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Dark Donnie

02-24-2008, 05:27 PM

Gretzky's in the 2nd :o

E. Nygma

02-24-2008, 05:28 PM

Gretzky's in the 2nd :o

Is he? I dont remember

All i remember from that movie is how they took off the US National jerseys after the 2nd period and put on the Ducks jerseys for the 3rd. I'm pretty sure thats illegal! :funny:

TLH

02-24-2008, 06:03 PM

Calgary might be hanging on to Tanguay and trade him in the offseason. I don't think they want to decrease their chances at a championship/deep playoff run considering they're leading their division and are in the thick of everything.

I wonder if Richards will waive his NTC. Who would take his salary is beyond me.

Alex The Great

02-24-2008, 10:06 PM

Dark Donnie

02-24-2008, 10:08 PM

Mats Sundin has decided to not waive his No Trade Clause

Mats Sundin-C-Maple Leafs Feb. 24 - 10:20 pm et

Mats Sundin will not allow the Toronto Maple Leafs to trade him this season.

Sundin has consistently said all season that he would not waive his no-trade clause. He agreed to think it over for the team's sake, but ultimately his decision did not change. The Leafs are on the verge of missing the playoffs for a third consecutive season and they could have used the prospects that a Sundin trade would have gotten them. However, the Leafs were the ones that gave him the no-trade clause in the first place. They had to have known that Sundin might actually decide to exercise it if they ever did want to trade him.
Source: TSN.ca

NewYorkSpider

02-24-2008, 10:10 PM

Due to all the injuries to the Flyers, Paul Holmgren can create enough cap room(if they place Gagne and Hatcher on the injury list) to add Hossa.

Dark Donnie

02-24-2008, 10:11 PM

Due to all the injuries to the Flyers, Paul Holmgren can create enough cap room(if they place Gagne and Hatcher on the injury list) to add Hossa.

I really don't want to give up the talent necessary to get him.

NewYorkSpider

02-24-2008, 10:14 PM

I really don't want to give up the talent necessary to get him.

I don't want to do that either. The idea is going to be tossed around untill Tuesday.

Dark Donnie

02-24-2008, 10:39 PM

The talk is Knuble, Jason Smith, and Carter might all get moved.

Apparently the Flyers turned down a Jeff Carter for Phil Kessel trade from the Bruins

Shifty

02-24-2008, 11:27 PM

Ottowa and Montreal seem to be the front runners for trading for Marian Hossa.....pleeeeeeeeease have him come back to us!!!! I still have my ottowa Hossa jerzey :up:

but i think Montreal will get him. they have a some young prospects and stuff.
and i'm VERY impressed with how the habs are doing this year!

No thanks. Hossa is not worth it and Ottawa can't sign him anyway so it makes no sense to trade what Ottawa would have to give up to get him.

Due to all the injuries to the Flyers, Paul Holmgren can create enough cap room(if they place Gagne and Hatcher on the injury list) to add Hossa.

Flyers need to do something to stop falling down the standings.

Richards gives Lightning a list of teams
Darren Dreger
2/24/2008 5:20:20 PM
Sources say Tampa Bay Lightning forward Brad Richards has given management and ownership his list of the teams he would consider waiving his no-movement clause for.

It is believed a meeting will take place on Monday to determine what direction the team wants to take.

If the Lightning have a suitable package and move forward in an effort to trade him, Richards will ultimately have veto as to whether or not the deal is completed.

The team reached out to Richards and told him their interest in trading him.

It's believed the Vancouver Canucks, Dallas Stars and Columbus Blue Jackets are the most active in the hunt, although according to source.

Vancouver, Columbus and Dallas have all submitted offers for the Conn Smythe trophy winner.

Tampa Bay's incoming owner Oren Koules is said to be heavily involved.

Richards, who signed a five-year, $39 million contract in 2006, has 18 goals and 50 points in 61 games this season.

In 551 career NHL games, the 27-year-old centre has 150 goals and is the Lightning's career assists leader with 338. He had a career-high 91 points in 2005-06. Richards, considered one of the premier playmakers in the NHL, will earn $7.8 million in each of the next three seasons.

Well if he's out there he's the best player as he has the playoff history to gamble on (unlike Hossa) as he's won the Conn Smythe. Only problem is his salary.

Shifty

02-25-2008, 02:29 AM

Ovechkin Nets a Big Goal: Wooing a Russian Beauty

By Amy Argetsinger and Roxanne Roberts
Wednesday, February 20, 2008; Page C03

Who'd figure Alexander Ovechkin for the online dating type? But apparently they don't make 'em here like they do back home: The Capitals' strapping superstar met his new girlfriend, a Moscow college student, on the Internet.

There she was at Caps practice yesterday -- a 20-something named Katja, and described by one spy as "skinny, tan, blond, hot, Russian." Two weeks ago, she flew here for the first date, and they've been together ever since. Ovechkin, 22, declined to discuss the relationship -- but happily, Katja dished to a Russian newspaper.

According to her interview with SovSport, the two met online last fall after she clicked on his profile on Odnoklassniki, a Russian equivalent of Classmates.com or Facebook, on which they were linked by a mutual friend. Ovechkin saw that she had visited his profile and wrote to her -- but she refused to believe it was the real Ovechkin until he gave an interview to SovSport in which he said "hello to SPY," her online name.

"I still was cautious," she told the paper. "[He] used such beautiful words and spoke about such serious things! But he only saw my photos!" He won her over with phone calls, teddy bears, roses. "He'd send me a [text message] 10 minutes before the start of the game, and even in between during the breaks, [saying] 'Thinking of you' or 'Honey, I scored this goal in your honor.' "

Things have apparently been going swimmingly since she arrived in D.C. on Feb. 7: "Sasha is a very romantic person. . . . They say sports stars are arrogant, difficult people. Not Ovechkin! It's not how he was raised."

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7407/img1115nm4.jpg

How much of his $9 million (next year's salary) do you think he'll be spending on her?

Jerry!

02-25-2008, 02:57 AM

Anyone see the Bertuzzi and Lalime (Blackhawks goalie) fight? Pretty funny. Too bad the Hawks lost.

Dark Donnie

02-25-2008, 12:36 PM

Wings signed McCarty

Also there are rumours that Jokinen might get moved at the deadline.

Dark Donnie

02-25-2008, 03:24 PM

Tanguay's not moving:

Alex Tanguay-W-Flames Feb. 25 - 2:42 pm et

Alex Tanguay will not be traded this season.

GM Darryl Sutter left little room for speculation when he said on Monday, "I am not trading Tanguay." The winger has one-year left on his contract and a no-trade clause. Before Sutter's statement, it was rumored that Tanguay could be traded to Montreal for Michael Ryder. Tanguay has 14 goals and 35 assists in 62 games this season.
Source: TSN.ca
Related: Michael Ryder

Immortalfire

02-25-2008, 03:37 PM

How much of his $9 million (next year's salary) do you think he'll be spending on her?

All of it, she's probably some needy chick.

NewYorkSpider

02-25-2008, 03:45 PM

Forsberg went with the Avalanch. :down:

Dark Donnie

02-25-2008, 03:47 PM

I saw that....sucks

E. Nygma

02-25-2008, 04:33 PM

NewYorkSpider

02-25-2008, 04:35 PM

I hope the Avs miss the playoffs now.

E. Nygma

02-25-2008, 04:36 PM

me too!

screw you peter!

NewYorkSpider

02-25-2008, 04:39 PM

If we beat Buffalo tonight we get back to the 8th seed. :up: It's a MUST win game tonight.

Immortalfire

02-25-2008, 04:40 PM

I thought Forsberg said he wasn't coming back to the league :huh:

E. Nygma

02-25-2008, 04:41 PM

If we beat Buffalo tonight we get back to the 8th seed. :up: It's a MUST win game tonight.

There still close enough that it's not a MUST win. But i mean they really need to snap this losing streak, stay a float until they get healthy, and beat teams ahead of them in the playoff race. It's a shame in 3 weeks it's come to this.

Dark Donnie

02-25-2008, 04:47 PM

what the hell Peter?

I thought you said you're foot wasn't going to be in playing shape.

Or did you just say that to smokescreen the free falling Flyers and go to an Avalanche team that is probably going to MAKE the playoffs.

I hope the Avs miss the playoffs now.

I thought Forsberg said he wasn't coming back to the league :huh:

He did say that Immortal then he changed his story to "He's undecided."

A couple of analysts that have seen him skate of late, say he has a hitch in his step and still doesn't look healthy....so maybe this is for the better.

Immortalfire

02-25-2008, 04:54 PM

"I'm not going to coach Alabama." [/Saban]

"I'm not going to the NHL." [/Forsberg]

Johnny Blaze

02-25-2008, 04:58 PM

I hope the Avs miss the playoffs now.

I was hoping that before the Forsberg deal. Now I'm really hoping they screw the proverbial pooch. :o

Eric Draven

02-25-2008, 05:21 PM

Forsberg probably got a call from his old buddy Joe Sakic asking him to come back to the Avalanche one final time. Kind of like how Sakic managed to convince Ryan Smyth to sign with the team over the summer.

That being said, I bet you anything Forsberg makes zero to no impact on the Avalanche succeeding or not. Hell, I'll be surprised if he lasts the season injury-free.

Shifty

02-25-2008, 05:32 PM

Forsberg couldn't make up his mind last Monday, told all the GMs to move onto other players and it seems the Avs are desperate enough.

Dark Donnie

02-25-2008, 05:52 PM

...
Marian Hossa-W-Thrashers Feb. 25 - 6:47 pm et

The Montreal Canadiens are one of the frontrunners to acquire Marian Hossa.

If Hossa is traded to Montreal, he won't have to wait long to play against his old teammates. Montreal will play Atlanta after the trade deadline on Tuesday. "I'm prepared for both options - either I'll go or I'll stay," Hossa said. "It's interesting that we're playing in Montreal, but we'll see what happens. It's a hockey city. I've played in Canada and I know how the people are crazy about hockey, so it's an interesting place to play. But right now that's all I can say." Montreal GM Bob Gainey plans to either add an impact player or not make a trade at the deadline. San Jose, Boston, Ottawa, Anaheim, Detroit, Dallas, and the New York Rangers have also been mentioned as potential candidates to trade for Hossa.
Source: TSN.ca
Related: Ducks, Bruins, Canadiens, Senators, Sharks

Immortalfire

02-25-2008, 05:57 PM

If we part ways with Hoss, we'd better get somebody..or somebodies for him. I'd hate to see him go...bought his jersey this year :csad:

NewYorkSpider

02-25-2008, 07:09 PM

High scoring game so far for the Flyers/Sabres game. Sabres lead at the end of the first 3-2. Come on boys. :up:

Dark Donnie

02-25-2008, 07:12 PM

If we part ways with Hoss, we'd better get somebody..or somebodies for him. I'd hate to see him go...bought his jersey this year :csad:

You'll get some nice stuff from Montreal Possibles would be Ryder, possibly prospects and a 1st rounder

Flyers are not interested in Richards, but are interested in Boyle, Prospal, Comrie, and Satan

War Party

02-25-2008, 09:31 PM

Great win by the Flyers tonight. Hopefully now they can string some wins together and hopefully this will snap Briere out of his slump. And acquiring Vinny Prospal should help. Glad to have Vinny back,

Shifty

02-25-2008, 09:32 PM

Lightning, Boyle agree to 6-year pact

You can take Dan Boyle's name off the list of those who might be traded. The Tampa Bay Lightning have signed the defensemen to a six-year, $40 million dollar deal.

Dark Donnie

02-25-2008, 09:33 PM

Not a bad trade for the Flyers

War Party

02-25-2008, 09:35 PM

Not a bad trade for the Flyers

It's a great trade for the Flyers. Gave up Picard and a conditional pick. Holmgren continues to impress me.

Shifty

02-25-2008, 10:12 PM

It's a great trade for the Flyers. Gave up Picard and a conditional pick. Holmgren continues to impress me.

WTF is Feaster doing? Terrible trade for the Bolts and then a 6 year deal for Boyle? Hopefully there is no trade clause in the contract.

Eric Draven

02-25-2008, 11:03 PM

Prospal was basically a salary dump who's value was very low after his spates with coach Tortorella were made public, so yeah, I'm not surprised that's all they got for him.

Signing Boyle to such a huge contract though.....here's hoping they actually dump Richards' sizeable salary tomorrow or they're pretty hooped.

Dark Donnie

02-26-2008, 07:48 AM

It's a great trade for the Flyers. Gave up Picard and a conditional pick. Holmgren continues to impress me.

It's not great unless they can resign Prospal who is a UFA at the end of the season.

