The Amazing Spider-Man

[stillanerd]

Folks can see what I thought of this week's issue, and Character Assassination in general over here: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=16624651&postcount=173

Oh, and for those of you who might think Harry may be off the hook in marrying Lily because she's turned out to be Menace, think again. Check out this cover for Amazing Spider-Man #598 Marvel has just made available:

http://i.livescience.com/images/ASM598_COV_col.jpg

[iloveclones]

Harry must have gotten those StarkTech-grade, S.H.I.E.L.D issue beer goggles.......

[CaptainStacy]

Folks can see what I thought of this week's issue, and Character Assassination in general over here: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=16624651&postcount=173

Oh, and for those of you who might think Harry may be off the hook in marrying Lily because she's turned out to be Menace, think again. Check out this cover for Amazing Spider-Man #598 Marvel has just made available:

http://i.livescience.com/images/ASM598_COV_col.jpg

This book just keeps getting better all the time.....



Not.

[Ion Kenshin]

That's just ****ing creepy

[TheCorpulent1]

Harry must have gotten those StarkTech-grade, S.H.I.E.L.D issue beer goggles.......
Maybe she spermjacks him.

[Captain Useless]

That's just ****ing creepy

I know what you mean, saggy boobies are the worst!

[spideyboy_1111]

somebody just gouge my eyes out right now

also sadly... it appears that issue #666 will not deal with mephisto like we hoped, but the sinister 666 :(. i mean i'm all for another sin six team up, but id rather mephisto still be envolved.

[Vanguard07]

he could be a member of the sinister six hundred. As we've learned from One More Day, he's clearly not above that sort of thing anymore.

[Ion Kenshin]

I know what you mean, saggy boobies are the worst!
Really not interested in the tits of any female comic character

[spideyboy_1111]

he could be a member of the sinister six hundred. As we've learned from One More Day, he's clearly not above that sort of thing anymore.

what's the sinister 600?

[Vanguard07]

look at the post right above the one you just quoted. The Sinister 666. You were the one who mentioned it.

[spideyboy_1111]

look at the post right above the one you just quoted. The Sinister 666. You were the one who mentioned it.

o, i thought you were saying there's a group called the sinister 600...

personally i wouldn't mind the sinister 666 be made up of spidey's dead villains who mephiso was in charge of in hell

-Kraven
-Jack-o-Lantern
-Mysterio
-Jackal

any other note worthy dead villains? or those who would be interesting?

[CaptainStacy]

o, i thought you were saying there's a group called the sinister 600...

personally i wouldn't mind the sinister 666 be made up of spidey's dead villains who mephiso was in charge of in hell

-Kraven
-Jack-o-Lantern
-Mysterio
-Jackal

any other note worthy dead villains? or those who would be interesting?

Demogoblin...

[TheCorpulent1]

Put him back together with Macendale (isn't he dead too?). :up:

[spideyboy_1111]

i guess there could be 2 goblin-esque people, (jack o lantern and demogoblin)

calypso wouldn't be bad either, but i'd rather her not be confirmed dead in that way, sure she's suppose to be.. but i would have actually loved her comic return over 12year old dakota fanning the hunter.

[spideyboy_1111]

So i had an idea for a perfect "un-dead" sinister 666 team

-Mysterio (looking like we last saw him in FNS, broken bowl, and demonic looking
-Kraven
-The Jackal
-Ezekial
- Demo Goblin
- "mysterious figure" - Turns out to be Ben Reilly, who is the tragic character who either sent himself to hell to protect peter for some reason, or was tricked into it.

Though there could be other candidates (jack-o-lantern, calypso*, shathra, carnage*, richard fisk, the burglar, swarm (hes been dead a long time really, easy for mephisto to have control over him), Tarantula)

*there presumed dead, could be alive, could be dead, we don't really know

[Vanguard07]

It's pretty clear by now we're never gonna see Ben Reilly's return to the 616.

[spideyboy_1111]

hmm it just occured to me 666 is like 2 years away.. just in time for the movie

[spideyboy_1111]

It's pretty clear by now we're never gonna see Ben Reilly's return to the 616.

well they do reference him alot more these days, marvels realizing he does have a fanbase.. i don't see what's wrong with showing him as a non-living character.

[Vanguard07]

Official marvel policy is that everyone should forget Ben Reilly and the Clone saga altogether. Unless that changes, we'll never see Ben's again, living or dead.

[spideyboy_1111]

Official marvel policy is that everyone should forget Ben Reilly and the Clone saga altogether. Unless that changes, we'll never see Ben's again, living or dead.

that policy is old, if they meant it they still wouldn't bring him up, or even use the name. Hell they just did in the X-men/spider-man book. Peter also used his name in friendly neighborhood spider-man.

[kguillou]

Steve Wacker recently said that if they come up with a good story to bring Ben Reilly back with then it could very well happen, so who knows, its a possibility at least. Besides i'm sure by now Marvel is tired of people constantly asking them about Ben Reilly at EVERY comic convention, its obvious he has a large fanbase.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, the kids who first met Spider-Man when Ben was around are starting to get their own disposable incomes and the bad fiscal sense to spend lots of it on comics. ;)

[roach]

why cant there be two spidermen, mans

[kguillou]

Originally Posted By TheCorpulent

Yeah, the kids who first met Spider-Man when Ben was around are starting to get their own disposable incomes and the bad fiscal sense to spend lots of it on comics

HEY, i'm one of the kids pal! :cwink:. I actually started reading Spiderman comics when Ben was in the Spiderman suit. Boy, I was confused as hell because i was trying to correlate the comics with the 90's cartoon at the time. I had no idea what was going on but i loved it! lol

[Jack O Lantern]

Why are people talking about issue 666, you think they have that they have planned that far ahead? That's not until 2012 or something, and that's assuming that they'lll still be doing 3x monthly then

[iloveclones]

Wonder what they have planned for issue 700?

[iloveclones]

Forget that, how about 1000? That baby is gonna be cooooool.

[TheCorpulent1]

And we're all probably gonna be pushing 60 by then. :) "Oh man, ASM #1000 made me crap my pants... literally!"
HEY, i'm one of the kids pal! :cwink:. I actually started reading Spiderman comics when Ben was in the Spiderman suit. Boy, I was confused as hell because i was trying to correlate the comics with the 90's cartoon at the time. I had no idea what was going on but i loved it! lol
I started reading Spider-Man comics a few years before that, but I only became a regular reader around Ben's time. He'll always hold a special place in my heart. It was awesome to see him in X-Men/Spider-Man, too.

[mre]

I believe I started collecting around the time Scarlet Spider showed up.

[Jack O Lantern]

My first issue was the first appearance of the Scarlet Spider.

B.B.B

BRING BACK BEN

[kguillou]

Wow, isnt that ironic? Seems like alot of us started reading around the time of the clone saga, the story that marvel's so ashamed of. Wouldnt that imply that they were doing something right during that time?

[Eros]

Wow, isnt that ironic? Seems like alot of us started reading around the time of the clone saga, the story that marvel's so ashamed of. Wouldnt that imply that they were doing something right during that time?


They attracted attention to the title, which is what all big events are suppose to do.

[WolfCypher]

Wow, isnt that ironic? Seems like alot of us started reading around the time of the clone saga, the story that marvel's so ashamed of. Wouldnt that imply that they were doing something right during that time?
No...it still sucked. But most of us, who did enter around (or right before) the Clone Saga were 5-10ish years old probably. We were young and stupid.

Like me. I was a young reader who was fascinated by Venom so much so that when Marvel kept mass-producing rip0ff Symbiotes every year I ate that s*** up and asked for more.

I loved Ben Reilly back then, then I got older, looked back at that era, and realized most comics, not just Ben Reilly and the Clone Saga, sucked at that time.

My 1st Spider-Man comic was this one issue where Spidey and the Green Goblin fought and GG was trying to sell drugs or something. It may have been a oneshot "After-School Special" anti-drug promotional issue.

[kguillou]

Yeah your prolly right, i think i was about 7-8 years old then. Plus i think the Spiderman Animated Series helped usher in a ton of new fans (like myself) yet it just so happened that the clone saga was running during the time that the cartoon started.

[TheCorpulent1]

Wow, isnt that ironic? Seems like alot of us started reading around the time of the clone saga, the story that marvel's so ashamed of. Wouldnt that imply that they were doing something right during that time?
As others have said, it only implies that we were all younger and less discerning of what's a good story at the time. ;)

[Jack O Lantern]

No it wasn't the story. People were just pissed that the Peter who was Spidey for 20 years was a clone which turned people off. Plus their was Maxium Clonage

[TheCorpulent1]

True, but it was at least partially the story. Some of those stories were pretty crappy. We know from Wally West and Bucky Barnes that other characters can succeed the "main" versions of a hero, but it takes really, really good stories to do it without people getting pissed.

[Eros]

Nobody misses, those maximum carnage,Venom, clone years even alittle? those stories were pure 90s comics. Back then Rob Liefield was king, and Spawn was outselling superman comics.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think you just answered your own question. :o

[Themanofbat]

When the idea that Ben was the "real" Peter Parker, it made me think that my FIRST issue of Amazing Spider-Man that I ever bought and read was the before last appearance of Peter Parker, waaaaaaaay back in ASM #148...

:csad:

[kguillou]

Marvel musta been desperate as hell to pull a stunt like that. Did they really think the fans were going to accept the fact that Peter was a fake all those years? Who the hell was editor in chief at the time??

[spideyboy_1111]

Why are people talking about issue 666, you think they have that they have planned that far ahead? That's not until 2012 or something, and that's assuming that they'lll still be doing 3x monthly then

obviously they have... they just ended an issue (either the recent one, or the jumbo extra #3) with "see you soon at the "sinister 666"

[spideyboy_1111]

Wow, isnt that ironic? Seems like alot of us started reading around the time of the clone saga, the story that marvel's so ashamed of. Wouldnt that imply that they were doing something right during that time?

