Official 2007-08 NBA Thread

[Fran]

If Kobe goes to Chicago, he'll blow that team up.

Likewise with Phoenix and Dallas.

[L.A.]

old news!!!

[Ben Urich]

Of Course they are all contenders. Can anyone say Riding coat tails:whatever:

Um, why wouldn't he want to play for a contender? :huh:

If Kobe goes to Chicago, he'll blow that team up.

Likewise with Phoenix and Dallas.

I don't know. I think he could make Dallas pretty dangerous, even if they'd have to give up Dirk. At least Kobe comes through in the clutch, you know?

[DarthRekal]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=Roundtable-Kobe&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines

Kobe's shortlist is Phoenix, Dallas, and Chicago.
We not doing PHX
Dallas is Likely so is Chicago
Of Course they are all contenders. Can anyone say Riding coat tails:whatever:

zakly.. what a BEE OTCH!

I wish Stern would step in and tell Buss and Mamba to shut the **** up. If you're going to do something, then do it. Otherwise, keep quiet. Enough of this foolishness.

AMEN! :up:

[Ben Urich]

Why are you guys mad that Kobe wants to play for a contender? Who doesn't want to do that? Wanting to win doesn't make somebody a *****; it makes them a competitor, and that's what Kobe is.

If you're going to be mad at him, it should be because he made this mess public back in May and engendered all this endless speculation. But don't hold his desire to win against him.

[Jerry!]

I wish Stern would step in and tell Buss and Mamba to shut the **** up. If you're going to do something, then do it. Otherwise, keep quiet. Enough of this foolishness.

Well if you were paying attention recently, Buss was the one who really opened the can of worms and said that he would be listening for offers for a trade. Until that point, everything was just speculation, now its a reality. So blame Buss for this resurgence of Kobe trade talk.

[Mister J]

Why are you guys mad that Kobe wants to play for a contender? Who doesn't want to do that? Wanting to win doesn't make somebody a *****; it makes them a competitor, and that's what Kobe is.

If you're going to be mad at him, it should be because he made this mess public back in May and engendered all this endless speculation. But don't hold his desire to win against him.
Phoenix and Dallas are in championship contention without his coattail riding ass and Chicago has a good shot to come out of the East as it is. He wants to walk into a ready-made situation instead of shouldering the load and bringing a team to the top ...like he repeatedly said he wanted an opportunity to do while he was grinning that Shaq was leaving town. As big of an ass as he was when a part of one of the best runs in league history, I hope the bastard never has another opportunity at winning.

Well if you were paying attention recently, Buss was the one who really opened the can of worms and said that he would be listening for offers for a trade. Until that point, everything was just speculation, now its a reality. So blame Buss for this resurgence of Kobe trade talk.
What's your point? I think the part of my previous statement where I mentioned that 'Stern should tell Buss and Mamba to shut up' did attribute blame to Buss. :huh:

[Ghostvirus]

Why are you guys mad that Kobe wants to play for a contender? Who doesn't want to do that? Wanting to win doesn't make somebody a *****; it makes them a competitor, and that's what Kobe is.

If you're going to be mad at him, it should be because he made this mess public back in May and engendered all this endless speculation. But don't hold his desire to win against him.

I can't speak for everyone, but for me, the whole reason Kobe wanted Shaq out was so he could be the center of attention, & prove that he can win without Fu-Nasty.

Now he obviously realises that he can't, so he is going to go to an already great team, & take credit for what that team could've done on their own. It is pathetic, & sad.

It is like when Horace Grant left Chicago, because he was tired of being in the shadow of Jordan, & Pippen...But he went to Orlando with Shaq, & Penny.:huh:

Never did quite figure that one out.

Well if you were paying attention recently, Buss was the one who really opened the can of worms and said that he would be listening for offers for a trade. Until that point, everything was just speculation, now its a reality. So blame Buss for this resurgence of Kobe trade talk.

The whole reason there is even trade talk. Is because Kobe couldn't make up his damn mind about what to do. I bet money Kobe once again went to Buss. This time under the radar, & Buss has just snapped, & is tired of it.

I, & others have said it. Kobe is a virus, & I hope to god he doesn't have to go to any of those teams for some of you to realise it.

[DarthRekal]

I can't speak for everyone, but for me, the whole reason Kobe wanted Shaq out was so he could be the center of attention, & prove that he can win without Fu-Nasty.

Now he obviously realises that he can't, so he is going to go to an already great team, & take credit for what that team could've done on their own. It is pathetic, & sad.

It is like when Horace Grant left Chicago, because he was tired of being in the shadow of Jordan, & Pippen...But he went to Orlando with Shaq, & Penny.:huh:

Never did quite figure that one out.



The whole reason there is even trade talk. Is because Kobe couldn't make up his damn mind about what to do. I bet money Kobe once again went to Buss. This time under the radar, & Buss has just snapped, & is tired of it.

I, & others have said it. Kobe is a virus, & I hope to god he doesn't have to go to any of those teams for some of you to realise it.
THANK YOU!


why doesnt ANYONE

Listen to ME:huh:


i have been a Lakers fan since 1981

i have NEVER

NEVER

not liked a Lakers Player............. NEVER!

in fact it has been the opposite..


I hated Shaq BEFORE he was a Laker

I hated Malone before he was a Laker

I hated Rodman before he was a Laker



I loved Kobe and defended him to death
now that he is on an International team and "plays nice" with them
makes him more likeable???


EH EH!


homes Single Handedly turned our franchise into an embarrassment ..okay maybe not singelhandedly but his a HUGE deciding factor... now that little kid has made his mess he DOESNT wana pick it up.. instead he's going to go the "other room" and play???


what a little ******!:cmad:

[NewYorkSpider]

NewYorkSpider's NBA Finals Prediction

http://www.interobang.com/images/tickets/nba/boston_celtics.gifvshttp://www.interobang.com/images/tickets/nba/phoenix_suns.gif

07-08 Champs - Phoenix Suns

[Jerry!]

I don't care if the guy is an ******* or not, just help us win a championship. Skiles wouldn't let one player ruin everything, thats not the kind of coach he is. The thing is Kobe WANTS to play in Chicago. Its not like he would be going to Chicago and not be happy about it. I don't give a **** what he did or said about the Lakers, I just don't.

[DarthRekal]

I don't care if the guy is an ******* or not, just help us win a championship. Skiles wouldn't let one player ruin everything, thats not the kind of coach he is. The thing is Kobe WANTS to play in Chicago. Its not like he would be going to Chicago and not be happy about it. I don't give a **** what he did or said about the Lakers, I just don't.
yeah and he "WANTS" to be a Laker for life :whatever:


naivte(sp) its whats for dinner :up:

[DarthRekal]

NewYorkSpider's NBA Finals Prediction

http://www.interobang.com/images/tickets/nba/boston_celtics.gifvshttp://www.interobang.com/images/tickets/nba/phoenix_suns.gif

07-08 Champs - Phoenix Suns

cant see the pics... but NYS sorry bro you jinxed the BLUE

:cmad:

looks like the Suns arent winning this year :oldrazz:

[Fran]

Celtics? Really?

My pre-season predictions:
Conference Finals
Detroit vs. Boston
Phoenix vs. Dallas
NBA Finals
Detroit vs. Phoenix - Pistons in seven tough games.

[NewYorkSpider]

cant see the pics... but NYS sorry bro you jinxed the BLUE

:cmad:

looks like the Suns arent winning this year :oldrazz:

Celtics vs Suns. I should have picked the Spurs so they were jinxed.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

How come you can't see the pics, but fran can?:huh:

[Jerry!]

yeah and he "WANTS" to be a Laker for life :whatever:


naivte(sp) its whats for dinner :up:

I don't care about the Lakers. They aren't going anywhere. The Bulls have a chance to do something right now, giving up a player like Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas for Bryant isn't going to hurt them at all. Unless Gordon gets his head out of his ass and stops demanding $70 million, he isn't going to be with the Bulls anyway. The Bulls would be fools to give him that kind of money. The Bulls have the deepest team in the league, they can still trade away a few of their younger guys and still have a lot around Bryant to help him out, especially if they are able to keep Deng.

[DarthRekal]

Celtics vs Suns. I should have picked the Spurs so they were jinxed.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

How come you can't see the pics, but fran can?:huh:

firewalled at work maybe :huh: ... no im glad you picked the celts and suns...

I don't care about the Lakers. They aren't going anywhere. The Bulls have a chance to do something right now, giving up a player like Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas for Bryant isn't going to hurt them at all. Unless Gordon gets his head out of his ass and stops demanding $70 million, he isn't going to be with the Bulls anyway. The Bulls would be fools to give him that kind of money. The Bulls have the deepest team in the league, they can still trade away a few of their younger guys and still have a lot around Bryant to help him out, especially if they are able to keep Deng.
you arent really listening are you .. i DONT want you to care about the Lakers... MC doesnt care about the Lakers.. but he's a SMART cat ... he knows that Kobe isnt gonna go to your team and everythings gonna be roses....Kobe's gonna kill Capt Kirk's spirit... gonna clash with big ben cause he's not making his shots... everyone's gonna stand around and watch Kobe work.. i dont care if YOU THINK skiles wont let it happen.. if Kobe is bigger than Phil than he is Bigger than SKiles... Phil has 9 .. NINE effin rings and Kobe doesnt listen to him.. you dont think MAMBA isnt gonna respect someone with NONE???

wake up homey


edit: you NOT getting Mamba WITHOUT giving up Deng... bank on that.. this isnt going to be like the Shaq trade

[Jerry!]

Well Wallace wouldn't be on the team either if they do end up trading because he would have to be involved due to the contract of Bryant. Skiles has a different coaching style from Jackson. Rings have nothing to do with it. I don't think the trade is going to happen either, all I am saying is that its the Bulls best chance because they didn't pull the trigger on Gausol or Garnett. As is, the Bulls just can't beat a Western conference team in the Finals, they will probably have trouble just getting there.

[LastSunrise1981]

cant see the pics... but NYS sorry bro you jinxed the BLUE

:cmad:

looks like the Suns arent winning this year :oldrazz:

My predictions are

Dallas vs. Phoenix(WCF)- Dallas in 6 or 7 games.

