The Amazing Spider-Man

[TheCorpulent1]

Pym only did it once, too, so technically it does.

[BlackLantern]

in The Ultimates, Pym uses her as a punching bag

[TheCorpulent1]

Ultimate Pym is a different character.

[BlackLantern]

Ultimate Pym is a different character.

yea...he's an ultimate wife-beater....

seriously though, I am genuinely curious about what happened with MJ

[Themanofbat]

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/4215/mysteriousn.jpg

Wow... :wow: :wow: :wow:

:yay:

[Themanofbat]

Did you see my other post asking which issue you refer to that Pete is annoyed at MJ while he's, as you say, "boinking" Black Cat a mere 3 months before the proposal? I honestly don't remember this, so I'd like to check it out myself.

I did see this, but I've been travelling to a lot this weekend, went to a couple of gigs in 3 nights, and I'm quite tired this afternoon...

I'll get around to answering... if it's too much later in the thread... I'll send you a PM.

Mike

:yay:

[SpideyInATree]

That preview thing looks pretty good. I'm more excited that Dan Slott and Marcos Martin are teaming back up again. Love Martin's artwork it's freakin' perfect for Spidey. :up:

[Tron Bonne]

Has that been confirmed to be a Spidey related thing?

[SpideyInATree]

Well, it says Amazing Spider-Man at the bottom so I'm guessing it is.

[Tron Bonne]

I didn't see it because it's all faded. I can vaguely see it now that you pointed it out. Well, kind of, I guess

[SpideyInATree]

Plus it's obviously Mysterio and you kind of associate him with Spider-Man. It could be Daredevil but with the team of Slott/Martin I would have just figured it's going to be in Amazing Spider-Man.

But then I saw the Amazing Spider-Man thing at the bottom and it's all good in the hood now.

[Tron Bonne]

Oh yeah, I can kind of see Mysterio in that picture now that you mention it

[TheCorpulent1]

It's fishbowl-tastic.

[spideyboy_1111]

hmm i wonder if it will be demonic beck, or the new guy with teleportation powers...

[BlackLantern]

It still amuses me how Mysterio, of all villains, became a big pain in Daredevils ass

[bryanss3]

Its probably going to be Beck. I remember in an old interview with Slott he said he used Mysterio in the story about how Norman covered up Harry's death was because he was going to use him in a future story. I'm excited.

[venom892]

I'm kinda hoping it's not Beck.He shot himself in the head Kraven style and I hope they respect his death the same way they respect Kraven death.If anything It be cool if it was Berkhart.

[Themanofbat]

When I first saw the pic... it looked like a faded wedding ring... then I saw Mysterio...

:yay:

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm kinda hoping it's not Beck.He shot himself in the head Kraven style and I hope they respect his death the same way they respect Kraven death.If anything It be cool if it was Berkhart.
They basically resurrected Kraven anyway, though. I liked that they were using his son as his own character, doing the self-serving anti-hero bit, but then he showed up as a crazier version of his father in Punisher War Journal. Using another character in just about the same way as the first is a resurrection in all but name to me.

[bryanss3]

the Resurrected Beck in Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man. He's been alive and unused for about 2-3 years. its strange cause there are 3 people who alive who have been Mysterio. of all the villains you could who would fight over being Mysterio?

[TheCorpulent1]

Mysterio's got cool powers if applied properly.

[scarlet-spider]

None the less he hit her but he was in rage so he did not realize who was behind him

[spideyboy_1111]

the Resurrected Beck in Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man. He's been alive and unused for about 2-3 years. its strange cause there are 3 people who alive who have been Mysterio. of all the villains you could who would fight over being Mysterio?

actually he wasn't resurrected... he was just briefly brought up from hell due to a disruption in the balance of things caused by miss arrow. The man did have half his head missing...

[DACMAN]

Mysterio's got cool powers if applied properly.

He actually has no powers. Which is what makes him cool.

[spideyboy_1111]

He actually has no powers. Which is what makes him cool.

Old Beck...

New mysterio is the guy from evil that men do, and can teleport.

Also... if old beck can return from hell whenever he pleases... the who knows what powers he has

[venom892]

the Resurrected Beck in Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man. He's been alive and unused for about 2-3 years. its strange cause there are 3 people who alive who have been Mysterio. of all the villains you could who would fight over being Mysterio?Well all three of them did fight for the mantle in Peter's High School.Beck ain't comin back though.I hope.

[theunseenmarvel]

Well all three of them did fight for the mantle in Peter's High School.Beck ain't comin back though.I hope.

Speaking of Mephisto and Spidey When is Mephisto going to collect or has he already?

[venom892]

Collect what exactly?He already took the marriage.:huh:

[spideyboy_1111]

Collect what exactly?He already took the marriage.:huh:

i think he means what his "devil" trick will be... typically speaking devil deals tend to back fire and give the devil a double win.

[Spider-Gnome]

I did see this, but I've been travelling to a lot this weekend, went to a couple of gigs in 3 nights, and I'm quite tired this afternoon...

I'll get around to answering... if it's too much later in the thread... I'll send you a PM.

Mike

:yay:

No problem. No rush. Thanks. :yay:

[Dan_Slott]

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9141.Amazing_Spider-Man_%23600_Sells_Out

:)

[stillanerd]

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9141.Amazing_Spider-Man_%23600_Sells_Out

:)

Congratulations, Mr. Slott! :yay:

[Themanofbat]

Dammit Dan... I already got 4 covers... :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

Congrats... :word: :word:

:yay:

[Spider-Jay420]

Nice. Congrats, Dan.

It was a great story at a great price. Well worth the price of admission.

[The Joker]

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9141.Amazing_Spider-Man_%23600_Sells_Out

:)

The power of the Octopus :otto:

Congrats Dan :up:

[SpideyInATree]

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9141.Amazing_Spider-Man_%23600_Sells_Out

:)

That's great news! Lets hope that this momentum keeps up. Saw that advertisement with Mysterio on it and glad to see you teaming back up with Marcos Martin. You guys make a GREAT TEAM!

Though we need more Romita Jr. :o

[BlackLantern]

i think he means what his "devil" trick will be... typically speaking devil deals tend to back fire and give the devil a double win.

maybe if Pete and MJ reconnect, Aunt May turns into a pumpkin

[TheCorpulent1]

And then Pete and MJ have some tasty pumpkin pie? ;)

[DACMAN]

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9141.Amazing_Spider-Man_%23600_Sells_Out

:)

Ok. I offically don't believe this guy is the real Dan Slott. No writer is going to come back to brag that his mag sold out. That's just tacky. I mean really, if he really was the real Dan Slott, he'd know that everyone bought it because it was a milestone 600. I did and I hate the way Amazing is going. But I bought it because it was issue 600, the Alex Ross cover, and the Jr. Jr. art. Everyone has agreed the story was terrible. Easily the worst 100th issue we've had.

So again, I really don't believe this guy is really Dan Slott. Posting that was tacky and unprofessional. But I think the real Dan Slott would know that.

[TheCorpulent1]

It seems like a lot of people around here enjoyed it, so I'm not sure which "everybody" you're talking about.

[Ion Kenshin]

Everyone?? :huh: You sure about that. I think you are confusing it with some people thought the story was terrible.

[DACMAN]

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9171/asm601spideydoesntdrink.jpgim fairly certain that story was by Wells.

I was refering to the recent Waid story that has Spidey getting drunk. I'm saying that Waid can't write Spidey because of that point right there. It was out of character for him to get drunk and then act the manwhore.

[T.G.C.B.]

Hi y'all!Just stopped by to say hi!I'm a member of T.G.C.B.[Tough Generation Comic Books] which is a Marvel fan club in Greece since the mid 70s.

[TheCorpulent1]

Welcome. :up:

[T.G.C.B.]

Thank you,I hope I will find good reason to stay...

[DACMAN]

Good to have another Spidey-Fan!

[DACMAN]

x2
Welcome. :up:
Why the heck is the HYPE! running so crappy? There are double posts everwhere and it takes forever somtimes to load a page or post.

[BlackLantern]

Hi y'all!Just stopped by to say hi!I'm a member of T.G.C.B.[Tough Generation Comic Books] which is a Marvel fan club in Greece since the mid 70s.

hello and welcome to the Hype

[T.G.C.B.]

Yep,a Spidey Fan since the late 70s,a huge Ross Andru fan too...

[DACMAN]

It seems like a lot of people around here enjoyed it, so I'm not sure which "everybody" you're talking about.

Everyone in my comic shop hated it. And I thought most of the guys here hated it. It seems like whenever "Dan" shows up people are quick to change their tune. People were going on and on about how disappointed they were with the comic right when it came out here, minus the Stan story.

And that still doesn't change the fact it was tacky to post a link saying the first printing of the comic sold out. The real Dan Slott would know that it was because it was issue 600, and wouldn't come here to brag about it like some how it was because he's the greatest writer in the world. He'd be humble about the fact they let him write the milestone 600th issue.

I don't think it's him.

[TheCorpulent1]

You have some funny ideas, but to each his own.

[Ion Kenshin]

It is him actually. I mentioned seeing him on the message boards when I went to meet him at Jim Hanley's. I did not say superherohype and he responded with Oh you post on the Hype too. Also the now with cake reference was in regards to the fact that at said signing there was cake in celebration of 600. Ice Cream cake too :up: Why can't a writer post a link to the fact that something he worked on sold tons of copies. Are they not allowed to be proud of that?

[BlackLantern]

It is him actually. I mentioned seeing him on the message boards when I went to meet him at Jim Hanley's. I did not say superherohype and he responded with Oh you post on the Hype too. Also the now with cake reference was in regards to the fact that at said signing there was cake in celebration of 600. Ice Cream cake too :up: Why can't a writer post a link to the fact that something he worked on sold tons of copies. Are they not allowed to be proud of that?

No..they are not :cmad: they must sit huddled over their desks and toil away endlessly for our enjoyment:oldrazz:

[Ion Kenshin]

^^^ Ahh yes...how silly of me to forget.....Im a bad Kenshin :hehe:

[DACMAN]

It is him actually. I mentioned seeing him on the message boards when I went to meet him at Jim Hanley's. I did not say superherohype and he responded with Oh you post on the Hype too. Also the now with cake reference was in regards to the fact that at said signing there was cake in celebration of 600. Ice Cream cake too :up: Why can't a writer post a link to the fact that something he worked on sold tons of copies. Are they not allowed to be proud of that?

No. It's tacky. We all know it didn't sell that many copies because he wrote it. Maybe because Stan had a hand in it (making fun of the way things are going no less) or maybe just because it was issue 600. But to come in here pouding his chest like he is amazing is just tacky. I seriously, really, don't think it is the real Dan Slott at this point. Which actually makes me feel better. I was pretty upset the way he was coming off about the whole BND stuff which was pretty much "if you don't like it...whatever." Like Marvel doesn't care about their fans.

[TheCorpulent1]

"Pounding his chest" seems like an overstatement. Dude posted a link and a smiley face. I imagine having any issue you write sell out for any reason would be cause for celebration in today's economy.

[Ion Kenshin]

To each their own. I dont think it is tacky at all. Believe who and what you want to believe. You seem so sure of the reason why it sold as many copies as it did. It very well could have been an amalgamation of all thos things. People buy for different reasons. You make these grand blanket statements as if they are pure fact. It really is rather ridiculous.

[Themanofbat]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[SpideyInATree]

No. It's tacky. We all know it didn't sell that many copies because he wrote it. Maybe because Stan had a hand in it (making fun of the way things are going no less) or maybe just because it was issue 600. But to come in here pouding his chest like he is amazing is just tacky. I seriously, really, don't think it is the real Dan Slott at this point. Which actually makes me feel better. I was pretty upset the way he was coming off about the whole BND stuff which was pretty much "if you don't like it...whatever." Like Marvel doesn't care about their fans.

I think it sold very well because of a very huge combination of things. Maybe there was a real draw to Dan Slott/John Romita Jr. Maybe it was the Stan Lee story. Maybe it was the other back up stories. Maybe it was the fact that it was 104 pages of material with absolutely no ads at all. And that it was # 600.

What's wrong with the creator, who was the main writer on the book, posting a link to the article saying that there is going to be a second printing? How is that pounding on his chest? :huh:

Not everyone on these boards is jaded about the current direction of Spider-Man like you are.

[BlackLantern]

hey who likes cake??

[Ion Kenshin]

:raises hand: :hehe:

[TheCorpulent1]

hey who likes cake??
Depends on the type.

[farmernudie]

My momma makes great chocolate cake with homemade peanut-butter frosting! :woot:

[Blader5489]

Ok. I offically don't believe this guy is the real Dan Slott. No writer is going to come back to brag that his mag sold out. That's just tacky. I mean really, if he really was the real Dan Slott, he'd know that everyone bought it because it was a milestone 600. I did and I hate the way Amazing is going. But I bought it because it was issue 600, the Alex Ross cover, and the Jr. Jr. art. Everyone has agreed the story was terrible. Easily the worst 100th issue we've had.

So again, I really don't believe this guy is really Dan Slott. Posting that was tacky and unprofessional. But I think the real Dan Slott would know that.

Way to stick to your guns. :funny:

[DACMAN]

I think it sold very well because of a very huge combination of things. Maybe there was a real draw to Dan Slott/John Romita Jr.

They've worked together in the past. They didn't sell out like 600 did. It isn't rocket science.

[SpideyInATree]

They've worked together in the past. They didn't sell out like 600 did. It isn't rocket science.

No, it is not rocket science. I was just pointing out all of the reasons that people may have bought the book, and the reason why it sold out. There are people who LIKE THE BOOK regardless of there being # 600 plastered on it, or Stan Lee writing, or 104 pages of uninterrupted material.