The clone saga imo was fine, people just didn't like the question of peter being the clone... that and the events after were sooooo horrendous. Honestly Out of the barrage of horrible archs (the other, sins past, one more day) the clone saga is an amazing story. It's like wtf marvel why ignore that, when you wont ignore this stuff that is actually crap?

[imdaly]

To be fair though, they never say issue 666, they are just hyping the 666 group, which could appear anytime before issue 666.

[spideyboy_1111]

To be fair though, they never say issue 666, they are just hyping the 666 group, which could appear anytime before issue 666.

i guess... i think it's safe to assume #666 though imo... BND still has alot going on in the next few months

[kguillou]

I dont think so cause #666 wont be till like 2-3 years from now and i dont think they've planned that far ahead. Even if they did, why would they tease us about that now??

[spideyboy_1111]

I dont think so cause #666 wont be till like 2-3 years from now and i dont think they've planned that far ahead. Even if they did, why would they tease us about that now??

because it's popped up a few times among fandoms... many hoping BND will be "fixed" back to "normal" then.

[Ion Kenshin]

I dont think it is promoting as issues 666 The line itself says.

"It's going to be a big year. American Son, ASM #600, Mysterio, Sinister 666. Anti-Venom .....and "The Man" comes home."


Seems more like a listing of upcoming stories and such.

[kguillou]

Hmmm, could "The Man" be referring to Stan Lee?

[Ion Kenshin]

Hmmm, could "The Man" be referring to Stan Lee?
Hmm didnt think that

[Vanguard07]

Knowing the current state of Marvel, "The Man" will be Baby May, all grown up and post-operation.

[spideyboy_1111]

Knowing the current state of Marvel, "The Man" will be Baby May, all grown up and post-operation.

you know what's sad... if that were true, i'd at least be happy they acknowledged baby may.. they mourned for like 2 issues and she was forgotten :( . Peter and Mj are horrible ass people.

[imdaly]

I thought it was obvious: Stan Lee's returning to write a Spidey story this year. :)

[spideyboy_1111]

hopefully stan makes fun of everything they've done to spidey...

[imdaly]

Before or after OMD? ;)

I'd say getting Stan Lee to write another Spidey story in this post-OMDverse would speak pretty loudly of his approval, wouldn't you think?

[spideyboy_1111]

Before or after OMD? ;)

I'd say getting Stan Lee to write another Spidey story in this post-OMDverse would speak pretty loudly of his approval, wouldn't you think?

not really... he'd write spidey anytime he's able to, and when marvel throws him a bone (when both come together that is) If BND never happened he's still write a story arch eventually.. personal i think its more of a ploy to sell comics

[kguillou]

Eh, no offense to Stan or anything but after reading his Thor story in #600, i'm really not interested in seeing Lee pen anymore stories.

[arachnid-guy]

Was it bad?

[TheCorpulent1]

It was simplistic compared to the more sophisticated storytelling methods of today. Not bad, though.

And I don't think Lee would give a s*** about OMD, BND, or anything else that's happened to Spider-Man. It's all just business to him.

[BlackLantern]

jeezus **** people...enough with the OMD/BND ***** fest already...it's been a year already....I like being able to read consecutive issues of Spider-Man and not have that old hag or the whiny redhead crammed down my throat.....that aside...the whole Menace thing was odd....bad mental image of Goblin sex between Harry and Lilly

[CaptainStacy]

jeezus **** people...enough with the OMD/BND ***** fest already...it's been a year already....I like being able to read consecutive issues of Spider-Man and not have that old hag or the whiny redhead crammed down my throat.....that aside...the whole Menace thing was odd....bad mental image of Goblin sex between Harry and Lilly

Or NORMAN and Lilly. :yay:

[Ion Kenshin]

Or NORMAN and Lilly. :yay:
HOLY ****!!!! I thought the same exact thing :wow: lol

[spideyboy_1111]

jeezus **** people...enough with the OMD/BND ***** fest already...it's been a year already....I like being able to read consecutive issues of Spider-Man and not have that old hag or the whiny redhead crammed down my throat.....that aside...the whole Menace thing was odd....bad mental image of Goblin sex between Harry and Lilly

sorry, we can complain all we want. crap stinks, get use to it. :up:

[venom892]

I don't know if I'm the only one but All I've been doing is buying back issues off ebay for cheap.Stern's Hobgoblin saga,Dematties Spectacular run or a few others here and there.It's a great way to get my spidey fix.:woot:

[TheCorpulent1]

OMD just made me realize that I hadn't really been a big fan of Spider-Man since about halfway through JMS' run, so I just dropped his comics on OMD's third issue and never looked back. I've read one Spider-Man story--Maximum Carnage--since then, and that was only because I wanted a simple, uncomplicated good vs. evil story and I realized I'd never actually read Maximum Carnage all the way through.

[BlackLantern]

I followed 'Maximum Carnage' all the way through when it first ran....the grocery store near my house then got new comics on schedule and this was when Spidey had 4 titles

[BlackLantern]

sorry, we can complain all we want. crap stinks, get use to it. :up:

but this seems to be a whole new level of complaining....but it is the Hype and the internet....so Ill deal.....but I think the death threats to Joe Q and the Spider-Man staff is a bit much

[Scarecrow_King]

maximum carnage was too long for me. the story didn't hold my interest enough to warrant reading it all. but i did play the Sega Genesis game...which rocked my world.

[BlackLantern]

maximum carnage was too long for me. the story didn't hold my interest enough to warrant reading it all. but i did play the Sega Genesis game...which rocked my world.

14 parts is a lot for comic books, even by todays standards

[TheCorpulent1]

I read it in trade form recently. Number of parts doesn't really mean much in that context.

[venom892]

I have the trade and I liked the story too.That was Carnage last hurrah really since then he was just as abused as venom until sentry tore through him.

[Scarecrow_King]

i just feel like the story was kinda slow. the whole time Spidey was just running around saying "I hope I find Carnage before he kills too many people".

I really did like the interaction between Venom and Spiderman though. I've always preferred Venom having his love of innocents/innocence.

I hate Mac Gargan as Venom. why did they have to take the symbiote away from Brock?

[TheCorpulent1]

Because Mark Millar wanted to.

[Blader5489]

And Eddie Brock's Venom is a ****** character.

[TheCorpulent1]

Not really, but he has had a lot of s***ty periods in his existence. That's mostly due to the '90s, when he was at the height of his popularity and everything was s***ty.

[Tron Bonne]

jeezus **** people...enough with the OMD/BND ***** fest already...it's been a year already....I like being able to read consecutive issues of Spider-Man and not have that old hag or the whiny redhead crammed down my throat

Hah, boy I'd say you are in for a serious disappointment. I think this is a controversy that is going to be going on in the comic community until it gets fixed. I think it's like the whole Hal Jordan going nuts thing DC had, it won't stop until someone does something to clean it up. Since I think most liked this supposed 'whiny redhead'.

Anyway, is anyone else glad this Character's Assassination arc is over? Seriously, this was a ****** little mini-event

[spideyboy_1111]

Hah, boy I'd say you are in for a serious disappointment. I think this is a controversy that is going to be going on in the comic community until it gets fixed. I think it's like the whole Hal Jordan going nuts thing DC had, it won't stop until someone does something to clean it up. Since I think most liked this supposed 'whiny redhead'.

Anyway, is anyone else glad this Character's Assassination arc is over? Seriously, this was a ****** little mini-event

yeah the whole arc felt like it took forever, mainly because most of the events have been building up since issue 1 of BND

[Franklin Richards]

The Torch is next right?


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[Tron Bonne]

The Torch is next right?


:ff: :ff: :ff:

Yep

[Eros]

Its weird Peter Parker is the same age as cyclops,Beast,Jean Grey, and Ice-man etc yet he acts like hes 16.

[iloveclones]

^ The same could be said about a lot here at the Hype....

[Eros]

^ The same could be said about a lot here at the Hype....

true....I suppose.

[Jack O Lantern]

The Torch is next right?


:ff: :ff: :ff:

No. The Spot is tomorrow, the torch is in two weeks

[Tron Bonne]

No. The Spot is tomorrow, the torch is in two weeks

Oh, oops, my bad then.

[fifthfiend]

So since we all agree that ASM is horse****, howsabout that Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon they're doin?

I finally caught some episodes of this and holy hell it's actually good? Like in every way every other Spider-thing has sucked or been less than good, this is totally good.

Immediately after I found out how great it was I found out they've put it on hiatus and it probably ain't coming back. I was all like "what the hell, how could they possibly do that?" and then I saw that Greg Weisman is in charge of it and I was like "Oh that's why".

I mean getting to do two seasons of awesome, pitch-perfect animated entertainment and then he gets completely dicked over on season three is like, line one of his contract with Satan, so I guess I can't complain.

[Ion Kenshin]

So since we all agree that ASM is horse****, howsabout that Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon they're doin?

I finally caught some episodes of this and holy hell it's actually good? Like in every way every other Spider-thing has sucked or been less than good, this is totally good.

Immediately after I found out how great it was I found out they've put it on hiatus and it probably ain't coming back. I was all like "what the hell, how could they possibly do that?" and then I saw that Greg Weisman is in charge of it and I was like "Oh that's why".

I mean getting to do two seasons of awesome, pitch-perfect animated entertainment and then he gets completely dicked over on season three is like, line one of his contract with Satan, so I guess I can't complain.
pretty broad generalization there.....

[TheCorpulent1]

So since we all agree that ASM is horse****, howsabout that Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon they're doin?

I finally caught some episodes of this and holy hell it's actually good? Like in every way every other Spider-thing has sucked or been less than good, this is totally good.

Immediately after I found out how great it was I found out they've put it on hiatus and it probably ain't coming back. I was all like "what the hell, how could they possibly do that?" and then I saw that Greg Weisman is in charge of it and I was like "Oh that's why".