War Party

02-26-2008, 08:22 AM

It's not great unless they can resign Prospal who is a UFA at the end of the season.

When I say great, I mean for the short term. He ain't coming back next year.

Dark Donnie

02-26-2008, 09:22 AM

When I say great, I mean for the short term. He ain't coming back next year.

If he doesn't come back then I don't like the trade really, Picard was one of our better D Man prospects

Dark Donnie

02-26-2008, 10:27 AM

Brian Campbell just got traded to SJ

Brad Richards to Dallas

What in return to come...

Dark Donnie

02-26-2008, 11:16 AM

The Dallas Stars acquire Brad Richards

The Dallas Stars acquired Brad Richards and Johan Holmqvist from the Tampa Bay Lightning for Mike Smith, Jussi Jokinen, and Jeff Halpern.

Tampa Bay had to clear up Richards' $7.8 million per season salary after signing Dan Boyle to an extension on Monday. Richards scored 18 goals and 51 points in 62 games with the Lightning this season. Those numbers may seem like a step backwards for Richards, but he has spent most of the season playing with poor linemates. He could be very hot for the rest of the season if Dallas pairs him up with some better players. Feb. 26 - 11:53 am et
Source: TSN.ca

Also Huet to Wash for a 2nd:huh: Horrible trade for MTL

Campbell to SJ was fro Bernier and a 1st

Adam Foote traded back to Colorado for a 1st

Soundwave

02-26-2008, 12:38 PM

Picking up Richards was a great move by my Stars. He should fare a lot better paying in Dallas with better linemates. Stars were already among the league's top offensive teams before Richards got here and he will make them even better.

Eric Draven

02-26-2008, 12:38 PM

So when does Colorado announce that they have brought back Patrick Roy from retirement? :o

Soundwave

02-26-2008, 12:39 PM

Man it must suck to be a Sabres fan and losing all of their top talent over the past couple of years. You can't replace guys like Drury, Briere, and Campbell easily.

Soundwave

02-26-2008, 12:41 PM

So when does Colorado announce that they have brought back Patrick Roy from retirement? :o

They are currently in negotiations with Claude Lemieux and Ray Bourque. :cwink:

Dark Donnie

02-26-2008, 12:45 PM

Fedorov traded to Wash...sorry Fran

Dark Donnie

02-26-2008, 12:56 PM

Man it must suck to be a Sabres fan and losing all of their top talent over the past couple of years. You can't replace guys like Drury, Briere, and Campbell easily.

The guy they got in return Bernier is pretty good.

Immortalfire

02-26-2008, 12:59 PM

Also Huet to Wash for a 2nd:huh: Horrible trade for MTL

Bad move for the Habs.

Good move Stars for picking up Richards.

Shifty

02-26-2008, 01:00 PM

Man it must suck to be a Sabres fan and losing all of their top talent over the past couple of years. You can't replace guys like Drury, Briere, and Campbell easily.

That's because Buffalo didn't want to negotiate before or during the season with all three guys and of course their value goes up during the season. They almost lose Vanek and yet they still sat on their hands with Campbell.

Washington has made some good moves.

WTF Gainey? 2nd round pick?

Campbell went for a 1st and a young talent to SJ. McPhee must have been snickering as he faxed the trade to NHL head office.

Cooke to Capitals for Pettinger as well seems like the Caps won that trade.

Sens make a minot deal for Lapointe, 5th rounder to Chicago.

The bidding war for Hossa will go to the final second.

Dark Donnie

02-26-2008, 01:22 PM

CBJ get a 1st and a 4th for Foote from Colorado:o

Shifty

02-26-2008, 01:52 PM

CBJ get a 1st and a 4th for Foote from Colorado:o

:lmao:

Kolzig is a UFA, has gone to the Finals they at least could've picked him up for the rest of the season and hope Halak, Kolzig or Price delivers.

Dark Donnie

02-26-2008, 01:55 PM

I think the 4th was conditioned on wheter Foote signed which he just did.

Hossa is gonna come down to the wire, Pitts has jumped in.

Shifty

02-26-2008, 01:58 PM

Hossa to Penguins!

Dark Donnie

02-26-2008, 02:01 PM

I knew it, I feel bad for MTL Fans

Pitts Gets:
Hossa
Atl Gets:
Esposito
Christensen
Armstrong
1st Rounder

Great trade for both sides IMO if Hossa resigns

Malkin-Crosby-Hossa:csad:

Shifty

02-26-2008, 02:15 PM

I knew it, I feel bad for MTL Fans

Pitts Gets:
Hossa
Atl Gets:
Esposito
Christensen
Armstrong
1st Rounder

Great trade for both sides IMO

Pascal Dupuis is also going to Pens.

Great for Atlanta, not so great for Penguins. Its a big gamble and will only payoff if they win the Cup.

Shifty

02-26-2008, 02:17 PM

Apparently the Canucks are done. Ouch. No scoring.
Senators are done. Going for a small deal and hope things are sorted in the next 20 games.
Ducks are done.

Red Wings couldn't let a trade deadline pass without making one move. Brad Stuart from LA for a 2nd and 4th.

Dark Donnie

02-26-2008, 02:21 PM

Pascal Dupuis is also going to Pens.

Great for Atlanta, not so great for Penguins. Its a big gamble and will only payoff if they win the Cup.

I like Hossa, but doesn't he disappear in the playoffs?

Immortalfire

02-26-2008, 02:30 PM

Damn damn damn :csad: :csad:

Victor Creed

02-26-2008, 02:42 PM

I knew it, I feel bad for MTL Fans

Pitts Gets:
Hossa
Atl Gets:
Esposito
Christensen
Armstrong
1st Rounder

Great trade for both sides IMO if Hossa resigns

Malkin-Crosby-Hossa:csad:

The only way that the Pens come out on top in this deal is if they win the cup. Hossa will want more money than they will offer, otherwise they'll have half the cap invested between those three. Then they have to worry about keeping Fleury, Staal, etc.

Atlanta gets a few great young guys plus a pick in a deep draft. I'd say that the Pens have the edge on this one for the rest of the season, but after that, the Thrashers definitely have won.

Personally, I just can't wait to see how Richards does here in Dallas with the Stars.

Shifty

02-26-2008, 02:55 PM

Marcel Hossa was traded to Phoenix, TSN is quick to start the Marian Hossa to Coyotes in the summer rumour.

We've seen what has happened with the Tampa Bay model, it didn't work out. Penguins should avoid that at all costs. Ottawa was smart/lucky to sign Alfredson to a good deal that under pays him.

Shifty

02-26-2008, 03:01 PM

...

Shifty

02-26-2008, 03:04 PM

Damn damn damn :csad: :csad:

It could get worse. The Score was talking about Ilya Kovalchuk leaving when his contract is up in two years. They don't have Ovechkin money to throw at him and Ilya will be on his way to the Rangers if he's ever a UFA.

Waddell has to go if that team is to do well in the long run.

Dark Donnie

02-26-2008, 03:09 PM

The only way that the Pens come out on top in this deal is if they win the cup. Hossa will want more money than they will offer, otherwise they'll have half the cap invested between those three. Then they have to worry about keeping Fleury, Staal, etc.

Atlanta gets a few great young guys plus a pick in a deep draft. I'd say that the Pens have the edge on this one for the rest of the season, but after that, the Thrashers definitely have won.

Personally, I just can't wait to see how Richards does here in Dallas with the Stars.

It's essentially two 3rd liners, and Esposito who has been a bust, plus the 1st round pick will be a bottom 5....I would have taken what MTL offerered

Victor Creed

02-26-2008, 03:15 PM

It's essentially to 3rd liners, and Esposito who has been a bust, plsu the 1st round pick will be a bottom 5....I would have taken what MTL offerered

Yea, but Atlanta still wins it because those "3rd liners" are better than the nothing they would have gotten if Hossa left for free agency. I can almost guarantee that Gainey is going to try to get Hossa in free agency if he can, although Toronto will probably try as well, because Hossa will not be a Penguin.

Shifty

02-26-2008, 03:16 PM

TSN Trade Deadline Trades (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/trade_deadline/feature/?fid=11364)

One more trade Bochenski to the Ducks for future considerations. That's his 5th team (6 if you count being sent down to the minors) in 3 years after having an amazing pre-season in his first to stumbling once the season started.

Victor Creed

02-26-2008, 03:18 PM

You forgot that the Pitts/Atlanta deal that Atlanta gets a 1st rounder, and that TB gets Dallas's 4th Rounder in 2009.

Shifty

02-26-2008, 03:30 PM

You forgot that the Pitts/Atlanta deal that Atlanta gets a 1st rounder, and that TB gets Dallas's 4th Rounder in 2009.

I didn't Spector did.

Well the afterglow will fade off soon then its right into the final stretch as teams start clinching playoff spots. Great time of year.

Immortalfire

02-26-2008, 03:37 PM

Gees, a lot of business was conducted

Shifty

02-26-2008, 03:39 PM

Updated the post with a link to TSN which will update. 2 short of tying the record but they may have moved the most players.

Fran

02-26-2008, 03:40 PM

Damn, nothing for us.

Shifty

02-26-2008, 04:05 PM

Damn, nothing for us.

You picked up Brad Stuart.

But as just said on TSN the Ducks and Sens had zero moves on deadline day last year. That worked out.

Themanofbat

02-26-2008, 04:45 PM

Victor Creed

02-26-2008, 05:09 PM

My Flames didn't make any moves (I am surpised at them keeping Tanguay, seeing as he's been in Keenan's dog house for most of the season), but they've got a good team right now that can go far in the playoffs...

:csad:

They've had the same team for years now, and they'll keep sitting there doing nothing for years. I just think that Calgary needs a shakeup to get them going because they aren't a bad team, they just never seem to get anywhere, lol.

Alex The Great

02-26-2008, 06:14 PM

eh. i guess lapointe can hlp us. and wtf montreal? miss out on getting Hossa, trade HUit away....ugh.

LOL @ Toronto

Draft picks suuure will help ya when your in the bottom of the barrel THIS year :o:up:

i lol'd at them not been able to trade sundin away....

Dark Donnie

02-27-2008, 03:25 PM

...
The Ottawa Senators have fired their head coach John Paddock.

GM Bryan Murray will take over as the coach of the Senators. Murray had given Paddock a vote of confidence a week ago, and obviously that didn't last too long. Murray coached the team last season to the Stanley Cup final before becoming the new GM of the Senators during the off-season. With the trade deadline on Feb. 26, Murray could easily take over as coach without worrying about his GM duties.
Source: TSN.ca

Victor Creed

02-27-2008, 03:28 PM

So it sounds to me like the Sens will bring in a new coach each year and when the deadline is over, they'll dump him so Murray can step in again, lol.

Dark Donnie

02-27-2008, 07:27 PM

Steve Bernier is off to a quick start with Buffalo, two goals in the first

Immortalfire

02-27-2008, 08:11 PM

...

Wtf :huh:

Watson

02-27-2008, 10:51 PM

LOL @ Toronto

Draft picks suuure will help ya when your in the bottom of the barrel THIS year :o:up:

i lol'd at them not been able to trade sundin away....

The best thing for the Leafs is to get as many draft picks as they possibly can. There is no way they are making the playoffs this year. They need to refocus and rebuild. Time for a 5 year plan.

Sundin...ugh. He wouldn't waive his no trade clause, which IMO was a selfish stupid move. He could have gone and had a shot at winning a cup in what little time he has left as a decent player, and the leafs would have gotten a 1st round draft pick and a chance at grabbing Samakos (sp?).

Overall I think the leafs dropped the ball. Even with Sundin and McCabe not waiving thier no-trade clauses, they could have traded Antropov or another to get a first rounder. I can only hope they step it up a notch on draft day.

Victor Creed

02-27-2008, 11:16 PM

Sundin...ugh. He wouldn't waive his no trade clause, which IMO was a selfish stupid move. He could have gone and had a shot at winning a cup in what little time he has left as a decent player, and the leafs would have gotten a 1st round draft pick and a chance at grabbing Samakos (sp?).

Sundin earned the NTC a hell of a lot more than those other 4 bums who got em too. IMO, he earned the right to choose and he chose. If he'd rather win a cup with only Toronto, or not at all, that's his choice, but for anyone to vilify him for not waiving it is stupid.

It's Stamkos btw.

Dark Donnie

02-28-2008, 07:59 AM

Sundin earned the NTC a hell of a lot more than those other 4 bums who got em too. IMO, he earned the right to choose and he chose. If he'd rather win a cup with only Toronto, or not at all, that's his choice, but for anyone to vilify him for not waiving it is stupid.

It's Stamkos btw.