Detroit vs. Boston/Chicago(ECF)- Detroit in 7 games.

Championship

Dallas vs. Detroit- Dallas in 6 games.

But this is the NBA and we all know that anything can and will happen in this league. As far as the Kobe news? I don't want Kobe on Dallas at all, nor do I want him mentioning Dallas. Kobe is a clutch player, but he's also a selfish player and person who will mess up team chemistry and keep teams from going to the next level. Dirk is a clutch player, it was his first championship and he didn't have the experience in going to the next level.

Leave Kobe where he's at. He made his bed, make him lay in it until he feels its time for him to retire.

[Jerry!]

Kobe is gone one way or another from LA after his contract is up in, what, two years? He isn't staying so throw that pipe dream out.

[DarthRekal]

GOOD!.. i'm ready for him to leave... i'd LOVE to see him in Dallas..


GIMME JOSH HOWARD and CREW! :up:

[Ben Urich]

GOOD!.. i'm ready for him to leave... i'd LOVE to see him in Dallas..


GIMME JOSH HOWARD and CREW! :up:

It'd be Dirk and filler. Dallas isn't giving up Josh Howard.

[DarthRekal]

It'd be Dirk and filler. Dallas isn't giving up Josh Howard.
i dont want DIRK:cmad:

damnit I want J Howard SON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... im taking my ball and going home :cmad:


Ok D Howard and Crew!!!!!!!!!! :up:

[Jerry!]

GOOD!.. i'm ready for him to leave... i'd LOVE to see him in Dallas..


GIMME JOSH HOWARD and CREW! :up:

No, see you're not paying attention again. If he isn't traded, he is gone in 2 years because his contract is up.

[DarthRekal]

No, see you're not paying attention again. If he isn't traded, he is gone in 2 years because his contract is up.
ummmm i know the situation... we are talkin about a TRADE situation :o


and HE WILL be traded... we not letting him go for nothing trust that... if not this year then BEFORE next year starts... my money is by the trade deadline :up:

and his contract isnt "up" he has an OUT clause

[Jerry!]

Well then you're looking at Chicago again as the most logical place both because they are in the Easter Conference and they have a lot of talent to trade with. They would trade him out of the conference before anywhere else.

[DarthRekal]

Well then you're looking at Chicago again as the most logically place. They would trade him out of the conference before anywhere else.


if Dallas puts a better package together he's going there

[Jerry!]

I think they would take a slightly less attractive package to trade him out of the Conference than trade him to Dallas or anyone in their own conference. Its just a mistake to do that, they have to make the best out this. And thats why Paxson has to stop being so delusional about his team.

[DarbyD53]

It'd be Dirk and filler. Dallas isn't giving up Josh Howard.

No way is Dirk getting traded. cuban wouldn't do it. If Kobe gets traded to Dallas (god I hope not) then it would be for Howard, Harris, someone else and a draft pick probably for kobe and some 2nd rounder.

I don't see it helping either team the next 2 years. If Dallas wins the title I want them to win it with what they have now or never win it. I don't want to buy a championship using some other teams best player. I'd rather lose in the first round again than let Kobe or anyone else get credit for a Mavs title

[Ghostvirus]

Patent if this Kobe thing goes down. I would like your address, because when Kobe eventually eats that team to nothing but the Kobe show. I want to come to your house, & beat you to death with a ball bat(this is being mostly jokey by the way)!

We are so close to having a great YOUNG team, & you just want to throw it all away for maybe...MAYBE instant gratification. That is complete BS.

By the way. I believe it was Phil Jackson who said Kobe is UnCoachable...UNCOACHABULL!!!

[Jerry!]

And they would still have a young team even after the trade. If you want to buy into all the hate Lakers fan have for him then fine, it doesn't matter in the long run because all I care about is winning. This is whats going to happen with the Bulls as is: they are going to continue to be a good team, they are going to play hard, play with a lot of heart, but in the end it doesn't make up for a lack of talent. They don't have that one guy they can depend on game in, game out. In their conference they look good, but against the Western Conference? Forget about it. Ben Gordon can play as hard as he wants to, it isn't going to make up for the fact that he is 5 -6 inches too small to play SG and his name isn't Allen Iverson.

They didn't get Garnett, they didn't get Gasol, Kobe is their best chance now. But Paxson most likely isn't going to try because he deludes himself by thinking the Bulls are the second coming of the Pistions from a few years ago. They aren't.

[Ghostvirus]

And they would still have a young team even after the trade. If you want to buy into all the hate Lakers fan have for him then fine, it doesn't matter in the long run because all I care about is winning. This is whats going to happen with the Bulls as is: they are going to continue to be a good team, they are going to play hard, play with a lot of heart, but in the end it doesn't make up for a lack of talent. They don't have that one guy they can depend on game in, game out. In their conference they look good, but against the Western Conference? Forget about it. Ben Gordon can play as hard as he wants to, it isn't going to make up for the fact that he is 5 -6 inches too small to play SG and his name isn't Allen Iverson.

They didn't get Garnett, they didn't get Gasol, Kobe is their best chance now.

I really don't know how to explain it any other way. Kobe will not benefit any team he is on. His ego is to huge. I do not want him any where near a Bulls uniform.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree, & I pray that neither of us will be able to prove the other wrong, because that would mean he would end up on the team.

[Jerry!]

In all likelihood he isn't going to be on the team because Paxson has fallen in love with his team. I'm sorry but Hinrich and Gordon do not= Billups and Rip. They just aren't as good. Kobe singlehandedly takes that Lakers team into the playoffs in the Western Conference. If Kobe can just listen to Skiles the Bulls can become the best team in the league with him. If he doesn't, they will still make the playoffs because its the Eastern Conference and then you can take your chances from there over how they finish. I'll take that over continuing to believe Gordon becomes "Air" Gordon after a few more years and Wallace will stop being a 60 million dollar disappointment and getting bounced in the first and second round of the playoffs year after year because of the same damn reason. I'll take the potential of being the best team in the NBA over whats going to only ever be a good but not good enough team in the NBA.

[LastSunrise1981]

In all likelihood he isn't going to be on the team because Paxson has fallen in love with his team. I'm sorry but Hinrich and Gordon do not= Billups and Rip. They just aren't as good. Kobe singlehandedly takes that Lakers team into the playoffs in the Western Conference. If Kobe can just listen to Skiles the Bulls can become the best team in the league with him. If he doesn't, they will still make the playoffs because its the Eastern Conference and then you can take your chances from there over how they finish. I'll take that over continuing to believe Gordon becomes "Air" Gordon after a few more years and Wallace will stop being a 60 million dollar disappointment and getting bounced in the first and second round of the playoffs year after year because of the same damn reason. I'll take the potential of being the best team in the NBA over whats going to only ever be a good but not good enough team in the NBA.

If Kobe isn't going to listen to a hall of fame coach with 9 championship rings, what makes you think he's going to listen to Skiles? There's no "If he can listen to Skiles", he simply won't do it because his ego won't allow him to do so.

I take that back, make it 10 rings. Phil also has a championship from when he played as well.

Even IF Kobe went to the Bulls, there's still no guarantee of them being the best team or getting close to a championship. Everyone thought the Lakers would win it all when they picked up Karl Malone and Gary Payton and we all know what happened at that time. Bottom line Kobe wouldn't help Chicago at all, if anything, he would hinder their progression into becoming a team of the future.

[Ghostvirus]

I gaurantee you this year the Bulls make it to the Conference Finals. I Gaurantee it.

Also keep in mind Billups, & Rip weren't considered great until they came to Detroit. Chemistry means more than you know. Ask the Rockies who are on there way to a world Series.

The Bulls have chemistry, & I believe they have the talent. They are just lacking with experience. Every year that goes by this team gets better, & at some point they will break lose. Once again Patience isn't just a really cool name for a stripper.

[Vindex]

I gaurantee you this year the Bulls make it to the Conference Finals. I Gaurantee it.

Also keep in mind Billups, & Rip weren't considered great until they came to Detroit. Chemistry means more than you know. Ask the Rockies who are on there way to a world Series.

The Bulls have chemistry, & I believe they have the talent. They are just lacking with experience. Every year that goes by this team gets better, & at some point they will break lose. Once again Patience isn't just a really cool name for a stripper.

The Bulls are good, but Eastern Conference Finals? Maybe but I wouldn't guarantee it.

[Ghostvirus]

But I am, so NAH NAH!:ninja:

[Fran]

The Bulls of old had to go through Detroit to get their shot.

Now it's happening again. Year two commences.

Third time's the charm. Next year.

[LastSunrise1981]

I definitely believe it's possible for Chicago to make it to the ECF. I mean, if Cleveland can make it, why can't Chicago? And we all can pretty much agree that Chicago is a much better team than Cleveland.

Chicago will continue to get even better with more experience. Granted, I was one of the few doubters who said they would lose to the Heat. Needless to say they swept the Heat and made a believer out of me. I hope we get a rivalry out of Chicago/Detroit like the old Bad Boy Detroit Days. Now that would make for some exciting, fun, and interesting basketball. :D

[Jerry!]

If they make to the Conf. Finals then great. But they cannot beat a Western Conf. team in a 7 game series. And what team of the future are you guys looking at? Again, Gordon isn't going to get his $70 million, Wallace isn't getting any better. They better break loose like THIS YEAR if you think they are all going to be sticking together for some kind of huge run. The Heat had literally half a Dwaye Wade playing against the Bulls. Lets not start bull****ting ourselves. I still think the Bulls probably would have won that series if he was healthy, but not in the way they did with him hurting.

[Fran]

Ben Wallace was a good short-term signing. But he'll end up being a waste of money in a year or two. His skills are slowly diminishing.

[LastSunrise1981]

If they make to the Conf. Finals then great. But they cannot beat a Western Conf. team in a 7 game series. And what team of the future are you guys looking at? Again, Gordon isn't going to get his $70 million, Wallace isn't getting any better. They better break loose like THIS YEAR if you think they are all going to be sticking together for some kind of huge run. The Heat had literally half a Dwaye Wade playing against the Bulls. Lets not start bull****ting ourselves. I still think the Bulls probably would have won that series if he was healthy, but not in the way they did with him hurting.

