Another touchy subject

[Chris Wallace]

It really bothers me that when a white entertainer gets in trouble with the law, (see Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan) they're disgraced & lambasted, but when a black entertainer does it (see Lil' Kim, R. Kelly) their popularity seems to skyrocket. I know the real reason; ours is a culture that glorifies crime. We bandy about words like "thug", "hustler" & "pimp" like they're badges of honor. But at the same time we regard those among us who seek to better ourselves through hard work and education as skind of traitors.
It's sick.

:trans:

[KenK]

We do it to ourselves, we do, and that's why it really hurts.

[SoulManX]

We do it to ourselves, we do, and that's why it really hurts.

Look at who most young blacks look at as "heroes."

Scarface

The Godfather

Carlito's Way

Well you get the picture...

[Docker2.0]

Agree Mr. Wallace! It disgust me at what goes on in the black community and what we classify as "heroes". R.Kelly is caught on tape messing underage girls, even married Aaliyah when she was 15 but yet he's still considered a hero! Oprah, as much as I can't really relate to her, well........I won't get started on my opinion about gangsta rap and the ignorant people who find ways to justify it when those same rappers won't even live in the neighborhoods they claim to "rep". :rolleyes:

[Golgo-13]

Yeah, O.J did but we cheered when he got off because we considered it pay back for a justice system that had been sssssoooo wrong to us, for ssssooo long.

R Kelly's case is the most bothersome to me. He hasn't even gone to trial yet and it's been at least 4 years since this 'pedophile', that has thousands of legally aged woman begging to suck him off at every show he performs at, decided to seduce a child. Sick.

[Docker2.0]

Black people are the only people who can get arrested on Monday and on Friday win a NAACP award.

[tzarinna]

Theory: Because it's so difficult to advance many see crime as an easy way to get a taste of the "good life".

[terry78]

I agree, but let's be careful how we tread with this thread, as I'm sure moronic trolls will be looking for ammo to make racist remarks for no reason.

When it comes to Michael Vick, that's more in line with something anyone would do, and both white and black fans are pissed at him for that one because he's been one of those crossover celebs for a while.

[Manic]

Didn't Roman Polanski, who also diddled a little girl, win an Oscar a few years ago? I don't know what's wrong with our society, but celebrity child molesters/statutory rapists seem to get away with an awful lot.

[SoulManX]

Didn't Roman Polanski, who also diddled a little girl, win an Oscar a few years ago? I don't know what's wrong with our society, but celebrity child molesters/statutory rapists seem to get away with an awful lot.

:oVery true.

[Triadkd]

The smell of uncle toms in the morning. OP you sound like a white middle aged housewife. The only people who glorify gangsters/drug dealers are whites/******s. Black america does not care about goodfellas,godfather, and carlito's way. Why would we look up to a bunch of fat white racist criminals? I am assuming all of your friends are white? Try talking to young blacks instead of making blanket statements. Most of them are just trying to make money. And what planet do you live on? The only white celebrity to get in any significant amount of trouble was paris hilton. All of the other whites just skated off into the sunset. What about OJ? He was found innocent and people still treat him like a criminal. And then whites complain about the duke lacross case. You can bash blacks all you want, but when your gone they still call you a ******. Believe me I know.

[terry78]

^Well, that was a bit long winded, but I do somewhat feel that the media takes those few that act like morons and makes it seem like we all enjoy that negativity, when most of us don't.

[SoulManX]

The smell of uncle toms in the morning. OP you sound like a white middle aged housewife. The only people who glorify gangsters/drug dealers are whites/******s. Black america does not care about goodfellas,godfather, and carlito's way. Why would we look up to a bunch of fat white racist criminals? I am assuming all of your friends are white? Try talking to young blacks instead of making blanket statements. Most of them are just trying to make money. And what planet do you live on? The only white celebrity to get in any significant amount of trouble was paris hilton. All of the other whites just skated off into the sunset. What about OJ? He was found innocent and people still treat him like a criminal. And then whites complain about the duke lacross case. You can bash blacks all you want, but when your gone they still call you a ******. Believe me I know.

:whatever:

[KenK]

The smell of uncle toms in the morning. OP you sound like a white middle aged housewife. The only people who glorify gangsters/drug dealers are whites/******s.

How naive are you?!? Watch any epsides of MTV Cribs with a black rapper or Athlete, nine times outta ten, Sacreface is in their movie collection, and they've got a thirty-foot poster in their living room. Look at 50 Cent's dumb ass! The man was shot nine times and whereas most people, smart people, would reflect on how he came to be in that situation, puts out his first album wearing a gun holster and brandishing a glock!

I am assuming all of your friends are white? Try talking to young blacks instead of making blanket statements.

You're making them as well.

[SoulManX]

Not to mention going to any hip hop clothing store he is on shirts, jeans, hats etc.

Yea young black males don't look up to Scarface.

[DorkyFresh]

It really bothers me that when a white entertainer gets in trouble with the law, (see Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan) they're disgraced & lambasted, but when a black entertainer does it (see Lil' Kim, R. Kelly) their popularity seems to skyrocket.

i chalk it up to black males idolizing Scarface (famous for being infamous)...

