Official 2007-08 NBA Thread

[Ghostvirus]

REKAL!!!! Time to die!:cmad:

[Fran]

Tomorrow will be the first Pistons game I'm actually able to watch, due to coordinating schedules :csad:

[Ben Urich]

I'm watching the Bulls/Lakers game. Jesus. Chicago looks terrible.

Is tomorrow the Pistons/Celtics game? Because I'll have to tape that. :o

[Showtime]

HUGE TEST for the Celtics tomorrow night.

[Ghostvirus]

Nevermind Rekal.:csad:

[DarthRekal]

REKAL!!!! Time to die!:cmad:

Nevermind Rekal.:csad:
:bh: you wont like me when i'm angry:cmad:




what happened to your Road Dawg SIlver Knight.:huh:

he only comments after the Lakers Lose:huh:


Cmon Fran... y'all gotta bring it tomorrow.. ima be wearin my old school...Laimbeer jersey :hehe:

[Fran]

It will be BROUGHT.

[Ben Urich]

National TV = Pistons wear red.

[Fran]

:csad:

[Ben Urich]

Unless the Celtics wear their green alts at home. Ugh. I hate it when home teams do that. You're at home. Wear WHITE! :cmad:

(Or, in the Lakers' case, yellow :o)

[DarthRekal]

(Or, in the Lakers' case, yellow :o)
DONT HATE :cmad:

[Ben Urich]

Wasn't hating. Just saying the home team should wear the lighter color. :huh:

[Silver Knight]

Gosh the Bulls suck!

[LastSunrise1981]

On NBA Coast to Coast they showed a pretty cool video package of the old Boston/Detroit rivalry from the good ol days. Obviously in this day we don't have anything cool like that in terms of great competition and trash talking backed up by both teams, but in any event, tomorrow is going to be very interesting and I hope it's a great game.

Most games that are hyped like this tend to be blowouts and I hope it's not a blow out for either team. If all goes well for both Detroit and Boston I could see them facing each other in the ECF.

[DarthRekal]

Wasn't hating. Just saying the home team should wear the lighter color. :huh:
Yeah I hate when the home team wears alternates.. and we have to wear our purple on the road :huh: :cmad:

[Super_Ludacris]

I love the Pistons but there not winning tonight. Nope, no way, no how.

[DarthRekal]

I love the Pistons but there not winning tonight. Nope, no way, no how.
Cmon Luda have faith... this is the only time.. me and you is on the same side :woot:


we BOTH hate the Celtics.. :cmad:

[Super_Ludacris]

Sheed is avoiding the paint against KG...its disgusting

[Super_Ludacris]

These refs need to chill with the Boston FTs. Paulie aint Wade

[DarthRekal]

Sheed is avoiding the paint against KG...its disgusting
he needs to take KG... Kid got heart... but thats the on part of his game thats lacking :cmad:

keep me updated Luda... i can only watch via BSPN gamecast

[Super_Ludacris]

Darth, the game is on Sopcast

[Super_Ludacris]

Jesus someone gaurd Jesus!

[Super_Ludacris]

Celts up 29-25 end of 1st.

Rodney Stuckey needs to come back soon

[Super_Ludacris]

Alonzo out with a knee injury from the Wiz-Heat game tonight

lol@ his expression. Ol'Roid Rage nicca.....

[Super_Ludacris]

Chauncey!!!!!!

[Showtime]

Good game so far. 50-42 Celtics.

[Super_Ludacris]

You know when you allow Raja Rondo to play like Wade your having a long night.

Im suprised we're not down by 20.....

[Showtime]

You know when you allow Raja Rondo to play like Wade your having a long night.

Im suprised we're not down by 20.....

Alot of talent on the floor though. Pretty entertaining game.

Although this is a test for the Celtics, even if they win, the real test is if they can take on this Pistons team in the playoffs and beat them.

[Super_Ludacris]

With Flip Saunders as our coach, I'm sure you will....

If Chicago doesnt beat us first.

[Super_Ludacris]

ugh@ the 62-39 % shooting difference.

Good Bless Chauncey's FT shooting

[Super_Ludacris]

If Tay and Sheed dont step it up, were dead. Especially Tay.

[Super_Ludacris]

Bill Walton showing his unbiasness when analyzing Celtics game I see.....

[Super_Ludacris]

Actually I cant front Bill is right about Detroit. They dont play with no fire in these big regular season games. Hence why I think there gonna lose.

Having said that 4 straight ECFs will do that....

Detroit Should beat Cleveland, Chicago, Boston or Miami in a 7 game....but they simply wont

You can bet the house on it.

[Super_Ludacris]

I'm rather impressed with the contradiction I wrote in the last post...

[Showtime]

The game is certainly still close, the Pistons are in this all the way. In regards to the playoffs, the Pistons are a seasoned playoff team. They will be fine when the postseason comes along.

[Super_Ludacris]

The thing is when the Pistons lose control of the tempo of the game, they loose regardless.
Also when Tayshaun struggles its a problem. And with him not being able to find his shot and gaurd Rondo and Allen IT IS A STRUGGLE!!!!

[Super_Ludacris]

Detroit going for the zone in the 2nd half appearntly

Well it bailed them out a lot last season

[Super_Ludacris]

lol@ Rip and Ray Ray getting into it

[Super_Ludacris]

Anyone watching Rockets-Magic on League Pass

It looks like a good one

[Steve Rogers]

Rondo is having a hell of a game. That's important.

[Super_Ludacris]

The sad part of this run is knowing we will still lose....

[Super_Ludacris]

This game is tighter than the white man's wallet

[Steve Rogers]

Damn it! It's all going to hell now.

[Super_Ludacris]

That Sheed block was kinda disrespectful

[Steve Rogers]

Allen Motherf**kers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mister J]

That Zo **** is gonna hurt. Miami struggles enough on defense as it is.

[Super_Ludacris]

Its official god hates the Pistons

[Steve Rogers]

Its official god hates the PistonsEven I'll admit one of Allen's 3's was really a 2. And Garnett got a freebie too.

[NewYorkSpider]

Great game in Boston.

[LastSunrise1981]

Great to see a close game that shows both teams giving it their all and leaving it on the court. I truly did not see Ray Allen making that three at all, seeing as he appeared to be off balance in the process.

This is definitely throwback to the old NBA days of the classic Boston/Detroit games.

[Steve Rogers]

I understand Pierce is the closer go to guy, but why would they have gone to him to win it? He had a horrible game tonight.

[Steve Rogers]

Game over. No way Billups is gonna miss these free throws.

[NewYorkSpider]

The Celtics were stupid to leave time on the clock.

[Steve Rogers]

The Celtics were stupid to leave time on the clock.They were stupid to go to Pierce. He was awful all night, while Allen was red hot. Whatever.

[Super_Ludacris]

Chauncey>>>> Your Favourite PG

[Super_Ludacris]

Great to see a close game that shows both teams giving it their all and leaving it on the court. I truly did not see Ray Allen making that three at all, seeing as he appeared to be off balance in the process.

This is definitely throwback to the old NBA days of the classic Boston/Detroit games.

A Boston-Detroit ECF would be the perfect meat between 2 breads of Iron Man and TDK for a summer sandwhich.

[rdh007]

Chauncey>>>> Your Favourite PG
He is a smooth operator, I will say that. Though the MVP might have something to say as well.

[Super_Ludacris]

People shouldnt forget about Chauncey when they talk about the elite point gaurds in the league. Dude was an MVP candidate 2 years ago and has a ring. His whole flow controls Detroits tempo. When hes on, there great, when he struggles the whole team is out of sync.

[Ghostvirus]

Good game between the Celts, & Pistons. Although I do think that if the shooter jumps into the defender the way Billups did. That shouldn't be a foul, but that is neither here nor there. Still a good game.

Also the Bulls won, so....:up::woot:

[NewYorkSpider]

They were stupid to go to Pierce. He was awful all night, while Allen was red hot. Whatever.

Yeah, they had 5.1 seconds on the clock and could've got it to Allen. Just some horrible decisions in the end.

[Super_Ludacris]

Good game between the Celts, & Pistons. Although I do think that if the shooter jumps into the defender the way Billups did. That shouldn't be a foul, but that is neither here nor there. Still a good game.

Also the Bulls won, so....:up::woot:

How can you not? It aint like Allen was planted in the lane.

I think good teams will do what the Pistons did when Rondo goes to the bench, just trap and press the ***** out of them, thats what the Pistons used to do to the Heat when Damon Jones was running point. Eddie House cannot handle a trap at all, dude looked like a deer in headlights.

[Fran]

Doc Rivers isn't that good of a coach in the clutch.

Great game, knew it was over when that guy fouled Chauncey :up:

You wanna win a championship? Gotta go through Detroit.

"Good Luck :csad:"

[Ben Urich]

Chauncey>>>> Your Favourite PG

Unless your favorite point guard is Steve Nash or Chris Paul. :o

[Ben Urich]

Good game between the Celts, & Pistons. Although I do think that if the shooter jumps into the defender the way Billups did. That shouldn't be a foul, but that is neither here nor there. Still a good game.