Kaberle is one of the best Defensemen in the league. Sundin is hurting The Leafs by not waiving the NTC....There is entirely to many NMC in the NHL.

Victor Creed

02-28-2008, 01:26 PM

Kaberle is one of the best Defensemen in the league. Sundin is hurting The Leafs by not waiving the NTC....There is entirely to many NMC in the NHL.

Kaberle is in the top 10 for sure, but Sundin has been the top player for that team consistently every single year. Sundin isn't hurting anyone by not waiving his NTC, the management is hurting the Leafs by offering them to anyone who has a decent season.

If there really are that many Leafs fans who have a problem with this, then maybe he should've played in a franchise that actually appreciated him.

Shifty

02-28-2008, 01:53 PM

Kaberle is in the top 10 for sure, but Sundin has been the top player for that team consistently every single year. Sundin isn't hurting anyone by not waiving his NTC, the management is hurting the Leafs by offering them to anyone who has a decent season.

If there really are that many Leafs fans who have a problem with this, then maybe he should've played in a franchise that actually appreciated him.

I think what pisses people is that ownership/management did a piss poor job handling the situation. Back when the "Fire Fergusson" or "Fergusson can't fire the coach" rumours started in November/December something should have been done. And then when Fletcher was hired they didn't seem to ask Sundin what do you want to do. Finally last week he comes out and says he doesn't believe in being a rental, won't waive at all. He should've said that a long time ago.
The other GMs will thankfully learn from this. I hate the Leafs and love that they couldn't unload 4 "top" players and have a damn good chance of making a good start at rebuilding. You have to respect Sundin but even if he doesn't believe in it I would say still do it for your team and sign back in the summer. You'll screw some team out of young talent/draft picks. Doug Weight did it, Fatboy did it last year to Thrashers, Rechhi did it etc.

Victor Creed

02-28-2008, 02:43 PM

I think what pisses people is that ownership/management did a piss poor job handling the situation. Back when the "Fire Fergusson" or "Fergusson can't fire the coach" rumours started in November/December something should have been done. And then when Fletcher was hired they didn't seem to ask Sundin what do you want to do. Finally last week he comes out and says he doesn't believe in being a rental, won't waive at all. He should've said that a long time ago.
The other GMs will thankfully learn from this. I hate the Leafs and love that they couldn't unload 4 "top" players and have a damn good chance of making a good start at rebuilding. You have to respect Sundin but even if he doesn't believe in it I would say still do it for your team and sign back in the summer. You'll screw some team out of young talent/draft picks. Doug Weight did it, Fatboy did it last year to Thrashers, Rechhi did it etc.

The difference between Sundin and Weight & Co. is that Sundin actually has class.

Shifty

02-28-2008, 03:50 PM

The difference between Sundin and Weight & Co. is that Sundin actually has class.

Difference between Weight and Sundin is Weight has a Stanley Cup ring.

NewYorkSpider

02-28-2008, 10:07 PM

Flyers beat the slumping Senators. We are in the 8th seed for now.

Alex The Great

02-28-2008, 10:15 PM

...
:up:

Paddock was :down

Murray fo life!

Victor Creed

02-28-2008, 10:18 PM

Hagman with a Hat Trick, and Richards gets a career high 5 ASSISTS!!!

Dallas beats Chicago 7-4, although Turco's ****ty play doesn't really show how good the Stars looked.

Shifty

02-29-2008, 12:41 AM

:up:

Paddock was :down

Murray fo life!

Well at least Ottawa scored a goal tonight....

It was a ownership move, Murray is a loyal guy and had worked with Paddock prior to his hiring. But Claude Jullien was fired with three games left and it didn't workout of the Devils and he's doing good in Boston. It won't take 10 years for Paddock to get another NHL head coaching job.

Watson

02-29-2008, 12:59 AM

Kaberle is one of the best Defensemen in the league. Sundin is hurting The Leafs by not waiving the NTC....There is entirely to many NMC in the NHL.

:up:

TLH

02-29-2008, 12:18 PM

Hagman with a Hat Trick, and Richards gets a career high 5 ASSISTS!!!

Dallas beats Chicago 7-4, although Turco's ****ty play doesn't really show how good the Stars looked.

Maybe they traded the wrong goalie? Smith's youth and cheaper contracts would've boded well for many years for them.

Victor Creed

02-29-2008, 02:01 PM

Maybe they traded the wrong goalie? Smith's youth and cheaper contracts would've boded well for many years for them.

They didn't trade the wrong goaltender, Marty just gets bored when he isn't facing much sustained pressure and then makes stupid decisions with the puck. Smith is a great goaltender, but Turco is a much better puckhandler and doesn't get flustered as easily. Tampa Bay is a much better place for Smith to develop into a #1 since he will have to learn to carry the team if he wants to get a win (such horrible defense on that team), lol.

TLH

02-29-2008, 04:30 PM

They didn't trade the young goaltender, Marty just gets bored when he isn't facing much sustained pressure and then makes stupid decisions with the puck. Smith is a great goaltender, but Turco is a much better puckhandler and doesn't get flustered as easily. Tampa Bay is a much better place for Smith to develop into a #1 since he will have to learn to carry the team if he wants to get a win (such horrible defense on that team), lol.

You do realize that Turco is 7 years older then Smith, right? Unless you meant "wrong". In that case, it's subjective. Smith has a longer future in the league, and Turco's contract would have made absorbing some of Richards' contract a bit easier.

Alex The Great

02-29-2008, 10:02 PM

nice preview for mister Hossa :o

Dear lord the HABS ARE ON FIRE!

TLH

02-29-2008, 10:21 PM

Ha, yeah. I don't wish injury on anyone but Hossa getting injured in his first game as a Pen after Pittsburgh gave up all they did for him was...well, funny. It's like a Black Comedy or something.

Alex The Great

02-29-2008, 10:52 PM

lol. oh why oh why are ma senators sucking?

oh i miss zdeno. :cry:

Victor Creed

02-29-2008, 11:14 PM

You do realize that Turco is 7 years older then Smith, right? Unless you meant "wrong". In that case, it's subjective. Smith has a longer future in the league, and Turco's contract would have made absorbing some of Richards' contract a bit easier.

Fixed. That's what I get while reading and typing a response at the same time, lol. It's not really subjective because Smith just isn't as good as Turco at this point, and you can't substantiate a claim that he is. He hasn't faced a long amount of playing time and shown how durable he is like Turco has. Now he very well may end up being better (or worse) than Turco, but we aren't speaking in the future.

Trading Turco for a scorer would've been a moot point since we'd have a harder time keeping the puck out of our own net, so the extra scoring punch with that would keep it on par with what is going on now. Plus, I'd rather have a veteran, who is locked up for a few years, than having to re-sign and possibly overpay Smith to keep him on the team.

I am going to follow TB now though as Halpern was always one of my favorites since he is a very classy guy, and I do believe Smith can be a #1, it just depends on how he can adapt and develop his game.

TLH

03-01-2008, 12:04 AM

Victor Creed

03-01-2008, 03:12 AM

I'm not doubting Turco at all. He annoys me when we (Calgary) have to play the Stars. Dallas and Calgary match up well for intense games, but it often depends on how Turco plays. I remember a game here in Calgary vs. the Stars when he must have stopped 4 or 5 SURE goals.

I assume you're a Stars fan? From Dallas, maybe? Anyway, yeah...Turco is a great player in the franchise and will no doubt be hanging in the rafters one day in Dallas (at least, I think so) whether or not he wins a cup with the Stars.

Yea, I'm a Stars fan, lived in Dallas for about 10 years now. I love my team, but I'm not blind to flaws, so I'm not really a homer or bandwagoner that you'd see from certain other cities, heh.

Aside from Turco getting lazy here and there, a problem has been some of our defensemen. Norstrom and Daley have been by far the two worst d-men on the team. Zubov and Niskanen have been tops so far, and now Boucher seems to be getting back into it after his injury. We've been using 3 of our AHL defensemen pretty much all season, and they all are NHL ready for sure.

I'm not sure about 35 hanging from the rafters unless he can get us a Cup or two before he retires, heh.

TLH

03-01-2008, 10:12 AM

Victor Creed

03-01-2008, 11:46 AM

Well, 204 career wins with a franchise...he'll easily get 300 I'd think. That's alone enough. But a Cup would clinch it I'd think.

But I think Dallas will surprise many in the postseason.

Norstrom/Daley I would gladly take over Eriksson/Warenner (of course those two aren't in our line up since we picked up Vanderemeer and Hale emerged as a solid sixth d-man).

Yea, I had love to see Daley or Norstrom benched during the end of the season once we get Zubov so we can roll:

Zubov-Niskanen (It's like having Zubov paired with himself)
Boucher-Fistric (Two solid guys with big shots and heavy hits)
Robidas-Grossman (Robidas is a quick one who will shoot and move in on the rush, Grossman will always man the point)

Those pairings have been awesome so far. I was kidding about Turco needing to bring us a Cup, but like you said there'd be no question if he did, lol. He pretty much has a monopoly on almost every record for a goaltender in the organization.

TLH

03-01-2008, 12:48 PM

Yup.

How many games has Boucher missed for you guys?

Victor Creed

03-01-2008, 01:07 PM

Yup.

How many games has Boucher missed for you guys?

Too many, lol.

If I am not mistaken, he has missed 38 games this season. Zubov has missed 22 so far. That makes 60+ games (since Zubie will miss more) without our top 2 D-men and Dallas is still the hottest team in the league.

It makes me feel good to know Anaheim couldn't manage to win anything without 2 of their top players, yet we keep rolling, lol.

Here's an interesting news story from today:
Stars fire longtime athletic trainer:
According to Stars co-GM Les Jackson, athletic trainer Dave Surprenant, the team’s longest tenured employee, was fired on Friday. Surprenant had been with the team for 20 years. Jackson declined to specify the reason for the firing. When reached by phone, Surprenant said he wanted to take the high road in his exit. "I was very privileged to work with the organization for 20 years, and I have a lot of friends and great memories that I made there," Surprenant said. "I look forward to finding new opportunities and I wish the best for the players and coaching staff. I just have nothing negative to say about the organization."
Assistant trainer Dave Zeis will take over..

Sounds like he messed up. Maybe it has to do with Zubov's injury or something. I wonder if Dave cleared him to play when he was still injured and made the injury worse or something because Zubov played injured and ended up needing surgery.

TLH

03-01-2008, 01:20 PM

Zubov has got to be the best defenseman to never have won a Norris.

Victor Creed

03-01-2008, 02:26 PM

Zubov has got to be the best defenseman to never have won a Norris.

Yea, he should've won it in 05-06 IMHO. Lidstrom had 9 more points, but wasn't nearly as valuable to his team as Zubov that season. Not to mention Detroit is a lot more offensively powered than the defensive system in Dallas, so for him to hit that here of all places was damn good. Zubov isn't a flashy player, is very humble, and plays for Dallas. Playing for Dallas he'd have to hit 90+ points to get the recognition he's deserved for years.

TLH

03-01-2008, 11:46 PM

Pretty much. But he's got the Hall of Fame in his future, so his day will come.

Phew, Flames won. :D

Victor Creed

03-02-2008, 12:29 AM

Pretty much. But he's got the Hall of Fame in his future, so his day will come.

Phew, Flames won. :D

Yea, we need Niskanen back nad. If we don't have either Niskanen or Zubov in the lineup our defense tends to be horrible most of the time, tonight as an example, lol. Not to mention Trashville had their D-men playing goal as well since Ellis didn't see the puck 9/10 time, lol.

But they still won, so whatever gets the job done I suppose.

Poeman

03-02-2008, 05:59 AM

it sucks to be a pens fan, thank god im not

TLH

03-02-2008, 11:07 AM

^Ditto.

Themanofbat

03-02-2008, 09:01 PM

After tomorrow, just one more week left in the season before the playoffs kick in...

God, I hope I make it...

:csad:

Dark Donnie

03-02-2008, 09:18 PM

After tomorrow, just one more week left in the season before the playoffs kick in...

God, I hope I make it...

:csad:

I should be moving up the standings

TLH

03-02-2008, 09:51 PM

After tomorrow, just one more week left in the season before the playoffs kick in...

God, I hope I make it...

:csad:

Playoffs don't start in a week...:huh:

Unless you mean the stretch run to the playoffs?

Themanofbat

03-02-2008, 09:58 PM

Playoffs don't start in a week...:huh:

Unless you mean the stretch run to the playoffs?

Sorry... I meant the SHH Fantasy Hockey Pool playoffs start in a week.

