The Official SDCC Coverage Thread

[charl_huntress]

Fine, you can laugh if you want. But some people might think that you are making fun of them and trying to start a fight. But if you want to laugh, then go ahead. :oldrazz:



Don't be senstive about Bryan Singer's Superman Returns. I obviously can't be....:o

[AragornKing1]

Don't be senstive about Bryan Singer's Superman Returns. I obviously can't be....:o

I wasn't being sensitive about Superman Returns. You can think it sucked if you want. I won't get mad. It's not everyone's cup of tea. :yay:

[charl_huntress]

I wasn't being sensitive about Superman Returns. You can think it sucked if you want. I won't get mad. It's not everyone's cup of tea. :yay:

So don't get mad when I don't "hate" on the sequel. That's my thing...and to be honest I'm just very upset about the lack of Superman coverage at SDCC. WB should have taken the oppurtunity to promote their properties, but the most I saw was Watchmen. There was nothing else there...

Nothing :csad:

[AragornKing1]

So don't get mad when I don't "hate" on the sequel. That's my thing...and to be honest I'm just very upset about the lack of Superman coverage at SDCC. WB should have taken the oppurtunity to promote their properties, but the most I saw was Watchmen. There was nothing else there...

Nothing :csad:


I wasn't mad, I was confused as to why you called me those things. I now realize that your intentions were not malicious, you were just speaking the truth sort of speak. And yeah, like I said, Comic Con would have been the best place for WB to promote their other properties.

[Showtime]

Why am I seeing my name referenced again and again....

WB hasn't announced a slate for any of their comic book properties at Con as far as I know.

[GreenKToo]

I really think they missed a perfect opportunity to get the fans excited for future projects. All that hubbub about the summit appears to be just that, a bunch of hubbub.

[Nixon]

Still a day left . . . still a chance for them to talk about Superman and the Flash and Green Lantern?

[GreenKToo]

I hope so. we'll see.

[charl_huntress]

Why am I seeing my name referenced again and again....

WB hasn't announced a slate for any of their comic book properties at Con as far as I know.

Because I love you, Showey :yay:

[Mikelus]

WB is a bit slow, that's all, they just "need more time".... :o

[biolumen]

I still think the fact that the ownership to the Superman character is still being litigated in the courts might prevent WB from being able to say much of anything at this point.

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah....glad you feel that way Singer-supporter.
Is it really necessary to act so aggressively antagonistic?

[Spider-Fan]

Nothing about this at Comic-Con?

I think WB is weighing their options more than people think now. After the immense success of TDK, they say nothing of a movie they are supposed to have lined up for 2010? I don't buy it.

My hopes for a reboot happening have gone up!

[KobiKai]

Nothing about this at Comic-Con?

I think WB is weighing their options more than people think now. After the immense success of TDK, they say nothing of a movie they are supposed to have lined up for 2010? I don't buy it.

My hopes for a reboot happening have gone up!

I'm fully expecting them to come out talking about the exciting new direction set out for Superman, saying all the mistakes from the past have been examined and we can look forward to a Superman for the 21st century.
In other words Singers gone, Routh's gone and we'll all forget Superman Returns ever happened (Just like The Hulk)

[AragornKing1]

Except that Mark Millar's director said that WB isn't listening to any reboot pitches.

[KobiKai]

Except that Mark Millar's director said that WB isn't listening to any reboot pitches.

Maybe just not listening to his

[Superman-Prime]

LOL...you hate him too now, huh? You hate everyone who wants a reboot, huh?

:whatever:

I wish you could have seen the lack of Superman fans at SDCC...that make you rethink your stupid position.

Did I say anything to SR haters on this board? No.

I never like Kevin Smith and I always thought he is an idiot.

[Nightwing1977]

Anyway....I see too many Singer lovers here....and my threads get locked for no reason. That's a shame, but I see the cause. It's a shame but maybe Newsom runs SHH too.



Liking the film or supporting Singer to make improvement for MoS doesn't necessary mean one is a lover. Aren't you a Singer hater, hmm? Don't act like the so-call "lovers" are bad, 'cause there are others like you who are somewhat acting immature with the behavior you been showing lately.



Dude, I have said that before. You seem to believe anything about Singer. I don't know Steve. Have only visited SaveSuperman.com a few times....what are you talking about????



I'm sure you been to SaveSuperman.com more than you will admit it. Beside, you did reply to "Singer's Superman Sucks" blog & those folks are just hateful, homophobic trash. I saw your name on one of the blog there. :oldrazz:

[Showtime]

Because I love you, Showey :yay:

For some reason I'm not getting that vibe.

[I Am The Knight]

Sigh....I never expected anything at the Con, really, so I don't know why people are surprised about any lack of Superman news. Also, some people here need to relax it.

[Spider-Fan]

I'm fully expecting them to come out talking about the exciting new direction set out for Superman, saying all the mistakes from the past have been examined and we can look forward to a Superman for the 21st century.
In other words Singers gone, Routh's gone and we'll all forget Superman Returns ever happened (Just like The Hulk)

I am thinking this is a distinct possibility, though I am not ruling our Singer just yet.

Except that Mark Millar's director said that WB isn't listening to any reboot pitches.

When was this said? I haven't been here in several days. And did they ever say who his director was?

Sigh....I never expected anything at the Con, really, so I don't know why people are surprised about any lack of Superman news. Also, some people here need to relax it.

If this is supposed to be out by 2010, something about this should have been announced already. Even just saying Singer is back, but WB is not even confirming that.

[I Am The Knight]

If this is supposed to be out by 2010, something about this should have been announced already. Even just saying Singer is back, but WB is not even confirming that.

I know. I just never expected any announcement at the Con. Hell, I'm not really expecting anything at this point.

[Nixon]

^^^

Ditto. Luckily I've still got the comics for my Super-fix.

[Spider-Fan]

I know. I just never expected any announcement at the Con. Hell, I'm not really expecting anything at this point.

I am not expecting a Supes movie until 2012 by the earliest, either. Maybe not even by then.

[I Am The Knight]

I am not expecting a Supes movie until 2012 by the earliest, either. Maybe not even by then.

Could be. The way I see it, Supes has been in development hell since the late 80's, through the 90's and up to SR. The character hasn't been particularly lucky at the movies since the early 80's. Maybe it's back to that development hell period for the character... :gray:

[AragornKing1]

I am thinking this is a distinct possibility, though I am not ruling our Singer just yet.



When was this said? I haven't been here in several days. And did they ever say who his director was?



If this is supposed to be out by 2010, something about this should have been announced already. Even just saying Singer is back, but WB is not even confirming that.


Showtime had a quote from that recent long article that Millar had posted. It said that his director called him about a month ago and told him that WB "wasn't looking in particular." Does that mean not listening to any reboot pitches at all? I don't think so but that's my opinion. As for the director, no, no one knows who the director was. And Batman Begins, Superman Returns, and The Dark Knight's press releases were never announced at any Comic Con. Heck The Dark Knight was officillay announced on July 31st 2006, a few days after Comic Con 06. I wasn't expecting anything to be announced AT Comic Con this year either. They could have possibly announced something while Comic Con was going on, but I don't think that's ever happened before. So I think we should just wait until this week is over before we assume anything.

[Ita-KalEl]

I'm sure that after the mega success of Batman, someone will interview Horn or Robinov about the future. There'll be an interview at least before the end of the Summer. The bad thing is that IMO their priority is another Batman movie. I I'm starting to think that Superman will be considered again after the 2013...

[GreenKToo]

Wow. You can just feel the hope ebbing away here. Thats for a sequel OR a reboot. :(
I guess we can look forward to Plastic Man. Yay??

