The Amazing Spider-Man

[iloveclones]

I don't really see the point of asking a retailer what is and isn't selling, their experiences are going to differ. I mean, if you're that interested, there are sites that will give you the numbers.

[Darthphere]

Seems more business...al to me.

Considering most LCS are what we call mom and pop operations, asking "Yo how much ASM you be selling G?" is kind of a personal question, IMO.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't see why. I mean, you don't need to know their exact numbers, but what's the harm in making small talk about what's selling well and what's not while you're checking out?

[CorpusBlack]

You people ask your comic stores about how much **** they're selling? That seems kind of personal.

The owner at my shop just tells me things, as I've known him for decades. He's open about what sells and what doesn't for him.

[iloveclones]

Considering most LCS are what we call mom and pop operations, asking "Yo how much ASM you be selling G?" is kind of a personal question, IMO.

"How to be annoying in both the arena of comic-geekdom and fake rap-lingo!"

[CorpusBlack]

I don't see why. I mean, you don't need to know their exact numbers, but what's the harm in making small talk about what's selling well and what's not while you're checking out?

No harm at all IMO.

[moraldeficiency]

Yeah, it's not like you're asking to see their tax returns or something. Asking is "blank" selling well, I don't think is too personal. Besides it's not like ASM is the store's creation, just a product they sell. Plus most comic stores have a rather gossipy atmosphere, the culture caters to it.

[Darthphere]

I don't see why. I mean, you don't need to know their exact numbers, but what's the harm in making small talk about what's selling well and what's not while you're checking out?

Frankly, because it's none of your business?:huh:

[CorpusBlack]

Frankly, because it's none of your business?:huh:

roar.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I've mentioned when things sell out to my shop dudes and they'll often come right out and tell me, yeah, that comic's been selling like crazy lately; we ordered more than we usually do and it still keeps selling out.

[BlackLantern]

Frankly, because it's none of your business?:huh:

a good friend of mine runs the shop I go to and he lets me see the books anyway....

[TheCorpulent1]

Frankly, because it's none of your business?:huh:
And if they don't want to tell you, they won't. But people who work at comic shops don't really mind those questions, as far as I've seen.

[CorpusBlack]

And if they don't want to tell you, they won't. But people who work at comic shops don't really mind those questions, as far as I've seen.

Most shop owners I talk to love those questions because they love chit chatting about comics and the business.

[moraldeficiency]

Most shop owners I talk to love those questions because they love chit chatting about comics and the business.

Exactely.


Hey I just noticed where you live, I go there to kayak fairly often, pretty area but a bit boring.

[TheCorpulent1]

The guys at my shop are a little more into the indie scene, so they don't usually chat about how superhero comics are selling unless I ask. They did once encourage me to special-order stuff that wasn't on the racks because, unlike them, the owners of the shop want to actually make money, so they tend to order mostly superhero stuff unless people display a real interest in indie comics outside of Dark Horse and IDW and the other stuff they would normally get anyway.

[Hans]

And if they don't want to tell you, they won't. But people who work at comic shops don't really mind those questions, as far as I've seen.

Exactly. The other week, I was talking to the owner of the shop I go to, and I was really surprised to learn that Fables, BPRD and Hellboy are his biggest sellers.

[TheCorpulent1]

Those are some unlikely top sellers. More deserving than the likelier suspects, though. :up:

[Hans]

Yeah, we have good taste here. :)

[CorpusBlack]

Exactely.


Hey I just noticed where you live, I go there to kayak fairly often, pretty area but a bit boring.

Yeah, but we have a comic shop. :up:

[Themanofbat]

You people ask your comic stores about how much **** they're selling? That seems kind of personal.

I once ran a LCS for 4 years, and the guys currently running all 3 of them know me that way (a couple were old customers), so they know that I can "talk the talk"... I suspect that they would give other people rhetoric, but I get the real deal.

:yay:

[moraldeficiency]

Yeah, but we have a comic shop. :up:

Not knocking the area at all. Really beautiful. Last time I was there I kayaked about three feet next to three dolphins, then got I smoked a joint watching the sunset with my girl while out on the gulf, it's really amazing there.

[CorpusBlack]

Not knocking the area at all. Really beautiful. Last time I was there I kayaked about three feet next to three dolphins, then got I smoked a joint watching the sunset with my girl while out on the gulf, it's really amazing there.

I work 70-80 hours a week between my job and side projects so I have never seen these things.

[moraldeficiency]

I work 70-80 hours a week between my job and side projects so I have never seen these things.

Dear god man, take a break.

[CorpusBlack]

Dear god man, take a break.

My masters wouldn't allow that.

[CorpusBlack]

Back to Spidey. I thought the new issue was drab but what else is new.

[Docker2.0]

This issue sucked! I didn't think it could get any worse than it was but I was wrong big time!

[Kitsune]

This issue sucked! I didn't think it could get any worse than it was but I was wrong big time!

But tell us how you really feel :D

[Blaktin America]

Suck-Tastic!

[Xofenroht]

It actually was very lackluster, but hey...Slott's coming back.

[Vanguard07]

I hated the dialogue a lot. It was written as though they expected their readers to be retarded.... which given the fact that we're still reading it after all the Sins Past/The Other/OMD/BND crap I have to admit it's a somewhat reasonable assumption.

[Xofenroht]

Oh puh-lease. It did seem to be trying a little too hard to mirror Stan's style though.

[Themanofbat]

Man, the last two issues have been great, especially this last one... :up:

Marcos Martin's art is simply rocking my balls. :word:

:yay:

[TheCorpulent1]

Marcos Martin has a tendency to do that. :up:

[Themanofbat]

Marcos Martin has a tendency to do that. :up:

My balls need a good rocking every once in a while... :yay:

:csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Even though I'm still not onboard with BND, I'm glad Martin's getting the exposure. Working on Spider-Man, regardless of whatever's going on with the character, is a huge career-builder. I hope we get to see him on more high-profile projects now.

[Docker2.0]

So was the issue good? I'm getting my comics tomorrow, didn't buy them today.

[Themanofbat]

Even though I'm still not onboard with BND, I'm glad Martin's getting the exposure. Working on Spider-Man, regardless of whatever's going on with the character, is a huge career-builder. I hope we get to see him on more high-profile projects now.

I agree... the whole latest issue was one big Ditko homage... especially the fight scenes...

He's an awesome storyteller with his art... and it certainly helps when you've got Slott writing the book.

I love the last page where MJ finally makes her BND appearance and sayd "It's magic, tiger. Come over here and let me explain it to ya"... and she's reading "Faust" by Goethe. Slott's a genius.

:woot: :woot: :woot:

[JustABill]

-sigh- I guess I'm the only one not digging the art. Oh well. Good to see MJ back at least.

[WilliamK99]

For all those Marvel fans of the 90's who suffered through the Spider-clone saga... Brand New Day looks like a Pullitzer Prize winning storyline compared to that crap fest.

[spideyboy_1111]

-sigh- I guess I'm the only one not digging the art. Oh well. Good to see MJ back at least.

i didn't care for it either.. to be honest

[Kevin]

MJ. needs. to. DIE!!! If Peter can't have her (or least Flash) NO ONE CAN!!!!!!!!! No, I really hated the last page.

[TheCorpulent1]

You want Peter to have MJ or Flash? :huh:

[Hans]

Did anyone read the lastest issue? Was that ending telegraphed, or what? Actually, I've noticed that a lot of this current storyarc is ridiciculously predictable. It's obvious that when push comes to shove, Pete's going to turn his back on snapping celebrity shots, thus earning his credibility back AND also the scorn of Bennett. Pete goes back to being a struggling freelancer and Harry and he can be friends again. Yay. :dry:

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, to be fair, you could tell that Peter would ultimately learn that it's wrong to willfully invade people's privacy for a buck just from the solicitations and a dab of common sense. Pete's just not that kind of guy, unless BND changed him a lot more than I expected.

[moraldeficiency]

Well, to be fair, you could tell that Peter would ultimately learn that it's wrong to willfully invade people's privacy for a buck just from the solicitations and a dab of common sense. Pete's just not that kind of guy, unless BND changed him a lot more than I expected.