Who thought Miami would beat Dallas in a 7 Game series? I sure as hell didn't.

Sometimes all it takes is a team that's motivated, hungry, and firing on all cylinders for them to overcome a team that's written as being better than them. Is Chicago a great team? I believe so. I'm not saying they're the second coming of the Jordan Bulls, however, to simply dismiss them as a team who will get bounced continually is quite insane.

The Bulls will continue to get better defensively and if Ben worked on his offense they'd be even better. But he's gone this long without having any kind of effective offense, so it's not like he'll develop offense now or in the future.

But the Bulls chances of getting to the ECF are much greater than say Cleveland, New Jersey, and even Washington. This year it's going to come down to Chicago, Detroit, Miami, and Boston.

[Jerry!]

They are missing a piece of the puzzle that just about every championship caliber team has. That one player who you are scared of. The Bulls don't have that guy. Those other teams you mentioned, they do. Hell, Boston has 3 of them. Every great team in the West has one or more of that kind of player. Once the Bulls run into those kind of teams in a playoff series, they are done. Thats not being insane. 3 years ago it was Arenas, 2 years ago it was Shaq and Wade, last year it was the Pistons with Chauncey and Rip.

[DarthRekal]

They are missing a piece of the puzzle that just about every championship caliber team has. That one player who you are scared of. The Bulls don't have that guy. Those other teams you mentioned, they do. Hell, Boston has 3 of them. Every great team in the West has one or more of that kind of player. Once the Bulls run into those kind of teams in a playoff series, they are done.
agreed :up:

[Ben Urich]

I'd take the Bulls over the Cavs, even though the Bulls have no scary people and the Cavs have THE scary person. :o

[Jerry!]

I might. Thats a big MAYBE though. It frustrates me because I love watching the Bulls, they are an exciting team to watch and they really make me want to believe. But whenever I step back for a second and look at it realistically and stop being a fan, I just don't see it.

[DarthRekal]

I'd take the Bulls over the Cavs, even though the Bulls have no scary people and the Cavs have THE scary person. :o
MAmba is THEE Sacriest:o

[Mister J]

While we're on the topic of the Deadly Viper and a possible new address...
Where Will Mamba Land? (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2007/10/14/2007-10-14_knicks_nowhere_near_landing_kobe_bryant.html)
Chicago is in a win-now mode with Ben Wallace slowing down and is said to be willing to break up its team for the kind of dynamic player they have not had since Michael Jordan. But as of now, the Bulls won't put Luol Deng in any deal, sources say. Still, they can offer Ben Gordon, Andres Nocioni, Tyrus Thomas and their No. 1 pick last June, Joakim Noah. That would allow the Bulls to put Bryant on the floor with Deng, Kirk Hinrich, Ben Wallace and Joe Smith.

"That team could win the East and get to the Finals,'' said the Eastern Conference executive.

What would it take? The Mavs have interest but won't deal reigning MVP Dirk Nowitzki. And they're in the West. End of story, as far as Dallas is concerned.

Mamba Deal Isn't Imminent (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/jackson/602327,CST-SPT-jax14a.article)
Despite Buss' assertion, the chances of Bryant being traded before the start of the regular season are virtually zero. It's doubtful any team would be willing to put together a package that would grab Buss' interest at this stage.

If he's dealt, Bryant, 29 and entering his 12th NBA season, wants to go to a team that's already a contender, and he has made it known that the Bulls and Dallas Mavericks are at the top of his wish list. Both teams are capable of putting together attractive packages, but the Bulls would seem to be in better position because their roster is younger.

Still, the Bulls' youth also will make it more difficult to put together a deal that works under the provisions of the NBA salary cap. Because the Bulls and Lakers are over the salary cap, the salaries of the players going back and forth between the teams must be within 25 percent. Bryant will make about $19.5 million this season, so it will take at least three or four of the Bulls' young players to get within 25 percent of that total.

A package of Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas and Chris Duhon might be a good starting point, but the salaries of those players are only about a little more than $11 million.

If Bryant is traded -- and that's still a big ''if'' because he can't opt out of his contract until after the 2008-09 season -- the more likely time will be right before the trading deadline in February.


Forget Plan A. Go Get Mamba (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/mariotti/602299,CST-SPT-jay14.article)
Kobe Bryant is available. And he wants to come to Chicago.

Go get him, boy.

The Bulls want us to believe they're on an incremental journey toward an NBA title. Hate to break the news, but they're not. They are what they are, a feisty team with an old-school coach, a budding All-Star in Deng, a continuing project in Ty Thomas, a $60 million disappointment in Wallace, a lot of hustlers and bangers and two small guards who sometimes make their jumpers and often miss them. That's all very nice -- but not very exhilarating in the shadow of title banners and Grant Park parties.
''If he's still in that frame of mind,'' Buss said of his sulking superstar, ''then hopefully we can do a sign-and-trade and get some comparable talent.''

That needs no translation. It's just a matter of whether Paxson wants to do it his way -- old-school T-E-A-M -- or the quick-grab, razzmatazz, Kobe way. What ol' Johnny Jumpshot needs to understand is that the big picture is about more than basketball; it's about buzz, sizzle, show business.

So get a Bulls uniform, fellas. That'd be No. 24, or 23 plus one.
The sentiments of Jay Mariotti and Jerry sound eerily similar. This is just freaky. I don't know if I can ever watch Around the Horn the same way now. :trans:

[Jerry!]

Well its true. They aren't in the beginning of a dynasty.

[Ghostvirus]

Fine I give up lets get Kobe. Lets be a shooting star. Instead of a rising star. Very few believe in the Bulls. I am one of them, but sadly I don't have the power to do anything. I suppose it is inevitable the Black Mamba is coming, & he will kill everything that Paxson has worked for.

Let The Fun Begin...woohoo.
:csad:
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[Jerry!]

There is no payoff with this Bulls team as is. Thats what I'm trying to explain to you. All they are is a playoff contender at best, not championship material. Paxson has done a lot of good, he has pulled the franchise out of the gutter, its just time to take the next step. Because if he doesn't all the Bulls will be is a team that had the potential and just never realized it. They are literally one player away.

[Ghostvirus]

Whatever, we disagree. I agree that we might be a player away. I don't know we added some new guys. Maybe they will fill some spots, & Tyrus was looking mighty fine near the end of last season so you never know.

On my end I do know this. If we are still one player away from winning. That player isn't Kobe.

[DarthRekal]

Gordon Noch Thomas and Noah :o


jeez..:csad:

[Ben Urich]

I put up a poll on my website asking if the Magic should trade for Kobe.
One person said yes, even if it involves losing Dwight. :csad::huh::cmad::down

[L.A.]

Im going to the Clippers/Lakers double header this sunday at the staples center:up:

[Ben Urich]

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1209/kobemagic2bo3dt4.jpg

No! :cmad: :down

[LastSunrise1981]

I don't want to see Kobe anywhere else but the Lakers. He wanted the spotlight, he wanted Shaq out of town, and once he received all of his wishes he is now seeing he can't do it all. So he wants to go to a team that's already set for contention or for a championship so he can take all the glory.

I say **** that and leave him where he is for the next two years.

Kobe is too selfish and stupid to understand basketball. Yes, he has three championship rings, but he fails to realize that in order for him to reach greatness he has to make his team better. He is the reason why they LOST to Phoenix when they had them down 3-1. His ego is too big for him to realize and understand that when he relates to his team by passing, taking less shots, and penetrating the middle in order to create shots for his teammates they get better. That's one of the reasons why they went up 3-1 against Phoenix.

But no, he wants to take all the shots, he wants to be like Mike, he wants to be the center of attention with his drama queen antics.

[cookiva]

Keep him in LA. Dont let him destroy another team....

[DarthRekal]

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1209/kobemagic2bo3dt4.jpg

No! :cmad: :down
do one with D Howard in a Lakers jersey :up:

[Ben Urich]

Gilbert Arenas likes grandma panties. (http://kevinbroom.wordpress.com/2007/10/16/gilbert-arenas-wants-your-grandmas-panties/) Seriously, guys. This is a funny story. :woot:

do one with D Howard in a Lakers jersey :up:

1. I didn't make that one.
2. No. :cmad:

[Jerry!]

I don't want to see Kobe anywhere else but the Lakers. He wanted the spotlight, he wanted Shaq out of town, and once he received all of his wishes he is now seeing he can't do it all. So he wants to go to a team that's already set for contention or for a championship so he can take all the glory.

I say **** that and leave him where he is for the next two years.

Kobe is too selfish and stupid to understand basketball. Yes, he has three championship rings, but he fails to realize that in order for him to reach greatness he has to make his team better. He is the reason why they LOST to Phoenix when they had them down 3-1. His ego is too big for him to realize and understand that when he relates to his team by passing, taking less shots, and penetrating the middle in order to create shots for his teammates they get better. That's one of the reasons why they went up 3-1 against Phoenix.

But no, he wants to take all the shots, he wants to be like Mike, he wants to be the center of attention with his drama queen antics.

So leave him where he is for the next two years, he opts out of his contract and the Lakers get nothing out of this. Wonderful. I'm sure they would love you as GM.

[Ben Urich]

Good item explaining how the Kobe rumors affect Ben Gordon's pending contract extension here (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/10/16/kobes-impact-on-ben-gordons-contract/).

[Jerry!]

Yeah, I didn't know about that. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.

[DarthRekal]

talks are heating up.. get ready PP he's coming your way... you are gettin your WISH :up: :woot:

sadly we will end up gettin screwed since deng isnt coming back..

the Lakers are gonna suck for a while.. but at least i wont have to be ASHAMED of them:csad: :cmad:

[LastSunrise1981]

So leave him where he is for the next two years, he opts out of his contract and the Lakers get nothing out of this. Wonderful. I'm sure they would love you as GM.

Leave him where he is to teach him a lesson. He wanted to whine, cry, and complain about not getting enough touches and not being the center of attention.

I'm quite sure they wouldn't love me as a GM. All I'm doing is offering my basketball knowledge to the debate. Not saying I'm an expert, not saying I have all the answers. All I'm saying is Kobe brought this on himself and him going to another team is not going to help that other team. If anything it's going to hinder that team from succeeding.

