Official 2007-08 NBA Thread

[Ben Urich]

Kobe Bryant is on the Lakers' inactive list tonight. Make of that what you will.

just got a message from mavs myspace page sayin they are going to sign Juwan Howard, so great now Josh Howard's jersey will read: JO. Howard. yes thats my biggest concern with this signing.

and Duncan taking less money is still a selfish move, don't make me prove it either cause I can and will

I hate the initials on jersey thing. So you have two players with the same last name. Big deal. That's what the freaking numbers are for.

[DarthRekal]

Kobe Bryant is on the Lakers' inactive list tonight. Make of that what you will. .
source??? link???:huh:

[DarbyD53]

prove it.


Ok Duncan took less money so that his team can sign better players and win right? Why did he do that? He did that so HE can win to boost his EGO and HIS place in history. He knows he will not be able to carry a team those two years he signed for at his age, they would struggle, hurting his place in history and his ego, so him taking less money was more about him than it was about team. If he was the greatness player in the world as he thinks he is, we could take the max and he should lead them, not some mid-level/semi stars signings win for him.

Hey that’s all I got, if you told me Duncan had a cure for AIDS I'd find something wrong with it. Just don't like the guy.

[DarthRekal]

Ok Duncan took less money so that his team can sign better players and win right? Why did he do that? He did that so HE can win to boost his EGO and HIS place in history. He knows he will not be able to carry a team those two years he signed for at his age, they would struggle, hurting his place in history and his ego, so him taking less money was more about him than it was about team. If he was the greatness player in the world as he thinks he is, we could take the max and he should lead them, not some mid-level/semi stars signings win for him.

Hey that’s all I got, if you told me Duncan had a cure for AIDS I'd find something wrong with it. Just don't like the guy.

i like you darby :woot:

[omid17]

source??? link???:huh: theres a good chance he's playing tonight

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-17-166/Maybe-Kobe-Bryant-Will-Play-Tonight.html

[Ghostvirus]

Kobe Bryant is on the Lakers' inactive list tonight. Make of that what you will.

Jesus. Its happening. This day has been crappy enough.:csad::csad::csad:

Ok Duncan took less money so that his team can sign better players and win right? Why did he do that? He did that so HE can win to boost his EGO and HIS place in history. He knows he will not be able to carry a team those two years he signed for at his age, they would struggle, hurting his place in history and his ego, so him taking less money was more about him than it was about team. If he was the greatness player in the world as he thinks he is, we could take the max and he should lead them, not some mid-level/semi stars signings win for him.

Hey that’s all I got, if you told me Duncan had a cure for AIDS I'd find something wrong with it. Just don't like the guy.

Cool. Just wondering if you could actually walk the walk. Not really a big Duncan fan myself.

[Ben Urich]

theres a good chance he's playing tonight

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-17-166/Maybe-Kobe-Bryant-Will-Play-Tonight.html

Kobe updated his website. He isn't playing tonight. (http://truth.kb24.com/#18)

[Jerry!]

Dun, dun, dahhhh.

[omid17]

Kobe updated his website. He isn't playing tonight. (http://truth.kb24.com/#18)
i liked what kobe said

[Ben Urich]

Anyone watching Blazers/Spurs? :huh:

Didn't think so. :o

[Fran]

Who?

[DarbyD53]

Anyone watching Blazers/Spurs? :huh:

Didn't think so. :o

Nope. I was busy counting how many leafs are on the tree outside, it seemed much more entertaining.

[Ben Urich]

The league has begun posting which officials will be working which games ahead of time. Check it out here: http://www.nba.com/news/referee.html

[Mister J]

Ok Duncan took less money so that his team can sign better players and win right? Why did he do that? He did that so HE can win to boost his EGO and HIS place in history. He knows he will not be able to carry a team those two years he signed for at his age, they would struggle, hurting his place in history and his ego, so him taking less money was more about him than it was about team. If he was the greatness player in the world as he thinks he is, we could take the max and he should lead them, not some mid-level/semi stars signings win for him.

Hey that’s all I got, if you told me Duncan had a cure for AIDS I'd find something wrong with it. Just don't like the guy.
Wow. That's some of the most nonsensical and skewed logic I've ever seen used in a sports circle. It's almost frightening. :dew:

[Ben Urich]

The Blazers only trail the Spurs by 4 at the end of three quarters. LaMarcus Aldridge is carrying Portland with 21 points. :huh:

[Mister J]

I just saw the score and thought Kevin Duckworth had come out of retirement. :D

:dry:

[Ben Urich]

Good thing I had Brent Barry active tonight. He was the last guy I drafted and he has 12 points and three three-pointers made. I can dig it. :huh:

[Ben Urich]

More :huh:worthiness:
At the start of the fourth quarter, Tim Duncan had a +/- rating of -1. Matt Bonner, however, was +9. It's the beard!

[Ben Urich]

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/7a3bde4b-957e-4097-926a-4a42dc09dea3.jpg

:cmad::cmad::cmad:

[omid17]

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/7a3bde4b-957e-4097-926a-4a42dc09dea3.jpg

:cmad::cmad::cmad:
****in spurs won by luck last season, because of the ****ing Refs

[Silver Knight]

****in spurs won by luck last season, because of the ****ing Refs
Exactly..

Anyone know why Kobe isnt playing tonite?

[Ben Urich]

****in spurs won by luck last season, because of the ****ing Refs

Oh I dgf about them winning anymore. I'm just sick of Eva. :cmad:

Anyone know why Kobe isnt playing tonite?

Sprained right wrist.

[omid17]

Exactly..

Anyone know why Kobe isnt playing tonite?
kobe says he not today

[Docker2.0]

Kobe is going for 50! Dude has barely passed the ball!

[Ben Urich]

So he's in the lineup and he has 13 points on 10 shots. Okay.

[AhabTheArab]

rockets look good, once they get the flow together i think they will be the best team in texas, yeah i said it.

[Fran]

There was basketball tonight? :huh:

[Silver Knight]

Looks like the Jazz are giveing the Warriors a good beatdown.

[Ghostvirus]

Well the Lakers are 0-1. Good start for them.:dry:

[Silver Knight]

How bout Kobe!!! Dude went nuts out there today!

[Ghostvirus]

But yet they still lost.

[cookiva]

How bout Kobe!!! Dude went nuts out there today!

13 of 31 is nuts???

[Silver Knight]

They lost cos they have no other players..

[cookiva]

No, because Kobe whines and tries to get refs on his side. Olsten didnt do crap at the end, and Kobe turns and yells at the refs.

[Silver Knight]

I didnt see the game so I dont know what your talking about.

[L.A.]

Its going to be long season for the Lakers!

[L.A.]

Sam Cassel getting dissed by the pistons!!!

http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/tuesdays_splash.html

[Silver Knight]

Hahahahaha!!

Ohh thats ice cold!

[Trainwreck2100]

The game would have gone into OT if not for Walton throwing the ball in the wrong basket.

[Trainwreck2100]

****in spurs won by luck last season, because of the ****ing Refs

Those are two different variables.

And playing Cle in the Finals had something to do with it

[Ben Urich]

The game would have gone into OT if not for Walton throwing the ball in the wrong basket.

I just watched that on ESPN.com. Wtf was that? :huh:

[Silver Knight]

Cavs v Mavs.

I see Lebron dropping 40 odd.

[Ben Urich]

Steve Francis has been informed he will not be a part of the Rockets' regular rotation.

Question: why sign the guy if you aren't going to play him? :huh:

[The Riddler]

Steve Francis has been informed he will not be a part of the Rockets' regular rotation.

Question: why sign the guy if you aren't going to play him? :huh:

francis hasn't been able to grasp the new offense as quickly as hoped, that is the main reason he isn't in the rotation.

[Silver Knight]

So he wont get off the pine at all?

[The Riddler]

So he wont get off the pine at all?

i would guess a few weeks.

[Ben Urich]

francis hasn't been able to grasp the new offense as quickly as hoped, that is the main reason he isn't in the rotation.

Oh.

Sucks for him. I was thinking he'd be a solid bench contributor. Guess I shoulda known better. :csad:

[Jerry!]

13 of 31 is nuts???

Apparently for Lakers fans it is, they were chanting "MVP" by the 4th quarter, yet they booed him at the beginning of the game.

[Jerry!]

****! 3 way team trade involving Kings, Lakers and Chicago falls through. Bulls would lose Gordon and Wallace and get Kobe, Lakers get Artest and Wallace, Kings get Gordon and I think someone else from Lakers. I would have taken that and packed everyone's bags. Dammit. Losing just basically Wallace and keeping everyone else? Goddammit. That would have been just about perfect.

[Fran]

That sounds like the best trade that I've heard.

[Jerry!]

I wish I hadn't known about it now because I am not sure if a deal that does go through can be as good as that. The Bulls are basically just giving up Wallace for Kobe, which was a loss I already knew had to happen because of Kobe's contract. Damn.

[Fran]

Isn't Big Ben their most expensive player?

[Jerry!]

