Transformers Animated: Diminished Role for Decepticons

[cosmicherosa]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33164

Cartoon and Hasbro execs said the new series, "Transformers Animated," will be significantly different than the others, adding humor, never-before-seen characters and a new premise in which the Autobots fight evil humans in Superhero fashion much more frequently than they battle the Decepticons -- the traditional "Transformers" lore since the property launched as a toy in 1984.

"We've used the basic Transformers and characters as a springboard, but then we're pretty much reimagining the whole thing," said Bob Higgins, senior vp programming and development at Cartoon Network. "What we're doing with it is basically turning it into a superheroes story. We're really excited that we're able to take this decades-old property and hopefully turn it into something that kids haven't seen or expected from a Transformers series before."





Well....discuss. This craps all over my childhood.

[ShadowBoxing]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33164




Well....discuss. This craps all over my childhood.
Funny thing is, that is nothing new. The original comics featured the Neo-Knights and "evil humans" like Joey Slick and the Mechanic quiet frequently. The original show had Dr. Archaville (Arch-villain), Snake (who was actually Cobra Commander), Mr Drath, The Nebulons (who were "human"), Abdul Fakkhati, and a few humanoid aliens as recurring villains. Beast Wars and Beast Machines are the only two shows thus far that have lacked humans (besides human ancestors) as both heroes and villains.

[mystory64]

The worst if it is the art style....

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n204/Chaotix12345/scan_05.jpg

Oh Dear God :csad:

[Casius--J]

The worst if it is the art style....

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n204/Chaotix12345/scan_05.jpg

Oh Dear God :csad:

Seriously though, WTF is that???

Cant someone tell me what exactly is going on with transformers these days? Just no care is being taken into these characters anymore.

[Dope Nose]

Funny thing is, that is nothing new. The original comics featured the Neo-Knights and "evil humans" like Joey Slick and the Mechanic quiet frequently. The original show had Dr. Archaville (Arch-villain), Snake (who was actually Cobra Commander), Mr Drath, The Nebulons (who were "human"), Abdul Fakkhati, and a few humanoid aliens as recurring villains. Beast Wars and Beast Machines are the only two shows thus far that have lacked humans (besides human ancestors) as both heroes and villains.

don't forget Circuit Breaker and Lord Chumley.

[Symbiote Hulk]

Holy ****!!! This Is Gonna Be So ****ing Gay!!!

[Dope Nose]

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/6659/44182467ff7c4cce21fn4.jpg

[ShadowBoxing]

don't forget Circuit Breaker and Lord Chumley.
Of course Lord Chumley, how could I forget him:oldrazz: ...but Circuit Breaker was part (became) of the Neo Knights.

[Grievous]

I'm not going to be watching this show when it comes out.

[Avangarde]

Could things get any worse?

[Denny67]

Animation has gotten so damn cheap and lazy these days. :whatever:

[blind_fury]

The G1 Optimus Prime's reaction.


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[Mr. Socko]

Why must they ruin everything with the crappy animation they use these days?

[Grievous]

Animation has gotten so damn cheap and lazy these days. :whatever:
I know, I wish we would get another good show like we did back in the day.

[ShadowBoxing]

I know, I wish we would get another good show like we did back in the day.
Actually to be honest, animation has gotten better. I mean the original TF show shipped the animation out to Korean animators and we'd continually get stuff like this.
http://www.seibertron.com/images/cartoon/01/episodes/ep28/core221.jpg (http://www.seibertron.com/cartoons/image.php?image_id=10144)
http://www.seibertron.com/images/cartoon/01/episodes/ep61/cosmicrust488.jpg (http://www.seibertron.com/cartoons/image.php?image_id=25972)
However I will say that the best stuff we've ever gotten hands down in Beast Wars and Beast Machines which was all CGI. Now that stuff should've been continued. I was never sure why they abandoned that type of animation.

[lars573]

Because the Japanese were late to the game with CG animation.

