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avidreader

07-18-2007, 11:15 AM

Doubt their going to let Kristin go considering AlMiles used to be so obessessed with her and all or at least that was the way talk was on the Ksite boards.

You know Twoppers and Ksiters always say this about AlMiles and Kristin, and I've never seen any interview that supports this theory.

I'm not saying they think the opposite, but I dont think they've talked about her any more than any other actor on the show.

It was David Nutter on the commentary for the Pilot that was gushing about her, and it was Greg Beeman and Michael Rosenbaum who were gushing about her on the commentary for Exile.

So I've never been clear on where this line of thought comes from.

TwilightPro101

07-18-2007, 12:59 PM

You know Twoppers and Ksiters always say this about AlMiles and Kristin, and I've never seen any interview that supports this theory.

I'm not saying they think the opposite, but I dont think they've talked about her any more than any other actor on the show.

It was David Nutter on the commentary for the Pilot that was gushing about her, and it was Greg Beeman and Michael Rosenbaum who were gushing about her on the commentary for Exile.

So I've never been clear on where this line of thought comes from.

All I truly know is that they love Chloe and that's something that I don't blame them for.

COMPO

07-18-2007, 01:02 PM

Yes, they all love Chloe. But, seriously when is she going to die or leave Smallville?

TwilightPro101

07-18-2007, 01:04 PM

That's topped the list of questions to be unsolved until the writers feel like dealing with for both Lionel and Chloe.

COMPO

07-18-2007, 01:05 PM

Yeah, and we thought Lionel was going to die in Promise. How dare they torture us.

JAX

07-18-2007, 01:06 PM

Which I hope is never.

TwilightPro101

07-18-2007, 01:07 PM

With Chloe being brought into the comics, I'm doubting they'll kill her off at this point more than anything, but the speculation is all open game.

JAX

07-18-2007, 01:07 PM

Yeah, and we thought Lionel was going to die in Promise. How dare they torture us.

Its too bad they hardly used him Season 6.

TwilightPro101

07-18-2007, 01:08 PM

Its too bad they hardly used him Season 6.

And now, he's suddenly the Emissary of Jor-El, so they have a reason to keep him around longer.

JAX

07-18-2007, 01:12 PM

And now, he's suddenly the Emissary of Jor-El, so they have a reason to keep him around longer.

I'm a big advocate of him staying on. My grudge was why start a story with the whole Jor-el possession and semi continue it in episodes scattered throughout the season 6, all while giving no definitive conclusion. All in all he is a great character, and with the addition of Kara it should be an interesting season. I just hope they do more mytho's than S6

TwilightPro101

07-18-2007, 01:16 PM

I'm a big advocate of him staying on. My grudge was why start a story with the whole Jor-el possession and semi continue it in episodes scattered throughout the season 6, all while giving no definitive conclusion. All in all he is a great character, and with the addition of Kara it should be an interesting season. I just hope they do more mytho's than S6

Here's to hoping. I just look for Lex to fully take a stand against him and end his life, when the time comes for it to truly make the evil force that he is.

JAX

07-18-2007, 01:39 PM

Here's to hoping. I just look for Lex to fully take a stand against him and end his life, when the time comes for it to truly make the evil force that he is.

I think thats exactly what will happen.

TwilightPro101

07-18-2007, 01:46 PM

I think thats exactly what will happen.

I just hope they do it, without a second thought. Make Lex a complex shell that wants nothing more than his goals completed.

JAX

07-18-2007, 01:53 PM

I just hope they do it, without a second thought. Make Lex a complex shell that wants nothing more than his goals completed.

Yes. For him turn 100%, he must kill Lionel. No argument there. How they should do it is another question.

TwilightPro101

07-18-2007, 02:01 PM

Yes. For him turn 100%, he must kill Lionel. No argument there. How they should do it is another question.

Just going to wait and see how it happens. At best, he's got one more season to live.

COMPO

07-18-2007, 02:04 PM

then, he shall die.

JAX

07-18-2007, 02:06 PM

Just going to wait and see how it happens. At best, he's got one more season to live.

Yea he'll be dead by S7 finale

Serene

07-18-2007, 02:37 PM

Doubt their going to let Kristin go considering AlMiles used to be so obessessed with her and all or at least that was the way talk was on the Ksite boards.

Such a bullcrap line of thinking, borne from people who simply don't like the character and wish someone else was the leading lady. Lana is/was the lead female character on the show, therefore there is always resentment that she overshadows those who... aren't.

Sadly enough, it seems like a lot of the Lana Hate is now spilling over onto Lois - since she dares to possibly overshadow Chloe now.

So much fan hate - it's really getting old. I find that I like pretty much ALL the characters at this point in the series. Of course, Lana is still my favorite of the females, but that doesn't mean that I have to hate Lois or Chloe. I actually love Lois lately, and I've become a lot more fond of Chloe, although my jurie's still out on how I feel about her newfound ability.

Maybe I'm just weary of doing the fan thing. There's so much more negative discussion than positive.

TwilightPro101

07-18-2007, 02:52 PM

Such a bullcrap line of thinking, borne from people who simply don't like the character and wish someone else was the leading lady. Lana is/was the lead female character on the show, therefore there is always resentment that she overshadows those who... aren't.

Sadly enough, it seems like a lot of the Lana Hate is now spilling over onto Lois - since she dares to possibly overshadow Chloe now.

So much fan hate - it's really getting old. I find that I like pretty much ALL the characters at this point in the series. Of course, Lana is still my favorite of the females, but that doesn't mean that I have to hate Lois or Chloe. I actually love Lois lately, and I've become a lot more fond of Chloe, although my jurie's still out on how I feel about her newfound ability.

Maybe I'm just weary of doing the fan thing. There's so much more negative discussion than positive.

That's just the way the talk used to be on the board over there. Don't if it still is since I haven't been over there in ages except to get the occasional wallpaper or artwork.

That site alone is known for issues galore between the ships and the hatred of the characters.

The positives are still the positives.

heliorei

07-19-2007, 03:50 PM

Keep in mind, they changed DeKnight's ending so much so that he didn't even want to watch the episode.

From DeKnight's blog:

SDK: I'm considering never watching [Prototype] and leaving my egress a personal mystery, so your comments are probably as close as I'll ever get to it...

Jordan: I'm not sure why you don't want to watch the episode. Sometimes that means a writer didn't get to do exactly what he hoped, or something drastic changed...

SDK: I did take a peek at the final battle in one of the network cuts. Not exactly as I wrote it. In the script, Clark does indeed use his superhearing to locate Wes. Wes doesn't decloak until Clark hits him with the heat vision. Why did they change it? Beats me -- I'm off the show.

DeKnight never elaborated on what exactly was in the script, but you could probably e-mail him. He might even respond; he has answered other people's questions about SV, and now that he's off the show, he doesn't have to worry about NDA's. Plus, the episode has already aired, so it shouldn't be an issue.

Aight... [deep breath]... on to the Supergirl crap. Honestly, I have no interest in going point for point any more, so I'm skipping over the last few replies specific to that topic. But I stand by what I said. I just have no desire to debate it any further because quite frankly, I believe I did a good enough job presenting my POV the first time. No need to drill it. :)

If my opinions change, it will be after I see the episodes, not before. So I'll leave it at that. 'Sides, I'd rather discuss things about SV that I love. There's a LOT to talk about, if folks are interested in discussing those things.

That's not what they said at Comic-Con International in San Diego in July of 2004, two months before S4 premiered:

Al Gough: We had a 5 year plan that became a 4 year plan, so we have one year left on it. But it will go on as long as you guys want it to go.

My bad, I want to say:
..when season 4 started, AlMilles were almost sure they wouldn’t get a renewal for season 5

To my knowledge, Gough never elaborated on WHY their plans changed, but there were a lot of things going on during that time. Rumors were rampant, and Gough snapped pretty bad during the subsequent Q&A. I'm guessing there were a lot of things outside of his control, because some questions really exasperated him.

I'm cool with agreeing to disagree, but is there a difference between understanding me and seeing my point?

Just bustin' your balls, Heliore. :p ;)

I actively defend the things I like about the show - the things that wow me and make me giddy. It's amazing how much falls into that category.

I didn't lose it when S6 ended. In fact, I can post links to DeKnight's blog, The Planet, and even posts here where I talk about the long jones through the summer, and how waiting four months to see the S7 premiere was gonna suck, big time. Yes, I AM looking forward to S7. See my recent posts about Phantom/Bizarro, Chloe's new power, Clark and Lana story arcs, and my excitement over a script outline that unfortunately, turned out to be bogus. Just because I'm overly negative about ONE story arc doesn't mean I lost it. But my word, that one story arc seems to be front and center right now, and the more I hear about it, the more I roll my eyes. I do NOT watch the show for Supergirl. Loeb's comic is horrible, and the film with Slater was beyond laughable. In point of fact, I hate the whole idea of Supergirl. Why on EARTH would I want to see her show up in SV? The mind boggles.

Now it’s a completely different thing: You don’t like the supergirl concept at all. I didn’t know that.
Perhaps you like more Clark being the last son of Krypton, in fact, the last survivor, being unique and why you post all those quotes about Clark being able to face his quest all alone.
While I understand, I can’t really agree with you on this particular notion: from my perspective, Clark’s education, being raised by the Kents, that’s what really makes him going into the right direction as Superman.
I know you don’t follow the source material (comics) but if you notice the elseworlds stories, you’ll understand what I’m saying: what if Kal-El was raised in old U.S.S.R (Superman: red Son) or being raised by Darksied (Superman: Dark-Side) really shows how crucial the Kent couple education is in Clark’s destiny.
So, for me, it’s more about education, the morals rather than the fact that he’s alone.
Nobody is asking you or anyone else to watch the show because there’s Supergirl: it should considered a bonus. they will have time to flesh out the character in the spin-off series if that series will be successful.

Despite what you may have heard, I'm not a Smallville apologist. There are things that I haven't liked about the show's stories and characters, and I don't beat around the bush saying so. But such issues have been few and far between, so my SV M.O. has always been the smiling optimist.

Neither Am I and I surely point out both the good and the bad but I always watch first and then judge, something you always do but in this case, isn’t happening because of Supergirl.

But S6 really beat me up. Book ending phenomenal episodes like Justice, Labyrinth and Crimson, there was this amazingly unappealing season-long story arc about Lex and Lana and a non-baby. Oh, and another "hero," who apparently was so important, four of the six extras on the soon-to-be-released DVD focus on him. Kill me. Just kill me now. The best thing that came out of the ENTIRE Lex/Lana nonsense was Lana finding out Clark's secret. And seeing as that they managed to do that in a single episode the prior year (Reckoning), I tend to look back at S6 with a "WTH?" First time ever, mind you. Even S4, with all its Kryptaid, Kryptastic surgery, exploding baby, 400 year-old dead witches and reanimated spirits, was better than S6.

In S4, we got a spectacular flying Kal-El, Lois Lane, Clark in a relationship, Chloe in on the secret, and the freakin' FOS! :eek:

In S6, we got super breath, more evil Lex, a blink-and-you'll-miss-him MM, and a LOT of Green Arrow. Ooooo. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/golfclap.gif

Season 4 had probably the best and the worst episodes: I loved Crusade, Run, Transference, Onyx and Commencement but it also had episodes like Spirit or Ageless.
Green Arrow was a nice addition and served not only for Clark as a little wake up call but also for Lex as a background story for Lex’s past and Lois’s love interest in a way to somehow exploring what could be the future of the relationship between Lois and Superman.. I can’t really complain about Green Arrow presence other than the extras of the DVD season 6 being too much centred on that character when this is Smallville.