I mean getting to do two seasons of awesome, pitch-perfect animated entertainment and then he gets completely dicked over on season three is like, line one of his contract with Satan, so I guess I can't complain.
The Gargoyles curse rears its ugly head again for Weisman. I didn't even know about the hiatus until you told me, either. I've been catching up on it and enjoying every episode once I got past the initial distaste of some characters getting recast in weird contexts--Eddie and Peter being old friends, Montana becoming the Shocker, etc. It's a fun cartoon. I think it represents the first time I've actually preferred Gwen over MJ, too. :) Shame that it'll probably fade away into limbo now. :csad:

[Tron Bonne]

So since we all agree that ASM is horse****, howsabout that Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon they're doin?

I wouldn't say it's horse**** at all. It's been a mixed bag, though. Some good, same bad and some downright horrible (I still shudder at that Freak arc, awful!).

Only watched one episode of the new cartoon actually. It didn't seem all that bad although I didn't think it seemed all that great.

[Anubis]

Nah, it's more like mad cow s**t if you ask me.

[Jack O Lantern]

As far as I know Spec Spidey isn't on hiatus. It just hasn't been renewed yet because Season2 hasn't aired in the US yet, and they're not going to renew a show without seeing the ratings

[spideyboy_1111]

Its weird Peter Parker is the same age as cyclops,Beast,Jean Grey, and Ice-man etc yet he acts like hes 16.

actually thats not exactly true either.. beast is the oldest out of those X-men and iceman is the youngest. Iceman is actually about the same age as peter, while the rest are a year or so older. I look at it this way

iceman/spidey/torch - 27-29
jean/scott/emma/angel - 28-31
beast - 32-35 ish (he was the only x-member in college when they started)

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought the Torch was a little bit older than Peter.

[spideyboy_1111]

So since we all agree that ASM is horse****, howsabout that Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon they're doin?

I finally caught some episodes of this and holy hell it's actually good? Like in every way every other Spider-thing has sucked or been less than good, this is totally good.

Immediately after I found out how great it was I found out they've put it on hiatus and it probably ain't coming back. I was all like "what the hell, how could they possibly do that?" and then I saw that Greg Weisman is in charge of it and I was like "Oh that's why".

I mean getting to do two seasons of awesome, pitch-perfect animated entertainment and then he gets completely dicked over on season three is like, line one of his contract with Satan, so I guess I can't complain.

it really was just one season by normal season standards... twas a good show though, didn't care for most character designs, but it def captured a classic spidey.

[spideyboy_1111]

I thought the Torch was a little bit older than Peter.

nah i'm pretty sure torch/iceman/spidey are all the same age...

from wiki In the early 1960s, he starred in a series of solo adventures, published in Strange Tales. He is also a friend and frequent ally of Spider-Man, who is approximately the same age as the Torch.

[Scarecrow_King]

the one thing I don't like about the new cartoon is how they're mixing some character's identities. i can get past bad character designs, because i'm more of a story person than an art person. same goes for comics.

so when they make Montana the Shocker and whoever they made Rhino the Rhino, I get a little peeved. but all in all, i'm completely surprised at how much I like the show.

[spideyboy_1111]

i thought rhino was actually correct... Alex O'hirn or something like that

[moraldeficiency]

I actually liked a lot of the character designs. It gave a much more believable sense to why pete was fighting new metahumans every weak then the old excuse of yet another accident with radiation/chemicals/etc.

[TheCorpulent1]

I like the new origins but not too many of the visual designs. It bugs me how there are unnecessary lines all over, for one thing, especially in the arms. The extra lines make all the people look like giant action figures.

[Ion Kenshin]

I like the new origins but not too many of the visual designs. It bugs me how there are unnecessary lines all over, for one thing, especially in the arms. The extra lines make all the people look like giant action figures.
That I can deal with. The eyes still kinda bug me out sometimes though. They all look like they are shrooming. :hehe:

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh yeah, the eyes are just creepy. Peter's eyes actually sort of scare me in close-ups.

[Ion Kenshin]

Oh yeah, the eyes are just creepy. Peter's eyes actually sort of scare me in close-ups.
It's really weird sometimes. Like the eyes in the mask are being permanently (sp?) becoming the way his face is.

[moraldeficiency]

We all need to get high and what the cartoon.

[Ion Kenshin]

We all need to get high and what the cartoon.
I do that already :woot:

[moraldeficiency]

so do I, but I said "we", like as a collective grouping.

[Ion Kenshin]

so do I, but I said "we", like as a collective grouping.
Ahhh okay.

[venom892]

I loved the first season.I saw the first episode of season 2 and Mysterio was fantastic.

[kguillou]

I dunno I just dont think that saturation is a good thing, i'm a firm believer in "too much of a good thing is not good for you". I'm loving Dark Reign, i just dont think its necessary to have so many tie-ins and minis.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, Marvel and DC have been saturating the market with big events and tie-ins for about 5 years straight now, and sales are still pretty strong.

[kguillou]

Ah! i posted that in the wrong thread! I meant it for the Marel June previews, oh well, my bad lol.

[Themanofbat]

Well... I liked the "Return of the Spot"... good ol'fashioned one issue story... :up:

:yay:

[JustABill]

"BORIS! Big gun is perfect for hunting moose and squirrel."
"YES! Natasha! Soon Moose will be stuffed and mounted over fireplace."
''Wait..."
''Should I do that?"
"Is that racist?"

:hehe:

[Ion Kenshin]

did anyone catch Egon in the panel at the Feast center?

[bryanss3]

^^yeah lol this issue was really funny

[Jack O Lantern]

The TDK stuff cracked me up.

"I am the Spider, I own the night."

[kguillou]

*Sigh* looks like we're gonna be waiting a while for some OMD answers guys this is from Quesada's Cup O Joe:

JQ: The stuff we talked about includes some more possible “One More Day” stuff. And that is all I can say.


Ah heck, who am I kidding, we discussed exactly when we’re going to answer many of the big questions about what happen after One More Day and how it all work. I’ve mentioned many times in the past that only one major thing changed because of the events in OMD. The wedding never happened and we’re finally going to tell you that story in an arc of Amazing. But, now I can come clean and let out a little more info as we get closer and closer to telling this story. There is a second, very big thing that didn’t happen because of One More Day. I know, I suck, but I’m going to leave it there. These and many other questions will be resolved in a four-issue story arc. The downside is that because of certain things that are happening in Spidey’s life, some stories were shifted for back and forth in order to have most impact and emotional resonance and this particular story looks like it will be moved to 2010. There’s a creative team involved and locked in and all four scripts are in, I’ve seen and read them, so I know they exists. If I had my druthers I’d say lets tell this story now, but there’s a better time and place.

[BlackLantern]

does anyone care about the ASM that has Obama in it?? I have a first printing

[TheCorpulent1]

*Sigh* looks like we're gonna be waiting a while for some OMD answers guys this is from Quesada's Cup O Joe:
Just give it up, dude. Either get over the reality-f***wittage of OMD and enjoy the Spider-Man comics for what they are now or drop 'em altogether. Waiting for explanations to pounce on and analyze to death is just gonna drive you crazy.

[kguillou]

I want to dude, believe me i do, but they've changed some profound things about the character so its very hard to ignore. Like, imagine if Greg Pak said " Sorry guys i'm not gonna explain why Rhodey is a robot, he just is ok? Deal with it!" Its the same wit spidey, you cant make big changes to a character and never address them.

[TheCorpulent1]

Pak basically did do that, only it wasn't about Rhodey being a cyborg, it was about Rhodey being a murderous psychopath. So I dropped the book. :)

[kguillou]

Haha you just proved my point bro. lol. But i love spiderman, i dont want to drop it but i feel like marvel is seriously f***in around here.

[Jack O Lantern]

It sounds like Dark Reign has got in the way. :(

[Anubis]

Haha you just proved my point bro. lol. But i love spiderman, i dont want to drop it but i feel like marvel is seriously f***in around here.

You should love the money that you're spending more than Spider-Man. It's cheaper.

[Vanguard07]

Pak basically did do that, only it wasn't about Rhodey being a cyborg, it was about Rhodey being a murderous psychopath. So I dropped the book. :)


Actually they DID address him becoming a murderous psychopath in the latest issue.

[Anubis]

What was his reasons?

[Vanguard07]

It's apparently a side effect of sorts of his cyborg status. I dont have it in front of me and i'd have to read it again in order to give you any real details.

Basically though, the computers and such that are running in his brain now at all times, are constantly feeding him information about every war crime the guys he runs into have ever committed and it's driving him crazy.

to paraphrase (badly most likely): "half the info i get fed on these guys, anybody with the internet and some patience could find too, the difference is, i get it right away, and unlike the people looking it up on the internet, i dont get to look away. It's just planted in my brain. Every murder, every rape, every atrocity and it's all i can do to not do something about it every second"

Basically he's losing his grip on his humanity because of all the machine parts.

[Anubis]

Ah, well, that makes sense. Though I doubt Corpy will see it that way.

[Vanguard07]

Him being Robocop and Punisher's murderous bastard lovechild had me pretty skeptical at first too. (I stuck around for Ares' appearance)

The way they presented it in the last couple issues though, it's making more and more sense and with this last issue, I think they've officially brought me on board.

[Scarecrow_King]

have they ever explicitly said that Gwen is dead in BND? I haven't really kept up with it that closely.

[TheCorpulent1]

The cyborg angle would've been fine, and I do concede that the book has been getting a little bit better with each issue, but there are still problems. If the cyborg-ness is the problem, why wasn't there even the slightest hint of his present murder-loving attitude in A:TI, when he was already a cyborg? Plus, Pak just retconned in a heavy implication that Rhodey's had murderous impulses ever since he was a child in the last issue, so he's effectively contradicting himself. Plus x 2, even if Rhodey himself is only a murderous psychopath because of the cyborg-ness, his entire supporting cast is a bunch of bloodthirsty bastards anyway.

And then Pak infected Ares with Ultimo. That's just f***ed up right there. :o

[bryanss3]

have they ever explicitly said that Gwen is dead in BND? I haven't really kept up with it that closely.

Gwen is dead. they offered the writing staff Gwen when BND began and they all said no. she is going to stay dead.


I'm confused about this Warmachine conversation in the ASM thread

[Anubis]

for the foreseeable future that is....