Yeah. I knew any trade involving Kobe would have to involve him. And in that one all the Bulls lose is an aging and declining Wallace.

[Fran]

Which you should do.

[Jerry!]

I think that trade is dead because the money didn't add up or something from the Kings end of the deal. I can't remember exactly because I was still in shock from learning that the Bulls would have only lost Ben Wallace. And MC I don't see how you would not have liked that trade. You lose no future promising players. Meanwhile Skip Bayless doesn't understand why the Bulls don't include Deng in the trade. I'd have to say Deng is the one true untouchable player in any kind of deal. Maybe Hinrich as well, but maybe not.

[Excel]

So LeBron is playing like crap

[Silver Knight]

That sounds like the best trade that I've heard.
I agree.

Make it happen!!

[omid17]

if you guys watch the Laker game last night, they interviewed phil jackson and he said that kobe is staying this year for sure

[Mister J]

****! 3 way team trade involving Kings, Lakers and Chicago falls through. Bulls would lose Gordon and Wallace and get Kobe, Lakers get Artest and Wallace, Kings get Gordon and I think someone else from Lakers. I would have taken that and packed everyone's bags. Dammit. Losing just basically Wallace and keeping everyone else? Goddammit. That would have been just about perfect.
You'd have to love that. It's a horrible trade for everyone but the Bulls.

Big Chief Triangle and Magic don't expect Mamba to be dealt (at least this year) and I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that way. Deng and Dirk aren't on the able and from what I've heard, no one else in really in contention. Bryant isn't going to tank, the Lakers aren't going to get equal value and they really don't have to address this until February 2009. There's no urgency here at all unless someone presents LA with a great deal. If their front office was worth a damn, they've be busting their ass to try to bring in some help instead of letting this soap opera continue.

[Silver Knight]

if you guys watch the Laker game last night, they interviewed phil jackson and he said that kobe is staying this year for sure
We will see about that..

[Ghostvirus]

****! 3 way team trade involving Kings, Lakers and Chicago falls through. Bulls would lose Gordon and Wallace and get Kobe, Lakers get Artest and Wallace, Kings get Gordon and I think someone else from Lakers. I would have taken that and packed everyone's bags. Dammit. Losing just basically Wallace and keeping everyone else? Goddammit. That would have been just about perfect.

Bulls down by 3 right now.:csad:

I am not the biggest Kobe supporter, but I could get behind that trade, because it wouldn't totally detroy what Paxson has worked for. Shame that fell through. Do you know what it fell through?

Edit: Did you hear the Stephen A. Smith said Kobe's contract is like?:wow: No wonder he hasn't been traded........WOOO!!! TIE GAMEEE!

[Ghostvirus]

Over time.

[Ben Urich]

The Magic smoked the Bucks, 102-83. We shot 12-of-22 from three-point range :huh::wow:. 26 points for Lewis on only 13 shots :woot:. 7 blocks for Dwight Howard, including two that sailed into the stands. :wow:

:word::up:

[Fran]

Sailed into the front row? :o

[Ghostvirus]

Godamn Wright!!!!!!:cmad:

AHHHHH!!!

Oh Sh**! Another 3! GAME OVER MAN...GAME OVER!!!:csad:

Not a good way to start the season.*tear*

[Silver Knight]

This is why the Bulls NEED Kobe.

On aanother note looks like its going to be a long year for Lebron and co.

[Ben Urich]

Sailed into the front row? :o

One went about five rows back, and the other went straight into the Milwaukee bench.

[Silver Knight]

One went about five rows back, and the other went straight into the Milwaukee bench.
Who did he block?

[DarbyD53]

Mavs played pretty good, I liked seeing a lot of new faces on the team, and them actually playing some. I like Terry off the bench, no need for 2 PG's to start.

[Ghostvirus]

This is why the Bulls NEED Kobe.

On aanother note looks like its going to be a long year for Lebron and co.

I don't know about that. Da Bulls have alway had trouble with the Nets for some reason.

What was with Skiles keeping in Wallace near the end?

[LastSunrise1981]

Very happy to see Dallas win their first game of the series. Great way to start off a long season and hopefully the sting of 2006 and the humiliation of this year makes them hungry, determined, and angry.

Going to be a long season and a long year, but that's the NBA and it's time for Dallas to show the league and the world what they're made of. Go Dallas. :up: :up:

[Silver Knight]

Dallas will lose first round of the playoffs agian.

Dirk is just NOT a leader.

[Silver Knight]

Wallace will be involved with a trade I think.

Him and Skiles just dont get along.

[batman44]

Had to come in and give props to the Mavs season opening game win:up:

[Silver Knight]

^^Who do they face next?

[Ben Urich]

lol, the Nets tell Antoine Wright they aren't picking up the option on his contract, so he goes out and torches the Bulls for 21 points off the bench.

"Option this, *****!"

That said, I was hoping the Bulls would win. :huh::o

Who did he block?

I don't remember exactly, but the box score says Mo Williams had 4 of his shots blocked. I imagine one of the nasty ones was on him.

[Fran]

One went about five rows back, and the other went straight into the Milwaukee bench.

Five rows? I saw it go into the first row behind the backboard. :huh:

[Ben Urich]

Five rows? I saw it go into the first row behind the backboard. :huh:

The point is that he blocked the **** out of that ball. :yay:

[LastSunrise1981]

Dallas will lose first round of the playoffs agian.

Dirk is just NOT a leader.

Only time will tell. Dirk has exhibited some traits of being a leader, but it's not just him, the whole team has to take responsibility for not getting the job done against Miami and against Golden State.

It's a team game and while a leader needs to take charge, other players who are capable of making shots need to take action as well. This year could be different, and maybe it won't, but in the end Dallas needs to be hungry, angry, and determined in order to win the championship.

They have all the tools, now it's just putting them to great use.

[Ben Urich]

LeBron was scoreless in the first half. Good grief.

[Silver Knight]

lol, the Nets tell Antoine Wright they aren't picking up the option on his contract, so he goes out and torches the Bulls for 21 points off the bench.

"Option this, *****!"

That said, I was hoping the Bulls would win. :huh::o



I don't remember exactly, but the box score says Mo Williams had 4 of his shots blocked. I imagine one of the nasty ones was on him.
So Wright is a free agent after this season.

Is that how it works?

[Silver Knight]

LeBron was scoreless in the first half. Good grief.
I think he finished up with 11.

Terrible game the Cavs.

[Ben Urich]

So Wright is a free agent after this season.

Is that how it works?

Yes. They had the option to renew his contract for two more seasons, and they declined. I don't know if that makes him restricted or unrestricted next summer, though. Probably restricted.

[Silver Knight]

But still thats got to hurt inside..

[AhabTheArab]

sonics look a lot better than i expected. that being said they look flat as hell in the second half.

[Jerry!]

Over time.

And why was it overtime? Because Ben Gordon took another poor jump shot that was partially blocked by a guy almost a foot taller than him as time expired. We don't need a ****ing three pointer to win the game Ben, it was tied. Pass it off to Deng for a mid range shot or something, don't take that shot. It was another perfect example of why a trade needs to be done. Same bull****.

[Trainwreck2100]

Spurs 2-0 with Sac coming up, they should go 3-0
As for the Mavs, less Jason Terry and more Harris.

[Ben Urich]

And why was it overtime? Because Ben Gordon took another poor jump shot that was partially blocked by a guy almost a foot taller than him as time expired. We don't need a ****ing three pointer to win the game Ben, it was tied. Pass it off to Deng for a mid range shot or something, don't take that shot. It was another perfect example of why a trade needs to be done. Same bull****.

Matt from BlogABull thinks the last play of regulation was ****ed-up because of Nocioni (http://www.blogabull.com/story/2007/10/31/23634/911).

The freaking Nets? :huh:

[Silver Knight]

Spurs 2-0 with Sac coming up, they should go 3-0
As for the Mavs, less Jason Terry and more Harris.
Terry will be 6th man of the year.

[Jerry!]

Matt from BlogABull thinks the last play of regulation was ****ed-up because of Nocioni (http://www.blogabull.com/story/2007/10/31/23634/911).

The freaking Nets? :huh:

Even if thats true, Gordon should not have taken that shot, we don't need a three pointer. Get the ball to Deng. That should be the go to guy right now, not Gordon taking 3 pointers to win the game when its tied. It was a bad shot selection. It was the same thing last season with Gordon, its happened more times than I want to remember.

[Ghostvirus]

And why was it overtime? Because Ben Gordon took another poor jump shot that was partially blocked by a guy almost a foot taller than him as time expired. We don't need a ****ing three pointer to win the game Ben, it was tied. Pass it off to Deng for a mid range shot or something, don't take that shot. It was another perfect example of why a trade needs to be done. Same bull****.

Gordon was also the one chucking up crap shots at the end of the overtime as well.:whatever:

When did everyone decide Gordon was clutch? Why did Skiles keep Wallace in the game at the end?

