The Official Kevin Spacey As Lex Luthor Thread

[Paste Pot Pete]

I've realized that many felt burned by Superman Returns, one reason being the "old fashioned" portrayal of Lex Luthor. Many wanted to see the more modern take, and some still hope to see him rise to this form in the sequel.

Having not followed the majority of the modern Superman comics, I was wondering if someone could clue me in on why exactly the "white collar criminal" Lexcorp Luthor has become, for most it seems, the definitive or at least most appealing incarnation of Lex?

I'm aware of major comic storylines, including his rise to President, but I'm unclear on the details..

What makes this Lex a formidable foe for Superman? It seems to me that the "public philanthropist with a secret dark side" type of villain is better suited against a character like Spider-Man, one who isn't universally trusted/loved by the public; a vigilante.

How does Luthor constantly evade public persecution when his nemesis is Earth's Greatest Hero? Granted, I know Superman isn't the detective that Batman is, but even so..you'd think he'd be able to muster up some evidence against Luthor. Hell, even without evidence, I'd think simply having a chat with his friends at the Metropolis Police would start raising some eyebrows. Who wouldn't believe Superman?

Would this present problems for a film? How have the comic writers gotten around it?

[Venomfan]

there is no evidence when Luthor does something he has so many ties and so many people working for him, plus he does lots of good at the same time, it doesnt matter if superman tells people he did something wrong, they might believe him, but that doesnt get a guy in jail, and superman doesnt kill so he cant just go and beat him up, thats what makes him such a great villain, money is capable of beating a god

[matthooper]

Obviously there was evidence that Luthor tried to kill millions of people with his missles in Superman: The Movie, since he went to jail for it.

That would be millions of counts of attempted murder, yet he gets out after just 5 years. If you are a defender of the film, it's just one more rediculous thing to overlook.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Money is the power. If you are the greatest criminal mind in the world , what would you really do? Try to grow a cold new continent or invent a new operating system for computers that needs to be rebought every year, making so a truckload of money.
Another way to criminally make money, could be starting a company that supply things for the army and then use your political friends to start an unjustified war.

[Motown Marvel]

lex, in the comics, has recently lost his position at lex corp, and returned to being an underground maniacal mad genius criminal mastermind scientist guy....

[Antonello Blueberry]

lex, in the comics, has recently lost his position at lex corp, and returned to being an underground maniacal mad genius criminal mastermind scientist guy....
I liked a lot more the Wolfman/Byrne Luthor. We have enough mad scientists in comic-books.

[Road Warrior]

"Lexcorp" Luthor is appealing because he is untouchable.

[Kid_Kaos]

How he avoids jail? He OWNS Metropolis. The biggest city in America and as the President he has perfect connections to anyone valuable in the world, mostly the big names in the shadows, just like any of the corporate leaders of today have. Lex is practically untouchable because he allways uses someone else for his dirty work and the public never finds out about him.

So? Why doesn't anyone believe Superman or someone else who tells them?
Just watch tv shows like "Prison Break", "24" or "Alias". People with too much knowledge just get "erased" and the media is manipulated by the government anyway. If anything, Superman could be brought down much easier in this version, without Lex even being mentioned publically! Like my sig says: "People? You mean 'Sheeple'!". Lex throws out some bad articles about Superman, Supes get's filmed by doing something stupid and he's done. I don't mean he gets killed but his reputation get's destroyed. And let's face it, reputation is the only thing that separates the heroes from the villains to the people in the comic world. The whole Superman character is just a public shell.
Again: Lex as a President is untouchable by Superman but starreporters like Clark and Lois, with enough evidence against him, are much more of a threat to him. It's all just how the public percieves someone that makes or break him. Hero or human.

Too bad that concept will be allready used in "Spider-Man 3". :o

So, let's see some more crazy wigs in the sequel! :woot:

PS: Now that I think about it: There was an episode in "Lois & Clark" where Supes is captured in bed with Lois while Clark is engaged to her. The public sees Supes as homewrecker and turns against him. And that didn't even involve Lex.

[X-Maniac]

I've realized that many felt burned by Superman Returns, one reason being the "old fashioned" portrayal of Lex Luthor. Many wanted to see the more modern take, and some still hope to see him rise to this form in the sequel.

Having not followed the majority of the modern Superman comics, I was wondering if someone could clue me in on why exactly the "white collar criminal" Lexcorp Luthor has become, for most it seems, the definitive or at least most appealing incarnation of Lex?

I'm aware of major comic storylines, including his rise to President, but I'm unclear on the details..

What makes this Lex a formidable foe for Superman? It seems to me that the "public philanthropist with a secret dark side" type of villain is better suited against a character like Spider-Man, one who isn't universally trusted/loved by the public; a vigilante.

How does Luthor constantly evade public persecution when his nemesis is Earth's Greatest Hero? Granted, I know Superman isn't the detective that Batman is, but even so..you'd think he'd be able to muster up some evidence against Luthor. Hell, even without evidence, I'd think simply having a chat with his friends at the Metropolis Police would start raising some eyebrows. Who wouldn't believe Superman?

Would this present problems for a film? How have the comic writers gotten around it?

They say money is power, and very wealthy people can be very powerful.

Which sounds more sensible, more cynical, more devious, more about controlling the world?:

1) create uninhabitable island, kill billions, and then????

2) set up company using kryptonian technology, try to control all the world's technology, render Superman useless through crime-control technology (The Authority?) and knowingly/unknowingly release the world's worst computer virus - called Brainiac! A virus which becomes sentient, a threat to Lex and everyone else. What defence does Superman have against a binary code, an infinitessimal stream of electrons that could control any electronic device....

Maybe Lex releases the Brainiac virus early on to disable the world's existing technology, so that his own Krypto-tech can take over and be seen as the saviour.

The possibilities are endless to anyone with imagination. Sadly we didn't get this kind of imagination, although the scenes with New Krypton being lifted into space are very dramatic.

The cinematography on the lifting of the island bothered me. It shows the island moving up, then we see a tiny figure (Superman) holding it. Somehow it feels wrong. I'd rather have seen the focus on Superman lifting something, then panned out to see the entire island in his grip.

[NotFadeAway]

lex, in the comics, has recently lost his position at lex corp, and returned to being an underground maniacal mad genius criminal mastermind scientist guy....

Thats too bad :cmad:

[Motown Marvel]

Thats too bad :cmad:
actually, so far, its been pretty rad. read the arc 'up up and away'.

[FlawlessVictory]

It would have been really interesting if they had Luthor be the head of Lexcorp in Superman Returns. So, when Superman returns, not only is Luthor out of jail but he is the head of a billion dollar company! Singer was looking for difficult obstacles to overcome, ones where Superman couldn't just punch through, there's one right there. Then you can also work in Metallo much like they did in the animated series and still have all the drama between Superman, Lois, Richard and Jason. I think this would have satisfied a lot of people.

[Axl Van Sixx]

It would have been really interesting if they had Luthor be the head of Lexcorp in Superman Returns. So, when Superman returns, not only is Luthor out of jail but he is the head of a billion dollar company! Singer was looking for difficult obstacles to overcome, ones where Superman couldn't just punch through, there's one right there. Then you can also work in Metallo much like they did in the animated series and still have all the drama between Superman, Lois, Richard and Jason. I think this would have satisfied a lot of people.

I think this is probably Singer's single most wasted opportunity. If you have Superman gone for five years, you'd think that a LOT would change. Singer did that for Lois, but he should have paid more attention to Lex. Instead all we have is Lex Luthor "up to his old tricks". To me that shows a failure of imagination. It would have been a lot more interesting to have Superman come back and see that his old arch-nemesis is now one of the most powerful businessmen on the planet.

The reason I prefer the Post-Crisis "evil businessman" version of Luthor is that he's a much more unique and relevant character than the Pre-Crisis version. Mad scientists are a dime a dozen, but making Luthor a white-collar criminal more interesting. It's ironic that the most powerful superhero out there has an ordinary human being as his greatest enemy, and I think that it helps when Luthor is powerful multi-billionaire. It makes both him and Superman two of the most powerful men in the world, just in different ways (Lex financially, Superman physically). As such, it makes them seem like more of a match.

Business Luthor is also more relevant to the world today. Like somebody else posted with the jab at Cheney/Bush/whoever, multi-national corporations are some of the most powerful forces in the modern world. White-collar criminals like the guys from Enron can get away with almost anything, and that's why I like seeing Luthor portrayed in that way. Let's face it, Superman stories can often get far outside of relevance to the real world, which doesn't commonly see magical imps from the fourth dimension. Having Lex as a ruthless billionaire allows Superman stories to make all sorts of commentary about the real world. So it seems weird to me that a director like Singer, who strives for realism in his movies, missed this great opportunity to set up LexCorp in SR.

[nintendo nerd]

I've just found this on a very important mexican newspaper.Spacey says he wants to dedicate 100% to the Old Vic Theatre. He says making movies is not important for him anymore.What do you guys think? You think he will participate on a SR sequel?

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/431035.html

[blind_fury]

Hopefully Singer will follow his example. :ninja:

[nintendo nerd]

Hopefully Singer will follow his example. :ninja:

Well, I would like Singer to get another shot.

I don't mind if Spacey is not included in the sequel. We had enough of Lex Luthor in the movies. Is time for some new villians. IMO.

[Majik1387]

Translation according to freetranslations.com
It assures that alone interests him to comply with its work as the director of the theater Old Vic of London, that the next season will premiere an adaptation of All on my mother, the tape of Almodóvar Spacey carried out its last action in 2003(Foto: File/ELUNIVERSAL) - TO TO TO + EFE
The Universal one London, England Wednesday June 13, 2007

16:52 The American actor Kevin Spacey affirmed today that no longer its interpretive career interests him, a facet that seems to have left parked since became 2003 in artistic director of the theater Old Vic of London. "Already it does not matter to me my career as the actor. For me has finished", commented the protagonist of American Beauty (1999) in the program "London Tonight" of the British private television network ITV.

Spacey is found now immersed in the preparations of the new theatrical season of the Old Vic, in whose placard figures the adaptation of the film All on my mother, of the Spanish filmmaker Pedro Almodóvar.

"After ten years doing movies and coming to be better than what would never have imagined, I had to ask me: '¿What is supposed that I should do with all this success that have had?'" , It indicated the actor.

"I asked me: '¿I am going to continue doing movie after movie, worried about if I am well, I am ill, I am good or not?' Then I realized that that it did not matter to me nothing", explained the American interpreter.

What only interests to Spacey, according to him, is to work with the people and to do that this work united, task that develops since its charge in the symbolic one Old Vic, a theater with almost ninety years of history.

But only it has not directed in these four years: Kevin Spacey has also starred in works of the theater Londoner, among them, "TO moon for the misbegotten" ("A moon for the bastard").

[nintendo nerd]

Translation according to freetranslations.com

Thanks for the translation, pretty accurate.

[mjbull23]

Well, I would like Singer to get another shot.

I don't mind if Spacey is not included in the sequel. We had enough of Lex Luthor in the movies. Is time for some new villians. IMO.


Here here. If Luthor never returns to this current run, I won't be losing any sleep over it. He is overused and it is time for other Superman Villains to step up.

[Excel]

billy zane time!

[super-t]

yes Billy that is the ZANE!

[nintendo nerd]

billy zane time!

I don't think there will be a new Luthor with Singer on board. Maybe they'll just mention that he is in prison.

[blind_fury]

Well, I would like Singer to get another shot.

c'mon the guy blew it.

He ignored the comics completely, made Superman a stalker and dead beat dad, and squandered 200 million to make a "Superman lifts things" borefest. I'm confident there are directors who can do far better than Superman Returns.

Singer doesn't deserve another chance anymore than Brett Ratner.

[nintendo nerd]

c'mon the guy blew it.

He ignored the comics completely, made Superman a stalker and dead beat dad, and squandered 200 million to make a "Superman lifts things" borefest. I'm confident there are directors who can do far better than Superman Returns.

Singer doesn't deserve another chance anymore than Brett Ratner.

I'm sorry you didn't get the Superman movie you wanted.
Personally, I loved SR and want to see a sequel to that movie. I want to see Brandon Routh as Superman again. But I know if the sequel doesn't make a huge profit for WB, there's going to be a reboot.

[nintendo nerd]

blind fury love your avatar. Is Beetlejuice available in Hi def DVD already?

[Super Kal]

well, that's his decision of course...

[nintendo nerd]

well, that's his decision of course...

Too bad, I think he is one of the best actors, out there.

[Lightning54SC]

until its posted from a reliable source its all hog wash to me, even though id love to see Zane as Luther

[Lightning54SC]

if this proves to be real id love to see the reaction or at Bluetights.net... i bet most will go into denial....

[matthooper]

Unfortunately, all the actors signed a 3 picture deal. They are all bound by contract to appear in a sequel.

We're stuck with all of them.

[Ita-KalEl]

LOL this news doens't change nothing.
It's nice to see how the naysayers can't accept the fact that a sequel is on track.

[TaintedBlood]

he'll come back for singer... he owes much to him...

[blind_fury]

blind fury love your avatar. Is Beetlejuice available in Hi def DVD already?

No. :csad:

but Superman Returns is. :cmad:

[Lighthouse]

LOL this news doens't change nothing.
It's nice to see how the naysayers can't accept the fact that a sequel is on track.

And yet you continue to reassure yourself with constant "So and so confirms sequel!!" threads. Street goes both ways.

As for Kevin Spacey, since him and Bryan are friends I think he can convince him to come back for Luthor, especially since Spacey has talked many times about coming back. I also am very wary about actors saying they are going to "retire" because usually its BS, and they end up coming back anyway(save for class acts like Paul Newman). The only way I see him not coming back is if it conflicts with his schedule at the Old Vic, since that is his highest priority.

[C. Lee]

Spacey has mentioned the possibility in the past of giving up acting and concentrating on his work at the old Vic....so it wouldn't surprise me if he did this.

[Showtime]

This article was floating around a week or two ago on many websites, I don't think that Mexican article was translated correctly.

He didn't want to pull himself away from the Vic theater as he did with the Superman Returns movie while performing in a certain play. I don't think this means he won't act again, just not when he is already obligated to another performance.

[Showtime]

Ok...maybe I'm wrong.

http://www.pendletoday.co.uk/latest-entertainment-news?articleid=2952386


Hollywood actor Kevin Spacey has said that he no longer cares about his movie career.The star of American Beauty and The Usual Suspects told London Tonight he loved his role as artistic director of London's Old Vic theatre, a position he has held since 2003.

"I don't care about my personal acting career any more. I'm done with it," he said.

"After 10 years of making movies and going better than I ever could have imagined, I sort of had to ask myself: What am I supposed to do with all of this success that I have had?

"Am I just going to keep making movie after movie and be concerned with all of that 'Are you up, are you down, are you hot, are you not?', and I don't really care.

"What I care about is working with people, what I care about is the remarkable experience of being able to be a part of bringing people together."

Spacey, who won an Oscar for his role in the Sam Mendes-directed American Beauty, has acted in a number of productions at the Old Vic, including Richard II and Moon For The Misbegotten.

The theatre's 2007-08 season sees the artistic director taking a lead role in David Mamet's Speed-the-Plow, while Mendes will be directing The Tempest and Hamlet.

The season also includes Victorian thriller Gaslight, All About My Mother, based on the film by Pedro Almodovar and the Old Vic panto Cinderella, penned by actor and comedian Stephen Fry.

[nintendo nerd]

This article was floating around a week or two ago on many websites, I don't think that Mexican article was translated correctly.

He didn't want to pull himself away from the Vic theater as he did with the Superman Returns movie while performing in a certain play. I don't think this means he won't act again, just not when he is already obligated to another performance.

This Mexican newspaper has been wrong before, so it wouldn't surprise me if this article is false. But I wanted to share it with you guys.

I remember hearing like 6 years ago that Anthony Hopkins was not going to do movies anymore, and he is still doing like 2 movies a year, so who knows?

Maybe we'll get some info about the sequel and Spacey soon.

[nintendo nerd]

Ok...maybe I'm wrong.

http://www.pendletoday.co.uk/latest-entertainment-news?articleid=2952386


Hollywood actor Kevin Spacey has said that he no longer cares about his movie career.The star of American Beauty and The Usual Suspects told London Tonight he loved his role as artistic director of London's Old Vic theatre, a position he has held since 2003.

"I don't care about my personal acting career any more. I'm done with it," he said.

"After 10 years of making movies and going better than I ever could have imagined, I sort of had to ask myself: What am I supposed to do with all of this success that I have had?

"Am I just going to keep making movie after movie and be concerned with all of that 'Are you up, are you down, are you hot, are you not?', and I don't really care.

"What I care about is working with people, what I care about is the remarkable experience of being able to be a part of bringing people together."

Spacey, who won an Oscar for his role in the Sam Mendes-directed American Beauty, has acted in a number of productions at the Old Vic, including Richard II and Moon For The Misbegotten.

The theatre's 2007-08 season sees the artistic director taking a lead role in David Mamet's Speed-the-Plow, while Mendes will be directing The Tempest and Hamlet.

The season also includes Victorian thriller Gaslight, All About My Mother, based on the film by Pedro Almodovar and the Old Vic panto Cinderella, penned by actor and comedian Stephen Fry.

So that's where the Mexican newspaper got the info,is exactly the same, just in Spanish.

[Showtime]

Ask Stacy: "Superman" Sequel For Brandon Routh & Kevin Spacey?
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http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272613955.shtml

By Stacy Jenel Smith
Jun 9, 2007

DEAR STACY: Is there a sequel to the Brandon Routh-Kevin Spacey "Superman" in the making? And what is Spacey doing nowadays? Terrific actor. -- George S., Cleveland DEAR GEORGE: The two-time Oscar winner concludes his starring stint in the Broadway run of Eugene O'Neill's "A Moon for the Misbegotten" today (6/10) and will return to London, where he lives part time and serves as artistic director for the Old Vic theatre. (The revival was an Old Vic production).

"Superman" Sequel For Brandon Routh & Kevin Spacey?

Last September, he announced his decision to stay on with that august institution at least for another nine years. He has a supporting part in the Paul Giamatti-Vince Vaughn Christmastime comedy, "Fred Claus," due this fall -- and has completed "21," based on Ben Mezrich's best seller, "Bringing Down the House: The Inside Story of Six MIT Students Who Took Vegas for Millions." As for "Superman: Man of Steel," the intended 2009 release sequel, Routh is expected to be back as the title character, and Spacey plans to return as Lex Luthor, but there is no start date as yet.

[Showtime]

This is the article I was refering to. It doesn't say that he won't do theater, but that he wouldn't leave theater to do a movie.

http://www.andpop.com/article/9334

Hollywood star KEVIN SPACEY has vowed to put his theatre career before any big screen roles - and will appear on stage in January.

The American Beauty actor, who is artistic director at London's Old Vic theatre, disppointed fans last year when he pulled out of performance over a prior commitment to filming Superman Returns.

But he insists the switch isn't something he plans to repeat when he stars as Booby Gould in a revival of David Mamet's Speed-The-Plow.

He says, "I will never take time out from a production again.

"My single and total focus is on the Old Vic."

[Lighthouse]

Hmmm. Anyone know if he's under contract? He's a big star so he might not be obligated but I'm not really sure.

[nintendo nerd]

Ask Stacy: "Superman" Sequel For Brandon Routh & Kevin Spacey?
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http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272613955.shtml

By Stacy Jenel Smith
Jun 9, 2007

DEAR STACY: Is there a sequel to the Brandon Routh-Kevin Spacey "Superman" in the making? And what is Spacey doing nowadays? Terrific actor. -- George S., Cleveland DEAR GEORGE: The two-time Oscar winner concludes his starring stint in the Broadway run of Eugene O'Neill's "A Moon for the Misbegotten" today (6/10) and will return to London, where he lives part time and serves as artistic director for the Old Vic theatre. (The revival was an Old Vic production).

"Superman" Sequel For Brandon Routh & Kevin Spacey?

Last September, he announced his decision to stay on with that august institution at least for another nine years. He has a supporting part in the Paul Giamatti-Vince Vaughn Christmastime comedy, "Fred Claus," due this fall -- and has completed "21," based on Ben Mezrich's best seller, "Bringing Down the House: The Inside Story of Six MIT Students Who Took Vegas for Millions." As for "Superman: Man of Steel," the intended 2009 release sequel, Routh is expected to be back as the title character, and Spacey plans to return as Lex Luthor, but there is no start date as yet.

Now I'm confused.

Some info said he's done with acting. And this says he'll be back for a sequel. My head hurts.

[superbaby]

c'mon the guy blew it.

He ignored the comics completely, made Superman a stalker and dead beat dad, and squandered 200 million to make a "Superman lifts things" borefest. I'm confident there are directors who can do far better than Superman Returns.

Singer doesn't deserve another chance anymore than Brett Ratner.
i agree. i just think that he has no idea to make a superman movie.

[nintendo nerd]

i agree. i just think that he has no idea to make a superman movie.

Well,to each is own.

I thought he did a good job.

[superbaby]

Well,to each is own.

I thought he did a good job.
good to you. hopefully WB will make a quick confirmation. go ahead with singer or making a revamp as long as a new superman movie is coming, half of us will be happy.

[TheComicbookKid]

He and Singer are friends. He'd probably do it for him.

Didn't Singer shoot all of Lex's scenes close together so Spacey could get back to London while shooting SR?

[VenomsMom]

Hooray... no more land schemes.

[Lighthouse]

Hooray... no more land schemes.

....from Lex.:cwink:

[Showtime]

Hmmm. Anyone know if he's under contract? He's a big star so he might not be obligated but I'm not really sure.

I believe he is contracted for two movies, the first being Returns.

[Lighthouse]

I believe he is contracted for two movies, the first being Returns.

So even if he didn't want to do it, he still pretty much has to.

[Showtime]

Maybe Lex isn't even going to be in it. Who knows.

[C. Lee]

....from Lex.:cwink:

Does that mean Lenny is returning?:woot:

[blind_fury]

Jon Heder for Lenny dammit!!! :woot:

[Lighthouse]

Does that mean Lenny is returning?:woot:

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/two_and_a_half_men/Images/jon_cryer_two_and_a_half_men.jpg

In SR2, Superman becomes powerless against Lenny's kryptonite bong.

[Showtime]

Bring back Lenny!

[Lighthouse]

"Hey, there's Ross, hey!"

[Steelsheen]

He and Singer are friends. He'd probably do it for him.

Didn't Singer shoot all of Lex's scenes close together so Spacey could get back to London while shooting SR?

yeah he did, but despite that it probably had an impact on the Old Vic that Spacey has his misgivings about now.


I believe he is contracted for two movies, the first being Returns.

so if he doesnt come back, then what? WB buys out his contract?


Maybe Lex isn't even going to be in it. Who knows.
its certainly a possibility.

i'm disspointed. i'm a huge Spacey fan. yeah Lex could've been better written but getting rid of him doesnt assure that we'll get better written characters or a better plot, hell it doesnt even assure us that Singer wont use Zod (if anything, it might push him towards this direction even more). i hope that if Spacey would do one more movie role it would be for Superman. there still so much more to the evil of Lex that Spacey can play out for us. him not coming back would be a huge blow for production.

[Drunken Savior]

I liked Spacey's Luthor. :( I guess I'm part of the minority.

[Steelsheen]

I liked Spacey's Luthor. :( I guess I'm part of the minority.

no you're not :)

[Papa Burgundy]

no you're not :)exactly. kevin spacey is great as lex and was WAYYYYYYYYYYYY better than hackman

[Ita-KalEl]

Showtime=Myth :woot:

[dark_b]

lex should also have a smaller role in the sequel.
so for that little lines he will go back.

[Showtime]

Showtime=Myth :woot:

Maybe that will be the annoucement at Comic Con. Spacey is retiring, pushing back the sequel. :wow:

[Angeloz]

So you're a myth Showtime029? Which? Prometheus? ;) :oldrazz:

Angeloz

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Hopefully Singer will follow his example. :ninja:

From what i understand Singer quit acting a long time ago :cwink:

[Showtime]

So you're a myth Showtime029? Which? Prometheus? ;) :oldrazz:

Angeloz

I have no clue, apparently if a source gives me certain info, that turns out to be wrong I become a myth. Although certain people fail to remember the wealth of informtion I provided on Returns before anybody else knew about it. :csad:

[Showtime]

From what i understand Singer quit acting a long time ago :cwink:

He's playing Lex in a sequel.

[Angeloz]

I have no clue, apparently if a source gives me certain info, that turns out to be wrong I become a myth. Although certain people fail to remember the wealth of informtion I provided on Returns before anybody else knew about it. :csad:

So you don't get your liver eaten every day? :oldrazz:

Angeloz

[FlawlessVictory]

Reboot this d@mn thing already. :ninja:

I think my feelings on this franchise change daily. One day I want a Singer sequel, the next, I want him out and a reboot. Today, I'm feeling reboot. :woot:

As for Spacey, I could care less if we never see Lex again. I'm tired of the wig wearing goofy real estate scheming Lex we've been getting.

[Showtime]

So you don't get your liver eaten every day? :oldrazz:

Angeloz

No, nor do I carry the world on my shoulders or battle minotaurs.

[Angeloz]

No, nor do I carry the world on my shoulders or battle minotaurs.

Hehehe. :D

Angeloz

[Showtime]

Reboot this d@mn thing already. :ninja:

I think my feelings on this franchise change daily. One day I want a Singer sequel, the next, I want him out and a reboot. Today, I'm feeling reboot. :woot:

As for Spacey, I could care less if we never see Lex again. I'm tired of the wig wearing goofy real estate scheming Lex we've been getting.

I throw my hands in the air and give up on speculating. I don't want to let it get to me and turn into, "one of those posters".

[Angeloz]

The "Jaws" poster? Or "Titanic" poster? ;)

Angeloz

[Showtime]

http://imagesource.allposters.com/IMAGES/MG/195939.jpg

[Angeloz]

http://imagesource.allposters.com/IMAGES/MG/195939.jpg

Khan or Kirk?

Angeloz

[Showtime]

Khan...I guess.

I have never watched a Star Trek movie, although I am starting on the Bond series now.

[true316]

Showtime=Myth :woot:

Showtime gave us the gift of level-headedness, in essence he gave us peace. I just want what Showtime wanted....and, I want my cut.


http://www.calendarlive.com/media/photo/2006-01/21387777.jpg

:cwink:

[Showtime]

Thanks True.

Even though I didnt finish reading your script, you still show the love.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

As stated, Lex will have a smaller role. If he's not bringing back Lexcorp I'm not interested anyways. Bring on Brainiac and Metallo :cool:

[Angeloz]

Khan...I guess.

I have never watched a Star Trek movie, although I am starting on the Bond series now.

So vengeance is yours. ;)

By the way I do recommend that film because it's my favourite as well as the reason I was a Star Trek fan for ten years (in the eighties/nineties; I'll note they didn't show any of the series when I could watch it until the early nineties so I only had the films and later video tapes of the shows).

Angeloz

[C. Lee]

http://imagesource.allposters.com/IMAGES/MG/195939.jpg

Great movie....just rewatched it a couple of days ago.

[Super Kal]

Great movie....just rewatched it a couple of days ago.
rewatching it right now :)

[Mr. Socko]

No Lex or maybe a recast...?

[GreenKToo]

I concur 110%.As stated, Lex will have a smaller role. If he's not bringing back Lexcorp I'm not interested anyways. Bring on Brainiac and Metallo :cool:

[Justice Bringer]

Lex will be in this. Spaceys contracted and I dont think Bryan would do it without Spacey on it.

I also cant see Bryan doing 2 supervillians after the mess that was SM3; one of the 2 villians has got to be Lex.

[Justice Bringer]

I think my feelings on this franchise change daily. One day I want a Singer sequel, the next, I want him out and a reboot. Today, I'm feeling reboot. :woot:


Thats retarded.

[mjbull23]

I have a feeling that he will make an appearance in the film, but I'm hoping it's for a very limited amount of time.

[CGHulk]

rewatching it right now :)
Which one is better the Director's Cut or the theatrical? ;)

[Matt]

Unfortunately, all the actors signed a 3 picture deal. They are all bound by contract to appear in a sequel.

We're stuck with all of them.

An actor like Spacey probably had enough pull and a good enough agent to have a clause to get out of his contract or possibly a minimum number of days they can use him so it wouldn't even be worth it to use him.

[C. Lee]

Which one is better the Director's Cut or the theatrical? ;)

The director's cut....not much was put back in, but what was, helped explain the actions of one of the main characters in a particular situation.

[Showtime]

An actor like Spacey probably had enough pull and a good enough agent to have a clause to get out of his contract or possibly a minimum number of days they can use him so it wouldn't even be worth it to use him.

I was pretty sure Spacey was only signed on for Returns and a sequel, and you're right, there has to be an out clause.

[Matt]

I was pretty sure Spacey was only signed on for Returns and a sequel, and you're right, there has to be an out clause.

I'd say if there isn't an outright out clause, there is probably something along the lines of them only being able to use him 3 or 5 or 7 days of filming or whatever...in which case its not even practical to use him.

[Showtime]

Similar to what Brando had in one of his contracts I believe.

[dude love]

I doubt he was going to have a big role anyway, hell, all they need is a few photos of him for newspaper headlines. Or maybe a small scene where he's making a press release.

[true316]

Thanks True.

Even though I didnt finish reading your script, you still show the love.

I live to give.:word:

P.S.- If I ever get around to completing my script (by some miracle :oldrazz: ), I'll send it your way.

[Showtime]

Well you were a good way into it, so you should finish it up just for kicks. I can help you edit and get it copywritten for you if you wish.

[Super Kal]

The director's cut....not much was put back in, but what was, helped explain the actions of one of the main characters in a particular situation.
ditto :up:

[Matt]

The director's cut....not much was put back in, but what was, helped explain the actions of one of the main characters in a particular situation.

I'm pretty sure the statue of limitations on Wrath of Khan spoilers is long expired :cwink:

[C. Lee]

I'm pretty sure the statue of limitations on Wrath of Khan spoilers is long expired :cwink:

I wouldn't be so sure....ever since Singer mentioned it in reference to a possible SR sequel....I've seen many posters here say they have never seen Khan. I don't want to spoil anything for those guys.

[Angeloz]

Spoiler tags then?

Angeloz

[C. Lee]

If I give a vague reference...then nothing is spoiled and may get someone interested in seeing it....if I use a spoiler tag, they can still click on it and read it....and they may get upset at themselves for being so weak willed.

[Angeloz]

Two spoiler tags? ;)

Angeloz

[C. Lee]

The path to enlightenment is rough and narrow.

[Angeloz]

Just kidding. Though since I've only seen parts of the Directors Cut which character?

Angeloz

[C. Lee]

Scotty

[Angeloz]

Thanks.

Angeloz

[C. Lee]

You're welcome.

[chosen1]

He wants to quit acting?

Superman was'nt that bad....

[Showtime]

I wouldn't be so sure....ever since Singer mentioned it in reference to a possible SR sequel....I've seen many posters here say they have never seen Khan. I don't want to spoil anything for those guys.

I for one haven't seen it.

[Angeloz]

Are you considering it? As I said it's the best film (one of my all time favourites).

Angeloz

[Super Kal]

I for one haven't seen it.
maybe you should :)...

[Showtime]

maybe you should :)...

"...maybe Clark's right."

[Super Kal]

"...maybe Clark's right."
lol, okay, I don't get that joke

[Showtime]

It's a line from Returns of course, and I am saying that maybe you are right and I should see it.

[Super Kal]

oh, okay :):up:

[true316]

Well you were a good way into it, so you should finish it up just for kicks. I can help you edit and get it copywritten for you if you wish.

I'll give it a shot. I'd definitely appreciate some help with editing whenever I do finish. :up:

[Mr. Socko]

John Cusack looks an awful lot like Spacey to me and he's a good actor.

[Showtime]

I'll give it a shot. I'd definitely appreciate some help with editing whenever I do finish. :up:

I would be happy to edit it once it's a finished product. It's easier to edit once it is a complete script.

[Showtime]

John Cusack looks an awful lot like Spacey to me and he's a good actor.

So does that mean you are thinking of him as Lex.

[Mr. Socko]

So does that mean you are thinking of him as Lex.


I just saw Ice Harvest so yes.

[Qwerty©]

One of the biggest disappointments for Superman fans was Lex Luthor's portrayal in Superman Returns. There are several reasons for this, the main reason was that Singer's interpretation didn't fit with most fan's preference of the post-crisis Luthor.

I myself was disappointed with Luthor in SR. There simply wasn't any development in his character. He was more brutal, but that was it. Spacey just wasn't as good as Hackman, for me.

Obviously the way to rectify this is to develop his character more in the sequel. But fans want a new villain, so will we get this? I do not believe Luthor should be absent from the sequel. His presence in Superman's life is just as important as the Daily Planet.

So how can we develop Luthor's character in a way that seems plausible? How will he set up LexCorp, as most fans wish to happen? How will he get away from growing an entire continent?

Discuss.

[dude love]

Well he wasn't brought to justice in SR. Like I said in the Jason thread if the government eventually get in a beef with Superman they'll want to recruit Luthor nd wipe the slate clean. I think Luthor might help the Government develop Metallo maybe?

[Showtime]

I think Spacey's portrayal was great as Lex, I think what Lex was given to do as a character in Returns wasn't up to par, but I think Spacey made the best of it.

[Eros]

I agree showtime, given a better script and better plot he would of been better.

[Showtime]

I agree showtime, given a better script and better plot he would of been better.

Yeah, I mean I liked the entire script itself, it flowed much better than the movie. It was well written actually. I just think the scheme that was created could have been amped up, he could have done something else with the Kryptonian technology, like created a supervillian or a massive army or weapons.

[Eros]

Yeah, I mean I liked the entire script itself, it flowed much better than the movie. It was well written actually. I just think the scheme that was created could have been amped up, he could have done something else with the Kryptonian technology, like created a supervillian or a massive army or weapons.


yea but Lex didn't know the full capabilites of the tech, so creating an army would of been a stretch. He was non the less determiend to continure with his Land business.

[Excel]

I think Spacey's portrayal was great as Lex, I think what Lex was given to do as a character in Returns wasn't up to par, but I think Spacey made the best of it.

:up:

[Showtime]

yea but Lex didn't know the full capabilites of the tech, so creating an army would of been a stretch. He was non the less determiend to continure with his Land business.

We are talking about a movie about a man who can fly and crystals that can create land, if they wanted to make an army it's not that far-fetched.

[COMPO]

What if Lex made a small appearance in the next film by in a sort of twist of their relationship helps Superman in exchange for leniancy for his crimes. Also, in terms of LexCorp that old woman coudl have a had a company and Lex inherited it and in the third film we see LexCorp and lex Luthor by philantrophy making up the guise that he's changed.. but he hasn't.

[Eros]

We are talking about a movie about a man who can fly and crystals that can create land, if they wanted to make an army it's not that far-fetched.


Not it being far fetch, Just Lex being able to create that kind accurate of stuff with a very little Knowledge of the technology.

[COMPO]

yeah he only learned how to make land with it.

[Justice Bringer]

Theyve already hinted at a corperate/political Lex for the sequel but to me (consider I've seen that interpretation so many times); I hope they move even beyond that with Lex for the 3rd film...

Like Lex whos more interested in absolute knowledge and immortality from Brainiac (JLU S3); Spacey's Lex seems more interested in that kinda stuff than corperate power.

[Justice Bringer]

yeah he only learned how to make land with it.

"Tell me everything....starting with the Crystals"

Who knows what Jor-El told him. Lex said the crystals can be used to create advanced weaponary....and he was saving the other crystals for a specific reason.

[DarkMajin]

I think Spacey is a great choice to play Lex, but in SR it felt like he was being told to channel Hackman's "goofy Lex" at different moments, rather than just playing the character straight.

The sort of Lex I wanted for a new franchise was the same kind we found in the animated series.

It did also bother me there wasn't much closure...in the first story arc of TaS Lex wasn't caught either I believe, but his ending with Supes was a lot better than what we got in SR.

[darkseid26]

Spacey did a great Lex, the only thing was that i guess singer wanted the lex to be more like hackman with the comedic timing and what not.

Next Film Spaceys Lex should be more dark and evil. the lex we love to hate.

[COMPO]

i know after being beaten by Superman again. Stranded on a an island with Kitty and finding out Superman didn't die. It shoudl piss him off that he's been bested again.

[boywonder13]

i heard, kevin spacey quit acting in movies....

i guess that doesnt bode well for the sequel.i dont want them to get some new actor to portray him. i think he should just die in the movies, cuz i really want to see something new, but i do want to see a luthor braniac team up which would be intereting.

[Qwerty©]

I think Spacey is a great choice to play Lex, but in SR it felt like he was being told to channel Hackman's "goofy Lex" at different moments, rather than just playing the character straight.

Spacey has said that he deliberately didn't copy Hackman. It shows, as both interpretations are quite different.

[Justice Bringer]

He based his performance on Enron chief Kenneth Leigh (thats what he said at the Spaceys :/ )

[Justice Bringer]

i heard, kevin spacey quit acting in movies....

i guess that doesnt bode well for the sequel.i dont want them to get some new actor to portray him. i think he should just die in the movies, cuz i really want to see something new, but i do want to see a luthor braniac team up which would be intereting.

Hes still contracted for the Superman sequels. I'm not certain DC would allow them to kill Lex off either. Lois and Clark were allowed to but then brought him back. Timm and McDuffie wanted to but the end of JLU but werent allowed to kill anyone off.

[DarkMajin]

Spacey has said that he deliberately didn't copy Hackman. It shows, as both interpretations are quite different.

Even so...his Lex tended to randomly burst into "goofy moments"...that I thought detracted from an otherwise solid performance.

Lex needs to be a rather sinister type guy, whose humor isn't goofy.

[Mr. Socko]

If anything, Lex/Spacey was the best thing about SR.

[Deaths Head II]

I think Lex could get his name cleared by helping fight against the alien menace that might show up in the new film. Lex helps Superman save the world in some manner using his intellect, and most people become convinced he reformed apart from Superman. In reality, he only did it to make sure he is the one to destroy Superman, not the alien threat. But he uses the newfound trust of the public and the inheritance he gained in SR to create Lexcorp, which is actually another, more subtler way of attacking the Man of Steel.

[Steelsheen]

Spacey did well as Lex.

dont blame the flaws of the script on the Spaceman :cool:

[Qwerty©]

Even so...his Lex tended to randomly burst into "goofy moments"...that I thought detracted from an otherwise solid performance.

Lex needs to be a rather sinister type guy, whose humor isn't goofy.It wasn't 'goofy'.

Yelling aggressively in the face of a young child isn't goofy.

Saying "Kryyyptonite!" in a mocking manner while Superman is suffering isn't goofy.

The "Roish Rane" scene was goofy, I'll give you that, but that wasn't part of the character, it was situational comedy.

[GreenKToo]

:up: and after he creates Lex-corp, he runs for public office.I think Lex could get his name cleared by helping fight against the alien menace that might show up in the new film. Lex helps Superman save the world in some manner using his intellect, and most people become convinced he reformed apart from Superman. In reality, he only did it to make sure he is the one to destroy Superman, not the alien threat. But he uses the newfound trust of the public and the inheritance he gained in SR to create Lexcorp, which is actually another, more subtler way of attacking the Man of Steel.

[Justice Bringer]

He aint running for public office in this version I dont think. Lexcorp is likely given Luthor's interest in alien technology; but Lex doesnt seem to want political power (not that his past criminal record will allow him to run anyway). I'd rather they go the Lexcorp/Brainiac route with him.

[GreenKToo]

thats right, convicted felons cannot run for office. As long as we got Lex-corp, I would be happy.He aint running for public office in this version I dont think. Lexcorp is likely given Luthor's interest in alien technology; but Lex doesnt seem to want political power (not that his past criminal record will allow him to run anyway). I'd rather they go the Lexcorp/Brainiac route with him.

[Justice Bringer]

I'm not a fan of President Lex anyways. I'm glad he didnt become one in JLU. A Lex more motivated towards absolute knowledge and power.....immortality; is more to my liking. It ties well with Brainiac.

[ThanosOfTitans]

I'm not a fan of President Lex anyways. I'm glad he didnt become one in JLU. A Lex more motivated towards absolute knowledge and power.....immortality; is more to my liking. It ties well with Brainiac.

I agree with you there. Hoping we can see that properly executed in the sequel.

[darkseid26]

true dat.

[Steelsheen]

I'm not a fan of President Lex anyways. I'm glad he didnt become one in JLU. A Lex more motivated towards absolute knowledge and power.....immortality; is more to my liking. It ties well with Brainiac.

gold!

[pjspider1C]

I'm not a fan of President Lex anyways. I'm glad he didnt become one in JLU. A Lex more motivated towards absolute knowledge and power.....immortality; is more to my liking. It ties well with Brainiac.

Only problem with this is that the Lex Luthor in the movies is obsessed land. He's into real estate. I'm sure it wouldn't be hard for him to make the transition though.

[ThanosOfTitans]

Only problem with this is that the Lex Luthor in the movies is obsessed with land. He's into real estate. I'm sure it wouldn't be hard for him to make the transition though.

LOL that tickled me. u're fun-e

[DarkMajin]

It wasn't 'goofy'.

Yelling aggressively in the face of a young child isn't goofy.

Saying "Kryyyptonite!" in a mocking manner while Superman is suffering isn't goofy.

The "Roish Rane" scene was goofy, I'll give you that, but that wasn't part of the character, it was situational comedy.

He just didn't strike me as sinister enough...having a Ms. Teschmacher clone around didn't really help separate him from Hackman's character either...I was surprised he let her live when she slapped him (cause here I was expecting a new Lex for a new franchise...a more villainous one).

The Lex in SR was way too connected to the Hackman Lex.

[Qwerty©]

He just didn't strike me as sinister enough...having a Ms. Teschmacher clone around didn't really help separate him from Hackman's character either...I was surprised he let her live when she slapped him (cause here I was expecting a new Lex for a new franchise...a more villainous one).I always thought Lex kept those idiots around so he could feel smarter, a sort of superiority complex, if you will.

The Lex in SR was way too connected to the Hackman Lex.Because it was the same character :huh:

[DarkMajin]

I always thought Lex kept those idiots around so he could feel smarter, a sort of superiority complex, if you will.

Well, in TaS his consistent minion was Mercy, his bodyguard/limo driver (any further involvement who knows)...actually a cool character... she was very loyal to Lex yet came to learn that Lex didn't care about those who were actually loyal to him.

I think that sort of better illustrates Lex's personality than well...having a Teschmacher clone.

Because it was the same character :huh:

I suppose...it was meant to be...but I think there should have been a new Lex for a new franchise.

For a film that "seemed" to following after Superman II...it did not even deal with the connotations of that fim's culiminated storyline, where Superman actively chooses to not have any romantic involvements, or attempt to have a family...but instead be 100% devoted to the earth.
In Singer's film he not only impregnates Lois some time after Part II, he also abandons earth for 5 years.

[Dan33977]

From Variety:

Spacey set for 'Superman' sequel

Actor to play Major Banks in Moran's 'Telstar'

By ANNE THOMPSON (http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=bio&peopleID=2026)



http://a330.g.akamai.net/7/330/23382/20070531210758/www.variety.com/graphics/photos/_mugs/spacey_kevin.jpg
Spacey

Kevin Spacey will return as Lex Luthor in "Superman: Man of Steel" and appear in "Telstar," Nick Moran's film version of Moran and James Hicks' 2005 darkly comic West End play about flamboyant '60s record mogul Joe Meek."Superman" director Bryan Singer met with Spacey in New York while the latter was appearing on Broadway in Eugene O'Neill's recently wrapped "Moon for the Misbegotten." Singer was about to pitch his "Man of Steel" sequel to Warner Bros.; "Superman Returns" scripter Michael Dougherty is now writing the screenplay.
After Singer completes "Valkyrie" and "The Mayor of Castro Street," he plans to start production on "Man of Steel" next year for a 2009 release.
Spacey hopes to shoot his Luthor role in a six-week block, as he did on "Superman Returns," after he completes his run in David Mamet's "Speed the Plow" in April.
This week, Spacey joined the cast of "Telstar," which started filming Monday in London. Meek is the gay, tone deaf songwriter-producer who produced hits including "Have I the Right," "Just Like Eddie," "Johnny, Remember Me" and the instrumental "Telstar." Con O'Neill reprises his stage role as Meek; Spacey plays his financier, Major Banks.
"It's exciting to be part of my first British ensemble film," Spacey said.
Spacey, who has eight years remaining on his 10-year contract as artistic director of London's Old Vic Theater, corrected recent Internet stories announcing his retirement from film acting in favor of the stage.
"My priorities have changed," he admitted on the phone from London. "Theater is the No. 1 thing in my life. But I love movies and will continue to make movies when I can."
In a June interview with "London Tonight" on Brit net ITV1, about a deal with Sam Mendes for the Bridge Project between the Old Vic and the Brooklyn Academy of Music, the Times of London quoted Spacey as saying, "I don't care about my personal acting career any more. I'm done with it."
On Tuesday, Spacey told Daily Variety, "In no way did I use the word retirement. Someone else pulled that out of thin air. It's false, there's not a lick of truth to it."
Spacey has two films in the can: David Dobkin's comedy "Fred Claus," which Warner Bros. will open Nov. 9, and Robert Luketic's "21," in which he plays an MIT professor who teaches his students to count cards. Latter is set for a March release by Columbia Pictures.
Spacey has also recorded two songs for a tribute CD to Dean Martin, "Forever Cool," which EMI will release on Aug. 14.



I, for one, think this is good news! Sounds like the film is still on.

[Lobster Charlie]

:( Guess I'll have to wait til I'm in my 40's and take my future children to the reboot.

[nosebleed.]

Here we go again. Singer brings back the screenwriter for SR as well.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5989

Superman Returns screenwriter Michael Dougherty is now writing the screenplay.

Soo...do you think they'll learn from their mistakes?

[Lobster Charlie]

I'm not crazy about Singer's "style," any of the casting choices they've made, the crap costume, Superman's silly haircut, and the lack of story.

I have no faith whatsoever in this sequel. :(

[Dan33977]

Also, I just read this in an unrelated article in The Hollywood Reporter:

"The future of the studio's recent comic book adaptation, 2006's "Superman Returns," is somewhat more dubious. That film cost $209 million (even after various tax rebates) and marketing costs sent expenses upward of $300 million, but director Bryan Singer's Man of Steel picture made only $201 million domestically. While insiders say the movie was profitable, the studio mandated major cost cuts before proceeding with a sequel. "If we do a sequel to 'Superman,' we want it to be less expensive," (Warner Bros. COO) Horn acknowledges. "I have to see a screenplay before I say yes to anything. But the studio would be willing to spend as much as $175 million if the screenplay and other factors warranted it.""

[FlawlessVictory]

Yay!!! More wigs and goofy real estate plans! :csad:

[FlawlessVictory]

Here we go again. Singer brings back the screenwriter for SR as well.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5989



Soo...do you think they'll learn from their mistakes?

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Singer thought there wasn't one thing wrong with the movie. I mean, it was all because of WB's marketing that this movie didn't do as well as it should have, right? :rolleyes:

[Lighthouse]

Jesus, I wish entertainment magazines could get their facts straight. It says he'll do it after Castro Street, but no one knows if he's going to do Castro Street, yet they print it anyway. Entertainment journalism really is worthless.

[Dan33977]

I'm not crazy about Singer's "style," any of the casting choices they've made, the crap costume, Superman's silly haircut, and the lack of story.

I have no faith whatsoever in this sequel. :(


Can we please, PLEASE, not turn this in to a bashing session (or vice versa). These kind of arguments have been made plenty of times before, so we are all familiar with the film's divisiveness. Let's keep the conversation productive.

[Dan33977]

sorry, dbl post

[Lobster Charlie]

Eh, I'm just saying I have no faith in Singer's decisions. Someone asked, I answered. Whether it becomes a bashing session...we'll just have to see.

[SLYspyder]

Unbelievable! Can we get ONE Superman movie without the stupid conman Lex Luthor?! I wouldn't mind one bit if they had the Luthor from the cartoon in there, hell, even the one from Smallville will do.

[Darth Elektra]

Sweet, glad to hear he will be back!

Also glad to hear Bryan knows where he wants the sequel to go.

[Agent 194]

I'm not crazy about Singer's "style," any of the casting choices they've made, the crap costume, Superman's silly haircut, and the lack of story.

:(

As a fan of Singer's from the first two X movies I however have to admit I really felt pretty much the same way about his take on a Superman movie. I however am going to be a bit more optimistic about a second one.

[matrix_ghost]

I still don't buy it that SInger is gonna direct two movies before beginning work on the sequel.
But w/e. at least there's finally some news that they are working on the sequel.
Also why is there only news of Dougherty writing the script ?
I know that both Harris and Dougherty were gonna make their own movies before beginning writing the sequel. But is Harris still busy with I,LUCIFER :huh:

[Agent 194]

I however would like to see another direction than the Lex Luthor villain. Let's move anew.

[matrix_ghost]

I however would like to see another direction than the Lex Luthor villain. Let's move anew.

Given that Luthor knows Supes has a son , i doubt we'll be seeing another direction

[Lighthouse]

I still don't buy it that SInger is gonna direct two movies before beginning work on the sequel.
But w/e. at least there's finally some news that they are working on the sequel.
Also why is there only news of Dougherty writing the script ?
I know that both Harris and Dougherty were gonna make their own movies before beginning writing the sequel. But is Harris still busy with I,LUCIFER :huh:

Its probably another journalistic error. Its just plain sloppy.

[Lestat74]

I'm almost 100% certain that Singer & Co. have stated on more than one occasion that Lex is not the only villain in the next movie. And since he wants to get "all sci-fi" for the next one, I'd just as quickly assume Brainiac before anyone else. He's Superman's #2 villain after all.

I have a feeling they are going to use the footage of Superman in the ruins of Krypton that was cut from SR at the start of the new film, showing Superman realizing there is nothing out there and deciding to return to Earth. Then we'll see something in space follow his warp signature home and cut to: several years/months later, after the events of Superman Returns and Brainiac arrives on Earth and all hell breaks loose. It would be a wise move to use that $10 million dollars worth of FX footage that was done and cut costs for the next one.

[Dark_Lord]

They know that the only way WB will OK the sequel is if the screenplay contains the things most people wanted from SR and didnt get.

A villain that can stand against Superman and lots of action. Lex beeing in the movie, doesnt mean he's going to be the only villain. So unless Singer and CO arent really interested in making the sequel, they probably wont be "fixing" those things that were "wrong" with SR.

[matrix_ghost]

Its probably another journalistic error. Its just plain sloppy.

You sure about that. This is Variety we're talking about :huh:
HOnestly i think this wouldn't be far from the truth. For starters we know that Harris and Dougherty would make their own movies.

Dougherty woulld make Trick 'R Treat , a halloween horror movie and Harris would make I ,LUCIFER , a movie where Lucifer would come to earth to live out his days without sin.

There was loads of news on Trick 'R Treat including a website , cast and a trailer 9 i think) but with I , LUCIFER the only thing we got were casting news.( btw they have an excellent cast with Ewan McGregor and Daniel Craig as Lucifer :woot: ).
If this news is true , Harris would still be busy with this movie .

[Lighthouse]

You sure about that. This is Variety we're talking about :huh:
HOnestly i think this wouldn't be far from the truth. For starters we know that Harris and Dougherty would make their own movies.

Dougherty woulld make Trick 'R Treat , a halloween horror movie and Harris would make I ,LUCIFER , a movie where Lucifer would come to earth to live out his days without sin.

There was loads of news on Trick 'R Treat including a website , cast and a trailer 9 i think) but with I , LUCIFER the only thing we got were casting news.( btw they have an excellent cast with Ewan McGregor and Daniel Craig as Lucifer :woot: ).
If this news is true , Harris would still be busy with this movie .

It could be true, but the damn thing feels like it was just thrown in there. The fact that Singer is doing Castro before Superman would be news in itself, but we have just one line here.

[matrix_ghost]

I'm almost 100% certain that Singer & Co. have stated on more than one occasion that Lex is not the only villain in the next movie. And since he wants to get "all sci-fi" for the next one, I'd just as quickly assume Brainiac before anyone else. He's Superman's #2 villain after all.

I have a feeling they are going to use the footage of Superman in the ruins of Krypton that was cut from SR at the start of the new film, showing Superman realizing there is nothing out there and deciding to return to Earth. Then we'll see something in space follow his warp signature home and cut to: several years/months later, after the events of Superman Returns and Brainiac arrives on Earth and all hell breaks loose. It would be a wise move to use that $10 million dollars worth of FX footage that was done and cut costs for the next one.

It's been more or less confirmed by SInger and co. that he will use the deleted Krypton sequence for the movie.
And i do remember reading that the New Krypton would also play a (large) role in the sequel.

My only problem with Singer saying he wants to go all Khan on this is the kid.
In the end the relationship between the kid and supes being a dad will be very important. :csad:
Gawd i wish Singer would have the balls to let the kid die by some villain.

[Lighthouse]

It's been more or less confirmed by SInger and co. that he will use the deleted Krypton sequence for the movie.
And i do remember reading that the New Krypton would also play a (large) role in the sequel.

My only problem with Singer saying he wants to go all Khan on this is the kid.
In the end the relationship between the kid and supes being a dad will be very important. :csad:
Gawd i wish Singer would have the balls to let the kid die by some villain.

When was this ever confirmed? I had always heard Singer wanted to reincorporate it into another IMAX release of SR. So far I've only heard speculation on this being in SR2, and haven't heard any real source that says it will be in the movie. I might be wrong, but if there are any links I'd love to see them.

[Justice Bringer]

Didnt Mike D confirm they were playing around with Brainiac and Luthor going corperate or political?


Brainiac and Luthor would be great for the sequel as long as Brainiac is designed in a way where he would be a strong physical force for Superman to combat as well.

[buggs0268]

I still think the WB will pass. Singer just heard the rumor and got on a plane to make sure he had some cast clout.

[Justice Bringer]

When was this ever confirmed? I had always heard Singer wanted to reincorporate it into another IMAX release of SR. So far I've only heard speculation on this being in SR2, and haven't heard any real source that says it will be in the movie. I might be wrong, but if there are any links I'd love to see them.

They mentioned once that one of the options was to throw RtK into the sequel but it wasnt 100% confirmed though.

Singer said he didnt want to release RtK unless it was on the big screen (which is why it wasnt on the DVD deleted scenes) so this 10 mill dollar sequence appearing in MoS is quite possible.

It could be a nice origin for Brainiac coming to Earth from Krypton :)

[Pickle-El]

Didnt Mike D confirm they were playing around with Brainiac and Luthor going corperate or political?


Brainiac and Luthor would be great for the sequel as long as Brainiac is designed in a way where he would be a strong physical force for Superman to combat as well.

They've said 'villains' on numerous occasions.....I think they're probably talking Lex + 2 supervillains.

That's fine, even if it is just an introductory fight with Metallo in the first act.

[Captain Clown]

Ugh Dougherty's writing the sequel? I think I'll wait for this movie to be on tv before I see it.

[Darth Elektra]

They've said 'villains' on numerous occasions.....I think they're probably talking Lex + 2 supervillains.

That's fine, even if it is just an introductory fight with Metallo in the first act.

That's what I'm thinking. :up:

[Superman-Prime]

This is a great news! I hope they don't focus on Lex Luthor too much.

I want the new villain to appear in the movie.

[matrix_ghost]

They know that the only way WB will OK the sequel is if the screenplay contains the things most people wanted from SR and didnt get.

A villain that can stand against Superman and lots of action. Lex beeing in the movie, doesnt mean he's going to be the only villain. So unless Singer and CO arent really interested in making the sequel, they probably wont be "fixing" those things that were "wrong" with SR.

And this IMO is the one thing that haters AND defenders should realise that this isn't confirmation that the sequel is good to go.
With the JLA script turned in and WB liking , WB exec. will see just how this script will turn out.
We now know that Kevin Spacey wil reprise his role should the movie be greenlit.


If the script is approved , we'll soon find out if WB will give the good ahead.

Aside from the kid , my only other fear is that horn is willing to spend 170 million for the sequel. Now looking back at movies like POTC and especially Spider-man which feature grand VFX shots with CG humans , you cant help but notice just how expensive those movies are.
Granted there are (loads) of sets of SR that can be used again as well as the 10 million dollar Krypton sequence. Not to mention that there was alot PRe-VIZ and R/D was done for SR which can also be sused for the sequel.
But even so if SInger really wants to go all Wrath of Khan , i just can't see 170 million being enough unless they (completely) ditch the CG superman and use less difficult CG creations.



And for the love of god , if anyone is going to bring up TF as an excuse that 170 million is too much for the sequel i'm gona punch that person. Seriously , while TF costs less and featured bigger , better , more exciting VFX then SR you really can't compare them in terms of VFX.
If you break down all those shots you can see why ?
The only movies that IMO can be compared with SR in terms of VFX and scale are the POTC /MATRIX/SPIDER-MAN movies.

[Pickle-El]

I still think the WB will pass. Singer just heard the rumor and got on a plane to make sure he had some cast clout.

See, you say ridiculously speculatory things like this, and get all upset when someone calls you on it. So you put them on 'ignore' so they don't unhinge you like usually happens.

[Justice Bringer]

They've said 'villains' on numerous occasions.....I think they're probably talking Lex + 2 supervillains.

That's fine, even if it is just an introductory fight with Metallo in the first act.

Yeah that Metallo rumor turned out to be bogus though; but Lex + 2 supervillians is possible.

I wouldnt have a problem if it was just Brainiac and Lex though....or perhaps even Lex fused with Brainiac in the final act; Lex getting ultimate knowledge and immortality JLU style.

[Lighthouse]

Who knows anymore. Maybe someone will do an interview with Singer for Valkyrie and he'll clear some of this crap up. I'm getting tired of the vague and mixed messages from these media outlets.

[Dark_Lord]

I still think the WB will pass. Singer just heard the rumor and got on a plane to make sure he had some cast clout.

I'm sure Singer didnt hear a rumor. He probably already knew what WB was planning about the sequel. Do you think they didnt tell him they want a screenplay first, before things move ahead...

[Dark_Lord]

And this IMO is the one thing that haters AND defenders should realise that this isn't confirmation that the sequel is good to go.
With the JLA script turned in and WB liking , WB exec. will see just how this script will turn out.
We now know that Kevin Spacey wil reprise his role should the movie be greenlit.


If the script is approved , we'll soon find out if WB will give the good ahead.

Aside from the kid , my only other fear is that horn is willing to spend 170 million for the sequel. Now looking back at movies like POTC and especially Spider-man which feature grand VFX shots with CG humans , you cant help but notice just how expensive those movies are.
Granted there are (loads) of sets of SR that can be used again as well as the 10 million dollar Krypton sequence. Not to mention that there was alot PRe-VIZ and R/D was done for SR which can also be sused for the sequel.
But even so if SInger really wants to go all Wrath of Khan , i just can't see 170 million being enough unless they (completely) ditch the CG superman and use less difficult CG creations.



And for the love of god , if anyone is going to bring up TF as an excuse that 170 million is too much for the sequel i'm gona punch that person. Seriously , while TF costs less and featured bigger , better , more exciting VFX then SR you really can't compare them in terms of VFX.
If you break down all those shots you can see why ?
The only movies that IMO can be compared with SR in terms of VFX and scale are the POTC /MATRIX/SPIDER-MAN movies.

Yeah but TF...:oldrazz: :woot: ...

Like I said. Singer and CO will try to "fix" these things cause they know they dont get to make the sequel if they dont and I think they want to.

[Pickle-El]

Yeah that Metallo rumor turned out to be bogus though; but Lex + 2 supervillians is possible.

I wouldnt have a problem if it was just Brainiac and Lex though....or perhaps even Lex fused with Brainiac in the final act; Lex getting ultimate knowledge and immortality JLU style.

I'm not sure that would be a good idea on the big screen. It's takes enough suspension of disbelief in Singer's world to have someone like Brainiac in it...but fusing 2 major villains would be a little silly. (though it was awesome in JLU)

I do want to see Metallo flying through a building, collapsing the thing Vegas-style though (2 fights, first and second act)....Then gave a finale of Supes-Brainiac going at it all around the earth. (not unlike the JJ-Abrams beginning to his Superman film)

Mow it down to around 2 hrs. It's all gravy. Jason has to be involved though....maybe have Brainiac hold him for ransom. (It's a cheap plot device, but we'd get a pissed off Supes not holding back in a fight)

[buggs0268]

I'm sure Singer didnt hear a rumor. He probably already knew what WB was planning about the sequel. Do you think they didnt tell him they want a screenplay first, before things move ahead...
The other day his camp was saying it will definately get made. Then we hear Horn saying what he said. Then all of a sudden Singer is in N.Y. talking to Spacey to make sure he is confirmed.

[Rob-el]

The one thing missing of course is an offical word from WB - until then all I hear is their silence and everything else is meaningless.

[matrix_ghost]

When was this ever confirmed? I had always heard Singer wanted to reincorporate it into another IMAX release of SR. So far I've only heard speculation on this being in SR2, and haven't heard any real source that says it will be in the movie. I might be wrong, but if there are any links I'd love to see them.

Not entirely confirmed. I think initially when Returns came out Singer had said that maybe there would be rerelease of SR with all the deleted scenes or just that scene inserted .

But later on i read reports with either Singer or Horn saying that they would use the sequence in the sequel.

[Agent 194]

Given that Luthor knows Supes has a son , i doubt we'll be seeing another direction


Oh, well thanks for reminding me of that. I'd forgotten about that. That's an idiotic story element to have included in the first place. I'd rather most of that movie just be ignored. Kind of like what they did with many elements of Star Trek the Motion Picture.

[Dark_Lord]

The other day his camp was saying it will definately get made. Then we hear Horn saying what he said. Then all of a sudden Singer is in N.Y. talking to Spacey to make sure he is confirmed.

IESB said it was someone from Singers camp. Someone from Singers camp isnt Singer.

WB is willing to give Singer another shot (and 175$ mil) and they wouldnt keep him up to date on their plans about the sequel? Do you really think Singer is waiting to read rumors online to find out whats going on at WB?

[matrix_ghost]

Yeah but TF...:oldrazz: :woot: ...

Like I said. Singer and CO will try to "fix" these things cause they know they get to make the sequel if they dont and I think they want to.

Oh they definately will. I think fans have indeed voiced their opinions and with the BO performance of SR , WB and/or Singer will make some changes for the sequel.
Especially WB. I think that Singer will get his money again only this time there will be loads of control from WB. I just hope it doesn't affect the movie itself. We all heard what happened with Batman & Robin as well as Avi Arad constantly saying to Raimi to incorporate Venom.

[Rob-el]

Oh, well thanks for reminding me of that. I'd forgotten about that. That's an idiotic story element to have included in the first place. I'd rather most of that movie just be ignored. Kind of like what they did with many elements of Star Trek the Motion Picture.

They could very easily go that route. I didn't have that much trouble with SR but we have got to get rid of the kid and ignoring it ever happened is acceptable to me! On that note I apologize for any of my "WB would never let the kid be Superman's" postings - obviously I didn't know what the hell I was talking about back then!

[Justice Bringer]

I'm not sure that would be a good idea on the big screen. It's takes enough suspension of disbelief in Singer's world to have someone like Brainiac in it...but fusing 2 major villains would be a little silly. (though it was awesome in JLU)

I do want to see Metallo flying through a building, collapsing the thing Vegas-style though (2 fights, first and second act)....Then gave a finale of Supes-Brainiac going at it all around the earth. (not unlike the JJ-Abrams beginning to his Superman film)

Mow it down to around 2 hrs. It's all gravy. Jason has to be involved though....maybe have Brainiac hold him for ransom. (It's a cheap plot device, but we'd get a pissed off Supes not holding back in a fight)

Maybe 'fusing' is the wrong word but Brainiac possessing Lex in the final act would be badass. Spacey in the White Kryptonian uniform that Jor-El wore with crystal colored glowing eyes...

Brainiac is the easiest to adapt into Bryan's universe. An artificial alien intelligence.

Singer and the others have gone on record to say the villian for this film WILL be an alien and Brandon said "everyone wants Brainiac"... hmm

[Darth Elektra]

I do want to see Metallo flying through a building, collapsing the thing Vegas-style though (2 fights, first and second act)....Then gave a finale of Supes-Brainiac going at it all around the earth.

:up: :up:

[Justice Bringer]

The only reason I'm against Metallo is Kryptonite again used as Superman's weakness.

Its too soon to do that again.

I'd rather Superman trade major blows with Doomsday as the action villian while Brainiac is the evil mastermind.

[matrix_ghost]

And please for the love of god , get the pacing in this movie right.
I , like all others , would be very happy to see some badass superhero action with cityblocks being leveled , but to wait for 40 min. for an action sequence it just too much.
Especially since it's the kid , supes , lois and richard will be featured prominently.

TF ( he he :oldrazz: ) had some great pacing with little action scenes constantly put in the movie and of course the grand finale.
It builds and builds. Heck even X2 , which i find overrated nowadays , is a good example of proper pacing.

[Dark_Lord]

or you could have Brainiac and Zod...I know many people dont want Zod but I would.
I dont see Doomsday beeing in the sequel...Metallo has a kryptonite heart but he's strong and he can fight Superman without using it. He would use it for sure at some point in the movie, when he probably felt he was gonna loose but they could use Metallo.

Zod cant use kryptonite, he's just as strong as Superman and I think he's a great villain.

EDIT: and he wouldnt be the same Zod from S2. He wouldnt even have Non and Ursa with him...They could redesign Zod.

[matrix_ghost]

The only reason I'm against Metallo is Kryptonite again used as Superman's weakness.

Its too soon to do that again.

I'd rather Superman trade major blows with Doomsday as the action villian while Brainiac is the evil mastermind.

:up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

[Justice Bringer]

or you could have Brainiac and Zod...I know many people dont want Zod but I would.
I dont see Doomsday beeing in the sequel...Metallo has a kryptonite heart but he's strong and he can fight Superman without using it. He would use it for sure at some point in the movie, when he probably felt he was gonna loose but they could use Metallo.

Zod cant use kryptonite, he's just as strong as Superman and I think he's a great villain.

EDIT: and he wouldnt be the same Zod from S2. He wouldnt even have Non and Ursa with him...They could redesign Zod.

Zod would be too confusing and convoluted.

Singer doesnt want to directly reference events from Superman II. He seemed like he was on the fence about using it for his history.

Only the events of Superman I seemed to happen for SR's origin and were referenced in the film.

The prequel comics ignore Superman II as well.

[Justice Bringer]

:up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

Since fanboys are already getting the Superman Doomsday DVD; I wana see Superman kicking Doomsday's butt on the bigscreen but not the whole depressing Death arc (Supermans been through enough already).

This is the best way. Hes an awesome action villian to complement Brainiac and he may gain some popularity after the Superman Doomsday DVD with audiences.

http://photos-020.ak.facebook.com/ip002/v66/208/23/48909880/n48909880_32949020_7558.jpg

[matrix_ghost]

or you could have Brainiac and Zod...I know many people dont want Zod but I would.
I dont see Doomsday beeing in the sequel...Metallo has a kryptonite heart but he's strong and he can fight Superman without using it. He would use it for sure at some point in the movie, when he probably felt he was gonna loose but they could use Metallo.

Zod cant use kryptonite, he's just as strong as Superman and I think he's a great villain.

EDIT: and he wouldnt be the same Zod from S2. He wouldnt even have Non and Ursa with him...They could redesign Zod.

Using Zod would on hand be great since it would give Supes an true equal to fight with. Not to mention that you can incorporate Lois and the kid in Zo'd storyline ( the kid obviously being half kryptonian & Zod knowing who Lois is).
But
1) you get haters jumping all over with Singer love for teh Donnerverse
2) They were reports that they didn't want to use Zod :
http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5331
No Zod in Superman Returns Sequel?
Source: Empire Online March 13, 2007


Speaking to Empire Online, Superman Returns stars Brandon Routh said the sequel will definitely up the action:

"It's going to be a lot more in that genre. In the first one, the obstacle was Superman's love for Lois and his son, and Luthor using that against him. I just know that in the next film there will be a lot of action and I'm gonna get to fight something, or someone. An enemy with real physical power might be worked in there, definitely.

[Dark_Lord]

The fact that the events of S2 didnt happen makes it easier for them to redesign Zod and team him up with Brainiac. They dont have to make it as if he has fought Superman before.

Anyway...I'd like either Brainiac and Zod, or Brainiac and Metallo.

[Dark_Lord]

Using Zod would on hand be great since it would give Supes an true equal to fight with. Not to mention that you can incorporate Lois and the kid in Zo'd storyline ( the kid obviously being half kryptonian & Zod knowing who Lois is).
But
1) you get haters jumping all over with Singer love for teh Donnerverse
2) They were reports that they didn't want to use Zod :
http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5331

I know...

Maybe they could use another Kryptonian villain and have, him team-up with Brainiac.

[matrix_ghost]

Since fanboys are already getting the Superman Doomsday DVD; I wana see Superman kicking Doomsday's butt on the bigscreen but not the whole depressing Death arc (Supermans been through enough already).

This is the best way. Hes an awesome action villian to complement Brainiac and he may gain some popularity after the Superman Doomsday DVD with audiences.

Unlike some people , i really want to see Supes duking it out with Doomsday. You're right though about him being dying.
But at the same i don't want to have Doomsday being reduced to something that Superman can win in a fight. IMO he should be a being that will always be a real death challenge for Superman.
The combo of Doomsday fighting Superman and Brainiac either being the master behind it all over or just taking over earth because Doomsday is taking care of Supes is something i really want to see :woot:

[Justice Bringer]

Yeah, Zod aint happening so the later is most likely something you'd want to hope for.

It would be too confusing. Singer doesnt address Superman II mainly because he doesnt want to confirm or deny Superman II happened.

I dont think he'll directly reference it or use any elements from it.

[buggs0268]

If they use Zod just call it Superman 2 redux.

[Justice Bringer]

Unlike some people , i really want to see Supes duking it out with Doomsday. You're right though about him being dying.
But at the same i don't want to have Doomsday being reduced to something that Superman can win in a fight. IMO he should be a being that will always be a real death challenge for Superman.
The combo of Doomsday fighting Superman and Brainiac either being the master behind it all over or just taking over earth because Doomsday is taking care of Supes is something i really want to see :woot:

Obviously Doomsday would be a physical challenge. For Superman to kill Doomsday; I had him ramming Doomsday right into NK as Brainiac sent it towards Earth after an insane battle.

But yes; Superman should triumph over Doomsday, thats the positive image of Superman audiences need to see. A creature associated for killing Superman historically getting surprisingly pwned in the end (since some audiences would expect Doomsday to kill Supes); its a great reversal.

[Dark_Lord]

I know Zod wont be the villain but how would it be Superman 2 redux if he was? It doesnt have to be the same Zod from Superman 2 with Non and Ursa.
It isnt mentioned in SR that Superman fought Zod so they could make it as if Zod hasnt appeared before. He could look different and he could team with Brainiac. Even his backstory and motives could be different..

Anyway...forget Zod. How about...Lord Nor? :oldrazz: :woot:

[batman44]

I one those who could go either way with a reboot or sequel, but hearing this news makes me excited. Curious as to who will be the villians and how the Superman, Lois, Jason, and Richard relationship evolves.

[Justice Bringer]

Brainiac already covers the Kryptonian villian element. Its more than likely this Brainiac will be tied to Krypton.

Singer publically said the sequel would involve Kal-El's Kryptonian heritage and being an orphan of that world.

[matrix_ghost]

Obviously Doomsday would be a physical challenge. For Superman to kill Doomsday; I had him ramming Doomsday right into NK as Brainiac sent it towards Earth after an insane battle.

But yes; Superman should triumph over Doomsday, thats the positive image of Superman audiences need to see. A creature associated for killing Superman historically getting surprisingly pwned in the end (since some audiences would expect Doomsday to kill Supes); its a great reversal.

Not in a physical way IMO. I know Supes needs to win but i'd rather have that he wins thru different means other then physical power( like for example in the graphic novel , he put Doomsday in the teleporter and constantly sending him to another place).
The reason for this is that many people have the image that Superman is godlike. That no one can defeat him. SUre any villain will put up a good fight but if supes can kick every villain's ass it would be the exact criticism. Having supes literally battle for his life with Doomsday would show that superman can be defeated in a fight .

I hate it when comicbook villains are changed to such an extent that they aren't the same anymore :o

[matrix_ghost]

Brainiac already covers the Kryptonian villian element. Its more than likely this Brainiac will be tied to Krypton.

Singer publically said the sequel would involve Kal-El's Kryptonian heritage and being an orphan of that world.


GODDAMMIT !!!!!! :cmad: :cmad:
How the heck can you can you compare villains like Braniac , MEtallo , Doomsday with this emo crap

[Justice Bringer]

I one those who could go either way with a reboot or sequel, but hearing this news makes me excited. Curious as to who will be the villians and how the Superman, Lois, Jason, and Richard relationship evolves.

I have a feeling the love triangle will be resolved in this one with Superman and Lois deciding where to go from here.

That tidbit Eva Marie Saint mentioned about Martha meeting Jason in the film makes me think Lois may learn Superman = Clark Kent in this.

[Justice Bringer]

Not in a physical way IMO. I know Supes needs to win but i'd rather have that he wins thru different means other then physical power( like for example in the graphic novel , he put Doomsday in the teleporter and constantly sending him to another place).
The reason for this is that many people have the image that Superman is godlike. That no one can defeat him. SUre any villain will put up a good fight but if supes can kick every villain's ass it would be the exact criticism. Having supes literally battle for his life with Doomsday would show that superman can be defeated in a fight .

SR already proved he could be defeated by 'mind over muscle'.....if it wasnt for Richard and Lois saving him; he wouldnt have survived.

Though a mix of strategic planning and physical force to kill Doomsday is the smartest way to do it.

[Justice Bringer]

GODDAMMIT !!!!!! :cmad: :cmad:
How the heck can you can you compare villains like Braniac , MEtallo , Doomsday with this emo crap

His feelings about Krypton would be the perfect lure for Brainiac to use to manipulate him; just like in STAS.

[matrix_ghost]

SR already proved he could be defeated by 'mind over muscle'.....if it wasnt for Richard and Lois saving him; he wouldnt have survived.

Though a mix of strategic planning and physical force to kill Doomsday is the smartest way to do it.

Yeah but that's Kryptonite. Everybody knows that Kryptonite kills/weakens supes. Another criticism of Superman aside from his godlike status.
Doomsday was something new in that Supes was fighting full power with him. No crappy kryptonite .

Just have him fight Doomsday and dispose of him thru another way other then physical force IMO.

[matrix_ghost]

His feelings about Krypton would be the perfect lure for Brainiac to use to manipulate him; just like in STAS..

True but i think he's already made up his mind that earth is his home. Especially now that he knows that jason is his son. But hey if Brainiac can mindcontrol supes , it could happen.

Still think the whole orphan thing is waayy too emo for me

[Justice Bringer]

Yeah but that's Kryptonite. Everybody knows that Kryptonite kills/weakens supes. Another criticism of Superman aside from his godlike status.
Doomsday was something new in that Supes was fighting full power with him. No crappy kryptonite .

Just have him fight Doomsday and dispose of him thru another way other then physical force IMO.

Supes could kick Doomsday's ass right into the Phantom Zone perhaps; that way Doomsday could be locked away without Supes killing him.

[Justice Bringer]

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True but i think he's already made up his mind that earth is his home. Especially now that he knows that jason is his son. But hey if Brainiac can mindcontrol supes , it could happen.

Still think the whole orphan thing is waayy too emo for me

I dont like mindcontrol; thats weak.

He has made up his mind that the Earth is his home but he should be pretty upset about losing Jor-El and the Fortress [his connection to his heritage] thanks to Luthor.....perhaps thats how Brainiac comes into play.

[matrix_ghost]

Supes could kick Doomsday's ass right into the Phantom Zone perhaps; that was Doomsday could be locked away without Supes killing him.


The perfect solution :woot:
And in doing that he frees Zod and Ursa .Donnerverse here we come :oldrazz: .

[Justice Bringer]

Doomsday being genetically engineered by Brainiac himself would be the perfect way to explain Doomsday's creation here too (instead of Cadmus; since humans shouldnt have the tech to do it in this realistic universe).

[matrix_ghost]

Has there ever been been a moment in the comics where Brainiac and Superman had to team up to fight an enemy :huh:
I know that in one of the graphic novels Superman had to fight Doomsday who's mind was controlled by Braniac.

Since the world of Superman movies isn't expanded enough for Cadmus or for that matter to show the history of Doomsday's creation on Kyrption , it wouldn't be so bad to have Brainiac create Doomsday only for Doomsday to break away from his control and wreaking havoc on earth.

Kinda like how in POTC you had Davey Jones ordering the Kraken to destroy all ships. What if you had Doomsday come to planets to destroy them and then Branianc arrives to use the planets for his purpose. You'd have Supes fighting for his life against Doomsday in the beginning then either they would fight to a standstill with Brainiac arriving and then conquering earth.

[dark_b]

this is obviously psitive news.
now i am not saying that now it is 100% confirmed. but even the ones who dont want a sequel must admit that this is positive news for a sequel.

i mean lets be realistic here.

[matrix_ghost]

this is obviously psitive news.
now i am not saying that now it is 100% confirmed. but even the ones who dont want a sequel must admit that this is positive news for a sequel.

i mean lets be realistic here.

Definately not confirmed. Just the Singer is moving forward with Spacey saying he'll be playing the role again.
The confirmation will come once WB approves of the script :cwink:

[Ita-KalEl]

Singer is preparing the project for the WB.
At the end of the summer he will meet Horn: "Mr. Horn, this is the script, and these are the names of actors for the sequel. We are sure to make this movie for less than 175m".
If Horn likes it, the sequel will happen.

[Superman-Prime]

Brainiac would be a good choice for the sequel.

Doomsday? Too early for me. Personally, I prefer they make JLA before they make Superman VS Doomsday live-action. I guess that'd be work.

[Seen]

Fantastic news. Lookin' forward to this one.

[matrix_ghost]

Singer is preparing the project for the WB.
At the end of the summer he will meet Horn: "Mr. Horn, this is the script, and these are the names of actors for the sequel. We are sure to make this movie for less than 175m".
If Horn likes it, the sequel will happen.

It rarely happens that someone can guarentee that he can make a movie for X amount of dollars. The budget always increases
While i would believe that SInger and co. would deliver a script and get their 175 mil for the sequel , i doubt he would be able to make the sequel with that money. According to Singer SR was originally greenlit at 180 million and afterwards the budget grew towards 209 million ( ish) because certain sequences was inserted.

I honestly think the samr thing will happen here.

[Motown Marvel]

anyone who thinks singer and WB arent aware of the criticisms, are ignorant. they've heard them, its impossible they havent. i think they will very much be assessed and taken into consideration when making this film. thats not to say every single quibble you guys had with the first film will be resolved in the sequel....but, they know. changes will be made. and they'll react to criticisms how they see fit.

[Seen]

anyone who thinks singer and WB arent aware of the criticisms, are ignorant. they've heard them, its impossible they havent. i think they will very much be assessed and taken into consideration when making this film. thats not to say every single quibble you guys had with the first film will be resolved in the sequel....but, they know. changes will be made. and they'll react to criticisms how they see fit.

Finally. Some reason.

[Moviefan2k4]

Well, I must say that Spacey did make a good Lex, but if Bryan Singer wants him in the film, then please pick something else besides a real-estate obsession. I do like the idea of Brainiac, but only if they do it right. I personally loved James Marsters' portrayal on Smallville; it'd be interesting to see where the character could go in a feature film.

[Wolfman]

Oh goody. I can't wait for them to tell how THIS TIME Lex is going to be much more sinister and evil. The realestate agent from hell. Uuuuuuuhhh...

[Riddick2009]

Lex Luthor again, how original. Singerman returns sucks and it looks like we are getting another Lex Luthor. With less budget I can't expect us getting a movie with real super villians. Singer strikes again.

[Mentok]

Lex Luthor again, how original. Singerman returns sucks and it looks like we are getting another Lex Luthor. With less budget I can't expect us getting a movie with real super villians. Singer strikes again.

We have know for a while now that Singer has 2 "Super Villians" in mind for the new film. You honestly think that because Luthor will be in this film that he is doing the same things all over again?

Seriously, the rampart stupidity in this thread is just annoying.

As for all the "Oh noes! Singer cant learn from his mistakes!" comments... Go watch X-Men 2 and listen to the commentry you fools.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

AWESOME NEWS, I loved Spacey as Lex and i'm glad he's returning, him combining with a super-villain like Brainiac or The Eradicator will be awesome.

Plus, i think Lex will be even more bitter towards Superman now than he was in SR, meaning more Lex of the 3rd act, when he was truly brutal and sinister.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

We have know for a while now that Singer has 2 "Super Villians" in mind for the new film. You honestly think that because Luthor will be in this film that he is doing the same things all over again?

Seriously, the rampart stupidity in this thread is just annoying.

As for all the "Oh noes! Singer cant learn from his mistakes!" comments... Go watch X-Men 2 and listen to the commentry you fools.

WELL SAID Mentok.

[El Payaso]

Plus, i think Lex will be even more bitter towards Superman now than he was in SR, meaning more Lex of the 3rd act, when he was truly brutal and sinister.

Nobody leaves Luthor in a pork chop shapend island just like that!!!

[echostation]

This can be done really well if Singer ups his game for the sequel like he did on X-2. So long as he hires better effects people, a better action director and doesn't waste a lot of money on left out sequences and makes this a tightly focused action packed fun adventure then I think we'll have a winner. As much as I shred superman returns to ****, it's mainly because while I am a Singer fan, he should've been capable of a lot better stuff than what he filmed on SR. So I'm optimistic on this... if they can have 2 or even 3 villains for Superman to really tangle with then I think it can work.

My only real worry is how he is goign to film expensive big action scenes and fights while his budget is being cut by 10s of millions.

[Showtime]

News is bouncing back and forth from each side of the fence here. Can they make a sequel for 175million with a supervillian and great effects. They sure can, see Transformers & 300. So this budget mandate is no big deal. Singer will not be allowed to go over budget on this one and with a supervillian you would think you would reach over 200million easily, depending on how much the views on Returns effects a sequel.

I am suprised that Singer is in NY at this point pitching MOS when I assumed he was filming Valkyerie across the globe. That could be a good sign or a sign of desperation. I for one am glad that Mike is working on the script, I enjoyed the flow of the script better than the flow of the movie itself.