View Full Version : Georgians (Southern Hypesters): How Do You Feel About Michael Vick??
Prognosticator
07-24-2007, 02:21 PM
Unless you're absolutely hiding in your own Franklin Richards pocket universe, you've noticed the Dog Fighting scandel that continues to DOMINATE the sports & media worlds, respectively.
**For Idiots: NFL QB Michael Vick indicted on Federal Charges for allegations linking him to dog fighting**
Poles/views have been pretty unfavorable for the most part concerning Vick. But in the Atlanta area specifically, the race card has officially been dealt by many among the black community.
Again, these are not my words. Turn on any national news and see that this has become a strong talking point.
My question to the Hypesters of Georgia (Immortalfire, Lizard, Muscles, ect..) and the surrounding southern region: What's your take on Michael Vick, and don't give me that "innocent until proven guilty" gar-bage. Your opinion. And 2) What is your opinion about the race card, whether that's justified or uncalled for.
Chime in!
POWdER-man
07-24-2007, 02:28 PM
**For Idiots: NFL QB Michael Vick indicted on Federal Charges for allegations linking him to dog fighting**
wow...that's pretty harsh.....I know about it just by hearing things around but some people live in a no-news bubble and might not have heard anything....esp if they live in a different country.....
Anyway....it's not a question of race...if he did it and it's illegal then he should be charged.....that's it....
Even though I don't live in that area my take is the same....I don't care who you are...if you do something illegal, you get caught...you get charged....that's it...
Anyone that does what he has done to animals, is one of the lowest forms of humans alive.....right along with pedophiles, people who prey on the elderly, etc.......just disgusting.
ROBOCOP CPU001
07-24-2007, 02:32 PM
I feel left out, its only to southern hypesters.
:(
jaguarr
07-24-2007, 02:33 PM
He should have his balls cut off. :ColonelSandersDisguise:
jag
Prognosticator
07-24-2007, 02:34 PM
^^ Haha, go ahead, leave your 10 cents! :up:
ROBOCOP CPU001
07-24-2007, 02:37 PM
The man should be put away and bummed in prison until death.
:mad:
Spider-Fan
07-24-2007, 02:37 PM
I am a New Yorker/Ohioan
He deserves to be locked away :cmad:
Immortalfire
07-24-2007, 02:37 PM
In general, I've liked Vick alright for the most part. QB percentages aside, he usually seemed ok to me. But this is a heap of trouble he's in, and the very idea of dog fighting is exceptionally cruel.
My biggest concern is for the rest of the team, and what this could do to them. Because you know it could be a major distraction. Wondering about him, while trying to get ready for some football at the same time. Thus, I was glad to hear that Goodell ordered Vick not to report to camp.
Blank has said time and again he wants to turn the Falcons into a championship team. Perhaps a key to doing so would be with Vick out. It's a bad situtation he's in, and wether it be leave, suspended or a release by the league, I say whatever. I'm a fan, but not a major one. Because if you've noticed that G avatar I sport during football, that team means more to me than the Falcons ever will.
The Evolutionist
07-24-2007, 02:38 PM
He should be put through the same **** he did to those dogs. And the race card is absolute ********, like most of the other times it's used nowadays.
The Evolutionist
07-24-2007, 02:39 PM
In general, I've liked Vick alright for the most part. QB percentages aside, he usually seemed ok to me. But this is a heap of trouble he's in, and the very idea of dog fighting is exceptionally cruel.
My biggest concern is for the rest of the team, and what this could do to them. Because you know it could be a major distraction. Wondering about him, while trying to get ready for some football at the same time. Thus, I was glad to hear that Goodell ordered Vick not to report to camp.
Blank has said time and again he wants to turn the Falcons into a championship team. Perhaps a key to doing so would be with Vick out. It's a bad situtation he's in, and wether it be leave, suspended or a release by the league, I say whatever. I'm a fan, but not a major one. Because if you've noticed that G avatar I sport during football, that team means more to me than the Falcons ever will.
I'm sorry, but the last thing that should be on anyone's mind is "What will happen to the team?".
Prognosticator
07-24-2007, 02:39 PM
In general, I've liked Vick alright for the most part. QB percentages aside, he usually seemed ok to me. But this is a heap of trouble he's in, and the very idea of dog fighting is exceptionally cruel.
My biggest concern is for the rest of the team, and what this could do to them. Because you know it could be a major distraction. Wondering about him, while trying to get ready for some football at the same time. Thus, I was glad to hear that Goodell ordered Vick not to report to camp.
Blank has said time and again he wants to turn the Falcons into a championship team. Perhaps a key to doing so would be with Vick out. It's a bad situtation he's in, and wether it be leave, suspended or a release by the league, I say whatever. I'm a fan, but not a major one. Because if you've noticed that G avatar I sport during football, that team means more to me than the Falcons ever will.
They're supposed to announce Joey Harrington the starting QB today. That's what I heard last night.
Prognosticator
07-24-2007, 02:41 PM
He should be put through the same **** he did to those dogs. And the race card is absolute ********, like most of the other times it's used nowadays.
That's how I feel as well. But I know there is still so much racial tension that lingers in the southeastern states like Georgia. And ATL is a hot-button city as well.
But I'm glad Goodell took measure to distance Vick from the NFL. Even if the prosecution botches this case. :up:
I am a New Yorker/Ohioan
He deserves to be locked away :cmad:
More than locked away.......but I have to chill with stuff like this, because I don't exactly have an unbiased train of thought in these cases....
The thought that the race card is even a minor factor is ridiculous....IMO
Immortalfire
07-24-2007, 02:44 PM
That's how I feel as well. But I know there is still so much racial tension that lingers in the southeastern states like Georgia.
