The Amazing Spider-Man

[imdaly]

I was just kidding about the only doing covers thing. I'd just like to see him do a comic sometime soon. I like his art.

He did the art on the back-up story in ASM #601.

[random_havoc]

He's also the second longest tenured EIC at this point...he has to be doing something effective to stay in that chair

I hope you aren't suggesting that just because he's been there for so long that means he's automatically right about ASM, cuz people have posted that kind of ridiculous argument before and it's clearly illogical.

[random_havoc]

I haven't read this issue, as it's not out. Yet somehow you magically have an advanced copy. For someone who "proudly" has not bought an issue of Amazing Spider-Man since One More Day you certainly like reading them.

Wow, how many different threads on here do people have to make stupid accusations at me just cuz I get advanced copies. I REVIEW COMICS FOR A WEBSITE! Do I have to post that in every thread? And, yes, I read the ASM issues because they're free, just as I read the Ultimatum issues free. Doesn't mean I automatically like everything I'm reading. (especially with Ultimatum, which was like watching a car wreck)

[DACMAN]

He's also the second longest tenured EIC at this point...he has to be doing something effective to stay in that chair....or maybe he likes all the punishment....and so what he doesn't draw anymore (or just do covers) he is the EDITOR IN CHIEF...most people in that position (newspapers, magazines) don't do articles or stories regularly, or if they do its a short piece or something infrequent....I know the EICs for magazines like Game Informer and PSM write a small 'hello' piece at the start of each issue, but thats like 3 paragraphs and its just an overview of whats in the mag for that month

That's not a good arguement.

[BlackLantern]

no, not at all...it is easily the highest pressure job in all of comics, so I can commend him for sticking with it for this long

[DACMAN]

Wow, how many different threads on here do people have to make stupid accusations at me just cuz I get advanced copies. I REVIEW COMICS FOR A WEBSITE! Do I have to post that in every thread? And, yes, I read the ASM issues because they're free, just as I read the Ultimatum issues free. Doesn't mean I automatically like everything I'm reading. (especially with Ultimatum, which was like watching a car wreck)Oh crap. I don't normally do this but,

SpideyInATree Just Got OWNED!

[imdaly]

Wow, how many different threads on here do people have to make stupid accusations at me just cuz I get advanced copies. I REVIEW COMICS FOR A WEBSITE! Do I have to post that in every thread? And, yes, I read the ASM issues because they're free, just as I read the Ultimatum issues free. Doesn't mean I automatically like everything I'm reading. (especially with Ultimatum, which was like watching a car wreck)

But certainly you'd agree that the message you're trying to put across in your sig wouldn't make such an impact if you further explained it by changing "Proudly haven't bought ASM since OMD" to "Proudly haven't bought ASM since OMD because I get every issue for free", right?

[DACMAN]

no, not at all...it is easily the highest pressure job in all of comics, so I can commend him for sticking with it for this long

Yeah, but that doesn't mean he's doing a good job just because he's sticking around. You know who else stuck around for 8 years? Bush. Which is obviously a high pressure job. He never quit, even with all the Bush hate. So he must be the best president we've ever had.

[Tron Bonne]

And now for something totally different

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9194.FIRST_LOOK~colon~_November_2009_ Spidey_Previews

Spidey Solicits for November

[Tron Bonne]

EDIT: Post Tripping

[JewishHobbit]

link?

It was posted over in the Fans of Reilly thread. The guy didn't provide a link but he pasted the whole interview. HERE'S (http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=17280258&postcount=3265) the link to the post.

[Texas]

but certainly you'd agree that the message you're trying to put across in your sig wouldn't make such an impact if you further explained it by changing "proudly haven't bought asm since omd" to "proudly haven't bought asm since omd because i get every issue for free", right?

zing ! We have a winner !!

[DACMAN]

And now for something totally different

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9194.FIRST_LOOK~colon~_November_2009_ Spidey_Previews

Spidey Solicits for November

I love Deadpool but that art is hideous.

[BlackLantern]

can't we all just get along??

[random_havoc]

But certainly you'd agree that the message you're trying to put across in your sig wouldn't make such an impact if you further explained it by changing "Proudly haven't bought ASM since OMD" to "Proudly haven't bought ASM since OMD because I get every issue for free", right?

Holy crap, yet ANOTHER repeat of a really cheap and clearly erroneous accusation. I'm gonna have to compile these stupid things and copy and paste them in every thread.

HERE'S where your logic is WRONG. I have two options, first, I can simply not read ASM at all just because I think the whole thing has been screwed up since OMD, but then people would just say over and over "you just don't like it because you haven't read them, they're reeeeeeally amazing and you're ignorant for not liking something despite not giving it a chance duh duh duh duh duh ..."

Second, I can read the free copies I get just for the heck of it, but then I have people making comments like the one you just made.


I own a few thousand comics and still buy many of the ones that I get to read for free... because they're ACTUALLY GOOD. I have a fairly large collection of Spidey comics that STOPS DEAD right where OMD started. THAT, is why my signature stands for something.

[random_havoc]

can't we all just get along??

*offers you a hug*

[random_havoc]

But certainly you'd agree that the message you're trying to put across in your sig wouldn't make such an impact if you further explained it by changing "Proudly haven't bought ASM since OMD" to "Proudly haven't bought ASM since OMD because I get every issue for free", right?

One more thing, your suggestion of "Proudly haven't bought ASM since OMD because I get every issue for free" would be a lie anyways. I stopped buying ASM NOT because of getting them for free, but because I found OMD and its ongoing after-effects to be highly-offensive (such as Peter sleeping around)

[BlackLantern]

"sleeping around" is a relative term...and I will take your hug..

[Kitsune]

can't we all just get along??

Again? But that trick never works.

[BlackLantern]

Random says "sleeping around", but if we look at what happened between Michelle and Pete, those are the first "relations" Pete has had since BND...he's hardly a ****...and I don't think they even did anything...I think he got drunk with Michelle, he cried all night about MJ and they passed out together

[Tron Bonne]

http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=30128

Here's the preview for ASM 603, I don't think it's been posted

[Kitsune]

Random says "sleeping around", but if we look at what happened between Michelle and Pete, those are the first "relations" Pete has had since BND...he's hardly a ****...and I don't think they even did anything...I think he got drunk with Michelle, he cried all night about MJ and they passed out together

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq13/kitsuneusa/gwentumblejl5.jpg

Sorry, but the comment begged for this picture..

[venom892]

Ok this is judging from the cover only but I'm I the only one who doesn't like Electro redesign?I think they just should have kept the MK Spider-man one.

[Kitsune]

Ok this is judging from the cover only but I'm I the only one who doesn't like Electro redesign?I think they just should have kept the MK Spider-man one.

What is the MK Electro look like?

[Blader5489]

And now for something totally different

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9194.FIRST_LOOK~colon~_November_2009_ Spidey_Previews (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9194.FIRST_LOOK%7Ecolon%7E_November_2 009_Spidey_Previews)

Spidey Solicits for November

"Lady Stilt-Man" :funny:

I love Deadpool but that art is hideous.
Way to miss the joke.

[DACMAN]

The joke is bad art?

[bryanss3]

Wait so just for the record. Random Havok doesn't buy ASM because he hates what Marvel has done with spidey "see One More Day". He reviews comics for a site and gets free advanced copies. He reads ASM knowing he doesn't like it also in advance because of his bias towards ASM"See the Dan Slott Spidey 600 thread" he continues to read it so he can tell us who are enjoying it why he doesn't like it, so we don't go "man you don't even read it."

I don't mean that as a backhanded insult or anything to RH I'm just recapping.

I love that Skottie Young cover I'd like to see him do more ASM covers or a whole issue would even be cool. I love his Marvel Adventures Spidey covers and the Wizard of Oz series he did.

[Spider-Gnome]

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq13/kitsuneusa/gwentumblejl5.jpg

Sorry, but the comment begged for this picture..


:funny:

[Arach Knight]

Man oh man. Where do I begin?

http://marvel.com/i/content/st/9194new_storyimage0260446_full.jpg

This looks like a very bad attempt at doing an illustration in the style of Rob
Schrab's Scud the Disposable Assassin. See below and compare for yourselves.

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/s/scud1.jpg

I love Scud. I got into the comic book because of the Sega Saturn game.
And I am all for people taking inspiration from an existing source or creator.
However, trying to do Spidey intentionally or unintentionally in a Schrabian
fashion just doesn't work out like it should.

And here comes the other foot...

http://marvel.com/i/content/st/9194new_storyimage0260122_full.jpg

I don't know if Marvel is aware of this...but Black Lightning is already a DC
character. Basically, looks like Black Lightning (at least without color) with some lightning face paint and no shades on.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/460061-black_lightning_matthew_clark01_large.jpg

It is a sad day when Marvel starts losing in the inspired costume department. Then again, between Zatana and Black Canary, DC may have
taken the lead on that one while I wasn't paying attention...

[mre]

Wait so just for the record. Random Havok doesn't buy ASM because he hates what Marvel has done with spidey "see One More Day". He reviews comics for a site and gets free advanced copies. He reads ASM knowing he doesn't like it also in advance because of his bias towards ASM"See the Dan Slott Spidey 600 thread" he continues to read it so he can tell us who are enjoying it why he doesn't like it, so we don't go "man you don't even read it."

I don't mean that as a backhanded insult or anything to RH I'm just recapping.

I love that Skottie Young cover I'd like to see him do more ASM covers or a whole issue would even be cool. I love his Marvel Adventures Spidey covers and the Wizard of Oz series he did.

This is why I don't understand why RH is getting so upset with people when they bring this up.
I think he is just an angry person at heart.

[random_havoc]

This is why I don't understand why RH is getting so upset with people when they bring this up.
I think he is just an angry person at heart.

I get upset because people keep on making all kinds of presumptions about me, most often taking the evidence in the worst possible way. I mention having online copies and some guy on another thread harps on for four posts in a row about how I just steal comics online blah blah blah despite that not being the case at all.
And now I get accused of only not buying ASM because I get to read them for free, which is also NOT THE CASE AT ALL.

And now you went ahead and assumed I'm just an angry person which is also NOT THE CASE AT ALL. I just don't like people taking a little piece of information and then making assumptions about me, particularly when on these boards anyways people always seem to assume the worst.


As for the aforementioned summary, it is wrong in one key area, I don't just read them for something to complain about, I read them genuinely hoping to enjoy the odd issue despite the current status quo. There have been some parts I've enjoyed (for example, for the most part I enjoyed the "american son" issue where Pete got captured), but again, as many others have already said on here, it just doesn't feel right, it's just not spider-man.

[random_havoc]

Sidenote:

I won't "spoil" it, but the final panel on the issue coming out on Wednesday is retarded. Just gonna leave it at that for now.

[BlackLantern]

it doesnt feel right TO YOU random....TO YOU

I tend to take any review of comics with a grain of salt simply because there is way too much room for bias, moreso than a film or book reviewer

[Blader5489]

The joke is bad art?
Did you notice all the pouches? The big guns? The tiny feet?

This looks like a very bad attempt at doing an illustration in the style of Rob
Schrab's Scud the Disposable Assassin.

Wrong Rob.

[BlackLantern]

my first thought of the above pic was just a straight shot in the nuts to Rob Liefeld....I get it

[Blader5489]

my first thought of the above pic was just a straight shot in the nuts to Rob Liefeld....I get it
Yeah, I thought that was pretty obvious, but apparently not.

[bryanss3]

hasn't that cover been on Newsarama for like 2 months now anyways. I got it right away I don't get how anyone doesn't get it.

[BlackLantern]

I actually think that pic is quite funny...Ill have to find that and save it

[venom892]

I actually really like that cover.I always found it funny.:woot:The MK stands for Marvel Knights Spider-man when Miller wrote it.

[random_havoc]

Plus, most of your opinions are s**t.

Wow, you're a classy guy.

[random_havoc]

it doesnt feel right TO YOU random....TO YOU


Yes, to me, and to a number of other posters who have said the same thing almost word for word.

[BlackLantern]

Yes, to me, and to a number of other posters who have said the same thing almost word for word.

and that's fine, differences are what make America great...but stop standing on it like its indisputable fact

[Kitsune]

Actually the feet are kinda big for a liefield picture.

[random_havoc]

and that's fine, differences are what make America great...but stop standing on it like its indisputable fact

Dude, I've posted that on here literally 1 time.

Yes, I've complained a lot about OMD (as have many others), but that comment has been posted by me, a single time.

[BlackLantern]

Actually the feet are kinda big for a liefield picture.

and those feet are missing pouches:oldrazz:

[Anubis]

Wow, you're a classy guy.

You see? s**ty opinion.

[BlackLantern]

Nubs is about as classy as Joanna Angel is a virgin

[Anubis]

:up: Kudos on the porn reference.

[bryanss3]

well I think you're classy. and thats not sarcasm

[BlackLantern]

:up: Kudos on the porn reference.

thanks...figured you'd catch that

[Arach Knight]

Did you notice all the pouches? The big guns? The tiny feet?

Wrong Rob.


I am well versed in the realm of Liefeld's terrible art work. Everyone here has most likely read "The 40 Worst Rob Liefeld Drawings." Right off the bat, I could go "haha, they are spoofing a plethora of pouches a la Rob Liefeld" but instead, I see Rob Schrab style art. Rob Liefeld tends to have more grevious issues with anatomy other than overly stylized feet and hands. Issues such as misplaced bone structure, wrists as thick as the forearm they extend from, obscured feet/pointed feet, incorrectly sized limbs etc.
The list goes on.

Anyways, the art on that cover just doesn't properly mimic Liefeld's style from any point in time, other than the abundance of pouches. That is why I included a Scud illustration for reference. And for those who have some how magically missed "Rob Liefeld's 40 Worst Drawings," you can read up on it here...

http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html

And if that Spidey cover is supposed to be a joke, then it back fired miserably. When you improperly spoof absolute garbage...well you know what they say is one of the rules of comedy. Any joke that has to have the punch line explained, isn't funny.