This is the same peter that made a deal with the devil to force his aunt against her wishes back to life. He liferaped his aunt. Invasion of privacy shouldn't be too big a deal for him.

[TheCorpulent1]

Hahaha, "liferaped." Nice. :D

[Hans]

Well, to be fair, you could tell that Peter would ultimately learn that it's wrong to willfully invade people's privacy for a buck just from the solicitations and a dab of common sense. Pete's just not that kind of guy, unless BND changed him a lot more than I expected.

Right, I know all that. But Slott's setting it up so that when Pete realizes he's a sleazeball loser, it's going to come at the cost of being Bennett's newfound golden goose, thus restoring the status quo. So in essence, once this arc concludes, absolutely nothing has actually progressed.

[TheCorpulent1]

They don't call 'em "perennial money problems" for nothing. ;)

[Hans]

They don't call 'em "perennial money problems" for nothing. ;)

Pete's pushing 30, dude. There's no excuse for someone in his shoes to still be a hapless loser, living with his aunt. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

He's still living with May? I thought all the interviews when BND started said that he wouldn't be there for long.

[BrianWilly]

Well, there was this (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/Doop/ASM558004.jpg). I dunno if anything actually came of it. :O

[TheCorpulent1]

Dear God, how do you guys stomach Peter doting over his poor, decrepit old aunt again after JMS progressed their relationship so positively? :o

[Hans]

He's still living with May? I thought all the interviews when BND started said that he wouldn't be there for long.

Yeah, he's still with May. This new paparazzo gig was going to give him the cash he needed to move in with that cop, but since he's quitting that, surprise, surprise, the status quo remains the same, and Parker's still a loser.

[iloveclones]

Dear God, how do you guys stomach Peter doting over his poor, decrepit old aunt again after JMS progressed their relationship so positively? :o

Actually, I think Aunt May is going to not be portrayed as the old, frail Aunt anymore. I think it will be a kind of running joke where Peter is sort of treating her that way, and meanwhile, she's off having a life. That, and the teacher bit were the best parts of JMS' run, though, so I am sad to see them go.

[BrianWilly]

Whether or not she actually is a frail woman is almost incidental to the fact that Peter naively treats her like one anyway. It's supposed to be funny, and yet all it does is come across as sad, reminding us of yet another thing we've lost.

And for the love of Giles, would someone please explain to the artist that, despite everything from the story suggesting this, Peter is not actually a fifteen year-old?

[BlackLantern]

Dear God, how do you guys stomach Peter doting over his poor, decrepit old aunt again after JMS progressed their relationship so positively? :o

I don't stomach it or like it, but as long as I don't have to see it every ******* issue I can tolerate it...

[spideyboy_1111]

Whether or not she actually is a frail woman is almost incidental to the fact that Peter naively treats her like one anyway. It's supposed to be funny, and yet all it does is come across as sad, reminding us of yet another thing we've lost.

And for the love of Giles, would someone please explain to the artist that, despite everything from the story suggesting this, Peter is not actually a fifteen year-old?

did you see harry? he looked like a frail twig and dying

[Hans]

I thought Martin's Harry was perfect. So was his Pete. He looked like a typical 20-something, yet iconicly Pete.

[Themanofbat]

Yeah, Marcos Martin draws a very Dirko-esque Spider-Man... :up:

[Themanofbat]

He's still living with May? I thought all the interviews when BND started said that he wouldn't be there for long.

He won't be... I believe he's moving in with Vin next month (or soon thereafter), so he hasn't been living with May all that long.

:yay:

[Hans]

Not if he doesn't have the funds (which it doesn't look like he will).

Yeah, Marcos Martin draws a very Dirko-esque Spider-Man...

Oh God, yes. I wanted more of it.

[Themanofbat]

Not if he doesn't have the funds (which it doesn't look like he will).

I think money problems will be a staplehold in the Spideyverse (as it should be), so while he may have problems coming up with "rent" money, you just know that he will be rooming with Vinnie for a while (the cop who hates Spider-Man... too funny an opportunity to pass up).

:yay:

[spideyboy_1111]

I think money problems will be a staplehold in the Spideyverse (as it should be), so while he may have problems coming up with "rent" money, you just know that he will be rooming with Vinnie for a while (the cop who hates Spider-Man... too funny an opportunity to pass up).

:yay:

an how many times has he been through that sceneario ? :o

Aunt May hated spider-man.....
Gwen hated spider-man....
Jameson hates spider-man.....
the list goes on and on

[fifthfiend]

Yeah, Marcos Martin draws a very Dirko-esque Spider-Man... :up:

Yes, I've always had a fondness for Dirko's Spider-Man.

[TheCorpulent1]

I wondered how many posts would go by before someone ridiculed TMOB for that. Oh, Hype, how well I know thy callous natives...

[Themanofbat]

C'mon... Bill Dirko is one of the best Spidey artists to ever hold a pencil... :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

:csad:

[Themanofbat]

an how many times has he been through that sceneario ? :o

Aunt May hated spider-man.....
Gwen hated spider-man....
Jameson hates spider-man.....
the list goes on and on

And it's always fun everytime... :yay:

[Hans]

It is? I suppose if you like to see the same comcepts rehashed over and over again in lieu of making new ones, it's fun. :whatever:

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't mind when Randy and Peter were roommates and he had that hot neighbor who was always making passes at him.

[Hans]

You mean when Pete was teaching and making a decent living? Yeah, that was nice.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, before that, actually, during the dreaded Mackie days when MJ was "figuring stuff out" in California. The comics weren't all that great, but I didn't have a problem with that fundamental setup: Pete and Randy Robertson living together, neighbor chick hitting on Pete, Pete desperately trying to avoid her because he's still married.

[Hans]

Didn't Paul Jenkins write a Spider-Man book during that era, too? I think I remember some stories with Randy and Pete being drawn by Mark Buckingham, and I believe that he was doing the book with Jenkins. How was Pete making a living then, before the teaching job? I don't remember. Was he just freelancing for the Bugle?

[TheCorpulent1]

I think so. There wasn't much of an emphasis on how he was making money back then. He and Randy lived in pretty squalid conditions, though. I vaguely recall something about a moldy piece of cheese Peter had named because it was the only thing in their fridge for a while.

[Hans]

Haha, awesome! :)

[Kevin]

You want Peter to have MJ or Flash? :huh:
Not what I meant but I could go for Peter and Flash. It'd make SOOOO much sense.

[ragingdemon155]

Dear God, how do you guys stomach Peter doting over his poor, decrepit old aunt again after JMS progressed their relationship so positively? :o

That's the same thing I've been saying.

Peter comes off awfully pathetic, especially after JMS did such a great job of maturing that relationship. Hell, he actually made Aunt May an interesting and useful character.

[Kevin]

Thsi issue did bring up a good idea. Peter should do the crime beat with betty.

[Themanofbat]

It is? I suppose if you like to see the same comcepts rehashed over and over again in lieu of making new ones, it's fun. :whatever:

The thing about "concepts" is that you can bring a different element to the table to make it interesting, be it a play on an old one, or perhaps something new. I have no idea how this Vinnie Roomate thing will play out, but it's pretty presumtuous for people to think "been there/done that" before seeing how it plays out. If everybody had that attitude since the 60's, with the list of Spider-Haters that Pete hangs around with, the comic would have been cancelled by 1972.

Sheesh...

Didn't Paul Jenkins write a Spider-Man book during that era, too? I think I remember some stories with Randy and Pete being drawn by Mark Buckingham, and I believe that he was doing the book with Jenkins. How was Pete making a living then, before the teaching job? I don't remember. Was he just freelancing for the Bugle?

Jenkins started writing PP:SM almost a year before JMS jumped on board on ASM, so he obviously wasn't teaching at that point.

:yay:

[TheCorpulent1]

The thing about "concepts" is that you can bring a different element to the table to make it interesting, be it a play on an old one, or perhaps something new. I have no idea how this Vinnie Roomate thing will play out, but it's pretty presumtuous for people to think "been there/done that" before seeing how it plays out. If everybody had that attitude since the 60's, with the list of Spider-Haters that Pete hangs around with, the comic would have been cancelled by 1972.
Maybe it would've been for the best. :dry:

Nah, I'm just kidding.