Also the Bulls won, so....:up::woot:

No no no no. Billups didn't jump into Allen. He faked, Allen jumped, and landed on Billups. That's a foul on Allen. Billups didn't initiate the contact.

What you're talking about is the **** Reggie Miller used to pull. But Reggie's my all-time favorite player, so. :o

[NewYorkSpider]

Cavs lost to the Knicks by 18 WITH LeBron James. :dry:

[Docker2.0]

On a lighter note, the Knicks win. :) meaning they will probably lose their next 3 games! Curry needs to go.

[LastSunrise1981]

Dallas/Phoenix is going down to the wire right now. Dallas is up by three and then managed to escape a very deadly looking three pointer by Nash which would've tied the game.

Wow, I'm still trying to catch my breath. When that shot left Nash's hand I literally thought that was going in because he had a great look and it just happened to be an airball. Needless to say this was a BIG game that we needed to pick up and I'm glad we picked it up.

Great clutch fourth quarter from Dirk.

[Silver Knight]

Chauncey>>>> Your Favourite PG
False.

Airball by Nash on the final shot of the game..

[LastSunrise1981]

False.

Airball by Nash on the final shot of the game..

It was an airball but my heart was beating extremely fast when that ball left his hand. There was a definite sense of dread as he shot it because it looked like it was on target and he had a great look when he managed to break free from I think it was Terry or Howard.

In any event, I'm glad to see both teams give it their all and left it on the court. It's rare that the NBA has two close great games that had exciting finishes that went down to the buzzer. But anyone who loves or understands basketball will appreciate how Dallas/Phoenix play against each other.

Very fast paced athletic basketball that is exciting for all of the fans and the analysts who cover the games. One thing that I've definitely noticed is how much Amare makes a difference for Phoenix. I've always known he was a hugh asset to the team, however, it's becoming more apparent just how important he is when Phoenix comes back from being down double digits.

[NewYorkSpider]

The Suns and Mavs always have exciting games. I'd love to see them meet in the playoffs this year.

[LastSunrise1981]

The Suns and Mavs always have exciting games. I'd love to see them meet in the playoffs this year.

If all goes well for Dallas and Phoenix, they'll definitely meet in the playoffs for the WCF. Hopefully both teams manage to stay healthy when they meet up for the inevitable confrontation.

Because let's face it, the road to the championship goes through San Antonio or Phoenix. Those are the two top elite teams that are sure to be there in the end and will not go quietly that's for sure.

[NewYorkSpider]

If all goes well for Dallas and Phoenix, they'll definitely meet in the playoffs for the WCF. Hopefully both teams manage to stay healthy when they meet up for the inevitable confrontation.

Because let's face it, the road to the championship goes through San Antonio or Phoenix. Those are the two top elite teams that are sure to be there in the end and will not go quietly that's for sure.

Alot of people say the Spurs are the best in the West, but I disagree. I think Phoenix or Dallas should be considerd as the top team(watching tonights game it would be Dallas). But all three of those teams could be considerd the best.

The Trailblazers have won 9 in a row?:huh:

I hope are avvys aren't screwing people up. :oldrazz:

[LastSunrise1981]

Alot of people say the Spurs are the best in the West, but I disagree. I think Phoenix or Dallas should be considerd as the top team(watching tonights game it would be Dallas). But all three of those teams could be considerd the best.

The Trailblazers have won 9 in a row?:huh:

I hope are avvys aren't screwing people up. :oldrazz:

Hahaha, good point. :up: :up:

[Ghostvirus]

No no no no. Billups didn't jump into Allen. He faked, Allen jumped, and landed on Billups. That's a foul on Allen. Billups didn't initiate the contact.

What you're talking about is the **** Reggie Miller used to pull. But Reggie's my all-time favorite player, so. :o

No Billups clearly jumps into Allen. It even looks like Allen wouldn't have even hit him. Had Billups not jumped forward.

This isn't something I am passionate about. I just think it is a little goofy. I mean the shooter is initiating the contact not the defender. Once he has left ground there nothing he can do.

Oh yeah, & Reggie can suck my taint!:cmad::ninja:

[Fran]

Well it's stupid of Allen to be in a fouling-possibility in the first place, especially facing a huge clutch shooter.

[Ghostvirus]

I honestly think Dallas learned from last year. I think they burned themselves out in the regular season, & had little left for the playoffs. I think this year they are just playing it calm, & relaxed in the regular, so that they can go full steam in the playoffs. Same with the Suns.

I don't get this crap about the Spurs. If it weren't for Sterns stupid ass rule enforcement. The Suns would have won last year.

[Ghostvirus]

Well it's stupid of Allen to be in a fouling-possibility in the first place, especially facing a huge clutch shooter.

Agreed it was a bad mistake to leave the ground like that in clutch time.

[Fran]

Boston HAD the opportunities to shut down the Pistons. But again, the Pistons deserved to win. Didn't give up, especially after Chauncey giving up the ball with 5 secs left.

It's the Celtics fault for fouling Chauncey, but the Pistons earned this game.

[Ghostvirus]

Yeah, it will certainly be an interesting series if they meet in the playoffs.

[Ben Urich]

No Billups clearly jumps into Allen. It even looks like Allen wouldn't have even hit him. Had Billups not jumped forward.

This isn't something I am passionate about. I just think it is a little goofy. I mean the shooter is initiating the contact not the defender. Once he has left ground there nothing he can do.

Oh yeah, & Reggie can suck my taint!:cmad::ninja:

...no.

[Fran]

Billups DOES NOT jump into Allen. Allen fell onto him!

[NewYorkSpider]

I just watched the highlights again of the Celtics/Pistons and Allen clearly jumped onto Billups.

[Ghostvirus]

...no.

Billups DOES NOT jump into Allen. Allen fell onto him!

I just watched the highlights again of the Celtics/Pistons and Allen clearly jumped onto Billups.

Alrighty. I really didn't mean for that to be a big stink. I was just simply commenting on what I thought was a goofy call.

[Silver Knight]

How about them Blazers!

[LastSunrise1981]

How about them Blazers!

Blazers are playing great ball. I give credit to Nate McMillan for finding a way to utilize the young talent he has and didn't allow them to get discouraged because they don't have Greg Oden. Just imagine how deadly they'd be if they had Oden in the line-up! :wow:

[LastSunrise1981]

Cool video of Nash with the SAW theme used.

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[Ghostvirus]

So I guess Philly J. was asked about the Kobe/Bulls situation, & he said that that chapter is far from closed.:dry:

I wonder if Paxson just wants to see how well Da Bulls can do before the trade deadline, & then make a decision then. As it stands right now, & the way Kobe is playing I wouldn't mind having him on the team.

& if the Bulls keep playing like this. Paxson will probably make the move.

[LastSunrise1981]

So I guess Philly J. was asked about the Kobe/Bulls situation, & he said that that chapter is far from closed.:dry:

I wonder if Paxson just wants to see how well Da Bulls can do before the trade deadline, & then make a decision then. As it stands right now, & the way Kobe is playing I wouldn't mind having him on the team.

& if the Bulls keep playing like this. Paxson will probably make the move.

If he continues relating to his team then yes he would make Chicago extremely better.

[Ghostvirus]

The problem is the IF he continues. He has pulled this stunt before.

[DarthRekal]

PISTONS BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:woot: :cmad: :woot:



now time to go back to the hate wagon :cmad: :brucebat:

[omid17]

i hope Lakers eff up the Cavs tonight.

[DarthRekal]

i hope Lakers eff up the Cavs tonight.
:up:

[Jerry!]

The problem is the IF he continues. He has pulled this stunt before.


Unless Kobe wants to go a team that is now in an even worse situation than everyone originally anticipated his Lakers to be in, I don't think a trade will happen. What do the Lakers see in the Bulls right now? You think they are sold on any of them? I wouldn't be. Then again, I wouldn't have been before the season either, but apparently Ben Gordon has mystical powers that make people see potential where there is none.

[NewYorkSpider]

Cavs really need this game tonight.

[NewYorkSpider]

Huge win for the Cavaliers tonight. Hopefully we can build some momentum and climb the standings. I think we can catch Toronto for the 4th seed. Orlando, Detroit and Boston are separating themselves from the rest of the east.

[L.A.]

heartbreaking loss for the rockets!!! Great game though...

[DarthRekal]

:csad:

[Ben Urich]

I'm gonna miss 'Zo, and I don't even like the Heat.

