The Amazing Spider-Man

[TheCorpulent1]

Do they at least have Drew Carey conventions?

[spideyboy_1111]

there's conventions in cleveland.. just not big ones *yawn* read a wizard magazine, i've seen cleveland listed in the back under the convention listing before.

[BlackLantern]

why would anything important be held in Cleveland anyway??......

[Doc Destruction]

Ummm, Cleveland is the home of Superman and Rock and Roll among a lot of other things.

Tons of celebs and famous artistic types come from here.

[TheCorpulent1]

What qualifies Cleveland as the home of rock and roll? I'm not disputing it, I've just never heard that before.

[Ion Kenshin]

Cub is what Adam Munroe nicknamed Hiro on the show Heroes.
It's actually "carp"...although the accent does make it sounds like cub a bit

[spideyboy_1111]

What qualifies Cleveland as the home of rock and roll? I'm not disputing it, I've just never heard that before.

well it has the rock and roll hall of fame...

[fifthfiend]

"Papa Bear" is what Kit nicknamed Baloo on TaleSpin. :up:

HA HA HA HA HA, SPIN IT!

:o

[fifthfiend]

well it has the rock and roll hall of fame...

Commemorating all the great and groundbreaking and history-making rock acts that came out of Cleveland like !!

[TheCorpulent1]

HA HA HA HA HA, SPIN IT!

:o
That show was the pinnacle of animation.

[fifthfiend]

If it's wrong to dream of battling sky pirates while hanging by a tether from the back of a cargo jet and riding on an air surfboard using tropical fruits and consumer goods as my ammunition then I don't want to be right.

[TheCorpulent1]

For real. You just can't beat sky pirates. They're ****in' pirates... in the sky. :wow: :wow: :wow:

[fifthfiend]

You just can't beat sky pirates.

You can if you're a 12-year-old bear cub with an air surfboard.:up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Touché, sir. Kit was my model of ideal coolness growing up. I would've sold my soul for a retractable silver surfboard.

[BlackLantern]

Ummm, Cleveland is the home of Superman and Rock and Roll among a lot of other things.

Tons of celebs and famous artistic types come from here.

yes they leave and run away to hollywood or NY......

[BlackLantern]

Touché, sir. Kit was my model of ideal coolness growing up. I would've sold my soul for a retractable silver surfboard.

you're just a Disney whore is all....I always liked Sher Khan...he was a snappy dresser and had a sick office...

[spideyboy_1111]

yes they leave and run away to hollywood or NY......

thats what all of us artists do in ohio... lol

[TheCorpulent1]

you're just a Disney whore is all....I always liked Sher Khan...he was a snappy dresser and had a sick office...
He was pretty cool in TaleSpin. He was like the Lex Luthor of Cape Suzette. :)

[Doc Destruction]

yes they leave and run away to hollywood or NY......

So, they cultivate their art here and go to bigger markets. And what exactly is wrong with that?

Corp, the term Rock and Roll was created here by a famous DJ. That's why the hall is here.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, okay. That's a cool little factoid.

[Themanofbat]

Man, there were lots of COOL radio DJ's from Cleveland in the 50's that would dress up in scary monster costumes and make appearances on local tv spots and appear at supermarkets and stuff... and they'd make the kids freak out and freak out the parents. :word:

:csad:

[lucasn]

I'm kind of upset. I guess Marcos Martin is not everyone's cup o tea.... I really was not impressed. actually, I was kind of peeved! I really loved McNiven, jimenez , and many other spidey artists, but not Martin. I thought it did no justice at all to spidey. Oh well- hopefully the book will pick up because I've been buying it for ove 15 years and am for the first time ready to give it up. Quality over quantity!!!! please!!! MArcos MArtin may have been suitable for Strange, but not Spider-man!:bh:

[Darthphere]

I'm kind of upset. I guess Marcos Martin is not everyone's cup o tea.... I really was not impressed. actually, I was kind of peeved! I really loved McNiven, jimenez , and many other spidey artists, but not Martin. I thought it did no justice at all to spidey. Oh well- hopefully the book will pick up because I've been buying it for ove 15 years and am for the first time ready to give it up. Quality over quantity!!!! please!!! MArcos MArtin may have been suitable for Strange, but not Spider-man!:bh:

Wow, way to make a first impression with your first post there. :up:

[BrianWilly]

JMS thought I was being rude to him once, but I really wasn't. :O

[fifthfiend]

You were a total dick to him, you just didn't notice cause it wasn't any different from your usual brand of jerkass.

He was pretty cool in TaleSpin. He was like the Lex Luthor of Cape Suzette. :)

Fact.:up:

My ranking goes like

1. Kit

2. Shere Khan

3. Balloo

4. Don Karnage

5. Louie

6. Everybody else including nameless bit characters

Dead ****in' Last. Rebecca

****in' goddamn Rebecca.

[BrianWilly]

I tend to forget that I'm not actually that eloquent or evocative in real life and really more of a puffy Asian with a lisp, so when I meant to say "Could you explain your narrative thoughts and creative conceptions behind such a fundamental change as Loki's gender, and how it worked out in the final processes?" it came out more like "Tho, uh, why the heck ith Loki a girl now?"

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, what sounds reasonable on message boards or in your head doesn't ever seem to work in real life.
You were a total dick to him, you just didn't notice cause it wasn't any different from your usual brand of jerkass.



Fact.:up:

My ranking goes like

1. Kit

2. Shere Khan

3. Balloo

4. Don Karnage

5. Louie

6. Everybody else including nameless bit characters

Dead ****in' Last. Rebecca

****in' goddamn Rebecca.
I think I may have hated Rebecca's daughter more than Rebecca. But Rebecca did suck. My list went more like:

1. Baloo
2. Louie
3. Don Karnage
4. Shere Khan
5. Kit

[Guyverjay]

That show was the pinnacle of animation.

Only if it was the only cartoon you ever watched

[lucasn]

Wow, way to make a first impression with your first post there. :up:
Are you seriously being sarcastic? Am I not supposed to be a bit critical? I actually posted on Marvel, but found them so stifling that they removed any critiques! My first post, yeah- but I'll post many more about anything to make my favorite book worth buying again. Life is not bubble gum and rainbows, so critiques do come when deserved. there may be many Martin fans here, but there are also haters. A hater I am not, but I do not think his work suits Spidey. My opinion. Or should I praise what I dislike? So, yeah- If sarcasm was meant, then don't give me this 'newbie' crap. I've been posting blogs and reading comics for MANY years. thanks.

[moraldeficiency]

Are you seriously being sarcastic? Am I not supposed to be a bit critical? I actually posted on Marvel, but found them so stifling that they removed any critiques! My first post, yeah- but I'll post many more about anything to make my favorite book worth buying again. Life is not bubble gum and rainbows, so critiques do come when deserved. there may be many Martin fans here, but there are also haters. A hater I am not, but I do not think his work suits Spidey. My opinion. Or should I praise what I dislike? So, yeah- If sarcasm was meant, then don't give me this 'newbie' crap. I've been posting blogs and reading comics for MANY years. thanks.

Hey, new and contencious right off the bat, you'll go far....

[Doc Destruction]

Are you seriously being sarcastic? Am I not supposed to be a bit critical? I actually posted on Marvel, but found them so stifling that they removed any critiques! My first post, yeah- but I'll post many more about anything to make my favorite book worth buying again. Life is not bubble gum and rainbows, so critiques do come when deserved. there may be many Martin fans here, but there are also haters. A hater I am not, but I do not think his work suits Spidey. My opinion. Or should I praise what I dislike? So, yeah- If sarcasm was meant, then don't give me this 'newbie' crap. I've been posting blogs and reading comics for MANY years. thanks.

Actually, and I know this is rare and all, that was Darth being nice I think.

[lucasn]

I'm not sure whether or not Darth was being nice. I'm just a little defensive after being removed from Marvel's blog. I've never said anything offensive- maybe a little opposing, but isn't that what blogs are for? or should we all discuss how great Martin is? anyways- I can't wait to see how many 'thumbs up newbie- you'll go far' sarcastic posts. pretty juvenile. disagree with me- tell me why Marcos Martin's art is so great. Don't rip me for being a 'newb' because I've been in this world too long for that.:grin:

[BlackLantern]

well it is Marvels' blog.....rational thinking would indicate that they would want to hear what people have to say, but I guess criticism is best in small doses....Maybe you were past their negative comment quota for the day....

[lucasn]

well it is Marvels' blog.....rational thinking would indicate that they would want to hear what people have to say, but I guess criticism is best in small doses....Maybe you were past their negative comment quota for the day....
possibly, lantern. I've never said anything critical about the artwork before, even when it was a bit shady. I only posted once and it was removed- then I posted a follow-up apology and it was removed. so..yeah - they definitely are using blogs to sell books. It takes all kinds, right?