Going into S7, we have Supergirl fascinated with iPods, Lois robbing the cradle with the hot new editor of the DP, Supergirl crushing on Jimmy, a new power - for CHLOE, Supergirl being rebellious, Lois and Supergirl on Lex's "radar," Supergirl showing Clark how to fly, sporadic Bizarro... Did I mention Supergirl was showing up? [checks back] Oh yes, I did. Can't miss that now, can we?

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/grump.gif

The thing is, changes are constant on the show and we all know it: last season, the marketing appealed for three (Three!!! WTH?) love triangles: Clark/Lana/Lex; Clark/Lois/Oliver and Clark/Chloe/Jimmy.

Did it really happen? No, of course, not. Only one: Clark/Lana/Lex, the one where Clark was really interested because of Lana. As for Lois, he did discover she was different, not that person he initially thought she was.

As for spoilers? Why not assume the new editor is a Lex’s pawn to keep an eye on Lois? More Bizarro!!! Clark actually trying to fly and when he sees his cousin fly away?

Originally Posted by avidreader
I personally have no interest in watching Clark learn all about his Heritage from some Artificial Intelligence.
You mean like they did in Superman: The Movie? Okay.

I see avidreader’s point. Watching the STM, how much time did they spend covering that aspect? Two minutes, tops…

Clark shows up with the crystal , throws the crystal, he gets the Fortress and he spends the next 12 years, and then Superman.Period.

When Supergirl shows up and tells Clark about their family, it will show what most of the times, this show is really about: human contact, Clark’s bonds, not with some artificial intelligence ( in Smallville’s version) which almost killed Jonathan, kidnapped a teen girl and brainwashed her into believing that she was a kryptonian and told Martha where was no way of getting Clark out of the phantom zone when there was a “secret passage” for Clark to exit.

BTW, I like always to read your opinions and most of the times, I agree with you but in this case, at least, give the benefit of the doubt to the writers when it comes to SuperGirl.

Rorschach2012

07-21-2007, 02:14 AM

this is gonna be good

Syncos

07-21-2007, 07:19 AM

Other than Justice (which I LOVED!), Flash, Cyborg and Aquaman were one offs.

this much is true.

Green Arrow should have been kept to one or two episodes as well - because his purpose was very similar to Aquaman's - but they stretched it WAY too far, IMHO.
The thing about the Arrow, is that besides the story points he had in relitivity to Clark, (which could have been wrapped up in one or two episodes). He was also there to build Lois' character.

Unlike Aquabro who was just a random fling, GA had Lois trying to get to the bottom of the superhero, as well as make her leap into 'real' journalism. This relationship not only foreshadowed, but also mirrored her relationship with Clark. Where she loved Oliver, and was against his alter ego. (much like Lois in the animated world's finest, with Bruce.)[/quote]

Zod *as* "Zod" never appeared corporealy on SV. He possessed Lex. Pity that it ended too soon as it was fun to watch Rosenbaum play over-the-top bad.
Though i'm initially against the zod/luthor hybrid, i agree whole heartedly about Rosenbaum.

Brainiac was sheer delight. I was on-board with the character and Marster's casting since Day One. And I LOATHED Buffy. Brainiac's story arc needed multiple episodes to flesh out because of how involved it was. You couldn't do all of that in one episode. And Brainiac was a villain of the highest order, interacting with the two main characters for which I watch the show: Clark and Lex. Brainiac didn't have side stories in which he dated Lois (Aquaman, Green Arrow) or Chloe, and I don't think he even met Lana. His scenes were all to the heart of the subject. Very meaty. No goofy BS at all.

I'm really torn about Smallville's Brainiac. I hate that he's a disciple of Zod, but I love Marsters' characterization. Also loved his schemes. He brought a much needed serious element.

By contrast, Supergirl's "purpose" (as claimed by G&M) was already covered by Raya in TWO episodes (Zod and Fallout.) They're gonna have her play the stereotypical fish-out-of-water character, make goo goo eyes at Jimmy *snoooooore*, and be a proverbial thorn in Clark's side. THIS is what G&M are telling us. Add the ridiculous campy valley girl characterization to Avid's point about the Green Arrow effect, and I'm already started to get bored. It's probably the least of my issues, but Kara WILL be a budgetary and episodic sponge since the writers will need to "develop" her character at the expense of the main cast's.

I agree in large part about most of this. Hopefully we'll get less than the full 13 episodes with Kara. I think she'd be a welcome addition if they can write a few good stories and not random beauty pageants. But i'd rather they don't oversaturate the show with her. Raya turned out to be a good character that seemed to get killed off too fast. Once they realized that, it was too late. Obviously they're tryin' to fix that.

As for Jimmy, sounds like recent spoilers are sounding more like Jimmy is the one interested. Which is kinda what I expected to begin with. o.O

For the most part, they were. But other than the stand alone episodes - which were all fantastic - supporting character centric episodes often turn out to be snorfests. Look how many people hated Lucy, for example.

I think Lucy is just an example of a bad episode. Afterall, Perry was great.

But to put Supergirl in the same category as Lois Lane is an abomination. Sorry. We all have opinions, and that one is mine. From a purely entertainment point of view, Lois added the love/hate element that epitomizes successful romantic comedies: good, old-fashioned sexual chemistry. It's the 'shippy conflict, the humorous foreshadowing (anvils?), and the clever tid-bits of information the writers like to weave into the character's romantic futures that I re-heeeely enjoy.

Yes. Lois is a good example of a ridiculous decision to bring in a character that shouldn't have been there, that actually worked out extremely well. She isn't always written the best, but she's undoubtedly added to the series. and without a shadow of a doubt was added originally for ratings sake.

Now, I know some viewers may find this surprising, but Clark eventually falls madly in love with Lois, and she falls madly in love with Superman. :p It puts a big geeky smile on my face every time Clark and Lois bust each other's chops. This is delightful entertainment, because a huge part of the fun for me is in the love story. By contrast, Clark mentoring his younger brat cousin will probably drive me insane, much like the shrill Dawn Stiles and her materialistic characterization.

As far as i'm concerned, the show's been missing something since Johnathan died. and it's the mentor/screw up dynamic. I hope they give Clark a chance to actually use some of the wisdom that Johnathan shared.

Meh. Until I see evidence to the contrary - and that might not be until a few episodes into S7, my non appreciation for extended sojourns into Supergirl mythos on bloody SV will be hard to keep to myself, especially if that's all people are talking about.

Hey, that's cool. Opinions are not only welcome, but they're necessary to have any meaningful conversation. It's logical to expect the worst until proven different. Actually, when it comes to the entertainment industry it's a good way to go into things.

I'm sure people are just all over the Kara discussion right now because it's the only thing we've got to go on. Kinda like Bizarro was all the rage when Phantom hit.

Oh, and speaking of other things to talk about, I'll be dredging up another potential piece of re-heeely crappy news in the spoilers thread momentarily. That'll make TWO humongously disappointing things to piss and moan about, and the other one easily trumps Supergirl if true. :dry:

Terrifying.

Mister Sinister

07-21-2007, 07:47 AM

First look at Kara on the front page now.

avidreader

07-21-2007, 02:05 PM

I see that there are a few who are worried that Kara's backstory is going to take up loads of screen time, but honestly how much backstory can she have. She's been in stasis for the last 18 years, not much to tell about that, and then the only other backstory she is going to have is why she was sent to Earth to look out for Clark, and that story includes Clark and maybe a bit about what life was like on Krypton, which we all want to know about anyway.

I say this with trepidation, because I really disliked the presence of last season's guest star, although on re-watching the episodes it wasnt as bad as I thought on first time airing, but I'm actually looking forward to Kara's arrival.

ariellem

07-23-2007, 12:15 AM

Yes, they all love Chloe. But, seriously when is she going to die or leave Smallville?

Clark & Bizarro are locked in battle. Bizarro gets the upper hand and deals Clark what should be a death blow. Bizarro laughs nastily and zooms off (Typical stupid villain! Didn't wait for proof of death! Hubris!). All this time, Chloe has been nearby - watching, hiding, like Lana was when she finally witnessed Clark using his powers. This time, though, Chloe is hiding for her own protection (they had been talking; Clark tucked her away just before Bizarro showed up).

Since a part of her is still in love with our hero after all these years, she naturally cries over his prone form (referring back to the time she did similarly when Clark was extremely sick on the couch very early on in the show and she thought she was losing him). Her healing tears barely revive him - he comes to and gasps, "Chloe, no! You can't..." as he realizes what's transpiring - but the shock to her system is too much. Chloe dies for real.

[For maximum cliche/heart-tearing: they briefly lock eyes during the transition - as he awakens and she dies [special effects as their consciousnesses intersect!]. Then have her face go Bizarro-like temporarily as her system tries to heal itself, then slowly go back to a pale version of her normal look. Clark cries. Better yet, he starts to like when Alicia died but instead screams with such fury that he launches himself so high up and with so much power that he finds himself FLYING...]

End episode with Chloe's funeral (hearkening back to #100 and others). The gang is all there, comforting Clark. Pete makes a special appearance. Lex watches from a distance.

Could Chloe's death - her sacrifice to save Clark - be the final straw that sends Clark into training?

Tune in next week for more of our saga!
Same \S/ time; same \S/ channel.

COMPO

07-23-2007, 03:26 AM

That last bit sounded like some thing off a steven Seagal movie.

ariellem

07-23-2007, 08:21 AM

Heh, could have been an unconscious tribute. A long time ago, I did Aikido for a while and was a big Seagal fan (his early movies). Wasn't intentional.

COMPO

07-23-2007, 08:23 AM

I know its just the 'final straw' made it sound like he was going to get some guns, which Seagal always seemed to get somehow. Convenient.

ariellem

07-23-2007, 08:28 AM

Wasn't thinking guns when you said Seagal. I thought you meant the over-the-top cheesiness! I liked Seagal best when he was doing his Aikido. The earlier movies... Around when Brandon Lee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Lee) died. :-< Man, I miss him! :csad:

mellyM

07-23-2007, 08:58 AM

Clark & Bizarro are locked in battle. Bizarro gets the upper hand and deals Clark what should be a death blow. Bizarro laughs nastily and zooms off (Typical stupid villain! Didn't wait for proof of death! Hubris!). All this time, Chloe has been nearby - watching, hiding, like Lana was when she finally witnessed Clark using his powers. This time, though, Chloe is hiding for her own protection (they had been talking; Clark tucked her away just before Bizarro showed up).

Since a part of her is still in love with our hero after all these years, she naturally cries over his prone form (referring back to the time she did similarly when Clark was extremely sick on the couch very early on in the show and she thought she was losing him). Her healing tears barely revive him - he comes to and gasps, "Chloe, no! You can't..." as he realizes what's transpiring - but the shock to her system is too much. Chloe dies for real.

[For maximum cliche/heart-tearing: they briefly lock eyes during the transition - as he awakens and she dies [special effects as their consciousnesses intersect!]. Then have her face go Bizarro-like temporarily as her system tries to heal itself, then slowly go back to a pale version of her normal look. Clark cries. Better yet, he starts to like when Alicia died but instead screams with such fury that he launches himself so high up and with so much power that he finds himself FLYING...]

End episode with Chloe's funeral (hearkening back to #100 and others). The gang is all there, comforting Clark. Pete makes a special appearance. Lex watches from a distance.

Could Chloe's death - her sacrifice to save Clark - be the final straw that sends Clark into training?

Tune in next week for more of our saga!
Same \S/ time; same \S/ channel.

What are you talking about exactly?

ariellem

07-23-2007, 10:15 AM

What are you talking about exactly?

Try re-reading what I was responding to. I think it's pretty obvious. Someone asked a question, and I came up with a scenario to answer it.