[bryanss3]

thanks...figured you'd catch that

kudos on Joanna Angel. good porn reference:up:

[Blader5489]

I am well versed in the realm of Liefeld's terrible art work. Everyone here has most likely read "The 40 Worst Rob Liefeld Drawings." Right off the bat, I could go "haha, they are spoofing a plethora of pouches a la Rob Liefeld" but instead, I see Rob Schrab style art. Rob Liefeld tends to have more grevious issues with anatomy other than overly stylized feet and hands. Issues such as misplaced bone structure, wrists as thick as the forearm they extend from, obscured feet/pointed feet, incorrectly sized limbs etc.
The list goes on.

Anyways, the art on that cover just doesn't properly mimic Liefeld's style from any point in time, other than the abundance of pouches. That is why I included a Scud illustration for reference. And for those who have some how magically missed "Rob Liefeld's 40 Worst Drawings," you can read up on it here...

http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html

And if that Spidey cover is supposed to be a joke, then it back fired miserably. When you improperly spoof absolute garbage...well you know what they say is one of the rules of comedy. Any joke that has to have the punch line explained, isn't funny.
I feel sorry for you man, I really do.

[mre]

I thought Spidey looked like Cable or something. Didn't Deadpool recently have a series with Cable?

[SpideyInATree]

Wow, how many different threads on here do people have to make stupid accusations at me just cuz I get advanced copies. I REVIEW COMICS FOR A WEBSITE! Do I have to post that in every thread? And, yes, I read the ASM issues because they're free, just as I read the Ultimatum issues free. Doesn't mean I automatically like everything I'm reading. (especially with Ultimatum, which was like watching a car wreck)

NO WAY! YOU REVIEW COMICS FOR A WEBSITE!!! :wow: Holy poop on a stick! So, as I asked earlier in the thread, WHAT WEBSITE? JewishHobbit told me it was silverbullet.com. There is not a website anymore and it turned into the Comics Bulletin. And I know it can't be that site because I read a lot of the reviews on there, mainly the Spider-Man ones, and they got GOOD REVIEWS! :wow: So, which website do you do your reviews at so that I can ask the webmaster there if I can be a reviewer and get free comics.

[Tron Bonne]

http://www.comicsbulletin.com/reviews/124939200579951.htm

This is one of his reviews

[Arach Knight]

I feel sorry for you man, I really do.

Then it stands as a mutual sentiment.

Pouch gags aside, there is little similarity in the aesthetic that was presented, to that of Rob Liefeld. Feel free to offer semantic refutation but I was at least diligent enough to provide sources and empirical argumentation (the juxtaposition to Rob Scrhab's work).

There is no problem with my understanding of the "humor/joke" in question. I am merely arguing that it was an erroneous application. It is tantamount to misquoting a person's idiosyncratic statements in an attempt to mock them.

You either do so correctly and get a laugh or you look worse off for doing it poorly in the first place. Call me jaded if you will, but I feel it was a poorly done joke. Rob Liefeld certainly has earned the scorn of artists and enthusiasts alike. That doesn't justify terrible attempts at mocking him.

Take that as you will. I have allowed myself to become too concerned over the ire of another. If you desire a genuine conversation or debate on the matter, I shall respond. Otherwise, I shall leave you to your whim.

[Hobgoblin]

Guys, knock it off. Dont flame each other, it just isnt called for.

[random_havoc]

Yep, that's one of my reviews.

It is indeed comicsbulletin.com

I haven't reviewed any ASM issues there yet. There are a couple of other guys who do reviews there that like doing the ASM issues and have been with comicsbulletin longer than me so I haven't bothered requesting it yet.

Feel free to ask to be a reviewer there, though I should tell you that they don't add people to their list of advanced marvel reviewers very often for a number of reasons (people passed the password to their friends, etc), so you'd likely be reviewing the issues you're already picking up (non-Marvel ones and Marvel ones that aren't already covered by the advanced reviews).

[SpideyInATree]

Yep, that's one of my reviews.

It is indeed comicsbulletin.com

I haven't reviewed any ASM issues there yet. There are a couple of other guys who do reviews there that like doing the ASM issues and have been with comicsbulletin longer than me so I haven't bothered requesting it yet.

Feel free to ask to be a reviewer there, though I should tell you that they don't add people to their list of advanced marvel reviewers very often for a number of reasons, so you'd likely be reviewing the issues you pick up from you're already picking up (non-Marvel ones and Marvel ones that aren't covered in the advanced reviews).

I notice that you haven't. So, you don't review the issues but they send them to you anyway? :huh:

[random_havoc]

I notice that you haven't. So, you don't review the issues but they send them to you anyway? :huh:

The advanced marvel reviewers get a batch each week all at once. It's kind of a bonus since we're doing the reviews for fun, not for any kind of pay. So each wednesday I get an average of around 15-16 Marvel comics a week before they're released and I let my editor know which I'd like to review, but I get to read them all even though I usually end up only having time to review one a week or so.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I figured it was in a moderator forum so you could copy/paste pictures quickly, to be honest. XD

[Blader5489]

Then it stands as a mutual sentiment.

Pouch gags aside, there is little similarity in the aesthetic that was presented, to that of Rob Liefeld. Feel free to offer semantic refutation but I was at least diligent enough to provide sources and empirical argumentation (the juxtaposition to Rob Scrhab's work).

There is no problem with my understanding of the "humor/joke" in question. I am merely arguing that it was an erroneous application. It is tantamount to misquoting a person's idiosyncratic statements in an attempt to mock them.

You either do so correctly and get a laugh or you look worse off for doing it poorly in the first place. Call me jaded if you will, but I feel it was a poorly done joke. Rob Liefeld certainly has earned the scorn of artists and enthusiasts alike. That doesn't justify terrible attempts at mocking him.

Take that as you will. I have allowed myself to become too concerned over the ire of another. If you desire a genuine conversation or debate on the matter, I shall respond. Otherwise, I shall leave you to your whim.

You know who you sound like? (http://www.matrix-explained.com/photopost/data/505/113Architect3.jpg)

I think the cover makes it pretty obvious that they're spoofing Liefeld (the fact that the writer is Joe Kelly should make that even more obvious), so I don't know what you're getting so overworked about. It's a joke! Lighten up.

[DACMAN]

I get upset because people keep on making all kinds of presumptions about me, most often taking the evidence in the worst possible way. I mention having online copies and some guy on another thread harps on for four posts in a row about how I just steal comics online blah blah blah despite that not being the case at all.
And now I get accused of only not buying ASM because I get to read them for free, which is also NOT THE CASE AT ALL.

And now you went ahead and assumed I'm just an angry person which is also NOT THE CASE AT ALL. I just don't like people taking a little piece of information and then making assumptions about me, particularly when on these boards anyways people always seem to assume the worst.


As for the aforementioned summary, it is wrong in one key area, I don't just read them for something to complain about, I read them genuinely hoping to enjoy the odd issue despite the current status quo. There have been some parts I've enjoyed (for example, for the most part I enjoyed the "american son" issue where Pete got captured), but again, as many others have already said on here, it just doesn't feel right, it's just not spider-man.

And I think that is really what it all boils down to. It doesn't feel like Spider-Man anymore. It feels like a really long "What If" story.

[Arach Knight]

You know who you sound like? (http://www.matrix-explained.com/photopost/data/505/113Architect3.jpg)


I do have the habit of relying too heavily on the logical when it comes to discussion. I have yet to hear that it makes me mechanical in my speech...then again that would explain some of my own inner feelings. Your request to "lighten up" has been considered and accepted. I infer from your statements that you do not seek to impugn or to be an aggressor. More or less you mean well. "Nuff said."

[BrianWilly]

To be fair dude, you did just use "tantamount" in a sentence. :O

[JewishHobbit]

Actually the feet are kinda big for a liefield picture.

Correction... those feet are kinda THERE for a liefield picture. He should have drawn four random rocks right where their feet are.

[CaptainStacy]

And I think that is really what it all boils down to. It doesn't feel like Spider-Man anymore. It feels like a really long "What If" story.

I think it feels more like Spider-Man than it has since the late 1980's.

[JewishHobbit]

Oh that's because the books is stuck in the 80's again. It's an understandable mistake.

[CaptainStacy]

Oh that's because the books is stuck in the 80's again. It's an understandable mistake.

M'kay, so if they progress the character, i.e., have him un-mask, join the Avengers, etc., then "that's just not Spider-Man"...and if they go back to the original essence of the character then they're "stuck in the past"

I got it now. :whatever:

[BlackLantern]

the unmasking was a firestorm...I didn't mind it because the way it was handled was inventive....Tony Stark going to DC and actually giving a cost analysis as to how many times the Earth has been saved by superheroes and everything

[Themanofbat]

M'kay, so if they progress the character, i.e., have him un-mask, join the Avengers, etc., then "that's just not Spider-Man"...and if they go back to the original essence of the character then they're "stuck in the past"

I got in now. :whatever:

You can't argue with some people CapS.... it's not "their" Spider-Man anymore; therefore, it must be a bad thing.

:whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

[JewishHobbit]

M'kay, so if they progress the character, i.e., have him un-mask, join the Avengers, etc., then "that's just not Spider-Man"...and if they go back to the original essence of the character then they're "stuck in the past"

I got in now. :whatever:

I actually liked Spider-Man previous to OMD just fine. Felt good and like a natural progression. Heck, his hero worshiping of Captain America for years made his accepting Cap's invite to the Avengers feel legit. His unmasking was differant but I thought it was handled well. Honestly, I've had no complaints about Spidey up until OMD/BND.

I thought his progression was done well up until OMD where they degressed him for the sake of the older fans who culdn't accept the progression.

[CaptainStacy]

I actually liked Spider-Man previous to OMD just fine. Felt good and like a natural progression. Heck, his hero worshiping of Captain America for years made his accepting Cap's invite to the Avengers feel legit. His unmasking was differant but I thought it was handled well. Honestly, I've had no complaints about Spidey up until OMD/BND.

I thought his progression was done well up until OMD where they degressed him for the sake of the older fans who culdn't accept the progression.

I'm not sure WHY omd was initiated...i mean,; I'M an older fan and i thought the un-masking and Avengers membership (although i would have preferred the Fantastic Four instead) was great stuff....

I agree with you about OMD. Hated it.

but i LOVE the current direction and general atmosphere of the book(s) under the present creative and editorial teams. And it looks like there's lots of cool stuff on the horizon.

[JewishHobbit]

I'm not sure WHY omd was initiated...i mean,; I'M an older fan and i thought the un-masking and Avengers membership (although i would have preferred the Fantastic Four instead) was great stuff....

I agree with you about OMD. Hated it.

but i LOVE the current direction and general atmosphere of the book(s) under the present creative and editorial teams. And it looks like there's lots of cool stuff on the horizon.

I've tried the current direction twice now and I just come out with a bad taste in my mouth. I just couldn't get into NWTD, and while American Son was entertaining, I felt like I've read it all before in the Spidey books. I understand that it's hard to be original in comics, but when you bring back Harry Osborn, you should at least have original stories in mind for him. As I said before, Harry having daddy issues, someone being pregnant with his child, and drug problems... is all just recapping old storylines. And even the baby turning out to not be his but Norman's was just a slight adjustment on Sins Past. And Menace is just another goblin (originally mysterious) and it's just like the old Hobgoblin storyline that concluded just prior to the marraige. It's another old recapped storyline. The only interesting thing I felt the story had was Harry becoming the American Son and going against Norman, but that was left after one issue, so that story was lost. I like progression in comics, not like people have to have kids and grow old, but just something to show that they're moving forward. And I get the feeling from BND that if I want to see progression I'll have to come back in 20 years and maybe they'll be where they left off prior to OMD. That's just stupid.

And again, without MJ there as Peter's wife to help him it just didn't feel right. They were such a natural marraige without a fathomable ending to where them not being married just isn't... acceptable for lack of better words. Then add in his and Harry's flirting with women, and my skimming of 601 and see him getting drunk (out of character) and sleeping with some woman... in my mind... it's like he's having an affair because he and MJ never actually divorced or separated or anything, it's a mind game. I could go on forever on the problems as to why this no longer feels like Spider-Man but I think the main 2 things are that he and MJ are still married to me and the above mentioend things don't work with that, and secondly, Spider-Man's the symbol of responsiblity in the Marvel Universe, and there's been a few things that he's done that's VERY irresponsible. Those both just kill it for me.


I'm rambling I think. Sorry about that.

[BlackLantern]

I can't believe fanboys have now become defenders of the great institution of marriage...please...my parents wrecked 2 marriages apiece and I have an aunt/uncle who, after 30 years of marriage have just announced they are getting a divorce

[JewishHobbit]

Sorry your family sucks at long-term commitments. For those of us who are actually successful at them, we'd like to see more.

But I think the bigger issue here (for me) is the idea of eliminating the marriage in the way it was. Honestly if it ended in death or divorce I could swollow it because it'd be final and acceptable. Ending it without the character's wanting to and with nothing final and then pretending it never existed was just stupid.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Not a big fan of marriage, BL?

[Spider-Gnome]

I'm not sure WHY omd was initiated...i mean,; I'M an older fan and i thought the un-masking and Avengers membership (although i would have preferred the Fantastic Four instead) was great stuff....

I agree with you about OMD. Hated it.

but i LOVE the current direction and general atmosphere of the book(s) under the present creative and editorial teams. And it looks like there's lots of cool stuff on the horizon.

Cap! Don't see you posting often lately! (I know until recently, I haven't posted in a long time, so I should talk:oldrazz:) I've often look to your posts since
your views seem similar to mine (and judging by that thread where you post the ASM cover the month you were born, we're the same age!).

I think BND has been hit or miss, but I agree with you that lately things have been better. I love what they have doing with Norman lately. I buy the Harry return (it worked similar to Norman). But it is just somethings that irk me, like this drunken hook-up, which is so out of Pete's character, I don't care how nervous he was about MJ.

[SpideyInATree]

And it looks like there's lots of cool stuff on the horizon.

Lots of very cool stuff on the horizon, I agree. This current Chameleon story is working out VERY well so far. We've got the upcoming "Who Is Ben Reilly?" storyline. Then we've got the Gauntlet storyline after that with the return of Electro? Lots of stuff to be excited about. Just a great time to be a Spider-Man fan.

[Blader5489]

HAHAHA!!!!:D Owned!