TLH

03-02-2008, 10:17 PM

Oh, my bad. I was like...16 games in 7 days? My Flames are gonna be exhausted after that. :D

Themanofbat

03-02-2008, 10:26 PM

Oh, my bad. I was like...16 games in 7 days? My Flames are gonna be exhausted after that. :woot:

I may be on the east coast, but they are MY Flames, buddy... :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

:cwink:

Victor Creed

03-02-2008, 11:46 PM

I may be on the east coast, but they are MY Flames, buddy... :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

:cwink:

You guys can have the Flames, I'll just stick to a real hockey team......MY STARS!!

TLH

03-03-2008, 09:16 AM

You guys can have the Flames, I'll just stick to a real hockey team......MY STARS!!

:cmad: Tell that to our 3-1 record against you.

You might be ahead of us in the standings, but you don't scare me. :oldrazz:

Victor Creed

03-03-2008, 12:42 PM

:cmad: Tell that to our 3-1 record against you.

You might be ahead of us in the standings, but you don't scare me. :oldrazz:

The Stars are actually 2-1-1 against the Flames, so the Flames are 2-2 against us. Besides, Turco is 12-6-1 (and 2 ties, 1.84 GAA, .926 SV%, 3 Shutouts) all time against the Flames.

The Flames are scary. :whatever:

TLH

03-03-2008, 12:43 PM

Oh...you will see. :D

Fran

03-03-2008, 01:03 PM

Thank God the Wings won last night... Dallas is only 5 points behind.

Victor Creed

03-03-2008, 01:08 PM

Thank God the Wings won last night... Dallas is only 5 points behind.

Yea, the Stars played with a half-assed effort. Also be glad that Zubov and Boucher were out most of the season, and that Zubov and Niskanen are out right now, or it could be much closer, lol.

Fran

03-03-2008, 01:17 PM

5 points, you can't get much closer than that.

Victor Creed

03-03-2008, 01:23 PM

5 points, you can't get much closer than that.

I'm pretty sure that having the same number of points makes the race closer, lol. You must be using Red Wings math :cwink:.

Fran

03-03-2008, 01:34 PM

It's TOO close, IMO... :o

Victor Creed

03-03-2008, 01:43 PM

Not to me. The Stars are always underrated every single year, but they're right up there with the talent of the Red Wings. The real difference is that the Stars get scoring all up and down their roster so it's hard to defend against them.

I'm surprised they aren't getting more credit since the Stars have done it without their top 2 defensemen essentially all season, having to use 3 rookie defensemen, and Robidas becoming the #1 when the other two were out (which I am sure nobody expected, lol).

I never liked the Wings, and it had nothing to do with their level of talent, but rather the whole commentator ass-kissing fest that happened every time you mentioned the Wings.......but damn is Datsyuk one of the fugliest players I have ever seen, lol.

Fran

03-03-2008, 01:46 PM

Victor Creed

03-03-2008, 01:58 PM

I can understand that, just don't hate me for it. :csad:

They do worship the Wings a little too much... I'm incredibly grounded, not really getting my expectations up until I see the silver cup hoisted at the Joe again.

Yea, hopefully that'd get things more stable up there because I have been seeing things about attendance and stuff being kind of shaky this season for some reason.....is that true? Also heard stuff in passing about moving from the Joe?.

Fran

03-03-2008, 02:08 PM

Yeah, seats are going for cheap because of our state's crap economy.

And I've also heard about Ilitch wanting to build a new arena in the area.

Themanofbat

03-03-2008, 02:10 PM

Thank God the Wings won last night... Dallas is only 5 points behind.

Don't the Red Wings have about 3 games in hand though....

:huh:

Shifty

03-03-2008, 02:11 PM

Dallas just has to worry about not getting knocked out of the 1st round.

Louie and the Canucks could be their opponent again.

Fran

03-03-2008, 02:12 PM

^ Same with Detroit.

Shifty

03-03-2008, 02:17 PM

Don't the Red Wings have about 3 games in hand though....

:huh:

2 more games in hand and 1 more OT loss.

But 14 of the 15 next Red Wings games are against division opponents. Detroit's record against their division rivals is 7-9-2

The other game is vs. Dallas.

Dallas has 9 division rival games remaining.

Victor Creed

03-03-2008, 02:22 PM

Dallas just has to worry about not getting knocked out of the 1st round.

Louie and the Canucks could be their opponent again.

I don't think that's going to be an issue at all. We're actually scoring goals this year, which was the issue last year the entire time. Not to mention Zubov is gonna be fresh and rested and we have deep defense now and scoring coming from more than one line.

Canucks have 1 good line and then Luongo.

TLH

03-03-2008, 03:00 PM

Too many europeans on Detroit and Dallas. That's a cause for concern.

QueerMike

03-03-2008, 06:26 PM

The Western Conference playoffs are going to be dogfight. Detroit, Dallas, Anaheim, San Jose, Calgary, and Vancouver are ALL fully capable of reaching the finals un an unsurprising manner. Even Colorado wouldn't be a huge surprise.

A month ago I would have picked Detroit, hands down. Now, I'm not sure. I think Detroit, Dallas, and Anaheim are definitely the top three choices. San Jose has been helter-skelter all year so I can eliminate them. Calgary is coached by Keenan so odds are they won't win. Luongo could pull off a Brodeur-like feat and carry the Canucks to the finals but I don't like the rest of their team.

Like I said, it will be Detroit, Dallas, or Anaheim. I can eliminate Anaheim because I don't see teams that have key players sit out more than half the season winning championships very often.

Between Detroit and Dallas I still have to take Detroit. The Red Wings just seem to have Dallas' number each and every year.

So, somehow, I think Detroit reaches the finals. As for their opponnent from the East...

Ottawa, Montreal, Pittsburgh, and New Jersey have emerged as the favorites. I wouldn't be surprised if all these teams won in 4 or 5 games in round one. Carolina, Boston, Rangers, and Philly aren't anywhere near Cup ready.

After starting 16-2 Ottawa has really benn a below average team. And now, they changes coaches with less than 20 games left?? No way they do it again.

The emergence of Malkin and the addition of Hossa to Pittsburgh is definitely scarey for eastern teams. In the end, I think they are still to young and inexperienced. The 1980's Oilers they are not.

New Jersey and Montreal are the two I think it comes down to. Up until the trade deadline I may have been starting to lean towards Montreal, they got real retarded though and traded their #1 goalie and will go into the playoffs with a rookie netminder. That won't get it done. New Jersey wins the East.

There's my Finals prediction: New Jersey Devils vs. Detroit Red Wings. a rematch of the 1995 Stanley Cup Finals that saw New Jersey sweep Detroit for it's first Stanley Cup. Since then, the Devils have won two more and Detroit has won three. In the end, I think Detroits team defense is to strong for the Devils and their offense markably better. New Jersey's edge in goal is slight if the ancient Dominik Hasek is on top of his game.

The Detroit Red Wings win the 2008 Stanley Cup.

TLH

03-03-2008, 06:40 PM

QueerMike

03-03-2008, 06:49 PM

Call me a homer, but I don't see how you can eliminate Calgary because they're coached by Keenan. He has changed his style considerably and is far more mellow and relaxed then his former self. If anything, Calgary has been the Helter-Skelter team all year old; we are the poster boys for inconsistency, not San Jose.

Other then that it's hard to disagree with much of what you've said.

Calgary's biggest problem is disipline. Iginla takes stupid penalties in key games. Also, Kiprusoff is a very, very solid goalie but I still don't think of him as a playoff goalie.

PLAYOFF GOALIES:
Brodeur
Hasek(if healthy)
Giguere

Luongo could get into that group this year. If I had to pick a surprise team it would be Vancouver, solely on the netminding of Luongo.

Victor Creed

03-03-2008, 07:00 PM

Calgary's biggest problem is disipline. Iginla takes stupid penalties in key games. Also, Kiprusoff is a very, very solid goalie but I still don't think of him as a playoff goalie.

PLAYOFF GOALIES:
Brodeur
Hasek(if healthy)
Giguere

Luongo could get into that group this year. If I had to pick a surprise team it would be Vancouver, solely on the netminding of Luongo.

Kiprusoff has just had a season that hasn't been as good as it usually is and I don't think Calgary will be one to beat because they always seem like they're one piece short; just missing some presence that they haven't had.

Luongo will not move onto the great playoff goalies until he's had more than a couple of performances under his belt. He did well his first time in, but you can't just base his value as a playoff goaltender off of 1 or 2 years of playoffs.

Giguere and Brodeur worked to show why they are the best playoff goaltenders. Hasek would be the #3 on that list for me. Nobody else has proven themselves like those three.

Dark Donnie

03-03-2008, 08:24 PM

Ovechkin had a Hat Trick in the 1st period, and 5 points. It's 9-2 against Boston

P.S. Backstrom's passes are amazing

QueerMike

03-03-2008, 08:46 PM

Kiprusoff has just had a season that hasn't been as good as it usually is and I don't think Calgary will be one to beat because they always seem like they're one piece short; just missing some presence that they haven't had.

Luongo will not move onto the great playoff goalies until he's had more than a couple of performances under his belt. He did well his first time in, but you can't just base his value as a playoff goaltender off of 1 or 2 years of playoffs.

Giguere and Brodeur worked to show why they are the best playoff goaltenders. Hasek would be the #3 on that list for me. Nobody else has proven themselves like those three.

You sound like a knowledgeable Flames fan. What is the contract situation with Daymond Langkow? I see he's scheduled to be a free agent and alot of teams will definitely be seeking his services.

TLH

03-03-2008, 08:48 PM

Calgary's biggest problem is disipline. Iginla takes stupid penalties in key games. Also, Kiprusoff is a very, very solid goalie but I still don't think of him as a playoff goalie.

PLAYOFF GOALIES:
Brodeur
Hasek(if healthy)
Giguere

Luongo could get into that group this year. If I had to pick a surprise team it would be Vancouver, solely on the netminding of Luongo.

Kipper is a playoff goalie if there ever was one. He faced 255 shots in 6 games (thats an average of 40+ shots a game) last year against Detroit and still posted a .928 save percentage. He scares the hell out of people who know they have to face him, like the ones you have listed. And let's not forget that Calgary played horribly the entire series. We were lucky it lasted 6.

But as one person above said, Calgary is always one piece short. That's pretty much it. Not sure if we are this year, but we can't seem to play all facets of the game every night -- if the offense is there, the defense isn't. If the defense is, the work ethic isnt etc...etc...

TLH

03-03-2008, 08:50 PM

You sound like a knowledgeable Flames fan. What is the contract situation with Daymond Langkow? I see he's scheduled to be a free agent and alot of teams will definitely be seeking his services.

I'll answer this, seeing as how I'm the Flames fan :oldrazz:

Sutter is currently negotiating a deal rumored to be four years in length at about $4 million a year. This deal is relative to the deals Dumont and Boyes recently got earlier this season. Word is that Langkow is looking for long term security at this point of his career and that he would like to wind it down here in Calgary.

Also, Sutter will either trade Tanguay or let Huselius walk at the end of the season.

Yup, this is the knowledge nearly 2000 posts on the Flames board gets you ;)

Immortalfire

03-03-2008, 08:55 PM

Holy crap, Ovechkin...

NewYorkSpider

03-03-2008, 09:09 PM

Alexander Ovechkin is unbelievable.

The race for the best record in the east is getting intresting.

Victor Creed

03-03-2008, 09:48 PM

I'll answer this, seeing as how I'm the Flames fan :oldrazz:

Sutter is currently negotiating a deal rumored to be four years in length at about $4 million a year. This deal is relative to the deals Dumont and Boyes recently got earlier this season. Word is that Langkow is looking for long term security at this point of his career and that he would like to wind it down here in Calgary.

Also, Sutter will either trade Tanguay or let Huselius walk at the end of the season.

Yup, this is the knowledge nearly 2000 posts on the Flames board gets you ;)

Thanks for answering that for me, especially since I'm not a Flames fan. I'm just not like a lot of other homers who only knows about his own team, heh.

I still prefer Edmonton over Calgary though. They may suck right now, but I just remember those amazing playoff rounds against them in the 90s.

TLH

03-03-2008, 10:03 PM

Thanks for answering that for me, especially since I'm not a Flames fan. I'm just not like a lot of other homers who only knows about his own team, heh.

I still prefer Edmonton over Calgary though. They may suck right now, but I just remember those amazing playoff rounds against them in the 90s.

Hockey team, sure. But if you compared cities you'd immediately choose us.

TLH

03-05-2008, 09:22 AM

1-0 Shutout for Kipper. :D Tied for the division now.