[Ben Urich]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=Deng_Bryant

Kobe will veto any trade to Chicago in which Luol Deng goes to L.A. Dude wants to play with the Luolcat.

[Silver Knight]

Will the deal ever get done then??

[Mister J]

I don't remember exactly, but the box score says Mo Williams had 4 of his shots blocked. I imagine one of the nasty ones was on him.
Good. I hope the ****er has a horrible season. :up:

[Silver Knight]

Dude should be playing for Miami.

[Mister J]

Him playing the Heat like an Atari 7800 is my reason for wishing him ill-will. Of course, Riley was more than happy to go along with it (throwing away the chance to lockup Steve Blake). Toss in that 11th hour matching of Charlie Bell's contract and I hope the Bucks are godawful for the next 3 years. :cmad:
...hope Charlie plays well though. :o

For those of you keeping score at home, yes, I am still *****ing about the offseason. :up:

[Ghostvirus]

Will the deal ever get done then??

I just heard on ESPN that the Kings, Lakers, & Bulls do want to do a deal. Just the current deal fell threw. I got the impression they are just going to regroup, & try again.

To be honest. I think Kobe is done with the Lakers. There is just to much built up crap to stay now. If the Bulls can get him without giving up to much, then I suppose I am open to that. Him wanting to keep Deng is a good sign that he is open to other talent.

I think I am getting Kobe fever or something. I am starting to warm up to the idea.:csad:

[Silver Knight]

Wow, from the Kobe hate to the Kobe love..

Kobe will be a Bull. (Well I hope)

[Ghostvirus]

NO! NO! Not Love. Just a moderate warmth. No love!

[Fran]

Yeah, right. When Kobe becomes a Bull and drops 50 on a team, let's say Detroit, you'll be in love with him. :whatever:

[Ghostvirus]

I have no idea right now. All I know is that I didn't like the Bulls losing the opening game, & I am really starting to get tired of Ben Gordon's poor shot selection.

But don't worry my love for you will never fade Farmer.:oldrazz:

[Silver Knight]

Yeah, right. When Kobe becomes a Bull and drops 50 on a team, let's say Detroit, you'll be in love with him. :whatever:
Could not have said it any better..

[Ghostvirus]

Could not have said it any better..

Look. I could end up likeing the guy, but I will never be comfy. He has shown an ability to be a team player, but he always resorts back to being selfish. If he can be a team player, then I am willing to route for him.

I just wish it would be over already. All this speculation is weighing heavy on the dome.

[Fran]

But don't worry my love for you will never fade Farmer.:oldrazz:

:dry:
:dry::dry:
:dry::dry::dry:

[Ghostvirus]

What? You sayin you don't feel the same?



NOOOO!!!!!!!:csad:

[Silver Knight]

Kobe can veto any trade.

That in its own right gives Kobe and the Bulls the power to get the trade done while keeping Deng.

[Ben Urich]

John Paxson says it ain't happening. (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/fullcourtpress/2007/11/it-was-the-righ.html)

[Jerry!]

Yeah just heard that on ESPN. Unless he is just saying that to keep the heat off the players, then the Bulls are really in deep ****. Because Luol Deng and Ben Gordon declined to sign contract extensions before the first regular season game (Hinrich signed his last year literally hours before the first game) meaning that now they will become restricted free agents after this season. So basically, after constantly saying that he doesn't want to break up the core players of the team in a trade, 2 of them, Deng being the best player on the team, could be gone after this season anyway. I don't get that logic, "There is no equal value for Kobe Bryant". Of course not, they are wanting to trade the best player in the league to you guys, and you know that Deng won't be involved because Kobe wants him around, what the **** is the problem here? Take advantage of it.

[Ben Urich]

Teams are going to make some pretty fat offers to those guys too. It would have been wise for the Bulls to have locked them up this summer. But whatever.

[DarthRekal]

Okay from the game i went to we looked terrible in the third... chemistry isnt really there... i mean between Kobe and Fish yeah.. Kobe and the new guys.. umm no... he had Luke on the break and dribbled into a double team instead... we got lucky the Rox slacked off that night...



gonna be a LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG year :csad:

[LastSunrise1981]

Yeah just heard that on ESPN. Unless he is just saying that to keep the heat off the players, then the Bulls are really in deep ****. Because Luol Deng and Ben Gordon declined to sign contract extensions before the first regular season game (Hinrich signed his last year literally hours before the first game) meaning that now they will become restricted free agents after this season. So basically, after constantly saying that he doesn't want to break up the core players of the team in a trade, 2 of them, Deng being the best player on the team, could be gone after this season anyway. I don't get that logic, "Their is no equal value for Kobe Bryant". Of course not, they are wanting to trade the best player in the league to you guys, and you know that Deng won't be involved because Kobe wants him around, what the **** is the problem here? Take advantage of it.

That's because Kobe is a cancer to any team. He'll ruin any kind of chemistry that any particular team has. Kobe wants another easy ticket to a championship and wants to be able ride the backs of either Chicago, Dallas, Phoenix, and etc..

Kobe is all about Kobe and while he's a talented player, his selfishness, his ego, and his backstabbing mentality will only ruin a well cemented core that's been established with championship teams or teams contending for a championship.

[Ghostvirus]

Yeah just heard that on ESPN. Unless he is just saying that to keep the heat off the players, then the Bulls are really in deep ****. Because Luol Deng and Ben Gordon declined to sign contract extensions before the first regular season game (Hinrich signed his last year literally hours before the first game) meaning that now they will become restricted free agents after this season. So basically, after constantly saying that he doesn't want to break up the core players of the team in a trade, 2 of them, Deng being the best player on the team, could be gone after this season anyway. I don't get that logic, "There is no equal value for Kobe Bryant". Of course not, they are wanting to trade the best player in the league to you guys, and you know that Deng won't be involved because Kobe wants him around, what the **** is the problem here? Take advantage of it.

Bus wants Deng. Kobe won't agree with Deng gone. How exactly do you expect Paxson to seal this deal? He is pretty much stuck.

[Jerry!]

Here is something you still can't seem to grasp Sunrise. Kobe does not want to play for the Lakers. You can say he is a backstabber, but at the same time you can say the Lakers front office lied to him when they kept telling him that they would get him help. He wants Deng on the Bulls, he wants players around him, if he didn't he wouldn't decline the trade if Deng was involved. Do you watch any Bulls games? They lack exactly what Kobe has to offer for them. Its been the same problem since Jordan and everyone else left. They don't have that one guy.

They have all the types of players and role players that are needed to surround that go to guy, but the problem is they don't have that star player. They are missing the main component. They aren't good enough to be a team like the Pistons. That should be evident by now. And this "cemented core" looks like its cracking. Tell me Sunrise, anyone really, what do you see in Ben Gordon? What is it that I am completely missing on this guy? And don't bull**** me with "oh he is good hard working kid" crap. OK fine, is he a good basketball player? Better than Kobe? Kobe wouldn't be "riding the backs" of the Bulls, he would be leading them.

[Jerry!]

Bus wants Deng. Kobe won't agree with Deng gone. How exactly do you expect Paxson to seal this deal? He is pretty much stuck.

If there was honestly no other way, then I'd have to say tough luck then, at least he tried which is more than I ever expected. But I can't believe that there isn't some other kind of deal that they can come up with. I mean he isn't going to any Western Conference team, and the Bulls are pretty much the only team that Kobe would agree to go to in the East, so it really all depends on how badly they want Kobe gone and want to start rebuilding.

[Ghostvirus]

After reading the Article. Paxsons logic is sound. He knows that Bus is going to drag this out, & it is going to only serve as a distraction to the Bulls.

I think what the Bulls should really consider doing is going after Gasol again. This time give them Gordon, & Wallace. Wallace was a huge mistake. This trade would also free up money to offer Deng.

[Jerry!]

Is Gasol even on the block anymore?

[Ben Urich]

After reading the Article. Paxsons logic is sound. He knows that Bus is going to drag this out, & it is going to only serve as a distraction to the Bulls.

I think what the Bulls should really consider doing is going after Gasol again. This time give them Gordon, & Wallace. Wallace was a huge mistake. This trade would also free up money to offer Deng.

Why would the Grizzlies do that, though? They already have Mike Miller and Juan Carlos Navarro. They don't need another gunner, so there's no use for Gordon. And a Wallace-for-Gasol (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=885~996&teams=29~4&te=&cash=) trade works financially, but not logically. Again, what use do the Grizzlies have for Wallace?

[Jerry!]

Maybe Gasol has a heart condition and the front office is worried about him not playing.

[Ben Urich]

Maybe Gasol has a heart condition and the front office is worried about him not playing.

Eddy Curry?

[Jerry!]

Hey it worked on Paxson.

[LastSunrise1981]

Here is something you still can't seem to grasp Sunrise. Kobe does not want to play for the Lakers. You can say he is a backstabber, but at the same time you can say the Lakers front office lied to him when they kept telling him that they would get him help. He wants Deng on the Bulls, he wants players around him, if he didn't he wouldn't decline the trade if Deng was involved. Do you watch any Bulls games? They lack exactly what Kobe has to offer for them. Its been the same problem since Jordan and everyone else left. They don't have that one guy.