That's the dumbest logic I've ever heard. EVER! That's like saying "sanctity of life...please...I know a guy named Hitler who killed lots and lots of people. And there was this other guy named Osama..." :whatever:

Are you seriously comparing the value of life to the value of marriage?

[LouFerignoDemon]

HAHAHA!!!!:D Owned!

That's the dumbest logic I've ever heard. EVER! That's like saying "sanctity of life...please...I know a guy named Hitler who killed lots and lots of people. And there was this other guy named Osama..." :whatever:

In fact I think you said it best right in your post.




Exactly, THEY wrecked their marriage because THEY didn't take their vows seriously. Because some people don't take their vows seriously everyone else shouldn't? Bonehead.

Dude, no need to jump up and down on him. It was just a statement. :o

Are you seriously comparing the value of life to the value of marriage?
We also don't need to be starting a dumb slap fight. :o

[DACMAN]

Are you seriously comparing the value of life to the value of marriage?

I'm simply applying his logic to something else more black and white to show him the idiocy of it.

And for the record, many marriages do produce life.

[BlackLantern]

I'm simply applying his logic to something else more black and white to show him the idiocy of it.

And for the record, many marriages do produce life.

my point being is that I don't need life lessons in my comics, i get that some people read them for hope and inspiration, but comics are supposed to be fun and a good time is supposed to be had...having peter parker be worried to death every issue over the safety of his wife or aunt isn't fun...its a downer....I do agree that Aunt May should have been left dead, but i can deal with her essentially being in the background now, I only have to see her every 3 or 4 issues and Im good with that....look we all know that eventually Marvel is going to undo or retcon it and you can all go back to finding something else to ***** about...

I guess thats why I dont read too much Marvel anymore, it just isn't fun

[DACMAN]

I thought Peter making a deal with the devil to get rid of his marriage was a pretty big downer.

[BlackLantern]

Peter AND MJ....stop trying to leave her out of it

[venom892]

Yea it was both of them.Look one thing I think we can agree with whether we like the new direction or not is that OMD was out of character for both MJ and Peter and it sucked.We can all agree on that right?

[Blader5489]

I'm simply applying his logic to something else more black and white to show him the idiocy of it.

And for the record, many marriages do produce life.

For the record, people produce life. Being married doesn't make you (physically) any more or less able to create another life.

[theunseenmarvel]

Quick question was Spider-Mans natural organic webing any stronger or weaker then his home made stuff?

[bryanss3]

Yea it was both of them.Look one thing I think we can agree with whether we like the new direction or not is that OMD was out of character for both MJ and Peter and it sucked.We can all agree on that right?

we can also agree that still discussing OMD even though everyone discussing has voiced their opinions on it multiple times in this thread is like beating a dead horse. No one's opinion is going to change this is arguing for the sake of arguing. And thats not directed at the people who hate ASM now its directed at everyone. have a nice day:]

[Arach Knight]

Quick question was Spider-Mans natural organic webing any stronger or weaker then his home made stuff?


The natural webbing was very strong in its own right. As with Peter's other powers, it had the proportionate tensile strength of an actual spider's silk (roughly as strong as steel). However, the chemical based webbing could be modified to various effects and could be sprayed through the web shooter spinnerets that produced varies effects. Peter once used a modified version of his webbing formula, to create armor (see: Web of Spider-Man #100).


M'kay, so if they progress the character, i.e., have him un-mask, join the Avengers, etc., then "that's just not Spider-Man"...and if they go back to the original essence of the character then they're "stuck in the past"

I got it now. :whatever:

1)The unmasking was out of character. Peter spent years fiercely guarding (to the best of his ability) his identity. The very reason he kept it hidden, is the very reason May wound up injured. So it just made no sense.

With that said, despite the poor reasoning behind him unmasking, I felt that it was being handled some what well. It would have been better if Peter never turned on Tony. Imagine Peter being under Norman Osborn after the Initiative, but with Tony still having made off with the Initiative data. It would have created a far more interesting environment other than the tired "Spidey the Outlaw" routine.

2) I dislike the idea of Spidey on the Avengers, for the same reason that I dislike Batman on the Justice League: I don't like street level heroes being on teams that take on enormous problems (political/galactic). It just removes the character from their context. With that said however, I did enjoy Spidey's stint on the New Avengers. He was a bit too comedic, but I felt that his joining up was dealt with in a natural fashion. It felt like an extension of the events rather than a forced circumstance. I sometimes feel that Marvel just jumps from event to event without really making the previous one seem relavent. The House of M and Avengers Disassembled did not seem that way however. So it was nice to see how Steve and Tony resurrected the team. And Spidey fit well into that.

3) OMD is just pure garbage. But I don't have to go further than that. You have expressed that you agree. It does create a retrograde continuity in which we return to the Peter of the early 80s. So it is regression. However, I would have to concur that the feeling that BND presents, is one that feels most Spidey like (in terms of the classic context). He has his old job (of sorts), his old supporting cast (not just in one of three books). They are even bringing back old baddies and new ones who imitate them. However, the foundation that all of this derives from, can ruin the experience for more scrutinizing fans. I suppose it all depends upon how willing you are to move past the reason and to accept the result.

[BlackLantern]

as for the Electro cover on the previous page...he has always had **** costumes...even the Electro in the ultimate line looks like a cross between a leather daddy and a disco reject

[venom892]

That's true with electro.They should just stick with the classic with minimal touch up.Kinda like Wolverine's Astonishing costume.It's the classic yellow and blue with a touch up here and there.

[random_havoc]

M'kay, so if they progress the character, i.e., have him un-mask, join the Avengers, etc., then "that's just not Spider-Man"...and if they go back to the original essence of the character then they're "stuck in the past"

I got it now. :whatever:

Who said that him joining the avengers wasn't spidey? I also think the unmasking was explained/set up very well.

Go back to the original essence = massive regression in a genre where any real progression is already massively limited.

[BlackLantern]

edit double post

[BlackLantern]

because any "progression" is always met with extremely vocal resistance....i saw an interview where marvel staff talked about the introduction of the black suit and people lost their **** over it...angry letters/phone calls

and the "original essence" you're talking about is a 16 yr old Peter Parker as Spider-Man....not a married mid 20's Peter Parker, because that would be change or progression....ie not the original introduction of the character

[random_havoc]

we can also agree that still discussing OMD even though everyone discussing has voiced their opinions on it multiple times in this thread is like beating a dead horse. No one's opinion is going to change this is arguing for the sake of arguing. And thats not directed at the people who hate ASM now its directed at everyone. have a nice day:]

Disagree actually.

You see, as has already been pointed out more than once, each issue has obvious ongoing effects of OMD, so those who disagree and those who agree with the new (old, really) status quo will still continue to have things to debate. (Pete sleeping with someone other than MJ for example).

[BlackLantern]

if they even did anything....which I think is a possibility that they didn't

[DACMAN]

Ok fine. You win. Marriage is stupid, Brand New Day is awesome, love isn't real, Joe Quesada is a god, long term commitment is for suckers, Mr. Negative is the greatest villain ever, blah blah blah...

[Blader5489]

Ok fine. You win. Marriage is stupid, Brand New Day is awesome, love isn't real, Joe Quesada is a god, long term commitment is for suckers, Mr. Negative is the greatest villain ever, blah blah blah...
I'm not sure what the point of that was, nobody is even arguing most of those points.

[Anubis]

Quitter.

[DACMAN]

Quitter.

HAHAHAHA!:D Your a funny guy.

[SpideyInATree]

Who said that him joining the avengers wasn't spidey? I also think the unmasking was explained/set up very well.

Go back to the original essence = massive regression in a genre where any real progression is already massively limited.

Well, you may not have been a regular poster here when that stuff was coming out. I very much remember this board for the past five to six years and there were always a faction of posters here in the Spider-Man thread/forums that were never happy with the direction of the character.

When Spider-Man was brought on as one of the New Avengers there were many heated debates, on par with the One More Day ones, and the unmasking as well. All you have heard on these boards for the past five years from many is "Peter Parker/Spider-Man is out of character...". There were only a few storylines where you didn't get that.

CaptainStacy's point, at least from what I'm getting is, that there are people who just are not going to be happy no matter what they do.

[spideyboy_1111]

http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=30128

Here's the preview for ASM 603, I don't think it's been posted

o god! WTF ... electro looks like the amazing starfish man... more then ever!. WTF. Stop doing craptastic redesigns marvel!.

the MK's electro was great, classic yet updated

[spideyboy_1111]

I can't believe fanboys have now become defenders of the great institution of marriage...please...my parents wrecked 2 marriages apiece and I have an aunt/uncle who, after 30 years of marriage have just announced they are getting a divorce

true colors now show... and alot makes sense all of a sudden. Explains why you like hookups too... (not insulting you, just understanding you for once). But, as for previous comments you've made at me and others... I get to say one right back. "now who has the issues?". I'd rather have hope then none.

[BlackLantern]

Ok fine. You win. Marriage is stupid, Brand New Day is awesome, love isn't real, Joe Quesada is a god, long term commitment is for suckers, Mr. Negative is the greatest villain ever, blah blah blah...

I didn't say marriage was stupid, I said I was tired of fans that try and hold it up there like its this untouchable, infallible thing (in the case of Peter and MJ) when it really isn't...I have said repetedly I was ok with them being a serious couple, but MJ should have her own life, which seemed to have been forgotten about in the months leading up to OMD...I like Mr. Negative, I think he has potential

[Spider-Gnome]

because any "progression" is always met with extremely vocal resistance....i saw an interview where marvel staff talked about the introduction of the black suit and people lost their **** over it...angry letters/phone calls

and the "original essence" you're talking about is a 16 yr old Peter Parker as Spider-Man....not a married mid 20's Peter Parker, because that would be change or progression....ie not the original introduction of the character

The "original essence" is having a regular person suddenly getting super powers and still trying to deal with his everyday problems. And it is someone who lives by the motto "with great power comes great responsibility."

If the "original essence" of Spidey is a "16 year old," Stan Lee would have made the comic like Ultimate and not let him graduate high school and move on to college.

[Themanofbat]

...and then college to a working adult... but then what?

When do you say "Halt!" to Peter's advancements in life?

Because when you bring him that much closer to "retirement" age, he can no longer be Spider-Man, unless you simply start over... and too many of us care about the original guy that to simply see him being replaced.

And because of THAT... I can understand Marvel's maneuver with OMD to get to where we are now... doesn't mean that I liked OMD, I think it's clear that nobody liked it... but I understand its raison d'être...

:yay:

[Spider-Gnome]

...and then college to a working adult... but then what?

When do you say "Halt!" to Peter's advancements in life?

Because when you bring him that much closer to "retirement" age, he can no longer be Spider-Man, unless you simply start over... and too many of us care about the original guy that to simply see him being replaced.

And because of THAT... I can understand Marvel's maneuver with OMD to get to where we are now... doesn't mean that I liked OMD, I think it's clear that nobody liked it... but I understand its raison d'être...

:yay:


I think the "halt" came when they stopped baby May. I was pretty upset about that because I was looking forward to that phase of his life (as I was about to enter it as well). But, I do understand the problem of having a kid as that kid now has to grow, making Pete grow older as well.

Oh, and TMOTB, you still owe me those pre-proposal issue numbers. :yay:

[BrianWilly]

What about the hundreds of characters around that have stayed working adults and work just fine as adults? Don't tell me you can't think of a single working adult characters that you like?

The idea that someday Peter will just grow old and retire and die if you let him stay a married adult is a ridiculous slippery-slope. When has that ever happened? Literally? Ever, to any single character?

Interesting that anyone would view growth as "replacement." As if anything any different from what you're reading right this moment about this character will "replace" him in your eyes. So what you're really saying is that you just want to read the exact same things happening to this exact same character. Forever. And none of it will ever have any lasting impact on him lest it "replaces" him with some older, foreign character that you don't care about. I mean, really, cut away all my admittedly-intense hyperbole, and that's really all that you're saying, yeah?

[Franklin Richards]

Wow! The FF are really screwed then.



:ff: :ff: :ff:

[BlackLantern]

Im reposting this...

well there are a list of things that have to happen EVERY issue for them to be happy...

1. Peter must come home from being Spider-Man and MJ MUST launder his outfits in sexy attire while lightly complaining about him being out late

2. The black suit MUST make an apperance at least once every 3 or 4 issues

3. Spider-Man must jokingly lament about getting home late because its his turn to cook or do laundry while fighting bad guys

4. bla bla something to do with MJ looking hot bla bla

5. Him and MJ MUST share a "special moment" EVERY ****ing Issue

[BrianWilly]

You reposting that 'cause it's magically become true since the last time you posted it, or 'cause you just like to repost things?

Pfft. I'm going to bed.

[Spider-Jay420]

Every issue? I don't think so.

Although, I think number 1 should be mandated. :cwink:

[Spider-Gnome]

What about the hundreds of characters around that have stayed working adults and work just fine as adults? Don't tell me you can't think of a single working adult characters that you like?

The idea that someday Peter will just grow old and retire and die if you let him stay a married adult is a ridiculous slippery-slope. When has that ever happened? Literally? Ever, to any single character?

Interesting that anyone would view growth as "replacement." As if anything any different from what you're reading right this moment about this character will "replace" him in your eyes. So what you're really saying is that you just want to read the exact same things happening to this exact same character. Forever. And none of it will ever have any lasting impact on him lest it "replaces" him with some older, foreign character that you don't care about. I mean, really, cut away all my admittedly-intense hyperbole, and that's really all that you're saying, yeah?


That's basically what Joe Q, um sorry, I mean Marvel, is saying about Spider-Man. (see the infamous Charlie Brown quote)

[Tron Bonne]

Im reposting this...

Like BrianWilly I have to question what exactly your point was here in reposting that stuff. Did you even have a reason or just throwing fire into already molten hot lava?

[Arach Knight]

It is possible to age characters gracefully. DC is proof of that. We went from a child Dick Grayson, to a "Teen Titan" to a fully grown Dick Grayson who escaped the Robin persona and took on his own identity. We know that Batman began in his twenties (much like Superman) but is now somewhere in his thirties. Unless you give characters a specific age, we tend to go under the assumption that they are young enough and in shape enough.

