Official 2007-08 NBA Thread

[Fran]

Let's start talking about the new season! So many questions...

Will the Spurs repeat?
Will Cleveland improve to try and return to the Finals?
Which young team will challenge the East's beasts?
What move will the Kobes make?
And what will become of the once dominant Pistons?

All this and more in the 2007-08 NBA Thread!!

[Ghostvirus]

Let's start talking about the new season! So many questions...

Will the Spurs repeat?
Will Cleveland improve to try and return to the Finals?
Which young team will challenge the East's beasts?
What move will the Kobes make?
And what will become of the once dominant Pistons?

All this and more in the 2007-08 NBA Thread!!

1. NO!!!!!
2. NO!!!!!
3. Toronto
4. Hopefully retirement.
5. The Pistons were never really dominate. Except in the East. My guess is Billups will leave. Rasheed will cry. Then leave. Then Chicago, Cleveland, Toronto, & Washington. Can finally get some respect.

I also think that Miami will be back, & talkier than ever. They are now nothing more than Bark.

[Fran]

Close the playoff thread, final results here on Tuesday.

[L.A.]

Close the playoff thread, final results here on Tuesday.
on the pool results, i was robbed in that pistons and magic series!!! I predicted a sweep but for some odd reason the hype changed my results and the pistons in 6????!!!!:whatever:

[Docker2.0]

Knicks will make the playoffs this year. Guarantee it! :o

[Fran]

on the pool results, i was robbed in that pistons and magic series!!! I predicted a sweep but for some odd reason the hype changed my results and the pistons in 6????!!!!:whatever:

Bump the quoted predictions, or stop whining.

[Go Web Go!]

Let's start talking about the new season! So many questions...

Will the Spurs repeat?
Will Cleveland improve to try and return to the Finals?
Which young team will challenge the East's beasts?
What move will the Kobes make?
And what will become of the once dominant Pistons?

All this and more in the 2007-08 NBA Thread!!

1. They're definitely going to be favored. Stay healthy and me says...maybe
2. They might improve, but so will Miami, Detroit, and Chicago. I don't think they're better than those 3. Maybe Chicago, but not Detroit or Miami.
3. None
4. None
5. They'll still be one of the top 3 teams. I'd still put my money on them or Miami in the Finals.

WHAT ELSE?! WHAT ELSE?!

:woot:

[Ghostvirus]

1. They're definitely going to be favored. Stay healthy and me says...maybe
2. They might improve, but so will Miami, Detroit, and Chicago. I don't think they're better than those 3. Maybe Chicago, but not Detroit or Miami.
3. None
4. None
5. They'll still be one of the top 3 teams. I'd still put my money on them or Miami in the Finals.

WHAT ELSE?! WHAT ELSE?!

:woot:

*Replies* Now do sumpin!:cmad::ninja:

[Ben Urich]

****, how'd I miss this thread? :huh:

Let's start talking about the new season! So many questions...

Will the Spurs repeat?

I'd rather scrape my nipples off with a rusty SOS pad than watch the Spurs win another title. :o

Will Cleveland improve to try and return to the Finals?

It'll be hard for them to get any new players, given their salary-cap issues. They also won't have the luxury of playing ****ty teams in the first two rounds of the playoffs next year. I doubt they'll make it back.

Which young team will challenge the East's beasts?

The only "beast" in the East is Detroit, and that's pushing it, seeing how they've declined over the past few seasons. Chicago and Toronto really impress me, as does Orlando. :o

What move will the Kobes make?

If they don't get Jermaine O'Neal, they could make a run at Zach Randolph. The Blazers would probably be happy with Odom, especially with his ballhandling abilities.

And what will become of the once dominant Pistons?

They'll continue to decline. They're still a top-four team in the East, but unless there's a big youth movement they aren't going to get into the Eastern Finals for a while.

All this and more in the 2007-08 NBA Thread!!

:word:

[Jerry!]

Let's start talking about the new season! So many questions...

Will the Spurs repeat?
Will Cleveland improve to try and return to the Finals?
Which young team will replace the East's (dying) beast?
What move will the Kobes make?
And what will become of the once dominant Pistons?

All this and more in the 2007-08 NBA Thread!!

No
Likely.
Chicago, if Paxson can get his head out of his ass.
No moves, maybe a trade, but not involving him.
Fade away into oblivion for a few years.

[CrypticOne]

I think the Nuggets will be a pretty dominate team and make a good run for the Finals. They will be a complete team with Melo, A.I., Martin, all on the court at the same team. Plus, Nene and Camby. You know this is a team to be watchful for.

I don't think the Spurs will repeat.

The Lakers need to stop thinking Kobe will win by himself and build a team.

I think the Suns will be pretty dominate. They're going to be hungry for a championship.

As for the Cavs, I don't know. I don't think they'll make the Finals next year.

[CrypticOne]

^ Kobe can't win a championship by himself. It takes a team, look at the Spurs. Kobe would be pretty dominate in the East, but he can't do it by himself.

[CrypticOne]

^ It would, but then you'll have people wanting a team to help him. He'll be constantly double teamed and just look how people reacted to the Cavs. They had LeBron, sure. But look what happens when you have one star on a team.

[Go Web Go!]

We got our first couple of moves of the off-season:

-Wolves trade PG Mike James to Houston for Juwan Howard
-Pistons trade Carlos Delfino to Raptors for 2nd round picks in '09 and '10

[Ben Urich]

I wouldn't want to see Kobe in Orlando. :down
Also, dominate is a verb. The noun of which you are thinking is dominant. Kthx.

[Ben Urich]

Derek Fisher's daughter is recovering well
"She's doing very well," Fisher said. "We're taking it one day at a time, but she's responding well to treatment and her spirit's good. We have to monitor her blood count to make sure she's all right, but we're blessed. We just continue to be amazed and appreciative of the prayers and support that have come from not just Salt Lake City or people we know, but from people around the country. It's been moving and touching."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/jazz/2007-06-13-fisher-tatum_N.htm

:up:

[Trainwreck2100]

It isn't the Spurs fault that they completely outclassed the Lebrons

And no they probably won't repeat, cause with most of the guys returning they will probably lose the hunger for another one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXsohwQ4YR8


Also Kobe wants out...........again

[Ghostvirus]

Derek Fisher's daughter is recovering well


http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/jazz/2007-06-13-fisher-tatum_N.htm

:up:

Well at least something good came of this season.:up:

It isn't the Spurs fault that they completely outclassed the Lebrons

And no they probably won't repeat, cause with most of the guys returning they will probably lose the hunger for another one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXsohwQ4YR8


Also Kobe wants out...........again

JESUS TAP DANCING MOSES ON A CAMEL WITH THE FOUR HORSEMEN OF THE APOCALYPSE!!!!

Edit: If this thread were any slower. It would be closed! Come on people! Offseason! New opportunities! Lets get this thing going!

[Go Web Go!]

There's nothing worth talking about. Not yet, anyway. The Kobe issue is old unless he DOES get traded, so until then or until the draft, I'd say it's going to stay this way.

[Mister J]

Derek Fisher's daughter is recovering well


http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/jazz/2007-06-13-fisher-tatum_N.htm

:up:
That is good news.

JESUS TAP DANCING MOSES ON A CAMEL WITH THE FOUR HORSEMEN OF THE APOCALYPSE!!!!

Edit: If this thread were any slower. It would be closed! Come on people! Offseason! New opportunities! Lets get this thing going!

I just want you to know that I'm likely to steal this and claim it as my own. :up:
I think Mamba has bipolar disorder or some mild case of schizophrenia: When the trade rumors first started, he shot them down saying "If I wanted a trade I'd ask for one".
A few days later, he's crying on Stephen A. Smith's show "Boo hoo hoo. I feel deceived. I've been lied to. I want a trade. There's nothing they can do to change my mind".
Later that afternoon, Big Chief Triangle calls him and says "Let us work this out". Apparently, that's one of the greatest statements ever because Mamba is on TV and radio the next day, basically singing the main song from The Sound of Music; "I don't want to go anywhere. This is my team. I grew up loving the Lakers. I want to stay. Bippity Bobbity Boop."
And now, like 2 or 3 weeks later, this bastard wants out again?Christ, Mamba. Shut the hell up. :whatever:

The early money is on Phoenix, New York and Chicago. Not even Kupchak is loony enough to trade Bryant within the division. The Knicks don't have jack, in terms of viable talent, unless you want 50 cents (at best) on the dollar. That leaves the Bulls. If I'm the Lakers, I don't even think about it if Deng and Gordon (and most likely, the #9 pick) are firmly in play with whatever else it takes to make the deal work. I don't know if Paxson would gamble away his stockpiled talent on supremely talented, selfish headcase though.

Actually the Lakers, I'd tell Bryant to go **** himself unless the deal truly works for the franchise. He's on the hook for two more years and can't really dictate anything. It's not like he's going to sandbag his way out of town like that punk ass Vince Carter.

[Ghostvirus]

That is good news.


I just want you to know that I'm likely to steal this and claim it as my own. :up:

[Eddie Izzard]Do You Have A Flag?[/Eddie Izzard]


I think Mamba has bipolar disorder or some mild case of schizophrenia: When the trade rumors first started, he shot them down saying "If I wanted a trade I'd ask for one".
A few days later, he's crying on Stephen A. Smith's show "Boo hoo hoo. I feel deceived. I've been lied to. I want a trade. There's nothing they can do to change my mind".
Later that afternoon, Big Chief Triangle calls him and says "Let us work this out". Apparently, that's one of the greatest statements ever because Mamba is on TV and radio the next day, basically singing the main song from The Sound of Music; "I don't want to go anywhere. This is my team. I grew up loving the Lakers. I want to stay. Bippity Bobbity Boop."
And now, like 2 or 3 weeks later, this bastard wants out again?Christ, Mamba. Shut the hell up. :whatever:

I really don't understand the love people have for this A-hole. I just don't!

The early money is on Phoenix, New York and Chicago. Not even Kupchak is loony enough to trade Bryant within the division. The Knicks don't have jack, in terms of viable talent, unless you want 50 cents (at best) on the dollar. That leaves the Bulls. If I'm the Lakers, I don't even think about it if Deng and Gordon (and most likely, the #9 pick) are firmly in play with whatever else it takes to make the deal work. I don't know if Paxson would gamble away his stockpiled talent on supremely talented, selfish headcase though.

Actually the Lakers, I'd tell Bryant to go **** himself unless the deal truly works for the franchise. He's on the hook for two more years and can't really dictate anything. It's not like he's going to sandbag his way out of town like that punk ass Vince Carter.

Phoenix is just fine the way it is.
Chicago - Please god no!
New York - Best possible option, but as you said. They have nothing to give up.

I fear Chicago could happen. I don't want it to, but it could. I mean as deep as the draft is. The #9 pick would be tempting alone. Please god don't let this happen.:csad: Maybe they will do a three with Minnesota, & Chicago will get Garnett.:woot:

[Ben Urich]

Kobe Bryant = Hamlet.
"I don't know why I live yet to say 'this thing's to do' sith I have cause and will and strength and means to do it."
http://membres.lycos.fr/cinephilia/hamlet/HAMLET80.JPG

[Jerry!]

Let me tell you something, the number 9 pick in the draft isn't going to do jack for the Bulls. I would actually feel better if they would include that pick in a trade for Kobe or whomever. I've explained this before, as is, the Bulls don't have enough. They have a lot of really likable players that play hard, but it isn't enough. Believe me, I love watching players like Nocioni and Deng and Gordon, but you cannot fall in love with this team, and I hope Paxson hasn't, because I guarantee you this much, if Paxson doesn't make some moves, if he keeps the same core players, the Bulls will just be a good team that doesn't have enough talent to make the leap to a championship caliber team. Getting a player of Bryant's ability instantly puts them on that level. Sure you may hate his talking, his past, whatever, the fact is that he is the best player in the game right now. And if you trust Skiles, and by now you should, then you would know that it won't become an "all about me" thing with Kobe on the Bulls because he would have actual players surrounding him. You would lose a lot of the hate you have for him pretty quickly over the season.

[Ben Urich]

Kobe for Gordon, Deng, and the no. 9? Is that the most likely deal?

[Jerry!]

I haven't heard of any specific deals, but if thats one of them then I would do it in a heartbeat. It would most likely have to include Wallace as well, and they can take him.

[DarthRekal]

A) the winner of the pool got robbed unless it was you fran

i thought your rules were the winners of the pool starts the new thread

bad form if it wasnt you:huh:



B) ****! KOBE BRYANT.... im changin my sig again .. the sources are from the riverside press enterprise.. there is ONE.. i REPEAT ONE reliable source in LA and that my friends is it!.. KOBE is gone... get the eff out.... **** and your ***** ass ways... i hope we win a champiosnhip the year you leave us... you been giving our franchise and the team a bad name ever since you took over.. now you wana leave us like some cheap whore... **** YOU! i hope we do screw you.. i hope we bench your ass for two years and lose 82 games doin it.. i would LOVE to see that happen... just to show.. that ***** ass whiny silver spoon fed mutha ****as like you cant get their way.. cryin cause you not winning a ship.. look in yer jewelry box little ***** you GOT THREE.. how many ppl can say that??? shut the hell up and play ball you sniveling littlesack of ****... you cry cause you need help but you cried when you HAD help... i hope we get rid of this pussy and get some real BALL PLAYERS.... someone that knows TEAM ball... **** this vato !


c) **** KOBE BRYANT!

