7.02 - Kara - Discussion Thread (Spoilers) [Archive] - Page 6

Syncos

10-07-2007, 03:29 PM

Which would be pretty dumb IMHO since Alien Ken & Barbie were barbecuing people 30 seconds after they landed. And they didn't fly.

The defaults established for what Kryptonians know and don't know upon arrival seem to be directly related to what the writers need them to know given the particular story. Budget rears its ugly head on this stuff too. ;)

In relative terms, i'm guessing it has a lot to do with the knowledge bestowed upon the characters. It's safe to assume that Kara's knowledge comes from the database she was learning from, in suspended animation. Which we can safely assume was programmed by Zor-El. Her objective was to find Kal-El, so chances are it taught her about the super speed and flight, probably even the near invulnerability and super strength.

Alien Ken and Barbie were warriors, disciples of General Zod. If their information databases were programmed based around an attack plan, then it's perfectly reasonable that things like Heat Vision would have been brought to their attention. Also, since they didn't know what to expect Kal-El to look like, they had to actually speak to people. Flight, though impressive, would have been unnecessary for them.

Since in both instances, they were looking for Kal-El, it's actually a good contrast on how different types of people would go about achieving the same goal.

Or maybe I'm over analyzing! yay!

AgentPat

10-07-2007, 05:33 PM

...Or maybe I'm over analyzing! yay!http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/flirt.gif

We all do it, so don't worry.

I think there's a lot of assumption being made about the characters. For example, Kara charging up in suspended animation hasn't been noted in the show yet. She just pops out of her little spaceship and voila, she's Supergirl. There has been no explanation for how she knows how to fly, why Clark doesn't, or why alien Ken and Barbie didn't. Kara knows about Earth culture through a download of information she received while in suspended animation (I forget the term she used, but it was addressed), but her answer for knowing about having powers on Earth was that she was told she would have 'em - not how to use 'em.

Clark on the other hand knows he can fly. He just doesn't know how to do it at will. He even TELLS Kara that. We as an audience are making an assumption that it's a mental barrier, but there has been nothing in the show to support that conclusion. We've never even seen him *try* to fly. Also, flight is an incredibly useful power - it's not just showy and all "look ma, no hands." Alien Ken and Barbie *should* have flown. Zod did, and he was in Lex's body at the time.

So as I said, I think what they know is based on what the plot and the show budget dictates. Jor-El flew (Relic) but Brainiac didn't. Some humans bestowed with Kryptonian powers (Kara#1 and Lexzod) flew, but Jonathan didn't. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason for why some characters know they even *have* powers, much less how to use them. How is it that Kara not only knows how to fly but she can do it at will, yet didn't even know she had superhearing? See the problem here? We can fanwank an explanation, but I'd rather the show offer some answers - and then stick to it. Continuity, anybody? ;) :p

Eros

10-07-2007, 10:25 PM

I agree agentPat, its most perplexing, they seem to pick and choose what Kryptonians can and and canot fly, or just don't. The cronies of Zod, were trained warriors, and clearly didn't know they could fly, Kara knows how to fly, and seems like it comes easy for her. A young Jor-el on Earth could fly, but apprently forgot how to when he was being chased by a mob. Zod in a human body could fly [remember his cronies could not]. Jor-Els assistant [forget her name] was on earth for weeks and weeks, and was not only much weaker then clark, but could not fly [despite beiing Jor-el assistant].

triplet

10-08-2007, 07:28 AM

Hmm....

Well, after looking through this thread I think I liked this episode more than most did.

*shrug*

Anyway, my review's up: http://www.kryptonsite.com/karareview.htm

COMPO

10-08-2007, 10:29 AM

good review trip, although i think Kara was being like Clark during those Krypton scenes you know by bottling her feelings up.

DvilDog

10-08-2007, 10:32 AM

Great review trip usual

DvilDog

10-08-2007, 10:40 AM

I think lauras lines were a little forced and grant was way over the top IMO but other than that I thought the episode was spot on. Though trip I think I would have given it 4 super chicks getting slammed on the ground out of 5 lol

triplet

10-08-2007, 10:53 AM

good review trip, although i think Kara was being like Clark during those Krypton scenes you know by bottling her feelings up.

Oh, I don't know.... I watched the episode several times. I'm convinced she wasn't being truthful.

If it's because the truth is painful and she doesn't want to talk about it, I'm not so sure about...

I think she's lying because if she tells Clark too much it might tip her hand of what her real objective was in going to earth.

I guess we'll eventually find out, one way or another.

Great review trip usual

Thanks!

I think lauras lines were a little forced and grant was way over the top IMO but other than that I thought the episode was spot on. Though trip I think I would have given it 4 super chicks getting slammed on the ground out of 5 lol

LOL!

That scene was great. Clark can't fly yet but him so easily keeping her grounded was amusing so maybe I shoulda used that.

I used to use stars and a friend of mine said I should try to be specific to something in the episode. He was right, it's much more fun than using stars or superman shields or something like that.

:up:

Smart guy.

Red

10-08-2007, 11:45 AM

Hmm....

Well, after looking through this thread I think I liked this episode more than most did.

*shrug*

Anyway, my review's up: http://www.kryptonsite.com/karareview.htm

Great review Trip, I gonna have to rewatch that Lana/Lex scene at the end. I got the same feeling you did that perhaps Lex was truly sincere for his actions to Lana.

COMPO

10-08-2007, 12:26 PM

Oh, I don't know.... I watched the episode several times. I'm convinced she wasn't being truthful.

If it's because the truth is painful and she doesn't want to talk about it, I'm not so sure about...

I think she's lying because if she tells Clark too much it might tip her hand of what her real objective was in going to earth.

I guess we'll eventually find out, one way or another.

I can't wait to find out what it is. I wonder if they'll have a fight at the end of the series with both of them flying across Smallville while, fighting.

LOL!

That scene was great. Clark can't fly yet but him so easily keeping her grounded was amusing so maybe I shoulda used that.