But you don't ever want them trapped in perpetual youth/non-aging. That would get too stale. It would be villain concept rehashes and eventually you would trip over your own feet. At the same time, you can't age them too much or you will expect them to pass the mantle on. So you have to find the balance. I mean come on...Harry went from running Oscorp back in the 80s, to running a coffee shop? I swear Marvel tried that once before when trying to make a character hip. I believe his name was Ben...

[BlackLantern]

It is possible to age characters gracefully. DC is proof of that. We went from a child Dick Grayson, to a "Teen Titan" to a fully grown Dick Grayson who escaped the Robin persona and took on his own identity. We know that Batman began in his twenties (much like Superman) but is now somewhere in his thirties. Unless you give characters a specific age, we tend to go under the assumption that they are young enough and in shape enough.

But you don't ever want them trapped in perpetual youth/non-aging. That would get too stale. It would be villain concept rehashes and eventually you would trip over your own feet. At the same time, you can't age them too much or you will expect them to pass the mantle on. So you have to find the balance. I mean come on...Harry went from running Oscorp back in the 80s, to running a coffee shop? I swear Marvel tried that once before when trying to make a character hip. I believe his name was Ben...

didn't Harry say something about wanting to distance himself from his dad?? and he's cut off now anyway (hence him sleeping in the Coffee Bean) Id guess that Norman would make sure that Harry is nigh umemployable at this point in time...and its nice to see party girl MJ back, not sitting at home mooning wife MJ

[random_havoc]

Well, you may not have been a regular poster here when that stuff was coming out. I very much remember this board for the past five to six years and there were always a faction of posters here in the Spider-Man thread/forums that were never happy with the direction of the character.

When Spider-Man was brought on as one of the New Avengers there were many heated debates, on par with the One More Day ones, and the unmasking as well. All you have heard on these boards for the past five years from many is "Peter Parker/Spider-Man is out of character...". There were only a few storylines where you didn't get that.

CaptainStacy's point, at least from what I'm getting is, that there are people who just are not going to be happy no matter what they do.

Okay, you're clearly exaggerating (regarding bolded portion). After all Spidey's still one of the new avengers and yet we don't see anyone debating that on here, but the OMD debates are still running hot.

Of course there will always be those who complain about any major changes, but that doesn't mean you then avoid any real changes and regress a character 20 years. The point is to make sure the changes are as well written as possible and in character for all characters involved.

[The Mighty Thor]

I just can't wait for them to "return Spidey to his roots" even more by bringing Uncle Ben and Gwen Stacy back.

Now that would get people talking! :oldrazz:

[SpideyInATree]

Okay, you're clearly exaggerating (regarding bolded portion). After all Spidey's still one of the new avengers and yet we don't see anyone debating that on here, but the OMD debates are still running hot.

Of course there will always be those who complain about any major changes, but that doesn't mean you then avoid any real changes and regress a character 20 years. The point is to make sure the changes are as well written as possible and in character for all characters involved.

I'm not exaggerating. I wasn't talking about the length of the arguement. I'm talking the same animosity of it. And I wouldn't say there are still One More Day debates. It's more like people who took the One More Day story too seriously still wanting to complain about it over and over again as if it's going to change something. Not really too much to debate about it anymore, in my opinion. All people end up sounding like is a broken record. Yes, it was an out of character story. One More Day should be retitled Sins Past, Part 2. Ok, it's "regressed" the character 20 years. You've said that...a million times now. Other posters have said it...a million times now. And what exactly is the point of it now? I get that you don't like it. Guess what? After One More Day, when Slott/McNiven did their Brand New Day storyline, I've enjoyed the storyline very much. Broken record. Beating a dead horse. Call it what you will.

And your last statement, "To make the changes well written as possible and for it to be in character". If I had a dime for everytime I saw someone post that statement in the last six years on these boards I'd be filthy rich. :oldrazz:

[The Mighty Thor]

I've gotta say, the upcoming Gauntlet arc looks pretty good. I love Spidey's rogue gallery so I'll definitely be checking it out, I think. I just hope it's better than American Son; although it was more enjoyable in hindsight, it was hyped too much and my expectations were far too high.

[Themanofbat]

Interesting that anyone would view growth as "replacement." As if anything any different from what you're reading right this moment about this character will "replace" him in your eyes. So what you're really saying is that you just want to read the exact same things happening to this exact same character. Forever. And none of it will ever have any lasting impact on him lest it "replaces" him with some older, foreign character that you don't care about. I mean, really, cut away all my admittedly-intense hyperbole, and that's really all that you're saying, yeah?

Well, seeing as the 90's seemed like the "replacement" era, Spidey included, so it might come natural to a lot of less-talented writers that simply "replacing" the core character would be the easiest route for "change"... or at least, a return to that charatcers "roots".

And of course I'm not saying that I want to read the "exact same things" Brian... you're being silly... otherwise, I wouldn't be as excited as I am about the current "change" of the character, or I wouldn't have been as excited as ANY of the changes I've read in a 616-continuity Spidey book since 1975... some of them were "good" changes, and yes Virginia, there were lots of "bad" changes... nonetheless, I still like to see different take on something that is pretty simple... the stories of a man who continually gets kicked in the nuts, but always finds a way to stand up and face the adversity that is his life.

With BND, what you may see a a "rehash", but I see it as a "change"... and it's been a good one TO ME thus far.

Cheers,

Mike :yay:

:batty:

[Themanofbat]

Oh, and TMOB, you still owe me those pre-proposal issue numbers. :yay:

I gotta write this stuff down... :o

:csad:

[theunseenmarvel]

Hey guys. This may or may not be your cup of tea so to speak but any one of you know what x-men comic or any other comic that leads up to Dark Avengers 07?

[spideyboy_1111]

uncanny and dark avengers are currently sharing arcs. All you need to look for is the title X-men Utopia

[bryanss3]

Did anyone else notice in the new Spidey solicits the 32 page books are still $2.99 and a 40 page issue for $3.99, but every other 32 page Marvel book is $3.99. I thought that was kinda cool. I hope it's not a typo.


Also does anyone have any idea whats going on in ASM 604,605,and 606 they're all classified. Fred Van Lente is on 604 and co-writing 605 with Brian Reed(Ms. Marvel) so I'm guessing Ms. Marvel might pop up there, and Joe Kelly is on 606 and I know he's doing 607 with the Black Cat in it, so that story may start in 606. Basically I'm just wondering if anyone has any guesses to why those are still classified?

[javi1024]

Hey guys. This may or may not be your cup of tea so to speak but any one of you know what x-men comic or any other comic that leads up to Dark Avengers 07?
strange place to post this, but Utopia starts with a one-shot then continues to Uncanny X-Men #513 (part 2). Dark Avengers 7 is part 3. Uncanny 514 (part 4) came out last week.

[spideyboy_1111]

Did anyone else notice in the new Spidey solicits the 32 page books are still $2.99 and a 40 page issue for $3.99, but every other 32 page Marvel book is $3.99. I thought that was kinda cool. I hope it's not a typo.


Also does anyone have any idea whats going on in ASM 604,605,and 606 they're all classified. Fred Van Lente is on 604 and co-writing 605 with Brian Reed(Ms. Marvel) so I'm guessing Ms. Marvel might pop up there, and Joe Kelly is on 606 and I know he's doing 607 with the Black Cat in it, so that story may start in 606. Basically I'm just wondering if anyone has any guesses to why those are still classified?

604-606 is the ben reilly stuff isnt it?

[theunseenmarvel]

uncanny and dark avengers are currently sharing arcs. All you need to look for is the title X-men Utopia

Thanks Spidey BIg help.:yay:

[Tron Bonne]

604-606 is the ben reilly stuff isnt it?

No, I believe that's the next arc after those. And it will 604-607 as next month ASM will have an extra issue ship

[spideyboy_1111]

No, I believe that's the next arc after those. And it will 604-607 as next month ASM will have an extra issue ship

isn't 607 black cat's arc?

[Tron Bonne]

I don't know, on Marvel's website that issue synopsis is 'classified'. The "Who Was Ben Reilly" arc begins with issue 608 in October

[spideyboy_1111]

yeah the issues in question have to be cat's arc... the ones following it is the ben reilly one

[bryanss3]

I'd say the Black Cat story is the 2 Joe Kelly issues, but still wondering about 604 and 605. That's weird that there are 3 issues specifically classified when we have all these other solicits.

[Ipodman]

yay... Ultimate Spider-man is BACK!

[Ipodman]

So is Ultimate Comics Spider-Man #1 better than the best issue in BND-and-beyond ASM?

pfft... i'll just follow them both anyway... :oldrazz:

[LouFerignoDemon]

Or throw them both away. =) j/k

[Ipodman]

Ive always liked USM.... in fact USM is the first comic ive ever read in my life... so its something special to me...

Oh wait, this is a ASM thread... =|

But USM should be around for a looong time. Like when Marvel 2 disappeared, but Spider girl still continued

[LouFerignoDemon]

Your first exposure to comics was Bendis? =/

Either way, I actually enjoyed some of the USM, to be honest. Like the venom suit I liked, and how it worked. I also like how more tied in it was with the rest of the UMU. Actually, that's one of the things I enjoyed about UM, was that they were pretty much tripping over each other.

[TheCorpulent1]

The Marvel universe is doing that now.

[bryanss3]

It's getting king of annoying. I'm sick of Norman Osborn in every book.

[Arach Knight]

didn't Harry say something about wanting to distance himself from his dad?? and he's cut off now anyway (hence him sleeping in the Coffee Bean) Id guess that Norman would make sure that Harry is nigh umemployable at this point in time...and its nice to see party girl MJ back, not sitting at home mooning wife MJ

See...and that is where the problem comes in with super sloppy retcons like this.

1) If he was cut off from the Osborn fortune

a) How did he get to Europe in the first place?

b) How did he return?

c) How could he afford something like rebuilding an entire house?

d) Wouldn't he logically have been the heir to the fortune?
Norman was declared officially dead and Harry ran Osbcorp
and took on the fortune based on that declaration.

Even with Norman's return, it doesn't provide him access to the fortune unless Norman had some sort of bizarre Will clause that says something like
"In the event that Marvel doesn't think things through and I come back to life, I automatically reclaim my fortune, even though falsified/fraudulent deaths that result in inheritance, are potentially felonious offenses."

I know that this is science fiction fantasy, but that doesn't give it free reign to just make zero sense for the sake of "telling a good story." So I adhere to my statement. It is largely regressive to have Harry go from corporate titan to barista based on a sloppy retcon that was followed up with an even sloppier resurrection.

I feel like Marvel truly leaps before they look. I sit here and see Barry Allen resurrected in DC, but that was done with the intention of linking the resurrection to the Blackest Night story arc, in which fallen heroes return as Black Lanterns. So that makes sense. On the other hand, Marvel resurrected Harry for no real reason, with no sensible explanation and no real plotted course other than "hey gang...lets do this one for ****s and giggles."

2) I agree that it is nice to have the party girl MJ return. It is like once Peter and MJ got married, she suddenly stopped having her own life outside of the times that writers remembered to give her paying acting gigs on stage or on film (which mostly seemed like once in a blue moon). I feel that the majority of the problem that writers had with the marriage, came from the fact that they refused to give Mary Jane a more active role and her own life. I know people mature and settle down, but they don't just stop living life (usually). So it is nice to see her given a bit more vibrance and personal worth. It is sad, because they have thrice (in recent times) given May Parker more to do than Mary Jane.

-Peter's Spider-Man advocate to the press
-Dating Jarvis
-Homeless shelter volunteer

Her life was filled with excitement while MJ failed in her career path and sat around the house being the dutiful wife. At least MJ has genuinely returned to the status quo.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's getting king of annoying. I'm sick of Norman Osborn in every book.
Imagine how you'd feel if you thought he never should've been resurrected in the first place. ;)

[Arach Knight]

It's getting king of annoying. I'm sick of Norman Osborn in every book.

He is the new Wolverine. Just wait until they team him up with Wolverine. I can see the solicitation now.

"They are Marvel's two most over used characters. They appear in damn near every book, every month. Even the ones that don't have their name or team involved. Now, from the writers behind OMD, comes the ultimate team up you never asked for. Norman Osborn. James Howlet, in :'Thailand Serious'"

Something to that effect. But you should get used to Norman's ugly mug, given the central role he plays. It is sort of like how Nick Fury was in every Ultimate book...

[bryanss3]

I don't really like Norman Osborn as a character unless he's a Spider-Man villain. I wouldn't mind his whole scheme if we knew what his plan was. So far his plan is Be(or pretend to be) the good guys and fight the other good guys? I'd really like to know his motive. Its ok to let us the audience know. I really want to know if he is truly trying to be a good guy. Its like whenever they do something stupid like let Sabretooth or Mystique join the X-Men. They're bad guys. it's not a surprise when they go bad again. Normy can be that sociopath he is and still be a good intentions if thats what they want to do with him. I'd just like to know what exactly they are doing. I feel weird with the lack of Nick Fury in the Marvel U for a while maybe in 2 years we'll feel weird when Norm's gone.

[imdaly]

Also does anyone have any idea whats going on in ASM 604,605,and 606 they're all classified. Fred Van Lente is on 604 and co-writing 605 with Brian Reed(Ms. Marvel) so I'm guessing Ms. Marvel might pop up there, and Joe Kelly is on 606 and I know he's doing 607 with the Black Cat in it, so that story may start in 606. Basically I'm just wondering if anyone has any guesses to why those are still classified?

Here's the notes I have on the upcoming ASM issues:

#603 - "Red-Headed Stranger"
#604 - "Red-Headed Stranger"
#605 - "Red-Headed Stranger"
#606 - "Back In Black Cat"
#607 - "Back In Black Cat"
#608 - "Who Was Ben Reilly?"
#609 - "Who Was Ben Reilly?"
#610 - "Who Was Ben Reilly?"
#611 - The Guantlet (with Deadpool)
#612 - The Gauntlet (with Electro) - "Power to the People"
#613 - The Gauntlet (with Electro) - "Power to the People"


They REALLY need to re-think the title to the Black Cat story....:p

[SpideyInATree]

Here's the notes I have on the upcoming ASM issues:

#606 - "Back In Black Cat"
#607 - "Back In Black Cat"

They REALLY need to re-think the title to the Black Cat story....:p

:lmao:

No way! That is perfect and it needs to stay!