[AragornKing1]

I'm sure that after the mega success of Batman, someone will interview Horn or Robinov about the future. There'll be an interview at least before the end of the Summer. The bad thing is that IMO their priority is another Batman movie. I I'm starting to think that Superman will be considered again after the 2013...


Well no because they did say that they have "about six projects lined up at the starting gate." I assume that means that it's not just a Batman 3 that's a priority. Plus their meetings with DC.

[Krug3r]

This board couldn't be more boring

[Spider-Fan]

Wow. You can just feel the hope ebbing away here. Thats for a sequel OR a reboot. :(
I guess we can look forward to Plastic Man. Yay??

Yep. People are starting to realize that the Man of Steel's return to the big screen was very brief, and his next film may be heavily delayed.

I don't think we get a sequel or reboot for at least 5 more years. That is what I am thinking as of right now.

[Jochimus]

The bad thing is that IMO their priority is another Batman movie. I I'm starting to think that Superman will be considered again after the 2013...

...which at this point I'm not entirely sure is a bad thing.

Heck, they can always kick Smallville to the curb, wait a year or two, and then come out with a new TV series - new premise, new cast, etc. - like they have since Superboy ended. It would seem more productive to do that than to pour another several years and countless millions into trying to get another Superman movie going.

[FlawlessVictory]

Sigh....I never expected anything at the Con, really, so I don't know why people are surprised about any lack of Superman news. Also, some people here need to relax it.

I never really did either. People were speculating that some info would be leaked at the Con, that didn't happen. There was speculation that after TDK started breaking records at the BO, WB would throw a bone about a Superman film (the Singer sequel), and nothing.

So, what date are we targeting now for MOS news? TDK DVD release date? The opening weekend of BB3? :hehe:

[DIRECTOR]

The Fact That There Is No New News About Singer's Sequal Is An Indication That The Wb Is Not Quite Happy With How Singer Turned The Franchise Into........... What's The Right Word............ Oh Yeah............. Gloomy. That's The Right Word For It.

I'm Not Expecting Anything From This Franchise Until Say In 2010, A Expected Amount Of Years Between Something That Is Borring Crap To Something That Has A Chance Of Excellance (ex. Batman & Robin And Batman Begins)

[KobiKai]

The Fact That There Is No New News About Singer's Sequal Is An Indication That The Wb Is Not Quite Happy With How Singer Turned The Franchise Into........... What's The Right Word............ Oh Yeah............. Gloomy. That's The Right Word For It.

I'm Not Expecting Anything From This Franchise Until Say In 2010, A Expected Amount Of Years Between Something That Is Borring Crap To Something That Has A Chance Of Excellance (ex. Batman & Robin And Batman Begins)

IMO Batman & Robin was a better movie than Superman Returns, at least B&R knew it was a comic based movie plus there were some funny lines.

[AragornKing1]

IMO Batman & Robin was a better movie than Superman Returns, at least B&R knew it was a comic based movie plus there were some funny lines.


What? :huh::wow:


Wow guys, come on. Superman Returns wasn't great but it wasn't bad either. Heck, I think that Superman Returns is a little underrated.

[AragornKing1]

IMO Batman & Robin was a better movie than Superman Returns, at least B&R knew it was a comic based movie plus there were some funny lines.


I guess you thought that Batman and Robin was better than The Dark Knight too, huh? The Dark Knight is not like the typical comic book movie and is a lot more serious and darker than Superman Returns.

[KobiKai]

I guess you thought that Batman and Robin was better than The Dark Knight too, huh? The Dark Knight is not like the typical comic book movie and is a lot more serious and darker than Superman Returns.

No, TDK beats the **** out of B&R. My point was that even though it was crap the funny/cheesy scenes made it watchable, the same cannot be said about Superman Returns. Super Girl & Superman 3 were the same and also superior films to SR. Watching Helen Slater in that suit as a kid was quiet splendid :woot:
If you take a superhero movie the serious route you best have the storyline to back it up, Batman Begins & TDK are possibly the best SH movies ever

[cronosred]

My guess is that if we get a Superman movie anytime soon it will be a sequel but if the WB wants a reboot they will probably wait till all the legal stuff is settled.

[AragornKing1]

No, TDK beats the **** out of B&R. My point was that even though it was crap the funny/cheesy scenes made it watchable, the same cannot be said about Superman Returns. Super Girl & Superman 3 were the same and also superior films to SR. Watching Helen Slater in that suit as a kid was quiet splendid :woot:
If you take a superhero movie the serious route you best have the storyline to back it up, Batman Begins & TDK are possibly the best SH movies ever

Ha, no really campy and crappy comic book movie like Supergirl, Superman 3, and even Batman and Robin are superior to Superman Returns my friend. You must be smoking something, lol. The cheesy scenes from Batman and Robin are not funny or even watchable unless you're a little kid, high, or retarded. You hardcore Superman fans could not have been that disappointed in Superman Returns to say that Supergirl, Superman 3, and Batman and Robin were better movies. I mean...damn. :huh::wow:

[GreenKToo]

LOl. S.R. was far from perfect, i'd even say it disappointed me, but to say B&R, S:3 and that P.O.S. Supergirl are better causes me to shout out a big WTF.:wow:

[KobiKai]

Ha, no really campy and crappy comic book movie like Supergirl, Superman 3, and even Batman and Robin are superior to Superman Returns my friend. You must be smoking something, lol. The cheesy scenes from Batman and Robin are not funny or even watchable unless you're a little kid, high, or retarded. You hardcore Superman fans could not have been that disappointed in Superman Returns to say that Supergirl, Superman 3, and Batman and Robin were better movies. I mean...damn. :huh::wow:

I'm not a big fan of superman anyway but i'm not joking, this is my list for the main DC films

1. The Dark Knight
2. Batman Begins
3. Batman
4. Batman Returns
5. Superman 2
6. Superman 1
7. Batman Forever
8. Batman & Robin
9. Supergirl
10. Superman 3
11. Superman Returns
12. Superman 4

It only just beats Quest for peace :wow:

[Showtime]

Not a bad list at all.

[Ita-KalEl]

I'm not a big fan of superman anyway but i'm not joking, this is my list for the main DC films

1. The Dark Knight
2. Batman Begins
3. Batman
4. Batman Returns
5. Superman 2
6. Superman 1
7. Batman Forever
8. Batman & Robin
9. Supergirl
10. Superman 3
11. Superman Returns
12. Superman 4

It only just beats Quest for peace :wow:

This is a good list, but I would put SR after Batman Forever. IMO B&R, Superman 3, Supergirl and Superman 4 are worse.

[Superman-Prime]

The Fact That There Is No New News About Singer's Sequal Is An Indication That The Wb Is Not Quite Happy With How Singer Turned The Franchise Into........... What's The Right Word............ Oh Yeah............. Gloomy. That's The Right Word For It.

I'm Not Expecting Anything From This Franchise Until Say In 2010, A Expected Amount Of Years Between Something That Is Borring Crap To Something That Has A Chance Of Excellance (ex. Batman & Robin And Batman Begins)

Where Did That Information Comes From? Where? Prove It.

:whatever:

EDIT:

You know, I'm not going to come back until there is an confirmation for the sequel of Superman Returns. I'm getting tired of waiting too long and way long than I thought. Bryan Singer SHOULD'VE focus on the sequel instead of two stupid projects!!

[I Am The Knight]

Ha, no really campy and crappy comic book movie like Supergirl, Superman 3, and even Batman and Robin are superior to Superman Returns my friend. You must be smoking something, lol. The cheesy scenes from Batman and Robin are not funny or even watchable unless you're a little kid, high, or retarded. You hardcore Superman fans could not have been that disappointed in Superman Returns to say that Supergirl, Superman 3, and Batman and Robin were better movies. I mean...damn. :huh::wow:

Agreed. That, or a combination of all three.