I used to use stars and a friend of mine said I should try to be specific to something in the episode. He was right, it's much more fun than using stars or superman shields or something like that.

:up:

Smart guy.

yeah, that was a good scene. I liked that he was aggressive to her but, yet kind at the same time.

triplet

10-08-2007, 01:18 PM

Great review Trip, I gonna have to rewatch that Lana/Lex scene at the end. I got the same feeling you did that perhaps Lex was truly sincere for his actions to Lana.

I only really thought he was sincere about that the first time I saw it:

In subsequent viewings, I'm not so sure Lex really wanted to die.

I think he was manipulating her.

He was taking a chance she would pull the trigger, but I think that was a calculated risk. He knows her well enough to guess faking her own death isn't actually the same as killing someone.

She has killed a time or two in the past, most notably I think was in Pheonix when she was fighting for her life and then again as Isobel in Commencement but I don't believe she's ever killed in cold blood before.

I think that Lex was sincere in regretting what he did to her, but not enough to actually want to die for it.

What a terrific scene for both actors, however.

:up:

Awesome and Michael was almost phoning it in the rest of the episode, so I was glad to see him do this important scene so well.

Serene

10-08-2007, 06:32 PM

Hmm....

Well, after looking through this thread I think I liked this episode more than most did.

*shrug*

Anyway, my review's up: http://www.kryptonsite.com/karareview.htm

I LOVED this review, trip. :up: I think it's one of my favorites that you've done. I'm surprised that you think you liked it more than most people though, from what I've seen in the SV forums that I read/skim/lurk is that this episode did get a mostly positive response from people. There are always those few places that seem to ALWAYS have nothing but negative comments to make, but in general, I'm seeing a LOT of renewed excitement in the show this season (so far). :)

LoisL

10-08-2007, 08:48 PM

Hmm....

Well, after looking through this thread I think I liked this episode more than most did.

*shrug*

Anyway, my review's up: http://www.kryptonsite.com/karareview.htm

Great review, triplet! I just finished watching Kara for myself and your feelings pretty much summed up my own. :) Esp. re:LV, the editor, Lois, Chloe, Clark, Lana, Lex... um, ok, I think I agreed with everything?

I liked the editor alot; he's funny and he's got a little Perry White in him. There were many great lines in this episode but my favorite one may be "You could be Lois Lane: Star Reporter, whose name is synonomous with The Daily Planet or..." I whooped in victory. Then again, I also loved his "It's ridiculous! It's absurd how good it is! Your prose leaps off the page like a Bengali tiger!" LOL How funny was it when Lois called him "Bowtie"? I can't wait to see more Daily Planet interaction. The introduction of an editor really brings that set to life.

The Joker_1000

10-08-2007, 09:22 PM

I thought Nam-Ek and Aethyr couldn't fly because they didn't absorb enough energy from the yellow sun. Kara, on the other hand, was in suspended animation since '89 and absorbed enough energy. Plus, she didn't have any mental barriers and knew who she was. Zor-El could have told her that she would be able to fly so that's why as soon as she got out, she could fly. The only thing stopping Clark is that mental barrier, which I think is a clever excuse from keeping him from flying.

That's rubbish because if that was the case Zod wouldn't have even been able to fly & he wasn't even in a Kryptonian body.

Eros

10-08-2007, 09:25 PM

Yea the young editor was pretty cool, the Daily Planet is usally populated by lifeless drones on the show, its very refreshing to see someone with a personality besides the main cast.

The Joker_1000

10-08-2007, 09:27 PM

Agreed. I like that guy for some reason (in a non homosexual way).

avidreader

10-08-2007, 09:35 PM

Yea the young editor was pretty cool, the Daily Planet is usally populated by lifeless drones on the show, its very refreshing to see someone with a personality besides the main cast.

I enjoyed him too, and on subsequent viewings, I enjoy him more each time.

He's a great addition. But I just read an interesting spoiler about him over at DTS via Kristen at E! Online.

Jake from Seattle: Smallville?

While the new editor in chief of the Daily Planet seems like the picture of perfection, you might want to think again. There's something dark behind those pearly whites.

Prison Mike

10-08-2007, 09:39 PM

That's rubbish because if that was the case Zod wouldn't have even been able to fly & he wasn't even in a Kryptonian body.

But Lex was given the powers before Zod even possessed him. Lex's body was prepared for Zod.

triplet

10-08-2007, 09:54 PM

I LOVED this review, trip. :up: I think it's one of my favorites that you've done. I'm surprised that you think you liked it more than most people though, from what I've seen in the SV forums that I read/skim/lurk is that this episode did get a mostly positive response from people. There are always those few places that seem to ALWAYS have nothing but negative comments to make, but in general, I'm seeing a LOT of renewed excitement in the show this season (so far). :)

True, but I was actually talking about here in this thread that some people really seemed to take the episode apart. I enjoyed it for the most part, all the contrivances aside.

Great review, triplet! I just finished watching Kara for myself and your feelings pretty much summed up my own. :) Esp. re:LV, the editor, Lois, Chloe, Clark, Lana, Lex... um, ok, I think I agreed with everything?

I liked the editor alot; he's funny and he's got a little Perry White in him. There were many great lines in this episode but my favorite one may be "You could be Lois Lane: Star Reporter, whose name is synonomous with The Daily Planet or..." I whooped in victory. Then again, I also loved his "It's ridiculous! It's absurd how good it is! Your prose leaps off the page like a Bengali tiger!" LOL How funny was it when Lois called him "Bowtie"? I can't wait to see more Daily Planet interaction. The introduction of an editor really brings that set to life.

I think he will light a much-needed fire under Chloe's butt, I'm already tired of this mopey, oh-woe-is-me storyline for her about her now manifested meteor power.

I hope she can snap out of it. If it takes a manipulative, yet charming, bastard to do it all the more power to him. Doesn't hurt that Michael Cassidy is so dang easy on the eyes...