COMPO

07-23-2007, 10:21 AM

Try re-reading what I was responding to. I think it's pretty obvious. Someone asked a question, and I came up with a scenario to answer it.

Ah! A conversation!:woot:

ariellem

07-23-2007, 10:29 AM

MellyM: To clarify, here's what we were talking about.

All I truly know is that they [TPTB] love Chloe and that's something that I don't blame them for.

Yes, they all love Chloe. But, seriously when is she going to die or leave Smallville?

My scenario was a direct response to these two: show the Chloe love, but kill her off. Her death gives Clark a kick or two in the right direction.

Have been trying to think what would trigger flight.
X-ray vision: he focuses "beyond"
Heat vision: he thinks about hot babes
Super breath: also concentrated effort
Flight: Kal, Ken & Barbie, & Zod imply it's pure power and determination, from deep within, with a touch of superiority or anger. The way they showed Joe flying, it could also have roots in a peaceful, euphoric feeling (literally feeling "lighter than air"). So far, Clark has resisted the pull of power and superiority except with occasional angry outbursts and he rarely feels euphoric even with redK. I expect Kara will be flying (or at least floating up a bit) with every cute new materialistic delight.

With Chloe dying as proposed, Clark would feel sad and lost - but also very powerful because she just revived him. Can Supes shout loudly enough to shatter things or at least be heard miles away, or am I mixing in some other hero's power? If he can, this would be a perfect time for it to happen - as he blasts into the air, possibly holding Chloe's prone form.

Serene

07-23-2007, 05:29 PM

With Chloe dying as proposed, Clark would feel sad and lost - but also very powerful because she just revived him.

I've always assumed that *if* they decide to kill Chloe off before this series ends, it would be with her sacrificing her life to save Clark.

Although, I don't believe they will kill her off anymore. I just don't.

Lionel, however.... *cue ominous music*

COMPO

07-24-2007, 05:16 AM

I've always assumed that *if* they decide to kill Chloe off before this series ends, it would be with her sacrificing her life to save Clark.

Although, I don't believe they will kill her off anymore. I just don't.

Lionel, however.... *cue ominous music*

Yeah, and what if he promises her to accept his destiny and protect Earth.

mellyM

07-24-2007, 06:05 AM

MellyM: To clarify, here's what we were talking about.

My scenario was a direct response to these two: show the Chloe love, but kill her off. Her death gives Clark a kick or two in the right direction.

Have been trying to think what would trigger flight.
X-ray vision: he focuses "beyond"
Heat vision: he thinks about hot babes
Super breath: also concentrated effort
Flight: Kal, Ken & Barbie, & Zod imply it's pure power and determination, from deep within, with a touch of superiority or anger. The way they showed Joe flying, it could also have roots in a peaceful, euphoric feeling (literally feeling "lighter than air"). So far, Clark has resisted the pull of power and superiority except with occasional angry outbursts and he rarely feels euphoric even with redK. I expect Kara will be flying (or at least floating up a bit) with every cute new materialistic delight.

With Chloe dying as proposed, Clark would feel sad and lost - but also very powerful because she just revived him. Can Supes shout loudly enough to shatter things or at least be heard miles away, or am I mixing in some other hero's power? If he can, this would be a perfect time for it to happen - as he blasts into the air, possibly holding Chloe's prone form.

Oh Ok, I was a bit confused, I tend not to read most of the posts:) No need to kill anyone to give Clark a kick in the pants.

avidreader

07-27-2007, 05:52 PM

I was just looking at some screencaps from Calling and it occurred to me that Kara might know Clark's actual birth date. That would be cool!

COMPO

07-27-2007, 06:25 PM

yeah, that woyudl be cool. Like what if Clark was actually older or younger than he thought he was.

ariellem

07-27-2007, 10:49 PM

I was just looking at some screencaps from Calling and it occurred to me that Kara might know Clark's actual birth date. That would be cool!

yeah, that woyudl be cool. Like what if Clark was actually older or younger than he thought he was.

It would be cool indeed. Now please translate Clark's Kryptonian birth date into an Earth date for him.

avidreader

07-28-2007, 12:06 AM

It would be cool indeed. Now please translate Clark's Kryptonian birth date into an Earth date for him.

Ya know, the fifth rotation of the planet around the sun, ....or something like that. :O

avidreader

07-28-2007, 12:10 AM

Sometime in May, 1978.

:p

Yeah, that works too.

Hang on 1978, that makes him a bit old. Doesnt it? :huh:

AgentPat

07-28-2007, 12:10 AM

Sometime in May, 1978.

:p

Dr Lee

09-04-2007, 05:28 PM

There have been FIVE images released for this episode. All are up on Kryptonsite.

www.kryptonsite.com (http://www.kryptonsite.com)

Click NEWS and it should be the first news article you see

04nbod

09-04-2007, 07:06 PM

this is all nice but still no pic of clark and kara together :cmad:

Dr Lee

09-04-2007, 07:08 PM

There's actually quite a lot they haven't shown/told us yet.... kinda surprising.

I see i posted this in the wrong thread :lol: Should have posted over in the S7 thread

04nbod

09-04-2007, 07:13 PM

its ok here considering its the episode in question

COMPO

09-05-2007, 04:51 AM

"talk to the hand". LOL. I love it.

Riva

09-05-2007, 09:09 AM

Finally, new pics! :)

They look interesting. Clark looks great, as always. And I like Lois's jacket. Although the less said about Kara's outfit the better, unfortunately. I think this might be the part where Lois and Kara have their confrontation. Kara looks none too happy in those shots!

avidreader

09-13-2007, 09:59 PM

From Ksite.

The CW's Official Description: "Kara"
Airs October 4, 2007 on The CW
CLARK MEETS HIS COUSIN KARA KENT AND VISITS JOR-EL — Clark (Tom Welling) and Lois (Erica Durance) discover Kara’s (Laura Vandervoort) spaceship but before they can open it, Kara appears and knocks Lois out. Clark is shocked after Kara tells him she is there to protect baby Kal-El. Despite Kara’s appearance, a despondent Clark decides that without Lana (Kristin Kreuk) there is nothing keeping him in Smallville, and heads to the Fortress of Solitude to begin his training as a superhero.

However, Jor-El tells him Kara’s father - Zor-El, who is Jor-El’s brother - is evil and Kara is dangerous, therefore Clark must stay in Smallville to find out why she came to Earth. Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) makes a stunning discovery regarding Lana and Project 33.1. Allison Mack, Aaron Ashmore and John Glover also star. James Conway directed the pilot written by Todd Slavkin & Darren Swimmer (#3T6302).

Cmill216

09-13-2007, 10:00 PM

Edit. Avid beat me to it.

The Incredible Hulk

09-13-2007, 10:05 PM

well at least theyre mentioning Clark's training again...that's something

Eddie Brock

09-13-2007, 10:06 PM

Are you f***ing with me? This is Clark's Season 7 excuse for not doing his training? I'm a Supergirl fan and I'm pissed off! :cmad:

AgentPat

09-13-2007, 10:10 PM

From Ksite.

...Jor-El tells him Kara’s father - Zor-El, who is Jor-El’s brother - is evil and Kara is dangerous, therefore Clark must stay in Smallville to find out why she came to Earth....http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/huh.gif

The Caped Knight

09-13-2007, 10:19 PM

PJBoy

09-13-2007, 10:20 PM

The Incredible Hulk

09-13-2007, 10:22 PM

Cmill216

09-13-2007, 10:28 PM

Kara obviously can't be evil....right?

I mean, this has to be some form of Kryptonian practical joke.

The Caped Knight

09-13-2007, 10:29 PM

well to be fair Superman isnt some sappy character who is made into a hero by someone he loves death. He's not motivated to be a hero out of guilt like Spider-man or rage like The Bat.

When JK died, he still had his mother to take care of in SV. Now with Lana dead, there really is no one else left for him to care for.

In the movie origin , The Death Of Jonathan Kent was the key event in young Clark Kent's life that will always have an importance in his life (movie version of course) After the Death of Jonathan , Clark left Martha,The Kent farm, lana, his life in smallville .

Tptb in "smallville" try to recreate that Key Event,(and failed BIG TIME .)

avidreader

09-13-2007, 10:36 PM

Edit. Avid beat me to it.

:D

well at least theyre mentioning Clark's training again...that's something

And I like the ironic twist, that its now Jor-el who says that Clark shouldnt start his training yet.

I wonder what reason they will come up with, as to why Jor-el and Zor-el werent on the best of terms.

I like it! :woot:

Me too!

Kara obviously can't be evil....right?

I mean, this has to be some form of Kryptonian practical joke.

LOL! :D

Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) makes a stunning discovery regarding Lana and Project 33.1

This is intriguing, and hard to get my head around.

The Caped Knight

09-13-2007, 10:42 PM

Kara obviously can't be evil....right?

I mean, this has to be some form of Kryptonian practical joke.

No she's not evil

I think Jor-EL saw his brother Zor-EL was willing to go to the extreme (prehaps to the point of murder) that he saw him as evil .

Similar to how Clark saw jor-EL (from Season 2- Season 6 "Fallout")

AgentPat

09-13-2007, 10:56 PM

This is intriguing, and hard to get my head around.Y'know, I was so fixated on the evil Kara blurb, I totally missed the part about Lex and Lana and 33.1. Interesting.

And something else I missed...

...James Conway directed the pilot written by Todd Slavkin & Darren Swimmer...

Binnnnnngoooo! http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/baby.gif

avidreader

09-13-2007, 11:00 PM

Thanks to the Sweeters, I think I know what this part means now.

Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) makes a stunning discovery regarding Lana and Project 33.1

This is the episode where Lex uses the voice recognition equipment, so Lana must be feeding information about 33.1 through to Lois. Maybe???

Although, if it is Lois, one would hope that she doesnt know its Lana.

avidreader

09-13-2007, 11:03 PM

Binnnnnngoooo! http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/baby.gif

I know what you're thinking, but its kind of weird for them to write that. Dont you think?

Cmill216

09-13-2007, 11:10 PM

Binnnnnngoooo! http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/baby.gif

It took me a couple of minutes to get that. :D

Brainiac 8

09-14-2007, 12:39 AM

See this is reason why I hate this version of Clark Kent (He's such dumbass).the Death Of Jonathan Kent wasn't enough .(Of a reason for Clark to accept his Destiny.) No it takes the supposed death of The ***** from next door for him want to leave . BULL**** :cmad:

Ah Crap not the this BS too . Jeez I hated the whole "evil Zor-EL " plot from Loeb's twisted re-start origin of supergirl .

Yea, it looks like they are doing the modern take on Supergirl...or as you said...Jeph Loeb's reimagining of Kara and her family.

Supergirl secretly was sent to Earth to kill Kal.

AgentPat

09-14-2007, 12:47 AM

I know what you're thinking, but its kind of weird for them to write that. Dont you think?Not really. This IS the pilot for Supergirl. How the ep does in both ratings and audience feedback will give CW an idea of the popularity of the character. Resilience will be measured in any subsequent episodes she's in, but "Kara" will be the benchmark. :hyper:

Serene

09-14-2007, 12:52 AM

...James Conway directed the pilot written by Todd Slavkin & Darren Swimmer...
Binnnnnngoooo! http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/baby.gif

I'm confused. What 'pilot' are they referring to??? Was this a slip-up about this episode being a pilot of sorts? I'm not sure that whoever writes the promo blurbs would know that. Unless it's intentional?

I really am confused. :confused:

Serene

09-14-2007, 12:53 AM

Not really. This IS the pilot for Supergirl. How the ep does in both ratings and audience feedback will give CW an idea of the popularity of the character. Resilience will be measured in any subsequent episodes she's in, but "Kara" will be the benchmark. :hyper:

If that's true.. then I guess we can assume that Kara is NOT evil after all. I doubt they'd revolve a new series about an alien girl sent to earth to murder someone. :)

AgentPat

09-14-2007, 01:46 AM

I'm confused. What 'pilot' are they referring to??? Was this a slip-up about this episode being a pilot of sorts? I'm not sure that whoever writes the promo blurbs would know that. Unless it's intentional?