...art imitates life imitates art imitates life, etc...

[MaskedManJRK]

Yeah, O.J did but we cheered when he got off because we considered it pay back for a justice system that had been sssssoooo wrong to us, for ssssooo long.

R Kelly's case is the most bothersome to me. He hasn't even gone to trial yet and it's been at least 4 years since this 'pedophile', that has thousands of legally aged woman begging to suck him off at every show he performs at, decided to seduce a child. Sick.

Yeah, serously, when is this overrated bastard getting his day in court? You'd think the Honkie-controlled court system would have kept a tight leash around his ass and give him the prison sentence he, quite frankly, deserves.

The conspiracy-theorist in me thinks it might be a plot by The Man to keep him around so as to further the bad stereotype of the black community. But, like I said, conspiracy theory, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. :ninja:

Didn't Roman Polanski, who also diddled a little girl, win an Oscar a few years ago? I don't know what's wrong with our society, but celebrity child molesters/statutory rapists seem to get away with an awful lot.

Yeah, Polanski was f**ked up. I mean, I love Chinatown as much as the next man, but that doesn't excuse what he did.

I will say this, however: There's more evidence against R. Kelly then for Polanski.

Polanski only has one credible witness to the whole affair, R. Kelly was recorded on film doing it, doing everything from showing his social security card while pissing in the girls mouth, to identifying birthmarks whilest eating her ass. :o

[KenK]

Speaking of OJ, anyone find it odd that Kim Kardasian, whose father was part of OJ's defense team, was at a charity event for the charity against domestic violence started by Nicole Brown's sister?!?!

[SoulManX]

Speaking of OJ, anyone find it odd that Kim Kardasian, whose father was part of OJ's defense team, was at a charity event for the charity against domestic violence started by Nicole Brown's sister?!?!

:ninja:

[PyroChamber]

I almost find it funny how Scarface was suppose to be a movie about the drugs can do to you, like an anti-drug movie; yet some brothas see it only as a rags-to-riches story. Like that's the only way to be successful.

I'd like to say how I really feel about some black folks, but I'll just keep that to myself.

[terry78]

I almost find it funny how Scarface was suppose to be a movie about the drugs can do to you, like an anti-drug movie; yet some brothas see it only as a rags-to-riches story. Like that's the only way to be successful.

I'd like to say how I really feel about some black folks, but I'll just keep that to myself.


Anytime my dad sees something in the media like that, he looks at my mom and is like, "that's your people at work." She's like, "they're your people too." And he responds with, "nope, I'm half Indian." :oldrazz: They always verbally spar like that.

[PyroChamber]

Anytime my dad sees something in the media like that, he looks at my mom and is like, "that's your people at work." She's like, "they're your people too." And he responds with, "nope, I'm half Indian." :oldrazz: They always verbally spar like that.That's pretty much it. As much as I love being a black man in this country, sometimes I can't stand black people. While most of us are out here trying to do our thing and live a good life and not have people look at us a certain way, there's always that percentage that **** everything up for the rest of us therefore making us all look bad.

[KenK]

I love black people. I just hate n****s.

[terry78]

I love black people. I just hate n****s.

True enough, but unfortunately some people can't tell the difference between us and we're all the latter.

[PyroChamber]

I love black people. I just hate n****s.You know was really crazy about that, ever since Chris Rock said that there are some white folks who think this makes it ok to say the N word because they "know the difference".

I've actually heard some white folks say the N word when I was around and then be quick to say "I'm not talking about all black people, just the n****s".

[MaskedManJRK]

I almost find it funny how Scarface was suppose to be a movie about the drugs can do to you, like an anti-drug movie; yet some brothas see it only as a rags-to-riches story. Like that's the only way to be successful.

I'd like to say how I really feel about some black folks, but I'll just keep that to myself.

Less of a "rags-to-riches" story, more of a rags-to-riches-to getting your ass blown off by Cuban drug-smugglers story, but yeah, I see your point.

If you're going to love the movie, love it for it's cheesy-as-hell 80's music and Pachino's over-the-top performance, don't make it your bloody inspiration. :whatever:

[PyroChamber]

Less of a "rags-to-riches" story, more of a rags-to-riches-to getting your ass blown off by Cuban drug-smugglers story, but yeah, I see your point.

If you're going to love the movie, love it for it's cheesy-as-hell 80's music and Pachino's over-the-top performance, don't make it your bloody inspiration. :whatever:When they rereleased Scarface on DVD back in 2003, they were thinking about re-doing the movie's soundtrack. Replacing all the chessy 80s music with songs done by rappers just for the movie.

[terry78]

You know was really crazy about that, ever since Chris Rock said that there are some white folks who think this makes it ok to say the N word because they "know the difference".

I've actually heard some white folks say the N word when I was around and then be quick to say "I'm not talking about all black people, just the n****s".

I agree, that doesn't just give you carte blanche to start saying stuff because some of us do. If you can go around calling gays slurs because they do and women the b-word because they jokingly refer to each other like that, then go ahead and see what happens.