[TheCorpulent1]

Gwen is dead. they offered the writing staff Gwen when BND began and they all said no. she is going to stay dead.


I'm confused about this Warmachine conversation in the ASM thread
Tangents crop up now and then. Move along and discuss your arachnid peoples. Nothing to see here.

[Anubis]

Besides, Warmachine's more interesting than a dead character like Spider-Man at this point. :o

[bryanss3]

I'm not complaining I just came in and it was all about Warmachine. how is the new series? I haven't read any of it yet but I have all 4 issues in the pile of stuff I still need to read

[TheCorpulent1]

Depends on how accepting you are of Pak's changes to the character. If you like them, you'll probably like the series. If not, you won't. It's a very extreme sort of series that seems to fall into the "love it or hate it" column.

[Anubis]

That depends. Do you care whether or not Rhody is suddenly a cyborg murderer and Gods are suddenly susceptible to human ailments?

[bryanss3]

what happens to Ares in this?

[TheCorpulent1]

He's infected with a techno-organic virus based on Iron Man's old enemy Ultimo. It turns him and a bunch of humans into mindless killing machines.

[Anubis]

This.


And then Pak infected Ares with Ultimo. That's just f***ed up right there. :o

[bryanss3]

is he part robot for the time being or is he just in a crazy killer mode?

[kguillou]

Originally posted by Anubis

Besides, Warmachine's more interesting than a dead character like Spider-Man at this point. :o

OUCH. Hahaha.:woot:

[TheCorpulent1]

is he part robot for the time being or is he just in a crazy killer mode?
Sort of. He's got shiny liquid metal veins all over his body and I think his eyes are red (I don't have the issue in front of me).

[bryanss3]

I'll probably read it later tonight. in the last issue of Iron Man thats the Rhodey clone right?

[Spider-Jay420]

So uh, Spider-Man....

I just read the finale to Character Assination, I thought it was alright. I thought maybe Bendis wrote this with the way Spidey got his ass kicked by a chick whose been a supervillian for a few months. I liked New Ways To Die better. I'm looking forward to Harry's Goblin deal and the American Son arc.

I am curious what you guys thought about, when Pete was about to be decapitated by Menace, and he thinks of "Gwen. I'll see you soon."

I was hoping maybe a mention of MJ. but I guess not. I know Gwen was his destiny, but not even a thought of MJ? Bummer.

[chris moore]

Cos MJ's not dead

[bryanss3]

^^^ I know thats kinda rough. that the Woman he was not married to anymore but loved just the same until they broke up can't even get a shout out as a last thought.


good news spidey 600 is gonna be 104 pages with no reprints or marvel handbook pages either.

[TheCorpulent1]

Is it really any surprise that the current writers of Spider-Man consider Gwen to be Peter's one, true love? She's dead, so it won't ever actually amount to anything, and they clearly weren't big fans of MJ as his one, true love because they magically divorced the two of them. At this rate, MJ will be little more than a footnote in another decade or so.

[kguillou]

Really? NO ads or reprints? Sweet. Where'd you get the info?

[Dark Spidey]

Hey I have a question about the recently concluded "Character Assassination" arc that nobody seems to want to answer for me in the Spidey comics forum, so I thought i'd try this thread instead...

During the course of the story it is mentioned many times that Spider-Man's capture would ensure a victory for Hollister to become Mayor. Which it does. Can anyone tell me why this is? When it was Crowne that publicly took a stand against Spidey, even so far as sending the Thunderbolts after him in "New Ways To Die". So with Spidey finally behind bars, surely Crowne would gain the advantage in the polls.

Could somebody please, please, please explain to me what i'm missing here? Please.

[Spider-Jay420]

I don't know, but maybe Crowne sending the T-Bolts is why? Ya know, even with Osborn's goon squad tearing up the city, they still couldn't catch Spidey. So it blew up in his face.

The whole arc, and series for that matter, has been pro Hollister all the way, but I think whoever managed to arrest Spidey would've been elected Mayor.

[Dark Spidey]

Yeah but that's my point. What hand did Hollister have in Spidey's capture? None. I just don't get why it resulted in him getting the boost in votes rather than Crowne.

Unless... people were only voting for Crowne because they believed he was the guy that could stop the Tracer killings and in turn bring Spidey to justice. So with Spidey already caught, there's no need to vote for Crowne anymore and they vote for Hollister! :o

[Spider-Jay420]

Yeah, and I don't get why Spidey being arrested in front of Hollister's Campaign Headquarters gives Hollister voting credit with the people? Doesn't make a lotta sense to me either...

Like you said, Hollister didn't do anything.

*scratches head*

Unless Marvel public is really that stupid,

"Spider-Man got shackled in front of Hollister's, so that's who I'm votin' for. If he was arrested in front of Crowne's place, I'd have voted for him instead."

[bryanss3]

Is it really any surprise that the current writers of Spider-Man consider Gwen to be Peter's one, true love? She's dead, so it won't ever actually amount to anything, and they clearly weren't big fans of MJ as his one, true love because they magically divorced the two of them. At this rate, MJ will be little more than a footnote in another decade or so.
Thats not the case the current writer's didn't write OMD. They're just working with the world Spidey is currently in. MJ is supposed to be coming back into the cast around 600ish. at least thats the rumor.



Really? NO ads or reprints? Sweet. Where'd you get the info?

I never said no ads their might be some of those.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx2GkglQuco&feature=channel
at5:26 from Steve Wacker

[TheCorpulent1]

Thats not the case the current writer's didn't write OMD. They're just working with the world Spidey is currently in. MJ is supposed to be coming back into the cast around 600ish. at least thats the rumor.
The current writers, by and large, agree with the direction OMD took Peter in. Specifically on the Gwen front: Mark Waid wrote House of M: Spider-Man a few years ago and basically did the same thing. Gwen was the ultimate fulfillment of Peter's dreams in there, too. This was when he was still married to MJ, even. :o

[bryanss3]

yeah because ultimately if Gwen didn't die Pete would never have been with MJ. it's not that they felt he loves Gwen more than he loves MJ it's the fact that she died because of him in his mind. She was his first love. If your first love died because of you do you think 20 years later in your head you'd still wish it never happened. Well HOM it happened and Pete would've never been with MJ if Gwen didn't die.

[TheCorpulent1]

Right, because there's no conceivable way Peter and Gwen could've grown apart over the years. Everyone in the world marries their high school sweetheart and is 100% happy with them for the rest of their lives.

If Peter ends up with another woman in his deepest dream, it's a pretty clear sign that the writer is telling you he doesn't really love MJ as much as he does this other woman. So, in effect, HoM basically said that MJ and Peter's marriage exists solely because of Gwen's death, not because Peter actually, you know, wanted to be married to MJ.

[bryanss3]

Good thing Gwen's not Peter's high School sweetheart.
No he eventually moved on with his life. He never forgot Gwen, but she is dead. was he supposed to become a eunuch? sorry if they believe the 2 character's truly did love each other and if Gwen didn't die they'd still be together. That doesn't mean Pete and MJ's love isn't just as true. But Joe Quesada didn't care about that.

[Themanofbat]

Geezus Christ.... even JMS wrote Peter as thinking of Gwen after a beat down right in front of MJ... (see ASM #514)... it's just basic fact... in Marvel's eyes, Peter & Gwen were meant to be their version of Lois & Clark, and it never will, which makes her death all that much more tragic... even during the 20 year marriage, Spidey-Writers would make Peter think of Gwen in some form or another, so it's not just the "current" crop...

Your the "comic-guy" Corps... get yer facts straight... :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

:yay:

[moraldeficiency]

Alright a couple quick points of clarification:

One, in HOM spider-man yeah he did have that gwen thing but that was also the reality where pete became the Green Goblin, so I'd say there were issues all over the board there.

Two, and anyone that's ever read a spider-man comic ever will tell you this, if pete's about to die the person he's gonna be thinking about meeting is always, always, always gonna be uncle ben. To say otherwise is just a mistake.

I read the last two issues at that store and here's my quick thoughts:

CA: Wow, why was pete even in this issue, cause aside from breaking out of jail he didn't do jack ****. Pete thinking of gwen rather than uncle ben was just a dropped ball. Pete giving up and accepting death like that was pretty said but consistant with his BN character. Damn everything is ****** for pete, he's like matt murdock without the sex or money.

The Spot: Damn Lente can write a proper story. It was funny, he avoided dealing with Peter Parker and his problems by only having him in a page and a half. The I am the spider jokes were priceless and Lente actually made the Spot seem much more dangerous without falling into the trap of doing this by making Pete clown shoes. The confession thing was funny as hell.

Extra: Gugg really is all over with characterization. WTF harry? You blame yourself, your father and Spider-man alternately for everything. Do you wake up every morning and roll dice to see who you're *****ing about today? Didn't you just save Spider-man because menance is your family's fault?

Kelly wrote a pretty good Norman story which was the highlight.

I think there was another story but I can't even remember what it was about so it must have been bland.

[Franklin Richards]

Preview over at Newsarama for

Amazing Spider-Man #590 (http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=26942)

Amazing Spider-Man #590 by Dan Slott and Barry Kitson. The solicitation for the issue reads: FACE FRONT Part 1 of 2 An adventure from Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four's past is about to have a profound effect on their future...That's if Spidey and the Torch can stop fighting long enough to notice! What's the cosmic-level rift that's dividing two of the Marvel U.'s best friends? Plus, a dark turn for Harry Osborn. A new role for Mr. Negative. And the start of a story that's going to effect almost every title at Marvel Comics! We kid you not!!! Rated A …$2.99


You can see the 6 page preview but the most important shot is this one right here.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/FFSpideyFaceFront.jpg



I KID YOU NOT!



:ff: :ff: :ff:

[Congo Jack]

I'm not a big Kitson fan, but the art in #590 looks very good, and very well suited to the story. The opening pages with them as a family being contrasted with the recent unsteady relationship should play out nicely. This also continues in the vain of Slott's SPIDER-MAN/HUMAN TORCH showing an untold story from the past.