I really am confused. :confused:It's just how the ep is being referred to in that synop. Instead of "episode," they wrote "pilot." That's rather telling. I doubt you'll find another ep in SV's history that's referred to that way, with the exception of the SV pilot, of course.

Just to be clear, it's not like anybody slipped up. It's not uncommon for new shows to be spun off in such a way. It doesn't mean they'll do it. It just means it's an episode that could serve as a pilot to a new show if the network likes it enough. No big mystery there. Nothing covert about it. It's par for the course. :)

If that's true.. then I guess we can assume that Kara is NOT evil after all. I doubt they'd revolve a new series about an alien girl sent to earth to murder someone. :)Well no, they wouldn't, but since this is an introduction rather than an actual stand-alone pilot submitted to the network for their thumbs up (think G&M's Mercy Reef/Aquaman pilot), the story in "Kara" could be anything. She could start off "programmed" for murder - or something silly like that LOL - or it could just be one big misunderstanding that's resolved in a subsequent episode. I doubt they'll explain it in the same ep though; G&M are gonna bleed this one for all it's worth.

COMPO

09-14-2007, 02:55 AM

I like the idea and she coudl be communicating with Zor-El via the ship like Clark did. What i want to know is why does Jor-El think Zor-El is evil. Did he create Bizarro or was he one of Zod's men? Was Bizarro what Zod woudl use to take over Krypton?

sunflowercyn

09-14-2007, 04:46 AM

See this is reason why I hate this version of Clark Kent (He's such dumbass).the Death Of Jonathan Kent wasn't enough .(Of a reason for Clark to accept his Destiny.) No it takes the supposed death of The ***** from next door for him want to leave . BULL**** :cmad:

Ah Crap not the this BS too . Jeez I hated the whole "evil Zor-EL " plot from Loeb's twisted re-start origin of supergirl .

Craig from TWOP...

"I think that they're missing something very important: As far as I know, Clark has made peace with the idea that Lana is gone, as much as one can. It's without *his mother* there that makes him realize he may no longer have a place there."

Super_Ludacris

09-14-2007, 05:04 AM

Well it makes sense in this canon for Lana to motivate him. I mean damn where have y'all been the last 6 years?

Kal-El 8 just mad he aint take Lois with him lol

Eddie Brock

09-14-2007, 05:42 AM

Yea, it looks like they are doing the modern take on Supergirl...or as you said...Jeph Loeb's reimagining of Kara and her family.

Supergirl secretly was sent to Earth to kill Kal.
But in the comics, all that "Kill Kal-El" was merely a test to see whether Supergirl was the real deal or an anomaly in the multiverse.

Smallville isn't a multiverse, so how are they going to explain it here? :huh:

The Caped Knight

09-14-2007, 06:33 AM

Well it makes sense in this canon for Lana to motivate him. I mean damn where have y'all been the last 6 years?

Kal-El 8 just mad he aint take Lois with him lol

Secrets, lies, betrayal , etc....

Actually No I'm not (Since I know that Lois Lane will end up with Kal-EL/Clark Kent/Superman in the end . By that time clark won't be an ******* . I have no problem )

I have a huge problem that lana's death, should be the reason he wants to leave now.

What happen to, Jonathan Kent, Raya, etc ? ..... (Heck What the hell happened to The Clark Kent from "Fallout" ?)

Justice Bringer

09-14-2007, 07:37 AM

Well, at least he’s consistent.

The Incredible Hulk

09-14-2007, 07:41 AM

damn, I didnt even pick up the "Pilot" thing... if it is what we think it is, that would tie into some other things we've been hearing about the guy who's rather large red boots she's going to be filling....

Super_Ludacris

09-14-2007, 08:13 AM

Secrets, lies, betrayal , etc....

Actually No I'm not (Since I know that Lois Lane will end up with Kal-EL/Clark Kent/Superman in the end . By that time clark won't be an ******* . I have no problem )

I have a huge problem that lana's death, should be the reason he wants to leave now.

What happen to, Jonathan Kent, Raya, etc ? ..... (Heck What the hell happened to The Clark Kent from "Fallout" ?)

At this point Smallville has always been about Clark and Lana, hate it or love it. So Clark is still the one from Fallout but even Superman in the future has a spot of Lana, were just seeing why they have that dynamic of a relationship.

I'm not supporting that movement but that's what's show is about isnt it? We all know its partly a teen-show and the secrets, lies, angst etc is all part of what makes the show. I mean we've overanalysed and evaluated this for years but that's just the product of the show, we as fans need to move on from that too.
All I hope is characters like Lana get decent storylines so we can close that chapter and people have less issues with her. Even a bad episode like her getting Clark's powers (Get you Super-Lana manips ready people, I'm selling them on e-bay!) has a positive step in that by the end of the episode she will probably understand what he goes through a little more.

No need to whine about and sink yourself in with the rest of the marks in the peanut gallery.

OobeDoobBenubi

09-14-2007, 08:18 AM

It has not even aired yet & Season 7 already has alot more complaining to it then any other Season.

Super_Ludacris

09-14-2007, 08:21 AM

We always do this before every season though...

OobeDoobBenubi

09-14-2007, 08:23 AM

We always do this before every season though...

Yeah but this is like 20 times more then any other Season it seems. Ah well at least most of the hate is going to mostly Supergirl this year & not Lana eh which is a nice change

Super_Ludacris

09-14-2007, 08:28 AM

Nah, not at all by my estimations this has been quiet compared to last season's start and season 4's start. But this is why I think this board is the best for Smallvilles. There's no shippers and people dont repeat the same old topics (When's he becoming Superman? He should be with Lois/Chloe, Lana sucks, kill her... I want Bruce Wayne blah blah). We delve a little further.

OobeDoobBenubi

09-14-2007, 08:28 AM

& by the way Super please stop treating me like I know nothing about forums. I lurked before joining & I have a good idea at how these things work & how fans are. I am not completely clueless about forums. I know your trying to be helpful but keep in mind SuperHeroHype is not the only forum online I do know how forums & fans of a series work.

Super_Ludacris

09-14-2007, 08:30 AM

OobeDoobBenubi

09-14-2007, 08:32 AM

Insecure much

Um no you just seem like your going by the thought of I know nothing about forums & how fans argue every year before a season starts

Super_Ludacris

09-14-2007, 08:34 AM

Dude, you commented on why people are conversing so much and I said its always like that.

What more do you want?

OobeDoobBenubi

09-14-2007, 08:35 AM

I said its always like that.

What more do you want?

Actually I made a general comment on how theres more complaining this year. I never asked why people are like this I know why you just assumed I asked why. Why people complain before the season starts is not that hard to figure out.

KalKai

09-14-2007, 08:35 AM

Please, on topic, take it to PM.

Super_Ludacris

09-14-2007, 08:36 AM

lol@ this

OobeDoobBenubi

09-14-2007, 08:37 AM

lol@ this

Thats message boards for ya

Super_Ludacris

09-14-2007, 08:40 AM

Nice setup

OobeDoobBenubi

09-14-2007, 08:41 AM

So how about that Kara

AgentPat

09-14-2007, 08:50 AM

Craig from TWOP...

"I think that they're missing something very important: As far as I know, Clark has made peace with the idea that Lana is gone, as much as one can. It's without *his mother* there that makes him realize he may no longer have a place there."I'm missing something here. Is this about Clark's training? Is Craig saying that Clark chooses to finally go because his mother is gone? 'Cause that isn't what the official synop says:

Clark decides that without Lana (Kristin Kreuk) there is nothing keeping him in Smallville, and heads to the Fortress of Solitude to begin his training as a superhero.

Everybody should be wondering why the change, not the emphasis on Lana, though I confess it does raise an eyebrow. Clark was ready to do his training as far back as Fallout. This was during a time when his mother WAS still on the farm, so that shoots down Craig's theory. The only thing that was preventing Clark from going was the round-up of the Phantoms - and he SAID that. Assuming he captures or defeats Bizarro by the end of the season premiere, it should be THAT reason for why he decides to go to the Fortress, not because Lana is dead, his mom is gone, or it's snowing in Kansas, etc LOL. It'll be a conflict with their own continuity if Clark uses any reason other than the Zoner round-up as the catalyst for him to finally start his training.

Super_Ludacris

09-14-2007, 08:53 AM

Well keep in mind Pat, that's just a synopsis, I'm sure there's a multidude of reasons that he decides to go. Lana was probably the last person left he cared about and he did just lift a weight on his shoulders by revealing who his secret (lol@ Chloe getting ignored...or is she still dead at this point?) and with no one around he sets of for answers. I mean he's virtually abandoned on the farm (which I find more hilarous than sad)

OobeDoobBenubi

09-14-2007, 09:04 AM

I find it hilarious that Clark is finally ready for training & Jor-El turns him down LMFAO. I know theres a reason for it but damn that is just so funny.

Super_Ludacris

09-14-2007, 09:06 AM

I remember I made a post back in season 5 of why he was such a loser lol

OobeDoobBenubi

09-14-2007, 09:07 AM

It is going to be fun to see how the stupid show runners want to insult the audience even more. I hate to say it but these guys are making Singer look good.

RakuMon

09-14-2007, 09:39 AM

It's just how the ep is being referred to in that synop. Instead of "episode," they wrote "pilot." That's rather telling. I doubt you'll find another ep in SV's history that's referred to that way, with the exception of the SV pilot, of course.

Just to be clear, it's not like anybody slipped up. It's not uncommon for new shows to be spun off in such a way. It doesn't mean they'll do it. It just means it's an episode that could serve as a pilot to a new show if the network likes it enough. No big mystery there. Nothing covert about it. It's par for the course. :)

Last year, there was an episode of Grey's Anatomy that focused entirely on Kate Walsh's character leaving to Miami(?) and meeting characters played by big name stars like Taye Diggs and Tim Daly. It was widely known in TV industry circles that the episode was meant to serve as a 'pilot' of sorts for the eventual spin-off featuring Walsh's character. But a lot of Grey's fans were confused since the episode seemed to come out of nowhere.

Cut to the 07-08 season and guess what's ABC's biggest new show? "Private Practice" starring Kate Walsh, Tim Daly and Taye Diggs.

avidreader

09-14-2007, 10:04 AM

I have a huge problem that lana's death, should be the reason he wants to leave now.

It's not the ONLY reason why he wants to leave, its just that now there is no reason for him to stay.

Similar wording, but a little bit different in meaning.

Everybody should be wondering why the change, not the emphasis on Lana, though I confess it does raise an eyebrow. Clark was ready to do his training as far back as Fallout. This was during a time when his mother WAS still on the farm, so that shoots down Craig's theory. The only thing that was preventing Clark from going was the round-up of the Phantoms - and he SAID that. Assuming he captures or defeats Bizarro by the end of the season premiere, it should be THAT reason for why he decides to go to the Fortress, not because Lana is dead, his mom is gone, or it's snowing in Kansas, etc LOL. It'll be a conflict with their own continuity if Clark uses any reason other than the Zoner round-up as the catalyst for him to finally start his training.

I think the mention of Lana in the synopsis is part of the Big Plot.

Oooo, look Lana really did die, and now Martha is gone too, there's no reason for Clark to hang around Smallville. Then maybe by the end of the episode we see that Lana isnt dead.

And I dont think him feeling that negates what he said in Fallout that he would do his training after he rounded up all the zoners. He still would have wanted to make sure that Martha was taken care of and everybody else that he cares about would be okay.