They have all the types of players and role players that are needed to surround that go to guy, but the problem is they don't have that star player. They are missing the main component. They aren't good enough to be a team like the Pistons. That should be evident by now. And this "cemented core" looks like its cracking. Tell me Sunrise, anyone really, what do you see in Ben Gordon? What is it that I am completely missing on this guy? And don't bull**** me with "oh he is good hard working kid" crap. OK fine, is he a good basketball player? Better than Kobe? Kobe wouldn't be "riding the backs" of the Bulls, he would be leading them.

Time for some basketball knowledge here.

Kobe had that star player when he and Shaq were dominating the league. The problem is Kobe wants to be the main star, he wants to be the center of attention and refuses to give credit where credit is due.

Kobe has players around him, he just doesn't know how to blend his talents with the players around him. Do you remember the series against the Phoenix Suns? Remember when he was relating to team members and because of him relating to teammates they garnered a 3-0 advantage. Once he went away from that they lost to Phoenix.

Is Ben Gordon better than Kobe? No. Far from it. But he's young and he's still learning what it means to be an established player. But even IF Kobe went to the Bulls there's no guarantee that they'll be better then. Kobe's ego will not allow him to share any kind of spotlight or credit. If he *****ed, moaned, and complained about Shaq, what makes you think he'll get along with Deng?

I say leave Kobe where he's at and let him opt out of his contact when it runs out. This is what he wanted, this is what he got, now let him lay in his own damn bed.

[Jerry!]

"Time for some basketball knowledge"
"I say leave Kobe where he's at and let him opt out of his contract when it runs out"

Great advice. Set back the franchise's rebuilding period a few more years and in the end get nothing from the whole situation. What great knowledge.

If anything, I think Kobe knows now it will take more than just him to get a title, especially if you have to go past teams like the Spurs and Suns. And him wanting Deng on the team would make me think he would work with him. Deng has a completely different personality than Shaq, because Shaq has that ego thing going too. Deng isn't like that in the least. In fact, I don't think anyone on the Bulls has a personality similar to Shaq's.

[Ben Urich]

I say leave Kobe where he's at and let him opt out of his contact when it runs out. This is what he wanted, this is what he got, now let him lay in his own damn bed.

Kobe is the best basketball player on the planet. You can't let him just walk away for nothing. Okay? I would know.
http://bp3.blogger.com/_Md9lGb1W-3w/RhQgkElhYmI/AAAAAAAAABc/WuV_OzAb-qg/s320/shaqsign.jpg
The Lakers are better off dumping Odom and Bynum and trying to get a better complementary player with whom Kobe could work. They might as well make a run at a title.

[LastSunrise1981]

More basketball knowledge here.

Charles Barkley said it best "If Kobe wants to be traded so bad, he should waive his no trade clause."

In other words Kobe doesn't want to be traded, this is his way of throwing a major fit because he see's he can't do it alone like he originally thought. If Kobe blended his talents with the team he'd be an unstoppable player and the team would be better.

He's that damn good, but as I said, his ego won't allow him to understand the actual basic concepts of basketball.

[LastSunrise1981]

Kobe is the best basketball player on the planet. You can't let him just walk away for nothing. Okay? I would know.
http://bp3.blogger.com/_Md9lGb1W-3w/RhQgkElhYmI/AAAAAAAAABc/WuV_OzAb-qg/s320/shaqsign.jpg
The Lakers are better off dumping Odom and Bynum and trying to get a better complementary player with whom Kobe could work. They might as well make a run at a title.


He's not the best player on the planet. The best player on the planet wouldn't be *****ing the way he does. If he's the best basketball player on the planet, then what is T-Mac? What is Dirk? What is KG? What is Steve Nash? What is Wade? What is Tim Duncan?

Kobe is definitely not the best basketball player on the planet. He's one of the best, but not the best. The best player actually understands how to make their team better and not be a selfish individual player.

[Jerry!]

HE WANTS A TEAM TO BE LEFT STANDING WHEN HE GETS TRADED. Thats the whole point of why he would decline a trade if Deng was involved. You think in the West that the team the Lakers have is enough? Jordan didn't start winning championships until he had a team around him, and he was the best that ever played. He put up MVP numbers before Pippen but the Bulls didn't win anything.

[Ben Urich]

He's not the best player on the planet. The best player on the planet wouldn't be *****ing the way he does. If he's the best basketball player on the planet, then what is T-Mac? What is Dirk? What is KG? What is Steve Nash? What is Wade? What is Tim Duncan?

Kobe is definitely not the best basketball player on the planet. He's one of the best, but not the best. The best player actually understands how to make their team better and not be a selfish individual player.

No, he's the best player on the planet. When he decides he is going to score, he is going to score. When he decides that the man he is guarding is not going to score, he is not going to score. He is unstoppable.

I suppose you could say the same thing about Tim Duncan, but I tend to be biased toward wing players, so. :o

[LastSunrise1981]

HE WANTS A TEAM TO BE LEFT STANDING WHEN HE GETS TRADED. Thats the whole point of why he would decline a trade if Deng was involved. You think in the West that the team the Lakers have is enough? Jordan didn't start winning championships until he had a team around him, and he was the best that ever played. He put up MVP numbers before Pippen but the Bulls didn't win anything.

Jordan also began relating to team members. I can't believe you're arguing with me on this. Jordan had Pippen during the the rivalry with the Pistons and he was pulling a Kobe, which was why they were losing all the time.

Once he began relating to team members by passing, creating wide open shots, and still getting his points they beat the Pistons and went on to become champions. This is what separates players like Kobe from players like a Jordan, Nash, Bird, Johnson, Dirk, KG, Wade, Shaq, Duncan, and so forth. They MAKE players better and don't ***** about wanting to be the man and then crying when things don't go their way.

I respect Kobe as a talented player, but as a person he's a manipulative and selfish individual. He brought this on himself and now he's trying to do damage control.

[LastSunrise1981]

Miami are off to a good start against Detroit, Jason Williams hit a three and Ricky Davis converted assist from Williams into a breakaway slam.

Miami lead the game so far by six points. I expect this game to possibly go down to the wire.

[LastSunrise1981]

Miami is a deadly team when Jason Williams is leading the offense on a fast break opportunity. With the addition of Ricky Davis it adds more athleticism to the team and makes them younger and faster.

I also believe Smush Parker is going to make them better as well.

[Ghostvirus]

Why would the Grizzlies do that, though? They already have Mike Miller and Juan Carlos Navarro. They don't need another gunner, so there's no use for Gordon. And a Wallace-for-Gasol (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=885~996&teams=29~4&te=&cash=) trade works financially, but not logically. Again, what use do the Grizzlies have for Wallace?

I don't know. I just know that the reason why Gasol feel threw last time. Was because Paxson didn't want to give up Gordon.

Is Ben Gordon better than Kobe? No. Far from it. But he's young and he's still learning what it means to be an established player. But even IF Kobe went to the Bulls there's no guarantee that they'll be better then. Kobe's ego will not allow him to share any kind of spotlight or credit. If he *****ed, moaned, and complained about Shaq, what makes you think he'll get along with Deng?

I disagree. The only way Gordon will learn is if Skiles tells him to make better shot decisions. He Obviously isn't doing that. So I think until some one steps up. Gordon has leveled off.

More basketball knowledge here.

Charles Barkley said it best "If Kobe wants to be traded so bad, he should waive his no trade clause."

If he waived that. He could end up on a horribly crappy team, & not have a say. I can even see why he is keeping that around. I mean could you imagine if he ended up on a crapptacular team like the Mavs.*shudders*:oldrazz:

No, he's the best player on the planet. When he decides he is going to score, he is going to score. When he decides that the man he is guarding is not going to score, he is not going to score. He is unstoppable.

I suppose you could say the same thing about Tim Duncan, but I tend to be biased toward wing players, so. :o

He went 13-32 last game. So I guess you can say he can score at will 50% of the time, all the time.:o

[DarthRekal]

No, he's the best player on the planet. When he decides he is going to score, he is going to score. When he decides that the man he is guarding is not going to score, he is not going to score. He is unstoppable.

I suppose you could say the same thing about Tim Duncan, but I tend to be biased toward wing players, so. :o
STOP IT BEN... you are scaring me :ninja:

[LastSunrise1981]

Anyone watching the Miami/Detroit game? Mourning seems to be on a blocking spree. :yay:

[Jerry!]

Jordan also began relating to team members. I can't believe you're arguing with me on this. Jordan had Pippen during the the rivalry with the Pistons and he was pulling a Kobe, which was why they were losing all the time.

Once he began relating to team members by passing, creating wide open shots, and still getting his points they beat the Pistons and went on to become champions. This is what separates players like Kobe from players like a Jordan, Nash, Bird, Johnson, Dirk, KG, Wade, Shaq, Duncan, and so forth. They MAKE players better and don't ***** about wanting to be the man and then crying when things don't go their way.