I'm looking forward to it.

[arachnid-guy]

I did get tearful when Johnny mentioned Pete by name. Ahh.

[Anubis]

Wow, that might actually be worth buying.

[Alastor]

I've always enjoyed Pete's and Johnny's team-ups, and his relationship with the team overall. If Spider-Man is going to be on or associated with a team, it should be the FF, not complaining about him on the Avengers. It'd be nice if his scientific background was used with the Avengers though. So yeah, this issue looks great! I've been impressed with Amazing for awhile now, and this issue shouldnt disappoint.

[Tron Bonne]

Geezus Christ.... even JMS wrote Peter as thinking of Gwen after a beat down right in front of MJ... (see ASM #514)... it's just basic fact... in current Marvel's eyes, Peter & Gwen were meant to be their version of Lois & Clark, and it never will, which makes her death all that much more tragic... even during the 20 year marriage, Spidey-Writers would make Peter think of Gwen in some form or another, so it's not just the "current" crop...

Your the "comic-guy" Corps... get yer facts straight... :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

:yay:

Fix'd. We'll leave it to the next batch of writers to enter the market to see how solid this view is outside nostalgia and older fans. Well, if the comic medium survives long enough to see a new batch of writers

[Congo Jack]

Good Slott interview at CBR: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20605

[The Joker]

Good Slott interview at CBR: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20605

My favourite parts:


Once “Face Front” finishes, readers won't have to wait too long to see Slott's next “Amazing Spider-Man” issue. The writer will make his return to the title with the giant-size “Amazing Spider-Man” #600. “Spidey #600 is going to be a blast! One of [Spider-Man editor] Steve Wacker's current passions is making #600 one of the biggest, thickest comics known to man and packing it with all-new material. No reprints! Having this giant tome of Spidey-Love barreling at you! I believe we’ve already leaked that I'm working on a Doc Ock story. And I'm going to sound sappy but I don't care, the first comic I read where I kind of got choked up and cried as a kid was the issue with the death of Captain Stacy. Along with his origin that's my favorite Doc Ock story. I really feel honored to be working with such an iconic and important Spider-Man character—and on a centennial issue!

“Since I'm working on issue #600, I owe it the readers to take my best shot at telling the best Spidey and Doc Ock story I can. The page count on this is enormous and there will be an important moment, a landmark in the lives of these characters. Plus there will be plenty of other surprises and guest stars. I'm really trying to tell a big anniversary story. This is me trying to step up and write a movie-worthy script for a Spidey/Doc Ock adventure, and I'm really excited about that.”

Sounds like we're in for one hell of a Doc Ock story :otto:

[hippie_hunter]

Preview over at Newsarama for

Amazing Spider-Man #590 (http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=26942)




You can see the 6 page preview but the most important shot is this one right here.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/FFSpideyFaceFront.jpg



I KID YOU NOT!



:ff: :ff: :ff:
Not really because the preview says that happened a while ago and Slott has said the story deals with the Fantastic Four wondering why they don't remember who Spider-Man is even though they should.

Also Marvel has said that the world remembers that Spider-Man unmasked himself and revealed his identity. They just don't remember his face or name.

The only people who know who Spider-Man is are the New Avengers.

[Themanofbat]

Fix'd. We'll leave it to the next batch of writers to enter the market to see how solid this view is outside nostalgia and older fans. Well, if the comic medium survives long enough to see a new batch of writers

When are these "new writers" going to enter the market?

We've had Peter going to the bridge in 1987 telling "Gwen" that he & MJ were going to marry, but that his heart was still with her...

During the 90's and parts of the Clone Saga, we've had plenty of Gwen stuff in there as well as Peter's affections towards her, even if he didn't do anything...

We had Spider-Man: Blue about 8 years ago that showed Peter's deep feelings towards a now dead for 30 years Gwen...

And during JMS' Sins Past (wouldn't JMS be considered a new writer in the market?), as Peter passes out from a battle with the Grey Goblin, he holds onto MJ's hand and utters the word..."Gwen..."

This is NOT a "current" Marvel opinion... it's been one that they've held onto for over 35 years... but you're right... JQ wanted to bring Gwen back and all the writers said "no"... but when all the old people are gone, and new younger ones who have little to no respect for tradition and characterization come in (or at maybe the ones that like to kiss JQ arse), maybe then you can get your hopes up...

:csad:

[moraldeficiency]

We had Spider-Man: Blue about 8 years ago that showed Peter's deep feelings towards a now dead for 30 years Gwen...


Loeb doesn't count and you know it.

[AndrewGol]

My son has his latest reviews up. Two of them are Spidey specific (Amazing 589 and New Avengers 51), along with Muppet Show #1. He can get spoilery so beware if you haven't read the issues yet.

http://kidscomicbooks.blogspot.com/

[Tron Bonne]

We've had Peter going to the bridge in 1987 telling "Gwen" that he & MJ were going to marry, but that his heart was still with her...

During the 90's and parts of the Clone Saga, we've had plenty of Gwen stuff in there as well as Peter's affections towards her, even if he didn't do anything...

We had Spider-Man: Blue about 8 years ago that showed Peter's deep feelings towards a now dead for 30 years Gwen...

And during JMS' Sins Past (wouldn't JMS be considered a new writer in the market?), as Peter passes out from a battle with the Grey Goblin, he holds onto MJ's hand and utters the word..."Gwen..."

But you're only taking a few stories to bend it to you're own mindset. There's been plenty of those similar proclaiming his love for MJ, there was even one story I believe where Peter specificly says one of his only reasons to keep going is her. I can't tell you the arcs or names right off the bat, but I know they're there.

So do those not count or is the Gwen stories more significant? Absolutely not when you look at it unbiasly.


When are these "new writers" going to enter the market?

Most of them I'm sure are already there, but they haven't been moved up to top tier status or strong positions to change something.

By old 'writers' I mean those who grew up with Single Spidey or Spidey with Gwen and liked it better that way even though it actually wasn't. JMS may be new to the comic field, but I'm sure he grew up with that nostalgia in mind. For now we can call it the Geoff Johns syndrome. It's the same situation with what's happened to Green Lantern and what's currently happening in Flash. A group of top tiers grow up with this and want to convert it back to what they remember as 'thier' stuff. So what happens when a new group who grow up with MJ and is fond of that era more then this, say someone my age who is able to break into comics and become top tier? Maybe nothing, but we'll see

This is NOT a "current" Marvel opinion... it's been one that they've held onto for over 35 years... but you're right... JQ wanted to bring Gwen back and all the writers said "no"... but when all the old people are gone, and new younger ones who have little to no respect for tradition and characterization come in (or at maybe the ones that like to kiss JQ arse), maybe then you can get your hopes up...
:csad:

MJ and Spidey have been together for years and it's worked fine. When we had the 90s cartoons, who was the main love interest? MJ. When we had the movies, who was the main love interest? MJ. When you ask the average non-comic reading fan who's Spidey's love interest, who are they going to say? I'd say a good 90% or more will tell you MJ.

The Gwen stuff is no more traditional or classic or what have you then the MJ stuff. That's just nostalgia talking, and it sure as hell wouldn't be any less of a betrayal to characterization then what's occured in OMD.

Edited because I think it sounded so mean after I re-read it

[Themanofbat]

I'm not suggesting that MJ isn't a main love interest to Peter, but at the end of the day, regardless of what happened to break them up, MJ is still alive and can still "become" Peter's love interest... Gwen, on the otherhand, cannot, so she still gets the homage when Peter thinks he's going to die...his feelings for both are strong, but when death comes'a calling, he tends to think of her, and rightfully so...

:yay:

[moraldeficiency]

You forget about zombies, TMOB.

[Eros]

Gwen stacy is dead, has been for 2 generations. M.J. picked up the slack, and is spider-man love now. Thats what happens people die, and peter will never stop loving gwen, but she died, and he moved on.

[Themanofbat]

You forget about zombies, TMOB.

Hot Damn....

I actually cannot wait for Marvel Zombies IV because it will feature all my favorite old school Marvel monsters... Werewolf by Night, Man-Thing, etc...

:yay:

[Themanofbat]

Gwen stacy is dead, has been for 2 generations. M.J. picked up the slack, and is spider-man love now. Thats what happens people die, and peter will never stop loving gwen, but she died, and he moved on.

Nobody is suggesting otherwise, but as you stated, "peter will never stop loving gwen", so why is it such a big deal if Peter thinks of Gwen when he thinks he's going to die?

People move on from death every day, but "moving on" doesn't equate to "stop loving and replace"...

:yay:

[Tron Bonne]

I'm not suggesting that MJ isn't a main love interest to Peter, but at the end of the day, regardless of what happened to break them up, MJ is still alive and can still "become" Peter's love interest... Gwen, on the otherhand, cannot, so she still gets the homage when Peter thinks he's going to die...his feelings for both are strong, but when death comes'a calling, he tends to think of her, and rightfully so...

:yay:

Ok, well, I must have misread what you were saying.

[Themanofbat]

Hmmmmmmmmmm... after reading Part One of the FF 2 parter, I have a pretty good idea who the other person in the "we" equation is that helped Peter make everybody forget his identity revelation...

:yay:

[bryanss3]

who do you think it is?

[arachnid-guy]

Hrm. "REED" the book and see for yourself.

[Tron Bonne]

Yeah, Reed was the impression I got as well. Wonder if it'll end up being a red herring, though

[arachnid-guy]

Yeah, Reed was the impression I got as well. Wonder if it'll end up being a red herring, though

Or perhaps a REED herring? :o



(i'll shut the door behind me!)

[moraldeficiency]

After paging through the book I've got a few thoughts:

Loved the pete reed interactions.

When did pete decide to just be a complete dick to his best friends. He shoved johnny because he was upset that he ****ed with Johnny's mind? WTF.

If the other person isn't reed, then reed is probably the dumbest smart guy in history. He knows his mind has been ****ed with but has no idea why? Though if it is reed then why did he bring it up when they first approached him?

So Clint barton as ronin tells pete to unmask in NA and he's cool with that but his best friend asks and pete just cannot do it. Again, WTF.