[DACMAN]

Way to stick to your guns. :funny:

I never said I would never buy another issue of Spider-Man for as long as I live! I even bought the New Ways to Die story arc because it was Jr. Jr. and it had Venom in it. I said I don't buy it every month (or week now) like I used to because of the crap they pulled in OMD. And to be honest, I've hated everything I've read so far. It's like this isn't really Spidey anymore. It's like some alternate universe where we now have to retread old ground.

Like this whole "Doc Ock is dying!" thing. Is there anyone here that really takes that seriously? Someone said it came off as hollow, and it did. Because we know that he won't die, and if he did we know he'll eventually come back. Harry used to be the one villain everyone would point to and say "see he's still dead." But none of that means anything anymore. Let's just have Pete make another deal with the devil to erase everything else so we can do it all over again instead of moving forward.

As much as some of you might have hated it Peter unmasking moved the story forward. Aunt May knowing moved the story forward. All BND does is take everything back that moved the story forward.

[SpideyInATree]

Like this whole "Doc Ock is dying!" thing. Is there anyone here that really takes that seriously? Someone said it came off as hollow, and it did. Because we know that he won't die, and if he did we know he'll eventually come back. Harry used to be the one villain everyone would point to and say "see he's still dead." But none of that means anything anymore. Let's just have Pete make another deal with the devil to erase everything else so we can do it all over again instead of moving forward.

You act like this is like a brand new thing they just started doing in comics. All the major comic book characters, in both of the big two, have characters die and come back. Look at DC. Barry Allen is back in the books. They always said how much his death meant to the DC Universe and he would never come back. But LOOK... :wow: Look at the current storyline over in Green Lantern, The Blackest Night, where EVERY DEAD HERO AND VILLAIN is returning as corpses with black rings on.

It's something that is part of comics. Sometimes the stories are good. Sometimes the stories are bad. Sometimes the stories are God awful. It's all in how it's executed. You don't have to like it but, at this point in the comics game, both companies will eventually resurrect dead characters if it calls for it. Take Bucky for example. :o

[DACMAN]

JOE QUESADA
"If Peter was being hunted by a sniper and the sniper missed and shot an innocent women, a complete stranger, how would Peter feel about it? Horrible of course.

What if Mephisto came to Peter and said, "Hey, that woman over there, I know you don't know her, she's a complete stranger, but she's going to die from a bullet meant for you. Sucks doesn't it? But I'll tell you what, I can save her life. All I want is your marriage in exchange."

How would you feel if Peter looked up at Mephisto and said, "Nah, sorry, let her die."

I know this may seem different because the woman is Aunt May, but it's not -- a life is a life.

Peter and MJ didn't quit on their love, they sacrificed it to save a life, that to me is a pretty heroic story."



Ok I'm going to give the real answer to that woman getting shot question.

What would Peter do? He'd punch the devil in the face, and then pick the woman up and take her to a hospital. When the DEVIL! shows up again to try again, he should do what any hero would have done. "AHH! THE DEVIL!" And then punch him in the face again! Because he's the devil.

You don't sit around and hear the devil out. You don't see what he has to say. You fight him, you punch him, you stay away from him. And anyone that is willing to listen to him is a moron because he is, you know, the devil and all and you couldn't trust a thing he says anyway.

This is why I will always hate BND. It is built on something that attacks the character at the very core of what he is. Joey Q is saying that it is either save the girl by making a deal with the devil, or saying "Nah, sorry, let her die." That is such crap. How about option C, he doesn't say "LET HER DIE!" Instead he helps the woman and stays away from the most evil thing ever. And what does it matter if the bullet was meant for him or not? Are we saying that Spider-Man won't act unless he feels guilty about it? He won't help people unless guilt is involved? Joey Q isn't making a strong case for himself. How messed up is this messsage his sending to kids that's "if you can't figure it out, make a deal with someone evil!"

[BlackLantern]

which Bucky...Barnes or Hot Girl Bucky??

[Ion Kenshin]

Dacman. I would like to know what your goal is. All I seem to see from you is that you dislike Spidey and the way it is going and seem to want everyone to feel as such. Why do you hate the fact the people like this. I don't understand why it bothers you or makes you feel the need to come down on people. It has seriously become rather asinine. There is no way that people enjoying this comic can have such a negative affect on your life.

[SpideyInATree]

which Bucky...Barnes or Hot Girl Bucky??

Both! I was mainly referencing Bucky Barnes though. Which is a good example of taking a character that, for decades, Marvel said they would never bring back...brought back...and did it extremely well.

[DACMAN]

You act like this is like a brand new thing they just started doing in comics. All the major comic book characters, in both of the big two, have characters die and come back. Look at DC. Barry Allen is back in the books. They always said how much his death meant to the DC Universe and he would never come back. But LOOK... :wow: Look at the current storyline over in Green Lantern, The Blackest Night, where EVERY DEAD HERO AND VILLAIN is returning as corpses with black rings on.

It's something that is part of comics. Sometimes the stories are good. Sometimes the stories are bad. Sometimes the stories are God awful. It's all in how it's executed. You don't have to like it but, at this point in the comics game, both companies will eventually resurrect dead characters if it calls for it. Take Bucky for example. :o

OK. I can agree with that. So then I'll just say it wasn't done well at all. Saying "TA DA! Harry is alive" Was terrible. And then waiting awhile to just be told "yeah well, he healed just like Norman" is terrible writing and plotting. My mind is blown that everyone else doesn't see how bad all this is from start to finish.

[SpideyInATree]

OK. I can agree with that. So then I'll just say it wasn't done well at all. Saying "TA DA! Harry is alive" Was terrible. And then waiting awhile to just be told "yeah well, he healed just like Norman" is terrible writing and plotting. My mind is blown that everyone else doesn't see how bad all this is from start to finish.

I didn't like the way Harry was brought back either. I really thought that Spectacular Spider-Man # 200 was a GREAT issue in the Spider-man mythos. Though, in my opinion, I like how they have handled the Harry Osborn character since bringing him back. They have moved him forward and have made me enjoy having him back.

Another example for me is Amazing Spider-Man # 400. An extremely emotional issue where we say goodbye to Aunt May. Then I come to be told by a friend, because I was out of comics at this time period, that the Aunt May that died in # 400 was really an actor planted by Norman Osborn and he was holding the real Aunt May captive. Now THAT was the dumbest thing I had ever heard! :wow:

Though I still eventually got back into Spider-Man when my same friend told me that the JMS run was really good stuff. I started picking back up during the Dr. Octopus story with that Carlyle guy stealing his schtick. Got the back issues of the rest of the run and, with Aunt May still back in the story, was able to find a lot of enjoyment in the book again.

A lot of horrible story decisions have happened in the Spider-Man books. Over and over and over again. There are always going to be those faction of fans who, no matter what they put in the book, are never going to be happy with Spider-Man.

[BlackLantern]

I didn't like the way Harry was brought back either. I really thought that Spectacular Spider-Man # 200 was a GREAT issue in the Spider-man mythos. Though, in my opinion, I like how they have handled the Harry Osborn character since bringing him back. They have moved him forward and have made me enjoy having him back.

Another example for me is Amazing Spider-Man # 400. An extremely emotional issue where we say goodbye to Aunt May. Then I come to be told by a friend, because I was out of comics at this time period, that the Aunt May that died in # 400 was really an actor planted by Norman Osborn and he was holding the real Aunt May captive. Now THAT was the dumbest thing I had ever heard! :wow:

Though I still eventually got back into Spider-Man when my same friend told me that the JMS run was really good stuff. I started picking back up during the Dr. Octopus story with that Carlyle guy stealing his schtick. Got the back issues of the rest of the run and, with Aunt May still back in the story, was able to find a lot of enjoyment in the book again.

A lot of horrible story decisions have happened in the Spider-Man books. Over and over and over again. There are always going to be those faction of fans who, no matter what they put in the book, are never going to be happy with Spider-Man.

Yes...Stunt May was pretty dumb...

well there are a list of things that have to happen EVERY issue for them to be happy...

1. Peter must come home from being Spider-Man and MJ MUST launder his outfits in sexy attire while lightly complaining about him being out late

2. The black suit MUST make an apperance at least once every 3 or 4 issues

3. Spider-Man must jokingly lament about getting home late because its his turn to cook or do laundry while fighting bad guys

4. bla bla something to do with MJ looking hot bla bla

[venom892]

You make it seem like MJ is some object of lust for every fan she has.That simply isn't true.

[Ion Kenshin]

Lord knows that's not the reason I like her

[Blader5489]

Why is anyone even taking DACMAN seriously? He thinks Bendis should write Spider-Man 4. :o

[BlackLantern]

Dacman is an older fan, and like most older people thinks he's right all the time...but ill read his posts because he does have a lot of knowledge about Spider-Man and he does sometimes post things I agree with

[SpideyInATree]

Yes...Stunt May was pretty dumb...

well there are a list of things that have to happen EVERY issue for them to be happy...

1. Peter must come home from being Spider-Man and MJ MUST launder his outfits in sexy attire while lightly complaining about him being out late

2. The black suit MUST make an apperance at least once every 3 or 4 issues

3. Spider-Man must jokingly lament about getting home late because its his turn to cook or do laundry while fighting bad guys

4. bla bla something to do with MJ looking hot bla bla

That's not really what I'm getting at. Just from reading Spider-Man comics since 1991 and hanging in comic shops and message boards through the years...there are just certain comic readers that no matter what is going on, how something is handled, or what writer is on the book it will just never make them happy. Because it was, "Not like it USED to be". It's never going to be like it used to be.

Just like rock bands. Some put out what fans consider their "classic album" and through the years the band tries new material and fans complain that "They are selling out" or "They will never do another *insert classic album here*". And they won't. It's part of art. And when a character hangs around for fifty years being put out each and every month, and in a lot of cases every week, it's difficult to please every single fan. Especially when there have been cartoons and movies that bridged from the comic.

[venom892]

That analogy reminds me of Metallica.Except even all fans can't agree what the "Classic Album" they will never replicate.For some It's Master of Puppets,others ....And Justice For All and many would say the Black Album.I have however enjoyed some load and reload songs and even some St.Anger songs.Lars is still a douche though.oh crap gotta stay on topic........OMD Sucks.:o

[random_havoc]

That's not really what I'm getting at. Just from reading Spider-Man comics since 1991 and hanging in comic shops and message boards through the years...there are just certain comic readers that no matter what is going on, how something is handled, or what writer is on the book it will just never make them happy. Because it was, "Not like it USED to be". It's never going to be like it used to be.

Just like rock bands. Some put out what fans consider their "classic album" and through the years the band tries new material and fans complain that "They are selling out" or "They will never do another *insert classic album here*". And they won't. It's part of art. And when a character hangs around for fifty years being put out each and every month, and in a lot of cases every week, it's difficult to please every single fan. Especially when there have been cartoons and movies that bridged from the comic.

Yeah, and wouldn't it just suck if one of those fans got control of the band and forced them to just repeat the old stuff over and over again, and the band was never allowed to come out with anything that was different or which progressed in any significant way? Not only that but he ordered the band to pretend that they'd never written the new stuff and they weren't allowed to perform any of it...

That would really suck....

[Ion Kenshin]

:sigh:

[Blader5489]

Yeah, and wouldn't it just suck if one of those fans got control of the band and forced them to just repeat the old stuff over and over again, and the band was never allowed to come out with anything that was different or which progressed in any significant way? Not only that but he ordered the band to pretend that they'd never written the new stuff and they weren't allowed to perform any of it...

That would really suck....
I think some bands would actually benefit from that. :funny:

[farmernudie]

Brand New Play

[DACMAN]

That's not really what I'm getting at. Just from reading Spider-Man comics since 1991 and hanging in comic shops and message boards through the years...there are just certain comic readers that no matter what is going on, how something is handled, or what writer is on the book it will just never make them happy. Because it was, "Not like it USED to be". It's never going to be like it used to be.



Tell that to Joey Q who wiped out 20+ years of continuity so he could have it the way it was when he was growing up.

Besides, I never said I wanted it to revert back to the way it was. I simply wanted it to continue progressing, and moving forward. With BND we took like ten steps back.

[DACMAN]

Why is anyone even taking DACMAN seriously? He thinks Bendis should write Spider-Man 4. :o

Oh here we go...:whatever:

That's like me saying we shouldn't listen to you because your name sucks.

And Bagley's run on Ultimate Spider-Man was some of the best Spidey stories since Lee's work.

[Ion Kenshin]

Never got an answer....

[BlackLantern]

You make it seem like MJ is some object of lust for every fan she has.That simply isn't true.

I would say that of about 8 out of 10 MJ fans

[farmernudie]

DACMAN: Tell that to Joey Q who wiped out 20+ years of continuity so he could have it the way it was when he was growing up.

Besides, I never said I wanted it to revert back to the way it was. I simply wanted it to continue progressing, and moving forward. With BND we took like ten steps back.


Yeh, Joe telegraphed himself for two years, saying he couldn't sleep at nite, literally, having a married spider-man and how much marriage annoyed him and whatnot. So he made it HIS way. HE even admitted that he could write all those story arcs backing the character into a croner the way he did, because he knew he was gonna hit the reboot button when it looked like it was unfixable at that point.

No one was complaining they'd like it bettter if it was "single specific".

Now it is Amazing Burger King Man...He got it his way. Everyone that doesn't like it his way, is told to move on, by him and his fry flippers.

Good business strategy? You'd think in a time of poor economy, even more so, you'd go with something less devisive and be extra kind to your long time customers.

[bryanss3]

By the way DACMAN i know you will just say 600 went into a second printing cause of the whole Milestone issue thing, but Dan Slott and JRJR are also a factor. the last Spidey story "New Ways To Die" which they both worked on together went into a second printing for every issue of the arc. So don't act like the pairing of Slott and JRJR doesn't mean anything. I know I'm late to that party, but I just had to inform you.