[BlackLantern]

I tend to steer clear of any company run board or blog....you are never going to get unfiltered opinions of any kind....It's a little more free-wheeling here as the Hype really isn't beholden to any particular brand

[fifthfiend]

I'm not sure whether or not Darth was being nice. I'm just a little defensive after being removed from Marvel's blog. I've never said anything offensive- maybe a little opposing, but isn't that what blogs are for? or should we all discuss how great Martin is? anyways- I can't wait to see how many 'thumbs up newbie- you'll go far' sarcastic posts. pretty juvenile. disagree with me- tell me why Marcos Martin's art is so great. Don't rip me for being a 'newb' because I've been in this world too long for that.:grin:

Pfft, don't be bringing that wack-ass Marvel Forum **** up in here like it mean something. You're on the Hype now, son, you don't even know how we do.

[lucasn]

that's pretty funny fiend. is fifth your grade? let's see how we roll, yo.:hehe:

[BlackLantern]

thats Fifths' way of saying hello.....be happy he isn't humping your leg

[moraldeficiency]

thats Fifths' way of saying hello.....be happy he isn't humping your leg

You mean he's not? What did he find jesus or something?

[lucasn]

well hello then, fifth.

[TheCorpulent1]

You mean he's not? What did he find jesus or something?
Yeah, turns out the Rapture was supposed to start back in 2000 but he's been wolfing down those microwaveable burritos at the gas station all this time.

[moraldeficiency]

They are delicious.

[Themanofbat]

I'm not sure whether or not Darth was being nice. I'm just a little defensive after being removed from Marvel's blog. I've never said anything offensive- maybe a little opposing, but isn't that what blogs are for? or should we all discuss how great Martin is? anyways- I can't wait to see how many 'thumbs up newbie- you'll go far' sarcastic posts. pretty juvenile. disagree with me- tell me why Marcos Martin's art is so great. Don't rip me for being a 'newb' because I've been in this world too long for that.:grin:

I thought it reminded me of the early Steve Ditko days...

You really don't see that type of style anymore, and while art has become different over the years, it was a nice touch and really nice to look at during the battle scene... really reminded me of an old classic Spidey comic...

But I can see where somebody might not dif it...

:yay:

[fifthfiend]

You mean he's not? What did he find jesus or something?

Yep. Though he seemed a little off-put when I ran up and started humping his leg.:o

Yeah, turns out the Rapture was supposed to start back in 2000 but he's been wolfing down those microwaveable burritos at the gas station all this time.

You're confusing Jesus with Ted Nugent.

I mean it's cool, everybody does.

that's pretty funny fiend. is fifth your grade? let's see how we roll, yo.:hehe:

You just got demoted to 'busta'.

[lucasn]

I can see the Ditko reference, but Ditko wasn't really ever my fav. actually I always thought his work was a bit stiff and comparatively lacked a lot of the wow factor that I saw in Bagley, Deadato and the Romitas. McNiven was great too. The character seemed classic and real for a while there. I guess the art isn't my prob. It seems that Amazing Spidey has gotten really inconsistant. maybe? I just feel uneasy picking up the book every month. As an artist myself, I pay close attention to art.. Martin's storytelling was pretty good, but he lacked in rendering, expression, and his backgrounds seemed very dull.

[Themanofbat]

Martin's storytelling was pretty good, but he lacked in rendering, expression, and his backgrounds seemed very dull.

I thought his backgrounds were pretty decent, but I think the colouring may have had an effect on the dullish look...

:huh: :huh: :huh:

:yay:

[kguillou]

If he could get a good inker and colorist then his art would look amazing, but i'm liking what were getting so far.

[lucasn]

you might be onto something with the inker bit. He actually inks his work himself. maybe that has to do with his location in spain. I wonder if he's going for a Frank Quitely look. not working for me. maybe it could benefit from a different inker. his is too lined and has no form. many of the backgrounds seem to be rendered by the colorist. without the color, there wouldn't be a background on many panels

[BlackLantern]

I can't stand Quitelys' art.....He almost ruined 'The Authority' with that stuff....

[The Geek Vault]

I think I'm dropping ASM. It's just not the spider-man I know and love.

[BlackLantern]

I think I'm dropping ASM. It's just not the spider-man I know and love.

sorry its not all "lets hug MJ" anymore....I can recommend some 'Archie' comics if you need some relationship in your comics...:oldrazz:

[spideyboy_1111]

sorry its not all "lets hug MJ" anymore....I can recommend some 'Archie' comics if you need some relationship in your comics...:oldrazz:

spider-man was hardly ever like that :o

[Doc Destruction]

sorry its not all "lets hug MJ" anymore....I can recommend some 'Archie' comics if you need some relationship in your comics...:oldrazz:

Wow are you an ass.

AND offbase.

And WRONG.

Congratulations - welcome to the worst posts ever club.

[BlackLantern]

Why do you have to resort to name-calling??.....I was just busting his chops...hence the tongue sticking out smiley face...

[DoomJester]

This may be controversial but I like ASM now. I am really enjoying it. More so than I have of Spider-man for a while. And you know what? I think married Pete and unmarried Pete are both great ideas for the Spider-man character; but unmarried, mistake-making Pete is dangerously close to being a breath of fresh air.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's not really controversial. Lots of people on the Hype like it, and the sales numbers' relative lack of long-term change from pre-OMD to now suggests that plenty of Spider-Man's readers collectively enjoy it too. Unless they're just buying it to complain about it, in which case they're stupid and their opinion shouldn't count anyway.

[DoomJester]

I've bought books to complain about them (countdown) trust me, it really does make sense at the time.

[BlackLantern]

I've bought books to complain about them (countdown) trust me, it really does make sense at the time.

If I may ask, what is the thought process in that..."I'm going to buy this, hate it immensely, then go online and **** all over it"??

[Doc Destruction]

Why do you have to resort to name-calling??.....I was just busting his chops...hence the tongue sticking out smiley face...

Bah, I hate the sarcastic smiley face retort. I always get it wrong.

Apologies.

[fifthfiend]

sorry its not all "lets hug MJ" anymore

Now it's "Let's tongue-kiss creepy old men."

I can see where you'd prefer the new approach.:up:

[lucasn]

I can't stand Quitelys' art.....He almost ruined 'The Authority' with that stuff....
Quitely really isn't for everything.... rather, it's interesting. That may be what everyone sees in Martin... cos he's not a particularly great artist.. must be his style? anyways sounds like everyone's on to peter & mj woes now...

[lucasn]

I think I'm dropping ASM. It's just not the spider-man I know and love.
I'm tinkering with the idea myself, but for other reasons... The BND thing is kind of nice in that, you can buy a book without worrying about some giant all-encompassing saga-type story taking over your monthly budget. so that's kind of nice.... the art inconsistency is my prob.... queasy...

[WolfCypher]

I dropped ASM right after, I believe, that Mr. Negative issue, or the Freak issue...but I will be checking in on "New Ways to Die" for obvious reasons.

[Themanofbat]

I think I'm dropping ASM. It's just not the spider-man I know and love.

I'll probably be keeping on buying ASM because it's the Spider-Man I know and love.

:yay:

[DoomJester]

If I may ask, what is the thought process in that..."I'm going to buy this, hate it immensely, then go online and **** all over it"??

I don't really remember. I knew that I should put it down, I knew I wasn't going to like it (well, I had an educated guess), but I just felt I had to read it, I mean, I had most of the other issues, and you know what? If I can rage for a minute when everyone else is raging at the book, then maybe that's better than reading stuff and saying "hmm... I just don't care."

I mean, Countdown I felt was easy to rage on. Typically I just drop books.

[Docker2.0]

I actually understand.......ASM, though I've wanted to drop it, I can't so I just complain about it. I mean, the stories have sucked and there doesn't seem to be ANY completions to any of the new villians at all but you get the feeling that next issue will be better so you read it anyway. And when it isn't, you just complain becuase you just new it sucked but somehow believed it couldve been good. :(

[TheCorpulent1]

I dropped Countdown somewhere in the 30s. I figured I'd given it a year's worth of any monthly comic's issues to impress me and it consistently failed every time, so why bother? Reviews and the majority of opinions here told me I made the right call. :up:

[DoomJester]

You made the right call.

Countdown was annoying. I looked forward to reading about Mary Marvel (even though she frustrated me to no end). Her character's total destruction was such an obvious editorial mandate... But, aside from more Batman stories, I have at least one extra character I am on the look out for in DC.

Please don't take that to mean you should checkout Countdown. It was bad. Mary's story was bad. I'm just saying I read it.

[storyteller]

I think some people need to let go of OMD. BND hasnt been the blasphemy some people have made it out to be. Tell how the spiderman now is not the one we have known? He's not a rich billionaire playboy or a mild mannered reporter. The stories are up to personal opinion(though i went back and read nearly all the spiderman comics and i gotta say these past stories have been more gold then the majority). At least we only got one "goblin" around for the time being. Though i will say the art is sucking for some issues. Wtf is up with harry head. They make him look like hes a mishappened balloon.