I said it once and I'll say it again. If a coach who has ten championship rings can't get through to him, what makes you or anyone else think another coach will put some sense into him? Kobe is all about Kobe.

[Jerry!]

Thats not a solution, that just makes the situation worse for the Lakers. Why would they care if Kobe hinders the other team, they obviously want him out. Keeping Kobe for the next two years to "teach him a lesson" isn't really evident of good basketball knowledge. Trade him, get young talent back, start over. Keeping Kobe around hinders your entire organization and slows that process down. They don't get as high a draft pick and the situation when he does opt out puts the Lakers a few more years back than they would have if they traded him.

Skiles has a different coaching style than Jackson. One that Kobe may respond better to. But heres the bottom line in all this. Worst case scenario, Kobe traded to the Bulls and doesn't like Skiles, wants it all to be about him, doesn't want to play team basketball. The Bulls still make the playoffs because they are in the Eastern Conference. Kobe has been carrying that Lakers "team" to the playoffs the past few years on his back in the superior Western Conference, don't try and tell me he wouldn't be able to do it in the Eastern Conf. Can Bryant carry them to the Finals through the Eastern Conference playoffs? Maybe. He got close against teams like the Suns in the West, in the East you got teams like the Wizards and Cavs making the playoffs. Thats worst case scenario.

[Fran]

I'd laugh if Joe Dumars came outta nowhere and got Kobe. :o

[DarthRekal]

KObe just denied clearing out his locker and said
he's ready to "strap it up, it's up to management"



jeez these ppl are stupid i hate these games

[Ben Urich]

I'd laugh if Joe Dumars came outta nowhere and got Kobe. :o

Like this? (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110~294~530~1777&teams=8~13~13~13&te=&cash=)

[The Riddler]

kobe for t-mac, luther head, and 2 first round draft picks.

get it done!

[Ben Urich]

David Thorpe breaks down the ROY race.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=thorpe_david&page=RookieWatch-071016&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dthorpe_ david%26page%3dRookieWatch-071016%26campaign%3drss%26source%3dNBAHeadlines

You'll never guess who's number one. :huh::o

[The Riddler]

scola looms. :o

[Fran]

Like this? (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110%7E294%7E530%7E1777&teams=8%7E13%7E13%7E13&te=&cash=)

That's a possibility.

I've heard AM radio around here talking about it. Like it's possible. :huh:

[Ben Urich]

Who's getting up early for the Magic/Cavaliers game tomorrow morning? :huh::woot:

:o

[Fran]

...Morning game?

[Ghostvirus]

talks are heating up.. get ready PP he's coming your way... you are gettin your WISH :up: :woot:

sadly we will end up gettin screwed since deng isnt coming back..

the Lakers are gonna suck for a while.. but at least i wont have to be ASHAMED of them:csad: :cmad:


Give it to me straight how close is this deal? What are your sources of info? What players are being talked about, being moved for Kobe?

Edit: You know what. It just dawned on me that I have all summer, told Mister J, Big Ben Urich, & various others to take a wait, & see approach about Penny, & Smushtastic.

Yet I am not following my own talk. I suppose I should keep an open mind about Kobe moving, & just hope against hope that he doesn't pull the same sh** he has in L.A. Like I have said numerous times. Some players just fit in better on certain teams. Maybe since Kobe wants to be like Mike. Da Bulls is where he will shine, because he is finally where he wants to be who knows.

As it stands right now I am going to take a wait, & see approach. I am still extremely apprehensive about this, but who knows.

[Fran]

I'd take giving up Rip, Dice and Flip for Kobe.

It'll never happen, but talks are heating up around here as well. :huh:

[Ghostvirus]

LOL. Trade a coach for Kobe. You crazy Farmer. You crazy..

[Fran]

No. Flip Murray.

:dry:

[Ghostvirus]

Oh.:dry:





You still crazy though.:o

[Fran]

Joe makes moves unannounced... like the Larry Brown hiring.

[Jerry!]

Bulls destroying Wiz Kids 72-50 in 3rd.

[Ben Urich]

...Morning game?

It's in China. :huh:

[Fran]

...China?

[Ben Urich]

...China?

http://www.nba.com/media/germany/chinagame07_hd1.jpg

The Magic play the Cavaliers twice and the Chinese national team once. :o

[Ghostvirus]

Apparently Kobe is denying leaving, but yet is sitting out Practice.:huh::whatever:
WTF? (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7338994?MSNHPHMA)

[Ben Urich]

Apparently Kobe is denying leaving, but yet is sitting out Practice.:huh::whatever:
WTF? (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7338994?MSNHPHMA)

He's sore. :huh:

[Ghostvirus]

Right...he's sore.:whatever:

[Ben Urich]

Right...he's sore.:whatever:

UGH

We debated via email today whether to even bother posting about more unsubstantiated Kobe rumors, but ultimately decided that hey, if this many things are swirling around there may actually be something worth posting. As it turns out, (check the update) there wasn't. Kobe sat out of practice for the last three days, cleaned out (literally, as in reorganized) his locker, and all of a sudden that means he's been traded?! Come on people, you're reaching. Here's Kobe himself putting up with these preposterous assumptions from the media.

From FanHouse (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/10/16/kobe-responds-to-ridiculous-trade-rumors/).

I'd include "fans" in the last sentence.

L.A. Times: Kobe has a sore knee. (http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakerep16oct16,0,4019882.story?coll=la-home-center)

[Ghostvirus]

What ever, I still say he is just being a wuss.:o

[Ben Urich]

What ever, I still say he is just being a wuss.:o

Would you say the same thing about Steve Nash if he sat out of practice? Or about LeBron James?

[Ghostvirus]

No, but that is because I am biased. I like Nash, & Lebron is bretty cool.

[The Dark Knight]

lebron is a choker and nash is canadian.

i win.

[Ghostvirus]

I wasn't aware you were playing.

Lebron choked himself all the way to an NBA finals appearance. Not to shabby.

Nash. Nuttin wrong the Canadians.

[The Dark Knight]

I wasn't aware you were playing.

Lebron choked himself all the way to an NBA finals appearance. Not to shabby.

Nash. Nuttin wrong the Canadians.
'twas a joke.

but seriously, lebron is a bit of a choker.

[Jerry!]

Nah.

[Ghostvirus]

I don't think he is a choker. He just hasn't fully developed his game yet. I think people forget that great series he had again the Wizards in '06. He was quite clutch then.

He just needs to mature.

[LastSunrise1981]

'twas a joke.

but seriously, lebron is a bit of a choker.

He's not a choker at all. He exceeded expectations in the playoffs and to be in the championships at his age is a lot of pressure. If he was a choker they wouldn't have made it to the championships.

[Immortalfire]

Atlanta is getting a WNBA team.. http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/hawks/stories/2007/10/16/wnba_1017.html


Oh joy.

[DarbyD53]

Atlanta is getting a WNBA team.. http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/hawks/stories/2007/10/16/wnba_1017.html


Oh joy.


I wonder who will get it in 5 years when it is forced to move due to 12 people showing up? That's not a game, thats 12 people for the season

[Ben Urich]

Dwight Howard drops 31 and 14 on the Cavaliers and the Magic come back to win, 90-86. :up::up::up:

Jameer Nelson is deadly. :huh:

[Immortalfire]

I wonder who will get it in 5 years when it is forced to move due to 12 people showing up? That's not a game, thats 12 people for the season

Suggestions for team names from AJC blogs..

Matt: The Atlanta Empty-seaters, because that's what the arena will look like.

Mike N.: The Atlanta Wings, paying homage to the world's busiest airport.

Doc Hollidawg: How about the Atlanta Peaches.

BuzzedinGwinnett: Name the team the Atlanta Foldintwoyears.

David: Something truly associated with the metro. The ATLANTA TRAFFIC JAM.

NASCARfan: The only name that makes any sense, and is ironic in its historical hilarity, is the Atlanta Blaze.

Wilson: In keeping with the rest of Atlanta sports, we should call the new team the Mediocrity.

Dee: The Dirty Birds!

Wealthy People Make Bad Decisions: The Chapter 11's.

JAR: The Atlanta Belles.

Ebenezer: The Atlanta Scarletts (oh, let's think about this tomorrow).

FALCON CREST: I thought Atlanta already had a professional women's basketball team ... the Atlanta Hawks.

[LastSunrise1981]

Wish I could've seen the Dallas/Sacramento Pre-Season game. From what I read they played like it was a regular season/playoff game rather than a pre-season exhibition.

Terry won it with a clutch three in the fourth quarter, with Dirk scoring 23 points. Josh Howard got ejected after having a confrontation with Miller during the game.

Wish the regular season would start already so I can see how they look on the court.

[cookiva]

Miller cheapshoted Devin Harris though....

[Ben Urich]

It was an accidental shot, too. He was trying to yell at one of his teammates, I forget who, and Devin Harris walked in front of him. Josh Howard came out of nowhere and shoved Miller in the neck or something, and now he might get suspended for a game or two. :huh:

[Ghostvirus]

I was watching 1st & 10, & they were talking about Kobe being traded to Cleveland for Lebron straight up. The guy on the right (the white guy). Said that it would be a great deal for Cleveland, & he went on to say that Lebron is basically heavily overrrated.:huh:

Is this guy a moron?

[Jerry!]

Thats Skip Bayless and yes he is a moron. Thats his whole act.

[Mister J]

I didn't see it, but that sounds like Skip Bayless. If so, then unequivocally yes, he is a ****ing moron.

From what I've heard Avery was proud that Howard went upside Miller's head. Dallas doesn't need to go all War Games at every opportunity, but they definitely need to carry some fire like that. During that Golden State series, everyone not named Stackhouse (or occasionally, Howard) just looked scared. There wasn't enough passion when GS got up in their faces.

[Ghostvirus]

Whats going on with Dallas?

[DarthRekal]

Whats going on with Dallas?
they gettin ready to trade... :woot:

[Ben Urich]

I didn't see it, but that sounds like Skip Bayless. If so, then unequivocally yes, he is a ****ing moron.