[Ion Kenshin]

^^^ He won't believe you

[DACMAN]

By the way DACMAN i know you will just say 600 went into a second printing cause of the whole Milestone issue thing, but Dan Slott and JRJR are also a factor. the last Spidey story "New Ways To Die" which they both worked on together went into a second printing for every issue of the arc. So don't act like the pairing of Slott and JRJR doesn't mean anything. I know I'm late to that party, but I just had to inform you.

Ok. Like I said I even bought the entire run. Why? Venom and Jr. Jr. It had nothing to do with Slott. I've read about a dozen issues of this guy so far and so far everything he has done has been pretty bad to down right terrible.

[bryanss3]

and lets not even get started on how many Damn variants each issue of NWTD had. that was ridiculous.

[Ion Kenshin]

Again that is your opinion.

[bryanss3]

KenshinAtrain you sure called that one

[bryanss3]

JROk. Like I said I even bought the entire run. Why? Venom and Jr. Jr. It had nothing to do with Slott. I've read about a dozen issues of this guy so far and so far everything he has done has been pretty bad to down right terrible.

because Slott and JRJR working together means nothing to you does not mean it means nothing to the rest of the fans. for a lot of people who dropped ASM the NWTD arc brought them back in. it was a big arc. But that has nothing to do with the writing I guess. I'm a pretty opinionated person but man you take the cake.

[Ion Kenshin]

JR

because Slott and JRJR working together means nothing to you does not mean it means nothing to the rest of the fans. for a lot of people who dropped ASM the NWTD arc brought them back in. it was a big arc. But that has nothing to do with the writing I guess. I'm a pretty opinionated person but man you take the cake.
Thank you!!!!

[DACMAN]

So don't act like the pairing of Slott and JRJR doesn't mean anything.

It doesn't. It had everything to do with the fact it was Jr. Jr.'s art and Venom in a Spidey title. And I think it's also because people are sick of unknown crappy villains and characters like Jackpot, we see Jr. Jr. and Venom a lot of people came running.

[bryanss3]

So what you are saying is writers aren't important for comics to be good. thanks.

[Ion Kenshin]

It doesn't. It had everything to do with the fact it was Jr. Jr.'s art and Venom in a Spidey title. And I think it's also because people are sick of unknown crappy villains and characters like Jackpot, we see Jr. Jr. and Venom a lot of people came running.
I want proof of this. The blanket statements are ridiculous how do you know the exact reason why a comic sold Id really like to know. The more you post the more it seems you are just bitter and talking out your ass.

[Blader5489]

Oh here we go...:whatever:

That's like me saying we shouldn't listen to you because your name sucks.

You could say that, but it wouldn't have anything to do with...anything.

I was just remarking at how you've done nothing but bash Slott, Waid, etc., yet, at the same time, you're championing this idea of a Bendis-written movie. But maybe the idea of Tobey Maguire prattling on like one of the Gilmore Girls appeals to you. :o

[Spider-Gnome]

Yes...Stunt May was pretty dumb...

well there are a list of things that have to happen EVERY issue for them to be happy...

1. Peter must come home from being Spider-Man and MJ MUST launder his outfits in sexy attire while lightly complaining about him being out late

2. The black suit MUST make an apperance at least once every 3 or 4 issues

3. Spider-Man must jokingly lament about getting home late because its his turn to cook or do laundry while fighting bad guys

4. bla bla something to do with MJ looking hot bla bla

Wow.

Is that what you really think this is about?

[Tron Bonne]

EDIT: Nevermind

[Spider-Gnome]

Yeh, Joe telegraphed himself for two years, saying he couldn't sleep at nite, literally, having a married spider-man and how much marriage annoyed him and whatnot. So he made it HIS way. HE even admitted that he could write all those story arcs backing the character into a croner the way he did, because he knew he was gonna hit the reboot button when it looked like it was unfixable at that point.

No one was complaining they'd like it bettter if it was "single specific".

Now it is Amazing Burger King Man...He got it his way. Everyone that doesn't like it his way, is told to move on, by him and his fry flippers.

Good business strategy? You'd think in a time of poor economy, even more so, you'd go with something less devisive and be extra kind to your long time customers.

Exactly, farmernudie (hey, you changed your avatar! When do I get one?). This is exactly what made OMD bad storytelling. All set up and no resolution. It's like they said, ok skip all that stuff. Aunt May's ok, no one knows who Spidey is, and Pete and MJ were never married. OK go on from there.

[bryanss3]

Exactly, farmernudie (hey, you changed your avatar! When do I get one?). This is exactly what made OMD bad storytelling. All set up and no resolution. It's like they said, ok skip all that stuff. Aunt May's ok, no one knows who Spidey is, and Pete and MJ were never married. OK go on from there.

it's not "like" that at all. Thats exactly what they did lol

[farmernudie]

Hey Spider-Gnome...

You get an avatar option after a certain number of posts that i can't remember....300...?.....500??.....i am sure someone will know here....

[Blader5489]

it's not "like" that at all. Thats exactly what they did lol
:funny:

[JewishHobbit]

My opinion on New Ways To Die doing well? Nothing to do with Slott really, or the art (though I think there might be more to the art than the writing), or even Venom. I honestly think it was mostly about the Thunderbolts and Norman Osborn showing up, which was a huge thing at the time. It was a popular franchise along with Spidey mixing with the current continuity moreso than he had been prior to that and since OMD. That'd be my guess, not the writing/art team.

Slott had mentioned Menace being a big pull for American Son earlier but I don't agree with that one either, completely disagree actually. I think the Dark Reign tie-in is what the draw was there. Again, attaching Spidey to mainstream continuity.

[spideyboy_1111]

It seems like a lot of people around here enjoyed it, so I'm not sure which "everybody" you're talking about.

yea... even i enjoyed it.. just didn't like ock. it was much better then #500

[Spider-Gnome]

Hey Spider-Gnome...

You get an avatar option after a certain number of posts that i can't remember....300...?.....500??.....i am sure someone will know here....

Thanks, farmernudie.

Boy, judging how long these pages take to upload lately, that'll take me forever! :oldrazz:

[random_havoc]

I would say that of about 8 out of 10 MJ fans

You could say it, but you have absolutely no stats to back it up. It's your opinion (and one that's pretty friggin bizarre) and not a single person on these boards has agreed with you yet. I'd say it points more towards evidencing that you lust for her than anything. Most of us just found her an interesting character and a welcome part of the spidey mythos.

[SpideyInATree]

Yeah, and wouldn't it just suck if one of those fans got control of the band and forced them to just repeat the old stuff over and over again, and the band was never allowed to come out with anything that was different or which progressed in any significant way? Not only that but he ordered the band to pretend that they'd never written the new stuff and they weren't allowed to perform any of it...

That would really suck....

Actually as someone said earlier in the thread that would actually benefit some of the bands. Heh. It was not the material I was talking about. I was trying to make the analogy of the fan reactions between the two. Some fans are just never pleased no matter what. Maybe at one time they were and then things change...they don't like it. Things continue to change and still don't like it.

Just the way it is. I'm in this to read fun Spider-Man stories and that's what I'm getting.

[bryanss3]

My opinion on New Ways To Die doing well? Nothing to do with Slott really, or the art (though I think there might be more to the art than the writing), or even Venom. I honestly think it was mostly about the Thunderbolts and Norman Osborn showing up, which was a huge thing at the time. It was a popular franchise along with Spidey mixing with the current continuity moreso than he had been prior to that and since OMD. That'd be my guess, not the writing/art team.

Slott had mentioned Menace being a big pull for American Son earlier but I don't agree with that one either, completely disagree actually. I think the Dark Reign tie-in is what the draw was there. Again, attaching Spidey to mainstream continuity.

How was spider-man vs the thunderbolts mixing in with continuity. That's way different than American son. Regardless Dan Slott had an idea for a story Spider-Man vs Thunderbolts and then he writes it and it's a success, but his ideas, plot, and dialog have nothing to do with the success it was everything but Slott. It was Venom, t-bolts, JRJR, not Anti-Venom which Dan Slott created. You seem to have missed the point of what I was saying. The argument was that Dan Slott and JRJR working together didn't help sales at all for issue 600. I never said that's the only thing that helped sales, I'm saying it was a factor. Stop talking like Slott's a chump. He's done so much for this book regardless of what 3 or 4 people on this thread say. Good day.

Now let's all enjoy Fred Van Lente's issue today:)

[Dark Victory]

^ Well said, Bryan. I started reading ASM just last November and I've been loving it.

"It's a brand new day, Webs. Either you embrace it or, well, you don't.":oldrazz:

[BlackLantern]

what they want is for Joe Q, Dan Slott, essentially anyone associated with ASM to get on bended knee and beg for forgiveness....

I have no issue with people not liking how things are now, that's the nature of fandom...what really raises my hackles is people that talk about the current line as if no good can come of it, that it is an undeniable fact that Peter Parker is better off married and so on, or that they speak for the majority of fans

We actually are a fairly split down the middle thread here I think

[spideyboy_1111]

what they want is for Joe Q, Dan Slott, essentially anyone associated with ASM to get on bended knee and beg for forgiveness....

I have no issue with people not liking how things are now, that's the nature of fandom...what really raises my hackles is people that talk about the current line as if no good can come of it, that it is an undeniable fact that Peter Parker is better off married and so on, or that they speak for the majority of fans

We actually are a fairly split down the middle thread here I think

we weren't post OMD and had very little feuds. personally i think that says alot.

[BlackLantern]

we weren't post OMD and had very little feuds. personally i think that says alot.

that some of you need a hug??:oldrazz:

[Themanofbat]

Harry used to be the one villain everyone would point to and say "see he's still dead." But none of that means anything anymore.

Uhhhmmmm... Norman Osborn, anyone?

That guy was "dead" for 23 years, yet a lot of people seem to be happy that he's back...

Get off your soapbox and chill out... really.

:yay:

[Themanofbat]

Dacman is an older fan, and like most older people thinks he's right all the time...but ill read his posts because he does have a lot of knowledge about Spider-Man and he does sometimes post things I agree with

I somehow doubt that... and when I say "older", I mean 25 years plus...

He is a fan... a rather "obsessed" one... but I'm not going to point who's a "real" fan and who "isn't"... because we all are and we all have different visions of what Spider-Man should and could be...

I think he has anger issues though... :o

:csad:

[Themanofbat]

And Bagley's run on Ultimate Spider-Man was some of the best Spidey stories since Lee's work.

And..... I can't say anything here without fear of getting banned...

Though that comment speaks VOLUMES!!!

:csad:

[Themanofbat]

Ok. Like I said I even bought the entire run. Why? Venom and Jr. Jr. It had nothing to do with Slott. I've read about a dozen issues of this guy so far and so far everything he has done has been pretty bad to down right terrible.

See? I don't get this...

You b^%$&%$^%$*$ch and complain that continuity is screwed up, yet...

1) Dan Slott uses Marvel's rich continuity as a creative tool in his storytelling...

2) Brian Bendis makes up his own continuity.

How can anybody take you seriously?

:huh: :huh: :huh:

[Themanofbat]

we weren't post OMD and had very little feuds. personally i think that says alot.

that some of you need a hug??:oldrazz:

I'll hug ya both....

:yay:

[TheCorpulent1]

Multi-quote, TMOB. Learn it, love it.

[DACMAN]

I want proof of this. The blanket statements are ridiculous how do you know the exact reason why a comic sold Id really like to know. The more you post the more it seems you are just bitter and talking out your ass.

The proof is in the fact that Slott has done other Spidey stories and they didn't sell out and go to a second printing. In fact alot of people hated them, but you throw Venom and Jr. Jr. in there after we've had one bad villain after another and people are going to jump all over it. And there's no reason to be an ass.

[BlackLantern]

well IIRC the last issue of ASM to go to a second printing was the "Obama" issue and thats for obvious reasons...I actually have 2 copies from the first printing of that

[DACMAN]

See? I don't get this...

You b^%$&%$^%$*$ch and complain that continuity is screwed up, yet...

1) Dan Slott uses Marvel's rich continuity as a creative tool in his storytelling...

2) Brian Bendis makes up his own continuity.

How can anybody take you seriously?

:huh: :huh: :huh:Dan Slott is part of a team that WIPED OUT Marvel's rich continuity!

Brian Bendis was asked to reinvision Spider-Man. There is a difference and you know that.

His character development is unmatched. His dialog is extremely engaging and natural. I remember an issue of Ultimate Spider-Man that he did that involved Aunt May and Peter just talking the entire time. And it was great! Normally I hate those kinds of issues but it was so well done. His character's are so fleshed out and believeable, his Spidey is spot on perfect and funny, and his action scenes are unforgetable. Ultimate Spider-Man is story telling at it's best. Dan Slott shouldn't even be allowed to work on the same character as Bendis.

[DACMAN]

well IIRC the last issue of ASM to go to a second printing was the "Obama" issue and thats for obvious reasons...I actually have 2 copies from the first printing of that

Everyone does. Which is why it won't be worth as much as people think.

[Dark Victory]

Dan Slott is part of a team that WIPED OUT Marvel's rich continuity!

Brian Bendis was asked to reinvision Spider-Man. There is a difference and you know that.

His character development is unmatched. His dialog is extremely engaging and natural. I remember an issue of Ultimate Spider-Man that he did that involved Aunt May and Peter just talking the entire time. And it was great! Normally I hate those kinds of issues but it was so well done. His character's are so fleshed out and believeable, his Spidey is spot on perfect and funny, and his action scenes are unforgetable. Ultimate Spider-Man is story telling at it's best. Dan Slott shouldn't even be allowed to work on the same character as Bendis.