;)

Too skinny for me, I guess not all guys can be built like Tom ;), but he is nice to look at.

Yea the young editor was pretty cool, the Daily Planet is usally populated by lifeless drones on the show, its very refreshing to see someone with a personality besides the main cast.

Yeah, true...

And thank you for hiding that spoiler behind a tag, avid. I was strong and didn't peek...

:D

The Joker_1000

10-08-2007, 10:00 PM

But Lex was given the powers before Zod even possessed him. Lex's body was prepared for Zod.

Answer this: Even with those powers, did that make Lex Kryptonian? I'll answer it, no it did not.

C. Lee

10-08-2007, 10:20 PM

I watched Bizarro and Kara today (I went out on a limb because I haven't seen season 6 yet)....I wanted to see what Supergirl was like. The episodes were interesting and fun (although I have a lot of unanswered questions about the previous season now).

The Caped Knight

10-08-2007, 10:32 PM

C. Lee

10-08-2007, 10:40 PM

So What do you think so far C. Lee about Supergirl ?

So far so good. I understand her not knowing what all of her powers on Earth would be (she said her dad and Jor-El were estranged so didn't talk much) and why she could fly and Clark can't (the line "I guess girls do develope faster than guys." could actually explain it).

Her being in suspended animation for 18 years is similar to what was done in the Superman/Batman comic (I liked that storyline)...but I'm not sure where she got her clothes.

Hush

10-08-2007, 10:47 PM

Actually i dont think clark flies cause he is scared of heights if i remember correctly.

The Caped Knight

10-08-2007, 11:01 PM

So far so good. I understand her not knowing what all of her powers on Earth would be (she said her dad and Jor-El were estranged so didn't talk much) and why she could fly and Clark can't (the line "I guess girls do develope faster than guys." could actually explain it).

Her being in suspended animation for 18 years is similar to what was done in the Superman/Batman comic (I liked that storyline)...but I'm not sure where she got her clothes.

I Think Zor-EL only told her the basics

1. Flight

2. Super Strength

3. Super Speed

4. Invulnerability

possible Heat Vision .

Since in "Crusade" Crosby said this "That means... That means he's completely embraced his Kryptonian destiny." When Martha Told him he flew away .

I'm guessing Clark's got to fully embrace his Destiny , In Order to Fly .

The suspended animation plot came from STAS (That's where Loeb got the idea for his re-vamp in the comics .)

LoisL

10-08-2007, 11:52 PM

LoisL

10-09-2007, 12:04 AM

I think my favorite scene is the long talk Kara & Clark had after she found out who he truly was.

What about you all?

That was a great scene, Vegeta. But I think my favorite one was the entire opening sequence. Clois goodness plus the fight and a great Supergirl space shot with continuity from S3 (the baby image). If not that, then probably the scene where Lois catches the editor getting ready for the Publisher's Guild or whatever and he talks about her destiny. Hmm, Lexana gets a bronze medal. That was a nifty scene; I love Lana Luthor. She brings back good memories of Helen and Isobelle.

I think he will light a much-needed fire under Chloe's butt, I'm already tired of this mopey, oh-woe-is-me storyline for her about her now manifested meteor power.

I hope she can snap out of it. If it takes a manipulative, yet charming, bastard to do it all the more power to him.

While I agree with you that AM's in some kind of funk, I'm not sure how I want her to get out of it. I think her lack of usual helpfulness has gone a long way to make Clark more Supermanly in the past two episodes. I also find the meteor freak power storyline more interesting than her usual journalism stuff (we've seen her engrossing computer work for 6 seasons now); on the other hand, if she gets into gear partnering up with Lois and Jimmy and Clark, then that could be fun. It'd be The DP Friends.

I enjoyed him too, and on subsequent viewings, I enjoy him more each time.

He's a great addition. But I just read an interesting spoiler about him over at DTS via Kristen at E! Online.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

rumpuso

10-09-2007, 05:34 AM

I enjoyed him too, and on subsequent viewings, I enjoy him more each time.

He's a great addition. But I just read an interesting spoiler about him over at DTS via Kristen at E! Online.

Jake from Seattle: Smallville?

While the new editor in chief of the Daily Planet seems like the picture of perfection, you might want to think again. There's something dark behind those pearly whites.

Honestly, I thought I was the only one who enjoyed the editor. His personality was definitely over-the-top. To me, he felt like someone planted there for Chloe...almost as if he was using Lois to get to Chloe in a round-about way. Don't know where his storyline will go, but he's going to shake things up for sure.

Whiteflag

10-09-2007, 06:23 AM

I don't mind the character of the editor. In fact, he reminds me of a certain character in the Lois & Clark series. I just didn't like the acting. *Shrugs*

mellyM

10-09-2007, 06:26 AM

I don't mind the character of the editor. In fact, he reminds me of a certain character in the Lois & Clark series. I just didn't like the acting. *Shrugs*

I do think it was the acting that bothered me too, but I imagine he'll tone it down once he gets into his character a bit more. I don't mind him being there, his portrayal just didnt impress me, but I care more about the acting than I should probably.

Riva

10-09-2007, 07:53 AM

Good review, Trip. So glad to be reading them again. :yay:

Oh, and I LOVED that Clark was the one who had thought of the alarm maybe being the source of the AM/FM black out in Granville... He was also the one who helped Kara to figure out that by using her Super-hearing that it'd be far easier to find the ship. She did the "saving" of the day at the end, but she couldn't have done it without Clark's help. Clark is often passive and lets other people do the thinking (all the deus-ex-Chloe that I've complained about before), so it's good the writers had given Clark chances to figure stuff out here. Tom Welling, of course, was amazing. His shorter hair cut is growing on me and it's clear he's been working out. He looked very good in this episode in addition to being just plain adorable when he got frustrated with Kara. She's really going to push his buttons, its clear, but I liked the chemistry between the two of them. He did really give a big-brother-type vibe in his scenes with her once he found out the relationship they have. I loved the scene where he helped her with the super-hearing. Tom played Clark as caring, yet firm, with her and I loved the end when he learned a little about his home and his mother from Kara. It's the best reason she's in the series and it was a poignant scene for both of them and Tom played it perfectly. ITA! Clark was so awesome. And I also agree about his scenes with Kara.