Super_Ludacris

09-14-2007, 10:36 AM

Hence why I said it only says that in the synopsis. I'm suprise people take them literally

04nbod

09-14-2007, 10:55 AM

It has not even aired yet & Season 7 already has alot more complaining to it then any other Season.

oh i don't know. Remember that damn green arrow that was going to steal clark's thunder- how dare he be a hero before superman! :cmad:

:woot: i love GA

I find it hilarious that Clark is finally ready for training & Jor-El turns him down LMFAO. I know theres a reason for it but damn that is just so funny.

that would be amazing.
jor-el- i was going to give you the knowledge of the universe but noooo... you had to care about a stupid girl... go home farm boy!
:woot:

The Incredible Hulk

09-14-2007, 11:45 AM

yeah I dont get why people act like the synopsis is "canon?"

mellyM

09-14-2007, 12:33 PM

they do get things wrong in the synopsis a lot, or just misrepresent events. I'm thinking we need to see the episode to be certain.

heliorei

09-14-2007, 12:49 PM

Curious about Jor-El asking Clark to stay in Smallville and watch Kara but I'll bet we will get answers in the lara episode, flashback Krypton episode.

Serene

09-14-2007, 01:40 PM

I'm missing something here. Is this about Clark's training? Is Craig saying that Clark chooses to finally go because his mother is gone? 'Cause that isn't what the official synop says:

Clark decides that without Lana (Kristin Kreuk) there is nothing keeping him in Smallville, and heads to the Fortress of Solitude to begin his training as a superhero.

Everybody should be wondering why the change, not the emphasis on Lana, though I confess it does raise an eyebrow. Clark was ready to do his training as far back as Fallout. This was during a time when his mother WAS still on the farm, so that shoots down Craig's theory. The only thing that was preventing Clark from going was the round-up of the Phantoms - and he SAID that. Assuming he captures or defeats Bizarro by the end of the season premiere, it should be THAT reason for why he decides to go to the Fortress, not because Lana is dead, his mom is gone, or it's snowing in Kansas, etc LOL. It'll be a conflict with their own continuity if Clark uses any reason other than the Zoner round-up as the catalyst for him to finally start his training.

I gotta disagree. Clark was ready back in Fallout because he had given up any hope of having a relationship with Lana since she was with Lex. You're right, Martha was still around, but it was the Zoners that were keeping him from going at that time, along with having lost Lana.

As much as it may grate people, he's now stopped the Zoners, and regardless of where Martha is, he's now back to having lost Lana again, only now it seems permanent. So, he's ready to move on. Do you really think he'd choose to leave now if she hadn't blown up, especially now that she knows and in his words, "We can be together now"?

Don't worry, I think he'll choose to go again later, and I don't believe it will be because he's lost Lana again, but rather.. he may lose that relationship because he chooses to go. I'm hoping that it will be a mutual acknowledgment between them when that time comes though.

AgentPat

09-14-2007, 02:20 PM

It's not the ONLY reason why he wants to leave, its just that now there is no reason for him to stay.So having a super-powered Kryptonian teenager running around... err... flying around... isn't reason enough to stay? Would Clark *really* just leave her alone to wreck havoc on the planet while he goes up to the FOS to commune with a long dead A.I.? 'Cause that's what they're implying happens *before* Jor-El tells Clark to get his cute little butt back to Smallville and stop the evil Superskirt from becoming nefarious.

I think the mention of Lana in the synopsis is part of the Big Plot.

Oooo, look Lana really did die, and now Martha is gone too, there's no reason for Clark to hang around Smallville. Then maybe by the end of the episode we see that Lana isnt dead.If they wanted to keep audiences in the dark that Lana was still dead, they wouldn't mention her or the actress that plays her at all, doncha think? They'd just say...

Clark decides there is nothing keeping him in Smallville now that the Zoners are all rounded up, and heads to the Fortress of Solitude to begin his training as a superhero.

Honestly, that would make the most sense because the audience already "knows" Lana is dead and can reasonably infer Clark takes that into account too.

And I dont think him feeling that negates what he said in Fallout that he would do his training after he rounded up all the zoners. He still would have wanted to make sure that Martha was taken care of and everybody else that he cares about would be okay.I was just responding to Craig's comment, which implied an emphasis on Martha and Lana's death but didn't make any mention of the Zoners.

Hence why I said it only says that in the synopsis. I'm suprise people take them literallyyeah I dont get why people act like the synopsis is "canon?"Oh c'mon you guys. This is an OFFICIAL description as put out by the network. Could it be wrong? Sure! But we're not debating a rumor here. We're discussing what the network felt was important enough to highlight in their episode description.

And just for the record, that part didn't really bug me. I got sucked into the discussion because everybody else seemed to think it was important. :confused: :p

As much as it may grate people, he's now stopped the Zoners, and regardless of where Martha is, he's now back to having lost Lana again, only now it seems permanent. So, he's ready to move on. Do you really think he'd choose to leave now if she hadn't blown up, especially now that she knows and in his words, "We can be together now"?

Don't worry, I think he'll choose to go again later, and I don't believe it will be because he's lost Lana again, but rather.. he may lose that relationship because he chooses to go. I'm hoping that it will be a mutual acknowledgment between them when that time comes though.Well, this isn't TWOP. For the most part, people here understand that Clark loves Lana and that their relationship is the heart of the show. Their sacrifices for each other are important to their character development and understanding why they do the things they do.

That said, the show's writers sometimes forget the minutia that fans latch onto, and the devil as they say, is in the details. IF Clark makes no mention of his self-imposed mission to round up the Zoners before heading off for his training, I'll be.... irritated. Just sayin'. ;)

avidreader

09-14-2007, 03:37 PM

So having a super-powered Kryptonian teenager running around... err... flying around... isn't reason enough to stay? Would Clark *really* just leave her alone to wreck havoc on the planet while he goes up to the FOS to commune with a long dead A.I.? 'Cause that's what they're implying happens *before* Jor-El tells Clark to get his cute little butt back to Smallville and stop the evil Superskirt from becoming nefarious.

Well we dont know the order of events. Maybe he makes that decision before he finds out about Kara.

If they wanted to keep audiences in the dark that Lana was still dead, they wouldn't mention her or the actress that plays her at all, doncha think? They'd just say...

Clark decides there is nothing keeping him in Smallville now that the Zoners are all rounded up, and heads to the Fortress of Solitude to begin his training as a superhero.
Honestly, that would make the most sense because the audience already "knows" Lana is dead and can reasonably infer Clark takes that into account too.

I think they need to mention her name, to drum it home to the audience that Lana was supposedly killed in the finale.

I was just responding to Craig's comment, which implied an emphasis on Martha and Lana's death but didn't make any mention of the Zoners.

My last comment wasnt really in direct response to anything you said, its just that I'd quoted you and Kal, and decided to add a general comment. :O

Oh c'mon you guys. This is an OFFICIAL description as put out by the network. Could it be wrong? Sure! But we're not debating a rumor here. We're discussing what the network felt was important enough to highlight in their episode description.

What were we discussing again? I forgot. :whatever:

Serene

09-14-2007, 03:57 PM

Well, this isn't TWOP. For the most part, people here understand that Clark loves Lana and that their relationship is the heart of the show. Their sacrifices for each other are important to their character development and understanding why they do the things they do.
Trust me, if this was TWOP, I'd be outta here. ;)

But the usual chorus of crabbing about Lana in S7 has already begun with the latest round of spoilers. I'm not talking about here, I think most aspects of the show are discussed in balance here as opposed to a mass mindthink aimed at hating one character.
It's just... good grief, already. I want the season to just please start. Like.. NOW.

That said, the show's writers sometimes forget the minutia that fans latch onto, and the devil as they say, is in the details. IF Clark makes no mention of his self-imposed mission to round up the Zoners before heading off for his training, I'll be.... irritated. Just sayin'. ;)

I agree, and I think (hope) he will make mention of that. It's good continuity, and that's always a good thing. I do think they've been improving at making those kinds of comments though, so here's hoping. :up:

avidreader

09-14-2007, 04:18 PM

I agree, and I think (hope) he will make mention of that. It's good continuity, and that's always a good thing. I do think they've been improving at making those kinds of comments though, so here's hoping. :up:

In the grand scheme of things, for him to make a comment about the zoners wouldnt effect me one way or another.

But I'm easily pleased. :woot:

AgentPat

09-14-2007, 04:54 PM

What were we discussing again? I forgot. :whatever::huh:

bootspark

09-14-2007, 05:00 PM

I just watched "Rosetta" again.

Clark - "I cant be the only one, there must be others like me?"
Swann - "There was only ONE message."
Clark - "Why me? There must be a reason why I was sent to this planet?"
Swann - "You wont find the answers be looking to the stars. Its a journey youll have to take be looking inside yourself. You must write your OWN destiny, Kal-El"

Doesnt Supergirl on the show contradict this ENTIRE scene?

Cmill216

09-14-2007, 05:01 PM

I just watched "Rosetta" again.
Clark - "I cant be the only one, there must be others like me?"
Swann - "There was only ONE message."

Eh. Swann was just off his rocker. :rolleyes: ;)

avidreader

09-14-2007, 05:20 PM

:huh:

Have you forgotten what we were discussing too, or are you confused by my comment. If it was the latter, dont worry, that was just me being silly. :D

I just watched "Rosetta" again.

Clark - "I cant be the only one, there must be others like me?"
Swann - "There was only ONE message."
Clark - "Why me? There must be a reason why I was sent to this planet?"
Swann - "You wont find the answers be looking to the stars. Its a journey youll have to take be looking inside yourself. You must write your OWN destiny, Kal-El"

Doesnt Supergirl on the show contradict this ENTIRE scene?

Not really. Only one message could mean that Kara's family didnt have time to get one out and sending her was a last minute decision.

OobeDoobBenubi

09-14-2007, 05:49 PM

Clark - Jor-El Im ready for training

Jor-El - You failed your training you just want to train because you have nothing else left in Smallvile aside from Lois Lane

Clark - Thats reason enough to leave for a few years isnt it

Jor-El - Indeed

04nbod

09-14-2007, 06:30 PM

Curious about Jor-El asking Clark to stay in Smallville and watch Kara but I'll bet we will get answers in the lara episode, flashback Krypton episode.

that will be when we find out zor-el isn't evil and evil is all a from a certain point of view :woot:

I just watched "Rosetta" again.

Clark - "I cant be the only one, there must be others like me?"
Swann - "There was only ONE message."
Clark - "Why me? There must be a reason why I was sent to this planet?"
Swann - "You wont find the answers be looking to the stars. Its a journey youll have to take be looking inside yourself. You must write your OWN destiny, Kal-El"

Doesnt Supergirl on the show contradict this ENTIRE scene?

No. Kara's ship failed and ended up in smallville river so no message was sent. It seems only life support was kept online. Maybe a power problem and the ship prioritised?

cheungcheung

09-14-2007, 08:52 PM

33.1 and lana connection better not be lana clones!

:cmad:

Abaddon

09-14-2007, 09:08 PM

Brainiac is the only one out of that list that I could see logically worked into Superman's Smallville origins.

Lois and Jimmy in Smallville; especially Lois going to Smallville High with Clark and living with him; is majorly convoluted and weird.

As strange as this is, I wouldnt mind Martian Manhunter eventually being forced to adjust the memories of Lois and Jimmy towards the end of the series so they don't remember Clark and when he shows up in the nerdy DP disguise; Lois says he looks familiar but she can't place him.

But thats majorly reaching and would make all the development of the past few years pointless; I can't see a logical way out of this though.

Especially if Kara Kent becomes Supergirl eventually; and everyone from Smallville already knows her as Clark's ****ty cousin. There goes Clark's identity.