[Rorshach]

Didn't Roman Polanski, who also diddled a little girl, win an Oscar a few years ago? I don't know what's wrong with our society, but celebrity child molesters/statutory rapists seem to get away with an awful lot.

makes me wish the justice system would take a page from rorshachs journal.rape and murder are evil.child rape and child murder are unforgivable sins.theres to many grey areas.the world should be more black and white.i recentley heard about a guy whos serving life for shooting a guy who was trying to kidnapp his son to do who knows what.
if you ask me he should have shot him twice and aimed low.

[Triadkd]

How naive are you?!? Watch any epsides of MTV Cribs with a black rapper or Athlete, nine times outta ten, Sacreface is in their movie collection, and they've got a thirty-foot poster in their living room. Look at 50 Cent's dumb ass! The man was shot nine times and whereas most people, smart people, would reflect on how he came to be in that situation, puts out his first album wearing a gun holster and brandishing a glock!



You're making them as well.

Their is a difference between scarface and those other italian crime flicks you mentioned. Scarface(a cuban) like many young black males grew up in a single parent household,couldnt stay out of trouble, and just wanted some respect. Im going to try and explain this to you, because your post make me want to punch the screen. Rappers are like wrestlers. They have gimmicks. 50 cent turned a near death experience into a hundred million dollar empire. Im sorry that he didnt slink away and waste his life working some retail job like house ******s,coons, and older white america would have liked him to do.

[KenK]

Their is a difference between scarface and those other italian crime flicks you mentioned. Scarface(a cuban) like many young black males grew up in a single parent household,couldnt stay out of trouble, and just wanted some respect.

**cue the violins** Eventually, we're gonna have to let that "single parent household" s**t go. How come all of my cousins raised solely by their mothers managed to stay outta trouble? And the bottom line is, in the end, Tony Montana got blown to kingdom come as a result of his life of crime! No matter how much you could relate to him when the character started out, when the movie was over, there seemed to be a clear message of what can happen when consumed by that kind of power.

Im going to try and explain this to you, because your post make me want to punch the screen. Rappers are like wrestlers. They have gimmicks. 50 cent turned a near death experience into a hundred million dollar empire. Im sorry that he didnt slink away and waste his life working some retail job like house ******s,coons, and older white america would have liked him to do.

Now YOU'RE making me wanna punch my computer screen! Because if you think 50 Cent is anything other than a coonin' ass bastard for corporate white america, you're fooling yourself. It's bad enough that man can't rap worth a damn anymore (he showed promise when he was coming up in the late 90s), but his subject matter is repetetive and hollow! At least if you're gonna rap about b****es, guns and money, do it with some skill!! 50 can barely string his lyrics together with even a minimum of competency. You can talk about his hundred million dollar empire all you want. He's never gonna be Sean Combs, he's never gonna be Jay-Z, and I'm sure they still have plenty of old white me they've gotta answer to, so don't gimme this crap like 50 is in COMPLETE control of that so-called empire. Not to mention the fact that the man's an idiot. This is a man who commented on Nas and why he isn't popular anymore, saying that it's because . . . .HE READS TOO MUCH!! Are you freakin' kidding me??!? Now his idiocy is trinkling down to some of the most respected of hip-hop vets;

Mobb Deep should NOT have had to sign up with G-Unit, and what was part of their signing deal, oh, they got sports cars. No cash bonus, no controlling intrest in their music or anything like that, just some sports cars.

M.O.P. Should NOT have had to sign up with G-Unit, not to mention any integrity they had after coming out with "Ante Up", a song which seemed to attack rappers with mentalities similar to 50 and the rest of his crew.

LL Cool J. should NOT have to be signing up with G-Unit! Hell, if you can't even do an album without a dozen guest spots, you shouldn't still be rapping. He's more than proven himself a legend in the game, and shouldn't have to be begging anyone to give him exposure or promotion.

What's worse, what have any of these guys put out of merit SINCE signing up with G-Unit. The label's becoming a black hole for long-established artists who should know better.

[Triadkd]

**cue the violins** Eventually, we're gonna have to let that "single parent household" s**t go. How come all of my cousins raised solely by their mothers managed to stay outta trouble? And the bottom line is, in the end, Tony Montana got blown to kingdom come as a result of his life of crime! No matter how much you could relate to him when the character started out, when the movie was over, there seemed to be a clear message of what can happen when consumed by that kind of power.



Now YOU'RE making me wanna punch my computer screen! Because if you think 50 Cent is anything other than a coonin' ass bastard for corporate white america, you're fooling yourself. It's bad enough that man can't rap worth a damn anymore (he showed promise when he was coming up in the late 90s), but his subject matter is repetetive and hollow! At least if you're gonna rap about b****es, guns and money, do it with some skill!! 50 can barely string his lyrics together with even a minimum of competency. Now his idiocy is trinkling down to some of the most respected of hip-hop vets;

Mobb Deep should NOT have had to sign up with G-Unit, and what was part of their signing deal, oh, they got sports cars. No cash bonus, no controlling intrest in their music or anything like that, just some sports cars.

M.O.P. Should NOT have had to sign up with G-Unit, not to mention any integrity they had after coming out with "Ante Up", a song which seemed to attack rappers with mentalities similar to 50 and the rest of his crew.