I respect Kobe as a talented player, but as a person he's a manipulative and selfish individual. He brought this on himself and now he's trying to do damage control.

Even if he brought it on himself, which is debatable whether all the blame should put on him, its still in the Lakers best interests to trade him. Why do something idiotic and let him walk? They get nothing out of that. They get no young players to build around, the rebuilding period is set back a few years, it just ends up causing an even bigger problem. Thats supposed to be your idea of great basketball knowledge? Taking the personal, revenge route and in turn setting your organization back even more? If anything, thats letting Kobe do even more damage. Maybe you want to rethink that. I think you need to explain that one to me, lay down some more of your great basketball knowledge and tell me how thats the best move.

And as far as the Jordan thing goes, tell me who on the Lakers right now can compare to the kind of players Jordan had when they started winning championships? Who is their version of say a Horace Grant? Or Scottie Pippen, or Toni Kukoc or Dennis Rodman? You said if Kobe would stop being Kobe and work with the players he has, he would be near unstoppable.

[Mister J]

Anyone watching the Miami/Detroit game? Mourning seems to be on a blocking spree. :yay:
I'm watching it. 'Zo looks good, as does J-Will. I need Shaq to stop running people over and for Ricky Davis to get some control.

I can't stop laughing at the sight of Penny Hardaway in uniform.

[Ben Urich]

Shaq has no points and 3 fouls in 10 minutes.

I hope Dwight fares better. :csad:

[Mister J]

The bar's pretty low there, Ben.

[DarthRekal]

I'm watching it. 'Zo looks good, as does J-Will. I need Shaq to stop running people over and for Ricky Davis to get some control.

I can't stop laughing at the sight of Penny Hardaway in uniform.

LMAO!

Hey J i cant help but notice your CT.. has it really been 20 yrs already:huh:

I remember when they were first Introduce.. them and the magic join the Jazz as the teams NOT ending in S's crazy Floridians :woot:


anyway.. have you been a fan since they were incepted?

[Ben Urich]

The bar's pretty low there, Ben.

Yeah, well. You know. :o

[Ben Urich]

Yao Ming picked up 4 fouls in the first quarter. :huh:
Nice job of rotating there, Rick. :up:

[Mister J]

LMAO!

Hey J i cant help but notice your CT.. has it really been 20 yrs already:huh:

I remember when they were first Introduce.. them and the magic join the Jazz as the teams NOT ending in S's crazy Floridians :woot:


anyway.. have you been a fan since they were incepted?
Yep, this is season is #20, which means a commemorative patch ...and likely to return of those hideous Miami Floridian jerseys. :eek: :(

Fan since the Rothstein days. :up:

[Fran]

Pistons win 91-80 :word:

[Mister J]

Ricky Davis was the only sign of offense tonight.

Smush Parker is a piece of ****. My God, just let Penny run the backup point.

[CrypticOne]

Nuggets are 1-0!

[Ben Urich]

Ricky Davis was the only sign of offense tonight.

Smush Parker is a piece of ****. My God, just let Penny run the backup point.

Mo Williams might have helped there, although he was pretty ****ty last night. How do you tart at point guard in the NBA, play 30 minutes, and only tally 1 assist? :huh: Andrew Bogut was the Bucks' leader in assists last night. Andrew Bogut.

[omid17]

Ricky Davis was the only sign of offense tonight.

Smush Parker is a piece of ****. My God, just let Penny run the backup point.
im glad he left the lakers:woot:

[DarthRekal]

Ricky Davis was the only sign of offense tonight.

Smush Parker is a piece of ****. My God, just let Penny run the backup point.

im glad he left the lakers:woot:


:up: Kobe doesnt make players better my ARSE!:oldrazz:


anyway... sorry J hopefully wade gets back soon.. the more i have to deal with Kobe.. the more i realize i miss Shaq and wish him well:csad:



Anyways.. this year is 60 yrs of Lakers basketball





Oh My that Durant kid is gonna be special...



see Wilkins hit that half courter:wow:

[Silver Knight]

Looks like Kobe to the Bulls wont happen :(

[fu manchu]

Looks like Kobe to the Bulls wont happen :(

it wouldn't have been a good deal for either team, anyways.

[Jerry!]

Meanwhile the Bulls get bounced from the Semifinals again.

[DarthRekal]

Meanwhile the Bulls get bounced from the Semifinals again.
and the Lakers dont even make the playoffs:csad:

[fu manchu]

exactly. not a good deal.

[Jerry!]

I'm talking if the trade isn't done. The Bulls aren't going anywhere.

[Silver Knight]

Kobe needs to leave L.A asap.

Seriously now..

[fu manchu]

I'm talking if the trade isn't done. The Bulls aren't going anywhere.

oh......from what i seen, the bulls would give up a whole lot to get Kobe. it wouldn't be good. it would be like watching the Lakers now, maybe slightly better. :csad:

[Silver Knight]

BTW Davis looked good out there tonite for the Heat.

Very nice pick up indeed.

[cookiva]

Yeah, but its Ricky Davis. Something is going to go bad for him, and its all downhill from there.

[Ghostvirus]

oh......from what i seen, the bulls would give up a whole lot to get Kobe. it wouldn't be good. it would be like watching the Lakers now, maybe slightly better. :csad:

Oh but can't you see Kobe is the immortal one. He is the chosen one. He is our savior. He is the one that can bring it all home. He is a god among men. He is the king of kings. he is....blah, blah, blah, blah.:whatever:

[Jerry!]

oh......from what i seen, the bulls would give up a whole lot to get Kobe. it wouldn't be good. it would be like watching the Lakers now, maybe slightly better. :csad:

Not necessarily. Who we giving up, Ben Gordon? Joakim Noah? A rapidly declining Ben Wallace? Deng wouldn't be in the deal. Kobe wouldn't approve the trade if the Bulls give him up. Its pretty much all on how much LA wants to get rid of Kobe, how badly they want him gone, because Chicago looks like the only likely place he could end up. They aren't trading him to any team in the West. Its on LA to compromise, not the Bulls, because Kobe has the final decision on the trade.

[Jerry!]

Oh but can't you see Kobe is the immortal one. He is the chosen one. He is our savior. He is the one that can bring it all home. He is a god among men. He is the king of kings. he is....blah, blah, blah, blah.:whatever:

You must have missed the first game. Because I could have sworn that it was the same obvious weakness that killed the Bulls in that game like it has so many times before.

[Ghostvirus]

Dude, the Bulls have always had trouble in the Nets house.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I think fans like yourself are just badly wanting another Jordan. Even at the teams cost. We would be better off getting an above average scoring center. Than we would getting Kobe. A center is what we need. That is the missing ingredient to our awesome stew.

[Silver Knight]

Yeah, but its Ricky Davis. Something is going to go bad for him, and its all downhill from there.
So far so good.

Woth the Celtics beating the Wiz tomorow thats a poor start for them goin 0-2.

[NewYorkSpider]

Gilbert Arenas says the Wizards will win tommorrow. I wouldn't be making claims and predictions like that at the begining of a season when you haven't even seen a team play at full strength. I mean we've only seen the Celtics in preseason.

[Silver Knight]

Celtics by 10 at least.

[Jerry!]

Dude, the Bulls have always had trouble in the Nets house.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I think fans like yourself are just badly wanting another Jordan. Even at the teams cost. We would be better off getting an above average scoring center. Than we would getting Kobe. A center is what we need. That is the missing ingredient to our awesome stew.

No, fans like me are just getting tired of Paxson dropping the ball with his team because there is potential here but he has failed to take the next step. Passed on Gasol and Garnett and now he couldn't sign Deng or Gordon (Gordon which I don't really care about, but he seems too). So all that talk about keeping the core of the team together looks like is going to be extremely tough to do, especially if Deng has a year similar to and probably even better than last season. At this point I can only hope for home town discount mercy from Deng, because otherwise who knows if Paxson wants to or is even able to compete with the other teams out there that will be gunning for him. And hopefully Gray can do a good enough job at center, because Wallace won't be sticking around for much longer. You keep talking about the future, now its been severely jeopardized. I wouldn't blame Deng if he didn't want to re-sign next season with the Bulls.

This is basically it. Because of what happened and because of the uncertainty with Deng and Gordon, this season will either send the Bulls as far as they have been since Jordan was here, or the organization will be sent back a few more years and maybe even more into another rebuilding stage. You cannot honestly tell me they can play like the Pistons of a few years ago. They just don't have that kind of talent and thats the only way they would be able to truly succeed be able to contend for a title with the kind of team they have. Either Paxson makes a move, or its going to be the same thing all over again, except this time next year the Bulls won't be seen as an up and coming team anymore because Deng will be gone and Gordon will be gone and who knows what happens with Wallace. Theres not going to be "an awesome brew" anymore.