All that said this is probably the best single issue since BND. Loved seeing Johnny light pete's head on fire, that was well deserved.

[Tron Bonne]

Yeah, they have a big load explaining why Peter is so gung-ho that no one knows his identity anymore, especially including those who he willingly gave that info to before, without it being incredibly stupid or eye-rolling

[Themanofbat]

I would say that NA #51 takes place after the ASM/FF 2 parter...

:yay:

[Franklin Richards]

...and yet Alicia and her old boyfriend from the Thing series is there. Is this after the Teachers of Doom arc over in FF or WAY before. Like before Civil War. Kinda confusing since the FF Mag is behind the current timeline.


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[moraldeficiency]

...and yet Alicia and her old boyfriend from the Thing series is there. Is this after the Teachers of Doom arc over in FF or WAY before. Like before Civil War. Kinda confusing since the FF Mag is behind the current timeline.


:ff: :ff: :ff:

I'd say that was slott giving millar the finger for messing with his excellent and fun series. I'm gonna say this is after the current FF stuff, which doesn't seem grounded in anything.

[Themanofbat]

I'd say that was slott giving millar the finger for messing with his excellent and fun series. I'm gonna say this is after the current FF stuff, which doesn't seem grounded in anything.

Heh... I'll agree with you on that... :yay:

[Kevin]

So, what did Johnny see? I'm sure as hell it wasn't Peter's face. Maybe another mask?

[Ion Kenshin]

I thought that too but the panel before johnny is looking at him you see that he is pulling the mask off and there is nothing unless under. Unless he was wearing a mask that only covers the front of his face under his regular one.

[Vanguard07]

He could have made a web mask while he had his back turned lol

[wobbly]

Hrm. "REED" the book and see for yourself.

Reed does have some experience in this kind of thing: He helped the world completely forget about the Sentry and his Watchtower, with the latter having been 'invisible' to millions of New Yorkers for years.
It wouldn't be a 'stretch' for him to have used something similar to erase the memory of Spider-Mans identity from the world too.

[random_havoc]

Reed does have some experience in this kind of thing: He helped the world completely forget about the Sentry and his Watchtower, with the latter having been 'invisible' to millions of New Yorkers for years.
It wouldn't be a 'stretch' for him to have used something similar to erase the memory of Spider-Mans identity from the world too.

I beat you guys to posting this theory, or actually a bit of a different version of it. Here's what I posted on the April 1st Spoilers thread 2 days ago:

I'm only vaguely following ASM as I refuse to buy it again until they fix what they did with OMD, but I have a theory about the whole mindwipe thing: Who else has wiped out the memories of people around the world in recent Marvel history? Sentry (though Reed was supposed to have helped him with that in some way from what I recall of the original Sentry mini)

[random_havoc]

So I guess my theory was Sentry rather than Reed. I guess Reed is the more likely option, but i think Sentry is a also a logical possibility and would be a better/more surprising (for most people) twist.

[wobbly]

If I remember right Reed came up with the idea and they both used Cloc to set up the 'hypnotic' transmitter (I think it was powered by Sentry's 'serum') that made everyone forget about him.

If we are looking at a similar deal here I dont think Sentry will be directly involved: In the original mini he was portrayed as a Reed level genius. These days he seems more than a little confused...

Btw, like yourself I have not been following BND much at all (most of what I have found out has come from these boards). I simply find OMD, and the idea that Mephisto is getting his jollies from Peter and MJ's eternal silent torment no matter what they do in BND, is not something I want to endorse in any way.

[iloveclones]

I beat you guys to posting this theory, or actually a bit of a different version of it. Here's what I posted on the April 1st Spoilers thread 2 days ago:

I'm only vaguely following ASM as I refuse to buy it again until they fix what they did with OMD, but I have a theory about the whole mindwipe thing: Who else has wiped out the memories of people around the world in recent Marvel history? Sentry (though Reed was supposed to have helped him with that in some way from what I recall of the original Sentry mini)

Actually, I beat you. Because you posted that on the 2nd, not the 1st. I did post the following on the 1st:


It's definately plausible. Keep in mind that Professor Richards has some experience in the whole let's make the whole world forget territory. (see Sentry)

I can't wait to see what Johnny sees. (Probably a pixelated face....)

This issue also made me think that Bendis, either:
A) could give a crap about other people's work
B) has no idea how much crap Marvel has been taking to get this genie back in the bottle
C)refuses to follow any rules if it gets in the way of a way-cool super-fantastic scene
D) should take writing lessons from Dan Slott


The answer of course is D), since the others are so obviously fact, that they don't even belong in a multiple choice where there may be even a hint of doubt.



So I win.

[random_havoc]

Actually, I beat you. Because you posted that on the 2nd, not the 1st. I did post the following on the 1st:






So I win.

Dangit! You sank my battleship!

[arachnid-guy]

I think we're all in agreement that Reed COULD part of the "We" Parker references in NWTD.

[CaptainStacy]

So I guess my theory was Sentry rather than Reed. I guess Reed is the more likely option, but i think Sentry is a also a logical possibility and would be a better/more surprising (for most people) twist.

Sentry is currently Norman Osborn's errand-boy...why would he help Peter Parker?

[CaptainStacy]

Actually, I beat you. Because you posted that on the 2nd, not the 1st. I did post the following on the 1st:






So I win.


Actually, here's a post of MINE from over on the Spider-Man forums from March 31st:


"Maybe "We" is Peter and Reed Richards...."


:word:

[iloveclones]

[B.Shatner] CaptainStacyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/B.Shatner]

[mre]

Sentry is currently Norman Osborn's errand-boy...why would he help Peter Parker?

Didn't Sentry die in a recent Dark Avengers issue?

[Tron Bonne]

Even if he's dead now it's been implied that the mind wipe was a few months prior to this. So it's still possible

[TheCorpulent1]

I doubt the Sentry's dead. Didn't he just explode? That shouldn't even slow him down, unless he's in super-emo mode and his powers are at an all-time low.

[bryanss3]

So I just finished watching the Comic Book Club live show on youtube and the assistant editor for ASM said the end reveal for 591 is going to be crazy. He didn't seem like he was just hyping it to hype it's probably a crazy Dan Slott reveal like in Mighty Avengers when the Scarlet Witch was revealed to be Loki. but whatever happens Spider-Man's reaction from the next issue is going to make him believe he has to be Spider-Man 24/7.

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe Aunt May dies. Irony of ironies!

[moraldeficiency]

that would actually get me back on board, it would be the price for the whole stupid deal.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, if OMD were an actual story and not a blatant regression to Joe Q's favorite status quo for Spider-Man, I would've been expecting it. Happened to Johnny Blaze, Marvel's other famous Faustian bargainer.

[Themanofbat]

Well, the price has been their marriage/love, so Mephisto does get something in return... not to mention that Peter's life hasn't been a bucket full of roses during the last year...perhaps an underlying plot line from the "deal" in question?

:yay:

[TheCorpulent1]

No, that's just the nature of Spider-Man. He's never had the greatest luck. He'd be boring if he did.

[Themanofbat]

And perhaps the reason that Peter's life may seem ok to us is because maybe... just maybe, pending on what she whispered to Mephisto, but it's possible that MJ is getting the shaft from the deal as opposed to Peter...

[arachnid-guy]

Well, the price has been their marriage/love, so Mephisto does get something in return... not to mention that Peter's life hasn't been a bucket full of roses during the last year...perhaps an underlying plot line from the "deal" in question?

:yay:

I HOPE they show the fallout. Of course there SHOULD be repercussions and this has the potential to be a VERY good storyline. If Marvel continue it...and not leave it "as it is".

[Themanofbat]

No, that's just the nature of Spider-Man. He's never had the greatest luck. He'd be boring if he did.

Very true... which makes me wonder why everybody is soooooooooo up in arms about the deal... we've seen Peter make mistakes before, we've seen him act "out of character" during times of duress... I'll admit that I'm not a fan of the deal (meaning that OMD was a terrible story imo), but such is the life of Peter Parker and I can move onward in hopes that stories will get better... and in my opinion... they have... 1000%.

Yeppers... that's a thousand, not a typo

:yay:

[Tron Bonne]

Very true... which makes me wonder why everybody is soooooooooo up in arms about the deal... we've seen Peter make mistakes before, we've seen him act "out of character" during times of duress... I'll admit that I'm not a fan of the deal (meaning that OMD was a terrible story imo), but such is the life of Peter Parker and I can move onward in hopes that stories will get better... and in my opinion... they have... 1000%.

Yeppers... that's a thousand, not a typo

:yay:

Acting slightly out of character is not the same as making a goddamn deal with the devil to destroy arguably the greatest thing in one's life for a woman who even told him specifically she'd prefer to die and be with her deceased husband in the afterlife.

And if these are a 1000 times then Spidey stories most have sucked some serious ass because these stories are by no means that great. Unless you just meant the JMS era, in which case, I can agree, but I think that was more his awful ideas as opposed to his marriage to MJ

And come on, you know why everyone is up in arms. It's one thing to have a Parker with ****** luck, but it's totally another to have someone pull down their pants and **** all over 20+ years of continuity with a horrible, horrible unneeded recton. Not to mention more or less eliminating a character that I think it's not a stretch to say many people enjoyed

[moraldeficiency]

Well said tear, the idea of making mistakes is one thing but the idea of such a moronic deal being agreed to by either party is just stupid. Maybe pete paid for it maybe not, but he hasn't paid enough for the faustian bargin to actually work. I don't care what people say, yes I agree right now peter parker is clown shoes and a shadow of his former self (the man just gave up when fighting menance, just rolled over and waited to die, that's the type of heriocs everyone can get behind) but it's not enough. For this to play out correctly, OMD should result in the death of either MJ or aunt may. I'd be back on board after that.

[CaptainStacy]

Acting slightly out of character is not the same as making a goddamn deal with the devil to destroy arguably the greatest thing in one's life for a woman who even told him specifically she'd prefer to die and be with her deceased husband in the afterlife.

