View Full Version : John Lennon or Paul McCartney?
The Batman
06-22-2007, 08:19 PM
Which Beatle is/more talented?
Tangled Web
06-22-2007, 08:48 PM
Paul McCartney IS more talented.
Telekinetic
06-22-2007, 08:54 PM
So im a young'en so ive only heard one song by john lennon which
i like i think its called give peace a chance?
anywhoo
i like that song so my vote goes to john lennon.
The Dude
06-22-2007, 08:55 PM
I got to go with Lennon, the thinking man's Beatle.
Rorschach II
06-22-2007, 08:59 PM
You kidding?
The one that didn't write Silly Love Songs.
Catman
06-22-2007, 09:00 PM
Paul. He wrote the best Beatle songs: Yesterday, Hey Jude, Let it Be, etc. He did some pretty cool songs with Wings. Live and Let Die, anyone? And, his solo career has been alright. That new song of his, "Dance Tonight" is great.
Tangled Web
06-22-2007, 09:11 PM
Ok seriously now, if we're talking about talent it's definitley Paul. Technically he's very good; he taught John how to play.
Better personality? John.
I don't know who to vote for, as I love them both.
Memphis Slim
06-22-2007, 09:23 PM
Paul had mega success beyong The Beatles.........
Wings was huge.....I loved that Group!!
Not to mention his duets with Michael Jackson.
Paul showed he was more versatile.
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ThePenguin
06-22-2007, 09:24 PM
Other, George was always my favorite.
All Things Must Pass is the best Beatles solo album to date.
Catman
06-22-2007, 09:26 PM
Not to mention his duets with Michael Jackson
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Tangled Web
06-22-2007, 09:28 PM
Ok I decided to go with John for his contributions outside of the music world.
Memphis Slim
06-22-2007, 09:31 PM
I think anyone who is famous and gets assassinated or dies young in some tragic way, always gets propped up higher than they really were.
Marilyn monroe
James Dean
Kennnedy
Lennon
Malcolm X
These people were significant. But I think their deaths made them even more legendary. Face it...Monroe was not that great an actress.
Dean was ok. He just brooded a lot.
Cuban Missle Crisis was his big moment. But he had the Bay of Pigs. Johnson was the real civil rights hero.
Malcolm. All he did was scare white people. MLK was the one who really got us the legislation we needed.
Lennon....made some good stuff after the Beatles. But Yoko pulled him down and he kept sounding too Beatle-ish.
donk70
06-22-2007, 09:32 PM
Trying to decide which of the two is more talented is like trying to decide what is the greatest song ever written.
I'm a huge Beatle fan and I think neither would have been a success initially without the other, or Ringo or George.
The four of them coming together to make music was a happen chance. None were exceptionally virtuoso at their instrument (all though Paul did help define the electric bass), but put all 4 together and something wonderful happened. Something that we will not likely ever see again in our lifetime. Call it magical, special, or cosmic, or whatever you want.
Tangled Web
06-22-2007, 09:36 PM
I think anyone who is famous and gets assassinated or dies young in some tragic way, always gets propped up higher than they really were.
Marilyn monroe
James Dean
Kennnedy
Lennon
Malcolm X
These people were significant. But I think their deaths made them even more legendary. Face it...Monroe was not that great an actress.
Dean was ok. He just brooded a lot.
Cuban Missle Crisis was his big moment. But he had the Bay of Pigs. Johnson was the real civil rights hero.
Malcolm. All he did was scare white people. MLK was the one who really got us the legislation we needed.
Lennon....made some good stuff after the Beatles. But Yoko pulled him down and he kept sounding too Beatle-ish.
Monroe was very signifigant. Sex symbol, Playboy, all that.
Johnson just took it from where Kennedy left off when it came to domestic policy.
Martin Luther King was also assasinated. Though I do agree with you that X was overrated.
And I agree with you on Dean to an extent.
Lennon sounded too Beatle-ish? How much Lennon stuff have you heard?
Catman
06-22-2007, 09:41 PM
Lennon sounded too Beatle-ish? How much Lennon stuff have you heard?
Didn't he only do like one album after the Beatles broke up? And the best song was a never recorded Beatles song.
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Warhammer
06-22-2007, 09:43 PM
Paul, most definitely. :up:
Catman
06-22-2007, 09:49 PM
Paul, most definitely. :up:
Paul is so great that he can make stupid songs great!
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Memphis Slim
06-22-2007, 09:56 PM
Monroe was very signifigant. Sex symbol, Playboy, all that.
But what real "value" to society or her craft is that? I think her early death the mystery around it, boosted her.
Johnson just took it from where Kennedy left off when it came to domestic policy.
John F Kennedy is not automatically associated with civil rights (http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/civil1.htm) issues as Kennedy's presidency is more famed for the Cuban Missile Crisis (http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/cuba.htm) and issues surrounding the Cold (http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/coldwar.htm)War (http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/coldwar.htm). Also, no obvious civil rights legislation was signed by Kennedy. However, Kennedy did have a major input into civil rights history - though posthumously. Kennedy put political realism before any form of beliefs when he voted against Eisenhower’s 1957 Civil Rights Act (http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/1957_civil_rights_act.htm). The route from bill to act (http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/1957_civil_rights_act.htm) nearly served to tear apart the Republicans and the Democrats were almost united to a politician in their opposition to the bill/act. Kennedy had aspirations to be the Democrats next presidential candidate in the 1960 election. If he was seen to be taking the party line and demonstrating strong leadership with regards to opposing the bill, this would do his chances no harm whatsoever. This proved to be the case and Kennedy lead the Democrats to victory over Richard Nixon in 1960.
Regardless of his promises, in 1961 Kennedy did nothing to help and push forward the civil rights (http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/civil1.htm) issue. Why? International factors meant that the president could never focus attention on domestic issues in that year. He also knew that there was no great public support for such legislation. Opinion polls indicated that in 1960 and 1961, civil rights was at the bottom of the list when people were asked "what needs to be done in America to advance society ?" Kennedy was also concentrating his domestic attention on improving health care and helping the lowest wage earners. Civil rights issues would only cloud the issue and disrupt progress in these areas. Kennedy also argued that improving health care and wages for the poor would.
Martin Luther King was also assasinated. Though I do agree with you that X was overrated.
King was killed. But he actually did some things before that happened.
And I agree with you on Dean to an extent. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif
Lennon sounded too Beatle-ish? How much Lennon stuff have you heard?
Enough to know it sounded like the psychodelic Beatles.....not the earlier "Hard Days Night" stuff.
Tangled Web
06-22-2007, 09:56 PM
Paul is so great that he can make stupid songs great!
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That song's not stupid. It's juxtaposition at its best. Lennon's dancing rules though.
Tangled Web
06-22-2007, 09:59 PM
Enough to know it sounded like the psychodelic Beatles.....not the earlier "Hard Days Night" stuff.
Hardly.
Catman
06-22-2007, 10:08 PM
That song's not stupid.
It's a silly song but its awesome!
titan101
06-22-2007, 10:11 PM
they're both extemely talented , but if i had to choose one , i guess i'll pick john .
The Chairman
06-22-2007, 10:17 PM
As pointed out, Paul is more talented. His knack for melodies and hooks is second to none, his range of instruments is incredible, vocally he was lightyears ahead of the other three, and he is the most successful of the group. So I vote for him as the more talented one.
But John was easily a better songwriter lyrically and his songs definitely had more of an impact. It's irritating that people think his solo stuff was too Beatle-y.
The Chairman
06-22-2007, 10:20 PM
Enough to know it sounded like the psychodelic Beatles.....not the earlier "Hard Days Night" stuff.
Haha, no.
"Imagine", "Instant Karma", "# 9 Dream", "Mother", "Whatever Gets You Through The Night", "Nobody Told Me", "Nobody Loves You When You're Down And Out", "Borrowed Time", "Bless You" and all the othe great Lennon solo cuts are as far removed from any period of The Beatles' career as you can get.
Captain_Death
06-22-2007, 10:23 PM
Both.
The Chairman
06-22-2007, 10:24 PM
You kidding?
The one that didn't write Silly Love Songs.
:whatever:
People still miss the point of that song. It's meant to be satircal. Critics were criticizing Paul ever since "My Love" that all he composed were silly love songs that would go nowhere, but Paul became the second most successful artist of the decade (behind Elton John) with them. So Paul wrote the song as a big, lighthearted "**** you" to his critics. It may not be as biting as John's more blunt songs, but it works well.
Oh, and for anyone who thinks Paul was all "Silly Love Songs" and such, check out the song "Too Many People" from Ram. Paul chews out John to no end, and it's awesome.
Catman
06-22-2007, 10:30 PM
:whatever:
People still miss the point of that song. It's meant to be satircal. Critics were criticizing Paul ever since "My Love" that all he composed were silly love songs that would go nowhere, but Paul became the second most successful artist of the decade (behind Elton John) with them. So Paul wrote the song as a big, lighthearted "**** you" to his critics. It may not be as biting as John's more blunt songs, but it works well.
Oh, and for anyone who thinks Paul was all "Silly Love Songs" and such, check out the song "Too Many People" from Ram. Paul chews out John to no end, and it's awesome.
Don't forget Live & Let Die!
The Chairman
06-22-2007, 10:32 PM
Don't forget Live & Let Die!
How can I?
That song's great live. The fireworks display is unreal.
Paul's best rocker is "Jet", though.
Catman
06-22-2007, 10:36 PM
How can I?
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The Chairman
06-22-2007, 10:45 PM
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The best version:
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Catman
06-22-2007, 10:48 PM
The best version:
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That is pretty cool. :yay:
AhabTheArab
06-22-2007, 10:50 PM
lennon
period
The Chairman
06-22-2007, 10:52 PM
That is pretty cool. :yay:
True. One thing I give Paul credit for is that he was and still is an amazing live performer. He was the only Beatle to enjoy it.
Henry Hill
06-22-2007, 11:02 PM
Lennon for me. Plastic Ono Band is a masterpiece.
unstoppable
06-22-2007, 11:14 PM
Ringo
Kmack
06-22-2007, 11:30 PM
Last year I voted Lennon, so Paul gets my vote this time:o
Catman
06-22-2007, 11:35 PM
Ringo
Marge Simpson...is that you?
Tangled Web
06-22-2007, 11:38 PM
Lennon for me. Plastic Ono Band is a masterpiece.
Yeah they were pretty solid.
Dwarf lord
06-22-2007, 11:40 PM
I have to pick Paul. I feel Paul was the more musically talented and I'm a musician. On the other hand, John easily was the more insightful and better lyric writer (he'd have been nothing melody-wise if he never worked with Paul). In a sense, they were both two equal parts of an amazing duo. John had the ideas and Paul had the musical background. They both gained a lot from each other that built their careers. If they had not met each other, they would not have made it big.
Tangled Web
06-22-2007, 11:47 PM
That's what makes this so difficult. The two of them were best as one.
The Chairman
06-22-2007, 11:49 PM
That's what makes this so difficult. The two of them were best as one.
Exactly. The poll may as well have been multiple choice.
Kmack
06-22-2007, 11:49 PM
That's what makes this so difficult. The two of them were best as one.
I absolutely agree:up:
The Chairman
06-22-2007, 11:52 PM
Although, it's widely known that Lennon and McCartney actually directly collaborated on very few of the songs they wrote together.
StorminNorman
06-22-2007, 11:58 PM
Lennon's so great God made him a communist. He had to give him some sort of fatal flaw.
Paul McCartney is almost near his greatness - but Lennon owns my soul :(
Superman
06-23-2007, 12:09 AM
It's a three way tie between John, Paul and George for me so I'm not voting. :oldrazz:
Catman
06-23-2007, 12:14 AM
It's a three way tie between John, Paul and George for me so I'm not voting. :oldrazz:
Ringo hater! :cmad:
CrAzYMoFo
06-23-2007, 12:15 AM
McCartney wrote Hey Jude... enough said...
Rorschach II
06-23-2007, 12:16 AM
In my opinion as a musician, the most important thing in the art of music is your skill as a songwriter. You can name the best guitarist, bassist, drummer, and singer out there, put them together in one band, and they will never be bigger than The Beatles. IMO, John was the far better songwriter in everyway (not just lyrics).
Motown Marvel
06-23-2007, 01:04 AM
lennon, easily. thats not to knock paul...he's good at sugary pop tunes with fairly conventional music behind it, but he lacks substance. john was all about the substance and he was able to challenge music far more than paul ever did.
Rorschach II
06-23-2007, 03:56 AM
:whatever:
People still miss the point of that song. It's meant to be satircal. Critics were criticizing Paul ever since "My Love" that all he composed were silly love songs that would go nowhere, but Paul became the second most successful artist of the decade (behind Elton John) with them. So Paul wrote the song as a big, lighthearted "**** you" to his critics. It may not be as biting as John's more blunt songs, but it works well.
Oh, and for anyone who thinks Paul was all "Silly Love Songs" and such, check out the song "Too Many People" from Ram. Paul chews out John to no end, and it's awesome.
I'm not missing the point of anything. I've got everything the Beatles and John did that was officially released (and a lot that wasn't =D) and most of George and Paul's stuff from the 70s (including Ram). When I said Silly Love Songs, I was referring to both the song (which I don't hate but am not a fan of) and to the actual silly love songs that he would often write.
How Do You Sleep? rapes Too Many People, btw.
chamber-music
06-23-2007, 08:06 AM
All the beatles are awesome except Ringo. He was just along for the ride and wasn't even that good a drummer.
D Day
06-23-2007, 08:11 AM
All the beatles are awesome except Ringo. He was just along for the ride and wasn't even that good a drummer.
Excuse me? He was asked to join because he was a good drummer. Pete was kicked out.
How is this thread even a debate? John chose to drop out of music for a while to be a Dad and husband. Quite tragically when he was ready to come back the sicko killed him.
All four were equally talented in different areas. That's like compairing Michael Jordan, Joe Montana, Hank Arron, and Tiger Woods as best athelete.
darkseid26
06-23-2007, 08:39 AM
this was hard, i love boths music and i thank my father for introducing there music to me. so i went with paul cause i've heard more of his music and he was my favorite beatle.
The Chairman
06-23-2007, 10:19 AM
I'm not missing the point of anything. I've got everything the Beatles and John did that was officially released (and a lot that wasn't =D) and most of George and Paul's stuff from the 70s (including Ram). When I said Silly Love Songs, I was referring to both the song (which I don't hate but am not a fan of) and to the actual silly love songs that he would often write.
How Do You Sleep? rapes Too Many People, btw.
Well, now I got you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Also, Paul did write Helter Skelter, which is easily the heaviest and darkest recording in The Beatles' catalogue.
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Dwarf lord
06-23-2007, 11:28 AM
Although, it's widely known that Lennon and McCartney actually directly collaborated on very few of the songs they wrote together.
Agreed, but they did get a lot from each other. Paul got a lot of good ideas lyrically from him and Lennon got a lot of good ideas melodically from Paul. But, I did go with Paul, because I know for me it's hard to write an solid melody when I write music for my band. That and Paul McCartney's last two albums along with Flaming Pie are some of the best post-Beatles solo albums out there. And his work with Wings was amazing. Though Lennon had some great tunes, I think Paul did the most with his post-Beatles career.
Catman
06-23-2007, 12:13 PM
Paul did write Helter Skelter, which is easily the heaviest and darkest recording in The Beatles' catalogue.
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And the granddaddy of heavy metal.
The Chairman
06-23-2007, 12:22 PM
Also, Paul's bass skills are severely underrated, and even John pointed that out in his famous 1980 Rolling Stone interview. The bass line on "Birthday" is notoriously difficult.
Memphis Slim
06-23-2007, 12:47 PM
True. One thing I give Paul credit for is that he was and still is an amazing live performer. He was the only Beatle to enjoy it.
I never hear Lennon's music played on oldies radio or soft rock stations where I live. It's always Paul's Wings stuff or his stuff with Jackson.
"Imagine" is the only cut
I keep hearing.
Bat Attack
06-23-2007, 12:50 PM
John Lennon, of course.
The Chairman
06-23-2007, 12:50 PM
I never hear Lennon's music played on oldies radio or soft rock stations where I live. It's always Paul's Wings stuff or his stuff with Jackson.
"Imagine" is the only cut
I keep hearing.
Oh, it is. Maybe not in your area, but in New York it's pretty predominant.
Rezzo
06-23-2007, 02:15 PM
John Lennon
Motown Marvel
06-23-2007, 05:56 PM
All the beatles are awesome except Ringo. He was just along for the ride and wasn't even that good a drummer.
what? ringo was a fantastic drummer!
The Batman
06-23-2007, 06:00 PM
I hate when people act like ringo sucked just because he couldnt do a million things like the others....
As for whos better...while Paul is a LOT more versitile, and did more with his post beatles career....John Lennon is simply the man...
unstoppable
06-23-2007, 06:02 PM
I hate when people act like ringo sucked just because he couldnt do a million things like the others....
As for whos better...while Paul is a LOT more versitile, and did more with his post beatles career....John Lennon is simply the man...Ringo has always ben my favortite
The Batman
06-23-2007, 06:10 PM
Ringo has always ben my favortite
Was he the least talented of them? Yes...but thats what happens when your bandmates can do a whole lotta ****. Ringo's highly respected as a drummer...
Memphis Slim
06-23-2007, 06:10 PM
They kept Ringo because he had the cool name. :woot:
Live & Let Die is a friggin' masterpiece!! That musical arrangement was far above anything Lennon ever put together.
The Violins, the woodwinds in the background.....the changes from frenetic to calm..........
Man.....it's a classic.
Lennon is a sentimental fav of most people because of his early death. I think that truly got him extra points. Paul was way more gifted.
This is like choosing between my own twins, or God and Jesus, or something. :huh:
I refuse. :mad:
Rorschach II
06-23-2007, 06:55 PM
Well, now I got you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Also, Paul did write Helter Skelter, which is easily the heaviest and darkest recording in The Beatles' catalogue.
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Heaviest? Maybe. Darkest? Definitely not.
unstoppable
06-23-2007, 07:00 PM
Was he the least talented of them? Yes...but thats what happens when your bandmates can do a whole lotta ****. Ringo's highly respected as a drummer...
he could've just been lazy
titan101
06-23-2007, 08:01 PM
Heaviest? Maybe. Darkest? Definitely not.
actually , if you think about it , the beatles don't really have any dark songs .... :dry:
Catman
06-23-2007, 09:11 PM
I hate when people act like ringo sucked just because he couldnt do a million things like the others....
Ringo married a Bond girl. Give the man some props!
Mr.Webs
06-23-2007, 10:29 PM
When it comes to musical talent, I think Paul would win hands down. He writes some amazing music, but when it comes to John, his lyrics are just better, more emotional. Don't get me wrong, Paul can write some pretty heavy things, but it doesn't reach Lennon.
But, because I am really digging his new album, I voted McCartney on this one. Ask me this question again in a few weeks and I might have a different answer.;)
Oh, and Ringo rules.:mad:
Motown Marvel
06-24-2007, 01:14 PM
Live & Let Die is a friggin' masterpiece!! That musical arrangement was far above anything Lennon ever put together.
The Violins, the woodwinds in the background.....the changes from frenetic to calm..........
Man.....it's a classic..
yeah, but then lennon can go write a song called working class hero, where its just him, his guitar, and his words and blow all of pauls production out of the water with its simplicity.
Memphis Slim
06-24-2007, 02:06 PM
yeah, but then lennon can go write a song called working class hero, where its just him, his guitar, and his words and blow all of pauls production out of the water with its simplicity.
Oh please.......it's just him. It takes real talent to bring others together.
The Chairman
06-24-2007, 05:10 PM
Oh please.......it's just him. It takes real talent to bring others together.
You're underestimating John. Now, in terms of talent, Paul wins in most cases (production skills, melodys, vocals), but Lennon's songs had far more emotion lyrically and had a social as well as musical impact. Not many artists can attest to that. Both Lennon and McCartney were equally great, but they did hold advantages over each other. Paul was the technical brains behind the group with his arrangement, melodic and instrumental skills, whereas John had a keen social knowledge that transferred into some amazing lyrical skills. What John lacked in his musical skills he made up with his attitude and lyrical abilities.
Put the two together, and I do feel guilty for choosing one over the other.
Darkly Dexter
06-24-2007, 05:59 PM
John Lennon
Tangled Web
06-24-2007, 07:52 PM
They kept Ringo because he had the cool name. :woot:
Richard?
Catman
06-24-2007, 07:52 PM
Paul was the technical brains behind the group with his arrangement, melodic and instrumental skills.
Him and the 5th Beatle, George Martin.
Tangled Web
06-24-2007, 07:58 PM
You're underestimating John. Now, in terms of talent, Paul wins in most cases (production skills, melodys, vocals), but Lennon's songs had far more emotion lyrically and had a social as well as musical impact. Not many artists can attest to that. Both Lennon and McCartney were equally great, but they did hold advantages over each other. Paul was the technical brains behind the group with his arrangement, melodic and instrumental skills, whereas John had a keen social knowledge that transferred into some amazing lyrical skills. What John lacked in his musical skills he made up with his attitude and lyrical abilities.
Put the two together, and I do feel guilty for choosing one over the other.
Pretty much sums it up.
And Catman is right George Martin was huge in the group's success. His contributions were great. Compare his work with The Beatles to Phil Spector's. They had to go back and fix it.
Even with "Love" Martin and McCartney were able to go back and do cool new things to the music. The Tommorow Never Knows/Within You Without You mix is exellent.
Rorschach II
06-24-2007, 08:00 PM
You're underestimating John. Now, in terms of talent, Paul wins in most cases (production skills, melodys, vocals), but Lennon's songs had far more emotion lyrically and had a social as well as musical impact. Not many artists can attest to that. Both Lennon and McCartney were equally great, but they did hold advantages over each other. Paul was the technical brains behind the group with his arrangement, melodic and instrumental skills, whereas John had a keen social knowledge that transferred into some amazing lyrical skills. What John lacked in his musical skills he made up with his attitude and lyrical abilities.
Put the two together, and I do feel guilty for choosing one over the other.
I much prefer Lennon as a singer, songwriter (lyrics, melodies, and chord progressions) and guitarist.
Tangled Web
06-24-2007, 08:00 PM
actually , if you think about it , the beatles don't really have any dark songs .... :dry:
A Day in the Life?
Rorschach II
06-24-2007, 08:01 PM
actually , if you think about it , the beatles don't really have any dark songs .... :dry:
There's one called Yer Blues that goes "yes I'm lonely, wanna die" and Happiness Is A Warm Gun is pretty dark if you know where all the phrases came from.
Tangled Web
06-24-2007, 08:08 PM
There's one called Yer Blues that goes "yes I'm lonely, wanna die" and Happiness Is A Warm Gun is pretty dark if you know where all the phrases came from.
Good ones.
To a lesser extent "Girl" is kind of dark. "Run for Your Life" maybe.
comicgirl
06-24-2007, 08:09 PM
Which Beatle is/more talented?both were excellent songwriters......mediocre musicians
Rorschach II
06-24-2007, 08:10 PM
Yes. Lyrics often dark, execution lightens mood. Girl, Run For Your Life, Norwegian Wood are some examples.
Day in the Life
06-24-2007, 08:12 PM
Lennon and Paul are like apples and oranges...both were extremely good at what they did. However, I'd give Lennon the nudge in terms of influence.
Rorschach II
06-24-2007, 08:14 PM
Lennon and Paul are like apples and oranges...both were extremely good at what they did. However, I'd give Lennon the nudge in terms of influence.
True. Majority of rock bands, especially British rock bands, cite him as influence most often. Britpop bands especially. Couldn't stop talking about him.
Tangled Web
06-24-2007, 08:15 PM
both were excellent songwriters......mediocre musicians
:whatever:
Mediocre is a bit harsh.
Rorschach II
06-24-2007, 08:19 PM
Not about how fast you play, but what you play.
George Harrison > Steve Vai.
The Chairman
06-24-2007, 08:22 PM
Good ones.
To a lesser extent "Girl" is kind of dark. "Run for Your Life" maybe.
How is "Girl" dark? Also, where do the "Happiness Is A Warm Gun" come from?
Rorschach II
06-24-2007, 08:27 PM
Girl is about a bad, bad Catholic school girl messin' with John's mind. Happiness Is A Warm Gun came from a gun magazine John saw that said: "Happiness is your finger on the trigger of a warm gun". John thought this was sick and twisted, as a gun is warm after being fired. Man with hobnail boots ripped from the headlines about sexual deviant. Other parts about heroin addiction.
Tangled Web
06-24-2007, 08:39 PM
How is "Girl" dark? Also, where do the "Happiness Is A Warm Gun" come from?
Seriously? The song isn't exactly "She Loves You". Give it another listen.
The title came from the cover of a gun magazine. Lennon wondered how someone can find this true because a warm gun means you just shot something.
"I think he showed me a cover of a magazine that said HAPPINESS IS A WARM GUN. It was a gun magazine, that's it: I read it, thought it was a fantastic, insane thing to say. A warm gun means you just shot something." - Lennon.
A lot of people think it is about injecting heroin. The "I need a fix line" gives a lot of people that impression.
Rorschach II
06-24-2007, 08:40 PM
A lot of people think it is about injecting heroin. The "I need a fix line" gives a lot of people that impression.
Because part of it is. Entire song is not about the gun magazine. Different parts about different things.
The Chairman
06-24-2007, 08:42 PM
Seriously? The song isn't exactly "She Loves You". Give it another listen.
The title came from the cover of a gun magazine. Lennon wondered how someone can find this true because a warm gun means you just shot something.
"I think he showed me a cover of a magazine that said HAPPINESS IS A WARM GUN. It was a gun magazine, that's it: I read it, thought it was a fantastic, insane thing to say. A warm gun means you just shot something." - Lennon.
A lot of people think it is about injecting heroin. The "I need a fix line" gives a lot of people that impression.
I shall.
The "Happiness Is A Warm Gun" thing takes on a bit of an eerie vibe considering Lennon's death. Same with "#9 Dream".
Tangled Web
06-24-2007, 09:17 PM
Because part of it is. Entire song is not about the gun magazine. Different parts about different things.
Hmm...I've never heard this before but it makes sense. Do you have a quote for this?
The Chairman
06-24-2007, 09:18 PM
While we're on the subject of John, am I the only one who thinks that the live version of "Come Together" from Live In New York City absolutely slaughters the original?
Rorschach II
06-24-2007, 09:26 PM
Hmm...I've never heard this before but it makes sense. Do you have a quote for this?
No.
Site I learned from is long gone. Will have to take my word for it.
Rorschach II
06-24-2007, 09:27 PM
While we're on the subject of John, am I the only one who thinks that the live version of "Come Together" from Live In New York City absolutely slaughters the original?
Come Together. My favorite Beatles song. Original recording completely flawless to me. Cannot be topped.
Motown Marvel
06-24-2007, 09:35 PM
i believe "happiness is a warm gun" also refers to "shooting your load" during sex. i believe they said something about that in the beatles anthology.
Oh please.......it's just him. It takes real talent to bring others together.
to bring together the talent paul did on live and let die, all it takes is money and the fact that he's paul f**king mccartney. and im not trying to dimish the song in the least, its a fantastic song. but to envoke the emotion and mood all while making a relevent statement, like john did on working class hero, with nothing but your voice and guitar takes some serious skill....more so than what paul displayed on live and let die.
Speedball
06-24-2007, 09:37 PM
I'm sorry, but there's always been something off putting by John Lennon for me.
Paul McCartney seems like the kind of guy I'd want to hang out with. John Lennon... not so much.
Tangled Web
06-24-2007, 10:38 PM
I'm sorry, but there's always been something off putting by John Lennon for me.
Paul McCartney seems like the kind of guy I'd want to hang out with. John Lennon... not so much.
Is it the cynicism?
Sucram
06-24-2007, 10:39 PM
John Lennon all the way!..
Speedball
06-24-2007, 10:41 PM
Is it the cynicism?
I think it's just the way he has been portrayed over the years as this guy who thought he was better than his friends and abandoned them for Yoko.
I like Paul's voice more anyway.
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