[Mister J]

Kobe for Gordon, Deng, and the no. 9? Is that the most likely deal?
Simmons had some scenario where that works with a throw-in player like Khryapa or Sefolosha and renouncing PJ Brown's rights. I'd say it's most likely (from the 3 teams heavily mentioned) because the Suns and Knicks just don't make sense. I'm struggling to see that happen though. Chicago would have the same problem they have now; no inside presence. It'd just switching two good perimeter players for an elite one. Seems like Paxson would rather wait and try to fleece somebody for Gasol, Garnett or J. O'Neal (for probably less than it would take to get Mamba) and addressing a problem area.

Of course, I'm waiting for this damn baby to change his mind tomorrow.

[Jerry!]

I think Wallace would have to be involved, to match the salary up. Gordon is one dimensional and 5-6 inches too short, but Deng is a genuinely good player and will probably get better. Still, if thats the trade, I would take it no questions asked.

[Mister J]

I'd hang up on Paxson if he threw Wallace's name in there. Who wants to be on the hook for 44M over the next three years to a 32 year old center, who areas of primary contribution (rebounds and blocks) have declined in each of the last 4 seasons? On top of that, they'd have to worry about resigning Deng and Gordon, both of whom have qualifying offer/free agency concerns coming up after next season. The Lakers are over the cap now. They'd likely be saying goodbye to one or both of those guys before Wallace's albatross of a contract comes off the books or paying luxury tax out the ying-yang.

[Immortalfire]

So, who's gonna prove us wrong next year?

[Spider-Fan]

I hope the Cavs make some improvements, get to the finals and win it this time!

[Ben Urich]

I'd hang up on Paxson if he threw Wallace's name in there. Who wants to be on the hook for 44M over the next three years to a 32 year old center, who areas of primary contribution (rebounds and blocks) have declined in each of the last 4 seasons? On top of that, they'd have to worry about resigning Deng and Gordon, both of whom have qualifying offer/free agency concerns coming up after next season. The Lakers are over the cap now. They'd likely be saying goodbye to one or both of those guys before Wallace's albatross of a contract comes off the books or paying luxury tax out the ying-yang.

Kobe on the Suns should be, like, illegal. Would they lose a game? :huh:
Also, seeing Kobe and Raja Bell on the same team would be fantastic. DRAMA!
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So, who's gonna prove us wrong next year?

:gl::cmad:

I hope the Cavs make some improvements, get to the finals and win it this time!

They better hope that someone's stupid enough to take Larry Hughes off their hands. They won't be able to get markedly better without moving his HUGE contract. Maybe they'll pull the trigger on a Gooden trade, but I don't know how much that'd improve them. Can you imagine their awful front line? Varejao isn't a 30-minutes-a-night guy, and Big Z isn't getting any younger.

[Immortalfire]

:gl::cmad:


I hear that the Magic are in talks to sign Hal Jordan to play for them. :wow:

[Ghostvirus]

I think Wallace would have to be involved, to match the salary up. Gordon is one dimensional and 5-6 inches too short, but Deng is a genuinely good player and will probably get better. Still, if thats the trade, I would take it no questions asked.

Thank god you aren't the Gen. Manager. Mark my words Bulls get Kobe. You will regret them getting Kobe. He is a whiny ball hogging little B**ch! The Bulls are one good center away from contending. The Bulls don't need Kobe, & they shouldn't want him. Gasol, J. O'Neal, or Garnett. These are the players that Paxson should be focusing on.

I agree with Rekal. Bench his a** for 2 years straight. Then let him walk.

[Ben Urich]

Haha, these guys on this Magic message board I read are delusional. They think Jameer Nelson is a starter on more than half the teams in the league. :down

[Spider-Fan]

Hughes has done nothing but be injured for us. I hope he does get moved.

[Ben Urich]

Lateral movement:
Hughes to the Lakers for Vladimir Radmanovic.
:down

[Ben Urich]

Jalen Rose quote of the week:
There's not a next Mike, people. Let him be the first LeBron.
:up:

[Jerry!]

llI'd hang up on Paxson if he threw Wallace's name in there. Who wants to be on the hook for 44M over the next three years to a 32 year old center, who areas of primary contribution (rebounds and blocks) have declined in each of the last 4 seasons? On top of that, they'd have to worry about resigning Deng and Gordon, both of whom have qualifying offer/free agency concerns coming up after next season. The Lakers are over the cap now. They'd likely be saying goodbye to one or both of those guys before Wallace's albatross of a contract comes off the books or paying luxury tax out the ying-yang.

Well then there shouldn't be any talks at all about it. As far as I know, for there to be a trade with a contract like Kobe's, Wallace would have to be a definite part of the trade if he were to go to the Bulls.

And Carnage, if you trust Skiles, then Kobe's attitude won't be a problem, if you don't by now, you should be calling for a new head coach. I'm sorry but Gordon is not the guy, he just isn't. Not for this team. He has to go. I cannot stress this enough, they cannot just go on with the way the Bulls are and expect to win titles. They aren't the Pistons. If the Bulls can get a player like Randolph, Garnett, then maybe. But who do you think they will have to give up to do that? Duhon, Sweetney? Hell no. Its going to be Gordon, Deng, Thomas, etc. One or more of the younger players anyways. I have no idea of their chances of getting Garnett, but since I haven't heard anything, or really read anything about it, I have to assume he is staying with the T'Wolves. Same with O'Neal and Gasol. All indications are that right now the best player in the league has a chance to play with the Bulls, and you either gotta pull the trigger or stay with what you have, and what they have is not good enough. You should know that by now.

[Mister J]

ll

Well then there shouldn't be any talks at all about it. As far as I know, for there to be a trade with a contract like Kobe's, Wallace would have to be a definite part of the trade if he were to go to the Bulls.
Bill Simmons highlighted how Chicago could get it done (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/blog/index?name=simmons&entryDate=20070530) with Deng, Gordon, Khryapa and the #9 pick, even though the listed numbers are about 8M off. Some nuance regarding renouncing a player's rights.
Additional notes: This deal works as long as the Bulls renounce P.J. Brown's rights; also, it means the Lakers would receive a mammoth (and appealing) trade exception in the deal.

Comments: This seems like the most natural home for Kobe -- it's a big city; they're a contender in the East; there's enough talent left after the deal to make a run, and even the MJ-Kobe symmetry works nicely -- as well as the best possible haul for the Lakers. The deal could work in a variety of ways: Instead of renouncing Brown's rights, the Bulls could include Andres Nocioni as a sign-and-trade (starting at around $5 million per) and renounce Mike Sweetney's rights instead of Brown's. If they wanted to get even more creative, they could make it Deng, Gordon, P.J. Brown (sign and trade -- one year, $10 million) and the No. 9 for Kobe. They could try to substitute Ty Thomas and a future No. 1 for Deng. Etc., etc., etc.

[Jerry!]

Well then that works for me. He basically is saying exactly the same thing I am. If they sub in Thomas for Deng, thats great as well. Its just all about winning when it comes down to it and what players give you the greatest chance of winning. Every move Paxson makes at this point with the kind of team he has now is "Will this help us win a title next season?" Not a year or two down the road. Right now. This season. This is where their window is. They get Bryant, they are in the Finals.

[DarthRekal]

i like the second part of your post J :woot: gets me all giddy...


we will have a TEAM!



do it mitch!!!!!!!!!!!




Let kobe BURN!... you know J if Kobe goes East i become a Heat fan!:wow: :woot:

[moraldeficiency]

i like the second part of your post J :woot: gets me all giddy...


we will have a TEAM!



do it mitch!!!!!!!!!!!




Let kobe BURN!... you know J if Kobe goes East i become a Heat fan!:wow: :woot:

HA!

[Ghostvirus]

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! I do not want Kobe on the f-ing Bulls! It is a step back. Not a step forward. This team the way it is now is so close to being a team that could contend for seasons to come.

Throw Kobe in there you blow up the Chemistry! Goddamnit! Why can't some of you see that! Just get a good f-ing middle man, & let Kobe burn in hell!

Sadly all this talk is futile. I have know deep down for a long time Kobe was going to end up in Chicago. He wants to be Jordan so bad he can taste it. If he ends up on the Bulls it will be like the end of Single White Female. Except the crazy chick wins! God I do not want to read the news that he has been traded to the Bulls. Please god, NOOOO!!!!!!!!

Somebody stop this madness!!!

[DarthRekal]

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! I do not want Kobe on the f-ing Bulls! It is a step back. Not a step forward. This team the way it is now is so close to being a team that could contend for seasons to come.

Throw Kobe in there you blow up the Chemistry! Goddamnit! Why can't some of you see that! Just get a good f-ing middle man, & let Kobe burn in hell!

Sadly all this talk is futile. I have know deep down for a long time Kobe was going to end up in Chicago. He wants to be Jordan so bad he can taste it. If he ends up on the Bulls it will be like the end of Single White Female. Except the crazy chick wins! God I do not want to read the news that he has been traded to the Bulls. Please god, NOOOO!!!!!!!!

Somebody stop this madness!!!
you're a smart man MC... this is indeed the future i see too....

if the man doesnt have the loyalty to stick with the city that basically... turned a blind eye to all his wrong doings... how loyal is he gonna be to chi-town you guys are DIE HARD!.. and you LOVE MJ!... he will get chastised and criticized constantly.... he will get so disgruntled and start throwing fits.... i can see the implosion now!

i hope pax doesnt it.. i'm actually gettin excited now about the chicago trade.... DO IT !

[Ghostvirus]

you're a smart man MC... this is indeed the future i see too....

if the man doesnt have the loyalty to stick with the city that basically... turned a blind eye to all his wrong doings... how loyal is he gonna be to chi-town you guys are DIE HARD!.. and you LOVE MJ!... he will get chastised and criticized constantly.... he will get so disgruntled and start throwing fits.... i can see the implosion now!

i hope pax doesnt it.. i'm actually gettin excited now about the chicago trade.... DO IT !

You had me until that last part. Now I hope you drown in a pool of your you own regret, pitty, & hatred. While maggots slowly eat away your flesh. All the while your darkest fear's devour your soul.:dry:

























Just kidding. Love ya man.:heart: :woot:

[DarthRekal]

You had me until that last part. Now I hope you drown in a pool of your you own regret, pitty, & hatred. While maggots slowly eat away your flesh. All the while your darkest fear's devour your soul.:dry:

























Just kidding. Love ya man.:heart: :woot:
i know you playing.. listen Kobe is a REMARKABLE player .. arguably the best today.. but he doesnt have the court vision of a nash... the selflessness of a lebron or the humility of a wade.... Kobe is amazing... but somethings wrong with his noggin.... you will get highlights galore in ChiTown but a ship?? like you said yuo may be taking a step back.. Detroit and San Antonio prove you need a TEAM to win nowadays...

[The Dude]

If the Kobe Trade goes through it'll most likely be Kobe to the Bulls, Gordon, Deng, and Tyrus thomas to the Celtics and Paul Pierce and the Bulls #9 in the first to the Lakers.

[DarthRekal]

If the Kobe Trade goes through it'll most likely be Kobe to the Bulls, Gordon, Deng, and Tyrus thomas to the Celtics and Paul Pierce and the Bulls #9 in the first to the Lakers.
not gonna take that... we would be back where we started ONE superstar and no cap... uh uh!


take deng and gordon and the 9 and run like hell!:cmad: :word:

[Mister J]

If the Kobe Trade goes through it'll most likely be Kobe to the Bulls, Gordon, Deng, and Tyrus thomas to the Celtics and Paul Pierce and the Bulls #9 in the first to the Lakers.
You must be a Celtics fan because...

[Bill Walton] That's a HORRRRIBBLLLLE trade. Oh, the humanity. [/Bill Walton]

The Lakers wouldn't ship Mamba to Boston if the Celtics offered Pierce and the #5 pick straight up. There's no way they go for #9.

[DarthRekal]

preach on J .. preach on!

[Mister J]

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8571/reverend20lovejoy202fr8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:up:

[L.A.]

I still think the PHX deal is bettter!!! Barbosa, Marion, and ATL 1st round pick next year for Kobe

[nolan's roll'n]

I still think the PHX deal is bettter!!! Barbosa, Marion, and ATL 1st round pick next year for Kobe
Wow, that's a great deal! You should be the gm for Phoenix! :woot:

[nolan's roll'n]

I hope this rumor is true of Miami trying to get Ron Artest or Rashard Lewis. If they get both, have D-Wade run the point and get artest to play small forward and Lewis play power forward.

[DarthRekal]

I hope this rumor is true of Miami trying to get Ron Artest or Rashard Lewis. If they get both, have D-Wade run the point and get artest to play small forward and Lewis play power forward.
they dont have cap for both.... they barely have cap for artest whom they have to TRADE for ...rashard is an FA

[moraldeficiency]

they dont have cap for both.... they barely have cap for artest whom they have to TRADE for ...rashard is an FA

Yeah, we can't afford all that....

[nolan's roll'n]

Yeah, we can't afford all that....
Well then just get Ron Artest, Miami needs a defensive player like him.

[Mister J]

Arison is worth 6 BILLION. **** the luxury tax! :ninja:

[DarthRekal]

Arison is worth 6 BILLION. **** the luxury tax! :ninja:
:hyper:

[AhabTheArab]

the rockets are turning into an offensive powerhouse over the offseason, however trading to get mike james back was pretty damn stupid if you ask me. shane battier is also being shopped around to open up some space for either rashard lewis or richard jefferson.

i know t mac has never won a playoff series, but he showed how much it effects him after they lost. look for them to have a big year if everyone stays off the IR.

and who the hell cares about kobe... good luck shipping him out.

[moraldeficiency]

Arison is worth 6 BILLION. **** the luxury tax! :ninja:

Have you ever met an owner of a Florida team willing to put financial gain behind the team? It just doesn't happen here. We win a world series, we sell every player we've got. How'd we get Shaq? Mainly cause he wanted to piss Kobe off so he agreed to the pay cut. Morning came back for the ring not the money. Unfortunately no matter how rich our owners are, they inevitably screw the fans whenever possible. And don't getting me @ucking started on his dealings with Trump!!! *takes a joint and a zanax* There, better.