From what I've heard Avery was proud that Howard went upside Miller's head. Dallas doesn't need to go all War Games at every opportunity, but they definitely need to carry some fire like that. During that Golden State series, everyone not named Stackhouse (or occasionally, Howard) just looked scared. There wasn't enough passion when GS got up in their faces.

Maurice Ager and Austin Croshere played aggressively. :huh: Hell, they had more fire than Dirk did. :wow::o

[Mister J]

Maurice Ager and Austin Croshere played aggressively. :huh: Hell, they had more fire than Dirk did. :wow::o
There lies the problem. Those aren't the guys who should be leading the way emotionally when your squad is trying to push toward a title.

Any comment I threw at Dirk would just be piling on. Too easy.

[DarthRekal]

cmon Cuban you dont want Dirk... swap us for KOBE :woot:

[Mister J]

If Dallas trades for the Viper and doesn't include Dirk, I'll call the league office myself.

[Ben Urich]

There lies the problem. Those aren't the guys who should be leading the way emotionally when your squad is trying to push toward a title.

Any comment I threw at Dirk would just be piling on. Too easy.

Still, it was nice to see the little-used guys make the most of their minutes. I was rooting for Austin. He gave Shaq what-for in the 2000 Finals. :csad::up:

[Jerry!]

If Dallas trades for the Viper and doesn't include Dirk, I'll call the league office myself.

I don't see why the Lakers would trade a player like Kobe Bryant to a team in the West. I'd think that if the Bulls put together a slightly less attractive deal for Kobe, they would go that route because its the East. Trading the best player in the NBA within your own conference has the potential to bite you in the ass later on.

[Mister J]

It doesn't make any sense to deal him anywhere but the East. I don't know why Dallas keeps being mentioned as the 'rumored destination' right now. The Mavs were rumored as being on the short list for Shaq as well and Kupchak just about refused to deal him there. I don't put too much stock into the reports about Dallas, or Phoenix for that matter.

[Fran]

Come on Joe D. COME ON! :cmad:

[Jerry!]

And at the same time I really can't put much stock in having the Bulls as the front runner either, because it would be totally out of character for Paxson. Unless he had a change of heart suddenly.

[Ben Urich]

I think I read somewhere that Mark Cuban is tight with the Buss family, or something. :huh:

If the Lakers deal Kobe, they might as well deal Odom separately and officially enter the O.J. Mayo Sweepstakes. :o

[Fran]

I'm curious as if Drew Neitzel would be in the draft next year.

Well, moreso which team he'd go to.

[Ben Urich]

Clippers, Sonics, Blazers, 76ers.....Kings.....

[Fran]

So he's a first-round pick, top 10 maybe?

[Ben Urich]

I actually have no idea. I just listed some crappy teams. Forgot to mention the T-Wolves somehow. :huh:

[LegendaryCaleb]

I'm curious as if Drew Neitzel would be in the draft next year.

Well, moreso which team he'd go to.
i think neitzel is a first round pick fo sho...maybe top 15 if he plays full potential


what you guys think of this?
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/rankings?&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fhollinger%2frankings

i think Yao being 1 is pure bull****

[Ben Urich]

i think neitzel is a first round pick fo sho...maybe top 15 if he plays full potential


what you guys think of this?
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/rankings?&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fhollinger%2frankings

i think Yao being 1 is pure bull****

I like Hollinger a lot. PER is a great statistic, and I think he's on-the-money on Yao. He was having an MVP-caliber season before screwing up his knee. Although, as someone pointed out in Simmons' mailbag yesterday, Paul Millsap is projected to have a higher PER than Jason Kidd, so..... :o

[DarthRekal]

If the Lakers deal Kobe, they might as well deal Odom separately and officially enter the O.J. Mayo Sweepstakes. :o
Now you're thinking like a TRUE Lakers Fan :up:

[Ben Urich]

Now you're thinking like a TRUE Lakers Fan :up:

It doesn't make any sense to keep Lamar around if you're going to trade Kobe. I mean, what, are you going to build a team around the guy? :huh:

The Lakers' best move at this point is not to deal Kobe, but to make him happy. The goal should always be to win now, which is why he's so pissed-off. The FO told him that the Lakers were trying to contend now, but they told Phil they were building for the future.

It appalls me that they didn't pull the trigger on the Bynum-for-Kidd deal. Okay, it wouldn't have turned them into instant contenders, but that's a Hall-of-Fame backcourt. You're telling me you'd rather hang onto a project center who is 3-4 years away from being dangerous than deal for one of the best playmakers in the history of basketball at the height of his prime? And you already have arguably the best two-guard not named Michael Jordan?!?!

Now that the Kidd deal is gone, the Lakers need to get back in touch with Indy about Jermaine O'Neal. Dude struggled last year, but that's because he's expected to lead that team. He's not good enough to do that anymore, but he's a solid contributer on a championship-caliber team... moreso than Odom, anyway. Get him down there, keep Kobe, let Luke Walton log some minutes... that's not a bad team, even in the West, probably a 5- or 6-seed who nobody would want to play in the first round.

[NewYorkSpider]

I'm glad they're replaying the Cavs/Magic game right now. There is nothing on TV.

[Ben Urich]

I'm glad they're replaying the Cavs/Magic game right now. There is nothing on TV.

J.J. Redick only hits one shot [SPOILER ALERT!!1], but it's a beauty. It's in the first quarter. Just astounding. :wow:

[NewYorkSpider]

J.J. Redick only hits one shot [SPOILER ALERT!!1], but it's a beauty. It's in the first quarter. Just astounding. :wow:

Just saw it. Not bad.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[DarthRekal]

It doesn't make any sense to keep Lamar around if you're going to trade Kobe. I mean, what, are you going to build a team around the guy? :huh:

The Lakers' best move at this point is not to deal Kobe, but to make him happy. The goal should always be to win now, which is why he's so pissed-off. The FO told him that the Lakers were trying to contend now, but they told Phil they were building for the future.

It appalls me that they didn't pull the trigger on the Bynum-for-Kidd deal. Okay, it wouldn't have turned them into instant contenders, but that's a Hall-of-Fame backcourt. You're telling me you'd rather hang onto a project center who is 3-4 years away from being dangerous than deal for one of the best playmakers in the history of basketball at the height of his prime? And you already have arguably the best two-guard not named Michael Jordan?!?!

Now that the Kidd deal is gone, the Lakers need to get back in touch with Indy about Jermaine O'Neal. Dude struggled last year, but that's because he's expected to lead that team. He's not good enough to do that anymore, but he's a solid contributer on a championship-caliber team... moreso than Odom, anyway. Get him down there, keep Kobe, let Luke Walton log some minutes... that's not a bad team, even in the West, probably a 5- or 6-seed who nobody would want to play in the first round.
You a smart cat Ben..

thats what i been saying all along..

Got a Gazillion dollars???? wana buy the Lakers:huh:

[Ben Urich]

Just saw it. Not bad.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

Yeah... too bad he stunk up the joint for 33 minutes....

You a smart cat Ben..

thats what i been saying all along..

:word:

Got a Gazillion dollars???? wana buy the Lakers:huh:

I'll pass.

Go Magic! :huh:

[Fran]

Who's J.J. Redick?

:finalfourring:

[mwrfan]

just outta curiousity what do ppl think about this?

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/052907dnspotaylor.2a77db3.html

as a mavs fan i would be ticked cuz this is one of the most uneven trades in the long run in my mind but i was just wondering if anybody else had heard about this

[Ben Urich]

just outta curiousity what do ppl think about this?

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/052907dnspotaylor.2a77db3.html

as a mavs fan i would be ticked cuz this is one of the most uneven trades in the long run in my mind but i was just wondering if anybody else had heard about this

If that offer is on the table, the Mavs have to take it.

EDIT: But it isn't on the table, and I wish this Kobe **** would just STOP. :down

[mwrfan]

If that offer is on the table, the Mavs have to take it.

EDIT: But it isn't on the table, and I wish this Kobe **** would just STOP. :down

and why? kobe is all hype..dirk is a way better team leader and a better all around player im sure dirks points per game would be equal to kobes if he shot 50 shots a game to.

[LegendaryCaleb]

If that offer is on the table, the Mavs have to take it.

EDIT: But it isn't on the table, and I wish this Kobe **** would just STOP. :down
I wouldnt take that offer...The ball wouldnt get to anyone elses hands on our team

there would be an upside.....Merchandise Sales:o

[Ben Urich]

and why? kobe is all hype..dirk is a way better team leader and a better all around player im sure dirks points per game would be equal to kobes if he shot 50 shots a game to.

Kobe is one of the top 10 greatest players of all-time. Were it not for Michael, he would be regarded as the best two-guard to ever play the game. Oh, and he's in his prime.

Dirk? Yeah, not so much with the all-time greatness.

Yeah, Kobe's a jerk and a loathsome person, but he's also ten-times the player Dirk is, and he actually has balls. He doesn't choke away leads like the Dirk-"lead" Mavericks have.

[LegendaryCaleb]

Where have the Lakers been without Shaq?....
Kobe could be the greatest player of all time and i wouldnt want him cuz i dont think he can lead the team any further than Dirk has

[mwrfan]

Kobe is one of the top 10 greatest players of all-time. Were it not for Michael, he would be regarded as the best two-guard to ever play the game. Oh, and he's in his prime.

Dirk? Yeah, not so much with the all-time greatness.

Yeah, Kobe's a jerk and a loathsome person, but he's also ten-times the player Dirk is, and he actually has balls. He doesn't choke away leads like the Dirk-"lead" Mavericks have.

kobe as one of the top 10 players of all time? in my opinion hes not even close i mean dont get me wrong im not a homer or anything cuz in my opinion dirks not even close either but kobe being compared to mj is a big joke to me, atleast michael jordan won championships by himself. kobe rode shaqs coat tail to 3 rings kobe is a good player but i think the mavs are built around nowitzki and nowitzki is the better all around player but my question is how can u say kobes a better player when hes never won an mvp (that shows somethnig right there), and the reason kobe hasnt blown leads is because since shaq left he hasnt had a lead to blow oh wait except that playoff series 2 years ago against the suns...remember that?

[Ghostvirus]

If that offer is on the table, the Mavs have to take it.