The key word is "lingers". It's present, but nowhere near prominent despite what Hollywood and the media say.
The key word is "lingers". It's present, but nowhere near prominent despite what Hollywood and the media say.
I agree....
ROBOCOP CPU001
07-24-2007, 02:47 PM
B.U.D (bummed until death)
that should be a new law...
They're supposed to announce Joey Harrington the starting QB today. That's what I heard last night.
I've heard rumors to that also.......but right now the only official word out of the Falcon's camp is they've told Vick .... "Don't show up to training camp....." so putting 2 and 2 together.....the rumor is probably right....
Prognosticator
07-24-2007, 02:49 PM
And the race card is sheer balogna b/c I look at the Chris Benoit mess, and I think, "If he were black and in that situation (coincidentally lived in Georgia), would the black community have become outraged that the investigation didn't look into a 'frame job' for the whole mess??"
Crimes are crimes, there is no color to it. I'll all for justice. And from the dog fighting videos I've seen (and being a dog owner), this brutality is definitely an injustice to modern society.
The Evolutionist
07-24-2007, 02:50 PM
That's how I feel as well. But I know there is still so much racial tension that lingers in the southeastern states like Georgia. And ATL is a hot-button city as well.
I live in Savannah, Georgia, and I am one of only 4 white people that live on my block (the other three are the two guys who live above me and the guy who lives in the apartment attached to mine). I have never been anything but nice to everyone I've met, and have never done a damn thing to make them think that I hold myself above them. I've helped them get their cars to run, carry heavy **** into their homes, and other stuff like that.
Many of the people around here, however, still look at me as though I'm Jim ****ing Crowe himself. I've been called Cracker more times than I can count. I asked my neighbor why I was still regarded with such disdain, and she said that it was simply because they weren't willing to accept the fact that a white person was actually a decent human being. I know this same **** goes down when the situation is reversed, but the fact remains that African-Americans perpetuate it just as much as White people do.
Prognosticator
07-24-2007, 02:50 PM
I've heard rumors to that also.......but right now the only official word out of the Falcon's camp is they've told Vick .... "Don't show up to training camp....." so putting 2 and 2 together.....the rumor is probably right....
That's what they were saying on ESPN Radio's Game Night at 11:30pm last night. That's my source.
Spider-Fan
07-24-2007, 02:52 PM
More than locked away.......but I have to chill with stuff like this, because I don't exactly have an unbiased train of thought in these cases....
The thought that the race card is even a minor factor is ridiculous....IMO
The race card is BS here. My opinion on the race card keeping racism alive is for another thread though.
I think he needs to be punished to the full extent of this crime. I am not sure what that is though.
Prognosticator
07-24-2007, 02:52 PM
I live in Savannah, Georgia, and I am one of only 4 white people that live on my block (the other three are the two guys who live above me and the guy who lives in the apartment attached to mine). I have never been anything but nice to everyone I've met, and have never done a damn thing to make them think that I hold myself above them. I've helped them get their cars to run, carry heavy **** into their homes, and other stuff like that.
Many of the people around here, however, still look at me as though I'm Jim ****ing Crowe himself. I've been called Cracker more times than I can count. I asked my neighbor why I was still regarded with such disdain, and she said that it was simply because they weren't willing to accept the fact that a white person was actually a decent human being. I know this same **** goes down when the situation is reversed, but the fact remains that African-Americans perpetuate it just as much as White people do.
Man that sucks! Don't let the standard bring you down. Thanks for sharing your story! :up:
scifiwolf
07-24-2007, 02:53 PM
As a Virginian, I'm disusted that the Vick brothers have sullied the state with their association to Virginia Tech and using a Virginian residence to torture and murder dogs. Starve and beat the both of them, toss 'em into a pit with a peice of ham between them, and then shoot the loser.
That's what they were saying on ESPN Radio's Game Night at 11:30pm last night. That's my source.
noooo.....noooo....nooooo.................I'm not saying you're wrong by any means........I think that will be the next big announcement from the Falcons camp.......:yay:
The Evolutionist
07-24-2007, 02:55 PM
As a Virginian, I'm disusted that the Vick brothers have sullied the state with their association with Virginia Tech and using a Virginian residence to torture and murder dogs. Starve and beat the both of them, toss 'em into a pit with a peice of ham between them, and then shoot the loser.
I'm behind this 100%. :up: :up:
I live in an area of Houston where I am the minority, and I've only been treated with respect from those that live around me.......I'm white btw.....and I've found that, no matter the race, if I treat people with respect, I get treated with respect.....I've lived in the same area for 16 years.....high crime area.....but my neighbors and myself look out for one another.....I enjoy where I live and work.
As a Virginian, I'm disusted that the Vick brothers have sullied the state with their association to Virginia Tech and using a Virginian residence to torture and murder dogs. Starve and beat the both of them, toss 'em into a pit with a peice of ham between them, and then shoot the loser.
I hope they throw everything they've got at him............I live in an area of Texas where Dog Fighting is huge......I hate it with a passion, I hope they throw the book at him.........
Excel
07-24-2007, 03:01 PM
I wanna know how deep into he was or if he was some rich guy from the ghetto whose freeloader friends to adventage of him.
whoever is responsible should locked away and raped :o
scifiwolf
07-24-2007, 03:05 PM
Better yet, they should round up starving, ravenous dogs and let them have at Vic and his friends.
Prognosticator
07-24-2007, 03:06 PM
I don't think there are "levels of involvement" when it comes to dog fighting. You're either a part of it or you're not. It wouldn't make sense to have your foot a quarter of the way in the door on something like this....he OWNED the dog kennel where they found the tourtured corpses.