Or am I...? :dry: :dry: :dry:

[Hans]

The thing about "concepts" is that you can bring a different element to the table to make it interesting, be it a play on an old one, or perhaps something new. I have no idea how this Vinnie Roomate thing will play out, but it's pretty presumtuous for people to think "been there/done that" before seeing how it plays out. If everybody had that attitude since the 60's, with the list of Spider-Haters that Pete hangs around with, the comic would have been cancelled by 1972.

Sheesh...

It would be presumptuous if BND was just starting out, but we're now 4 months into it. In those four months, ALL I've seen are the same concepts being played out, over and over. There's a new goblin, Harry's back and at odds with Spider-Man while still bumming around with Pete, there's a love triangle, Pete's back to being a loser, he runs out of webbing despite supposedly still having organic web shooters, all of the new villians have some sort of tie to Peter Parker, etc. Been there. Done that. I have absolutely no reason to believe that if/when Pete moves in with Vin, that it will be no different than when Pete lived with anyone else who didn't know his secret. In fact, the only difference is that Vin's a cop. I don't think Pete's lived with a cop yet. But hey, if this somehow adds a new dynamic to a tired concept, good for it. I just don't see it happening.

[mathhater]

After reading the last few pages here, I just want to say how glad I still am for having dropped this book.

(Still the only book I've ever given up on due to story disgust...and now I have more money for DC titles.)

[Anubis]

Too bad there aren't too many good ones anymore. :(

[SenseiofCheese]

That's okay, just buy more copies of the same issues of Blue Beetle.

[mathhater]

Too bad there aren't too many good ones anymore. :(

That may be true, but I'm not as mad at Didio as I am at Quesada, so that's how I fight back, and thereby rest easy at night.

[mathhater]

...and I would totally buy multiple "Blue Beetle" before I picked up one "Spider-Man" right now. And I hate that I feel that way, but I can't help it.

[Blader5489]

Too bad there aren't too many good ones anymore. :(

Yeah. It's downright embarrassing how bad most of the DCU is right now.

Oh well. At least there's still Vertigo...

[Themanofbat]

After reading the last few pages here, I just want to say how glad I still am for having dropped this book.

Instead of reading foolhardy opinions on this board (mine included), why don't you just man up and form an opinion of your own and read the book in the store so you don't have to give your money to Marvel.

At that point, at least you can base your dislike on something conrete as opposed to a bunch of inane & stupid arsed opinions by a bunch of internet losers (myself included).

:yay:

[mathhater]

Instead of reading foolhardy opinions on this board (mine included), why don't you just man up and form an opinion of your own and read the book in the store so you don't have to give your money to Marvel.

At that point, at least you can base your dislike on something conrete as opposed to a bunch of inane & stupid arsed opinions by a bunch of internet losers (myself included).

:yay:

I know I should do that...I really should, but there is more to it than the fact that I HATE the status quo reverting to such a drastic degree. There's also the way in which it was handled creatively...the whole "We don't have to explain it/it's magic" thing...it all just makes me want nothing to do with Spider-Man anymore...even if the current stories are great, I can't stand by and support Marvel, given the way they got there.

[venom892]

above is exactly how I feel.While the Slott/Romita team is very tempting I'll still pass.I'm currently just buying a bunch of back issues for my spidey fix.

[Themanofbat]

I know I should do that...I really should, but there is more to it than the fact that I HATE the status quo reverting to such a drastic degree. There's also the way in which it was handled creatively...the whole "We don't have to explain it/it's magic" thing...it all just makes me want nothing to do with Spider-Man anymore...even if the current stories are great, I can't stand by and support Marvel, given the way they got there.

above is exactly how I feel.While the Slott/Romita team is very tempting I'll still pass.I'm currently just buying a bunch of back issues for my spidey fix.

Marvel has been stated since it all began that explanations will come, and I've given myself til the end of theyear to wait'n see...

The "We don't have to explain it/it's magic" comment came from a conversation between JMS and JQ (and the quote comes from JMS), so if JQ did indeed say it, maybe it was out of frustration with his convo with Joe, but nonetheless, we're being told that explanations will come.

:yay:

[venom892]

If the explanations come and their reasonable I may jump on.If not I will continue my current course of action.

[BrianWilly]

Seriously. Why would you pay Marvel for a story that hasn't even been written yet and might not ever be? This is the same Marvel that said Peter unmasking in front of the world would not be undone as if by magic? Whether Quesada eventually gets around to explaining or not, it's really the height of idiocy to take any promises he makes at face value.

[spideyboy_1111]

The thing about "concepts" is that you can bring a different element to the table to make it interesting, be it a play on an old one, or perhaps something new. I have no idea how this Vinnie Roomate thing will play out, but it's pretty presumtuous for people to think "been there/done that" before seeing how it plays out. If everybody had that attitude since the 60's, with the list of Spider-Haters that Pete hangs around with, the comic would have been cancelled by 1972.

Sheesh...



Jenkins started writing PP:SM almost a year before JMS jumped on board on ASM, so he obviously wasn't teaching at that point.

:yay:

well.... the point i'm trying to make is fairly simple. ive read EVERY issue of brand new day.. and every damn page or panel i can predict whats happening next. it's not fun anymore, theres nothing new in terms of storylines, characters may be new but the outcome is not. It feels very over simplified and i feel like marvel is trying to tell a story to a kid with down syndrome... :o

[kane9321]

Did anyone read the lastest issue? Was that ending telegraphed, or what? Actually, I've noticed that a lot of this current storyarc is ridiciculously predictable. It's obvious that when push comes to shove, Pete's going to turn his back on snapping celebrity shots, thus earning his credibility back AND also the scorn of Bennett. Pete goes back to being a struggling freelancer and Harry and he can be friends again. Yay. :dry:

I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE "PAPER DOLL" OR WHATEVER HER NAME IS, BUT TO MY SURPRISE..HEHE MJ:woot:

Sup with all the hate for the wallcrawler..sheesh guys

I LOVE SPIDEY..FOREVER....

[arachnid-guy]

MJ heh

[SenseiofCheese]

"Miss this issue and you'll miss what all the fans have been begging for since BND began!"


...oh really.

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, I haven't been begging for MJ, I've been begging for Peter not to be a modern-day Dr. Faustus.

And yes, I'm aware that they hung a lantern on that by having MJ read Faustus.

[Raiden]

I know I should do that...I really should, but there is more to it than the fact that I HATE the status quo reverting to such a drastic degree. There's also the way in which it was handled creatively...the whole "We don't have to explain it/it's magic" thing...it all just makes me want nothing to do with Spider-Man anymore...even if the current stories are great, I can't stand by and support Marvel, given the way they got there.

I think this whole BND may go down as the new cloning saga... :down

[SenseiofCheese]

From now on, I believe when a character gets so royally screwed over, it should be referred to as 'pulling an OMD'

[CaptainStacy]

From now on, I believe when a character gets so royally screwed over, it should be referred to as 'pulling an OMD'

Heh. :yay:

[BlackLantern]

From now on, I believe when a character gets so royally screwed over, it should be referred to as 'pulling an OMD'

Wow...how witty....I'm bowled over by how witty you're being right now...I see what you did there...you took 'OMD' and are using it in a totally unique way....I am impressed:dry:

[Miss Webb]

That may be true, but I'm not as mad at Didio as I am at Quesada, so that's how I fight back, and thereby rest easy at night.

EVERYBODY'S mad at Quesada, one way or another.

I dunno, I tried to give the weirdness a shot. But it's like trying to wear one high heel and a sneaker...makes you dizzy. Now if they have Pete develop some interesting relationships (not just villians) I might pick it up again. Maybe.

Anything happen so far with harry's ladyfriend and Pete? Just wondering.

[Darthphere]

EVERYBODY'S mad at Quesada, one way or another.

I'm not.:huh:

[Miss Webb]

I didn't mind when Randy and Peter were roommates and he had that hot neighbor who was always making passes at him.

That was funny. I think there were three girls who lived in an apartment above Pete and they all liked him (In this current continuity that would make five volumes alone).

[Miss Webb]

I'm not.:huh:

My bad, I misread.