War Party

03-05-2008, 01:27 PM

Could someone tell me why the refs didn't call this too many men on the ice. It's suppose to be 4-on-4 and Derek Roy is the 5th man on the ice and the one who scores on the breakaway. Even though the Flyers played like crap for most of the game, I still don't see how this gets overlooked:

http://www.nhl.tv/team/console?hlp=8469485

Dark Donnie

03-05-2008, 01:31 PM

War Party

03-05-2008, 01:42 PM

A call like this should not be missed in a professional sport. It follows the troubling pattern of poor officiating this year.

Immortalfire

03-05-2008, 02:09 PM

NHL Goal Horns..http://www.2khockey.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=7762&st=0/

Interesting listens

TLH

03-05-2008, 05:13 PM

Did you know San Jose's horn is from the movie Jaws?

Immortalfire

03-05-2008, 05:15 PM

That sounds familiar.

Victor Creed

03-05-2008, 05:19 PM

Did you know San Jose's horn is from the movie Jaws?

Did you know their goal horn is terrible, lol.

I also hate the Zombie Nation goal songs, ick. I like the simple, classic, Dallas Stars one that about a dozen other teams have, lol. Great horn.

Immortalfire

03-05-2008, 05:36 PM

I like Dallas, Atlanta, Carolina, Minnesota, Buffalo, Vancouver

Don't like Tampa, Pittsburgh or Ottawa's horns.

Dark Donnie

03-05-2008, 06:30 PM

Buffalo is my fav

Victor Creed

03-05-2008, 06:32 PM

Buffalo is my fav

Even with that horrible song attached to the end, lol.

*vomits*

War Party

03-05-2008, 07:18 PM

I love the Flyers. Mainly because they play Bro Hymn Tribute by Pennywise when they score. Been listening to that band since I was 14.

Dark Donnie

03-05-2008, 09:06 PM

Ovechkin sucks...2 more goals

Immortalfire

03-05-2008, 09:12 PM

Thrashers are done. dammit :csad: :csad:

Victor Creed

03-05-2008, 10:05 PM

What a god awful effort from the Stars.

Modano is a joke this season. If he doesn't retire after this season all he'll do is waste 2 million or so in cap space.

Jerry!

03-05-2008, 10:11 PM

Good game in Chicago, the Hawks shut out the Ducks 3-0. Corey Crawford's first career win after being called up. The Hawks now I think are 3 or 4 points back of the 7th and 8th spots. I'm going to the game on Friday, they are honoring Stan Mikita and Bobby Hull. It's still going to be difficult, but the kids might make the playoffs after being declared dead a few weeks ago.

TLH

03-06-2008, 01:12 PM

Thank god Chicago took down the Ducks. I hate how tight everything is. But wow, yeah, the Hawks are making a push -- good for them.

Jerry!

03-06-2008, 01:13 PM

It's nuts, they are starting like 6 or 7 rookies in some games due to injuries.

MissHush

03-06-2008, 01:26 PM

personally, my st. louis blues organization called it quits. we traded one guy no one knows for another guy no one knows. that's the organization saying "hey! we tried, but failed. come see us next year!"...jerks...

Victor Creed

03-06-2008, 01:30 PM

Who hasn't heard of Cam Janssen or Bryce Salvador?

Besides, why should your team sucking be a new thing?

Immortalfire

03-06-2008, 01:39 PM

The Blues are pretty good, more often than not. Except for the past two seasons, they had made the playoffs every year since '79.

MissHush

03-06-2008, 01:42 PM

Who hasn't heard of Cam Janssen or Bryce Salvador?

Besides, why should your team sucking be a new thing?

well, we started the season off like we knew how to play hockey. new owner, coach...etc. then we got rid of weight. then we gave up a few months later.

and yes, the blues are good more often then not. it just so happens they choose not to be good at the most critical point in the season.

Victor Creed

03-06-2008, 01:50 PM

well, we started the season off like we knew how to play hockey. new owner, coach...etc. then we got rid of weight. then we gave up a few months later.

and yes, the blues are good more often then not. it just so happens they choose not to be good at the most critical point in the season.

They must have chosen to not be good for the past few years then. I don't know what it is with the Blues, but they can't score goals. Legace has been good as usual this season, but the lack of scoring shows how "good" the team is. They have their few bright points throughout the lineup, but then they have guys who are nothing special.

Right now it's a waiting game of mediocrity until Oshie and Co. can get into the NHL. I actually like the new owner too, btw.

MissHush

03-06-2008, 01:58 PM

They must have chosen to not be good for the past few years then. I don't know what it is with the Blues, but they can't score goals. Legace has been good as usual this season, but the lack of scoring shows how "good" the team is. They have their few bright points throughout the lineup, but then they have guys who are nothing special.

Right now it's a waiting game of mediocrity until Oshie and Co. can get into the NHL. I actually like the new owner too, btw.

oh, davidson is awesome. he's done a lot for marketing the team this year and bringing our fans back to the games.

but your right. without legace, no one would even notice we exist outside of "oh, that's a team we'll beat"

i can't wait for Oshie though. I went to the frozen four last year in St. Louis and i was so impressed with his play. Plus ben bishop will be a nice backup in the next few years. not to mention the increase in attractiveness on the team will bring more female fans out to the game :woot:

TLH

03-06-2008, 02:03 PM

St. Louis is a top six forward away from the playoffs. They'll be fine.

Victor Creed

03-06-2008, 02:26 PM

oh, davidson is awesome. he's done a lot for marketing the team this year and bringing our fans back to the games.

but your right. without legace, no one would even notice we exist outside of "oh, that's a team we'll beat"

i can't wait for Oshie though. I went to the frozen four last year in St. Louis and i was so impressed with his play. Plus ben bishop will be a nice backup in the next few years. not to mention the increase in attractiveness on the team will bring more female fans out to the game :woot:

I agree. Davidson is one of those guys who remembers what it's like to be a hockey fan, and he's a damn smart guy.

The thing that makes me sad is that playing in St. Louis, Legace doesn't really get the credit he deserves (aside from the ASG appearance this year).

St. Louis, Phoenix, and Chicago are all gonna be crazy over the next couple years as far as watching the teams get better are concerned.

Jerry!

03-06-2008, 02:31 PM

Coming into this sesaon Chicago was basically William Wirtz's death and a few signing signings away from being really good in the future. Wirtz died and now the entire culture of Blackhawk hockey has begun to change. Still gotta get rid of Khabibullin, and they gotta do something to replace Havlat, because that guy cannot stay healthy among other things, but a few of the kids they got right now look really good. Patrick Kane is probably going to break the team record for assists and Toews looks to be like a young Steve Larmer.

MissHush

03-06-2008, 02:33 PM

Jerry!

03-06-2008, 02:36 PM

Thanks in large part to John McDonough, the Blachawks will also hold their first ever fan convention in the off season. Which is kinda sad when you think about it. Wirtz almost completely destroyed the franchise.

TLH

03-06-2008, 06:14 PM

The NHL ought to consider stripped a few franchises away so that it can increase the skill level on each team. If you had 2 less teams a conference then that's 45 or so skill players (24 top 6 fowards, 12-16 top 4 defensemen, 4 goalies etc...) that can be marbled into other teams.

By doing this, scoring increases and so does interest.

Not my idea though; I read it in a book.

Victor Creed

03-06-2008, 06:43 PM

Taking away teams completely isn't going to generate interest, just piss people off. The only reason there was as much scoring 20 years ago was because goaltenders blew for the most part.

NewYorkSpider

03-06-2008, 10:37 PM

TLH

03-06-2008, 10:40 PM

Just shrink the goalie equipment if you want to expand scoring. The goalies of the Gretzky era played with light padding.

Victor Creed

03-06-2008, 10:49 PM

Just shrink the goalie equipment if you want to expand scoring. The goalies of the Gretzky era played with light padding.

Yea, a lot of them looked like they were made of wood too, haha. Could you imagine how few goals Gretzky and Co. would have against today's top goaltenders?

I think they need to make the equipment have a size limit based your body size so we don't have small goalies wearing leg pads that reach their ears.

TLH

03-07-2008, 09:08 AM

Yea, a lot of them looked like they were made of wood too, haha. Could you imagine how few goals Gretzky and Co. would have against today's top goaltenders?

I think they need to make the equipment have a size limit based your body size so we don't have small goalies wearing leg pads that reach their ears.

I've got to fight the uphill battle of telling my Dad and his buddies that Jarome Iginla is a better scorer then many of the scorers that played during his era. Iggy has tallied as many goals as he had, mostly in the clutch-and-grab era where scoring was down. He also didn't play with many skilled players.

Guys like Crosby and Ovechkin would have had Gretzky numbers if the played back in the 80's, if you ask me.

Goalies never tried back then it looked like. They stood like pylons and moved occasionally. Some of them were acrobatic, but nothing near what we're used to now. Brodeur and Roy changed that.

Shifty

03-07-2008, 10:34 AM

^^Didn't they expand the net so there was more scoring. I thought that was one thing they did when they came back from the strike.

Flyers beat Tampa tonight. We need to kick into high gear now. Buffalo and Washington are right on are tails.

It was the lockout and no they didn't. That was an idea and it still gets floated around. They need to make the equipment smaller and proportional to the height/size of the goalie. Kolzig is over 6 feet so he's going to be big but Giguere is taking advantage.

Sens are sinking. The only benefit is they may fall to 6th and play Carolina.

Dark Donnie

03-07-2008, 10:42 AM

Anyone see Roy flip out...hilarious

TLH

03-07-2008, 10:44 AM

Sens might just miss the playoffs...hate to say it.

QueerMike

03-07-2008, 11:59 AM

Sens might just miss the playoffs...hate to say it.
They are 8 points up on the #9 seed, Buffalo, with 13 games remaining. Buffalo has 14 games left.

IF Ottawa goes 6-6-1, Buffalo must go 10-3-1 to surpass them. I can't see Buffalo doing that but I wouldn't be surprised if Ottawa played .500 the rest of the way.

Ottawa will get in but they will be lucky to get out of round one. Especially if they stay where they are and play New Jersey in round one.

TLH

03-07-2008, 04:02 PM

Fair enough. I think .500 is a safe bet for the Sens at this point, but OK...let me put it this way, they could very well blow home ice advantage.

Shifty

03-07-2008, 09:18 PM

Hossa Was Being Realistic
Dan Pollard
TSN.ca
3/7/2008 1:45:10 PM

Say what you will about Marian Hossa forcing the Thrashers hand when he refused to re-sign in Atlanta. You can't accuse him of not being realistic.

Hossa didn't see Atlanta as a team that offered to be a serious threat in the playoffs even if they could reach the extra season in the near future. Problems ran deeper than just the NHL roster. The entire development structure had cracks.

It's not that Bryan Little and Brett Sterling aren't talented prospects in Atlanta's system. It's just that if they are the best of the young crop to come up its more of a ripple than a wave of optimism at this point.

The Thrashers are to blame. Like many NHL teams Atlanta allows its AHL affiliate team to sign its own players. What's unique is the number of players the Thrashers allow to be signed. Those players belong to the Wolves, not the Thrashers.

The Chicago Wolves hockey team is an independently owned organization. It doesn't have to worry about playing Atlanta systems. It's not Thrasher development first. They play Wolves hockey. They don't have to be on the same page.

Just win baby. Make some money. There's nothing on the back of the jersey that says "prospect". The Steve Martins of the world are being paid by the Wolves who want their monies worth.

Head coach John Anderson isn't an employee of the Thrashers. That too is unique. His agenda is different. He's got to win for his bosses who aren't a parent NHL club. It's not that he looks to derail Atlanta's development plans. It's just that the best guy gets the ice time and the Wolves won't eat their own. That's the structure.

Washington showed this year what can be done in a successful structure when they reached into the minors to slide Bruce Boudreau into Glen Hanlon's spot behind the Caps bench. Boudreau's work behind the bench and the development of prospects he coached in Hershey have Washington aiming for a playoff spot. It's something the Thrashers (if they had any mind to do it) could never have done. Even if they wanted Anderson to replace Bob Hartley they had to deal with the fact that Anderson is a Wolves employee. Atlanta would have had to compensate the Wolves and then add him to their payroll to replace Bob Hartley.

It's a situation that has to be dealt with if Atlanta wants to move forward.

Yeah Atlanta has to work something better out, perhaps find a different city. I know the Vancouver Canucks/Manitoba Moose affiliation hasn't always been perfect but the Canucks allow the Moose to sign veterans/free agents because ownership wants a winner. Being on a winning team would only benefit the young talent. The Atlanta talent just seems to be along for the ride. And now they've sunk where they might have a chance of drafting Stamkos.

TLH

03-07-2008, 09:29 PM

I do hope Stamkos lands in a place like Atlanta. They need a big boost.