I agree with you, Ultimate Spider-Man is what got me into comics and I love nearly all 133 issues, but you're being unfair. Dan Slott has nowhere been given as much freedom as Bendis and Dan Slott's written a fraction of Spider-Man comics compared to Bendis.

[BlackLantern]

I agree with you, Ultimate Spider-Man is what got me into comics and I love nearly all 133 issues, but you're being unfair. Dan Slott has nowhere been given as much freedom as Bendis and Dan Slott's written a fraction of Spider-Man comics compared to Bendis.

Slott didn't start writing Spider-Man until mid - late '07 as opposed to Bendis who's had a much longer tenure with the character and in the Ultimate line, which has a bit more creative freedom and room to manuever than the regular line...Im not a HUGE Bendis fan, but I like his stuff and I think its best suited for the books...if he was to work on a Spidey film, those nuances he is so famous for will probably not translate well to a big screen scene...people usually don't associate CBFs with "nuances"

[Themanofbat]

The proof is in the fact that Slott has done other Spidey stories and they didn't sell out and go to a second printing. In fact alot of people hated them, but you throw Venom and Jr. Jr. in there after we've had one bad villain after another and people are going to jump all over it. And there's no reason to be an ass.

When you claim "in fact", it has to be factual.

Where is this "proof" that a LOT of people hated Dan Slott's stories...

Spidey-fan or not, it's becoming quite a fact that you are quite narrow-minded and see life trough tunnel-vision glasses.

:csad:

[Themanofbat]

Dan Slott is part of a team that WIPED OUT Marvel's rich continuity!

The history is still there... take off those blinders.

Brian Bendis was asked to reinvision Spider-Man. There is a difference and you know that.

Which made Bendis' job writing USM that much easier, because he just rehashed all the originals stories... Captain Stacy died... check... Clone Saga... check... Sinister Six... check...symbiotes... check.

Oh wait... he created a new guy called Gheldof... :up:

:whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

His character development is unmatched. His dialog is extremely engaging and natural. I remember an issue of Ultimate Spider-Man that he did that involved Aunt May and Peter just talking the entire time. And it was great! Normally I hate those kinds of issues but it was so well done. His character's are so fleshed out and believeable, his Spidey is spot on perfect and funny, and his action scenes are unforgetable. Ultimate Spider-Man is story telling at it's best. Dan Slott shouldn't even be allowed to work on the same character as Bendis.

If you have ever read a New Avengers book, and maybe you do, and maybe you like Spidey's dialogue in that book, but nonetheless, whenever you read a review, at least on this board, of the latest New Avengers issue, one of the main gripes I keep hearing is how "BENDIS CANNOT WRITE 616 SPIDER-MAN!!!"

Whatever your personal gripe is with the current web-head writers, keep it to yourself... because ANYONE with a decent reading history with Marvel boosk will tell you that Dan Slott is TERRIFIC when it comes to continuity... and Bendis will make his own on the fly.

You want proof? Start a thread... and make a poll.

In fact, I'll do it.

:yay:

[Ion Kenshin]

The proof is in the fact that Slott has done other Spidey stories and they didn't sell out and go to a second printing. In fact alot of people hated them, but you throw Venom and Jr. Jr. in there after we've had one bad villain after another and people are going to jump all over it. And there's no reason to be an ass.
Do you even read the posts that people make. You are the only person who thinks that issue 600 sold out solely because of Dan Slott. No one else. Everyone else has said it was a factor meaning that Dan Slott and all the other things that you have listed were factors, you know part of the reason, a fraction of the whole, that helped the sales of ASM 600 you "proof" is really not proof at all. You can't even see when people are partially agreeing with you. I am thoroughly convinced that this comes down to nothing but a hatred of Slott as well as the current Spidey braintrust. You become more and more ridiculous with each post. If you do not have actual evidence to back up your claim it is simply an opinion. No one is saying it is wrong yet you seem to be of the opinion that your views on the current spidey mythos are pure unarguable fact and everyone else is wrong and it could not be farther from the truth.

[SpideyInATree]

Dan Slott is part of a team that WIPED OUT Marvel's rich continuity!

Brian Bendis was asked to reinvision Spider-Man. There is a difference and you know that.

His character development is unmatched. His dialog is extremely engaging and natural. I remember an issue of Ultimate Spider-Man that he did that involved Aunt May and Peter just talking the entire time. And it was great! Normally I hate those kinds of issues but it was so well done. His character's are so fleshed out and believeable, his Spidey is spot on perfect and funny, and his action scenes are unforgetable. Ultimate Spider-Man is story telling at it's best. Dan Slott shouldn't even be allowed to work on the same character as Bendis.

Dan Slott had nothing to do with the One More Day storyline. Marvel hired him to be part of the Spider-Man brain trust AFTER One More Day. It's not like Dan Slott was sitting around and said, "Oh, hey, Joe I'm totally with you on this One More Day thing and going about having Peter and Mary Jane make a deal with Mephisto". You know who's idea that was? Joe Quesada and JMS! Yes, JMS. The guy that you wanted to come back to the Spider-Man books. :oldrazz: If there is a writer you want to throw verbal attacks throw it at JMS, the master planner of One More Day.

Dan Slott doesn't know anything about continuity? Holy poo on a stick! I'm guessing you never EVER read Dan Slott's She-Hulk run, have you? Ok, She-Hulk is not Spider-Man but so much of the Marvel Universe appeared in that book.

How about a Spider-Man book. Did you ever read the Spider-Man/Human Torch miniseries? That was FILLED, ABSOLUTELY FILLED with Spider-Man continuity! It's one of the main reasons he GOT the job on writing Amazing Spider-Man.

How about the short lived Thing series that he did? I guess that didn't have tons of awesome continuity in it?

And, of course, he didn't sell that well. Many of the average comic fans didn't know who Dan Slott was but he's definitely built a cult following. He's not a Bendis. He's not a Millar. He's building himself up and he's proving it VERY WELL, in my opinion. I think, out of all the writers in the brain trust, he's been the one who has been BRINGING the continuity to the stories!

Don't even get me started on Bendis. The guy wrote a great series in Powers. He does awesome on Ultimate Spider-Man which is HIS creation pretty much. On New Avengers he is pretty good but he has done nothing but use Spider-Man as cheap comic relief. It was only in the last TWO ISSUES of that series that he had Spider-Man actually say something other than a lame joke where the other members didn't want to choke him. Bendis is a good writer. He is. But continuity? Between him and Slott, trust me, Dan Slott beats him like a red headed step child. :o

And you compared Mark Bagley to Stan Lee earlier in the thread. Mark Bagley is an AWESOME ARTIST. Stan Lee is NOT an artist. He's a writer. Steve Ditko plotted the first 30 some issues of that series with his artwork and all Stan Lee did was fill in the captions and the word balloons. You can't compare Mark Bagley with Stan Lee. Maybe STEVE DITKO and MARK BAGLEY! That would be more relevant.

[BlackLantern]

I'll admit I love "Powers", probably Bendis' best work

[TheCorpulent1]

I liked Torso.

[BlackLantern]

I have that somewhere, its probably in a box in my closet

[random_havoc]

A few thoughts to contribute:

-Dacman, I agree with your thoughts on OMD, and I think ASM 600 was subpar, but I disagree with your thoughts on Slott's overall writing. I think he's quite a good writer in general

-Whoever it was that suggested that Bendis only swiped and rehashed old ideas with USM is being pretty ignorant. The fact is that fans WANTED to see aspects of the classic stories re-done in an improved way. That was the whole point of the ultimate comics. He did what he was supposed to do, and what the fans wanted, and he had a ton of original content and twists on it. Taking something that people already loved and drastically improving it is certainly NOT easier than coming up with new stories or secondary characters on also already pre-existing characters.

-Also, Bendis writes 616 spidey very well. Bendis simply hasn't written 616 spidey in a solo yet, but in the avengers stories, especially the new avengers stories, he wrote him true to character, with lots of solid humor but not childish, irritating humor. I'd like some examples to prove otherwise.

[bryanss3]

I'm in the middle with Bendis writing Spidey in NA. My only real complaint is it seems like Spidey never turns the quip off. When there sitting around the table trying to make a plan he's usually making jokes instead of contributing. I like quip during fights, but it gets old for me if its nonstop. Bendis does have some great dialog in general for/between certain characters, but it seems like it happens less and less since DR started.

[kguillou]

Originally posted by Random_Havoc

A few thoughts to contribute:

-Dacman, I agree with your thoughts on OMD, and I think ASM 600 was subpar, but I disagree with your thoughts on Slott's overall writing. I think he's quite a good writer in general

-Whoever it was that suggested that Bendis only swiped and rehashed old ideas with USM is being pretty ignorant. The fact is that fans WANTED to see aspects of the classic stories re-done in an improved way. That was the whole point of the ultimate comics. He did what he was supposed to do, and what the fans wanted, and he had a ton of original content and twists on it. Taking something that people already loved and drastically improving it is certainly NOT easier than coming up with new stories or secondary characters on also already pre-existing characters.

-Also, Bendis writes 616 spidey very well. Bendis simply hasn't written 616 spidey in a solo yet, but in the avengers stories, especially the new avengers stories, he wrote him true to character, with lots of solid humor but not childish, irritating humor. I'd like some examples to prove otherwise.

I gotta contend with you on the Bendis writing 616 spiderman random_havoc. Bendis writes an annoying immature spiderman imo. On occasion he does give spidey some hilarious lines but most of the time spidey just says dumb childish things like: "YaY! Ninjas! I LOVE Ninjas!", "Worst Slumber party EVER!" "Aw i messed up my red booties". I could go one with childish things he said. 616 spiderman is not supposed to sound like that. Thats fine for ultimate spidey, but 616 spidey is supposed to be witty and sarcastic not silly.

[JewishHobbit]

How was spider-man vs the thunderbolts mixing in with continuity. That's way different than American son.

Becaue prior to that Spider-Man just didn't mix with the 616 post OMD. He was kinda in his own world. Then the Thunderbolts showed up, which were a big part of the marvel continuity. This then brought in marvel continuity to the Spider-Man book. It's not that hard of a concept really.

And American Son is the same. Spider-Man's doing his thing, still not really being addressed in the other mainstream 616 titles (save for New Avengers 50) and then Dark Reign comes and he's smack dab in the middle of Osborn's Dark Reign (though there may have been more lead up than I know... I didn't read anything prior to Dark Reign).

Regardless Dan Slott had an idea for a story Spider-Man vs Thunderbolts and then he writes it and it's a success, but his ideas, plot, and dialog have nothing to do with the success it was everything but Slott. It was Venom, t-bolts, JRJR, not Anti-Venom which Dan Slott created. You seem to have missed the point of what I was saying. The argument was that Dan Slott and JRJR working together didn't help sales at all for issue 600. I never said that's the only thing that helped sales, I'm saying it was a factor. Stop talking like Slott's a chump. He's done so much for this book regardless of what 3 or 4 people on this thread say. Good day.


Okay... way to take a statement and make accusations. I never said anything about Slott being a chump and I haven't downed the arc or issue 600 or anything about it. I just threw in what I thought was the main draw of New Ways To Die and American Son, which differs from what anyone else said.

But to touch on one of your points... I absolutely CAN say that the draw to NWTD was the Thunderbolts and not Slott because honestly, I was drawn to it and had no idea Slott even wrote the arc until later. The name on the cover means little to me no matter who it is. I have no favorite writer that I follow (a couple artists, but not many) it's content. If someone isn't a big Spidey fan, or have left since OMD, things like Menace isn't going to be a draw, things like Anti-Venom isn't going to be much of a draw (maybe some, but not by much I wouldn't think). It's whatever mainstream thing that the reader is already drawn to that I think would be the biggest draw... such as the Thunderbolts or Dark Reign. If they find they hate or enjoy what Slott gives them once its in their hands then great, but I wouldn't call that a draw.

Honestly, in regards to Menace... she kinda took me out of the story. I got American Son for the Dark Reign tie-in and she has nothing to do with anything that I care about and I just found her distracting and uninteresting... but that's just my opinion.

[bryanss3]

double post

[bryanss3]

I wasn't pointing my statement directly at you. Don't take it personal I was saying it in general to the people who seem to think Dan Slott's name means nothing. What I am saying is I don't think people understand what writing is. Choosing characters for your story is part of writing if the characters happen to be the Thunderbolts which happens to include 2 of Spidey's biggest villains thats just a good idea. I'm not saying Dan Slott's name is what got people to buy the book. I'm saying the book was his idea ideas are part of writing. If he didn't have that idea the story wouldn't have happened. Its not like they put Venom, Wolverine, or Obama on the cover to boost sales. It was an actual story. I don't think you can see what I'm saying. And by the way Anti-Venom was a draw. I'll agree not that many people care about Menace, But you can't actually say Venom being in a story pulled people in, but no one really cared about Anti-Venom. And logically when something like NWTD comes out and is good when you see issue 600 and the same writing and art team is on it you may also say this is will most likely be good and pick it up. Just wondering if Judd Winick and Rob Liefeld did issue 600's 60 page main story do you think it would have sold just as well?

[JewishHobbit]

what they want is for Joe Q, Dan Slott, essentially anyone associated with ASM to get on bended knee and beg for forgiveness....

I have no issue with people not liking how things are now, that's the nature of fandom...what really raises my hackles is people that talk about the current line as if no good can come of it, that it is an undeniable fact that Peter Parker is better off married and so on, or that they speak for the majority of fans

We actually are a fairly split down the middle thread here I think

While an apology would be nice, I have no desire to see that from anyone. It doesn't do anything to fix anything, it's hollow. I want OMD reversed, period. It's just 4 issues. They have no problem changing 20 years of history... why not 4 more? Keep everything since then (BND) in continuity but just have it realized what Mephisto did, bring MJ back with Peter, and move forward. That's all I'm asking for.