[Astrodust]

I'm not a big fan of superman anyway but i'm not joking, this is my list for the main DC films

1. The Dark Knight
2. Batman Begins
3. Batman
4. Batman Returns
5. Superman 2
6. Superman 1
7. Batman Forever
8. Batman & Robin
9. Supergirl
10. Superman 3
11. Superman Returns
12. Superman 4

It only just beats Quest for peace :wow:

Superman 1 and 2 are up higher for me. The ending for Superman 1 is flawed so I can't rank it higher then TDK and Superman 2 had some flaws as well. I didn't care for Clark beating up the guy at the end and some of the super powers were kinda random. Multiple Supermen and cellaphane S. Though the first time I saw the cellaphane S I like it.

[Ita-KalEl]

Another SDCC is over and we are still here without a single official word about a new Superman movie (sequel or reboot).

The "good" thing is that at least the WB haven't said a word about any new project. So there is still a little hope that something will happen...

[wellsy]

Where Did That Information Comes From? Where? Prove It.

:whatever:

EDIT:

You know, I'm not going to come back until there is an confirmation for the sequel of Superman Returns. I'm getting tired of waiting too long and way long than I thought. Bryan Singer SHOULD'VE focus on the sequel instead of two stupid projects!!
But where's the fun in that, old boy? With no news on anything, all we've got to do is take to each other with cricket bats made of frozen stupid :cwink:.

A bit more on topic - why would they (WB) announce Man of Steel at ComiCon when precedent is against it?

Also, since Bryan Singer has moved on to post production for the (rediculously belated) Valkyrie, I think now is about the time news will start to flow.

Due to the announcement of Tron 2 the other day as well, I'd have wonder if WB is doing something like that (the cash cow of TDK means that they can no longer ignore Superman; if they can get another cash cow, then they'll be laughing).

[Ultimate_Superman]

So no news at comic-con either about a reboot or sequel???


Thats it I am done wondering about this movie.

[Ita-KalEl]

So no news at comic-con either about a reboot or sequel???


Thats it I am done wondering about this movie.

Yes it's sad, but at this point only a miracle would change the situation.
I'm sure that at WB they want to do another Superman movie, but it isn't a priority: now they have at least another Batman movie, The Hobbit, Terminator 4 and 2 Harry Potter movies. They will take all the time to have the right script and then they'll wait for the end of the legal controversy...

[Ultimate_Superman]

At this point I am more for a reboot then a sequel.

[Ita-KalEl]

At this point I am more for a reboot then a sequel.

Me too. Why I should wait 7-8 years for a sequel.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I mean don't get me wrong I thought Superman Returns was a good movie and a nice close to the Donner movies and a good start to Singer's Superman but it is taking to long for a sequel to happen and as I said before I feel the sequel should take place no later then a month after the events of Returns. That way Superman doesn't look bad but not telling Lois he is really Clark Kent 2 years after the fact that they have a child. And I now don't see how that could happen with out recasting Jason.

As I have said I think SR was a good movie but if we don't hear any news by Sept I think it is time for a reboot and just move on from there. And I am sorry I don't think Superman should be rebooted with Justice League I think he should get his own movie first.

[Nixon]

They could, if they want, hit the ground running and catch viewers up on the go with the new status quo for Superman, Lois and Jason.

[Showtime]

You wouldn't be waiting years for a sequel, if it isn't happening for at least 2010, it isn't isn't happening. I mean that would already be a 4 year space in between films.

[I Am The Knight]

You wouldn't be waiting years for a sequel, if it isn't happening for at least 2010, it isn't isn't happening. I mean that would already be a 4 year space in between films.

Agreed.

[Showtime]

Nothing mentioned at SDCC in regards to any of their comic book properties is indeed curious, especially after the success of Dark Knight. Today would even be a fitting time for them to discuss slate after another unbelievable weekend by Dark Knight.

[Showtime]

I thought this was interesting...

http://www.reelzchannel.com/movie-news/1767/goyer-warner-bros-reevaluating-green-arrow-movie

With Batman currently the box office's reigning comic book hero, thoughts turn to the big screen prospects of other titles in the DC Comics library. One character eagerly awaiting his shot is Green Arrow, the acerbic Robin Hood of the DC universe, whose vehicle Super Max is one of Hollywood's longer-gestating projects.

Pressed for an update on the film at Comic-Con, Super Max writer/director David Goyer, who was in San Diego to promote his upcoming horror flick Unborn, stated that Warner Bros. is now "reevaluating" the project. Iron Man and The Dark Knight have "changed the landscape" of superhero movies, he noted, and now Warner Bros. is re-thinking how they approach the DC-based titles in their stable of upcoming flicks.

Of course, "reevaluating" could mean anything from simply re-tooling the script to shelving the project entirely. In this case, it's more likely the former, as Goyer remains hopeful that the project will move forward within a year.

[Nixon]

Well, that's something . . .

[Ita-KalEl]

I thought this was interesting...

http://www.reelzchannel.com/movie-news/1767/goyer-warner-bros-reevaluating-green-arrow-movie

Some speculations:

1) Iron Man and TDK= minor character and Batman. At WB they could invest in a secondary character like Flash and, of course, in Batman. Superman isn't part of the project.

2) Iron Man= Avenger Project. They can see the opportunity to link all their sh franchises and then launch a JLA movie. Superman could be part of the project.

3) Iron Man+TDK= sh movies=$$$$$ so they'll invest in all their SH franchises, Superman included.

[GreenKToo]

W.B. clearly hasn't learned that by keeping YOUR CORE FAN BASES updated, you build buzz. Just look at how marvel treats the fans of their properties.
I mean really, how hard is it to give a little update every now and then.

[Nightwing1977]

IMO Batman & Robin was a better movie than Superman Returns, at least B&R knew it was a comic based movie plus there were some funny lines.

Hating SR is one thing, but prefering "Batman & Robin" over SR?!? That is dumb & you lost all credibility with naming the worst superhero film over SR. SR at least wasn't campy, didn't have nipples on the costume, no silly sound effects, weak one liners, etc. How people like B&R just amaze me. Not to mention prefering the awful Supergirl film is sad as well. :down

[RavenX]

heh......I'm still waiting for my Daredevil sequel.........how many years has THAT been? like 5?

[Ita-KalEl]

heh......I'm still waiting for my Daredevil sequel.........how many years has THAT been? like 5?

Daredevil's sequel was killed by Affleck and mainly by its spin-off Elektra.

[RavenX]

I actually quite liked Affleck in Daredevil....but that's just me....

The Elektra movie...otoh....was not good.........:(

[Retroman]

Noel Neill aka Mrs. Vanderworth spoke at Comic Con.

posted 07-29-2008 11:54 AM

SDCC: SPOTLIGHT ON NOEL NEILL
BY KEITH LEE
It was standing room only last Thursday at Comic-Con International as many people were eager to help Noel Neill celebrate her 60th anniversary as the first person to portray Superman's girl friend on the movie screen, Lois Lane. Neill happily answered questions about her life as one of the world's most famous fictional reporters.

At the beginning of the panel, attendees were treated to a short DVD, "The Adventures of Noel Neill," which was created by John Field. In my opinion it showed Neill and others who worked on The Adventures of Superman as consummate professionals, who gave their all for this series. It was a comic take off and a "thank you" to Neill for her long years as the world's best known fictional female reporter.

After that video, the panel was opened up to a Question and Answer session between Neill and the audience.

QUESTION: Why isn't she in the "Smallville" series?

ANSWER: She doesn't know why. No one has asked her.

QUESTION: How did you get into acting?

ANSWER: She was asked to sing back when Bing Crosby owned the Del Mar Race Track. Someone in the movies saw her and the rest is history. Afterwards, she signed a contract with Columbia and found herself in the Superman movie with Kirk Alyn.

QUESTION: Why did she take over the role of Lois Lane from Phyllis Coates on the TV series?