Erica Durance did an awesome job! Although Lois doesn't openly show affection for Clark, I thought it was sweet how she was obviously affected by the possibility of him leaving. Erica played that moment perfectly, a little heartfelt emotion hidden under some of Lois' more usual snark. And I loved how tenacious her Lois is. She wanted to try and protect her cousin, but she didn't let that get in the way of getting her story. Her scene at the end with Chloe was a little strange, somehow. I'm not sure I can put a finger on exactly why, but other than that her performance was terrific. Erica is getting better and better, I agree. I loved Lois in this episode. I'm curious about what you felt was off in the last scene? Any thoughts?

I also have to say, SO much word to everything you said about the Lexana scene. It was so gorgeous, and twisted on so many levels. Seeing the hate on Lana's face so clearly, but her being unable to pull the trigger. And Lex just being completely manipulative but with those touches of ambiguity to the whole thing. It was an amazingly written scene and performed perfectly by Michael and Kristin.

Prison Mike

10-09-2007, 09:40 AM

Answer this: Even with those powers, did that make Lex Kryptonian? I'll answer it, no it did not.

you don't have to be Kryptonian to fly. MM is from Mars and he flys.

avidreader

10-09-2007, 09:47 AM

I also have to say, SO much word to everything you said about the Lexana scene. It was so gorgeous, and twisted on so many levels. Seeing the hate on Lana's face so clearly, but her being unable to pull the trigger. And Lex just being completely manipulative but with those touches of ambiguity to the whole thing. It was an amazingly written scene and performed perfectly by Michael and Kristin.

Someone on LJ said that the gun wasnt even loaded. Not being a gun expert, I wouldnt know what a loaded or unloaded gun looks like.

Did anyone else notice?

Serene

10-09-2007, 09:52 AM

Someone on LJ said that the gun wasnt even loaded. Not being a gun expert, I wouldnt know what a loaded or unloaded gun looks like.

Did anyone else notice?

Some people seem to have mistaken the close-up of Lex clicking on the safety for him checking for bullets. I tried to watch specifically for that in my second viewing and it seems clear that he was clicking on the safety.

I think she DID have bullets in there, and was fully intending to kill Lex. Raging anger can take a brain a very long way. Did she stop because she's simply not a murderer, or because Lex played her like a baby grand? Maybe a bit of both. :)

Prison Mike

10-09-2007, 10:24 AM

I think she stopped because she couldn't kill someone in cold blood and Lex knew very well about that so he took advantage of the situation. Either way, he comes off as someone who knew he did wrong and wanted to be punished for it (although I think that was bull and he was playing her).

Migu-EL

10-09-2007, 10:32 AM

Lex always is obsessing over something. His obsession over Lana got replaced with what he thinks is an angel (Kara) that he saw.

COMPO

10-09-2007, 10:58 AM

i wonder what will trigger him to turn evil.

avidreader

10-09-2007, 12:49 PM

Some people seem to have mistaken the close-up of Lex clicking on the safety for him checking for bullets. I tried to watch specifically for that in my second viewing and it seems clear that he was clicking on the safety.

I think she DID have bullets in there, and was fully intending to kill Lex. Raging anger can take a brain a very long way. Did she stop because she's simply not a murderer, or because Lex played her like a baby grand? Maybe a bit of both. :)

Thanks for the explanation, I didnt think we saw the casing with the bullets in it and I agree with "a bit of both". Lets hope that she was thinking of Clark at that particular moment, and she knew that that was something he wouldnt do, even though he's thought about it too, from time to time. :cwink:

The Caped Knight

10-09-2007, 01:44 PM

i wonder what will trigger him to turn evil.

The samething that started his obsession in the first place . The Meteor Shower, Clark Kent, Kryptonite, Krypto-freaks , The Kawatche Caves , the kryptonian symbols, brainiac's ship, Brainiac's black box's, The Phantom Zone criminals & now Bizarro .

Only this time his Investigation will be with (Angel) Kara Kent .

COMPO

10-09-2007, 02:04 PM

the code name shall be Angel Investigations. LOL.

Kii

10-09-2007, 03:48 PM

...but I'm not sure where she got her clothes.
Although it's relatively minor, but I was also wondering where she got the clothes. In the official description released by the CW, it said Kara was going to show up at the Kent farm(presumedly looking for Kal-El). That would have explained where she could have gotten the clothes, but of course that was not in the premiere.

Syncos

10-09-2007, 05:12 PM

Although it's relatively minor, but I was also wondering where she got the clothes. In the official description released by the CW, it said Kara was going to show up at the Kent farm(presumedly looking for Kal-El). That would have explained where she could have gotten the clothes, but of course that was not in the premiere.

... Kara showing up at the Kent Farm wouldn't explain how she got teenage girls clothing. Unless Clark's got some -other- secret he's been hiding.

I just assumed she stole them. With super speed and strength, it wouldn't take much to even take the clothes from a store.

04nbod

10-09-2007, 05:19 PM

I just assumed she stole them. With super speed and strength, it wouldn't take much to even take the clothes from a store.

or people taking a dip in the lake:woot:

Kii

10-09-2007, 05:59 PM

... Kara showing up at the Kent Farm wouldn't explain how she got teenage girls clothing. Unless Clark's got some -other- secret he's been hiding.

I just assumed she stole them. With super speed and strength, it wouldn't take much to even take the clothes from a store.
Good point, haha.

avidreader

10-09-2007, 06:00 PM

Although it's relatively minor, but I was also wondering where she got the clothes. In the official description released by the CW, it said Kara was going to show up at the Kent farm(presumedly looking for Kal-El). That would have explained where she could have gotten the clothes, but of course that was not in the premiere.