[farmernudie]

This reboot is very devisive.

Let's leave the entire devil deal in the past...have the two remember they are married...and forget that anything to do with the devil ever happened.

And then move forward.

Anything else is going to just leave fans and the character spinning their/his wheels making no forward progression.

And the whole devil deal and the alternate historical world it created is ALWAYS going to leave a bad taste in the mouths of half the fans. Does Marvel really want half their customers not buying their comic, and looking at Pete like a total loser who is no longer heroic??

I mean, really. Look at all the forums in the cyber world out there,...this reboot is VERY devisive, period. Does anyone argue that? MArvel needs to re-unite their fanbase, not continue to split it!

They could be selling a LOT more issues if they weren't blaming their fans for Joe's mandate, and telling customers to move on!

[wobbly]

I figure they will have to come back to the deal at some point. Very poor show to just leave Peter and MJ giving Mephisto eternal jollies with their subconscious suffering on the matter.

[TheCorpulent1]

Divisive among fans but not really hurting sales too badly. Guess which part Marvel cares about more.

[Ion Kenshin]

Money money money mo---ney....mo---ney!!!!

[Tron Bonne]

And chips :up:

[Dark Victory]

Slott didn't start writing Spider-Man until mid - late '07 as opposed to Bendis who's had a much longer tenure with the character and in the Ultimate line, which has a bit more creative freedom and room to manuever than the regular line...Im not a HUGE Bendis fan, but I like his stuff and I think its best suited for the books...if he was to work on a Spidey film, those nuances he is so famous for will probably not translate well to a big screen scene...people usually don't associate CBFs with "nuances"

That's exactly what I said; I wasn't agreeing with DACMAN's opinion on Dan Slott, just Bendis' Ultimate Spider-Man.

[bryanss3]

And chips :up:

and cake

[farmernudie]

Well....IF it is really about business, like you all say...SERIOUSLY..Marvel has an EASY way to increase sales!...and that is to unite the fanbase by making the devil deal go away, and have Pete and MJ remember that they are married. It is SO simple. Keept he creative teams, the 3X, whatever. Just fix where his reboot has gone horribly wrong.

I think Joe is way too stubborn to correct his worst story and direction for a character ever, however. He wouldn't admit his direction is harmful, even if they sold only 10 issues a month. He'd hype it still, and say how well it is selling no matter what.

It will take a new EIC to put Spidey back on the good path and to unite the fanbase once again for their flagship hero.

Just like Darth Vader brought apon everyone the darker years, (which probably seemed good to some on the forums across the galaxy at the time), but evenetually his son Luke came along and brought balance to the force. Finally, deals with the Emperor came to an end. :cwink:

We just need an EIC to come along and bring "Balance to the Spider"!

Does Joe have a son who hits on his sister because he doesn't know better??? :oldrazz:

[JewishHobbit]

I wasn't pointing my statement directly at you. Don't take it personal I was saying it in general to the people who seem to think Dan Slott's name means nothing.

If you wasn't pointing it at me then you shouldn't have quoted me, especially when my quote had nothing to do with Slott's name meaning nothing.


What I am saying is I don't think people understand what writing is. Choosing characters for your story is part of writing if the characters happen to be the Thunderbolts which happens to include 2 of Spidey's biggest villains thats just a good idea. I'm not saying Dan Slott's name is what got people to buy the book. I'm saying the book was his idea ideas are part of writing. If he didn't have that idea the story wouldn't have happened. Its not like they put Venom, Wolverine, or Obama on the cover to boost sales. It was an actual story. I don't think you can see what I'm saying.

I think you have a thought in your head and your ignoring what I said just to go with your point.

I never said anything about the plot not pulling in readers. Exactly the opposite. The thunderbolts were involved in the plot and, in my opinion, the Thunderbolts are what drew the readers, period. That's it. I know that Dan Slott wrote it, came up with it, etc. but it wasn't his name that pulled the readers, it was his script (again, in my opinion). Dan's a good writer, but I don't think he's quite to the level yet where fans will flock to things his name's on. He's getting there, but he's not there yet.


And by the way Anti-Venom was a draw. I'll agree not that many people care about Menace, But you can't actually say Venom being in a story pulled people in, but no one really cared about Anti-Venom.

I never said Venom pulled people in... I said the Thunderbolts. Venom's just one of the characters. And I did say that Anti-Venom may have had SOME pull, but not as much as the Thunderbolts and Spider-Man's inclusion into the mainstream 616 with the story.

And logically when something like NWTD comes out and is good when you see issue 600 and the same writing and art team is on it you may also say this is will most likely be good and pick it up. Just wondering if Judd Winick and Rob Liefeld did issue 600's 60 page main story do you think it would have sold just as well?


Honestly... yeah I do. If fans are willing to look past OMD and the crap that's happened due to it, I really don't see a creative team scaring them away. For those of you who SWEAR that Spidey is good under Slott and the others, there's other people who would SWEAR it'd be good under Winick. He has written some good stuff after all. And dispite all the moaning and groaning, Lefield does have a quiet fanbase out there.

Really though... some of you people would stick with Spidey when his very character was raped in OMD and he's doing out of character things like getting drunk and sleeping around... but being drawn with an extra forearm is just too much!? That's just funny to me.

So my answer in short... yes. Fans that support this Post OMD Spidey would probably support just about anything. And I still think the nice shiny 600 on the cover would lead it into second printings.

[JewishHobbit]

Divisive among fans but not really hurting sales too badly. Guess which part Marvel cares about more.

Psh, obviously not the fans. Otherwise he wouldn't have done a move that he KNEW would enrage and alienate so many fans and he wouldn't continue with his story knowing that it's still splitting and causing resentment among the fans.

So yeah, the fans mean very little to Joe Quesada when there's a dollar to be made.

[bryanss3]

If you wasn't pointing it at me then you shouldn't have quoted me, especially when my quote had nothing to do with Slott's name meaning nothing.

I apologize for quoting you and not talking directly to you in my previous post on a message board where everyone can see it. Next time I'll personally attack you instead of a broad general statement that you interpret is an attack.




I think you have a thought in your head and your ignoring what I said just to go with your point.

I never said anything about the plot not pulling in readers. Exactly the opposite. The thunderbolts were involved in the plot and, in my opinion, the Thunderbolts are what drew the readers, period. That's it. I know that Dan Slott wrote it, came up with it, etc. but it wasn't his name that pulled the readers, it was his script (again, in my opinion). Dan's a good writer, but I don't think he's quite to the level yet where fans will flock to things his name's on. He's getting there, but he's not there yet.

No you missed my point the only point I was trying to make was Dan Slott is an effective piece of all the things that factor into making ASM good and you just agreed.




I never said Venom pulled people in... I said the Thunderbolts. Venom's just one of the characters. And I did say that Anti-Venom may have had SOME pull, but not as much as the Thunderbolts and Spider-Man's inclusion into the mainstream 616 with the story.

Do you think ASM wasn't part of 616 till that arc? Thunderbolts was a really good book at the time but it wasn't selling like hotcakes till after NWTD.




Honestly... yeah I do. If fans are willing to look past OMD and the crap that's happened due to it, I really don't see a creative team scaring them away. For those of you who SWEAR that Spidey is good under Slott and the others, there's other people who would SWEAR it'd be good under Winick. He has written some good stuff after all. And dispite all the moaning and groaning, Lefield does have a quiet fanbase out there.

Really though... some of you people would stick with Spidey when his very character was raped in OMD and he's doing out of character things like getting drunk and sleeping around... but being drawn with an extra forearm is just too much!? That's just funny to me.

So my answer in short... yes. Fans that support this Post OMD Spidey would probably support just about anything. And I still think the nice shiny 600 on the cover would lead it into second printings.

wow do you realize how close minded that is? We don't support just about anything we support good writing and good stories. we are capable of comprehending Spider-Man is a fictional character who made a deal with a fictional character because the company that owns him wanted him to be single. We can also accept it and and understand why other people don't. There have bad some bad issues since BND started and people who enjoy BND and beyond are vocal about the issues that were bad and move on unlike all you anti OMD/BND people who can't seem to get over a story that will be 2 years old pretty soon. Accept it. please stop holding a bias against the book. please do us all a favor and drop it(if you're still buying it), stop complaining cause you're not going to change anything you're just taking up space and please. You make things up such as "Really though... some of you people would stick with Spidey when his very character was raped in OMD and he's doing out of character things like getting drunk and sleeping around" He got drunk at a wedding to try to stir up enough courage to talk to his ex-girlfriend(that could happen to anyone) and ended up sleeping with 1 Woman. Where is the sleeping around? 1 woman doesn't qualify as sleeping around ever. sorry. Go ahead pull the panel from ASM extra#2 where Spidey says he doesn't drink well guess what Peter Parker does and he did it at a wedding among friends and family responsibly. Spider-Man doesn't drink because he has a job to do, Peter Parker wasn't in superhero mode at the wedding and had no reason to be. Are people that dense that I actually had to explain that? Because people like you clearly can't let one story go everything after it is crap. Guess what it's not. We're all enjoying it except for about 4 or 5 people on here. If we had a vote you'd lose unless you you go round up all the people who show up to complain abut OMD every 2 or 3 months and then disappear. If you hold fictional characters that close to your heart good for you, but can you please be adults and stop complaining about something that happened about 2 years ago. I honestly don't care how long you've been reading Spidey. Whether it's been 10 years or 40 if you can't comprehend that you don't decide whats right for the character the company that owns it and its writers do thats your problem not ours. No matter what theories or ideas on how Marvel could have made the marriage work guess what those idea don't matter it's done. Marvel doesn't owe anyone an apology for OMD no matter how many fans say they do. Please grow up and get over it.

I apologize if you disagree with my statement but please don't make ignorant statements like that and generalize all of us who are still enjoying ASM just because you refuse to enjoy it.

[farmernudie]

He got drunk at a wedding to try to stir up enough courage to talk to his ex-girlfriend(that could happen to anyone) and ended up sleeping with 1 Woman.


Pete as Spider-Man has witnessed the deaths of many.

*He has fought monsters, villians, creatures, cosmic entities, friends.

*He has been hated, chased, hunted, locked in a mental ward, buried alive.

*He has lived and been through so many much more traumatic things in his life that if he were prone to get drunk, these OTHER things would have led him to that.

Last on the list of things to make Pete get plastered to the point of being unable to be responsible or remember his actions in anyway would be daring to talk to his wife at a wedding.

Like it or hate it, can't we just agree that reason this unfortunate event (plastered with sex) happened is part of the agenda to portray Pete as young groovy hip guy now!!???

[DACMAN]

The history is still there... take off those blinders.



Which made Bendis' job writing USM that much easier, because he just rehashed all the originals stories... Captain Stacy died... check... Clone Saga... check... Sinister Six... check...symbiotes... check.

Oh wait... he created a new guy called Gheldof... :up: And I would say the exact opposite. It is harder to take stories we are familar with and some a lot of people even hate (Clone Saga) and make them interesting and enjoyable. He had to take something that we are already very familar with and make it brand new. Anyone can create a crappy villain. Slott has proven that a few times.








If you have ever read a New Avengers book, and maybe you do, and maybe you like Spidey's dialogue in that book, but nonetheless, whenever you read a review, at least on this board, of the latest New Avengers issue, one of the main gripes I keep hearing is how "BENDIS CANNOT WRITE 616 SPIDER-MAN!!!"

Whatever your personal gripe is with the current web-head writers, keep it to yourself... because ANYONE with a decent reading history with Marvel boosk will tell you that Dan Slott is TERRIFIC when it comes to continuity... and Bendis will make his own on the fly.

You want proof? Start a thread... and make a poll.

In fact, I'll do it.

:yay: Keep it to myself? Ok. Because you said so. :whatever:
Keep it to myself...what are you six? You do know that we are on a message board right? Keep your stupid comments to yourself. There's no reason to be a prick. You're acting like Dan Slott is your mom or something.







By the way, if true, tell your mom she sucks at writing Spidey.

[DACMAN]

Pete as Spider-Man has witnessed the deaths of many.

*He has fought monsters, villians, creatures, cosmic entities, friends.

*He has been hated, chased, hunted, locked in a mental ward, buried alive.

*He has lived and been through so many much more traumatic things in his life that if he were prone to get drunk, these OTHER things would have led him to that.

Last on the list of things to make Pete get plastered to the point of being unable to be responsible or remember his actions in anyway would be daring to talk to his wife at a wedding.

Like it or hate it, can't we just agree that reason this unfortunate event (plastered with sex) happened is part of the agenda to portray Pete as young groovy hip guy now!!???Careful, your starting to make some good points. QUICK! SOMEONE MAKE A POLL AND TELL HIM TO KEEP HIS OPINION TO HIMSELF!!!!!:whatever:

Pete has seen some horrible stuff but all it takes is an ex-girlfriend to turn him into a drinker? Yeah right.

[JewishHobbit]

I apologize for quoting you and not talking directly to you in my previous post on a message board where everyone can see it. Next time I'll personally attack you instead of a broad general statement that you interpret is an attack.

Whatever dude. You're obviously just in the mood to argue. I don't know who you are and I don't really care to get snippy, but I'll at least finish this post.


No you missed my point the only point I was trying to make was Dan Slott is an effective piece of all the things that factor into making ASM good and you just agreed.

Sure, whatever.

Do you think ASM wasn't part of 616 till that arc? Thunderbolts was a really good book at the time but it wasn't selling like hotcakes till after NWTD.