EDIT: But it isn't on the table, and I wish this Kobe **** would just STOP. :down

Agreed with the last part. Either do something with this sack of sh**, or shut the hell up. I have a bad feeling this is going to drag out until February.:whatever:

[NewYorkSpider]

kobe as one of the top 10 players of all time? in my opinion hes not even close i mean dont get me wrong im not a homer or anything cuz in my opinion dirks not even close either but kobe being compared to mj is a big joke to me, atleast michael jordan won championships by himself. kobe rode shaqs coat tail to 3 rings kobe is a good player but i think the mavs are built around nowitzki and nowitzki is the better all around player but my question is how can u say kobes a better player when hes never won an mvp (that shows somethnig right there), and the reason kobe ahsnt blown leads is because since shaq left he hasnt had a lead to blow oh wait except that playoff series 2 years ago against the suns...remember that?


Scottie Pippen? Dennis Rodman? They were a big part in those championships that were won. Jordan may have been the best to play the game, but he had help. Same goes with Kobe and Shaq. They both were big contributors to their team and thats why they had the 3-peat. If Dirk is such a better team leader than Kobe, why didn't the Mavs win Championships with Nowitzki and Nash?

[mwrfan]

Scottie Pippen? Dennis Rodman? They were a big part in those championships that were won. Jordan may have been the best to play the game, but he had help. Same goes with Kobe and Shaq. They both were big contributors to their team and thats why they had the 3-peat. If Dirk is such a better team leader than Kobe, why didn't the Mavs win Championships with Nowitzki and Nash?

well the thing that leads me to believe that shaq was the reason kobe won championships is because after they seperated who won another ring? and whos the won thats barely took his team into the playoffs? and also the reasons why nash and dirk didnt win championships together is because nash cant play defense what so ever and only excels when hes in a fast pace offense like the suns, and another reason is because don nelson was the coach defense wins championships and there was no defense being taught underneath him.

[Jerry!]

Shaq won another ring...with DWAYNE WADE!! How can you possibly overlook that? And they played in the Eastern Conference, Kobe is in the West practically by himself taking the Lakers to the playoffs. jesus.

[NewYorkSpider]

well the thing that leads me to believe that shaq was the reason kobe won championships is because after they seperated who won another ring? and whos the won thats barely took his team into the playoffs? and also the reasons why nash and dirk didnt win championships together is because nash cant play defense what so ever and only excels when hes in a fast pace offense like the suns, and another reason is because don nelson was the coach defense wins championships and there was no defense being taught underneath him.

Have you heard of Dwyane Wade? He was the 2006 NBA Finals MVP. Shaq is a tremendous athlete and an outstanding player, but he didn't win those championships on his own. The 04-05 season with the Lakers was a let down due to the fact they lost Phil Jackson and I believe they had 2 head coaches during the season. When you don't have very good talent on your team and have changes like that, you aren't going to win very many games. It also looked like Don Nelson's #8 seed Golden State Warriors beat the #1 Seed Dallas Mavericks in the first round of last years playoffs.:cwink:

[Jerry!]

I hate when a new page starts after I respond.

[Steve Rogers]

How 'bout them Knicks?

[Ben Urich]

How 'bout them Knicks?

Yeah, getting blown out by 40 against Boston. :up:

[Steve Rogers]

Pierce had 22 :up:

[Ben Urich]

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/d98ece65-c017-49b4-a91f-56e8ecca5186.jpg
The Knicks? _______, please.

[Steve Rogers]

LOL, nice :up:

[mwrfan]

Have you heard of Dwyane Wade? He was the 2006 NBA Finals MVP. Shaq is a tremendous athlete and an outstanding player, but he didn't win those championships on his own. The 04-05 season with the Lakers was a let down due to the fact they lost Phil Jackson and I believe they had 2 head coaches during the season. When you don't have very good talent on your team and have changes like that, you aren't going to win very many games. It also looked like Don Nelson's #8 seed Golden State Warriors beat the #1 Seed Dallas Mavericks in the first round of last years playoffs.:cwink:

yea i heard of dwayne wade who obviously slipped the officials some money that series with all the free throws he got to take lol yea obviously cant talk there since they beat my team. as far as last years playoff series with golden state that was painful to watch but i dont think that it was dirks fault it was the teams fault for taking golden state lightly but the manin point im getting trying to get across is how can anyone say that the mavericks would have a better shot with kobe in the line up than dirk in aver johnsons system?

[DarbyD53]

Kobe never chokes games away? Look and see what he did in game seven vs Suns two years ago. Then go look to see what Dirk did game seven against the Spurs at the Spurs.

But truthfully the trade would get either team no where. Other than Lakers wouldn't have to listen to some baby whin about winning, but the Mavs wouldnt win 67 or 62 games with Kobe and they'd be put out by the Suns or Spurs, so then he'd be wanting to be traded again.

I don't think Kobe would aprove a trade to Dallas if Dirk was part of the deal. It sort of defeats the point. If the Lakers were smart they'd trade Kobe for maybe one semi all-star player (like a Rip but not him) and expiring contracts and go after Brand next year or Gilbert when he opts out.

Did Dirk underplay in the playoffs last year? Yes. But his stats did not fall off as much as Terry's did, or Howard's, plus they were not being doubled and tripled team on almost every touch.

When you trade for Kobe, all you are trading for is a headache.

So thats why I believe Adam Morrison is the answer to all our problems.

[LastSunrise1981]

Scottie Pippen? Dennis Rodman? They were a big part in those championships that were won. Jordan may have been the best to play the game, but he had help. Same goes with Kobe and Shaq. They both were big contributors to their team and thats why they had the 3-peat. If Dirk is such a better team leader than Kobe, why didn't the Mavs win Championships with Nowitzki and Nash?

Because during the Nash, Finley, and Nowitzki time they were focused more on offense than defense. Dirk led his team to the championships and while they lost, he provided a lot of clutch moments.

Remember when Dallas beat the Kings in a 7 Game series? They made it to the WCF to face the Spurs and that's when Dirk got hurt. Had Dallas had Dirk during the series they would've won for sure and won the championship against the Nets. However, with that said, there's no such thing as "almost" or "close" in the NBA, you either win or you lose.

Nowitzki and Kobe haven't really proved that they're strong leaders. But in terms of helping their team more, Nowitzki has Kobe beat in terms of relating to teammates and making them better.

[Steve Rogers]

Kobe never chokes games away? Look and see what he did in game seven vs Suns two years ago. Then go look to see what Dirk did game seven against the Spurs at the Spurs. Or every playoff game his first two or three years in the league.

[DarthRekal]

Kobe never chokes games away? Look and see what he did in game seven vs Suns two years ago. Then go look to see what Dirk did game seven against the Spurs at the Spurs.
.

Kobe NEVER CHOKES...

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tanks??? no thats a different story :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

Or every playoff game his first two or three years in the league.
Ummm yeah that means nothing.. only person to NOT choke his first three years in the L is Magic:whatever:

[mwrfan]

Kobe never chokes games away? Look and see what he did in game seven vs Suns two years ago. Then go look to see what Dirk did game seven against the Spurs at the Spurs.

But truthfully the trade would get either team no where. Other than Lakers wouldn't have to listen to some baby whin about winning, but the Mavs wouldnt win 67 or 62 games with Kobe and they'd be put out by the Suns or Spurs, so then he'd be wanting to be traded again.

I don't think Kobe would aprove a trade to Dallas if Dirk was part of the deal. It sort of defeats the point. If the Lakers were smart they'd trade Kobe for maybe one semi all-star player (like a Rip but not him) and expiring contracts and go after Brand next year or Gilbert when he opts out.

Did Dirk underplay in the playoffs last year? Yes. But his stats did not fall off as much as Terry's did, or Howard's, plus they were not being doubled and tripled team on almost every touch.

When you trade for Kobe, all you are trading for is a headache.

So thats why I believe Adam Morrison is the answer to all our problems.

finally someone with a good point god if i heard another person compare kobe to mj i was gonna go crazy.

[LegendaryCaleb]

LastSunrise1981 and DarbyD53 are pretty dead on...

[DarbyD53]

If Dirk is such a better team leader than Kobe, why didn't the Mavs win Championships with Nowitzki and Nash?

Maybe you should write Steve Nash and ask him that. Nash today is not the same Nash that played for the Mavs. Also Dirk was not the leader of that Mavs team. Finley was. Just to show you how bored I am at work.

Steve Nash's Last 3 Playoff Years With Mavs and Last 3 With Suns:

Points:
21.06 (Suns)
16.40 (Mavs)

Assist:
11.60 (S)
8.36 (M)

Rebounds:
3.9 (S)
3.3 (M)

FG%:
47% (S)
42% (M)

Steals:
.56 (S)
.70 (M)

[Fran]

Now none of the regulars here jump onto the Celtics bandwagon, k :mad:

[Jerry!]

finally someone with a good point god if i heard another person compare kobe to mj i was gonna go crazy.

I don't think anyone is saying he is on MJ's level, just that he is the closest to it out out of everyone.

[Ben Urich]

Kobe/Michael isn't accurate, but it's closer than LeBron/Michael.

[Jerry!]

I should have added "at his position".

[DarthRekal]

Damnit BEN!!!!!!!!!:cmad:


give up D Howard!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cmad:

[DarthRekal]

Now none of the regulars here jump onto the Celtics bandwagon, k :mad:

Never !!!!!!!!!!!!:cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:


if anything the FIRE has been re-kindled and i cant even like PP anymore :cmad:

[Ben Urich]

Damnit BEN!!!!!!!!!:cmad:


give up D Howard!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cmad:

No. :cmad:

[DarthRekal]

No. :cmad:
we will find a way.. we have a way of STEALING big men from Orlando and then Trading them to Miami :cmad: :csad:

[Steve Rogers]

Now none of the regulars here jump onto the Celtics bandwagon, k :mad:I've been a Cetlics fan since I could crawl, but everyone here got all pissy with me for liking them anyway. Who cares, if their preseason game against the Knicks was any indication to how the entire season will go, you guys can hate me all you want while I am laughing all the way to Finals.

[Steve Rogers]

Kobe NEVER CHOKES...