I just assumed she stole them. With super speed and strength, it wouldn't take much to even take the clothes from a store.

Thank you. :heart: I've been reading all these posts about where did she get her clothes from.

Helloooooo...... superspeed...... she ripped them off from a store. :woot: Or she could have done a Terminator and went to a strip club. :woot: :cwink:

Syncos

10-09-2007, 06:11 PM

Thank you. :heart: I've been reading all these posts about where did she get her clothes from.

Helloooooo...... superspeed...... she ripped them off from a store. :woot: Or she could have done a Terminator and went to a strip club. :woot: :cwink:

You're welcome. I -have- always been good at pointing out the painfully obvious. Glad someone finally appreciates it =P

Brainiac 8

10-10-2007, 12:18 AM

Here is my review for "Kara".

I know the new episode is tomorrow, but read and let me know what you think if you want. :)

http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=8428417&publicUserId=5414311

Brainiac 8

10-10-2007, 12:23 AM

Hmm....

Well, after looking through this thread I think I liked this episode more than most did.

*shrug*

Anyway, my review's up: http://www.kryptonsite.com/karareview.htm

Sorry for the late post Trip, but great review. If you read mine, you'll see that I also liked it more than most around here.

So far I'm really enjoying Kara, but have gripes in other places.:cwink:

C. Lee

10-10-2007, 07:32 AM

Thank you. :heart: I've been reading all these posts about where did she get her clothes from.

Helloooooo...... superspeed...... she ripped them off from a store. :woot: Or she could have done a Terminator and went to a strip club. :woot: :cwink:
Yes....I (and most likely the others too) know that is probably what was done....but I personally feel it should have been explained more.

Migu-EL

10-10-2007, 09:17 AM

Does it really matter where she got her clothes from?:huh:

It's kind of like wondering if the character's on the show ever have to go to the bathroom.:oldrazz:

The Incredible Hulk

10-10-2007, 09:36 AM

triplet

10-10-2007, 10:07 AM

Sorry for the late post Trip, but great review. If you read mine, you'll see that I also liked it more than most around here.

So far I'm really enjoying Kara, but have gripes in other places.:cwink:

I actually liked Grant and I think him pitting Chloe agaist Lois has very interesting potential as far as creating conflict is concerned, but other than that I agree with almost everything you said.

:up:

avidreader

10-10-2007, 10:28 AM

Nice review Brainy, although I totally disagree with you about Grant. :ninja:

Yes....I (and most likely the others too) know that is probably what was done....but I personally feel it should have been explained more.

I was just being silly so I hope you didnt take it personally. :O

However, Smallville never goes to a place to explain stuff that they think the audience could piece together themselves or fanwank. :cwink: There's always just too much going on in episodes for them to take the time out and give us a scene of Kara shoplifting. Besides, she probably did it in superspeed and we wouldnt have been able to see her anyway. :cwink:

Ratcrawler

10-10-2007, 10:55 AM

Yeah, acquiring an outfit for blending in was probably part of her mission training like learning English.

The Joker_1000

10-10-2007, 02:28 PM

Either way, she looks pretty damn sexy in that outfit.

Ratcrawler

10-10-2007, 06:00 PM

The Caped Knight

10-10-2007, 06:05 PM

Does it really matter where she got her clothes from?:huh:

It's kind of like wondering if the character's on the show ever have to go to the bathroom.:oldrazz:

lol

TWistim

10-10-2007, 06:34 PM

Here is my review for "Kara".

I know the new episode is tomorrow, but read and let me know what you think if you want. :)

http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=8428417&publicUserId=5414311

Enjoyed reading your review. My verdict is still out on the editor. Just need to see a little more. Loved your points on the Kara/Clark relationship. I love seeing Clark being more proactive and his "big brother" side is so endearing! A real testament to the great job of parenting that Martha and Jonathan did. :yay:

Brainiac 8

10-10-2007, 06:57 PM

that avatar is SO wrong.... :D

Yet, hilarious! :up: :woot:

I actually liked Grant and I think him pitting Chloe agaist Lois has very interesting potential as far as creating conflict is concerned, but other than that I agree with almost everything you said.

:up:

Ok, let me explain a little about Grant. I don't know if I'll end up liking the character in the long run, but as of right now he irritates me. I don't think it's the way the character is either, since he fits the mold of steriotypical young go getter career guy, and they don't usually irritate me that much.

I think it's the actor, but it was his first episode and he may grow on me. I hope so, because he did something that I have been waiting for...which is getting Lois in the DP. That in of itself may make up for me not caring for his character.

Who knows though, its still early. I may ultimately end up liking him, and I'll be the first to say that my pre-judgement was wrong.

Enjoyed reading your review. My verdict is still out on the editor. Just need to see a little more. Loved your points on the Kara/Clark relationship. I love seeing Clark being more proactive and his "big brother" side is so endearing! A real testament to the great job of parenting that Martha and Jonathan did. :yay:

One of my favorite things about the episode was how they clicked in the big brother/little sister sort of way. I hope we see more of it. I think this will lead to some major growth on Clark's part.

I really liked the episode, only slightly less than the premiere.

avidreader

10-10-2007, 07:30 PM

Yet, hilarious! :up: :woot:

Ok, let me explain a little about Grant. I don't know if I'll end up liking the character in the long run, but as of right now he irritates me. I don't think it's the way the character is either, since he fits the mold of steriotypical young go getter career guy, and they don't usually irritate me that much.

I think it's the actor, but it was his first episode and he may grow on me. I hope so, because he did something that I have been waiting for...which is getting Lois in the DP. That in of itself may make up for me not caring for his character.

Who knows though, its still early. I may ultimately end up liking him, and I'll be the first to say that my pre-judgement was wrong.

One of my favorite things about the episode was how they clicked in the big brother/little sister sort of way. I hope we see more of it. I think this will lead to some major growth on Clark's part.

I really liked the episode, only slightly less than the premiere.

My comment didnt warrant a mention. :csad: :csad: :csad:

Brainiac 8

10-10-2007, 08:37 PM

My comment didnt warrant a mention. :csad: :csad: :csad:

Sorry Avid, my comment actually was toward what you said also, I just forgot to push the quote button for you. You both liked Grant so I was giving the expanation why.

*Ruffles Avid's hair*

Forgive me? :O

avidreader

10-10-2007, 08:40 PM

Sorry Avid, my comment actually was toward what you said also, I just forgot to push the quote button for you. You both liked Grant so I was giving the expanation why.

*Ruffles Avid's hair*

Forgive me? :O

I'll always forgive you Brainy. 'Sides, I was just messin' with ya. :cwink:

You're one of my buds. :heart:

04nbod

10-10-2007, 09:19 PM

B8 your avi is so funny!

C. Lee

10-10-2007, 10:48 PM

Does it really matter where she got her clothes from?:huh:
Since I enquired about it....then obviously it does matter to me. I thought this place was here for discussion of the episodes.

Gmanofsteel

10-10-2007, 11:16 PM

can someone link me to a 7.02 ep torrent that DOES NOT have some stupid french/spanish subtitles? :( :down: :mad:

TWistim

10-11-2007, 02:06 AM

can someone link me to a 7.02 ep torrent that DOES NOT have some stupid french/spanish subtitles? :( :down: :mad:

Try this:

http://www.sidereel.com/Smallville/_watchlinkviewer/1120

Gmanofsteel

10-11-2007, 05:35 AM

thanks, but I kind of wanted to download the episode :)

The Joker_1000

10-11-2007, 08:09 AM

BTW, did anybody else find that "Girls mature faster than boys" line painfully ironic? A) because she was looking for a 3 year old who grew 15 years ahead of her and b) Clark grows up to be Super"man" while she forever remains Super"girl".

She didn't even know she was in suspended animation that long & Clark & Kara don't even know who they eventually become. Also, a nickname is a nickname, it means nothing. I could call someone "little boy", doesn't mean they are little. Besides, Kara was probably only joking anyway.

Jack O Lantern

10-11-2007, 10:31 AM

About the new editor, who does that guy still get a job, Zach was perhaps the secondmost boring guy ever on the OC and now he's here to bore us on smallville.

Uninteresting fact - Zach on the OC said Superman was his favourite superhero

Primal Slayer

10-11-2007, 01:33 PM

BTW, did anybody else find that "Girls mature faster than boys" line painfully ironic? A) because she was looking for a 3 year old who grew 15 years ahead of her and b) Clark grows up to be Super"man" while she forever remains Super"girl".

As already stated, a nickname is just a nickname to go by. Those are just titles that people know them by. Just look at the Backstreet Boys, they arent really boys anymore are they? They are grown men. Should they change their name to Backstreet Guys or Backstreet Men? No. Why? The general public know them as Backstreet Boys

newmexneon

10-12-2007, 10:53 AM

Is there anywhere on the net that I can watch this episode? My DVR crapped out on me and I didn't get to see this episode.

COMPO

10-12-2007, 11:35 AM

TV-LINKS but, it has spanish subititles.

newmexneon

10-12-2007, 12:38 PM

TV-LINKS but, it has spanish subititles.

Oh ****! Totally NSFW, Lol. luckily no one was around.:wow:

Syncos

10-12-2007, 12:54 PM

As already stated, a nickname is just a nickname to go by. Those are just titles that people know them by. Just look at the Backstreet Boys, they arent really boys anymore are they? They are grown men. Should they change their name to Backstreet Guys or Backstreet Men? No. Why? The general public know them as Backstreet Boys

Which is probably why the Backstreet Boys broke up when they hit roughly thirty, and that every attempt to get fame again has failed.

COMPO

10-12-2007, 01:42 PM

Oh ****! Totally NSFW, Lol. luckily no one was around.:wow:

whats an NSFW?

Dr Lee

10-12-2007, 03:15 PM

Not Safe For Work.

Ie nudity, Swearing and the like.

COMPO

10-12-2007, 03:17 PM

Oh, can i get in trouble for saying that?

Dr Lee

10-12-2007, 03:21 PM

I think the NSFW comment may have been from newmexneon watching the episode rather than anything you said. Though not having seen the epi yet i can't say what was NSFW.

COMPO

10-12-2007, 03:23 PM

oh, i thought it was against the rules here.

newmexneon

10-12-2007, 06:09 PM

I googled Tv links and accidently got the UK site which has nudity on it and I was at work so that was what the NSFW comment was about.

Dr Lee

10-12-2007, 06:26 PM

The UK TV links?...... Didn't know there was a UK one.

AgentPat

12-06-2007, 07:30 PM

In re-watching "Kara" tonight, it just occurred to me how much I miss the X-Filian government intrigue angle. They just dropped that like a hot potato. :(

avidreader

12-06-2007, 07:36 PM

In re-watching "Kara" tonight, it just occurred to me how much I miss the X-Filian government intrigue angle. They just dropped that like a hot potato. :(

The dude got shot by Lionel.

AgentPat

12-06-2007, 07:49 PM

The dude got shot by Lionel.Hence my disappointment; they ended it too soon. It was an excellent arc IMHO, and should have carried through the season longer. I think the government investigating UFOs and aliens behind the scenes lent a little more intelligence and credibility to the stories (vs. Krypto freaks stealing treasure maps from time capsules), and it was actually... INTERESTING! :csad:

Prison Mike

12-06-2007, 08:32 PM

Hence my disappointment; they ended it too soon. It was an excellent arc IMHO, and should have carried through the season longer. I think the government investigating UFOs and aliens behind the scenes lent a little more intelligence and credibility to the stories (vs. Krypto freaks stealing treasure maps from time capsules), and it was actually... INTERESTING! :csad:

it was all meh for me.