[Mister J]

the rockets are turning into an offensive powerhouse over the offseason, however trading to get mike james back was pretty damn stupid if you ask me. shane battier is also being shopped around to open up some space for either rashard lewis or richard jefferson.

Jefferson makes more than twice as much as Battier and I imagine Lewis will looking for a comparable amount of money when he signs his new deal (~12M+). Battier is a nice player, but I don't see how he brings back Jefferson in a trade. T-Mac and Yao are off limits there and they don't have anything else worth while to sweeten the deal. I know Houston is Lewis' hometown, but I don't see him taking that sizable a hit to the wallet IF he leaves Seattle.

i know t mac has never won a playoff series, but he showed how much it effects him after they lost. He tried ...he tried, man. He ...He. I can't do this...
and who the hell cares about kobe... good luck shipping him out.That's right. **** Mamba!

Have you ever met an owner of a Florida team willing to put financial gain behind the team? It just doesn't happen here. We win a world series, we sell every player we've got. How'd we get Shaq? Mainly cause he wanted to piss Kobe off so he agreed to the pay cut. Morning came back for the ring not the money. Unfortunately no matter how rich our owners are, they inevitably screw the fans whenever possible. And don't getting me @ucking started on his dealings with Trump!!! *takes a joint and a zanax* There, better.
I was joking more than anything else, but there's certainly truth to what you're saying. They gutted the Marlins twice and I don't even want to talk about the Dolphins' front office (although the Porter move was pleasant). Arison has said that while he doesn't want to go into the luxury tax, he will do so if it means the team can get significantly better. I want to see something behind that before I do cartwheels.

[L.A.]

Wow, that's a great deal! You should be the gm for Phoenix! :woot:
Than after that, PHX can trade Stoudamire for Garnett!!! PHX 2008 NBA Champions:D

[Ben Urich]

Don't forget the Magic when talking about stingy Florida teams. :csad:

[DarthRekal]

Than after that, PHX can trade Stoudamire for Garnett!!! PHX 2008 NBA Champions:D
are you sure you from LA ... NOFX????:wow:

im pretty sure PHX done up BOTH the Lakers and Clips.. and you a Spurs fan??:huh:


cmon man.. even clippers fans dont like the suns and spurs let alone BOTH!

[L.A.]

are you sure you from LA ... NOFX????:wow:

im pretty sure PHX done up BOTH the Lakers and Clips.. and you a Spurs fan??:huh:


cmon man.. even clippers fans dont like the suns and spurs let alone BOTH!
Im a basketball fan first! And to chance to see Nash, Kobe, and Garnett on the same freaking team???!!!! That would be exciting basketball!!!

[DarthRekal]

HORRIBLE!!!!!! im an LA fan first and as exciting as that is..... i would HATE IT!


Kobe deserves to be mired on a miserable team the rest of his bball career.. why reward him for being selfish???

KG and NASH i will give you..i would love to see both of them win rings....

Nash i gotta still hate as long as he's on the Suns though.. well maybe not if they get rid of Raja


anyway man.. CITY PRIDE!!!!!! homey good basketball is one thing... but basketball players come and go... you city is ALWAYS your CITY!

[Ben Urich]

Nash throwing oops to Kobe from 70 feet away = :up:
Kobe succeeding = :down

Save that **** for the All-Star game. :o

[DarthRekal]

Nash throwing oops to Kobe from 70 feet away = :up:
Kobe succeeding = :down

Save that **** for the All-Star game.
im with ya BEN!:wow: :huh: :wow: :huh: :trans:

[Ben Urich]

im with ya BEN!:wow: :huh: :wow: :huh: :trans:

All that you know is at an end. :ff:

[DarthRekal]

All that you know is at an end. :ff:


can i be the THING!!!:thing:

[LastSunrise1981]

I say leave Kobe just where he is. He goes anywhere else it'll be admitting that he's not a leader and will take the easy way out to succeed. This is what he wanted from the very beginning, he wanted Shaq out so he can have all of the glory and score all of the points.

He got what he wanted, leave his spoiled selfish ass just where he is.

[DarthRekal]

we dont want him!!!!!!!!!!

ship his spoiled selfish but to dallas... give us j terry and howard! :oldrazz:

[The Dude]

Kobe isn't going to anyone in the west. If Kobe gets traded it'll definatly be out East.

[DarthRekal]

Kobe isn't going to anyone in the west. If Kobe gets traded it'll definatly be out East.
GOOD!.. wish we could ship him to EUROPE!:cmad:

[Spider-Fan]

Kobe is heading East, unfortunately for my Cavs (unless he goes to somewhere like Charlotte...then it is OK).

[NewYorkSpider]

If he is traded he is going to the East. Most likely to Chicago or Boston. Woody Paige from Around The Horn said he is going to the Phoenix Suns. Why would you trade him to a team in your own division?:whatever:

[DarthRekal]

If he is traded he is going to the East. Most likely to Chicago or Boston. Woody Paige from Around The Horn said he is going to the Phoenix Suns. Why would you trade him to a team in your own division?:whatever:
ZACKLY!:woot:
Kobe is heading East, unfortunately for my Cavs (unless he goes to somewhere like Charlotte...then it is OK).
YES!:woot:

[Trainwreck2100]

we dont want him!!!!!!!!!!

ship his spoiled selfish but to dallas... give us j terry and howard! :oldrazz:

you don't want Terry

[CrypticOne]

GOOD!.. wish we could ship him to EUROPE!:cmad:

This is how I feel about this situation sometimes too. LOL.

[Jerry!]

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! I do not want Kobe on the f-ing Bulls! It is a step back. Not a step forward. This team the way it is now is so close to being a team that could contend for seasons to come.

Throw Kobe in there you blow up the Chemistry! Goddamnit! Why can't some of you see that! Just get a good f-ing middle man, & let Kobe burn in hell!

Sadly all this talk is futile. I have know deep down for a long time Kobe was going to end up in Chicago. He wants to be Jordan so bad he can taste it. If he ends up on the Bulls it will be like the end of Single White Female. Except the crazy chick wins! God I do not want to read the news that he has been traded to the Bulls. Please god, NOOOO!!!!!!!!

Somebody stop this madness!!!

What the hell do you want? Who the hell do you think we would trade to get a Garnett or Zach Randolph or a good center? It has to involve Deng or Gordon etc. Part of the team is going to be broken up to get a trade like that and you have to agree that keeping the team as is won't get the job done either. But please, answer me this, what is it you see in Ben Gordon? Because I am seriously struggling with that. He seems like a good guy, tries real hard, he just isn't good enough. And you're wrong. The Bulls aren't on the brink of being a contending team, they are a contending team, but thats all they will ever be if they sit still. Do you want a real chance to win a title, or just an underdog team that is fun to root for but in the end won't get it done because the West is just plain better if they make it that far but as was seen this year the East can still handle the Bulls.

You're starting to sound like Paxson. If Kobe is happy, team chemistry won't be a problem. Do the math. If Kobe can lead that Lakers team, or lack there of, to the playoffs in the West, how is it he is going to do worse in the East? What massive ego is there to conflict with on the Bulls like there was when Shaq was on the Lakers? There is none. Yes he will be the main guy, no doubt about it, but the difference is that no one will be competing for that, he will have actual teammates around him that help win games and have won games without a superstar. I just don't get you man. Getting Kobe is the best chance for a title that the Bulls have had in 10 years. Because face it, you think with the team they have now, plus maybe a Joakim Noah you get in the draft or whoever, that they can compete with the Suns or Spurs or Mavericks in a Final? They aren't Detroit, they won't be that kind of team.

If he is traded he is going to the East. Most likely to Chicago or Boston. Woody Paige from Around The Horn said he is going to the Phoenix Suns. Why would you trade him to a team in your own division?:whatever:

The Lakers would be fools to do that.

[Docker2.0]

they'd be fools to trade him to Phoenix but Marion, Diaz and a draft pick is probably the best u can get for him. Kobe, Nash, Stoudemire/Garnett on one team?! :eek: You could just hand the title to them!......and I can't stand Kobe! :cmad:

[Ben Urich]

they'd be fools to trade him to Phoenix but Marion, Diaz and a draft pick is probably the best u can get for him. Kobe, Nash, Stoudemire/Garnett on one team?! :eek: You could just hand the title to them!......and I can't stand Kobe! :cmad:

There's no way all those salaries would work together. I mean, it'd be them and a bunch of second-round draft picks with non-guaranteed contracts. :dry:
Incidentally, you just named four fifths of a potential starting lineup for the Western Conference All-Stars next year -- assuming that Yao is hurt. :o

[Fran]

Come to Detroit, Mamba. :o

[Ben Urich]

'Sheed and Rip for Kobe? :huh:

[Fran]

Yuuuup. :o

[DOG LIPS]

Kobe to Spurs for Parker and Ginobili. :o

[Trainwreck2100]

Kobe to Spurs for Parker and Ginobili. :o

Spurs ain't that stupid

[Fran]

Anyone get their Underdog tickets yet? I did :up::up:

[L.A.]

Kobe to Spurs for Parker and Ginobili. :o
hmmmmm

[DOG LIPS]

Anyone get their Underdog tickets yet? I did :up::up:

I got my ticket for Transformers, betch. :cmad:

[Trainwreck2100]

Is it true they gave optimus lips?

[DOG LIPS]

Yup. Big rubber fish lips. :csad:

(Not joking)

[Trainwreck2100]

that's the stupidest thing ever

[AhabTheArab]

almost as stupid as posting about transformers in an NBA thread...:trans:

[Trainwreck2100]

almost as stupid as posting about transformers in an NBA thread...:trans:

What if I were to say "the Spurs pwnage of Cleveland was on par with Unicron's pwnage of the wuss planet in the beggining of "Transformers:The Movie"

[Ben Urich]

ESPN put up a video of their top-5 dunks from last season. I can't link to it directly because it is Java, but I was able to track all of the winners on YouTube.

Ronnie Price on Carlos Boozer (:huh::wow:)
UcS0xyoQO3w
Baron Davis on Andrei Kirilenko (:wow::up:)
tYpwjB0IzoU
LeBron James on Tim Duncan (:yay:)
r0GiPPR_pG8
Chris Paul on Dwight Howard (:csad:)
UDjzvJYWtoc
Flip Murray on Kirk Hinrich (:o)
EsxBWdrWgNo

That's a great list, but I'm still wondering how one of Trevor Ariza's posterizations of Alonzo Mourning (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yt3_RZpHfeI), Emeka Okafor (http://youtube.com/watch?v=s9UlwNqG3AU), or Jermaine O'Neal (http://youtube.com/watch?v=FXgXPaCVa00) didn't make it.

[Jerry!]

Not so sure about that Chris Paul one. Its good because the guy is like 6 foot nothing, but he didn't really dunk on Howard, more like he ran past him and then dunked it. Other than that, list is good.

[Lobo]

I can dream

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/pnjb1zfinest/kobe.jpg

[Ghostvirus]

What the hell do you want? Who the hell do you think we would trade to get a Garnett or Zach Randolph or a good center? It has to involve Deng or Gordon etc. Part of the team is going to be broken up to get a trade like that and you have to agree that keeping the team as is won't get the job done either. But please, answer me this, what is it you see in Ben Gordon? Because I am seriously struggling with that. He seems like a good guy, tries real hard, he just isn't good enough. And you're wrong. The Bulls aren't on the brink of being a contending team, they are a contending team, but thats all they will ever be if they sit still. Do you want a real chance to win a title, or just an underdog team that is fun to root for but in the end won't get it done because the West is just plain better if they make it that far but as was seen this year the East can still handle the Bulls.

You're starting to sound like Paxson. If Kobe is happy, team chemistry won't be a problem. Do the math. If Kobe can lead that Lakers team, or lack there of, to the playoffs in the West, how is it he is going to do worse in the East? What massive ego is there to conflict with on the Bulls like there was when Shaq was on the Lakers? There is none. Yes he will be the main guy, no doubt about it, but the difference is that no one will be competing for that, he will have actual teammates around him that help win games and have won games without a superstar. I just don't get you man. Getting Kobe is the best chance for a title that the Bulls have had in 10 years. Because face it, you think with the team they have now, plus maybe a Joakim Noah you get in the draft or whoever, that they can compete with the Suns or Spurs or Mavericks in a Final? They aren't Detroit, they won't be that kind of team.



The Lakers would be fools to do that.

1. I think you are sorely underestimateing this team. They were very close to beating Detroit. They have Miami's number even when they are healthy. They have shown that they can run with the Suns. They have also beaten Dallas pretty handedly.

2. What I see in Gordon is potential star. It is just hat right now he has poor shot selection. & sometimes he can be a little ball hoggish, even when he isn't shooting well.

3. Tyrus Thomas could potentially be a big surprise next season. He is developing into a heck of a player. He just needs to calm down. He seems to get to excited, & passionate on the court.

4. What you want is a quick fix. I want to see this team slowly develope. I am willing to wait, & go through a few seasons of frustrations. If it means in the end they will have a long run. I look at this team as Fine Wine. Just wait, & all will work out in the end. With a much higher reward.

5. Here is what I forsee happening if Kobe came to the Bulls. Every thing would be hunky dorey for a while. Then Kobe will get pissed because the other players aren't doing all that great. Why aren't they doing good? Because he won't let them do anything.

So Kobe, frustrated will get up in Skiles's grill. Skiles being the Bulldog that he is. Will get in Kobe's grill. Thus createing friction throughout the whole team. Kobe goes to Paxson, & complains. Paxson knowing that getting rid of his star player would be ludicrous. He fires Skiles, & maybe even trades some of the players that were giving Kobe trouble. Thus Shaq, Kobe Part Duex is born.