And if these are a 1000 times then Spidey stories most have sucked some serious ass because these stories are by no means that great. Unless you just meant the JMS era, in which case, I can agree, but I think that was more his awful ideas as opposed to his marriage to MJ

And come on, you know why everyone is up in arms. It's one thing to have a Parker with ****** luck, but it's totally another to have someone pull down their pants and **** all over 20+ years of continuity with a horrible, horrible unneeded recton. Not to mention more or less eliminating a character that I think it's not a stretch to say many people enjoyed

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/FrenchFryGuy515/crying-baby.jpg

[moraldeficiency]

CS loves crying babies, his computer is stocked with the images. Very disturbing.

Besides tear wasn't nearly as bad as Pete was when he was getting *****slapped by chick goblin version 7.93 with pentium processor chip for advanced goblin knock off suckitude.

[CaptainStacy]

CS loves crying babies, his computer is stocked with the images. Very disturbing.


I also have howling coyotes:

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q110/omagnas/Coyotes/shutterstock_899478.jpg

[arachnid-guy]

CS loves crying babies, his computer is stocked with the images. Very disturbing.

Besides tear wasn't nearly as bad as Pete was when he was getting *****slapped by chick goblin version 7.93 with pentium processor chip for advanced goblin knock off suckitude.

Sin's Past?

[Themanofbat]

Acting slightly out of character is not the same as making a goddamn deal with the devil to destroy arguably the greatest thing in one's life for a woman who even told him specifically she'd prefer to die and be with her deceased husband in the afterlife.

Even though she said it was her time for Peter to let her go, as we all know, Peter blames himself for her getting shot, and it's within his guilt-ridden character to blame himself for her death... something that would have agonized him far greater than Uncle Ben's shooting. And while Peter did not agree right away to simply "trade" one important woman in his life for another, he was pushed into the decision by MJ, and he reluctantly agreed...

Look, we all know that the story unto itself was published as a Marvel Comics Inc. driven agenda, but the tale itself was not such a far stretch... I didn't agree with it, but when you look at Peter's life at that moment, especially with the "pushing" from MJ, I can see where he would have reluctantly agreed; thereby making it not so "out of character", in my opinion... did the story suck? tremendously... but I can understand the how's & why's of the Peter/MJ decision.

And if these are a 1000 times then Spidey stories most have sucked some serious ass because these stories are by no means that great. Unless you just meant the JMS era, in which case, I can agree, but I think that was more his awful ideas as opposed to his marriage to MJ

The JMS era was indeed very boring when I look at it as a whole... sure, there were a few gems into his mix, but very few and far between. And every story where he had some kind of good build-up, he fumbled the ball on the last chapters making me ask "why?" this story even happened... his treatment of characters were great, but the stories themselves were mostly snoozers... other than a Doc Ock story, I can't really think of any other classic villains used in his 7 year run. And the 2 years prior to that was the Mackie/Byrne era, and I don't think we need to discuss how "fabulous" those stories were, and the 4 years prior to that was the aftermath of the Clone Saga, where the characters, including Spider-Man himself, seemed to be "lost", and the stories seemed to have lost some kind of "focus"... again, there were some gems, mostly in DeMatthies' Spectacular run, but nothing that compared to the stories of my youth... it had seemed that the Spider-Magick that I grew up with was gone... and finally, we had the Clone Saga... a good story unto itself that lasted way to long with too many gimmicky covers... and that brings us to circa 1993, so yes, the current stories, while some of them not that great, have been 1000% better because I can feel some of that aforementioned missing "Spidey-Magick" back in the books...

And come on, you know why everyone is up in arms. It's one thing to have a Parker with ****** luck, but it's totally another to have someone pull down their pants and **** all over 20+ years of continuity with a horrible, horrible unneeded recton. Not to mention more or less eliminating a character that I think it's not a stretch to say many people enjoyed

So far, the continuity appears to all be explained, with only the memory wipe left to go... which is happeneing this month. So you may think that someone shat over 20+ years of continuity, but I believe that you'd be wrong. And while you may think the need to eliminate the marriage was unneeded, Marvel Comics Inc. feels otherwise... I'm sure ld school readers hated it when Gwen died and felt it was an unecessary move by Marvel, but Spidey stories continued and life went one... just like with this tragic moment in Peter's life.

And Mary Jane Watson is far too important a character to simply eliminate. She'll be back... it's inevitable... she just doesn't need to be in every book... she was gone for a long time before (5 years... circa 1978-1983) after she ran away from Peter when he first proposed to her.

Again... she'll be back...

Cheers...

:yay:

[moraldeficiency]

I also have howling coyotes:

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q110/omagnas/Coyotes/shutterstock_899478.jpg

oh, howling coyotes and babies, now it all makes sense.

Sin's Past?


Hey if you liked that fun event just wait, menance is pregnant so they'll be more goblin babies shortly.



TMOB- May said it was her time and she was at peace and wanted to die. She told peter this. Why would he force her to live and help make her life a defiance to god (may's very religious) and help out satan in the process while getting rid of the one bright spot in his life? It was by far the most uncharacteristic move pete's made since he pimpslapped a pregnant MJ.

[TheCorpulent1]

The difference between Gwen dying and OMD is that one represents progress while the other does not. Love it or hate it, people die and the survivors have to move on and live their lives. Generally speaking, people do not make deals with the devil to regress themselves back to who they were years ago.

I hope that Models, Inc. book still gets made. I was looking forward to seeing how MJ got on in there as a solo character, plus I was curious about the book as a whole. Too bad they pulled the solicitations.

[Tron Bonne]

Even though she said it was her time for Peter to let her go, as we all know, Peter blames himself for her getting shot, and it's within his guilt-ridden character to blame himself for her death... something that would have agonized him far greater than Uncle Ben's shooting. And while Peter did not agree right away to simply "trade" one important woman in his life for another, he was pushed into the decision by MJ, and he reluctantly agreed...

Look, we all know that the story unto itself was published as a Marvel Comics Inc. driven agenda, but the tale itself was not such a far stretch... I didn't agree with it, but when you look at Peter's life at that moment, especially with the "pushing" from MJ, I can see where he would have reluctantly agreed; thereby making it not so "out of character", in my opinion... did the story suck? tremendously... but I can understand the how's & why's of the Peter/MJ decision.

Well, I'm sorry, I don't. I get all that, but I didn't believe for a second that either Peter or MJ would agree to make a deal with arguably the single most evil being in the MU. I just don't buy it. I'm all for flaws in characters, but not that.



The JMS era was indeed very boring when I look at it as a whole... sure, there were a few gems into his mix, but very few and far between. And every story where he had some kind of good build-up, he fumbled the ball on the last chapters making me ask "why?" this story even happened... his treatment of characters were great, but the stories themselves were mostly snoozers... other than a Doc Ock story, I can't really think of any other classic villains used in his 7 year run. And the 2 years prior to that was the Mackie/Byrne era, and I don't think we need to discuss how "fabulous" those stories were, and the 4 years prior to that was the aftermath of the Clone Saga, where the characters, including Spider-Man himself, seemed to be "lost", and the stories seemed to have lost some kind of "focus"... again, there were some gems, mostly in DeMatthies' Spectacular run, but nothing that compared to the stories of my youth... it had seemed that the Spider-Magick that I grew up with was gone... and finally, we had the Clone Saga... a good story unto itself that lasted way to long with too many gimmicky covers... and that brings us to circa 1993, so yes, the current stories, while some of them not that great, have been 1000% better because I can feel some of that aforementioned missing "Spidey-Magick" back in the books...

Fair enough on your part I suppose, but I really don't think any of the post-OMD stories have been anything to write home about and we've had our share of complete garbage in it. The Freak arc and the recent Character Assasaination for example.



So far, the continuity appears to all be explained, with only the memory wipe left to go... which is happeneing this month. So you may think that someone shat over 20+ years of continuity, but I believe that you'd be wrong. And while you may think the need to eliminate the marriage was unneeded, Marvel Comics Inc. feels otherwise... I'm sure ld school readers hated it when Gwen died and felt it was an unecessary move by Marvel, but Spidey stories continued and life went one... just like with this tragic moment in Peter's life.

And Mary Jane Watson is far too important a character to simply eliminate. She'll be back... it's inevitable... she just doesn't need to be in every book... she was gone for a long time before (5 years... circa 1978-1983) after she ran away from Peter when he first proposed to her.

Again... she'll be back...

Did I say anything about it being unexplained? What I meant is that a retcon of this size really is a massive crap on past continuity, whether the new continuity is explained or not.

I can agree somewhat on Gwen's death, but at least that did something worthwhile in giving Spidey and clearly defined nemisis. I don't think OMD has done anything but revert Peter back a few years and so far I think we've really yet to have a story that couldn't have been told with a love interest in BND.

I know MJ will be back, but it's obvious that the current 'brain trust' has no interest in really involving her with Pete, so what then? Reduced to just a supporting character who comes in every once in awhile with a snappy one-liner? Maybe they really will do something significant with her, but I doubt it, she'll probably get tossed around for years before someone comes in and does something important with her or they just decide to wipe her out all together

[CaptainStacy]

The difference between Gwen dying and OMD is that one represents progress while the other does not. Love it or hate it, people die and the survivors have to move on and live their lives. Generally speaking, people do not make deals with the devil to regress themselves back to who they were years ago.

I hope that Models, Inc. book still gets made. I was looking forward to seeing how MJ got on in there as a solo character, plus I was curious about the book as a whole. Too bad they pulled the solicitations.

i know, man! :cmad:

i was also stoked about seeing Millie The Model again. (seriously)

i like the old-school stuff.

[Tron Bonne]

The difference between Gwen dying and OMD is that one represents progress while the other does not. Love it or hate it, people die and the survivors have to move on and live their lives. Generally speaking, people do not make deals with the devil to regress themselves back to who they were years ago.

I hope that Models, Inc. book still gets made. I was looking forward to seeing how MJ got on in there as a solo character, plus I was curious about the book as a whole. Too bad they pulled the solicitations.