AgentPat

12-06-2007, 08:40 PM

it was all meh for me.The government stuff? I thought it had great potential. Kara said her crystal had all of her instructions. If lead boss man was able to download that information, they could have run with it - even after his death. But they Just. Dropped. The. Whole. Arc. I would have MUCH preferred to see them elaborate on that then...

retro the whole J&D nonsense with Genevieve Teague and Co. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/ohwell.gif

*sigh* NOTE: Trip! Don't read that spoiler!!! It has nothing to do with "Kara."

triplet

12-06-2007, 09:04 PM

Oh, thanks....

I was going to click that.

:heart:

But you do make good points, secret government (or alien) conspiracies are always good fodder for story arcs.

Think X-Files' The Smoking Man and whatever happened to Mulder's sister...

Serene

12-06-2007, 09:15 PM

In re-watching "Kara" tonight, it just occurred to me how much I miss the X-Filian government intrigue angle. They just dropped that like a hot potato. :(
Meh. My least favorite X-File episodes were the gov't conspiracy ones. I liked teh freaky deaky creature ones a lot more. I bought a 3 DVD X-File set just to have that episode (name escapes me right now) with the scary family of in-breeds. That was an awesome one, along with the carnival freak show episode.

AgentPat

12-06-2007, 09:25 PM

Oh, thanks....

I was going to click that.

:heart:Phew! If I put something in spoiler tags in an old episode thread, it's for a *future* episode, so don't read it. :D

But you do make good points, secret government (or alien) conspiracies are always good fodder for story arcs.

Think X-Files' The Smoking Man and whatever happened to Mulder's sister...Exactly!! Those story arcs grounded the show, as crazy as that is. You gotta love episodes in fantasy shows that reference the "real" world.

"They (the Buffalo Bills) will never win the Super Bowl as long as I'm alive."
- The Cigarette-Smoking Man

AgentPat

12-06-2007, 09:27 PM

Meh. My least favorite X-File episodes were the gov't conspiracy ones. I liked teh freaky deaky creature ones a lot more. I bought a 3 DVD X-File set just to have that episode (name escapes me right now) with the scary family of in-breeds. That was an awesome one, along with the carnival freak show episode.Those were... errm... filler episodes. :p

One of my favs... "Clyde Bruckman's Final Repose." :D :up:

(Oh, and "Je Souhaite" was AWESOME too!)

Serene

12-06-2007, 09:32 PM

Those were... errm... filler episodes. :p

LOL! I guess I have a history of liking filler eps. ;)

I don't know the names of any of them, but I just remembered another one that I loooved. It was one that Luke Wilson guest-starred in, and the story was told from both Scully and Mulders very different perspectives. It was a town of vampires and Luke was the sheriff. It was HYSTERICAL.

ETA: Okay, I wrote 3 sentences in a row starting with "It was..." Great grammar. :rolleyes: Next thing you know, I'll start talking about tadpole weiners.

triplet

12-06-2007, 09:37 PM

ETA: Okay, I wrote 3 sentences in a row starting with "It was..." Great grammar. :rolleyes: Next thing you know, I'll start talking about tadpole weiners.

LOL!

:D

AgentPat

12-06-2007, 10:20 PM

I know this is getting off topic, but eh... "Kara" is long over, and what else is there to talk about besides weiners, so.....

LOL! I guess I have a history of liking filler eps. ;)On a constructive level, X-Files was very much like Smallville. Not the "soap opera" elements, but the mythology ones. XF had its own mythos, which it detailed gradually. It broke-up the mythology eps with "filler" eps, many of which were excellent IMHO. In fact, I think they got better as the seasons progressed. Note: I stopped watching the show when Mulder left. Cold turkey. Mulder gone? Pfft. Cya. [waves good-bye] So I have no clue how good or bad the show was after that. But I digress...

I don't know the names of any of them, but I just remembered another one that I loooved. It was one that Luke Wilson guest-starred in, and the story was told from both Scully and Mulders very different perspectives. It was a town of vampires and Luke was the sheriff. It was HYSTERICAL.That was "Bad Blood." Good ep. :up:

One of the things that I think X-Files took advantage of that SV seems a bit reluctant to do is take chances beyond S5. SV's answer to taking chances post their 100th episode was paring Lana up with Lex. :whatever: X-Files got creative beyond the plot. For example, in XF's S6, they had an episode titled "Triangle," which was about a ship caught in the Bermuda Triangle. The episode was made to look like each act was shot in a SINGLE TAKE. That was just nuts! The camera followed Scully through various offices in the FBI building, into elevators and whatnot, and it was done seamlessly. Action takes place later on the ship in two different times and flips back and forth between the present and the past, with Mulder and Skully literally crossing through each other's paths in each time dimension. The cinema photography should have won an Emmy. (Maybe it did - I dunno.) But the episode was ridiculously avante guard. It was something I don't think they could or would have done in the first few seasons. Why'd they do it? 'Cause syndication was in the bag, and they could get away with that sheet. IMHO, the closest SV has gotten to that kind of creative approach post S5 was "Action" because of all the meta humor. But I'd love to see more far out stuff that goes beyond retro-ing past story elements. Are they out of ideas? <- Rhetorical question.

ETA: Okay, I wrote 3 sentences in a row starting with "It was..." Great grammar. :rolleyes: Next thing you know, I'll start talking about tadpole weiners.Eh. It's not a grammar or spelling class. Don't sweat it. As long as the point gets across, that's all that matters.

[Pat waves to Thunder Emperor.] LOL :p

Cmill216

12-06-2007, 10:25 PM

ETA: Okay, I wrote 3 sentences in a row starting with "It was..." Great grammar. :rolleyes: Next thing you know, I'll start talking about tadpole weiners.

:pal:

I LOL'd.