Kobe does not elevate his team. Bynum, Lamar, Walton, Farmar, even Kwame could be great role player's. It has been proven when Kobe actually decides to pass.

If Kobe goes to the Bulls Ticket sales will skyrocket, but Kobe will squelch every single good player on that team. Till there is nothing left. Then he will B**ch, & moan. Then either be traded again, or retire.

If I have to wait it out Redsox fan style. I don't give a sh**! I will be there in 2050 with my breating apparatise on. Watching them win a ship, & think at least it wasn't with Kobe on the team.

[DarthRekal]

1. I think you are sorely underestimateing this team. They were very close to beating Detroit. They have Miami's number even when they are healthy. They have shown that they can run with the Suns. They have also beaten Dallas pretty handedly.

2. What I see in Gordon is potential star. It is just hat right now he has poor shot selection. & sometimes he can be a little ball hoggish, even when he isn't shooting well.

3. Tyrus Thomas could potentially be a big surprise next season. He is developing into a heck of a player. He just needs to calm down. He seems to get to excited, & passionate on the court.

4. What you want is a quick fix. I want to see this team slowly develope. I am willing to wait, & go through a few seasons of frustrations. If it means in the end they will have a long run. I look at this team as Fine Wine. Just wait, & all will work out in the end. With a much higher reward.

5. Here is what I forsee happening if Kobe came to the Bulls. Every thing would be hunky dorey for a while. Then Kobe will get pissed because the other players aren't doing all that great. Why aren't they doing good? Because he won't let them do anything.

So Kobe, frustrated will get up in Skiles's grill. Skiles being the Bulldog that he is. Will get in Kobe's grill. Thus createing friction throughout the whole team. Kobe goes to Paxson, & complains. Paxson knowing that getting rid of his star player would be ludicrous. He fires Skiles, & maybe even trades some of the players that were giving Kobe trouble. Thus Shaq, Kobe Part Duex is born.

Kobe does not elevate his team. Bynum, Lamar, Walton, Farmar, even Kwame could be great role player's. It has been proven when Kobe actually decides to pass.

If Kobe goes to the Bulls Ticket sales will skyrocket, but Kobe will squelch every single good player on that team. Till there is nothing left. Then he will B**ch, & moan. Then either be traded again, or retire.

If I have to wait it out Redsox fan style. I don't give a sh**! I will be there in 2050 with my breating apparatise on. Watching them win a ship, & think at least it wasn't with Kobe on the team.


true fanness .. dont ever let me question your fandom mc:wow:

sept i would rather win a ship i dont care whos on the team..

but your right all the kobe fans on the lakers board are making up excuses for him.. i wana hear from you guys .. from an outsiders perspective... i know our front office is effed up big time with fightin going on no trades being made.. but that doesnt make kobe right! and its true MC i think lamar walton farmar and kwame are DECENT ball players... i think kobe has some sort of unseen hold on them they act scared to shoot when he's around... kobe is phenomanal(sp) and gave his heart to us.. but now he's being the snake he is and backstabbing us and blaming it on someone else .. AGAIN!.. its time to call him out...

but the bulls or knock or celts want him.. i can see us being a TEAM again i dont care if we only win 15 games... we will be a TEAM:cmad:



oh yeah Ben ..peter vescey reports.. Rob Pelenka called Orlando.. oh yeah... give us HOWARD BABY!:wow:

[moraldeficiency]

true fanness .. dont ever let me question your fandom mc:wow:

sept i would rather win a ship i dont care whos on the team..

but your right all the kobe fans on the lakers board are making up excuses for him.. i wana hear from you guys .. from an outsiders perspective... i know our front office is effed up big time with fightin going on no trades being made.. but that doesnt make kobe right! and its true MC i think lamar walton farmar and kwame are DECENT ball players... i think kobe has some sort of unseen hold on them they act scared to shoot when he's around... kobe is phenomanal(sp) and gave his heart to us.. but now he's being the snake he is and backstabbing us and blaming it on someone else .. AGAIN!.. its time to call him out...

but the bulls or knock or celts want him.. i can see us being a TEAM again i dont care if we only win 15 games... we will be a TEAM:cmad:



oh yeah Ben ..peter vescey reports.. Rob Pelenka called Orlando.. oh yeah... give us HOWARD BABY!:wow:

The hold he has is if he doesn't get to take at least 40 shots a game he'll @itch and whine until they get traded. He destroys morale and team play where ever he goes. The best player in the NBA and he can't buy a ring once he went all @itch.

Chicago is up and coming but if they get him they're screwed.

[Mister J]

Ray Allen Interview on October 14, 2004 (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/basketball/195189_sonx14.html)

"He's going to be very selfish," Allen said of Bryant, who scored 15 of his team's first 20 points and had 35 points in Tuesday's loss. "And he feels like he needs to show this league and the people in this country that he is better without Shaq. He can win championships without Shaq. So offensively, he's going to jump out and say, 'I can average 30 points. I can still carry the load on this team.'

"I think the point production is not going to be so much what people are going to look at because (Tracy) McGrady did it in Orlando, Allen (Iverson) did it in Philly. Can you win a championship? I think that's the question. Carrying guys on your back and making everybody better."

Can Bryant do that?

"He has the talent, he can do it," Allen said. "But is his attitude going to allow him to take a back seat and let Lamar Odom shine and let Caron Butler have his nights and bring those big guys along with him?"

Allen said Bryant's ability and willingness to incorporate others will be the gauge for the Lakers' success. Bryant was re-signed for seven years at more than $130 million this summer.

"If Kobe doesn't see he needs two and a half good players to be a legitimate playoff contender or win a championship in about a year or two he'll be calling out to Jerry Buss that 'We need some help in here,' or 'Trade me,' " Allen said. "And we'll all be saying, 'I told you so,' when he says that."
Oh, that Ray.

[DarthRekal]

good post J .. it sucks i had to defend him... alot of shaq fans told me the same to.. i was conflicted by my lakers fandom.. how could i NOT root for someone in the armor??

but enough man... he really is a snake..:cmad:



never go against Jesus(Shuttlesworth)!

[Jerry!]

1. I think you are sorely underestimateing this team. They were very close to beating Detroit. They have Miami's number even when they are healthy. They have shown that they can run with the Suns. They have also beaten Dallas pretty handedly.

2. What I see in Gordon is potential star. It is just hat right now he has poor shot selection. & sometimes he can be a little ball hoggish, even when he isn't shooting well.

3. Tyrus Thomas could potentially be a big surprise next season. He is developing into a heck of a player. He just needs to calm down. He seems to get to excited, & passionate on the court.

4. What you want is a quick fix. I want to see this team slowly develope. I am willing to wait, & go through a few seasons of frustrations. If it means in the end they will have a long run. I look at this team as Fine Wine. Just wait, & all will work out in the end. With a much higher reward.

5. Here is what I forsee happening if Kobe came to the Bulls. Every thing would be hunky dorey for a while. Then Kobe will get pissed because the other players aren't doing all that great. Why aren't they doing good? Because he won't let them do anything. The idea that the Bulls are an "up and coming team" is a myth. Its not true. If they stay the course, they are competitive for a few more years, and then its back to rebuilding. And by competitive, I mean by getting knocked out of the playoffs in the first or second round.

So Kobe, frustrated will get up in Skiles's grill. Skiles being the Bulldog that he is. Will get in Kobe's grill. Thus createing friction throughout the whole team. Kobe goes to Paxson, & complains. Paxson knowing that getting rid of his star player would be ludicrous. He fires Skiles, & maybe even trades some of the players that were giving Kobe trouble. Thus Shaq, Kobe Part Duex is born.

Kobe does not elevate his team. Bynum, Lamar, Walton, Farmar, even Kwame could be great role player's. It has been proven when Kobe actually decides to pass.

If Kobe goes to the Bulls Ticket sales will skyrocket, but Kobe will squelch every single good player on that team. Till there is nothing left. Then he will B**ch, & moan. Then either be traded again, or retire.

If I have to wait it out Redsox fan style. I don't give a sh**! I will be there in 2050 with my breating apparatise on. Watching them win a ship, & think at least it wasn't with Kobe on the team.

You are thinking exactly what I fear most from Paxson. Wait it out? This is what we have been doing the last 3-4 years. I am not even going to go into the Tim Floyd-Bill Cartwright era before this. There isn't any time here. This is the window of opportunity, right now. You think Wallace is IMPROVING? Ben Gordon has no defense, he is not consistent enough to depend on him late in games and he has no size. Him getting taller is not going to "develop" over the next few seasons. Miami is an old team, the Bulls should dominate them even with a healthy Wade. Dallas and Phoniex yeah they played well against those teams in the REGULAR season. Just like they played well against Detroit in the regular season. Didn't seem to transfer too well. And that one win against the Suns was with Nash not playing that game, so you can pretty much disregard that game.

You're not looking at this team realistically. Realistically, Deng is good, but will he get THAT much better? In all likelyhood no. Will he be THE guy to depend on in late game situations? No. Hinrich is good, he has good defense, but gets into too much foul trouble , and has inconsistent shooting nights and combine that with the fact that you can't really have Gordon and Hinrich out there at the same time, because Gordon isn't a SG and neither is Hinrich, they are both PGs. And Gordon has the tendency of not playing good D because he is a midget compared to everyone else on the court as well as having inconsistent shooting. Seeing the problem here?

Noicioni is a great hardworking player, willing to do anything, good defensive player as well. But is he going to be any better than he was last season (not this year because he was hurt). Probably not, he most likely has hit his ceiling, and Deng is better than him. But he provides good depth. Wallace is not going to age like fine wine, thats just a pipe dream. Anyone can tell you that.

The only players I see that have good potential left or looks likely to improve on this Bulls team is Tyrus Thomas, Hinrich (maybe, he may not get any better) and Deng. Thats it. Basically everyone else is going to play how they are now or worse. What you have seen is what you will get. And thats not going to cut it, not even in the East as we have seen. What chance do you think they have against a team like the Suns or Mavs or Spurs or even the Nuggets in a playoff series? This team is not going to get better with age. They don't have the kind of team make up as the Spurs or Detroit, because quite honestly they just don't have the players talented enough to be that kind of a team. Every time I see people saying the Bulls are an "up and coming team" I laugh. Thats a myth.

And the idea that getting Kobe for ticket sales is dumb, the Bulls have been in the top 5 of season attendance for years now, I believe they led the league last season.

[moraldeficiency]

Damn that's a funny and painfully accurate post, J.

[Ghostvirus]

You are thinking exactly what I fear most from Paxson. Wait it out? This is what we have been doing the last 3-4 years. I am not even going to go into the Tim Floyd-Bill Cartwright era before this. There isn't any time here. This is the window of opportunity, right now. You think Wallace is IMPROVING? Ben Gordon has no defense, he is not consistent enough to depend on him late in games and he has no size. Him getting taller is not going to "develop" over the next few seasons. Miami is an old team, the Bulls should dominate them even with a healthy Wade. Dallas and Phoniex yeah they played well against those teams in the REGULAR season. Just like they played well against Detroit in the regular season. Didn't seem to transfer too well. And that one win against the Suns was with Nash not playing that game, so you can pretty much disregard that game.

You're not looking at this team realistically. Realistically, Deng is good, but will he get THAT much better? In all likelyhood no. Will he be THE guy to depend on in late game situations? No. Hinrich is good, he has good defense, but gets into too much foul trouble , and has inconsistent shooting nights and combine that with the fact that you can't really have Gordon and Hinrich out there at the same time, because Gordon isn't a SG and neither is Hinrich, they are both PGs. And Gordon has the tendency of not playing good D because he is a midget compared to everyone else on the court as well as having inconsistent shooting. Seeing the problem here?

Noicioni is a great hardworking player, willing to do anything, good defensive player as well. But is he going to be any better than he was last season (not this year because he was hurt). Probably not, he most likely has hit his ceiling, and Deng is better than him. But he provides good depth. Wallace is not going to age like fine wine, thats just a pipe dream. Anyone can tell you that.

The only players I see that have good potential left or looks likely to improve on this Bulls team is Tyrus Thomas, Hinrich (maybe, he may not get any better) and Deng. Thats it. Basically everyone else is going to play how they are now or worse. What you have seen is what you will get. And thats not going to cut it, not even in the East as we have seen. What chance do you think they have against a team like the Suns or Mavs or Spurs or even the Nuggets in a playoff series? This team is not going to get better with age. They don't have the kind of team make up as the Spurs or Detroit, because quite honestly they just don't have the players talented enough to be that kind of a team. Every time I see people saying the Bulls are an "up and coming team" I laugh. Thats a myth.

And the idea that getting Kobe for ticket sales is dumb, the Bulls have been in the top 5 of season attendance for years now, I believe they led the league last season.

Dude, I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree here.

I do agree that Changes need to be made. Kobe isn't one of those changes.

It comes down to that fact that you don't believe in this team, & I do. Only time will tell who was right.

[Mister J]

Apparently, KG is now OFFICIALLY on the trading block. Old Celtic teammates (Ainge/McHale) have confirmed the yapping.

[Ghostvirus]

Apparently, KG is now OFFICIALLY on the trading block. Old Celtic teammates (Ainge/McHale) have confirmed the yapping.

*Smacks Random Posterr* YEAH!!! LETS DO THIS PAXSON!!!!

[Ben Urich]

Apparently, KG is now OFFICIALLY on the trading block. Old Celtic teammates (Ainge/McHale) have confirmed the yapping.

