If MOS gets made and is a great film... Will people revisit SR and like/hate it more?

[\S/JcDc\S/]

So if the sequel ends up delivering... Do you think people who disliked it will go back and watch it liking it more...? Or do you think maybe even people that liked SR will find it to be a little underwhelming now?

Just curious what kind of affect a great sequel will have on how SR a good film is perceived in the long run.

[C. Lee]

For the majority of people here.....I believe the ones who hate SR will still hate it and the ones who loved it will still love it.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I dunno. Things that I found more forgiving in SR pre-uber sequel might be less forgiving seeing a much tighter Superman film.

[Matt]

I agree. If a really good sequel is made, something to the calibre of Spider-Man 2 (just an example, lets not debate the quality of Spider-Man 2)...that may cause people to be a little less forgiving about SR's shortcomings.

[Lighthouse]

If I see the SR sequel is drastically better, I'll ask myself why Singer couldn't do the same with SR. Sorry, I don't buy the "setting up characters" line. With X-Men and X2, it was understandable. Fox screwed him on X-Men, and he had much more control on X2. But with SR he had every resource available.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I think that is a real possibility and I say that as an SR fan. Btw Spidey 2 is the best Spidey film to date, not debatable :)

[\S/JcDc\S/]

If the sequel is good I wonder how much backstory will be in it and how much Donner's influence can be left? I mean. It's quite possibile iif Singer is really making his own story and vision with no more nostalgia it could feel like the actual start of the new franchise.

[Matt]

If the sequel is good I wonder how much backstory will be in it and how much Donner's influence can be left? I mean. It's quite possibile iif Singer is really making his own story and vision with no more nostalgia it could feel like the actual start of the new franchise.

But right there you hit a road block. It is a sequel to a Donner sequel. Whether we like it or not, we have real-estate fraud Lex, we have the kid, we have dead Pa Kent...there are too many connections to seperate it from the Pseudo-Donner-verse.

[Lighthouse]

But right there you hit a road block. It is a sequel to a Donner sequel. Whether we like it or not, we have real-estate fraud Lex, we have the kid, we have dead Pa Kent...there are too many connections to seperate it from the Pseudo-Donner-verse.

Way off topic, but this reminded me. For a movie thats supposed to be all about fathers and sons, Jonathon Kent is strangely left out of the entire movie. Not really even mentioned.

[El Payaso]

I hated Spiderman 1 and loved Spiderman 2. It didn't make me like Spiderman 1 though.

[FaT_tONle]

JLA Movie Update
Questions remain over Superman sequel.
by Stax

US, June 24, 2007 - The live-action Justice League of America movie took another step towards becoming a reality earlier this month when the screenplay for the highly anticipated comic book movie was handed in to Warner Bros.

According to Variety, spouses-screenwriting partners Kieran Mulroney and Michele Mulroney delivered their draft to the studio, which was reportedly pleased with it. The trade says the Mulroneys' script includes "a half-dozen of the best-known superheroes working together, including Batman and Superman."

The JLA project, however, poses a bit of a problem for Warners as they must decide whether they will release a JLA movie before the next Superman movie.

Variety asks, "Will a souped-up Justice League prove to be Kryptonite to Superman?" The trade seems to be a bit schizophrenic on the JLA/Superman sequel issue. Variety itself began the Superman sequel doom and gloom last summer when it reported that the sequel was not a sure thing considering Superman Returns' lukewarm domestic box office. Then, when the online community rumored that the Super-sequel might be shelved in favor of JLA, the trade blasted the claims, saying, "Assertion would be on a par with saying Sony or Paramount would put their respective Spider-Man and Indiana Jones properties into turnaround." Now the same paper is asking, "Will superteam eclipse Superman sequel?"

In any case it appears to now be a legitimate concern since Superman director Bryan Singer is about to shoot Valkyrie and there's still no screenplay for the Super-sequel.

WTF???? MOS to get cut??? WB needs a smack in the face if this is true

[Paste Pot Pete]

I think those who truly hate it will probably still hate it.

But it's possible that, seeing how things work in a sequel, they may accept things they didn't beforehand - Jason, for instance. If MOS takes the father/son angle into a great direction, obviously people may look back on SR in a different light.

[Lighthouse]

JLA Movie Update
Questions remain over Superman sequel.
by Stax

US, June 24, 2007 - The live-action Justice League of America movie took another step towards becoming a reality earlier this month when the screenplay for the highly anticipated comic book movie was handed in to Warner Bros.

According to Variety, spouses-screenwriting partners Kieran Mulroney and Michele Mulroney delivered their draft to the studio, which was reportedly pleased with it. The trade says the Mulroneys' script includes "a half-dozen of the best-known superheroes working together, including Batman and Superman."

The JLA project, however, poses a bit of a problem for Warners as they must decide whether they will release a JLA movie before the next Superman movie.