[kguillou]

Eventhough OMD broke my heart, i was able to move and just enjoy BND. It was a rocky start but there's some cool things on the horizon for Spidey, the kind of stories we've all been wanting for the last 3 years. Spidey's teaming with DD, thunderbolts are coming, norman's coming, eddie brock's coming back, a new venom, JRjr's coming, things are looking up, let's all be optimistic.:yay:

[moraldeficiency]

Yeah, I'm going to pass on just being blindly optimistic. We've had over a year of issues, has there been anything and I mean anything done that couldn't have happened before Pete made his deal with the devil? Any new stories that needed that element to be told? Other than the gripping nature of once again living at home with his elderly aunt I mean? Pete has regressed to a guy a little too stupid to understand how his own web shooters work, gets out classed by a fun runner, and has a new goblin and rose look a like running around causing trouble. The ideals of what made Pete a hero, those of responsibility and making the hard choice because it's the right thing, no longer exist as pete the paparazzi clicks away the rest of his credibility and bemoans his self fullfilling prophecy of parker luck again and again ad nausiem just so little kids can get into spider-man (hey see that spread of the junkie shooting up? That's kid friendly!) because of an editorial mandate that was tried and failed horrifically once, only to have it imposed in such a way that the actual writer who originally agreed to write the story wanted nothing to do with the butchered nature of the forced fit that became OMD. Now maybe you can distance the event from your mind like people do with sins past (which was forcebly kept in because Joey Q liked it [draw your conclusions here]) and maybe you can see something "new" admist the exact same stories with slightly different faces and see the silver light, but some of us can't.

[kguillou]

Oh Well, i tried...

[Themanofbat]

Oh Well, i tried...

I appreciate the effort...

:yay:

[moraldeficiency]

I appreciate the effort...

:yay:

You would you soulless monster....

[Hans]

Yeah, I'm going to pass on just being blindly optimistic. We've had over a year of issues, has there been anything and I mean anything done that couldn't have happened before Pete made his deal with the devil? Any new stories that needed that element to be told? Other than the gripping nature of once again living at home with his elderly aunt I mean? Pete has regressed to a guy a little too stupid to understand how his own web shooters work, gets out classed by a fun runner, and has a new goblin and rose look a like running around causing trouble. The ideals of what made Pete a hero, those of responsibility and making the hard choice because it's the right thing, no longer exist as pete the paparazzi clicks away the rest of his credibility and bemoans his self fullfilling prophecy of parker luck again and again ad nausiem just so little kids can get into spider-man (hey see that spread of the junkie shooting up? That's kid friendly!) because of an editorial mandate that was tried and failed horrifically once, only to have it imposed in such a way that the actual writer who originally agreed to write the story wanted nothing to do with the butchered nature of the forced fit that became OMD. Now maybe you can distance the event from your mind like people do with sins past (which was forcebly kept in because Joey Q liked it [draw your conclusions here]) and maybe you can see something "new" admist the exact same stories with slightly different faces and see the silver light, but some of us can't.

Yeah, the only thing that had me semi-interested in following Amazing Spider-Man was the promise of some answers to all the questions that OMD posed. I mean, we're what? Five months into it, now? That's over a year's worth of issues, and still not a single answer or even reference to OMD. I mean, Marvel and Quesada keep saying to keep reading, but for how long? It's such a tease just to keep people buying the book, in my opinion.

[Blader5489]

Yeah, I'm going to pass on just being blindly optimistic. We've had over a year of issues, has there been anything and I mean anything done that couldn't have happened before Pete made his deal with the devil? Any new stories that needed that element to be told? Other than the gripping nature of once again living at home with his elderly aunt I mean? Pete has regressed to a guy a little too stupid to understand how his own web shooters work, gets out classed by a fun runner, and has a new goblin and rose look a like running around causing trouble. The ideals of what made Pete a hero, those of responsibility and making the hard choice because it's the right thing, no longer exist as pete the paparazzi clicks away the rest of his credibility and bemoans his self fullfilling prophecy of parker luck again and again ad nausiem just so little kids can get into spider-man (hey see that spread of the junkie shooting up? That's kid friendly!) because of an editorial mandate that was tried and failed horrifically once, only to have it imposed in such a way that the actual writer who originally agreed to write the story wanted nothing to do with the butchered nature of the forced fit that became OMD. Now maybe you can distance the event from your mind like people do with sins past (which was forcebly kept in because Joey Q liked it [draw your conclusions here]) and maybe you can see something "new" admist the exact same stories with slightly different faces and see the silver light, but some of us can't.

Not enough whining.

[Themanofbat]

You would you soulless monster....

You love me. :yay:

Yeah, the only thing that had me semi-interested in following Amazing Spider-Man was the promise of some answers to all the questions that OMD posed. I mean, we're what? Five months into it, now? That's over a year's worth of issues, and still not a single answer or even reference to OMD. I mean, Marvel and Quesada keep saying to keep reading, but for how long? It's such a tease just to keep people buying the book, in my opinion.

Well, for starters, we all knew that nothing was going to get answered in the first 4 months because all 4 writers needed to get their feet wet and tell their own stories while building up the sub-plots... so within the first 3 issues of month five, we get a last page panel of MJ reading "Faust"... could be a red hearing, who knows? But it damn well piques the curiosity factor.

And in the recent Philly con, Quesada told the crowd that all things should be answered within a year to a year & a half... and I can appreciate that time frame, as I don't need to be spoon fed all my answers RIGHT NOW!!!!

I like a little suspense, and if they get answered a little bit at a time, I can dig it.

:yay:

[TheCorpulent1]

Not enough whining.
I agree, he had way too many valid points in there. :down

[Themanofbat]

You love me. :yay:



Well, for starters, we all knew that nothing was going to get answered in the first 4 months because all 4 writers needed to get their feet wet and tell their own stories while building up the sub-plots... so within the first 3 issues of month five, we get a last page panel of MJ reading "Faust"... could be a red hearing, who knows? But it damn well piques the curiosity factor.

And in the recent Philly con, Quesada told the crowd that all things should be answered within a year to a year & a half... and I can appreciate that time frame, as I don't need to be spoon fed all my answers RIGHT NOW!!!!

I like a little suspense, and if they get answered a little bit at a time, I can dig it.

:yay:

Here's the link...

http://www.newsarama.com/Philly08/Marvel/BrandNewDay.html

Actually, what was said that the void between OMD & BND will be filled out between 1 & 1 1/2 years, and that will answer a LOT of unanswered questions...

:yay:

[TheCorpulent1]

Isn't there a literal year or a year and a half between the events of OMD and BND within the universe? I vaguely recall something about that. I wonder how that'll work.

[Themanofbat]

Isn't there a literal year or a year and a half between the events of OMD and BND within the universe? I vaguely recall something about that. I wonder how that'll work.

I've been trying to read all the links/interviews and I don't recall them saying exactly how much time went on, though I'd speculate that it was a few months minimum...

:yay:

[TheCorpulent1]

I've been trying to read all the links/interviews and I don't recall them saying exactly how much time went on, though I'd speculate that it was a few months minimum...

:yay:
Found it. From http://www.newsarama.com/Philly08/Marvel/BrandNewDay.html:
Quesada elaborated, saying that they could not say that the stories did not happen, while pointing out that the time period from Peter and MJ's last kiss and Peter waking up in bed in the first 'Brand New Day' issue was left undefined on purpose. Asked if there was a time frame in mind insofar as how far apart those events occurred chronologically, Quesada said that it was "about a year, year and a half," Quesada said.

[Hans]

So then that means that there's at least a year or year and a half between World War Hulk and Secret Invasion. Uh...I don't think so.

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe Mephisto retconned a year into Peter's life and no one else's. ;)

[Hans]

That could be possible, actually. Jesus Christ, this madness knows no bounds.

[Blader5489]

In the MU, it's been a year or so Civil War, right? Considering Back in Black and OMD happened immediately after CW, it's not a stretch to say a year has passed since OMD.

I agree, he had way too many valid points in there.

Moraldeficieny? Valid points? No, that's impossible.

[fifthfiend]

We've had over a year of issues, has there been anything and I mean anything done that couldn't have happened before Pete made his deal with the devil? Any new stories that needed that element to be told?

Well see now it's easier for lonely dorks and ****ty old men who regret their life choices to imagine it's themselves as swingin' single superheros going off on Goblin-battling adventures. All that character development and "responsibility" nonsense ****ed with their Mary-Sueing.

[moraldeficiency]

Moraldeficieny? Valid points? No, that's impossible.

Your. Mother.

[Themanofbat]

Found it. From http://www.newsarama.com/Philly08/Marvel/BrandNewDay.html:

When I read the same interview, I got the impression that all will be unfolded within a year to a year & a half...

