The Amazing Spider-Man

[Themanofbat]

Aw, there there; if you're a hockey fan, your life has sucked from much earlier than just now.

Better to be a hockey fan than some patriotic apple-pie loving baseball fan... :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

Hockey rules!!! :word:

:yay:

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, baseball sucks, too.

[PhotoJones]

Almost as much as soccer.

[fifthfiend]

I never said they lie.

And now it's word games?

I mean it's just kind of sad, that you would demean yourself that way.

[TheCorpulent1]

fifthfiend is determined to have his argument today.

[fifthfiend]

Yeah, pretty much.

[PhotoJones]

I love the posters who will drag something up from pages ago, even when the discussion has moved on, just to have the last word.

[fifthfiend]

The hockey thing just wasn't doing it for me.

[TheCorpulent1]

You're a hockey fan, aren't you?

[fifthfiend]

The opposite; I just don't really go in for sports fandom.

[TheCorpulent1]

Me, either.

[fifthfiend]

Like my dad's an immigrant, so I never really got exposed to the whole team loyalty rivalry thing as a kid. I'll watch a game of whatever here and there but on some level it's always just, one bunch of guys is gonna end up with a higher number than the other bunch of guys, up there on the numbers-board.

I took a stab at it when I was younger, worked out that 1. Cheering louder doesn't make my team play any better, and 2. If my team wins I don't actually get anything out of it, and said okay, I think I'm done here.

[Anubis]

My interest in sports died the second time Michael Jordan Retired.

[Xofenroht]

I wasn't that interested until I came up to school and people started making me watch games with them.

[TheCorpulent1]

My interest in sports died the second time Michael Jordan Retired.
I almost got into basketball, actually. But the Heat had a bad season and I was like, "**** this."

[Anubis]

Yeah, it helps when your team wins six championships and are pretty much the best ever put together.

[farmernudie]

Photojones: I love the posters who will drag something up from pages ago, even when the discussion has moved on, just to have the last word.


So, what'd you guys think of OMD?

:cwink:

[Anubis]

Haven't read it.

[fifthfiend]

The bit where Peter fights Iron Man was neat, but the writing was kind of overwrought.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm so bored of talking about OMD at this point. **** it.

[farmernudie]

Yeh...me too.

:csad:

It's blatantly rediculous...and not in a good funny way.

[TheCorpulent1]

I did enjoy listening to that erislaughs chick on YouTube about it in the last Stack podcast, though. She was really serious about it, which I found hilarious because it made me see how ridiculous a lot of us would be if we were *****ing this hard in real life.

[Ion Kenshin]

for anyone insterested and for a bit of change of pace the science channel is playing a show called supehero science...talking about spidey now

[Kevin]

for anyone insterested and for a bit of change of pace the science channel is playing a show called supehero science...talking about spidey now
I'm watching the news right now, so I'll have to catch it at 1 am. Anywho, hello.

[Ion Kenshin]

hey

[Docker2.0]

Ha! Corp, if you think that girl was funny, look at this guy!


http://youtube.com/watch?v=9u0S3HuCMrg

[Anubis]

Heh, loser.

[Docker2.0]

I kind of agree, but you know what.......................dude probably bought BND. I do like how Howard Stern kind of gave Joey Q a hard time. Kind of anyway.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6CVwGMb6xGw&feature=related

[Anubis]

You know, all these have been posted already.

[Docker2.0]

They have? my bad! I don't read all the pages cuase they kind of get off topic and...............well to much to read. :o My bad!

[Anubis]

That's okay, i'm sure somebody hasn't seen em.

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe I should've posted the Stack thing. I don't think that one's been posted yet.

But I'm lazy and I don't really care.

[PhotoJones]

Amazing Spider-Man #546 sold out. (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=143241)

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, I expected that much since that's at the distributor level. BND, whether fans like it or not, is still a huge marketing deal. Retailers would be stupid not to order tons of copies.

I'm more curious to know how many copies are still sitting on shelves in the shops of all of our esteemed compatriots. I'll be checking that out at my shop tomorrow, in fact.

[PhotoJones]

And how well will future issues sell? It was a no brainer that this would sell out. I'm more interested in the next month of issues, though.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah. Even though the whole OMD/BND affair sucks from a fan standpoint, I'm actually getting kind of interested in just analyzing it from a business perspective.

[PhotoJones]

That's where I'm at, too. I couldn't care less about the actual stories. My interest is on how the sheep will respond to it.

[Blader5489]

You would have to wait until at least March (or May, if you just want to gauge Slott) in order to get an accurate indication of BND's sales. The Jan. and Feb. issues were already ordered before OMD finished.

[iloveclones]

It is interesting, because my gut instinct would normally say that any increase (even a small one) would bode well for the future. BUT, even someone like myself felt like it was jarring. I think the second issue will tell a lot as to whether it was morbid curiosity or resignation on the part of spidey-fans, as well as the 1st issue of the creative team on deck (this is the part of BND that I like the least. I never think it's a good thing to alternate creative teams. We'll see how it works.)

[iloveclones]

^^baaaaaaaa^^

[PhotoJones]

You would have to wait until at least March (or May, if you just want to gauge Slott) in order to get an accurate indication of BND's sales. The Jan. and Feb. issues were already ordered before OMD finished.

I know. I believe I talked about that in either this thread or a similar one.

[Miss Webb]

So, what'd you guys think of OMD?

:cwink:


OMD? Never heard of it. *scratches head* :woot:

Not surprised at the initial sales/distribution bump, really. Kind of expected it.

[PhotoJones]

So, does BND retcon OMD out of existence?

[TheCorpulent1]

Haw!

[PhotoJones]

I wonder when and if Quesada will ever admit that OMD was a trainwreck.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think the BND guys are going to eventually reset some things. The more I think about OMD and the creators involved in BND, the less I think they'll let something like a deal with the devil stand in Peter's history without consequences.

[PhotoJones]

Well, we're already seeing the consequences. Pete's more of a loser than he's ever been, no one knows his secret ID, Harry's back from the dead and even though Pete still has organic webshooters, he opts for the sometimes faulty mechanical ones.

[TheCorpulent1]

He still has organic webshooters? :confused:

[iloveclones]

Everyone is always saying to do this to Aunt May: Maybe they can reveal that MJ was the skrull, and you can have a Devil and Matt Murdock trial (with Charlie Daniels providing the soundtrack) nullifying the verbal, but legally binding, contract. (Judge Judy presiding, of course.)

[PhotoJones]

He still has organic webshooters?

According to Whacker, yes. That's what makes his sudden use of the mechanical ones all the more retarded.

[TheCorpulent1]

Everyone is always saying to do this to Aunt May: Maybe they can reveal that MJ was the skrull, and you can have a Devil and Matt Murdock trial (with Charlie Daniels providing the soundtrack) nullifying the verbal, but legally binding, contract. (Judge Judy presiding, of course.)
Only if Matt has to play a fiddle.

[iloveclones]

I would run with story if only to make Mephisto stammer on the witness stand. (stupid rassin' frassin shape-changin' a-holes... )

[PhotoJones]

Brevoort talked to Newsarama about the work put into developing BND. It's actually pretty interesting. Some highlights:

One McNiven:
McNiven’s involvement with the Spidey launch actually predates Steve Wacker’s involvement, and goes back to Civil War. As we were wrapping up that series, McNiven and I had been chatting about what he should do next (he was looking for a gig with a single lead character, to no one’s surprise), and I was beginning to plan the Spidey relaunch. So I broached the notion with McNiven of him coming on board and doing the initial arc, and McNiv was enthusiastic about the concept—he’s a big Spidey fan, especially of the Gil Kane/Ross Andru era, which you can kinda see in the way he approaches the character. What made McNiven attractive to me was the fact that he creates whole environments, his characters occupy space—and with Manhattan being virtually a character in Spidey’s series, that was a real benefit. Plus, being completely crass, I knew that Steve M. doing Spidey next after Civil War wrapped up gave us a huge boost in terms of sales and reader interest right off the starting line, which we were going to need.

On Bachalo:
The guy who’s really been a revelation is Chris Bachalo, as you’ll see in a few short weeks. He’s just such a natural Spidey artist in the way he gets across how the character stands and moves and interacts with his surroundings that it’s incredible to me that he was never tapped to take on Spidey before this.