Fans like you put too much hope in this fun, exciting, rag tag team that we have here. I admit I can get caught up in watching them play too, they are fun to watch no doubt. But they don't have enough. Playoff experience isn't going to cut it, they just flat out need more talent. I'm sorry but thats what it comes down to. And now the clock is ticking.

[Ghostvirus]

No, fans like me are just getting tired of Paxson dropping the ball with his team because there is potential here but he has failed to take the next step. Passed on Gasol and Garnett and now he couldn't sign Deng or Gordon (Gordon which I don't really care about, but he seems too). So all that talk about keeping the core of the team together looks like is going to be extremely tough to do, especially if Deng has a year similar to and probably even better than last season. At this point I can only hope for home town discount mercy from Deng, because otherwise who knows if Paxson wants to or is even able to compete with the other teams out there that will be gunning for him. And hopefully Gray can do a good enough job at center, because Wallace won't be sticking around for much longer. You keep talking about the future, now its been severely jeopardized. I wouldn't blame Deng if he didn't want to re-sign next season with the Bulls.

This is basically it. Because of what happened and because of the uncertainty with Deng and Gordon, this season will either send the Bulls as far as they have been since Jordan was here, or the organization will be sent back a few more years and maybe even more into another rebuilding stage. You cannot honestly tell me they can play like the Pistons of a few years ago. They just don't have that kind of talent and thats the only way they would be able to truly succeed be able to contend for a title with the kind of team they have. Either Paxson makes a move, or its going to be the same thing all over again, except this time next year the Bulls won't be seen as an up and coming team anymore because Deng will be gone and Gordon will be gone and who knows what happens with Wallace. Theres not going to be "an awesome brew" anymore.

Fans like you put too much hope in this fun, exciting, rag tag team that we have here. I admit I can get caught up in watching them play too, they are fun to watch no doubt. But they don't have enough. Playoff experience isn't going to cut it, they just flat out need more talent. I'm sorry but thats what it comes down to. And now the clock is ticking.

Ok then. Take Kobe out of the equation. What do you suggest they do? Garnett is out. Gasol I guess is out. What should Paxson do?

I honestly feel that unlike Gasol, & Garnett. He really tried to get Kobe, but Kobe wanting Deng to stay killed any potential that deal had.

[Silver Knight]

I dont know, I honestly dont.

[Fran]

I hope the Bulls get Kobe, so the Pistons can kick his ass again in the playoffs :yellow:

[Ghostvirus]

Hardee, Harr.:oldrazz:

[Trainwreck2100]

I hope the Bulls get Kobe, so the Pistons can kick his ass again in the playoffs :yellow:

I he gets that far

[DarbyD53]

Gilbert Arenas says the Wizards will win tommorrow. I wouldn't be making claims and predictions like that at the begining of a season when you haven't even seen a team play at full strength. I mean we've only seen the Celtics in preseason.


From Gil's Blog:

"When I said we were going to beat the Celtics (http://www.nba.com/blog/gilbert_arenas.html#070928_01) on November 2, was that really a prediction? I don’t think I wanted to say, “Hey, we’re going to play Boston and we’re going to lose!”


He goes on talking about Boston looks really good on paper and will be hard to bear and so on.

What do you want him to say? "oh no we are going to get killed by a team that hasn't played a regular season game together" As a NBA player you have to go into every game thinking you will win. Though I know the Kings can not think that

[Jerry!]

Ok then. Take Kobe out of the equation. What do you suggest they do? Garnett is out. Gasol I guess is out. What should Paxson do?

I honestly feel that unlike Gasol, & Garnett. He really tried to get Kobe, but Kobe wanting Deng to stay killed any potential that deal had.

I didn't say anything about Kobe in that post, but thats basicially what its going to come down to this season. He had the chances to get Gasol and Garnett in the past, he should have tried, but he didn't. The situation with the Kobe trade I can understand, I still believe its possible to get him, but the ball is in the Laker's court on that one, not Paxson. Lets see how bad they want him out of LA. The thing is he has had those opportunities before Kobe to get that one player they needed. Couple that with the mishandling of Eddy Curry which led to this situation with a declining Wallace, and now Ben Gordon and their best player in Luol Deng may not be with the team next season which equals a pretty major **** up thats why I'm upset. Paxson has only himself to blame for the situation the Bulls are in now. He has pretty much, whether he realizes it or not, put himself into a corner where its either Kobe or bust for the next few years at least. Like you said, the options are limited. And thats entirely his fault.

[Silver Knight]

Gil needs to shut up and play.

[Ghostvirus]

I didn't say anything about Kobe in that post, but thats basicially what its going to come down to this season. He had the chances to get Gasol and Garnett in the past, he should have tried, but he didn't. The situation with the Kobe trade I can understand, I still believe its possible to get him, but the ball is in the Laker's court on that one, not Paxson. Lets see how bad they want him out of LA. The thing is he has had those opportunities before Kobe to get that one player they needed. Couple that with the mishandling of Eddy Curry which led to this situation with a declining Wallace, and now Ben Gordon and their best player in Luol Deng may not be with the team next season which equals a pretty major **** up thats why I'm upset. Paxson has only himself to blame for the situation the Bulls are in now. He has pretty much, whether he realizes it or not, put himself into a corner where its either Kobe or bust for the next few years at least. Like you said, the options are limited. And thats entirely his fault.

Remember Paxson built this team. He isn't a moron.

I think the main problem that I see is favortism. Stern needs to get a grip on that. I don't think it is at all a coincidence that Kevin Mchale, & Ainge ended up sealing a deal.:whatever:

Its hard to make trades when all the vets are helping each other out. If only Gasol played for Charlotte.:csad:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Damn Warriors. UGH, I don't think they are going to make the playoffs this year. Sadly....:(

[DarthRekal]

Damn Warriors. UGH, I don't think they are going to make the playoffs this year. Sadly....:(
there's one more slot open for US :up: thanks BH!.... sorry bro :cwink:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

No worries, I just don't think they can compete in the even deeper west this year.

IMHO here are the teams that already have their spots locked up barring a major collapse on the scale of historic. These teams have a 100% chance of making the playoffs IMHO.

Spurs
Mavs
Suns
Jazz
Rockets

Teams competing for the last three spots that have the best chance to make it.

Nuggets
Hornets
Lakers
Grizzlies

Teams that can slide in there somewhere:

Clippers
Warriors
Blazers
Sonics
Timberwolves

It just looks like the Warriors have a really tough road ahead of them to make it in this year and they didn't improve enough to make it there. They still do not have a strong powerful big man and their vets are aging and have nagging injury problems.

Harrington, Piertrus and Barnes all need to step huge and show everyone that they can really play in this league and are more than just a run and gun team that lives and dies by the three.

Hopefully Ellis found himself in the off season, we all know he can play in the regular season and we all know that he vanished like a fart in the wind come playoffs. So I hope he took the off season not to just work on his game but also to get his head straight.

[Ben Urich]

You forgot the Kings. :o

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

You forgot the Kings. :o

Yeah they ain't doing ****. :D

I know I have the entire West with the exception of the Kings making it, but they all do have at the very least an outside shot of making it.

The Blazers, Sonics and Timberwolves with the least chance, but they did make some moves and have a much better shot at making it than the Kings.

[Ben Urich]

Yeah they ain't doing ****. :D

I know I have the entire West with the exception of the Kings making it, but they all do have at the very least an outside shot of making it.

The Blazers, Sonics and Timberwolves with the least chance, but they did make some moves and have a much better shot at making it than the Kings.

The Blazers, Sonics, Wolves, and Clippers are lottery locks. They have no shot whatsoever.

The same holds true for Philadelphia in the East.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

The Blazers, Sonics, Wolves, and Clippers are lottery locks. They have no shot whatsoever.

The same holds true for Philadelphia in the East.

The Blazers have a solid starting four that have great potential in the next several years. The Clippers the year before last were a strong dominate team in the west. They have close to the same players from that playoff run and if Kaman gets his head out of his ass unlike last year, which so far all reports indicate he has his act together and Brand comes back healthy they have a legitimate shot of making the playoffs this year.

The Sonics and Wolves have a better shot than the Kings. The Kings will be one of the bottom four teams in the west this year.

[BubbaGump]

Inside the NBA was hilarious last night. :yay:

[Ghostvirus]

I am sitting here listening to Gordon light it up, & I can't help be sad that if he was actaully taller. He could very well be just as good as Kobe. It is his height that gets in the way. Once Gordon figures out a way around his height issues. He could be formidable.

[DarthRekal]

I am sitting here listening to Gordon light it up, & I can't help be sad that if he was actaully taller. He could very well be just as good as Kobe. It is his height that gets in the way. Once Gordon figures out a way around his height issues. He could be formidable.
dont try to sell us Lakers fans on him :cmad:


let him score 81 and 62 and hit MUTIPLE clutch shots.. then we will think about tradin ya straight up :oldrazz:

[Ghostvirus]

He is to short to bust out that many points. Also there are other players on the team, so he doesn't need to hog it up like that.:oldrazz:

[Jerry!]