Eggsmactally.

Brainiac 8

09-14-2007, 11:43 PM

But in the comics, all that "Kill Kal-El" was merely a test to see whether Supergirl was the real deal or an anomaly in the multiverse.

Smallville isn't a multiverse, so how are they going to explain it here? :huh:

Oy, don't get me started on that stupid storyline. All that was was an excuse to throw out all of Loeb's storylines. Bleh....

And I have always considered Smallville as one of the Earths within the multiverse, just like the Donnerverse, and the animated universe. Just seems logical.

Eddie Brock

09-15-2007, 12:21 AM

Oy, don't get me started on that stupid storyline. All that was was an excuse to throw out all of Loeb's storylines. Bleh....

And I have always considered Smallville as one of the Earths within the multiverse, just like the Donnerverse, and the animated universe. Just seems logical.
Yeah...because Loeb's storyline got severely f***ed by his successors. Loeb's story fits nicely. All the "kill Kal-El" stuff is cleared up at the end, and Kara realizes that she doesn't HAVE to embrace that side of her personality.

But then some dumbass writers decided that it'd be fun to continue that story...even though it's all just smoke and mirrors made up by an evil Kara.

COMPO

09-15-2007, 03:53 AM

I'd like a Supergirl v.s. Superman fight for this season coudl be good.

Whiteflag

09-15-2007, 11:33 AM

Maybe in the SV universe they could go with the "Kara dies" concept. Preferably by the middle of the season at the latest. :word:

Oh, wait! SV's season 7 is about promoting SG's spin-off! :wow: They can't kill her! I forgot. :rolleyes:

Eddie Brock

09-15-2007, 01:55 PM

OobeDoobBenubi

09-15-2007, 02:45 PM

Jor-El - Your coustin Kara is in town & her father was evil so that means she is evil you need to kill her

Clark - Killing is not what I do I will talk with her & reason with her & make her see the light & if she doesnt I will stick her in The Phantom Zone

Jor-El - That is going to take another 7 seasons to complete that story line with how slow you are

COMPO

09-15-2007, 03:31 PM

LOL. Very funny. It would be good if that episode ended with Jor-El telling him to watch Kara then, cut to Kent farm with Clark watching Kara, she turns and looks at him, suspenceful music and BANG! End Credits.

Abaddon

09-15-2007, 03:33 PM

Then they wake up the next morning in bed.

"What did we do?!"

:ninja:

COMPO

09-15-2007, 03:35 PM

AWWW! Dude, that's just sick and wrong. God, imbreds.

Abaddon

09-15-2007, 03:47 PM

prude.:o

COMPO

09-15-2007, 04:04 PM

Oh, come on that's sick. You have to admit.

The Caped Knight

09-15-2007, 05:00 PM

that will be when we find out zor-el isn't evil and evil is all a from a certain point of view :woot:

I Believe Lara will clear up the whole "Family Matter" in the episode "Lara" . And will explain that neither Zor-EL or Kara are evil .

Prison Mike

09-15-2007, 05:22 PM

I can't wait to see "Lara". I think all the questions we have during the first five episodes will be answered in "Lara".

COMPO

09-16-2007, 06:16 AM

I can't wait. I just want to see Krypton. If they show it taht is.

The Caped Knight

09-16-2007, 02:35 PM

I can't wait. I just want to see Krypton. If they show it that is.

I don't see why not at this point, The Whole Krypton/Kryptonian restriction was made because of the movie rights. And in the end all we got was short sequence shot of the destruction of The planet Krypton .

So Hopefully now smallville will be able to show Krypton in all it glory .

COMPO

09-17-2007, 02:43 PM

I hope we hear the speech, "the son becomes the father and the father the son".

The Caped Knight

09-17-2007, 04:42 PM

I hope we hear the speech, "the son becomes the father and the father the son".

I hope we finally get to see Jor-EL at last (and not just hear his voice)

avidreader

09-17-2007, 05:44 PM

I hope we finally get to see Jor-EL at last (and not just hear his voice)

I wouldnt be holding your breath for that one, just yet. :cwink:

The Caped Knight

09-17-2007, 05:52 PM

I wouldnt be holding your breath for that one, just yet. :cwink:

At this point if we're going to see Lara visually . Then Why the hell can't we see Jor-EL as well ?

We've already seen Three Kryptonians , Brainiac ,The Phantom Zones prisoners , General Zod in his Phantom Form . and now Lara & possible Zor-EL .

I want to see Jor-EL NOW DAMNIT Enough with just the voice . :cmad:

avidreader

09-17-2007, 06:00 PM

At this point if we're going to see Lara visually . Then Why the hell can't we see Jor-EL as well ?

We've already seen Three Kryptonians , Brainiac ,The Phantom Zones prisoners , General Zod in his Phantom Form . and now Lara & possible Zor-EL .

I want to see Jor-EL NOW DAMNIT Enough with just the voice . :cmad:

I hear you. I just dont think they're ready to show us that yet, and from what I hear they're still trying to negotiate with TS.

I think the episode Lara will be about Lara going to Kara to see that her son is well cared for and loved. Remember in Memoria her biggest fear was that maybe nobody would love him.

Tempest19

09-17-2007, 06:24 PM

wait is the whole "father becomes the son" from the comicsverse as well? or just movieverse?

The Caped Knight

09-17-2007, 06:46 PM

I hear you. I just dont think they're ready to show us that yet, and from what I hear they're still trying to negotiate with TS.

You've got to be kidden me , Are you telling me that the blasted Restrictions Warner Bros. placed about Krypton, Jor-EL, etc.... are still in place because of SR ?

I think the episode Lara will be about Lara going to Kara to see that her son is well cared for and loved. Remember in Memoria her biggest fear was that maybe nobody would love him.

I'm so looking forward to seeing Helen as Lara It's going to be Epic . Not to mention their will be a passing of the torch kind off moment between her & Laura . :super:

avidreader

09-17-2007, 06:53 PM

You've got to be kidden me , Are you telling me that the blasted Restrictions Warner Bros. placed about Krypton, Jor-EL, etc.... are still in place because of SR ?

No, from what I remember, which I cant remember where I read it, it was more TS's fee.

I'm so looking forward to seeing Helen as Lara It's going to be Epic . Not to mention their will be a passing of the torch kind off moment between her & Laura . :super:

I'm looking forward to seeing Helen as Lara. Heck, I've been looking forward to seeing Lara played by anyone since Memoria. Now that Martha is gone, it would seem the appropriate time.

AgentPat

09-17-2007, 07:05 PM

wait is the whole "father becomes the son" from the comicsverse as well? or just movieverse?To my knowledge, that's a movieverse thing - a Donner-ism which was later homaged by Singer in SR. It may have crept into the comics at this point, however. I'm not sure.

The Caped Knight

09-17-2007, 07:08 PM

To my knowledge, that's a movieverse thing - a Donner-ism which was later homaged by Singer in SR. It may have crept into the comics at this point, however. I'm not sure.

It's been in the comics for a while now . It's now a Famous Kryptonian prophecy .

AgentPat

09-17-2007, 07:12 PM

It's been in the comics for a while now . It's now a Famous Kryptonian prophecy .I'm not talking about the concept, I mean the actual quote. Has THAT appeared in the comics? If so, got a title? Issue #? :)

The Caped Knight

09-17-2007, 07:21 PM

I'm looking forward to seeing Helen as Lara. Heck, I've been looking forward to seeing Lara played by anyone since Memoria. Now that Martha is gone, it would seem the appropriate time.

Originally I wanted Dean Cain as Jor-EL & Teri Hatcher as Lara on smallville (way back in season 1,2 before "Exodus" aired)

When Stamp was first announced as Jor-EL (I was shell Shocked,I mean What strange Twist General Zod now The Father of Kal-EL :wow: What next Ursa as Lara ?)

So you can just imagen just how Super happy I am that Helen Slater is going to be Lara .

I wish Dean was Zor-EL or someone related to Clark's family or The son of V.Swann. I just hate the idea of him playing a villain .

The Caped Knight

09-17-2007, 07:23 PM

I'm not talking about the concept, I mean the actual quote. Has THAT appeared in the comics? If so, got a title? Issue #? :)

It was during The Return to Krypton mini Series story Arc, I'll have to look through my sups comic book collection . and then scan it for ya .

AgentPat

09-17-2007, 07:25 PM

It was during The Return to Krypton mini Series story Arc, I'll have to look through my sups comic book collection . and then scan it for ya .This one?
http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/reviews/112312381754489.htm

The Caped Knight

09-17-2007, 07:27 PM

This one?
http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/reviews/112312381754489.htm

BINGO :cwink:

AgentPat

09-17-2007, 07:28 PM

BINGO :cwink:Okay. I'm pretty sure I've got that buried in a box somewhere. I'll peruse it.

AgentPat

09-17-2007, 07:40 PM

Okay. I'm pretty sure I've got that buried in a box somewhere. I'll peruse it.Found it! No need to scan it

Got a page number? Make this easy for me. LOL

The Caped Knight

09-17-2007, 07:41 PM

Okay. I'm pretty sure I've got that buried in a box somewhere. I'll peruse it.

I'll do the same

AgentPat

09-17-2007, 07:49 PM

I'll do the sameI've got the book in hand, so you don't have to scan it. Just let me know what page number it's on; it'll take me all night to find it otherwise. :O

COMPO

09-18-2007, 01:29 PM

OobeDoobBenubi

09-27-2007, 08:03 PM

Waiting for Jcs preview capture

04nbod

09-27-2007, 08:15 PM

Waiting for Jcs preview capture

aren't we all:woot:

hlbimage

09-27-2007, 08:33 PM

OobeDoobBenubi

09-27-2007, 08:37 PM

Thanks hlb

04nbod

09-27-2007, 09:02 PM

who is kara kicking?

KBX

09-27-2007, 10:44 PM

I think Kara is kicking Lois....

hlbimage

09-27-2007, 11:13 PM

I think Kara is kicking Lois....

well then she's going to die.....again.

NotFadeAway

09-27-2007, 11:30 PM

I'm just wondering if they will show how Kara truly feels now that Krypton has blown up and how she feels about being one of two Kryptonians left alive (that we know of)? I think they should go that route and have her put up a strong front, ala Jor-El, but at the end of the day she is still technically a Kryptonian teenager, so I think there should be that point where she lets guard down, breaks down, and spills the beans about how she feels being on Earth and away from Krypton. Basically, at some point she should get homesick and want to go home.

We never get to see this from Clark, for obvious reason's, so I think it would be a nice touch!

MJZ

09-28-2007, 12:26 AM

who is kara kicking?

Looked like Lana to me, dark hair and all...

The Caped Knight

09-28-2007, 01:12 AM

I got a youtube version of it on here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idp15DjV1SA

If you want an avi HD version of it head here (http://commercialfreecommercials.blogspot.com/2007/09/smallville.html)

I can't wait for next week's episode . It looks like it's going to be good one .:woot:

COMPO

09-28-2007, 04:06 AM

it does look amazing.

Justice Bringer

09-28-2007, 07:50 AM

I wonder if Kevin Sorbo will play Jor-El or Zor-El.

