The Official SDCC Coverage Thread

[Justice Bringer]

G4TV mentions the SR Sequel

http://www.g4tv.com/comiccon2007/blog/date/07262007/index.html#677983

But the DC film representitve seems unsure of whats going on.

[Showtime]

As I said previously, a very interesting reaction.

[matthooper]

Weren't all the major "characters" signed for 3 movies anyway, including Spacey. So the big news about Superman at CC is the old lady robber is back. Woo-hoo.

It is funny, he seems real excited about everything except Singerman Returns 2.

[bgshw44]

why do i have the feeling somethings going on at WB

[matthooper]

The reaction is just so awkward. She said this guy was the head of the DC movie division.

Everyone will read into this and extract their own opinion related to how much they care about a sequel. But, it's simply the most bizarre reaction to a simple question.

[nintendo nerd]

Weren't all the major "characters" signed for 3 movies anyway, including Spacey. So the big news about Superman at CC is the old lady robber is back. Woo-hoo.

It is funny, he seems real excited about everything except Singerman Returns 2.

You spelled the name of the movie wrong its "Superman Returns". Singer was only the director. :woot:

There's gonna be a SR sequel,deal with it.

[Justice Bringer]

Um FYI that wasnt the head of the movie dept; just a representitive from DC creative media.

He came off like a total douche. For goodness sakes, either confirm the sequel or say its off; enough with this crap and trying to avoid the issue. Take a stance you pussies. Fans deserve a straight answer.

[Hugh'sMrs]

Good Lord that guy must have a second job as an auctioneer.

[matthooper]

Um FYI that wasnt the head of the movie dept; just a representitive from DC creative media.

He came off like a total douche. For goodness sakes, either confirm the sequel or say its off; enough with this crap and trying to avoid the issue. Take a stance you pussies. Fans deserve a straight answer.

She called him the head of the movie department and he didn't correct her. Again, whoever he is, he must have expected that question at some point. He looks like a deer caught in headlights.

[Ita-KalEl]

As I said previously, a very interesting reaction.

I don't see anything strange about his reaction.

[matthooper]

I don't see anything strange about his reaction.

You have to watch it with your eyes open and the sound on.


If you don't find his reaction weird and strange, the problem is with you.
He hesitates as if he doesn't know what to say, then he stammers, then he simply dances around the question. This guy is a representative of DC and comes off as a moronic fool when asked a simple question.

[Justice Bringer]

She called him the head of the movie department and he didn't correct her.

You're wrong.

Watch it again. She never calls him that. She just introduces him by his name.

Hes just a creative affairs representitive.

[Ita-KalEl]

You have to watch it with your eyes open and the sound on.


If you don't find his reaction weird and strange, the problem is with you.
He hesitates as if he doesn't know what to say, then he stammers, then he simply dances around the question. This guy is a representative of DC and comes off as a moronic fool when asked a simple question.

You are right, he didn't know what to say. Halan Horn said that they will not decide without reading the script. The script isn't complete, so it is totally logical his reaction.
It's clear that by now the sequel is uncertain, but only because the WB are waiting for the script. If it is good they'll greenlit the movie.
He did not say a word even about the JLA project.

[matthooper]

You're wrong.

Watch it again. She never calls him that. She just introduces him by his name.

Hes just a creative affairs representitive.

My bad.

[Justice Bringer]

He did not say a word even about the JLA project.

JLA may be some ways off.

He said the Flash script is now turned in and Levy is set to direct it.

It will probably have to happen first unless they do a JL film without Flash.

[Lighthouse]

There's gonna be a SR sequel,deal with it.

Jesus, can't this and the term "Singerman" just die already? The "Singerman sucks and Singer sux!!" and the "SR is getting a sequel, deal with it" BS is so damn old I get a damn headache just reading it.:whatever:

[gimmen64]

You're wrong.

Watch it again. She never calls him that. She just introduces him by his name.

Hes just a creative affairs representitive.

Yep, you are right! All she says is on the movie side.......

[Ita-KalEl]

LOL By now we can't say anything. We can only wait for some real news :)
The fact that Watchmen's release date is in March 2009, give Superman the chance to be the summer movie of 2009.

Remember: the interviews with actors, DC rapresentitives etc. are totally useless.
They can give us only their opinions or wishes.
Only the WB execs/PRs or the writers (Dan or Mike) can tell us the truth.

[Lighthouse]

JLA may be some ways off.

He said the Flash script is now turned in and Levy is set to direct it.

It will probably have to happen first unless they do a JL film without Flash.

Your right, but Levy is also attached to a ton of different projects, so who the hell knows when he'll actually do the Flash.

[Lighthouse]

So what the hell happened with the Trick 'r Treat presentation? I thought Dougherty was going to be there. I was expecting questions about the sequel. What happened?

[matthooper]

I get a damn headache just reading it.:whatever:

SINGERMAN


Deal with it. He turned Superman into his pathetic version of a the character to fit a mold that every sigle one of his movie characters are. A lonely pathetic loser who doesn't fit in. A character no one besides a few people on the board now care about.

[gimmen64]

SINGERMAN


Deal with it. He turned Superman into his pathetic version of a the character to fit a mold that every sigle one of his movie characters are. A lonely pathetic loser who doesn't fit in. A character no one besides a few people on the board now care about.

So harsh, yet to true......:csad:

[Ita-KalEl]

So what the hell happened with the Trick 'r Treat presentation? I thought Dougherty was going to be there. I was expecting questions about the sequel. What happened?

The WB panel isn't finished.

[Justice Bringer]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=122902

No mention of SR II at the WB panel.

Trick R Treat was previewed but no mention of Superman from Mike D.

[Lighthouse]

The WB panel isn't finished.

Really? It said 10:30-12:30. Is there another day its on?

http://www.comic-con.org/cci/cci07_prog_fri.php

[Tomar-Re]

i'm all for superman news.. but batman stole the show today

[Justice Bringer]

There was alot of \S/ related news...

But it was ALL Smallville.


It feels like theyre trying to sweep Superman Returns under the rug.

[nintendo nerd]

SINGERMAN


Deal with it. He turned Superman into his pathetic version of a the character to fit a mold that every sigle one of his movie characters are. A lonely pathetic loser who doesn't fit in. A character no one besides a few people on the board now care about.

Maybe for you, but many people consider SR a great movie. Funny how you say few people care about SR when the polls clearly say other thing. You are on the "few" here.

Fire Him! 170 43.48%
Keep Him! 221 56.52%

[nintendo nerd]

So harsh, yet to true......:csad:

Maybe for you.....:csad:

[nintendo nerd]

There was alot of \S/ related news...

But it was ALL Smallville.


It feels like theyre trying to sweep Superman Returns under the rug.

This year it was all about TDK,next one will be for MOS.

[Retroman]

Is there any evidence that Mike Dougherty actually appeared in person at the Con? If he did then surely someone must have asked him about SR2.:huh:
G4TV mentions the SR Sequel

http://www.g4tv.com/comiccon2007/blog/date/07262007/index.html#677983
It irks me a little that he tried to dodge talk of SR2. He even named Watchmen and Tim Story's The Loosers a movie that only just started scripting to my recollection. But as others have said he made no mention of JLA or Goyer's Green Arrow movie for that matter.
She called him the head of the movie department and he didn't correct her. Again, whoever he is, he must have expected that question at some point. He looks like a deer caught in headlights.You're wrong.

Watch it again. She never calls him that. She just introduces him by his name.

Hes just a creative affairs representitive.
Gregory Noveck is DC's 'man in hollywood' (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117896919.html?categoryid=13&cs=1) so he should know something about what's going on.

[Justice Bringer]

Thats unfortunate that they put him in charge of DC's creative film affairs, he doesnt seem very interested in Superman.

[Showtime]

The panel didn't mention Batman or Superman.

[Justice Bringer]

Just scroll down that mainpage for the news blob about DC; and theres a vid for it.

[manofsteel4life]

G4TV mentions the SR Sequel

http://www.g4tv.com/comiccon2007/blog/date/07262007/index.html#677983

But the DC film representitve seems unsure of whats going on.
i didnt see anything..can you help me out?

[Justice Bringer]

just scroll down the main page to the news blob on DC....and theres a video for it

[Rated-X]

I was so looking forward to WB confirming the sequel. I'm like Justice Bringer, seems like they are trying to distance themselves from a sequel to SR and to SR period.

[Ita-KalEl]

Variety was right:

Sony doesn't have a fourth "Spider-Man" to talk about yet, WB isn't ready to discuss the next "Superman" and the studio is holding back on "The Dark Knight" just as it kept "Batman Begins" away from Comic-Con goers, opting to show footage at Chicago's WonderCon event instead. Early "Dark Knight" footage will be shown at this year's Wizard World in Chicago.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117968937.html?categoryid=2520&cs=1
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We have to admit that we knew exactly the situation of the sequel: The writer(s) is/are writing the script, and at WB they don't want to greenlit anything without reading it.
So we have only to wait for the day when the budget script will be on the table of Horn.
The story of "they are trying to distance themselves from a sequel" is pure speculation. And IMO isn't true (we should say the same thing for Batman or the other sh franchises).

[manofsteel4life]

just scroll down the main page to the news blob on DC....and theres a video for it
thanks...gotta wait till i get home to watch it cause im at work, and dont have that flash thing to watch video's...thanks again though!!

[Lighthouse]

Great, now I have to play another waiting game for Wizard World for news.

[superbaby]

no news mean good news i guess, to both parties; who want singer to stay or go. :D

[Ita-KalEl]

In this case no news mean no news. They did not say a word on Batman, Superman or the JLA project.
In the Superman case we know well that they are waiting for the script, so I don't see the problem.

[Justice Bringer]

Its still bad PR for a film to completely shut it out like this. TDK at least had the teaser with the Simpsons on Friday.

Superman has absolutely nothing. I have a feeling that even if MoS does come out, the marketing will be piss poor.

[GreenKToo]

I really thought something would have been mentioned.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Its still bad PR for a film to completely shut it out like this. TDK at least had the teaser with the Simpsons on Friday.

Superman has absolutely nothing. I have a feeling that even if MoS does come out, the marketing will be piss poor.

This time last year TDK had little to nothing as well though.

I just want to know either way now if we are getting a sequel or not, I loved SR, and just want to know if the sotry will continue or not. I am quietly confident a sequel will happen though.

[hoopy3]

I am at Comic-Con this year and was there last year as well...I remember last year they announced Ledger would be the joker during Comic-Con (It might not have been announced at the WB panel, but the news was released at the time)

[Ita-KalEl]

Because TDK was greenlited before the 2006 Comicon. Horn said that before greenliting anything he want to read the script. And the script isn't complete. But we even know that the writers are writing it, and that Singer is confident to direct it.
We have only to wait a little more to know the fate of the sequel. I say semptember-october.

[Showtime]

The guy who was writing Teen Titans was interviewed...

[Rated-X]

Meaning he's not writing it anymore?

[buggs0268]

The Horn Variety article speaks volumes, and it doesn't look like they are interested in doing it.

[mego joe]

This time last year TDK had little to nothing as well though.

I just want to know either way now if we are getting a sequel or not, I loved SR, and just want to know if the sotry will continue or not. I am quietly confident a sequel will happen though.


Actually right aroung this time Dark Knight had Ledger cast as the Joker, a confirmed title and a script.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/batmannews.php?id=4601

Seems quite a bit more than the nothing for the as yet unconfirmed SR sequel.

[superbaby]

i'm having a feeling that a superman movie in 2009 isn't happening.

[Showtime]

Meaning he's not writing it anymore?

Meaning he is working on it full force and it sounds good.

[CGHulk]

i'm having a feeling that a superman movie in 2009 isn't happening.
I hope your feelings are right.

[Ita-KalEl]

i'm having a feeling that a superman movie in 2009 isn't happening.


From a hater, it isn't a surprise :woot:

[Super Kal]

i'm having a feeling that a superman movie in 2009 isn't happening.
and I hope you're right

[Rated-X]

Meaning he is working on it full force and it sounds good.


OK.:up: Cause when you said the "guy who was writing" it, I thought you meant someone else is now writing it.

[Excel]

no...were getting a superman film in someway in 2009...w.b. have literally no other options...

[Super Kal]

that is, if they don't change their minds

[Matt]

no...were getting a superman film in someway in 2009...w.b. have literally no other options...

Sure they do

Options:

A) Put out a Superman film in 2009
B) Don't put out a Superman film in 2009

[Grinder]

C) Flash: the Movie

The WB guy mentioned Batman, Watchmen and the Flash movie and even the WW movie as "in production".

[TheComicbookKid]

The fact that he says WW is in production makes me wonder about exactly where Flash is in the development line. Just go back to Goyer's script WB!!!!

[Showtime]

OK.:up: Cause when you said the "guy who was writing" it, I thought you meant someone else is now writing it.

Heh Heh. Actually you're right. My bad. I graduated with an English Degree, I should know better. :yay:

[Showtime]

On most days when I get up in the morning, I don't see a sequel happening in 2009. I just don't see it anymore. I've lost most of my faith.

[Super Kal]

On most days when I get up in the morning, I don't see a sequel happening in 2009. I just don't see it anymore. I've lost most of my faith.


















now you know how I feel.

[VenomsMom]

On most days when I get up in the morning, I don't see a sequel happening in 2009. I just don't see it anymore. I've lost most of my faith.
2009 is wishful thinking.

[FlawlessVictory]

Actually right aroung this time Dark Knight had Ledger cast as the Joker, a confirmed title and a script.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/batmannews.php?id=4601

Seems quite a bit more than the nothing for the as yet unconfirmed SR sequel.

Absolutely right. Big difference here.

no...were getting a superman film in someway in 2009...w.b. have literally no other options...

Huh? Like the studio is gonna explode if they don't put Superman in a film in 2009?

[Showtime]

2009 is wishful thinking.

At this point its less than wishful thinking, at least this is how I feel today.

[Showtime]

now you know how I feel.

Every day that passes for me is pretty much a nail in the coffin for a sequel. Although I wish this wasn't the case.

[Venom'sDad]

Every day that passes for me is pretty much a nail in the coffin for a sequel. Although I wish this wasn't the case.

I understand how you feel. I feel the opposite. I don't mind a sequel... I truely am hoping for one. I'm afraid that Singer will direct it and I wish this was not the case. :(

[TheComicbookKid]

So many conflicted feelings.


I'm kind of in both camps. I'm afraid that if we get the sequel, it'll be watered down so much from where Singer originally wanted to go that I'll hate it.

[Showtime]

Either way, life goes on.

[TheComicbookKid]

Of course, I still have my SR dvd. But it would be nice to get to see Superman in action against a villain in this incarnation. Brainiac's big screen debut.

[Excel]

lol you guys dont follow.

every summer, they want one huge franchise film out.

2003: nmatrix reloaded
2004: harry potter...skipped winter due to lack of summer tentpole
2005: batman
2006: superman
2007: harry potter...again, due to lack of big summer film
2008:batman
2009:.........? potters in winter 08, batman summer 08.

what else do they have that can be greenlighted and automatically be considered a big contender? SUPERMAN 2 or JL; both which have supes in them.

They're a movie studio, and whats even more important to them then handling superman properly is making money, and in 2009, they have no other possible money makers except the 2 mentioned above, both which feature supes. Potter coming to end, and they know they can survive on Batman; they need Superman to get going as a major franchise.

Need of supes + lack of big summer2009 film = superman in 2009.

Only logical conclusion and i am sure it the one theyll come to.

All w.b. is doing is deleying the inevitable. which is some sort of superman film in 2009.

[Showtime]

lol you guys dont follow.

every summer, they want one huge franchise film out.

2003: nmatrix reloaded
2004: harry potter...skipped winter due to lack of summer tentpole
2005: batman
2006: superman
2007: harry potter...again, due to lack of big summer film
2008:batman
2009:.........? potters in winter 08, batman summer 08.

what else do they have that can be greenlighted and automatically be considered a big contender? SUPERMAN 2 or JL; both which have supes in them.

They're a movie studio, and whats even more important to them then handling superman properly is making money, and in 2009, they have no other possible money makers except the 2 mentioned above, both which feature supes. Potter coming to end, and they know they can survive on Batman; they need Superman to get going as a major franchise.

Need of supes + lack of big summer2009 film = superman in 2009.

Only logical conclusion and i am sure it the one theyll come to.

All w.b. is doing is deleying the inevitable. which is some sort of superman film in 2009.

It doesn't have to be Superman, it could be any movie Excel. Could be the new book series they bought the rights to.

[Justice Bringer]

Though the JL film likely won't have Brandon Routh or anything related to what Bryan Singer created tied to it. Especially IF the studio doesnt want to continue the SR franchaise.

Hell, the 'big' film of that 09 block could even turn out to be Flash.

[FlawlessVictory]

lol you guys dont follow.

every summer, they want one huge franchise film out.

2003: nmatrix reloaded
2004: harry potter...skipped winter due to lack of summer tentpole
2005: batman
2006: superman
2007: harry potter...again, due to lack of big summer film
2008:batman
2009:.........? potters in winter 08, batman summer 08.

what else do they have that can be greenlighted and automatically be considered a big contender? SUPERMAN 2 or J; both which have supes in them.

They're a movie studio, and whats even more important to them then handling superman properly is making money, and in 2009, they have no other possible money makers except the 2 mentioned above, both which feature supes. Potter coming to end, and they know they can survive on Batman; they need Superman to get going.

All w.b. is doing is deleying the inevitable. which is some sort of superman film in 2009.

How long can they possibly rely on Batman, Superman and Harry Potter? Well, we know the answer for HP, but this is ridiculous. Marvel is busy developing so many of their other characters and all WB can put out is Batman and Superman. Surely, there is another project/franchise they can develop that can be the next great success. Do they have no imagination over there?

[Super Kal]

I'd love to see them branch out and do someone else other than those two...



Green Lantern would be really nice.

[VenomsMom]

If it were a race DC would be in Marvel's rearview mirror.

[Justice Bringer]

Theres no point going into Green Lantern and the others until they get Superman right.

[FlawlessVictory]

I'd love to see them branch out and do someone else other than those two...



Green Lantern would be really nice.

Green Lantern could be epic but the studio just doesn't have the imagination for it.

[Showtime]

I think they are at a point, where if you aren't going to see Superman, there is no way you are going to see Flash or Lantern.

[Dr. Fate]

How long can they possibly rely on Batman, Superman and Harry Potter? Well, we know the answer for HP, but this is ridiculous. Marvel is busy developing so many of their other characters and all WB can put out is Batman and Superman. Surely, there is another project/franchise they can develop that can be the next great success. Do they have no imagination over there?
I agree.

[FlawlessVictory]

Theres no point going into Green Lantern and the others until they get Superman right.

I don't understand why it's so difficult to:

A. Get a Superman movie made

B. To get a Superman movie made that gets a majority of highly positive feedback among the average movie goer and the hardcore fan

[VenomsMom]

I don't understand why it's so difficult to:

A. Get a Superman movie made

B. To get a Superman movie made that gets a majority of highly positive feedback among the average movie goer and the hardcore fan
They are stuck in mud spinning their tires. Other than Batman they seem to be indecisive.

[GreenKToo]

Every day that passes for me is pretty much a nail in the coffin for a sequel. Although I wish this wasn't the case.

I'm pretty much leaning toward a J.L. film happening now, instead of M.O.S.

[Showtime]

I think WB is coming up with a plan behind the scenes, why do they have to tell us anything. They could be planning Teen Titans as well as JLA as we speak along with a Superman Returns sequel. Who knows.

[Showtime]

I'm pretty much leaning toward a J.L. film happening now, instead of M.O.S.

Today, me too.

[GreenKToo]

It seems the most logical choice to me. *IF* they did it right, several spin offs could happen, making them even more money.

[Excel]

You guys dont get it. Any of these film you mention

-"any movie"
-green lantern
-teen titans
-flash
-wonder woman
-even justice league

theyd be hit films, probably...but supermans on a whole other level and they know it.W.B. have 3 huge properties(HP, bats, Supes) and then a bunch of little ones; and their goal is to have 1 huge 1 a year and then a few of their little ones. The huge properties bring in cash every where, box office, merchandise, dvd, tv , everything. Their "little" ones cant do that.

Their the biggest studio in the world, and they know they wont survive a year without one of their bigs guns. Thats the only reason theyve consistently broke 1 billion domestically when nobody else can; they've gotten 1 of em out every year. Every year they always have huge film to fall back on. 2006 was a total disaster till Superman made it just a dissappointment. 2005 was good but not great until potter smashed records.

These films you mentioned; flash, gl, teen titans....these arent fall back films. They could be hits, but their not the kind you base a year around. Thats why it isn't that simple to say "they can put out any film" or "they have 2options: superman or no superman".

To sum up:

NO SUPERMAN means their not gonna be able to realistcally compete for the domestic crown in 2009 as HP7 will be summer 2010 and BATMAN 3 in summer 2011. A Superman film is their only film that would be a guarenteed 200 million dollar hit.

W.B. know it, thats why we will get superman on film in 2009. Even if it means releasing it winter, they will do all they can to get out in 2009 because with Harry Potter ending in 2010, they cant have just one major franchise and continue the dominance theyve had.

[Showtime]

Superman Returns came out already remember, it was not the draw they hoped. So Superman is not as big as you or I wish or want it to be at this point, whether that is Singer's Superman or Superman remains to be seen.

[Excel]

thats not the point. It isnt big as they hoped, but it is still a helluva a lot bigger than anything else they could put out.

See how they put watchmen in march? That is how they view those kind of hero film-their secondary. Watchmen is in the same league as flash and green lantern...their not summer tentpoles as they learned with Catwoman.

Superman wasnt the draw they hoped; but they're not going to give up on it after 1 film.

That said...singer not the man for the job. They need to get someone who can come in, use his actors and story but make it more mainstream...they need to do that, get a good release date for it, and get as good marketing strategy and all will be fine. Somebody who knows what W.B. wantrs out of the film...someone like me :p but seriously....Superman is coming in 2009...and the fact that they keep delaying it makes it a lot for them; cause at this point its getting late to green light JL so their kind of forcing themselves to go with a rush versioned of a singer sequel.

we should find out something by the end of august.

[GreenKToo]

A J.L. film with Superman, W.W., Batman, the Flash etc etc, would be a sure fire hit for W.B., as long as they dont try to make it cheesy.

If it made say 500 or 600 mill W.W., then you can bet we would be seeing solo films of them not long afterwards.

It would have to be done right though, with all seriousness and respect. If it had to have some comedy, then let the Flash have those lines, he is a ham anyway.

[GreenKToo]

thats not the point. It isnt big as they hoped, but it is still a helluva a lot bigger than anything else they could put out.

See how they put watchmen in march? That is how they view those kind of hero film-their secondary. Watchmen is in the same league as flash and green lantern...their not summer tentpoles as they learned with Catwoman.

Superman wasnt the draw they hoped; but they're not going to give up on it after 1 film.

That said...singer not the man for the job. They need to get someone who can come in, use his actors and story but make it more mainstream...they need to do that, get a good release date for it, and get as good marketing strategy and all will be fine. Somebody who knows what W.B. wantrs out of the film...someone like me :p but seriously....Superman is coming in 2009...and the fact that they keep delaying it makes it a lot for them; cause at this point its getting late to green light JL so their kind of forcing themselves to go with a rush versioned of a singer sequel.

we should find out something by the end of august.

I hope your right.

[Excel]

That wont happen. Not with Batman anyways, and if he is in the script all it means it has to be rewritten, which would take up more time. 2 Bat films in 2 years is over exposure and would greatly hurt their solo batman franchise.

They want 3 big seperate franchises; combining them would only limit the size of their solo efforts which is the last thing they want.

[GreenKToo]

With marvel planning an avengers film, I cant see W.B. not making a J.L. film.

Maybe Batman wont be in it, but as long as it had Superman, W.W., the Flash, and G.L., it should do fine. all MHO.

[Excel]

that is how their backing thmselves into a corner...jl needs to be rewritten, then sign a director, than cast all the heros. Its not auagust; the script would be ready by october..get a director...thats 6 months max for preduction (compared to the usual 8-10) in order to get cameras rolling by may, which would give them 14 months from filming to release max (compared to the usual 15-17).

Basically it would be rushed, thus upping the risk factor by ten. A rushed superman isnt nearly as big of a risk.

I wish I could just have 1 meeting with w.b...i could tell them exactly how and what they need to get the franchise where they want it...instead they pick guys like singer to make 200 million art movies and put in super kid to perminetly **** up a sequel :cmad:

[GreenKToo]

Ha, if it were that easy, then we wouldnt have anything to B**** about.:D

[Excel]

If it made say 500 or 600 mill W.W., then you can bet we would be seeing solo films of them not long afterwards.

thing is, solo franchises would do far less. Its like if you eat a cheese pizza and love it buth then have pepperoni and its even better. The cheese doesnt seem as good. Thats how itd be. You like Batman, and then see him with superman so its even better..but once they go back to their solo films after youve seen them together, their not as cool. "BVS was better" ect.

A Jl film with supes and batman right now would be a fatal mistake. They need to keep Routh, Bosworth, and Spacey and do a prequal to RETURNS from before he left, and give Superman a physical villain. The drama should souly come from the love story of supes n lois, no emo superman or super kid crap. Keep the budget at 175 million, release it mid July, 2009. For marketing....teaser with TDK...then a brief, very very brief teaser again with HARRY POTTER.

They need to be clever. With this teaser, I'd show very little film footage...just titles with voiceovers and then 4-5 quick money action shots. I'd debut the first real film footage with the super bowl and make it non stop action; sure to steal the show. Theatricaltrailer with tbe big may movies, blow up hype between june n july.

[GreenKToo]

thing is, solo franchises would do far less. Its like if you eat a cheese pizza and love it buth then have pepperoni and its even better. The cheese doesnt seem as good. Thats how itd be. You like Batman, and then see him with superman so its even better..but once they go back to their solo films after youve seen them together, their not as cool. "BVS was better" ect.

A Jl film with supes and batman right now would be a fatal mistake. They need to keep Routh, Bosworth, and Spacey and do a prequal to RETURNS from before he left, and give Superman a physical villain. The drama should souly come from the love story of supes n lois, no emo superman or super kid crap. Keep the budget at 175 million, release it mid July, 2009. For marketing....teaser with TDK...then a brief, very very brief teaser again with HARRY POTTER.

They need to be clever. With this teaser, I'd show very little film footage...just titles with voiceovers and then 4-5 quick money action shots. I'd debut the first real film footage with the super bowl and make it non stop action; sure to steal the show. Theatricaltrailer with tbe big may movies, blow up hype between june n july.

I wish they would bring Kingdom Come to the big screen. I'd pass smooth out if they did, no joke.

[Ita-KalEl]

I think WB is coming up with a plan behind the scenes, why do they have to tell us anything. They could be planning Teen Titans as well as JLA as we speak along with a Superman Returns sequel. Who knows.

A teen titans movie would be the end of the DC comics franchises. They have less appeal of the Fantastic Four. And I don't see how they can do a JLA movie without risking a great bomb (expecially if they are expecting the spiderman numbers).
I really can't think that the WB are thinking to cancel the Superman franchise again.

Showtime029 where are your insiders? They could be useful now :)

[TheComicbookKid]

JLA may not do Spidey numbers, but it's a safe bet for money in the bank. Those characters smashing up the screen for an hour and forty-five minutes is great. I mean look at Transformers. Bale for sure has the charisma and Routh has a sizeable fanbase. The trouble with JL is in spinning off the other three into profitable franchises.

[Showtime]

A teen titans movie would be the end of the DC comics franchises. They have less appeal of the Fantastic Four. And I don't see how they can do a JLA movie without risking a great bomb (expecially if they are expecting the spiderman numbers).
I really can't think that the WB are thinking to cancel the Superman franchise again.

Showtime029 where are your insiders? They could be useful now :)

I was not excited about the Teen Titans movie when I first heard about it. Hearing what is going on with the project has made me more excited, a gritty take on these younger heroes struggling with their identities. WB is obviously taking this project seriously and I don't see how it's the end of the DC Comics Franchises.

I don't know where you were during the pre-production on Returns but I was providing news before the major movie websites on the production. The new reports came from the same people I got info on previously, along with additional info from a second hand source. It is what it is.

[Ita-KalEl]

I was not excited about the Teen Titans movie when I first heard about it. Hearing what is going on with the project has made me more excited, a gritty take on these younger heroes struggling with their identities. WB is obviously taking this project seriously and I don't see how it's the end of the DC Comics Franchises.

I don't know where you were during the pre-production on Returns but I was providing news before the major movie websites on the production. The new reports came from the same people I got info on previously, along with additional info from a second hand source. It is what it is.

I believe you Showtime, I want only to know if they can tell you some fresh rumor/news. What are the last rumors?

[Showtime]

No news, no rumors, no nothing. That is what is disturbing. I am hearing nothing from WB's side and nothing from Singer's side at this point. Scary to me.

[TheComicbookKid]

I just crawled under my blankets and turn on my nightlight until daybreak and we have confirmation of sequel or a scrapped project.:woot:

[Naite22]

^we'll get confirmation soon, I'm sure of it...

Many's concerned because the first movie didn't do quite as well as Singer and Warner Bros had hoped for, that the next one will be a rather cheap flick! The studio was talking about a major cut-back for the sequel.... A cut-back, sure, but a cheap flick it WONT be!... The studio is willing to spend as much as 175mill on the sequel, and that's A LOT! It's more than enough.

[Sebastos]

I'm surprised we didn't here at least a little bit of imformation for the sequel.

[TaintedBlood]

we didn't hear anything from WB concerning another Harry Potter film either... guess that isn't happening....

[matthooper]

we didn't hear anything from WB concerning another Harry Potter film either... guess that isn't happening....


Comparing Potter to a Superman Returns sequel is a poor analogy. Potter 6 is filming now, we know that. It's not Comic Con news like Iron Man or Hulk where we want a sneak peak. We already know what's it's about. We have all the books and 5 other films. No additional info is needed. We know the outcome and the direction of the next 2 films.

Superman Returns doesn't have a script or direction yet. It's in limbo because of the words of the studio head himself. If this happens, or if that happens is not a confirmation.

[GreenKToo]

They have nothing to fear from H.P., its a proven franchise.
S.R. on the other hand was the first Superman film in 18 years.

[Justice Bringer]

No news, no rumors, no nothing. That is what is disturbing. I am hearing nothing from WB's side and nothing from Singer's side at this point. Scary to me.

Its also bad PR/marketing for WB.

We would have heard something by now if it was happening. It would have at least been highlighted on that guys list of possible upcoming DC films.

[GreenKToo]

I think they may be contemplating on a new director, or maybe even doing a J.L. film instead.
If they do have plans on doing M.O.S., its certainly bad P.R. so far.

[Naite22]

^ What's J.L???

They propably wont talk serious about the superman sequel, until comic-con 2008!... and by that time, they'll propably have a sneek-peak ready, just like they had with the first movie, for the people in the audience to drool over!... and I forsee that it'll be, among other things, a glimps of superman fighting whatever supervillain it may be!

[Sebastos]

^ What's J.L???

They propably wont talk serious about the superman sequel, until comic-con 2008!... and by that time, they'll propably have a sneek-peak ready, just like they had with the first movie, for the people in the audience to drool over!... and I forsee that it'll be, among other things, a glimps of superman fighting whatever supervillain it may be!

Justice League.

[Justice Bringer]

I think they may be contemplating on a new director, or maybe even doing a J.L. film instead.
If they do have plans on doing M.O.S., its certainly bad P.R. so far.

A new director would be dumb. If the film is a continuation of SR; you cant change the tone of the first film and all the elements from it.

[Sebastos]

I don't think they're going to replace Singer.

[Naite22]

^They're NOT.... I'll be most surprised if they do!... But Dan and Mike have already begun writing the screen-play, and those three are a team, so I seriously doubt that'll happen!... Work is beeing done on the sequel RIGHT NOW. this has been confirmed!

[Sebastos]

Yeah we know that. And plus, wasn't it reported that Singer spoke a bit about the SR sequel while filming his new movie Valkyrie?

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I think the reason why we are not hearing anything now is because as Horn said they are waiting for a script of some kind to be handed in. They seemed to like the pitch enough to give Singer & crew the time to write something up in order for the WB to green light this movie

[Sebastos]

Yeah, I remember Horn saying that.

[Excel]

I'll laugh when Valkyrie opens and is great and huge hit and everyones like "get singer back!"

[Super Kal]

I personally will never see that movie...

[Superman-Prime]

Wow... Superman Returns haters are an idiot and pathetic. PERIOD.

I loved, loved Superman Returns, and I'm definitely going to look forward for the next sequel. Let's hope it'll happens in 2009.

Seriously, be glad we finally got Superman in the big screen and DVD last year. It has been like what? Over 20 years. I'm so happy that there is gonna be a sequel soon.

[superbaby]

Wow... Superman Returns haters are an idiot and pathetic. PERIOD.

I loved, loved Superman Returns, and I'm definitely going to look forward for the next sequel. Let's hope it'll happens in 2009.

Seriously, be glad we finally got Superman in the big screen and DVD last year. It has been like what? Over 20 years. I'm so happy that there is gonna be a sequel soon.

hope you will get it.

[FlawlessVictory]

I'll laugh when Valkyrie opens and is great and huge hit and everyones like "get singer back!"

Valkyrie has absolutely nothing to do with Superman. I don't care if Valkyrie makes 1 billion dollars in in it's run and collects 12 Oscars. It doesn't change the fact that Singer is not suited for Superman! IMO.

[Lighthouse]

Wow... Superman Returns haters are an idiot and pathetic. PERIOD.

I loved, loved Superman Returns, and I'm definitely going to look forward for the next sequel. Let's hope it'll happens in 2009.

Seriously, be glad we finally got Superman in the big screen and DVD last year. It has been like what? Over 20 years. I'm so happy that there is gonna be a sequel soon.

Wow, what a well thought out argument. :whatever:

[buggs0268]

Wow... Superman Returns haters are an idiot and pathetic. PERIOD.

I loved, loved Superman Returns, and I'm definitely going to look forward for the next sequel. Let's hope it'll happens in 2009.

Seriously, be glad we finally got Superman in the big screen and DVD last year. It has been like what? Over 20 years. I'm so happy that there is gonna be a sequel soon.
Oh so I am an idiot huh? Wow! Look at you all big and touch on the net. I am glad you liked it but a lot of people, I would say over half hated it. The general audience didn't like it due to the sinking B.O. numbers every week after release. It had to fight for it's position with a chick flick (Devil wears Prada) that opened the same weekend, and usually lost to it weekly after the first two weeks. It barely made it to 200 million because the WB had to do a big push. It was not the tentpole film that the WB needed it to be. WW it just barely paid for it's production and advertising cost. From the Variety article:

"The future of the studio's recent comic book adaptation, 2006's "Superman Returns," is somewhat more dubious. That film cost $209 million (even after various tax rebates) and marketing costs sent expenses upward of $300 million, but director Bryan Singer's Man of Steel picture made only $201 million domestically. While insiders say the movie was profitable, the studio mandated major cost cuts before proceeding with a sequel."IF we do a sequel to 'Superman,' we want it to be less expensive," Horn acknowledges.

And I doubt there will be a sequel.

God the Singerites are back. Sterling example of a first post attack from a SR liker.

[zanos]

I watched most of the g4 coverage and was bored to tears.

[Ita-KalEl]

I want only an official word about the sequel. I'm quite tired of this soap opera.
If they think that +$391m ww and a ton of merchandise sold is not enough for the ton of money put in this project...okay, I will survive. But I have spent quite 1000 euros (dvds+merchandise+action figures+toys+soundtrack+tickets+videogames) for SR...
At WB they wasted a ton of money in terrible projects, then they greenlited SR with a budget of +$200m...despite the movie was far for being perfect, a lot of fans liked it, and now they are thinking to cancel the sequel because they expected more from the huge budget invested?
Why do we have to pay for their faults?

[dude love]

Oh so I am an idiot huh? Wow! Look at you all big and touch on the net. I am glad you liked it but a lot of people, I would say over half hated it. The general audience didn't like it due to the sinking B.O. numbers every week after release. It had to fight for it's position with a chick flick (Devil wears Prada) that opened the same weekend, and usually lost to it weekly after the first two weeks. It barely made it to 200 million because the WB had to do a big push. It was not the tentpole film that the WB needed it to be. WW it just barely paid for it's production and advertising cost. From the Variety article:

"The future of the studio's recent comic book adaptation, 2006's "Superman Returns," is somewhat more dubious. That film cost $209 million (even after various tax rebates) and marketing costs sent expenses upward of $300 million, but director Bryan Singer's Man of Steel picture made only $201 million domestically. While insiders say the movie was profitable, the studio mandated major cost cuts before proceeding with a sequel."IF we do a sequel to 'Superman,' we want it to be less expensive," Horn acknowledges.

And I doubt there will be a sequel.

God the Singerites are back.

Was the rant entirely necessary? The guy's probably 13.

Over half hate it? Despite usually winning the polls here and having a solid IMDb score?

Given the quote you yourself posted and Horn's statement about waiting for the script to be finished (So it means there is interest, otherwise he'd have told Singer and co. to piss off right off the bat). It sounds like he'd be interested if Singer pitched him an action packed $150 million sequel.

[superbaby]

I want only an official word about the sequel. I'm quite tired of this soap opera.
If they think that +$391m ww and a ton of merchandise sold is not enough for the ton of money put in this project...okay, I will survive. But I have spent quite 1000 euros (dvds+merchandise+action figures+toys+soundtrack+tickets+videogames) for SR...
At WB they wasted a ton of money in terrible projects, then they greenlited SR with a budget of +$200m...despite the movie was far for being perfect, a lot of fans liked it, and now they are thinking to cancel the sequel because they expected more from the huge budget invested?
Why do we have to pay for their faults?
sound a little lost & desperate you are...
maybe you can take some proactive role, write to WB, tell them how the sequel will make them filthy rich. and ask some of your members Bt to do so.
afterall, singermansucks blog has asked the people to write to WB. :o

[Cyrusbales]

Was the rant entirely necessary? The guy's probably 13.

Over half hate it? Despite usually winning the polls here and having a solid IMDb score?

Given the quote you yourself posted and Horn's statement about waiting for the script to be finished (So it means there is interest, otherwise he'd have told Singer and co. to piss off right off the bat). It sounds like he'd be interested if Singer pitched him an action packed $150 million sequel.

Yeah, I've noticed that too, it does hold a high regard mongst a lot of people, according to the SHH it's beter than SM3, and look how much that made?

I think a sequel will happen, with a smaller budget, but at the end of the day, they already have a lot of the CG models etc already, so that'll help keep costs down.

[dude love]

True, also remember, $150 million + is hardly low budget.

[Grinder]

I think a sequel will happen, with a smaller budget, but at the end of the day, they already have a lot of the CG models etc already, so that'll help keep costs down.
By the time the sequel would be made, they'd have to throw away their old 2005 CGI models, due to completely new technology, and remodel them!

The technology for animation is changing monthly and every studio is always trying to get the absolute best, 'cause by the time the movie is released it's already old and the next best thing is coming.
If they want to save money, they have to do it like Bay or Favreau and shoot nearly everything with REAL props and actors in suits BEFORE adding anything with the help of CG.

Which would mean they'd either spend more money for new CG models (prolly for Supes and Brainiac) OR they'd make a step back from the big budget and just shoot a "human" supervillain like Zod or Bizarro fighting Supes mostly on the ground, adding just some CG to make the (brief) aerial fights look better.

You can thank Singer's wonderful first movie for that situation. I can't remember that Spider-Man ever had such a problem!? But sure, SR is sooo much more loved by anyone. :whatever:

[Ita-KalEl]

sound a little lost & desperate you are...
maybe you can take some proactive role, write to WB, tell them how the sequel will make them filthy rich. and ask some of your members Bt to do so.
afterall, singermansucks blog has asked the people to write to WB. :o

lol desperate is the right word :woot:

[Super Kal]

Wow... Superman Returns haters are an idiot and pathetic. PERIOD.
Just because a certain group of people or posters doesn't like a certain thing you like, it does not make them idiotic or pathetic.

Please be kind enough to respect other people's thought and opinions on this subject.

I loved, loved Superman Returns, and I'm definitely going to look forward for the next sequel. Let's hope it'll happens in 2009.
I didn't love Superman Returns and the only way I would see a sequel is if Singer wasn't involved.

Seriously, be glad we finally got Superman in the big screen and DVD last year. It has been like what? Over 20 years. I'm so happy that there is gonna be a sequel soon.
We shouldn't of had to wait 20 years to see a Superman movie THIS disappointing... if it means waiting another 10 years to get it right, then I'll gladly wait another 10 years.

[dude love]

By the time the sequel would be made, they'd have to throw away their old 2005 CGI models, due to completely new technology, and remodel them!

The technology for animation is changing monthly and every studio is always trying to get the absolute best, 'cause by the time the movie is released it's already old and the next best thing is coming.
If they want to save money, they have to do it like Bay or Favreau and shoot nearly everything with REAL props and actors in suits BEFORE adding anything with the help of CG.

Which would mean they'd either spend more money for new CG models (prolly for Supes and Brainiac) OR they'd make a step back from the big budget and just shoot a "human" supervillain like Zod or Bizarro fighting Supes mostly on the ground, adding just some CG to make the (brief) aerial fights look better.

You can thank Singer's wonderful first movie for that situation. I can't remember that Spider-Man ever had such a problem!? But sure, SR is sooo much more loved by anyone. :whatever:

If they where able to fight in the air in Superman II, you don't think it's possible to do it for cheap these days?

Do you honestly think they wont recycle Marlon Brando's CGI (Assuming Supes gets his crystals back) and they'll rebuild his head all over again?

There will still be loads of CGI in the sequel. Poseidon and Kingdom of Heaven where CGI galore and they both where much cheaper than Superman Returns. That's the problem with the average blockbuster costing 250 million these days, all of a sudden it makes something that costs 150 million seem low budget. No movies should go above $180 million IMHO. But that's another story.

EDIT: kakarot, why bother? You wont get much in the way of common sense out of him.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Gotta say i at least expected SOME kind of news on SR2 at CC, very surprised we heard nothing.

[Super Kal]

kakarot, why bother? You wont get much in the way of common sense out of him.
if someone talks to him in a sensible manner, maybe then he'll respond better

[Superman1314]

SINGERMAN


Deal with it. He turned Superman into his pathetic version of a the character to fit a mold that every sigle one of his movie characters are. A lonely pathetic loser who doesn't fit in. A character no one besides a few people on the board now care about.

These are your opinions and those of other people who dislike SR. They are not the opinions of everyone, just as there are those of us who liked SR and feel the opposite. The chances of getting a Singer Superman Sequel are far greater than getting a reboot. It's that simple. Deal with it.

[Superman1314]

Just because a certain group of people or posters doesn't like a certain thing you like, it does not make them idiotic or pathetic.

Just because we like the movie does not mean we have no taste or are blind followers. Are we not just as 'right' about the movie as you are in a sense?

Please be kind enough to respect other people's thought and opinions on this subject.

There are people out there who liked SR, I being one of them. The same could be said for those of you who disliked SR. Respect the fact that People did indeed enjoy the movie and were very happy to have Superman on screen.


I didn't love Superman Returns and the only way I would see a sequel is if Singer wasn't involved.

I loved Superman Returns and I will be seeing the sequel at the midnight showing.


We shouldn't of had to wait 20 years to see a Superman movie THIS disappointing... if it means waiting another 10 years to get it right, then I'll gladly wait another 10 years.

Go back to your second reply. How is your thinking this movie was sooo disapointing any more valid than my thinking it was a complete success and done very well? You aren't a hypocrit are you?

[Grinder]

If they where able to fight in the air in Superman II, you don't think it's possible to do it for cheap these days?
That's why I wrote Zod or Bizarro would be more likely in a low budget film. Or they go the SV route and make Brainiac "human". Same result.
They could pull off the action without CG and just add some things in post prod. instead of actually designing parts or even the whole sequence (like they did with the plane rescue) in the computer. They sure as hell can do some good aerial fights on wires. Just hire a team that knows what to do and knows how to make it look cooler than the silly action in Jackie Chan movies. *urgh*


Do you honestly think they wont recycle Marlon Brando's CGI (Assuming Supes gets his crystals back) and they'll rebuild his head all over again?
Dear lord, I hope they completely ditch Brando/Jor-El altogether and FINALLY make a movie about Clark Kent and his adventures as Superman! :o

The FoS with God-El speaking to Jesus-El was a stupid idea back in the 70's and still is just plain stupid! Yes, I hate those scenes in SV, too!
Brainiac should be the "computer" in the fortress that contains all the knowledge of the universe and present it to Clark once he finds it. Also a perfect way to introduce other characters from the DCU and finally go into some comic's lore. (i.e.: the GL Corps!)

Enough with the silly crystal crap! Batman's burned down lair looks cooler than this stone cold piece of nothingness.

I know we're trapped in pre-crisis but if they really correct so many failures, like the early reports say, to please the fans, they might as well reveal the REAL FoS being hidden somewhere else, now that the crystals are gone. Clark only created like a "backup" version of it, in case the real fortress was destroyed.

Whatever, just maybe be creative for once?! :whatever:

[Super Kal]

Just because we like the movie does not mean we have no taste or are blind followers. Are we not just as 'right' about the movie as you are in a sense?
just because you liked the film doesn't make you less right or wrong... it just makes you an individual

There are people out there who liked SR, I being one of them. The same could be said for those of you who disliked SR. Respect the fact that People did indeed enjoy the movie and were very happy to have Superman on screen.
I don't have any problem with you liking the movie, but calling some one an idiot or pathetic just because they didn't like something isn't tolerated on here.

I loved Superman Returns and I will be seeing the sequel at the midnight showing.
good for you... don't count on me going if it is made.

Go back to your second reply. How is your thinking this movie was sooo disapointing any more valid than my thinking it was a complete success and done very well? You aren't a hypocrit are you?
because it's my opinion, and I have every right to it, just like you have every right to yours... the difference is, I'm not going to insult the supporters just because they support it. That's wrong.

Everyone has a right to their opinion on here... you don't need to insult others just to express it.

[Matt]

I'll laugh when Valkyrie opens and is great and huge hit and everyones like "get singer back!"

You're comparing apples and oranges. Valkyrie will be at best a modest success (due to the Tom Cruise effect and the fact that it is an adult oriented, character driven, time-piece). Secondly, it could make hundreds of millions of dollars and I still wouldn't want Singer back.

[Matt]

^They're NOT.... I'll be most surprised if they do!... But Dan and Mike have already begun writing the screen-play, and those three are a team, so I seriously doubt that'll happen!... Work is beeing done on the sequel RIGHT NOW. this has been confirmed!

But Warners also HIRED (i.e. went out and commissioned) two writers to write a Justice League movie. Therefore, by your logic work is being done on that right now, as well.

Chances are Warners simply wants options on their table and has yet to make a decision until they see all of them.

[Qwerty©]

The bottom line is those who like the film believe a sequel will happen and those who dislike the film believe that it won't happen.

Sometimes I hope Justice League will happen instead and we find a middle ground that satisies both parties.

[Dark Knight]

Gotta say i at least expected SOME kind of news on SR2 at CC, very surprised we heard nothing.


we will not hear anything until the script is turned in to Horn.

Lets see it's being worked on currently. Sooooo I would guess perhaps a draft should be done by October at least?

[Naite22]

I love Superman Returns!... Yes, I also think it needed more hardcore action!... and yes, I also thought the plot was a weee bit thin.... But it truely didn't matter to me, cause the whole story was so beautifully told. It was superman in all his glory!.... and I for one can't ****ing wait to see the sequel, and I pray to God that it'll come out in 2009! The sequel most likely will surprise those who didn't like SR! Warner Bros, Singer, the writers Dan & Mike KNOWS what they need to do with the sequel, what the public wanted in SR and didn't get! Warners Bros demanded that the sequel was a lot more action-driven! That it was fast-paced, and not quite as long. I'm betting the sequel will be BIG!.... and I'm still hoping it'll be at least 2 hours long.

[Matt]

Gotta say i at least expected SOME kind of news on SR2 at CC, very surprised we heard nothing.

Whats really curious is Warners didn't even bother doing a panel with at least Routh or Bosworth or something. They are showing absolutely no support towards a sequel.

[Matt]

we will not hear anything until the script is turned in to Horn.

Lets see it's being worked on currently. Sooooo I would guess perhaps a draft should be done by October at least?

You don't have to hear something to know whether or not Warners is behind it. A simple Q&A with the cast would show that SR is still on Warners' agenda and they didn't even bother with that. Actions speak louder than words.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

we will not hear anything until the script is turned in to Horn.

Lets see it's being worked on currently. Sooooo I would guess perhaps a draft should be done by October at least?

Possibly, but i expect to hear something before then if it is happening.

Whats really curious is Warners didn't even bother doing a panel with at least Routh or Bosworth or something. They are showing absolutely no support towards a sequel.

I know what you mean, but i am also pretty sure that they had nothing for TDk at last years Con.

[Matt]

Possibly, but i expect to hear something before then if it is happening.



I know what you mean, but i am also pretty sure that they had nothing for TDk at last years Con.


Maybe not, but at that point they had already cast Ledger, announced a title, etc. There was clear progress being made. The same cannot be said for SR2.

[Dark Knight]

You don't have to hear something to know whether or not Warners is behind it. A simple Q&A with the cast would show that SR is still on Warners' agenda and they didn't even bother with that. Actions speak louder than words.


I know....but greenlighting a sequel this soon without seeing a script would be stupidity at it's finest by Horn and WB's. I would like to think that Horn is smarter than the heads at Fox studios.

[Dark Knight]

maybe Singer should get Chris McQuarrie.....the writer from The Usual Suspects to help write the sequel script?

[Super Kal]

I don't expect much anymore at this moment...

[Matt]

I know....but greenlighting a sequel this soon without seeing a script would be stupidity at it's finest by Horn and WB's. I would like to think that Horn is smarter than the heads at Fox studios.

They don't have to greenlight, but at the same time, they are at best impartial to SR and its possible sequel. Like I said, a little step like having WB sponsored Routh panel at SDCC would literally shut all of us "haters" up.

[Naite22]

The sequel should definitly bring back the sci-fi element that was more or less non-existent in SR.... and if Singer is smart, he'll incorporate the entire Krypton-sequence that was left out of SR in this sequel!!!

[Matt]

I wonder if the Krypton sequence will still be technologically relevant by 2009? Will something come along that completely outshines SR's technology by 2009 and thus make it cheaper to just scrap the entire Krypton sequence as opposed to fixing it?

[Naite22]

^ I seriously doubt it.... I just thought, since Superman will battle Kryptonian villain(s) in the sequel, it would be cool to see that Krypton-sequence in its full glory... Wasn't it so that Kal-El were surpose to bring something back with him in SR, when he returned to earth??? something that caught a ride with him back in his spaceship, without him knowing about it?? dont remember where I heard that this would be something they would incorporate in the sequel.

Also, it would be cool that if in the sequel, we would find out that Lex was the one who planted false evidence in the news about remains of Krypton beeing seen floating around in space, only to get superman to leave... just to stir things up.

[Matt]

^ I seriously doubt it.... I just thought, since Superman will battle Kryptonian villain(s) in the sequel, it would be cool to see that Krypton-sequence in its full glory... Wasn't it so that Kal-El were surpose to bring something back with him in SR, when he returned to earth??? something that caught a ride with him back in his spaceship, without him knowing about it?? dont remember where I heard that this would be something they would incorporate in the sequel.

I believe that was only speculation. The point is, if the sequence is no longer up to scratch (and there is a good chance because as someone has already pointed out there are massive leaps in effects monthly, now-a-days), Warners (who had already put 10 + million into making it, only to have it cut) may simply tell him no. They aren't going to re-do the effects for it.

[Excel]

Warners simply wants options on their table and has yet to make a decision until they see all of them.

Thats exactly what their doing, but their taking their sweet time and soon their hand will be forced with superman 2 prevailing for 2009.

[Naite22]

^ Let's hope so dude!:)

[buggs0268]

I know....but greenlighting a sequel this soon without seeing a script would be stupidity at it's finest by Horn and WB's. I would like to think that Horn is smarter than the heads at Fox studios.
Horn did it for SR. Greenlit without a script. Just a treatment.

[Lightning54SC]

Horn did it for SR. Greenlit without a script. Just a treatment.

that will never happen again after what he got...

[buggs0268]

I believe that was only speculation. The point is, if the sequence is no longer up to scratch (and there is a good chance because as someone has already pointed out there are massive leaps in effects monthly, now-a-days), Warners (who had already put 10 + million into making it, only to have it cut) may simply tell him no. They aren't going to re-do the effects for it.
I can't believe I am defending anything pro -SR, but that effects was shot largly with models by a small company with the genesis, so it is conceivable that they could re-use it. That is if a sequel is made which I think the wB is going to pass on.

[buggs0268]

Was the rant entirely necessary? The guy's probably 13.

Over half hate it? Despite usually winning the polls here and having a solid IMDb score?

Given the quote you yourself posted and Horn's statement about waiting for the script to be finished (So it means there is interest, otherwise he'd have told Singer and co. to piss off right off the bat). It sounds like he'd be interested if Singer pitched him an action packed $150 million sequel.
Go to IMDB and read the user comments. You will see that pretty much most of the comments talk about how it sucks. There are pages and pages of user comments saying it is a terrible movie to just being lame.

And that is studio speak for "We aren't really interested but at least show us what you got and we will decide." To me it looks like the start of a door out of the whole fiasco. Studios don't say those things about their properties unless they are not really intersted in doing it.

[Matt]

Thats exactly what their doing, but their taking their sweet time and soon their hand will be forced with superman 2 prevailing for 2009.

Its really not as desperate as it seems. They don't have to have a Superman movie in 2009.

[Dark Knight]

^ I seriously doubt it.... I just thought, since Superman will battle Kryptonian villain(s) in the sequel, it would be cool to see that Krypton-sequence in its full glory... Wasn't it so that Kal-El were surpose to bring something back with him in SR, when he returned to earth??? something that caught a ride with him back in his spaceship, without him knowing about it?? dont remember where I heard that this would be something they would incorporate in the sequel.

Also, it would be cool that if in the sequel, we would find out that Lex was the one who planted false evidence in the news about remains of Krypton beeing seen floating around in space, only to get superman to leave... just to stir things up.


Thats what I think also. They can use the Return to Krypton to show something attaching itself to Kal's ship or perhaps following him back to Earth. Kinda like how Boba Fett followed the Millenium Falcon from the left over trash heap in Empire Strikes Back.

Braniac or the Eradicator would be the obvious choices.

[Excel]

Its really not as desperate as it seems. They don't have to have a Superman movie in 2009.

Yes they do, if they want to have any chance at competing for the domestic crown. I said it before-they want 1 of the big 3 out once a year. Those are Bats, Supes, and Potter. You can depend on these films to do well i.e. 200 million +, ect.

Its gonna be supes 2 or jl in 2009; and their backing themselves into a corner. The JL script needs to be rwritten; so that wont be done till Otober, then its finding a suitable director then all the casting; and the preproduction like costumes, set designs and constructions, ect. needing to be done by may at the latest to film it for a summer 09 release.

Basically, a JL film would be, at this point, a rush production for sure. Rushed means more EXPENSIVE.

Or, Superman 2 script done in October, cast is good to go, director good to go, crew good to go, sets designed and some built...cameras roll in March-April.

It'll be their only real option soon.

[VenomsMom]

Thats what I think also. They can use the Return to Krypton to show something attaching itself to Kal's ship or perhaps following him back to Earth. Kinda like how Boba Fett followed the Millenium Falcon from the left over trash heap in Empire Strikes Back.

Braniac or the Eradicator would be the obvious choices.
What I see is probably something arising from the floating mass of Krypton in space or something finding it drifting around in space. I dont see any hitchhiking Brainiac or Darkseid catching a ride on his capsule. There is a reason those crystals were dropped on the island and launched into space.

[Naite22]

I'm really not hoping for a JL movie... it's too much at this point, seeing how Batman and Superman has just revived a franchise. Not to mention that The Flash is also in production (isn't it?). The part of the Flash is played by Ryan Reynolds as far as I can remember... These franchises should stand alone for a good amount of years, and THAN they can make JL movie... But no ****ing way will I be pleased if they choose to do a JL movie in 2009 instead of Superman 2!!!

[buggs0268]

They announced a director, and it may be being developed, but it is not in production. Ryan Reynold's wa a guarantee if the previous director, but not the new one. It is just in pre-production.

There was a girl who worked on the lot who had said that they were going to hold off on doing WW shortly before we learned that the JL script was commissioned. Now it is in Limbo. The only thing they got that is really making them happy right now is the JLA script. SR 2 is in development and not greenlit, meaning at any time they could cancel anything going forward and put all of their effort on JLA.

[Lighthouse]

Yes they do, if they want to have any chance at competing for the domestic crown. I said it before-they want 1 of the big 3 out once a year. Those are Bats, Supes, and Potter. You can depend on these films to do well i.e. 200 million +, ect.

Its gonna be supes 2 or jl in 2009; and their backing themselves into a corner. The JL script needs to be rwritten; so that wont be done till Otober, then its finding a suitable director then all the casting; and the preproduction like costumes, set designs and constructions, ect. needing to be done by may at the latest to film it for a summer 09 release.

Basically, a JL film would be, at this point, a rush production for sure. Rushed means more EXPENSIVE.

Or, Superman 2 script done in October, cast is good to go, director good to go, crew good to go, sets designed and some built...cameras roll in March-April.

It'll be their only real option soon.


They could be doing Shazam! I guess. Script is about done and Segal is all ready to go.

[mego joe]

Wow... Superman Returns haters are an idiot and pathetic. PERIOD.

I loved, loved Superman Returns, and I'm definitely going to look forward for the next sequel. Let's hope it'll happens in 2009.

Seriously, be glad we finally got Superman in the big screen and DVD last year. It has been like what? Over 20 years. I'm so happy that there is gonna be a sequel soon.

OK, so I should be happy I got ****?

No, that's not how it works.

If you liked SR that's great for you, but by no means should should anyone be happy just because they got a crappy Superman movie. Superman deserves better than crap.

Not so sure about that 'sequel soon.'

[Excel]

They could be doing Shazam! I guess. Script is about done and Segal is all ready to go.

Shazam! is not one of their big 3. If you recall, W.B. were PISSED they had to put potter in out summer 04 cause superman wasnt working out....well this time they have no potter to save em. They need to just hire me:o

[Naite22]

They announced a director, and it may be being developed, but it is not in production. Ryan Reynold's wa a guarantee if the previous director, but not the new one. It is just in pre-production.

There was a girl who worked on the lot who had said that they were going to hold off on doing WW shortly before we learned that the JL script was commissioned. Now it is in Limbo. The only thing they got that is really making them happy right now is the JLA script. SR 2 is in development and not greenlit, meaning at any time they could cancel anything going forward and put all of their effort on JLA.

I get what you're saying, I'm just saying that I DONT wanna see that happen! Not that I dont wanna see a JL movie some time, but not in 2009! I truely wanna see a 2'nd superman movie, and I dont want a JL movie to take over:(

[Sebastos]

I think a JLA film should happen after the Superman sequel.

[Naite22]

^ if that happens, then I'm fine with it! But dont they dare to take over so we wont see another superman movie in 2009!...

[Crook]

So is there anything else planned for summer of '09, asides from Avatar? Once those blocks start getting filled up without Supes, I think we can be sure we won't be seeing him in that season.

[Excel]

So is there anything else planned for summer of '09, asides from Avatar? Once those blocks start getting filled up without Supes, I think we can be sure we won't be seeing him in that season.
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=274900

[Matt]

Shazam! is not one of their big 3. If you recall, W.B. were PISSED they had to put potter in out summer 04 cause superman wasnt working out....well this time they have no potter to save em. They need to just hire me:o

You assume too much. They aren't that reliant on SR or BB. BB is a modest success with a limited demographic and TDK will be even more so as it is looking far more adult oriented. Warners knows that. There are other block busters. Hell, a comedy along the lines of Wedding Crashers could serve as a flag ship for their 2009 summer. They don't NEED SR or BB. Plus if they really want to, rushing Deathly Hallows seems far easier than taking a gamble on SR2 out of desparity (much like they did with SR) and facing losses because of it.

[buggs0268]

I get what you're saying, I'm just saying that I DONT wanna see that happen! Not that I dont wanna see a JL movie some time, but not in 2009! I truely wanna see a 2'nd superman movie, and I dont want a JL movie to take over:(
But it doesn't matter what you or I think. It is what the WB want to spend their money on that they feel will bring in more people into the theaters and be a tentpole franchise for them.

[dude love]

Isn't Shazam! a New Line production?

Go to IMDB and read the user comments. You will see that pretty much most of the comments talk about how it sucks. There are pages and pages of user comments saying it is a terrible movie to just being lame.

And that is studio speak for "We aren't really interested but at least show us what you got and we will decide." To me it looks like the start of a door out of the whole fiasco. Studios don't say those things about their properties unless they are not really intersted in doing it.

I have gone to IMDb, I'm always posting at IMDb, I have been for at least 5 years, more than half of those people couldn't construct a proper sentence to save their lives. It's not as many as you think though, alot of them are just annoyingly vocal and no where near as cordial or mature as the people who dislike it here. A group of three or four also go trolling the Burton Batman movie boards abusing everyone who prefers them over Begins.

Based on my experiences in the Batman, Superman, Alien, Predator, Star Wars, V For Vendetta, David Fincher and Quentin Tarantino boards I think Obi Wan Kenobi sums it up the best: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."

And that doesn't have any bearing on the tens upon tens of thousands who voted 6 or over anyway.

It's been quite a while, but the last time the comments page seemed 50-50 to me.

In regards to Horn, he had to at least be somewhat interested if he's letting them write a script, that he knows will take a long time to be written. Otherwise we'd already be seeing casting calls for Teen Titans or JLA.

[Pickle-El]

I think Horn wants Singer to deliver him the Superman script he KNOWS today's audiences expect now.....and he won't cave in this time. He's already blatantly said, "I'll give you another 175 million to make a sequel...but not without addressing the problems of the first film"

If, after this, Singer Dougherty/Harris can't deliver what Horn expects in this post-2007 summer-movie blockbuster battle, you go your separate ways. Horn knows Singer is very capable. Which is probably why he'd wait for him over a JLA project that could potentially ruin 1st and 2nd tier characters reputations at the box office. The mandating of the JLA script is a power move from the studio, if Singer can't see that's their way of telling him to step it up for a sequel...maybe he should just move along now and save everyone the time of waiting.

Personally, I'd rather that didn't happen.

[superbaby]

Whats really curious is Warners didn't even bother doing a panel with at least Routh or Bosworth or something. They are showing absolutely no support towards a sequel.
that scares me a little too. i thought they will let go superman all together.

[superbaby]

The sequel should definitly bring back the sci-fi element that was more or less non-existent in SR.... and if Singer is smart, he'll incorporate the entire Krypton-sequence that was left out of SR in this sequel!!!
you sure singer has the sci-fi kinda imagination? :cwink:

[TheBat812]

I think Horn wants Singer to deliver him the Superman script he KNOWS today's audiences expect now.....and he won't cave in this time. He's already blatantly said, "I'll give you another 175 million to make a sequel...but not without addressing the problems of the first film"

If, after this, Singer Dougherty/Harris can't deliver what Horn expects in this post-2007 summer-movie blockbuster battle, you go your separate ways. Horn knows Singer is very capable. Which is probably why he'd wait for him over a JLA project that could potentially ruin 1st and 2nd tier characters reputations at the box office. The mandating of the JLA script is a power move from the studio, if Singer can't see that's their way of telling him to step it up for a sequel...maybe he should just move along now and save everyone the time of waiting.

Personally, I'd rather that didn't happen.
Exactly. And, given Singer's track record, I"d say he's likely going to get the job. And I really hope he does. While SR wasn't perfect, it was a fantastic film.

[Excel]

You assume too much. They aren't that reliant on SR or BB. BB is a modest success with a limited demographic and TDK will be even more so as it is looking far more adult oriented. Warners knows that. There are other block busters. Hell, a comedy along the lines of Wedding Crashers could serve as a flag ship for their 2009 summer. They don't NEED SR or BB. Plus if they really want to, rushing Deathly Hallows seems far easier than taking a gamble on SR2 out of desparity (much like they did with SR) and facing losses because of it.

Umm...when your Warners, a comedy is NOT your tentpole film; the 1 movie of a year you depen on-can COUNT ON-a SHOE IN for a big gross-of an entire summer.

Flagship film comedy? Dude thats like, laughable, the only studio who does that recently is Universal and their the joke of the film industry.

This is a FACT: They want a big budget marketable film to bring them $$$ from all quandrants, and Supermans their only choice.

[Superman1314]

^ I seriously doubt it.... I just thought, since Superman will battle Kryptonian villain(s) in the sequel, it would be cool to see that Krypton-sequence in its full glory... Wasn't it so that Kal-El were surpose to bring something back with him in SR, when he returned to earth??? something that caught a ride with him back in his spaceship, without him knowing about it?? dont remember where I heard that this would be something they would incorporate in the sequel.

Also, it would be cool that if in the sequel, we would find out that Lex was the one who planted false evidence in the news about remains of Krypton beeing seen floating around in space, only to get superman to leave... just to stir things up.

Since we never saw that sequence, they could add to it..someone or rather, something (Brainiac) could attach it'self to the pod. That is how it/he could get to earth.

Also, they mentioned that in the book, the lex setting up the whole krypton thing to get Sups to leave. They use the dialogue in the book, after he explains that he set it all up, Lex says "You took 5 years of my life, I was just returning the favor". He was talking about Sups 5 year trek to find...nothing. He also says this in the movie, and it could very well be implied that that is what he was refering to. I thought so anyway.

[Justice Bringer]

I'm really not hoping for a JL movie... it's too much at this point, seeing how Batman and Superman has just revived a franchise. Not to mention that The Flash is also in production (isn't it?). The part of the Flash is played by Ryan Reynolds as far as I can remember... These franchises should stand alone for a good amount of years, and THAN they can make JL movie... But no ****ing way will I be pleased if they choose to do a JL movie in 2009 instead of Superman 2!!!

Ryan isnt up for The Flash anymore. Shaun Levy is doing his own thing different from Goyer...and Reynolds was David's choice. We may get a younger Wally West as Flash in this instead of Barry.

[Naite22]

Since we never saw that sequence, they could add to it..someone or rather, something (Brainiac) could attach it'self to the pod. That is how it/he could get to earth.

Also, they mentioned that in the book, the lex setting up the whole krypton thing to get Sups to leave. They use the dialogue in the book, after he explains that he set it all up, Lex says "You took 5 years of my life, I was just returning the favor". He was talking about Sups 5 year trek to find...nothing. He also says this in the movie, and it could very well be implied that that is what he was refering to. I thought so anyway.

See that is just badass!!! They can still incorporate it in he sequel:)

[Naite22]

But it doesn't matter what you or I think. It is what the WB want to spend their money on that they feel will bring in more people into the theaters and be a tentpole franchise for them.

I'm sure that a JL movie will happen sooner or later... But it aint gonna be in 2009... Superman and Batman has just revived their franchises and they need to stand on their own for a good amount of years, and they WILL... Besides, both Routh and Bale wouldn't wanna team up together in a JL movie just yet, cause as I said, it's too soon, and they would most likely think so too.... Than how about getting NEW actors to play Bats and Supes!?? NOOOOOOO! Big no-no! Let me put it this way, if Bale and Routh says no, or even just one of them, than they shouldn't do it at all! Routh IS Superman, and Bale is no doubt Batman! Without them, having others in the roles, it would just be like seeing two grown-ups "playing" Bats and Supes, but I for one wouldn't see them as Bats and Supes. If they're gonna melt together the Batman universe with Superman's, than they NEED to get Bale and Routh in the roles, otherwice I wont buy it. Wouldn't work...

But, in later years, IF Bale and Routh both says yes to team up for a JL (cause lets face it, they are the top heroes!) than I'd be exited! But without them, it seems stupid!

[Matt]

Umm...when your Warners, a comedy is NOT your tentpole film; the 1 movie of a year you depen on-can COUNT ON-a SHOE IN for a big gross-of an entire summer.

Flagship film comedy? Dude thats like, laughable, the only studio who does that recently is Universal and their the joke of the film industry.

This is a FACT: They want a big budget marketable film to bring them $$$ from all quandrants, and Supermans their only choice.

Yes, it can be. They do not need one big movie when they can have a series of smaller successful ones. Don't act like you aren't reporting what you want as opposed to what is. Warners isn't going to rush SR2, after they did it the first time with horrid results.

[Pickle-El]

Yes, it can be. They do not need one big movie when they can have a series of smaller successful ones. Don't act like you aren't reporting what you want as opposed to what is. Warners isn't going to rush SR2, after they did it the first time with horrid results.

I didn't realize the results were so horrid, WB would even think about spending another 175 million on a Bryan Singer directed Superman Returns sequel.

[Qwerty©]

I didn't realize the results were so horrid, WB would even think about spending another 175 million on a Bryan Singer directed Superman Returns sequel.That's a good point. 175 Million only seems low because of the previous films 204 Million budget (which I think was way too high), but it's actually a pretty solid budget for movies of this type.

[Matt]

I didn't realize the results were so horrid, WB would even think about spending another 175 million on a Bryan Singer directed Superman Returns sequel.

Last I checked nothing has been approved. All I am saying is, they were desperate to get something out, so they gave Singer full control, did not interfere and they did not get the results they wanted. Quit being so defensive. :whatever:

[Qwerty©]

Last I checked nothing has been approved. All I am saying is, they were desperate to get something out, so they gave Singer full control, did not interfere and they did not get the results they wanted. Quit being so defensive. :whatever:Matt, it looks like you should take your own advice because there was nothing about Pickle's post that has warranted this response.

[Naite22]

Yes, it can be. They do not need one big movie when they can have a series of smaller successful ones. Don't act like you aren't reporting what you want as opposed to what is. Warners isn't going to rush SR2, after they did it the first time with horrid results.

It's funny, cause if there's anything that SR WASN'T, it was rushed!!! It had all the time in the world, and it took the time in the world to get to the big-screen. And still things like the opening looked rushed!... something I dont get!

[Matt]

It's funny, cause if there's anything that SR WASN'T, it was rushed!!! It had all the time in the world, and it took the time in the world to get to the big-screen. And still things like the opening looked rushed!... something I dont get!

Of course it was rushed. After the McG/Abrahams/Ratner/McG again fiasco, Warners was so desperate to get something on screen they pretty much gave Singer a blank check, full control, and told him to just pop something out. That is what I meant by rushing.

[Matt]

Matt, it looks like you should take your own advice because there was nothing about Pickle's post that has warranted this response.

What response? I explained what I meant and told him not be so sensetive and defensive. Not as if I insulted his mother or something.

[Pickle-El]

You actually believe they didn't know what Singer was doing from November 2004 to June 2006? Now, that's funny....

You're right nothing has been approved. But a number was still thrown out in the middle of this whole 'If there's a sequel' fiasco. Which, your side of the fence will ignore in favor of 'Why they should remove Singer and start anew' posts.

You're speculation is no more relevant than mine, quit acting like you know what's going on more than anyone else. :o

[Naite22]

That's a good point. 175 Million only seems low because of the previous films 204 Million budget (which I think was way too high), but it's actually a pretty solid budget for movies of this type.

It's a VERY solid budget!
Here's my bet! The next superman movie will LOOK a lot more expensive than SR did... They know that the main thing will be incorporating a hell of a lot more action, and with supervillains this time around, it shouldn't be a problem! They can make it look absolutely HUUUUGE if they're smart about it! Cut a wee bit down on the fancy sets, to start with! People can say what they want about a director like Michael Bay... But just look at what he did with a budget of 130mill within TransFormers!... Each of the Lord of the Rings movies costs 150mill... The sequel to Superman Returns will cost 175mill (maybe a bit more, who knows). That's 25mill MORE than one of the LOTR's movies! And remembering what was seen in Return of the King, the Supes-sequel could look WIIILD! Depends on how they choose to spend the money they're given!

[Pickle-El]

Matt, it looks like you should take your own advice because there was nothing about Pickle's post that has warranted this response.

Don't worry about it, somehow I tend to make that 'side' of the argument angry for some reason....it's not like I'm making fun of his avatar or anything. ;)

[Matt]

You actually believe they didn't know what Singer was doing from November 2004 to June 2006? Now, that's funny....


Of course not, but they weren't exactly demanding like most studios, hell, I don't think Warners tried to exercise any control over the movie.


You're right nothing has been approved. But a number was still thrown out in the middle of this whole 'If there's a sequel' fiasco. Which, your side of the fence will ignore in favor of 'Why they should remove Singer and start anew' posts.

You're speculation is no more relevant than mine, quit acting like you know what's going on more than anyone else. :o

I never said I did. In fact, I constantly say quite the opposite. That no one knows what is going on so we should all probably just shut up to avoid eating our words.

[Pickle-El]

:dry:

[GreenKToo]

yep, nobody knows whats gonna happen.

Personally, my money is on a J.L. film happening instead, but if we got a S.R. sequel, that would be great too.

[Naite22]

^ We'll get both!!! at some point... but no way will a JL movie happen BEFORE we see at least another superman sequel... and I'm hoping to see the sequel in 2009, just the rest.

[Matt]

^ We'll get both!!! at some point... but no way will a JL movie happen BEFORE we see at least another superman sequel... and I'm hoping to see the sequel in 2009, just the rest.

Well, being as Warners commissioned a script for JLA, they must atleast entertaining the idea, so there clearly is some chance it will happen before SR2.

[Qwerty©]

^ We'll get both!!! at some point... but no way will a JL movie happen BEFORE we see at least another superman sequel... and I'm hoping to see the sequel in 2009, just the rest.I have my doubts. Anything can happen at this point. WB is waiting for something to help them make their decision... but what is it?

[Naite22]

^... I hope not... not if its at the expense of not seeing a supes sequel in 2009. I WANT THAT!!!

[Lighthouse]

I have my doubts. Anything can happen at this point. WB is waiting for something to help them make their decision... but what is it?

Insurance. They want something to make sure there investment is going to see returns. That could be an amazing script, or possibly really big casting for the new villian. If Singer could cast someone like Tom Cruise as Brainiac, then I think they'd greenlight it in no time. (I'm not saying I want Tom Cruise in the movie, I was just using him as an example because he's working with Singer right now).

[Matt]

I have my doubts. Anything can happen at this point. WB is waiting for something to help them make their decision... but what is it?

My money is honestly on the buzz created by The Incredible Hulk. Like it or not, the two scenarios are very very comprable. We will likely see a trailer either in the winter or at least with the super bowl. They will be able to do market studies, pick up on the buzz created by it, etc. Then they will be able to make their call with plenty of time to get either a late summer or winter release in 2009.

[Qwerty©]

Insurance. They want something to make sure there investment is going to see returns. That could be an amazing script, or possibly really big casting for the new villian. If Singer could cast someone like Tom Cruise as Brainiac, then I think they'd greenlight it in no time. (I'm not saying I want Tom Cruise in the movie, I was just using him as an example because he's working with Singer right now).
Obviously. But what is this insurance? WB likes Singers ideas, because they greenlit SR and entrusted him with 200 million. So they aren't waiting for Singer to dazzle them. They were pleased with JLA's script.. but there has been no development. So what is stopping them from choosing one? Obviously they are waiting for something else to show them which will be more profitable.

[GreenKToo]

Well, being as Warners commissioned a script for JLA, they must atleast entertaining the idea, so there clearly is some chance it will happen before SR2.

:up: thats my point. All i'm saying is that for the guys that have their hearts set on a S.R. sequel, you need to at least prepare for the possibility that a J.L. film *MAY* happen instead.

[Qwerty©]

My money is honestly on the buzz created by The Incredible Hulk. Like it or not, the two scenarios are very very comprable. We will likely see a trailer either in the winter or at least with the super bowl. They will be able to do market studies, pick up on the buzz created by it, etc. Then they will be able to make their call with plenty of time to get either a late summer or winter release in 2009.So if The Incredible Hulk is well received, then we might get a Superman reboot which promises more action. If we are lucky, we'll get a film that pleases everyone, but there is a risk of the film being terrible, but that's true for all movies.

However, lets say a Hulk reboot is not well received.. would we get a sequel instead? Will Justice League be put in production? Or worst case scenario.. nothing at all?

[Qwerty©]

:up: thats my point. All i'm saying is that for the guys that have their hearts set on a S.R. sequel, you need to at least prepare for the possibility that a J.L. film *MAY* happen instead.A JL fim with Superman in it is better than nothing. At least there is a chance Routh could reprise his role.

[GreenKToo]

I must say that the Hulk concept art looks miles better than the Hulk did in the first film, IMHO.
Its a good start, no doubt.

[Matt]

So if The Incredible Hulk is well received, then we might get a Superman reboot which promises more action. If we are lucky, we'll get a film that pleases everyone, but there is a risk of the film being terrible, but that's true for all movies.

However, lets say a Hulk reboot is not well received.. would we get a sequel instead? Will Justice League be put in production? Or worst case scenario.. nothing at all?

Thats the million dollar question, isn't it? What if market studies reveal there is practically no interest among the general public in seeing another Hulk movie so soon and they are still feeling sour from Ang Lee's? Then what? Probably more market studies, see what the public wants, if Singer can deliver it, if JLA can deliver it, etc. I personally think they'd go with an action packed Justice League movie, because even though there would be a huge risk involved (just as there would be with a reboot or SR2)...if it doesn't pay off, they have at least laid down the ground work for 3 or 4 smaller budget spin-off movies. Where as if SR2 or a reboot doesn't pay off, they are pretty much just S.O.O.L.

[Crook]

So if The Incredible Hulk is well received, then we might get a Superman reboot which promises more action. If we are lucky, we'll get a film that pleases everyone, but there is a risk of the film being terrible, but that's true for all movies.

However, lets say a Hulk reboot is not well received.. would we get a sequel instead? Will Justice League be put in production? Or worst case scenario.. nothing at all?
Hopefully the first scenario.

I wasn't thrilled with it at first, but they do have a great cast. And I was ecstatic when Norton has script reigns, that can only mean good. I haven't seen one bad movie this guy has been in, so maybe WB will wisen up once Hulk get's some buzz.

My only real fear, is that ILM isn't doing the effects. Imo they did a great job with the first film, and are undoubtedly the pioneer for groundbreaking sfx. Not sure if a second/third-tier effects company can surpass that, or even come up to par with the first film's cgi.

[Qwerty©]

I wasn't thrilled with it at first, but they do have a great cast. And I was ecstatic when Norton has script reigns, that can only mean good. I haven't seen one bad movie this guy has been in, so maybe WB will wisen up once Hulk get's some buzz.

That's a point.. If Hulk is well received due to Edward Norton, I hope WB doesn't take it the wrong way and shoehorn big names into a Superman reboot.. I don't want to see someone like Tom Cruise as Superman.

[Crook]

I don't think Norton is much of a name though. Sure, everyone knows him, but he's not an A-list celeb.

If WB wanted to guy higher on the recognizability factor, maybe Cavaziel has a shot at the role again! :eek:

Lol, or not. But I would love to see him get it though. He has all the acting chops and was campaigning for the role hard.

[Qwerty©]

I don't think Norton is much of a name though. Sure, everyone knows him, but he's not an A-list celeb.

If WB wanted to guy higher on the recognizability factor, maybe Cavaziel has a shot at the role again! :eek:

Lol, or not. But I would love to see him get it though. He has all the acting chops and was campaigning for the role hard.I was exaggerating a bit. But still, the fear is there.

And I wanted Cavaziel for Superman back in the day :up:

[Dark Knight]

I was exaggerating a bit. But still, the fear is there.

And I wanted Cavaziel for Superman back in the day :up:


yeah....I still think Singer made a mistake by not casting Caviezel. Caviezel would have been amazing as Supes.

[Crook]

It really didn't matter.

Supes/Clark had basically no development and lines. I'm glad Jim didn't get it for this particular film. Wouldn't have fully taken advantage of his skill.

[Excel]

Yes, it can be. They do not need one big movie when they can have a series of smaller successful ones. Don't act like you aren't reporting what you want as opposed to what is. Warners isn't going to rush SR2, after they did it the first time with horrid results.

You think Hollywoods far too simple.

You cant depend on a series of smaller, successful ones. Hows W.B.'s License to Wed doing? Hows W.B.'s Lucky You doing?

Those are smaller comedies in summer, how did they do?

You cant greenlight 3 comedies and expect them all to be hits. Not too mention, they dont sell merchandise, video games, ect. You cannot deny that. W.B.'s last big budget attempts at non franchise summer films were

-POSEIDON
-TROY
-THE DUKES OF HAZZARD
-LADY IN THE WATER

^Those all worked out better than superman, right?:whatever:

1 Superman film is a lock to decent money + merchandise. Any other film involved a far bigger risk.

I dont know what I want, I am really fine with anything really; more of a wait n see approach, but I am not stretching the truth and what I say is logical in Hollywood.

This SR bashings gone far enough. "Horrid results"? Superman was not even a bomb, let alone "horrid". HULK was "horrid". Supermans far from that; even if you didnt like the film dont spin the numbers. It was dissappointing given what people thought it could do...but this was no bomb.

But W.B. need a supes movie out in 2009. Everything else they try to do outside of franchises fails. SUPERMAN 2 or JL. Its a matter of time before we see which 1 prevails. My moneys on Singers Superman.

[Dark Knight]

It really didn't matter.

Supes/Clark had basically no development and lines. I'm glad Jim didn't get it for this particular film. Wouldn't have fully taken advantage of his skill.


Maybe Singer can cast him as the Eradicator in the sequel? IF he is even in the script of course. Then again....I want Caviezel as Hal Jordan also.

[matthooper]

This SR bashings gone far enough. "Horrid results"? Superman was not even a bomb, let alone "horrid". HULK was "horrid". Supermans far from that; even if you didnt like the film dont spin the numbers. It was dissappointing given what people thought it could do...but this was no bomb.


A movies success or failure is based on expectations. We don't have to spin anything. The film fell a minimum $200 million worldwide short of the studios expectations. Nobody with any sense of numbers thinks it was a bomb, it wasn't. But nothing has to be spun. It was a major dissapointment.

It feels like the Singerlovers have finally eclipsed the Singerhaters as the most deluded. Do people not understand that Rush Hour 2 and My Big Fat Greek wedding made more than Superman Returns. Don't tell me that Pirates cut into the money. It's irrelevant, that may be a reason, but it's irrelevant. How can the box office be looked at as anything but a major dissapointment. One only has to look at the state of the franchise to see how the studio feels. No word, no greenlight yet. It's not to say there won;t be a sequel. But non-actions speak louder than words. The studio is pissed, and they are not sure what to do.

...and that is just the numbers. Even if most people liked the film as the defenders love to point out, most people didn't love it. 99% of the people are completely apathetic about any Superman Returns sequel. No one knows the future of the franchise. All the whining by the lovers and all the whining by the lovers can't change the status of the film, which is in limbo. They know the pulse of the people, and they know that there is little interest.

That said, if they can make a cheap film, they might go ahead. Cheap being relative, $170 million for a Superman film would certainly make me worry. Stealth cost $140 million, and look what we got. If they are going to cut corners to make a Superman film, like The Fantastic Four, do you really want it?

[Qwerty©]

Even if most people liked the film as the defenders love to point out, most people didn't love it.This sentence makes no sense.

99% of the people are completely apathetic about any Superman Returns sequel.Where did you get that percentage from? Stealth cost $140 million, and look what we got.Transformers cost $150 Million, and look what we got.

[matthooper]

This sentence makes no sense.


Fine, everyone loved it, it was a huge success and will spawn 10 sequels. When your head comes out of the sand and you actually look at general publics reactions and thoughts instead of thinking your feelings are everyone's we'll talk.

The public didn't love it because it didn't do well. Movies that do huge business are loved. That's why it makes sense.

Look what we got with Transformers? What was that, a headache inducing void of a film with a middle section that could put an insomniac to sleep. Transformers was all CGI and no bite. $150 million goes far in a vapid piece of crap. Superman needs sets, art direction, real money for real effects. You can't compare the two. My Stealth analogy was a poor one as well.

[Qwerty©]

Fine, everyone loved it, it was a huge success and will spawn 10 sequels. When your head comes out of the sand and you actually look at general publics reactions and thoughts instead of thinking your feelings are everyone's we'll talk.You're silly.

I was referring to the way you contradicted yourself in the sentence, by the way. I wasn't saying anything about the film.

Look what we got with Transformers? What was that, a headache inducing void of a film with a middle section that could put an insomniac to sleep. Transformers was all CGI and no bite. $150 million goes far in a vapid piece of crap. Superman needs sets, art direction, real money for real effects. You can't compare the two. My Stealth analogy was a poor one as well.Transformers was phenomenal. You just have bad taste in movies.

[Crook]

Look what we got with Transformers? What was that, a headache inducing void of a film with a middle section that could put an insomniac to sleep. Transformers was all CGI and no bite. $150 million goes far in a vapid piece of crap. Superman needs sets, art direction, real money for real effects. You can't compare the two. My Stealth analogy was a poor one as well.
I think his point was that even with a budget of 50+ million less, Transformers put all of that to good use on screen. Regardless of what you think about the film, it provided some groundbreaking effects.

This is something that not even SR could provide, even with it's monstrous budget.

[gimmen64]

I can't comprehend how much crap we agrue about....seriously its only like 20 of us that keep posting ......and I love! So many great ideas and so many points. This place has more action than any of movies released this past year.

[Excel]

Hoops generally right...except nobody is saying "everyone loved it!" but there ARE people saying the majority "hated" it, its numbers were "horrid", ect.

The fact is, most are impartial to it. The far majority LIKED IT; but thats why it was dissappointing. They wanted to LOVE it. One reviewer summed the general audiences perception perfectly:

"Its hard to deny that its a good film, but just isnt quite the slam dunk you want it to be".

All that means to a studio is do it again, but more careful. The # of returns likers outnumber the # of returns hater 5 to 1...the haters are just being more vocal about it.

Thats why the poeple who think were not getting supes in 09 cause returns was such a failure, was so loathed by everybody; are just simply delusional.

Theres a fine line between liking and loving, and theres a fine line between being dissappointed and hating something; a lot of people here are just not able to see that.

[FlawlessVictory]

Transformers cost $150 Million, and look what we got.

Excellent point.

Transformers was phenomenal. You just have bad taste in movies.

Agreed. :trans:

[Excel]

Supermans fx do not work like transformers. How often do you see a huge robot fighting in the middle of the city? Never, so while the effects were awesome, we wouldnt instantly be able to tell if they were fake.

We see men everyday, thus wed know instantly if Superman was fake or not.

[Naite22]

^also, the transformers are not organic objects! they're giant metal looking machines! something that CGI has progressed enough these days to dublicate damn near perfection!... Superman is a human, well human looking, and human skin is NOT possible to make look absolutely real...YET. Creating a CGI 100% believable superman is a MUCH tougher task than creating transformers! People need to uderstand this!

[Venom'sDad]

This sentence makes no sense.

Where did you get that percentage from? Transformers cost $150 Million, and look what we got.

I think his point was that even with a budget of 50+ million less, Transformers put all of that to good use on screen. Regardless of what you think about the film, it provided some groundbreaking effects.

This is something that not even SR could provide, even with it's monstrous budget.

^also, the transformers are not organic objects! they're giant metal looking machines! something that CGI has progressed enough these days to dublicate damn near perfection!... Superman is a human, well human looking, and human skin is NOT possible to make look absolutely real...YET. Creating a CGI 100% believable superman is a MUCH tougher task than creating transformers! People need to uderstand this!


All are great points and agree totally. :up:

I also like the pace of Transformers and hoping WB take notice.

[Thunder Emperor]

Hoops generally right...except nobody is saying "everyone loved it!" but there ARE people saying the majority "hated" it, its numbers were "horrid", ect.

The fact is, most are impartial to it. The far majority LIKED IT; but thats why it was dissappointing. They wanted to LOVE it. One reviewer summed the general audiences perception perfectly:

"Its hard to deny that its a good film, but just isnt quite the slam dunk you want it to be".

All that means to a studio is do it again, but more careful. The # of returns likers outnumber the # of returns hater 5 to 1...the haters are just being more vocal about it.

Thats why the poeple who think were not getting supes in 09 cause returns was such a failure, was so loathed by everybody; are just simply delusional.

Theres a fine line between liking and loving, and theres a fine line between being dissappointed and hating something; a lot of people here are just not able to see that.



I beg to defer my friend. Most people thought it was a terrible superman movie, and that is the most important thing.

[Excel]

I beg to defer my friend. Most people thought it was a terrible superman movie, and that is the most important thing.

"Most"??

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=237842&highlight=superman+rate

^well, most means majority...and "terrible"...thats 2 and under, on the scale

9-10. Excellent - A
7-8. Good - B
5-6. Average - C
3-4. Poor - D
1-2. Terrible - F

Thats about 8% gave it "terrible".

8% is FAR from "most", infact about 3 1/2 as many gave it a 10/10; but nice try.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0348150/ratings

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_returns/

And yeah, it wasn't just Superman fans either who liked it. :rolleyes:

Its one thing to have an opinion; its another to blindly misinterpret facts and opinions to prove your point. Nobody is saying "most loved it" cause that not true, but it more accurate than "most thought it was terrible".

So seriously, if you "beg" to differ, why not have an argument that can be backed up by things that come from places other than your ass.

[buggs0268]

"Most"??

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=237842&highlight=superman+rate

^well, most means majority...and "terrible"...thats 2 and under, on the scale

9-10. Excellent - A
7-8. Good - B
5-6. Average - C
3-4. Poor - D
1-2. Terrible - F

Thats about 8% gave it "terrible".

8% is FAR from "most", infact about 3 1/2 as many gave it a 10/10; but nice try.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0348150/ratings

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_returns/

And yeah, it wasn't just Superman fans either who liked it. :rolleyes:

Its one thing to have an opinion; its another to blindly misinterpret facts and opinions to prove your point. Nobody is saying "most loved it" cause that not true, but it more accurate than "most thought it was terrible".

So seriously, if you "beg" to differ, why not have an argument that can be backed up by things that come from places other than your ass.
That is on a superhero board. Go to the general audience. I know you guys claim it is so high rated at imdb.com, but go and read the user comments on it. I got so sick of hearing how it ranked so high on that site that I went in and read the user comments. There are a lot of pages, and most people did not like it. They think it was boring at best, or stunk at the worst. And I would say the people who didn't like it far eclipse the people who did in the user comments.

[buggs0268]

I beg to defer my friend. Most people thought it was a terrible superman movie, and that is the most important thing.
Thunder Emperor. My Brotha from another motha! How goes it?

[Excel]

That is on a superhero board. Go to the general audience. I know you guys claim it is so high rated at imdb.com, but go and read the user comments on it. I got so sick of hearing how it ranked so high on that site that I went in and read the user comments. There are a lot of pages, and most people did not like it. They think it was boring at best, or stunk at the worst. And I would say the people who didn't like it far eclipse the people who did in the user comments.

Not everybody comments, but everybody votes.

[superbaby]

yeah....I still think Singer made a mistake by not casting Caviezel. Caviezel would have been amazing as Supes.
that's a horrible idea. however his appearance fits perfectly for singer's SR story.

[Justice Bringer]

That is on a superhero board. Go to the general audience. I know you guys claim it is so high rated at imdb.com, but go and read the user comments on it. I got so sick of hearing how it ranked so high on that site that I went in and read the user comments. There are a lot of pages, and most people did not like it. They think it was boring at best, or stunk at the worst. And I would say the people who didn't like it far eclipse the people who did in the user comments.

The IMDB boards are loaded with spamming and trolling from the same users though; not very reliable for making any intelligent assumptions.

Check out the USER rating for Superman Returns on RT.com

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_returns/reviews_users.php

Its probably a more reliable way of gauging general movie-going audience reaction overall. 76% is a fair rating. Nothing near the first Spider-man but a decent start for the \S/ franchaise.

Also; its pretty much in line with the SHH ratings poll as well.

[Qwerty©]

That is on a superhero board. Go to the general audience. I know you guys claim it is so high rated at imdb.com, but go and read the user comments on it. I got so sick of hearing how it ranked so high on that site that I went in and read the user comments. There are a lot of pages, and most people did not like it. They think it was boring at best, or stunk at the worst. And I would say the people who didn't like it far eclipse the people who did in the user comments.Probably because those with bad things to say are more vocal. Especially when it comes to the internet.

[Thunder Emperor]

"Most"??

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=237842&highlight=superman+rate

^well, most means majority...and "terrible"...thats 2 and under, on the scale

9-10. Excellent - A
7-8. Good - B
5-6. Average - C
3-4. Poor - D
1-2. Terrible - F

Thats about 8% gave it "terrible".

8% is FAR from "most", infact about 3 1/2 as many gave it a 10/10; but nice try.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0348150/ratings

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_returns/

And yeah, it wasn't just Superman fans either who liked it. :rolleyes:

Its one thing to have an opinion; its another to blindly misinterpret facts and opinions to prove your point. Nobody is saying "most loved it" cause that not true, but it more accurate than "most thought it was terrible".

So seriously, if you "beg" to differ, why not have an argument that can be backed up by things that come from places other than your ass.


I understand you measure of judge meant which I deem correct. But on the basis of box -office measurements as well as the current state of fan base division. I wasn't blindly stating out of my ass ( was actually at work so I could finish my post).
or the gold standard of what superman is as a character , the movie is an uttermost failure. Failure to portray superman as the character he is, failure to show the attributes of superman's persona. Failure to show what the superman mythology is about and consist of. As an elseworld story , yeah its ok. As a superman story it is weak.

[Thunder Emperor]

Thunder Emperor. My Brotha from another motha! How goes it?



good my man, back for a moment. I am really glad the sequel is in limo. So that singer gets fired and we get a proper take on the character. It's safe to say singer knows nothing about superman. Who he is as a character and what he stands for. :o

[Qwerty©]

good my man, back for a moment. I am really glad the sequel is in limo. So that singer gets fired and we get a proper take on the character. It's safe to say singer knows nothing about superman. Who he is as a character and what he stands for. :o
That's not a guarantee.

[dude love]

Probably because those with bad things to say are more vocal. Especially when it comes to the internet.

Not only that, if you go to the MOS page on IMDB, everyone there is looking forward to it. It looks like a case of everyone who liked SR moved on and left everyone who didn't behind.