:huh: :huh: :huh:

:csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think that's what he's saying at all, TMOB. He says he's talking about the period between Peter and MJ's last kiss in OMD and Peter waking up in bed in BND. So it'd be a year between the stories, not a year until we see what happened. Although he may have mentioned how long it'll be before we see the story of that in-universe time frame revealed somewhere else.
In the MU, it's been a year or so Civil War, right? Considering Back in Black and OMD happened immediately after CW, it's not a stretch to say a year has passed since OMD.
I don't think so. It's been a little over a year in real time since Civil War. That means it's only been a few months at the most in comic time.

[Phenomenal]

Only if it was the only cartoon you ever watched

What the hell man, where have you been? How have you been?
Wow, I hope your still keeping up with One Piece and Naruto!!
Good to see you Guyverjay!!

[Themanofbat]

I don't think that's what he's saying at all, TMOB. He says he's talking about the period between Peter and MJ's last kiss in OMD and Peter waking up in bed in BND. So it'd be a year between the stories, not a year until we see what happened. Although he may have mentioned how long it'll be before we see the story of that in-universe time frame revealed somewhere else.

Nope... you're mistaken, or you're misinterpreting his words, or he's obviously mistaken, or they've changed their minds since the begining, because clearly, in ASM #546, the tv newscaster mentions how it's been "months" since Spidey hasmade any appearances other than the one brief sighting (from "Swing Shift", the FCBD Spidey book), and in the same issue, there's a copy of the Daily Bugle with a headline that reads...

"100 days!!! Still No Signs of Spider-Man"

So it's been 3, perhaps 4 months between the events of OMD and BND... which would make more sense as far as a timeline goes in the Marvel Universe.

:yay:

[javi1024]

In the MU, it's been a year or so Civil War, right? Considering Back in Black and OMD happened immediately after CW, it's not a stretch to say a year has passed since OMD.

im sure i read somewhere that it has been 3-4 months since Civil War ended in the MU. i know in the first issue of BND everyone keeps saying Spider-Man hasnt been seen for months, and since he did still fight in the Civil War i assume he disappeared right after.

[TheCorpulent1]

Nope... you're mistaken, or you're misinterpreting his words, or he's obviously mistaken, or they've changed their minds since the begining, because clearly, in ASM #546, the tv newscaster mentions how it's been "months" since Spidey hasmade any appearances other than the one brief sighting (from "Swing Shift", the FCBD Spidey book), and in the same issue, there's a copy of the Daily Bugle with a headline that reads...

"100 days!!! Still No Signs of Spider-Man"

So it's been 3, perhaps 4 months between the events of OMD and BND... which would make more sense as far as a timeline goes in the Marvel Universe.

:yay:
Couldn't he have just not put on the suit for 100 days? I don't see how that headline necessarily precludes there being a year between the last moment of OMD and the first moment of BND...

[Themanofbat]

Couldn't he have just not put on the suit for 100 days? I don't see how that headline necessarily precludes there being a year between the last moment of OMD and the first moment of BND...

But he mentions in the Swing Shift book (that IS in continuity) that he's been avoiding putting on the Spidey suit to keep the heat off him as he is now a wanted fugitiver and operating without a licence (or something along those lines)... it all just leaves me to believe that he basically stopped being Spider-Man for 3 to 4 months and laid low; hence the headlines in the paper, and it fits better into Marvel continuity.

I seriously think that JQ meant that all of our answers as to what happened during that time period will be anwered within the next year/year & a half...

:huh: :huh: :huh:

:csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

But Quesada specifically mentions in that panel that the "year, year and a half" refers to "how far apart [the end of OMD and the beginning of BND] occurred chronologically." :huh:

It sounds to me like there's a year between the end of OMD and the beginning of BND, and Peter quit being Spider-Man for the last 100 days of that period.

[Hans]

That's how it sounds to me, too. But remember that WWH took place pre-OMD. Meaning that Secret Invasion would have to occur at least a year to a year and a half aftr WWH. I don't see that as being accurate.

[UK_Stu]

But Quesada specifically mentions in that panel that the "year, year and a half" refers to "how far apart [the end of OMD and the beginning of BND] occurred chronologically." :huh:

It sounds to me like there's a year between the end of OMD and the beginning of BND, and Peter quit being Spider-Man for the last 100 days of that period.

Thats how I understood JQ's quote too. But doesn't that really mess up the time line? One word: Skrulls

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm telling you guys, Mephisto retconned an extra year into Spider-Man's life alone. Mark my words... :ninja:

[Blader5489]

Isn't it possible that Quesada, having no involvement in Spider-Man comics since OMD, doesn't know what he's talking about and just made up the "year, year and a half" comment on the spot?

It was already established that Spider-Man hadn't been seen in 100 days prior to Swing Shift, so Corp's earlier comment about there having been 3-4 months since Civil War ended would sync everything up nicely between OMD, BND, and the rest of the MU.

[J. J. Jameson]

I don't understand why there has to be so large a time gap anyway.

One thing I've noticed, I don't know if anyone else feels this way...when I'm reading Amazing now, even when the stories are good, such as Wells' story and Slotts second arc that just finished up today, Peter just doesn't feel like Peter. What I mean is, I feel very disconnected from the character...mostly because the past however-long in his life isn't what I remember and know it to be. And, partly, because MJ carved out a good part of Peter's personality over the past 20-some years. Without that there it just seems like there's part of the character missing.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't understand what you mean by "MJ carved out a good part of Peter's personality." Are you saying she became such a part of his life that now he doesn't seem right without her, or are you saying she detracted from his classic personality and diluted him somehow so that now he's like a shadow of his former self, or what? :huh:

[Anubis]

I'd say the first one.

[UK_Stu]

Possibly, but you'd like to think the EIC has a rough grasp of the current MU timeline

[Anubis]

Pfft, yeah right.

[Themanofbat]

Isn't it possible that Quesada, having no involvement in Spider-Man comics since OMD, doesn't know what he's talking about and just made up the "year, year and a half" comment on the spot?

It was already established that Spider-Man hadn't been seen in 100 days prior to Swing Shift, so Corp's earlier comment about there having been 3-4 months since Civil War ended would sync everything up nicely between OMD, BND, and the rest of the MU.

That would be TMoB's comment... :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

:yay:

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, my comments are correct. :oldrazz:

[Themanofbat]

I don't understand why there has to be so large a time gap anyway.

One thing I've noticed, I don't know if anyone else feels this way...when I'm reading Amazing now, even when the stories are good, such as Wells' story and Slotts second arc that just finished up today, Peter just doesn't feel like Peter. What I mean is, I feel very disconnected from the character...mostly because the past however-long in his life isn't what I remember and know it to be. And, partly, because MJ carved out a good part of Peter's personality over the past 20-some years. Without that there it just seems like there's part of the character missing.

I would say it's because we've all become so accustomed to Mary Jane being Peter's girl Friday, that it's awkward to see them not together... having read the book monthly for 33 + years, I remember those times, and it's all seemingly natural to me...

Give it time, and let thegood times sink in... it is indeed a sad part of Peter's life, like other lost loves, but let's look forward to things getting better for our favourite wall-crawler.

:yay:

[Themanofbat]

Yeah, my comments are correct. :oldrazz:

I'm lonely and confused...

:csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

I would say it's because we've all become so accustomed to Mary Jane being Peter's girl Friday, that it's awkward to see them not together... having read the book monthly for 33 + years, I remember those times, and it's all seemingly natural to me...

Give it time, and let thegood times sink in... it is indeed a sad part of Peter's life, like other lost loves, but let's look forward to things getting better for our favourite wall-crawler.

:yay:
My favorite wall-crawler is actually Spider-Girl. Has been since before the end of JMS' run, in fact. Her comic's doing pretty well, although I really wish she'd kick Arana in the face some more. God, I hate future-Arana even more than I hated teenage-Arana.

[Doc Destruction]

AMEN on all counts, Corp.

[iloveclones]

My favorite wall-crawler is actually Spider-Girl. Has been since before the end of JMS' run, in fact. Her comic's doing pretty well, although I really wish she'd kick Arana in the face some more. God, I hate future-Arana even more than I hated teenage-Arana.

I have to tell you, I have almost all the issues, but at some point started losing interest. I probably haven't done more than skim for the last 30 issues or so. Frenz is one of my favorite artists, too, so it really bums me out that I don't like it more.

[TheCorpulent1]

I have a weird relationship with Spider-Girl. I've dropped her comic about 3 or 4 times now, but then I always see something on the cover of an issue that makes me flip through it at the shop, and then I remember how much fun the comic is, and then I start buying it again.

Part of the problem for me is Frenz, actually. I like his art, but I don't think he's the right fit for Spider-Girl. It may just be the fact that he's been penciling Spider-Girl, the only MC2 comic left, for just shy of forever, which makes the MC2 world as a whole seem a bit monotonous. I'm enjoying Nauck's take on the MC2 world in American Dream, and I loved Ron Lim's art in whichever of the Last ______ Standing minis he did.