Honestly, no, I didn't. When other books with Spider-Man in it didn't reference or deal with OMD I wasn't sure it wasn't some mental thing, or a Secret Invasion lead-in, or whatever. But besides that, Spider-Man was being written in its own little world up until that point, and so that story then broadened it's world to include the rest of the 616. This really isn't that hard of a concept to grasp. Just take a minute to think about it.


Wow do you realize how close minded that is? We don't support just about anything we support good writing and good stories. we are capable of comprehending Spider-Man is a fictional character who made a deal with a fictional character because the company that owns him wanted him to be single. We can also accept it and and understand why other people don't. There have bad some bad issues since BND started and people who enjoy BND and beyond are vocal about the issues that were bad and move on unlike all you anti OMD/BND people who can't seem to get over a story that will be 2 years old pretty soon.

Actually you're wrong there. The story didn't finish 2 years ago, it's still going on because the repercussions are still a main storyline. It's like back in the Clone Saga when Peter ended up being the clone. A year or two later people were still upset because he was a clone and Ben was the real one. Just because the "Trial of Peter Parker" arc was done and the controversial plot finished, doesn't mean the story is over. Ben was still the real Spider-Man and Peter was still the clone. People had every right to be upset.

In this case, it's exactly the same. Peter made the deal in OMD, but here we are 50 issues later and he's still unmarried, still having made a deal with the devil, and Aunt May is still alive and kicking with no repercussions. The OMD storyline is still moving forward. They're even playing up MJ's return to the book as a big thing... why would they do that if not as a reference to OMD and what happened? So no, my memory isn't as short as yours.

Accept it. please stop holding a bias against the book. please do us all a favor and drop it(if you're still buying it), stop complaining cause you're not going to change anything you're just taking up space and please.

I dropped it from day one, tried it again twice to be fair and will try it again come the Clone Saga stuff. That's me being fair and opened minded. However, I just can't get into it anymore. It's not the book I remembered and fell in love with. I've not made any harsh criticisms toward Dan Slott or the book lately, just OMD itself. In this little scenerio, you're the one with the attidtude here. Take your own advice and drop it.

You make things up such as "Really though... some of you people would stick with Spidey when his very character was raped in OMD and he's doing out of character things like getting drunk and sleeping around" He got drunk at a wedding to try to stir up enough courage to talk to his ex-girlfriend(that could happen to anyone) and ended up sleeping with 1 Woman. Where is the sleeping around? 1 woman doesn't qualify as sleeping around ever. sorry.

First off... Peter doesn't drink... period. Someone posted a page of a comic to show it just a page or two back. As he said, he doesn't drink because with his Spider strength to be drunk would be irresponsible. His drinking to build courage to talk to a girl is out of character... is it not? I guess that's something to add on top of the Deal with the Devil list of mr "Power and Responsibility" ignoring his own sense of responsibility. Again, very much NOT Peter Parker.

I don't drink, never have, and I sure don't need it to get up courage to talk to a girl. If i can't get up the courage, I walk away, period. So no, that doesn't happen unless someone made a choice to drink. Peter wouldn't, period. Bad writing. And he slept with someone that he wasn't even dating... that is someone who sleeps around (and no, alcohol is not an okay excuse for it... it's a cheap out of character plot device). Peter is the key figure of Responsibility of the Marvel Universe and him doing this, especially when just under 2 years ago he had another HUGE Irresponsible storyplot doesn't help his character or my faith in the current writers to deliver the Peter Parker as he should be.

Because people like you clearly can't let one story go they're all crap.

Now who's making stuff up and jumping to conclusions? I've never said that the stories are all crap, just that they aren't Spider-Man as I've known him. The only story I sad was crap was OMD.

Guess what it's fiction if you hold fictional characters that close to your heart good for you, but can you please be adults and stop complaining about something that happened about 2 years ago. I honestly don't care how long you've been reading Spidey. Whether it's been 10 years or 40 if you can't comprehend that you don't decide whats right for the character the company that owns it and its writers do thats your problem not ours. No matter what theories or ideas on how Marvel could have made the marriage work guess what those idea don't matter it's done. Marvel doesn't owe anyone an apology for OMD no matter how many fans say they do. Please grow up and get over it.

"Please grow up" says the person who picked a fight with me about something I didn't even say. You come here obvioulsy looking for a fight and I should grow up? Go back to Jr. High there buddy. You're a joke.

And as for making things up... again, I didn't say I wanted an apology, I said I didn't want an apology. Way to put that little bit of criticism in my mouth. Future advice when you want to pick a fight with someone... do it based on what they've said, not on what everyone else says. It's immature and childish. Go back to debate school.

I apologize if you disagree with my statement but please don't make ignorant statements like that and generalize all of us who are still enjoying ASM just because you refuse to enjoy it.


Maybe that was a bit sweaping, and for that I apologize to those it doesn't apply to. And for the record, I don't refuse to enjoy the book. I didn't enjoy NWTD, I did enjoy American Son, it's just not Spider-Man. It feels more like some teen comic, Slingers or 90's Nova or something. Not the Spidey as he was created to be.

Again, you screwed up here buddy, not me. If you were a bigger man you could have just apologized for your mistake when it was still just a simple one, but instead you chose to esculate it to this and acting childish about it all the way. As I said before, I have no idea who you are, don't really care. There's other OMD/BND supporters on here who I actually respect and if I want to debate the topic I'll go to them.

And with that I'm done with you. Respond to this post if you want, I don't plan on reading it. Sorry for the inconvenience.

[JewishHobbit]

Pete as Spider-Man has witnessed the deaths of many.

*He has fought monsters, villians, creatures, cosmic entities, friends.

*He has been hated, chased, hunted, locked in a mental ward, buried alive.

*He has lived and been through so many much more traumatic things in his life that if he were prone to get drunk, these OTHER things would have led him to that.

Last on the list of things to make Pete get plastered to the point of being unable to be responsible or remember his actions in anyway would be daring to talk to his wife at a wedding.

Like it or hate it, can't we just agree that reason this unfortunate event (plastered with sex) happened is part of the agenda to portray Pete as young groovy hip guy now!!???

Very well put.

[mre]

I think the whole reason they had Peter do this was to show that it was irresponsible.
One of the reasons why Spider-Man was so popular, because he was young and still prone to be making mistakes. And even at the age he is at now, he can still make mistakes.

So the fact that every one is getting upset at Peter, is exactly what the writers want/expected.

[DACMAN]

So you're saying they're actually trying to piss fans off now and it isn't even an accident anymore?

[DACMAN]

First off... Peter doesn't drink... period. Someone posted a page of a comic to show it just a page or two back. As he said, he doesn't drink because with his Spider strength to be drunk would be irresponsible. His drinking to build courage to talk to a girl is out of character... is it not? I guess that's something to add on top of the Deal with the Devil list of mr "Power and Responsibility" ignoring his own sense of responsibility. Again, very much NOT Peter Parker.

I don't drink, never have, and I sure don't need it to get up courage to talk to a girl. If i can't get up the courage, I walk away, period. So no, that doesn't happen unless someone made a choice to drink. Peter wouldn't, period. Bad writing. And he slept with someone that he wasn't even dating... that is someone who sleeps around (and no, alcohol is not an okay excuse for it... it's a cheap out of character plot device). Peter is the key figure of Responsibility of the Marvel Universe and him doing this, especially when just under 2 years ago he had another HUGE Irresponsible storyplot doesn't help his character or my faith in the current writers to deliver the Peter Parker as he should be.





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All very well said by the way Jewish Hobbit.

[bryanss3]

JewishHobbit I'm not sure what you want me to apologize for other than sharing my opinion, but I certainly didn't pick a fight. I didn't call you out I responded to something you said that sparked from something I said. If that is picking a fight thats just about all anyone on here does. If you are quoted that doesn't mean I am speaking only to you. If I wanted to speak solely to you I'd PM you. This is a public form. My response is to anyone who shares the same views on the subject as you so I don't have to type it over when someone else responds. I can't believe I actually have to explain how a message board works to someone. You take my responses too personal for some reason. It's just a message board honestly don't get heated over it. Clearly your outrage over me saying grow up shows you need to. Usually when someone tells you to grow up responding by insulting them shows them you're not going to any time soon. You claim you're not going to read this but we all know you will. Have fun and if you respond I hope you're in a better mood.

[Themanofbat]

And I would say the exact opposite. It is harder to take stories we are familar with and some a lot of people even hate (Clone Saga) and make them interesting and enjoyable. He had to take something that we are already very familar with and make it brand new. Anyone can create a crappy villain. Slott has proven that a few times.

Hahaha... my friend met Bendis at the Toronto ComicCon a few years back, and when asked how can Bendis write so many books, Bendis himself said that he doesn't really write USM because it writys itself... and look in the USM thread... look at any thread in the last 5 years... even the most arden Ultimate supporter gave up on USM during Bendis' version of the Clone Saga because it was utterly ridiculous... though again, if YOu thought it was interesting and enjoyable, that speaks VOLUMES...

And look at the New Avengers... what has Bendis created there other than ninjas? Bendis has been pretty creative in the past, usually with his own works, like Torso & Powers, but he somewhat sucks when it comes to regular Marvel characters... he has his moments though... I'll give him that.

I love this quote... "He had to take something that we are already very familar with and make it brand new."..

Uhmmm... maybe he took something familiar and made it boring...:sleepy:


Keep it to myself? Ok. Because you said so. :whatever:
Keep it to myself...what are you six? You do know that we are on a message board right? Keep your stupid comments to yourself. There's no reason to be a prick. You're acting like Dan Slott is your mom or something.

I act like I'm six because I have to stoop to your level, which I would be guessing is around 5...

Read my post again... you were making (yet again) ignorant statements about stuff you have no idea what you're talking about and making it out to be "factual", for what is becoming an obvious vendetta... so I basically told you to STFU before you make yourself sound even more stupid, but I guess we're too late for that one... so keep talking Einstein... your eggplant IQ is shining through...

... and the best part is after you explain to me that we're on a message board and then you tell me to keep my comments to myself...

What a maroon... :woot: :woot: :woot:

By the way, if true, tell your mom she sucks at writing Spidey.

And your Mom simply sucks... and in a good way. :up:

:yay:

[JewishHobbit]

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9171/asm601spideydoesntdrink.jpg


All very well said by the way Jewish Hobbit.

Thank you, sir. OMD ticks me off but this might tick me off just a bit more because it's the second time they go against the character's core responsibility ethic... and drinking hits home with me being raised by a drunk and all. I get bitter toward anything having to do with alcohol. It's just in my nature.

[theunseenmarvel]

i think he means what his "devil" trick will be... typically speaking devil deals tend to back fire and give the devil a double win.

Exactly! thanks spidey!

[theunseenmarvel]

a little off topic but I loved the character Toxin he ruled what hapend to him?

[JewishHobbit]

Last I heard he had his mini branching from New Avengers' Breakout arc.

Am I remembering that right? Didn't he have a mini like that? It's been too long, I don't remember. Was never a huge Toxin fan. I liked Venom, Carnage, Scream, Riot, and the others. For some reason Hybrid and Toxin did nothing for me.

[bryanss3]

I thought Toxin joined the Initiative, but haven't really seen him since. I think he's a good idea for a character and wish they'd do something with him even though I didn't like his mini that much. It'd be cool to see what a character as powerful as Venom could do as a good guy, but not be an anti-hero at the same time.

Speaking of unused characters I really like Shriek for some reason. I wish someone would do something with her. She's ridiculously powerful.

[Hunter Rider]

DACMAN and TMOB, I am gonna call your fight a draw and leave it at that, don't continue after this point and that will be that.

[Arach Knight]

1) I can not really defend DACMAN, but I think I understand his ill worded point. The issue at hand is that the current run of AMS does not sell well on the merit of the writing/stories, but rather sells well because of the huge event/gimmick issues. Those stories always draw in a larger number of readers.

The only reason that Spidey sales have only fallen moderately rather than drastically, is because the previous two under selling titles (FNS, SS) were cut and Amazing was turned into a thrice monthly title. So basically, hardcore AMS fans are now buying AMS more times in a month. So the sales numbers are perhaps more reflective of hardcore readership rather than sustained fanbase or even new readers. Of course, this is only in theory. There is no evidence to support this other than reasonable conjecture.

2) Dan Slott is a fairly competent writer. Back when AMS was equally divided amongst the SBT (one issue per month, per member) I always preferred the Slott written issues. He did come up with Mr. Negative, and a lot of the plots revolving around Mr. Negative tended to be interesting. Now that doesn't excuse some of the writing, but over all, the man does a good job. Nobody is flawless at writing comics. Except Greg Rucka, Alan Moore and BKV. I love everything those guys write. Everything...

[Blader5489]

First off... Peter doesn't drink... period. Someone posted a page of a comic to show it just a page or two back. As he said, he doesn't drink because with his Spider strength to be drunk would be irresponsible.

Didn't someone a few pages back (probably TMOB) just list past examples of Peter drinking?

Anyway, I read #601 the other day and I lol'd at Peter's "swiss-cheesed memory" remark. I had to flip back to the beginning and check to see if it had said "written by farmernudie." :funny:

[spideyboy_1111]

so today's issue was alright, though i'm kinda tired of every villain getting a new look now... chameleon's was rooted back to his old mask routine and robe, which was cool... and while him having no eyes looks cool and creepy, it just didn't scream chameleon to me... just "man with no face"

[random_havoc]

I gotta contend with you on the Bendis writing 616 spiderman random_havoc. Bendis writes an annoying immature spiderman imo. On occasion he does give spidey some hilarious lines but most of the time spidey just says dumb childish things like: "YaY! Ninjas! I LOVE Ninjas!", "Worst Slumber party EVER!" "Aw i messed up my red booties". I could go one with childish things he said. 616 spiderman is not supposed to sound like that. Thats fine for ultimate spidey, but 616 spidey is supposed to be witty and sarcastic not silly.