[ShadowBoxing]

Because the Japanese were late to the game with CG animation.
Yeah but there aren't a lot of cartoons in america being animated that way now (actually to be fair all that CGI stuff came from Canada -- which may explain why we don't see it as much, it's quiet possible they've abandoned using Canadian animators).

[lars573]

Acutally most of the animation you watch these days is CG. Just 2D not 3D. Cell shaded 2D is much quicker to animate (and therefore cheaper) than 3D. Not requiring the massive amounts of rendering and processing.

[ShadowBoxing]

Acutally most of the animation you watch these days is CG. Just 2D not 3D. Cell shaded 2D is much quicker to animate (and therefore cheaper) than 3D. Not requiring the massive amounts of rendering and processing.Ah.

[Danger Mouse]

Ooh, Optimus has sideburns and a goatee!

Well, artwork aside, I'm gonna watch the first episode before passing judgment on the quality of the story.

I think what they're doing is emulating what the Teen Titans have become.

[The Infernal]

Less Decepticons? Who was smoking what when that got passed?

Also, the art is hideous. It might work for Teen Titans or similar, but not for what Transformers should be. I don't think many of the fans of the original will be able to stomach sitting through that. Looks like this one is strictly for the kids.

[UltimateJustin]

Actually to be honest, animation has gotten better. I mean the original TF show shipped the animation out to Korean animators and we'd continually get stuff like this.
http://www.seibertron.com/images/cartoon/01/episodes/ep28/core221.jpg (http://www.seibertron.com/cartoons/image.php?image_id=10144)
http://www.seibertron.com/images/cartoon/01/episodes/ep61/cosmicrust488.jpg (http://www.seibertron.com/cartoons/image.php?image_id=25972)
However I will say that the best stuff we've ever gotten hands down in Beast Wars and Beast Machines which was all CGI. Now that stuff should've been continued. I was never sure why they abandoned that type of animation.

The animation was questionable at times, but then they were just well designed characters dealing with bad animation. The new character designs are unwatchable no matter how they'll be animated.

[lars573]

The animation was questionable at times, but then they were just well designed characters dealing with bad animation. The new character designs are unwatchable no matter how they'll be animated.
Incorrect. The story is what will make or break this show.

[Dope Nose]

it's his opinion. it's not "incorrect".

[lars573]

Opinions can be incorrect.

[deathshead2]

Im going to take a wild guess and think the transforming gimmik of transformers is gone now. Because I have no idea how there going to make toys that can transform out of those. :huh: I must say the animation looks neat thou. It should look cool moving. But it does make me a little sick with all the ripoff-anime stuff we've been getting lately. Relly wish anime wasn't so popular so we could get ourselves out of this mess.

[Dope Nose]

Opinions can be incorrect.

here's the definition of "opinion" according to Princeton University -

"a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty."

if UltimateJustin feels that he's unable to watch the new series due to the character designs, who are you to tell him that he's wrong?

[ShadowBoxing]

Im going to take a wild guess and think the transforming gimmik of transformers is gone now. Because I have no idea how there going to make toys that can transform out of those...Simple, much like G1 they will make toys that don't look like the art in the show.

[lars573]

here's the definition of "opinion" according to Princeton University -

"a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty."

if UltimateJustin feels that he's unable to watch the new series due to the character designs, who are you to tell him that he's wrong?
Who better than me. :ninja:

[GL1]

here's the definition of "opinion" according to Princeton University -

"a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty."

if UltimateJustin feels that he's unable to watch the new series due to the character designs, who are you to tell him that he's wrong?

Hmmm... sounds like a semantic arguement. So, if I feel the sky is green (as I do from time to time), and the sky is clearly not green, is my opinion correct or incorrect?

[Nathan]

But it does make me a little sick with all the ripoff-anime stuff we've been getting lately. Relly wish anime wasn't so popular so we could get ourselves out of this mess.