On Jimenez:
Phil’s a very analytical artist, so he really spent a lot of time working out for himself how he thought Spidey would move, what kinds of wardrobe the assorted members of the cast were likely to wear, what the look and the flavor of the city would be—he really put himself through ten kinds of torture in working out how he was going to come at the character. (But I gather this is standard operating procedure for Phil—he draws from the “inside out").

On Larocca:
Salva is a huge fan of the movies. He even owns, I kid you not, one of those full-size replicas of the movie costume which he wore one Halloween. So his depiction of Spidey tends to skew a bit closer to the movie version. Plus, Salva’s style tends to be a bit more representation than a lot of Spidey artists to begin with. I look at this as artistic license, in the same way (though on a more universal level) that occasionally artists will have Spidey’s eyepieces squint or distort to express emotion or shock.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=143960

[iloveclones]

.....he’s a big Spidey fan, especially of the Gil Kane/Ross Andru era....

My kind of a guy.

[PhotoJones]

Ross Andru is one of the most underrated artists of all time.

[iloveclones]

Definately. (TMOB is a big fan. I expect him to show up any minute now.)

[PhotoJones]

I wouldn't mind if he (or anyone, really) posted some Andru drawn Spider-Man images. :up:

[Themanofbat]

Some Ross Andru Spidey art...

http://www.samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManB/Large/AmazingSpider-Man176.jpg

http://www.samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManB/Large/AmazingSpider-Man177.jpg

http://www.samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManB/Large/AmazingSpider-Man178.jpg

http://www.samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManB/Large/AmazingSpider-Man179.jpg

http://www.samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManB/Large/AmazingSpider-Man180.jpg

[PhotoJones]

I love it. :up:

[Miss Webb]

I'm so bored of talking about OMD at this point. **** it.

Now Corpy, don't be crabby...haven't you figured out there must be 1,295,888,201,823,877,555,245,012,333 threads covering every iota of every part of OMD and BND. It really really hasn't been discussed enough, I think. But here's the best part to remember

rehash the same stuff with different words!

Do that, and no one catches on. :woot:

[Xofenroht]

Yeah man, come on, don't you like arguing in circles? It's the latest craze!

[roach]

rehash the same stuff with different words!

Do that, and no one catches on. :woot:

Works for Marvel

[Xofenroht]

Works for stories.

[TheCorpulent1]

Stories that we've all seen before.

[Themanofbat]

.....he’s a big Spidey fan, especially of the Gil Kane/Ross Andru era....

My kind of a guy.

Here's a quote of mine from the Spider-Man forum regarding Amazing Spider-man #546...

Well, I just read it a while ago... and I'm pleased.

Not great, but a good solid issue.

You can tell that they have LOTS of things that they wanted to cram into the first issue, but it comes across as pretty good, with some of Slott's funny side shining through.

I especially dug the job ads around the ones that Peter circled... some really funny stuff. Slott may have some funny things to work with, but you can tell he just loves this character and was born to write Spdier-Man.

And McNiven's art was great... at times reminding me of some old Gil Kane Spider-Man.

A good start... I can't wait for next issue.

:yay:

:yay:

[Themanofbat]

Stories that we've all seen before.

When you've been reading comics for 33 + years, you'll get to see a LOT of stuff being retold in some form or another.

:csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

I've been reading comics for almost half that and I've already seen a lot of recycled ideas.

[Themanofbat]

rehash the same stuff with different words!

Works for stories.

Stories that we've all seen before.

When you've been reading comics for 33 + years, you'll get to see a LOT of stuff being retold in some form or another.

I've been reading comics for almost half that and I've already seen a lot of recycled ideas.

Therefore, Miss Webb's original comment should not come as a surprise to you...

:csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

It didn't. Xof's defense of it was just dismaying.

[Miss Webb]

Arguing in circles while arguing with squares is ultimately cool. It's like, a polygonal sort of arrangement. :cwink:

And, if people feel up to it I think about ten more OMD and BND threads should be posted. Suggested headers...

Will Pete criticize Jackpot's poor fashion sense?

Peter and the slippery webshooters...Truth, or Fiction?

Peter and JJJ...single, wild, and sex swapping!

Joey Q...Evil Incarnate or just misunderstood?

Will May make a separate deal with Mephisto, getting a new life while Peter is made old instead?

Will the Spider God and Mephisto fight over Peter?

Dan Slott...innocent or co conspirator?

Will Stan Lee protest naked outside of Marvel offices?

Yes, any of these are guaranteed to get 1,000,000,222 posts, thus causing a crash and the following message to appear:

/URL Database server down. Web page not found, see administrator. Check browser settings./

for you see, when it comes to moaning, people just can't get enough!

[Themanofbat]

Arguing in circles while arguing with squares is ultimately cool. It's like, a polygonal sort of arrangement. :cwink:

And, if people feel up to it I think about ten more OMD and BND threads should be posted. Suggested headers...

Will Pete criticize Jackpot's poor fashion sense?

Peter and the slippery webshooters...Truth, or Fiction?

Peter and JJJ...single, wild, and sex swapping!

Joey Q...Evil Incarnate or just misunderstood?

Will May make a separate deal with Mephisto, getting a new life while Peter is made old instead?

Will the Spider God and Mephisto fight over Peter?

Dan Slott...innocent or co conspirator?

Will Stan Lee protest naked outside of Marvel offices?

Yes, any of these are guaranteed to get 1,000,000,222 posts, thus causing a crash and the following message to appear:

/URL Database server down. Web page not found, see administrator. Check browser settings./

for you see, when it comes to moaning, people just can't get enough!

Thank god you stopped posting with the PINK letters... :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

:o

[PhotoJones]

If you hated them so much, why the hell did you just make a post with them? :confused:

[Kitsune]

I still prefer this solution to OMD:
http://www.comic-images.com/data/media/26/1171038240485.jpg

[Harlekin]

That's brilliant. I love the Mini-Marvels.

[PhotoJones]

So wait, what was the point of Slott's "remasking" in Avengers: The Initiative?

[Darthphere]

So wait, what was the point of Slott's "remasking" in Avengers: The Initiative?

It's pretty simple. People remember Peter unmasking during Civil War, but the whole MVP/Scarlet Spiders situation caused doubt, so now the general public remembers Spidey unmasking but are unsure as to who exactly was the person that unmasked was.

[Themanofbat]

If you hated them so much, why the hell did you just make a post with them? :huh:

I secretly liked them...

:o

[PhotoJones]

It's pretty simple. People remember Peter unmasking during Civil War, but the whole MVP/Scarlet Spiders situation caused doubt, so now the general public remembers Spidey unmasking but are unsure as to who exactly was the person that unmasked was.

Yeah, that's how it worked pre-OMD. Now the Scarlet Spiders' origin is called into question. Where did the suit come from? If Tony didn't know Peter to begin with, why the hell would he design that costume? And if Slott's explanation of the remasking still holds true, what's the point of making Mephisto make it so that no one knows his identity?

I secretly liked them...

:o

You whore.

[Darthphere]

Yeah, that's how it worked pre-OMD. Now the Scarlet Spiders' origin is called into question. Where did the suit come from? If Tony didn't know Peter to begin with, why the hell would he design that costume? And if Slott's explanation of the remasking still holds true, what's the point of making Mephisto make it so that no one knows his identity?

He was and still is an Avenger.

[PhotoJones]

He was and still is an Avenger.

So then he lived in Stark Tower with May, and (not) MJ, then right? How could they not know his identity? How could that business with the SS fool them ALL?

[Darthphere]

So then he lived in Stark Tower with May, and (not) MJ, then right? How could they not know his identity? How could that business with the SS fool them ALL?

I'm pretty sure they all know his identity (the heroes), it's just not public.

[PhotoJones]

I'm pretty sure they all know his identity (the heroes), it's just not public.

No, dude. NO ONE knows his identity. No one. Not any of the heroes. That's what makes that issue of Avengers: The Initiative completely pointless.

[Darthphere]

No, dude. NO ONE knows his identity. No one. Not any of the heroes. That's what makes that issue of Avengers: The Initiative completely pointless.

Bendis lied to me again then.

[PhotoJones]

What does Bendis have to do with it?

[Darthphere]

What does Bendis have to do with it?

He's the one that told me he was and still is an Avenger. Either way, would it really be that difficult to have him be an Avenger, but he never moved into Avengers Tower with Aunt May and MJ, it's really not difficult to figure out. I mean, how long was Iron Man an Avenger before they found out he was Tony Stark? A long time. Dan Slott is so giving me a no prize.

[PhotoJones]

He's the one that told me he was and still is an Avenger. Either way, would it really be that difficult to have him be an Avenger, but he never moved into Avengers Tower with Aunt May and MJ, it's really not difficult to figure out. I mean, how long was Iron Man an Avenger before they found out he was Tony Stark? A long time. Dan Slott is so giving me a no prize.

I don't think you understand what I'm getting at. Yes, he is still an Avenger. But no, they do not know who he is. But they know who each other are. Every single one of their identities is known by everyone else. Except Pete's. That's not odd to you?

But we're supposed to believe that they did know, but now they don't because of A: TI #8. Huh? All that time together and it's completely cast in a shadow of doubt because of that? Uh...no.

[Themanofbat]

The story is as follows...

Everybody knew his identity in the past... the whole world knew his identity when he revealed himself... therefore, all events pre-OMD occured as such right up until his reluctant deal with the devil.

Now, everyone has "forgotten"... simple as that.

The only thing that I'm wondering is how Aunt May's house is still standing.

The logical answer would be that Tony had it rebuilt, but I'm hoping for an honest explanation from Marvel on all these past "inconsistencies", which I understand will come along with time.

:yay:

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think you understand what I'm getting at. Yes, he is still an Avenger. But no, they do not know who he is. But they know who each other are. Every single one of their identities is known by everyone else. Except Pete's. That's not odd to you?

But we're supposed to believe that they did know, but now they don't because of A: TI #8. Huh? All that time together and it's completely cast in a shadow of doubt because of that? Uh...no.
Just stop thinking about it. Spider-Man no longer exists for us, remember? Read With Great Power, enjoy Harris' pretty pictures, and be happy.

[PhotoJones]

The story is as follows...

Everybody knew his identity in the past... the whole world knew his identity when he revealed himself... therefore, all events pre-OMD occured as such right up until his reluctant deal with the devil.

Now, everyone has "forgotten"... simple as that.

The only thing that I'm wondering is how Aunt May's house is still standing.

The logical answer would be that Tony had it rebuilt, but I'm hoping for an honest explanation from Marvel on all these past "inconsistencies", which I understand will come along with time.

:yay:

Right, I understand that Mephisto made everyone forget. So what then is the point of Avengers: The Initiative #8? What's the good of placing doubt on Pete's identity if you're going to just turn around and erase it completely? It's useless.

[Darthphere]

I don't think you understand what I'm getting at. Yes, he is still an Avenger. But no, they do not know who he is. But they know who each other. Every single one of their identities is known by everyone else. Except Pete's. That's not odd to you?

But we're supposed to believe that they did know, but now they don't because of A: TI #8. Huh? All that time together and it's completely cast in a shadow of doubt because of that? Uh...no.

They never knew his identity, thanks to Mephisto. I know, it really makes A:TI #7 I think it is useless, but maybe not, frankly, my Spider-Man hate keeps from caring that much.

Well any explanation won't happen until April, so who knows. All I know is that it's magic, it doesn't need to be explained.

And seriously, didn't you have this same exact conversation with Dan Slott himself a couple of weeks ago? It's clear he has this worked out, let him work it out. Then you can ***** about the crappiness of the explanation.

[PhotoJones]

They never knew his identity, thanks to Mephisto. I know, it really makes A:TI #7 I think it is useless, but maybe not, frankly, my Spider-Man hate keeps from caring that much.

Well any explanation won't happen until April, so who knows. All I know is that it's magic, it doesn't need to be explained.

And seriously, didn't you have this same exact conversation with Dan Slott himself a couple of weeks ago? It's clear he has this worked out, let him work it out. Then you can ***** about the crappiness of the explanation.

No, I didn't have this conversation with Slott, and he never said he had this worked out. I'm sure it'll get ignored in the great cluster**** of Mephisto's magic.

[Darthphere]

No, I didn't have this conversation with Slott, and he never said he had this worked out. I'm sure it'll get ignored in the great cluster**** of Mephisto's magic.

Well maybe he has never said it to you, but from every interview, specifically the Word Balloon podcast he states that he'll explain the Avengers:The Initiative connection.

[PhotoJones]

My guess is that Slott wrote that issue before all the details of OMD were worked out, or before the rewrites came into place. If that's the case, then Slott never had a connection because he wouldn't have had to have one. Any connection he makes from here on out would be after the fact.

[Kitsune]

Right, I understand that Mephisto made everyone forget. So what then is the point of Avengers: The Initiative #8? What's the good of placing doubt on Pete's identity if you're going to just turn around and erase it completely? It's useless.

If only Mephisto could make us forget the whole OMD fiasco....

[TheCorpulent1]

My guess is that Slott wrote that issue before all the details of OMD were worked out, or before the rewrites came into place. If that's the case, then Slott never had a connection because he wouldn't have had to have one. Any connection he makes from here on out would be after the fact.
He says the BND team had been working on everything for a year prior to the first issue's release, so I imagine he did have at least the blueprints for something worked out already.

[PhotoJones]

He says the BND team had been working on everything for a year prior to the first issue's release, so I imagine he did have at least the blueprints for something worked out already.

Yeah, I'm sure they had something to go by. It just seems like a complete waste for Slott to devote an issue of undoing the unmasking if OMD undoes everything in the end.

[Spider-Gnome]

.....he’s a big Spidey fan, especially of the Gil Kane/Ross Andru era....

My kind of a guy.

Hey, iloveclones. We usually disagree, but like you said, us old folks need to stick together.

And on this we are in complete agreement. My first issue of Amazing was #120. This was the era of Gil Kane's pencil with John Romita Sr's inks. Therefore, that to me is iconic Spider-Man! And it wasn't too long after that that Ross Andru took over, which is what I grew up with. And people are right. Andru is not mentioned enough when discussing great Spidey artists!

[Themanofbat]

In my humble opinion, Ross Andru is THE greatest Spider-Man artist ever... :word:

:yay:

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

I really loved that run... classic.

[Mephisto]

If only Mephisto could make us forget the whole OMD fiasco....
We can deal... are you married? BWAHAHAHA...cough

[spideyboy_1111]

The story is as follows...

Everybody knew his identity in the past... the whole world knew his identity when he revealed himself... therefore, all events pre-OMD occured as such right up until his reluctant deal with the devil.

Now, everyone has "forgotten"... simple as that.

The only thing that I'm wondering is how Aunt May's house is still standing.

The logical answer would be that Tony had it rebuilt, but I'm hoping for an honest explanation from Marvel on all these past "inconsistencies", which I understand will come along with time.

:yay:

dude its more then just happening... any events that involved MJ and Peter while married together were erased as well.. such as harry's death (centered around peter and MJ, as well as there apartment and aunt mays house burning down...)

[Jack O Lantern]

The story is as follows...

Everybody knew his identity in the past... the whole world knew his identity when he revealed himself... therefore, all events pre-OMD occured as such right up until his reluctant deal with the devil.

Now, everyone has "forgotten"... simple as that.

The only thing that I'm wondering is how Aunt May's house is still standing.

The logical answer would be that Tony had it rebuilt, but I'm hoping for an honest explanation from Marvel on all these past "inconsistencies", which I understand will come along with time.

:yay:

Wasn't his Aunt's house destroyed by that Charlie boy in skin deep? If it was then the explainantion is,I think, Charlie only got the money to create the accident that turned him into that thing because of Peter's relationship with tony Stark, since Stark doesn't no who Spidey is he never got the grant, never changed himself, never caused the damage

[Xofenroht]

I'm pretty sure Spidey is no longer an Avenger by the time BND takes place. Remember? He's been missing for the past few months.

[Overman27pj]

Holy Hell.

I think just about anyone on this board (namely PJ) could be a better editor for Marvel than the ones they have.

I haven't been collecting in a while, but this whole event has turned me off to the 616 in General.

If I get any Spidey I'm going ultimate, and if I dig any other comics it ain't going to be Marvel ones. How on Earth do you F everything up this bad. It is almost unreadable. Every consistancy error just is a big 'FU' to the reader.

[PhotoJones]

I think just about anyone on this board (namely PJ) could be a better editor for Marvel than the ones they have.

Corp and I are set to take over Marvel any minute now. The changes will be swift and without mercy. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

There will be at least 4 Thor ongoings and 2 Black Knight mini-series per annum.

[PhotoJones]

Lee Weeks will pencil 5 books at a time and they will all ship weekly.

[TheCorpulent1]

We will clone his drawing arm and graft four more onto his body to accomplish this. The House of Ideas has been dead for years; ours will be the House of Better Comics Through Science.

[PhotoJones]

Word. Also there will finally be a 616/Ultimate crossover event. It will occur solely in a one-shot written by myself and drawn by Art Adams and it will feature the end of the Ultimate Universe. There will be no explanation given, other than the fact that Mephisto will be involved.

[Doc Destruction]

I'd like to contribute. I'd start with an Avengers book where Wanda wakes up next to Vision and says "I just had the strangest dream!" and then they join the rest of the Avengers (Cap, Hawkeye, Black Knight, Iron Man, etc) for pancakes when Kang shows up with his latest threat.

[TheCorpulent1]

Word. Also there will finally be a 616/Ultimate crossover event. It will occur solely in a one-shot written by myself and drawn by Art Adams and it will feature the end of the Ultimate Universe. There will be no explanation given, other than the fact that Mephisto will be involved.
Sales will soar and, in a year or two, no one will even remember there ever was an Ultimate universe. :up:

[PhotoJones]

I'd like to contribute. I'd start with an Avengers book where Wanda wakes up next to Vision and says "I just had the strangest dream!" and then they join the rest of the Avengers (Cap, Hawkeye, Black Knight, Iron Man, etc) for pancakes when Kang shows up with his latest threat.


No. There will be no retcons of that nature. No waking up from dreams or easy outs like that. We will simply have to improve upon what came before us.

[Norman Osborn]

There will be at least 4 Thor ongoings and 2 Black Knight mini-series per annum.

"Fired!!"

[TheCorpulent1]

If you can't appreciate Thor, you'll no longer be allowed to read Marvel comics. Agents from the newly minted Marvel Wetworks Division will arrive at your doorstep shortly with a "surprise."

[Doc Destruction]

No. There will be no retcons of that nature. No waking up from dreams or easy outs like that. We will simply have to improve upon what came before us.

Fine, then Wanda shows back up to fix what she screwed up in the first place and says "No more Civil War", and things flutter back to normal.

[Norman Osborn]

If you can't appreciate Thor, you'll no longer be allowed to read Marvel comics. Agents from the newly minted Marvel Wetworks Division will arrive at your doorstep shortly with a "surprise."

I'm at work!:cmad:

[PhotoJones]

Fine, then Wanda shows back up to fix what she screwed up in the first place and says "No more Civil War", and things flutter back to normal.

What did I just tell you?

[wolvie2020]

The story is as follows...

Everybody knew his identity in the past... the whole world knew his identity when he revealed himself... therefore, all events pre-OMD occured as such right up until his reluctant deal with the devil.

Now, everyone has "forgotten"... simple as that.

The only thing that I'm wondering is how Aunt May's house is still standing.

The logical answer would be that Tony had it rebuilt, but I'm hoping for an honest explanation from Marvel on all these past "inconsistencies", which I understand will come along with time.

:yay:

Quite a few of these 'inconsistencies,' will never get cleared up. JQ has gone on the record to sat it himself, it's magic, done. It's one of the reasons JMS wanted his name taken off of OMD, he said that magic still needs logic, and that this is very bad storytelling.

Which it is. He even went as far as saying that it's science fiction 101 to NOT write stories like that...

So yea, we just have to look past a lot of it, lol

[TheCorpulent1]

What did I just tell you?
Can she at least rewire Dr. Strange's brain so he doesn't suck anymore? :(

[PhotoJones]

Can she at least rewire Dr. Strange's brain so he doesn't suck anymore? :(

No. Wanda is not going to have the power to do that anymore. She'll make a return with Strange and Charles putting mental blocks on her, with her permission. Her story will become one of redemption.

[TheCorpulent1]

But Strange can't do anything but make holograms now. :o

[PhotoJones]

But Strange can't do anything but make holograms now. :o

That will be revealed to be the result of a parasite that he picked up from the astral plane. The fact that it had attatched itself to him without his knowledge obviously disturbs him and he investigates the hows and the whys in the first arc of BKV and Marcos Martin's new ongoing series.

[TheCorpulent1]

Can we slip Leinil Yu a note about using his costume from The Oath instead of his poofy David Copperfield shirt while we're at it?

[PhotoJones]

It's already been done. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Excellent. Vincent Price-ness, here we come.

[PhotoJones]

Young Vincent Price-ness. Actually, I like to think of Strange as a combination of Price and maybe Timothy Dalton.

[Overman27pj]

LOL!!!!!!!

How about a spidey from the past that had traveled to the future comes back to this alternate reality past during BND then we follow that spidey back to the past and pick the story up with him in the mid 80's.

[iloveclones]

Corp and I are set to take over Marvel any minute now. The changes will be swift and without mercy. :up:

Good God. Page after page of useless one-line trivia. You might as well just sign up Bendis to ghost write it for you ;)

[PhotoJones]

Don't be jealous that you can't be included. :o

[iloveclones]

Pleeeeeeeaaaaassssseeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[moraldeficiency]

I'll will add my support along with my army of highly trained attack ferrets to this righteous coup as long as the following conditions are met:

1. Reginald Hudlin must be stricken from Marvel and forced to join the KKK as an because of an obsure affirmative action clause.

2. The sentry goes back to freebasing coke, thus making him semi interesting

3. Bendis is never again allowed to go near any character he hasn't created himself.

4. Free donuts on Mondays.

^There will be NO negotiation's regarding point #4

[TheCorpulent1]

Good God. Page after page of useless one-line trivia. You might as well just sign up Bendis to ghost write it for you ;)
You mean like this very bit of one-line snarkiness? Wouldn't it be a delicious irony if, in the process of bending Marvel to our will, we turned you into us? :oldrazz:

[iloveclones]

You mean like this very bit of one-line snarkiness? Wouldn't it be a delicious irony if, in the process of bending Marvel to our will, we turned you into us? :oldrazz:

I don't have nearly the industriousness. A couple times a day is pretty much my limit on the snarky comments. I'll leave it to the pros. (Of course, if you're ever looking for freelancers......)

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, I wouldn't hire you to write my material now because of the WGA strike. Obviously you're either not a member or you're a scab, and I won't tolerate either one. :o

[fifthfiend]

Well, I wouldn't hire you to write my material now because of the WGA strike. Obviously you're either not a member or you're a scab, and I won't tolerate either one. :o

I don't think screenwriters are barred from doing work in other venues. Considering how long the strike's gone on now you could probably pick up an actual union member to do your comments-snarking pretty cheap.

[TheCorpulent1]

There's a thought for improving the quality of arguments on the internet a bit...

Fanboy: I hated OMD, but I'm just gonna rant and curse if I talk about it. So I've hired a WGA screenwriter to write my argument for me for $10. Take it away, M. Night!

[ZeroCorpse]

So, three issues into BND, and I'm starting to hate it. Of course, I'm not BUYING it. I'm only reading it in the store, but I really don't like the whole "Peter Parker is a luckless loser" thing. It SUCKS. Here I was just getting to like the Peter Parker that was becoming an accepted, valued member of the superhero community and a talented teacher, husband, and nephew, and we're returned to the days of Pete being a chump.

That whole "Parker luck" thing just pisses me off. I dislike the direction the new stories are taking, with Pete being just plain downtrodden every step of the way, Harry hating Spider-Man (and being alive), and major villains being intimately tied to Aunt May by some major coincidence.

I SERIOUSLY didn't ask for this. I was HAPPY with the Spider-Man I was reading just two months ago. Now, I'm reading something that feels like REPRINTS of the Spider-Man I read 20 years ago. It's as if Pete never evolved past the character he was in the early 1980s.

This sucks. Slott can write well enough but the setting he's using sucks. He's apparently not talented enough to write about a married Spider-Man, or a dead Aunt May, or a dead Harry. I know this is all Joe Q's fault, but this run just plain SUCKS so far. I hate the "gosh, I'm just so down on my luck" dialogue, and I hate the damn THOUGHT BUBBLES everywhere. I feel like I'm reading a fracking silver age comic, and that is NOT a good thing.

The Silver Age is dead. We've evolved. Why does Marvel want to devolve now?

I may have to stop reading Amazing Spider-Man. This is just making me too mad.

[Anubis]

Yuh huh.

[Blader5489]

I may have to stop reading Amazing Spider-Man. This is just making me too mad.

Oh noes!

[roach]

this thread is too funny

[fifthfiend]

So, three issues into BND, and I'm starting to hate it. Of course, I'm not BUYING it. I'm only reading it in the store, but I really don't like the whole "Peter Parker is a luckless loser" thing. It SUCKS. Here I was just getting to like the Peter Parker that was becoming an accepted, valued member of the superhero community and a talented teacher, husband, and nephew, and we're returned to the days of Pete being a chump.

That whole "Parker luck" thing just pisses me off. I dislike the direction the new stories are taking, with Pete being just plain downtrodden every step of the way, Harry hating Spider-Man (and being alive), and major villains being intimately tied to Aunt May by some major coincidence.

I SERIOUSLY didn't ask for this. I was HAPPY with the Spider-Man I was reading just two months ago. Now, I'm reading something that feels like REPRINTS of the Spider-Man I read 20 years ago. It's as if Pete never evolved past the character he was in the early 1980s.

This sucks. Slott can write well enough but the setting he's using sucks. He's apparently not talented enough to write about a married Spider-Man, or a dead Aunt May, or a dead Harry. I know this is all Joe Q's fault, but this run just plain SUCKS so far. I hate the "gosh, I'm just so down on my luck" dialogue, and I hate the damn THOUGHT BUBBLES everywhere. I feel like I'm reading a fracking silver age comic, and that is NOT a good thing.

The Silver Age is dead. We've evolved. Why does Marvel want to devolve now?

I may have to stop reading Amazing Spider-Man. This is just making me too mad.

Now see that was pretty good, but just think how much better it could've been if you'd had Aaron Sorkin to ghost it for you.

[Wolfwood]

I just wanted to randomly throw this out there cause it kind of bugs me, I hate the fact that they try and modernize or make the cast seem younger (whatever the hell they're doing) and yet some of them will still talk like they're back in the 60s. It doesn't happen a lot, but when it does it kind of irks me. I know that's a small complaint, but it was bugging me and I had to get it off my chest. :o

[spideyboy_1111]

I just love the fact that this comic is giving us zero progression, and in the end really has only given us a big mess of confusion. Work forward, not backward. I hate how Marvel is soooo afraid to fix whats broken, instead they just erase.

[The_Question]

One of the only ways I could see myself reconciling with this storyline is if the majority of what Mephisto has undone happens anyway. Let the shady thug guy learn Spider-Man's identity and sell it to Mr Negative, and let May die from Mr. N's poison. Serves him right for dealing with a devil.

[mathhater]

Here's a post I've used before...but it's one of my better worded opinions, so where applicable, I throw it there.

But this BND stuff has made me, for the first time in my life, drop a title completely. I'm done with Spider-Man. Say what you will about some of the recent storylines...The Other, Unmasked, etc. Even if they were missteps, they were stories that were attempting to move the character forward. BND is taking the character back 20 years, with no explanation for the regression aside from "it's magic." I can't read "new" Spider-Man stories to see an Aunt May who doesn't know Peter's secret, to see a single Peter, to see a Harry who's alive all of a sudden. Even if I could handle these changes to the previous status quo, the way it was handled was just so poor that I can not in good conscience continue with this character. It saddens me, but it's what I have to do as a comic fan.

From now on, if I want a Spider-Man fix, it's coming from some trades or some back issues before "everything-old-as-hell-is-new-again."

[TheCorpulent1]

Not a bad idea. I may just take up reading the Essentials now. They've regressed the character back to his '70s status quo, so I might as well read the original stories from the '70s that they're so desperate to recapture if I want some Spider-Man action. :up:

[PhotoJones]

Anyone else hear that Marcos Martin is doing an arc with Slott in a few months?

[TheCorpulent1]

You're ****ing lying. :dry:

[wobbly]

One of the only ways I could see myself reconciling with this storyline is if the majority of what Mephisto has undone happens anyway. Let the shady thug guy learn Spider-Man's identity and sell it to Mr Negative, and let May die from Mr. N's poison. Serves him right for dealing with a devil.


May is Peters Aunt my marriage...So unless Marvel are gonna make out MJ did have/is* having a kid by Peter he has no living blood relatives.

But yes, unless Marvel/Quesada are really intent in setting one hell of a bad example, the deal should come back and bite Peter on his @ss big time.

*Not saying this is at all likely given Quesada's objections to ageing Peter in the slightest, but the fate of Peter and MJ's baby has never been revealed (not counting Spider-Girl, 'What-If' alternate reality and all that) and since we have no idea what happened during the spell that Pete and MJ were now shacked up together, rather than ever being married (which is apparently the get around Quesada wants us to accept to explain all the history where them being together is essential) the baby could still have existed and still be around somewhere.

[BrianWilly]

May is Peters Aunt my marriage...So unless Marvel are gonna make out MJ did have/is* having a kid by Peter he has no living blood relatives.Hey that's...actually a good point. Which of course means that it's probably going to get ignored.

Of course, it may explain why Peter was reasonably nonchalant about giving out his blood at all.

[Blader5489]

Anyone else hear that Marcos Martin is doing an arc with Slott in a few months?

I don't know if it's with Slott, but yeah Marcos Martin will be doing an arc on ASM.

[Themanofbat]

Hey that's...actually a good point. Which of course means that it's probably going to get ignored.

Of course, it may explain why Peter was reasonably nonchalant about giving out his blood at all.

Well, it could still kill Peter...

[Arkady Rossovich]

How are sales after OMD?

[PhotoJones]

Stellar. :(

[Darthphere]

I'm so going to cave and buy the trade.

[PhotoJones]

Just punch a kid in the face and take his. :up:

[Darthphere]

Yes, that would be cheaper.

[Themanofbat]

Just borrow PJ's comics...

:yay:

[Dan_Slott]

I don't know if it's with Slott, but yeah Marcos Martin will be doing an arc on ASM.

Oh yeah! It's with me, True Believers! And it looks AWESOME! The first issue is out the second week of May. It's already plotted, penciled, inked, and colored-- and I'm scripting it this weekend! I can't wait!

You can see glimpses of Marcos' character designs for two of our new characters, Screwball and Paper Doll here:
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/006801372.cfm
(Though I know there are better shots of them somewhere online...)

Anyone who's read any of Marcos' previous works (like BATGIRL YEAR ONE or DOCTOR STRANGE: THE OATH) knows that we're in for a treat!

ttyl
Dan
:spidey:

[PhotoJones]

I will say one one thing about BND, and that is the level of coordination and talent involved is astonishing.

[iloveclones]

Oh yeah! It's with me, True Believers! And it looks AWESOME! The first issue is out the second week of May. It's already plotted, penciled, inked, and colored-- and I'm scripting it this weekend! I can't wait!

You can see glimpses of Marcos' character designs for two of our new characters, Screwball and Paper Doll here:
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/006801372.cfm
(Though I know there are better shots of them somewhere online...)

Anyone who's read any of Marcos' previous works (like BATGIRL YEAR ONE or DOCTOR STRANGE: THE OATH) knows that we're in for a treat!

ttyl
Dan
:spidey:


Very excited to hear about this. I loved his work on Doctor Strange. Can't seem to follow that link here at work. I hope someone posts it.

[moraldeficiency]

I will say one one thing about BND, and that is the level of coordination and talent involved is astonishing.

It makes it hard to bear. Wacker was a perfect choice to handle this.

[PhotoJones]

He really was. He must be like, Super-Editor, or something.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh yeah! It's with me, True Believers! And it looks AWESOME! The first issue is out the second week of May. It's already plotted, penciled, inked, and colored-- and I'm scripting it this weekend! I can't wait!