Thanks for the memories. :up: See you in the rafters. :up:

And now, Ira Winderman's Top 10 Reasons why the Heat Suck (http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_basketball_heat/2007/12/you-know-youre.html) (I may have paraphrased that title :o)



Earl Barron is your backup center, and it's not summer league.
Your backup point guard can't even get the keys to his car, let alone the keys to the offense.
Chris Quinn's ankle injury actually is a major concern.
Sacramento privately snickers when presented with your trade offers for Ron Artest.
Your starting center has fouled out of a career-high four consecutive games.
Alonzo Mourning, in a hard cast, might still actually be more mobile than the aforementioned starting center.
Your designated shooting specialist (Luke Jackson) has more 3-pointers for the Idaho Stampede, even though he played only one game there.
You actually miss the youthful vitality of Penny Hardaway.
You traded Antoine Walker and are starting to look like you got the worst of the deal.
Even Pat Riley wouldn't dump this on Ron Rothstein.

[Ghostvirus]

Thanks For The Memories Zobot.

*does the Zobot out of thread*

[Fran]

So how badly will the Bulls lose tonight? I say 15.

[DarthRekal]

Thanks ZO :up:

nice artcile Ben :woot:

we never even got that bad WITHOUT Shaq :grin:

[DarthRekal]

CMON CHICAGO!:woot:

[Jerry!]

I'm rooting for a respectable loss. Within 10. Hopefully. And here is hoping Posey doesn't try breaking somebody's nose.

[DarthRekal]

I'm rooting for a respectable loss. Within 10. Hopefully. And here is hoping Posey doesn't try breaking somebody's nose.
its not happening :cmad: :csad: :cmad:

[Ghostvirus]

godamnit.:csad:

I am really getting tired of this Bulls team...really f***ing tired.

[LastSunrise1981]

Wow, did anyone see that block by Stackhouse? Talk about a major hustle on the part of Jerry. I sincerely hope we actually win this game against the Clippers and don't blow it like we have against other teams.

[Silver Knight]

How bout them Bulls...

Amazing!

[Ben Urich]

I went to the Magic game tonight. Ugh. Paul Millsap? Really? Rashard Lewis couldn't even guard Paul Millsap?! :dry:

:down: 5-6 at home. *****es.

[Fran]

How bout them Bulls...

Amazing!

Are you joking? :huh:

[Ben Urich]

Silver Knight is to the internet what Jason Collins is to basketball.

Sick burn. :o

[LastSunrise1981]

Good win by Dallas tonight against the Clippers. Seems like they're starting to play a lot better by increasing their defense, taking better shots, and not coming in with a lazy work ethic, thinking that they'll be able to turn it on in the fourth quarter and outscore the opponent.

In any event, great to see them continue to defend their homecourt. Now it's time for them to go out on the road and hopefully garner up some wins without burning themselves out.

[Ghostvirus]

Are you joking? :huh:

Since it is him. Probably not.

[Silver Knight]

Are you joking? :huh:You heard of sarcasim?

Silver Knight is to the internet what Jason Collins is to basketball.

Sick burn. :o
Shut your hole.

[Ghostvirus]

HAHAH you are a cute kid.

[Silver Knight]

Yes and your ugly.

Lets get back on topic shall we.

BTW did I mention the Bulls suck?

[Super_Ludacris]

Not that anyone here cares but it was really great to see the young bench of the Pistons get some minutes tonight against the grizz and run n gun. Rodney Stuckey made his debut tonight and he looked good but Aaron Affalo was balling on these dudes, that 3 point play he made at the 4th was nice.

Detroit is gonna be fine after the core gets old, Stuckey, Amir Johnson, Jason Maxell and Affalo gon carry on tradition.

[Silver Knight]

^Does not matter because they will not win the chip.

[Super_Ludacris]

Who's your team? lol

[Jerry!]

Fran never heard of sarcasm so he got banned.

But there was one redeeming thing in watching the Bulls get destroyed tonight and that was listening to Johhy "Red" Kerr on the Chicago broadcast say during one of the (many) bad Bulls possessions:

"Run Ben, run, woah wait.. (Gordon passes ball right to a Celtic defender)...WATCH IT! OHHHH CHRIST!"

[Silver Knight]

Who's your team? lol
12/30 = 40%.

[Super_Ludacris]

Horrible Alias

[Silver Knight]

What exactly is horrible?

[Ben Urich]

Stan Van Gundy rips into the Magic after their 113-94 beatdown at the hands of the Utah Jazz last night:
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You tell 'em, Stan. :up:

[Blitzz]

lmao, did anyone just see that fan rush the floor at the Wizards/Pacers game?

[Ben Urich]

lmao, did anyone just see that fan rush the floor at the Wizards/Pacers game?

Yes. :up:

[Mister J]

Miami has to do better at closing out games. This is annoying. :down

[Ghostvirus]

Son of a whore!!!!!!!!!!!:cmad::csad:

[Silver Knight]

How about my Hornets!!

BTW the Bulls still suck big time.

[Ben Urich]

Miami has to do better at closing out games. This is annoying. :down

Earl Barron. :wow:

[Mister J]

I'm pretty sure Barron scored all of his points in the second quarter, yet only saw about 3 minutes of action after the half.

What gives, Riley? There was a perfectly reasonable chance that he didn't remember he was Earl Barron until after the game. :dry:

[NewYorkSpider]

Congrats to Kobe for 20,000 points and becoming the youngest player to do so.

[Mister J]

**** Mamba.

[NewYorkSpider]

LeBron will have the record someday.

[Super_Ludacris]

D Wade had some swag at the end of the Jazz game.

[Mister J]

LeBron will have the record someday.
Pretty much. He'll cross 10,000 by the end of the season. He might hold it for a while too, unless they revise the rule so kids can enter the league after junior high.
D Wade had some swag at the end of the Jazz game.
Might have been the ugliest, most awkward GW shot I've seen, but I'll take it.

[Super_Ludacris]

He should have gotten the And 1....

[Ben Urich]

Here's the fan rushing the floor during last night's Wizards/Pacers game. High comedy. :up:

pz9kfoLYKrI

lol

[Super_Ludacris]

That dude came up to Antawn like he wanted to do something. Antawn didnt flinch and he just ran around like Gilbert Grape's retarded baby brother.

Douche. When it comes to stunt moves, if it doenst get you puzzy or a pay raise dont bother doing it.

[Super_Ludacris]

Some observations coming from League pass tonight:

Warriors are murdering the Cavs, I havent seen Stephen Jackson shoot so well since he was at teh strip club

Sheed came to play against the Rockets tonight....Yao hasnt. Pistons are up 31-40 in the 2nd. Hope they can keep it up, we need this W.

[Super_Ludacris]

Oh **** @ J-MAX pushing Mac's shot back like a Saigon album!

Nasty block!

[Ghostvirus]

Here's the fan rushing the floor during last night's Wizards/Pacers game. High comedy. :up:

pz9kfoLYKrI

lol

Proud to be a Hoosier.:up::csad:

[Super_Ludacris]

wtf@ T-Mac getting injured again

[Super_Ludacris]

LMAO@ Yao getting injured now

Dont **** with Detroit

[Ghostvirus]

Not in the regular season anyway. You can smack them around all you want in the post season.

gotta get my licks in on Detroit while Frantastic is in the pen.:o

[dr venture]

MJ practicing with the Bobcats

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[Silver Knight]

LeBron will have the record someday.Truth.

Here's the fan rushing the floor during last night's Wizards/Pacers game. High comedy. :up:

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lol
Lol! Some Pacer tripped him over.

[Ghostvirus]

MJ practicing with the Bobcats

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Would some one clone him, & program his brain to only want to play with Da Bulls already.:cmad:

[Silver Knight]

Wow that MJ vid is amazing!

Please come back and play 8-10 a game.

[Ghostvirus]

Please christ no. MJ has already some what soiled his legacy by playing those 2 horrid seasons in Washington.

[NewYorkSpider]

MJ can stay a teacher for those kids. Him coming back would be another embarassment.

[Super_Ludacris]

His comeback with the Wiz was hardly that embarissing. This nicca was dropping 40s and 50s at 39.

Its his patience with kids that was bad. Plus he shouldnt have traded Rip for Stack. Stackhouse ruined that second season. And Kwame Brown sucks

[Super_Ludacris]

Not in the regular season anyway. You can smack them around all you want in the post season.

gotta get my licks in on Detroit while Frantastic is in the pen.:o

Depends on who "you" is. 4 straight ECFs means they can be a threat in the playoffs. You make it sound like there one of those Sonic or Heat teams that use to get knocked out in the 1st round all the team back in the day.

[Silver Knight]

MJ can stay a teacher for those kids. Him coming back would be another embarassment.
MJ could still drop 10-15 a night with ease.

[Ghostvirus]

MJ can stay a teacher for those kids. Him coming back would be another embarassment.

His comeback with the Wiz was hardly that embarissing. This nicca was dropping 40s and 50s at 39.

Its his patience with kids that was bad. Plus he shouldnt have traded Rip for Stack. Stackhouse ruined that second season. And Kwame Brown sucks

MJ could still drop 10-15 a night with ease.

I Agree that he could still show some of these youngins whats up. But just like Led Zeppelin reuniting. It would be just sad. His time has passed. Time to let it go, & move on to a more of a teacher role. I have no doubt that someday he will try coaching.