If they'd only rip-off the right anime.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3889/gundamgg5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[VaderRISE]

^Agreed. I have NO problem with something copying GOOD anime style. Not all anime is this Yugioh crap. If a new "adult" Transformers cartoon came out in the style of Gundam....I would LOVE it.

By adult I mean along the lines of the movie, PG-13 if you will.

[M.O.Steel]

Hmmm... sounds like a semantic arguement. So, if I feel the sky is green (as I do from time to time), and the sky is clearly not green, is my opinion correct or incorrect?

Thats' not an opinion. That's false fact. you thinking the sky looks better during the day than at night, then that's an opnion.

[Spidey-Bat]

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/6659/44182467ff7c4cce21fn4.jpg

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/4296/suicide3xz4.gif

[Nathan]

http://www.my-smileys.de/smileys3/brutal_5.gif

[lars573]

So the Hasbro panel at Botcon revealed that Blitzwing is going to be in the show and that 3 Dinobots are as well. As well the voice cast list hints at the Constructicons being in as well as Blackarachnia.

[Daredevil_2003]

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/4296/suicide3xz4.gif lol I like that smiley

Anywho...that art is terrible. I'm not gonna write off the whole show until I see an episode or two, but the visuals are definitely...crap.

[ShadowBoxing]

So the Hasbro panel at Botcon revealed that Blitzwing is going to be in the show and that 3 Dinobots are as well. As well the voice cast list hints at the Constructicons being in as well as Blackarachnia.
They seemed to suggest Grimlock looked like his G1 self, and many of the potential Beast Wars cameos (potentially including Dinobot and Waspinator) would be in some way [it seemed] related to their originals.

Either way the show intrigues me.

Oh and in other great news Classics 2.0 (now being expanded to being a new Universe line) will include a G1 Prowl, Blue/Silverstreak and potentially a Classics Ironhide...happy day:woot:

[Spidey-Bat]

They may have some Beast Wars characters in it? Now I am interested. They better not screw it up :o

[ShadowBoxing]

They may have some Beast Wars characters in it? Now I am interested. They better not screw it up :oObviously, no one is excited about the art. But such is Transformers, they tend to follow some kind of artistic trend in cartoons. And trust me, Transformers isn't the first or the last toon that will fall prey to "Teen Titans animation syndrom", or TTAS for short.

However, the show has a writer from Beast Machines which is great because that show was well written (even if you didn't like it, it was well written).

[VaderRISE]

Man....now I'm going to have to watch it. Hope I can get past the art.

[Spidey-Bat]

Beast Machines did have a good story line. Though it was better to look at then this crap :o

[Nathan]

I enjoyed Beast Wars, but Beast Machines got too philosophical for me. And the ugly robot designs didn't help it.

[Darth Rockwell]

I don't know as I look at the animation it is starting to grow on me. Just wish I could see it in action instead of stationary pictures.

[ShadowBoxing]

I don't know as I look at the animation it is starting to grow on me. Just wish I could see it in action instead of stationary pictures.
I don't know that it grows on me but I understand why it looked the way it does. G1 got it's animation from G.I.Joe. Beast Wars and Beast Machines were influenced by the popular Canadian animated Reboot. Armada in both gimmick and animation was influenced by Pokemon. Energon and Cybertron was influenced largely by a trend in anime that was going on at the time where they would mess computer cgi with cell animation. Transformers, as are most cartoons, doesn't set trends in animation...it follows them. Whatever is popular or profitable, in this case Teen Titans, will ultimately influence the art and potentially stories and themes of cartoons around them. And this will pass in time onto some new style, and maybe we'll b*tch about it too...and say "oh why couldn't they animate shows like Teen Titans anymore".

[lars573]

Beast Wars and Beast Machines were produced by the same company as the popular Canadian animated series Reboot.
Fixed.

[ShadowBoxing]

Fixed.
Yeah I knew that....but I was talking about how popular animation influences other popular animation. The fact that it was the same people attached to both shows was immaterial to my point.