[SenseiofCheese]

Wow...how witty....I'm bowled over by how witty you're being right now...I see what you did there...you took 'OMD' and are using it in a totally unique way....I am impressed:dry:

Thank you so much. Your approval means the world to me.

[BlackLantern]

I'm not mad at JQ....had a chance to meet him at a Con once....nice guy

[SenseiofCheese]

I, for one, have nothing against JQ, personally. But whether or not he's a nice guy has no bearing on his work as EIC.

[Darthphere]

In the grand scheme of things, Didio has ****ed over more characters than Quesada.

[SenseiofCheese]

With Countdown and Cassie Cain, that much is obvious.

[Themanofbat]

EVERYBODY'S mad at Quesada, one way or another.

I'm not.:huh:

Nor am I...

:yay:

[TheCorpulent1]

With Countdown and Cassie Cain, that much is obvious.
I do hate DiDio a lot more than Joe Q at the moment.

[BlackLantern]

well to be fair DiDio is at the mercy of Time Warner....they do control the pursestrings at DC

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I'm sure Time Warner told DiDio to make comments about how useless Nightwing is and to butcher Cassandra Cain, Leslie Thompkins, and various other characters beyond all recognition.

[Anubis]

I'm pretty indifferent to both. And Nightwing is useless.

[BlackLantern]

Yeah, I'm sure Time Warner told DiDio to make comments about how useless Nightwing is and to butcher Cassandra Cain, Leslie Thompkins, and various other characters beyond all recognition.

So is a writer/artist/editor supposed to like every single character.....? Do you want him to lie to you...?

[TheCorpulent1]

No, but I'd prefer to not have him **** up the characters he doesn't like. Joe Q doesn't like space stuff, but he's not sticking his grubby fingers in the Annihilation events, ****ing everything up. He realizes there's a market for that stuff and trusts the people who do like it to handle it properly. DiDio doesn't like Nightwing, so he decides they ought to just kill him off in Infinite Crisis. He only changed his mind at the last minute and had them get rid of Superboy instead, due to the legal troubles associated with the name. Not to mention his bad business decisions in general with OYL and Countdown.

[BlackLantern]

but Superboy-Prime is still around....or Superman-Prime...or whatever the crap he calls himself now.....

[Anubis]

Those are two different characters. He's talking about Kon El not douche bag mcgee.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, and they're calling him Superboy Prime again in interviews. I don't know if they're legally able to do so in the comics, but if they can, maybe Kon has a decent shot of coming back after all. Probably not, but I can hope.

[BlackLantern]

Those are two different characters. He's talking about Kon El not douche bag mcgee.

Oh..ok....but I like Douchebag McGee.....

[TheCorpulent1]

I like seeing people punch him in the face. I hope Darkseid eats him in Final Crisis.

[BlackLantern]

I like seeing people punch him in the face. I hope Darkseid eats him in Final Crisis.

Maybe its that...he's this big spoiled brat and I love it when he throws a fit....its made even better when someone shows up and plants their boot in his a$$....yes I'm sure Darkseid won't look kindly upon his shenanigans....

[TheCorpulent1]

Unless he manipulates him and lol's while SBP beats up superheroes.

[Themanofbat]

I'm pretty indifferent to both. And Nightwing is useless.


Your posts are useless... :cmad:

Dick Grayson serves a greater purpose. :up:

:yay:

[TheCorpulent1]

He's the glue of the DC universe, for crying out loud! THE GLUE!

[Blader5489]

DiDio is responsible for the creation of Super*****-Prime, the worst comic book character ever. That and that alone makes DiDio infinitely worse than Quesada.

[Doc Destruction]

Again, no.

SPB is going to be a great villan, whereas OMD will NEVER be good.

JQ is worse by a mile, but I understand what it means to be a Marvel Zombie.

[BlackLantern]

Again, no.

SPB is going to be a great villan, whereas OMD will NEVER be good.

JQ is worse by a mile, but I understand what it means to be a Marvel Zombie.

I really hope so....

[Doc Destruction]

Honestly, his power level mixed with his disdain of the entire multiverse makes for GREAT characterization if they do it right. Just cut the whining...please.

[BlackLantern]

Honestly, his power level mixed with his disdain of the entire multiverse makes for GREAT characterization if they do it right. Just cut the whining...please.

I like how he's rocking the black outfit tho.....

[TheCorpulent1]

Honestly, his power level mixed with his disdain of the entire multiverse makes for GREAT characterization if they do it right. Just cut the whining...please.
That's about as compelling an argument as the Sentry's power level + his craziness = great character. :whatever:

[fifthfiend]

Yeah, and they're calling him Superboy Prime again in interviews. I don't know if they're legally able to do so in the comics, but if they can, maybe Kon has a decent shot of coming back after all. Probably not, but I can hope.

As far as I can tell the recent Superman ruling obviates whatever distinction they were trying to make between Superman and Superboy. The Siegels are found to hold rights in both characters so using one or the other doesn't save DC anything. (I could of course be totally wrong.)

Honestly, his power level mixed with his disdain of the entire multiverse makes for GREAT characterization if they do it right. Just cut the whining...please.

Lots of characters that suck would be great if they cut the suck. Except that SBP isn't even one of those because if you cut out the suck you've eliminated his entire reason for existing.

[TheCorpulent1]

But how does that pertain to an entirely different character using the Superboy name, like Kon?

[fifthfiend]

I was never even sure how Kon was tied to the original lawsuit, but inasmuch as that's a factor the Siegels now, so far as I can figure, have about as much right to the character of Superman as they do to Superboy so there's no reason to try and avoid using the latter while continuing to use the former.

So - and of course I could be totally wrong about this - inasmuch as Kon was being kept dead for legal reasons there's currently no standing reason for them doing so, or at least no standing reason for doing so while continuing to publish comics starring original-recipe, fully grown Superman.

[BlackLantern]

So can the Siegels (rights pending) remove Superman from DC and sell the rights to the highest bidder?

[Doc Destruction]

That's about as compelling an argument as the Sentry's power level + his craziness = great character. :whatever:

Except the Sentry is supposed to be a hero.

A heartless villan with nothing to lose that can push the Earth into the sun is pretty frightening.

[J. J. Jameson]

So can the Siegels (rights pending) remove Superman from DC and sell the rights to the highest bidder?

LOL. Marvel buys Superman and makes the monthly book 22 pages of how he will never fit in with the humans and how he hates how his powers make him different.


I joke, I joke. Marvel > DC.

[BlackLantern]

If I am reading the article right,(http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/business/media/29comics.html?n=Top/News/Business/Companies/Time%20Warner%20Inc.) the Siegel and Shuster families would have full control over Superman (character rights and licenses) as of 2013....Who's to say what they would do if someone made them a good enough offer.....?

[Blader5489]

Again, no.

SPB is going to be a great villan, whereas OMD will NEVER be good.


Super*****-Prime killed the Golden Age Superman. For that, plus the ****load of other things he does and says, he earns my ire.

JQ is worse by a mile, but I understand what it means to be a Marvel Zombie.

Holy ****, what are you, 12? I read plenty of DC and non-Marvel books. If there's anyone playing the zombie here, it's you.

[Themanofbat]

Dick Grayson is going to kick SPB right in the nads...

:yay:

[BlackLantern]

Dick Grayson is going to kick SPB right in the nads...

:yay:

That'd be awesome too....

[BrianWilly]

DiDio is responsible for the creation of Super*****-Prime, the worst comic book character ever.Uh, no he's not. :confused:

[TheCorpulent1]

Except the Sentry is supposed to be a hero.

A heartless villan with nothing to lose that can push the Earth into the sun is pretty frightening.
I guess, if you delude yourself into believing that'd ever be a possibility. Anything involving Earth is pretty lacking in tension, simply because you know Earth is going to survive. I don't go into SBP stories wondering, "Oh man, is he actually gonna destroy Earth this time?" I go into them thinking, "I wonder how they'll beat him and how many far better characters he'll kill or maim this time." :o

[BlackLantern]

I guess, if you delude yourself into believing that'd ever be a possibility. Anything involving Earth is pretty lacking in tension, simply because you know Earth is going to survive. I don't go into SBP stories wondering, "Oh man, is he actually gonna destroy Earth this time?" I go into them thinking, "I wonder how they'll beat him and how many far better characters he'll kill or maim this time." :o

A little maiming is fine.....builds character:oldrazz:

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought it was more useful for character deconstruction. Hiyo! D'ya see what I did there? ;) ;) ;)

[Blader5489]

Uh, no he's not. :confused:

Name me one whose worse.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm pretty sure he meant that DiDio's not responsible for his creation. He was created a long, long time ago, and Johns is responsible for his current characterization.