Garnett to the Celtics for Jefferson, Rondo, Ratliff's contract, and some draft picks. :up:
Garnett and Pierce together? Holy ****, that'd be entertaining. :up:
Now let's put Gasol on the Bulls and see what happens. :up:

[Docker2.0]

Garnett to the Celtics for Jefferson, Rondo, Ratliff's contract, and some draft picks. :up:
Garnett and Pierce together? Holy ****, that'd be entertaining. :up:
Now let's put Gasol on the Bulls and see what happens. :up:

And Kobe to the Knicks! :dry:

[Ben Urich]

I can dream

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/pnjb1zfinest/kobe.jpg

lol, #46? That's awesome. :woot::up:

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1209/kobemagic2bo3dt4.jpg

:down:down:down

[Lobo]

24 was Bradley's # and it's retired in NY, so since MJ went from 23 to 45, Kobe will go from 24 to 46 :p

[Lobo]

Anyone here post at the pro sports daily forums? I lurk alot just wondering if I should sign up

[DarthRekal]

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1209/kobemagic2bo3dt4.jpg

:down:down:down
Kobe straight up for D Howard!!!!!!!!:wow: :up:

[Ben Urich]

Kobe straight up for D Howard!!!!!!!!:wow: :up:

Never. Ever. Ever. Ever.
The only player I'd even consider trading Dwight for is LeBron. Nobody else. :down

[DarthRekal]

Never. Ever. Ever. Ever.
The only player I'd even consider trading Dwight for is LeBron. Nobody else. :down
yeah .. we will see... you don't pull the strings..


that would be so Karma.. Ben.. you would have to be a Lakers Fan:woot: :trans:

[Mister J]

The speculation is that if it happens, the Lakers want a bona fide star in return (probably with some throw-ins). It seems that if he goes to Chicago, it'll have to be a three team deal.

[Lobo]

I don't know where he'll wind up but I cant really see Kobe returning to the Lakers after all of this.

[Mister J]

There's supposed to be a video clip (about half a minute) that some fans sneaked of him where he's ripping Bynum, Kupchak and the Lakers in general. The people who have it say they plan to sell downloads for $1.99. I want to see this ...for free, of course. :o

[L.A.]

I don't know where he'll wind up but I cant really see Kobe returning to the Lakers after all of this.
I agree.

[hitmanyr2k]

I don't know where he'll wind up but I cant really see Kobe returning to the Lakers after all of this.

He definitely has to go because I don't know how he's going to show his face to his teammates and try to be some kind of leader after he's been throwing them under the bus all summer...especially Bynum :oldrazz: Not very good for team morale.

And the Ray Allen article is too funny.

[Ben Urich]

yeah .. we will see... you don't pull the strings..


that would be so Karma.. Ben.. you would have to be a Lakers Fan:woot: :trans:

More like I just refuse to watch the Magic until Mamba retires. :down
I will never cheer for the Lakers. :down

[Ghostvirus]

If he does stay with the Lakers. Do you all think he could be the first Laker player to be booed by his own crowd?

[Mister J]

He'd kiss enough ass before the season to avoid it. Conniving bastard.

[fu manchu]

Kings choose Theus as next coach

The Sacramento Kings reached an agreement in principle Tuesday with Reggie Theus to become their new coach, ending a meandering two-month search for Eric Musselman's replacement.

Kings spokesman Troy Hanson said the club plans to introduce Theus, the New Mexico State coach and a former Kings player, at a news conference Wednesday.

The Kings' search progressed slowly and deliberately after the club's first losing season since 1998. Sacramento nearly hired Stan Van Gundy two weeks ago before he chose the Orlando Magic, while veteran coach Larry Brown recently expressed interest in the opening.

The Kings instead chose Theus, a well-liked 13-year NBA veteran -- though he has almost as much experience playing a coach on television as in real life. Theus, who transformed the New Mexico State program into an NCAA tournament club in just two seasons on the Aggies' sideline, has never coached in the NBA.

Musselman was fired April 20 after one season that began with his arrest on a drunken-driving charge. The former Golden State coach coaxed just 33 victories from a fractured locker room filled with grumpy veterans -- most of whom are under contract for next season.

Kings assistant coach Scott Brooks, and Los Angeles Lakers assistants Brian Shaw and Kurt Rambis also got second interviews with Sacramento owners Joe and Gavin Maloof, who reportedly picked Musselman after the coach wowed the brothers in an interview last summer -- just as Theus apparently did last Friday at the Maloofs' casino in Las Vegas.

Theus will leave New Mexico State after a historic two-year run. The long-suffering Aggies finished 25-9 last season, capping the NCAA's biggest turnaround in the past two seasons by winning the WAC tournament and playing in the NCAA tournament for the first time since 1999.

Theus did not answer his cell phone Tuesday evening, and New Mexico State athletics department spokesman Tyler Dunkel said he could not immediately comment on the Kings' announcement.

Theus brought excitement and credibility to the Aggies, whose fans packed the Pan American Center, and landed recruits including Herb Pope, a 6-foot-9 star from Pennsylvania. After Theus interviewed for the Charlotte Bobcats' vacancy last month, the school rewarded him last month with a new long-term contract worth $466,000 per season, making him the WAC's highest-paid coach.

But Theus' skills and style -- his players called him "Hollywood" because of his designer suits and preening poses on the sideline -- along with his winning record and Sacramento roots appealed to the Maloofs and Geoff Petrie, the Kings' top executive.

Theus, a two-time All-Star from UNLV, joined the Kansas City Kings during the 1983-84 season and moved along with the franchise to Sacramento in 1985. He was the Kings' second-leading scorer during their inaugural year in Northern California, then led the club in scoring during the next two seasons before he was traded to Atlanta.

After leaving the NBA in 1991, Theus played overseas and spent several years as an NBA television analyst for various networks while pursuing an acting career.

Theus wasn't a coach, but he played one on TV: Coach Bill Fuller, that is, for three seasons on TV in the Saturday-morning show "Hang Time."

After short stops with the ABA and Cal State-Los Angeles, Theus spent two years as Rick Pitino's assistant at Louisville before taking over at New Mexico State

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AraDl98kX7Eky34vXHrMEL85nYcB?slug=ap-kings-theus&prov=ap&type=lgns

:up:

[Fran]

No pool results till at least Thursday. Goddamn HP.

[Trainwreck2100]

http://i.cnn.net/si/si_online/covers/images/2007/0625_large.jpg

[Ben Urich]

http://i.cnn.net/si/si_online/covers/images/2007/0625_large.jpg

Wake me when the draft starts. :down

[L.A.]

There's supposed to be a video clip (about half a minute) that some fans sneaked of him where he's ripping Bynum, Kupchak and the Lakers in general. The people who have it say they plan to sell downloads for $1.99. I want to see this ...for free, of course. :o
A preview:cwink:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kt9DBMMwCM&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ebasketballforum%2Ecom%2Flo s%2Dangeles%2Dlakers%2F364203%2Dkobe%2Dcaught%2Dta pe%2Ehtml

[Mister J]

A 11 second preview (that loops the same 2 seconds) of a 24 second clip that cost $2. Dear God, society sucks.

Then again, society will have that 24 seconds (and possibly, the entire 15 minute rant) available for free soon enough.

I'm conflicted. :confused:

[Trainwreck2100]

Wake me when the draft starts. :down

And when the draft starts the Spurs will still be champions

[L.A.]

And when the draft starts the Spurs will still be champions
owned!:woot:

[The Riddler]

Never. Ever. Ever. Ever.
The only player I'd even consider trading Dwight for is LeBron. Nobody else. :down

dwight isn't THAT valuable...:huh:

[Ben Urich]

And when the draft starts the Spurs will still be champions

Which only matters to the city of San Antonio. :dry:

dwight isn't THAT valuable...:huh:

He's the second-best center in the league. :huh:
Good big men are hard to find.

[CrypticOne]

Wake me when the draft starts. :down

Exactly my thoughts.

[Ben Urich]

Jalen Rose awards $50,000 in college scholarships (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2910553)

:up::up::up:

[L.A.]

KG says no to Boston!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2912075

[The Riddler]

He's the second-best center in the league. :huh:
Good big men are hard to find.
if he can develop an offensive game, then we're talking.

he's more like the 4th best, behind yao, amare, and duncan.

however, both amare and duncan are sometiems labeled pf's, so uhh 2nd may be accurate.

until maybe oden comes along. then again, he needs to develop an offensive game, too.

so uhhh...

[Ghostvirus]

Holy crap! There is nothing going on in the NBA! So nothing but all talk. What a boring way to end a Boring playoff.:csad:

Next season can't come soon enough

[Lobo]

I think we might get a good trade or two to talk about on Draft night next week

[Ghostvirus]

Apparently The Bulls could of had Garnett by now, but he still won't give up Deng.

Bus also still...I repeat still! Won't give up Bynum for Kidd. What a retard.

[L.A.]

.

Bus also still...I repeat still! Won't give up Bynum for Kidd. What a retard.
Trust me if they can do that trade proposal over again, they would!!!

[Fran]

Pool results delayed another two weeks :csad:

[Mister J]

Apparently The Bulls could of had Garnett by now, but he still won't give up Deng.

Bus also still...I repeat still! Won't give up Bynum for Kidd. What a retard.
The vine of grapes says KG wants to go to Phoenix, which most sources say is near impossible. Haven't heard rumblings of him mentioning anyone else. He put the kibosh on that Boston **** with the quickness. God, the Celtics suck. It's lovely.
Pool results delayed another two weeks :csad:
No worries. I'm just going to declare myself winner.

"Mister J is the winner of the 2007 NBA Playoff Pool"

Done. :up:

[Soundwave]

There are rumblings out of Utah that Kirilenko could be moved this offseason. The Mavs were said to be interested a couple of years ago but the Jazz weren't biting but now they say they are open to that idea. I would love to see Kirilenko on the Mavs but the only question is who would Dallas give up. Utah needs help at 2-guard position.

[Fran]

Dirk. :o:up:

[L.A.]

Pool results delayed another two weeks :csad:
You cant ****ing add???!!!:cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

[L.A.]

No worries. I'm just going to declare myself winner.

"Mister J is the winner of the 2007 NBA Playoff Pool"

Done. :up:
Hahahahahaha Only someone who can watch the spurs like myself deserves the 2007 NBA playoff pool champion!!!:word:

[Mister J]

I watched it. :whatever:

I just didn't enjoy it. :o

Oh God, the pain. :(

[Fran]

You cant ****ing add???!!!:cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

I'm using the internet on my Wii. It's too damn tedious to make such a long post.

[Ben Urich]

I think we might get a good trade or two to talk about on Draft night next week

Lord, I hope so. :up:

The vine of grapes says KG wants to go to Phoenix, which most sources say is near impossible. Haven't heard rumblings of him mentioning anyone else. He put the kibosh on that Boston **** with the quickness. God, the Celtics suck. It's lovely.

Marion's made it known that he would opt out of his contract as soon as possible if he were traded to Minnesota, which means the Suns would have to ship out Amare. They're understandably hesitant to do that, seeing as how he's ONLY 24 YEARS OLD. :wow:

There are rumblings out of Utah that Kirilenko could be moved this offseason. The Mavs were said to be interested a couple of years ago but the Jazz weren't biting but now they say they are open to that idea. I would love to see Kirilenko on the Mavs but the only question is who would Dallas give up. Utah needs help at 2-guard position.

It isn't obvious? :huh:
http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060526/060526_howard_vmed_9p.widec.jpg

Fringe All-Star for fringe all-star. :up:

Also,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/incurock31/Uniforms/kirilenkomavs.jpg

:word:

[Mister J]

Marion's made it known that he would opt out of his contract as soon as possible if he were traded to Minnesota, which means the Suns would have to ship out Amare. They're understandably hesitant to do that, seeing as how he's ONLY 24 YEARS OLD. :wow:

I really hope Marion falls on his ass when he leaves Phoenix (and he will). I'm sick of reading his *****ing about wanting to be a larger part of the offense or be more appreciated. You're a swingman and you get to play with Steve ****ing Nash, you idiot! What could be better than that and playing in Phoneix's system? Goddamn plebian. :whatever:

[Soundwave]

Lord, I hope so. :up:



Marion's made it known that he would opt out of his contract as soon as possible if he were traded to Minnesota, which means the Suns would have to ship out Amare. They're understandably hesitant to do that, seeing as how he's ONLY 24 YEARS OLD. :wow:



It isn't obvious? :huh:
http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060526/060526_howard_vmed_9p.widec.jpg

Fringe All-Star for fringe all-star. :up:



Also,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/incurock31/Uniforms/kirilenkomavs.jpg

:word:

Jason Terry is also a possibility......

[Lobo]

I hope NY can pull off a sign and trade for Rashard Lewis. I think he'd be a big help for us.

[Ben Urich]

I really hope Marion falls on his ass when he leaves Phoenix (and he will). I'm sick of reading his *****ing about wanting to be a larger part of the offense or be more appreciated. You're a swingman and you get to play with Steve ****ing Nash, you idiot! What could be better than that and playing in Phoneix's system? Goddamn plebian. :whatever:

I like Marion. :csad:

Jason Terry is also a possibility......

Meh. He's not bad, but he's also not Josh Howard.

I hope NY can pull off a sign and trade for Rashard Lewis. I think he'd be a big help for us.

Mine! :cmad:

[LastSunrise1981]

I think Kirilenko coming to the Mavs would add some necessary toughness on defense for them. But it still doesn't solve the problems that exist within the current roster.

Dallas needs some toughness in the middle, they need heart, and they need a defensive minded guard that can keep up with the opposition who is either quicker or stronger. As I said, Kirilenko would be a great addition(If it did happen). But it still doesn't solve the Mavs problem.