[J. J. Jameson]

I don't understand what you mean by "MJ carved out a good part of Peter's personality." Are you saying she became such a part of his life that now he doesn't seem right without her, or are you saying she detracted from his classic personality and diluted him somehow so that now he's like a shadow of his former self, or what? :huh:

The first one. I meant that so many times, she'd be Pete's moral support or his motivation or whatever. I think she really became part of the fight, y'know? Like how Pete always has his promise to Uncle Ben at the back of his mind, I think the same thing is true of MJ...or was true of MJ. Just seems odd to see that part of Pete missing. It's a lot of the reason why BND still seems kinda "out there" to me and keeps from from connecting with the characters with much as, say, when JMS was beginning his run. Even there, MJ and Pete were separated, but she was still in his thoughts throughout the separation. In BND, we have none of that. It's like a hole in the story that needs to be filled.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ah, I see. I'd probably feel the same way if I were reading BND. Honestly, the fact that that they opened the very first issue of BND with some ho kissing Peter seems like a misstep to me. Rather than letting fans get accustomed to the fact that Peter's single again, they essentially threw it in their faces on the very first page.

[BlackLantern]

Ah, I see. I'd probably feel the same way if I were reading BND. Honestly, the fact that that they opened the very first issue of BND with some ho kissing Peter seems like a misstep to me. Rather than letting fans get accustomed to the fact that Peter's single again, they essentially threw it in their faces on the very first page.

Thats' why I liked it....:yay: Fans need a good kick in the junk every so often

[Themanofbat]

Thats' why I liked it....:yay: Fans need a good kick in the junk every so often

Kicks in the junk are what makes us come back for more... otherwise, books would become very prosaic and nobody would wantto read them.

:yay:

[TheCorpulent1]

Sometimes. Other times they're just crass.

[spideyboy_1111]

I would say it's because we've all become so accustomed to Mary Jane being Peter's girl Friday, that it's awkward to see them not together... having read the book monthly for 33 + years, I remember those times, and it's all seemingly natural to me...

Give it time, and let thegood times sink in... it is indeed a sad part of Peter's life, like other lost loves, but let's look forward to things getting better for our favourite wall-crawler.

:yay:

i wont let it sink in MJ and Peter will be together again.. i have no doubt about that. it's just a matter of when.

[BlackLantern]

I just gave part 4 of OMD to a friend of mine who hasn't read Spider-Man in years....and he is interested again.....

Score one for the good guys

[BlackLantern]

i wont let it sink in MJ and Peter will be together again.. i have no doubt about that. it's just a matter of when.

I used to think the same thing about my parents...then something interesting happend...I grew the **** up and saw the reality of things...

[Blader5489]

Sometimes. Other times they're just crass.

You're right, Marvel isn't being sensitive enough these days.

[fifthfiend]

I used to think the same thing about my parents...then something interesting happend...I grew the **** up and saw the reality of things...

If only Peter Parker were allowed to grow up like you did.

Too bad Joe Quesada won't let him.

[BlackLantern]

Fifth.... sometimes people grow up and are alone....it does happen....

I think what happened is that when Peter had MJ, it gave a ton of false hope to generations of nerds thinking they could get the hot model type....now that MJ has been taken away...Reality has slapped alot of people in the face....

[spideyboy_1111]

I used to think the same thing about my parents...then something interesting happend...I grew the **** up and saw the reality of things...

actually my parents are getting back together... and my grandpa is getting married again.. so fairy tales do come true ;) :o

[spideyboy_1111]

Fifth.... sometimes people grow up and are alone....it does happen....

I think what happened is that when Peter had MJ, it gave a ton of false hope to generations of nerds thinking they could get the hot model type....now that MJ has been taken away...Reality has slapped alot of people in the face....

i personally just think those people are bitter... no nerd looked as hot as peter anyway... and a guy who looks as hot as peter could easily get a MJ.... :o hell kevin smith got a hot model.. he's living proof.

[spideyboy_1111]

oh and the guy im in a quasi relationship with is hot enough to be a model ;)

[BlackLantern]

i personally just think those people are bitter... no nerd looked as hot as peter anyway... and a guy who looks as hot as peter could easily get a MJ.... :o hell kevin smith got a hot model.. he's living proof.

Kevin Smith is a Hollywood director/writer....that tends to help when it comes to women

It's like being a doctor....my doctor looks like a Hobbit and he has a smoking wife

[fifthfiend]

Fifth.... sometimes people grow up and are alone....it does happen....

But not to Spidey, cause Quesada decided growing up wasn't allowed.:up:

[spideyboy_1111]

Kevin Smith is a Hollywood director/writer....that tends to help when it comes to women

It's like being a doctor....my doctor looks like a Hobbit and he has a smoking wife

yawn... i see hot girls with gross guys and gross girls with hot guys all the time :o the only people who are sore are insecure fanboys like joey q himself... who always wanted a girl like that.. probably even missed out of girls that "weren't good enough" for him cuz he set his standards to MJ's and now is a bitter old fart who just wanted to end the marriage out of spite for never getting that.

[fifthfiend]

oh and the guy im in a quasi relationship with is hot enough to be a model ;)

Codeword for "Not getting any cock.":o

[BlackLantern]

Let me clarify my point for the sake of argument....I was ok with Peter being in a serious relationship, I was never OK with MJ knowing who he was or being married....

[spideyboy_1111]

Codeword for "Not getting any cock.":o

it's a quasi relationship cuz were long distance... and when were together we both get the cock if you must know ;)

[spideyboy_1111]

Let me clarify my point for the sake of argument....I was ok with Peter being in a serious relationship, I was never OK with MJ knowing who he was or being married....

ok...

i dont see a F'n difference between being committed in a relationship and being married though :o its the fact they wrote both characters into having no other friends or a social life at all for that matter.

[BlackLantern]

ok...

i dont see a F'n difference between being committed in a relationship and being married though :o its the fact they wrote both characters into having no other friends or a social life at all for that matter.

pete has some friends that he hangs out with and somewhat of a social life now, when he isn't running off to web-swing....

[hippie_hunter]

it's a quasi relationship cuz were long distance... and when were together we both get the cock if you must know ;)

No offense dude, but waaay too much information :csad:

[javi1024]

anybody else die a little inside when you saw MJ talking to Spider-Man? but now im really interested in where theyre planning to go with their relationship with the way she was talking.

[spideyboy_1111]

No offense dude, but waaay too much information :csad:

sorry... but when someone gives me a smart answer ill give them what they don't wanna know back ;) just sorry you had to be a part of it

[spideyboy_1111]

pete has some friends that he hangs out with and somewhat of a social life now, when he isn't running off to web-swing....

all rip off's and resurrections of ones that are still perfectly good and still well alive. there's no reason MJ or peter couldn't of had friends while married :o

[spideyboy_1111]

anybody else die a little inside when you saw MJ talking to Spider-Man? but now im really interested in where theyre planning to go with their relationship with the way she was talking.

ya actually enjoyed this new issue.. but the problem with the arc is it makes MJ seem too eager to move on... she obviously knows... but for some reason she feels peter is better off not knowing, either that or if MJ tries to contact him May dies?

[Themanofbat]

it's a quasi relationship cuz were long distance... and when were together we both get the cock if you must know ;)

No offense dude, but waaay too much information :csad:

I think we need more info... like do they do ATM? :woot: :woot: :woot:

:cwink:

[Themanofbat]

ok...

i dont see a F'n difference between being committed in a relationship and being married though :o its the fact they wrote both characters into having no other friends or a social life at all for that matter.

Man, there are some users in the Spider-Man Comics forums that go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about how "different" is was that they were in a committed relationship as opposed to marriage... and that the baby was made "out of wedlock" :wow: :wow: :wow: Oh, the howwor!!!! :whatever:

Man, I know non-married couples that have been together since 1972 (that's 36 years) and are more in love than most married couples I know...

But they see it as a committment to god thing... :whatever:

[Ion Kenshin]

I think we need more info... like do they do ATM? :woot: :woot: :woot:

:cwink:

You never go ATM! lol

[venom892]

sometimes in the heat of the moment it's ok to go atm.:oldrazz:

[Ion Kenshin]

^^^^hahahahaha

[TheCorpulent1]

I hope most people think you guys just have some kind of banking fetish. :dry:

[Ion Kenshin]

LMAO nice corp

[spideyboy_1111]

will that be debt or credit?

[TheCorpulent1]

This transaction is over, perv. :cmad:

[spideyboy_1111]

This transaction is over, perv. :cmad:

declined

[kguillou]

Ok...how is nobody talking about the new issue of ASM? We have some very interesting developments. MJ pretty much confirms that she remembers everything and MJ confronts "Sara Ehret" at the end. Sara seems to be a big fan of MJ's...hmm. So maybe Sara is Jackpot, and since she's a fan of MJ's, she makes herself look like MJ when in the Jackpot uniform and mimics her speech too...kinda creepy. The only thing that bothers me is why then did she outright tell Spidey her identity back in #550??

[Colossal Spoons]

I just read the last 6 or so issues. It really baffles me how Peter can remain so poor and hopeless after all these years. No other Avengers live like he does. I know a lot of spidey fans like that "homemade" feel of spidey but this is ridiculous.