Shifty

03-07-2008, 09:56 PM

I do hope Stamkos lands in a place like Atlanta. They need a big boost.

LA could use Stamkos. Atlanta needs a new GM/coach and a reason for players to stay with the team.

QueerMike

03-07-2008, 10:29 PM

Fair enough. I think .500 is a safe bet for the Sens at this point, but OK...let me put it this way, they could very well blow home ice advantage.

I think they already have and they'll probably finsh 6th in the East.

Jerry!

03-08-2008, 12:54 AM

Got back from the Blackhawks game little while back, and let me tell you something, the Blackhawk fans are back. Even though they lost, and on a questionable call which revoked the game tying goal in the last seconds of the game, the pre game ceremony honoring Stan Mikita and Bobby Hull was incredible.

I can say without a doubt, the United Center hasn't been that loud since Jordan made his comeback and during the record breaking 72-10 season. The place was going nuts. They had a bunch of former stars and team mates of Mikita and Hull back and what made it even better for me, my favorite Blackhawk player was at hand as well, Jeremy Roenick, who also got a pretty big hand from the audience. It felt as history was being made, that the franchise is finally taking a step in the right direction and that things will only get better from here on out. It sounds corny, but there were a lot of fans crying in the stands during the speeches.

Immortalfire

03-08-2008, 05:46 AM

Thrashers finally get another win, defeating the Wild in a shootout :up:

TLH

03-08-2008, 11:03 AM

Shifty

03-08-2008, 11:57 AM

Chicago has always had good NHL fans, they simply need a team that gives them a reason to come out and cheer. I'm happy for Chicago; they're an original six team that deserves some postseason success.

I don't know if they'll make it this year. They've got to get past Phoenix and Vancouver then make sure at least Nashville, Colorado, Calgary, or Minnesota stumble. But its great to see Chicago have some life. The NHL needs the Original 6 teams to do well. Detroit, Montreal, NY Rangers and Boston seem set for playoff appearences, having Chicago would be great.

TLH

03-08-2008, 12:54 PM

Calgary, Nashville, Colorado and Minnesota are all pretty hot and cold teams. If the Blackhawks keep winning they might be able to squeeze in, but it's unlikely.

Jerry!

03-08-2008, 02:27 PM

I doubt that they make the playoffs this year. Half the team is rookies, the entire defense average age is like 21 or something. Considering that, they have done very well recently.

It was never really the team or lack of quality that kept the fans away. It was the management. The fans were always there, just the management ****ed up so bad, I've never seen a more mishandled big franchise like the Blackhawks. They alienated just about every great Blackhawk player and along with them every fan. Old man Wirtz more or less said "We don't want you here." Back in the days of Hull and Mikita at the Old Chicago Stadium, they would sell out routinely. When Wirtz didn't want Hull anymore and he left, a lot of fans left with him. Wirtz blacked out home games and only like 7 or 8 games in total would be televised a season because "it wouldn't be fair to season ticket holders if we televised the games." It was a crock of ****. Because of all this a lot of fans became Chicago Wolves (minor league AHL team) fans, including myself. But it looks like the Blackhawks are finally back.

Shifty

03-08-2008, 04:28 PM

Red Wings and especially the Stars have some company now with the surging Sharks. The Score was talking about how they're missing one player who could bring some more toughness. Whoever gets out of the West is going to be banged up.

I'll be taking a small vacation to the Twin Cities during the first week of the playoffs. I doubt I will be able to find any playoff tickets, but my friend knows someone there who will try. Even still the city should be a great place to be in if the Wild are playing in the playoffs.

kang604

03-08-2008, 11:47 PM

Canucks win tonite (woot!) against St. Louis, move back into 8th spot in the west.

Vancouver needs to get some wins together here, the NW division is still within grasp, we have a game or two in hand.

TLH

03-09-2008, 11:41 AM

Immortalfire

03-09-2008, 10:24 PM

Nicklas Backstrom of Washington scored into his own net today, lol

MissHush

03-09-2008, 10:28 PM

Nicklas Backstrom of Washington scored into his own net today, lol

Marc Bergivin did that for the St. Louis Blues a few years back. Most depressing game of the year.

Shifty

03-10-2008, 05:11 PM

Report: NHL eyes Yankee Stadium game
TSN.ca Staff
3/10/2008 12:17:23 PM

The NHL, New York Rangers and New York Yankees are closing in on a deal that would see an outdoor hockey game played at Yankee Stadium in 2009, reports the New York Daily News.

With the success of the Winter Classic between the Pittsburgh Penguins and Buffalo Sabres this past January, the NHL has been looking into the possibility of holding more outdoor games. Since the Yankees will be moving into a new stadium in 2009, the proposed hockey game would be the final sporting event held at old Yankee Stadium.

"It's something we've spoken both to the Yankees and to the city about but it's not a done deal," NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly told the Daily News. "There are still other possibilities and a lot of moving pieces."

The newspaper went on to report that the New York Islanders and New Jersey Devils would not be the first choice as the Rangers opponents for the game. It is believed the league and their broadcast partner, NBC, would be looking for a team from another U.S. television market.

Sounds like New York will be the host next year, even after the Edmonton game there were rumours about a Yankees Stadium game.

So what other team do you think will visit?
Colorado? Detroit? Chicago?
Philadelphia? Boston?
Is this going to piss off some old Yankees fans?

http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/20080310/Yanks_44131.jpg

Jerry!

03-10-2008, 05:20 PM

QueerMike

03-10-2008, 06:45 PM

I like the idea of an original six round robin tournament with four of the teams for a weekend in either Montreal, Toronto, or Detroit or all three.

DAY 1 - Thursday
Montreal vs. Chicago
Detroit vs. Toronto

DAY 2 - Friday
(NO GAMES)

DAY 3 - Saturday
Toronto vs. Montreal
Detroit vs. Chicago

DAY 4 - Sunday
Montreal vs. Detroit
Toronto vs. Chicago

Shifty

03-10-2008, 07:17 PM

Why would it make anyone mad?

The last sporting event in Yankees Stadium is a outdoor hockey game with the Rangers. I think some fans would be upset or annoyed that the last Yankees game wouldn't be the last sporting event in the stadium.

Shifty

03-10-2008, 07:19 PM

Why would it make anyone mad? Gary Betteman was in Chicago a few days ago for a Hawks game and when asked if the NHL plans to hold an outdoor game in Chicago in Wrigley or Soldier Field, he said he didn't want to "oversaturated" the league with these outdoor games. What an ass. Chicago is a big part of the NHL and now that it is finally being resurrected it would be the perfect time for it. And oversaturated? How many outdoor games have been played? One? Come on.

Some of the fools in Toronto were saying the league shouldn't over do it or it won't be so special but you can't have the gap between games be so long. There have been two outdoor games in five years. I think once a year would be fine.

kang604

03-10-2008, 11:06 PM

Sounds like New York will be the host next year, even after the Edmonton game there were rumours about a Yankees Stadium game.

So what other team do you think will visit?
Colorado? Detroit? Chicago?
Philadelphia? Boston?
Is this going to piss off some old Yankees fans?

http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/20080310/Yanks_44131.jpg

NHL would be stupid for doing this

being a yankee fan and a part-time new yorker... i would be pretty pissed if the NHL did this, and im a huge hockey fan. there are tons of other places to hold the winter classic, the bronx is not one of them.

they should have the game maybe in montreal or ottawa... but if it MUST be the rangers then rangers/bruins would be nice (original 6) or maybe rangers/caps to showcase ovechkin

Jerry!

03-10-2008, 11:16 PM

Some of the fools in Toronto were saying the league shouldn't over do it or it won't be so special but you can't have the gap between games be so long. There have been two outdoor games in five years. I think once a year would be fine.

I'd go farther than that. I say any winter city team that could be able to hold one should have one a outdoor game a year if they want. Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Any of the Canadien teams. They would all do well.

As far as the Yankee stadium thing. Come on, are people that freaking petty? Get over it already.

Immortalfire

03-11-2008, 01:42 PM

Yahoo power rankings...