But stuff like that IS more fitting for 616 spidey than ult. spidey and it is witty. I guess it depends on how you look at it but I took such comments from him as this more mature spidey's acknowledgement of the silliness of it all. The costumes they wear would be rather silly for an adult to wear, the booty comment draws attention to that. Perhaps it's which way one takes it then.

[Arach Knight]

Nobody can justifiably complain about Bendis writing an immature Spider-Man, when the whole point of BND was to retcon the character back to his immature era of fiscal irresponsibility (also see: craptacular job and bill troubles) and skirt chasing (also see: how many girls can Peter date, and who will care?). We went from a grown man taking responsibility and making sacrifice, to a guy who once again feels burderned by his alter ego and all the havok that brings upon his social life. Readers moved past that Peter, and now returned to that Peter. So getting upset at Bendis for writing a slap schtik Peter, just makes no sense. Unless we want Stan Lee retro, back when Spider-Man was an arrogant jerk in mask (thinking himself unbeatable), and a smug jerk in his thoughts (vengeful thinking against those who mocked him) while he was Peter.

[kguillou]

Eh, to each his own I suppose, I know humor is a very subjective matter but I just feel like Bendis portrays Spidey a little too child-like. JMS for example portrayed Spidey perfectly, he made him witty and mature at the same time. Bendis' Spidey acts sort of like an annoying clown.

Although to be fair Bendis knocks it out of the park sometimes. Like in the first issue of New Avengers, Spidey is talking to Captain America at the raft.

Cap: Spiderman! What's going on here?!

Spidey: I give up, whats going on here?

Cap: This is no time for smartass!

I love that exchange. lol

[theunseenmarvel]

I thought Toxin joined the Initiative, but haven't really seen him since. I think he's a good idea for a character and wish they'd do something with him even though I didn't like his mini that much. It'd be cool to see what a character as powerful as Venom could do as a good guy, but not be an anti-hero at the same time.

Speaking of unused characters I really like Shriek for some reason. I wish someone would do something with her. She's ridiculously powerful.

Isn't she that freaky chick that sorta hooked up with Carnage, Doppelganger, Demo goblin, and that weird guy that cud suck the life out of you and they went on a killing spree right?

[spideyboy_1111]

yup, and i love shriek as well.. she really spideys only notable female villain...

bring her back and make her mean something i say.

[bryanss3]

these are her powers from her wiki page.
-Ability to tap into people's minds and bring out their inner darkness (fear, anger, hate), making them act in violent manners
-Ability to shoot sonic energy blasts from her hands
-Ability to shield herself with a sonic buffer field
-Flight
she's the reason in Maximum Carnage there were ridiculous riots. She could be used easily. She showed up on the villain bar in one issue early on in BND I'd like to see someone do something with her even if it's not for Spidey. I wish there was still a She-Hulk series that'd be a cool fight. There are way too many characters not being used right now. Oh and the other guy you mentioned was Carion.

[Arach Knight]

Isn't she that freaky chick that sorta hooked up with Carnage, Doppelganger, Demo goblin, and that weird guy that cud suck the life out of you and they went on a killing spree right?

The last person you are thinking about is Carrion II. And yes, Shriek is that same woman. She is also present in the Maximum Carnage video game for SNES/Sega Genesis. She is first seen in a church fight where she and Doppleganger and Carnage basically decimate you and send you through a stained glass window.

[DACMAN]

a little off topic but I loved the character Toxin he ruled what hapend to him?

Yeah, I thought he was a really good character too with a lot of potential. I really loved the fact he was afraid of the "monster" inside of him and had to leave his family. I also loved the fact he was a cop. And the relationship between his symbiot and himself was really interesting and dynamic.

[spideyboy_1111]

these are her powers from her wiki page.
-Ability to tap into people's minds and bring out their inner darkness (fear, anger, hate), making them act in violent manners
-Ability to shoot sonic energy blasts from her hands
-Ability to shield herself with a sonic buffer field
-Flight
she's the reason in Maximum Carnage there were ridiculous riots. She could be used easily. She showed up on the villain bar in one issue early on in BND I'd like to see someone do something with her even if it's not for Spidey. I wish there was still a She-Hulk series that'd be a cool fight. There are way too many characters not being used right now. Oh and the other guy you mentioned was Carion.

gah no kidding...

i'd really like Shriek to return as a very formidable villainess. She's unique amd quite frankly i enjoy a psychotic villain. It bothers me that spider-man has virtually no note worthy female villains. And clearly you can have them (batman has several).

personally... i'd love to see shriek return, as well as carolyn trainer... who is aiding the dying Otto. I'd also like to see Calypso return... another formidable female who was just left out in limbo. I'd also like to see Scorpia brought back... who i think was last seen in Evil that Men Do. We already have scorpion the female ninja girl.. but since gargan is venom, we have no scorpion like him... so perfect chance to have scorpia return.

[spideyboy_1111]

Yeah, I thought he was a really good character too with a lot of potential. I really loved the fact he was afraid of the "monster" inside of him and had to leave his family. I also loved the fact he was a cop. And the relationship between his symbiot and himself was really interesting and dynamic.

meh, toxin was just another Hybrid. Who is yet another character thats been stuck in limbo

[BlackLantern]

I liked Shriek...Im also curious about this female Kraven (2 of them??) that there are glimpses of

[spideyboy_1111]

I liked Shriek...Im also curious about this female Kraven (2 of them??) that there are glimpses of

its kraven's wife and daughter. Or least his mistress.. he had to father his son somehow.. but I just wish it was Calypso.. she was a much more fun love interest

[TheCorpulent1]

Kraven must have the most "variant on a theme" follow-ups out of any villain. He's had two (or three? I lost count) sons, his wife, and now his daughter take up his theme, if not necessarily his name, after his death. Kind of crazy if you stop to think about it.

[spideyboy_1111]

Kraven must have the most "variant on a theme" follow-ups out of any villain. He's had two (or three? I lost count) sons, his wife, and now his daughter take up his theme, if not necessarily his name, after his death. Kind of crazy if you stop to think about it.

Kraven, 2 sons, calypso (who took on his theme cuz she loved him), his wife, his daughter. its nuts...

but the goblins got him beat.
4-green
4-hob
1 demo
2 gray (least well the one twin never became one, but still)
1 menace

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, right. Spider-Man ain't Spider-Man if he's not constantly plagued by goblin-themed nuts. Of those, I think I only liked Norman (before he died), Harry, Phil, and Jason.

[spideyboy_1111]

Oh, right. Spider-Man ain't Spider-Man if he's not constantly plagued by goblin-themed nuts. Of those, I think I only liked Norman (before he died), Harry, Phil, and Jason.

theres alot of legacy villains he's got when you think about it...
6-"kravens"
12-goblins
3 mysterios
3 scorpions ( if u count ninja)
2 sand people (quicksand)
4 ocks (otto, carolyn, the 6 arm dude in JMS's run, the kid that had octo arms)
like 10 symbiotes (who have names)
4 vultures

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah. A lot of them are just female riffs on male villains, too--Quicksand, Calypso, Kraven's wife and daughter, Menace, the female Scorpion (whom I actually like more than Gargan), Carolyn Trainer, some of the symbiotes... I can't remember if the 616 comics had a female Vulture, but I know there was a dark-haired chick in the Spider-Girl era.

[BlackLantern]

this creepy new Vulture with the red coat and acid saliva is plain creepy

[spideyboy_1111]

this creepy new Vulture with the red coat and acid saliva is plain creepy

yea... too freaky imo.. whats "vulture" like about a guy who spits acid and has a "predator" mouth?

[bryanss3]

Corp do you mean you like the female character with the scorpion tail or that ninja who may be Hulk's daughter?

[TheCorpulent1]

The ninja. She's a good character, even though I wasn't a fan of her recycling the Scorpion's name without having anything at all to do with the Scorpion.

I didn't know about any female with the Scorpion tail. Where/when did she appear?

[spideyboy_1111]

The ninja. She's a good character, even though I wasn't a fan of her recycling the Scorpion's name without having anything at all to do with the Scorpion.

I didn't know about any female with the Scorpion tail. Where/when did she appear?

http://www.samruby.com/Villains/Scorpia/scorpia.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpia_(comics)

recent pic
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix4/scorpiaspdrmn.htm

[bryanss3]

Yeah I like Her(the ninja too) There was a story About Her and Gargan as Venom fighting. I don't remember where it originally appeared but they reprinted it in the back of an issue in the Savage She-Hulk mini. I wish someone would explain why she just showed up working for Hydra in the Initiative a few issues back.

[TheCorpulent1]

They did. Her mom works for AIM and she's known as a mercenary/spy (although she really works for SHIELD), so she used those connections to inflitrate HYDRA. She did actually have a relationship with Hardball, though, which is kind of bleh. I can't stand Hardball.

[bryanss3]

When did that happen? in the Initiative if it was there I may have missed an issue. It's weird cause in that story where she fought Venom she was working with ARMOR

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, maybe she was working with ARMOR before. I don't know, I get all those acronyms mixed up now. I liked it when it was just SHIELD and HYDRA, but now we have SWORD, ARMOR, HAMMER, GRAMPA, etc.

Anyway, Wikipedia says she revealed her double-agent status in A:TI #24.

[bryanss3]

I'd like it better if they were just organized better and kind of explained. like how ARMOR was part of SHIELD but now that SHIELD is HAMMER it doesn't have control over ARMOR for some reason. speaking of things that don't make sense the Superhero Registration Act didn't work at all. Every hero on Earth we're reading about is unregistered right now and none of them have been arrested in any way. how exactly did the bad guys win in Dark Reign? Sure they have the upper hand, but they sure didn't win. I mean how hard is it really to capture the New Avengers? they're all in NY. It seems like Tony Stark was tougher than Osborn in that department.

plus in ASM it only mattered till he started getting framed for murder.

[spideyboy_1111]

I'd like it better if they were just organized better and kind of explained. like how ARMOR was part of SHIELD but now that SHIELD is HAMMER it doesn't have control over ARMOR for some reason. speaking of things that don't make sense the Superhero Registration Act didn't work at all. Every hero on Earth we're reading about is unregistered right now and none of them have been arrested in any way. how exactly did the bad guys win in Dark Reign? Sure they have the upper hand, but they sure didn't win. I mean how hard is it really to capture the New Avengers? they're all in NY. It seems like Tony Stark was tougher than Osborn in that department.

plus in ASM it only mattered till he started getting framed for murder.

well if im not mistaken, when iron man left shield he stole alot of info on heroes (like identities and loved ones info) and took it with him, so osborn couldn't have it.

[TheCorpulent1]

As I understand it, SHIELD, ARMOR, STRIKE, and SWORD were all UN organizations with different mandates but basically under the same umbrella. GRAMPA is the Global Reaction Agency for Mysterious Paranormal Activity and is an international organization. SHIELD lost its US funding and dissolved.

The US created HAMMER to take SHIELD's place, but only in the US. GRAMPA sort of fills in for SHIELD now in the international community.

SWORD still exists, probably still as a UN organization. According to an interview with Kieron Gillen, the writer of the upcoming SWORD series, Agent (still not sure why that's not "Director") Brand was too instrumental to defeating the Skrulls for the US to approve cutting SWORD off the way they did SHIELD (since it was SHIELD's then-leader Iron Man and his tech/methods that were scapegoated as the big failure that allowed the Skrulls to be so effective). So, until we hear differently, SWORD appears to be operating just as it did before, albeit on a smaller budget because the US is primarily relying on HAMMER now.

I don't really know what's going on with ARMOR or STRIKE now.

[bryanss3]

well if im not mistaken, when iron man left shield he stole alot of info on heroes (like identities and loved ones info) and took it with him, so osborn couldn't have it.

I didn't even mean from Personal info. Like if you run HAMMER how hard should it be to find Luke Cage or the rest of the New Avengers? The Mighty Avengers are a whole different story with Pym and the Negative zone and all that craziness. Thats one of those things that bothered me about American Son. Osborn had HAMMER and the Dark Avengers at his disposal but by the end Spider-Man got away. Way to use your resources Norm.

[theunseenmarvel]

Speaking of the registration act, what exactly hapend to spidey leading up to Brand New Day?

[spideyboy_1111]

Speaking of the registration act, what exactly hapend to spidey leading up to Brand New Day?

we talking the missing 100 days? or back in black?

[bryanss3]

Well Back in Black is when he put on the black costume and hung out with AC/DC. jk=)

[DACMAN]

theres alot of legacy villains he's got when you think about it...
6-"kravens"
12-goblins
3 mysterios
3 scorpions ( if u count ninja)
2 sand people (quicksand)
4 ocks (otto, carolyn, the 6 arm dude in JMS's run, the kid that had octo arms)
like 10 symbiotes (who have names)
4 vultures

You forgot Sandstorm. Who was actually pretty cool.

[Kitsune]

Wasn't quicksand more of a Thor foe?

[mre]

So you're saying they're actually trying to piss fans off now and it isn't even an accident anymore?

No that's not what I am saying at all. I am saying they are trying to portray Peter as someone who can still make mistakes.

[BlackLantern]

not every fan hates the current status of ASM with the rage of a thousand suns

[bryanss3]

I ate 1000 suns for breakfast this morning. It sounds more powerful than it actually is, but damn the OJ was good.

[theunseenmarvel]

What I meant more specifically was how the hell did be make contact with Mephisto?

[theunseenmarvel]

Plus what were the terms of the deal he made, what does Mephisto get in return for bringing aunt may back to life and making everyone forget about spidey revealing his secret identity? Another thing, why did he get rid of his natural ability to produce his own webbing?