[venom892]

This transaction is over, perv. :cmad:
Nah I'm sure he wants to make a deposit.if you know what I mean.:o

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm going to choose not to know what you mean. :o

[Colossal Spoons]

This book is so frustrating. It's almost as if Peter likes being poor, fired, and a loser. I doubt I'll be on-board for many more issues.

[Blader5489]

This book is so frustrating. It's almost as if Peter likes being poor, fired, and a loser.

It's almost as if you didn't read the issue.

[moraldeficiency]

It's almost as if you didn't read the issue.

Yet another reason to boycott, the supporters critize you when you buy it if you dare anything but the highest praise. Come to our side, spoons, I promise we won't make fun of you and think of all the better things you can do with that money. Like buying hookers and drugs.

[Blader5489]

Yet another reason to boycott, the supporters critize you when you buy it if you dare anything but the highest praise.

Swing and a miss.

[Hans]

No, he was pretty much dead on. :up:

[javi1024]

This book is so frustrating. It's almost as if Peter likes being poor, fired, and a loser. I doubt I'll be on-board for many more issues.
i was kinda hoping hed stick with the paparazzi deal for a little while longer (long enough so he wouldnt complain about money for a while) and maybe continue to build up tension between him and his friends.

but im enjoying this title alot.

[Themanofbat]

This book is so frustrating. It's almost as if Peter likes being poor, fired, and a loser. I doubt I'll be on-board for many more issues.

Eight interviews in two days???

How does that make Peter "like" being jobless?

:huh: :huh: :huh:

And Peter has always been poor and a loser... that's what makes him so loveable...

Anyhoo, if it's not your cup'o tea, that's cool... I'm not going to bash anybody who doesn't like a particular comic book, nor would I expect anybody to criticize me for liking a book they don't like...

I appreciate that you've given it a chance, and while this issue (imo) has been Gale's best, the ending leaves me "can't wait" -ing for the next issue.

Cheers...

Mike

:yay:

[BlackLantern]

I'm still on board....the whole Jameson sub story is interesting as well

[Hans]

What made Pete so loveable was the fact that he was making something of himself and making a difference when he was teaching. He married the love of his life and became someone that you could really root for. He was someone who, while there were some bumps in the road, grew up and was living life as a productive adult in society. Now, he's back to being a loser, making stupid mistakes, not living up to his potential, not wanting to live up his potential, and it all just leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

[BlackLantern]

What made Pete so loveable was the fact that he was making something of himself and making a difference when he was teaching. He married the love of his life and became someone that you could really root for. He was someone who, while there were some bumps in the road, grew up and was living life as a productive adult in society. Now, he's back to being a loser, making stupid mistakes, not living up to his potential, not wanting to live up his potential, and it all just leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

Let's be honest...in the game of life, there are a handful of winners and a whole LOT of losers....I think it makes Peter more relatable as being someone who struggles...not have the happy go lucky go home to my supermodel wife(because thats realistic for a freelance photographer and public school teacher) life he was leading...

[moraldeficiency]

Let's be honest...in the game of life, there are a handful of winners and a whole LOT of losers....I think it makes Peter more relatable as being someone who struggles...not have the happy go lucky go home to my supermodel wife(because thats realistic for a freelance photographer and public school teacher) life he was leading...

See the supermodel wife that recognizes inner beauty I always found pretty inspiring. I agree that it wasn't the most realistic thing ever, although you would have to say Pete is (or was) one of the smartest men on the planet, in amazing shape and with a pretty good if naive world view so it wasn't like he was the dumpy guy fat and balding getting the hot chick (which I've seen enough in the real world). Considering Pete was dumped on from every angle his whole life and almost always still makes the hard choice and right decision, I thought he at least deserved that one bit of happiness. Not to mention MJ put a greater dynamic on him to come home other than self preservation, a responsibility level that's part of what makes his core character so compelling. Also he was with her way before the supermodel thing when she was just the pretty popular girl with a major chip on her shoulder.

[Hans]

Let's be honest...in the game of life, there are a handful of winners and a whole LOT of losers....I think it makes Peter more relatable as being someone who struggles...not have the happy go lucky go home to my supermodel wife(because thats realistic for a freelance photographer and public school teacher) life he was leading...

I never really related to Peter, and I'm going to go out on a limb and say that not very many did or do, regardless of what they say. I think people like Peter and can root for Peter, but I highly doubt that today's readers can relate to him.

As far as him being married to MJ and that not being able to produce any drama, well, that's just not true. There's a wealth of drama between married couples. I don't know why some people are incapable of seeing this. And it doesn't always have to be negative drama, like fighting or separations either. I thought seeing MJ struggle to make the jump from supermodel to respected actress was a great move, storywise. It put their finances in a bit of a pickle, and made MJ relevant again. Plus, you could be happy for Pete. He got the girl of his dreams.

As far as it being realistic: why isn't it? Actors, models and other celebrities fall in love with and marry "regular" people all the time. It might not be common, but neither is a guy who swings around the city on artificial webs. Saying it's not realistic is just a piss poor argument. Pete and MJ love(ed) each other. What would unrealistic is if they somehow couldn't be together because the devil took an interest in their lives.

[Themanofbat]

I never really related to Peter, and I'm going to go out on a limb and say that not very many did or do, regardless of what they say. I think people like Peter and can root for Peter, but I highly doubt that today's readers can relate to him.

Man, I could totally relate to Peter because he was living my life... he was the class nerd, the smartest guy in class that got picked on, and despite these incredible odds (fighting foes that were way beyond his class), he never gave up, which was inspiring to me as a kid and into my early adult years... I never gave up on reading Spider-Man as an adult (except for a brief 4 year period after they needlessly brought Norman back :whatever: ), but Peter became a lot less relatable to me from the 90's onward...

Hence why I love the new direction, because it brings myself (and Peter) back to his original roots with a new modern twist (imo).

:yay:

[Hans]

So...you were reading Spider-Man in the 60's? :confused:

[Themanofbat]

So...you were reading Spider-Man in the 60's? :confused:

No... I started reading Spider-Man monthly in 1975 (and with the help of Marvel Tales), I had access to his late 60's comics as well... (it was a bit confusing as an 8 year old, reading two different Spider-Man stories in the same month with different supporting cast members, but I eventually figured it out).

:yay:

[Hans]

No... I started reading Spider-Man monthly in 1975 (and with the help of Marvel Tales), I had access to his late 60's comics as well... (it was a bit confusing as an 8 year old, reading two different Spider-Man stories in the same month with different supporting cast members, but I eventually figured it out).

:yay:

Pete graduated high school in 1965. So, unless you're counting "late 60's comics" as occuring pre-1965, you didn't grow up reading Peter getting bullied in high school. Which means you couldn't have related to him in that way.

[moraldeficiency]

Hans with the chronological pwn.

[BlackLantern]

See the supermodel wife that recognizes inner beauty I always found pretty inspiring. I agree that it wasn't the most realistic thing ever, although you would have to say Pete is (or was) one of the smartest men on the planet, in amazing shape and with a pretty good if naive world view so it wasn't like he was the dumpy guy fat and balding getting the hot chick (which I've seen enough in the real world). Considering Pete was dumped on from every angle his whole life and almost always still makes the hard choice and right decision, I thought he at least deserved that one bit of happiness. Not to mention MJ put a greater dynamic on him to come home other than self preservation, a responsibility level that's part of what makes his core character so compelling. Also he was with her way before the supermodel thing when she was just the pretty popular girl with a major chip on her shoulder.

It's a classic nerd fantasy/delusion....I think thats why this whole change has incensed people so....People saw Pete & MJ and thought to themselves that they could get that hot girl or guy if they tried hard enough....well Reality, being the cold ***** that she is, kicked everyone right in the junk and it made people upset...

[iloveclones]

If that was a pwn, than calling someone a poo-poo head now qualifies as a pwn.

lame

[Hans]

Hans with the chronological pwn.

It's what I do. ;)
But seriously, like I said before, I doubt there's a great many people that can or could relate to Peter Parker. We're not geniuses, most of us have parents, most of us aren't burdened with contributing to the death of a loved one, we're not altruistic 90% of the time and above all, NONE of us have superpowers. People like reading Spider-Man, not because they can relate to him, but because he's a genuinely good person trying to do some good.

If that was a pwn, than calling someone a poo-poo head now qualifies as a pwn.

lame

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you're digging BND, am I right?

[moraldeficiency]

It's a classic nerd fantasy/delusion....I think thats why this whole change has incensed people so....People saw Pete & MJ and thought to themselves that they could get that hot girl or guy if they tried hard enough....well Reality, being the cold ***** that she is, kicked everyone right in the junk and it made people upset...

It was the carrot Pete deserved after so many years of life only giving him the stick or killing his girlfriends. You have to admit, Pete earned the right to be with MJ. Also all comics are classic nerd fantasy/delusion, that's what they're based on or do you find superman, thor and batman to be basically relatable in the real world?