SamuraiSon6

09-28-2007, 08:19 AM

agreed, i would like to see it go down that way as well, i dont want her to be an emotionless android

Justice Bringer

09-28-2007, 08:24 AM

This is probably what "Lara" is all about.

aka Kal el

09-28-2007, 12:29 PM

I can't help thinking that there was a hidden reason for bringing Supergirl to Smallville. Was it so TW could make the JLA? From what I heard many episodes will focus on her. Why? Could we be seeing a changing of the guard? It has already been established that JLA will conflict with Smallville shooting schedule which is the reason many sight for TW not being involved. But what if finally decides its time to start his training. It would make perfect sense since he now has a suitable replacement. Listen to some of his comments about not being able to stay here much longer. The new addition of a hidden spit curl(DO you think that was an accident?) How he is now ready to start his mission? I think this is all a very elaborate set up that has been in the works for a while. Gough confirmed this is MB last season. He also said there could be a season eight or "IT COULD END THIS YEAR" WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE SOMETHINGS BUT WE COULD DO IT IF WE HAD TO". He also mentioned about the very real possibility of a Smallville movie. That he has always planned one". Just speculation but what if the hold up is that Gough wants a guarrantee to make Smallville movie instead of MOS? What are your thoughts....?

Migu-EL

09-28-2007, 12:54 PM

I wonder if Kevin Sorbo will play Jor-El or Zor-El.

Hercules is Superman's dad?:wow: :huh:

ariellem

09-28-2007, 01:13 PM

Hercules is Superman's dad?:wow: :huh:

That would explain the musculature :-> Not the hair so much, though.

NotFadeAway

09-28-2007, 01:16 PM

Migu-EL

09-28-2007, 03:03 PM

That would explain the musculature :-> Not the hair so much, though.

I love that word.:woot:

KalKai

09-28-2007, 05:57 PM

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/kalkai/ckpkk.gif?t=1191019111

PWNED! LOL!

Cmill216

09-28-2007, 06:06 PM

Holy hell, that's all sorts of awesome. :D :up:

The Caped Knight

09-28-2007, 06:23 PM

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/kalkai/ckpkk.gif?t=1191019111

PWNED! LOL!

lol that sort of reminds me of STAS episode "Little Lost Girl Part 1" When Kara's flying around Smallville in the daytime and when she reaches The Kent Farm Clark grabs her and pulls her down .

ArE9rZChLpA
01 :16

OobeDoobBenubi

09-28-2007, 06:41 PM

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/kalkai/ckpkk.gif?t=1191019111

Kara - This is my show now (she tries to take off)

Clark - (Clark stops her) Get the **** off of my show *****

04nbod

09-28-2007, 06:45 PM

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/kalkai/ckpkk.gif?t=1191019111

PWNED! LOL!

wow thats needlessly violent! Especially considering their family!:wow: i prefer the S:TAS version:woot:

the directors cut is on the CW website but its region coded now- can anyone hook me up? :woot:

OobeDoobBenubi

09-28-2007, 06:47 PM

wow thats needlessly violent! Especially considering their family

He probably does not know who she is yet

04nbod

09-28-2007, 06:50 PM

He probably does not know who she is yet

it makes no sense he would do that then help her up if he considered her a bad guy. I'm looking forward to the episode to see it in context. At least kara throws the first punch - i know that for a fact:woot:

The Caped Knight

09-28-2007, 06:54 PM

wow thats needlessly violent! Especially considering their family!:wow: i prefer the S:TAS version:woot:

the directors cut is on the CW website but its region coded now- can anyone hook me up? :woot:

lol I thought you might .

OobeDoobBenubi

09-28-2007, 06:55 PM

it makes no sense he would do that then help her up if he considered her a bad guy

Hey never know

avidreader

09-28-2007, 09:05 PM

Why did CW have to go and change the way they display their Director's Cuts? :cmad:

I assume there's only one video to watch. And by the sounds of it, Clark has decided to leave Smallville before Kara shows up.

avidreader

09-28-2007, 09:06 PM

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/kalkai/ckpkk.gif?t=1191019111

PWNED! LOL!

Hang on a second. Where did you get that from?

KalKai

09-28-2007, 09:12 PM

Hang on a second. Where did you get that from?

http://www.star-tv.com/video/2007/09/sd_b070928.wvx

Batgort

09-28-2007, 09:15 PM

AgentPat

09-28-2007, 09:25 PM

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/kalkai/ckpkk.gif?t=1191019111

PWNED! LOL!BWWAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Uhmuhgawd.... Kai, I LOVE YOU!!!!!

That MADE my night.

No wait... It made my WEEK!!!

WHAM!!! THUD!!! ROFLMFAO!!!!!!

I want that as my avi.

Oh gawd.... Best. Gif. EVER!!!! hahahahahahah!!!

avidreader

09-28-2007, 09:33 PM

http://www.star-tv.com/video/2007/09/sd_b070928.wvx

Thanks Kai. :yay:

The Caped Knight

09-28-2007, 09:35 PM

In The Directors cut Kara give Clark a very good punch that sends him flying

Cmill216

09-28-2007, 09:46 PM

I'm still not sold on Supergirl, but this episode looks infinitely better than "Sneeze".

AgentPat

09-28-2007, 09:48 PM

AgentPat

09-28-2007, 09:50 PM

I'm still not sold on Supergirl, but this episode looks infinitely better than "Sneeze".I just want to see that *wham* a few more hundred times. God, if only .gifs had sound....

LOLOLOL!!! :p

Serene

09-28-2007, 09:52 PM

Have any of the director's cuts shown up on YouTube yet? I can't watch 'em on CW's site because the page keeps reloading over and over again. I sent them an e-mail expressing my disgust over changing formats one week into the new season. What a bunch of morons. *sigh*

I had to d/l their player, but it's working fine for me. I just watched the director's cuts and the interviews with Allison and Erica.

Both women look amazing, btw. Better than ever even.

The Incredible Hulk

09-28-2007, 09:52 PM

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/kalkai/ckpkk.gif?t=1191019111

PWNED! LOL!

there's something dirty about this...cant quite put my finger on it....

:D

Cmill216

09-28-2007, 09:52 PM

I just want to see that *wham* a few more hundred times.

LMAO. I bet you do. :hyper:

I mean, come on. Who doesn't like seeing Clark flex some authority muscles? That clip is gold.

Serene

09-28-2007, 09:53 PM

there's something dirty about this...cant quite put my finger on it....

But you'd like to.

:eek: ;)

AgentPat

09-28-2007, 10:03 PM

I had to d/l their player, but it's working fine for me....Oh, is THAT it? Gah! Something more to DL. Okay, thanks for the tip.

there's something dirty about this...cant quite put my finger on it....Yeah, it's too bad they're cousins. If that were Raya, it would be a whole different thang. SuperSex. LOL

LMAO. I bet you do. :hyper:

I mean, come on. Who doesn't like seeing Clark flex some authority muscles? That clip is gold.You said it. It's perfect because it's violent w/o being harmful or vicious. I'm very pleased to see Clark showing Kara who's boss. :D

The Caped Knight

09-28-2007, 10:08 PM

Hey Kai Can you make some Gifs of the directors cut Please ?

Zorex

09-28-2007, 10:11 PM

Is there even a DC up for Kara? I can't see any, nor can I dl the clip posted above. Bummered!

Nm, found the DC. Cool cool.

Serene

09-28-2007, 10:18 PM

Is there even a DC up for Kara? I can't see any, nor can I dl the clip posted above. Bummered!

Really? It's there, along with new interviews with Erica and Allison.

It's kind of oddly organized on that site. You have to go into Videos, then click on SV for the clips now. And if you haven't d/l their player yet, it will run you through that. It's pretty quick and easy though.

Try this link: http://www.cwtv.com/cw-video/smallville

The Incredible Hulk

09-28-2007, 10:31 PM

LOL

"Go get your girlfriend and dont EVER come back"

OobeDoobBenubi

09-28-2007, 10:36 PM

They call that new format HD ? Ahahahahahahhahahaha lmfao

AgentPat

09-28-2007, 11:19 PM

Gmanofsteel

09-28-2007, 11:57 PM

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/kalkai/ckpkk.gif?t=1191019111

PWNED! LOL!

WAH HA HA HA HA HA OW! :eek: :D

ariellem

09-29-2007, 12:06 AM

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/kalkai/ckpkk.gif?t=1191019111

PWNED! LOL!

This alone is worth the week's wait. Fabulous! And yes, too bad they're cousins. The look on her face at the end is very Lois: fine, you can help me up, but don't try anything.

sunflowercyn

09-29-2007, 12:22 AM

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/kalkai/ckpkk.gif?t=1191019111

PWNED! LOL!

Wow...good job KalKai...:heart: I just want to keep watching for a laugh. This is going to be fun. I have a feeling she's going to get back at him when she gives him flying lessons.

Good 'ole skytrain in the background:woot:

Serene

09-29-2007, 12:58 AM

Aight... I'm at the point of throwing bricks. Where in blazes is the d/l player on the CW site? It's not on their site map. :cmad:

My GAWD were they ever dumb to do this at the beginning of the season.

When I got to the Video>Smallville page and clicked to play the DC, it automatically came up in that window and said I needed to d/l their player.

AgentPat

09-29-2007, 01:12 AM

When I got to the Video>Smallville page and clicked to play the DC, it automatically came up in that window and said I needed to d/l their player.Rats. It's not doing that for me. :(

Hey, if anybody sees the DC show up on YouTube, can y'all post it here? Please? Thanks bunches. :)

MJZ

09-29-2007, 04:49 AM

^All things considered it's not that great. I much preferred the StarDaily! clip.

jr24tw

09-29-2007, 08:02 AM

Well at least that's your only problem AgentPat.

I'm not even allowed to view the DC's anymore because they are restricted to viewers from the US only. Same goes for interviews and such btw.

mellyM

09-29-2007, 08:19 AM

Rats. It's not doing that for me. :(

Hey, if anybody sees the DC show up on YouTube, can y'all post it here? Please? Thanks bunches. :)

mmm..I tried it on a PC too and it worked. I don't know. That Laura girl doesn't seem very good....but it was just a short clip and maybe she'll get better. *hopes*

Whiteflag

09-29-2007, 08:40 AM

jr24tw

09-29-2007, 08:47 AM

Serene

09-29-2007, 09:48 AM

Well at least that's your only problem AgentPat.

I'm not even allowed to view the DC's anymore because they are restricted to viewers from the US only. Same goes for interviews and such btw.

Yeah, great move on the CW's part. :mad: Let's piss off and discriminate the thousands of overseas viewers that follow our shows and keep visiting our site. :dry:

What an intelligent decision. :whatever: :mad:

Wth? Why would they restrict SO many overseas viewers from seeing what they have to promote their show? Idiotic. It just doesn't make sense when you consider how much they were touting there WORLDWIDE fanbase in that Fan section of the S6 DVD set.

Jana - isn't there a program that will let me capture the stream? I thought I saw one written about on LJ somewhere, but I never really looked into it.

sunflowercyn

09-29-2007, 10:50 AM

CW has been pissing me off ever since they changed their press site. Noticed how barely any website can get stills up anymore? And if they do they are all low quality. It's because of their system change.

Now they change their video content to US only. Making it impossible for fansites that are in English and deal with the current Season or their actors to help them advertise their shows. You need fansites to generate interest. And they are free advertising platforms for your content.

CW is just run by idiots. There is not much more to say. All other networks restrict the full episodes (which I can uderstand) and some other stuff here and there. But they leave up interviews, bts, trailers and so on for everyone to view. CW is the one network that could use all the help they can get. And they just made it worse for themselves.

OMG...it's worse then I though then Jana. Stupid network. I think we are all going to have a massive headache.:cmad:

Wth? Why would they restrict SO many overseas viewers from seeing what they have to promote their show? Idiotic. It just doesn't make sense when you consider how much they were touting there WORLDWIDE fanbase in that Fan section of the S6 DVD set.

Jana - isn't there a program that will let me capture the stream? I thought I saw one written about on LJ somewhere, but I never really looked into it.

Hey Serene.....