But see thats the thing with Gordon, he never has consistency. He can score 30-40 points one game and the next game without warning he will drop a 7. And defense? Forget about it. I'm more impressed with Tyrus Thomas. 20 points, 10 REBs so far with a few blocks. Most importantly he has been hitting that mid range jumper. Looks like he wasn't lying.

[Fran]

Pistons look pretty damn good so far. I know I know, only two games, but pretty nice 2-0 start. :up:

[Ben Urich]

Ugh (http://www.thirdquartercollapse.com/story/2007/11/2/21414/9859).

[Mister J]

Miami just collapsed in the last two minutes and squander a 82-75 lead. Thank Zeus Flash got cleared today. The team has no identity otherwise. Cook was a pleasant surprise. That type of effort on the perimeter will be needed.

Shaquille ...seriously, come on. :dry:

[AhabTheArab]

boston dominated.

[omid17]

Agent 0 can kiss my ass

[Ben Urich]

Miami just collapsed in the last two minutes and squander a 82-75 lead. Thank Zeus Flash got cleared today. The team has no identity otherwise. Cook was a pleasant surprise. That type of effort on the perimeter will be needed.

Shaquille ...seriously, come on. :dry:

Only 3 more years at $20 million per. :up:

[LastSunrise1981]

Damn, how in the hell did we lose to the Hawks? Did the Mavericks forget that there was a game today? Very disappointing today. The Hawks is a team you have to beat and Dallas needs to stop losing to the weaker teams.

[Mister J]

Only 3 more years at $20 million per. :up:
35 or not, his two games have been abysmal. He had a nice run in the late 3rd/early 4th last night when they climbed back into the game, but all I could gather from ESPN GameCast tonight were fouls. That ain't gonna get it.

Miami also needs to find an answer at defending the 3. Tayshaun Prince is one thing; Danny friggin' Granger is another. Un-bloody-acceptable.

And what the hell happened in Atlanta tonight? :huh:

[LastSunrise1981]

35 or not, his two games have been abysmal. He had a nice run in the late 3rd/early 4th last night when they climbed back into the game, but all I could gather from ESPN GameCast tonight were fouls. That ain't gonna get it.

Miami also needs to find an answer at defending the 3. Tayshaun Prince is one thing; Danny friggin' Granger is another. Un-bloody-acceptable.

And what the hell happened in Atlanta tonight? :huh:

My guess is Dallas forgot that there was a game today. I hate it when they lose games to weaker teams.

[Jerry!]

Ben Gordon is just killing the Bulls with all these late turnovers. What is that, 3 now in the last three possessions down the court?

[Ben Urich]

Atlanta isn't that bad. Josh Smith = :up::up::up:

Still, Dallas should have beaten them by at least 10. :o

[Silver Knight]

How about my Hawks aye!!

Great win!

Also the Celtics. Gil got what he deserved.

[Ghostvirus]

Wow...Wow.:csad:

[Jerry!]

Annnnd the Bulls lose to the 76ers. Ben Gordon, horrible. Kirk Hinrich, again, foul trouble and no consistency to his shot. Rebounding outside of Tyrus Thomas, horrible, defense, horrible. The fans near the end of the game were starting to chant "Ko-be, Ko-be".

[Fran]

:yellow:

Let him come.

[Jerry!]

I don't see how we can continue to rely on Ben Gordon in crucial times. In the 4th quarter the Bulls came to within 2 points. Ben Gordon, 3 or 4 times on consecutive trips down the court either turned the ball over, got it blocked or made horrible shot selection. Ben you CANNOT FLY OVER DALEMBERT. He is 2 feet taller than you.

[Ghostvirus]

Annnnd the Bulls lose to the 76ers. Ben Gordon, horrible. Kirk Hinrich, again, foul trouble and no consistency to his shot. Rebounding outside of Tyrus Thomas, horrible, defense, horrible. The fans near the end of the game were starting to chant "Ko-be, Ko-be".

So this is how it is going to be all season huh?:dry:

Me: I guess Gordon can't play do to stomach issues.

Patent Pending: See this is why we need Kobe! His nipples despence life giving man milk that can help with just these things!

I think Kobe has already tore up this team. All this hoopla about him has definetely become a destraction, & the people chanting his name doesn't help them either. We are going to run Deng out of town. If the fans keep this up.

[Fran]

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[Jerry!]

So this is how it is going to be all season huh?:dry:

Me: I guess Gordon can't play do to stomach issues.

Patent Pending: See this is why we need Kobe! His nipples despence life giving man milk that can help with just these things!

I think Kobe has already tore up this team. All this hoopla about him has definetely become a destraction, & the people chanting his name doesn't help them either. We are going to run Deng out of town. If the fans keep this up.

Yeah because Kobe Bryant made Ben Gordon try to shoot over Dalembert? Are you ****ing serious? He has been making those kind of bad decisions since he started playing for the Bulls. EVERYTHING I MENTIONED has been a problem with the Bulls for the last few seasons before any of this trade talk. Its not all just coming up right now. This is the way its been. Are you just realizing that now? Besides, Paxson said there is no deal happening. The fans are just getting tired of this. Tyrus Thomas didn't seem to be affected by any of the trade talk even though he has been mentioned in them.

[Silver Knight]

Bulls need to make this trade..

[omid17]

Bulls need to make this trade..they aren't, don't waste your time thinking about it, and they made it clear today that nothing is going to happen between the bulls and the lakers

[Jerry!]

I know. Its going to be a long season.

[omid17]

I know. Its going to be a long season.very long

[Ghostvirus]

God. I have really, really, really, had it with all this Kobe crap! He isn't the end all be all answer for this team, & like it or not. Talking about it is a distraction!

Do the Bulls need to make some changes? Absolutely, but Kobe isn't going to be one of them, so shut the hell up about it! The crowd chanting Kobe is just wrong. Say what you want, but this team doesn't need Kobe. What they need:

1. Put Wallace on the trading block now! & hopefully get some inside scoring (which is what they need.)

2. I am really starting to question Scott Skiles. Noah, & Gray either didn't make an appearance tonight, or made a cameo. There is a great coach out there right now. I say Hire Brown.

3. Get Wallace the hell off the floor. Lets see what Noah, & Gray can do. Tyrus has already proven himself to be a potential starter. Lets fill that center position. I know Noah isn't technically a Center, but he is 7 feet.

4. Go out, & get an inside scorer. NOW!

[Mister J]

Nobody's biting on that Wallace contract.

...then again, someone took Antoine Walker. :confused:
But seriously, even Kevin McHale has to have his limits.

[Jerry!]

Noah was still hurt, listed as inactive for the game. He wasn't dressed for it. And Paxson had those chances to inside scoring and he blew them. What do you think you're going to get for Wallace alone? You're going to have to give up someone else to get a good, worthy inside scorer. He had a chance to get Randolph as well in the offseason but that didn't happen and it won't happen now. People are mad about the Kobe situation because its more or less the only chance this season. Who else are you going to get? Has there even been any talks about ANYONE else? Fans are pissed because they can see that they have the pieces to the puzzle but the guy putting them together can't figure out the big picture. In the end it will be looked upon as a team that had the potential, but didn't have the initiative in the front office to take the additional steps needed.

You might not be happy about it MC, but Kobe is more or less what it comes down to this season and for the future of this incarnation of the Bulls team. Paxson has put himself and the team in this situation. Kobe being the only answer is Paxson's fault for not pulling the trigger on getting any of the other stars that were available.

[NewYorkSpider]

What do you want him to say? "oh no we are going to get killed by a team that hasn't played a regular season game together" As a NBA player you have to go into every game thinking you will win. Though I know the Kings can not think that

I would want him to keep his mouth shut and play basketball. No, I don't want him to say they are going to lose to another team. Yes, as an NBA player or any pro athlete you want to think you can win against a team, not say it out loud.

[fu manchu]

Wow.......Lakers are beating the Suns.......by over 30 pts!! :eek::up:

[LastSunrise1981]

Wow.......Lakers are beating the Suns.......by over 30 pts!! :eek::up:

See? So I take it the Lakers actually slowed down the tempo of the game and are forcing the Suns to actually set up their offense? Rather than trying to outrun them and outscore them.

[L.A.]

\ The Clippers the year before last were a strong dominate team in the west. They have close to the same players from that playoff run and if Kaman gets his head out of his ass unlike last year, which so far all reports indicate he has his act together and Brand comes back healthy they have a legitimate shot of making the playoffs this year.
Damn If Kaman is playing like he today throughout the season, than they will defintely make the playoffs!

[Ben Urich]

Hawks beat the Mavs.
Vlad Rad leads the Lakers in scoring. In the same game, Steve Nash has only 3 assists.
The Pacers wore bright yellow alts for a game against the Heat.
The Nets lost by 40 (or so).

In summation: what the ****.

[BubbaGump]

Lakers' basket was rigged with a magnet. That is all. :cmad:

[L.A.]

Hawks beat the Mavs.
Vlad Rad leads the Lakers in scoring. In the same game, Steve Nash has only 3 assists.
The Pacers wore bright yellow alts for a game against the Heat.
The Nets lost by 40 (or so).