And that, too. Corp always says it better then me and thinks of better things to boot:csad:

[Themanofbat]

TMOB- May said it was her time and she was at peace and wanted to die. She told peter this. Why would he force her to live and help make her life a defiance to god (may's very religious) and help out satan in the process while getting rid of the one bright spot in his life? It was by far the most uncharacteristic move pete's made since he pimpslapped a pregnant MJ.

Well, at this point in time, Peter just couldn't have lived with the "guilt" of his being responsible for May's death...

He didn't want her to live because he was being defiant of her wishes...
He wanted her to live so he could live with himself.

Pete's a strong guy with high morals, but as beaten down as he was, his guilt would have driven him over the edge... no matter how much "consoling" MJ could/would have given him...

[Themanofbat]

I hope that Models, Inc. book still gets made. I was looking forward to seeing how MJ got on in there as a solo character, plus I was curious about the book as a whole. Too bad they pulled the solicitations.

Same here... I hope this book sees the light of day soonish...

:csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

And that, too. Corp always says it better then me and thinks of better things to boot:csad:
But I'm not getting into this old argument yet again. I've made my peace by quitting Spider-Man's comics altogether and I don't miss 'em.

[Tron Bonne]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/FrenchFryGuy515/crying-baby.jpg

Lol, well I didn't call myself Teardrop for nothing. :cwink:

[Tron Bonne]

But I'm not getting into this old argument yet again. I've made my peace by quitting Spider-Man's comics altogether and I don't miss 'em.

Yeah, I hear you, but I just run into arguments new or old like a wild man personally.:yay:

[CaptainStacy]

Lol, well I didn't call myself Teardrop for nothing. :cwink:

Touche', lol. :woot:

[moraldeficiency]

Well, at this point in time, Peter just couldn't have lived with the "guilt" of his being responsible for May's death...

He didn't want her to live because he was being defiant of her wishes...
He wanted her to live so he could live with himself.

Pete's a strong guy with high morals, but as beaten down as he was, his guilt would have driven him over the edge... no matter how much "consoling" MJ could/would have given him...

But the guilt from helping the devil win over god is cool, or the guilt of forcing someone to live in a situation they would never agree to or the guilt over screwing with the minds and memories of all his loved ones combined with the guilt from mystical abortions is ok?

Pete's dealt with a lot of losses at least this one wouldn't be like ben or gwen, he got to say good bye, he got to hear how proud of him may was and he got to hear may tell him it's ok and it was her time and she was ready for it. I think he could have coped.

We'll disagree on this. Gwen was much more tramatic and he made it through that. May's been dying on and off for years, it's the one "death"" pete's the most used to at this point. He's had years of practice.

[TheCorpulent1]

Lol, well I didn't call myself Teardrop for nothing. :cwink:
I thought you were just a Cry-Baby enthusiast.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/thecorpulent1/Cry-Baby-Poster-C10304051.jpg

[Themanofbat]

Well, I'm sorry, I don't. I get all that, but I didn't believe for a second that either Peter or MJ would agree to make a deal with arguably the single most evil being in the MU. I just don't buy it. I'm all for flaws in characters, but not that.

I guess we can agree to disagree. :yay:

Fair enough on your part I suppose, but I really don't think any of the post-OMD stories have been anything to write home about and we've had our share of complete garbage in it. The Freak arc and the recent Character Assasaination for example.

The Freak arc, I can agree with... I liked Character Assasination...

Again, I guess we can agree to disagree. :yay:

Did I say anything about it being unexplained? What I meant is that a retcon of this size really is a massive crap on past continuity, whether the new continuity is explained or not.

I can agree somewhat on Gwen's death, but at least that did something worthwhile in giving Spidey and clearly defined nemisis. I don't think OMD has done anything but revert Peter back a few years and so far I think we've really yet to have a story that couldn't have been told with a love interest in BND.

I know MJ will be back, but it's obvious that the current 'brain trust' has no interest in really involving her with Pete, so what then? Reduced to just a supporting character who comes in every once in awhile with a snappy one-liner? Maybe they really will do something significant with her, but I doubt it, she'll probably get tossed around for years before someone comes in and does something important with her or they just decide to wipe her out all together

A defined nemesis? He died the next issue... and really should have stayed dead. Bringing back Normon Osborn was one of the biggest mistakes Marvel made when trying to close out the Clone Saga with a "quick fix"... and quite frankly, I haven't been that impressed with him ever since... at least, up unti BND. Making Norman forget who Peter Parker really is makes him that much scarier to me... at least in my opinion.

And who knows what they'll do with MJ... there's been theories about how they'll be a couple again in the future, just not a "married" one... so you might end up with what you want in the end.

:yay:

[Themanofbat]

But the guilt from helping the devil win over god is cool, or the guilt of forcing someone to live in a situation they would never agree to or the guilt over screwing with the minds and memories of all his loved ones combined with the guilt from mystical abortions is ok?

Pete's dealt with a lot of losses at least this one wouldn't be like ben or gwen, he got to say good bye, he got to hear how proud of him may was and he got to hear may tell him it's ok and it was her time and she was ready for it. I think he could have coped.

We'll disagree on this. Gwen was much more tramatic and he made it through that. May's been dying on and off for years, it's the one "death"" pete's the most used to at this point. He's had years of practice.


We can agree to disagree. :yay:

Though for the record, I never said that those aforementioned decisions were "cool" & "ok", but it was an easier road for Peter's guilt concious to choose from... in my opinion.

[moraldeficiency]

We can agree to disagree. :yay:

Though for the record, I never said that those aforementioned decisions were "cool" & "ok", but it was an easier road for Peter's guilt concious to choose from... in my opinion.

I don't agree to that.

But wait you liked character assassination. The ending where pete did nothing got his ass handed to him, stopped fighting and just accepted he was gonna die, that was cool by you? I know that had to bother anyone that's ever read any spider-man comic. Peter Parker does not give up, that's pretty fundamental to the character. Although OMD did cancel out the whole responsibility aspect so maybe this is just the next progression.

[Themanofbat]

I don't agree to that.

But wait you liked character assassination. The ending where pete did nothing got his ass handed to him, stopped fighting and just accepted he was gonna die, that was cool by you? I know that had to bother anyone that's ever read any spider-man comic. Peter Parker does not give up, that's pretty fundamental to the character. Although OMD did cancel out the whole responsibility aspect so maybe this is just the next progression.

I liked the story as a whole, but I will admit to thinking it was funny that Spidey just sort of "gave up"... like you said... but let's keep in mind that he had been shot, gotten beaten up in prison as well as taking a pretty good beating from Menace... the man was fighting when he really had no reason to do so...so as opposed to thinking he just "gave up", I prefer to think that he tried his best.

Nonetheless, that scene was not to my liking...

:yay:

[Tron Bonne]

A defined nemesis? He died the next issue... and really should have stayed dead. Bringing back Normon Osborn was one of the biggest mistakes Marvel made when trying to close out the Clone Saga with a "quick fix"... and quite frankly, I haven't been that impressed with him ever since... at least, up unti BND. Making Norman forget who Peter Parker really is makes him that much scarier to me... at least in my opinion.

Oh, really. Did he die directly after that? My bad, that is a slip up on my part. I thought he was around for a little while before he bite the big one. Either way, though, dead or not, I think that still put the Green Goblin as the most recognizable rogue against Spidey, Norman or not.

Though, I am totally agree with you about Norman's return. That was awful.

And who knows what they'll do with MJ... there's been theories about how they'll be a couple again in the future, just not a "married" one... so you might end up with what you want in the end.
:yay:

I have a lot of faith that will happen eventually, but not as long as this current 'brain trust' are the helmers of Spider-Man. It's obvious they want a single as possible Spidey and bringing her into the picture would leave the doors wide open for them to be back together again. They may bring her back as is supposely happening, but with the current puppet masters, I'll be very surprised if it's more then a slim supporting role or if they just don't kill her off to give the ultimate middle finger to the fans who liked MJ & Spidey together

I thought you were just a Cry-Baby enthusiast.



I've actually never seen that movie.

[moraldeficiency]

I'm probably the only person that liked norman's return, it was fairly necessary to fix the clone saga and I'm glad to see his wacky ass around and causing trouble again.

[TheCorpulent1]

They've done some good things with him, but he definitely didn't need to come back. I hated Norman's return. I would've preferred seeing Harry come back as a villain in the Clone Saga than Norman.

[moraldeficiency]

That would have worked, although honestly I really liked harry's death and thought that a bit better than norman's, so I would have rathered that be the "real" death. With norman coming back it made sense with his spider-man hate, but harry forgave pete and visa versa at the end, so for him to come back in such a hateful way would have completely invalidated that awesome issue.

[BlackLantern]

I think what Marvel is trying to do is have a Luthor type villain in the Marvel U....Lex has staying power as a "normal" guy going toe to toe with superheroes and Marvel seems to want that

[TheCorpulent1]

Unfortunately, Lex ain't doing the normal, genius manipulator bit anymore; he's back to his stupid Silver Age purple and green armor.

[Themanofbat]

Unfortunately, Lex ain't doing the normal, genius manipulator bit anymore; he's back to his stupid Silver Age purple and green armor.


Heh heh... Marvel wants Norman Osborn to be more like Lex Luthor, who is now running around in his classic green & purple suit...

:woot: :woot: :woot:

:yay:

[TheCorpulent1]

I never even noticed that, although I suppose it makes sense given that both of their nemeses sport red and blues. :)

[Tron Bonne]

This isn't really related to Spidey or directly to Marvel, but I just happen to read this over at CBR

Continuing with the questions about New Krypton, an attendee wondered if Superman’s new setting meant the possibility of a new love interest for the Man of Steel. Rucka responded, “No, he’s married.” When the fan tried to explain further why a love interest might be an interesting possibility given Superman’s new set of circumstances, Rucka replied, “He’s married. This is not Marvel.”

I admit it, I smiled. :)

[moraldeficiency]

haha, that's pretty funny.

[arachnid-guy]

^ Heh.