Jason Terry isn't the problem at all. I think Dampier needs to go and a much more physical, stronger, quicker, and somewhat capable scorer needs to be the center for Dallas. He doesn't need to score 20 or 30 points, but an extra 10-15 pts, rebounder, decent free throw shooter, and great defensive presence would be of huge help.

[Mister J]

I like Marion. :csad:

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/2779/marionopeningwr6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/3762/lolwa8.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[Ben Urich]

SHAWN Marion. :cmad:

[Ghostvirus]

Trust me if they can do that trade proposal over again, they would!!!

I just saw a couple of days ago on ESPN that the Kidd deal could still go through, but Bus won't give up Bynum. Again what a retard

The vine of grapes says KG wants to go to Phoenix, which most sources say is near impossible. Haven't heard rumblings of him mentioning anyone else. He put the kibosh on that Boston **** with the quickness. God, the Celtics suck. It's lovely.

Chicago damnit! Chicago!!!:cmad:

No worries. I'm just going to declare myself winner.

"Mister J is the winner of the 2007 NBA Playoff Pool"

Done. :up:

Wow. you boys in Miami just like rigging everything.:yay:

I think Kirilenko coming to the Mavs would add some necessary toughness on defense for them. But it still doesn't solve the problems that exist within the current roster.

Dallas needs some toughness in the middle, they need heart, and they need a defensive minded guard that can keep up with the opposition who is either quicker or stronger. As I said, Kirilenko would be a great addition(If it did happen). But it still doesn't solve the Mavs problem.

Jason Terry isn't the problem at all. I think Dampier needs to go and a much more physical, stronger, quicker, and somewhat capable scorer needs to be the center for Dallas. He doesn't need to score 20 or 30 points, but an extra 10-15 pts, rebounder, decent free throw shooter, and great defensive presence would be of huge help.

Translation - Trade Dirky Jerky for Ak-47.:o

[Mister J]

Wow. you boys in Miami just like rigging everything.:yay:
As long as we win. :up:

[Lobo]

Mine! :cmad:

We'll see http://forums.diabloii.net/images/d2images/smilies/large/smiley_mad.gif

[Ghostvirus]

As long as we win. :up:

Tsk, tsk, tsk.:ninja:

[LastSunrise1981]

I just saw a couple of days ago on ESPN that the Kidd deal could still go through, but Bus won't give up Bynum. Again what a retard



Chicago damnit! Chicago!!!:cmad:



Wow. you boys in Miami just like rigging everything.:yay:



Translation - Trade Dirky Jerky for Ak-47.:o

Get rid of Dirk and the Mavs aren't a playoff team. Period. That's like telling Phoenix to get rid of Nash and Amare.

Bottom line? It's an interesting off-season for the Mavericks and I do expect some moves to be made. They cannot keep the same core and expect to win a championship with the weak defense, weak offense, and lack of heart they displayed in the first round against an 8th seed.


I'm a Mavericks fan, but I'm also a realist too. We'll see what happens when the time comes.

It's very weird to see two teams that made it to the finals last year literally get embarassed this year. Miami wins championship and gets swept by the Bulls, Dallas makes it to the championship and might as well have gotten swept by Golden State.

[Ghostvirus]

Get rid of Dirk and the Mavs aren't a playoff team. Period. That's like telling Phoenix to get rid of Nash and Amare.

Bottom line? It's an interesting off-season for the Mavericks and I do expect some moves to be made. They cannot keep the same core and expect to win a championship with the weak defense, weak offense, and lack of heart they displayed in the first round against an 8th seed.


I'm a Mavericks fan, but I'm also a realist too. We'll see what happens when the time comes.

It's very weird to see two teams that made it to the finals last year literally get embarassed this year. Miami wins championship and gets swept by the Bulls, Dallas makes it to the championship and might as well have gotten swept by Golden State.

I am sorry, but until proven otherwise. Dirk is the least talented, & most expendable person on that team.

[Ben Urich]

I am sorry, but until proven otherwise. Dirk is the least talented, & most expendable person on that team.

You'd rather build your team around Austin Croshere? Pops Mensah-Bonsu? DJ Mbenga? Maurice Ager? :dry:
I know you don't like Dirk, but don't be ridiculous. I mean, he's not my favorite guy either, but he's also the best player on that team and one of the ten best in the league.

[Ghostvirus]

You'd rather build your team around Austin Croshere? Pops Mensah-Bonsu? DJ Mbenga? Maurice Ager? :dry:
I know you don't like Dirk, but don't be ridiculous. I mean, he's not my favorite guy either, but he's also the best player on that team and one of the ten best in the league.

I love how you named mediocre players to prove your point.:whatever:

To answer. No, but I would build my team around Jason Terry, & Josh Howard. I think that they are the 2 best players on that team.

[LastSunrise1981]

I love how you named mediocre players to prove your point.:whatever:

To answer. No, but I would build my team around Jason Terry, & Josh Howard. I think that they are the 2 best players on that team.

No, they're not. Dirk is what makes the offense go and he's what makes that team go. As it's been said you get rid of Dirk and Dallas becomes a mediocre team.

Without him they wouldn't have made it to the championships in 2006, without him they wouldn't have averaged a 60 win season. I'm not denying that he hasn't disappointed and hasn't displayed the heart, leadership, and drive that is necessary to lead a team to a championship.

But to say he's the least talented of the team is both dishonest and stupid.

[Jerry!]

I am sorry, but until proven otherwise. Dirk is the least talented, & most expendable person on that team.


I hope this is your idea of some kind of sick joke. OK you don't like the guy. Put that aside for a second. Its not him that is asking for the MVP award, its the people who voted for him. I'm sure if he had his choice he wouldn't take it. He is not the prototypical "leadership guy", but when he plays well, the Mavs win, period. But the least talented on the team?? See this is why its tough for me to go along with you on your idea with the Bulls being an "up and coming team." No offense, but it seems either you don't know what you're talking about sometimes or you let emotion get in the way of fact.

[CrypticOne]

Anyone hear that there might be a trade between Marcus Camby for Jermaine O' Neal?

[L.A.]

I just saw a couple of days ago on ESPN that the Kidd deal could still go through, but Bus won't give up Bynum. Again what a retard
In the lakers fourm, I've heard the exact opposite! That the nets dont want to pull the trade.

[Ghostvirus]

No, they're not. Dirk is what makes the offense go and he's what makes that team go. As it's been said you get rid of Dirk and Dallas becomes a mediocre team.

Without him they wouldn't have made it to the championships in 2006, without him they wouldn't have averaged a 60 win season. I'm not denying that he hasn't disappointed and hasn't displayed the heart, leadership, and drive that is necessary to lead a team to a championship.

But to say he's the least talented of the team is both dishonest and stupid.

This man is a veteran. If he doesn't show leadership now. He isn't going to. He is supposed to be the leader of that team, because he is supposedly the best on that team, but he has shown that he can't lead.

Therefore he is dragging that team down. Simply because when it is crunch time they turn to him.

It is just my opinion, & as it stands right now. There is plenty of evidence to support it. I could very well be wrong in the future, & for Mavs fans sake. I hope I am.

I hope this is your idea of some kind of sick joke. OK you don't like the guy. Put that aside for a second. Its not him that is asking for the MVP award, its the people who voted for him. I'm sure if he had his choice he wouldn't take it. He is not the prototypical "leadership guy", but when he plays well, the Mavs win, period. But the least talented on the team?? See this is why its tough for me to go along with you on your idea with the Bulls being an "up and coming team." No offense, but it seems either you don't know what you're talking about sometimes or you let emotion get in the way of fact.

See. This is the problem I have with this whole arguement. The best player on the team needs to be the "leadership guy". If he isn't then he isn't the best guy on the team.

Once again. Dirk has proven over, & over again. That when it counts he can't step up. So in my humble opinion he can't be the best player on that team.

[L.A.]

Lord, I hope so. :up:



Marion's made it known that he would opt out of his contract as soon as possible if he were traded to Minnesota, which means the Suns would have to ship out Amare. They're understandably hesitant to do that, seeing as how he's ONLY 24 YEARS OLD. :wow:



It isn't obvious? :huh:
http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060526/060526_howard_vmed_9p.widec.jpg

Fringe All-Star for fringe all-star. :up:

Also,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/incurock31/Uniforms/kirilenkomavs.jpg

:word:
Jerry Sloan have said AK47 is not on the trading block!

[Ghostvirus]

In the lakers fourm, I've heard the exact opposite! That the nets dont want to pull the trade.

Well that is quite a conundrum. Trust a bunch of forum kids, or ESPN. HMMM.:o

[Jerry!]

See. This is the problem I have with this whole arguement. The best player on the team needs to be the "leadership guy". If he isn't then he isn't the best guy on the team.

Once again. Dirk has proven over, & over again. That when it counts he can't step up. So in my humble opinion he can't be the best player on that team.


Do the Mavs win when he plays well. Yes. Do the Mavs play well when he plays poorly no? What else can possibly be said of the best player on a team? The same thing can be said of Steve Nash. Do the Suns play well when he does, yes. Do they play well when he isn't on the court or plays poorly, no they don't. Nash has won back to back MVPs and doesn't have a ring to show for it, so he must not be playing his best when it counts either. But you never hear an argument against Nash.

[L.A.]

Well that is quite a conundrum. Trust a bunch of forum kids, or ESPN. HMMM.:o
They had links like L.A. times! And I remember couple of weeks ago on "ESPN" that Rod Thorn has no intention of trading there big 3!

[Ben Urich]

Jerry Sloan have said AK47 is not on the trading block!

I read the news too, jackass. I was just saying that it'd make sense if it were made.
God. :whatever:

[Ghostvirus]

Do the Mavs win when he plays well. Yes. Do the Mavs play well when he plays poorly no? What else can possibly be said of the best player on a team? The same thing can be said of Steve Nash. Do the Suns play well when he does, yes. Do they play well when he isn't on the court or plays poorly, no they don't. Nash has won back to back MVPs and doesn't have a ring to show for it, so he must not be playing his best when it counts either. But you never hear an argument against Nash.

The thing is I have no doubt Nash will have a ring by the end of his career. Why?

Because when given the opportunity he will step up. Quite frankly he would have had it this year if some guys would have kept there a** on the bench.

Dirk as of this very minute has not proven himself worthy of being a leader, or a high caliber player. I don't give a rats a** how many wins he can give you in the regular season. It don't mean a thing. If you don't get the ring.

Dirk had a chance at the title last year, & choked big time! I am sorry, but I have no respect for poor leader ship. Just being able to put the ball in the round cylinder doesn't make you elite. Making the shots when you need to win makes you elite.

Again just my opinion.

[Ben Urich]

I love how you named mediocre players to prove your point.:whatever:

To answer. No, but I would build my team around Jason Terry, & Josh Howard. I think that they are the 2 best players on that team.

What? You said Dirk was the least talented player on that team. By that logic, you'd rather have guys like Croshere or Mbenga than Nowtizki.

Don't be so hyperbolic next time.

[Ghostvirus]

What? You said Dirk was the least talented player on that team. By that logic, you'd rather have guys like Croshere or Mbenga than Nowtizki.

Don't be so hyperbolic next time.

Look I can take criticism, but don't use big words. They hurt my head.:ninja:

I didn't mean that Dirk was the worst player on the team. He is Behind Howard, & Terry as far as Value.

[Jerry!]

You said he was the least talented and most expendable on the team. Where do you think the Mavs are the last few years without him? I hope you don't say the playoffs. Please don't be that dumb.

[Ghostvirus]

You said he was the least talented and most expendable on the team. Where do you think the Mavs are the last few years without him? I hope you don't say the playoffs. Please don't be that dumb.

I am trying to be patient, & controlled about this, but calling me stupid, dumb, etc... Is really not sitting well with me. I have an opinion. Simple as that. You think my opinion is wrong. That does not make me stupid. It just means that I have a differing opinion.

How about you tell me why they wouldn't make the playoffs with out Dirk. I am not talking about a high seed. I mean the 8th seed. The other players on that team are not bumbling retards.

[Jerry!]

They sure play like it when Dirk isn't on his game. I can understand a lot of people not liking Dirk because he won the MVP. Unjust hate, yeah it is, but still its hard to argue against the kind of numbers he put up during the season. And thats what the MVP is awarded to, during the season, not playoffs. Just when people start making off the cuff remarks like Dirk is the most expendable player on the Mavs, not even the best player on his team, least talented player and stuff like that, its hard to look at those people and not think they don't know what they are talking about. Hey I hate Derek Jeter, but would I love for him to play for the White Sox, yes. Just because I don't like a player because of what team he plays on doesn't mean I don't think he is any good. You can't seem to grasp that.

[Ghostvirus]

Thats because they rely to much on him. Same thing with Nash. Except Nash is more reliable.

If somebody else on that team realised that Dirk isn't clutch, & would step up. I think that team could be much better. They need to stop turning to Dirk at the end of the game.

[Docker2.0]

Does anyone have any idea of how the top 10 draft will go? Who'll go where? Also, Noah will probably go to the Bulls which mean Isaiah basically traded Curry for Noah. I'll take that trade. :up:

[Jerry!]

Well relying on him too much led them to 60+ wins. They ran into a team that is built to defeat them.

[L.A.]

Does anyone have any idea of how the top 10 draft will go? Who'll go where? Also, Noah will probably go to the Bulls which mean Isaiah basically traded Curry for Noah. I'll take that trade. :up:
1 Portland Trail Blazers Gred Oden C Ohio State
2 Seattle Sonics Kevin Durant SF Texas
3 Atlanta Hawks Al Horford PF Florida
4 Memphis Grizzlies Mike Conley, Jr . PG Ohio State
5 Boston Celtics Corey Brewer SF Florida
6 Milwaukee Bucks Brandan Wright PF North Carolina
7 Minnesota Timberwolves Spencer Hawes C Washington
8 Charlotte Bobcats Joakim Noah PF/C Florida
9 Chicago Bulls Yi Jianlian PF China
10 Sacramento Kings Jeff Green SF Georgetown
11 Atlanta Hawks Acie Law IV PG Texas A&M
12 Phladelphia 76ers Julian Wright SF/PF Kansas
13 New Orleans Hornets Nick Young SG/SF USC
14 Los Angeles Clippers Javaris Crittenton PG Georgia Tech

[Jerry!]