In summation: what the ****.
You forgot to add Kaman with 26 pts and 18 rebs in a win!!!:eek:

[Ghostvirus]

Noah was still hurt, listed as inactive for the game. He wasn't dressed for it. And Paxson had those chances to inside scoring and he blew them. What do you think you're going to get for Wallace alone? You're going to have to give up someone else to get a good, worthy inside scorer. He had a chance to get Randolph as well in the offseason but that didn't happen and it won't happen now. People are mad about the Kobe situation because its more or less the only chance this season. Who else are you going to get? Has there even been any talks about ANYONE else? Fans are pissed because they can see that they have the pieces to the puzzle but the guy putting them together can't figure out the big picture. In the end it will be looked upon as a team that had the potential, but didn't have the initiative in the front office to take the additional steps needed.

You might not be happy about it MC, but Kobe is more or less what it comes down to this season and for the future of this incarnation of the Bulls team. Paxson has put himself and the team in this situation. Kobe being the only answer is Paxson's fault for not pulling the trigger on getting any of the other stars that were available.

Whatever. I still have faith in this team. It is waivering a bit, but I still have faith. & if Kobe were to play like he did tonight, everynight on the Bulls. Then I would be more than happy to have him on the team.

[Jerry!]

And another dodge. Stop with the cliche "faith" answer. Seriously what do you expect to get for Wallace? There aren't a whole lot of great star players that can consistently be on the post and score. There was a chance to get Zach Randolph, but again like everything else, Paxson took a pass. Everyone else isn't going anywhere, who else that can score on the inside is being talked about as being possiby traded this year? No one to my knowledge. And definitely not for Ben Wallace.

We had Eddy Curry, but again, too much of a risk I guess with his heart problems, Paxson feared it could be a waste of money if he has to sit out because of it. But Wallace is more of an acceptable waste of money? Was that the logic? At least Curry has potential, Wallace is heading down the drain. Ben Wallace is good for at least five rebounds and five failed attempts at a rebound with him screaming "OHH!!" while someone else boxes him out for it. And if he is getting abused and out performed at center and on the boards now, how the **** do you expect Noah to do any better?

[Silver Knight]

What a strange day it has been..

[Ghostvirus]

And another dodge. Stop with the cliche "faith" answer.

When the sh** have I dodged a question?

Seriously what do you expect to get for Wallace? There aren't a whole lot of great star players that can consistently be on the post and score. There was a chance to get Zach Randolph, but again like everything else, Paxson took a pass. Everyone else isn't going anywhere, who else that can score on the inside is being talked about as being possiby traded this year? No one to my knowledge. And definitely not for Ben Wallace.

I have no idea what the Bulls could get for Wallace. That is why you put him on the block, & see who bites.

We had Eddy Curry, but again, too much of a risk I guess with his heart problems, Paxson feared it could be a waste of money if he has to sit out because of it. But Wallace is more of an acceptable waste of money? Was that the logic? At least Curry has potential, Wallace is heading down the drain. Ben Wallace is good for at least five rebounds and five failed attempts at a rebound with him screaming "OHH!!" while someone else boxes him out for it.

Eddie Curry had a mediocre year on a sh** team. He was bound to shine.

And if he is getting abused and out performed at center and on the boards now, how the **** do you expect Noah to do any better?

Noah is younger, better built, & just a little bit taller.

This is what pisses me off about some sports fans. They have all the answers, but don't realise that there are a lot of things that go into a trades taking place, & teams being built. The fact is there is no right answer. There is only educated guesss. That either end up being wrong, or right.

We can all look back, & nit pick at what management has done, but hindsight is 20/20. The whole system of sports is based on educated guessing, instinct, & faith. The only thing that is definete is you can't have a fear of failer.

Will Chicagos inability to obtain players be there downfall, or their saving grace. I don't know, & you sure as hell don't either. If by the end of this season they are hoisting a champioship trophy over there heads. All people will talk about is how Paxson stood his ground, & had faith in his team, & he will be praised.

If in a few years all that has happened is Chicago keeps getting kicked out of the second round of the playoffs. Paxson will be looked at as a cat that has made horrible decisions, & couldn't quite get the team over the hump.

Me personally I would like to think positively. I picture myself down the road watching the Bulls hold another trophy in air, & Paxson talking about how he believed in his team.

Why do I choose to think this way? Because I have seen enough upsets, & unbelievable occurences in sports to realise. I don't know what the future holds. & since I can't control what happens with the Bulls. I might as well have faith in the person in charge.

[The Riddler]

rockets are undefeated.

this is their year.

[Immortalfire]

Spurs 3-0 :up:

[Silver Knight]

rockets are undefeated.

this is their year.
No sir.

Celtics v Nuggets in final.

[Ben Urich]

More WTF news: Suns wore orange at home, so the Lakers wore their yellow home unis:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2291/1842375364_175288873e_o.jpg
:barf:

No sir.

Celtics v Nuggets in final.

...:dry:

[DarthRekal]

Lakers BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:woot: :woot: :woot: :wow:


Whats wrong with our Gold Uni's???


Although i like our purple on the road

[Ghostvirus]

No sir.

Celtics v Nuggets in final.

Sooo....Did you just put names in hat, & randomly select, or.....?:dry:

[Ghostvirus]

FYI - The video portion of League Pass on NBA.com is also free.

[Ben Urich]

Lakers BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:woot: :woot: :woot: :wow:


Whats wrong with our Gold Uni's???


Although i like our purple on the road

I have nothing against the Lakers' home uniforms, but I hate it when teams wear alternate uniforms at home. The Magic did it sometimes last season by wearing their black throwbacks. It pisses me off. :cmad:

[Silver Knight]

More WTF news: Suns wore orange at home, so the Lakers wore their yellow home unis:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2291/1842375364_175288873e_o.jpg
:barf:



...:dry:Why the stoneface?

Sooo....Did you just put names in hat, & randomly select, or.....?:dry:
No sir. Best in the west are them Nugs. Dont sleep.

[Ben Urich]

Why the stoneface?


No sir. Best in the west are them Nugs. Dont sleep.

They aren't even the best team in their own division. :huh:

[Fran]

:dry:

[DarthRekal]

:dry:

:dry: :dry: *staredown*

[Fran]

Let your little Bryant come to Chicago... I salivate at the opportunity to let the Pistons smoketh him once again :sym:

[DarthRekal]

Let your little Bryant come to Chicago... I salivate at the opportunity to let the Pistons smoketh him once again :sym:
NO you know what... your Pistons PISS ME OFF... they ruin our ship... then dont even help themselves.. let alone US.. in 05 with the Spurs... in 06 with Shaq... in 07 with ANYONE :cmad:

[Fran]

NO you know what... your Pistons PISS ME OFF... they ruin our ship... then dont even help themselves.. let alone US.. in 05 with the Spurs... in 06 with Shaq... in 07 with ANYONE :cmad:

1. They "ruined" your championship? Ha, more like, they earned your championship. You see how cocky Shaq was? Even HE called a sweep.
2. Don't remind me. :csad:
3. In 2006 with Dwyane Wade, not Shaq. :o
4. In 2007 with the Cleveland LeBrons.

[Ghostvirus]

Let your little Bryant come to Chicago... I salivate at the opportunity to let the Pistons smoketh him once again :sym:

Keep talkin sh**, & I might just flush.:word:

[Fran]

Keep talkin sh**, & I might just flush.:word:

I speak the truth with it comes to the Bulls.

Also, Jerry nailed it.

[DarthRekal]

1. They "ruined" your championship? Ha, more like, they earned your championship. You see how cocky Shaq was? Even HE called a sweep.
2. Don't remind me. :csad:
3. In 2006 with Dwyane Wade, not Shaq. :o
4. In 2007 with the Cleveland LeBrons.

still if you gonna be "dominant" then dominate.. dont do it half a$$ and dont let any more of our rivals win :cmad:

[Fran]

Don't you think I know that??!! :csad:

[Ben Urich]

Magic/Wizards tonight.
I have this scary feeling that Gilbert is going to come out and score 50. Or so. :o

[Silver Knight]

^No.

Magic will get the "W" and Qiz will be 0-3.

[Silver Knight]

They aren't even the best team in their own division. :huh:
Your wrong about that player.

Dont sleep on the Nuggets.

[Fran]

:dry:

[Silver Knight]

Whats the stoneface for?

[Ben Urich]

^No.

Magic will get the "W" and Qiz will be 0-3.

I hope you're right. :csad::up:

Your wrong about that player.

Dont sleep on the Nuggets.

I like the Nuggets, but they aren't going to be able to knock off the Spurs, Suns Mavs, Rockets, or Jazz in the playoffs.

[Silver Knight]

Ben who do you support?

[Ben Urich]

Ben who do you support?

Primarily the Magic, but also the Pacers to a lesser extent. And whoever is playing the Heat.

(Sorry, J. Just business. :csad:)