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tanks??? no thats a different story :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:


Ummm yeah that means nothing.. only person to NOT choke his first three years in the L is Magic:whatever:
I don't know if by the L you mean the Lakers. Maybe you're right. I'm not a big Lakers fan, so I don't know. But there have been a few rookies and second and third year players who have shined in the post season.

[omid17]

is kobe playing tonight?

[Ben Urich]

The Knicks shot 25% in that game. :dry:

Also, the Bobcats played the Hawks at 10:30 this morning... and the game was in the United States. :huh:

is kobe playing tonight?

Yes.

[cookiva]

Its because its the hawks....and bobcats....?

[Ben Urich]

Its because its the hawks....and bobcats....?

A lot of fans disguised as empty seats:
http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/7f05ed6d-cb30-48a8-83bc-237d2aeb32b5.jpg

It's like a regular-season Grizzlies game or something. :huh:

The Hawks are going to be good. Really. Just not immediately. Josh Smith should be an all-star soon. :o

[omid17]

The Knicks shot 25% in that game. :dry:

Also, the Bobcats played the Hawks at 10:30 this morning... and the game was in the United States. :huh:



Yes.
sick

[Immortalfire]

The Hawks' logo looks like it's frozen..outlined in blue and all.

[DarthRekal]

I don't know if by the L you mean the Lakers. Maybe you're right. I'm not a big Lakers fan, so I don't know. But there have been a few rookies and second and third year players who have shined in the post season.
L as in League...


Bron Bron didnt Do much his first few years T mac STILL aint doin much...
Michael Struggled.. shining is ONE thing KOBE SHINED too... you just heard about the three airballs... you didnt hear about the rest of his stats...

Shining and NUTTING up are TWO diff things

[DarthRekal]

I've been a Cetlics fan since I could crawl, but everyone here got all pissy with me for liking them anyway. Who cares, if their preseason game against the Knicks was any indication to how the entire season will go, you guys can hate me all you want while I am laughing all the way to Finals.
No... everyone got pissy(too soon i might add)

cause there was NO Celtics fans in here the past three yrs....

now there is ONE and more and more will show up watch ...:o

[mwrfan]

Kobe/Michael isn't accurate, but it's closer than LeBron/Michael.

totally agree and lebron and mj basically play the 2 its just lebron is capable of playing a small forward

[LegendaryCaleb]

Kobe/Michael isn't accurate, but it's closer than LeBron/Michael.
LeBron/MJ will be closer when LeBron gets his team some rings (LeBron 4 Prez)

[Ben Urich]

The Hawks' logo looks like it's frozen..outlined in blue and all.

Their new uniforms wouldn't look so bad if they were red instead of blue. Too many teams wear blue.

In the Magic's defense, it's been our color since the beginning. :o

LeBron/MJ will be closer when LeBron gets his team some rings (LeBron 4 Prez)

I disagree. Jordan took over games with his shooting; he simply did not miss. He'd rise over people and just dagger them. LeBron, however, dominates games physically. He's so much bigger and stronger than his defenders -- and than Michael -- that he simply abuses them on the way to the basket.

Although that behind the back dribble against Billups in Game 5 was pretty Jordanesque. :o

(Sorry, Fran. :csad:)

[LegendaryCaleb]

your right Ben...just thought about what I said
Lebron and MJ are completely different style wise...

[Steve Rogers]

No... everyone got pissy(too soon i might add)

cause there was NO Celtics fans in here the past three yrs....

now there is ONE and more and more will show up watch ...:oI don't count people who adopt a new team every season fans. I'll be the first to tell those bandwagoners to shut the f**k up. I'm on your side.

[Ghostvirus]

Thee Who Compares Kobe To Jordan. Shall Suffer For An Eternity.:cmad:

[NewYorkSpider]

yea i heard of dwayne wade who obviously slipped the officials some money that series with all the free throws he got to take lol yea obviously cant talk there since they beat my team. as far as last years playoff series with golden state that was painful to watch but i dont think that it was dirks fault it was the teams fault for taking golden state lightly but the manin point im getting trying to get across is how can anyone say that the mavericks would have a better shot with kobe in the line up than dirk in aver johnsons system?

So you are another person who uses that bull**** excuse that the 06' Finals were rigged?:whatever: The point of this is, is that they couldn't beat Golden State during the regular season. So saying they took them lightly is completly out of the question. I don't know how Kobe would fit in Avery Johnson's system, but he would provide about the same that Dirk has.

[Immortalfire]

Their new uniforms wouldn't look so bad if they were red instead of blue. Too many teams wear blue.

They've worn red all my life, so this is pretty weird to see.

[Ben Urich]

They've worn red all my life, so this is pretty weird to see.

They should just bring back the Pac-Man jerseys. Those are, um, off the heezy. :up:
http://www.nba.com/media/hawks/wilkins_240_hawks.jpg
Fo' sheezy. :huh:

[Mister J]

Agreed. Also, make everyone fashion their hair like 'Nique's was in that pic. :up:

[Ben Urich]

Dwight is growing his hair out. :up:
Probably won't do that sweet flattop, though. :csad:

[Ben Urich]

Jordan Farmar has 8 points and 5 assists... in 7 minutes... :huh::wow::o

Durant with 2 points on 1-of-7 shooting. Total lock for ROY, though. :o

[Jerry!]

I'm sure those kind of numbers for both of those players will hold throughout the season as well.

[Ben Urich]

You know it. :o

[LastSunrise1981]

Maybe you should write Steve Nash and ask him that. Nash today is not the same Nash that played for the Mavs. Also Dirk was not the leader of that Mavs team. Finley was. Just to show you how bored I am at work.

Steve Nash's Last 3 Playoff Years With Mavs and Last 3 With Suns:

Points:
21.06 (Suns)
16.40 (Mavs)

Assist:
11.60 (S)
8.36 (M)

Rebounds:
3.9 (S)
3.3 (M)

FG%:
47% (S)
42% (M)

Steals:
.56 (S)
.70 (M)

In other words Nash plays with more passion, fire, and determination than he did with Dallas. Which is weird because Dallas, at that time, played the same style of basketball that Phoenix does. Only difference was that their offense was a lot slower compared to Phoenix's run and gun style.

Phoenix doesn't rely on defense and Dallas didn't rely on defense at first either. Unfortunately the defense that Dallas plays doesn't seem to shut down opponents nor does it call for being physical. I truly feel if Dallas stopped backing down, stopped being scared, and just stood up to their opposition they'd be more respected and wouldn't be laughed at.

I'm a Dallas fan myself, however, I do wish that they wouldn't let certain teams mess with them mentally.

[omid17]

lakers kicked ass last night

[DarthRekal]

Jordan Farmar has 8 points and 5 assists... in 7 minutes... :huh::wow::o

Durant with 2 points on 1-of-7 shooting. Total lock for ROY, though. :o
Farmar's the troof.... Crit is too.. but i think Farmar will get more light cause P Jax already knows Farmar
lakers kicked ass last night

Couldnt see couldnt pay my DISH bill til today :csad:
glad to hear though :up:

[omid17]

and the whole team did great, i think kobe made like 3 or 4 three pointers in a row

[DarbyD53]

I just got a email from ticketmaster.com asking me if I really meant to order Memphis Grizzlies tickets. I informed yes cause I wanted to watch the Mavs play and they said "oh ok...that makes sense then, we were just worried you accidentally order Griz tickets"


Yes it's lame joke Friday..........but I could see that really happening.

I got my first Yahoo Draft tomorrow, it's a live in person draft at a friends house. We actually make up team logo's and put them in envelopes and draw who gets 1st pick, 2nd pick and ect.....so does that take away or add cool points for me?

[DarthRekal]

oddly enough it does both


so it puts you right back where you are :oldrazz:



but then









the joke takes you down a notch :hyper:

[Ghostvirus]

I thought the joke was pretty. Funny. I LOTI'ed

[DarthRekal]

I thought the joke was pretty. Funny. I LOTI'ed
Thats it.... MC thought it was funny...


you go down TWO more notches :woot:

[Ghostvirus]

Don't make me take you down a notch boy!:cmad::ninja:

[Ben Urich]

God, that NBA Live 08 commercial with Paul Pierce is hilarious. He pump-fakes Luke Walton out of his jock, drives right at Kwame Brown, spins around him, then dunks in his freaking face.

How do you think that makes Kwame feel? :csad:

[Ghostvirus]

Orlando looked good against Cleveland, & Reddick looked promising. The could be a sleeper team. Maybe?

[Ben Urich]

Orlando looked good against Cleveland, & Reddick looked promising. The could be a sleeper team. Maybe?

Not really sleepers, no. Some (reputable) publications/outlets (the latest: Yahoo) are picking them to win the division.

The real Southeast sleeper is Charlotte. Miami better watch it. I'm serious.

[DarbyD53]

Not really sleepers, no. Some (reputable) publications/outlets (the latest: Yahoo) are picking them to win the division.

The real Southeast sleeper is Charlotte. Miami better watch it. I'm serious.


I know a lot of my local NBA buddies are jumping on the Bobcats wagon, they keep calling them a younger East version of the Suns, only when it comes to scoring, not really the W's I guess yet. I myself just don't see it. I will though consider Richardson in some drafts though due to the chance he'll return to 23 PPG.

[DarbyD53]

God, that NBA Live 08 commercial with Paul Pierce is hilarious. He pump-fakes Luke Walton out of his jock, drives right at Kwame Brown, spins around him, then dunks in his freaking face.

How do you think that makes Kwame feel? :csad:


He probably is thinking "why do they actually have me playing defense in the game, thats so unrealistic"

Also any on here bought Live 08? We had to take back 3 copies in a 36 hour peroid. It would just freaking keep asking stupid questions while loading, I was like it was froze while loading, the guy at Best Buy said we were the 8th person atleast to come exhange it, finally we just got 2K8 even though we like Live better.

[LastSunrise1981]

Dallas remain undefeated in the pre-season. I sincerely hope they're not wasting all of their energy in a season that is virtually pointless.

[DarbyD53]

Dallas remain undefeated in the pre-season. I sincerely hope they're not wasting all of their energy in a season that is virtually pointless.