[BrianWilly]

Yeah that.

And also, Monarch.

[Doc Destruction]

I'm pretty sure he meant that DiDio's not responsible for his creation. He was created a long, long time ago, and Johns is responsible for his current characterization.

Both of these are true.

I just hope he GROWS UP. I'd love to see a mean ass, careless, disdainful Superman. Supes can always use more foes that are an actual challenge for him in a brawl.

[Kitsune]

He's the glue of the DC universe, for crying out loud! THE GLUE!
Have you been sniffing Nightwing again?

[Xofenroht]

Hey, cool, Mary Jane is on the last page of the latest issue.

[BrianWilly]

Reading FAUST.

And explaining about MAGIC.

Just in case we didn't GET IT.

http://forumimages.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-v.gif

[Kitsune]

I was never even sure how Kon was tied to the original lawsuit, but inasmuch as that's a factor the Siegels now, so far as I can figure, have about as much right to the character of Superman as they do to Superboy so there's no reason to try and avoid using the latter while continuing to use the former.

So - and of course I could be totally wrong about this - inasmuch as Kon was being kept dead for legal reasons there's currently no standing reason for them doing so, or at least no standing reason for doing so while continuing to publish comics starring original-recipe, fully grown Superman.
They killed Orignal-Recipe too, in Infinite Rehash... all that left is Extra-Crispy

[Blader5489]

I'm pretty sure he meant that DiDio's not responsible for his creation. He was created a long, long time ago, and Johns is responsible for his current characterization.

Oh, I know Superboy-Prime was created a long time ago, but Super*****-Prime came about during DiDio's reign.

[BrianWilly]

Yeah so did a lot of other villains and characters, doesn't mean that DiDio is personally responsible for each and every. :confused:

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah that.

And also, Monarch.
I hate you so much for reminding me of that.

[Darthphere]

No, but I'd prefer to not have him **** up the characters he doesn't like. Joe Q doesn't like space stuff, but he's not sticking his grubby fingers in the Annihilation events, ****ing everything up. He realizes there's a market for that stuff and trusts the people who do like it to handle it properly. DiDio doesn't like Nightwing, so he decides they ought to just kill him off in Infinite Crisis. He only changed his mind at the last minute and had them get rid of Superboy instead, due to the legal troubles associated with the name. Not to mention his bad business decisions in general with OYL and Countdown.

Actually, Paul Levitz told him to calm the **** down and stop being a ***** about Nightwing.

Again, no.

SPB is going to be a great villan, whereas OMD will NEVER be good.

JQ is worse by a mile, but I understand what it means to be a Marvel Zombie.

How so exactly? Editorial wise, and not "he's an *******" or "he's fat" how is Quesada worse than Didio by a mile? I know what your argument is going to be, so I already have a response in mind.

Yeah so did a lot of other villains and characters, doesn't mean that DiDio is personally responsible for each and every. :confused:

He's Editor in Chief, or whatever they call that position at DC, doesn't that by default make him responsible for every character that appears in DC comics?

[BrianWilly]

I hate you so much for reminding me of that.Well I hate you so much for having nearly ten times my amount of posts. Non-sequitur, yes, but meaningful nonetheless.

It never stopped amazing me to this day how DC just suddenly stopped coming up with motivations for their villains last year. It's like, hey here's our biggest event, and we got our primary antagonist, and then let's just skip the part where we come up with the guy's origin.

[BlackLantern]

^^^Executive Editor....His main function is to keep everyone on schedule....

[BrianWilly]

He's Editor in Chief, or whatever they call that position at DC, doesn't that by default make him responsible for every character that appears in DC comics?Makes no sense to think about it that way. I'm sure there's lots of ideas that DiDio personally handcrafted versus things that he just left to other people to figure out in another room or something, why would we give him equal credit or blame for both?

[Darthphere]

Makes no sense to think about it that way. I'm sure there's lots of ideas that DiDio personally handcrafted versus things that he just left to other people to figure out in another room or something, why would we give him equal credit or blame for both?

Because his position demands it. That's like saying "Why should we blame the EIC of the new York Times for something on the sports page?" Because he's Editor in Chief.:huh:

[BrianWilly]

Well in that case, DiDio is responsible for creating Jaime Reyes, the best character ever.

[Darthphere]

Well in that case, DiDio created Jaime Reyes, the best character ever.

:whatever:

If anything, he gets the credit for allowing Jaime Reyes to exist.

[BrianWilly]

Yes, and it's all thanks to him that books like that and like Checkmate are as good as they have been.

[Darthphere]

Yes, and it's all thanks to him that books like that and like Checkmate are as good as they have been.

You're being facetious but yes, it is. He put the creative teams together, he allowed the pitches to become realities so in essence yes, thanks to him, those books exist.

Sarcasm is duly noted.

[SenseiofCheese]

Edit: Nevermind, Darthphere covered it.

[BrianWilly]

You're being facetious but yes, it is. He put the creative teams together, he allowed the pitches to become realities so in essence yes, thanks to him, those books exist.But that's not what I said. I said that it's thanks to him that those books "are as good as they have been." You're talking like allowing a book to exist is as good as actually being responsible for its quality, and if that's truly the case then we've simply reached a fundamental difference of perception since -- and this should not be some wild bizarre notion -- I simply cannot see how someone allowing other people to write good stories is equatable with having good stories to tell himself. Relatable, perhaps, but not equatable.

To give credit or blame someone for something they did not actually do is insanity, I don't care what his job is. Moreover, it gives a skewed impression of the individual's actual competency. Quesada, for instance, is not equally responsible for Annihilation as he is for OMD. To say that he is gives a ludicrously inaccurate impression of his sensibilities and tastes.

Blader used his negative impression of Superboy-Prime as a slight against DiDio, which simply doesn't make sense because his negative impression of Superboy-Prime is based entirely on what someone else did. Now if we had heard that DiDio himself was responsible for bringing Prime back and creating his characterization, then that would be a different story, but we haven't heard that, so it's not.

[Kitsune]

Because his position demands it. That's like saying "Why should we blame the EIC of the new York Times for something on the sports page?" Because he's Editor in Chief.:huh:
Exactly, you shouldn't blame the EIC for a typo on page 24, but if you have pattern of typos, or say a lot of fiction be placed in the news section (Like the New York Times does) then the heads should be rolling. An EiC does have responsibility for long term trends in the publications. We know Joe Q is directly responsible for OMD though.

[Spare-Flair]

I just realize how funny it is that you hear all these stories about people cancelling Spider-Man from their files or entire comic book shops nolonger ordering it to protest ...Spider-Man in trouble, JQ in trouble, etc. because of OMD/BND...

And yet Amazing Spider-Man issues are ranked #8, #14, #16 in total comics sold in April and it even comes out 3 times a month!

http://www.newsarama.com/marketreport/April08sales.html

If you combine the sales of all 3 issues released that month, ASM is ranked #2, just totalling a little bit below total sales of Secret Invasion.

[javi1024]

because even though we had to suffer through OMD to get to where we are now, the Spider-Man books are just straight up fun and enjoyable and people (like me) anxiously wait for them each week.

[Spare-Flair]

because even though we had to suffer through OMD to get to where we are now, the Spider-Man books are just straight up fun and enjoyable and people (like me) anxiously wait for them each week.

Agreed, it's just more fun now with more mystery (you don't know what has changed in the universe) and waaayyy less baggage.

Frankly, I stopped enjoying ASM even before OMD, it was just getting too cluttered with strange things (him evolving, the gimmick Iron Spider, and the lame fugitive Spider and his grandma living in a motel). The only high in those issues was him facing down Kingpin but that probably didn't even happen anymore).