ANSWER: As far as she knew, Phyllis left due to her not liking the show. Noel stated that she performed with Phyllis in some movies and knew of her.

Noel was called by Columbia to take over the Lois Lane role in the second season of Superman. She was very happy to work and accepted the job immediately.

QUESTION: Since Noel set the bar for the Lois Lane character, would she like to see the character played a certain way?

ANSWER: She doesn't understand Hollywood's take on the character since in the last Superman movie, they wrote Lois Lane as an unmarried mother.


QUESTION: What is your favorite story of George Reeves?

ANSWER: He was always a kind, thoughtful professional who loved to play practical jokes on them before a scene. In fact, that is why Jack Larson, the actor who played Jimmy Olsen, had this strange look on his face in some scenes. He was trying not to laugh at George's antics, before their scenes together.


QUESTION: Did she ever have any interest in the Superman comics?

ANSWER: Not until she was offered the role in the 1948 movie serial. Then, she went out and bought a comic book to do research on the Lois Lane character.

QUESTION: Is it true that you went on a musical tour with George Reeves?

ANSWER: Yes, George put all the money and people together for an off-work tour. Unfortunately, it only lasted one day since there were only three people in the audience on that day.

QUESTION: Did you inspire women with your portrayal of Lois Lane?

ANSWER: Yes, she has been told by women at college talks that she inspired a lot of them to go into journalism.

QUESTION: What was it like working on the TV show?

ANSWER: She remembered how George Reeves stood up for her when she first started. She also remembers how John Hamilton would use cue cards on his desk to remember his lines. The others had to learn their lines that day; therefore, they had to work very hard per show. She and Jack Larson were only paid $125.00 per week.

QUESTION: Why is the Superman show still popular? Where is the innocent entertainment for the family?

ANSWER: She wishes there were more shows like Superman too. She doesn't understand why Hollywood doesn't make more shows like it.


QUESTION: Please compare Kirk Alyn and George Reeves.

ANSWER: While both were very nice, professional men, George was a better actor, while Kirk came out of the New York Ballet.

With that, the panel broke up to a standing ovation for Miss Neill.Source: http://www.comicon.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/36/t/007359.html

[Showtime]

I believe she also had a similar comment in a previous interview.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Shame... the sequel seems to be going nowhere...


I say 'Reboot with the Routh!!!'

[charl_huntress]

I say 'Reboot with the Routh!!!'

You know, I have been wanting to post this blind item I found about Singer/Routh, but I can't. However, that blind item seems to be true. And, if it appears to be true then I may have to consider my opinion on the rumors in the gossip. Again, I can't post it here because it's so inflammatory. Yet, I think it's true.

Since I don't know if it is true, all I will say is if it is true then without Singer....there will be no Routh!!!!!

[Showtime]

Gee...I wonder where you got said info...

[charl_huntress]

Gee...I wonder where you got said info...

Well Showey, I got this info a LONG TIME AGO on a blind site web site devoted to solving blind items.

I'm not saying it's relevant, but I have found that a lot of blilnd items on that site are kind of true. That's why I mentioned it. However, if you would like to review the site or know which site I am speaking of.....PM me :woot:

[Showtime]

Well Showey, I got this info a LONG TIME AGO on a blind site web site devoted to solving blind items.

I'm not saying it's relevant, but I have found that a lot of blilnd items on that site are kind of true. That's why I mentioned it. However, if you would like to review the site or know which site I am speaking of.....PM me :woot:

I'm not much on gossip...but thanks.

In regards to a reboot, if there is one, there is NO WAY Routh is involved.

[charl_huntress]

I'm not much on gossip...but thanks.

In regards to a reboot, if there is one, there is NO WAY Routh is involved.

Don't think I mentioned that, but I agree on that point if there is a reboot. Matter of fact, I don't want to see Routh involved with a reboot at all. He is the BSinger Superman....not really the real Superman for me anwyays since he was in SR to begin with.

Any reboot would do well to leave him out.......


WE AGREE.....HOW LOVELY.

[Showtime]

Don't think I mentioned that, but I agree on that point if there is a reboot. Matter of fact, I don't want to see Routh involved with a reboot at all. He is the BSinger Superman....not really the real Superman for me anwyays since he was in SR to begin with.

Any reboot would do well to leave him out.......


WE AGREE.....HOW LOVELY.

You were replying with your "blind site" quote to somebody exclaiming, "Reboot with Routh!"

[charl_huntress]

You were replying with your "blind site" quote to somebody exclaiming, "Reboot with Routh!"

Yes I was, Showey.

Here is my quote.

You know, I have been wanting to post this blind item I found about Singer/Routh, but I can't. However, that blind item seems to be true. And, if it appears to be true then I may have to consider my opinion on the rumors in the gossip. Again, I can't post it here because it's so inflammatory. Yet, I think it's true.

I won't say where this BI is from, but I am saying if it is true then there is will be no Singer/Routh collaboration.

Since I don't know if it is true, all I will say is if it is true then without Singer....there will be no Routh!!!!!

I agree :woot:

[Pickle-El]

Bring back Routh...Bring back Singer...sequel, yay. All that good stuff....etc.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Heres some food for thought, could TDK's massive success have damaged the chances of a sequel to SR? I mean everybody loves Batman's new take and aren't clamoring for Tim Burton's version of Batman to return. It's obvious that people really dug Batman Begins but Superman Returns, dispite making a tad more than BB, was not nearly as well recieved.

Could WB now be thinking that people can accept different interpretation of their characters? Could they be thinking that people actually really dig different interpretations of their characters so they don't have to copy the last directors work in order to get the big bucks?

Just something I've been thinking about for a few days.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Bring back Routh...Bring back Singer...sequel, yay. All that good stuff....etc.

I wish that was happening, but at this point, my hope is all but spent, i just cant see it happening, with the idiots over there at WB not having a single clue between them, other than Batman, the future for DC characters on screen is looking bleak IMO.

[Retroman]

I believe she also had a similar comment in a previous interview.
She did? Interesting.
Heres some food for thought, could TDK's massive success have damaged the chances of a sequel to SR? I mean everybody loves Batman's new take and aren't clamoring for Tim Burton's version of Batman to return. It's obvious that people really dug Batman Begins but Superman Returns, dispite making a tad more than BB, was not nearly as well recieved.

Could WB now be thinking that people can accept different interpretation of their characters? Could they be thinking that people actually really dig different interpretations of their characters so they don't have to copy the last directors work in order to get the big bucks?

Just something I've been thinking about for a few days.
If only we knew what the heck WB is thinking.:(

[Superman-Prime]

Superman is in dear need of a total reboot, and yes ROUTH/SINGER should both be fired!

I don't honestly think Routh will ever play Superman on the big screen again.

So, you're saying that Brandon Routh should be fired?

Yeah, whatever. :whatever:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^I'm saying it too because I want a do over without any ties to Singer's version of the character.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I'm saying it too because I want a do over without any ties to Singer's version of the character.

Let me guess by your avatar you want a re-boot with Welling. Pppsssshhhh, typical Smallville Fan Girl!









































































:cwink:

[Spider-Fan]

Heres some food for thought, could TDK's massive success have damaged the chances of a sequel to SR? I mean everybody loves Batman's new take and aren't clamoring for Tim Burton's version of Batman to return. It's obvious that people really dug Batman Begins but Superman Returns, dispite making a tad more than BB, was not nearly as well recieved.

Could WB now be thinking that people can accept different interpretation of their characters? Could they be thinking that people actually really dig different interpretations of their characters so they don't have to copy the last directors work in order to get the big bucks?

Just something I've been thinking about for a few days.

I've been thinking this for a while. When BB came out, I knew few people who were anything but enthusiastic about it. With SR, I find some who love it, some who hate it (me), and a vast majority that just didn't care either way.

BB was clearly well recieved, and is showing in TDK's BO. I don't think a Superman sequel would get this kind of result, thus WB really is stuck in a tough place. I say wait 3 years, and then look to do a reboot with a new creative team (that is in no way connected to the Donner-verse). That way, we would get a reboot about 10 years after SR, which is about how long it took between B&R and BB.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I've been thinking this for a while. When BB came out, I knew few people who were anything but enthusiastic about it. With SR, I find some who love it, some who hate it (me), and a vast majority that just didn't care either way.

BB was clearly well recieved, and is showing in TDK's BO. I don't think a Superman sequel would get this kind of result, thus WB really is stuck in a tough place. I say wait 3 years, and then look to do a reboot with a new creative team (that is in no way connected to the Donner-verse). That way, we would get a reboot about 10 years after SR, which is about how long it took between B&R and BB.

I know this will sound like a typical defenders argument, but i actually know no one who thought SR was a bad movie, worst comment i have is that it was 'alright' by a couple of people, thats it. All the others loved it. Saying that, they all thought BB was better (me included), but i see no reason why MOS, with the right marketing, couldnt be a huge success for WB.

[hippie_hunter]

Heres some food for thought, could TDK's massive success have damaged the chances of a sequel to SR? I mean everybody loves Batman's new take and aren't clamoring for Tim Burton's version of Batman to return. It's obvious that people really dug Batman Begins but Superman Returns, dispite making a tad more than BB, was not nearly as well recieved.

Could WB now be thinking that people can accept different interpretation of their characters? Could they be thinking that people actually really dig different interpretations of their characters so they don't have to copy the last directors work in order to get the big bucks?

Just something I've been thinking about for a few days.

If anything though I think that the Dark Knight will help the Man of Steel move forward faster.

Thanks to the Dark Knight and very probably Watchmen, the DC brand can become on par with Marvel's brand in movies, if not better due to Batman Begins, the Dark Knight, Superman Returns, and V for Vendetta under its belt. Warner Bros would probably want to capitalize on this with more movies starring Superman, Green Lantern, Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Arrow, etc..

Thanks to the Dark Knight, it has been proven that a major comic book character that is not Spider-Man can make massive money very quickly. Again, something Warner Bros. would want to capitalize with Superman, a major comic book character on par with Batman and Spider-Man in terms of recognition.

Thanks to the Dark Knight, Warner Bros has most likely learned how to properly advertise and time a movie. The Dark Knight had a phenomenal advertising campaign and it had perfect timing (practically no competition). Both Batman Begins and Superman Returns' advertising campaign were nowhere near near on par with the Dark Knights' (or even Iron Man's) advertising. Plus they were hindered by heavy competition (War of the Worlds and Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest). If they apply that to Superman, they can certainly mimic a certain degree of the Dark Knight's success onto the Man of Steel.

And in order to capitalize on it, they need to do this fast for a 2010 release date. The only way that this can happen is with a sequel. Man of Steel already has a director and people working on a script. It has the actors onboard. With a reboot you'd have to think about what direction to take, hire a new director, new screenwriters, new cast, etc. Reboots also take longer to make than a sequel. It took 8 years to reboot Batman. And 19 years for Warner Bros. to give up rebooting Superman and go with Bryan Singer's take. Now before someone brings up the Incredible Hulk, it was originally designed to be a sequel until Edward Norton came onboard. Also reboots aren't guaranteed to be the massive success that some would like to think. The Hulk reboot brought in the same amount of money as the last Hulk movie and the Punisher reboot will be a total disaster. Also, Warner Bros. had already spent hundreds of millions of dollars to reboot Superman with absolutely no results.

[Spider-Fan]

I know this will sound like a typical defenders argument, but i actually know no one who thought SR was a bad movie, worst comment i have is that it was 'alright' by a couple of people, thats it. All the others loved it. Saying that, they all thought BB was better (me included), but i see no reason why MOS, with the right marketing, couldnt be a huge success for WB.

I am on the opposite side here. When I referred to reception of mass numbers, I reffered to on here. This movie had a divided reception, BB had an almost unanimous reception.

However, amongst friends and family, I know 6 people (other than me) who saw it (the other people I know didn't care to see it). Of the 6, 1 guy liked it. The other 5 hated it. So, we have observed opposing reactions personally.

[hippie_hunter]

I had pretty much a split reception. I and my friends liked it. My dad hated it. My mom was confused by it because she can't grasp on the concept of continuity.

[SuperDaniel]

It`s not that a reboot is the cause for these movies to be a disaster. A Superman reboot written bu JJ abrams or Tim Burton would`ve been disasters too.

Hulk, IMO, is not that interesting as Superman is. You cant make a Hulk movie the best thing on the world. The character isn`t as good, IMO, as Superman, Batman, Spider-man or X-men, etc, so people didnt expect the movie to be that good or anything beyond fun entertainment.

I want a reboot done right. Like Batman Begins. Faithful to the character, the comics and putting their own spin into it.

[Spider-Fan]

It`s not that a reboot is the cause for these movies to be a disaster. A Superman reboot written bu JJ abrams or Tim Burton would`ve been disasters too.

Hulk, IMO, is not that interesting as Superman is. You cant make a Hulk movie the best thing on the world. The character isn`t as good, IMO, as Superman, Batman, Spider-man or X-men, etc, so people didnt expect the movie to be that good or anything beyond fun entertainment.

I want a reboot done right. Like Batman Begins. Faithful to the character, the comics and putting their own spin into it.

This is what I want also. That's why I want WB to wait several years before trying to do a Superman reboot. Don't rush into a reboot. Wait, and then try again.

[SuperDaniel]

I`ll be happy with more animated movies and Smallville(yuck!) for a while. And i can watch DArk Knight as much as i want.

Superman should be taken a break and wait till the rights are away from WB. Maybe then we can get a great Superman movie...

[hippie_hunter]

It`s not that a reboot is the cause for these movies to be a disaster. A Superman reboot written bu JJ abrams or Tim Burton would`ve been disasters too.
True.

Hulk, IMO, is not that interesting as Superman is. You cant make a Hulk movie the best thing on the world. The character isn`t as good, IMO, as Superman, Batman, Spider-man or X-men, etc, so people didnt expect the movie to be that good or anything beyond fun entertainment.
I agree with you there, but some people act like a reboot is guaranteed to give Superman success that Batman is experiencing. The Man of Steel can gather the success The Dark Knight is achieving also.

However in reality a reboot or a sequel will probably make at least $100 million more than Superman Returns if made and advertised properly. Chances of mimicking the Dark Knight's success is very slim.

I want a reboot done right. Like Batman Begins. Faithful to the character, the comics and putting their own spin into it.
Superman Returns was actually faithful to the character of Superman. A particular interpretation of it, but still faithful.

It is also faithful to the comics thanks to Geoff Johns. Krypton is similar to the Donner version. Zod is now the exact same character as the Donner version. Lex Luthor is a full blow criminal like the movie version. And stylistically Superman Returns and the comics are very similiar now.

And Singer has stated that he will be bringing his own spin onto Superman with Man of Steel.

[SuperDaniel]

LOL. I don't think SR was faithful to the character of Superman AT ALL, specially his motivations and reasons for leaving EARTH or not saying goodbye to Lois. Lois wasn't the character from the comics at all. There was no spunk, no chemistry with Superman. Nothing.

Lex Luthor was a joke in the movie with his one liners and looking for land. THat is just the WORST interpretation of the character.

In the comics he is probably very smart, a scientist and a great criminial. Not someone who hangs around with stupid thugs and whores like Kitty.

SR was faithful to Superman the movie and that`s it, for me.

[SatEL]

LOL. I don't think SR was faithful to the character of Superman AT ALL, specially his motivations and reasons for leaving EARTH or not saying goodbye to Lois. Lois wasn't the character from the comics at all. There was no spunk, no chemistry with Superman. Nothing.

Lex Luthor was a joke in the movie with his one liners and looking for land. THat is just the WORST interpretation of the character.

In the comics he is probably very smart, a scientist and a great criminial. Not someone who hangs around with stupid thugs and whores like Kitty.

SR was faithful to Superman the movie and that`s it, for me.

It even fails at that.

[Anita18]

I agree with you there, but some people act like a reboot is guaranteed to give Superman success that Batman is experiencing. The Man of Steel can gather the success The Dark Knight is achieving also.
It can, but IMO it would be more difficult. TDK can stand on its own, pretty much. Some people might ask why there isn't a Batcave that's an actual cave, but it isn't a serious deviation from the character and beyond that, everything you need to know to accept TDK's plot is in that film.

For MOS, the viewer would have to understand that Jason is Superman's son, and that has a factor in constricting it. It'd depend on how they approach it, though.

Thanks to the Dark Knight, Warner Bros has most likely learned how to properly advertise and time a movie. The Dark Knight had a phenomenal advertising campaign and it had perfect timing (practically no competition).
TDK also had the anomaly of having one of its stars die unexpectedly before release. We will never know for sure, but I bet the mainstream advertising had to be retooled at least a little. The infotainment TV media also did TDK a huge favor advertising-wise by re-running the trailer nonstop while talking about Ledger in January. Who knows how much that affected awareness, since it WAS awareness but 6 entire months before the film came out. There are people who went to see TDK mostly for Ledger, and others who watched the movie not knowing it was Ledger on screen.

But anyway, I guess my point is you can't directly apply TDK's advertising formula and stick it onto every other comic book movie, because the circumstances are always different. Although having really kickass trailers, posters, TV spots, and a viral marketing game probably doesn't hurt. :oldrazz:

[SatEL]

It can, but IMO it would be more difficult. TDK can stand on its own, pretty much. Some people might ask why there isn't a Batcave that's an actual cave, but it isn't a serious deviation from the character and beyond that, everything you need to know to accept TDK's plot is in that film.

For MOS, the viewer would have to understand that Jason is Superman's son, and that has a factor in constricting it. It'd depend on how they approach it, though.


TDK also had the anomaly of having one of its stars die unexpectedly before release. We will never know for sure, but I bet the mainstream advertising had to be retooled at least a little. The infotainment TV media also did TDK a huge favor advertising-wise by re-running the trailer nonstop while talking about Ledger in January. Who knows how much that affected awareness, since it WAS awareness but 6 entire months before the film came out. There are people who went to see TDK mostly for Ledger, and others who watched the movie not knowing it was Ledger on screen.

But anyway, I guess my point is you can't directly apply TDK's advertising formula and stick it onto every other comic book movie, because the circumstances are always different. Although having really kickass trailers, posters, TV spots, and a viral marketing game probably doesn't hurt. :oldrazz:

Dont forget the united fanbase who had a small part in it all, I think that's going to be the driving force of Watchmen as well.

[SuperDaniel]

It even fails at that.

Yeah...it didnt have the magic at all.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

LOL. I don't think SR was faithful to the character of Superman AT ALL, specially his motivations and reasons for leaving EARTH or not saying goodbye to Lois. Lois wasn't the character from the comics at all. There was no spunk, no chemistry with Superman. Nothing.

Lex Luthor was a joke in the movie with his one liners and looking for land. THat is just the WORST interpretation of the character.

In the comics he is probably very smart, a scientist and a great criminial. Not someone who hangs around with stupid thugs and whores like Kitty.

SR was faithful to Superman the movie and that`s it, for me.

Come on, it was more faithful than that, Superman's reasons for leaving Earth were spot on, Superman has always been proud of his heritage, and to find out that Krypton was possibly still there, or heck, that even his real parent's were alive is more than enough motivation for ANY incarnation of Superman to leave, he has left for less in the comics.

As for not saying goodbye to Lois, i think its understandable, i really do, i would hate to see a loved one in pain on account of my actions, Superman was no different.

What people fail to forget about Lois is that she is a mother now, having a child changes people, sometimes DRASTICALLY, i have known plenty of people who were wild and crazy but then had kids, and TOTALLY changed. Besides, she showed plenty of spunk in the boat scene with Lex IMO.

While the land idea wasnt accurate to the Lex of today, his actions were, overly confident, sure of success, and turned into a complete bastard when Superman came onto the scene, i thought the Lex in the 3rd act was superb.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

You know, I have been wanting to post this blind item I found about Singer/Routh, but I can't. However, that blind item seems to be true. And, if it appears to be true then I may have to consider my opinion on the rumors in the gossip. Again, I can't post it here because it's so inflammatory. Yet, I think it's true.

Since I don't know if it is true, all I will say is if it is true then without Singer....there will be no Routh!!!!!

Let me guess, the blind item is that Singer and Routh were an item, or had gay sex or some other such bullcrap.

Heard it a long time ago, its obviously bull, if thats the one you are referring too.

[Anita18]

Dont forget the united fanbase who had a small part in it all, I think that's going to be the driving force of Watchmen as well.
Hard to say. My friend was at Comic Con before Snakes on a Plane opened, and the panel for that film was standing-room only. And it showed us exactly how much Internet hype adds to a film - about $5 million. :oldrazz:

TDK has a higher re-watchability factor, and good Internet hype certainly doesn't hurt, but the hardcore fanbase can only add so much. What's really keeping TDK going is the general public's reaction to it. It's almost frightening how people mention it in everyday life. I was at Jiffy Lube the other day, and someone else in the waiting room asked if we had seen the new Batman movie, after a plot synopsis showed up on the TV program. The guy had seen it twice and he wasn't even aware that it was Ledger on screen the first time he saw it.

As for not saying goodbye to Lois, i think its understandable, i really do, i would hate to see a loved one in pain on account of my actions, Superman was no different.
I personally found Supes' reasoning for not saying goodbye to Lois seriously lame. And I'm supposed to be the demographic which eats this up. :oldrazz:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I agree Jamon, I think it's time we put that, Routh is really Singer's lover thing, out to pasture.

Routh is a married man and there is absolutely no proof that he is gay or that there was a "casting couch" scenerio. Thats just juvenile messageboard thinking.

If that isn't what CH is hinting at, I apologize.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Hard to say. My friend was at Comic Con before Snakes on a Plane opened, and the panel for that film was standing-room only. And it showed us exactly how much Internet hype adds to a film - about $5 million. :oldrazz:

TDK has a higher re-watchability factor, and good Internet hype certainly doesn't hurt, but the hardcore fanbase can only add so much. What's really keeping TDK going is the general public's reaction to it. It's almost frightening how people mention it in everyday life. I was at Jiffy Lube the other day, and someone else in the waiting room asked if we had seen the new Batman movie, after a plot synopsis showed up on the TV program. The guy had seen it twice and he wasn't even aware that it was Ledger on screen the first time he saw it.


I personally found Supes' reasoning for not saying goodbye to Lois seriously lame. And I'm supposed to be the demographic which eats this up. :oldrazz:

Fair enough :woot:.

I agree Jamon, I think it's time we put that, Routh is really Singer's lover thing, out to pasture.

Routh is a married man and there is absolutely no proof that he is gay or that there was a "casting couch" scenerio. Thats just juvenile messageboard thinking.

If that isn't what CH is hinting at, I apologize.

Well said ISS, its a stupid and childish rumour anyway. And yes, if i'm am wrong in my assumptions CH, i apologise.

[hippie_hunter]

LOL. I don't think SR was faithful to the character of Superman AT ALL, specially his motivations and reasons for leaving EARTH or not saying goodbye to Lois. Lois wasn't the character from the comics at all. There was no spunk, no chemistry with Superman. Nothing.
The Superman of Superman Returns was very faithful to the Donner interpretations of Superman. This is a Superman who is very human inside, fallible, and makes mistakes like leaving Earth. He didn't say good bye to Lois because he couldn't bear to do so. And it also keeps to the core of the Superman of the comics. Very human inside even though he isn't. He protects the entire world even though he is based in Metropolis. Deep down he is a good person wanting to do good. Very powerful. Raised by the Kents. Etc.

Though I do agree that Lois' character was rather lacking in the script.

Lex Luthor was a joke in the movie with his one liners and looking for land. THat is just the WORST interpretation of the character.
The Lex Luthor of Superman Returns is again the same Lex Luthor of the Donner films. That version of Lex was motivated by real estate. His crimes in both Superman the Movie and Superman II were motivated by land.

In the comics he is probably very smart, a scientist and a great criminial. Not someone who hangs around with stupid thugs and whores like Kitty.
Lex in the comics lately has been acting more like a typical criminal who hangs around with stupid thugs like Bizarro and Parasite.[/quote]

It even fails at that.
Ummm...what :dry:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Agreed with all of this, SR wasnt any more unfaithful than other CB movie adaptations have been, yet all of the others get a free pass for some reason, when SR doesnt.

[hippie_hunter]

^Agreed with all of this, SR wasnt any more unfaithful than other CB movie adaptations have been, yet all of the others get a free pass for some reason, when SR doesnt.

I know, there is no such thing as a 100% comic book adaptation. Unless of course it's a Zack Snyder movie, Batman Begins and the Dark Knight free passes. The first two Spider-Man movies get free passes. Iron Man gets a free pass. But you have people complaining about Superman Returns doing the exact same thing *****ing about it :huh:

[SatEL]

I agree Jamon, I think it's time we put that, Routh is really Singer's lover thing, out to pasture.

Routh is a married man and there is absolutely no proof that he is gay or that there was a "casting couch" scenerio. Thats just juvenile messageboard thinking.

If that isn't what CH is hinting at, I apologize.


:huh:Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh dont really want to get into this but lots of gay men get married and some even have kids, until one day the wife sees her husband pounding Enrique the pool boy in way's she thought were reserved for her. Although with that said Routh doesnt seem like the gay type to me but hey of topic anyway back on topic SR sucked lets make way for a reboot.:yay:

[SatEL]

Ummm...what :dry:
It even fails at that.:yay:

[Anita18]

I know, there is no such thing as a 100% comic book adaptation. Unless of course it's a Zack Snyder movie, Batman Begins and the Dark Knight free passes. The first two Spider-Man movies get free passes. Iron Man gets a free pass. But you have people complaining about Superman Returns doing the exact same thing *****ing about it :huh:
Of course we won't ever get an 100% accurate comic book film adaptation of anything. It's impossible, because of the constraints of the medium.

I think what some people (including me) took issue with was that the characters in SR didn't match up to the basic tenets of the characters they were based on.

Superman not telling Lois about his departure was, in my opinion, downright irresponsible. Lex's land grab scheme was not intelligent.

I'm not terribly familiar with the comics history of either character, but Supes is known as the Big Blue Boy Scout. He's always supposed to do the right thing. And Lex, well, I thought Lex was supposed to be a smart villain. How else could he go toe-to-toe with the most powerful being on earth? :oldrazz:

I can see how people could take issue with how Bruce Wayne was handled in BB or how Joker was not bleached in TDK, but neither change watered down what the essence of each character was. Bruce Wayne still became a well-trained, hard-working vigilante inspired by his parents' murders despite the fact that he had to be shown the path instead of forging it himself, and Joker is still (in his own words) an "agent of chaos."

[Max Newlander]

Lets face facts here, Superman Returns was a failure. There is no other way to spin it. It wasn't good enough from start to end. The character of Superman in Returns was NOT the character I grew up with.

The fact that 20 years after the last release there should have been and probably was a MASSIVE appetite for a new Superman movie. $200m after a gazillion weeks in release playing to about 3 cinema's in the end is a million miles away from being successful for such an iconic character, especially when Spider-man is swinging his way to $300-400m everytime he graces the silver screen.

Singer missed the boat. The fact that so many fans HATE the film is hard evidence. Fair play many liked it, but not enough. It failed at the box Office cos nobody wanted to see it twice and the word of mouth was anything other than positive. Most people I know didn't like it, they REALLY wanted to, but couldn't bring themselves to see past the mess it was.

Batman Begins was top drawer in everyway, hence it has pretty much universal agreement that everyone thought it was excellent. Matching a new Superman at the Box Office so soon after the truely vile B&R is unbelievable, or just another fact that proves Superman Returns was a dud. The Dark Knight is reaping the rewards of Begins being so good, people had/have faith that TDK was going to kick ass thanks to the quality of its predecessor . This is of course something a Superman sequel can't rely on.

If Warners had ANY kind of faith in Returns and Singer then Brian and Warner Bro's would be going full steam into Man of Steel. It made the same money as Batman Begins, and that movie got the green light to a sequel pretty much straight away. Why are they not showing that same commitment to Singer and a Superman sequel..?!...oh because they know it was a steaming pile of s**t that very few loved.

Wait 10 years then give it to another director and try again, maybe Nolan will be free by then.....

[BMM]

...maybe Nolan will be free by then.....

That is a terrible idea.

[Max Newlander]

That is a terrible idea.

It was said in tongue and cheek, what I meant was that Batman has a director that has made The Dark Knight franchise a critic and box office success, Superman just needs to find his.

[MovieGeekFreak]

what they say at CC?

[GreenKToo]

nothing at all.:(

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I know, there is no such thing as a 100% comic book adaptation. Unless of course it's a Zack Snyder movie, Batman Begins and the Dark Knight free passes. The first two Spider-Man movies get free passes. Iron Man gets a free pass. But you have people complaining about Superman Returns doing the exact same thing *****ing about it :huh:

Exactly, all of the most highly praised CB were just as unfaithful as SR yet you people praising them, yet criticising SR, i just dont get it, i really dont.

Of course we won't ever get an 100% accurate comic book film adaptation of anything. It's impossible, because of the constraints of the medium.

I think what some people (including me) took issue with was that the characters in SR didn't match up to the basic tenets of the characters they were based on.

Superman not telling Lois about his departure was, in my opinion, downright irresponsible. Lex's land grab scheme was not intelligent.

I'm not terribly familiar with the comics history of either character, but Supes is known as the Big Blue Boy Scout. He's always supposed to do the right thing. And Lex, well, I thought Lex was supposed to be a smart villain. How else could he go toe-to-toe with the most powerful being on earth? :oldrazz:

I can see how people could take issue with how Bruce Wayne was handled in BB or how Joker was not bleached in TDK, but neither change watered down what the essence of each character was. Bruce Wayne still became a well-trained, hard-working vigilante inspired by his parents' murders despite the fact that he had to be shown the path instead of forging it himself, and Joker is still (in his own words) an "agent of chaos."

But if you read the comics you would realise that Superman can and HAS made mistakes, many of them in the past, he endangered the world in For Tomorrow by activating a device that made 1 million people dissapear when it was previously activated and Superman had NO idea it would do the same again. What he did was such a risk that Wonder Woman went to the fortress of solitude with a magic sword with the intention of stopping Superman by ANY means necessary, this lead to them destroying the fortress in the ensuing fight.

I could name many, MANY more similar things he has done in the comics, so he can make mistakes. Yet the one's he makes in SR are somehow worse? Come on.

[Anita18]

But if you read the comics you would realise that Superman can and HAS made mistakes, many of them in the past, he endangered the world in For Tomorrow by activating a device that made 1 million people dissapear when it was previously activated and Superman had NO idea it would do the same again. What he did was such a risk that Wonder Woman went to the fortress of solitude with a magic sword with the intention of stopping Superman by ANY means necessary, this lead to them destroying the fortress in the ensuing fight.

I could name many, MANY more similar things he has done in the comics, so he can make mistakes. Yet the one's he makes in SR are somehow worse? Come on.
Accidental mistakes are fine. He isn't an all-knowing being. It's impossible for him to know everything. I did read Kingdom Come and found that to be a powerful Superman story, because he's trying his darnedest to do the right thing, but he just doesn't know what it is.

Not telling Lois he was leaving is not a mistake. He made a conscious decision not to. That was irresponsible. Unless he just forgot about her, in which case he shouldn't be surprised that she tried to forget about him and moved on accordingly. :oldrazz: But there's no indication in the film that he felt that way, otherwise his explanation would be something like, "Well, maybe he just wasn't that into you." :o

[\S/uperman]

As soon as a month or two after possible?

Just wondering when someone of you think we will get some official news to get excited about.:word:

[BH/HHH]

Whats to say we won't hear something at Comic Con, we just don't know.

[\S/uperman]

I think there is no way Comic Con would bring any announcement forth. Could be some minor comments from an interview or two. It's going to be a showcase for GL most likely.

[\S/]

I would've have said that until the last few weeks. We've been hearing lots of insider info, some of it seemingly true, some of it crap.

I think we're going to find out who our Superman will be next weekend, as I think he's been cast. 2010 is almost over and the WB has a deadline in making this film.

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[GreenKToo]

Not till after the con, or so thats whats been said.

[Webhead2006]

for me if there isnt any director reveal at comic con. which from most we all do figure probably nothing on superman besides maybe confirming again winter 2012 target date for release, and maybe some new details on script. But i would say for director we have to have person locked in no later then end of sept. Cause i would say they would want to at least have a good 5-6 months to do prep work and then get filming the film no later then june/july 2011. Plus then if we get soemone locked in as director by end of next month. Officially more casting if it hasnt already been happening behind the scenes can get into full motion between sept-dec range. So at least they could lock in characters like clark/superman, lois lane, and maybe lex luthor first and give them all plently of time for prep work and all that. Then other secondary characters could be getting cast as late as just prior to filming starting up.

[\S/uperman]

First I think they will announce a director like rumored J. Nolan before the actor.

I would think they release a list of possible candidates before announcing who they cast. Even if they don't cast the fan choice, they would want to know who to totally avoid (like Padalecki)

[Comicfan]

I think there is no way Comic Con would bring any announcement forth. Could be some minor comments from an interview or two. It's going to be a showcase for GL most likely.

I agree, this is GL Comic Con

[maenalus]

I expect a directer will be confirmed by September.

[Comicfan]

I expect a directer will be confirmed by September.

I think in NYC CC DC will announce more things about Batman, Superman and maybe Flash or Wonder Woman

[Webhead2006]

yea what other cons are their between now and the end of the yr. Or it could just come out of the blue.

[\S/uperman]

People are expecting big news this weekend, but I just have my doubts. I think big news will come out when not involved with any comic con going on.

[Webhead2006]

yea now at another con like ny or wonder con is a likely place since they now have gl stuff going on and all that. Or it could be like when the nolan news first broke and be out of the blue. Though i do hope we will have director locked in by sept, and at least maybe a tentative timeframe of when they hope to start filming. So we can then get a good judge on when casting will come in, crew, and studio space being picked and sets starting to go up and all that.

[GreenKToo]

Not sure, it could be tomorrow, or in 6 months.

[solidsnake86]

Well if we take that december 2012 date as the release, and go by the production of similar films, they need to start filming latest summer/early fall next year. This gives them a year to put the team together which means we should be hearing about the director in the next few months.

[Webhead2006]

yea i said it myself, with a dec/winter 2012 release. They need to have a director locked within within the next 2-4 months, at least start casting officially by oct/nov range. Then to give a good few months for prep work for the film crew and cast. The film would probably be filming in june-aug 2010 range. So if we got a director locked in by sept/oct. it would give them a good solid 7 months for prep and getting all that stuff set and ready to go. Then if we are filming between june-aug filming would only be like 4-5 months long which is the standard length for these things. So Filming would likely be done by oct/nov 2010. So that would then give us at least 10-11 months for post production and promotions for the film.

[solidsnake86]

Or they could just be waiting for Nolan's inception to make its budget back and cross it, which looks like it will happen very soon (if you go by the reported 160 million) probably after this weekend.

[danlav05]

yea i said it myself, with a dec/winter 2012 release. They need to have a director locked within within the next 2-4 months, at least start casting officially by oct/nov range. Then to give a good few months for prep work for the film crew and cast. The film would probably be filming in june-aug 2010 range. So if we got a director locked in by sept/oct. it would give them a good solid 7 months for prep and getting all that stuff set and ready to go. Then if we are filming between june-aug filming would only be like 4-5 months long which is the standard length for these things. So Filming would likely be done by oct/nov 2010. So that would then give us at least 10-11 months for post production and promotions for the film.

By Jun-Oct 2010 do you mean 2011?

We're hearing a lot of rumours about John M (sorry can't spell it!)/Jon Hamm/Henry Cavill lately.

Nolan has said countless times in the past he can only work on one project at a time (which is true - its a pain in the bum trying to cast a short film while putting together a 1/2 hour musical - fyi none of these projects have been made!!! ), but if he's not directing, then it may not matter as much.

I think due to the fact that they'd have to shoot within this coming year, we should know who the director is no later than Christmas, and perhaps have a Superman. OK I admit - I'm getting impatient lol

After all - Comic-Con isn't the end of all of it was on July 31 2006 we found out that 'The Dark Knight' was the title. CC this ear I guess was about Green Lantern, anyway theres another one in new York in October.

[Webhead2006]

oops yea i meant to say 2011 my mistake i typed it fast and didnt relise i made a mistake on yr number. But yea we need to be filming no later then june-aug 2011 if we want filming to be done by nov/dec 2011. So we have roughly 10 months from nov 2011-nov 2012(likely to be time frame the film will be officially in the can for theaters). Also you got to remember chris isnt going to be directing this. so if say his brother is directing or someone else. chris himself may not be around all the time on set. more so if supes if filming any time during batman 3 filmin schedule and all that. So then chris is likely to just be the one to give the ok on things and talk to the director here and there via emails/confrences/phone calls, and probably get to see the dailies footage and all that.

[batlovescatDC]

I'm thinking we'll have a director confirmation somewhere in the September-November range. And I don't think that we'll hear any casting until next year, unfortunately. We haven't even heard when they'll start filming yet.

[GreenKToo]

My guesstimate is somewhere around july/aug 2011. reason? cain said Batman 3 would start filming in march of next year for a summer of 2012 release.
Supes is supposedly to be released around christmas of 2012.

Its roughly 5 to 6 months difference between the release dates. If they follow how they are supposedly doing Batman 3, that gives them around 15/16 months of production time for superman as well.
That said, it may take longer for superman and they could start sooner.

[Comicfan]

Maybe we could hear something at the NYC Comic Con

[Kal-El Fan]

We are going to hear something right...... now! .... er .... now ...... uhhhh ..... now .................... damn it .............
(LOL)

[dark_b]

Or they could just be waiting for Nolan's inception to make its budget back and cross it, which looks like it will happen very soon (if you go by the reported 160 million) probably after this weekend.we all know that the budget was bigger and we all know that Inception will not make a big profit.

so what ,it was never made for the money. it was for artistic reasons. and as art it succeed on every level possible.

Inception could bomb and IMO Nolan would still produce sueprman would still direct batman.

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Inception has made $250 million world wide in less than 3 weeks. If it is not profitable in the end something is wrong.