Does anyone have any idea of how the top 10 draft will go? Who'll go where? Also, Noah will probably go to the Bulls which mean Isaiah basically traded Curry for Noah. I'll take that trade. :up:

Not if they use that trade to help get Kevin Garnett or Kobe. I hope they get someone though. No more prospects, this draft won't work for the Bulls now. Their time is now, not a few years down the road. Trade for someone that will help you win NOW.

[Ghostvirus]

Well relying on him too much led them to 60+ wins. They ran into a team that is built to defeat them.

In 10 years. This season will be remembered for what the Warriors did, & What Dirk didn't do. That is not the mark of a great player.

Not if they use that trade to help get Kevin Garnett or Kobe. I hope they get someone though. No more prospects, this draft won't work for the Bulls now. Their time is now, not a few years down the road. Trade for someone that will help you win NOW.

You are quite the patient one aren't you.:whatever:

[Jerry!]

Hey I guess if waiting 10 years isn't long enough for you then I'm sure you will be happy, because if Paxson doesn't do anything, its going to be another year. This is what I don't understand about some Bulls fans. With almost every other sport in Chicago, the demand is on the GM and the team to get better year after year, but with the Bulls its like "Oh hey, they tried hard just didn't quite make it, but thats ok." But its not ok. You should be asking for improvement, not waiting around for development. We've been doing that with this team and this is as good as it gets for a lot of the players on the team now. I've already explained all this.

You gotta get someone that demands a double team, someone the other team has to look out for at all times. The Bulls don't have that. They have the team for that guy, but not the star. And the team isn't getting any better. So the window of opportunity is right now. Whats so hard to understand about that?

[Ben Urich]

The Bulls need to make a play right now. Zach Randolph, Jermaine O'Neal, Pau Gasol, and Kevin Garnett figure to be on the trading block, and any of those players would draw a double-team down low. The Bulls are already one of the top teams in the East. With the right presence down low, they could be the best team in the conference.

[LastSunrise1981]

In 10 years. This season will be remembered for what the Warriors did, & What Dirk didn't do. That is not the mark of a great player.



You are quite the patient one aren't you.:whatever:

So by your logic the Pacers should've gotten rid of Reggie Miller then? Because he never won a ring and he produced all the time, but just didn't quite get over the hump.

In 10 years I'm quite sure no one will even remember the fiasco that Dallas created.

[Ghostvirus]

Hey I guess if waiting 10 years isn't long enough for you then I'm sure you will be happy, because if Paxson doesn't do anything, its going to be another year. This is what I don't understand about some Bulls fans. With almost every other sport in Chicago, the demand is on the GM and the team to get better year after year, but with the Bulls its like "Oh hey, they tried hard just didn't quite make it, but thats ok." But its not ok. You should be asking for improvement, not waiting around for development. We've been doing that with this team and this is as good as it gets for a lot of the players on the team now. I've already explained all this.

You gotta get someone that demands a double team, someone the other team has to look out for at all times. The Bulls don't have that. They have the team for that guy, but not the star. And the team isn't getting any better. So the window of opportunity is right now. Whats so hard to understand about that?

I am not really getting your logic. This team is still drastically young. I don't get the right now theme you have. It isn't like these players are vets. If in 3 years Paxson hasn't made huge steps, then I would agree. But these guys are still green.

I am not saying they don't need to make changes. See below quote to see what I want done.

The Bulls need to make a play right now. Zach Randolph, Jermaine O'Neal, Pau Gasol, and Kevin Garnett figure to be on the trading block, and any of those players would draw a double-team down low. The Bulls are already one of the top teams in the East. With the right presence down low, they could be the best team in the conference.

So by your logic the Pacers should've gotten rid of Reggie Miller then? Because he never won a ring and he produced all the time, but just didn't quite get over the hump.

In 10 years I'm quite sure no one will even remember the fiasco that Dallas created.

You just had to bring up Reggie didn't you. Of all the players. Now you are going to get me in trouble with some more people.

I would have not given up Reggie for one reason he Made the Pacer's a name, & he brought alot of Economy to Indiana.

I will say it is unfair to use him as an example. He was in a long line of Jordan victims in the 90's. I don't see any Jordan's standing in the way of Dallas.

[Jerry!]

I am not really getting your logic. This team is still drastically young. I don't get the right now theme you have. It isn't like these players are vets. If in 3 years Paxson hasn't made huge steps, then I would agree. But these guys are still green.

I am not saying they don't need to make changes. See below quote to see what I want done.




If in 3 years nothing happens, you are more than likely looking at a rebuilding era. Because if Paxson is counting on these guys to lead this team to the title, then he isn't going to make any major deals. The only young players that I see to improve are Thomas, Deng, and maybe Kirk. I hate to repeat this because I have explained it all before. No one else except those 3 are going to get any better. Duhon isn't going to get any better, I'm sorry. Gordon isn't going to be more than he is now. I feel like a broken record. They have a lot of young guys on the team yes, but only a couple are any good at all. If they continue without that go-to guy for the next year or two, expect another few more years of rebuilding and waiting.

[Ghostvirus]

If in 3 years nothing happens, you are more than likely looking at a rebuilding era. Because if Paxson is counting on these guys to lead this team to the title, then he isn't going to make any major deals. The only young players that I see to improve are Thomas, Deng, and maybe Kirk. I hate to repeat this because I have explained it all before. No one else except those 3 are going to get any better. Duhon isn't going to get any better, I'm sorry. Gordon isn't going to be more than he is now. I feel like a broken record. They have a lot of young guys on the team yes, but only a couple are any good at all. If they continue without that go-to guy for the next year or two, expect another few more years of rebuilding and waiting.

I feel like a broken record as well, so lets just agree to disagree. I mean we both obviously want whats best for the Bulls. We just have different views on it.

Not to mention we aren't the one making the decisions anyway, so there is no need getting worked up over it. We also both agree that there should be some changes done this season, or it will be dissapointing.

[Ben Urich]

I :heart: Reggie Miller.
Believe it or not, the only basketball player of whom I have a photo (http://photostore.nba.com/perl/gal?gallery_id=871&process=gallery&provider_id=202&ptp_photo_id=nba%3A86297&sequencenum=12&page=) is Reggie. :up: It's framed. :yay:
However, I've considered adding this one (http://photostore.nba.com/perl/gal?gallery_id=1289&process=gallery&provider_id=202&ptp_photo_id=nba%3A797085&sequencenum=0&page=) and this one (http://photostore.nba.com/perl/gal?gallery_id=4950&process=gallery&provider_id=202&ptp_photo_id=nba%3A735256&sequencenum=0&page=) to my collection. :o

[Ghostvirus]

I :heart: Reggie Miller.
Believe it or not, the only basketball player of whom I have a photo (http://photostore.nba.com/perl/gal?gallery_id=871&process=gallery&provider_id=202&ptp_photo_id=nba%3A86297&sequencenum=12&page=) is Reggie. :up: It's framed. :yay:
However, I've considered adding this one (http://photostore.nba.com/perl/gal?gallery_id=1289&process=gallery&provider_id=202&ptp_photo_id=nba%3A797085&sequencenum=0&page=) and this one (http://photostore.nba.com/perl/gal?gallery_id=4950&process=gallery&provider_id=202&ptp_photo_id=nba%3A735256&sequencenum=0&page=) to my collection. :o

So is it true that if you put a feather in his nose he can fly?:o

[Immortalfire]

Atlanta Hawks get a new look.. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/nba/06/24/bc.bkn.hawksnewlook.ap/index.html

[Ben Urich]

New Hawks uniforms were unveiled today:
http://www.nba.com/media/hawks/white_jersey_photogallery_1.jpg
http://www.nba.com/media/hawks/blue_jersey_photogallery_13.jpg

They look like the ****ing Bobcats. :whatever:
Couldn't they just bring these (http://www.nba.com/media/hawks/jersey_history_gallery_3.jpg) back?

:down

So is it true that if you put a feather in his nose he can fly?:o

:huh:

[Ben Urich]

Damn you, 'fire. :cmad:

[Mister J]

Christ. It's like the Hawks want to continue keeping people from the arena.

[L.A.]

Christ. It's like the Hawks want to continue keeping people from the arena.
LOL!

[Immortalfire]

Damn you, 'fire. :cmad:

http://www.vikdavid.com/blog/pics/nelson-haha.gif

[Ben Urich]

Christ. It's like the Hawks want to continue keeping people from the arena.

Yup. :csad:

[Ben Urich]

http://www.nba.com/media/hawks/white_jersey_photogallery_2.jpg

Ugh, I hate this on every uniform: branding the ass with some letters or an alternate logo. :whatever:

[Immortalfire]

In Philips Arena, there are banners hanging with division titles. Back when the Hawks used to be sort of good I guess.

[CrypticOne]

Any other team get a new look?

[Ben Urich]

Any other team get a new look?

Not as far as I know. Uniform changes take FOREVER to go through, usually 2-3 years. The league has to approve EVERYTHING. Not only do they have to OK the colors and logos, but they have to give retailers enough time to liquidate merchandise with the soon-to-be-obsolete logos on it.

I remember a Blazers writer suggesting that the Blazers ditch their current uniforms, which he associates with the 'Jail Blazers' era, and bring back the Walton-era ones to celebrate the arrival of Greg Oden. He said the earliest that could happen was 2010. :wow::huh::down

Regarding the Hawks... it could have been worse. They could have brought these back:
http://www.nba.com/media/hawks/jersey_history_gallery_9.jpg

:dry:

[Ben Urich]

The Ants are coming. (http://www.nba.com/dleague/fortwayne/)

:dry:

[Spider-Fan]

The Hawks new outfits suck!

[L.A.]

CHAD FORD'S MOCK DRAFT
PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS


Portland
Greg Oden Position: C
Height: 7-0
Weight: 245
Age: 19
School: Ohio State




(Oden's previous position: No. 1 to Portland)

The skinny: Both Oden and Kevin Durant did their thing in Portland last week. Durant had a considerably better workout than Oden -- but how much will these workouts move the needle?

While the chances of GM Kevin Pritchard's shocking the world and taking Durant have increased, I think the odds are still overwhelmingly in Oden's favor.


PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS

Seattle
Kevin Durant Position: SF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 190
Age: 18
School: Texas



(Durant's previous position: No. 2 to Seattle)

The skinny: New Sonics GM Sam Presti still has the easiest decision of the year: Just take whichever guy Portland passes on and enjoy the ride for the next decade.

While Durant should have a significant impact, Presti has a number of roster decisions left to make and still needs to find a big man with a pulse.


PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS


Atlanta

Al Horford Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 235
Age: 20
School: Florida







(Horford's previous position: No. 3 to Atlanta)

The skinny: The Hawks appear to be locked in on Horford ... if they keep the pick.

Memphis, Phoenix and others have been talking to the Hawks about potential trades. But with Atlanta's ownership situation still in flux, making a deal with the Hawks is very complicated.


PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS

Memphis

Mike Conley Position: PG
Height: 6-0
Weight: 170
Age: 19
School: Ohio State







(Conley's previous position: No. 4 to Memphis)

The skinny: They are in love with Horford, but it looks like he'll be gone. So who's next on their big board? One source says it's Conley. Another says it's Noah. A third says that Memphis is talking trade. I don't know who to believe, but the one I trust the most is saying Conley.

If they do take Conley, it will be an interesting pick, because they took Kyle Lowry in the first round last year, and the two point guards are somewhat similar.


PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS

Boston

Yi Jianlian Position: PF
Height: 7-0
Weight: 246
Age: 19
Country: China






(Yi's previous position: No. 9 to Chicago)

The skinny: I think this is where the draft gets really interesting. It appears that Danny Ainge is trying to decide between Yi Jianlian and Jeff Green. But I still think the odds are in favor of Ainge's trading the pick in an attempt to pick up a veteran.

I had Yi at the No. 5 spot for a month, then I backed off in Mock Draft Version 4.0. Now I have him back here again.

At the end of the day, most GMs say they take the best player available, regardless of need. In this case, Yi would be the highest-rated player remaining and he would fill a need, so I think Ainge swallows hard and pulls the trigger.



PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS


Milwaukee

Jeff Green Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 225
Age: 20
School: Georgetown








(Green's previous position: No. 7 to Minnesota)



The skinny: The Bucks would like to get their hands on Horford or Conley. They also have been positioning themselves to take Yi should he fall to No. 6. But if all three of those guys are off the board, I think it will come down to Green and Brandan Wright.

Wright might have more upside, but I don't think the Bucks are willing to wait. Green is ready now and fits a need at forward.



PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS

Minnesota

Joakim Noah Position: PF
Height: 6-11
Weight: 230
Age: 22
School: Florida




(Noah's previous position: No. 8 to Charlotte)



The skinny: The Timberwolves' biggest need is in the front court, and there's a lot of speculation that they like Spencer Hawes. But I've been assured by several sources that they've made no promise to Hawes.

From what I can gather, they'll decide between Hawes, Joakim Noah and Al Thornton here. Noah wouldn't help much on the offensive end, but he would give them much-needed size and energy in the frontcourt.

Yi Jianlian and Jeff Green are also possibilities here if they slide.


PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS

Charlotte

Corey Brewer Position: SG
Height: 6-8
Weight: 185
Age: 21
School: Florida






(Brewer's previous position: No. 5 to Boston)

The skinny: It sounds like the Bobcats are seriously considering trading this pick. The Suns and Sixers, among others, have talked about moving up to No. 8.

The Bobcats like Brewer and USC's Nick Young. Brewer's the better defender, while Young's the better offensive player.


PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS


Chicago
(via New York)

Spencer Hawes Position: C
Height: 7-0
Weight: 230
Age: 19
School: Washington





(Hawes' previous position: No. 10 to Sacramento)

The skinny: The Bulls are looking for a big man, and Joakim Noah and Yi Jianlian are their first two choices.

If both are off the board, they'll decide between Hawes, Brandan Wright and Julian Wright. The Wrights are better prospects, but where would they fit on the Bulls? Brandan Wright would duplicate Tyrus Thomas, and Julian Wright would duplicate Luol Deng.

That leaves Hawes, whose offensive skills could give the Bulls some desperately needed points in the paint down the road.


PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS


Sacramento
Brandan Wright Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 210
Age: 19
School: North Carolina




(Wright's previous position: No. 6 to Milwaukee)

The skinny: The word is that Wright is slipping on draft boards. Everyone loves his talent, but in workouts he's proven to be further away from contributing than many of the other picks in the draft. Combine that with concerns about his motor, and he could slip.

But it's hard to see him slipping past the Kings. He fits a need and just has too much talent to pass on here.

Julian Wright and Spencer Hawes, if they're still available, are also possibilities here.



PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS

Atlanta
(via Indiana)

Acie Law Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 185
Age: 22
School: Texas A&M




(Law's previous position: No. 19 to L.A. Lakers)

The skinny: We keep hearing the Hawks will address the point guard situation with this pick one way or the other.

The early word was that the team was high on Javaris Crittenton, but after Law's workout last week, it now looks like Law has moved into the lead.

Law doesn't have the upside of Crittenton but he's much more NBA ready.

Rodney Stuckey looks like he has moved into the picture for Atlanta as well.


PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS

Philadelphia


Al Thornton Position: SF
Height: 6-7
Weight: 210
Age: 23
School: Florida State






(Thornton's previous position: No. 12 to Philadelphia)

The skinny: The Sixers really need a power forward, but at this point, all of the worthy ones are gone. Thornton's a scoring machine and would be a nice complement to Andre Iguodala, who's coming off a breakout year in Philly.

Nick Young and Jason Smith also are possibilities here.

The Sixers have been trying to move up in the draft by packing this pick with their other two first-rounders, so watch them carefully. They'd prefer to get their hands on a guy like Al Horford, Jeff Green or Brandan Wright.

PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS


New Orleans

Nick Young Position: SG
Height: 6-6
Weight: 200
Age: 21
School: USC






(Young's previous position: No. 13 to New Orleans)

The skinny: With Desmond Mason's hitting free agency, the Hornets will look for a shooting guard to play alongside a (hopefully) healthy Peja Stojakovic.

Young is the ideal fit. He's an excellent shooter and a big-time athlete. If he develops, he and Chris Paul could become one of the most exciting backcourts in the NBA.

If Young is off the board, they'll likely decide between Thornton, Rodney Stuckey and Julian Wright.


PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS


L.A. Clippers

Julian Wright Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 220
Age: 20
School: Kansas






(Wright's previous position: No. 14 to L.A. Clippers)

The skinny: The Clippers like Acie Law, but it's looking more and more likely that the Hawks will take him at No. 11. The Clippers have been talking trade with a number of teams, but so far they haven't been able to close a deal.

Wright would be a good fit in L.A. Mike Dunleavy likes smart, versatile, point-forward type players, and at this point in the draft Wright is a steal.

The Clips could also fill their need at point guard with Crittenton.

[DarthRekal]

The Lakers just may be back in Business pretty soon

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers26jun26,1,6107504.story?coll=la-headlines-sports&ctrack=1&cset=true



:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :ninja:


PLEASE LET THIS GO THROUGH!:up:

[Docker2.0]

I hope it doesn't go through! The way Kobe did Shaq, he doesn't deserve a player like Garnett on his team. Dude is so freakin selfish! I hope he never wins another championship or playoff series.

[DarthRekal]

I hope it doesn't go through! The way Kobe did Shaq, he doesn't deserve a player like Garnett on his team. Dude is so freakin selfish! I hope he never wins another championship or playoff series.
HATER!!!!!!!!!:cmad:


no i can see your dismay and cant say i disagree.. but I could care less about Kobe and will be happy for myself.. my city and my team... WINNING solves all... let go Lakers...!!!!!!!!!:woot:









apparently the fourth team might be Boston.. so it looks somewhat like this



KG to LA
Odom and Bynum to Indy
JO to Boston
and
Jefferson and the #5 to Minny

looks good for everyone:ninja: :hyper:



I'm gettin Giddy... HEE HEE!

[Docker2.0]

Why not send Kobe to Boston and send JO and Garnett to Lakers. that would be a pretty powerful frontline!

[Spider-Fan]

Wow...that is a good trade for the Lakers if it goes through. KG certainly hopes it will.

[DarthRekal]

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9514/kglg6am5.jpg

[L.A.]

HATER!!!!!!!!!:cmad:


no i can see your dismay and cant say i disagree.. but I could care less about Kobe and will be happy for myself.. my city and my team... WINNING solves all... let go Lakers...!!!!!!!!!:woot:









apparently the fourth team might be Boston.. so it looks somewhat like this



KG to LA
Odom and Bynum to Indy
JO to Boston
and
Jefferson and the #5 to Minny

looks good for everyone:ninja: :hyper:



I'm gettin Giddy... HEE HEE!
Those contracts dont match up! Lakers would have to give up Kwame brown as well! Boston would have to add Ratliff and Szerbiack(sp)

[Docker2.0]

Darth, you need your sig changed if you are pulling for this trade! Dude messed up a potential dynasty cuase he's the most SELFISH player in the history of the game! Yep, even more selfish than Pippen(whatever happened to his comeback?)!I wouldn't want to play with Kobe nor should they do this to make his selfish ass happy either because they are basically giving him the keys to the franchise!

[NewYorkSpider]

Whats the trade? That link won't work for me.:csad:

[DarthRekal]

Whats the trade? That link won't work for me.:csad:

main parts = KG to Lakers

Bynum and Odom to Indy and

JO to MInny or possibly Fourth team(boston= speculation)

Those contracts dont match up! Lakers would have to give up Kwame brown as well! Boston would have to add Ratliff and Szerbiack(sp)


i just listed the main parts NOFX... course there's gonna be fillers




DOCKER- sig changed:woot:

[NewYorkSpider]

main parts = KG to Lakers

Bynum and Odom to Indy and

JO to Boston or possibly Fourth team



Wow! Thanks.

[Ben Urich]

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9514/kglg6am5.jpg

Voltron activated. :wow:

[Mister J]

Kevin McHale is thinking of helping the Lakers? :confused:

[Docker2.0]

main parts = KG to Lakers

Bynum and Odom to Indy and

JO to Boston or possibly Fourth team




i just listed the main parts NOFX... course there's gonna be fillers




DOCKER- sig changed:woot:
But you will be ch.................nevermind! I just can't stand Kobe! Geez man! I wanted to join your club but I see it's no good no more cuase of this trade talk.
:csad:

[AhabTheArab]

www.nbadraft.net

it has all the info, and that news on KG is actually pretty cool, i hate the lakers and all but i love competition.

[DarthRekal]

Kevin McHale is thinking of helping the Lakers? :confused:
read the article.. BUSS is a smart man.. he BYPASSED MCHALE... went straight to Taylor:word: :woot:

[Ben Urich]

****, Garnett and Kobe on the Lakers. That's... not fair...

[Mister J]

read the article.. BUSS is a smart man.. he BYPASSED MCHALE... went straight to Taylor:word: :woot:
I'm too lazy to register at the site. :oldrazz:

[NewYorkSpider]

****, Garnett and Kobe on the Lakers. That's... not fair...

Even if they make the playoffs, they will get bumped out by Golden State.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[L.A.]

hmmm I think it would be a good trade for all
Lakers -would get KG and would become instant contenders in the west but will that enough to win the west? Lakers would have to lose Brown, Cook, and there 1st round pick.
Indiana wants to start over, and you get Bynum and Granger to start your franchise. Plus you still have Odom, Dunleavy, and Tinsley! Playoffs anyone?
Minny- Wants to start over as well and gets one of the best upcoming pf in Al Jefferson! And the 5th pick! Two first round picks in the top ten!:eek: You get Ratliff expiring contract as well! But you do have to pick up wally's huge contract but I dont think minny minds with the players there getting back!
Boston-HORRIBLE TRADE!!! You trade your future stud PF Al Jeffersonf for an Ailing Jermain Onell????!!!! O'nell hasnt been healty in 3 years!!! Oh wait Danny Ainge is the GM! Makes sense now!

[Ben Urich]

Even if they make the playoffs, they will get bumped out by Golden State.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

Boom Dizzle could throw another one down on KG.
Yn3vkaTDbaM

:up:

[DarthRekal]

www.nbadraft.net (http://www.nbadraft.net)

it has all the info, and that news on KG is actually pretty cool, i hate the lakers and all but i love competition.

Thanks:woot:

Even if they make the playoffs, they will get bumped out by Golden State.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif
Negative:cmad:
hmmm I think it would be a good trade for all
Lakers -would get KG and would become instant contenders in the west but will that enough to win the west? Lakers would have to lose Brown, Cook, and there 1st round pick.
Indiana wants to start over, and you get Bynum and Granger to start your franchise. Plus you still have Odom, Dunleavy, and Tinsley! Playoffs anyone?
Minny- Wants to start over as well and gets one of the best upcoming pf in Al Jefferson! And the 5th pick! Two first round picks in the top ten!
You get Ratliff expiring contract as well! But you do have to pick up wally's huge contract but I dont think minny minds with the players there getting back!
Boston-HORRIBLE TRADE!!! You trade your future stud PF Al Jeffersonf for an Ailing Jermain Onell????!!!! O'nell hasnt been healty in 3 years!!! Oh wait Danny Ainge is the GM! Makes sense now!
LOL-- nice breakdown:yay:
I'm too lazy to register at the site.

You dont have to J:ninja:

****, Garnett and Kobe on the Lakers. That's... not fair...

All would be RIGHT with the Universe again:woot:

But you will be ch.................nevermind! I just can't stand Kobe! Geez man! I wanted to join your club but I see it's no good no more cuase of this trade talk.

I feel ya.. now more than EVER i sympathize with Kobe Haters.. alas.. I must deal with it for the GREATER good:trans:

[NewYorkSpider]

Boom Dizzle could throw another one down on KG.
Yn3vkaTDbaM

:up:

Awsome! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[L.A.]

I tried the trade machine on ESPN and the trade worked! Exclude Farmer, and Granger becuase I couldnt add first round picks!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~2748~3002~617~2760~615~261 ~2761~687~831&teams=11~11~11~11~16~2~13~16~16~16

[DarthRekal]

for the first time EVER.. a KG trade to LA that has LEGITIMATE legs..:hyper:

[L.A.]

for the first time EVER.. a KG trade to LA that has LEGITIMATE legs..:hyper:
yup. but I still think lakers would have to make one more move. Not sure what though...

[DarthRekal]

yup. but I still think lakers would have to make one more move. Not sure what though...
no doubt.. we need a PG.. either we keep farmar.. or ENTICE Billups.. he just opted out:wow:


LOL.. i know i know put down the pipe:oldrazz:


but you're right we would be in the hunt .. don't know if we could win it all that way though.. we need guys like Horry Fish and Fox... to go with themm... i can see Mo... being one and Luke... and Turiaf.. we just need a Dead-Eye shooter.. jeez i hate Vlad Rad:csad:

[DarthRekal]

Jim Gray .. reports.. LA and Miinny have signed off... awaiting words from Indy and Boston.. looks like Boston is INDEED the fourth team... word is it can still be broken down to a Three team if Boston wants out:woot:

[Docker2.0]

so it's a done deal?

[DarthRekal]

no.. it's moving pretty quick though... Boston wants commitment from JO on an extension and same for indy and Lamar...


gettin down to the nitty gritty:ninja:

[Ghostvirus]

If this goes through. I am wouldn't worry. Kobe is a virus. LA won't be anything until Kobe leaves. I actually feel sorry for Garnett.

[Docker2.0]

Just seen ESPN, Kobe states even if they get KG, He still wants out!

[Ben Urich]

Just seen ESPN, Kobe states even if they get KG, He still wants out!

:whatever:

[CrypticOne]

Boom Dizzle could throw another one down on KG.
Yn3vkaTDbaM

:up:

This is amazing. Good find!

[Ghostvirus]

Just seen ESPN, Kobe states even if they get KG, He still wants out!

:dry: Your kidding.

[Docker2.0]

:dry: Your kidding.

It's on ESPN right now, according to Rick Brueker. ESPN will play sportcenter all night so I'm sure you will see his comments about this.

[Docker2.0]

:whatever: Why are you rolling your eyes at the messanger? I'm just repeating what's on ESPN. :huh:

[DarthRekal]

If this goes through. I am wouldn't worry. Kobe is a virus. LA won't be anything until Kobe leaves. I actually feel sorry for Garnett.

Just seen ESPN, Kobe states even if they get KG, He still wants out!

There ya go!:woot:


either way.. i get giddy!.. KG .. then trade kobe for some quality players!... lets say the chicago trade goes through


Gordon/Farmar
Luke
Deng
KG
throw in someone else.. heck keep kwame or mihm...


and shoot we still get the #9:wow:


call me a school girl:hyper: