The Amazing Spider-Man

[TheCorpulent1]

Let me answer that with DD and you can apply it to Wolvie. Let's assume that Pete and DD/Matt have met (no reason not to, since all the old stories are supposed to apply.) DD id'd him originally based on his heartbeat. How many people does DD/Matt meet on an average day, week, year? I'm sure he knows the heartbeats of Foggy, Ben Urich, Melvin Potter, Elektra, etc, like the back of his hand, and could hear and id them easily. But I doubt he keeps a mental filing cabinet of every hot-dog vendor and schmoe he's ever met. Like Pete. Now, he might remember that for someone like Spider-Man, but until he meets Pete (post-BND), his secret is still safe.
But don't all of his previous meetings with Spider-Man still count, too? And Wolverine's already met Peter again post-BND, right? They're on the New Avengers together and Wolverine just guest-starred in ASM.

[spideyboy_1111]

But don't all of his previous meetings with Spider-Man still count, too? And Wolverine's already met Peter again post-BND, right? They're on the New Avengers together and Wolverine just guest-starred in ASM.

i dont think we know exactly to me it's still very hazy... MJ doesn't know peter is spidey right? if so then alot of Civil war stuff didn't happen either

[Anubis]

I just realized something.....If Jarvis is a Skrull, then that means Aunt may has now had freaky old person sex with Doc Ock and a Skrull! :eek:

[Xofenroht]

I thought MJ knew that Pete was Spider-Man? She found out his secret id before the marriage.

And again, skrulls and/or magick is involved, so nothing is really what it seems. From what I've read from NEWS REPORTS, a lot of this will be covered in upcoming issues of ASM.

[iloveclones]

But don't all of his previous meetings with Spider-Man still count, too? And Wolverine's already met Peter again post-BND, right? They're on the New Avengers together and Wolverine just guest-starred in ASM.


Well, normally I wouldn't make the distinction, but he's met Spidey post-BND, not Pete. If for some reason, he met Pete, THAN he could make the connection that he smells ( ewwww) a lot like Spidey. But he's not going to smell (again, ewwww) Spidey and say, "Hey, this guy smells a lot like some random guy I met in passing once." Of course, none of this explains things like the Spidey-Wovie MK mini. Just one more thing wiped from Wolvie's head.

If they reveal that MJ doesn't know he's Spidey, that creates a whole can of worms that shouldn't be opened. If that's the case, well, good luck Marvel.

[Xofenroht]

They won't reveal that, because it's simply not true. She DOES know and that's not in the retcon. Nothing was really retconned any way. It all still happened.

[Eros]

They won't reveal that, because it's simply not true. She DOES know and that's not in the retcon. Nothing was really retconned any way. It all still happened.

:o Are you aware Harry is alive.

[moraldeficiency]

Sorry...I've been having a bad day... a death in the family... my wife's little cousin... 8 years old girl, died of cancer... my apologies for the rant. :csad:


I'm really sorry to hear that MOB. My apologies.

[BlackLantern]

I wish they did a little more with the relationship between Ton Stark and Pete, but Civil War and everything got in the way of all that.....well at least we'll be seeing the Iron Spider armor again, just not on Peter

[Xofenroht]

:o Are you aware Harry is alive.

No, because he's not. It's a skrull.

[BlackLantern]

No, because he's not. It's a skrull.

You're a skrull:oldrazz:

[Xofenroht]

He loves you.

[BlackLantern]

Never liked the Skrulls, they look like angry vulcans.....and I hate star trek

[Xofenroht]

So you should avoid Secret Invasion, unless you want a reason to start thinking the Skrulls are bad ass.

[moraldeficiency]

Never liked the Skrulls, they look like angry vulcans.....and I hate star trek

Wait you don't like Teddy or Kl'rt? I can understand hating Xavin (he's clearly a douche).

[TheCorpulent1]

Hating Kl'rt should be a crime.

[kguillou]

This whole secret i.d. explanation is gonna be interesting to see, what's even more interesting is that Slott still insists that the story in Initiative #7 still applies and is still very important. Hmmm.... so maybe Mephisto didn't really wipe everybody's memory of Spidey's i.d....

[Docker2.0]

I really don't think he can. Joey Q f-ed up with this story and should just admit it.

[BlackLantern]

It doesn't look well for the stock prices if the Editor In Chief of Marvel Comics openly admits to screwing up....hell CEO's that got busted for assorted crimes still never admitted they did anything wrong

[TheCorpulent1]

He won't. Can't really blame him. They may undo what OMD did if sales drop low enough, but Joe Q's the voice of authority at Marvel. He can't apologize for everything that fails. He tried something and, if it works, he gets credit, but if not, he just tries something else.

[CorpusBlack]

Joe Q thinks the state of Spidey is great, just ask him.

[BlackLantern]

ASM is still one of Marvels best sellers....its still selling like it did during JMS' run....people still seem to be buying it....its actually selling better than when Spidey had 3 monthly titles

[TheCorpulent1]

Joe Q thinks the state of Spidey is great, just ask him.
Well, yeah, he basically engineered it. But the sales are still fluctuating a lot, so it's not a grand slam. Still, I doubt the sales will ever fall to the point where they're like, "You know what? This isn't working."

[CorpusBlack]

ASM is still one of Marvels best sellers....its still selling like it did during JMS' run....people still seem to be buying it....

I think a lot of people don't understand what's going on or they are just seeing where it goes. If it continues down this path the readers will probably drop. Well.. at least I hope they drop so Marvel gets the hint.

[Docker2.0]

Yep CB! that's exactly what happened! I wasone of those guys. I was buying it just to see where it would go but these stories have been horrible. If the next issue sux, then I'm dropping it. I gave it a chance but these stories sux big time!

[CorpusBlack]

Yep CB! that's exactly what happened! I wasone of those guys. I was buying it just to see where it would go but these stories have been horrible. If the next issue sux, then I'm dropping it. I gave it a chance but these stories sux big time!

This upcoming month is my last. I don't think it'll win me over.

[BlackLantern]

I think a lot of people don't understand what's going on or they are just seeing where it goes. If it continues down this path the readers will probably drop. Well.. at least I hope they drop so Marvel gets the hint.

I don't see that happening....Spider-Man has a wide appeal, lots of kids are buying it or spending their parents money on it simply because its Spider-Man....a guy a work with has a 9 year old who knows that AMS comes out every month, since I'm a comic fan, the guy has me buy ASM for him each month so he can bring it home to his son...he pays me for it of course...but I hope the point gets across, people love Spider-Man, regardless of what he's doing. One of my favorite moments, prior to BND, was when Peter Parker pimp smacked The Kingpin around Rikers in front of the GP which was an issue of Spectacular Spider-Man...still loved it tho

[CorpusBlack]

The Back In Black arc was great IMO. Kingpin getting punked was awesome. That was the last time I truly enjoyed Spidey.

[Blader5489]

The Back In Black arc was great IMO. Kingpin getting punked was awesome. That was the last time I truly enjoyed Spidey.

You're going to call Brand New Day horrible, but then praise Back in Black? Wtf?

[BlackLantern]

I liked it as well....to see Peter pushed that far....to see the lengths one would go to for a cause....

[Docker2.0]

Back in Black was good. I liked it to. BND is horrible. I got your back Black. :o

[CorpusBlack]

I liked it as well....to see Peter pushed that far....to see the lengths one would go to for a cause....

Back in Black was good. I liked it to. BND is horrible. I got your back Black. :o

It was a good arc and the end of Spidey as I care to know it.

[fifthfiend]

It doesn't look well for the stock prices if the Editor In Chief of Marvel Comics openly admits to screwing up....hell CEO's that got busted for assorted crimes still never admitted they did anything wrong

The market doesn't give a ****, it's just good old-fashioned ego.

[BlackLantern]

The market doesn't give a ****, it's just good old-fashioned ego.

well Marvel is a publicly traded company...something that seems that trivial WILL affect stock prices...it was like with the IPhone announcement, the stock went up 3 dollars when he finally made the announcement that there would be an IPhone....

[Blader5489]

It was a good arc and the end of Spidey as I care to know it.

Five issues of Peter moping around and acting wildly out of character is your definition of a "good arc"?

[BlackLantern]

I don't think stealing ambulances, medical equipement, and smacking Kingpin around like a little girl is 'moping around'

[CorpusBlack]

Five issues of Peter moping around and acting wildly out of character is your definition of a "good arc"?

Yes, all he did was mope. :whatever:

I don't think stealing ambulances, medical equipement, and smacking Kingpin around like a little girl is 'moping around'

:up:

[Docker2.0]

Plus he was PUSHED to do that, like he was never pushed before.

[BlackLantern]

Plus he was PUSHED to do that, like he was never pushed before.

and thats what made it good.....Spidey showed some testicular fortitude and I loved it....thats why he wore the black, to hide the enormous coinpurse he was sporting

[CorpusBlack]

and thats what made it good.....Spidey showed some testicular fortitude and I loved it....thats why he wore the black, to hide the enormous coinpurse he was sporting

And thru it all, I really wanted him to tap into his darkside. Not that I want him to become evil, but I wanted to see what Parker did when pushed so hard. In the end, he walked the line and still did the right thing IMO. It was one of the most emotionally invested arcs I've read in a Spidey book in a long time.

[Blader5489]

J.M. DeMatteis did a much better version of Back in Black in ASM #389. Now that was a good story that had Peter pushed to the brink. BiB was just a pointless marketing tie-in that ran too long.

[Anubis]

So we're all in agreement it was good right?

[TheCorpulent1]

I liked Back in Black overall, but the Kingpin scene was ridiculous. I hated seeing Peter pontificate and throw around absurd threats he'd never go through with. He was downright unlikeable at that point, which, if I understand the everyman appeal right, is the kiss of death for the character.

[Docker2.0]

That's another reason why I think OMD had to happen. If Aunt May died, WOULD Peter actually kill Kingpin? Plus Peter was actually breaking laws and people knew who he was. It wouldve been interesting to see where the plot was going. I think they couldve had some very interesting stories had they gave it more time.

[spideyboy_1111]

I liked Back in Black overall, but the Kingpin scene was ridiculous. I hated seeing Peter pontificate and throw around absurd threats he'd never go through with. He was downright unlikeable at that point, which, if I understand the everyman appeal right, is the kiss of death for the character.

actually i found his fight with kingpin to be the most badass in a long while:o

[TheCorpulent1]

Good for you. I thought it was stupid.

[fifthfiend]

well Marvel is a publicly traded company...something that seems that trivial WILL affect stock prices...it was like with the IPhone announcement, the stock went up 3 dollars when he finally made the announcement that there would be an IPhone....

The iPhone was a hotly anticipated high-end consumer product which went on to sell units in the millions. That's the total opposite of trivial. Joe Quesada expressing mild recalcitrance over an already-printed story resulting in essentially zero impact on Marvel's comic-book sales which themselves have only marginal impact on the company's value as compared with the success of its movie franchises and merchandising, now that would be pretty trivial.

...I mean I'm not saying he necessarily must believe he's wrong, just that if he were to think so and wasn't admitting it, it would pretty much have nothing to do with any reasonable calculation of corporate well-being and everything to do with that people just really don't like admitting when they're wrong.

[fifthfiend]

Good for you. I thought it was stupid.

I think your face is stupid.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it probably is.

But still not as stupid as that Spider-Douche/Kingpin fight. :o

[fifthfiend]

It's okay Corp, I know it's just your ego that prevents you from admitting you're wrong.

[Docker2.0]

How's he wrong? The guy is entitled to his opinion. :huh: I loved the fight actually but Corp doesn't, it's his right.

[TheCorpulent1]

Fifthfiend's just being a douche for the lulz.

[BlackLantern]

I enjoyed the fight and I'd like to think that if Aunt May did die, maybe he would have followed through......Imagine if the person you cared about was on the verge of death, and you knew you could do something, anything to help....wouldn't you do anything you could....I know I would

[DoomJester]

I guess my problem with Back in Black was that the rumors of the OMD ret-con were circulating so hard-core, you knew everything was going to change, you didn't know with certainty about BND but the rumors were so strong, it kinda ruined my reading of it, since I knew we were headed for a massive re-boot.

The Spidey-Kingpin fight was okay, I didn't buy the whole Spidey is pushed to the limit. I wanted to, something about it didn't get me. And I do remember that one terrible issue where Spider-man lists all these crimes he's done moving Aunt May around, and I'm thinking, you were always committing crimes... get over it. That issue didn't ring true for me either. I liked the Civil War Spidey though.

[BlackLantern]

I guess my problem with Back in Black was that the rumors of the OMD ret-con were circulating so hard-core, you knew everything was going to change, you didn't know with certainty about BND but the rumors were so strong, it kinda ruined my reading of it, since I knew we were headed for a massive re-boot.

The Spidey-Kingpin fight was okay, I didn't buy the whole Spidey is pushed to the limit. I wanted to, something about it didn't get me. And I do remember that one terrible issue where Spider-man lists all these crimes he's done moving Aunt May around, and I'm thinking, you were always committing crimes... get over it. That issue didn't ring true for me either. I liked the Civil War Spidey though.

I think the whole point of that was that it was Peter Parker doing those things, not Spider-Man....

[J. J. Jameson]

Back in Black was 1000x better than the first three months of BND. (Wells' story this month was good, better than Back in Black). I thought Peter behaved like any man would behave if a) he was wanted for just doing the right thing, b) his mother-like aunt was dying because of his actions, and c) his life was going to shambles before his eyes. You tell me that if you'd have been screwed over the amount of times Peter was during Civil War that you wouldn't be at your wits end.

That was a good story, yeah...

[SouLeSS]

Back in Black was 1000x better than the first three months of BND. (Wells' story this month was good, better than Back in Black). I thought Peter behaved like any man would behave if a) he was wanted for just doing the right thing, b) his mother-like aunt was dying because of his actions, and c) his life was going to shambles before his eyes. You tell me that if you'd have been screwed over the amount of times Peter was during Civil War that you wouldn't be at your wits end.

That was a good story, yeah...

Yeah, which makes what he did in OMD 'acceptable' in my book. I still dropped it and I'm not reading spiderman boioks till it's changed, but I can see where he's comming from, most people on this board can't. They just go "LOL HE MADE A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL HES EVIL!" without looking at all the underlying factors. Like how much of a **** hole his life really had become in the past month or two

[Xofenroht]

I would have loved to see these new rogues in BND pop up without the whole Mephisto debacle. Oh well.

[BlackLantern]

I have a feeling that this 'Jackpot' character is going to end badly....I don't like her...at all

[Themanofbat]

Yeah, which makes what he did in OMD 'acceptable' in my book. I still dropped it and I'm not reading spiderman boioks till it's changed, but I can see where he's comming from, most people on this board can't. They just go "LOL HE MADE A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL HES EVIL!" without looking at all the underlying factors. Like how much of a **** hole his life really had become in the past month or two

Just goes to show you what the average IQ of most people on this board is...

:yay:
















:csad:

[Docker2.0]

Not everyone! It's the freakin devil! If he gave you ice cream, its probably made with acid. You never make a deal with him cuase it's always worse. And for Mephisto to keep his word and do what he said is definetly characters out of writing.

[BlackLantern]

Not everyone! It's the freakin devil! If he gave you ice cream, its probably made with acid. You never make a deal with him cuase it's always worse. And for Mephisto to keep his word and do what he said is definetly characters out of writing.

Mephistos' reason for the deal is in character though....that Pete and MJ's love was so pure that to deny its existence, to take that from God, was a victory for him.....

[kguillou]

I still feel like Peter could've looked harder and found SOMEONE who could help heal aunt may. I mean, come on, didnt Sentry just ressurect his dead wife? Didnt the Acolytes just remove a bullet from Xavier's brain???? I would rather Spidey made a deal with the Acolytes than Mephisto wouldn't you guys??

[BlackLantern]

I still feel like Peter could've looked harder and found SOMEONE who could help heal aunt may. I mean, come on, didnt Sentry just ressurect his dead wife? Didnt the Acolytes just remove a bullet from Xavier's brain???? I would rather Spidey made a deal with the Acolytes than Mephisto wouldn't you guys??

Remember it was MJ who first agreed to the deal....

[DoomJester]

I think someone critiqued Mephisto's part in OMD very well they said something like this (and this isn't me being original, this is someone else, I wish it were me though):

All the villains are sitting around talking, What did you do Doom, "I turned New York's populace into symbiotes" What about you Hood? "Beat up Tigra, attacked the New Avengers at their home" What about you fem-Ultron "I was a few minutes away from launching nukes at the US and I killed Sentry's wife, or at least I thought I did" What about you Mephisto? "Oh, I made saved Aunt May's life in return for making it so that Peter and MJ were never married, but get this guys, they didn't even have to get a divorce!"

And when I read it like that, I was just thought, "oh no..." And I read about Mephisto, he's an evil dude, he's a serious power. Him taking interest in Spidey and MJs marriage was just kinda funny to me now. But you know what, I really enjoy BND, and I love reading a book 3 times a month.

[BlackLantern]

I hate to repeat myself but

Mephistos' reason for the deal....that Pete and MJ's love was so pure that to deny its existence, to take that from God, was a victory for him.....

I get that .....

[DoomJester]

I agree with you. It was his reason, but do you really feel like that is a good enough reason? Also, he made it so that deep down inside MJ and Peter would always suffer because they know, deep down inside they love each other... but was that really that great a reason? I guess, it doesn't cost Mephisto much, it is probably really easy for him to do it, but still...

[BlackLantern]

I agree with you. It was his reason, but do you really feel like that is a good enough reason? Also, he made it so that deep down inside MJ and Peter would always suffer because they know, deep down inside they love each other... but was that really that great a reason? I guess, it doesn't cost Mephisto much, it is probably really easy for him to do it, but still...

To a demon that feeds off of peoples sorrow and misery, yes it is good enough....he even told them that their love was a singular, one in a gazillion type of thing....and to take that away is fantastic for him

[iloveclones]

I still feel like Peter could've looked harder and found SOMEONE who could help heal aunt may. I mean, come on, didnt Sentry just ressurect his dead wife? Didnt the Acolytes just remove a bullet from Xavier's brain???? I would rather Spidey made a deal with the Acolytes than Mephisto wouldn't you guys??

Yeah, I can see how having Doc Strange send you through a gazillion realities looking for a cure can be seen as slacking off.

[kguillou]

But where's the joy in that if neither peter nor mj remembers any of it? If Peter was constantly in a state of depression about his marriage then yea, I see where Mephisto would derive pleasure from that. But remembers nothing, and he's as happy go lucky as he was back in the 70's, wouldn't Mephisto want Peter to suffer?

[BlackLantern]

Mephisto has it set so they would both know that they lost something, it would be an ever present thought to either of them....

[SpideyInATree]

I was really REALLY behind on all my Spider-Man reading the past few months and since ASM is weekly I had a ton of comics to read.

Even with the rotating creative teams there is a really nice flow to everything and I've enjoyed this change. At first it felt dirty and wrong because of the debacle that started it all, but in the end I feel it was for a good cause. The new villains and the new supporting cast is really awesome.

This book has everything that a Spider-Man fan can want and then some. The writing is spot on whether it's Slott, Guggenheim, Gale, or Wells. And the artwork for each month is always top notch. I have to say that McNiven and Larroca were my two favorites so far.

There were a few flubs with the New Avengers stuff and the constant comments from Quesada could go but this is basically the Spider-Man book I've been wanting and waiting for. Hopefully this keeps up and lets hope that Jackpot isn't Mary Jane because that would be freakin' gay. But it probably is, haha.

[Xofenroht]

MJ still remembers guys.

[J. J. Jameson]

I felt all sad inside today watching "The Spectacular Spider-Man" and seeing Peter and MJ dancing at the spring formal at Midtown...Brought back good memories. :csad:

I'm still very conflicted over this whole new direction. Sometimes I'll be feeling it, and then the next I'll see some sort of great Pete/MJ moment and be missing the good ol' days.

[Xofenroht]

I'm surprised that Gwen is in "The Spectacular Spider-Man"

[TheCorpulent1]

How come? It's starting off while Peter's still in high school, and Gwen was definitely a huge part of his high school experience. I'm glad they're being more true to the comics with Gwen than they were in the movies. :up:

[Blader5489]

How come? It's starting off while Peter's still in high school, and Gwen was definitely a huge part of his high school experience. I'm glad they're being more true to the comics with Gwen than they were in the movies. :up:

Didn't Peter meet Gwen in college though? Just like the movies...:cwink:

[kguillou]

Do you guys think they're gona kill off gwen in the show? I hope the writers choose to be creative with the stories and keep her in the show.

[BlackLantern]

I believe Pete met Gwen when he was a freshmen in college...could be wrong though...in any case, she was the first girl pete got serious with before MJ....

[Themanofbat]

Peter first met Gwen in her first appearance in ASM #31... which was the first day they all went to University...

Peter graduated from High School in ASM #28.

:yay:

[BlackLantern]

Thank you Bat....

[TheCorpulent1]

Do you guys think they're gona kill off gwen in the show? I hope the writers choose to be creative with the stories and keep her in the show.
Her death is kind of a seminal moment in Peter's life, though. I imagine they'd want to re-enact it on the cartoon.

[BlackLantern]

Her death is kind of a seminal moment in Peter's life, though. I imagine they'd want to re-enact it on the cartoon.

The show is aimed at a fairly young demographic and has a light tone...I don't see it happening

[spideyboy_1111]

Her death is kind of a seminal moment in Peter's life, though. I imagine they'd want to re-enact it on the cartoon.

aparently the show will be getting some D2DVD's... where some suspect they may do gwens death

[BlackLantern]

and in order to do so they would have to introduce the Goblin....I'm already ticked about him and Eddie Brock being 'buddies'

[TheCorpulent1]

The show is aimed at a fairly young demographic and has a light tone...I don't see it happening
TMNT was ostensibly aimed at a young demographic, but it still got darker as time went on. They had a character who lost his body piece by piece due to the Shredder's torture on there.

[spideyboy_1111]

and in order to do so they would have to introduce the Goblin....I'm already ticked about him and Eddie Brock being 'buddies'
green goblin was just introduced... :o

[BlackLantern]

Ya...Baxter got a rough deal there but thats a bit different than tossing a pretty blond teenager off a bridge and snapping her neck....I swear to god if I hear Peter call Eddie 'bro' one more time I'll kick in my TV...

[TheCorpulent1]

Ya...Baxter got a rough deal there but thats a bit different than tossing a pretty blond teenager off a bridge and snapping her neck....I swear to god if I hear Peter call Eddie 'bro' one more time I'll kick in my TV...
They wouldn't necessarily have to show Gwen dying or anything. They might have her hanging precariously from the bridge with the Goblin standing near her, then they cut to a shot of Spider-Man going "noooo!" and then they cut back and the Goblin's alone. It's not like death is unprecedented in cartoons. People died in several of DC's cartoons.

[BlackLantern]

you just want that little blonde tart dead...don't you? yea...Dan Turpin did get atomized by Darkseid, so I kinda see your point

[TheCorpulent1]

I actually like the cartoon Gwen a lot. I'd totally date her over MJ.

But her death is a big moment in Peter's life, probably second only to Uncle Ben's death. I wouldn't want her to die for a season or two, but at some point, she's gotta go. :oldrazz:

[fifthfiend]

I kind of wish I had like a 12-year-old cousin or something who was into that show so I could go up to him and be like "So, you know what happens to Gwen a year from now, right?"

[BlackLantern]

I kind of wish I had like a 12-year-old cousin or something who was into that show so I could go up to him and be like "So, you know what happens to Gwen a year from now, right?"

That's awful....and funny all at the same time....I have a 15 yr old cousin who is into it, but he is aware of Gwens fate in the comics

[TheCorpulent1]

Aw, at 15 he probably doesn't care anyway. I was thoroughly desensitized to death by 15.

[BlackLantern]

Aw, at 15 he probably doesn't care anyway. I was thoroughly desensitized to death by 15.

Is that really a positive??

[TheCorpulent1]

No, but it happens to a lot of kids today. Kids learn about stuff a lot earlier because they can get access to just about anything via the internet and TV and friends who use the internet and watch TV.

[BlackLantern]

sadly yes....I was talking with my 17 yo sister the other day and jokingly, she asked me if I had ever given a girl a 'donkey punch'

[TheCorpulent1]

Hahahahahahahahaha! Sorry, that's kind of sad but really, really funny.

[BlackLantern]

Hahahahahahahahaha! Sorry, that's kind of sad but really, really funny.

same here when I realized she was joking I fell over laughing

[Anubis]

Well......have you?

[TheCorpulent1]

Mother****er, don't you ever sleep? :huh:

And before you ask, I'm at work. What's your excuse? :o

[BlackLantern]

Well......have you?

No I haven't....

[Themanofbat]

What's a donkey punch?

:csad:

[Kitsune]

What's a donkey punch?

:csad:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donkey_punch

[CorpusBlack]

What's a donkey punch?

:csad:

:lmao:

[Themanofbat]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donkey_punch

Thanks... :yay:

:lmao:

I'm 40 frickin' years old... how the heck am I supposed to know what that is???

:huh: :huh: :huh:

:csad:

[Xofenroht]

Thanks... :yay:



I'm 40 frickin' years old... how the heck am I supposed to know what that is???

:huh: :huh: :huh:

:csad:

40? Did cars even exist when you were 20? :whatever: j/k man.

[Themanofbat]

40? Did cars even exist when you were 20? :whatever: j/k man.

That's ok... I also just found out about a month ago what ATM meant...

:csad:

[Kitsune]

Thanks... :yay:



I'm 40 frickin' years old... how the heck am I supposed to know what that is???

:huh: :huh: :huh:

:csad:

OH and FYI... Donkey Kick is an energy drink:

http://rallybeater.com/energy/images/DSC00115.JPG

[Captain Useless]

OH and FYI... Donkey Kick is an energy drink:

http://rallybeater.com/energy/images/DSC00115.JPG

I'd drink that.

[TheCorpulent1]

It'd be a really awkward maneuver if it had a similar meaning to donkey punch...

[Norman Osborn]

Thanks... :yay:



I'm 40 frickin' years old... how the heck am I supposed to know what that is???

:huh: :huh: :huh:

:csad:

I'm glad you asked :huh:

[Doc Destruction]

Come now, I'm 40 and I knew what it meant!

[Themanofbat]

Come now, I'm 40 and I knew what it meant!

I suppose when you're on the receiving end of one so often as you are, you're bound to know such things...

:woot: :woot: :woot:

:cwink:

[Doc Destruction]

Oi!

Good comeback though :p

[iloveclones]

I am so glad I made it to 40 without ever hearing that. My only regret is that I didn't make it to 50....

[Vanguard07]

It'd be a really awkward maneuver if it had a similar meaning to donkey punch...

I imagine you'd have to be upside down.

[Donald Thomas]

Ya...Baxter got a rough deal there but thats a bit different than tossing a pretty blond teenager off a bridge and snapping her neck....I swear to god if I hear Peter call Eddie 'bro' one more time I'll kick in my TV...

Aloha,
I know what you mean. Peter in HS was NEVER that hip. He became a hipster starting with Romita (motor cycle,clothing change).I'm enjoying the cartoons as sort of a mixture of Amazing & Ultimate. Maybe in the final season, but I don't see them killing off Gwen anytime soon.I also don't think that BND and The Spectacular Spider-Man cartoons coming out around the same time was an accident.The movies made Harry Osborn an important part of Spider-Man, he had to reappear.But I still think that the Harry in BND is a demon or agent of Mephisto.
Spidey rules

[Xofenroht]

BND better pick up the pace soon. Otherwise I might convert to the side of the nay-sayers.

[dolcry]

I've been reading Spider-Man for the last 20 years. I tried to get into what they've done over the last few months, but it's been terrible.

There is nothing good about the new direction of Spider-Man. Why? Because the writers and Marvel are too scared to try something different? All they do is give us the same stupid stories over and over again. Spidey is revamped every few years, and it always bombs. The villains are returned again and again, and they continue to suck. When will someone try something brand new? Take Spidey completely out of his element, and away from everyone he knows for a while. Take a real risk, not a stupid kill the marriage kind of a risk.

Just venting, more out of disappointment than anything else. I'm upset because I really do want to like the Spidey comics.

[Xofenroht]

Don't worry, they'll be back. The current creative minds at Marvel just need to think up their own formula rather than imitating those of the forerunners. They need a STABLE formula, one that will distinguish them from the previous.

[TheCorpulent1]

Like the one JMS started building at the beginning of his run before abandoning it for no reason.

[CorpusBlack]

I've been reading Spider-Man for the last 20 years. I tried to get into what they've done over the last few months, but it's been terrible.

There is nothing good about the new direction of Spider-Man. Why? Because the writers and Marvel are too scared to try something different? All they do is give us the same stupid stories over and over again. Spidey is revamped every few years, and it always bombs. The villains are returned again and again, and they continue to suck. When will someone try something brand new? Take Spidey completely out of his element, and away from everyone he knows for a while. Take a real risk, not a stupid kill the marriage kind of a risk.

Just venting, more out of disappointment than anything else. I'm upset because I really do want to like the Spidey comics.

You're not alone. That's pretty much the consensus from everyone at the moment.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, not everyone, given ASM's continued strong sales, which are still an improvement over the sum of the sales of pre-OMD ASM, SSM, and FNSM.

[Kitsune]

Well, not everyone, given ASM's continued strong sales, which are still an improvement over the sum of the sales of pre-OMD ASM, SSM, and FNSM.

<sigh>

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm as dismayed as you are, but it is selling well.

[CorpusBlack]

Unfortunately.

[moraldeficiency]

I'm as dismayed as you are, but it is selling well.

Well it's just off a major "event" marvel went to a new system with some great writers and artists and with the 3x a month thing to keep the momentum at a max over the last few months so that should be expected. The numbers have been consistantly dropping though and apparently you can just feel the hate on the letters page. I go to Tate's (one of the bigger stores in south florida) and all BND issues are still there in massive quantities where amazing used to sell out religiously so I think when the LCS finally begin to proportion their buys based on what they're selling you'll keep seeing these numbers drop. All in all, nothing unexpected has happened here, the restructuring got a lot of press and that generated the fair weather fans that come with trends, but it's ebbing out and what they're left with will be the people to watch.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, my shop's got a lot of BND issues still, too. I guess maybe sales will continue to drop, but I still don't see Marvel going back on OMD or undoing anything. Joe Q seemed pretty firm about the OMD changes being long-term solutions to what he perceived as Spider-Man's problems.

[moraldeficiency]

Yeah, my shop's got a lot of BND issues still, too. I guess maybe sales will continue to drop, but I still don't see Marvel going back on OMD or undoing anything. Joe Q seemed pretty firm about the OMD changes being long-term solutions to what he perceived as Spider-Man's problems.

Yes, but that's what he said about dead mean's dead. Read Captian America lately?

If sales prove you wrong you correct the ship, it might take a while but it's a buisness and if your strategy doesn't work you reinvent it. I doubt Joe's going to admit a wrong and correct it quick, these things are never corrected quickly (like the clone saga), but he's not going to run a flagship, the flagship actually, character into the ground just cause he's stubborn.

As long as ASM isn't selling out at LCS then they'll continue to drop their orders, remember marvel is skewed towards higher numbers because they don't buy back. Eventually this will cause the company to go back and identify what's wrong, but this never happens until there's a real problem so there'll be a wait.

I'll stick by my original assessment that ASM #666 coming out in aprox. 3 years will be the issue they undo the mess. I hope it's sooner but I'm not betting on it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Heh, that'd be appropriate.

[BlackLantern]

ASM is no. 3 on the sales list for Marvel....even during its worst times it never dropped out of the top 10. Like I said before, lots of people still buy it simply because its Spider-Man, regardless of story quality.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but the same was true during the Clone Saga, yet sales still eventually dipped low enough afterwards to warrant retconning that mess away.

[Kitsune]

This made me thing of my father's favorite poem...
Even This Shall Pass Away

Once in Persia reigned a King
Who upon his signet ring
Graved a maxim true and wise,
Which, if held before the eyes,
Gave him counsel at a glance,
Fit for every change and chance.
Solemn words, and these are they:
"Even this shall pass away."

Trains of camels through the sand
Brought his gems from Samarcand;
Fleets of galleys through the seas
Brought him pearls to match with these.
But he counted not his gain
Treasures of the mine or main;
"What is wealth?" the king would say;
"Even this shall pass away."

In the revels of his court
At the zenith of the sport,
When the palms of all his guests
Burned with clapping at his jests;
He amid his figs and wine,
Cried: "Oh loving friends of mine!"
"Pleasure comes but not to stay;"
"Even this shall pass away."

Fighting on a furious field,
Once a javelin pierced his shield;
Soldiers with a loud lament
Bore him bleeding to his tent;
Groaning from his tortured side,
"Pain is hard to bear," he cried,
"But with patience, day by day,
Even this shall pass away."

Towering in the public square,
Twenty cubits in the air,
Rose his statue, carved in stone,
Then, the king, disguised, unknown,
Stood before his sculptured name
Musing meekly, "What is fame?
Fame is but a slow decay
Even this shall pass away."

Struck with palsy, sere and old,
Waiting at the gates of gold,
Said he with his dying breath;
"Life is done, but what is death?"
Then, in answer to the King,
Fell a sunbeam on his ring,
Showing by a heavenly ray,
"Even this shall pass away."

--- Theodore Tilton

[Docker2.0]

well........................the next Spidey issue is my last. I was giving it a chance but..............these stories are horrible. JMS did a great job til he got on the totem pole Spidey stuff but come to find out, a lot of this stuff really wasn't his idea. I think Civil War has messed up more story lines in the MU than they are admitting. It seems like Spidey,DD, IF and some others live outside of the SHRA. I mean, they mention it but they are hunted like they were before. I just wish that it would be retconned and go from there.

[BlackLantern]

I just like the fact that I am not getting Aunt May or MJ crammed down my throat every issue

[BlackLantern]

well........................the next Spidey issue is my last. I was giving it a chance but..............these stories are horrible. JMS did a great job til he got on the totem pole Spidey stuff but come to find out, a lot of this stuff really wasn't his idea. I think Civil War has messed up more story lines in the MU than they are admitting. It seems like Spidey,DD, IF and some others live outside of the SHRA. I mean, they mention it but they are hunted like they were before. I just wish that it would be retconned and go from there.

well they are considered fugitives by the SHRA, so why wouldn't they be hunted??

[TheCorpulent1]

I just like the fact that I am not getting Aunt May or MJ crammed down my throat every issue
That was a big problem toward the end of JMS' run. He got very myopic on Peter, MJ, and May, to the extent that the latter two were literally Peter's only supporting cast. Pretty annoying.

[Darthphere]

I just like the fact that I am not getting Aunt May or MJ crammed down my throat every issue

I rather cram something down MJ's throat anyway.:o:whatever::wow::csad::word::brucebat:

[Anubis]

Oh Darth, you are what the Spaniards call "El Terrible". :up:

[Docker2.0]

well they are considered fugitives by the SHRA, so why wouldn't they be hunted??

Remember when the SHRA was first introduced? If a hero came out in public, SHIELD was there to try to get him. How often has Spidey or DD or IF been in public and nothing has happened. I know they are "fugitives" but at the same time, they are not being pursued like they use to.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's true. There aren't nearly as many Capekillers running around lately.

[Docker2.0]

I think the SHRA needs to be revamped or done away with. It's clear that it was only a gimmick. The idea of it wasn't bad, it's just that it doesn't kind of make sense. Hopefully Nick Fury would head up SHIELD again and find a way to get rid of it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, I'd prefer to just see unregistered heroes worry about Capekillers or the Initiative more, myself. It's a good idea, but it requires that people stay on the ball and make references to it occasionally.

[fifthfiend]

I think the SHRA needs to be revamped or done away with. It's clear that it was only a gimmick. The idea of it wasn't bad, it's just that it doesn't kind of make sense. Hopefully Nick Fury would head up SHIELD again and find a way to get rid of it.



I imagine it will go something like

US Gov't: "The Super Hero Registration Act is the law and everyone gots to follow it and we're America and we say so!"

Nick Fury: "No it ain't."

US Gov't: "**** guys Fury said no, all right everybody party's over."

[BlackLantern]

Fury has been underground for the past couple years.....what exactly are Marvels' plans for him?

[fifthfiend]

That was a big problem toward the end of JMS' run. He got very myopic on Peter, MJ, and May, to the extent that the latter two were literally Peter's only supporting cast. Pretty annoying.

Excellent usage of "myopic". :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Thank you. :)
Fury has been underground for the past couple years.....what exactly are Marvels' plans for him?
He's basically going to be the savior of Secret Invasion, from the sound of it. He's been piecing together the details on the Skrull infiltration ever since he went underground after Secret War, according to Bendis.

[BlackLantern]

so Fury will be kicking Skrull ass and taking names? sounds good to me....

[Docker2.0]

Thank you. :)

He's basically going to be the savior of Secret Invasion, from the sound of it. He's been piecing together the details on the Skrull infiltration ever since he went underground after Secret War, according to Bendis.

Face it Corp, Bendis hasn't exactly been known to be a straight shooter. I would be surprised if he makes it out of SI, though it would be good to see Fury heading up SHIELD again and IM being a hero only again. Has it been revealed that Maria Hill is a skrull yet? I remember someone asking her how could she come out of nowhere and lead SHIELD. :huh:

[BlackLantern]

now Hill is Tony Starks' personal coffee getter

[TheCorpulent1]

Not in Iron Man's comic. She was pretty awesome in the last few issues of that.

And Docker, Maria Hill was appointed the new Director of SHIELD after Secret War because she was a solid agent with no loyalty to Nick Fury. Since everything we saw of SHIELD before Civil War centered on Nick Fury and his close associates, that's why she apparently came out of nowhere.

[Docker2.0]

Speaking of which, in MA, why did she want Fury arrested? Why is he a wanted man? He didn't kill anyone, he just.........I don't know what he did. I think she's a skrull though.

[TheCorpulent1]

He nearly created an international incident by going behind the UN's back and running an unauthorized op into sovereign Latverian territory. That's kind of a gigantic deal for the head of a major intelligence and espionage organization.

[Themanofbat]

ASM is no. 3 on the sales list for Marvel....even during its worst times it never dropped out of the top 10. Like I said before, lots of people still buy it simply because its Spider-Man, regardless of story quality.

Now that the 4 new writers have had their "token 4 months" to start the show, I'm really interested in seeing how they play their cards from hereonin...

:yay:

[BlackLantern]

I think Hill was running the SHIELD bureau in Malaysia before her promotion

[Docker2.0]

Hill is asian? :huh:

[Anubis]

No, she was just in....whatever the hell the name of that made up country is that's a total crap hole in the MU that Wolverine goes every couple of years and poses as some douche named Patch to kill lots of other douche bags.

[fifthfiend]

No, she was just in....whatever the hell the name of that made up country is that's a total crap hole in the MU that Wolverine goes every couple of years and poses as some douche named Patch to kill lots of other douche bags.

Madripoor.

I mean when they've got "poor" right in the name you know it's a ****hole.

[moraldeficiency]

No, she was just in....whatever the hell the name of that made up country is that's a total crap hole in the MU that Wolverine goes every couple of years and poses as some douche named Patch to kill lots of other douche bags.

doucheland? canada?

[TheCorpulent1]

Close. But it's Madripoor.

Tony just went there himself to depose Viper (the green-haired chick who's not on the UN's payroll) and install Tyger Tyger as leader.

[Anubis]

Yeah, that was a pretty good annual.

[kguillou]

Speaking of tony Stark, i wonder what his relationship is with Spider-man now?

[fifthfiend]

canada?

Naw, that's a totally different fictional country.

[Themanofbat]

doucheland? canada?

Close. But it's Madripoor.

You guys would only be so lucky to live in the GREATEST Country on Earth...

^%#&^$ the USA. :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

:yay:

[iloveclones]

^Reverend Wright?

[Blader5489]

Speaking of tony Stark, i wonder what his relationship is with Spider-man now?

Not friendly.

[Docker2.0]

They haven't met becuase the unmasking thing has been retconned. I'm telling you, this BND thing doesn't make any sense. :huh:

[TheCorpulent1]

I wonder if he still had a mentor/student relationship with Peter in spite of not knowing his identity...

[Harlekin]

Most likely yes.

[Xofenroht]

They still had all of that. He just doesn't remember the face under the mask. Look at it as a memory-wipe and nothing else. Just one, huge, magickal memory wipe (or smokescreen.)

[Themanofbat]

^Reverend Wright?

lol... :woot: :woot: :woot:

:cwink:

[Themanofbat]

I wonder if he still had a mentor/student relationship with Peter in spite of not knowing his identity...

Oh mighty one... How am I bypassing a censor when I'm using ^%$^%$* between letters?

Christ, they do that in the comics...

:huh: :huh: :huh:

:whatever: :whatever:

And stop editing my posts... if you want the content changed, PM me and I'll do it myself.
Thanks.

:cmad:

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I'm telling you, this BND thing doesn't make any sense. :huh:

Thats because its "Magic":oldrazz::whatever:

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh mighty one... How am I bypassing a censor when I'm using ^%$^%$* between letters?

Christ, they do that in the comics...

:huh: :huh: :huh:

:whatever: :whatever:

And stop editing my posts... if you want the content changed, PM me and I'll do it myself.
Thanks.

:cmad:
Because, as I understand it, anything that doesn't cover up the whole word is considered bypassing the censor, and I've been told to get rid of anything like that immediately. There's a global sticky on the top of every board on the forum about it. I'll PM you from now on, but if it's not changed in five or ten minutes, I'm still going to do it myself.

I'm pretty sure they substitute symbols for the whole word in the comics, too. It took me a while to figure out which curse words went where as a kid because of that.

[Kitsune]

doucheland? canada?

"What's the worst that can befall us.. .DUcheland, Ducheland, Uber Alles"

[spideyboy_1111]

i did realise a wierd loop hole the other day in continuity.... if no one knows spidey's identity then how was Iron Spider even made? Also if "the other" never happened then is morlun dead?

[iloveclones]

The Other happened.

Iron Spider happened.

Morlun is dead (as dead as anyone is.)

The change isn't that no-one ever knew. The change is that no-one remembers. You might think it's retarded, but why don't you just leave it at that? I mean, you're trying to poke holes in something you think is stupid. Why bother?

[Anubis]

Apparently, all of it happened exactly the way it happened, just nobody remembers it.

[Anubis]

The Other happened.

Iron Spider happened.

Morlun is dead (as dead as anyone is.)

The change isn't that no-one ever knew. The change is that no-one remembers. You might think it's retarded, but why don't you just leave it at that? I mean, you're trying to poke holes in something you think is stupid. Why bother?

Cuz it's stupid.

[Blader5489]

i did realise a wierd loop hole the other day in continuity.... if no one knows spidey's identity then how was Iron Spider even made? Also if "the other" never happened then is morlun dead?

For the billionth time, a mindwipe isn't retroactive. History hasn't been changed so that nobody ever found out Spidey's identity, people have simply forgotten.

And, also for the nth time, The Other still happened. Nothing was changed aside from the wedding and Harry's death.

[Kitsune]

Cuz it's stupid.

Does this mean that we can replace "A wizard did it" with "Mephisto did it?"

[spideyboy_1111]

For the billionth time, a mindwipe isn't retroactive. History hasn't been changed so that nobody ever found out Spidey's identity, people have simply forgotten.

And, also for the nth time, The Other still happened. Nothing was changed aside from the wedding and Harry's death.

Really? no body knows peter is spidey yet tony stark doesn't wonder why he suddenly doesn't remember who he made the iron spider-costume for? and didn't rig it with devices to essentially spy on him, not to mention forgetting that he talked spider-man into unmasking? mind wipe i can believe for most people, but tony stark should still be questioning why he can't remember.

actually the other didn't happen, the whole point of the other was to have peter die and evolve. He gained new abilities, which he doesn't appear to have anymore. This also means the spectacular arch where he turned into a man spider and gained organic webbing didn't happen either (thus why the webshooters are back).

[Anubis]

Does this mean that we can replace "A wizard did it" with "Mephisto did it?"

Yup.

[Anubis]

Really? no body knows peter is spidey yet tony stark doesn't wonder why he suddenly doesn't remember who he made the iron spider-costume for? and didn't rig it with devices to essentially spy on him, not to mention forgetting that he talked spider-man into unmasking? mind wipe i can believe for most people, but tony stark should still be questioning why he can't remember.

actually the other didn't happen, the whole point of the other was to have peter die and evolve. He gained new abilities, which he doesn't appear to have anymore. This also means the spectacular arch where he turned into a man spider and gained organic webbing didn't happen either (thus why the webshooters are back).

He still has all those powers, he just doesn't remember how to use them.

[Blader5489]

Really? no body knows peter is spidey yet tony stark doesn't wonder why he suddenly doesn't remember who he made the iron spider-costume for? and didn't rig it with devices to essentially spy on him, not to mention forgetting that he talked spider-man into unmasking? mind wipe i can believe for most people, but tony stark should still be questioning why he can't remember.

Nobody remembers Spidey unmasking. And why would Tony rig the Iron Spider suit with devices to spy on him? He's not an *******; he can respect Pete wanting to keep his identity a secret. Stark is one of the richest and most resourceful people in the MU, he can find out who anyone is at any given time. He simply chooses not to.

actually the other didn't happen, the whole point of the other was to have peter die and evolve. He gained new abilities, which he doesn't appear to have anymore. This also means the spectacular arch where he turned into a man spider and gained organic webbing didn't happen either (thus why the webshooters are back).

The Other. Still. Happened. Yes, Peter has since lost those abilities and his organic webbing, but that's something that happened during the missing time period between OMD and BND. But it still happened.

[spideyboy_1111]

Cuz it's stupid.

exactly, its an extremely poor decision and bad writting. A good writer would clarify 100%. I've been reading spidey since the JMS archs began. (always collected back issues though). And the point of good ideas and good writing is A) not alienating the fanbase (which as we can see it's obviously doing) and B) NOT causing confusion which it's obviously doing. I for one shouldnt have to ask these questions if it was explained well enough. :o

[spideyboy_1111]

He still has all those powers, he just doesn't remember how to use them.

haha, thats even funnier.... and more retarded

[Blader5489]

exactly, its an extremely poor decision and bad writting. A good writer would clarify 100%. I've been reading spidey since the JMS archs began. (always collected back issues though). And the point of good ideas and good writing is A) not alienating the fanbase (which as we can see it's obviously doing) and B) NOT causing confusion which it's obviously doing. I for one shouldnt have to ask these questions if it was explained well enough. :o

It has been explained several times over the last four months. It's only causing confusion for the people not paying attention.

[Anubis]

You should either pick a new favorite character or abandon the practice all together. Spidey sucks? That's okay, Nova's still awesome, read that instead. Or better yet, Invincible. That book rocks. Spidey done right. Or don't. I don't care, dropped ASM months ago.

[iloveclones]

What I'm saying spideyboy, is: all you're doing is preaching to the choir. All the people who don't like BND are going to shake their heads in agreement and continue not to buy it. You're continuing an argument that you've already won.

If you're doing it to convince people who are buying it, well, they don't care. You can throw every inconsistency at them and they're going to shake their head and say, "Ok" and go out and buy the next issue.

[spideyboy_1111]

Nobody remembers Spidey unmasking. And why would Tony rig the Iron Spider suit with devices to spy on him? He's not an *******; he can respect Pete wanting to keep his identity a secret. Stark is one of the richest and most resourceful people in the MU, he can find out who anyone is at any given time. He simply chooses not to.



The Other. Still. Happened. Yes, Peter has since lost those abilities and his organic webbing, but that's something that happened during the missing time period between OMD and BND. But it still happened.

DUDE did you even read civil war? tony didn't trust peter at all.. and totally turned on him.

..... dude do you realise what your saying? lol it still happened yes we know, its in a book, but reality has been altered things have changed, to what whole extent i really don't think has been clarified. I don't buy the fact peter "forgets" how to use his powers at all... both the spider-stingers and the organic webbing he found out on accedent. to say he cant accedentally do them now is dumb. His stingers would pop out during mystical beings, if he still had them, they woulda popped out during his myan god fight. just face it, tiger, joey Q is a quackpot.

[spideyboy_1111]

It has been explained several times over the last four months. It's only causing confusion for the people not paying attention.

you shouldn't have to read news articles to understand a book, good writing means the book should be self explained :o

[spideyboy_1111]

What I'm saying spideyboy, is: all you're doing is preaching to the choir. All the people who don't like BND are going to shake their heads in agreement and continue not to buy it. You're continuing an argument that you've already won.

If you're doing it to convince people who are buying it, well, they don't care. You can throw every inconsistency at them and they're going to shake their head and say, "Ok" and go out and buy the next issue.

I'm not preaching, im trying to get a better understanding. Yet all i get back from the blind lovers, are the same answer which really doesn't answer my question. then they get all diffensive about it like i'm defying god or something.

ps. your icon picture kinda looks like my grandma and other women on her side of the family... wonder if were related? wierd....

[iloveclones]

I'm not preaching, im trying to get a better understanding. Yet all i get back from the blind lovers, are the same answer which really doesn't answer my question. then they get all diffensive about it like i'm defying god or something.

ps. your icon picture kinda looks like my grandma and other women on her side of the family... wonder if were related? wierd....

It's my grandmother also who was Lithuanian(strangely enough, it's the second time it's come up today after being there a year and a half. If your's is still around, make sure you treat her special. Give her a call. I mean it.)

I wasn't implying that you were preaching...



"Preaching to the choir", "preaching to the chorus", and "preaching to the converted" all mean the same thing, that the people you are trying to convince already believe in what you are saying. Example: "I agree with you entirely; you are preaching to the choir." You are "preaching to the choir" when you talk (preach) to people to convince them of something they already believe. Example: "Don't just stand there preaching to the choir; get out and find new members!" The members of the "choir" play the music, while those in the "chorus" sing along, as the preacher preaches to change (convert) the non-believers into believers ("the converted"). People tell you that you are "preaching to the converted" to let you know they support your idea; they also might be saying you don't need so spend so much energy to make them believe what they already believe. Example: "You don't need to tell me this project is important; you're preaching to the converted."

[spideyboy_1111]

mine unfortuneatly died about 2 years ago from cancer. all ive got is my grampa left... my grandmother on my mother's side died in a car accident when i was in 6th grade, and my grandfather on that side died a month before i was born of black lung and lung cancer :(. I got my gramps still left though and he's awesome. Hardest part about losing a loved one is not being there in there last days... my grandma passed away while i was out here in college.

[BlackLantern]

my whole issue the past couple years was that aunt may and MJ were getting shoved down the readers throats every ***in' issue....its nice to read an issue and not have to see either of them for a while....

[spideyboy_1111]

my whole issue the past couple years was that aunt may and MJ were getting shoved down the readers throats every ***in' issue....its nice to read an issue and not have to see either of them for a while....

i can understand that completely, though i thought it was perfectly alright till the last half of JMS's archs. I loved having May know peter's secret, best moment ever was when peter and mj went to fly to LA, and peters webshooters went off in the metal detector. JMS made may a character, and not some old bat who who gets sick all the time. But people failed to write MJ realistically... when she got back with peter after LA, she was still the hip and fun MJ, but after losing her acting jobs she became frumpy and didn't know what to do with herself (and neither could the writers for some reason), they seem to have forgotten MJ's party girl personality and social behavior. She suddenly had no friends, and her first attempt at gaining one since peter and her were reunited (sue storm, which was a great issue btw) got ripped away by the events of one more day. Theres easy ways to have fixed things, JQ was just too lazy

[Themanofbat]

exactly, its an extremely poor decision and bad writting. A good writer would clarify 100%. I've been reading spidey since the JMS archs began. (always collected back issues though). And the point of good ideas and good writing is A) not alienating the fanbase (which as we can see it's obviously doing) and B) NOT causing confusion which it's obviously doing. I for one shouldnt have to ask these questions if it was explained well enough. :o

When I was a little kid in the 70's and I would read comics, I didn't need anybody to explain EVERYTHING to me right away and have my hand held as I flipped from page to page because the stories were still cool to read, even though there was mystery and confusion (in my head) surrounding what I was being exposed to.

And unfortunately, some of those little mysteries that surrounded OMD/BND will be coming, but you'll have to be a patient little boy and wait it out like the rest of us... I know this may be difficult, but I'm sure your Mom will make you a nice batch of chocolate chip cookies while the answers will eventually come forth... and the beauty of it all is that IF you don't like said answers, or you're way too impatient to wait it out like we used to do in the old days, then simply buy other comics that will satiate your immediate need to be spoon-fed all the answers you need to know ASAP.

Have a nice day.

:yay:

[BlackLantern]

I don't feel alienated at all and I'm part of the fanbase

[Blader5489]

DUDE did you even read civil war? tony didn't trust peter at all.. and totally turned on him.

Turned on him? He asked Peter to reveal his identity on TV, Peter complied, and then later switched sides. Tony didn't even do anything.

Like I said, Tony could learn the identities of any hero he wanted through sheer surveillance. He simply doesn't out of respect for those heroes' identities.

..... dude do you realise what your saying? lol it still happened yes we know, its in a book, but reality has been altered things have changed, to what whole extent i really don't think has been clarified. I don't buy the fact peter "forgets" how to use his powers at all... both the spider-stingers and the organic webbing he found out on accedent. to say he cant accedentally do them now is dumb. His stingers would pop out during mystical beings, if he still had them, they woulda popped out during his myan god fight. just face it, tiger, joey Q is a quackpot.

The Other is still in continuity. It wasn't wiped out of history; Steve Wacker even said that the story still exists in continuity.

And nobody said that Pete has forgotten to use his Other powers or organic webbing; he had them once and now he doesn't. That's something that remains to be explained. Btw, the only time the stingers would pop out was when he fought his "other", not any mystical being.

[spideyboy_1111]

Turned on him? He asked Peter to reveal his identity on TV, Peter complied, and then later switched sides. Tony didn't even do anything.

Like I said, Tony could learn the identities of any hero he wanted through sheer surveillance. He simply doesn't out of respect for those heroes' identities.

i guess you missed the part where tony specifically designed the suit to fail, if peter ever switched sides... he also did some survalance on peter through the suit. i specifically remember tony asking peter something peter didn't tell him and questioning him about it.


The Other is still in continuity. It wasn't wiped out of history; Steve Wacker even said that the story still exists in continuity.

And nobody said that Pete has forgotten to use his Other powers or organic webbing; he had them once and now he doesn't. That's something that remains to be explained. Btw, the only time the stingers would pop out was when he fought his "other", not any mystical being.

everything still exists in continuity, thats a trick question. It can still be erased yet still in continuity. Once the BND fiasco is over and mephisto's spell is broken (which we all know it eventually will) it will be back to being relevant. :o

actually they popped out fighting morlun as well... it wasn't just the other/mrs arrow.

[Norman Osborn]

. Btw, the only time the stingers would pop out was when he fought his "other", not any mystical being.

Absolutely not true, the stingers popped out when fighting the wrestler in the Mask vs Mask FNSM arc....he almost killed the guy with them.

[spideyboy_1111]

Absolutely not true, the stingers popped out when fighting the wrestler in the Mask vs Mask FNSM arc....he almost killed the guy with them.

nice, i forgot about that one too

[spideyboy_1111]

btw... this does bring an interesting question.... its rumored that a big magical event is coming in the not to distant future... which could quite possibly involve reality warping people such as scarlet witch and mephisto.... i wonder if that will end up being when spidey's life is set back to normal....

[BlackLantern]

btw... this does bring an interesting question.... its rumored that a big magical event is coming in the not to distant future... which could quite possibly involve reality warping people such as scarlet witch and mephisto.... i wonder if that will end up being when spidey's life is set back to normal....

If by 'back to normal' you mean having a whiny redhead getting kidnapped every other week and then complaining that her super hero husband doesn't pay her enough attention 'normal' then I guess.....

[Norman Osborn]

Turned on him? He asked Peter to reveal his identity on TV, Peter complied, and then later switched sides. Tony didn't even do anything.
.

Actually could you give me a` quote on that cause I don't remember Stark ever asking Pete to reveal his identity on tv.....I remember him telling Pete he had to register but I always thought it was Pete that unmasked willingly without provocation from Stark (which has always been my beef as it pertains to Spidey's characterization)

/.....not saying I'm 100% sure....but I'd like to see any wriiten indication that discussion took place

[spideyboy_1111]

If by 'back to normal' you mean having a whiny redhead getting kidnapped every other week and then complaining that her super hero husband doesn't pay her enough attention 'normal' then I guess.....

ummm in the past 3-4 years i believe the only "kidnapping" that occured was just morlun attacking her during the other... no villain has really come near her since her fake plane explosion/kidnapping... :o

[BlackLantern]

Ideally I should only have to see MJ once every 3 or 4 issues.....

[Blader5489]

Absolutely not true, the stingers popped out when fighting the wrestler in the Mask vs Mask FNSM arc....he almost killed the guy with them.

Wtf, can't Peter David keep his own continuity straight. :cmad:

Actually could you give me a` quote on that cause I don't remember Stark ever asking Pete to reveal his identity on tv.....I remember him telling Pete he had to register but I always thought it was Pete that unmasked willingly without provocation from Stark (which has always been my beef as it pertains to Spidey's characterization)

You may be right. I don't have my Civil War issues at school with me though, so I can't check to be sure.

[fifthfiend]

When I was a little kid in the 70's and I would read comics, I didn't need anybody to explain EVERYTHING to me right away and have my hand held as I flipped from page to page because the stories were still cool to read, even though there was mystery and confusion (in my head) surrounding what I was being exposed to.

And unfortunately, some of those little mysteries that surrounded OMD/BND will be coming, but you'll have to be a patient little boy and wait it out like the rest of us... I know this may be difficult, but I'm sure your Mom will make you a nice batch of chocolate chip cookies while the answers will eventually come forth... and the beauty of it all is that IF you don't like said answers, or you're way too impatient to wait it out like we used to do in the old days, then simply buy other comics that will satiate your immediate need to be spoon-fed all the answers you need to know ASAP.

Could you please write some more posts where you claim to be mature while making snide personal remarks in response to people's views on comic books? I have this taste for irony you see, and posts like the above are a feast.

[Norman Osborn]

You may be right. I don't have my Civil War issues at school with me though, so I can't check to be sure.

I could find no mention of it in Civil WAr.....I did however find it in ASM 532....Pete and Tony are on the plane discussing registering with the government......

Tony: I'm saying that because of my position, I have to make sure everything is on the up and up. That means that the only way that Peter Parker can work with me...is if Spider-man unmasks......

Peter: I can't, don't ask that of me, anything else but not that.

Tony: It's not me asking Peter, if you don't unmask you'll be "just like the other powers who defy the law"

Now although Tony does say "unmask", it's my understanding that he meant for the government and not on TV.....if he meant on tv than Stark's next statement makes no sense as we know, no other powers were asked to unmask on tv......

.......anyway it's vague enough I wouldn't argue the point...too viciously :)

dammit now I have to put them all back in the box !!....damn you blader!!

[BlackLantern]

the point that Tony is trying to make is that if Peter wants to fight the good fight with Tony and the Avengers, he has to play by the rules....

[Norman Osborn]

the point that Tony is trying to make is that if Peter wants to fight the good fight with Tony and the Avengers, he has to play by the rules....

I agree...and the rule was the SHRA.....which stated they had to reveal themselves to the govt, not the general public

[BlackLantern]

I like the concept of the SHRA and I hope this big event later this year doesn't wipe that out

[Norman Osborn]

I like the concept of the SHRA and I hope this big event later this year doesn't wipe that out


Me too but it sems like it's all but forgotten.....how many times have the NA met the MA since then?.....It's like....halt Spider-man, you're under arrest for the violation of section 2.......ohhh shiny red ball....

[BlackLantern]

Tony seems to be tying up SHIELD in this Red Hulk business....Spider-Man seems unimportant to them at times..

[Blader5489]

Tony seems to be tying up SHIELD in this Red Hulk business....Spider-Man seems unimportant to them at times..

SHIELD is being tied up in a lot of business nowadays. Hunting down Spider-Man seems to be the least of their problems...until August, that is. :word:

[Themanofbat]

Could you please write some more posts where you claim to be mature while making snide personal remarks in response to people's views on comic books? I have this taste for irony you see, and posts like the above are a feast.

Sometimes I have to belittle myself in order to get a point across to my intended audience.

:yay:

[Xofenroht]

I'm coming to the slow realization that people are just posting their own irrational thoughts and questions because, unlike in the old days before the internet, they simply can voice their opinions and ***** to an entire community of people who actually give a damn about what they're *****ing about.

Anyone with any literary common sense, who read OMD, should know that MJ whispered something to Mephisto which could only be an extra condition to the bargain she and Pete made with him. Since we're also on the subject of deals with the devil, we ALL know that nothing is what it seems.

With that said: Is Harry REALLY alive? Are the mechanical webshooters REALLY a positive change for Pete (considering all the problems they've been leading to in BND)? MJ is avoiding Pete, and we know she still remembers, so there IS some sort of out left for them.

Also, no one remembers. You'd be surprised at all the connections you lose to things when you forget one major detail, in this case the major detail is Spider-Man's true identity. So Stark wouldn't remember, but that doesn't mean he couldn't imagine he came across the idea for the Iron-Spiders some other way. It's not as if he doesn't remember that Spider-Man exists or what his powers might be.

You guys are also overlooking the fact that this is all taking place amidst Secret Invasion, so anyone who's alive now, who wasn't before BND, just could be a Skrull. But I guess the majority of the comic fan base for the Big Two have gotten spoiled off the luxury of the internet.

So if you have questions, the best way to find the answers is to read the damn comic. Otherwise, don't ***** and moan about something you know very little about and don't even care to explore on your own.

[BlackLantern]

Well said Xofen...from what I gathered from OMD and some of the conversations that Harry and Peter have had...Pete and MJ were involved but MJ left Pete at the altar....There was also something that happened in in issue of Avengers Initiative that address the Iron Spider armor

[Xofenroht]

She left him at the altar? I was wondering who left who.

[dolcry]

Well, not everyone, given ASM's continued strong sales, which are still an improvement over the sum of the sales of pre-OMD ASM, SSM, and FNSM.

I can't understand why people continue to support these titles. I can't even read them, and I stuck through Spidey during the Clone Saga and... well, the Clone Saga. I've always loved this character, and have put up with many terrible issues because I knew they would get better. I don't have that faith now.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Turned on him? He asked Peter to reveal his identity on TV, Peter complied, and then later switched sides. Tony didn't even do anything.

Like I said, Tony could learn the identities of any hero he wanted through sheer surveillance. He simply doesn't out of respect for those heroes' identities.

i guess you missed the part where tony specifically designed the suit to fail, if peter ever switched sides... he also did some survalance on peter through the suit. i specifically remember tony asking peter something peter didn't tell him and questioning him about it.

Your also forgetting how Tony used the suits sensors to learn how to cancel out Peters "Spider Sence" camera's in Pete's and MJ's beed room to watch her shower.

[Ikaris-Eternal]

" I can't even read them"

if you aren't reading the issues, how could you possibly know whether they are any good?

(which, for the most part, they are imo)

[Eros]

Peter an MJ's Marriage wiped out, Gwen stacy being a whore, who had an affair with a supervillian lunatic, still going strong. Its oddties like this, that make you question why spider-man didn't start makeing deals with the devil years ago. None the less, Im intrigued by the levels of mystery and utter character assasination Joe Q continues to level on Peter post OMD. lets not forget the fact Joe Q had to be talked out of eraseing gwen classic death from history. I can't wait till the 80 something Aunt May is about to die again, perhaps Hades is in a deal makeing mood that week.

With that rant done, Im still rather interesting in events to come. Spider-man has regressed as a character though. Im still curious is to how am I suppose to feel about a superhero who is stuck in arrested development. He can't grow up or have kids, he can't stop acting like a 28 year old teenager, and most importanly he can never become a man. Im still reading though, so I will see if one day the character does become a man.

[spideyboy_1111]

She left him at the altar? I was wondering who left who.

see this is where its confusing to me... i've heard people say they didn't get married but continued to live together until they had a bad argument. Now if one of them left the other at the altar and they still planned to get married the same time they originally did.... then shouldn't they have been broken up for a while.. i mean sure some people stay together after calling off a wedding, but literally being stud up at the altar usually constitutes the end of everything. Peter also seems to be very over MJ in BND... so I'm thinking there break-up was definately not a recent thing

[spideyboy_1111]

Your also forgetting how Tony used the suits sensors to learn how to cancel out Peters "Spider Sence" camera's in Pete's and MJ's beed room to watch her shower.

thanks for reminding me... tony was a creep

[spideyboy_1111]

Peter an MJ's Marriage wiped out, Gwen stacy being a whore, who had an affair with a supervillian lunatic, still going strong. Its oddties like this, that make you question why spider-man didn't start makeing deals with the devil years ago. None the less, Im intrigued by the levels of mystery and utter character assasination Joe Q continues to level on Peter post OMD. lets not forget the fact Joe Q had to be talked out of eraseing gwen classic death from history. I can't wait till the 80 something Aunt May is about to die again, perhaps Hades is in a deal makeing mood that week.

With that rant done, Im still rather interesting in events to come. Spider-man has regressed as a character though. Im still curious is to how am I suppose to feel about a superhero who is stuck in arrested development. He can't grow up or have kids, he can't stop acting like a 28 year old teenager, and most importanly he can never become a man. Im still reading though, so I will see if one day the character does become a man.

all well said, and 100% of how i feel

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

see this is where its confusing to me... i've heard people say they didn't get married but continued to live together until they had a bad argument. Now if one of them left the other at the altar and they still planned to get married the same time they originally did.... then shouldn't they have been broken up for a while.. i mean sure some people stay together after calling off a wedding, but literally being stud up at the altar usually constitutes the end of everything. Peter also seems to be very over MJ in BND... so I'm thinking there break-up was definately not a recent thing

Thats because you got one leg stuck in the real world.I cant give you exact numbers but the main idea of the mide wipe was to regress Peter in age a few years with out actually saying it.

So the idea is thats its only been about 2 years since she MJ left Peter.

So what you have to think is that all of the events of the past 20 years all took place in under 2 years.

thanks for reminding me... tony was a creep

Thats putting it nicely.

[kguillou]

That's honestly the only problem i have with BND right now, Peter's immaturity. After 6 years of JMS' mature yet still funny Peter Parker portrayal, its hard to go back to the happy-go-lucky, immature, down to my last dollar, living with Aunt May, " Uh-oh my I ran out of webbing...!" Peter Parker. I have no problem with Spidey acting a little clownish, thats part of his charm, but i don't like it when they overdo it. I like Peter to be funny yet at the same time very mature and serious, after all the guy's in his mid-twenties. I hated Guggenheim's interpretation of Spidey, he was acting way too childish all the time. Wells and Slott were able to balance the maturity with the funny very well, Spidey needs writers like that.

[Doc Destruction]

What the hell?

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20196484,00.html

ANTI-VENOM???

Ugh.

[moraldeficiency]

What the hell?

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20196484,00.html

ANTI-VENOM???

Ugh.

Yeah I'm not actually sure what that all means, but by the pics and article we have:
Eddie Brock, Norman Osborn, MJ and Kraven's tombstone? I'm wondering if one of the symbiote kids or if venom himself bonded with Kraven's corpse.

[TheCorpulent1]

Heh, "Anti-Venom" is pretty stupid, but if it ultimately winds up putting Eddie Brock back in a symbiote, I'm all for it.

[iloveclones]

Six sweet issues of Slott and JRJR. I like the name. I'm surprised with all the symbiote madness at one point, no-one ever came up with that one. (I will admit I'm not crazy about another symbiote. I've never even been that big a Venom fan to be honest.)

What the heck's an Anti-Venom? We'll find out when The Amazing Spider-Man No. 568 — the first of a pivotal six-issue arc called ''New Ways to Die,'' written by Dan Slott (Avengers: The Initiative) and illustrated by John Romita Jr. (Daredevil: The Man Without Fear) — hits stores in August.

[moraldeficiency]

Heh, "Anti-Venom" is pretty stupid, but if it ultimately winds up putting Eddie Brock back in a symbiote, I'm all for it.

Eh, I can do without brock, I find the symbiote a much more interesting character than eddie's thinly thought out vendetta.

[TheCorpulent1]

Honestly, I'd prefer Carnage back over any incarnation of Venom, but it looks like that's not happening as long as Bendis is around.

[BlackLantern]

I always liked Kraven...so I hope either one of his sons makes a return

[BlackLantern]

Honestly, I'd prefer Carnage back over any incarnation of Venom, but it looks like that's not happening as long as Bendis is around.

I don't like Carnage....he's like an "extreme" Venom....but comes off as a retarded monkey

[Kitsune]

I don't like Carnage....he's like an "extreme" Venom....but comes off as a retarded monkey

I remember when the Joker compared him to David Hasslefhoff. He was never really a serial killer... he was a spree killer.

[TheCorpulent1]

He was basically another Venom, only he wasn't allowed to develop boring antiheroic tendencies, unlike his forebear. The symbiotes lend themselves really well to psychotic mass-murderers and crazy amounts of violence. If they want to put Brock back in the suit and make Venom a full-on psychotic villain again, I'd be cool with that. Bringing Carnage back just seems like a quicker route to that same end.

[Ion Kenshin]

ANti-venom huh? well im always intrigued by things like this and im gonna do the same with this as i have been with the BND spidey just taking it an issues at a time. I havent been completely disappointed with the new direction there have been some lackluster issues but im gonna keep marching on.

[moraldeficiency]

I remember when the Joker compared him to David Hasslefhoff. He was never really a serial killer... he was a spree killer.

Yeah there really aren't enough spree killers out there, and marvel kinda ruined a rather clever one just so some drug addicted loser can get some creds. Of course this is the same issue with a pansified jigsaw breaking spider-man's arm like a twig.

I always wanted to get carnage's symbiote's take on things. I mean eddie's parasite was the renegade of it's race, and carnage's obviously didn't return to eating people so I always wondered what that generation's symbiotes thought, especially as they were the first born from a "father" that actually learned emotions. The more I think about it the more crappy those original tales of the symbiote children actually were. They had so much to go with but they didn't even seem to give them personalities at all. What a waste.

[Docker2.0]

Slotts and JR Jr is the only way I'm buying this book again so I will get this.

[Xofenroht]

Anti-Venom? This is starting to get ridiculous.

[Anubis]

Starting?

[Doc Destruction]

ROFL that's exactly what I was thinking.

[TheCorpulent1]

Regardless of the concepts, that sure is some pretty art by Romita.

[Xofenroht]

Tell me about it man. I love Romita's Spider-Man and Dan Slott isn't too bad either.

But damn, I might really have to suck up some pride and admit that ASM isn't really as great as it was when...

...please don't make me say it.

[TheCorpulent1]

You don't have to. I already know where you're going with it: "... when Howard Mackie was writing."

I know, man. I know. :(