J-Ho got 2 games for his actions against the Kings so he'll regain some of his energy. I think he was more upset at Miller cause he had cornrows, than for what he did to Harris

[Jerry!]

Allan Houston... He done! Again!

[Ben Urich]

I know a lot of my local NBA buddies are jumping on the Bobcats wagon, they keep calling them a younger East version of the Suns, only when it comes to scoring, not really the W's I guess yet. I myself just don't see it. I will though consider Richardson in some drafts though due to the chance he'll return to 23 PPG.

Losing Sean May really hurt them. Richardson is the first real scorer that team has ever had. I want him to bring the 'Cats to respectability... just not at the Magic's expense. :o

He probably is thinking "why do they actually have me playing defense in the game, thats so unrealistic"

Also any on here bought Live 08? We had to take back 3 copies in a 36 hour peroid. It would just freaking keep asking stupid questions while loading, I was like it was froze while loading, the guy at Best Buy said we were the 8th person atleast to come exhange it, finally we just got 2K8 even though we like Live better.

They also showed a commercial for NBA 08 (not to be confused with Live 08 or 2k8 :huh:) in which Amare Stoudemire throws down an alley-oop over Kwame. What did he ever do to the video-game developers? :huh:

Sucks about Live 08 freezing all the time on you. At least you got a working NBA video game now, though. :huh::up:

I still play Live 2001 for PC and GOD does it suck. Shaq throwing down 360 tomahawks in traffic, lol.

[DarbyD53]

Got my tickets in the mail today, I'm atleast 28% more excited for the season to start.

One thing that sucks for me as a Mavs fan is they could go 82-0 and it would always be followed by "the Mavs went 82-0.....but what will they do in the playoffs, will they choke away a 2-0 lead, or will they get bumped in the first round" it gets annoying but I understand why it is said.

[Ghostvirus]

Well folksies a little over week until the Bulls start their taking back of the east.:o

[Ben Urich]

Got my tickets in the mail today, I'm atleast 28% more excited for the season to start.

One thing that sucks for me as a Mavs fan is they could go 82-0 and it would always be followed by "the Mavs went 82-0.....but what will they do in the playoffs, will they choke away a 2-0 lead, or will they get bumped in the first round" it gets annoying but I understand why it is said.

The wait is killing me. Did your tickets come with any goodies? I got a window-cling. :word:

Well folksies a little over week until the Bulls start their taking back of the east.:o

I like the Bulls, but my colleagues at Golden State of Mind (http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/story/2007/10/6/23203/4422) don't:
Chicago Bulls- Thanks to the East Coast/ Midwest bias this might be the most overrated team in the NBA. I'd dare say they wouldn't have even made the playoffs if they were in the West.

:huh::csad:

[Ghostvirus]

*gets shotgun* Who the hell are these guys?:cmad:

[Ben Urich]

*gets shotgun* Who the hell are these guys?:cmad:

Only one of the most respected NBA blogs in the world. :o

[Ghostvirus]

So it is me against the world.:csad:[/Tupac]

[NewYorkSpider]

What happened to Adam Morrison? Any word on his injury?

[Ben Urich]

What happened to Adam Morrison? Any word on his injury?

He was guarding Luke Walton earlier tonight when he collapsed to the floor holding his left knee. He'll undergo an MRI soon.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3072513

[NewYorkSpider]

Hopefully it isn't too serious. I like Adam Morrison.

[Jerry!]

Got my tickets in the mail today, I'm atleast 28% more excited for the season to start.

One thing that sucks for me as a Mavs fan is they could go 82-0 and it would always be followed by "the Mavs went 82-0.....but what will they do in the playoffs, will they choke away a 2-0 lead, or will they get bumped in the first round" it gets annoying but I understand why it is said.


Well its a well deserved criticism.

[Ghostvirus]

This radio station WCKG carries almost all the Bulls games. Does anyone know of a program that I can use to pick up this station? I am to far south the pick it up.

Edit: I was just looking at the Bulls preseason record. Looks as if they are back to being backwardly inconsistent.

So far they have beat the good teams, & lost to the mediocre to bad teams.:dry:
Its like the don't take the bad teams seriously, but act like underdogs with the good teams.

[Fran]

:up:

[Ben Urich]

This radio station WCKG carries almost all the Bulls games. Does anyone know of a program that I can use to pick up this station? I am to far south the pick it up.

NBA Audio League Pass (http://www.nba.com/broadband/alp_schedule.html) is free this year. Bookmark it.


Edit: I was just looking at the Bulls preseason record. Looks as if they are back to being backwardly inconsistent.

So far they have beat the good teams, & lost to the mediocre to bad teams.:dry:
Its like the don't take the bad teams seriously, but act like underdogs with the good teams.

Don't worry about it. Gordon's been hurt and Skiles has just been ****ing around with lineups. Viktor Khryapa started the other night. :dry:

[Ghostvirus]

:up:

:huh:

NBA Audio League Pass (http://www.nba.com/broadband/alp_schedule.html) is free this year. Bookmark it.



Don't worry about it. Gordon's been hurt and Skiles has just been ****ing around with lineups. Viktor Khryapa started the other night. :dry:

I know it is the preseason. I am just starting to get that feeling from last year. The one where they would take out the Suns pretty handedly, then lose to Portland (last years Portland. Not this years).

Thanks for the link.

[Ben Urich]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3073563&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines

Adam Morrison is likely out for the year with knee ligament damage.

Aaaaaaaand there go the Bobcats. :o

[Ghostvirus]

Eveybody off the wagon now! Hurry before you get caught being a fan. Run back to your previoius teams.

[Jerry!]

Well the game where they beat the Suns Nash didn't play. The Suns are just a different team when Nash doesn't play a game, or even if he isn't out on the court.

[Ghostvirus]

The Suns was just an example.

[DarbyD53]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3073563&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines

Adam Morrison is likely out for the year with knee ligament damage.

Aaaaaaaand there go the Bobcats. :o


Actually I believe this gives me 3 more wins on the season.

[L.A.]

Just came back from the staples center double header Bobcats vs Suns and Clips vs the Lakers!!! Bobcats/suns game was pretty boring, I should have just came when the lakers/clippers game started!!! Clippers won of course with Al Thornton playing his best game I've seen so far!

[Spider-Fan]

I am not too hyped for this season really. The Cavs did nothing to improve the team, so if we make it to the finals again, we will just get whipped.

But, my apathy could just be from my frustration with none of my teams winning a title (freaking Indians!!!) :csad:

[Jerry!]

Found this on Gamespot, its pretty funny. Its showing the faces of NBA players in each of this year's basketball video games to see how much they match up. The first two (being Live and 2K) are more or less good on most of them, but NBA 08's is like a comical rendition of the players.

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6181226/index.html?tag=topslot;title;1&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/features/nba_faces/kaman_4.jpg

Cartoon crack addict or Chris Kamen in NBA 08?

[L.A.]

Damn most of those live shots look great!!!:eek:

[Ben Urich]

Found this on Gamespot, its pretty funny. Its showing the faces of NBA players in each of this year's basketball video games to see how much they match up. The first two (being Live and 2K) are more or less good on most of them, but NBA 08's is like a comical rendition of the players.

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6181226/index.html?tag=topslot;title;1&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/features/nba_faces/kaman_4.jpg

Cartoon crack addict or Chris Kamen in NBA 08?

NBA 08's Tim Duncan seriously looks like an ape. :dry:

[DarbyD53]

Found this on Gamespot, its pretty funny. Its showing the faces of NBA players in each of this year's basketball video games to see how much they match up. The first two (being Live and 2K) are more or less good on most of them, but NBA 08's is like a comical rendition of the players.

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6181226/index.html?tag=topslot;title;1&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/features/nba_faces/kaman_4.jpg

Cartoon crack addict or Chris Kamen in NBA 08?

Looks like Waylen Mercy from the WWF/WWE in the mid 90's.

[DarbyD53]

Also I just went to that link and no one can make Kevin Garnett it appears

[Silver Knight]

Apart from the Rockets, which teams will be getting new alternate jerseys?

[Ben Urich]

Apart from the Rockets, which teams will be getting new alternate jerseys?

I can't find anything on the Rockets having new alts, but the Wizards have changed the color of their jersey's trim from copper to a bright gold. The names on the back of the jerseys have changed from white (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/05/04/PH2005050402496.jpg) to that same gold.

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20071017/capt.324319f514144288bb5c4c0640731e11.wizards_bull s_basketball_cxa103.jpg

Also, the Warriors are switching from gold throwbacks to blue ones:
http://www.hopestation.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/gswmediaday27-100107.jpg

Finally, the Heat (http://www.nba.com/media/heat/hpg0708_media_day_071001_13.jpg) and Pistons (http://www.nba.com/media/pistons/media_071005_007.jpg) will be wearing patches commemorating team anniversaries.

[Silver Knight]

Thanks Ben, but I know for a fact the Rockets are getting black alternates. I would suspect afew other teams getting a new look too.

[Mister J]

Finally, the Heat (http://www.nba.com/media/heat/hpg0708_media_day_071001_13.jpg) and Pistons (http://www.nba.com/media/pistons/media_071005_007.jpg) will be wearing patches commemorating team anniversaries.
First time I've seen Wayne Simien in uniform in ages. :eek:

[Silver Knight]

First time I've seen Wayne Simien in uniform in ages. :eek:
Yes, I was wondering what ever happened to him.

[Fran]

Chauncey shaved the 'stache :eek:

[Silver Knight]

Wow! I just realised that!

Dudes past his prime though..

[Fran]

Him shaving the 'stache = NBA title.

[Silver Knight]

Him shaving the 'stache = NBA title.
No. Celts will be East champs.

[Fran]

Yeah, joining the bandwagon, eh? Awesome.

[Silver Knight]

No. Just fact.

I do not support the Celtics nor am I hoping on the wagon.

[Fran]

Sure, they might win a title, but this isn't a long-term team. It might work 3 years, max, but Detroit will be right there.

Also, it's not fact. Nothing is fact until it happens, bub.

[Silver Knight]

Fact Detriot is on the decline. Period.

They are not the force they used to be.

[Fran]

I don't know of a team in Detriot :confused: