Official 2007-08 NBA Thread

[E. Nygma]

They're old!

[Mister J]

J forgot to mention this one:

* They suck


Too obvious.
They're old!
That's a misconception.

The only guys who are a major part of the rotation who that could apply to are Shaq (35) and Zo (37). Shaq's struggles are documented, but Zo was bringing it and giving you more than decent numbers for a backup center 10 years his junior. Neither one of them has played recently as Zo is out for the season. Outside of Jason Williams (32), who's also been out of the lineup, the other 7 guys who routinely see play are all under 28. All inclusive, the Heat's average age is 27.2, less than top teams like San Antonio, Detroit, Phoenix and Dallas. Age doesn't really have anything to do with it. Production, cohesion and simply being good do.

[E. Nygma]

Too obvious.

That's a misconception.

The only guys who are a major part of the rotation who that could apply to are Shaq (35) and Zo (37). Shaq's struggles are documented, but Zo was bringing it and giving you more than decent numbers for a backup center 10 years his junior. Neither one of them has played recently as Zo is out for the season. Outside of Jason Williams (32), who's also been out of the lineup, the other 7 guys who routinely see play are all under 28. All inclusive, the Heat's average age is 27.2, less than top teams like San Antonio, Detroit, Phoenix and Dallas. Age doesn't really have anything to do with it. Production, cohesion and simply being good do.

Age doesn't have to do with production unless it's measuring what the guy has left in the tank. For Shaquille O'Neal it's very little. Zo's hurt and done for good now and White Chocolate is a marginal player nowadays.

They have one of the most exciting young players in the game in Wade, and Haslem is in his mid 20's i believe. But of the players on the team considered quality guys, even a Mark Blount bench player, these guys are all seasoned vets. Ricky Davis has been around a long time too he's gotta be 29? Not that that's old. But until they really clean house i dont really see a whole lot of a bright future for the Heat.

Plus Pat Riley is no spring chicken! :woot:

[Mister J]

Barring some miraculous trade or unexpected player growth, it'll definitely be a few years before they contend again. You need some seasoned vets to play at an elite level, but Miami's guys aren't getting it done. I'm just hoping that Cook, Quinn and Wright continue to get good minutes and that Wade gets taken out of the lineup until he's fully ready to go. In trying to accommodate the limits on his shoulder and knee, he's getting compensatory injuries. It's pointless to have him out there now with how bad they are. There's no gain in this risk.

Riley may actually be done on the bench after this year. He says his roles as President and Coach are becoming too conflicting. Gauging from the offseasons since the title, I can't disagree. His loyalty to players and preference for older guys at the expense of younger ones is hurting the matter.

[E. Nygma]

Barring some miraculous trade or unexpected player growth, it'll definitely be a few years before they contend again. You need some seasoned vets to play at an elite level, but Miami's guys aren't getting it done. I'm just hoping that Cook, Quinn and Wright continue to get good minutes and that Wade gets taken out of the lineup until he's fully ready to go. In trying to accommodate the limits on his shoulder and knee, he's getting compensatory injuries. It's pointless to have him out there now with how bad they are. There's no gain in this risk.

Riley may actually be done on the bench after this year. He says his roles as President and Coach are becoming too conflicting. Gauging from the offseasons since the title, I can't disagree. His loyalty to players and preference for older guys at the expense of younger ones is hurting the matter.

Someone told me today that Riley was stepping down after this season. I dont know if there is any truth to that, it's from a Basketball fan friend of mine not any of the networks or an Internet source.

and at least Miami has the fact that the eastern conference is top to bottom trash going for them. With the right moves they could be back to at least the top 4 in perhaps two seasons?

[Mister J]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3188228

Riley is leaning toward stepping aside as head coach after this season, despite committing in the offseason to coach the Heat through 2009-10, according to several published reports. Riley said it might be in Miami's best interests if he focuses solely on his duties as team president.

[NewYorkSpider]

Lakers are killing the Hornets. :huh: I thought that game would be a lot closer.

[E. Nygma]

Well there you go

But Riley still has been one of the better team presidents in the league over the last several years. So.....perhaps this is a good thing. Even though it involves the final retirement of a coaching legend.

[Ben Urich]

Bobcats beat the Celtics. :woot::woot::woot::woot:

[E. Nygma]

Bobcats beat the Celtics. :woot::woot::woot::woot:

I saw that

Ray Allen didn't play, and from what it looked like Boston struggled to shoot all night.

[NewYorkSpider]

The Celtics are who we thought they were! :cmad:

[Immortalfire]

Bobcats beat the Celtics. :woot::woot::woot::woot:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/owl1.jpg :wow:

[Ghostvirus]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3188228

Heck the rumor is he won't even stay past the All-Star weekend. What a f**king coward.:down:

[Mister J]

How is he a coward based off a rumor, especially when this story wouldn't have seen the light of day if Riley himself didn't mention it was something he was thinking about doing after the season?

"But that's after this season," Riley told reporters Tuesday, according to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. "That's not now."
:confused:

[Ghostvirus]

He is a coward, because he is leaving because the team isn't doing well. He has pulled this stunt before. It is pathetic. I am only saying that if he leaves before the end of the season he is a coward, but if he leaves after this season he is just a moderate jack hole.

[NewYorkSpider]

He's leaving because he feels it's best for the team, not because they're doing bad.

[Mister J]

So, if he honestly believes that his handling dual roles is hurting the team (which there's every indication that it is), the better choice is to stay until the owner tells him to get out?

If he wasn't President and coach, his job would be in question anyway. A change somewhere (actually in several places) needs to be made. Riley has sat through crap seasons with the Heat before. If he wanted to get out when the getting was good, he would have left after the title season. If he didn't have any commitment to the team, he would have stepped down after last year's playoff exit, especially after that craptacular offseason that made it very possible Miami would struggle.

[LastSunrise1981]

Dallas wins against Detroit tonight. Glad to pick up a win after the slow start and the struggles we've been experiencing with other teams.

Unfortunately I didn't get a chance to actually see the game and see how Dallas looked. :csad:

[Fran]

Ugh. :csad:

[Jerry!]

7 more to go.

[Ghostvirus]

He's leaving because he feels it's best for the team, not because they're doing bad.

I don't buy it. But whatever, again I find myself alone in my opinion. I am starting to get used to it.

[The Riddler]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fZwe5MS2vdA

:woot:

[Jerry!]

I don't buy it. But whatever, again I find myself alone in my opinion. I am starting to get used to it.

As long as you realize that while everyone is entitled to their opinion, it doesn't protect them from being wrong about it.

[Ghostvirus]

As long as you realize that while everyone is entitled to their opinion, it doesn't protect them from being wrong about it.

I will admit I am wrong when I am proven wrong. Until then no one is wrong or right. Some people here don't realise that.

[Ben Urich]

Via Gheorghe: The Blog (http://gheorghe77.blogspot.com) - Yao with a driving dunk on the Knicks.
fZwe5MS2vdA
Yao. Driving Dunk. And he's doing the dunking. :dry:

[DarbyD53]

Dallas wins against Detroit tonight. Glad to pick up a win after the slow start and the struggles we've been experiencing with other teams.

Unfortunately I didn't get a chance to actually see the game and see how Dallas looked. :csad:

From what I saw (mainly 3rd quarter) they played very well. Seemed like a game where everyone was hitting their shots. Dallas bench played really good, esp in the first half. Dirk was moving around a lot looking for shots, moving without the ball and ect. good win for them

[Silver Knight]

B-Zo to the Bucks?

WTF?

[Silver Knight]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fZwe5MS2vdA

:woot:
Why and how is Rose still is the L.

[E. Nygma]

I prefer the highlight of Nate hitting the buzzer beating three pointer with Yao defending him at the end of the half.

[DarthRekal]

Lakers Rollin!:word:


Alright BOBCATS!!!!!!!!! :up:

[Fran]

J-Rich beatin' the C's.

MSU alum :word:

[Fran]

Defending champions go down at the hands of DETROIT! :cmad:

[Jerry!]

I tried watching that game. I had a yawngasm.

[Fran]

I know; I was at the bowling alley while they had it on. They changed it to the Red Wings :o

[Ben Urich]

Yeah, nothing quite like watching the league's slowest and third-slowest teams (http://www.knickerblogger.net/stats/2008/o_pace.htm) duke it out in prime time. :dry:

The Suns/Jazz game has been bad, too. I turned it off. The teams combined to shoot 2-of-13 to start the third quarter. Yeah, not staying up for that one. :down

[Ghostvirus]

Congrats Fran.:up:

Get those wins while you can, because Jan. 19th is near.:cmad:

[batman44]

Yikes! Phx took a beating from Utah tonight. I know Suns didn't have Nash, Hill, and Marion, but still....it was ugly.

[Ghostvirus]

Well Da Bulls pulled themselves out a win against the sixer's. :up::huh:

[E. Nygma]

Sixers lose their 6th in a row. This is just ridiculous. I would really not like to see Maurice Cheeks finish out the season at this point.

[batman44]

Chris Paul was great tonight as the Hornets crushed Miami. How does the Heat go from being NBA champions to a down right crappy team in two seaons?

[E. Nygma]

Chris Paul was great tonight as the Hornets crushed Miami. How does the Heat go from being NBA champions to a down right crappy team in two seaons?

look on page 191 of this thread.

[LegendaryCaleb]

go mavs!

[Fran]

It's stunning that the Bulls can beat the Pistons, but lay down and let the Knicks f*** them :dry:

[Mister J]

Time for the draft yet? No?

OK.

[Ben Urich]

Magic. :csad:

[Ghostvirus]

It's stunning that the Bulls can beat the Pistons, but lay down and let the Knicks f*** them :dry:

Its because the Knicks have more respect. They take them out to dinner, you know treat them right before forcing themselves on them.

But the Pistons try & rape them right off the bat. No dinner, no movie, just rape. The Bulls ain't have that. No sir.:dry:

[Fran]

"No dinner for us, boys. Let's beat these sons of b****es, then get a hot dog :)"

[Ironhorse75]

Boston loses another one... to the Agentless Wizards of all teams.

[Jerry!]

6 more to go.

[Ben Urich]

6 more to go.

Yes sir. :up:

[Fran]

edit - Thanks Ben

[Silver Knight]

Wow didnt expect the C's to lose..

[Fran]

Woohoo, Pistons beat the Bobcats.

So by the transitive rule, we beat them twice :o

[Ghostvirus]

I am glad the Celts are starting to lose. There for a while I was thinking they would be the first team to win 70, but stink it up in the playoffs. I still say that they don't have what it takes to play in the big dance.

[Fran]

Detroit will be there with them... no matter what Rajon Rondo thinks.

[Ghostvirus]

& you better hope Chicago ain't there to ruin it.

[Fran]

Come the playoffs, it's a whole different monster... Detroit will be focused this year, because there is a bigger and badder team to stop.

[Ghostvirus]

& so far that "Beast" has let Miami, & Cleveland railroad them.

[L.A.]

Damn mavs beating my clips with that buzzer beater!:mad:

[Bond]

That was AWESOMEEEEEEE.

I went nutz.

[Ben Urich]

ZFxlz7yfAoc

Love that backhanded insult by the Clippers' announcers at the end. lol.

[LastSunrise1981]

Great shot and great win by the Mavericks. The announcers can throw a backhanded insult all they want, it's the win that matters at this point and I'm sure they weren't "celebrating" a championship win. I think they were just surprised that the shot went in.

I find it pretty hysterical that other teams celebrate in the same fashion and no one says anything, yet if the Mavericks do it, then god forbid they should celebrate because it means they're acting like it's a championship. :whatever:

[LastSunrise1981]

Was just checking the Mavs schedule and they have a stretch games against some weaker teams coming up. It'll be interesting to see how they respond to these games after winning against the Clippers.

They won seven in a row so far, so hopefully they can at least win the next two games. After Sacramento they'll get a five day rest period so that can be a blessing or a curse, we'll see how they respond to Seattle again after said rest.

Jan 14@Sacramento
Jan 19 Seattle
Jan 21@Washington

January 25th and the 31st will be the real test for the Mavs. On the 25th they face the Lakers on and the 31st is Boston.

[Ben Urich]

Great shot and great win by the Mavericks. The announcers can throw a backhanded insult all they want, it's the win that matters at this point and I'm sure they weren't "celebrating" a championship win. I think they were just surprised that the shot went in.

I find it pretty hysterical that other teams celebrate in the same fashion and no one says anything, yet if the Mavericks do it, then god forbid they should celebrate because it means they're acting like it's a championship. :whatever:

I'm pretty sure every team hears the "celebrating like they've won a championship" line. It's not just Dallas.

[E. Nygma]

I'm pretty sure every team hears the "celebrating like they've won a championship" line. It's not just Dallas.

Sixers announcer Mark Zumoff blows the roof off the building when the Sixers make a 3 pointer late in the fourth.

Then again, perhaps any Sixers win nowadays might have earned that.

[Jerry!]

It's just hometown bias, calm down. Every local TV/radio broadcast is like that. If it was ESPN or something then I could understand.

[E. Nygma]

It's just hometown bias, calm down. Every local TV/radio broadcast is like that. If it was ESPN or something then I could understand.

ESPN is biased, they love their Patriots and Brett Favre is an American Hero on every national network.

Bias is everywhere in sports.

[Jerry!]

I'm saying don't question a local broadcast team about being bias, it is the way it will always be. ESPN wasn't the one who said that about the Mavs, though I agree they are biased as well in certain areas, especially baseball. christ I can't watch a Red Sox game with an ESPN broadcast team. It's overwhelming. I remember in the playoffs a few years ago the White Sox went against Boston and one of the ESPN broadcasters actually said, with Boston down 2 games and late in the last game, "Well I know we are supposed to be fair and everything, but I really gotta pull for Boston here." It was so funny when they lost, Berman actually sounded sad.

[Ghostvirus]

I have lost words to express my complete disdain for the Bulls right now.:dry: I swear to god if they go on a losing streak again, & then beat Detroit. I am going to f-ing snap!

Detroit isn't the only team you need to beat dick holes!:cmad:

[LegendaryCaleb]

ZFxlz7yfAoc

Love that backhanded insult by the Clippers' announcers at the end. lol.
wow...or maybe they are celebrating because someone just made an amazing shot to keep their win streak alive...lol
idiot announcers just jealous

[Ben Urich]

wow...or maybe they are celebrating because someone just made an amazing shot to keep their win streak alive...lol
idiot announcers just jealous

There is such a thing as over-celebration. I mean, winning is great and all, but it shouldn't take a three-pointer at the final horn to beat the Clippers, especially when they're without Brand and Livingston.

[Fran]

Hometown bias is EVERYWHERE.

I live in Michigan, home of the "mighty" Wolverines. I'm a State fan, and seeing five articles on ONE possible recruit and two on a basketball win, compared to one MSU football article and one basketball article, is sickening. It happens all the time.

[LastSunrise1981]

There is such a thing as over-celebration. I mean, winning is great and all, but it shouldn't take a three-pointer at the final horn to beat the Clippers, especially when they're without Brand and Livingston.

This is where I think the misunderstanding of basketball comes in. Believe it or not certain players or a team rather tends to play better when they're without two of their best players. Why? Simply because it allows other players who never get the playing time to actually play and showcase their abilities, hence why the the elite teams can still be a pain in the ass without their best players.

It shouldn't take a three to beat the Clippers? Perhaps you're right, but in the end it doesn't matter, whether you win by 1 or 100 a win is a win and a loss is a loss.

In my opinion it was more celebrating that the shot went in, because let's face it, how many times have we seen Stackhouse actually hit a game winning shot? I sure as hell didn't expect him to make it and when he made I jumped for joy.

[LastSunrise1981]

wow...or maybe they are celebrating because someone just made an amazing shot to keep their win streak alive...lol
idiot announcers just jealous

We've seen Boston, Detroit, Los Angeles(Lakers), Phoenix, and a host of other teams supposedly "overcelebrate". I think teams like the Lakers, Warriors, and Suns are more guilty of it than any other team in the NBA.

[Ben Urich]

I think the point is "act like you've been there before."

[Ben Urich]

Pistons only manage to score 65 points in a loss to the Knicks. :dry:

[Fran]

Yeah.

Way to cap off a craptacular sports weekend.

-MSU chokes
-Red Wings lose
-Pistons suck

:down

[Bond]

And somehow the Chargers beat the Colts and the Giants beat the Cowboys :huh:

[LegendaryCaleb]

Yeah.

Way to cap off a craptacular sports weekend.

-MSU chokes
-Red Wings lose
-Pistons suck

:down

And somehow the Chargers beat the Colts and the Giants beat the Cowboys :huh:
strange week...gives me the heebee geebees

[Bond]

But that Stackhouse buzzer shot makes me feel better inside :wow:

[Silver Knight]

Lets get back on topic shall we..

[Ghostvirus]

What?:huh:

[Jerry!]

Well looks like Noah is getting into some trouble. He was inactive for Friday's game as well as the game against Atlanta because of an unanimous vote from the team after Noah got into it with an assistant coach on the Bulls staff.

Dammit, that is why we are getting blown out by the Hawks, we don't have his energy coming off the bench! Right Pax?

[Fran]

Lets get back on topic shall we..

:dry:

:down

[Mister J]

They voted Noah off the island. :lmao:
Lets get back on topic shall we..
Let's support no more than 2 teams, shall we? :lmao:
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I hate this season.

[Ben Urich]

Hopefully they'll keep Noah on the bench tomorrow, too. He's going to come out with a vengeance against us. :csad:

[Ghostvirus]

Well looks like Noah is getting into some trouble. He was inactive for Friday's game as well as the game against Atlanta because of an unanimous vote from the team after Noah got into it with an assistant coach on the Bulls staff.

Dammit, that is why we are getting blown out by the Hawks, we don't have his energy coming off the bench! Right Pax?

As long as he didn't hit him I don't see what the problem is. The Bulls need as many players as they can get. It is completely sad that an old ass man Like Joe Smith has been the best player on that team the last few games.

[L.A.]

2007-08 Power Rankings: Week 11
RANK (LAST WK) TEAM REC. COMMENT
1 (1) Celtics 30-5 Two Ls in one week? Losses to Charlotte by 12 and a roadie to the Wiz by seven? Losses that leave them on a mere 70-12 pace? The Celts can only hope that Bostonians are too mesmerized by Brady to notice.
2 (2) Pistons 28-10 Sentence we never imagined writing, no matter how weary the Pistons were: Needing only a win at MSG to reclaim No. 1, three nights removed from winning in San Antonio and riding a 20-4 wave, Detroit lost by 24.
3 (7) Mavericks 26-11 The Mavs have quietly moved to the top of the West by going 14-3 since their 12-8 start. But these happy days out of the spotlight might be ending, at least locally, after the unexpectedly early demise of Romo's Cowboys.
4 (4) Lakers 25-11 Things must have been going too well. L.A. is 16-3 since Dec. 2, almost matching Portland's 17-2 run, but the sight of Bynum going down is scary stuff, even for a team possessing the Lakers' enviable depth.
5 (5) Spurs 24-11 Even when you account for all the injuries -- even when Pop reminds you ''December and early January are times to stay patient'' -- you still struggle to grasp that the Spurs are No. 5 in the West and 6-8 on the road.
6 (3) Hornets 25-12 The Hornets had to drop some after being obliterated at home by the Lakers. But they're not going to fall too far in the midst of an eight-game win streak on the road, with seven of those victims residing in the West.
7 (6) Suns 26-11 Amare, Barbosa, Nash, Marion and Hill are all averaging at least 15 ppg. The significance? Gives us a chance to bring up the last team to have that many 15-point scorers: Our beloved Buffalo Braves in 1973-74.
8 (10) Warriors 22-16 The Warriors played awfully loose against Indy and this is not the time for it. This is the time to make a move with six of the next seven games against sub-.500 opposition and then just one road game in February.
9 (8) Trail Blazers 22-14 How will these kids hold up on the road after their remarkable 17-1 run? Take your curiosity one step further now, as in: How will they respond to a double-OT loss in Toronto in the opener of that seven-game trip?
10 (14) Wizards 19-16 Dare we say that East coaches have to name both Butler and Jamison as All-Stars. The weekend win over Boston was just the highlight; Washington is 19-11 since that 0-5 start and an amazing 16-11 minus Arenas.
11 (9) Nuggets 22-13 Not much changes in the Rocky Mountains, where the Nuggets can never seem to find lasting health. A mystery ailment has sidelined Nene again and they need a new point guard, too, after Chucky Atkins was shut down.
12 (12) Jazz 21-17 Good news: Okur and AK-47 are back from injury and a five-game home win streak has the Jazz four games over .500 for the first time in a month. Bad news: Utah still needs a team in the top eight to start slipping.
13 (11) Magic 23-16 Just when you thought Stan Van Gundy was going to start forcing his players to check into hotel rooms for home games, Orlando goes 1-3 on a four-game West jaunt for its first real road slump of the season.
14 (15) Raptors 20-17 Depth is supposed to be one of Toronto's calling cards. But with Bargnani amiss and T.J. Ford into his second month on the shelf, Bosh might have to keep putting up huge numbers to keep the Raps where they are.
15 (13) Cavaliers 19-18 Ready or not, Cleveland gets its long-awaited NBA Finals rematch Thursday in San Antonio. But the Cavs, even if they're not ready, have quickly climbed to within a game of No. 4 in the East with a 5-1 start to 2008.
16 (16) Rockets 20-18 No team in the West has played more road games than Houston's 22. But before we can say it gets easier now, we have to see if the Rockets can work T-Mac back in after their first-ever run of success (7-3) without him.
17 (17) Nets 18-18 The Nets might not be all the way fixed, but they do appear to be onto something with Josh Boone and Sean Williams starting. Since those kids joined triple-double machine J-Kidd in the starting lineup, Jersey is 8-4.
18 (18) Hawks 16-17 The Hawks can lament the NBA's ruling on the Miami protest all they want, but keeping that top-eight slot depends more on Joe Johnson. They're 11-2 when JJ scores 24 or more, but why doesn't it happen more often?
19 (23) Kings 14-21 Martin is back now and Bibby is on the way, but the return of Brad Miller might be the biggest news of all . . . if Miller's January form continues. He's suddenly averaging 20.2 ppg, 10.5 rpg and 5.2 apg this month.
20 (27) Bobcats 13-23 The Bobs are still up there on the list of first-half disappointments, but that was some week. Besides stunning Boston in Boston, they also halted the Nets' five-game win streak and dragged the Cavs and Pistons to OT.
21 (20) Pacers 17-22 Fall-from-ahead losses in Phoenix and Golden State left Indy with a 1-4 mark on its West Coast swing. That puts the Pacers at 2-9 since Christmas, which should explain why they've dropped out of the East's top eight.
22 (22) Bucks 15-22 Two Saturday tidbits to really make us feel old: Our pal Dominique Wilkins turned 48 -- how is that possible? -- and the Bucks lost in PHX again to extend a drought stretching to our senior year of high school.
23 (19) Bulls 14-21 Fallout from the spat between Noah and assistant coach Ron Adams dragged through the weekend, but I'd be more worried about the double-digit lead Chicago blew to the Knicks before the spat. At home, no less.
24 (21) 76ers 14-23 Was Korver their MVP? OK, OK: The Sixers' schedule has obviously turned in a most unfavorable way since the Utah trade. But that won't stop us from noting that Philly is 1-7 since dealing its sharpshooter, 0-6 in 2008.
25 (24) Grizzlies 10-27 The line between success or failure can't be this easy to figure for the Grizz. Can it? The stats say Memphis is 10-11 when Mike Miller scores at least 17 points. But when he's under 17 points? Make that 0-16.
26 (26) Clippers 10-23 Only two players have more double-doubles than Kaman's 25 in 33 games: Dwight Howard with 34 and Al Jefferson with 26. The problem? Kaman's double-doubles are pretty much the only source of joy in Clipperland.
27 (30) Knicks 10-26 We stand corrected. We figured Team Isiah was going to occupy the cellar for some time, but Miami's own embarrassment -- and surprise wins for the Knicks over Chicago and Detroit -- has trumped New York's misery.
28 (25) SuperSonics 9-27 Happy New Year? Not for Sonics players, whose 2008 begins with eight roadies in the first 10 games. And not for Sonics ownership, amid fresh worries that the Hornets will try to move to Oklahoma City before they do.
29 (29) Timberwolves 5-31 How giddy were the Wolves to see Miami last Tuesday? In the eight games that preceded the Heat's visit, all of them losses, Minnesota knew what it felt like to play with a lead for only 68 of a possible 384 minutes.
30 (28) Heat 8-28 The committee (of one) makes an exception to let D-Wade describe the 2006 champs' crash to the bottom: ''It's like having a nightmare and never waking up from it. You can't believe it's happening to you. But it is.''

[Jerry!]

Hopefully they'll keep Noah on the bench tomorrow, too. He's going to come out with a vengeance against us. :csad:

Yes with numbers like 4 points and 4 rebounds.

[NewYorkSpider]

I just looked at the Western Conference Standings. That's nuts! 8th seed Golden State is only 4 and a half games behind Dallas and Phoenix. You have 4 teams that could be in first within a couple of games.

[Dark Donnie]

Bynum out 8 weeks :mad:

Report: Bynum expected to miss eight weeks

Andrew Bynum is expected to miss approximately two months after suffering a devastating knee injury on Sunday night.

Bynum won't need surgery, but will miss eight weeks or so with a subluxation of the left kneecap, or a dislocated kneecap. The news could have been much better, but at least he doesn't need surgery. Kwame Brown suddenly looks like a viable fantasy option if you need a center to replace Bynum. Jan. 14 - 4:26 pm et
Source: Los Angeles Times

[Ben Urich]

Yes with numbers like 4 points and 4 rebounds.

Or 17 and 6 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280102030).

[Jerry!]

Against the Bobcats. He's averaging 4 and 3.

[L.A.]

Bynum out 8 weeks :mad:
Damn that sux! He was playing so well!

[Excel]

Lets Go Boston!

[Ben Urich]

Against the Bobcats. He's averaging 4 and 3.

... which equates to 13.7 points and 10.2 rebounds per 40 minutes. He deserves to be playing more than he is.

[Ghostvirus]

Bynum out 8 weeks :mad:

Where the hell is Rekal?

[Jerry!]

... which equates to 13.7 points and 10.2 rebounds per 40 minutes. He deserves to be playing more than he is.

Hahaha, ohh man I needed that laugh. That's okay, you don't watch every Bulls game. Wallace doesn't average 10 rebounds and he is the best rebounder the Bulls have. Noah gets bullied around down low too easily. And starting him or giving him more minutes, which won't result in better numbers really, you then put the Bulls best player, sadly being Joe Smith, on the bench more often.

[Ben Urich]

Wizards beat the Celtics. Again. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280114002) :dry:

Where the hell is Rekal?

I hope somebody remembered to confiscate his belts and shoelaces. :csad:

Hahaha, ohh man I needed that laugh. That's okay, you don't watch every Bulls game. Wallace doesn't average 10 rebounds and he is the best rebounder the Bulls have. Noah gets bullied around down low too easily. And starting him or giving him more minutes, which won't result in better numbers really, you then put the Bulls best player, sadly being Joe Smith, on the bench more often.

Smith has been playing well, but Wallace (5.4 points/40, 10.9 rebounds/40) should absolutely lose some minutes to Noah. Despite playing exclusively under the rim on offense, he's only shooting .326 from the field. He's a joke. He and Duhon both, actually. If the Bulls had a coach who knew what he was doing, they'd be a lot better off. Instead, Noah and Tyrus Thomas are losing minutes to Wallace and Aaron Gray, although Gray hasn't played much lately.

Regarding per-40 stats...
From KnickerBlogger (http://www.knickerblogger.net/index.php/2007/10/29/a-laymans-guide-to-advanced-nba-statistics/):
In 50 Words or Less
Throw out a player’s per game stats, and look at per-minute stats instead. Per minute stats are usually measured per 40 minutes. Study (http://sonicscentral.com/apbrmetrics/viewtopic.php?p=832#832), after study (http://ballhype.com/story/love_and_mathematics_pt_2_the_paul_millsap_quandar y/), after study (http://www.knickerblogger.net/2007/09/17/one-more-nail-in-the-anti-per-minute-arguments-coffin/) shows a player’s per minute production to stay the same despite how many minutes they play.

[Ben Urich]

The best URL ever -- www.heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.c om (http://heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com/), is accepting donations to send Larry that J.J. Redick Better Basketball shooting video. :woot:

[Jerry!]

Tyrus Thomas just seems lost out there a lot of the time. I'm glad Gray is getting more of a shot. I thought it was overdue really. I'd rather have Gray play more than Noah at this point. It's easy to look at numbers and say he is a better player, but ****, I don't know if Noah is ever going to start in the NBA the way I see him play.

[Ben Urich]

In what little I've seen of Gray, he's surprised me in a good way. Lots of hustle. It looks like he genuinely gives a damn. I like that in a player.

[Ghostvirus]

Hahaha, ohh man I needed that laugh. That's okay, you don't watch every Bulls game. Wallace doesn't average 10 rebounds and he is the best rebounder the Bulls have. Noah gets bullied around down low too easily. And starting him or giving him more minutes, which won't result in better numbers really, you then put the Bulls best player, sadly being Joe Smith, on the bench more often.

No sh**! This is sad indeed.:csad:

Wizards beat the Celtics. Again. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280114002) :dry:

Sweet! It looks like the old guys have run themselves out already.:up:

I hope somebody remembered to confiscate his belts and shoelaces. :csad:

Me to. Didn't Bynum get hurt last season as well, or was that Odom?

[CrypticOne]

Dang man, Nuggets lost a close one tonight. Melo missed that one shot at the free throw, I thought we were sending it to OT for a second there. Oh well....

[Ben Urich]

Me to. Didn't Bynum get hurt last season as well, or was that Odom?

That was Odom.

[Super_Ludacris]

*ponders the odd possiblity of a Lakers-Celtics final given there current record*

Wont happen and it would be hilarious to watch but damn....

Hope the kid Bynum gets a speedy recovery

[LastSunrise1981]

Ah ****, Dallas lost to Sacramento. Sacramento and Dallas tend to have great games that are high scoring and very energetic, Devin Harris and Jason Terry had pretty good games. Oh well, can't win them all now can you?

Now comes the four day rest before the next game.

[Fran]

Boston isn't coming out of the East to represent in the NBA Finals.

Teams are definitely gonna watch these last two games :up:

[Dark Donnie]

Nene has tumor removed on Monday

Nuggets' big man Nene had a tumor removed by doctors on Monday, according to his website.

No word yet on where the tumor was located or if it was cancerous, but a timeframe for his return is expected by the end of the week. It sounds like he will be out for several weeks, at least. Jan. 15 - 11:28 am et

[Super_Ludacris]

Ah ****, Dallas lost to Sacramento. Sacramento and Dallas tend to have great games that are high scoring and very energetic, Devin Harris and Jason Terry had pretty good games. Oh well, can't win them all now can you?

Now comes the four day rest before the next game.

Kings have been chalking up some big victories at home this season. I mean it aint like its 2002 again, but still. Word to Will Ferrell they need more cowbell.

[Super_Ludacris]

Boston isn't coming out of the East to represent in the NBA Finals.

Teams are definitely gonna watch these last two games :up:

Invariably during an 82 game season your gonna have little slumps here and there. Plus some teams just match up better to others regardless of record (See Golden State against Dallas last year in the reg season and Playoffs)

Shoot, I remember a couple of seasons ago when the Pistons were playing like the C's and they couldnt beat Washington in the regular season either.


Having said all that as much as I want to be Detroit vs. Boston ECF, teams like Cleveland and Chicago ( yeah I said it, Im not crazy...) and Toronto, Wash and Orlando to a lesser extent still worry me.

[Super_Ludacris]

Nene has tumor removed on Monday

Nuggets' big man Nene had a tumor removed by doctors on Monday, according to his website.

No word yet on where the tumor was located or if it was cancerous, but a timeframe for his return is expected by the end of the week. It sounds like he will be out for several weeks, at least. Jan. 15 - 11:28 am et

Damn hope dude stays strong

[Ghostvirus]

Invariably during an 82 game season your gonna have little slumps here and there. Plus some teams just match up better to others regardless of record (See Golden State against Dallas last year in the reg season and Playoffs)

Shoot, I remember a couple of seasons ago when the Pistons were playing like the C's and they couldnt beat Washington in the regular season either.


Having said all that as much as I want to be Detroit vs. Boston ECF, teams like Cleveland and Chicago ( yeah I said it, Im not crazy...) and Toronto, Wash and Orlando to a lesser extent still worry me.

I don't think you are crazy.:cwink:

Yeah Chicago is the dark rider right now. If they can just get there **** together enough to get into the playoffs. They could pose a big problem for almost anybody. I mean this is the east we are talking about.

[Ben Urich]

Magic. :down

[Jerry!]

I don't think you are crazy.:cwink:

Yeah Chicago is the dark rider right now. If they can just get there **** together enough to get into the playoffs. They could pose a big problem for almost anybody. I mean this is the east we are talking about.

Of which the Bulls have a below .500 record against. Dark rider my ass. The Bulls are in the unfortunate position to where they may make the playoffs, but just like every other year, everyone knows what the outcome will be. They aren't quite bad enough to get a good pick and they aren't good enough to seriously contend for anything. I wish the East were better so at least the Bulls can get better draft picks.

[Ghostvirus]

:whatever:

[Jerry!]

Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

[Dark Donnie]

Of which the Bulls have a below .500 record against. Dark rider my ass. The Bulls are in the unfortunate position to where they may make the playoffs, but just like every other year, everyone knows what the outcome will be. They aren't quite bad enough to get a good pick and they aren't good enough to seriously contend for anything. I wish the East were better so at least the Bulls can get better draft picks.

That was The Sixers for years....

[Ghostvirus]

Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

Much Like the Smush, & Penny reactions (which I was wrong about...wonrg!). I am going to wait, & see. I still think regardless of their record that if they can get into the playoffs, they can do some damage.

But I will admit. It isn't looking good at all right now.

[Jerry!]

Time has already told us. I'm getting sick of that excuse.

[Mister J]

There better not be any ****ing truth to this. (http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-spknix155538752jan15,0,397947.story)
Anything short of a season-ending injury would leave Marbury in play for the most sensible destination before next month's deadline: Miami. Pat Riley is desperate for a scoring guard. The Knicks would get point guard Jason Williams and small forward Ricky Davis, whose contracts totaling $15.8 million expire after the season. They also would have to take guard Smush Parker ($2.2 million), an immediate buyout candidate.

This is more palpatable (http://www.miamiherald.com/594/story/379657.html)
So Riley should seriously consider making a move, no matter how unpopular it would appear, if it meant the ability to add talent to next year's team. Because if the coach can unload a salary or two from this year's team, it would mean the Heat can fit a big-name free agent under the salary cap. And if Riley needs a reminder of just how much of an impact one top-five rookie plus one big-time free agent can have on his franchise, all he has to do is look back to 2003, when Wade and Lamar Odom transformed the Heat from league doormat to conference semifinalist in no time at all.

The thought of such a quick turnaround also might keep Riley from bolting the bench, given that the last time he was in such a scenario he regrettably handed that team off to Stan Van Gundy, only to beg back to a guaranteed winner two years later.

So with the midpoint of the season still five games away, it's already time to consider the next few months as an extended cool-down period to a workout session gone horribly wrong. If that means selective playing time or convenient ''injuries'' for Wade and O'Neal, consider it an investment for the future. Already there are reports circulating from Wade's hometown of Chicago with devious plans of the Bulls trying to lure Wade home after his the 2009-10 season.

The best way to avoid that possibility is by putting together a team next year that features Wade, O'Neal and, say, Shawn Marion and Derrick Rose. Or, say, Gilbert Arenas and Michael Beasley.

Oh, it can happen.

It just takes a quick salvage job from Riley -- and it has nothing to do with accumulating wins in the near future.

[Ghostvirus]

Time has already told us. I'm getting sick of that excuse.

Yeah...well... your face makes me sick. HAHA!:o

There better not be any ****ing truth to this. (http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-spknix155538752jan15,0,397947.story)


This is more palpatable (http://www.miamiherald.com/594/story/379657.html)

Once it came out that Wade has trouble playing in Chicago, because it is his home town, & his family is watching. I knew he would end up in Chicago. to me especially if the Heat keep declining like this, Wade will end up in Chicago.

[Mister J]

A bit early to forecast what'll happen in 2010, don't you think?

[Ghostvirus]

Oh, now it is early to forecast.:oldrazz:

[Mister J]

:confused:

[E. Nygma]

ESPN advertising that scintillating Bulls-Heat matchup tomorrow night! Cant wait for that gem!

[Ben Urich]

Yeah, I could use a nap. :up:

[Ghostvirus]

:confused:

Everybody gets on me for taking a wait, & see approach, & this is one of the few times I don't. & you tell me to wait, & see. I just thought it was mildly humorous.

Yeah, I could use a nap. :up:

:cmad::csad:

[Jerry!]

Well because the times you have used that we've already seen and known what is going to happen. Penny isn't Penny anymore, Smush was always bad, and the Bulls won't be doing anything again because they have the same problems as past years. It's not that hard to understand.

[Ghostvirus]

Well because the times you have used that we've already seen and known what is going to happen. Penny isn't Penny anymore, Smush was always bad, and the Bulls won't be doing anything again because they have the same problems as past years. It's not that hard to understand.


Please for the love of god just put that part about the Bulls in your sig, so you don't have to try & work that into every response. Please!

Its easy to gloat about Penny, & Smush now that you are right, but back when they were signed there was no gaurantee that they were going to end up bad. All you had was an opinion. The same as me.

Granted I was wrong, but I have also been right on many occasions. I was the one that predicted Miami would win the Ship. Even when J didn't think they would have a shot. I also predicted that the Bulls would sweep the Heat. I am just saying you make your predictions as best you can, & then you are either wrong, or right.

[Jerry!]

I won't have to bring it up every time if you stop acting confused about why the Bulls are losing to teams like the Knicks.

[Mister J]

Everybody gets on me for taking a wait, & see approach, & this is one of the few times I don't. & you tell me to wait, & see. I just thought it was mildly humorous.

Oh, I see. I suppose I'd say the difference was what you're basing it on. Opining on a trade or a team's current prospects is a bit different than predicting where someone signs 2 1/2 seasons from now. If Wade was the one babbling about how he wanted to play in Chicago, I could see the mention. However, he hasn't said anything to that effect. Also, I haven't seen a big market for guys placing playing in their hometowns as a priority in free agency. I'm not even sure how to go about prediction a free agent move 2 seasons from now. There's a lot that can affect that decision.

In closing, believing Flash is on his way out would toy with my remaining sanity. :up:
I was the one that predicted Miami would win the Ship. Even when J didn't think they would have a shot.
Ummm, when was this? I was strongly of the belief that ring was coming in '06, even after the Heatians got their asses handed to them in Games 1 & 2. :confused:

Such memories. :(

I hate this game.

[E. Nygma]

Sixers chasing 8 straight losses!

Losing 60-55 at the half to the McGrady less Rockets.

[Ben Urich]

Sooooo the Magic were lead by Rashard with 26 points; Howard and Bogans with 15; and Cook with 14 (:huh:?!). No one on the Bulls had more than 13.

:up:

[Fran]

Alright, we win a game! :up:

[Ghostvirus]

I won't have to bring it up every time if you stop acting confused about why the Bulls are losing to teams like the Knicks.

I am not confused as to why they are losing. I just think they are better than how they are playing, & you don't think that, so round & round we go...

Oh, I see. I suppose I'd say the difference was what you're basing it on. Opining on a trade or a team's current prospects is a bit different than predicting where someone signs 2 1/2 seasons from now. If Wade was the one babbling about how he wanted to play in Chicago, I could see the mention. However, he hasn't said anything to that effect. Also, I haven't seen a big market for guys placing playing in their hometowns as a priority in free agency. I'm not even sure how to go about prediction a free agent move 2 seasons from now. There's a lot that can affect that decision.

In closing, believing Flash is on his way out would toy with my remaining sanity. :up:

I would break down the complicated mathmatics that I have done to com to the conclusion as to why exactly Wade will end up in Chicago, but it would take a lot of time & effort. So....:o

Ummm, when was this? I was strongly of the belief that ring was coming in '06, even after the Heatians got their asses handed to them in Games 1 & 2. :confused:

Such memories. :(

I hate this game.

You didn't totally disagree with me, but you didn't think they could get past Detroit.

[Ghostvirus]

& the Bulls lose another one.:up:

[Silver Knight]

Wow. The Suns vs Clipps game is just horrible to watch.

[Silver Knight]

& the Bulls lose another one.:up:
Are you even suprised anymore?

[NewYorkSpider]

LeBron scores 51 in overtime win over Memphis. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Silver Knight]

Lebron is that dude.

[L.A.]

Wow. The Suns vs Clipps game is just horrible to watch.
Clips win!!!!:wow::huh:

[Super_Ludacris]

lol yo please pull that Knicks-Heat trade for comedic value....please.

I caught a bit of the Cavs game, Lebron needs to be more aggressive like that.

I was flicking between the Pistons-Raps and the Magic-Bulls game. Good win for the Pistons. That 2nd qtr annoyed me though, I mean y'all gonna just let Delfino do you like that? Rip was on his swag tonight with the 39 points. You knew he wanted to come out and play aggressivley after the bad night in NYC. My man even had on the crisp vintage XIV J's on just to make a statement :) Yessir.


lol@ the Knicks beating another top East team. Everytime Isiah is about to get fired he pulls this.

[Fran]

LeBron scores 51 in overtime win over Memphis. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

And he helps out my SHH team :up:

[Mister J]

You didn't totally disagree with me, but you didn't think they could get past Detroit.
...

Uhh, yeah I did.
Damn right, the rematch is on. I've been waiting for this. No abdominal injuries or deep thigh bruises this year and it's going down.

Go Heatians!
This team is more versatile and effective. As far as any continuity is concerned, they've had a whole year and two playoff series to meld and I like what they're doing. They're at the same point as last year and I believe they're better equipped to go further than before.
That's right after Detroit beat Cleveland and I was feeling good about how Miami matched up and looking forward to them reversing that L the Pistons hung on them in the previous ECF.

Also, if you predicted the Heat to win it all, why is your name listed under 'Mavericks' in the poll? :cmad::oldrazz:

There's a lot of good stuff in that thread. Plenty of insults, smack talk and general funny **** ...like this:
That's okay. If we get by the Suns in the series, it'll be fun watching the Mavs literally dismantle the Heat.

The Heat stand no chance against the Mavs or the Suns for that matter.
:lmao:

I'm just going to start posting in the old thread again. **** 2007-2008.

I hate this game.

[ElToro]

Did any one see the worriors and timberwolves game?
Did the worriors win?

[Super_Ludacris]

Who are the Worriors? an NBDL Team? Whats there mascot? A panicing Sixth man who is on edge biting his towel as the team collapses in the 4th Quarter?

[Ben Urich]

Did any one see the worriors and timberwolves game?
Did the worriors win?

105-98 (http://www.nba.com/games/20080115/GSWMIN/recap.html)

[Ghostvirus]

...

Uhh, yeah I did.


That's right after Detroit beat Cleveland and I was feeling good about how Miami matched up and looking forward to them reversing that L the Pistons hung on them in the previous ECF.

Also, if you predicted the Heat to win it all, why is your name listed under 'Mavericks' in the poll? :cmad::oldrazz:

There's a lot of good stuff in that thread. Plenty of insults, smack talk and general funny **** ...like this:

:lmao:

I'm just going to start posting in the old thread again. **** 2007-2008.

I hate this game.

Because that was last years playoffs that I thought that the Mavs would win the ship.

When I say you disagreed with me. I am talking about before the playoffs began. You didn't think they could get past Detroit. But as the playoffs progressed everybody started hopping on the Heat wagon. & no I am not saying you are one of them, you just became a believer that the Heat could do it.

Edit: Look J I was just trying to make a point that people are right, & wrong when making predictions, & that until it happens there are only opinions. I am not trying to gloat, or anything, but if you insist that I prove this, then give me the link to the 2005-2006 NBA thread, & I try to find what you wrote.

[Super_Ludacris]

Why the hell are we taking about lottery teams?

Keep it Elite Squads Fam...

[Mister J]

Because that was last years playoffs that I thought that the Mavs would win the ship.
That was the 05-06 poll. Last year's (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=238243)didn't have one.
When I say you disagreed with me. I am talking about before the playoffs began. You didn't think they could get past Detroit. But as the playoffs progressed everybody started hopping on the Heat wagon. & no I am not saying you are one of them, you just became a believer that the Heat could do it.Yeah ...that didn't happen either. I figured the Heat were good enough to beat Detroit before Williams, Walker and Posey came in and I was one of the few arguing that the trade made them even better. I was looking for Miami to take them out since the Jones boys managed to screw up the Heat's chances in the last 91 seconds of Game 7.
Edit: Look J I was just trying to make a point that people are right, & wrong when making predictions, & that until it happens there are only opinions. I am not trying to gloat, or anything, but if you insist that I prove this, then give me the link to the 2005-2006 NBA thread, & I try to find what you wrote.It's all good about predictions. We're all just talking **** anyway. :up:

I wouldn't waste too much time on trying to find something that doesn't exist, but here you go. (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=201905)

[LastSunrise1981]

Yeah, I was truly wrong about my prediction with Dallas/Miami. While I do maintain some beliefs about what I believe happened, in the end though, it doesn't change the outcome and you have to make the shots. Miami made the shots and Dallas didn't.

Ideally we should've won because I truly do believe Dallas was and is the better team. It just does to show you that Miami wanted it more and the team who wants it more usually wins. It is kind of fun watching them suffer though after the 2006 heartbreak we suffered. :oldrazz: :woot: :hoboj:

[Mister J]

It's hard to believe that was only 19 months ago. :(

Oh, how far the mighty have fallen

...and gotten older

...and brought in the wrong players

...and just generally play like ass too often

When is the draft again?

[Ghostvirus]

I may have picked Da Mavs in the poll, but I must have changed my mind at some point.

Finals
Heat beat the Mavs for the Championship in 6

But holy sh**! Look at this prediction.:wow:

HA! TEH SUCKY OPINIONS. CAVS WIN OVER SPURS IN THE FINALS, 4 GAMES.

With exception of the outcome, Homes is a prophet!


I think it was actually Lastsunrise, because he said something similar to what I was thinking J said. I guess after he snapped like he did, that he had no doubt that the Mavs were going to win. Anywho it is just fun going back, & reading some of the stuff being said. Question Is Ocelot, Jerry/Patent/Jerry!?

[Mister J]

That thread was lively. I had more fun when the Heat were actually good.

Question Is Ocelot, Jerry/Patent/Jerry!?
Yep.

[Ghostvirus]

I thought so. I recognized the positive energy.:o

[Jerry!]

I prefer to call it realistic energy. There's a difference.

[Silver Knight]

Your views on tradeing Wade?

I think it wiull help the Heat..

[Excel]

Lets Go Boston!

[Jerry!]

Your views on tradeing Wade?

I think it wiull help the Heat..

I don't know. Is he going to be the same Wade as before or is this mishandling of his injury going to **** him up for the rest of his career?

[Ben Urich]

Magic blow a 15-point halftime lead to the Bobcats. :dry:

First-round playoff exit, here we come.

[Fran]

:csad::up:

[Fran]

What the F***

The Bulls beat Miami 126-96? :dry::dry::dry:

[Ben Urich]

What the F***

The Bulls beat Miami 126-96? :dry::dry::dry:

Did you really expect Miami to win? :huh:

[Fran]

No, but not get beat by another mediocre team THAT bad :huh:

[Ghostvirus]

Bulls Beat the Heat.:up:

[Ben Urich]

No, but not get beat by another mediocre team THAT bad :huh:

They're the worst team in the league (sorry, J. :csad:), so yes.

What the **** is :dbz:?

[Fran]

It's the Dragon Ball Z smiley.

[Silver Knight]

Bulls Beat the Heat.:up:
Big fricken deal!

[Ben Urich]

It's the Dragon Ball Z smiley.

:dry:

[Ghostvirus]

Big fricken deal!

:dry:

[Silver Knight]

:dry:
You maddd son?

Bulls are trash. Move on..

[NewYorkSpider]

Is one of the 12 teams you support the Chicago Bulls?

[Ghostvirus]

You maddd son?

Bulls are trash. Move on..

I gotta tell ya it is people like this posting, that makes this seasons thread no as much fun for me. It has nothing to do with the Bulls stinking up the joint. There are just way to many people trying to start sh**.

[Super_Ludacris]

Is one of the 12 teams you support the Chicago Bulls?

Silver Knight= A whore with a yeast infection

[Super_Ludacris]

What the F***

The Bulls beat Miami 126-96? :dry::dry::dry:

The Duke/FSU game on ESPN>>>>> That game

[Ben Urich]

The Duke/FSU game on ESPN>>>>> That game

Gouging your eyes out with a rusty spoon > that game.

[Super_Ludacris]

Well I was watching Duke@ FSU.....

[Dark Donnie]

Did Nets offer up Carter to Knicks?
Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 8:49 am EST

Getty Images
There was some speculation yesterday the New Jersey Nets offered Vince Carter to the New York Knicks, who rejected it.

According to a Western Conference source claiming knowledge of the talks, though, it was the Knicks who approached the Nets, about a month ago, offering Zach Randolph for Carter. The Nets declined.

Source: New York Post

Related: Vince Carter, Zach Randolph, New Jersey Nets, New York Knicks

[Ben Urich]

Hahahaha. Send Vince to NY. He deserves it. :down

[Super_Ludacris]

lol@ that

[Silver Knight]

Silver Knight= A whore with a yeast infection
Reported.

[Ben Urich]

Reported.

:whatever:

[Fran]

Reported.

:whatever:
:whatever::whatever:
:whatever::whatever::whatever:

[Dark Donnie]

Nene's tumor determined to be benign

According to Nene's website, a biopsy of the testicular tumor he recently had removed showed that it was benign.

This is obviously great news for Nene and his family, and more information should be available later on Thursday. There is no timetable for Nene's return to basketball. Jan. 17 - 12:21 pm et
Source: Denver Post

[Super_Ludacris]

Reported.

Oh you went to see a doctor about? Good for you.....

[Mister J]

Early detection is key. :lmao:

[Ben Urich]

J:
Wally Szczerbiak, SuperSonics
He makes $12 million this season and $13 million next season, and he can still shoot it. If the Sonics could get him off their cap along with Earl Watson (two more years at $6.2M and $6.6M) in one fell swoop, they'd likely do it if they could get back expiring contracts and some kind of sweetener. Jason Williams, Dorell Wright and Ricky Davis for Wally and Watson is said to be in the works, by the way. And Miami could sweeten it with one or all of the three second-round picks it has in the upcoming draft (its own, Philadelphia's and Indiana's).

From ESPN Insider. The article is free today. http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=TradeProspects-080117&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dsherida n_chris%26page%3dTradeProspects-080117

:yay: or :csad:?

[Mister J]

:dry:

I don't really care about Watson. He plays good D, has a decent shot, if left open (no 3 game though), isn't reckless with the ball and isn't injury ridden. His price tag is less than J-Dub's, so I consider that an upgrade.

But why would they want Wally ...at 13M? :confused:
I like his shot, but I'm waiting for another one of his stints on the DL. He's about due. Forget about expecting anything on defense or the glass. He's 30 and had recent surgery on both ankles. Clearly, there's a better choice somewhere else. Pietrus was making noise about wanting to play in Miami. Why are they not on the phone with Chris Mullin?

On top of that, they want to throw in Dorell (instead of Parker's sorry ass) and possibly draft picks too? Really?

What the hell is going on out there?! [/Lombardi]

[Ghostvirus]

The Heat should be working on a replacement for Posey, & Shaq. Maybe even a point gaurd. If they are willing to give up that much. Maybe that wet NJ whistle enough to let go of Kidd, & maybe even Vince Carter. Is Ak-47 still out there as well?

[Ben Urich]

A team that has $33 million annually tied up in Shaquille O'Neal and Wally Szczerbiak. Think about that. :dry:

[Ghostvirus]

True.

[E. Nygma]

Shaq played well last night, looked very solid from what i saw.

[Jerry!]

A team that has $33 million annually tied up in Shaquille O'Neal and Wally Szczerbiak. Think about that. :dry:

You know who Szczerbiak reminds me of?

Who?

.....I can't remember.

- Johhny "Red" Kerr

[Ben Urich]

Shaq played well last night, looked very solid from what i saw.

24 and 10. But that's rare, sadly. :csad:

You know who Szczerbiak reminds me of?

Who?

.....I can't remember.

- Johhny "Red" Kerr

.........yeah..............:dry:

[Jerry!]

He was on air when Tom "Bore" Dore asked him who he reminded him of.

[Ghostvirus]

You know who Szczerbiak reminds me of?

Who?

.....I can't remember.

- Johhny "Red" Kerr

To be fair Johnny does seem to be losing it. So he probably actually doesn't remember.

[Jerry!]

I know. That's exactly why I couldn't stop laughing when he said it. Both ways it's funny, if he actually didn't remember or as a shot at Szczerbiak. He doesn't seem like a guy who takes a shot at a player so I'm guessing it's senility. Plus his random shouting throughout the game livens it up a bit.

[Ghostvirus]

LOL, yeah. He is like Harry Carey.

[Silver Knight]

Good to see my Cavs get up.

[Fran]

What about the other 11 teams? How did they do?

Or did the Spurs get down? :whatever:

[Ben Urich]

Actual NBA headline:
Nuggets' Kleiza drops in 41 points in easy win over Jazz
Linas Kleiza?! :dry:

[Ghostvirus]

One more day, before Detroit loses to Da Bulls again Fran. Are you ready for a team that defines Mediocre to once again trounce on da elite?:o

[Fran]

Well no matter what, we'll be playing in late April.

You'll just be getting your tickets punched.

Also, third time's the charm. Pistons win.

[Ghostvirus]

Your words cut deep Fran.:csad:*runs off crying*

[Super_Ludacris]

That new Jordan Commercial= Black Power!

[Jerry!]

Huh. Never thought Cuba Gooding Jr., and Hanes underwear represented black power. Guess I just didn't get that message from it. Learn something new every day.

[Super_Ludacris]

Huh. Never thought Cuba Gooding Jr., and Hanes underwear represented black power. Guess I just didn't get that message from it. Learn something new every day.

smh....

No the one they debuted last night on TNT showing all the athletes in school. :wow: @ Chris Paul dropping 61 in a high school game they day after his grandpops was killed at the age of 61. Those old Winky Wright, TO, Joe Johnson, Jeter clips.....too powerful

[Ben Urich]

Dave from Blazer's Edge previews the Heat (http://blazersedge.com/story/2008/1/18/1052/66427):
Before the season started I said of Miami, "Don't underestimate the heart of a champion." Obviously the Heat lost the heart of a champion somewhere. They don't even have the gizzard of a champion anymore. They do, however, have a shooting guard with the knees of an octogenarian, a center with the butt of a hippo, a coach with the ego of a French Chef, and a supporting cast with the reputation of being a circus. Oh, and they have Udonis Haslem. He's the janitor among all the prima donnas. You have to feel for the guy.

:woot:

[Super_Ludacris]

You know what's funny, 2 years ago when the Heat won the title and everybody was on bigging up Wade, I said right here " The dude has been in the league for 3 seasons and people are calling him the best player but what happens if he catches an injury early in his career. It could happen" and look how hes an afterthought.

Having said all that, I think he'll bounce back. Usually when people talk about the best player/best scorer/jordanesque player its usually between 2 of the following 3: Kobe, Wade and Lebron and anytime of them coasts games/injured/ has an early playoff exit they are considered an aftethought (Kobe was off the radar after the 06 Playoffs and then it was Wade and Bron, then Bron coasted the entire 06/07 reg season and it was Wade and Kobe, now its Kobe and Lebron)

[Fran]

Your words cut deep Fran.:csad:*runs off crying*

It's all in good fun. :up:

But it's true :o

[Super_Ludacris]

F the Bulls. Noah is the only dude with heart on that team and he's been voted to be bench cause he tried the fire the team up and chastise them for laughing on the bench when they were losing at halftime.

Ben Wallace= Definition of a bytch made *****

[Fran]

I laugh at the Bulls' demise. Let's laugh together, Luda :up:

[Ghostvirus]

It's all in good fun. :up:

But it's true :o

For now it is yes, but lets say Chicago beats them a 3rd time, & then lets say Chicago squeeks in at the 7th seed, & lets say the Pistons the in second place. You know you will be sweat'in

F the Bulls. Noah is the only dude with heart on that team and he's been voted to be bench cause he tried the fire the team up and chastise them for laughing on the bench when they were losing at halftime.
Ben Wallace= Definition of a bytch made *****

I know right? All the critiques are talking about how he hasn't earned his right to talk sh** yet. Well neither have any of these other guys. Wallace hasn't done sh** since he got to Chicago. The only thing I commend him for is, I heard on PTI that he is pushing for the younger players to play, & give him more bench time, so at least he knows whats up.

I laugh at the Bulls' demise. Let's laugh together, Luda :up:

Funny.:hoboj:

[Fran]

If the Bulls squeak in, no chance against Detroit.

The last two times Detroit has won the conference finals, a team was looking down at them, record-wise. When Detroit has to look up at a team (IE: Miami and Indiana), they are motivated to no end. When they have the 1 seed, they fall asleep at the wheel.

[Jerry!]

F the Bulls. Noah is the only dude with heart on that team and he's been voted to be bench cause he tried the fire the team up and chastise them for laughing on the bench when they were losing at halftime.