Serene

12-06-2007, 10:40 PM

One of the things that I think X-Files took advantage of that SV seems a bit reluctant to do is take chances beyond S5. SV's answer to taking chances post their 100th episode was paring Lana up with Lex. :whatever: X-Files got creative beyond the plot. For example, in XF's S6, they had an episode titled "Triangle," which was about a ship caught in the Bermuda Triangle. The episode was made to look like each act was shot in a SINGLE TAKE. That was just nuts! The camera followed Scully through various offices in the FBI building, into elevators and whatnot, and it was done seamlessly. Action takes place later on the ship in two different times and flips back and forth between the present and the past, with Mulder and Skully literally crossing through each other's paths in each time dimension. The cinema photography should have won an Emmy. (Maybe it did - I dunno.) But the episode was ridiculously avante guard. It was something I don't think they could or would have done in the first few seasons. Why'd they do it? 'Cause syndication was in the bag, and they could get away with that sheet. IMHO, the closest SV has gotten to that kind of creative approach post S5 was "Action" because of all the meta humor. But I'd love to see more far out stuff that goes beyond retro-ing past story elements. Are they out of ideas? <- Rhetorical question.

I think I remember that Bermuda Triangle episode. I kept up even less than normal after Mulder left. It wasn't the same show with him gone.

I think SV has gone outside the lines a few times, but certainly not to the extent that X-Files (or even Buffy) did. Promise was extremely well constructed and executed with the different perspectives being offered. I think too many people couldn't see past the storyline to see the really excellent episode that it was on so many levels. Noir was another exercise in alternate story-telling that I thought they did a beautiful job in delivering. Again, I think too many SV fans have really narrow expectations for every episode and when the story deviates from that, they pan the episode, and overlook that in and of itself, it may have been a fantastic episode.

Eh. It's not a grammar or spelling class. Don't sweat it. As long as the point gets across, that's all that matters.

[Pat waves to Thunder Emperor.] LOL :p

Oh, I know, I just had to laugh at myself.

AgentPat

12-06-2007, 10:57 PM

I think SV has gone outside the lines a few times, but certainly not to the extent that X-Files (or even Buffy) did. Promise was extremely well constructed and executed with the different perspectives being offered. I think too many people couldn't see past the storyline to see the really excellent episode that it was on so many levels. Noir was another exercise in alternate story-telling that I thought they did a beautiful job in delivering. Again, I think too many SV fans have really narrow expectations for every episode and when the story deviates from that, they pan the episode, and overlook that in and of itself, it may have been a fantastic episode.Agreed! Those are two excellent examples, and one's I overlooked. I'm stuck in S7. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/oopz.gif

Can we pleeeeeze have more of that? Pretty please? :csad:

LostSon88

12-07-2007, 12:00 AM

AgentPat

12-07-2007, 12:09 AM

Just watched the rerun tonight and paid specific attention to Clark and Jor-Els confrontation at the end.

Isn't it funny how Jor-EL is right basically 99% of the time? And yet Clark still refuses to listen to him? Lol.I totally agree! Which is why I'm planning to send a bomb to the SV production offices in the event they retro THAT part of the mythos too. :cmad:

avidreader

12-07-2007, 10:56 AM

Just watched the rerun tonight and paid specific attention to Clark and Jor-Els confrontation at the end.

Isn't it funny how Jor-EL is right basically 99% of the time? And yet Clark still refuses to listen to him? Lol.

Which part? I wouldnt agree with Jor-el saying that Kara wasnt to be trusted, but Clark did need to watch her closely because of her inability to be discreet and her lack of Earthly knowledge and custums.

COMPO

12-07-2007, 11:05 AM

yeah that was the 1% but, other than that he's always been right yet, Clark doesnt listen.

avidreader

12-08-2007, 07:44 AM

yeah that was the 1% but, other than that he's always been right yet, Clark doesnt listen.

Oh, I wouldnt agree with that either. Clark was right in Fierce and he was right in Lara and she didnt hang around to listen in Cure about what was going on.

LostSon88

12-09-2007, 01:11 PM

Oh, I wouldnt agree with that either. Clark was right in Fierce and he was right in Lara and she didnt hang around to listen in Cure about what was going on.

True but at the same time, Jor-EL was just going by what he knew about Zor-EL thus made a judgement call about Kara.

And technically, he was right about Kara because she most likely would've done what Zor-EL told her to do (ie release the crystal/Zor-EL and Lara) had she not learned the truth in "Lara".

Lunar_Wolf

06-18-2008, 02:39 PM

I enjoyed this Episode. I don't mind the introduction of Kara because I always thought of Smallville as a re imagining of the Superman world. Love the interaction between Kara and Clark.

The gun scene with Lex and Lana was some good stuff.

mythicalheroes

07-07-2008, 10:32 PM

Kara was teaching her cousin Kal to fly ? Before, he did. Last year when Supergirl was ready to be the next hero soaring up into the skies, She was acting rebellious for awhile and then she was obsess with Lex Luther, just like Lana Lang did.

In this era Kara and Lex were similar to the Matrix Supergirl and Lex Luther II from "The Death and Return of Superman series" and that's the whole mythology George Perez mixed the whole Incarnations on Supergirl and Superman together.

http://supergirl.astraldream.net/covers/supergirl%20vol%203%2001.jpg
http://supergirl.astraldream.net/comics/Action%20Comics%20679-11.jpg

* See in this picture the Lex Luther II who is attracted to Supergirl is similar to Lex's father Lionel Luther, isn't that a complete quincedence.

ariellem

07-07-2008, 11:07 PM

^^^ *coincidence*.
This "Lex" looks more like Wolverine than any Luthor I've seen. An Amish Wolverine.

mythicalheroes

07-08-2008, 10:08 AM

Yeah! in the Death and Return of Superman series, The Matrix Supergirl took over and use Kara's Idenity when Crisis erased all of the issues and made Kal-El the Last son of Krypton and Superman needed someone there to help him. Because, The Secret Origins of his homeworld with the Kryptonian Race was out back in 1985.

See, Crisis on Infinite Earths mess our Supergirl character and we had a non-kryptonian Supergirl from her own world different than Superman's. She wasn't called the Cousin of Superman at all.