[MaskedManJRK]

So is Ultimate Comics Spider-Man #1 better than the best issue in BND-and-beyond ASM?

Well, let me put it to you this way:

One version is nothing more then an immature teenager with no real intelligence or heavy experience, who seems to consistantly screw up everything he touches.

The other version is Ultimate Spider-Man.

[roach]

See...and that is where the problem comes in with super sloppy retcons like this.

1) If he was cut off from the Osborn fortune

a) How did he get to Europe in the first place?

b) How did he return?

c) How could he afford something like rebuilding an entire house?

d) Wouldn't he logically have been the heir to the fortune?
Norman was declared officially dead and Harry ran Osbcorp
and took on the fortune based on that declaration.

Even with Norman's return, it doesn't provide him access to the fortune unless Norman had some sort of bizarre Will clause that says something like
"In the event that Marvel doesn't think things through and I come back to life, I automatically reclaim my fortune, even though falsified/fraudulent deaths that result in inheritance, are potentially felonious offenses."

I know that this is science fiction fantasy, but that doesn't give it free reign to just make zero sense for the sake of "telling a good story." So I adhere to my statement. It is largely regressive to have Harry go from corporate titan to barista based on a sloppy retcon that was followed up with an even sloppier resurrection.

I feel like Marvel truly leaps before they look. I sit here and see Barry Allen resurrected in DC, but that was done with the intention of linking the resurrection to the Blackest Night story arc, in which fallen heroes return as Black Lanterns. So that makes sense. On the other hand, Marvel resurrected Harry for no real reason, with no sensible explanation and no real plotted course other than "hey gang...lets do this one for ****s and giggles."

2) I agree that it is nice to have the party girl MJ return. It is like once Peter and MJ got married, she suddenly stopped having her own life outside of the times that writers remembered to give her paying acting gigs on stage or on film (which mostly seemed like once in a blue moon). I feel that the majority of the problem that writers had with the marriage, came from the fact that they refused to give Mary Jane a more active role and her own life. I know people mature and settle down, but they don't just stop living life (usually). So it is nice to see her given a bit more vibrance and personal worth. It is sad, because they have thrice (in recent times) given May Parker more to do than Mary Jane.

-Peter's Spider-Man advocate to the press
-Dating Jarvis
-Homeless shelter volunteer

Her life was filled with excitement while MJ failed in her career path and sat around the house being the dutiful wife. At least MJ has genuinely returned to the status quo.

or maybe MJ could help Peter with his crimefighting. Imagine if MJ became Peter's Oracle

[bryanss3]

Here's the notes I have on the upcoming ASM issues:

#603 - "Red-Headed Stranger"
#604 - "Red-Headed Stranger"
#605 - "Red-Headed Stranger"
#606 - "Back In Black Cat"
#607 - "Back In Black Cat"
#608 - "Who Was Ben Reilly?"
#609 - "Who Was Ben Reilly?"
#610 - "Who Was Ben Reilly?"
#611 - Deadpool
#612 - The Gauntlet (with Electro) - "Power to the People"
#613 - The Gauntlet (with Electro) - "Power to the People"


They REALLY need to re-think the title to the Black Cat story....:p

I'll take it. It's weird that they're not solicited on the Marvel site though. and I wonder who Spidey will be doing next after he gets back in Black Cat.... Once you go Black you never go back.

[Hobgoblin]

Hm, I wonder if they will do anything for Amazing #666. Will the Sinister 666 show up? Will Mephisto? I wonder...

[Ipodman]

I have been buying ASM in HC recently. but seems like i will have to buy single issues from now on... Skip the Ben Reilly issues! (Dont really like him... but thats just me)

[bryanss3]

Hm, I wonder if they will do anything for Amazing #666. Will the Sinister 666 show up? Will Mephisto? I wonder...

Isn't the Gauntlet supposed to build up and spill over into Sinister 666?

[imdaly]

Let me repost my look-ahead with links and a revision to #605 and #611

#603 - "Red-Headed Stranger - Part 3" * (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21667)
#604 - "Red-Headed Stranger - Part 4" * (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21667)
#605 - "Red-Headed Stranger - Epilogue" (ft. White Rabbit) ** (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9213.Amazing_Spider-Man%7Ecolon%7E_Mary_Jane%7Eapos%7Es_Story)
#606 - "Back In Black Cat - Part 1" * (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21667)
#607 - "Back In Black Cat - Part 2" * (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21667)
#608 - "Who Was Ben Reilly? - Part 1" *** (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.8777.FIRST_LOOK%7Ecolon%7E_October_20 09_Spidey_Previews)
#609 - "Who Was Ben Reilly? - Part 2" *** (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.8777.FIRST_LOOK%7Ecolon%7E_October_20 09_Spidey_Previews)
#610 - "Who Was Ben Reilly? - Part 3" *** (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.8777.FIRST_LOOK%7Ecolon%7E_October_20 09_Spidey_Previews)
#611 - The Guantlet (with Deadpool) **** (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22067)
#612 - The Gauntlet (with Electro) - "Power to the People - Part 1" ***** (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9194.FIRST_LOOK%7Ecolon%7E_November_2 009_Spidey_Previews)
#613 - The Gauntlet (with Electro) - "Power to the People - Part 2" ***** (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9194.FIRST_LOOK%7Ecolon%7E_November_2 009_Spidey_Previews)


Some things to note:
- About #605: "This fills in what she's been up to since we last saw her in Dan Slott and Marcos Martin's 'Paper Doll' storyline up until her dramatic return on the last page of AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #600," explains Van Lente. "We'll learn why she returns to New York and gain a little more insight into why she left for Los Angels in the first place." and "Though you'll know more than you did before this issue, I should stress this is not the story of exactly how Mary Jane and Peter broke up-that's a tale for others to tell in the near future." ** (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9213.Amazing_Spider-Man%7Ecolon%7E_Mary_Jane%7Eapos%7Es_Story)

- While the link I posted for #511 specifically states that this issue is the first issue to carry the "Gauntlet" banner, Marvel's official solits show #512 with Electro being the start of "The Gauntlet", so I may be wrong about the wording there. ***** (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9194.FIRST_LOOK%7Ecolon%7E_November_2 009_Spidey_Previews)

- After Electro in "The Guantlet" is Rhino, so depending on however many parts the Electro story is that may start with #614. ****** (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21676)

[LouFerignoDemon]

Ooo... I get the feeling issue 611's gonna be a Venom centric one.

I'm not sure if that's Electro with the black/white skin thing going on. If it is, he got the 90's remake. For the worse.

[TheCorpulent1]

#611's gonna be awesome. Joe Kelly on Deadpool again. :up:

[SpideyInATree]

#611's gonna be awesome. Joe Kelly on Deadpool again. :up:

Agreed! I love that cover too. Such a jab at the '90's with all the heroes having all those damn pouches on their bodies. :oldrazz:

[Arach Knight]

or maybe MJ could help Peter with his crimefighting. Imagine if MJ became Peter's Oracle

You know...that is what I was hoping for when they introduced Jackpot. Of course that was just a ton of lame red herrings, but it would have been a nice way to reintroduce the characters and soften the blow of BND. In many ways, I regret the fact that Peter and Felicia never became a couple. They are far better suited for one another. This is why I was all for Peter dumping Mary Jane in the Ultimate universe and dating Kitty Pryde instead. I thought that was an awesome and logical relationship. Heck, even if Mary Jane were more outgoing like Lois Lane eventually became.

I don't know about having her be his Oracle though. Spider-Man already takes too many pages from another DC hero in more than one way (I'll give you a hint. Similar occupation, similar alter ego, names start with an S, real names have alliteration, both are orphans raised by an adoptive family and both wear costumes that involve the same primary colors, both adoptive father figures died while they were young. Nuff said). Besides, MJ doesn't have the same kind of savy that Barbra Gordon does. Even when she was Batgirl, she was computer savy. MJ is pretty intelligent for a normal person, but not to any exceptional degree. I'd have an easier time seeing her get powers and fighting, than trying to pass her off as some undiscovered computer whiz.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Didn't Peter Parker's Uncle sorta die first?

[Arach Knight]

Nope. The Kent's were both dead in Superman #53. which dates back to 1948. That is well over a decade before Spider-Man was created (1962). To my knowledge, bringing the Kents back to life was a post-Crisis move. I believe it was the work of John Byrne in his continuity reboot, The Man of Steel. Prior to that, the Kents had died of old age by the time Clark reached adulthood and moved to Metropolis. Trust me, the number of parallels that Spidey shares with Supes are too numerous to be sheer conscidence.

In fact, you can google the subject. There is a lot on it. Apparently, the plot lines of the first three Superman films are closely mirrored by Spider-Man 1-3 (something that even I was unaware of until it was brought to my attention). Here is one blurb on the subject.

Movie #1:

A young highschool kid discovers he has amazing superpowers. After his foster father dies, he moves to the city, gets a job at a newspaper, and tries to support his sweet old mother-figure while he takes to fighting crime as a red and blue costumed superhero. But when the love of his life is threatened by a psycotic supervillain, he is torn between saving her, or saving others threatened. Ultimately, he saves both and stops the bad guy, and we get a spectacular ending of the costumed hero taking to the sky.

Movie #2:

After a credits sequence which recaps what happened in the first movie, we meet our hero once more, who is still saving people in his red and blue tights while at the same time trying to maintain his newspaper job, and keep up with the girl of his dreams. In a nutshell, he loses his superpowers, a new menace threatens to destroy the city, and the girl finds out his true identity.

Movie #3:

Our hero becomes his worst enemy! After exposure to a strange substance, he isn't himself... His costume gets, well... darker... and his rash impulses begin to come first before saving people. Another woman threatens his relationship with his true love, and not only does he have to battle himself, but a few new villains. One new arch-nemesis, one distraught would-be bad guy who proves useful in the end, and a surprise villain who is infused with unimaginable power in the final battle.

http://www.**************.com/forum/?ft=10014


What is interesting, is that the synopsis given, aptly describes the first three Superman movies, but it also aptly describes the first three Spider-Man films. I wouldn't accuse Raimi's writers of plagiarism, but it goes to show how much Spidey may owe to Superman and his 70 year old mythology.

[TheCorpulent1]

I wouldn't say Uncle Ben's death owes anything to Pa Kent's death, to be honest. Superman's adoptive parents may have been dead earlier than Peter's father-figure, but it doesn't seem to have influenced Superman in the way it did Spider-Man. Uncle Ben's death is more like the Waynes' deaths in that it fuels Spider-Man's heroic drive.

[random_havoc]

Nope. The Kent's were both dead in Superman #53. which dates back to 1948. That is well over a decade before Spider-Man was created (1962). To my knowledge, bringing the Kents back to life was a post-Crisis move. I believe it was the work of John Byrne in his continuity reboot, The Man of Steel. Prior to that, the Kents had died of old age by the time Clark reached adulthood and moved to Metropolis. Trust me, the number of parallels that Spidey shares with Supes are too numerous to be sheer conscidence.

In fact, you can google the subject. There is a lot on it. Apparently, the plot lines of the first three Superman films are closely mirrored by Spider-Man 1-3 (something that even I was unaware of until it was brought to my attention). Here is one blurb on the subject.

Movie #1:

A young highschool kid discovers he has amazing superpowers. After his foster father dies, he moves to the city, gets a job at a newspaper, and tries to support his sweet old mother-figure while he takes to fighting crime as a red and blue costumed superhero. But when the love of his life is threatened by a psycotic supervillain, he is torn between saving her, or saving others threatened. Ultimately, he saves both and stops the bad guy, and we get a spectacular ending of the costumed hero taking to the sky.

Movie #2:

After a credits sequence which recaps what happened in the first movie, we meet our hero once more, who is still saving people in his red and blue tights while at the same time trying to maintain his newspaper job, and keep up with the girl of his dreams. In a nutshell, he loses his superpowers, a new menace threatens to destroy the city, and the girl finds out his true identity.

Movie #3:

Our hero becomes his worst enemy! After exposure to a strange substance, he isn't himself... His costume gets, well... darker... and his rash impulses begin to come first before saving people. Another woman threatens his relationship with his true love, and not only does he have to battle himself, but a few new villains. One new arch-nemesis, one distraught would-be bad guy who proves useful in the end, and a surprise villain who is infused with unimaginable power in the final battle.

http://www.**************.com/forum/?ft=10014


What is interesting, is that the synopsis given, aptly describes the first three Superman movies, but it also aptly describes the first three Spider-Man films. I wouldn't accuse Raimi's writers of plagiarism, but it goes to show how much Spidey may owe to Superman and his 70 year old mythology.

Okay, clearly a lot of that is just ridiculousness. The fact is that a lot of times patterns are perceived when one is directly looking for them, and the above examples are really REALLY looking.

For example, "he moves to the city, gets a job at a newspaper, and tries to support his sweet old mother-figure while he takes to fighting crime". The line about supporting the mother figure? That's imposed on the movies by whoever's making the list since the first Superman movie does not state that as a reason for Clark moving to the city (at least not to the best of my recollection). Second, even in this little section the differences are more prominent than the similarities in that one character comes from a tiny country town while other ("moves to the big city"? Really?), lived in New York already, just in a suburb rather than in manhattan. Another difference being that we see one is suddenly a roughly 30 year old by the time he moves to the city whereas the other is still supposed to be in his late teens.

Sure there are some similarities in the comics and the movies, but they're simply either ones that have been there from the beginning (similar jobs, similar costume colors.... though even with that the costumes are so different that is a pretty shallow similarity), or ones that are concepts so universally found in fiction (or in movies... the movie recap at the beginning is listed as a similarity between the second movies? Seriously?) that there are hundreds if not thousands of examples found in other pieces of fiction.

The only two movie things mentioned that stick out even as interesting coincidences (and that's clearly all they are) is that both women find out the dude's id's in the second movie and that they each go evil in the third. But considering that they're superheroes those are not especially surprising or unique twists in either movie since each concept has been done in comics for a long long time.

One last comment: To say that Richard Prior's character from #3 is comparable to the "hobgoblin" in any meaningful way is a massive massive stretch.

[BlackLantern]

I wouldn't say Uncle Ben's death owes anything to Pa Kent's death, to be honest. Superman's adoptive parents may have been dead earlier than Peter's father-figure, but it doesn't seem to have influenced Superman in the way it did Spider-Man. Uncle Ben's death is more like the Waynes' deaths in that it fuels Spider-Man's heroic drive.

but it doesn't fuel the Spider-Van

[DACMAN]

Okay, clearly a lot of that is just ridiculousness. The fact is that a lot of times patterns are perceived when one is directly looking for them, and the above examples are really REALLY looking.

For example, "he moves to the city, gets a job at a newspaper, and tries to support his sweet old mother-figure while he takes to fighting crime". The line about supporting the mother figure? That's imposed on the movies by whoever's making the list since the first Superman movie does not state that as a reason for Clark moving to the city (at least not to the best of my recollection). Second, even in this little section the differences are more prominent than the similarities in that one character comes from a tiny country town while other ("moves to the big city"? Really?), lived in New York already, just in a suburb rather than in manhattan. Another difference being that we see one is suddenly a roughly 30 year old by the time he moves to the city whereas the other is still supposed to be in his late teens.

Sure there are some similarities in the comics and the movies, but they're simply either ones that have been there from the beginning (similar jobs, similar costume colors.... though even with that the costumes are so different that is a pretty shallow similarity), or ones that are concepts so universally found in fiction (or in movies... the movie recap at the beginning is listed as a similarity between the second movies? Seriously?) that there are hundreds if not thousands of examples found in other pieces of fiction.

The only two movie things mentioned that stick out even as interesting coincidences (and that's clearly all they are) is that both women find out the dude's id's in the second movie and that they each go evil in the third. But considering that they're superheroes those are not especially surprising or unique twists in either movie since each concept has been done in comics for a long long time.

One last comment: To say that Richard Prior's character from #3 is comparable to the "hobgoblin" in any meaningful way is a massive massive stretch.




Ok, they never called him hobgoblin, simply "new goblin". Second, it seems pretty big to me that they both loose their powers in the second one because they want the girl. And third, Peter even says in the first movie "I'm thinking of moving to the city." So you can't really argue that one either.

[Ion Kenshin]

But this is comparing movies. I thought this started of trying to complare the comics. The movies may share some similarities as the ones listed but not really sure it applies completely to the comics

[TheCorpulent1]

but it doesn't fuel the Spider-Van
Chevron does that.

[Arach Knight]

It really isn't reaching or ridiculous. The person who crafted that list provided only a synopsis without ever stating which movie he or she was referring to. So the reader could infer that the description (and adequately so) fits the films for Superman or Spider-Man.

You can't say the same about any other super hero films. They may involve common themes or subjects such as parental death (a common theme: Batman, Blade, Spider-Man, Superman) but they usually take drastically different paths. Batman, nor Blade grew up to work at a metropolitan news paper. Neither of them tried to help out their elderly mother (figure) back home. The similarities between the Superman films and the Spider-Man films are too numerous to be sheer coincidence.

One or two similar plot points? Sure. Three? Why not. But to have the same synopsis, so exact in description for every sequential film, begs further scrutiny. Believe me, I was skeptical myself, but I spent about an hour comparing origins and films for DC and Marvel. These are the only two that are so alike.

-Both orphans
-Both lived small lives (suburbs/rural vs. metropolitan)
-Both have dorky glasses wearing alter egos (Peter has progressed though)
-Both work at metropolitan news papers
-Both wear red and blue costumes
-Both are inspired to do what is right, based upon the creed of their fathers

It is okay though. You shouldn't be so defensive. This is common in comics. Just accept that Stan may have taken Superman as an archetype, and decided to utilize that to craft his own take on that sort of mythos. Ultimately, the characters have vastly divergent personalities and lives. But how they came to be, embodies an eerie parallel. Sort of like how Deadpool is clearly inspired by Deathstroke the Terminator. Likewise, Lobo was inspired by Wolverine (and to a degree, the Punisher). Some things are not as blatant in showing that they are in fact borrowing ideas, but some are (The Sentry, Supreme = Superman).

If it makes you feel better, even The Man of Steel is not entirely without inspiration. Before one even ventures into potential biblical allegorises, one need only look back to the days of pulp comics, to see that The Man of Tomorrow borrows from Doc Savage.

-Both have a base of operations known as The Fortress of Solitude, which is located in the arctic

-Doc Savage was known as "The Man of Bronze" where as Superman is known as "The Man of Steel"

-Both have a trademark spit curl hair style.

So it happens. And sometimes you have to abandon their naive nature and accept that nothing under the sun is new...

[Ion Kenshin]

I lost track of what we were trying to prove here?

[BlackLantern]

I don't know either Kenshin...I was talking about the Spidey Van

[Ion Kenshin]

Haha

[DACMAN]

It really isn't reaching or ridiculous. The person who crafted that list provided only a synopsis without ever stating which movie he or she was referring to. So the reader could infer that the description (and adequately so) fits the films for Superman or Spider-Man.

You can't say the same about any other super hero films. They may involve common themes or subjects such as parental death (a common theme: Batman, Blade, Spider-Man, Superman) but they usually take drastically different paths. Batman, nor Blade grew up to work at a metropolitan news paper. Neither of them tried to help out their elderly mother (figure) back home. The similarities between the Superman films and the Spider-Man films are too numerous to be sheer coincidence.

One or two similar plot points? Sure. Three? Why not. But to have the same synopsis, so exact in description for every sequential film, begs further scrutiny. Believe me, I was skeptical myself, but I spent about an hour comparing origins and films for DC and Marvel. These are the only two that are so alike.

-Both orphans
-Both lived small lives (suburbs/rural vs. metropolitan)
-Both have dorky glasses wearing alter egos (Peter has progressed though)
-Both work at metropolitan news papers
-Both wear red and blue costumes
-Both are inspired to do what is right, based upon the creed of their fathers

It is okay though. You shouldn't be so defensive. This is common in comics. Just accept that Stan may have taken Superman as an archetype, and decided to utilize that to craft his own take on that sort of mythos. Ultimately, the characters have vastly divergent personalities and lives. But how they came to be, embodies an eerie parallel. Sort of like how Deadpool is clearly inspired by Deathstroke the Terminator. Likewise, Lobo was inspired by Wolverine (and to a degree, the Punisher). Some things are not as blatant in showing that they are in fact borrowing ideas, but some are (The Sentry, Supreme = Superman).

If it makes you feel better, even The Man of Steel is not entirely without inspiration. Before one even ventures into potential biblical allegorises, one need only look back to the days of pulp comics, to see that The Man of Tomorrow borrows from Doc Savage.

-Both have a base of operations known as The Fortress of Solitude, which is located in the arctic

-Doc Savage was known as "The Man of Bronze" where as Superman is known as "The Man of Steel"

-Both have a trademark spit curl hair style.

So it happens. And sometimes you have to abandon their naive nature and accept that nothing under the sun is new...

Wow. I don't think there is anything to add to this. Well said.

[bryanss3]

wow its so peaceful here today. very well thought out post Arach Knight.

[JustABill]

Well, today's issue pissed me off for more than one of two reasons. This Chamelon thing served as nothing more than how can we **** up Peter's lame life even more?

Oh and...

If they had Chamelon kill Harry in Peter's face? And that's all he was brought back from the dead for? I will be very very angry.

[Alastor]

I seriously doubt he's dead.

[TheCorpulent1]

Nobody dies in comics. He'll be back in a couple issues, tops. ;)

[LouFerignoDemon]

I's gonna say. He'd be dead, except for he has an addiction to being alive.

[Superunknown]

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how they work this one out? They always say when the Devil grants your wish, on the surface you get what you want but they'll be an underhanded twist. But Mephisto, of course had no obligation to tell Spidey that protecting his identity would ultimately cost him his life instead of May's :oldrazz:

And what's this Sinister 666 that a few of you mentioned? Is this really going to an upcoming arc?

[Arach Knight]

wow its so peaceful here today. very well thought out post Arach Knight.

I do what I can. I started off with a brief response to another poster's rebuttal. Eventually it all turned into a well guided conversation about something other than how angry everyone is. I think it needs to be said that at the end of the day, we are all Spidey fans. That factor, more than anything else, should unite us more than it divides us. So if I could create a new mood by cleverly guiding the conversation else where, then my pleasure.

Anyways, when does the Anti-Venom/Punisher team up issue come out? Or was that already released?

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'm not a Spidey fan, I just like to watch things burn.

Like so: Punisher could easily kill Spider-Man. Now begin the fight. >=D

[TheCorpulent1]

I do what I can. I started off with a brief response to another poster's rebuttal. Eventually it all turned into a well guided conversation about something other than how angry everyone is. I think it needs to be said that at the end of the day, we are all Spidey fans. That factor, more than anything else, should unite us more than it divides us. So if I could create a new mood by cleverly guiding the conversation else where, then my pleasure.

Anyways, when does the Anti-Venom/Punisher team up issue come out? Or was that already released?
I think it's a whole mini-series. It hasn't started yet.

[bryanss3]

the Anti-Venom mini starts September 9th. I wish it was out now.

I can't wait for the next issue i got 602 and 603 today. I wasn't into it really from the preview I saw, but after reading the 2 issues straight through I'm loving this. I didn't realize how amusing this arc would be. Also check out Ms. Marvel #43 for 2 reason 1. it's the only book so far other than ASM where I've seen them acknowledge Norman Osborn and Lily Hollister's relationship and 2. She's gonna go on a date with Spidey in a few issues so just start reading it its a good book:)

Also I kinda liked how the Mr. Negative mini wrapped up. I'm not that in to his back story, but I like the character and what they did in this mini. It was fun and Hammerhead was bad ass in it. I like Mr. Negative's crime syndicate.

Also I can't wait for the next issue of Sinister Spider-Man.

[SpideyInATree]

Really enjoyed the latest issue, # 603. I just really enjoy that Van Lente is making Chameleon a very dangerous threat, not just to Spider-man, but to the world.

And the last few pages were pretty insane.

Chameleon seems very taken back that Peter has all these attractive women in his life. Very, VERY brutal what Chameleon said to Flash when he saw him in the wheelchair. He gets that guy to leave Mary Jane alone though, very brutally, but it got the job done. Though the big cliffhanger is whether or not Chameleon will pull the trigger on Harry.

Chameleon DEFINITELY just made Peter Parker's already complicated life much more complicated. Michelle now thinks that he really, REALLY likes her. Flash Thompson probably won't want to talk to Peter ever again. And if he tries to cap Harry then that friendship is going to be out the window for a while. Just some very good stuff all around. And how Peter survived that acid like he did just boggles my mind though.

Chameleon and Harry do have a past, if you're think continuity wise. Harry used Chameleon to mess with Peter and have his parents come back. So, I don't know if they are keeping that in or out. I'm guessing so because Chameleon seems very eager to get to Harry. So, we'll see.

[Colossal Spoons]

Chameleon's back? Nice. I wasn't a fan of the new villains they tried to create for Spidey. Menace FTL

[BlackLantern]

I liked Screwball

[SpideyInATree]

Chameleon's back? Nice. I wasn't a fan of the new villains they tried to create for Spidey. Menace FTL

A lot of his classic villains are making a come back. Electro will be coming back in October I believe. And Spidey will be fighting a gauntlet of his old villains in November.

[random_havoc]

The way Peter was revealed to still be alive was the most bloody retarded thing I've seen in a while. Pete's never been shown to have ultra resistant skin (ie, a knife or bullet goes through him as easily as anyone else), yet he was clearly immersed in acid (his clothes were burned away at and his skin had a few redmarks) that had reduced another man to a skeleton in no time, and he just CRAWLS OUT OF IT!!
Now, there were a number of points in this issue that I liked, such as Chameleon beating the crap outta that guy, so seeing this ending really ticked me off.

[Tron Bonne]

Yeah, I was wondering about that myself. I know that Pete is stronger, but acid so strong it dissolves flesh should have had more effect on him then what was shown. Especially since it seemed that Pete had been there at least for a few hours with all the stuff happening with Chameleon. Maybe they will address it next issue

[Colossal Spoons]

A lot of his classic villains are making a come back. Electro will be coming back in October I believe. And Spidey will be fighting a gauntlet of his old villains in November.

Awesome. A step in the right direction.

[bryanss3]

Yeah thats the only thing I thought was stupid about the issue. It looked like he was wrapping himself in webbing or something for protection. Even though it's stupid and it makes no sense unless they explain it next issue we all knew he was gonna come back. It would have made more sense if that scene was right after the Chameleon left.

[Themanofbat]

The way Peter was revealed to still be alive was the most bloody retarded thing I've seen in a while. Pete's never been shown to have ultra resistant skin (ie, a knife or bullet goes through him as easily as anyone else), yet he was clearly immersed in acid (his clothes were burned away at and his skin had a few redmarks) that had reduced another man to a skeleton in no time, and he just CRAWLS OUT OF IT!!
Now, there were a number of points in this issue that I liked, such as Chameleon beating the crap outta that guy, so seeing this ending really ticked me off.


I know what you're saying, as I felt it as well... though there is a number of explanations for it.... the first and foremost being that there might have been a few feet of space between the top of the acid and the roof of the containment wall... so while Peter was stuck to the roof of the tank, he might have gotten his burns from the continuous splashing as a result from the continual punching... explaining why most of his clothes are burned as well as the small burn marks on his hands and face...

:yay:

[Themanofbat]

Maybe it did occur shortly after the Chameleon left... and then he passed out while the Chameleon went about as Peter...

[moraldeficiency]

Honestly it's not that big an issue considering. We've all seen Pete take abuse that would easily kill several humans and he's not horribly ****ed up. Peter Parker has a very advanced, I'll say superhuman, recovery system that's healed broken bones, scars, slashes and blunt force trauma that would put a hole through a tank. I'd say his skin, while damagable, is far more resistant to abuse than any normal human. He took acid to the face which went to the eyes a little while back and he's taken enough chemicals of osbone, the chameleon, kraven and a host of others for this not to be the first time in the hurt locker. It's not a big point, this issue was fantastic, one of the best I've read in a long long time.

That said, all the chameleon's jokeresque, dialogue and actions would have been even more excellent if Peter Parker was married.

[DACMAN]

The way Peter was revealed to still be alive was the most bloody retarded thing I've seen in a while. Pete's never been shown to have ultra resistant skin (ie, a knife or bullet goes through him as easily as anyone else), yet he was clearly immersed in acid (his clothes were burned away at and his skin had a few redmarks) that had reduced another man to a skeleton in no time, and he just CRAWLS OUT OF IT!!
Now, there were a number of points in this issue that I liked, such as Chameleon beating the crap outta that guy, so seeing this ending really ticked me off.


This actually isn't true. They've never really fully said how resistant to injury Spider-Man is. His durability has always been "enhanced." And to take the blows he does you'd have to have enhanced skin. Otherwise every time he was hit by someone strong, or hit something hard his skin would break right away. Like the fall in Spider-Man 2. Someone that has normal skin would have broken skin from that fall (not to mention broken bones). Plus if his muscles are enhanced it makes sense that the rest of his tissues are enhanced. We've even seen a comic where his skin bent a needle when someone tried to draw some blood. Though it was the Ultimate line. Which really shouldn't matter since there powers are suppose to be identical.

[kguillou]

Its funny, if you watch the director's cut of Spiderman 2, there's a scene when Spidey is fighting Doc Ock on the subway train in which Spidey gets hit dead on by a fast moving train. When I say hit, i mean HIT. The train straight up rams him, and he recovers from that unscathed....so yeah spidey's strength is questionable. lol

[Spidey_62]

The way Peter was revealed to still be alive was the most bloody retarded thing I've seen in a while. Pete's never been shown to have ultra resistant skin (ie, a knife or bullet goes through him as easily as anyone else), yet he was clearly immersed in acid (his clothes were burned away at and his skin had a few redmarks) that had reduced another man to a skeleton in no time, and he just CRAWLS OUT OF IT!!
Now, there were a number of points in this issue that I liked, such as Chameleon beating the crap outta that guy, so seeing this ending really ticked me off.

Marvel released a b&w page on their site about a week ago from 604 that shows him wrapping himself in a web-cocoon as the acid starts filling up the place. Hence Peter having webs all over him at the end of the issue.

So no, he doesn't have indestructible skin. Give them credit, no one in their right mind would stoop Spidey that low. :oldrazz:

[Arach Knight]

Actually, Spider-Man was depowered by OMD. So all of the heightened endurance and strength he displayed over the years as he progressed, was erased. What was lost?

-insectopathy (my own term for his ability to speak to insects)
-spider stingers
-organic webbing

Since he lost those powers, and the opening of BND states that Peter was returned to "the status quo," it can be concluded that his strength limit is once again ten tons, and that he is pretty much as vulnerable as he was in the past. Able to take a blunt beating from super villain fists, but not withstanding acid or having bones healed after being severly broken by a mis illustrated jigsaw.

[imdaly]

Actually, Spider-Man was depowered by OMD. So all of the heightened endurance and strength he displayed over the years as he progressed, was erased. What was lost?

-insectopathy (my own term for his ability to speak to insects)
-spider stingers
-organic webbing

Since he lost those powers, and the opening of BND states that Peter was returned to "the status quo," it can be concluded that his strength limit is once again ten tons, and that he is pretty much as vulnerable as he was in the past. Able to take a blunt beating from super villain fists, but not withstanding acid or having bones healed after being severly broken by a mis illustrated jigsaw.

The only "upgrade" that we can be fairly sure of being gone is the organic webbing, and hey, even that might be something he still has but chooses for some reason not to use (though I seriously doubt it).

The other upgrades could very well still be here. I mean, it's not like they're powers he used very often before OMD. Just because we haven't seen him use them yet since OMD doesn't mean he doesn't have them anymore.

And remember, the organic webbing was an "upgrade" he obtained from an entirely separate "event" than the others...

[spideyboy_1111]

Slott said the "stingers" were gone...

[random_havoc]

Marvel released a b&w page on their site about a week ago from 604 that shows him wrapping himself in a web-cocoon as the acid starts filling up the place. Hence Peter having webs all over him at the end of the issue.

So no, he doesn't have indestructible skin. Give them credit, no one in their right mind would stoop Spidey that low. :oldrazz:

That's the only explanation so far that's made sense at all, but even with that one I can't help but roll my eyes. After all, it didn't look like there was a whole lotta room down there, so apparently Pete woke up at exactly the right time, broke the restraints without making enough noise for the chameleon to hear, AND managed to make the web cocoon all in the span of a couple seconds.

Like i said, liked a number of things in the issue, but you shouldn't put a character in peril and then get him out in an irrational way just for the sake of a cheap cliff-hanger.

[bryanss3]

I know what you mean. Hopefully the next issue tells us how he did it. Either way it's not like any one believed Peter Parker was actually gonna die.

[Dan_Slott]

The way Peter was revealed to still be alive was the most bloody retarded thing I've seen in a while. Pete's never been shown to have ultra resistant skin (ie, a knife or bullet goes through him as easily as anyone else), yet he was clearly immersed in acid (his clothes were burned away at and his skin had a few redmarks) that had reduced another man to a skeleton in no time, and he just CRAWLS OUT OF IT!!
Now, there were a number of points in this issue that I liked, such as Chameleon beating the crap outta that guy, so seeing this ending really ticked me off.


The last page showed that he got out. Not how. "The most bloody retarded thing"? Way to have a knee-jerk reaction. :whatever: Sure glad you're not reviewing these or anyth-- oops...:o

[spiderbob]

I know what you mean. Hopefully the next issue tells us how he did it. Either way it's not like any one believed Peter Parker was actually gonna die.

From the shards of webbing that were on him, I took it to mean that Peter encased himself in a cocoon of webbing, which protected him from the acid long enough to break out, though the acid was strong enough to eat through most of it and began to eat away at his clothing and skin (hence the trashed civies and blistered skin), before he could.

[Ion Kenshin]

Thats pretty much how I viewed it. I mean why show him covered in webbing if he didn't actually cover himself with it.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Someone used the term "bloody" in description of something? Furriner!!!

Which sounds nothing short of hilarious with my accent. =/

Either way, what's Peter's skin/oil composition?

[DACMAN]

The last page showed that he got out. Not how. "The most bloody retarded thing"? Way to have a knee-jerk reaction. :whatever: Sure glad you're not reviewing these or anyth-- oops...:oSome people at Marvel seem to hate Spider-Man being married and decided to erase it even though most fans loved it(or at least hated the way it was done and hate the way he's being treated now.) Way to have a knee jerk reaction and not give a crap about the fans.:whatever: Sure glad you're not writing these or anyth-- oops...:o











Disclaimer: I still don't think the real Dan Slott would come in here to brag about issue 600 selling out like it was his writing and not the fact it was issue 600 that moved those books. But if this guy is going to say he's Slott I can throw things back at him as if he were Slott.

[TheCorpulent1]

But the fans are still buying the comic, so it's a win for Marvel. B****ing to Dan Slott ain't gonna change anything.

[Tron Bonne]

Well, since Dan Slott did neither of those things with his post then I guess you have more reason to believe:whatever:

[Ion Kenshin]

I thinks it's really time to get over yourself.

[BlackLantern]

what do you expect someone to do when you keep running them down all the time?? sit there and take it??

[LouFerignoDemon]

Some people at Marvel seem to hate Spider-Man being married and decided to erase it even though most fans loved it(or at least hated the way it was done and hate the way he's being treated now.) Way to have a knee jerk reaction and not give a crap about the fans.:whatever: Sure glad you're not writing these or anyth-- oops...:o











Disclaimer: I still don't think the real Dan Slott would come in here to brag about issue 600 selling out like it was his writing and not the fact it was issue 600 that moved those books. But if this guy is going to say he's Slott I can throw things back at him as if he were Slott.


How the heck would that be a knee-jerk reaction? :huh:

[Themanofbat]

How the heck would that be a knee-jerk reaction? :huh:

He just used that sentence with the word "jerk" into it because he would think that he's being "clever" because he highlighted the word "jerk", so he's thinking that he's calling Dan Slott a jerk, but he's sneaky about it, because he's been told by some mods to knock it off...

:whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

:yay:

[LouFerignoDemon]

Ooookay. :l

[Dan_Slott]

Some people at Marvel seem to hate Spider-Man being married....

I've said a number of times that I have no problem with a married Spider-Man, or a single Spider-Man, a Black Costumed Spider-Man, a Red & Blue Costumed Spider-Man, a six-armed Spider-Man or a Bag-Head Spider-Man. I love every darn version of Spider-Man.

I've written stories with a married Spider-Man (in Venom Super-Size Special #1, She-Hulk #4, Spider-Man/Human Torch #5, etc.).

Now, I'm writing stories with a single Spider-Man.

...even though most fans loved it...

I love it when one fan speaks for "most fans". The fact is, any time a change happens, you'll never see a situation where all fans (or even most fans) agree or are happy with it. When Gwen Stacy died, there were a lot of fans that were not happy with that. When Ben Reilly took over as Spider-Man, there were a lot of fans that were unhappy with that. But look at how many MJ fans there are since Gwen's death. Look at how many Scarlet Spider fans that keep asking for Ben's return. There is no "most" fans scenario-- or anyway to make it seem that way without doing all kinds of back-flips...

(or at least hated the way it was done and hate the way he's being treated now.)

See?

Way to have a knee jerk reaction and not give a crap about the fans.:whatever:

I don't really get your point here. What knee-jerk reaction are you saying that I'm making?

Disclaimer: I still don't think the real Dan Slott would come in here to brag about issue 600 selling out like it was his writing...

Can you show me the exact quote where I did that? I've been very effusive with my praise and gratitude to everybody's amazing contributions to #600. And don't think there's a single interview or video clip of me talking about #600 anywhere over the whole internet where I don't acknowledge EVERYONE'S contributions, sing the praises of John, Klaus, and Dean-- plug the talented guys we had working on the other stories and special features-- and ESPECIALLY praise the hard work our editors did around the clock, and the tireless efforts of our sole letterer (for ALL 104 pages), Joe Caramagna!

So, I'm sorry, and I hate saying things like this. But you're FOS on this one.

But if this guy is going to say he's Slott I can throw things back at him as if he were Slott.

It's me.

[Ion Kenshin]

Seriously can we just make a DACMAN vs Dan Slott thread. Cause if we have to go thru this every time a new issue of Spidey comes out its gonna get real old real fast. It pretty much has already. :rolleyes:

[LouFerignoDemon]

I don't really get your point here. What knee-jerk reaction are you saying that I'm making?




Someone explained it to me as he was trying to call you a jerk by that, and be slick or something about it.

I can slap him if you want. :cmad:

No problems with that.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Seriously can we just make a DACMAN vs Dan Slott thread. Cause if we have to go thru this every time a new issue of Spidey comes out its gonna get real old real fast. It pretty much has already. :rolleyes:


I really don't understand what's going on, to be honest.

Is it more of a DACMAN playing the PhotoJones card, and retaliating against an artist or writer because it's "cool" to do so?

Is it Slott prodding him?

What? :huh:

[Ion Kenshin]

I really don't understand what's going on, to be honest.

Is it more of a DACMAN playing the PhotoJones card, and retaliating against an artist or writer because it's "cool" to do so?

Is it Slott prodding him?

What? :huh:
Lord knows anymore. But it has been going on since issue 600 and has done nothing but get worse and worse. Enough of the "GOD I HATE SPIDER-MAN SO MUCH BUT MAN IF I DON"T BUY IT I WILL HAVE NOTHING TO ***** ABOUT HATING"

[LouFerignoDemon]

If that's the case, DACMAN needs to lay off. I'm a Slott fan, so I'm probably a little biased, but DAC, the guy is a writer. It's not like he sits in a freaking corner all F****NG day long wondering how he's going to screw over Spider-Man. You don't like it? Fine. Whatever. If you NEED to know what's going on in the Spideyverse, great, read it in the comic shop so you don't blow your money.

But don't go freaking raging against some guy just because you particularly don't like the way it's going.

I am 100% sure he's not the one who made the call of the breakup of the marriage, don't give him blame for something that's not his fault.

If this is what Slott gets on these boards, I kinda fear what would happen if Bendis came to these boards. =/

[Themanofbat]

Can you show me the exact quote where I did that? I've been very effusive with my praise and gratitude to everybody's amazing contributions to #600. And don't think there's a single interview or video clip of me talking about #600 anywhere over the whole internet where I don't acknowledge EVERYONE'S contributions, sing the praises of John, Klaus, and Dean-- plug the talented guys we had working on the other stories and special features-- and ESPECIALLY praise the hard work our editors did around the clock, and the tireless efforts of our sole letterer (for ALL 104 pages), Joe Caramagna!

He thinks that you were bragging about ASM #600 because if the thread you started that made the claims that ASM #600 sold out and will go to a second printing...

Many of us here simply feel that you were proud of your work and your great accomplishment, but in his tunnel-visioned point of view, he saw that as "bragging"...

Hope this clears it up for you...

Mike

:yay:

[Tron Bonne]

I can give you the quote Slott.

:)

You posted the article that talked about the second printing in this thread and :) with it. Apparently :) = beating your chest and bragging that your writing alone sold the issue.

EDIT: Here's the exact quote that DACMAN is referencing:

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9141.Amazing_Spider-Man_%23600_Sells_Out

:)

[TheCorpulent1]

Seriously can we just make a DACMAN vs Dan Slott thread. Cause if we have to go thru this every time a new issue of Spidey comes out its gonna get real old real fast. It pretty much has already. :rolleyes:
Yeah, I think it's gone on long enough myself. We're all free to debate the comics endlessly here, but this isn't about the comics anymore; it's now at the stage where every time Dan makes a post, DACMAN immediately attacks him for it and the whole thread devolves into back-and-forth retreads of all the same arguments we've heard a million times before.

So, to DACMAN: If you've got a problem with Dan, feel free to message him directly about it and you guys can work it out. It's dragged on long enough in here and I'll be issuing infractions for anymore personal feuding.

[BlackLantern]

Corp will go all Aquaman on your a$$....and not lame Superfriends Aquaman, but badass King of Atlantis Aquaman

[TheCorpulent1]

I should infract you just for mentioning Super Friends Aquaman. :cmad:

[LouFerignoDemon]

it's now at the stage where every time Dan makes a post, DACMAN immediately attacks him for it and the whole thread devolves into back-and-forth retreads of all the same arguments we've heard a million times before.




Now -this- is the Hype I remember. :o

[SpideyInATree]

The last page showed that he got out. Not how. "The most bloody retarded thing"? Way to have a knee-jerk reaction. :whatever: Sure glad you're not reviewing these or anyth-- oops...:o

But he doesn't review them. There are two others who review them. He is a reviewer but just gets to read the Amazing Spider-Man issues for free because they come with the issues that he reviews as well. :oldrazz:

[MaskedManJRK]

Seriously can we just make a DACMAN vs Dan Slott thread. Cause if we have to go thru this every time a new issue of Spidey comes out its gonna get real old real fast. It pretty much has already. :rolleyes:

I'd prefer throwing them in a stone circle, give them broadswords and have them fight to the death for our amusement, but that works just as well, I suppose.

:woot:

[BlackLantern]

well Dan might win then...he's got a low center of gravity (it's a compliment Mr. Slott)

[MaskedManJRK]

well Dan might win then...he's got a low center of gravity (it's a compliment Mr. Slott)

I can imagine--but don't underestimate the strength that comes from Nerd Rage. :o

[BlackLantern]

I can imagine--but don't underestimate the strength that comes from Nerd Rage. :o

haha...true...I have witnessed two incidents of nerd rage...1 successful...1 complete failure

[SpideyInATree]

I can imagine--but don't underestimate the strength that comes from Nerd Rage. :o

Heh. Nerd rage only means something on the message boards. If DACMAN were actually face to face with Dan Slott he would never say anything that he says on these message boards.

Trust me. I have seen the angriest of nerds at cons go on and on about writers and artists. Then I go, "Well, there goes the guy right over there...tell him how you feel." Then the guy just looks at his feet and walks away.

Very few times have I actually seen someone confront a writer or artist face to face. And most times the person explains themselves very well in person and then he and the creator have a nice conversation and get beers afterward.

As someone said in another thread here on the Hype. It's easy to put down a writer and artist with the computer as your shield.

[MaskedManJRK]

haha...true...I have witnessed two incidents of nerd rage...1 successful...1 complete failure

...Well don't leave me hangin', sir--spin your tale for us!

[BlackLantern]

Trust me. I have seen the angriest of nerds at cons go on and on about writers and artists. Then I go, "Well, there goes the guy right over there...tell him how you feel." Then the guy just looks at his feet and walks away.

I remember at SDCC '07, before the Geoff Johns spotlight there was this one guy in line who was going on and on about how Hal Jordan sucked and Kyle Rayner this and he was going to let Johns have it during Q and A....when his turn came his question "do you have any future plans for Kyle Rayner?"

Geoff answered and that was it

[BlackLantern]

...Well don't leave me hangin', sir--spin your tale for us!

the successful one was when I was in the service....we had this newer guy in our department, quiet, glasses, we were out at some bar in San Diego and some drunk guy started giving him **** about his tshirt, there was some shoving and the kid let out this scream and punched him right in the neck....guy went down to one knee and his friends helped him away....

[Arach Knight]

I vote for this thread to be permanently be destroyed. It results in too many arguments. After a brilliant change of conversation that even led to opinions on current issues, we are once again brought into round 9 of the knock down battle between stubborn parties. Dacman, though I agree that Spider-Man has been seriously wrecked (though the current stories are not bad) and makes Marvel a some what unreadable universe, you still have to give it a bit of a rest.

Mr. Slott (if you are indeed him. I find it dubious at best, but we will assume for the best), you are a professional and likely his senior. You should be more responsible and just ignore him. I know it has to get under your skin to have somebody call you out. I have seen the video from the 2007 comic-con where Kevin Smith had to battle a heckler. But this is not live confrontation. You have a powerful weapon at your disposal. Just ignore him and spare this thread the arguing. There are more productive conversations to be had.

DACMAN, it is my advise that you seriously fall back on this one. I want to be in your corner, but I am honestly surprised that Cropulent hasn't just perma-banned you. Why waste a perfectly good account and Avatar on battling a guy who will get replaced and have his work eventually undone by some writer who has a polar perspective on this character? Didn't somebody undo Grant Morrison's Magneto drug addiction angle? Didn't somebody retcon Norman Osborn's death? Take comfort in knowing that no matter how much comic books will piss you off with poor scripting, plot holes and sub par dialog, things always pick back up at some point.

I myself stopped reading Spider-Man for roughly a decade after Ben took over as Spider-Man and he had to battle nano-tech Carnage (not Cletus Kassady if you are wondering). But I eventually came back (thanks to JMS). Once again I am not reading Marvel because I feel that my favorite hero is being mishandled. Just move along and find something better to read. I suggest the Sinestro Corp War and Blackest Night. Good stuff.

[Ion Kenshin]

Nvm

[SpideyInATree]

I remember at SDCC '07, before the Geoff Johns spotlight there was this one guy in line who was going on and on about how Hal Jordan sucked and Kyle Rayner this and he was going to let Johns have it during Q and A....when his turn came his question "do you have any future plans for Kyle Rayner?"

Geoff answered and that was it

Haha. Yeah, that's how it usually goes.

Mine was at the Pittsburgh Comic Con and I think it was back in 2006 maybe? I know it was the year that Brian Michael Bendis was there. Now that was huge for Pittsburgh because we never get big time creators for our Cons.

The one guy I went with kept saying the whole way there. "I'm waiting in line and giving Bendis crap about all his damn continuity errors! Jesus! He should stick with Powers and his stupid crime comics! He should NOT be touching the Marvel Universe with those pudgy ugly hands of his!" Actual quote too.

We get to the Con and he's all fired up still talking smack on Bendis. We get to his line, and it's a long line mind you, and he just FREEZES UP. I go, "Hey, man, there goes Bendis right over there. Go give it to him. I REALLY want to see this I should have bought the video camera." He goes, "Man, that line is too long I don't want to wait all that time...". The other guys we were with goes, "Dude, screw the line I mean just go stand off to the side and say what you want to say." I go, "Yeah, all you have been doing the past few months is talk crap on the guy. You ***** about the guy on the message boards. You've made a damn career out of it practically! Now is your chance to actually know how you feel!".

And then this ***** boy says, "Yeah, that'd just be stupid. I mean...if you don't have anything nice to say don't say it at all. Forget it. I want to go scan the dollar bins."

He looks down at his feet. Walks toward the dollar bins and me and that other guy just shake our heads laughing.

So, if you don't have anything nice to say...don't say it at all? Yeah, so maybe that should go for the message board too. Haha.

[moraldeficiency]

I vote for this thread to be permanently be destroyed. It results in too many arguments. After a brilliant change of conversation that even led to opinions on current issues, we are once again brought into round 9 of the knock down battle between stubborn parties. Dacman, though I agree that Spider-Man has been seriously wrecked (though the current stories are not bad) and makes Marvel a some what unreadable universe, you still have to give it a bit of a rest.

Mr. Slott (if you are indeed him. I find it dubious at best, but we will assume for the best), you are a professional and likely his senior. You should be more responsible and just ignore him. I know it has to get under your skin to have somebody call you out. I have seen the video from the 2007 comic-con where Kevin Smith had to battle a heckler. But this is not live confrontation. You have a powerful weapon at your disposal. Just ignore him and spare this thread the arguing. There are more productive conversations to be had.

DACMAN, it is my advise that you seriously fall back on this one. I want to be in your corner, but I am honestly surprised that Cropulent hasn't just perma-banned you. Why waste a perfectly good account and Avatar on battling a guy who will get replaced and have his work eventually undone by some writer who has a polar perspective on this character? Didn't somebody undo Grant Morrison's Magneto drug addiction angle? Didn't somebody retcon Norman Osborn's death? Take comfort in knowing that no matter how much comic books will piss you off with poor scripting, plot holes and sub par dialog, things always pick back up at some point.

I myself stopped reading Spider-Man for roughly a decade after Ben took over as Spider-Man and he had to battle nano-tech Carnage (not Cletus Kassady if you are wondering). But I eventually came back (thanks to JMS). Once again I am not reading Marvel because I feel that my favorite hero is being mishandled. Just move along and find something better to read. I suggest the Sinestro Corp War and Blackest Night. Good stuff.

I advise people not to give advise.

Nothing wrong with disagreements (and I'm almost positive that's dan slott), just people can get too into it. If the internets isn't the right place to ***** a bit though, what is?

[iloveclones]

I advise people not to give advise.

Nothing wrong with disagreements (and I'm almost positive that's dan slott), just people can get too into it. If the internets isn't the right place to ***** a bit though, what is?


Church.

[Themanofbat]

Why waste a perfectly good account and Avatar on battling a guy who will get replaced and have his work eventually undone by some writer who has a polar perspective on this character?

Boys... that was a nasty back-handed slap to Dan's face... :wow:

:csad:

[moraldeficiency]

Church.

Touche sir, though I can't go back anymore after the "incident". (who knew pews went up in flames like children's nightwear?)

[Themanofbat]

I should infract you just for mentioning Super Friends Aquaman. :cmad:

http://forums.superherohype.com/customavatars/avatar2359_3.gif

:woot: :woot: :woot:

:yay:

[LouFerignoDemon]

I vote for this thread to be permanently be destroyed. It results in too many arguments. After a brilliant change of conversation that even led to opinions on current issues, we are once again brought into round 9 of the knock down battle between stubborn parties. Dacman, though I agree that Spider-Man has been seriously wrecked (though the current stories are not bad) and makes Marvel a some what unreadable universe, you still have to give it a bit of a rest.

Mr. Slott (if you are indeed him. I find it dubious at best, but we will assume for the best), you are a professional and likely his senior. You should be more responsible and just ignore him. I know it has to get under your skin to have somebody call you out. I have seen the video from the 2007 comic-con where Kevin Smith had to battle a heckler. But this is not live confrontation. You have a powerful weapon at your disposal. Just ignore him and spare this thread the arguing. There are more productive conversations to be had.

DACMAN, it is my advise that you seriously fall back on this one. I want to be in your corner, but I am honestly surprised that Cropulent hasn't just perma-banned you. Why waste a perfectly good account and Avatar on battling a guy who will get replaced and have his work eventually undone by some writer who has a polar perspective on this character? Didn't somebody undo Grant Morrison's Magneto drug addiction angle? Didn't somebody retcon Norman Osborn's death? Take comfort in knowing that no matter how much comic books will piss you off with poor scripting, plot holes and sub par dialog, things always pick back up at some point.

I myself stopped reading Spider-Man for roughly a decade after Ben took over as Spider-Man and he had to battle nano-tech Carnage (not Cletus Kassady if you are wondering). But I eventually came back (thanks to JMS). Once again I am not reading Marvel because I feel that my favorite hero is being mishandled. Just move along and find something better to read. I suggest the Sinestro Corp War and Blackest Night. Good stuff.

Trust me when I say this: You're not going to fix it by attempting playing the mediator. Nice efforts though.

However, it's a forum board, if they're going to argue here and there, that's what it's here for, so long as it isn't trolling. If you want "pure intellectual" conversation, I honestly go recommend finding a college oriented forums, and start threads about comics there.

You're not arguing with logic when it comes to stuff like this. Especially when you're going to say, "I'm suprised X moderator hasn't done blah blah blah." And then FURTHER statements already made by other posters by trying to give examples of percieved wrongings of writers and whatnot.

If four or five of us already said it clear enough, and he's not going to get it, longer posts aren't either. They will goad him straight on.

Take it from someone who has the experience on this particular matter.

I don't want to be insulting, but nothing gets solved here by eight or nine people telling the guy to lay off.

[Themanofbat]

Church.

Yep... we all used to get along at the Church with all the other Churchies... until we had this funny smelling Weedy McSmokey guy set the place on fire...

:woot: :woot: :woot:

I love that name... there used to be a user here called Weedy McSmokey...

:yay:

[iloveclones]

Sometimes I'm surprised that Corpy hasn't kicked me off for not starting enough fights. I mean, there's a quota, right?

[LouFerignoDemon]

Sometimes I'm surprised that Corpy hasn't kicked me off for not starting enough fights. I mean, there's a quota, right?


I'm actually suprised (almost dissapointed) Corpy didn't preventative-ban me upon seeing me come back. :o

But then I forgot, Corpy loves me. :oldrazz:

[Themanofbat]

weedy mcsmokey... :up: :word: :up:

http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=9177

:woot: :woot: :woot:

Not that I endorse the usage of drugs, but in a world where nicotine and alcohol is considered "legal", why is it that pot is illegal?

Geeez.... could it be because the tobacco companies and the nylon compaines of the 1930's pressured the US government to make their biggest rival illegal?

Naaaaw... of course not... :whatever:

[moraldeficiency]

Sometimes I'm surprised that Corpy hasn't kicked me off for not starting enough fights. I mean, there's a quota, right?

I give you credit for some of mine just to keep you around. All the fights that I'm wrong about actually.

[SpideyInATree]

weedy mcsmokey... :up: :word: :up:

http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=9177

:woot: :woot: :woot:

Not that I endorse the usage of drugs, but in a world where nicotine and alcohol is considered "legal", why is it that pot is illegal?

Geeez.... could it be because the tobacco companies and the nylon compaines of the 1930's pressured the US government to make their biggest rival illegal?

Naaaaw... of course not... :whatever:

Yes, I agree very much. Alcohol has much worse effects on people than marijuana ever will. Plus, the government makes it legal...puts a tax on it, BOOM this bad economy gets saved. And everyone will have much lighter attitudes and less screaming at the health care meetings! :woot:

But, how did we get into this conversation? :huh:

[LouFerignoDemon]

I 'unno. Alchohol impares more, which means it also disallows more actions, where marijuana doesn't, and impares you just the same. Leading some to believe using marijuana is somehow safer. =/

However, adding pot to legality definitely wouldn't have as much positive effect as most think. There would be FDA research needed, restrictions, levels of elements within it, costs of regulation, entire groups which would have to monitor it's usage. It really just adds a ton more work.

And... I have no clue.

Either way, Spidey. He's got teh webz. :o