1. San Jose Sharks (40-21-8, Previous: 2) – They’re a perfect 7-0 since the deadline when they added coveted defenseman Brian Campbell and veteran backup goalie Brian Boucher while subtracting young forward Steve Bernier. Campbell has scored in five of the seven games and averaged 24:29 of ice time, which is still 30 seconds less than he averaged in Buffalo. Boucher pitched a shutout in his only game.
2. Detroit Red Wings (45-18-6, Previous: 4) – The Wings are 3-1-1 since making the minor move to pick up Brad Stuart for depth on defense. The biggest boost Detroit has received since the deadline is the return to healthof several blue liners – namely Nicklas Lidstrom – with more expected back soon.
3. New Jersey Devils (40-23-6, Previous: 6) – The Devils are 3-2-1 since adding veteran defenseman Bryce Salvador to their back end. Salvador has skated an average of 20:55 in five games, an increase by more than a minute while with St. Louis. He should be a good fit especially in the playoffs when physical play and intensity ratchets up another notch or two.
4. New York Rangers (37-24-9, Previous: 11) – The Rangers are 5-0-1 since the deadline, a continuation of a 13-game unbeaten streak (10-0-3) that began Feb. 9. New York focused on role players, plugging winger Fredrik Sjostrom (averaging nine minutes in six games) and defenseman Christian Backman (17 minutes in six games) into a lineup that was already set in terms of top-line regulars.
5. Anaheim Ducks (39-25-7, Previous: 1) – The Ducks are 4-2 since the deadline, although their more telling numbers are 24-10-3 since the return of Scott Niedermayer on Dec. 16 and 12-4-0 since the return of Teemu Selanne on Feb. 2.
6. Montreal Canadiens (38-23-9, Previous: 5) – The Canadiens are 5-2 since dealing Cristobal Huet to Washington and handing over the reigns of the No. 1 goaltending duties to 20-year-old Carey Price. It’s less about the age as it is about Price’s experience in big games and big events. Price, a technically-sound netminder, seems to save his best for when everything is on the line. His teammates are impressed with his calm demeanor and maturity, too.
7. Dallas Stars (42-25-5, Previous: 3) – The Stars are 3-3 since the blockbuster trade to acquire Brad Richards from Tampa Bay in exchange for regulars Jussi Jokinen, Jeff Halpern and backup goalie Mike Smith, who is No. 1 with Tampa Bay. Richards provided an immediate spark with a career-high five points in his debut. He’s scored a goal and added three assists in the five games since while averaging 19:19 of ice time overall, five minutes less than while with the Lightning.
8. Pittsburgh Penguins (39-24-7, Previous: 7) – The Pens are 4-3 since pulling one of the two major deals at the trade deadline. Marian Hossa lasted only 10 minutes of his first game after spraining his knee. The 29-year-old scoring winger is expected back this week. Large defenseman Hal Gill has averaged 17:22 in six appearances and forward Pascal Dupuis has scored a goal and added an assist while averaging 18:22 in six games. The biggest lift, though, was getting captain Sidney Crosby back in the lineup.
9. Calgary Flames (36-23-10, Previous: 10) – The Flames are 3-1-2 since the deadline, which came and went pretty quietly for Calgary. Instead, the Flames picked up physical defenseman Jim Vandermeer a week before the deadline as the team’s only move. Playing for his third team this season, Vandermeer has appeared in eight games for the Flames, and he’s averaged nearly 22 minutes per contest.
10. Ottawa Senators (38-25-7, Previous: 9) – The Senators are 2-4-1 since adding only Martin Lapointe at the deadline. They did subtract coach John Paddock. General manager Bryan Murray is trying to reprogram this team on the fly with very little time left in the regular season. Lapointe hasn’t had a lot of influence, scoring one goal and averaging only 11:31 of ice time in six games, which is three minutes more than he was getting in Chicago. He could shine in the postseason.
11. Vancouver Canucks (35-24-10, Previous: 14) – The Canucks are 3-2-2 since the deadline when all they did was add Matt Pettinger from Washington for Matt Cooke in an exchange of role-playing forwards. Pettinger has a goal and 11 penalty minutes during 13:26 of skating in his first seven games.
12. Colorado Avalanche (37-27-6, Previous: 13) – The Avalanche are 6-1 since the deadline when they aggressively added some familiar pieces in forward Peter Forsberg and defenseman Adam Foote along with Ruslan Salei. Foote, with the Quebec/Colorado franchise the first 13 years of his career, averaged 21:42 in five games while Salei skated an average of 19:38 on the backline in six. Forsberg has been another story. Or rather, the same old tired story. He’s nursing a sore groin now after battling ankle and foot ailments and has appeared in just three games.
13. Minnesota Wild (37-26-7, Previous: 8) – The Wild are 3-3-2 since adding tough guy Chris Simon, who has only appeared for an average of 7:40 in four games. It’s no surprise he isn’t playing more as Minnesota looks for answers to turn around a 0-2-2 streak.
14. Philadelphia Flyers (35-26-8, Previous: 15) – The Flyers are 4-1-1 since the deadline, a time in which they snapped a franchise-record 10-game losing streak just the night before. Philly picked up veteran forward Vaclav Prospal, who has added a goal and two points during 17:39 of ice time.
15. Boston Bruins (36-25-8, Previous: 12) – The Bruins are 4-2-2 since the deadline, a time in which they were the only Eastern Conference team that didn’t make a single deal. GM Peter Chiarelli said he liked his team just the way it was, of course what else was he going to say after making no trades? We’re wondering how much he liked his team when they lost 10-2 and 8-2 in the span of three games last week?
16. Carolina Hurricanes (37-29-5, Previous: 18) – The Hurricanes are 5-1 since the deadline. Despite the loss of Rod Brind’Amour to a torn knee ligament, Carolina is pulling away in the balanced Southeast Division. Tuomo Ruutu, acquired from Chicago at the deadline, had a goal and three points while averaging 17:44 per game in his first six, but it was pre-deadline pickup Sergei Samsonov who has made the biggest contribution with 12 goals and 24 points in his first 27 games with the Hurricanes.
17. Nashville Predators (35-27-8, Previous: 17) – The Predators are 3-3 since a basically quiet deadline, making only a minor deal to acquire forward Brandon Bochenski, who appeared in only one of the six games. Nashville is sitting on all kinds of cap space, and it’s assumed the Preds will be more aggressive in the offseason than they were at the deadline.
18. Chicago Blackhawks (33-29-7, Previous: 21) – The Blackhawks are 4-2-1 since the deadline when, thanks to the emergence of their youth, they were able to dish some veterans (Tuomo Ruutu and Martin Lapointe). The only player Chicago acquired at the deadline was forward Andrew Ladd, who had two goals and four points while averaging 15:33 of ice time in his first seven games.
19. Buffalo Sabres (32-27-11, Previous: 19) – The Sabres are 2-3-2 and still in the playoff hunt since trading top defenseman Brian Campbell. They received Steve Bernier from San Jose in addition to a first-round draft pick, and the physical forward scored goals on his first two shots with Buffalo. But he has been pretty quiet since with two assists in four games before scoring a goal Monday night. Rookie Czech defenseman Andrej Sekera has picked up playing time in Campbell’s absence, skating more than 24:45 in three of his first four appearances since the deal.
20. Washington Capitals (32-30-8, Previous: 16) – The Capitals are 4-3 as their season-long battle from a 6-14-1 start to reach the postseason continues. Washington added all kinds of pieces. Veteran forward Sergei Fedorov didn’t have a goal but added two assists and averaged 16:50 in his first six games. Matt Cooke had a goal and three points during an average of 9:27 of skating and goalie Cristobal Huet is 2-2 while sharing the net with Olaf Kolzig.
21. Phoenix Coyotes (34-30-5, Previous: 20) – The Coyotes are 2-4 since the deadline, a time they used to deal players who were no longer in their plans (Fredrik Sjostrom, Josh Gratton, David Leneveu) for depth at forward in the person of Marcel Hossa and goaltending prospect Al Montoya from the Rangers. Hossa was scoreless, a minus-3 and averaged 13:24 of ice time in his first six games. Montoya remains in the minors.
22. Columbus Blue Jackets (31-28-11, Previous: 22) – The Blue Jackets are 2-2-2 since the deadline, when they were sellers instead of buyers. Columbus waived good-bye to captain Adam Foote and high-priced aging center Sergei Fedorov. The disappointment was their inability to get Brad Richards from Tampa Bay. The Jackets will be in a recruiting mode in the summer.
Edmonton Oilers (33-31-5, Previous: 26) – The Oilers are 5-1 since the deadline when they did absolutely nothing. Edmonton continues to get solid goaltending from Mathieu Garon, who unseated Dwayne Roloson for the No. 1 spot. The Oilers only faced one team in a playoff spot in their first six after the deadline.
Florida Panthers (32-31-8, Previous: 28) – The Panthers are 4-1-1 since the deadline, a time in which they picked up three veteran role players but have only received value out of one. Defenseman Karlis Skrastins averaged 21:37 of ice time in six games. Wade Belak has played sparingly, appearing for only 4:19 in his first six games. Chad Kilger has been suspended for the club. He’s tending to an undisclosed personal issue away from the team, and it’s questionable whether he’ll even play one game for the Panthers this season.
Toronto Maple Leafs (30-30-10, Previous: 23) – The Maple Leafs are 3-2-1 since the deadline, a period in which they are probably breathing easier and playing more relaxed. Toronto didn’t add anything but draft picks in exchange for letting go of Hal Gill, Wade Belak and Chad Kilger. Mats Sundin has five goals and 12 points in the six games since deciding against waiving his no-trade clause. He’s enjoyed three-point games in half of those games.
26. Atlanta Thrashers (30-32-8, Previous: 27) – The Thrashers are 1-2-4 since the deadline when, feeling forced to unload Marian Hossa, did pretty well in getting two players – Colby Armstrong and Erik Christensen – along with prospect Angelo Esposito from Pittsburgh in exchange for Hossa and Pascal Dupuis. Armstrong had a goal and three points during an average of 19:01 of ice time while Christensen had a goal and two points in 17:53, both in the first six games.
27. New York Islanders (32-31-7, Previous: 24) – The Islanders are 2-5 since the deadline when they failed to add any offensive help to a goal-starved team. New York has scored one or fewer goals in five of the seven games since the deadline. The only player the Isles acquired, physical veteran defenseman Rob Davison from San Jose, averaged 17:28 of ice time in his first seven games.
28. St. Louis Blues (29-30-10, Previous: 25) – The Blues are 1-6 since the deadline when veteran defensemen Bryce Salvador and Christian Backman went out the door shortly after the team made a long-term financial commitment to Barret Jackman. The only player acquired – tough guy Cam Janssen – has yet to appear.
29. Los Angeles Kings (27-38-6, Previous: 30) – The Kings are 1-4-2 since the deadline. Los Angeles managed to only unload veteran defenseman Brad Stuart. Veterans Scott Thornton, Ladislav Nagy, Brian Willsie and Jon Klemm, all unrestricted free agents, are presumably playing their final games with the organization.
30. Tampa Bay Lightning (26-35-8, Previous: 29) – The Lightning are 1-5-1 since the deadline. They unloaded the best player available – Brad Richards – and while getting decent value in return, certainly have not done well since. The hope is for Mike Smith, the 25-year-old former backup to Marty Turco in Dallas, to emerge as a No. 1 goalie. He is 1-5 with 18 goals allowed in his first six appearances. Veteran checking center Jeff Halpern has been good offensively (three goals, six points) but a minus-2 while averaging 19:36 of ice time in seven games. Jussi Jokinen had one goal and three points but was a minus-8 in seven games.

Steve Rogers

03-11-2008, 06:50 PM

Jerry!

03-11-2008, 08:20 PM

Bobby Hull and Stan Mikita tribute video (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwQAbSmBbmE).

TLH

03-11-2008, 08:48 PM

Iggy #1 in Flames scoring (all time) with 365 goals. :D

Shifty

03-11-2008, 09:48 PM

QueerMike

03-12-2008, 12:21 PM

Original six? Where's Boston and New York?

If you included all six you couldn't make it a round robin tournament unless it lasted over a week.

You could just call it original six weekend:

FRIDAY
New York vs. Boston
Chicago vs. Toronto

SATURDAY(HNIC)
Boston vs. Detroit
Montreal vs. Toronto

SUNDAY
Montreal vs. Detroit
New York vs. Chicago

TLH

03-12-2008, 12:21 PM

QueerMike

03-12-2008, 12:32 PM

San Jose has now won 10 in a row, bumps off Dallas to find themselves 2nd in the West. Doesn't look good for the Pacific Division teams because it looks like Dallas, San Jose and Anaheim will finish in the 2nd, 4th and 5th spots. A big contender will be knocked off in the first round with the 4th/5th matchup because of the weaker Northwest Division. Its going to suck for fans when all three have had great seasons and one of them will be guaranteed to be eliminated.

That's what I'm saying. Of those three teams, one is likely going to have to go through the other two and THEN get the Detroit Red Wings in the Conference Finals.

So, the odds of a Pacific team reaching the Stanley Cup Finals is slim. The only way I can see a Pacific team
reaching the SCF is if the #2 seed or the Detroit Red Wings get upset.

It may be easier if the 4v5 winner doesn't have to play the #2 seed. For that to happen, all top seeds would have to win and we all know how rare that is. Even IF all top seeds win then the 4v5 winner would get DETROIT!?!
Detroit may open with Nashville or Colorado, they'll be ready for whoever survives that series.

Whichever teams are in the 4v5 series won't make the SCF. They'd have to survive that series AND THEN go through the #2 AND Detroit!

After seeing the teams that will be in the #2,#4, #5 situation I have to really like Detroit's chances. The only team that could possibly stop Detroit IMO is Vancouver with Robert Luongo.

It's looking like another Red Wings Stanley Cup Final, ho-hum.

Victor Creed

03-12-2008, 02:38 PM

Wow.

I guess the more your team gets banged up, the more likely someone is going to be suspended. ******** suspension against Ott. The thing that bothers me most about it, is that on most forums people are acting like it should have been a 5 game suspension or something. Apparently nobody has actually seen Ott play or they'd realize his name isn't Tootoo or Avery, and that he doesn't run around trying to injure players.

I fail to understand how this hit was that bad, especially when you consider the hits from Hartnell and Jones that were a hell of a lot worse. I think the NHL is just feeling sorry for the Avs at this point.

TLH

03-12-2008, 06:53 PM

NHL is a pretty inconsistent league in that regard. WAY too subjective; they ought to determine mandatory sentences for certain offenses, regardless of context, much like other sports have.

NewYorkSpider

03-12-2008, 08:12 PM

Flyers losing to the Maple Leafs by one. I really don't want to end up playing one of the top three teams in the first round. I'd rather get up to the 6th seed and play Carolina.

TLH

03-12-2008, 08:15 PM

Philly fan?

NewYorkSpider

03-12-2008, 08:18 PM

Yes.

Shifty

03-12-2008, 10:42 PM

The NW division is not weaker per se, we have five competitive team (yes...even Edmonton) and 4 holding playoff spots. We are the TOUGHEST division in the league. The pacific is no doubt the BEST divison however.

But it's good for my Flames, I suppose...if we can make it in and win a round, that one of Dallas, SJ, or Anaheim will be out.

Its still a good division but they're not teams that have played like locks for the Conference Finals such as San Jose, Anaheim or Dallas. Though none of those teams could get there, they're doing well in all aspects while the NW teams may have question marks like the Canucks/Wild scoring or Avs with goaltending, etc. Still regular season doesn't mean anything, the top 4 seeds could get knocked off in the first round.

Thankfully the Panthers and Capitals won tonight so the Leafs didn't jump into 10th, they've still got company.

Poeman

03-12-2008, 10:48 PM

Flyers losing to the Maple Leafs by one. I really don't want to end up playing one of the top three teams in the first round. I'd rather get up to the 6th seed and play Carolina.

getting to 6? you need to start worrying about not even making the playoffs now.

caps, panthers, leafs...all won!

Shifty

03-12-2008, 11:01 PM

THE LEAFS JUST WON'T DIE!!! :down:cmad:

They'll miss the playoffs by one point for the third season in a row.

NewYorkSpider

03-12-2008, 11:13 PM

getting to 6? you need to start worrying about not even making the playoffs now.

caps, panthers, leafs...all won!

We're 4 points out of 6th and the Sabre are 4 points back of the 8th seed. We can look at at it both ways for now.

TLH

03-13-2008, 03:02 PM

The Maple Leafs will win just enough games to screw themselves in the draft, while not winning enough to make the playoffs. It'll be a classic Hockey season in Toronto.

Immortalfire

03-13-2008, 08:36 PM

Holy Mackerel, we just beat the Flames :eek: :up:

Ilya with his 10th career hat trick :word:

TLH

03-14-2008, 03:34 PM

Holy Mackerel, we just beat the Flames :eek: :up:

Ilya with his 10th career hat trick :word:

My team always finds a way to lose games to teams they are are beating the daylights out of early on. We often go to sleep once we're up 2-3 goals. :hehe:

Themanofbat

03-14-2008, 04:09 PM

Yeah... who the hell loses to Atlanta with a 3-0 lead? :wow: :wow: :wow:

The Flames... :csad:

Themanofbat

03-14-2008, 04:11 PM

Holy Mackerel, we just beat the Flames :eek: :up:

In the 4 or 5 times Calgary has visited Atlanta, is there any kind of recognition that the Flames were originally from Atlanta?