Variety asks, "Will a souped-up Justice League prove to be Kryptonite to Superman?" The trade seems to be a bit schizophrenic on the JLA/Superman sequel issue. Variety itself began the Superman sequel doom and gloom last summer when it reported that the sequel was not a sure thing considering Superman Returns' lukewarm domestic box office. Then, when the online community rumored that the Super-sequel might be shelved in favor of JLA, the trade blasted the claims, saying, "Assertion would be on a par with saying Sony or Paramount would put their respective Spider-Man and Indiana Jones properties into turnaround." Now the same paper is asking, "Will superteam eclipse Superman sequel?"

In any case it appears to now be a legitimate concern since Superman director Bryan Singer is about to shoot Valkyrie and there's still no screenplay for the Super-sequel.

WTF???? MOS to get cut??? WB needs a smack in the face if this is true


I'm really glad IGN picked up on the flip flopping Variety did on this story. They started it, then denied it, then started it again.

[jrd550]

Knowing Singer if MOS is a great film, then I'll probably end up liking SR more... with that said they have to kill the kid

[mego joe]

I think it will all depend on the actual story detail of a this great sequel.

[FaT_tONle]

I'm really glad IGN picked up on the flip flopping Variety did on this story. They started it, then denied it, then started it again.

So is this report BS or no?

[FlawlessVictory]

Knowing Singer if MOS is a great film, then I'll probably end up liking SR more... with that said they have to kill the kid

IMO, I feel this kid was one of the worst ideas ever put in a comic book film. It has really dampened my hopes for the sequel. I just can't get too excited knowing part of this movie will have to deal with the development of this character which I have absolutely 0% interest in. Also, the kid will lose a lot of his cute factor in the next film as he will be 3-4 years older which will make the whole father and son relationship between him and Superman look even stranger for me(as I thought Brandon was just way too young looking for a returns and being a father story in SR).

To have this kid introduced/thrusted in a soap opera who's your daddy type atmosphere is a total turn off to me. Sure, it creates drama, but is it the right drama and tone for a Superman movie, I don't think it is. MOS would have to be a ridiculously fantastic movie for me to really like SR and appreciate how certain storylines were set up. I don't see it happening though. I'm so up and down on this movie but lately this movie has really soured on me. Real estate Lex, the kid, the storylines, I just don't care enough about them to really want a sequel to them. It's why I just don't have the high hopes for MOS even if by some miracle we get a new villain who isn't Zod.

[VenomsMom]

IMO, I feel this kid was one of the worst ideas ever put in a comic book film. It has really dampened my hopes for the sequel. I just can't get too excited knowing part of this movie will have to deal with the development of this character which I have absolutely 0% interest in. Also, the kid will lose a lot of his cute factor in the next film as he will be 3-4 years older which will make the whole father and son relationship between him and Superman look even stranger for me(as I thought Brandon was just way too young looking for a returns and being a father story in SR).

To have this kid introduced/thrusted in a soap opera who's your daddy type atmosphere is a total turn off to me. Sure, it creates drama, but is it the right drama and tone for a Superman movie, I don't think it is. MOS would have to be a ridiculously fantastic movie for me to really like SR and appreciate how certain storylines were set up. I don't see it happening though. I'm so up and down on this movie but lately this movie has really soured on me. Real estate Lex, the kid, the storylines, I just don't care enough about them to really want a sequel to them. It's why I just don't have the high hopes for MOS even if by some miracle we get a new villain who isn't Zod.
I agree with every word you just posted in this statement. Flawless post.

[Showtime]

That is why they call him Flaweless...

[TheComicbookKid]

I doubt it. I've didn't like Batman Returns as a kid. Now that I'm older, I get it better, but I stilll don't enjoy it like Batman.

[VenomsMom]

That is why they call him Flaweless...
Yes...but of course.

[Justice Bringer]

I cant respect fans who would flipflop and change their opinions on a film from time to time; especially based on circumstances unrelated to the actual film itself. Everyone here has seen SR enough times to form an opinion on it; the sequel shouldnt change that.

[LexLuthor]

IMO, I feel this kid was one of the worst ideas ever put in a comic book film. It has really dampened my hopes for the sequel. I just can't get too excited knowing part of this movie will have to deal with the development of this character which I have absolutely 0% interest in. Also, the kid will lose a lot of his cute factor in the next film as he will be 3-4 years older which will make the whole father and son relationship between him and Superman look even stranger for me(as I thought Brandon was just way too young looking for a returns and being a father story in SR).

To have this kid introduced/thrusted in a soap opera who's your daddy type atmosphere is a total turn off to me. Sure, it creates drama, but is it the right drama and tone for a Superman movie, I don't think it is. MOS would have to be a ridiculously fantastic movie for me to really like SR and appreciate how certain storylines were set up. I don't see it happening though. I'm so up and down on this movie but lately this movie has really soured on me. Real estate Lex, the kid, the storylines, I just don't care enough about them to really want a sequel to them. It's why I just don't have the high hopes for MOS even if by some miracle we get a new villain who isn't Zod.


:up: Cosigned.

[Mr. Socko]

Not many would change their opinion on a previous installment because the newer one is good, well not me atleast.