[Hans]

It was the carrot Pete deserved after so many years of life only giving him the stick or killing his girlfriends. You have to admit, Pete earned the right to be with MJ. Also all comics are classic nerd fantasy/delusion, that's what they're based on or do you find superman, thor and batman to be basically relatable in the real world?

Everyone catches that one break in life that makes everything that came before it worth it. MJ was Pete's break.

[Docker2.0]

This issue just showed Marvel is messed up. They hyped up the "Other" Spidey for at least 2 months then come to find out it's just some prank basically. :whatever: This title also misses Slott a lot when he doesn't write on it. The last issue was pretty good but this one left ALOT to be desired. :o

[Colossal Spoons]

Eight interviews in two days???

How does that make Peter "like" being jobless?

:huh: :huh: :huh:

And Peter has always been poor and a loser... that's what makes him so loveable...

I guess that's why I never got into Spidey. He's an absolute loser. I can think of like a million ways he could have money and live comfortably but he continues to live paycheck to non-existent paycheck. I don't get it.

Anyhoo, if it's not your cup'o tea, that's cool... I'm not going to bash anybody who doesn't like a particular comic book, nor would I expect anybody to criticize me for liking a book they don't like...

I appreciate that you've given it a chance, and while this issue (imo) has been Gale's best, the ending leaves me "can't wait" -ing for the next issue.

Cheers...

Mike

:yay:

Thanks man, unlike Blader; the concept of opinions isn't lost on you :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

What made Pete so loveable was the fact that he was making something of himself and making a difference when he was teaching. He married the love of his life and became someone that you could really root for. He was someone who, while there were some bumps in the road, grew up and was living life as a productive adult in society. Now, he's back to being a loser, making stupid mistakes, not living up to his potential, not wanting to live up his potential, and it all just leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

Agreed X3000. He's so freaking smart, why is he not a professor at some college or at least in a research lab. Taking pictures? C'mon :down:

Let's be honest...in the game of life, there are a handful of winners and a whole LOT of losers....I think it makes Peter more relatable as being someone who struggles...not have the happy go lucky go home to my supermodel wife(because thats realistic for a freelance photographer and public school teacher) life he was leading...

This makes sense too, I'm sure a lot of people can relate to his struggle and that's great if you can find a comic character to do that with. But Pete struggles needlessly. I'd have given up that memory card so fast, it'd make your head spin. Guess Spidey and I are polar opposites.

[BlackLantern]

It was the carrot Pete deserved after so many years of life only giving him the stick or killing his girlfriends. You have to admit, Pete earned the right to be with MJ. Also all comics are classic nerd fantasy/delusion, that's what they're based on or do you find superman, thor and batman to be basically relatable in the real world?

Marvel markets Peter Parker as an everyman....and rarely does the everyman end up with the girl of his dreams and a 'Happily Ever After'...people come in and out of your life, things rise and fall....it's all in how you deal with those things that define you as a man...

[TheCorpulent1]

Peter hasn't been an everyman in a lot of aspects of his life for a long time. MJ wasn't the only thing separating him from that archetype.

[Hans]

Marvel markets Peter Parker as an everyman....and rarely does the everyman end up with the girl of his dreams and a 'Happily Ever After'...people come in and out of your life, things rise and fall....it's all in how you deal with those things that define you as a man...

Everymen get married to people they love everyday. Now, rarely does the everyman continue to live in his old room with his parents, go for ridiculous periods of time being unemployed and fail to use the college education that he worked so hard to earn.

[BlackLantern]

Everymen get married to people they love everyday. Now, rarely does the everyman continue to live in his old room with his parents, go for ridiculous periods of time being unemployed and fail to use the college education that he worked so hard to earn.

We have a 54 percent divorce rate in this country....love isn't what it used to be. I'm not a fan of him still living at home, but I was less of a fan of him being married....having a serious GF and trying to balance the hero thing and a relationship was good with me...

[Hans]

We have a 54 percent divorce rate in this country....love isn't what it used to be. I'm not a fan of him still living at home, but I was less of a fan of him being married....having a serious GF and trying to balance the hero thing and a relationship was good with me...

Uh, 100% of the people getting divorces were married in the first place, so I don't see what bringing up the divorce rate does. Pete and MJ had their troubles just like every couple and even separated for a time. I didn't have a problem with that because I knew they'd get back together. Now, not so much.

[BrianWilly]

Peter didn't even get divorced. He got ritual black magicked.

[TheCorpulent1]

Peter and MJ comprise 100% of the Faustian annulment statistics.

[BlackLantern]

Mephisto even said their marriage was special, that it was a love like no other and to take that away from God is a great victory....thats kind of awesome

[Anubis]

Eh, not really.

[TheCorpulent1]

Mephisto even said their marriage was special, that it was a love like no other and to take that away from God is a great victory....thats kind of awesome
That was so unbelievably stupid. I actually liked MJ and Peter together and even I thought that was stupid. They're two people in love. That's miracle enough; no need to make their marriage out to be this supernaturally amazing thing.

[Hans]

Yeah, it more along the lines of, "What?! No it's not. It's like every other married couple's love that actually love each other. Joe Quesada sucks!"

[Anubis]

If they really wanted to make him an everyman, they just shoulda got a divorce.

[BlackLantern]

I've actually had a chance to meet Joe Q at a con and got to talk to Dan Slott a bit before last years SDCC as we were taking the same flight from NY...this was before Slott started Spidey and he had just finished his run on She-Hulk...any way both nice guys...

[BrianWilly]

Mephisto even said their marriage was special, that it was a love like no other and to take that away from God is a great victory....thats kind of awesomeThat's kind of awkward in itself, because Peter and MJ had their problems like anyone else. They weren't any "better" than any hundreds of thousands of other relationships, for somehow the Devil himself to take note of. They just were.

[BlackLantern]

If they really wanted to make him an everyman, they just shoulda got a divorce.

or had MJ cheat on him....

[Anubis]

Or both.

[TheCorpulent1]

or had MJ cheat on him....
That would've sucked more than Mephisto.

[BrianWilly]

What? Like Gwen did?

[Anubis]

That would've sucked more than Mephisto.

Only if she did it with Norman Osborne. :o

No, it should have been with Stark.

[TheCorpulent1]

Only if she did it with Norman Osborne. :o

No, it should have been with Stark.
... and Wolverine. At the same time.

[Anubis]

While Skrullvis video taped it and put it on pornotube.

[BlackLantern]

That would've sucked more than Mephisto.

Really...? I think it would have shown that MJ has faults and could have taken the character in a different direction....having an affair and everything....

[TheCorpulent1]

Really...? I think it would have shown that MJ has faults and could have taken the character in a different direction....having an affair and everything....
Having faults and being an adulterous c*** are two different things. Having a 100% faithful marriage is one way I certainly wouldn't mind seeing Peter diverge from the everyman model, personally. Besides, they already had her flirt with the idea of adultery before, and it wasn't a particularly good story.

[BrianWilly]

Really...? I think it would have shown that MJ has faults and could have taken the character in a different direction....having an affair and everything....Okay, so why don't you suggest that Peter be the one who cheats? Why MJ?

[BlackLantern]

Okay, so why don't you suggest that Peter be the one who cheats? Why MJ?

That could work too....MJ thinks hes out fighting crime when in reality he is shagging some strumpet.....with his mask on....:oldrazz:

Think about the argument that would bring out....MJ would get ticked enough to reveal his secret identity to the world....

[TheCorpulent1]

That would make Peter unlikeable, though. Or, at least, I'm sure Joe Q would see it that way.

[Anubis]

How about nobody cheats. They concoct a story saying that she cheated with Stark (Which was already out there when a tabloid took pictures of her leaving stark towers before Pete exposed his id.) She divorces him, and leaves the city. May dies, she's safe, Pete's a near suicidal sad sack but happy his wife is okay.

[TheCorpulent1]

That still leaves Peter unable to bone random ****s because his heart would still be with MJ. He's gotta be a swingin' bachelor, remember, 'cause only old people are monogamous.

[BlackLantern]

That still leaves Peter unable to bone random ****s because his heart would still be with MJ. He's gotta be a swingin' bachelor, remember, 'cause only old people are monogamous.

I'd be cool with him trying to date...I say trying....just imagine a multiple panel speed dating page with all these different women looking terribly unimpressed with Peter Parker....

[Anubis]

Bah, the Everyman don't get no Tang!

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd be cool with him trying to date...I say trying....just imagine a multiple panel speed dating page with all these different women looking terribly unimpressed with Peter Parker....
I'd rather not.

[Themanofbat]

Pete graduated high school in 1965. So, unless you're counting "late 60's comics" as occuring pre-1965, you didn't grow up reading Peter getting bullied in high school. Which means you couldn't have related to him in that way.

I could relate to him being a big ^&$&ing loser no matter how hard he tried to do the right thing in life.

:cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

[BlackLantern]

I'd rather not.

You're so locked into Peter and MJ man....let go...think outside the firebox for a second....

[fifthfiend]

If they really wanted to make him an everyman, they just shoulda got a divorce.

That would interfere with all the paunchy 40-year-olds furiously Mary-Sueing themselves into Spidey's place as swingin' single 20-something superheroes.

[moraldeficiency]

One note, pete's not an everyman. He has everyman problems but his test scores are comparable with Mr. Fantastic, so he's an everyman for the top scientists in the world but that's about it. It's his life that's supposed to resemble typical life, but the man is anything but average in any respect. I think people forget that with the everyman thing.

[Anubis]

Everymen are for wussies.

[TheCorpulent1]

You're so locked into Peter and MJ man....let go...think outside the firebox for a second....
Not really. I've honestly never been interested in the romantic aspect of Spider-Man. Every time, it just breaks down to some variant on the old love triangle motif, which is so overdone it makes me want to stab myself with hot pokers every time I see it.

[Vanguard07]

He should just hook back up with Felicia. It'd be cool cause it'd give the Puma a reason to be Spiderman's enemy again.

[moraldeficiency]

Fireheart's a pretty awesome character, and they should use him more. I remember in spider-man unlimited where they decided to spotlight him as the guardian of earth against that lizard guy from whatever planet that was. Pretty awesome.

[J. J. Jameson]

That still leaves Peter unable to bone random ****s because his heart would still be with MJ. He's gotta be a swingin' bachelor, remember, 'cause only old people are monogamous.

When has Peter Parker ever boned random ****s??

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know. But Joe Q seems to think it's important that he could.
Fireheart's a pretty awesome character, and they should use him more. I remember in spider-man unlimited where they decided to spotlight him as the guardian of earth against that lizard guy from whatever planet that was. Pretty awesome.
He was pretty great in MODOK's 11 recently. :up:

[THANOSRULES]

My fondest memories of peter are him with MJ..

Him coming back all beat up and MJ there to patch him up.

Remember waay back when he was buried under all those rocks that were way above his strength limits and he bust out like the hulk just becuase he couldnt die becuase of MJ..I think it was in an old spectacular issue.

Awesome moment.

[J. J. Jameson]

I don't know. But Joe Q seems to think it's important that he could.

Ha! Because everybody can relate with that! Pete's taking tips from Mister J.

http://twentynine.us/junk/boner.jpg

[SouLeSS]

That would make Peter unlikeable, though. Or, at least, I'm sure Joe Q would see it that way.

If they want to make him 'relatable', then making him cheat is probably the best thing to do.

[TheCorpulent1]

Sadly, for the US culture, that's probably true.

[Colossal Spoons]

"Cheater" would be a step up from his current status of "****ing Loser" :o:up:

[BrianWilly]

Having a ban against smoking yet making your most visible icon cheat on his partner would be like opposing Mussolini while endorsing Hitler.

[BlackLantern]

Having a ban against smoking yet making your most visible icon cheat on his partner would be like opposing Mussolini while endorsing Hitler.

Big Smile....Big Smile (for the Lethal Weapon 2 fans, you'll get the joke)

[TheCorpulent1]

Having a ban against smoking yet making your most visible icon cheat on his partner would be like opposing Mussolini while endorsing Hitler.
Cheating never killed anyone Joe Q knows, though.

[Miss Webb]

That's kind of awkward in itself, because Peter and MJ had their problems like anyone else. They weren't any "better" than any hundreds of thousands of other relationships, for somehow the Devil himself to take note of. They just were.

I guess my take on it was the intensity of their selflessness for each other. That's rare, even for people in love. Love's always easier than sacrifice.

Still, Joey Q is full of hoo.

[TheCorpulent1]

That still makes it sound like some hammy, overly romantic nonsense to me.

[Miss Webb]

Not really. I've honestly never been interested in the romantic aspect of Spider-Man. Every time, it just breaks down to some variant on the old love triangle motif, which is so overdone it makes me want to stab myself with hot pokers every time I see it.

Well then, how about a love square_ with Peter, MJ, Felicia, and Harry?

Better still, a love hexagon with Peter, Harry, Felicia, Betty, MJ, Flash and Harry's girlfriend (I forget her name). Either it would sell out copies or make one very bad FOX series on TV. :woot:

The everyman bit is overblown, anyway. People grow and evolve, they don't stay static. Just like people you grew up with often turn out differently when you see them years later.

[Miss Webb]

That still makes it sound like some hammy, overly romantic nonsense to me.

Yeah, there's room to be overdramatic with stuff like that. Seems like most writers tend to go overboard. Kind of reminds me of when Mephisto thought for years the Surfer had a 'special' soul only to find out the only thing making it different was Galactus' influence. When he figured it out he lost interest completely, saying Surfer was all but a joke.

[DoomJester]

Well then, how about a love square_ with Peter, MJ, Felicia, and Harry?

Better still, a love hexagon with Peter, Harry, Felicia, Betty, MJ, Flash and Harry's girlfriend (I forget her name). Either it would sell out copies or make one very bad FOX series on TV. :woot:

The everyman bit is overblown, anyway. People grow and evolve, they don't stay static. Just like people you grew up with often turn out differently when you see them years later.

I agree and disagre. I agree in the sense that what you're saying is true, and good character development.

I disagree in the sense that comics aren't necessarily about absolute character development, they are about marketing a character who is relatively the same. Spider-man's place in the MU is probably that of the every-man. So does Spider-man have to get with times? Yes, but only as much as it allows him to be an everyman.

The real issue I think is in today's time, does him being married make him not an everyman? Well, I don't know. I hope Joe Q isn't trying to license readers to live with their moms and not use their college degrees. Cause that isn't what I'd want the everyman to be. I do like that Peter is making mistakes and learning from them though, I think that is a quality everyone could learn. Overall, I appreciate Marvel's attempt to keep Spidey pure. For better or worse, I really don't believe Joe Q did it cause he hates Spider-man or even cause all he saw was money. I think he asked himself what the one mark he could leave on comics was and I think that was his mark. Of course he thought it was the right decision.

[Spare-Flair]

SPOILER ASM 61

MJ certainly is having no problem sleeping with new guys even though she seems to be perfectly aware of Spider-Man/Peter Parker's existence and their history. Sara Ehret is back too. Wierd anagram for Sara Three???

[Doc Destruction]

Nice! I get to keep saving money! Whoo!

[venom892]

Me too!With the Money I save not buying ASM I buy Awesome Marvel comics like Captain America,Daredevil and Ghost Rider.

[Hans]

Sara Three, huh? Weird. I wonder what that could mean...

[fifthfiend]

SPOILER ASM 61

MJ certainly is having no problem sleeping with new guys even though she seems to be perfectly aware of Spider-Man/Peter Parker's existence and their history. Sara Ehret is back too. Wierd anagram for Sara Three???

Her whispered words to Mephisto were "Just make sure I'm getting all the dick I can handle.":up:

[Anubis]

Ha.

[fifthfiend]

When I wrote that I was like "Man, 'Nubs is gonna love this one."

[SouLeSS]

whens new ways to die start?

[venom892]

Mid august I believe.

[DoomJester]

I know this has been discussed over and over again I'm sure but can someone just remind me again-- what keeps MJ and Peter from dating again? What is dating? Does pizza count? Or does MJ have to be home by 11? What? Cause Mephisto did say a part of them would always yearn for each other, so technically a writer can't play up the whole-- "I just don't feel that way about her" bit, since deep down inside they will feel that they need each other to be satisfied. I just wanted to know that.

And while I grew up watching Peter and MJ on the Fox cartoon show, Spidey and Black Cat have great chemistry together.

[Blader5489]

I know this has been discussed over and over again I'm sure but can someone just remind me again-- what keeps MJ and Peter from dating again?

Something happened that caused them to break up.

[DoomJester]

huh? So that's it? They are just on outs with each other?

[Doc Destruction]

Yep! Which gives free reign for MJ to sleep around, knowing full well what really went down.

I think I puked a little just now.

[gildea]

Yep! Which gives free reign for MJ to sleep around, knowing full well what really went down.

I think I puked a little just now.



yeah we don't actually know mj knows what "really" happened.

[Jack O Lantern]

All she said was that they knew each other in a past life. We have no proof to state factually that she was talking about the deal with the Devil; she may have just been talking about the relationship they had in the new continuity.

[Blader5489]

Yep! Which gives free reign for MJ to sleep around, knowing full well what really went down.

I think I puked a little just now.

If your girlfriend breaks up with you, she is entitled to be with other guys, you know.

Or is that a little too real for you? :oldrazz:

[moraldeficiency]

Exactely. There's plenty of other things she might have asked for instead. Fifth came up with a good example of this:


Her whispered words to Mephisto were "Just make sure I'm getting all the dick I can handle.":up:


Which is as good a theory as anything else in this brand new convoluted craptastic spider-world as anything else I've read.