[Docker2.0]

Anyone like any of the new Spidey villians? I actually like Mr. Negative and I really like Paperdoll, though I think her power is kind of stupid. I also don't like how villilans just disappear and you don't hear anything from them again. Mr. Negative being one of them. He just fell off the map. :huh:

[Kitsune]

Agreed, it's just more fun now with more mystery (you don't know what has changed in the universe) and waaayyy less baggage.

Frankly, I stopped enjoying ASM even before OMD, it was just getting too cluttered with strange things (him evolving, the gimmick Iron Spider, and the lame fugitive Spider and his grandma living in a motel). The only high in those issues was him facing down Kingpin but that probably didn't even happen anymore).

Aunt May is actually his aunt you know. Mystery is only good if you care about it. Is MJ Jackpot, who cares... it's lame like those old Lois Lane comic where she'd get powers every other issue. I still can't believe someone who tries to pass a Spiderfan would refer to Aunt may as his grandmother.

[BlackLantern]

I did like Mr. Negative....he may pop up again

[fifthfiend]

Both of these are true.

I just hope he GROWS UP. I'd love to see a mean ass, careless, disdainful Superman. Supes can always use more foes that are an actual challenge for him in a brawl.

If he ever grew up he'd realize his entire reason for villainy was a huge adolescent douche-fit and then kill himself.

Also there's already a mean-ass, careless, disdainful Superman; he's called Lobo.

[BlackLantern]

He is kind of growing up and in Final Crisis it looks like he might be leading some other villains

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Frankly, I stopped enjoying ASM even before OMD, it was just getting too cluttered with strange things (him evolving, the gimmick Iron Spider, and the lame fugitive Spider and his grandma living in a motel). The only high in those issues was him facing down Kingpin but that probably didn't even happen anymore).

Grandma??????????:pal::pal::pal::pal::pal::pal::pa l:

[Kitsune]

I did like Mr. Negative....he may pop up again

Oh you mean the character. For a minute I thought you were referring to me as Mr. Negative because I don't like OMD, because, as you know, the world revolves around me :D

[BrianWilly]

Exactly, you shouldn't blame the EIC for a typo on page 24, but if you have pattern of typos, or say a lot of fiction be placed in the news section (Like the New York Times does) then the heads should be rolling. An EiC does have responsibility for long term trends in the publications.Which would be a completely valid point if we were a bunch of WB market execs discussing DiDio's long term EiC trends. But we weren't; we were discussing a single character whose connection to DiDio is peripheral at best. To blame DiDio for the character's faults is just inaccurate no matter how one wordplays it.

I mean, who actually thinks like that? "Y'know guys, I really hated the character Sabina that Winick created and wrote for his Trials of Shazam book. Damn that Dan DiDio for being the EiC of that character! I can't believe what he actually did that!"

Or, "Hey I really liked Alkyone, a character introduced by Simone in her Wonder Woman book. Good job Dan DiDio, for EiCing her so well! Much kudos!"

I mean, here's a crazy idea, why not credit or blame people who actually wrote the character? And, yeah I know I'm just being wacky now, but why not cite things that we know are DiDio's own creative input if we're going to discuss his creative input? Shouldn't we base our judgment of the guy on what we know he does as opposed to what we don't know he does?

[fifthfiend]

Which would be a completely valid point if we were a bunch of WB market execs discussing DiDio's long term EiC trends. But we weren't; we were discussing a single character whose connection to DiDio is peripheral at best. To blame DiDio for the character's faults is just inaccurate no matter how one wordplays it.

I mean, who actually thinks like that? "Y'know guys, I really hated the character Sabina that Winick created and wrote for his Trials of Shazam book. Damn that Dan DiDio for being the EiC of that character! I can't believe what he actually did that!"

Or, "Hey I really liked Alkyone, a character introduced by Simone in her Wonder Woman book. Good job Dan DiDio, for EiCing her so well! Much kudos!"

I mean, here's a crazy idea, why not credit or blame people who actually wrote the character? And, yeah I know I'm just being wacky now, but why not cite things that we know are DiDio's own creative input if we're going to discuss his creative input? Shouldn't we base our judgment of the guy on what we know he does as opposed to what we don't know he does?

If Didio only wants to be responsible for what he personally does then he shouldn't be in a job where he's, you know, responsible for what other people do.

If Geoff Johns makes a ****ty creative decision and Dan Didio lets him do it, then Dan Didio is in fact responsible, because Dan Didio's job is to make sure that his writers make good creative decisions and not ****ty ones.

And no that doesn't necessarily apply to every single minor character of minimal consequence in every single book, which is why nobody was saying anything about minor characters with minimal consequences. What people were actually talking about is the central, definitive character in DC's biggest crossover event of the last ten years which has had ongoing ramifications and consequences across its entire line of comics. I mean I'm not sure what you think an EiC's job is, if not to ensure the creative quality of DC's biggest crossover event of the last ten years which has had ongoing ramifications and consequences across its entire line of comics.

Does he get Geoff Johns' coffee, I mean, what?

[BlackLantern]

what you just described is micro management....DiDios' main function is to make sure everyone stays on schedule....but I don't think he is going to storm into a writers' office and demand that this and that happen....

[Texas]

Which would be a completely valid point if we were a bunch of WB market execs discussing DiDio's long term EiC trends. But we weren't; we were discussing a single character whose connection to DiDio is peripheral at best. To blame DiDio for the character's faults is just inaccurate no matter how one wordplays it.

I mean, who actually thinks like that? "Y'know guys, I really hated the character Sabina that Winick created and wrote for his Trials of Shazam book. Damn that Dan DiDio for being the EiC of that character! I can't believe what he actually did that!"

Or, "Hey I really liked Alkyone, a character introduced by Simone in her Wonder Woman book. Good job Dan DiDio, for EiCing her so well! Much kudos!"

I mean, here's a crazy idea, why not credit or blame people who actually wrote the character? And, yeah I know I'm just being wacky now, but why not cite things that we know are DiDio's own creative input if we're going to discuss his creative input? Shouldn't we base our judgment of the guy on what we know he does as opposed to what we don't know he does?

Ok I'm confused, I thought this was a Spider-Man forum

[fifthfiend]

Of course it is. Where else would you expect us to talk about DC editorial policy?

[BrianWilly]

If Didio only wants to be responsible for what he personally does then he shouldn't be in a job where he's, you know, responsible for what other people do.

If Geoff Johns makes a ****ty creative decision and Dan Didio lets him do it, then Dan Didio is in fact responsible, because Dan Didio's job is to make sure that his writers make good creative decisions and not ****ty ones.But it's not the creative decision in question here, it's the implementation of that creative decision. Bringing Superboy-Prime back and making him a villain in and of itself doesn't make you dislike the character. How the character comes across in the telling of that story would make you dislike the character. Moreover, we all know that something can be an incredibly interesting story idea and yet fall apart under bad writing, which in itself is open to extreme personal opinion. The mere approval of an idea is not the end-all-be-all of a story, I mean come on, we all know this.

And that's the thing; you don't know. Other than things that he has himself discussed, you have absolutely no idea what DiDio's involvement in one story over the other is. Again I realize that I'm just throwing out wacky cuckolded ideas here, but in a discussion about DiDio's creative input, I would cite DiDio's own creative input, such as the case of Stephanie Brown or Nightwing or Bart Allen. What other criterion is there? You are literally telling me to judge DiDio's input in a story despite not knowing what the heck he did for it other than approving it which, again, is of limited significance. And Darthphere is telling me to judge DiDio's input based on every single inch of material that this company produces...which is simply impossible, not only for him as a single man to actually, personally be able to go over much less micromanage everything DC prints, but also for us to actually determine his effectiveness on such a broad, ill-defined spectrum.

And no that doesn't necessarily apply to every single minor character of minimal consequence in every single book, which is why nobody was saying anything about minor characters with minimal consequences. What people were actually talking about is the central, definitive character in DC's biggest crossover event of the last ten years which has had ongoing ramifications and consequences across its entire line of comics. I mean I'm not sure what you think an EiC's job is, if not to ensure the creative quality of DC's biggest crossover event of the last ten years which has had ongoing ramifications and consequences across its entire line of comics.