Ben Wallace= Definition of a bytch made *****


Are you talking about when he was the team voted him to be inactive for a few games? That was about him getting in a confrontation with an assistant coach. Haven't heard anything else, but I remember seeing I think it was Wallace and Joe Smith laughing at the end of a blow out. But that was after Noah had been voted to be inactive. So unless something else happened, looks like you're confusing something. Either way it doesn't matter much, because if they don't hit their jump shots it doesn't matter who has heart and who doesn't, they won't be winning.

[Ghostvirus]

Bulls play Warriors tonight. All I can hope for is that they at least make it hard for Jerry to find something negative to say.:up:

[Jerry!]

My points have been proven time and time again, I'd love to be wrong about it, but it's just not happening. If the truth is negative, then so be it. But at least I'm not fooling myself.

[Fran]

Amen :up:

[Raiden]

After the loss to Suns at home, I think Lakers really need to figure out how to win without Byrum and his inside presence. I think Kwane is not the answer, and he is at best a bench player who can occasionally come in to help. Maim is still 2 weeks away. I think Lakers have no choice but to pursue PJ Brown or other FAs, and they'd better do it fast since Lakers have to play another 25 or so games without Byrum. They might fall to #4 or 5 seed by the time he comes back.

[E. Nygma]

Huh. Never thought Cuba Gooding Jr., and Hanes underwear represented black power. Guess I just didn't get that message from it. Learn something new every day.

Cuba Gooding represents as much of the Black Power movement as Tiger Woods and Bryant Gumbel.

[Ghostvirus]

My points have been proven time and time again, I'd love to be wrong about it, but it's just not happening. If the truth is negative, then so be it. But at least I'm not fooling myself.

Fool yourself. Its fun, trust me.

Amen :up:

3 in a row, coming up.:up:

[omid17]

man i felt bad for Kwame last night :(

[Dark Donnie]

Artest says he would play for Pistons

Ron Artest told the Detroit media prior to Friday's game that he would consider playing for the Pistons at some point.

"I wouldn’t consider not playing here," Artest said. "But right now I’m doing Sacramento. But it’s not something I’m opposed to, you know. That would be a hell of a first day if Ron Artest was in a Pistons’ jersey. That would be kind of crazy." He was referring to the fact he was at the center of one of the most famous brawls in sports history at The Palace three years ago while a memeber of the Pacers. Jan. 18 - 8:22 pm et
Source: Detroit Free Press

[Dark Donnie]

Thomas turned down trade offers
Friday, Jan 18, 2008 7:32 am EST

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According to television and print media reports, New York Knicks GM/Coach Isiah Thomas has turned down trades that could have brought the Knicks Ron Artest or Larry Hughes among others the New York Post said.

Thomas turned down a chance at Ron Artest, because he didn't want to give up Nate Robinson and Renaldo Balkman in a package.

Naturally, the Knicks hope Artest will opt out after the season and sign with the Knicks for the maximum five-year, $30 million mid-level contract. It also was reported the Cleveland Cavaliers were interested in Jamal Crawford, and the Knicks could have snared Larry Hughes in a package.

Source: New York Post

Related: Jamal Crawford, Ron Artest, Larry Hughes, Cleveland Cavaliers, New York Knicks

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[E. Nygma]

Thomas turned down trade offers
Friday, Jan 18, 2008 7:32 am EST

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According to television and print media reports, New York Knicks GM/Coach Isiah Thomas has turned down trades that could have brought the Knicks Ron Artest or Larry Hughes among others the New York Post said.

Thomas turned down a chance at Ron Artest, because he didn't want to give up Nate Robinson and Renaldo Balkman in a package.

Naturally, the Knicks hope Artest will opt out after the season and sign with the Knicks for the maximum five-year, $30 million mid-level contract. It also was reported the Cleveland Cavaliers were interested in Jamal Crawford, and the Knicks could have snared Larry Hughes in a package.

Source: New York Post

Related: Jamal Crawford, Ron Artest, Larry Hughes, Cleveland Cavaliers, New York Knicks

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Exactly what the Knicks need, more over paid players with attitude problems. Isaiah is going to make the Knicks worse and worse yet remain the GM and Coach. He'll be the Matt Millen of the NBA.

[Asgard]

Most of you have probably already seen this, but just in case you haven't:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv7IZP7u9FE

[Silver Knight]

Dam!

Them heat suck!

[Fran]

Dear Ghostvirus,

Wait for the playoffs. Don't get your hopes up for false proclamations.

[NewYorkSpider]

Dam!

Them heat suck!

That's what she said?

[Ghostvirus]

Dear Ghostvirus,

Wait for the playoffs. Don't get your hopes up for false proclamations.

This win was bitter sweet, because it isn't just a matter of waiting for the playoffs. It is a matter of hoping we even get into the playoffs. If Chicago would be ranked higher, & showing promise. I would be loving the fact that Chicago has got one of the elites number, instead all I can think is. Why can't they play like this every night?

[Fran]

They play down to their competition, which will ultimately lose them a playoff berth or series.

Detroit does this to the Bulls, but no one else.

[Silver Knight]

Even if the Bulls do make the playoffs they wont get out of the first round.

[LastSunrise1981]

Dallas wins against Seattle. Not that it's saying much since it came after a four day rest period and they actually played defense this time around. In any event nice to start a possible new streak with a win. :up: :up:

[Bond]

Dallas played well :up:

[LastSunrise1981]

Dallas played well :up:

They should've, it was against the Sonics.

[Silver Knight]

Who do you think will get traded before the deadline?

[E. Nygma]

Who do you think will get traded before the deadline?

I hope Andre Miller doesn't, i'd really like to see him back in Philadelphia next year.

[Silver Knight]

I think he will somehow go to the Cavs, maybe for a 1st rounder.

[NewYorkSpider]

Why would the Cavs trade for a 31 year old and give up a first round draft pick? That doesn't make sense. Plus, the Cavs are playing decent right now. They don't need a trade.

[NewYorkSpider]

Nets, Pacers discuss swap of O'Neal for Carter.



Acquiring All-Star power forward Jermaine O'Neal from the Indiana Pacers remains a possibility for the New Jeresy Nets, but could cost them their own All-Star, Vince Carter. The Nets and Pacers, who discussed a multiplayer swap involving O'Neal in June, renewed talks recently, according to league sources familiar with the conversations.
The new proposal would send Carter, Marcus Williams and Jamaal Maglorie to Indiana for O'Neal. But O'Neal has a bone bruise in his knee that will sideline him at least two weeks. Nothing is imminent, though, as O'Neal's health and $64 million salary through the 2009-10 season are real deterrents for the Nets.

[Mister J]

It's rare that you see a rumored trade of two equally useless crunchtime players who are vastly overpaid. Interesting.

Although, I really shouldn't slight O'Neal that much. At least he has a decent attitude about things. He's simply not as good as he would like to be. That no good ass Vince Carter is just useless.

[NewYorkSpider]

The trade is interesting. O'Neal's knee may be a big question and the Pacers would be trading for Carter who has done nothing for the Nets. It kinda seems like an even trade.

[Jerry!]

This win was bitter sweet, because it isn't just a matter of waiting for the playoffs. It is a matter of hoping we even get into the playoffs. If Chicago would be ranked higher, & showing promise. I would be loving the fact that Chicago has got one of the elites number, instead all I can think is. Why can't they play like this every night?

Why? We apparently "had their number" last season and beat them in the regular season when we were sure they were going into the playoffs, and then we faced them in the second round and lost. This is just how the Pistons play. Is it stupid? Will it come back to bite them in the ass in the playoffs? Maybe, but it won't be against the Bulls.

[Super_Ludacris]

Ugh@ The Pistons weekend. The bench is failing us right now. Props to Chauncey though. Since that 11 game win streak, the team has played like bootycheeks (San Antonio win permitting)

I guess the top teams go through this struggle once in a while (See the Spurs as well)


Oh well could be worse, could be the Heat.


And Ben if your out there......LMAO@ the last 2 minutes of that Portland/Orlando game from Saturday. lol@ Stan ice-grilling Hedo Turkeyglue.

[Blitzz]

Ariza got tangled up somehow with Odom at practice and broke his foot

[E. Nygma]

god, Odom cant do anything right!

He'll do anything he can to hurt the Lakers, LITERALLY!

[Super_Ludacris]

Dayum....Ariza and Bynum out?

Psycho Bean gonna have to come out now...

[bbf2]

Odom is clearly on a mission to destroy the Lakers. I think he's still working underground with the Clippers.

[Ben Urich]

Didn't see the game. I was with my girlfriend the whole weekend. Basketball came second.

(Or third, if you know what I mean. :o)