You can see glimpses of Marcos' character designs for two of our new characters, Screwball and Paper Doll here:
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/006801372.cfm
(Though I know there are better shots of them somewhere online...)

Anyone who's read any of Marcos' previous works (like BATGIRL YEAR ONE or DOCTOR STRANGE: THE OATH) knows that we're in for a treat!

ttyl
Dan
:spidey:
AAAARGH, I'm gonna have to miss Marcos Martin's art?! This gets worse and worse. :(

[PhotoJones]

Yeah, man, it's getting bad. McNiven, Bachalo, JRJR and now Martin.

[TheCorpulent1]

The rest I could bear, but I've been jonesing for more Martin art since The Oath.

Oh well, time to look up Martin's credits and find some good past work of his, I guess. That'll suffice. :up:

[Themanofbat]

AAAARGH, I'm gonna have to miss Marcos Martin's art?! This gets worse and worse. :(

Writers you like, artists you like, characters you like... just buy the books... they ARE COMICS!!!

It's not like your decision will be life altering, and if you think it's supporting OMD, that's stupid... the ball's already rolling, and the stories (thus far) have been great. It's not the first time that hard-hitting radical changes came about in comics nor will it be the last.

Punishing yourself over comics seems very silly, but I respect your decisions to decide on what you like to read.... and purchase.

:yay:

[TheCorpulent1]

Writers you like, artists you like, characters you like... just buy the books... they ARE COMICS!!!
Not a character I like particularly much, and not in a context I like to see him. That trumps the others, especially since there's other ways to get my Martin fix.

And I'm not "punishing" myself--it sucks to hear the announcement of another great artist working on Brand Nostalgic Day initially, but I'm pretty much indifferent to the whole thing now. I've made my decision because I know reading the Spider-Man comics in this state would just piss me off, and I'm good with the other stuff that I'm buying for now. Thanks but no thanks. :)

[PhotoJones]

I'm not going to support this kind of storytelling, though. Plus, while the writers might be good, the story isn't. This isn't my Spider-Man anymore. He's a man-child loser. Plus, he's cheating on MJ. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, PJ's bitterness knows no bounds. :D

[PhotoJones]

I know you know what I'm talking about, too. Pete was holding down a teaching job, mentoring kids and still freelancing for the Bugle to make ends meet. Now he's all but given up trying to support himself, is back with May and will never teach again because "it ages him as a character."

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I have my problems with that as well. Those are major contributors to why I'm not reading Spider-Man anymore. JMS laid the groundwork for some really interesting stuff that's now all been abandoned in favor of a return to the same old norms we've seen time and time again for decades. I've just made my peace with it, accepted that this is not the Spider-Man for me, and moved on. I try not to let myself get wound up over it anymore. Hell, DC's got far more interesting "Spider-Men" in the form of Blue Beetle and the Flash at the moment. Those are sating my everyman needs.

[PhotoJones]

Plus there's always this:

http://images.comicbookresources.com/previews/marvelcomics/shipping013008/SMWGP001_int-6.jpg

[Miss Webb]

Peter better be careful giving out genetic material...we've seen that movie in black and white...

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes, I'm anxiously anticipating With Great Power. A story with the old-school status quo that has the good sense to just be set in the old-school status quo. Imagine that. :up:

[PhotoJones]

Yes, this is a Peter who lives with his aunt that I can get behind.

[Miss Webb]

I just want to see that mad, swinging Spider Sex on a stick. Yes, Peter cracking on everything with a pulse. Works for me!

[spideyboy_1111]

*vomits everywhere*

[littleredhat]

I really liked the last issue.:yay:

[Xofenroht]

It's been so long since I've seen a NEW villain. Thanks Slott. You gave me more than Mephisto ever could!

[Arkady Rossovich]

Stellar. :(

I hope it's doing bad.

:hoboj:

[TheCorpulent1]

It's not.

[Darthphere]

If I get an infraction point for calling someone an idiot, I wonder what someone gets for wishing death on someone. Lets report his post and find out!

[Dew k. Mosi]

Why don't we we just discuss comics and not wish death on people, president of the country or EIC of Marvel?

[Kitsune]

Okay, back to Spider-Man, I'm going to give the current Storyline a chance. It's okay, but it really wasn't worth sacrificing Peter's marriage for.

[PhotoJones]

Why don't we we just discuss comics and not wish death on people, president of the country or EIC of Marvel?

Why don't you stop enforcing your rules on some people and start enforcing them with everyone? Or, you could just stop enforcing bull**** rules altogether. :up:

[Themanofbat]

I wrote this today in the Spider-Man forums, but I wanted to share my views at the Marvel one...

I think I said this somewhere, but I'm sure where, and it's Saturday morning and I don't want to search, but the bottom line is that Marvel Comics Inc. wanted to try and come up with a way to make sure that Spider-Man is relatable not just in the next few years, but in the next 25 to 50 years when all of us older farts are long dead and the not-so older farts are being spoon fed in hospital beds... Spider-Man is THE iconic character at Marvel, maybe even moreso than Batman & Superman at DC... and both of the latter characters went through such changes over their 7 decades of existance, the first being in the late 60's and then again in the mid 80's (and lord knows how many times since :whatever: ) While I hate to admit this out loud, but Marvel is in the same position now as DC was in the 70's (old company versus new company) and we might see this type of thing happen to their other characters in a few years (we've already had to go through Heroes Reborn), so I see these changes being made for VERY LONG TERM effects to keep readership far after we're dead and gone.

:csad:

And I just wanted to add that Marvel, unlike DC, has a cornerstone of continuity in its rich history, so unlike DC, they just can't push a reset button like their Distinguished Competitors, and the end result is that in order to get that long term effect for continual Spider-Man readership far after we're all dead and gone, they had to come up with some type of story that worked, and unfortunately, OMD was it...

Could they have pulled off a different reset button story while still keeping Spider-Man's rich history somewhat still intact? Probably. But unfortunately, this is what we, the readers, have been handed... and I'm just moving onward.

If sales plummet enough to warrant a "retcon" in 2 or 3 years, then we will definitely be witnissing the "death of Spider-Man", because Marvel Comics Inc. will feel like they will not be able to continue to attract newer readers after our generation is gone, and in all inevitably, Spider-Man will simply start again from day one (as in a true reboot), and all seven to nine hundred issues of ASM will really be for nothing.

I'm not saying that is what's going to happen, but Mavel Comics Inc. has made this decision for the long term effects of Spider-Man and his supporting cast. And if they feel like they have been backed themselves into a corner with a "retcon", then a "new" start in inevitable, in my opinion.

:csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Meh, doesn't matter to me. Spider-Man went from being my absolute favorite character thanks to my dad when I started reading comics to lower and lower on the totem pole over the years. I tended to just gloss through ASM ever since the whole "Sins Past"/"The Other" period. All the nonsense surrounding OMD/BND, both on the fans' side and the creators' side, was basically just the final nail in the coffin for me. It's made me lose all interest in Spider-Man. Old-school stories like With Great Power tend to be fun reads, but current, in-'continuity' Spider-Man is basically dead to me. I don't care to read his stories anymore if they're gonna be so much of a lightning rod on one hand or a mass of confusion on the other. I'm just worn out on that crap. I'm done with Spider-Man comics for the foreseeable future.

Marvel's got a fantastic stable of other characters, and my current favorite character's comic is kicking all kinds of ass (when it comes out, Coipel :cmad: ), so I'm content without Spidey. It's kind of liberating to not have to give a crap about the huge controversy anymore, to be honest. :up:

[Anubis]

I never really liked Spidey to begin with. Less so now, if you can believe that.

[Darthphere]

I never really liked Spidey to begin with. Less so now, if you can believe that.

:up:

[Upset Spideyfan]

Marvel's got a fantastic stable of other characters, and my current favorite character's comic is kicking all kinds of ass (when it comes out, Coipel :cmad: ), so I'm content without Spidey. It's kind of liberating to not have to give a crap about the huge controversy anymore, to be honest. :up:

Yeah I agree. Disturbing really.

[Blader5489]

For me, it's pretty simple: BND is putting Spider-Man back on track in terms of quality stories. I could ***** and moan about OMD all I want (and I did, when it was finished), but as long as I'm getting good Spider-Man stories out of BND, then that's really all that matters.

[moraldeficiency]

Tell me how that wolverine teamup works out for you.

[TheCorpulent1]

I know you're not knocking a Wolverine team-up. Wolverine makes everything 37% better. It's a proven fact! :cmad:

[Themanofbat]

As cliched a Spider-Man/Wolverine team up may seem at this point in time, I'll reserve judgement until after I've read it.

:yay:

[moraldeficiency]

Well throw in the spidey in a snowstorm angle, which hasn't been used before either, and we're looking at comic gold. Now if only we could throw ninjas into the mix somehow....

[TheCorpulent1]

Wolverine's technically a ninja, isn't he? A ninja in Day-Glo yellow, but a ninja nonetheless.

[moraldeficiency]

If not then maybe they can team up to fight ninjas...

[TheCorpulent1]

Didn't they just do that in New Avengers? Which brings up another point: why just a Spidey/Wolvie team-up if they're already teammates? Instead of the usual team-up hijinks with the two of them going, "What are you doing here?!" shouldn't Peter just stop and wonder, "Hey, where's the rest of the team?"

[moraldeficiency]

You can never get enough spidey/wolverine teamup goodness or ninja fights.

I bet wolverine has no idea who pete is or that he's on the team at all. If not then the explination will be even more horribably labored.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, this is the first post-OMD meeting of Spider-Man with any of his teammates, isn't it? I wonder if it'll make any sense.

[Ion Kenshin]

wouldnt wolvering be able to notice the same scent coming of spider-man and peter parker and put the two together

[TheCorpulent1]

How do we know Wolverine's ever even met Peter Parker in the post-OMD timeline?

[Ion Kenshin]

this is tru i feel like they may cross paths at some point though....and i cant remember but did wolvie know spidey's identity pre-unmasking

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, he knew it a while ago. It was touched on in Secret War, I think. Or Bendis forgot that Wolverine already knew Peter's identity and people complained. One of the two.

[Themanofbat]

Wolverine first figured out who Spider-Man was way back in the 1987 Spider-Man versus Wolverine one shot...

Once Wolverine met Peter Parker and connected the scent, he knew who he was...

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, that. :up:

[Xofenroht]

I think the Peter Parker we're seeing in New Avengers might be a skrull.

[iloveclones]

I think the Peter Parker we're seeing in New Avengers might be a skrull.

I've heard this theory (with Spidey and other characters). The problem is it depends on the the real one not knowing. In other words, if Spidey saw himself on tv with the New Avengers, I think he might try to let them know that it isn't him. Of course, as with all things, Bendis doesn't need to employ the logic that the rest of us do.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, we also have no idea whatsoever at this point where the Avengers comics are on the timeline relative to everything else. I think the NA-Spidey-as-Skrull theory may have legs.

[Ion Kenshin]

Well, we also have no idea whatsoever at this point where the Avengers comics are on the timeline relative to everything else. I think the NA-Spidey-as-Skrull theory may have legs.


LOL I do enjoy a good pun :up:

[iloveclones]

It may even be the case, but I think there would be a lot of 'splainin' to do.

Avengers really is out of synch with everything else. Reading the Symbiote story seems like the most redundant thing ever.

[TheCorpulent1]

On top of that, it just occurred to me that BND is out of synch with everything too.

[iloveclones]

I'm not sure that it is. I just think that Avengers is so out of whack, that it makes it appear so, since he's so enmeshed there.

[Blader5489]

Well, we also have no idea whatsoever at this point where the Avengers comics are on the timeline relative to everything else.

The fact that Spidey is still in his black costume is a pretty big hint.

BND isn't out of synch with anything, it's Bendis' Avengers that are still behind the times.

[TheCorpulent1]

Has post-OMD Spider-Man appeared in anything else? Because if he hasn't, we really don't have any idea whether BND is in synch with anything. You're just assuming it is.

And Spider-Man's being in his black costume doesn't clear anything up for me. He puts his black costume on after May is shot and goes to seek out the Kingpin in his comic, and then he changes back to his red and blues and makes the deal with Mephisto. Where is there time in there for him to have gone off and had a bunch of adventures with the New Avengers, cracking wise and all, while May is dying in a hospital? I mean, yeah, it technically does synch up because we know when he wore the black costume and what happened before and after that, but it doesn't really make sense to me the way it's portrayed.

[Blader5489]

And Spider-Man's being in his black costume doesn't clear anything up for me. He puts his black costume on after May is shot and goes to seek out the Kingpin in his comic, and then he changes back to his red and blues and makes the deal with Mephisto. Where is there time in there for him to have gone off and had a bunch of adventures with the New Avengers, cracking wise and all, while May is dying in a hospital?

And while he's also off doing things in Sensational and FNSM.

You're right in that it doesn't make a lot of sense, but that doesn't mean there's a timeline discrepancy. The only "out of synch" aspect is that New/Mighty Avengers are still behind the times relative to the rest of the MU.

[iloveclones]

Well, if you're going to do that, he also appeared in the other spidey-titles in the black. So I think singling out NA is a little unfair.

And I assume it to be current until someone shows me otherwise. I don't know why I need to do otherwise. They mention the SHRA, so that makes it "current" enough for now. And it's only been one storyline. I think we can wait for at least a little while for spidey to be in mid-swing thinking, "Boy, it's a bummer Cap's dead. Oh, look, there's where the Hulk kept us all captive (when I should have been saving Aunt May.) Wait, saving Aunt May? What am I talking about? I think I need regression therapy."

[TheCorpulent1]

I assume the whole publishing line is taking place pretty much simultaneously too. It's just that now I'm not sure what's taking place when because everything seems all wonky to me with events every five minutes and the OMD reboot and the Avengers titles lagging behind, and Astonishing X-Men lagging behind while its characters appear elsewhere, etc. There are a lot of factors that are throwing me for a loop with the timeline right now, and it doesn't help that those little editor boxes have been banned for years for no bloody reason.

[stillanerd]

Actually, the idea that Spider-Man over in New Avengers is actually a Skrull is an intriguing idea and would be a potentially balsy move on Bendis’ part. For one thing, it offers up a big twist for going into Secret Invasion, in that everyone assumed that Marvel’s flagship character is safe from being a Skrull, especially in light of the controversial Clone Saga from a few years back. Remember the issue in which the New Avengers react to the revelation that Elektra was a Skrull, where Wolverine started pointing out all the possible reasons why any of them could be a Skrull? Well, all the reasons he pointed out for Spider-Man were ones we all saw in Spidey’s own book, and so when Peter insisted he wasn’t a Skrull, we readers agreed with him because he’s the least likely suspect. However, if it turns out he was, then it throws everything up in the air, in that NOBODY is excluded when it comes to being a potential Skrull. Furthermore, it also gives Marvel a possible out with regards to Brand New Day should they decide to take it. After all, if Spidey in New Avengers, and presumably in the 616, was a Skrull, then where is the real Spider-Man? The only logical conclusion to make would be that, he, and probably Mary Jane, would be in a pocket reality a la “Heroes Reborn” created by Mephisto and not even realize it. And it solves the continuity holes and re-writes that One More Day created. Marvel and everyone else insists that, except for some minor tweaking, continuity hasn’t changed despite evidence to the contrary, and if Spidey and MJ are actually in a different reality apart from the rest of the Marvel U, then this is technically true. Depending upon how successful Brand New Day is, Marvel, when they return Spidey and MJ to the Marvel U, can either return them to what the status quo was before, or they could somehow “fold” the Brand New Day world into the Marvel U.

Well, if you're going to do that, he also appeared in the other spidey-titles in the black. So I think singling out NA is a little unfair.

Well, how about this? If the "Spider-Man in New Avengers is really a Skrull" theory pans out, then it could be that every appearance Spider-Man made in the New Avengers comic after Civil War was a skrull, every Spider-Man appearance in a "Back in Black" story that DID NOT feature Mary Jane as part of the plot was also a Skrull, AND Spidey in Avengers: The Initiative #7 was also a Skrull. At least that's how I'd work it in.

[iloveclones]

The main reason I would argue that Spidey is not a skrull, is that I don't think they want to muddy the OMD waters any more than they already are. It's hard to imagine that they would piss off fans this much (and they knew they would going into it) just to play the skrull practical joke. As other people have mentioned, the real joke would be for Aunt May revealed to be a skrull, making their sacrifice worth nothing.