LL Cool J. should NOT have to be signing up with G-Unit! Hell, if you can't even do an album without a dozen guest spots, you shouldn't still be rapping. He's more than proven himself a legend in the game, and shouldn't have to be begging anyone to give him exposure or promotion.

What's worse, what have any of these guys put out of merit SINCE signing up with G-Unit. The label's becoming a black hole for long-established artists who should know better.

I didnt say it was a good excuse. Many young black males can look up to Tony Montana, they cant relate to Henry Hill. What makes 50 cent a coon? He has a job, and instead of making 5.00 an hour, he makes millions just being himself and doing what he likes doing. This is america and it's damn near impossible not to work for a white man. So your going to have to let that go. What does ll,mobb, and mop, have to do with your broad generalizations of black males?

[Manic]

What makes 50 cent a coon? He has a job, and instead of making 5.00 an hour, he makes millions just being himself and doing what he likes doing. This is america and it's damn near impossible not to work for a white man.
G-Unit Records' parent company is Universal Music Group. Don't be fooled by 50 owning his own label. Every rapper with a major record deal is working for a white man.

[KenK]

I didnt say it was a good excuse. Many young black males can look up to Tony Montana

Why should they be looking up to him? What is there to "look up to" when all is said and done?

What makes 50 cent a coon? He has a job, and instead of making 5.00 an hour, he makes millions just being himself and doing what he likes doing.

Money is nothing without intelligence and desire to be totally self-reliant. There's a big difference between being rich and being "wealthy". A lot of these "rich" rappers still rely on major, white-owned, distribution companies to get their music to mainstream audiences. If they really wanted to, they could have been established their own distribution companies, and business would come to them.

This is america and it's damn near impossible not to work for a white man. So your going to have to let that go.

So there's no point in making an effort. Gotcha.:whatever:

What does ll,mobb, and mop, have to do with your broad generalizations of black males?

My point is, these were once individuals who would never have anything to do with 50's ass. five years ago. They wouldn't need him. The fact that they've been duped into believing that he can revitalize their careers is bothersome to me.

[November Rain]

I personally dont think it's black person specific, it's accounts for the wealthy, rich and popular.

i could name countless white rock and film stars busted with drugs, being racist, sex tape scandals and all sorts and it really doesn't affect them either.

[KenK]

I personally dont think it's black person specific, it's accounts for the wealthy, rich and popular.

i could name countless white rock and film stars busted with drugs, being racist, sex tape scandals and all sorts and it really doesn't affect them either.

I do agree, to an extent, that once a person reaches a level of fame and monetary net worth, race doesn't even factor into it.

R. Kelly and Michael Jackson, two black men ( I don't care what he's done to himself, for the sake of this argument, Michael still black!) both accused of missing around with children. Arguable, there's more damning evidence in the case of R. Kelly, but it's Michael who goes to trial quick, and the trial was over and done with and R. Kelly's STILL waiting to go to trial. I think in the case of Michael Jackson, he's a confused man who the public just don't understand anymore. The plastic surgeries and overall eccentric behavior just got to people. As soon as they found an opening to exploit, they went for it. The man's essentially been programmed to be a performer since he was five years old. He never had a chance to develop like a normal child, and this is the product of a two-parent family with almost a dozen siblings.

[Manic]

The man's essentially been programmed to be a performer since he was five years old. He never had a chance to develop like a normal child, and this is the product of a two-parent family with almost a dozen siblings.
Okay, I need to say something about this. The whole "he never had a childhood" thing is bull. Michael has 8 siblings. Michael and LaToya are the only two kids who came out wrong, and LaToya's more famous for a failed psychic network than anything. Janet grew up in the spotlight from a younger age than Michael (her brothers were already famous when she was growing up, and she started touring with them as soon as she was old enough to remember a song and a joke), and the only embarrassing thing she's done is accidentally flash a titty.

[Chris Wallace]

I agree, but let's be careful how we tread with this thread, as I'm sure moronic trolls will be looking for ammo to make racist remarks for no reason.

When it comes to Michael Vick, that's more in line with something anyone would do, and both white and black fans are pissed at him for that one because he's been one of those crossover celebs for a while.

I'm well aware of the risk; but that should never be a deterrant to voicing one's opinion.

[Chris Wallace]

I do agree, to an extent, that once a person reaches a level of fame and monetary net worth, race doesn't even factor into it.

R. Kelly and Michael Jackson, two black men ( I don't care what he's done to himself, for the sake of this argument, Michael still black!) both accused of missing around with children. Arguable, there's more damning evidence in the case of R. Kelly, but it's Michael who goes to trial quick, and the trial was over and done with and R. Kelly's STILL waiting to go to trial. I think in the case of Michael Jackson, he's a confused man who the public just don't understand anymore. The plastic surgeries and overall eccentric behavior just got to people. As soon as they found an opening to exploit, they went for it. The man's essentially been programmed to be a performer since he was five years old. He never had a chance to develop like a normal child, and this is the product of a two-parent family with almost a dozen siblings.