[bgshw44]

for me, if the sequel is huge, which i pray it is, then i will still view SR the same( a great premise poorly excecuted)

[griffolyon12]

I loved SR,and if the sequel is awful I think it might detract from my enjoyment of the original.Because I find it hard watching a movie with a sequel I didn't like and getting past the fact that I know what happens next in the story and I don't like it.Still regardless I believe in Singer and really think the sequel will be amazing.

[FlawlessVictory]

That is why they call him Flaweless...

:yay:

[Paste Pot Pete]

I loved SR,and if the sequel is awful I think it might detract from my enjoyment of the original.Because I find it hard watching a movie with a sequel I didn't like and getting past the fact that I know what happens next in the story and I don't like it.Still regardless I believe in Singer and really think the sequel will be amazing.

That's how I feel about the first two X-Men movies, unfortunately. The Last Stand almost completely ruined my enjoyment of them, which is a shame because it's no fault of Singer or his movies.

[Lightning54SC]

im waiting for the edited verison before i make my mind up

[bgshw44]

im waiting for the edited verison before i make my mind up
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same here

[Robin91939]

The answer to the topic of the thread really depends on this:

How much does Superman Returns add to The Man of Steel. Is the sequel able to stand well on its own or are the things set up in Superman Returns a lot of what gives its successor resonants and weight.

-R

[blind_fury]

Sequels don't change my opinion of a previous film.

I enjoyed Attack of the Clones more than Phantom Menace but I still hate the Phantom Menace.

[manofsteel4life]

i dont think a damn thing will change....people who loved it will love it more and people who hated it will still hate it. Things will change for the people who were soso about it

[Steelsheen]

folks will definitely revisit SR. depending on the story of MOS, it could change some perceptions on the previous film.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I won't change my opinion at all and I find the mere idea that it might laughable. It's a mediocre movie to me end of story.

I honestly think that it's impossible for Singer to make a great action adventure film, he's too bland.

[mjbull23]

Irrespective of how strong or weak the Man of Steel turns out to be. It won't dampen my fondness for Returns. To me, it will always be a quality Superman film.

[X Knight]

for me, Singer would have to do something really drastic and unexpected in the sequel, something that would really change our peception of the story in SR, for me to like the 1st one.

For example, if Singer reveals the events of SR were not real, but some Braniac created altered reality. Or, revealing that Jason is not really Superman's son, but Zod's ( ala Donner's Action Comics storyline ).....

I know that that would really be pushing it.........and I doubt it would happen. But, that's really the only thing that would make me see SR in a different lite.

If the sequel carries the existing story forward.....then neither the original nor the sequel will interest me......no matter how much action the sequel has...

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Interesting slightly related... A friend of mine saw SR in the theatre and didn't love it. He bought the DVD for the heck of it (he got it new for $6) and now says he's been watching it over and over. :confused: He attributes the length of the film and loud Superman fans as annoying him at screening last year.

[Super Kal]

no matter how good or bad MOS does, I'm still going to dislike SR

[Spider-Fan83]

i would be happy to get a good MOS:movie, but, it wouldn't change how i feel about SR, no
i do hope it is a better movie that i can enjoy, and i look forward too when we start to here more about it (and if i start to hear things i don't like, then all hope is lost lol)

[C. Lee]

Interesting slightly related... A friend of mine saw SR in the theatre and didn't love it. He bought the DVD for the heck of it (he got it new for $6) and now says he's been watching it over and over. :confused: He attributes the length of the film and loud Superman fans as annoying him at screening last year.

Stuff like that happens. Over the years there have been movies that I originally liked or disliked....and upon seeing them years later, my opinion on them changes.

[griffolyon12]

Stuff like that happens. Over the years there have been movies that I originally liked or disliked....and upon seeing them years later, my opinion on them changes.Same here.

[Binker]

I don't know if people would want my opinion but there are two theories:

1) SR2 delievers and the SR-haters will go back and look at SR and go "hmm, you know what? Its not really a bad movie".

2) SR2 delievers, and the SR-haters will complain more and say "why in the hell would Singer not do that in SR?!"

[Superknight]

I already hate MOS, and I've just seen the behind the scene pics. the new Suit is well.... in a word....**y. it stretches over and creates an outline of his "ahem", and is trying too hard to be the Earth 2 Superman's suit

[jpharrah]

I'm not that fussy over anything really when it comes to superman (yes as cheesy as they are i like superman 3 and 4) ive liked every adaptation of him on the big screen and on the small screen (smallville is probably my least favorite from season 4-10 season 1-3 i love so much) That said....

I think the more i see MOS the more I like it and see the errors of Superman Returns Although I still love it arguably as much as i love S:TM I just have a feeling I'll find it boring compared to MOS...MOS seems from what I gather will have more action and seems like it will reall explore that transition from Farmboy clark to Superman clark something we havent really had on the big screen ..

and after reading what MD had in mind for a sequel to SR Im glad its kind of done with... and feel it sort of ends the Donnerverse.