Immortalfire
07-24-2007, 03:08 PM
Better yet, they should round up starving, ravenous dogs and let them have at Vic and his friends.
Justice.
Citadel30
07-24-2007, 03:11 PM
I live in Ga, about 20 minutes outside ATL and you people wouldn't believe it if you heard all of the call-ins on sports radio talk shows from people claiming that Vick is being set up or singled out by the Gov't just because he is a high profile African American.
I am not saying he is innocent or guilty- I think that we should all let the justice system(even though it is screwed up sometimes) handle it and if he is guilty- then he needs to sentenced like any other AMERICAN accused of such heinus crimes.
I just want those of you who do not live in the south or in Atlanta know that down in this part of the country- some people do not care what the crime is or about personal accountability of one's actions- they only care about seeing one of their own beat the system. Its a shame.
Excel
07-24-2007, 03:14 PM
I don't think there are "levels of involvement" when it comes to dog fighting. You're either a part of it or you're not. It wouldn't make sense to have your foot a quarter of the way in the door on something like this....he OWNED the dog kennel where they found the tourtured corpses.
Yes there is. Vick has boys who he lets chillat his crib and they tke advantage of him. if hes into it himself; **** him.
I actually got into a debate with a couple friends the other day, about Vick. (I live in GA) I think, if he's guilty, he should do his time, blah blah blah. They were the type of people who are like "they're just dogs. :huh: Just take his dogs away and let em go back to playing."
To which I said "If you kill a person, they don't just take your gun away and ask you to never do it again."
"But they're dogs!"
:whatever:
The Lizard
07-24-2007, 03:18 PM
I don't give a crap about professional sports, so meh -- prison time.
terry78
07-24-2007, 03:31 PM
Some people don't give a **** about animals, but then there are people that care WAY too much about animals, to the level of moreso than human lives. Both extremes are ridiculous.
Citadel30
07-24-2007, 03:32 PM
I actually got into a debate with a couple friends the other day, about Vick. (I live in GA) I think, if he's guilty, he should do his time, blah blah blah. They were the type of people who are like "they're just dogs. :huh: Just take his dogs away and let em go back to playing."
To which I said "If you kill a person, they don't just take your gun away and ask you to never do it again."
"But they're dogs!"
:whatever:
Yeah- i hate that arguement- "they are just dogs"
It is about one living creature forcing another living creature to fight to the death due to starvation and beatings.
It is about one living creature wetting down another living creature and electrocuting it just for amusement or because it didnt kill another animal like it was TRAINED to.
We are SUPPOSED to be a civilized society. We are supposed to hold ourselves to a higher standard than most. And to hear countless and countless people call in to talk radio shows claiming that a "culture" is being singled out or a white man wouldn't be treated like this just blows my mind.
Here is a quick comparision:
Tom Brady- the golden boy of the NFL, knocked his ex-girlfriend and got her preggo. His name was and is the topic of many conversations all over the news!!! He was blasted by ESPN and ridiculed by people everywhere...
NOW- HOW MANY NFL STARS OR MAJOR SPORTS ALTHELTES HAVE KNOCKED UP MISTRESSES/GIRLFRIENDS OVER THE YEARS???
HOW MANY HAVE BEEN SINGLED OUT LIKE BRADY HAS???
Do people of the white race complain that it is singling out and defamation of a white man because he is a star in the NFL? NOPE- they just say- haha- serves him right for dating a crazy chick...
The only way this country- or the south- is going to progress with the rest of society is the day that people recognize that the entire world isn't a conspiracy against them because of skin color.
Now i will get off my soap box... haha
Prognosticator
07-24-2007, 04:15 PM
Yes there is. Vick has boys who he lets chillat his crib and they tke advantage of him. if hes into it himself; **** him.
Vick's a little smarter than say, Pacman Jones. He rules his roost, make no mistakes about that.
I actually got into a debate with a couple friends the other day, about Vick. (I live in GA) I think, if he's guilty, he should do his time, blah blah blah. They were the type of people who are like "they're just dogs. :huh: Just take his dogs away and let em go back to playing."
To which I said "If you kill a person, they don't just take your gun away and ask you to never do it again."
"But they're dogs!"
:whatever:
What?! Another high-profile Georgian!? Mee, I thought you lived in TX??
Citadel, I think you might be thinking of Matt Lienart. I don't recall anything like that about Brady. But I guess I might've just missed it. :shrug:
What?! Another high-profile Georgian!? Mee, I thought you lived in TX??
Nope. Never even been there. I am a Cowboys fan though.
Prognosticator
07-24-2007, 04:18 PM
Okay, that's it. I knew there was some connection. :)
....*Senile* :(
Citadel30
07-24-2007, 04:19 PM
Citadel, I think you might be thinking of Matt Lienart. I don't recall anything like that about Brady. But I guess I might've just missed it. :shrug:
Naw- Tom Brady was dating Bridgette Monahan(sp?) and they broke up and now he is engaged to that model Giesele. But Bridgette came out and said that she was preggo with Brady's kid.
Prognosticator
07-25-2007, 10:10 AM
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p150/Prognosticator/ArenaVick.jpg
Justice.
Sensi
07-25-2007, 11:25 AM
Anyone that does what he has done to animals, is one of the lowest forms of humans alive.....right along with pedophiles, people who prey on the elderly, etc.......just disgusting.
I agree. Cruelty in any form is unforgivable.