Okay-let's be real about this. Michael was accused of SAME SEX molestation, which our society frowns upon far more severely. Yes he was tried & acquitted, because it was a flimsy case. He was facing 10-count them-10 charges & the prosecution couldn't make one stick. But society has shunned him & labeled him a monster. But R. Kelly continues to climb the charts, even w/many people whose children are in the same age range as the girl he supposedly peed on.

[SoulManX]

That's pretty much it. As much as I love being a black man in this country, sometimes I can't stand black people. While most of us are out here trying to do our thing and live a good life and not have people look at us a certain way, there's always that percentage that **** everything up for the rest of us therefore making us all look bad.

Come to Durham you would want to put a bag over your head.:csad:

[terry78]

I'm well aware of the risk; but that should never be a deterrant to voicing one's opinion.

Agreed, but these types of things tend to get closed because of one idiot's commentary. Which I don't want to see happen.

[Abaddon]

R.Kelly didn't do it.:o

[Manic]

R.Kelly didn't do it.:o
But there's so much evidence:
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(warning: explicit animated content)

[Docker2.0]

That's pretty much it. As much as I love being a black man in this country, sometimes I can't stand black people. While most of us are out here trying to do our thing and live a good life and not have people look at us a certain way, there's always that percentage that **** everything up for the rest of us therefore making us all look bad.

:up: Sometimes I can really understand why people look at us funny becuase whenever I look at BET(which I don't anymore), I just get this bad feeling in my stomach. As a people, we are lost and like 2Pac said "they say it ain't no hope for the youth, and the truth is it ain't no hope for the future!". Sad statement but when you look at BET, 2Pac was definetly speaking a prophetic line. Whenever we start to look in the mirror and get over these dumb ass "ghetto laws" that really support criminals in the hood like, no snitching and support your local rap star even though he's telling Scarface fantasies and glorifying violence and sex, we are basically giving our people over to the system. I still don't see how Michael Jackson won a Lifetime achievement award a month after he paid those people money for molesting their kids! :huh:

[MaskedManJRK]

Okay, I need to say something about this. The whole "he never had a childhood" thing is bull. Michael has 8 siblings. Michael and LaToya are the only two kids who came out wrong, and LaToya's more famous for a failed psychic network than anything. Janet grew up in the spotlight from a younger age than Michael (her brothers were already famous when she was growing up, and she started touring with them as soon as she was old enough to remember a song and a joke), and the only embarrassing thing she's done is accidentally flash a titty.

Though the accidently flash the tit is debatable, I agree. Most of those other kids are alright, or at least crazy in a way that's harmless to society.

But there's so much evidence:
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Heheh. One of my favorite parts from the show. Gotta love the West. :woot:

[Manic]

You know the sad part? These rappers go around telling everybody how great it is to be a thug, but they give up every facet of that lifestyle as soon as they make some money. They move to the suburbs, stop carrying a gun, hire bodyguards, refuse to set foot in the hood unless it's to film a music video...

[KenK]

You know the sad part? These rappers go around telling everybody how great it is to be a thug, but they give up every facet of that lifestyle as soon as they make some money. They move to the suburbs, stop carrying a gun, hire bodyguards, refuse to set foot in the hood unless it's to film a music video...

WHAT?!?!?

[Manic]

WHAT?!?!?
In public. They stop carrying guns with them where ever they go. They probably still have them at home. But who carries a gun when you've got a dozen bodyguards on all sides? Besides, the media and government would have a field day if they actually caught a famous rapper packing heat.

[KenK]

In public. They stop carrying guns with them where ever they go. They probably still have them at home. But who carries a gun when you've got a dozen bodyguards on all sides? Besides, the media and government would have a field day if they actually caught a famous rapper packing heat.

Lil Wayne just got busted after a concert in New York for gun possession. And shoot, every other time Busta Rhymes is out, it seems like he's getting pinched for gun possession.

[Chris Wallace]

Hell, have we so soon forgotten the Diddy (or whatever the hell they were calling him that week) incident?

[Manic]

I think he was still Puffy in those days. Hell, I still call him Puffy.

[SoulManX]

You know the sad part? These rappers go around telling everybody how great it is to be a thug, but they give up every facet of that lifestyle as soon as they make some money. They move to the suburbs, stop carrying a gun, hire bodyguards, refuse to set foot in the hood unless it's to film a music video...

Great way to rep where your from:ninja:

[SoulManX]

Singer R Kelly to be tried for child pornography

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Grammy Award-winning R&B singer R Kelly will go on trial September 17 on child pornography charges, five years after the accusations were first made, prosecutors said on Wednesday.

Kelly, 40, whose real name is Robert Kelly, faces up to 15 years in jail if convicted of videotaping himself having sex with an underage girl. Prosecutors have said the girl could have been as young as 13, but defense attorneys have disputed her age and whether Kelly is on the tape. The underground videotape was widely circulated.
Kelly pleaded not guilty to the charges and in the interim has released hit songs, gone on tours, and released a DVD set of "hip-hopera" skits.
Cook County Judge Vincent Gaughan said jury selection would begin September 17.
The trial was delayed, in part, by arguments over when the video was made. It was also pushed back because the judge fell and broke bones and needed to recuperate.

[Abaddon]

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:ninja:

[KenK]

^ Now that's just ain't right!! (it's damn funny, though!)

[Kritish]

The smell of uncle toms in the morning. OP you sound like a white middle aged housewife. The only people who glorify gangsters/drug dealers are whites/******s. Black america does not care about goodfellas,godfather, and carlito's way. Why would we look up to a bunch of fat white racist criminals? I am assuming all of your friends are white? Try talking to young blacks instead of making blanket statements. Most of them are just trying to make money. And what planet do you live on? The only white celebrity to get in any significant amount of trouble was paris hilton. All of the other whites just skated off into the sunset. What about OJ? He was found innocent and people still treat him like a criminal. And then whites complain about the duke lacross case. You can bash blacks all you want, but when your gone they still call you a ******. Believe me I know.

Oh look, the idiot's back. :dry:

[EdRyder]

Il never understand the allure of Tony Montana...Scarface was a runty punk that ran his mouth constantly
Give me Clint anyday,..Tough guys dont talk about-They just do it

[Triadkd]

Oh look, the idiot's back. :dry:

Will you get off my big mulatto cock you potato eating bastard. Get a life and stop following me around. And once again I ask where are all of these black youth gangsters you guys speak of. Most black youth do not idolize gangsters and thieves. You cant blame us because white youth with no cultural identity hijacked our culture and act like idiots. If you coons would leave the skate park and talk to black people you would see how coonish you sound. Being successful does not mean "acting white". People of color built empires while whites were still living in mud huts, eating each other. Who cares if they wear baggy clothes as long as they get it done in school. So please coons, and racists quit pulling our *****.

[Hobgoblin]

That's pretty much it. As much as I love being a black man in this country, sometimes I can't stand black people. While most of us are out here trying to do our thing and live a good life and not have people look at us a certain way, there's always that percentage that **** everything up for the rest of us therefore making us all look bad.

I think its kinda like that for us white people too. :o Most of us arent racist but when one moron opens his mouth and says something stupid, its like "Oh, GOD." :whatever: :o :cmad:

[SoulManX]

Will you get off my big mulatto cock you potato eating bastard. Get a life and stop following me around. And once again I ask where are all of these black youth gangsters you guys speak of. Most black youth do not idolize gangsters and thieves. You cant blame us because white youth with no cultural identity hijacked our culture and act like idiots. If you coons would leave the skate park and talk to black people you would see how coonish you sound. Being successful does not mean "acting white". People of color built empires while whites were still living in mud huts, eating each other. Who cares if they wear baggy clothes as long as they get it done in school. So please coons, and racists quit pulling our *****.

U have to be kidding me:dry:

[Manic]

I don't think I've ever seen someone on this board throw around so many racial ephithets so freely.

[Superman4ever]

It really bothers me that when a white entertainer gets in trouble with the law, (see Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan) they're disgraced & lambasted, but when a black entertainer does it (see Lil' Kim, R. Kelly) their popularity seems to skyrocket. I know the real reason; ours is a culture that glorifies crime. We bandy about words like "thug", "hustler" & "pimp" like they're badges of honor. But at the same time we regard those among us who seek to better ourselves through hard work and education as skind of traitors.
It's sick.

:trans:

It's like reverse Karma. When a non-celeb BLACK person gets in trouble with the law they're disgraced and lambasted as a WHOLE race (one rotten apple from a diseased tree, eh? That pretty much goes for ALL "minorities.). When a non-celeb white person gets in trouble with the law THAT ONE white person gets disgraced and lambasted (one rotten apple doesn't spoil...yada yada). So, I guess it's fair!

I think white people got the better end of the deal on this one...so drop the bleeding heart act and spare us, mmmKay?

[Chris Wallace]

It's like reverse Karma. When a non-celeb BLACK person gets in trouble with the law they're disgraced and lambasted as a WHOLE race (one rotten apple from a diseased tree, eh? That pretty much goes for ALL "minorities.). When a non-celeb white person gets in trouble with the law THAT ONE white person gets disgraced and lambasted (one rotten apple doesn't spoil...yada yada). So, I guess it's fair!

I think white people got the better end of the deal on this one...so drop the bleeding heart act and spare us, mmmKay?

Sadly, there's a point in that.
But I'm black.

[rdh007]

It's like reverse Karma. When a non-celeb BLACK person gets in trouble with the law they're disgraced and lambasted as a WHOLE race (one rotten apple from a diseased tree, eh? That pretty much goes for ALL "minorities.). When a non-celeb white person gets in trouble with the law THAT ONE white person gets disgraced and lambasted (one rotten apple doesn't spoil...yada yada). So, I guess it's fair!

I think white people got the better end of the deal on this one...so drop the bleeding heart act and spare us, mmmKay?
What about white trash? When an illiterate, five toothed, wife beater wearing white dude from the middle of nowhere gets in trouble for, say, drunk driving; don't we all just chalk it up to him being white trash? Thereby disparaging poor whites?

[terry78]

What about white trash? When an illiterate, five toothed, wife beater wearing white dude from the middle of nowhere gets in trouble for, say, drunk driving; don't we all just chalk it up to him being white trash? Thereby disparaging poor whites?

Not really. Everyone knows that white trash is just one section of the white community. Someone black, asian, hispanic does something retarded, suddenly people say "those people are so *insert comment*"

[rdh007]

Not really. Everyone knows that white trash is just one section of the white community. Someone black, asian, hispanic does something retarded, suddenly people say "those people are so *insert comment*"
Maybe. I don't think I do, but maybe I do. Speaking as someone who comes from a long line of snake wrangling illiterates, I can tell you that it seems pretty similar to me. But, I've never been black, asian or hispanic so I don't know for sure.

[Chris Wallace]

It's like reverse Karma. When a non-celeb BLACK person gets in trouble with the law they're disgraced and lambasted as a WHOLE race (one rotten apple from a diseased tree, eh? That pretty much goes for ALL "minorities.). When a non-celeb white person gets in trouble with the law THAT ONE white person gets disgraced and lambasted (one rotten apple doesn't spoil...yada yada). So, I guess it's fair!

I think white people got the better end of the deal on this one...so drop the bleeding heart act and spare us, mmmKay?

I thought about this comment further & really, there's no difference. Because "White America" shuns & distances itself from criminal idiots, when a white average Joe gets busted he's on his own. Because "Black America" glamorizes crime, when a black average Joe gets busted he takes us all down with him, perceptionwise. You don't think R. Kelly took a chunk of us down with him & continues to do so?

[Triadkd]

I thought about this comment further & really, there's no difference. Because "White America" shuns & distances itself from criminal idiots, when a white average Joe gets busted he's on his own. Because "Black America" glamorizes crime, when a black average Joe gets busted he takes us all down with him, perceptionwise. You don't think R. Kelly took a chunk of us down with him & continues to do so?

You take coonery to new levels. Roman polansky has won an oscar since his child rape charges. Mark Furhman the racist corrupt cop who admitted to planting evidence and beating suspects has become a hero to white america. Who loves goodfellas,godfather, and all of those other guido crime flicks? It is not black america. Who cares what white people of all people think about anything. How does what another man does affect you? Does white america apoligize to asia because millions of white men travel over there every year for the sole purpose of ****ing chidlren? The answer is of course NO! If white america has never apoligized for the genocide,slavery, and all around depravity than why on earth do you feel the need to apoligize for another man's behavior?

[Manic]

I don't think there's a black man alive that's ever apologized for the actions of another black man (unless it's a close relative). He was just saying that when a black man makes it on the news doing some stupid s***, it brings us down in the eyes of everyone. Not just white people. Everyone. Asians, Latinos, other black people, old people.

And dear god, stop saying the word "coon." You'll give the white kids ideas.

[Warhammer]

Not really. Everyone knows that white trash is just one section of the white community. Someone black, asian, hispanic does something retarded, suddenly people say "those people are so *insert comment*"

That is so true.
After VT Massacre, everybody I hear were saying "stupid Asians", "they should go back to their country", and all of that other bullshyit.

:rolleyes: :down

[Triadkd]

I don't think there's a black man alive that's ever apologized for the actions of another black man (unless it's a close relative). He was just saying that when a black man makes it on the news doing some stupid s***, it brings us down in the eyes of everyone. Not just white people. Everyone. Asians, Latinos, other black people, old people.

And dear god, stop saying the word "coon." You'll give the white kids ideas.

And my point is who cares about any of those people. Have you ever noticed the fact that everyone is obsessed with us and what we are? Go to any majority asian,white,hispanic,ect forum and you will find countless threads on blacks. People will always find a reason to obsess and talk about us. Having one less black criminal on the news will not make a difference. So **** them. As long as you are happy you should not strive to please white's or any other race of people.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

That is so true.
After VT Massacre, everybody I hear were saying "stupid Asians", "they should go back to their country", and all of that other bullshyit.

:rolleyes: :down

Same thing happened to the muslims/islamists after 9-11 as well. Has Triad K ever been banned before?

[terry78]

Honestly, if you're in a minority in the country, you'll get lumped in eventually because there just isn't enough of you to justify not being lumped in.

[Warhammer]

^Definitely.

Same thing happened to the muslims/islamists after 9-11 as well. Has Triad K ever been banned before?

Definitely.
I f***ing hate the ignorance of people who discriminate against Muslims and people of Middle Eastern decent. It has made me so angry that some times, I want to nearly beat them to death. I don't care what happens to America, racism is not justified by anything. Some people need to get over it.

And no, Triadkd has never been banned before, from what I've seen.
He really needs to calm down on what he says, though.

[Manic]

A lot of people seem to forget (or just don't notice) all the Sikhs who've been treated badly since 9/11. Probably 90% of the people you see walking down the street wearing turbans are part of the Sikh religion, which is an Indian religion very different from Islam.

[terry78]

A lot of people seem to forget (or just don't notice) all the Sikhs who've been treated badly since 9/11. Probably 90% of the people you see walking down the street wearing turbans are part of the Sikh religion, which is an Indian religion very different from Islam.

Eh, they're all towel heads according to the general public. People claim we are getting too poltically correct, but they're bringing that **** upon themselves.