I use WM Recorder and it works for alot of stuff. Not ALL but alot.

http://www.wmrecorder.com/

Cyn

sunflowercyn

09-29-2007, 10:52 AM

edit

OobeDoobBenubi

09-29-2007, 10:58 AM

If I can get the FLV file of the Directors Cut I will upload it to youtube

OobeDoobBenubi

09-29-2007, 11:03 AM

It looks like the only way to get that video off of the site is to record it.

jr24tw

09-29-2007, 11:07 AM

OMG...it's worse then I though then Jana. Stupid network. I think we are all going to have a massive headache.:cmad:
Don't get me started really. Isn't it restricted for you too? I mean Canada is outside the US too.

Hey Serene.....

I use WM Recorder and it works for alot of stuff. Not ALL but alot.

http://www.wmrecorder.com/

Cyn
I used to use WM Recorder for a lot of stuff. But it didn't work after a while on certain CW sites. Now I use URL Helper. Mainly because it can give me the complete link. I download the videos with a program then using that link.

Jana - isn't there a program that will let me capture the stream? I thought I saw one written about on LJ somewhere, but I never really looked into it.
As I said not sure what program works with the CW software now. You could try WM Recorder. I could send you URL helper. You would still need a program to dl videos with but I'm not really interested in that. More the links. So if you want I can help you out. Can send you both programs.

Prison Mike

09-29-2007, 11:36 AM

I love when Clark slams Kara down like that. He could do some serious damage if he's angry.

Serene

09-29-2007, 11:47 AM

OMG...it's worse then I though then Jana. Stupid network. I think we are all going to have a massive headache.:cmad:

Hey Serene.....

I use WM Recorder and it works for alot of stuff. Not ALL but alot.

http://www.wmrecorder.com/

Cyn
Oh, I can see it, but I'd like to try and snag it so others can too. Or maybe you understood that. I can't tell.
Thanks though. :)

As I said not sure what program works with the CW software now. You could try WM Recorder. I could send you URL helper. You would still need a program to dl videos with but I'm not really interested in that. More the links. So if you want I can help you out. Can send you both programs.

Sure... I'll give it a shot. Hopefully I can figure out how to use those programs. :p If I can't, I'll have my resident 'expert' do it for me. Send away! You have my email address, right? I'll PM it just in case.

ETA: Just saw that the link Cyn posted for WM Recorder has a free trial version so I'll try that first. So maybe just send me the URL helper?

jr24tw

09-29-2007, 11:59 AM

Send you a PM Serene.

AgentPat

09-29-2007, 12:01 PM

Hey, thanks to everybody who's been looking into this. It may not be all that interesting a clip, but I LOVE director's cuts. So thanks again! :D :up:

Cmill216

09-29-2007, 12:02 PM

I saw the DC yesterday. This episode is shaping up to be a good one.

AgentPat

09-29-2007, 12:04 PM

I saw the DC yesterday. This episode is shaping up to be a good one.Oh yeah? Can you describe what's in the clip? Dialog?

BTW, don't EVER change your avatar. My GOD that's great. LOL :woot:

Cmill216

09-29-2007, 12:08 PM

Oh yeah? Can you describe what's in the clip? Dialog?

Lois and Clark are in the woods. They find Kara's ship and Lois is all "ZOMG, it's a spaceship." Clark tries to downplay it, "Oh, it's just a test jet" or something along those lines; Clark is looking around the area concerned. Lois is taking pictures of the ship and then suddenly gets knocked out by Kara. Kara crushes Lois' camera phone, then punches Clark sending him flying back (unfinished effects but it looked like a massive blow). Kara tells him to 'take his girlfriend and leave', and then flies off.

BTW, don't EVER change your avatar. My GOD that's great. LOL :woot:

Ever's a long time. :hyper:

I'll hang on to it a bit, just to remind everybody whose show this is. ;)

OobeDoobBenubi

09-29-2007, 12:10 PM

Oh yeah? Can you describe what's in the clip? Dialog?

Lois & Clark walking in the forest

Lois & Clark finds ship

Lois can tell that its been underwater

Kara knocks Lois the **** out

Clark & Kara do the stare game

Kara crushes Lois's phone with one hand

Kara says "Thats what happens when you touch my stuff"

Then Clark goes to attack Kara but Kara super pushes him the **** away

Then Kara flies to where Clark is & then says "Go get your girlfriend & do not ever come back"

AgentPat

09-29-2007, 12:14 PM

Lois and Clark are in the woods. They find Kara's ship and Lois is all "ZOMG, it's a spaceship." Clark tries to deny it, "Oh, it's just a test jet" or something along those lines; Clark is looking around the area concerned. Lois is taking pictures of the ship and then suddenly gets knocked out by Kara. Kara crushes Lois' camera phone, then punches Clark sending him flying back (unfinished effects but it looked like a massive blow). Kara tells him to 'take his girlfriend and leave', and then flies off.Oh, that sounds awesome! Thanks for describing it.

Now, if Kara hits Clark THAT hard, wouldn't it be a blow that could potentially kill an average human? I mean, if he gets up right after a 30 foot chuck, wouldn't Kara wonder how that's possible?

Eh. No matter. I'll suspend disbelief. It sounds like a great scene. :up:

Ever's a long time. :hyper:

I'll hang on to it a bit, just to remind everybody whose show this is. ;)It's mesmerizing. I've been staring at it since your last post. How warped am I? LOLOL!!! ;)

AgentPat

09-29-2007, 12:17 PM

...Then Kara flies to where Clark is & then says "Go get your girlfriend & do not ever come back"How do the flying fx look? I realize it's just a director's cut, but I assume she's on wires. Does it look fluid? Or does it look.... stupid? I SOOOO hope they make this look good.

Serene

09-29-2007, 12:19 PM

Just for grins (and until I get these programs figured out), try this link: http://cwtv.com/cw-video/smallville/short/?play=416-1908

It's the one you can email to a friend to see the clip from the site. But it may just take you to the page for d/l'ing the player.

OobeDoobBenubi

09-29-2007, 12:19 PM

How do the flying fx look? I realize it's just a director's cut, but I assume she's on wires. Does it look fluid? Or does it look.... stupid? I SOOOO hope they make this look good.

It looked good to me & funny how you mentioned wires since at the end since the last shot is not finish they show a green screen shot of Laura with wires holding her & she flies into the camera

Cmill216

09-29-2007, 12:21 PM

Yeah, you can't really tell what the flying looks like in the DC. Very unfinished. Though there looks to be a cool shot of Kara actually hovering over Clark and threatening him.

avidreader

09-29-2007, 12:33 PM

Hey, thanks to everybody who's been looking into this. It may not be all that interesting a clip, but I LOVE director's cuts. So thanks again! :D :up:

It's not a bad clip. The interesting thing I noted was that Clark has already decided to leave Smallville before Kara shows up. He asks Lois if she's going to miss him.

AgentPat

09-29-2007, 12:34 PM

Interesting. Okay, sounds good. :up:

Serene, that page just took me to the same page that keeps reloading ad infinitum. Totally frustrating, but I'm not gonna sweat it. Thanks though! :)

AgentPat

09-29-2007, 12:35 PM

It's not a bad clip. The interesting thing I noted was that Clark has already decided to leave Smallville before Kara shows up. He asks Lois if she's going to miss him.Where does he say he's going? I mean, WE know. But I'd imagine he's not going to tell her he's going to the North Pole LOL. Does she ask? ;)

avidreader

09-29-2007, 12:36 PM

Where does he say he's going? I mean, WE know. But I'd imagine he's not going to tell her he's going to the North Pole LOL. Does she ask? ;)

He doesnt say. She just ribs him back that she's going to miss teasing him.

:woot:

sunflowercyn

09-29-2007, 12:45 PM

Director's Cut for Kara!

credit to "ATEM" for finding it and smallvilletalk (http://youtube.com/user/smallvilletalk) for posting it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NfZiOe24QiA

Hush

09-29-2007, 12:46 PM

So im not gonna lie im excited more for this episode than i was for the premiere and that is saying alot.

phoenixflight

09-29-2007, 12:53 PM

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/kalkai/ckpkk.gif?t=1191019111

I am totally in love with Season 7 already!!! Can't wait to see this episode. Kara is naive about Earth and its culture. She needs some guidance, and it looks like Clark is going to help ground her (pun intended)...

I would love to have Wonder Woman (I know it won't happen...just let me dream) help train Kara...

Cmill216

09-29-2007, 12:54 PM

it looks like Clark is going to help ground her (pun intended)...

BWAHAHAHAHA. :D

I love it.

Hush

09-29-2007, 12:54 PM

So are Kara and CLark of equal strength or do youa ll believe that Clark is stronger cause he has been bathingin the sun longer?

OobeDoobBenubi

09-29-2007, 12:58 PM

I would think Kara is stronger after that 20 year nap. It was probably like "charing up" for her & now she goes nuts.

Eddie Brock

09-29-2007, 12:59 PM

So im not gonna lie im excited more for this episode than i was for the premiere and that is saying alot.
I hear you, brother.

Hush

09-29-2007, 01:01 PM

But think about it Clark has been in direct sunlight for about the same amount of time so i would like to seem that since he also has more experience with the powers as well that he is stronger than her.

Hush

09-29-2007, 01:02 PM

I hear you, brother.

It just seems more exciting to me for some reason.

The Caped Knight

09-29-2007, 01:14 PM

So are Kara and Clark of equal strength or do you all believe that Clark is stronger cause he has been bathingin the sun longer?

I think Kara's is stronger by just a bit .

AgentPat

09-29-2007, 01:24 PM

Director's Cut for Kara!

credit to "ATEM" for finding it and smallvilletalk (http://youtube.com/user/smallvilletalk) for posting it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NfZiOe24QiA
Whoa! Niiiiice! This is gonna be fun. :up:

But what's the deal here? Does Green K not effect Kara? Kinda lame if they go that route. :dry:

Thanks BUNCHES for the link!!!! :D

Hush

09-29-2007, 01:24 PM

I think Kara's is stronger by just a bit .

I dont know i just see Clark being stronger or wanting himm to be due to his experience on earth being greater. She can fly though so that is a one up I just hate seeing the main character of our show Dumbed down.

AgentPat

09-29-2007, 01:29 PM

So are Kara and CLark of equal strength or do youa ll believe that Clark is stronger cause he has been bathingin the sun longer?Based on that other clip - where he stops her from flying away and tosses her to the ground like a sack of grain - I think he's stronger. She gets the better of him when they first meet because he's not expecting her to attack like that. At least it seemed that way to me. Besides, she's been underwater for how many years? There's not much sunlight to absorb down there LOL.

Hush

09-29-2007, 01:33 PM

Based on that other clip - where he stops her from flying away and tosses her to the ground like a sack of grain - I think he's stronger. She gets the better of him when they first meet because he's not expecting her to attack like that. At least it seemed that way to me. Besides, she's been underwater for how many years? There's not much sunlight to absorb down there LOL.

Thats what I was basing my assumption off of. I actually refuse to watch that clip cause i dont want to spoil myself so i just look at Cmill's avvy, I believe its him who has it.

AgentPat

09-29-2007, 01:36 PM

Thats what I was basing my assumption off of. I actually refuse to watch that clip cause i dont want to spoil myself so i just look at Cmill's avvy, I believe its him who has it.Cmill has the best avi on the boards right now. LOL

Hush

09-29-2007, 01:39 PM

Cmill has the best avi on the boards right now. LOL

Quite possibly yes he does. Hopefully there will be more cool scene's this season to "avvyify" if you will.

The Caped Knight

09-29-2007, 01:47 PM

But what's the deal here? Does Green K not effect Kara? Kinda lame if they go that route. :dry:

Not really in STAS Kara is much more resistant to Kryptonite. (Exposure to the radioactive element would kill Superman in about twenty minutes but Supergirl could hold out for several hours.)