Does he get Geoff Johns' coffee, I mean, what?
By your definition, there's absolutely no difference between writing a story versus editing a story. And there obviously is, they are two different jobs. Treating an editor like the writer of a story and of its characters is a laughably flawed way to measure the work in question, especially -- again -- if we don't actually know the extent of his involvement in the story! Of course DiDio is where the buck ultimately stops in this production, but unless you're going to tell me that DiDio actually sat down and penned Prime's dialogue and dictated his scenes and told Johns exactly what he wanted his character to be, his association with that character is finite, I mean there's just no other way to say it. And there's just no way you would point him out as some sort of chief suspect in creating a bad character like Blader did.

For all those soon to ***** that we're so off-topic, look at One More Day! Editorially-mandated all to hell, nearly every consequence and story point dictated to JMS by Quesada, and blatantly so. And yet even the most feverish detractors of the story -- of which I am proudly one -- would concede that, huh, the writing itself wasn't actually that bad. JMS actually managed to wring a lot of emotion and pathos out of a hopeless editorial trainwreck. The difference, then, between what an EiC might bring to the table in a nightmare scenario of editorial ironmongering, versus what a writer brings to the table in spite of those circumstances.

You can blame the editors all you want for the editorial blunders -- and take a good look at the Flash title over the last two years or the Countdown tie-ins for a great view of what exactly happens when the editor is jerking off in his chair instead of actually doing his job -- but there's only so far you can take his culpability for actual story work. And that's what it is, you're talking about what is actual culpability and treating it like so when what it is is negligence...at best.

[Doc Destruction]

If he ever grew up he'd realize his entire reason for villainy was a huge adolescent douche-fit and then kill himself.

Also there's already a mean-ass, careless, disdainful Superman; he's called Lobo.

Pre-crisis level Superman would smoke Lobo, and I'm a huge Lobo fan.

And he already realizes his reason for villainy. He HATES every universe but his own, and his is gone.

[Themanofbat]

Spider-Man, Spider-Man... does whatever a spider can...

:yay:

[iloveclones]

Are you referring to the Spdier-Man who was drawn by Steve Dirko or John Rominto?

I'm sorry, I really couldn't help myself....

[Kitsune]

Spider-Man, Spdier-Man... does whatever a spider can...

:yay:

Spins a web... any size... catches crooks... just like flies.... look out.... here comes the Spider-Man <done in best imitation of William Shatner>

[Doc Destruction]

Are you referring to the Spdier-Man who was drawn by Steve Dirko or John Rominto?

I'm sorry, I really couldn't help myself....

That was damn funny man :)

[BlackLantern]

william shatner should play Spider-Man in the next film....

[Themanofbat]

Are you referring to the Spdier-Man who was drawn by Steve Dirko or John Rominto?

I'm sorry, I really couldn't help myself....

:cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

It was Bill Dirko dammit!!! :cmad:

:csad:

[iloveclones]

That was damn funny man :)

[George Costanza] See you tomorrow, ladies and gentlemen..[/George Costanza]

[TheCorpulent1]

Pre-crisis level Superman would smoke Lobo, and I'm a huge Lobo fan.

And he already realizes his reason for villainy. He HATES every universe but his own, and his is gone.
More specifically, he's jealous of the fact that all these other universes get to exist while his has been utterly wiped out and forgotten. He's like a Hal or Barry fan from five years ago, basically. ;)

[J. J. Jameson]

Spins a web... any size... catches crooks... just like flies.... look out.... here comes the Spider-Man <done in best imitation of William Shatner>

It's thieves, dude. :csad:

[farmernudie]

Is it creeks or criks?

[iloveclones]

Here in the 'burgh, it's cricks and Stillers!

[arachnid-guy]

Okay guys, I've had many Snakebites to mull it over...and i think...i have come to the descisiopn thaytt Joe Q is a cock for changing the status...

god...such a cock.



i am VBERy drinkl right niow maybe you cant undderrstand what im saying but forgert theat....

haha
my spelling is atrocious...man i even spekt that! :O

yes drunken me = getting off with drunken girls and posting THAT ABOVE STATEMENT joyyyyy

...aherm

[fifthfiend]

Pre-crisis level Superman would smoke Lobo, and I'm a huge Lobo fan.

And he already realizes his reason for villainy. He HATES every universe but his own, and his is gone.

Exactly. It's an inherently whiny, douchey-ass reason for villainy.

[BlackLantern]

Exactly. It's an inherently whiny, douchey-ass reason for villainy.

It's a gray area....all these other universes/Earths' get to keep existing and his is the one that gets wiped out.......I'd be pissed about it......my understanding of Prime is that if he can't have a home, than everyone else who does is going to be miserable.....

[TheCorpulent1]

Which is whiny and douchey. I don't see what you're arguing here. It's empathetic, sure--I mean, we can all put ourselves in SBP's shoes because we were all selfish ten-year-olds at some point. It doesn't make him a good character, though.

[BlackLantern]

Which is whiny and douchey. I don't see what you're arguing here. It's empathetic, sure--I mean, we can all put ourselves in SBP's shoes because we were all selfish ten-year-olds at some point. It doesn't make him a good character, though.

and that is entirely your opinion....

[SpideyInATree]

Ok I'm confused, I thought this was a Spider-Man forum


Well, not a Spider-Man forum. But a Spider-Man thread. In A Marvel Comics forum. But they are talking about DC...and Dan DiDio...

Ok, am I in the right forum too? :huh:

[Texas]

Who knows ? :woot:

I just read the Brand New Day vol. 1 MPE and gotta say I liked it a lot. Now, I just came back into comics about 1 1/2 years ago (gone for over 35 years) so I didn't really care about or know about Pete's marriage. For me it was a good jumping on point....

[SpideyInATree]

Wow, out of comics for 35 years? Whew! You certainly missed a lot!! But if you haven't been reading Spidey comics for 35 years then this is indeed the perfect jumping on point for you.

I'm really impressed with how the whole Brand New Day has been handled. I thought it would start strong and then fizzle out but so far it's just gotten stronger in the creative teams and the storyline. I haven't enjoyed Spidey comics like this in a really long time. The beginning of JMS' run was really awesome too but then after Book of Ezekiel it got really stale and horrid. But this is great stuff and I can't wait for the Slott/Romita Jr. team up in August that is going to rock my socks off!

[javi1024]

i cant wait for romita's return. he always been on of my favorite spider-man artists. and im curious about this whole Anti-Venom thing.

[Doc Destruction]

WW Philly 2008 convention - Marvel panel:

The next question: When are you changing Spider-Man back?

"Back to what?" Quesada replied.

"Back to when it was good."


BWAHAHA! Awesome. I wish I had been there.

http://www.newsarama.com/Philly08/Marvel/mondo.html

[moraldeficiency]

WW Philly 2008 convention - Marvel panel:

The next question: When are you changing Spider-Man back?

"Back to what?" Quesada replied.

"Back to when it was good."


BWAHAHA! Awesome. I wish I had been there.

http://www.newsarama.com/Philly08/Marvel/mondo.html

Best question ever.

[Doc Destruction]

BTW Slott comes off very cool in that panel. I wish he was on the damn book pre-OMD.

[BlackLantern]

WW Philly 2008 convention - Marvel panel:

The next question: When are you changing Spider-Man back?

"Back to what?" Quesada replied.

"Back to when it was good."


BWAHAHA! Awesome. I wish I had been there.

http://www.newsarama.com/Philly08/Marvel/mondo.html

At that point, If I was Quesada...I would have had that little turd booted out of the Con for causing a disturbance....:oldrazz:

[TheCorpulent1]

Only he didn't cause a disturbance. He put a face on what a lot of the fan community still feels. No harm there. I mean, he didn't call Joe Q names or anything, he was just a little snarky. Joe Q knows how much OMD rankled some fans, so I'm sure he braces himself for that kind of thing anytime he interacts with them.

[Hans]

I read something about how Quesada commented on how using Mephisto might have been the best option, but that there was no easy way to dissolve the marriage. Maybe in the next few years, we'll have him openly apologizing to fans. Baby steps. :)

[BlackLantern]

I read something about how Quesada commented on how using Mephisto might have been the best option, but that there was no easy way to dissolve the marriage. Maybe in the next few years, we'll have him openly apologizing to fans. Baby steps. :)

For what? He made an unpopular decision....he didn't do anything wrong....