:huh: :huh: :huh:

I'm just asking because it might be a good marketing ploy...

TLH

03-14-2008, 04:20 PM

Yeah... who the hell loses to Atlanta with a 3-0 lead? :wow: :wow: :wow:

The Flames... :csad:

What amazes me most about Calgary is that they will blow/lose games to Atlanta like this and yet come out and beat the likes of teams like Minnesota, Dallas, San Jose etc...

Immortalfire

03-14-2008, 04:50 PM

In the 4 or 5 times Calgary has visited Atlanta, is there any kind of recognition that the Flames were originally from Atlanta?

:huh: :huh: :huh:

I'm just asking because it might be a good marketing ploy...

On the tube, and at games I've attended I've seen people in the crowd wearing throwback Atlanta Flames jerseys (you can still buy them here), and last night on the post game, they showed a clip of a Flames/Nordiques game at the old Omni. In fact the Omni's scoreboard is hanging in Philips Arena's promenade. So yeah, people know they were here, and still recognize them in various manners.

TLH

03-14-2008, 05:11 PM

^Nostaglia

Shifty

03-15-2008, 10:30 AM

Yeah... who the hell loses to Atlanta with a 3-0 lead? :wow: :wow: :wow:

The Flames... :csad:

You're going to be more sad if Kolzig plays on Sunday and you're eliminated by the Penguins in fantasy. We were supposed to meet in the final!

Immortalfire

03-15-2008, 11:25 AM

Sharks win their 11th straight :wow:

We get spanked by WSH :csad:

Crosby out another week :o

QueerMike

03-15-2008, 11:41 AM

QueerMike

03-15-2008, 11:49 AM

Anyone else heard of this guy?

Fabian Brunnstrom, the next Daniel Alfredsson?

http://www.thehockeynews.com/imgs/dynamique/photos/300/article_11323_5.jpg (http://www.thehockeynews.com/imgs/dynamique/photos/original/article_11323_5.jpg)
Fabian Brunnstrom has a lot of NHL GMs interested in his services. (Photo by Bruce Jessop/IHA)

Ken Campbell
2007-11-23 13:54:15

Fabian Brunnstrom may not turn out to be the next Daniel Alfredsson, but apparently a ton of NHL teams aren't willing to take a chance on being wrong about him.

In fact, one assistant GM reckons every team in the NHL is probably after Brunnstrom, a little-known 22-year-old rookie for Farjestad in the Swedish Elite League. That's because Brunnstrom is just now developing into a legitimate NHL prospect and now that European players are subject to the same draft rules as North Americans under the new collective bargaining agreement, he is an unrestricted free agent (take a look at this YouTube video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Egn5TgMnic4) for a small sample of his skill level).

"He's the first of a lot of players from Europe you're going to see in this situation," said the assistant GM. "It used to be you waited for European players. Lots of times you would draft them and keep them over there for four or five years to see how they develop. Well, you can't do that anymore."

Brunnstrom, a 6-foot-1, 195-pound forward, is a classic late bloomer. Last season he was playing First Division in Sweden, which is two steps under the Elite League and was a star at that level, which prompted Farjestad to sign him this season. He skates very well and his three goals and 13 points in 21 games are probably not a clear indication of how good he is offensively.

One scout said it's doubtful Brunnstrom could step in and play on an NHL team's top two lines right now, but he is seen as a good prospect with a lot of upside. And remember, there are a number of hockey executives who still wake up in a cold sweat over not paying more attention to Alfredsson, who was drafted 133rd overall by the Ottawa Senators as a 21-year-old in 1994.

"He's coming pretty much from nowhere," said Farjestad GM Hakan Loob. "Mentally, he has grown strong in the past year, but he has the potential to become mentally stronger. He looks like he has been in the Elite League for a couple of years the way he moves the puck and skates and everything like that."

Loob did acknowledge that Brunnstrom has faltered a little after a fast start, so rushing him into the NHL would not be a wise idea.

"If they treat him the right way, I think he's got a good future ahead of him," Loob said. "But if he's thrown into the NHL too soon, he might not do anything."
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Apparently Detroit is the favorite to sign him and I think that really sucks for the rest of the NHL if he turns out to be anything like Daniel Alfredsson. This guy with Zetterberg and Datysuk makes Detroit really scarey.
Here's some more recent news on Brunnstrom:

Swedish star in Leafs' crosshairs?
Brunnstrom attracting attention from Detroit, Toronto after showing promise in Elite league

Feb 08, 2008 04:30 AM
Kevin McGran
SPORTS REPORTER

When he was 19 years old, Fabian Brunnstrom crashed out of Sweden's Allsvenskan hockey league, a division below the Elite league.

Not only was the NHL not interested, neither were the top coaches and scouts in Sweden.

Then Brunnstrom did something remarkable. In accepting a demotion to Division One, Brunnstrom made not only a commitment to hockey, but to himself.
"From that point he said to himself, `I try to go and play like a hockey player,'" says legendary Swedish player Tommy Samuelsson. "`I go 100 per cent, focus 100 per cent to see how good I can be.'

"He made that decision. From that moment, everything has gone just great for him. That was a good decision for his career."

Samuelsson, now coach of Farjestad of Sweden's Elite league, was impressed. He signed Brunnstrom on the spot after watching him play in a Division One game last season.

"He plays like those Slovakian players, like (Marian) Gaborik and (Marian) Hossa," says Samuelsson. "He has that potential and more. He's extremely explosive. When he starts skating and he can beat a guy with his speed. He has good hands, good eyes. He scores goals and he sets up other players to score."

The rest of the hockey world is impressed, too. Brunnstrom may be hockey's most talked about, most coveted Swedish free agent, the guy whose name is on every GM's lips.

The lineup of interested parties, believed to be at least 25 NHL teams long, begins with the Toronto Maple Leafs and Detroit Red Wings, two of the teams said to be on his personal short list of about five. Both franchises were among the first to show interest in his skills. Both franchises have a long, positive history with Swedish players and both have been using their current Swedish stars to woo him.

"He uses his size and quickness to his advantage," says an NHL assistant GM who has scouted the 6-foot-1, 205-pound Brunnstrom. "He'll pull guys to him to make a quick play and then dishes it to the open guy; he's really good at that."

The 22-year-old Brunnstrom declined an opportunity to be interviewed, relaying through Samuelsson that he wanted to concentrate on playing for Farjestad rather than worry about the NHL.

Brunnstrom and his agent, J.P. Barry, have few strings to pull other than Brunnstrom choosing what team he wants to play for. As part of the NHL's collective bargaining agreement, he's subject to the league maximum salary, $875,000 (U.S.) a year, next season.
Brunnstrom has eight goals and 25 assists in 42 games this season, decent numbers considering he got off to a slow start.

Samuelsson would rather Brunnstrom remain in Sweden another year, saying it would be better for his development.

"I hope he stays one more year because everything has happened so fast with him," says Samuelsson. "He's coming from two levels under. To get ready for National Hockey League, it would be good for him to stay one more year, especially on the mental side, so he can be strong and withstand some hard times."
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Wow. So far I've heard him compared to Daniel Alfredsson, Marion Gaborik, and Marian Hossa. If this guy lives up to expectations he will make whatever team he chooses better.

QueerMike

03-15-2008, 12:02 PM

Here's some more recent news on Brunnstrom:

Swedish star in Leafs' crosshairs?
Brunnstrom attracting attention from Detroit, Toronto after showing promise in Elite league

Feb 08, 2008 04:30 AM
Kevin McGran
SPORTS REPORTER

When he was 19 years old, Fabian Brunnstrom crashed out of Sweden's Allsvenskan hockey league, a division below the Elite league.

Not only was the NHL not interested, neither were the top coaches and scouts in Sweden.

Then Brunnstrom did something remarkable. In accepting a demotion to Division One, Brunnstrom made not only a commitment to hockey, but to himself.
"From that point he said to himself, `I try to go and play like a hockey player,'" says legendary Swedish player Tommy Samuelsson. "`I go 100 per cent, focus 100 per cent to see how good I can be.'

"He made that decision. From that moment, everything has gone just great for him. That was a good decision for his career."

Samuelsson, now coach of Farjestad of Sweden's Elite league, was impressed. He signed Brunnstrom on the spot after watching him play in a Division One game last season.

"He plays like those Slovakian players, like (Marian) Gaborik and (Marian) Hossa," says Samuelsson. "He has that potential and more. He's extremely explosive. When he starts skating and he can beat a guy with his speed. He has good hands, good eyes. He scores goals and he sets up other players to score."

The rest of the hockey world is impressed, too. Brunnstrom may be hockey's most talked about, most coveted Swedish free agent, the guy whose name is on every GM's lips.

The lineup of interested parties, believed to be at least 25 NHL teams long, begins with the Toronto Maple Leafs and Detroit Red Wings, two of the teams said to be on his personal short list of about five. Both franchises were among the first to show interest in his skills. Both franchises have a long, positive history with Swedish players and both have been using their current Swedish stars to woo him.

"He uses his size and quickness to his advantage," says an NHL assistant GM who has scouted the 6-foot-1, 205-pound Brunnstrom. "He'll pull guys to him to make a quick play and then dishes it to the open guy; he's really good at that."

The 22-year-old Brunnstrom declined an opportunity to be interviewed, relaying through Samuelsson that he wanted to concentrate on playing for Farjestad rather than worry about the NHL.

Brunnstrom and his agent, J.P. Barry, have few strings to pull other than Brunnstrom choosing what team he wants to play for. As part of the NHL's collective bargaining agreement, he's subject to the league maximum salary, $875,000 (U.S.) a year, next season.
Brunnstrom has eight goals and 25 assists in 42 games this season, decent numbers considering he got off to a slow start.

Samuelsson would rather Brunnstrom remain in Sweden another year, saying it would be better for his development.

"I hope he stays one more year because everything has happened so fast with him," says Samuelsson. "He's coming from two levels under. To get ready for National Hockey League, it would be good for him to stay one more year, especially on the mental side, so he can be strong and withstand some hard times."
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Wow. So far I've heard him compared to Daniel Alfredsson, Marion Gaborik, and Marian Hossa. If this guy lives up to expectations he will make whatever team he chooses better.

And, even more:

Interesting blurb from the Freep’s Helen St. James today (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080126/BLOG09/80126038):"The Wings are, however, believed to have secured the services of Fabian Brunnstrom, an almost 23-year-old forward who’s become a star in the Swedish Elite League. They’re on a level playing field with other NHL clubs as to what contract can be offered, but have the advantage in offering him a locker room filled with seven countrymen."
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So, apparently, Detroit has signed him. Or am I reading wrong?

TLH

03-15-2008, 12:51 PM

Right up Detroit's alley. A swede.

Themanofbat

03-15-2008, 02:45 PM

You're going to be more sad if Kolzig plays on Sunday and you're eliminated by the Penguins in fantasy. We were supposed to meet in the final!

Kolzig is playing pretty hot in his last 4 starts, so I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the start. Khabibulin might also play on Sunday as well, but I'm only down 0.03% on save percentages, so I can still sqeak that one out if my guys play well, and they don't...

Also, it's pretty close on some other stats, so it'll be interesting to see what happens after Sunday night.

You're down by a couple of wins, so if we're destined to meet in the finals, you better hope for a good Sat/Sun games by your guys...

:csad:

Poeman

03-15-2008, 03:53 PM

I see brunnstrum signing with the rangers

TLH

03-15-2008, 07:35 PM

Nice avvy Poeman...but creepy. :hehe:

Showtime

03-15-2008, 10:38 PM

http://cdn.nhl.com/bruins/images/upload/2008/01/Ferrance_010308.jpg

Bruins over the Flyers in OT.

TLH

03-15-2008, 11:00 PM

I miss Ference...and Kobasew. Glad to see they're doing well in Boston.

NewYorkSpider

03-15-2008, 11:23 PM

Bruins over the Flyers in OT.

Why are all Boston teams big bullies to mine? :csad:

Showtime

03-16-2008, 12:33 AM

We eat a lot of Lobstah.

TLH

03-16-2008, 11:18 AM

We eat a lot of Lobstah.

:pal: Good one

Shifty

03-16-2008, 03:02 PM

Penguins 7 Flyers 1

And that's without Crosby. Philly is on a 4 game losing streak.