Depends on who "you" is. 4 straight ECFs means they can be a threat in the playoffs. You make it sound like there one of those Sonic or Heat teams that use to get knocked out in the 1st round all the team back in the day.

Once they got pretty much railroaded by Cleveland. A team that really only has one player worth a damn on that team. I knew there time had past. Detroit isn't even close to the team it once was.

[Super_Ludacris]

Ghost Detroit has been excellent this season cause they actually have depth at the bench now and youth to boot. A dude like Rodney Stuckey is needed for the playoffs cause he can actually penetrate and slash into the interior something this team never had. So you still give them a chance. Cleveland beat them because some teams match up better wth others regardless of records (See GS vs. Dallas last year) but the main issue was they pressed Tayshaun and Chauncey and Flip made horrible substitution patterns to counter (See Game 5, and last year was really a matchup of the coaching tatics despite both teams coaches making horrible moves). I think motivation plus a hunger young bench gives them a shot at a 5th straight ECF maybe a finals matchup.
They know how to hang with Boston (trap Rondo and House), they can beat Chicago in the Playoffs( They play too much buddy ball with them in the regular season) and they can match up against Cleveland. So I expect them to be in the thick of things as they are now. Cant say there time has past if there playing excellent ball right now. Get league pass and watch these teams.


And MJ would make a terrible coach, unless your a vetran squad dude does not have patience for young players. But as far as you generically saying the magic is gone....yeah duh obviously but what were saying is even past his prime he was still killing niccas more than the average 40 year old would.

[Silver Knight]

I Agree that he could still show some of these youngins whats up. But just like Led Zeppelin reuniting. It would be just sad. His time has passed. Time to let it go, & move on to a more of a teacher role. I have no doubt that someday he will try coaching.

True legends never die and MJ is a true legend.

[DarthRekal]

Lakers Win :woot:

whats with all the stars by the thread title??

[Super_Ludacris]

Its a five Star thread

[Silver Knight]

Heat want Miller and Swift.

[Super_Ludacris]

But they cant ****ing have them!

[Silver Knight]

Miller to the Cavs hopefully.

[Mister J]

Heat want Miller and Swift.
That's a groundless rumor with no substantiation. The guys at the Miami Herald were laughing about it the other. Wouldn't mind Miller at all though. The boys need shooting.

[Mister J]

John Paxson Layeth the Smacketh Down on Scott Skiles' Roody Poo Candy Ass. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3167808) :wow:

[Silver Knight]

ESPN reports that Scott Skiles has been fired! :wow:
Somehow this does not suprise me.

[Super_Ludacris]

wtf? Skiles was alright, its the players not reaching there potential.

Chicago Lost

[Silver Knight]

Sometimes change is good.

[Super_Ludacris]

They had won 7 of 13 or something

[DarthRekal]

wtf? Skiles was alright, its the players not reaching there potential.

Chicago Lost
zakly.... they was just looking for a scapegoat... Pax shoulda fired himself for not making any moves this offseason:woot:

[Blitzz]

Skiles fired?!?!?!?!

YES!

Merry Christmas

[Super_Ludacris]

Hopefully they'll tank this season, Chicago is a team I dont want Detroit to face in the Playoffs cause I think they would maybe lose to them

[Mister J]

Paxson hit the panic button a little too early IMO. Skiles is a good coach and Chicago always gets off a slow start. It's a bit rougher than usual, but what is canning the coach going to do? The players aren't playing with the same tenacity and fire that has defined them over the past few years. Chicago's problem is that teams are finding better ways to defend them on the perimeter and when you have a team full of jumpshooters with no inside game, it's not hard to see some struggling happening when the shots don't fall.

If Mr. General Manager hadn't have ponied up 4Y/60M for an aging center, with no offensive game and declining numbers in rebounds and blocks, maybe the team would be faring a little better at the moment. Tyson Chandler is somewhere laughing right now. :o

Pax slides under the wire to lock down the Grinch award for handing out a pink slip on Christmas Eve. :lmao:

[Super_Ludacris]

If Ben Wallace wants to come back to Detroit I think Joe D and Flip could find him some on the bench backing up Jason Maxiell and Rasheed.

[Jerry!]

Skiles...HE GONE.

Not sure if he was the primary problem or not, but whatever. It really doesn't matter. Its a team of average to good role players basically. They wouldn't win anything ultimately because they just aren't good enough. Paxson tried to take the blueprint of the Pistons team and make it work with the Bulls but they just don't have that kind of talent to pull it off. I just don't see what he sees in these players. He was so reluctant to trade them to fix their problems, being inside scoring and no go-to guy, it just baffled me.

[Mister J]

Skiles...HE GONE.
I was waiting for that. :o :up:

[Ben Urich]

The Magic... THEY SUCK.

Okay, doesn't have the same ring to it, but still.

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I'm with you, Stan.

[Super_Ludacris]

[Tony Reali] The Orlando Magic..they stink THE END [/Tony Reali]


The Magic were my team when Penny was there. Hope they can pull out of this slump

[Ghostvirus]

MERRY CHRISTMAS Y'ALL HAHAH!!! SKILES... HE GONE YEAH!!! WOOO!!!

1000 says Larry Brown will be the new coach of DA BULLS. I mean one of the rumored reasons why Wallace left Detroit was because Brown wasn't there so... Good riddance Skiles you waste of f***ing space.

HAHAHAH WOOOO!!!! Merry Christmas B**hes! HAHAH!!!

[omid17]

better Nike Zoom Kobe III pics

http://www.sneakerfiles.com/2007/07/04/nike-zoom-kobe-iii-black-maize-first-look/

[Ghostvirus]

Now that I have calmed down. The Firing of Skiles is great! However I do think Paxson could have atleast waited until after Christmas.

This year Skiles has done a lot of things that have been bothering me all season. My most notable example is Nocioni at one point in a game missed 3 shots in a row, & finally hit one. So what does Skiles do? He takes him out.:huh:

Also Skiles has... had:up: his players pass way to much before shooting, or pass way to little. His plays were just simply poor at setting up shots. He also let Gordon get to many touches on the ball.

But that is all in the past. Skiles is gone.:up: Now all we need to do is get Wallace the f*** out! Hey Detroit fans. How about we give you Wallace. & we will take your absolute best Hotdog vender? I know it isn't fair trade. I mean a high quality hotdog vender is hard to come by, but I am sure you can manage.

Here is my list of coaches I would like to see leading Da Bulls.

Jeff Van Gundy
Larry Brown
Maybe Doug Collins.

& the one that would make all my dreams come true, but there is no way in hell it would happen would be http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2004/writers/seth_davis/01/28/hoop_thoughts/p1_pitino_all.jpg.

[Ben Urich]

better Nike Zoom Kobe III pics

http://www.sneakerfiles.com/2007/07/04/nike-zoom-kobe-iii-black-maize-first-look/

Those are hideous.

[Silver Knight]

MERRY CHRISTMAS Y'ALL HAHAH!!! SKILES... HE GONE YEAH!!! WOOO!!!

1000 says Larry Brown will be the new coach of DA BULLS. I mean one of the rumored reasons why Wallace left Detroit was because Brown wasn't there so... Good riddance Skiles you waste of f***ing space.

HAHAHAH WOOOO!!!! Merry Christmas B**hes! HAHAH!!!
I highly doubt Brown will be our next xoach.

[Ben Urich]

Merry Christmas, ya'll. :yay:

[L.A.]

2007-08 Power Rankings: Week 8
RANK (LAST WK) TEAM REC. COMMENT
1 (3) Pistons 20-7 Besides The Sports Guy, who else won't like Detroit's rise to No. 1? The Pistons just went 12-2 to join Boston in the 20-Win Club, but Chauncey Billups reminded us how they think: ''I love us flying under the radar.''
2 (1) Celtics 22-3 The Celtics did just lose their first big test of the season, as well as their perfect home record. But I think they'll live with three Ls in the first 25 games . . . one in OT and the other two by a combined four points.
3 (7) Mavericks 19-9 After following up a 9-2 start with a 7-7 malaise, this looked like a team waiting for some sort of trade or shakeup. At 5-0 since the malaise, Dallas at last resembles the 67-win Mavs for the first time since April.
4 (4) Suns 19-8 For all the angst about their defense and their collective effort and the Suns' start in general, this team is +8. That's eight more road wins than home losses, while no other team in the West rates better than a +4.
5 (2) Spurs 19-7 No one in San Antonio will miss December when it's gone. The tone was set at Portland on Dec. 2 when Duncan got hurt. The Spurs have since finished zero games this month with TD, Tony and Manu all healthy.
6 (8) Lakers 17-10 L.A. needs a 6-1 spurt to match last season's 23-11 start. But even if the Lakers can't follow up this 8-2 surge by winning six of seven, scouts are almost unanimous in calling this the best post-Shaq team L.A. has had.
7 (10) Trail Blazers 15-12 It's true that the Blazers were due after, uh, 18 consecutive losing months. But due is one thing. Going 10-1 in December -- without Oden and with Aldridge missing five of those games -- is why they're a stunning No. 7.
8 (9) Warriors 16-12 With a comfortable W in Cleveland, Golden State has posted winning records on two road trips of five games or longer in the same season for the first time since (wow) 1973-74. Make that 16-6 since an 0-6 start.
9 (6) Hornets 17-10 Just in time for the holidays, New Orleans has won five of six at home after its 3-4 start, backing up Chandler's Weekend Dime claim that ''there's no reason why we shouldn't be a top-five team'' out West.
10 (5) Magic 18-11 Rashard is ailing, Stan is calling his team ''soft'' and the magic (they can only hope) is still hiding. We repeat: Can't crow about the Magic's road exploits -- even at 13-5 -- when they're 0-4 at home in December.
11 (13) Nuggets 16-11 To honor his one-year Denver anniversary, Iverson hit Sactown scoring nearly 9 points a game more this month (32.1 ppg) than last. But if Kleiza doesn't hit at the buzzer, AI and Co. are in a first-place tie with Portland.
12 (14) Pacers 15-13 The studio panelists laughed at ex-Pacers coach Rick Carlisle when he declared on ''NBA Coast to Coast'' that Indy would finish fourth in the East. Now it's nervous laughter with the Pacers at No. 5 on Christmas.
13 (17) Hawks 14-12 Every week we get e-mails asking, ''Now do you believe in the Hawks?'' My response? They've won 11 of 16 with us repeatedly saying that we're not convinced yet. Our skepticism is working for you, Hawks fans.
14 (12) Raptors 15-14 Injury woes for Garbajosa, T.J. Ford, even Bosh after his Team USA pullout in the summer . . . we expected all that. But this part no one expected: Bargnani is averaging 4.0 ppg on 26.8-percent shooting in December.
15 (11) Wizards 13-13 What do the Wiz want for Christmas? Besides a healed Gil, they wanted a game. Only four teams ever (Dallas at 1-0, Portland at 12-1, Miami at 3-1, Phoenix at 11-4) have better Christmas records than Washington's 14-6.
16 (15) Jazz 15-14 Anyone else get the feeling that Giricek isn't the only one bugging the coach? After completing nine of 11 games on the road and going 2-9 in that stretch, Sloan said: ''We don't have one defensive thinker on our team.''
17 (21) Kings 11-15 Another less-than-flattering advertisement for the Eastern Conference? The Kings were 0-8 on the road when they left for Boston on Dec. 11 and wound up posting a 3-2 trip after Ws in Philly, Jersey and Milwaukee.
18 (16) Rockets 13-15 Yao's injuries don't appear to be serious. But everything else? Houston's red alert has to be blaring with T-Mac's health worsening, no help coming from the supporting cast and a 7-14 record since the 6-1 start.
19 (23) Nets 12-15 His shooting percentage (.378) and the Nets' home record (6-10) are still ghastly, but Kidd will be the first to average 10, 8 and 10 for a full season since Magic in '82-83 if he keeps this up: 11.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg and 10.3 apg.
20 (20) Cavaliers 12-16 LeBron came back from injury. Varejao came back from Brazil. But it's clear that the Cavs' playoff chemistry (or at least something resembling it) is still out indefinitely. These guys don't look much better than the Bulls.
21 (19) 76ers 11-16 We'd say that the Sixers have tumbled all the way back down to Earth after they followed up that four-game win streak with a 1-3 stretch. But then Igoudala pulled out that game-winning jumper in Memphis.
22 (22) Bucks 11-15 Not trying to put more pressure on the kid, but facts is facts: Milwaukee is 3-0 this month when Yi -- who just posted his first two 20-point games -- scores 18 or more. When he doesn't? The Bucks are 1-8 in December.
23 (18) Bulls 9-16 We heard all season the Bulls didn't want to consider a coaching change until season's end. But they obviously came to the conclusion that they no longer had a choice. These Bulls weren't going to rally if Skiles stayed.
24 (24) Heat 8-19 Here's some good news, perhaps, for a battered team that needs any boost it can find after Zo's demise: Entering Tuesday's trip to Cleveland, Miami has been a Christmas Day winner each of the last three years.
25 (27) Bobcats 10-15 MJ showing up at practice might have spoiled our claim that NBA Access Charlotte was the peak of their season, but it's also the strongest sign yet that His Airness is highly disappointed by the Bobs' play.
26 (26) Grizzlies 8-19 As with Arenas in Washington, it can't really be true. But I'm sure we'll start hearing Better Without Pau stuff after the Grizz beat Orlando and San Antonio without Gasol and lose seven in a row with him.
27 (28) SuperSonics 8-19 Durant might be a Rookie of the Year shoo-in, but he's got some comp in the race for Sonics MVP. Seattle is a stunning 7-7 when our old friend Kurt Thomas starts . . . and 1-12 when Thomas doesn't.
28 (25) Clippers 9-17 It's not just Elton. It's Cassell. It's Maggette. It's Paul Davis suffering a season-ending injury. Chris Kaman has 12 straight double-doubles, after just 14 last season, but the Clips are way too banged up to enjoy them.
29 (29) Knicks 8-19 More numbers Isiah won't want to hear as he passes the four-year pole at MSG: These Knicks have suffered five losses by 25 points or more; no Knick team has had as many as four such Ls since (gulp) 1964.
30 (30) Timberwolves 4-22 Antoine Walker must be a faithful viewer of the Adande Lounge on ESPN.com. Adande makes a plea Friday for more player celebrations and, boom, 'Toine hits Indy with six triples and busts out his old shimmy.

[LastSunrise1981]

I feel really bad for Skiles. In the midst of all the chaos, drama, and losing in Chicago he's made out to be the scapegoat. Let's look at it from a basketball and logical point of view.

Is he at fault? Some of it can be viewed as it being his fault I suppose, but on the other hand, it's not his fault the players don't have a winners mentality and aren't playing to the best of their abilities. There's only so much coaching he can do, the results are determined by the players and at this moment they're not performing great at all.

The blame should be shifted on the players and on Paxson himself. I will admit that I thought this was just a typical slow start from Chicago, but right now it just seems things are getting worse in the Windy City and that it'll get worse before it gets better. But as I said, this is in no way Skiles fault and there's no way he should've been fired over the failure of the team who have gotten lazy, not providing any offense, and seem to be playing with no heart or desire when it comes to important games or winnable games.

[Jerry!]

The best of their abilities still isn't that good. You have failed to understand that throughout this season.

[LastSunrise1981]

The best of their abilities still isn't that good. You have failed to understand that throughout this season.

I haven't failed to understand anything. I truly thought it was just a typical slow season start and that Chicago would eventually turn things around by playing a lot better, having better offense, and being the well oiled defensive team that they used to be.

But I haven't failed to understand anything I am quite sad to see Chicago in this state. Truly the problems run much deeper than the usual blame the coach rountine. If anything there's general management problems, player problems, hunger problems, and so forth. I believe Chicago at this point is at a state where a major shakeup is needed and whether it was the Kobe drama, the Ben Gordon drama, or any kind of drama, whatever happened has really shaken this team to the core and they have yet to recover.

[Jerry!]

What Ben Gordon drama? He brought that on himself. He is a glorified sixth man at best, and too short to play his position. He is asking for a ridiculous amount of money. And plus, HE HAS ALWAYS PLAYED LIKE THIS. There was no "drama" that shook him or the team up. They just aren't that good. Stop using that stupid Kobe excuse. Christ, if they were as good you think they are then that wouldn't have bothered them in the first place. They just don't have the talent, period. I think even MC has come to accept that now.

[omid17]

What Ben Gordon drama? He brought that on himself. He is a glorified sixth man at best, and too short to play his position. He is asking for a ridiculous amount of money. And plus, HE HAS ALWAYS PLAYED LIKE THIS. There was no "drama" that shook him or the team up. They just aren't that good. Stop using that stupid Kobe excuse. Christ, if they were as good you think they are then that wouldn't have bothered them in the first place. They just don't have the talent, period. I think even MC has come to accept that now.:up::up: well said

[LastSunrise1981]

What Ben Gordon drama? He brought that on himself. He is a glorified sixth man at best, and too short to play his position. He is asking for a ridiculous amount of money. And plus, HE HAS ALWAYS PLAYED LIKE THIS. There was no "drama" that shook him or the team up. They just aren't that good. Stop using that stupid Kobe excuse. Christ, if they were as good you think they are then that wouldn't have bothered them in the first place. They just don't have the talent, period. I think even MC has come to accept that now.

I have accepted it. All I'm saying is that the Kobe drama didn't help the situation revolving around them. It's true that professionals play through the bull**** and don't let any story, officials, or whatever deter them from playing the game of basketball and winning obviously. There is drama with him as he refused to resign with the team, if I'm not mistaken Deng refused to resign, and I don't know what the status of Hinrich is.

I said they have the talent to make it far if they stopped playing lazy, had consistent offense, and continued playing the slow rugged defense they were known for. They have the talent Jerry, just something isn't clicking mentally for them to use it the right way. What's it going to take? A guard like Jason Kidd to make them better, a better more defensive/offensive minded center who is younger and athletic, and more consistent offense that will make them a much bigger threat in the wide scheme of things.

You wanted Kobe so bad that you thought it would fix ALL of their problems.

The problems Chicago are facing run much deeper than any Kobe drama, Ben Gordon drama, or Skiles. This team is in definite need of a major shake-up and I don't think firing Skiles was the right decision.

[LastSunrise1981]

Here are some more vintage videos of legendary basketball players from the past. The first video is a collection of games/moments of the late great Pistol Pete Maravich. The person who created it did an amazing job with the footage that he gathered for his tribute.

I'm not a rap/hip-hop fan at all, but the music at the beginning was awesome and I wish he used it all the way through.

First player is Pete Maravich obviously.

Here is his brief synopsis of his video.

1. This mix about my favourite basketball player, Pete Maravich. Since Pistol was a 70s player you probably don't know much about him. Maravich is an NBA legend and was inducted into the fall of hame in 1987; he holds nearly every single college scoring record and averaged 44.2 points a game without the three point line.

- All FG's from his 68 point game ( not including free throws )
- Highlights as a Tiger (college)
- Highlights as a Hawk
- Highlights as a Jazz
- Highlights as a Celtic

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2. Magic Johnson

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I still remember that series when the Lakers beat Dallas. :csad: :csad:

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3. Jerry West aka Mr. Clutch

The name explains it all when it comes to Jerry West. Obviously you have/had great clutch players like Reggie Miller, Dwayne Wade, Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Tim Duncan, Robert Horry, Rick Barry, Jabbar, and etc. But Jerry West came before those players and he was the player every player feared when they played against him.

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4. Connie Hawkins

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Before Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki, Shaq, Kevin Garnett, Hakeem, and Yao Ming. You had Connie Hawkins who was, to an extent, the first center/forward who did things that was very foreign to those particular positions. Back in legendary era you had guards like Cousy, Roberton, Maravich, West, and etc who did cool things with the basketball and was exciting to watch. Connie was so graceful with the basketball and in todays game I see a lot of Connie Hawkins in Duncan, Nowitzki, and Garnett.

5. Dominique Wilkins

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6. Wilt Chamberlain

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[Ghostvirus]

What Ben Gordon drama? He brought that on himself. He is a glorified sixth man at best, and too short to play his position. He is asking for a ridiculous amount of money. And plus, HE HAS ALWAYS PLAYED LIKE THIS. There was no "drama" that shook him or the team up. They just aren't that good. Stop using that stupid Kobe excuse. Christ, if they were as good you think they are then that wouldn't have bothered them in the first place. They just don't have the talent, period. I think even MC has come to accept that now.

I haven't totally turned. I am going to see how they react to a new coach, but I am getting to that point where I am agreeing with you.

[Jerry!]

I have accepted it. All I'm saying is that the Kobe drama didn't help the situation revolving around them. It's true that professionals play through the bull**** and don't let any story, officials, or whatever deter them from playing the game of basketball and winning obviously. There is drama with him as he refused to resign with the team, if I'm not mistaken Deng refused to resign, and I don't know what the status of Hinrich is.

I said they have the talent to make it far if they stopped playing lazy, had consistent offense, and continued playing the slow rugged defense they were known for. They have the talent Jerry, just something isn't clicking mentally for them to use it the right way. What's it going to take? A guard like Jason Kidd to make them better, a better more defensive/offensive minded center who is younger and athletic, and more consistent offense that will make them a much bigger threat in the wide scheme of things.

You wanted Kobe so bad that you thought it would fix ALL of their problems.

The problems Chicago are facing run much deeper than any Kobe drama, Ben Gordon drama, or Skiles. This team is in definite need of a major shake-up and I don't think firing Skiles was the right decision.

There is a whole lot of wrong in that post. First off, getting a Kobe Bryant or a Pau Gasol would solve a lot of their problems. I never said it would fix all of it, but it would be enough to get them to the playoffs and maybe to the Finals. They needed a go to guy and every opportunity they had to get him they passed. Kobe was just the latest example of that, but I'm not going to give Paxson flak on that one, it probably wasn't going to happen. If they ever plan on winning another championship, they are going to have to get a guy like Kobe. That is just the way it is. When things don't go their way during a game they seem to get discouraged and give up or just make bad decisions. Skiles has to take some accountability in that.

THEY ARE NOT THE PISTONS. I don't know what it is you see in them, but they do not have that kind of talent in each and every position as Detroit does. You know what you are getting from Gordon, Noicioni isn't getting any better what you see is what you get with him, Sefolosha seems to have taken a step backward in every phase of the game, Hinrich is too cold and colder from the field, Wallace is a joke, Tyrus either isn't getting enough minutes or just hasn't been able to pick up the game plan. Their most productive player is Joe Smith. JOE SMITH!! Deng is just on or off now. Its just a bunch of role players. That isn't going to cut it. Not in the East and definitely not in the West. If they play the best they can, they would still get crushed by any of the stacked teams in the West in a playoff series.

But since you will most likely ignore this post, keep posting videos of old school basketball players to reinforce your self-proclaimed extensive knowledge and wisdom of basketball.

[Mister J]

Miami has too many holes. Wade shouldn't have to go for 30 points and 10 assists and shoot 55%+ to get a W. Ricky Davis' contract became eligible to be packaged yesterday. Something needs to be a-brewin'.

[LastSunrise1981]

There is a whole lot of wrong in that post. First off, getting a Kobe Bryant or a Pau Gasol would solve a lot of their problems. I never said it would fix all of it, but it would be enough to get them to the playoffs and maybe to the Finals. They needed a go to guy and every opportunity they had to get him they passed. Kobe was just the latest example of that, but I'm not going to give Paxson flak on that one, it probably wasn't going to happen. If they ever plan on winning another championship, they are going to have to get a guy like Kobe. That is just the way it is. When things don't go their way during a game they seem to get discouraged and give up or just make bad decisions. Skiles has to take some accountability in that.

THEY ARE NOT THE PISTONS. I don't know what it is you see in them, but they do not have that kind of talent in each and every position as Detroit does. You know what you are getting from Gordon, Noicioni isn't getting any better what you see is what you get with him, Sefolosha seems to have taken a step backward in every phase of the game, Hinrich is too cold and colder from the field, Wallace is a joke, Tyrus either isn't getting enough minutes or just hasn't been able to pick up the game plan. Their most productive player is Joe Smith. JOE SMITH!! Deng is just on or off now. Its just a bunch of role players. That isn't going to cut it. Not in the East and definitely not in the West. If they play the best they can, they would still get crushed by any of the stacked teams in the West in a playoff series.

But since you will most likely ignore this post, keep posting videos of old school basketball players to reinforce your self-proclaimed extensive knowledge and wisdom of basketball.

Nope, not going to ignore your post at all. I happen to know a lot about basketball and if you choose to ignore it that's your right. My point is that I never compared Chicago to Detroit, Miami, or any other team that's either superior to them or not superior to them. You chose to use those words, not me.

As for the rest of your post, you could be right. But at this point Chicago needs a major shake-up. Someone like Paul Gasol could help them progress to the next level but that still isn't the answer for their problems, Kobe could help them if he made his team better and didn't try to be the superstar, but hes not the answer either. Obviously in a perfect world having both Gasol and Kobe would be a great deal for Chicago, but this isn't a perfect world, so you won't get both and probably won't get one of them in the future.

Chicago made the mistake in signing Ben Wallace. I think they pulled the trigger on him thinking he would bring them to the promised land because of his acclaimed defensive presence. But his lack of offense and the fact that he's an aging center with declining numbers in blocks and rebounds has ruined any chance of that team getting into any rhythm. What Chicago needs is a defensive/offensive minded shooting guard, a point guard like a Jason Kidd, and a center/forward who can get them points in the paint and points from the free throw line.

Whether you believe me or not, Chicago HAS the talent it's just they don't have the heart to do what's necessary and you could be right. They could play to the best of their abilities and still lose. Only time will tell what's going to happen in the future, but I believe firing Skiles was the wrong thing to do and isn't going to change the situation they're in.

I'd also appreciate it if you stopped with the veiled insults. I've been civil with EVERYONE on the forum and have contributed to these threds in an intelligent calm manner.

And if you don't like vintage NBA basketball in my posts then don't read them or look at them, simple as that.

[LastSunrise1981]

Miami has too many holes. Wade shouldn't have to go for 30 points and 10 assists and shoot 55%+ to get a W. Ricky Davis' contract became eligible to be packaged yesterday. Something needs to be a-brewin'.

What's hurting Miami is the age factor. Shaq and Zo aren't getting any younger and they can't be depended on to help Miami get necessary wins when it matters. I will say signing Ricky Davis was a good move as it added some youth to the squad and athletic ability too.

[Jerry!]

Nope, not going to ignore your post at all. I happen to know a lot about basketball and if you choose to ignore it that's your right. My point is that I never compared Chicago to Detroit, Miami, or any other team that's either superior to them or not superior to them. You chose to use those words, not me.

As for the rest of your post, you could be right. But at this point Chicago needs a major shake-up. Someone like Paul Gasol could help them progress to the next level but that still isn't the answer for their problems, Kobe could help them if he made his team better and didn't try to be the superstar, but hes not the answer either. Obviously in a perfect world having both Gasol and Kobe would be a great deal for Chicago, but this isn't a perfect world, so you won't get both and probably won't get one of them in the future.

Chicago made the mistake in signing Ben Wallace. I think they pulled the trigger on him thinking he would bring them to the promised land because of his acclaimed defensive presence. But his lack of offense and the fact that he's an aging center with declining numbers in blocks and rebounds has ruined any chance of that team getting into any rhythm. What Chicago needs is a defensive/offensive minded shooting guard, a point guard like a Jason Kidd, and a center/forward who can get them points in the paint and points from the free throw line.

Whether you believe me or not, Chicago HAS the talent it's just they don't have the heart to do what's necessary and you could be right. They could play to the best of their abilities and still lose. Only time will tell what's going to happen in the future, but I believe firing Skiles was the wrong thing to do and isn't going to change the situation they're in.

And if you don't like vintage NBA basketball in my posts then don't read them or look at them, simple as that.

No I don't have a problem with the vintage videos, its just that you pride yourself on being such a knowledgeable fan and then say things like this Bulls team has the talent to win a title. I've been watching this team all my life and you are DEAD WRONG on that. I don't care how much knowledge you have on the game, you haven't seen this team play every game the past few years. If you did, believe me, you wouldn't be making those ridiculous claims. Time has told us this already. Its the SAME PROBLEMS.

And I know you haven't compared them to the Pistons, but that is the only team that I can imagine you thinking of them as when you say they have the talent to win a title. That would the only way they could win one with the kind of team they have. But again, they do not have the talent in each and every position to pull that off like Detroit can. How is that not obvious by now?

They are probably going to go into a rebuilding period now and this whole experiment has been a failure. You have to call it what it is, and they haven't won anything. If you want to be content with first and second round exits and keep thinking that they are an up and coming team and have the talent to win it all and "next year" they will be back, then fine, but I refuse to be that delusional. Because thats what it is.

[Mister J]

What's hurting Miami is the age factor. Shaq and Zo aren't getting any younger and they can't be depended on to help Miami get necessary wins when it matters. I will say signing Ricky Davis was a good move as it added some youth to the squad and athletic ability too.
Shaq is playing less minutes than ever and Zo is out. The younger guys have been playing; Cook, Wright, Davis and now, Barron. It's more of a youth-infused lineup than Riley's ever used before and it's out of necessity. What's hurting Miami is they have no playmakers not named Wade, no reliable outside shooting and struggle to play consistent defense. I liked Davis' addition at the outset, but I've grown tired of him firing away with 17 seconds left on the shot clock. That type of thing has its place and can be beneficial, but not when it's from your 2nd-best scoring option on most nights. If they can package him and get a reliable PG or bona fide outside shooter, it's a definite move. Dorell has made big strides as of late when he's gotten time at the 3 and though he lacks on the offensive end, his shot selection is better and he's just a good (probably better) of a defender. This roster as it stands isn't going to get it done.

[Ben Urich]

Please tell me Trevor Ariza's merciless fast-break posterization of Grant Hill from earlier today is on YouTube. Sweet lord. :wow::up:

[Ben Urich]

This isn't the best view (it's the backboard-cam replay, not the live-action one), but damn:
Bml5MTFq_AQ

[Ironhorse75]

Please tell me Trevor Ariza's merciless fast-break posterization of Grant Hill from earlier today is on YouTube. Sweet lord. :wow::up:

Not sure about youtube, but you can download it here:

http://sharebee.com/ba771761

Kind of a big file as its a HD Broadcast rip. 73 MB.

How about them Blazers? I was really looking forward to seeing Oden and Roy playing together, but if they're doing this good without him, they could really be a force for years to come if they continue this.

[Super_Ludacris]

Phillip's Bowtie>>>> The Ariza Dunk

Phil Jackson was looking like Cornel Sanders out there.

[Super_Ludacris]

Not sure about youtube, but you can download it here:

http://sharebee.com/ba771761

Kind of a big file as its a HD Broadcast rip. 73 MB.

How about them Blazers? I was really looking forward to seeing Oden and Roy playing together, but if they're doing this good without him, they could really be a force for years to come if they continue this.

lol@ the akward silence during halftime of the Heat-Cavs game when Walton said Brandon Roy is the 3rd place MVP behnd Kobe and KG

What, did Lebron and Dwight fake there campaigns?

But the Blazers are balling and are gonna be a playoff team next season

[Immortalfire]

1. This mix about my favourite basketball player, Pete Maravich. Since Pistol was a 70s player you probably don't know much about him. Maravich is an NBA legend and was inducted into the fall of hame in 1987; he holds nearly every single college scoring record and averaged 44.2 points a game without the three point line.


The greatest. No one's ever touching him. :heart:

[DarthRekal]

Please tell me Trevor Ariza's merciless fast-break posterization of Grant Hill from earlier today is on YouTube. Sweet lord. :wow::up:
:up: Thanks for him Ben :woot:
Phillip's Bowtie>>>> The Ariza Dunk

Phil Jackson was looking like Cornel Sanders out there.
:lmao: i love Phil


1 game back of the Suns :bh:

[Silver Knight]

But the Blazers are balling and are gonna be a playoff team next seasonNo, this season..

[Ironhorse75]

The greatest. No one's ever touching him. :heart:

Wasn't it known that he was so good that he had to try doing new stuff to keep himself from getting bored with the game?

[omid17]

Phil looked so pimp wearing that bowtie

[Ben Urich]

I disagree as much as humanly possible. That bowtie was terrible. :dry:

[Ben Urich]

www.donyellmarshall.blogspot.com

[Ghostvirus]

So did Buss fire Phil, so Chicago can have him back yet? Just wondering.:o

Edit: So I am listening to the Spurs/ Bulls game, & at half time a dude from the Chicago Trubune reported that Paxson may not hire a new coach until the offseason.:dry:

[Ben Urich]

Gotta love Ira Winderman:


Luke Jackson passes to Earl Barron for a first-quarter basket.
Read the above again. Then consider: Ladies and gentlemen, your 2007-08 Miami Heat.
It's as if Wade is making a nightly guest appearance with the Idaho Stampede.


Source (http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_basketball_heat/2007/12/76ers-96-heat-8.html)

Ouch, J. :csad:

[dr venture]

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[LastSunrise1981]

Dallas loses to Utah tonight. From what I read from the recap it was just a layup drill for Utah and it was no defense on the part of Dallas. It seems like they can never get a good winning streak going, and it's important to beat teams like Utah.

Teams like Utah, San Antonio, Golden State, and Phoenix are potential first round opponents. Oh well, onto the next game with the Cavs.

[Mister J]

Gotta love Ira Winderman:



Source (http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_basketball_heat/2007/12/76ers-96-heat-8.html)

Ouch, J. :csad:
I keep trying to read into Ira's blogs for anything redeeming.

I'm pretty numb at this point and just awaiting the trade :dry:

...and there better be a ****ing trade. :cmad:

[NewYorkSpider]

Dallas loses to Utah tonight. From what I read from the recap it was just a layup drill for Utah and it was no defense on the part of Dallas. It seems like they can never get a good winning streak going, and it's important to beat teams like Utah.

Teams like Utah, San Antonio, Golden State, and Phoenix are potential first round opponents. Oh well, onto the next game with the Cavs.

It was 14-0 before the Mavs scored a point.:dry: It looks like they made a bit of a comback, but couldn't come up in the ends. Watching the highlights, it looked like they played horrible defense.

[Ben Urich]

I keep trying to read into Ira's blogs for anything redeeming.

I'm pretty numb at this point and just awaiting the trade :dry:

...and there better be a ****ing trade. :cmad:

Would you be in favor of buying-out Shaq and having a fire sale? :huh: Because there's really no way this team is going to reach .500 this year...

[Mister J]

Shaq isn't the problem and he wouldn't take a buyout anyway, not that he should be asked to.

How much of a fire sale could they have? Wade's untouchable and none of the other players really have that much appeal (outside of cap implications).

They can't get critical stops, offensive boards are occasionally a problem, they can't shoot from the outside and the offense gets stagnant if Wade isn't facilitating; he's the only consistent playmaker. Something has to give. Between Williams and Davis, there's around 16M of expiring contracts. Toss in Parker's cheap deal and something can be done. It won't solve all the problems, but addressing a couple of those areas should be enough to get them to look better than what they have. They can't stand pat. Something needs to be in the works.

[Silver Knight]

http://i3.tinypic.com/6x82r6a.gif
GET UP THERE BIG BOYY!!!

[Super_Ludacris]

Loving the way Detroit is putting teams away early and letting the young'ns have a run.

Win streak to 6 after the Nets win.They aint beat nobody yet other than Boston but they are handling there business.

[Silver Knight]

Im calling it now.

Bulls will NOT make the playoffs.

[DarthRekal]

Loving the way Detroit is putting teams away early and letting the young'ns have a run.

Win streak to 6 after the Nets win.They aint beat nobody yet other than Boston but they are handling there business.
Stuckey looking good ...

how's Aflalo lookin luda??:huh:

[Super_Ludacris]

Yo Aflalo is looking good out there. His game against Memphis last week was monster with 15 pts and 10 boards and he had nice reverse layup +1

He's coming along

[Super_Ludacris]

Big Baby Davis' headshot on ESPN

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/nba/profiles/players/65x90/4313.jpg

[DarthRekal]

I always root for my L.A. cats.. i was so glad when Ben gave us Ariza Back :woot:


Joe D is doin his thing up there... he's already re-loading... for the future.. man gotta admire that dude

[Ghostvirus]

Well Boylan is going to be the interim coach for the rest of the season.*assumes sad panda stance*

[Super_Ludacris]

For who Chicago? I thought Pete Meyers was the interim?

Chicago Lost.

[Ben Urich]

Myers coached last night, but Boylan has the job for the rest of the season. :huh:

But fear not, Bulls fans! There's still a 14% chance your team will make the playoffs (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/playoffodds). :csad::up:

[Super_Ludacris]

I'm glad I dont have to worry about the Bulls and the Heat in the Playoffs this season. Truth be told they could probably still trip up Detroit in the Playoffs.

[Jerry!]

Detroit is the only team the Bulls can beat it seems.

[Ben Urich]

Pax said in a radio interview that Ben Gordon is being benched in favor of Chris Duhon. :huh: Yeah, that should solve all the problems. I don't get it. The worst offensive team in the league (http://www.knickerblogger.net/stats/2008/o_oe.htm) should definitely bench its second-highest scoring player (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/stats?team=chi&seasonYear=2008&season=2&sort=pts&order=true&avg=pg&split=0) if it hopes to improve. :huh:

:o

[Jerry!]

It really doesn't matter, they aren't going anywhere this year. But it's nice to see Gordon get a kick in the balls. He is better coming off the bench anyway.

[Super_Ludacris]

So we agree the Bulls and the Heat aint making the Playoffs?

[Jerry!]

Nope, I don't think so, unless they make a radical 180 degree turn, and if thats the case, Skiles was a major problem. Make the playoffs or not, the Bulls aren't winning anything this year. They weren't before Skiles got fired and they weren't going to before their slow start. They don't have the talent.

[Ghostvirus]

I am still holding out hope that the Bulls make the playoffs. I mean it is the east for god sake. I am going to wait & see how this new Interim coach does.

Seriously though why the f*** is it going to take paxson so long to hire a new coach?! The season isn't even half over yet? It is like he is intenionally flushing the season down the crapper.

Also thumbs up on benching Ben. He may be the team leader in scoring, but he has to make a lot of horrible shots to get those points. I also smell a trade before the deadline. It seems Paxson is starting to wake up.

[Super_Ludacris]

To be honest its hard to hire a new coach midseason. Usually people get the assistant to take over if its a midseason thing. Its always been that way.
With a coach you gotta consider the fact he will bring in new staff/personnel and analyse players in long practices (hence why camp and the offseason is the best time)/
Rarely do you see a big name coach come in and takeover in the middle season, its always someone in the organisation/staff

[Ghostvirus]

Good Point.

[Jerry!]

So far I like Boylan just for his move of putting Gordon on the bench. Yeah he was the leading scorer, but that was kinda by default. Hinrich is too cold from the floor, Wallace won't be putting up numbers, same with Tyrus (who , if you remember, Aldridge was traded for by Paxson in the draft and meanwhile he is averaging 18 points a game along with 7 rebs I believe) and Deng has seemed to taken a step backward.

They could still make the playoffs I guess, it isn't impossible, but where do you think they could go? Maybe win a home game or two but that is about it.

[BubbaGump]

http://i3.tinypic.com/6x82r6a.gif

I love the Suns to death, but that was sick. :csad:

[Ghostvirus]

So far I like Boylan just for his move of putting Gordon on the bench. Yeah he was the leading scorer, but that was kinda by default. Hinrich is too cold from the floor, Wallace won't be putting up numbers, same with Tyrus (who , if you remember, Aldridge was traded for by Paxson in the draft and meanwhile he is averaging 18 points a game along with 7 rebs I believe) and Deng has seemed to taken a step backward.

They could still make the playoffs I guess, it isn't impossible, but where do you think they could go? Maybe win a home game or two but that is about it.


Seriously after watching Ben Wallace for the last 2 years. How did this guy end up in the NBA? He only has like 2 things he can do decently. Rebound, & Block. Still Rodman in his prim of eaten Wallace up. I just don't get it.

[BubbaGump]

Seriously after watching Ben Wallace for the last 2 years. How did this guy end up in the NBA? He only has like 2 things he can do decently. Rebound, & Block. Still Rodman in his prim of eaten Wallace up. I just don't get it.

What I hate even more is in the Sports Illustrated Basketball Book, he would be the starting center of the 2000's All-Decade team. WTF. :huh:

[Mister J]

Seriously after watching Ben Wallace for the last 2 years. How did this guy end up in the NBA? He only has like 2 things he can do decently. Rebound, & Block. Still Rodman in his prim of eaten Wallace up. I just don't get it.
Come on. Ben was a beast. His contributions were limited to rebounds, blocks and D (tangible contributions anyway), but how fierce was he on that? There'll always be a place for a guy like that in the league.

What I hate even more is in the Sports Illustrated Basketball Book, he would be the starting center of the 2000's All-Decade team. WTF. :huh:
:confused:

Looking past the obvious oversight of Shaquille Rashaun O'Neal, I'd pick Mutombo in that time frame over Wallace. I loved his work on the glass and how he protected the rim, but he's giving you NOTHING on offense. What gives? :dry:

[LastSunrise1981]

Dallas is struggling with Cleveland right now. :csad: :cmad:

Both teams are shooting pretty bad so this game could be one of those ugly ones due to both teams playing poorly. Guess I'll check the stats after I finish watching Rob Zombie's Halloween. :up: :up:

[Silver Knight]

So we agree the Bulls and the Heat aint making the Playoffs?
Yes sir.

[Ghostvirus]

Come on. Ben was a beast. His contributions were limited to rebounds, blocks and D (tangible contributions anyway), but how fierce was he on that? There'll always be a place for a guy like that in the league.

Have you ever seen Wallace try & handle the ball? It is horribly awkward to watch. Players that were one demensionaly like Rodman. Could score if they wanted to. There was just no need for them to. Wallace on the other hand can't.

[NewYorkSpider]

Dallas is struggling with Cleveland right now. :csad: :cmad:

Both teams are shooting pretty bad so this game could be one of those ugly ones due to both teams playing poorly. Guess I'll check the stats after I finish watching Rob Zombie's Halloween. :up: :up:

Dallas is coming around now. They've already hit a three and Dirk added two points. Should come right down to the end.

[BubbaGump]

Come on. Ben was a beast. His contributions were limited to rebounds, blocks and D (tangible contributions anyway), but how fierce was he on that? There'll always be a place for a guy like that in the league.


:confused:

Looking past the obvious oversight of Shaquille Rashaun O'Neal, I'd pick Mutombo in that time frame over Wallace. I loved his work on the glass and how he protected the rim, but he's giving you NOTHING on offense. What gives? :dry:

O'Neal was excluded, I think, which is another :huh: moment. SI is whack, that's all I can say. However, if their center position is reserved just for someone who can crash the boards and block, I'd put Marcus Camby. Then again, limited offensive output.

Now Josh Smith...there's an emerging superstar. :hehe:

[Silver Knight]

W O W!

Did anyone just see Lebron dunk on Stackhouse?

Massive! Great win by my Cavs also.

[LastSunrise1981]

Terrible effort on the Mavs part. Their defense was very much like the way they used to play when Don Nelson coached the team. There is no way, and I mean no way, Dallas should've strugged with Cleveland or even lost to them in the process.

I'm not taking anything away from Cleveland now. They're a young talented team that have a great player in Lebron, however, he is just a one man team who can be contained by making the other guys beat you and Dallas didn't do that tonight. They played lazy, they played like they didn't care and that is why they lost the game tonight.

That was a very nasty dunk by Lebron on Stackhouse. I've seen Dampier get dunked on so many times, when it happened I thought it was Dampier and saw that it was Stackhouse. Very nice poster dunk that made Stackhouse look like a fool for even attempting to block it.

[Ben Urich]

Magic sucking it up against the Heat. Ugh. :down

[LegendaryCaleb]

Mavs are making me depressed this year...Im goin to a Mavs game next wednesday though!