[Docker2.0]

Well he would have to be a skrull to explain those spider guys on the Initiative.

[Xofenroht]

Guhhh, I think a lot of you are missing the main point here. That being that the Spidey we've seen in NA could be the Skrull, while the one we're seeing in ASM could be the real deal.
That would definitely leave Marvel an out for clearing up the confusion surrounding who knows what about Spider-Man's secret identity.
Also, as far as the public-at-large knows, Spider-Man has been missing for the last few months. That's a few months where black costume Spidey could have been doing things with the NA and the real Peter Parker could be hiding out somewhere. I'm not sure if anyone has seen the NA on the news or anything, but I'm pretty sure they try to stay out of the limelight.

[iloveclones]

I think saying that NA haven't been on tv would really be stretching things (although I guess it's possible). At the very least, they were part of the Symbiote thing, which took place in Times Square. I'd imagine that was on tv.

I think some of you want OMD undone so badly, that you'll grasp at anything.

[webhead921]

For me, it's pretty simple: BND is putting Spider-Man back on track in terms of quality stories. I could ***** and moan about OMD all I want (and I did, when it was finished), but as long as I'm getting good Spider-Man stories out of BND, then that's really all that matters.

Amen. I love BND so far. I'm not going to worry about the problems with continuity. It sucks that OMD happened, but lets move on. Let's see what the new writers do with that they are given.

[spideyboy_1111]

BND doesn't really fit in anywhere.... unless its so far in the future already.. but honestly nothing makes sense...

A) in New avengers spidey is still in his black costume
B) Dr. Strange still has the demonic powers from WWH
C) mighty Avengers just kinda caught up a bit soo those 2 are almost in sync...
D) the problem is spidey's comics, with aunt may being shot, they went very fast pace and he'd have to be fast due to the fact shes dying, and knowing peter thats what he concentrates on most. he also got out of his black costume quickly... sooo in order to make spidey fit.. all of mighty avengers, present NA, and WWH happened while he was still in his black costume and aunt may STILL in the hospital... -_- please...... like may woulda even survived the evacuation of new york

[Blader5489]

BND doesn't really fit in anywhere.... unless its so far in the future already.. but honestly nothing makes sense...

A) in New avengers spidey is still in his black costume
B) Dr. Strange still has the demonic powers from WWH
C) mighty Avengers just kinda caught up a bit soo those 2 are almost in sync...
D) the problem is spidey's comics, with aunt may being shot, they went very fast pace and he'd have to be fast due to the fact shes dying, and knowing peter thats what he concentrates on most. he also got out of his black costume quickly... sooo in order to make spidey fit.. all of mighty avengers, present NA, and WWH happened while he was still in his black costume and aunt may STILL in the hospital... -_- please...... like may woulda even survived the evacuation of new york

And all of that is pre-OMD, so how the hell does that mean "BND doesn't really fit in anywhere"?

[spideyboy_1111]

And all of that is pre-OMD, so how the hell does that mean "BND doesn't really fit in anywhere"?

pretty much means everything but BND is pre OMD.. :o... only thing that could possibly be at the same time was X-men MC...

but everything else, New Avengers, Thor, Avengers: Initiative, Runaways, Mighty Avengers, Hulk, Incredible herc, Fantastic four, etc... are all pre omd... its just a big tangle and nothin seems to catch up

[Ahura Mazda]

One thing I don't quite get is how does what Mephisto did take away what happenned in the Other given he now has his webshooters again?

Mary Jane did not affect the physical evolution of his spiderman powers....

[spideyboy_1111]

One thing I don't quite get is how does what Mephisto did take away what happenned in the Other given he now has his webshooters again?

Mary Jane did not affect the physical evolution of his spiderman powers....

i really dont know either... nothing really about OMD/BND makes sense... its almost as if they went back in time... and all events have been erased

[Blader5489]

pretty much means everything but BND is pre OMD.. :o... only thing that could possibly be at the same time was X-men MC...

but everything else, New Avengers, Thor, Avengers: Initiative, Runaways, Mighty Avengers, Hulk, Incredible herc, Fantastic four, etc... are all pre omd... its just a big tangle and nothin seems to catch up

Only MA and NA are still pre-OMD. Everything else--including BND--is up to the "present day" phase of the Marvel timeline.

[iloveclones]

And AXM. Who knows where that one lands. Pre-everything. But Spidey's not in there, so who cares?

[Xofenroht]

I'm just saying, it wouldn't be hard to suggest that the Spidey we've been seeing in other titles post-unmasking is a skrull. Whatever he does in his own title is definitely him, but all of these other ones? Hell no. Spider-Man's story has no room for it all.
It only makes sense for him to be a Skrull, in all current titles excluding ASM.

[Xofenroht]

And Marvel has done a great job at getting us as Skrull-Crazy as our favorite heroes.

[iloveclones]

By that logic, it would be more sensible to pull this trick for Wolvie.

[Xofenroht]

No, that wouldn't be sensible at all. They already did that with Wolvie (sort of) when he became a horseman of Apocalypse.
Spidey, on the other hand, has a clear opening where that logic fits and an event that makes all of this possible (that could tie it all together in a nice little knot).

[Blader5489]

And AXM. Who knows where that one lands. Pre-everything. But Spidey's not in there, so who cares?

Now that I think about it, there are probably more than a couple books that could be considered "pre-OMD." I'm just saying that BND isn't in the far off future or something, it's still in the same continuity as most other books.

I mean, Captain America and Iron Man don't actively make references to where they may fall in the MU timeline, but no one is suggesting that they occur in their own pocket of time.

[TheCorpulent1]

The switch from Bucky as Bucky to Bucky as New Cap is going to be a point of temporal reference for the whole Marvel universe from now on, though. We'll have a better idea of where other things are by whether Bucky appears in them as Cap or as Bucky, just as we could with Spidey in his Iron Spidey, black, or red and blue costumes.

[spideyboy_1111]

Only MA and NA are still pre-OMD. Everything else--including BND--is up to the "present day" phase of the Marvel timeline.

theres a few events that counter act that a little bit... but its close enough

[TheCorpulent1]

Like what?

[Blader5489]

Holy crap, Barry Kitson is going to draw an arc on Amazing Spider-Man! :wow:

http://images.comicbookresources.com/news/kitson_spider-man.jpg

[Themanofbat]

Where did you hear this from?

Link please...

:yay:

[Darthphere]

Go to Newsarama or CBR lazy ass.

[TheCorpulent1]

Nice. His Peter looks kind of Asian to me for some reason...

[THE MR. TERRIFIC]

I just can't grasp giving up his whole life for aunt may. I hate to sound cruel but I understand he said he could handle it if it was a heart attack or something but they were aiming for him yada,yada, yada. Even so I would reason even if you do it Mephisto would still have her die of a heart attack or something anyway. I mean you still have the love of your life to comfort you and like MJ said she's lead a full life.

[storyteller]

It could be a heroes reborn situation with a little bit of house of M. Spiderman is in a pocket universe and....................oh forget it. All i know is at least bnd has some good writing and i would rather have this then endless issues of

"its my fault that shes gonna die and i cant deal with that"

[The_Question]

May is Peters Aunt my marriage...So unless Marvel are gonna make out MJ did have/is* having a kid by Peter he has no living blood relatives.

Didn't Peter give May a blood transfusion or something awhile back? Would that make her vulnerable to Mr. Negative's poison? Unless the Mephisto magic undid that as well of course.

[BrianWilly]

Wouldn't her own blood have replaced it by now? I'm not sure how blood is supposed to work.

[ATMA Weapon]

Red blood cells live less then half a year. So Peter's should be gone?

[stillanerd]

Wouldn't her own blood have replaced it by now? I'm not sure how blood is supposed to work.

I wondered about how long it takes for donated blood to be absorbed by the recipient as well, since if the Spider-Man writers are going try to use Peter's donated blood to Aunt May (from as far back as ASM #10) to make her be affected by Mr. Negative's gas later on, then there should be some information on this to make it plausible...for a comic book anyway. After all, it was donated blood from Bruce Banner that transformed Jennifer Walters into She-Hulk.

Red blood cells live less then half a year. So Peter's should be gone?

Thanks.