3dman27
07-26-2007, 06:48 AM
if vick is found guilty ban him from football for LIFE and toss him intiothe steelbar hotel[prison]and if found not guilty let him resume his carreer and earn a living in peace
terry78
07-26-2007, 09:17 AM
They're just going to suspend him. He's not getting any other punishment than that. Because while animal cruelty is illegal, it's still not humans. That's just how we think. If you eat meat, you just don't think about them like that unless you have extremely bonded with a pet.
scifiwolf
07-26-2007, 10:42 AM
I've been saying for years that cruelty to animals should carry almost equal weight as humans. In the case of dogs, it should be equal. As a species, we've taken every bit of ability to survive from dogs, and we have the responsibility to take care of them. Dogs are so loyal because they trust us. We need to honor that and be every bit as loyal to them.
I was 6 years old when I got my first dog in 1991. She had numerous health problems, typical for a purebred Boxer, but especially so later in life. Even through cancer and paralysis, she was happy because she was loved and cared for. It was only when it became apparent that she was no longer happy that we put her down.
And, there on the floor of the vet's office, with her head in my lap, the last thing she did in this world was open her eyes, lift her head, and give me one, final kiss. I think about that every time some piece of **** like Vic and his friends do what they do.
They're just going to suspend him. He's not getting any other punishment than that. Because while animal cruelty is illegal, it's still not humans. That's just how we think. If you eat meat, you just don't think about them like that unless you have extremely bonded with a pet.
Thats true, the sentences in these cases are not that much, the least being probation. I have no doubt he did it, Georgia Federal Courts have a 90% conviction rate, simply because they don't make an arrest unless they have damn good evidence. It will be interesting what they do since he says he is going to plead guilty.
I'd love to see him come back on the football field, and let the fans get ahold of him.............thats much better than probation, a fine, and possibly a few days in jail. He's going before the first judge right now to set bond. It will be interesting to watch.
His bond hearing said....
*he plead not guilty
*he surrenders his passports...(duh)
*he cannot buy or sell dogs....(duh)
*he will be under supervision while awaitng his trial....
*he cannot violate any laws (driving, etc...etc....etc...) (duh)
so nothing more than that......pretty sucky if you ask me.....but not surprising....
But damn the BOOS outside of the courtroom as he comes out are deafening.......
His trial is November 26th.
3dman27
07-26-2007, 04:06 PM
His bond hearing said....
*he plead not guilty
*he surrenders his passports...(duh)
*he cannot buy or sell dogs....(duh)
*he will be under supervision while awaitng his trial....
*he cannot violate any laws (driving, etc...etc....etc...) (duh)
so nothing more than that......pretty sucky if you ask me.....but not surprising....
But damn the BOOS outside of the courtroom as he comes out are deafening.......
His trial is November 26th.and he deserves every "boo "he gets dogfighting promoters are SCUM:ninja:
and he deserves every "boo "he gets dogfighting promoters are SCUM:ninja:
No disagreement from me.....one thing is almost a positive with this court date......his 2007 football season is down the drain. This guy is no C. Bryant so I doubt the football league will allow him to play up until the date. Bryant could play well under the pressure. The QB has to have his entire head on straight to play, and he doesn't have the will power to be able to do that.....even if the league says go ahead and play, the coaches I think have already moved on.....but I would love to see what the crowd would do to him when he runs on the field.....
Prognosticator
07-26-2007, 06:28 PM
Awesome! Thanks for the updates AF! :up:
Let's hope he stays away from the NFL this season from start to finish. And if/when he would come back, I hope public opinion gives it to him worse than they have Barry Bonds. :cmad:
No problemo.....
and totally agree....
Also, just to be clear.....he could get anywhere from probation -- 6 years in prison.....there is alot that can happen in this case.....
I also don't believe that the 4 counts against him will be all there is.....I think the prosecution has only just begun in this case....
VenomXXXXL
07-28-2007, 01:30 AM
A few thoughts:
What Vick (likely) did was horrendous. He's done damage to the image of the Falcons because he was the most visible player in team history. He's done damage to the NFL because his story of "poor Southern boy makes good" was promoted by the NFL.
I think only now is Vick understanding what he did was wrong. As reflected in the words of Clinton Portis, I doubt that some of these young athletes truly understand the gravity of dogfighting.
I don't care how bad it sounds in the media, Vick will survive this. He'll pay the fines with no problem. If he does jail time, it will be a few months in the off season. He may never return to the Falcons but some other team will give him a chance. It may not be fair but that's reality.
A few thoughts:
What Vick (likely) did was horrendous. He's done damage to the image of the Falcons because he was the most visible player in team history. He's done damage to the NFL because his story of "poor Southern boy makes good" was promoted by the NFL.
I think only now is Vick understanding what he did was wrong. As reflected in the words of Clinton Portis, I doubt that some of these young athletes truly understand the gravity of dogfighting.
I don't care how bad it sounds in the media, Vick will survive this. He'll pay the fines with no problem. If he does jail time, it will be a few months in the off season. He may never return to the Falcons but some other team will give him a chance. It may not be fair but that's reality.
I don't think it will be this season......I don't think ANY NFL team wants the fan backlash baggage that he will bring to any team. This is huge nationwide on every news show out there...there are few that have not heard, and do not have an opinion, of which is pretty harsh towards Vick. But as I've said before, fine, let the fans have him.......that will be more graitifying for this dog lover to watch than any fine or few days in jail....
3dman27
07-28-2007, 09:43 AM
i saw while watching my tape of friday night fights the crawler that said converse and nike have suspended selling vick merchandise as has nbc.com
i saw while watching my tape of friday night fights the crawler that said converse and nike have suspended selling vick merchandise as has nbc.com
Yeah, Nike got bombarded with an email campaign from dog rescues all over the US, we all got together via the internet and sent emails. I have no idea how many were sent to Nike, but if we all sent them in, it was millions.
Also, his #7 Jerseys are being pulled off the shelves, and his trading cards have been pulled as well.
This is my question......If all of this is true.....He didn't do it for the money, he just signed a 10 year deal with the Falcons, and all his endorsements, so if its not for the money, what kind of a person would do that as a hobby? He was about to open a kennel to breed. I just don't understand that.....
scifiwolf
07-28-2007, 07:31 PM
What I've been hearing from people, some of whom are his neighbors, is that Vic frequented the house. Also, people will testify that Vic was engaging in the beating of the dogs - some witnesses will testify that he was even bodyslamming them.
What I've been hearing from people, some of whom are his neighbors, is that Vic frequented the house. Also, people will testify that Vic was engaging in the beating of the dogs - some witnesses will testify that he was even bodyslamming them.
They have a friend of his that is turning states evidence against him.....so yeah, he has problems.
Kritish
07-28-2007, 10:32 PM
I've just scrolled through page after page of emotional Disneyfied rubbish. Michael Vick isn't murderer or child molester for God's sakes, he might have fought some dogs, big ****ing deal. Fine him a million and get over it.
Also kiddos, he's pleading innocent, there's a slim chance that he might be innocent.
Hunter Rider
07-28-2007, 10:47 PM
I have no idea who this guy is and haven't read the 3 pages entirely but from Krits post i thought for a moment the guy had actually been fighting dogs, which would have been...different
Kritish
07-28-2007, 10:50 PM
I actually got into a debate with a couple friends the other day, about Vick. (I live in GA) I think, if he's guilty, he should do his time, blah blah blah. They were the type of people who are like "they're just dogs. :huh: Just take his dogs away and let em go back to playing."
To which I said "If you kill a person, they don't just take your gun away and ask you to never do it again."
"But they're dogs!"
:whatever:
Um, they're just dogs. Dogs don't have the same rights as people. :dry:
Mr. Wooden Alligator
07-28-2007, 11:22 PM
I don't care who you are. Dog fighting is one of the things I can't stand, and would actually agree with PETA on. That's bad when you agree with PETA. Anyone linked to it should be investigated, not just the people forcing the canines to fight.
Kritish
07-28-2007, 11:24 PM
I don't care who you are. Dog fighting is one of the things I can't stand, and would actually agree with PETA on. That's bad when you agree with PETA. Anyone linked to it should be investigated, not just the people forcing the canines to fight.
I'm not pro-dog fighting either, I just think it's pathetic that people are acting like this is the worse crime on Earth.
VenomXXXXL
07-28-2007, 11:54 PM
I don't think it will be this season......I don't think ANY NFL team wants the fan backlash baggage that he will bring to any team. This is huge nationwide on every news show out there...there are few that have not heard, and do not have an opinion, of which is pretty harsh towards Vick. But as I've said before, fine, let the fans have him.......that will be more graitifying for this dog lover to watch than any fine or few days in jail....
I agree that it won't be this season but I'm 99.9% sure his football career isn't over. I've seen athletes survive all kinds of image problems to play another day. I'm not defending what he did in any way but the only way I see this being the end for Vick is if he goes to jail long enough for his skills to seriously diminish. With the resources he has, I don't see that happening.
Kritish
07-29-2007, 12:13 AM
What scares me is that there's NFL players who commit crimes all the time against people and there's no where near the same back lash as what's going on against Michael Vick.
Docker2.0
07-29-2007, 01:15 AM
What scares me is that there's NFL players who commit crimes all the time against people and there's no where near the same back lash as what's going on against Michael Vick.
:up: I don't see why this story is getting so much press! It's ridiculous! He may/may not have done it, but why is people willing to chew him up so quickly? The funny thing is when the Duke Lacrosse team was accused of rape, everyone blasted them but as soon as they were found innocent, noone really stood up for them, it just "went away", that's american justice for you! :rolleyes:
terry78
07-29-2007, 09:51 AM
Now when he's getting the same type of coverage that Lohan is getting, you know something is wrong. Her ass was on the verge of killing people by stupidity. Now I am a dog lover myself so I never agreed with the whole dogfighting thing, but I don't feel that he should be stripped of his entire career. He should be lambasted and punished, but that's about it.
Mr. Wooden Alligator
08-10-2007, 11:29 AM
The dogs get their revenge:
http://www.jossip.com/wp/docs/2007/08/michael-vick-chewtoy.JPG
:ninja:
terry78
08-10-2007, 11:33 AM
That doll is black as hell.
I've just scrolled through page after page of emotional Disneyfied rubbish. Michael Vick isn't murderer or child molester for God's sakes, he might have fought some dogs, big ****ing deal. Fine him a million and get over it.
Also kiddos, he's pleading innocent, there's a slim chance that he might be innocent.
Dude, no ****ing way.
So you're saying that fighting 50-something pitbulls, which will HAVE to be put down due to not being able to be domesticated, and having 7 dead dogs at the house, is just worthy of a million dollar fine?
That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard you say, man. :csad:
Prognosticator
08-10-2007, 11:49 AM
How many Nerf Herder points do I get for my Gladiator Vick pic Fran? :cmad:
You're not in the program :cmad:
jaguarr
08-10-2007, 12:08 PM
That doll is black as hell.
You're just jealous because it can grow a moustache and you can't. :p
jag
Prognosticator
08-10-2007, 12:19 PM
You're not in the program :cmad:
But Barry Bonds was! :o
terry78
08-10-2007, 12:41 PM
You're just jealous because it can grow a moustache and you can't. :p
jag
Quit deviating from the point. :o
Speedball
08-10-2007, 06:54 PM
As a citizen of VA, I'm ashamed to share the same homestate with him.
I think he's a pompous ass who feels because he is famous, he can do whatever he wants.
Speedball
08-10-2007, 06:58 PM
hey scifiwolf, which part of VA are you from?
I grew up in the same area as Vick.
Drizzle
08-10-2007, 08:57 PM
I'm not a Southerner but I don't give a ****. I'm posting anyway. Michael Vick should be hanged from a tree by his balls.
terry78
08-10-2007, 09:25 PM
I'm not a Southerner but I don't give a ****. I'm posting anyway. Michael Vick should be hanged from a tree by his balls.
http://www.pjhlaw.co.uk/uploads/images/racist.jpg
Kritish
08-10-2007, 11:54 PM
Dude, no ****ing way.
So you're saying that fighting 50-something pitbulls, which will HAVE to be put down due to not being able to be domesticated, and having 7 dead dogs at the house, is just worthy of a million dollar fine?
That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard you say, man. :csad:
Of course Michael Vick is a jack ass and deserves to be punished, but let's save room in the big house for people who kill people.
Drizzle
08-11-2007, 05:25 PM
http://www.pjhlaw.co.uk/uploads/images/racist.jpg
Race has got nothing to do with it. I would say the same thing if a white guy was involved in promoting dog fights.
Prognosticator
08-14-2007, 10:24 AM
That's a brilliant comic strip! :up:
Prognosticator
08-15-2007, 12:20 PM
Immortal Fire LOVES Dog Fighting! :cmad: :down
PETA: "1 Year Suspension from Moderation!!!"
Of course Michael Vick is a jack ass and deserves to be punished, but let's save room in the big house for people who kill people.
He'll get 6 to 7 months in prison with a hefty fine.....suspended from the 2008 football season, pay the SPCA 1 million in a donation.....and will be playing for the Raiders in 2009.
Thats my prediction...:cwink:
jaguarr
08-15-2007, 01:41 PM
Of course Michael Vick is a jack ass and deserves to be punished, but let's save room in the big house for people who kill people.
There's no room in prison for those people, either. They get reduced sentences and early parole quite often. Gotta make room for those college students that got busted with a bag of pot one too many times and now are doing 20 years minimum under the three strikes rule. :up:
jag
jaguarr
08-15-2007, 01:42 PM
He'll get 6 to 7 months in prison with a hefty fine.....suspended from the 2008 football season, pay the SPCA 1 million in a donation.....and will be playing for the Raiders in 2009.
Thats my prediction...:cwink:
I hope so. My Raiders DESPERATELY need a halfway decent quarterback. :hyper:
jag
I hope so. My Raiders DESPERATELY need a halfway decent quarterback. :hyper:
jag
I'm being serious, I think thats the team that will take him.......and I don't mean anything against the Raiders, I just think they are a team that has fans that will look at it exactly the way you are.....
jaguarr
08-15-2007, 01:51 PM
I'm being serious, I think thats the team that will take him.......and I don't mean anything against the Raiders, I just think they are a team that has fans that will look at it exactly the way you are.....
I'm half joking, half not. The Raiders have had so many issues with their offense and particularly their QB slot for YEARS (I blame Al Davis). If an opportunity to pick up someone like Vick who's really fairly talented arises, and he's cleaned up his act and paid his debt to society for his crimes, then there's no reason not to.
jag
Prognosticator
08-15-2007, 01:54 PM
So you still don't think they'll have JaMarcus Russell signed by the 08' season?! :woot:
jaguarr
08-15-2007, 01:56 PM
So you still don't think they'll have JaMarcus Russell signed by the 08' season?! :woot:
Haha! Let's say I remain skeptical that he's going to be the leader they hope he's going to be. I hope he is, but he's pretty green to the league with a lot to learn. Pro ball is a lot different from college ball.
jag
Prognosticator
08-15-2007, 01:59 PM
What a waist of a first overall if he doesn't work out! :(
The Lions are looking smarter and smarter all the time! :huh:
(I give ALL credit to Mike Martz, and NOTHING to Millen)
mrvlknight21
08-15-2007, 02:01 PM
I believe Vick is guilty. If he does do time, when he comes out he will probably play in the pro football league that Mark Cuban is starting up.
jaguarr
08-15-2007, 02:02 PM
Hahaha! :D
http://www.firemillen.com/
jag
Prognosticator
08-15-2007, 02:05 PM
:up: :up:
ck51100
08-17-2007, 12:52 PM
He'll get 6 to 7 months in prison with a hefty fine.....suspended from the 2008 football season, pay the SPCA 1 million in a donation.....and will be playing for the Raiders in 2009.
Thats my prediction...:cwink:
I think you're right. As long as he's not with my Falcons I'll be okay.
jaguarr
08-17-2007, 01:04 PM
You know, last night HBO Real Sports with Bryant Gumble had an expose' on the whole underground dog fighting thing last night. I watched it and was absolutely disgusted and appalled by some of the things these guys do to these dogs. They abuse them. Teach them to be aggressive. Shoot them full of steroids. Kidnap other people's family dogs and then cripple them or duct tape their mouths shut and then throw them in the pit with their fighting dogs so they will learn how to kill (this part of the segment actually made me cry; the images they showed were horribly graphic and disturbing). And they ruthlessly kill the dogs they deem as being weak or quitters in a fight. These people are scum. Period. Seeing what I saw last night really drove that home for me. Vick should get the chair.
jag
Prognosticator
08-17-2007, 01:17 PM
I'm REALLY disappointed that he's going to plea out and get off relatively easy! :down
I wanted to see the federal govt. throw the book at this guy, b/c the dog-fighting issue is beneath things like steriods, gun charges, etc...it's pretty pathetic and disgusting.
It sucks I forgot to watch Gumbel's special. There were several features I wanted to see. Luckily, it's HBO, and it'll run on & off for a week. Maybe I can dvr it over the weekend.
jaguarr
08-17-2007, 05:19 PM
The HBO special is very well done, but prepare to be shocked and upset by what you see in it. I had a very real crisis of faith in humanity after viewing it last night.
jag
Penismightier
08-17-2007, 05:29 PM
The 1 year in prison he'll plea out to is not enough.
Prognosticator
08-17-2007, 05:39 PM
New news report says the recent plea culprits say Vick participated in the 8 Dog executions :down
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7130140?MSNHPHCP>1=10347
jaguarr
08-17-2007, 05:50 PM
If they've really got evidence of his betting on these dog fights, his NFL career will be O-V-E-R.
jag
Penismightier
08-17-2007, 05:57 PM
His career as anything but a recluse shying away from people who hate his guts will be over. And they've got evidence. Tons of it. All three of his co-defendants entered plea bargains. So, either they're guilty or they're not guilty and just like prison.
Prognosticator
08-17-2007, 05:59 PM
I just heard on the radio that if Vick does decide to plea out on these charges from the feds, the state of Virginia still plans to pursue prosecuting him on other related charges.
Penismightier
08-17-2007, 06:06 PM
I just hope people see that they do have evidence and he doesn't become a martyr for race relations in America. This isn't about the fact that he's black. If it was Peyton Manning that did this I'd want him put in jail. Human decency has no color.
If he does make a plea bargain, it won't be as good as his 2 friends......they got the best deals out of this.....all he'll get is the little sympathy that the DA's office has left....which probably isn't much.
GoldenAgeHero
08-17-2007, 07:24 PM
impretty sure he's guilty, but i don't see any evidence taht proves he is. 2 people making deals with the DA is'nt evidence imo. it's basically thier word against his,unless the fed have evidence backing those two's claims.
impretty sure he's guilty, but i don't see any evidence taht proves he is. 2 people making deals with the DA is'nt evidence imo. it's basically thier word against his,unless the fed have evidence backing those two's claims.
This is Georgia, their Federal team has over a 90% conviction rate....one of the highest in the nation.......I can assure you if they are taking this all the way, which it seems they are...............they have the evidence to convict him....
terry78
08-18-2007, 09:54 AM
I just hope people see that they do have evidence and he doesn't become a martyr for race relations in America. This isn't about the fact that he's black. If it was Peyton Manning that did this I'd want him put in jail. Human decency has no color.
Peyton Manning wouldn't do this though. He's a goody goody. So it would be kind of moot.
rdh007
08-18-2007, 10:15 AM
I'm surprised Favre hasn't though, that dude's a senior year injury away from this:
http://www.rossanthony.com/F/images/frinitelights1.jpg
Penismightier
08-18-2007, 01:23 PM
Peyton Manning wouldn't do this though. He's a goody goody. So it would be kind of moot.
Any white player then. Looking at the guy below this, Favre is the more logical choice to do something like this.
Prognosticator
08-20-2007, 11:20 AM
Jag, I watched that episode of Real Sports last night....:cmad:
To sum it up, I basically became royally pissed off pretty quick, and wanted to join a Dog-Fighting Task Force to bust these things up! :cmad:
I was just as apalled by that Pacman Jones interview. Some people just have to gull to lie through their teeth on a regular basis to anyone and everyone. He makes me sick too :down
But I loved the interview, and Gumbel (personal issues aside) is a great journalist.
jaguarr
08-20-2007, 11:27 AM
Yeah, that whole episode is pretty damn upsetting, actually. The only thing on there that's nice to watch is the Agassi/Graff stuff at the end. Everything else in that episode made me upset, sad and angry.
jag
Prognosticator
08-20-2007, 12:08 PM
They did end on a high note :up:
Prognosticator
08-20-2007, 02:55 PM
Vick Pleads Guilty
jaguarr
08-20-2007, 02:56 PM
He hasn't pleaded guilty, yet. He's just agreed to a plea bargain deal with the prosecutor. It'll be interesting to see the details of the sentencing/punishment they push for as a result.
jag
Prognosticator
08-20-2007, 02:57 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2983121
Well still. We all know he's guilty.
jaguarr
08-20-2007, 02:59 PM
CNN is reporting that the initial offer on the table for Vick was 18-36 months, but his management was pushing for less. We'll see what he finally wound up with. They must have had him dead to rights on evidence for him to agree to a guilty plea like that. I hope the NFL stays true to their word and bans him for life for personal misconduct. What a jackass.
jag
Prognosticator
08-20-2007, 03:02 PM
His (attorney's) statement even includes an 'apology to all', which if you're innocent, why apologize?
He's admitting guilt.
jaguarr
08-20-2007, 03:04 PM
The apology is standard celebrity spin. It's meaningless.
jag
Docker2.0
08-20-2007, 05:53 PM
I don't have a problem with him being guilty..........truth is, it's to much evidence against him for him not to be. The thing that bothers me in all this is that you have players who have been to trial for murder who haven't received as much hate or publicity as him(Ray Lewis), and you can't even count the guys who have assaulted and hurt other players off the field who haven't been dissed like this. It seems people will raise hell more about killing a pitbull than they will about killing a human being. That's what is sad about all this.
GoldenAgeHero
08-20-2007, 06:01 PM
i agree with docker. yeah he participated in dog fights,its illegal. but i honestly don't see the big deal about it and i don't think he deserves a life ban from the NFL at all. I don't know if those dog executions are true or not,but he should be held accountable,if true. i just don't see it as a big deal.
Kritish
08-20-2007, 07:10 PM
I dislike dog fights like all normal people, but for god's sake people this is far from the worst crime imaginable. I find it entertaining that more people are willing to string Michael Vick up for fighting dogs than there are people that wanted to do the same to Michael Jackson.
I think Michael Jackson is a sick son of a ***** as well.......and I think what he did was far worse in the case of a child.....I think the parents of these children should have had their asses kicked as well......a night in an LA jail for Michael Jackson would do just fine in my opinion....
I don't put the 2 in the same category, nor does the law....
BUT, he has now confessed, to all that he said "He did not do before...." and the fact that he's "sorry" is bull****....I say put him in a fight with one of his dogs......let the dog take care of it.....
Both men are sick son of a *****es as far as I'm concerned.....just in different ways....
Kritish
08-20-2007, 08:09 PM
I think Michael Jackson is a sick son of a ***** as well.......and I think what he did was far worse in the case of a child.....I think the parents of these children should have had their asses kicked as well......a night in an LA jail for Michael Jackson would do just fine in my opinion....
I don't put the 2 in the same category, nor does the law....
BUT, he has now confessed, to all that he said "He did not do before...." and the fact that he's "sorry" is bull****....I say put him in a fight with one of his dogs......let the dog take care of it.....
Both men are sick son of a *****es as far as I'm concerned.....just in different ways....
I agree, but I don't think Vick deserves the same level of punishment as Jackson does.
El ASESINO
08-20-2007, 09:10 PM
As a person that loves dogs. I see nothing wrong here. Dogfighting is a sport just like bullfighting, horseraising, cockfighting and other sports that has an animal. It's only an animal it's no worse than when a dogpound puts a dog to sleep.
jaguarr
08-20-2007, 09:33 PM
As a person that loves dogs. I see nothing wrong here. Dogfighting is a sport just like bullfighting, horseraising, cockfighting and other sports that has an animal. It's only an animal it's no worse than when a dogpound puts a dog to sleep.
Errr....using bullfighting and cockfighting as your moral points of reference doesn't help your case much. Learn a little bit about how these dogs are raised and treated before you dismiss it as "just a sport". Learn a little bit about how the people who operate this so called "sport" or dog fighting operate and the brutal things they do (like stealing family dogs, duct taping their jaws shut and then throwing them in a pit with a fighting dog to teach that fighting dog how to kill, or shooting their dogs full of steroids, or feeding the "weaker" dogs they kill to their other dogs, just to name a few examples) before you write them off as "okay". Dog fighting, like cock fighting, is illegal in the U.S. for a reason; it is brutal, nonsensical violence that is unfair to the animals and often leaves them dead or maimed. There is no reason for it other than sick lust for bloodsport on the part of "humans". When a dogpound has to put a dog to sleep, as you reference, it's with a peaceful, sleep inducing overdose of barbituates. When a dog dies in a fight, it's because it's been maimed or mortally wounded by another animal and had to fight for it's very life in the process which is highly stressful unto itself. Big difference between the two.
As for Michael Jackson, he's just as sick a f**k as Vick. I see little difference between the two.
jag
As a person that loves dogs. I see nothing wrong here. Dogfighting is a sport just like bullfighting, horseraising, cockfighting and other sports that has an animal. It's only an animal it's no worse than when a dogpound puts a dog to sleep.
What you have just stated, does not equal in any form or fashion, some one who "loves" dogs.
GoldenAgeHero
08-20-2007, 10:04 PM
he never said that.
he never said that.
As someone who loves dogs, I see nothing wrong here...
What did you read in that statement....?
It's no different than the pound putting a dog to sleep...
What did you read in that statement.....?
Originally from Montreal, Canada, but I've been living in Atlanta for about 11 years or so...
I do not like nor follow football.
I am NOT a dog nor animal person.
Michael Vick is screwed.
terry78
10-04-2007, 01:36 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-vick-signingbonus&prov=ap&type=lgns
The Falcons want him to refund the 22 mil he got in bonus money over the years. Uh, no.
Prognosticator
10-04-2007, 01:44 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-vick-signingbonus&prov=ap&type=lgns
The Falcons want him to refund the 22 mil he got in bonus money over the years. Uh, no.
Vick is going to turn into O.J. if a court tries to hold him up to this!
He'd never pay it off!
jaguarr
10-04-2007, 01:47 PM
I've also read that the State of Virginia is looking at filing separate charges against Vick as well. He's truly screwed.
jag
Prognosticator
10-04-2007, 01:50 PM
Did anyone ever notice how after he made that speech about "finding Jesus" and seeing the proverbial light, he failed a drug test issued by the courts?? Just more lies & spin :down
Immortalfire
10-04-2007, 02:11 PM
Few things make me angrier than a celeb playing the God card when they get into trouble.
NateGray
10-04-2007, 02:33 PM
As a person that loves dogs. I see nothing wrong here. Dogfighting is a sport just like bullfighting, horseraising, cockfighting and other sports that has an animal. It's only an animal it's no worse than when a dogpound puts a dog to sleep.
Its quite obvious you are clueless so should not post about things you have no f-ing clue about...say like dog fighting.
Like horse racing? are you smoking crack? they are not even in the same ball park.
Like bull fighting again crack?
Like cock fighting yes which is also very frowned upon and just as illegal, also note in animal intelligence dogs are one of the closest to humans in intelligence while chickens are not even in the top 25.
As for the dog pound comment again pulling crap out your ass as they cannot even be compared, pound dogs are put to sleep as comfortable as possible (I know I worked a year in one)
Dog fighting dogs are half dead from the fight and not put down in a comfortable fashion unless you think being shot after being nearly dead from fighting is comfortable...me not so much.
He should get the full punishment and be banned from the NFL IMO anyways.
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