[TheCorpulent1]

Mephisto got Peter and MJ's love. I guess it doesn't matter to him that they don't know it's gone and therefore it doesn't haunt them or anything.

[bryanss3]

oh you're new.

-Mephisto's deal
The deal as we know it now with the information given is. Peter knowns he did a mind wipe we don't know if he knows how it happened. It appears MJ knows everything. The deal was to erase the marriage thats what Mephisto got out of it. just the pure pleasure of erasing a holy comic union we know as marriage.

-The 100 days
what happened in those 100 days since is still a mystery which will eventually be revealed at some point.

-The new Secret Identity/mindwipe
No one has known his identity until a Fantastic Four 2 parter where he revealed it to them again and kind of explained how the mind wipe works and then in an issue of New Avengers He also revealed it to the group. In short this is how the mind wipe works. Everyone remembers Spider-Man and things they've done, but don't remember Peter Parker at all. Any clues that clearly point out Peter is Spider-Man will be completely oblivious to them, but If he is in the Spidey costume unmasked everything will come back and They'll remember Peter as a person.

-Where the organic webbing went?
The organic webbing being gone hasn't been explained, but I think it will be at some point in 2010. On Joe Quesada's blog a while back I remember he mentioned something with Spidey that they need to explain but they won't be doing it till next year. I'd assume its the Other stuff considering they're still using Morlun as a character in the Marvel Universe.

If there is anything else you're unclear on most of us on here are pretty good at filling people in so feel free to ask.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well Back in Black is when he put on the black costume and hung out with AC/DC. jk=) :hehe:

[farmernudie]

And with NWTD...or as I like to refer to it as...."BROTHERHOOD OF THE TRAVELING BLACK SUIT".....the black suit is on Gargan, while Eddie gets a new suit but uses way too much bleach on it. Then Peter tries to get them all to hang together for a special bonding road trip.

[SpideyInATree]

Really dug # 602 this week. Glad that Alberti was off as artist. Kitson's artwork was so much easier on my eyes and definitely helped with the creepiness of the whole Chameleon series of scenes. Loved what Van Lente has done with the Chameleon character. Very extra creepy vibe to him and has definitely made him dangerous. Also, Chameleon mentioned being at the May Parker/JJJ Sr. wedding too, wonder who he posed as. :woot:

Lots of stuff went on in this issue and I had such a wonderful classic Spider-Man vibe. The undercover cop as Slyde with them trying to capture Spider-man. Pete getting set up with a job by JJJ Sr. working for JJJ Jr. as a staff photographer. Good scene between Mary Jane and Harry. Loved the little twist as to who the Chameleon was disguised as when he captured Peter. Just lots of good stuff. And a classic Spider-Man cliffhanger that the book has always been known for.

Just having a LOT of fun with this book each and every week. And I really hope that Van Lente stays around the Spidey brain trust for a while. I just really dig his work. His Mister Negative miniseries is really awesome and he fleshed out that character so much. Great, great stuff. Can't wait for next week to see how Pete got himself out of that...acidic...situation! :oldrazz:

[Blader5489]

What I meant more specifically was how the hell did be make contact with Mephisto?

Mephisto came to him.

-The 100 days
what happened in those 100 days since is still a mystery which will eventually be revealed at some point.

I don't think that 100 day period is really any mystery. Pete was laying low that whole time so it's not like he did much, and we also know that during that time Harry returned and helped rebuild May's house.

I think the 100 day gap was just a way of getting ASM caught up with the rest of the MU, since BiB/OMD were all happening immediately after Civil War and most other books had moved past that era.

[farmernudie]

Originally Posted by theunseenmarvel http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=17326495#post17326495)
What I meant more specifically was how the hell did be make contact with Mephisto?


The devil keeps track of dying elderly old ladies, and if you're married, he'll trade you your marriage and make old ladies live longer.

[TheCorpulent1]

I guess God doesn't have a monopoly on working in mysterious ways anymore. ;)

[bryanss3]

Mephisto came to him.



I don't think that 100 day period is really any mystery. Pete was laying low that whole time so it's not like he did much, and we also know that during that time Harry returned and helped rebuild May's house.

I think the 100 day gap was just a way of getting ASM caught up with the rest of the MU, since BiB/OMD were all happening immediately after Civil War and most other books had moved past that era.

well they said they'd eventually reveal stuff from those 100, but I think it's more like one or two specific things within that period.

[DACMAN]

the devil keeps track of dying elderly old ladies, and if you're married, he'll trade you your marriage and make old ladies live longer.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!:woot: :woot::hehe::hehe:

And remove there memory of it for no apparent reason.

[Saved]

The devil keeps track of dying elderly old ladies, and if you're married, he'll trade you your marriage and make old ladies live longer.
Just make it "old people". Look at Crash Simpson.

[hippie_hunter]

Quesada says that the script that reveals what Mary-Jane whispered to Mephisto is in his hands, but will be released sometime early next year.

[spideyboy_1111]

so i really hope all continuity hasn't gone to hell... and Chameleon next issues remembers Mj and the beating she gave him.

[spideyboy_1111]

oh and a side note that i just realized... but shouldn't doc ock's brain trauma from the past be healed when he was resurrected by the hand?

[The Mighty Thor]

What gets me from reading the latest Cup o' Joe article is that Quesada actually thinks OMD was a good move for the character. He truly believes that he's done the franchise a favour.

what I’ve said in the past was that there were three genies that I wanted to get back in the bottle.

Cut down the number of mutants so that they became special again. See “House of M.”
Make the Marvel Universe as unpredictable a place as it was in the early 1960s. See “Civil War.”
Bring Peter Parker back to single status. See “One More Day.”
So, no hints necessary, so far all missions accomplished and it only took me close to ten years.

[bryanss3]

Joe Quesada's Marvel Goals List
1. Theres too many mutants what do i do? depower all of 97% of them. See "HOUSE of M"
2. Make things unpredictable how do I do that? Make all the superheroes fight each other in a mis-characterized story using a political analogy that the writer doesn't truly understand only to give the Marvel U a new Slogan "who do you trust". See "Civil War"
3. Make Spider-Man single again cause thats where I personallyMarvel wants the character. See "ONE MORE DAY"
4. Only do covers. I'm EIC i don't have to draw comics anymore.

[Themanofbat]

I don't think it was a personal vendetta with JQ... maybe he was all for it, but he certainly CANNOT make such a change without the backing of Marvel Comics Inc... and we know that Marvel has wanted a single Peter Parker since the early 90's...

[random_havoc]

so i really hope all continuity hasn't gone to hell... and Chameleon next issues remembers Mj and the beating she gave him.

I read my advanced copy. You will be disappointed.

But hey, the continuity in ASM is JUST FINE, they haven't crapped on it AT ALL *makes sure Quesada brand blinders are still firmly in place*

[Blader5489]

Didn't Chameleon lose his memory after his failed attempt at suicide?

[SpideyInATree]

But hey, the continuity in ASM is JUST FINE, they haven't crapped on it AT ALL *makes sure Quesada brand blinders are still firmly in place*

I wouldn't say the continuity is perfect. I also wouldn't say that they have crapped on it either. Actually I just wish they would come out and explain what's still in and what's out. Because in # 602 Chameleon says "Peter Parker...why is that name so familiar?". Obviously, the whole "mind wipe" thing has probably affected more than just Peter's identity. If his villains who knew he was Peter Parker, knew Mary Jane was his wife, then Chameleon is obviously not going to recall being beat by her since, because of One More Day, they were never married.

I haven't read this issue, as it's not out. Yet somehow you magically have an advanced copy. For someone who "proudly" has not bought an issue of Amazing Spider-Man since One More Day you certainly like reading them.

[JewishHobbit]

I wouldn't say the continuity is perfect. I also wouldn't say that they have crapped on it either. Actually I just wish they would come out and explain what's still in and what's out. Because in # 602 Chameleon says "Peter Parker...why is that name so familiar?". Obviously, the whole "mind wipe" thing has probably affected more than just Peter's identity. If his villains who knew he was Peter Parker, knew Mary Jane was his wife, then Chameleon is obviously not going to recall being beat by her since, because of One More Day, they were never married.

From what we're told, it doesn't matter that they weren't married. They were a live in couple, which is just as good and allows everything that's happened over the past 20 years happen just the same... supposedly.

I haven't read this issue, as it's not out. Yet somehow you magically have an advanced copy. For someone who "proudly" has not bought an issue of Amazing Spider-Man since One More Day you certainly like reading them.[/QUOTE]

He gets them sent to him for free (online I think) due to his being a reviewer.

[JewishHobbit]

I don't think it was a personal vendetta with JQ... maybe he was all for it, but he certainly CANNOT make such a change without the backing of Marvel Comics Inc... and we know that Marvel has wanted a single Peter Parker since the early 90's...

Unless it was a personal vendetta and since Marvel has been wanting it as well they allowed him his vendetta as well as the chance of taking the blame for it. If they wanted it erased before now they would have made it happen somewhere over the past 20 years. Remember, the mutants, the marraige... these were genies that QUESADA wanted to put back in the bottle during his tenure. He's been stating his plan for years before any of it happened.

And honestly, Quesada is the face-man of marvel. He was pushing for the single Spider-Man (he himself had stated it for years) so by all rights he should be the focal point of the blame. I'm sure that there are others higher up who supported OMD but Quesada's the point man. It happened during his tenure. He gets the finger pointed at him.

[SpideyInATree]

From what we're told, it doesn't matter that they weren't married. They were a live in couple, which is just as good and allows everything that's happened over the past 20 years happen just the same... supposedly.

I haven't read this issue, as it's not out. Yet somehow you magically have an advanced copy. For someone who "proudly" has not bought an issue of Amazing Spider-Man since One More Day you certainly like reading them.

He gets them sent to him for free (online I think) due to his being a reviewer.[/QUOTE]

Who does he review for? I'd actually like to go to where he reviews at. I also hope he doesn't get paid for these reviews either from the comments I've seen him make on the various threads around here.

[JewishHobbit]

I don't recall. Silver Bullet maybe? Something like that. I seldom read reviews save for on here.

[SpideyInATree]

I'll have to check that out. Because if that guy can review comics so can I. I'd like to contact the website and be a reviewer as well. I just want to get comics sent to me for free mainly. :oldrazz:

[The Mighty Thor]

I don't think it was a personal vendetta with JQ... maybe he was all for it, but he certainly CANNOT make such a change without the backing of Marvel Comics Inc... and we know that Marvel has wanted a single Peter Parker since the early 90's...

Note the key phrase in that quote: I wanted.

[Spider-Gnome]

Unless it was a personal vendetta and since Marvel has been wanting it as well they allowed him his vendetta as well as the chance of taking the blame for it. If they wanted it erased before now they would have made it happen somewhere over the past 20 years. Remember, the mutants, the marraige... these were genies that QUESADA wanted to put back in the bottle during his tenure. He's been stating his plan for years before any of it happened.

And honestly, Quesada is the face-man of marvel. He was pushing for the single Spider-Man (he himself had stated it for years) so by all rights he should be the focal point of the blame. I'm sure that there are others higher up who supported OMD but Quesada's the point man. It happened during his tenure. He gets the finger pointed at him.

That's what the whole Clone Saga was for. But fans didn't like it then either and switched back to say Pete was the real deal and Ben was the clone.

But, as The Mighty Thor said, the key phrase was I wanted.

This is why he is the target of most of us who are against this retcon.

[Tron Bonne]

EDIT: Oops, missed it

[JewishHobbit]

That's what the whole Clone Saga was for. But fans didn't like it then either and switched back to say Pete was the real deal and Ben was the clone.

But, as The Mighty Thor said, the key phrase was I wanted.

This is why he is the target of most of us who are against this retcon.

Defalco had just said in a recent interview that that wasn't the intension of the Clone Saga when he was in the inititial plannings of it.

[bryanss3]

link?

[Kitsune]

Joe Quesada's Marvel Goals List
1. Theres too many mutants what do i do? depower all of 97% of them. See "HOUSE of M"
2. Make things unpredictable how do I do that? Make all the superheroes fight each other in a mis-characterized story using a political analogy that the writer doesn't truly understand only to give the Marvel U a new Slogan "who do you trust". See "Civil War"
3. Make Spider-Man single again cause thats where I personallyMarvel wants the character. See "ONE MORE DAY"
4. Only do covers. I'm EIC i don't have to draw comics anymore.

Don't forget "Reboot a successful series with totally different characters and premise that have nothing to do with the previous successful book.Top the whole thing off with horrible art, and then wonder why it didn't work, when doing almost the same thing had worked to revamp an unsuccessful book."

[BlackLantern]

He's also the second longest tenured EIC at this point...he has to be doing something effective to stay in that chair....or maybe he likes all the punishment....and so what he doesn't draw anymore (or just do covers) he is the EDITOR IN CHIEF...most people in that position (newspapers, magazines) don't do articles or stories regularly, or if they do its a short piece or something infrequent....I know the EICs for magazines like Game Informer and PSM write a small 'hello' piece at the start of each issue, but thats like 3 paragraphs and its just an overview of whats in the mag for that month

[BlackLantern]

I cant speak for what else is going on at Marvel because ASM is the only Marvel title Im buying regularly right now

[bryanss3]

I was just kidding about the only doing covers thing. I'd just like to see him do a comic sometime soon. I like his art.

[farmernudie]

To be fair, Joe has done some really good stuff for MArvel.

And I do like his art, quite often.

However, Spider-specific...i feel he has somehow mangled the characater I've always looked up to the most and faithfully bought and read since the start.

616 Spider-Man, imo, doesn't appear in ANY issues of the Marve Universe any longer.

[bryanss3]

I saw 616 Spider-man the other day walking down the street. He's in Massachusetts hiding out.