[Hans]

For what? He made an unpopular decision....he didn't do anything wrong....

Well, in a lot of people's minds, he made the wrong decision. Usually if someone realizes they've done something wrong, they apologize.

I was making a joke, anyway.

[BlackLantern]

Only he didn't cause a disturbance

Doesn't matter....people need to learn respect


He put a face on what a lot of the fan community still feels.

correction...SOME...

[Hans]

Doesn't matter....people need to learn respect

Are people not allowed to express their feelings? That's basically what those open Q&A's are for. :huh:

[Doc Destruction]

Doesn't matter....people need to learn respect

The irony here is crushingly painful. When Joey starts respecting us, we can start respecting him.

[Doc Destruction]

correction...SOME...

And no...it's ALOT.

[Hans]

The irony here is crushingly painful. When Joey starts respecting us, we can start respecting him.

I still don't see how that person was disrespectful. How is commenting that you prefer Spider-Man pre-OMD disrespectful? It's not like he called Quesada an ******* or anything.

[fifthfiend]

WTF is all this about Spider-Man? This is a Superboy Prime thread, goddammit!

[BlackLantern]

You guys are acting like Quesada walked into your house and punched your mom in the face......I happen to like it, but if things go back to pre-OMD, I won't bring down the heavens because of it....

[BlackLantern]

I still don't see how that person was disrespectful. How is commenting that you prefer Spider-Man pre-OMD disrespectful? It's not like he called Quesada an ******* or anything.

I'm just being indignant today...:oldrazz:

[Hans]

You guys are acting like Quesada walked into your house and punched your mom in the face......I happen to like it, but if things go back to pre-OMD, I won't bring down the heavens because of it....

Huh? :huh:

[venom892]

You guys are acting like Quesada walked into your house and punched your mom in the face..t\.I'll never forgive him for that.:cmad:My Mom's face is still hurting!

[fifthfiend]

You guys are acting like Quesada walked into your house and punched your mom in the face......I happen to like it

You like it when Quesada punches your mom in the face?

[BrianWilly]

People make those sorts of comments all the times at 'cons. Fans always make their decisions heard, positive or negative, and the creators are there to deal with it. That's what it's for. I've heard much ruder comments before. I've made much ruder comments before.

[TheCorpulent1]

Can you imagine the kind of violent bloodbaths cons would turn into if people had the balls to say half of the stuff they do online straight to the creators' faces?

[BlackLantern]

Can you imagine the kind of violent bloodbaths cons would turn into if people had the balls to say half of the stuff they do online straight to the creators' faces?

It could be awesome and frightening all at the same time....I personally want to see some pasty, bespectacled, troglodyte going on a diatribe about why OMD or whatever sucks, raping of childhoods, and all that while spraying spittle all over the microphone and having to stop for a breath every third or fourth sentence.....

[TheCorpulent1]

Why'd you have to make it into a fat thing? There are plenty of perfectly reasonable, decent comic fans who happen to be overweight, goddamnit. :o

[BlackLantern]

I don't believe I made it into a fat thing.....Pasty does not equal fat....

[TheCorpulent1]

"Stopping for breath every third or fourth sentence"? Anyway, it was just a bad joke.

[BlackLantern]

I've seen plenty of out of shape people (not fat mind you, just out of shape) that go into fanboy rants and have to stop for breath.....but it would be pretty sweet to someone have to get yanked out of a room or something screaming "BRING BACK MJ"

[TheCorpulent1]

That would be pretty hilarious.

[fifthfiend]

some pasty, bespectacled, troglodyte going on a diatribe about why OMD or whatever sucks

But why would Brian Bendis be saying those things?:o

[Doc Destruction]

Can you imagine the kind of violent bloodbaths cons would turn into if people had the balls to say half of the stuff they do online straight to the creators' faces?

I would do it in a heartbeat. I have to famous musicians, so why not?

[Darthphere]

I would do it in a heartbeat. I have to famous musicians, so why not?

I'll give you $100 if you go to a con, with a video camera and film you saying everything you feel about Bendis and/or Joe Quesada to their faces. Straight up, I will fork over the cash if you do that.

[Eros]

I'll give you $100 if you go to a con, with a video camera and film you saying everything you feel about Bendis and/or Joe Quesada to their faces. Straight up, I will fork over the cash if you do that.


why don't you go to con and do it Mr Big shot, put your penis where your mouth is and all that ****.

[Doc Destruction]

I'll give you $100 if you go to a con, with a video camera and film you saying everything you feel about Bendis and/or Joe Quesada to their faces. Straight up, I will fork over the cash if you do that.

I can probably do you one better, since my LCS' owner is friends with Bendis. I'll find out when he's in town next time.

Hey man, when you suck, you suck. If you can't handle critiques then too f'in bad. I get critiqued on my music all the time and it never phases me.

[Darthphere]

why don't you go to con and do it Mr Big shot, put your penis where your mouth is and all that ****.

What the **** are you on about? I'm challenging someone talking **** about being Mr. Badass I'll say it to their face to put their money where their mouth is. I have no quarrel with Bendis or Joey Q, why would I ***** them out. The fact is, most people talk big games here, but even Dread would be cordial to Bendis if he ever met him.

Reading comprehension FTW! Learn to love it Eros.

I can probably do you one better, since my LCS' owner is friends with Bendis. I'll find out when he's in town next time.

Hey man, when you suck, you suck. If you can't handle critiques then too f'in bad. I get critiqued on my music all the time and it never phases me.

The offer stands, I really want to see if you're a man of your word here and not just some other internet fanboy talking massive amounts of ****.

[Eros]

What the **** are you on about? I'm challenging someone talking **** about being Mr. Badass I'll say it to their face to put their money where their mouth is. I have no quarrel with Bendis or Joey Q, why would I ***** them out. The fact is, most people talk big games here, but even Dread would be cordial to Bendis if he ever met him.

Reading comprehension FTW! Learn to love it Eros.



The offer stands, I really want to see if you're a man of your word here and not just some other internet fanboy talking massive amounts of ****.

BRING IT ON!:cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd avoid talking to Bendis or Joe Q. That's what I did at the one con I saw Joe Q at. I listened to his panel but refrained from saying anything because I didn't want to come off like a red-eyed fanboy. I avoided Ethan Van Sciver and some other people too. Avoiding confrontation is the way to go 110% of the time for me. :)

Unrelated to all that, I think I scared Mike Oeming and George Perez with my geekiness. I said Perez was the quintessential Titans artist and he just laughed.

[Eros]

I'd avoid talking to Bendis or Joe Q. That's what I did at the one con I saw Joe Q at. I listened to his panel but refrained from saying anything because I didn't want to come off like a red-eyed fanboy. I avoided Ethan Van Sciver and some other people too. Avoiding confrontation is the way to go 110% of the time for me. :)

Unrelated to all that, I think I scared Mike Oeming and George Perez with my geekiness. I said Perez was the quintessential Titans artist and he just laughed.

He Probably gets that all the time cub.

[TheCorpulent1]

Did you just call me "cub," Papa Bear? :huh:

[Eros]

Did you just call me "cub," Papa Bear? :huh:

Cub is what Adam Munroe nicknamed Hiro on the show Heroes.

[TheCorpulent1]

"Papa Bear" is what Kit nicknamed Baloo on TaleSpin. :up:

[Eros]

"Papa Bear" is what Kit nicknamed Baloo on TaleSpin. :up:

Interesting.

[Blader5489]

Why'd you have to make it into a fat thing? There are plenty of perfectly reasonable, decent comic fans who happen to be overweight, goddamnit. :o

No there aren't.

[Doc Destruction]

The offer stands, I really want to see if you're a man of your word here and not just some other internet fanboy talking massive amounts of ****.

Deal it is then...I'll see what I can do.

I wish Cleveland had freaking cons. That would make this so much easier.:csad:

[Darthphere]

Deal it is then...I'll see what I can do.

I wish Cleveland had freaking cons. That would make this so much easier.:csad:

I'm surprised actually that they don't. Considering the rich history it has in comic books and the massive amount of creators from that area.

[Eros]

Deal it is then...I'll see what I can do.

I wish Cleveland had freaking cons. That would make this so much easier.:csad:


You are the center of the wheel.