[Warhammer]

A lot of people seem to forget (or just don't notice) all the Sikhs who've been treated badly since 9/11. Probably 90% of the people you see walking down the street wearing turbans are part of the Sikh religion, which is an Indian religion very different from Islam.

Oh wow.

[ANTOINE X]

It really bothers me that when a white entertainer gets in trouble with the law, (see Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan) they're disgraced & lambasted, but when a black entertainer does it (see Lil' Kim, R. Kelly) their popularity seems to skyrocket. I know the real reason; ours is a culture that glorifies crime. We bandy about words like "thug", "hustler" & "pimp" like they're badges of honor. But at the same time we regard those among us who seek to better ourselves through hard work and education as skind of traitors.
It's sick.

:trans:


No offense but I really dont like the way you talk about blacks. And one thing I don t like is generalization and stereotype. Wen you say We( and not only you but a lot blacks do the same mistake) be careful with that word cause there are all kind of afro Americans. Some don t like hip hop some like rock , reggae I even know some who like country . Even If I like hip hop there s no way I m gonna honor thug life and say that work and education is for traitors. And you re including your parents which I m sure dont like thugs. And I will never go to prison nor honor those who did.

By the way that culture about black honoring thugs has a lot to do with the media because controversy means money.

So Please when you say such thing use the letter I and not we!

[Manic]

Oh wow.
Uh oh. You really didn't know that, did you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turban_%28Sikhism%29
Sikhism is the only religion in the world in which wearing a turban is mandatory. Vast majority of people who wear turbans in the Western countries are Sikhs.

[Chris Wallace]

No offense but I really dont like the way you talk about blacks. And one thing I don t like is generalization and stereotype. Wen you say We( and not only you but a lot blacks do the same mistake) be careful with that word cause there are all kind of afro Americans. Some don t like hip hop some like rock , reggae I even know some who like country . Even If I like hip hop there s no way I m gonna honor thug life and say that work and education is for traitors. And you re including your parents which I m sure dont like thugs. And I will never go to prison nor honor those who did.

By the way that culture about black honoring thugs has a lot to do with the media because controversy means money.

So Please when you say such thing use the letter I and not we!

If I were referring to myself then this issue wouldn't bother me. Obviously I don't glamorize crime or embrace any form of entertainment that does so. I can promise you you have a better chance of finding Osama Bin Laden than finding a "thug" rap album in my collection. By "we", I mean a great many of us. And truth be told, those who do not embrace the "culture" are, sadly, considered the exception rather than the rule. It's about perception, people.

[Warhammer]

Uh oh. You really didn't know that, did you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turban_%28Sikhism%29
Sikhism is the only religion in the world in which wearing a turban is mandatory. Vast majority of people who wear turbans in the Western countries are Sikhs.

I did to some extent, but I never knew how extreme that really was.

[ANTOINE X]

If I were referring to myself then this issue wouldn't bother me. Obviously I don't glamorize crime or embrace any form of entertainment that does so. I can promise you you have a better chance of finding Osama Bin Laden than finding a "thug" rap album in my collection. By "we", I mean a great many of us. And truth be told, those who do not embrace the "culture" are, sadly, considered the exception rather than the rule. It's about perception, people.


That s why I dont give a f***about some people think even if it s the majority. Something I learn is that majority doesn t always mean the< right side>. I m not saying that most blacks are angels of course I am aware theres a lot of black that are thugs but I dont want to be included in the same bag. I ll I want is to people to analyze before assuming anything.

[Chris Wallace]

People don't do that. People see what's on the surface of something & they accept it. Otherwise we wouldn't be at war now. But that's a whole other matter. My point is, if the ones who are doing it would stop & exercise some common freakin' sense, we wouldn't have this problem. And it's not just the thugs who are the problem. It's the "TINO"s (Thugs In Name Only) who pull us down as well. The ones who just think it's cool to live that way. I don't know. Maybe if somebody stopped for a minute & said "you know, 'C-Murder' & 'Scarface' aren't good stage names; they perpetuate stereotypes". Or "Maybe I won't go see this movie called 'Hustle And Flow'." Or even "i probably shouldn't support this singer who's accused of leading children astray with his music & calls himself 'The Pied Piper' while wearing a mask." Then this touchy subject could be eradicated.

[Triadkd]

People don't do that. People see what's on the surface of something & they accept it. Otherwise we wouldn't be at war now. But that's a whole other matter. My point is, if the ones who are doing it would stop & exercise some common freakin' sense, we wouldn't have this problem. And it's not just the thugs who are the problem. It's the "TINO"s (Thugs In Name Only) who pull us down as well. The ones who just think it's cool to live that way. I don't know. Maybe if somebody stopped for a minute & said "you know, 'C-Murder' & 'Scarface' aren't good stage names; they perpetuate stereotypes". Or "Maybe I won't go see this movie called 'Hustle And Flow'." Or even "i probably shouldn't support this singer who's accused of leading children astray with his music & calls himself 'The Pied Piper' while wearing a mask." Then this touchy subject could be eradicated.

Their is no touchy subject you coon! Their are only proud black men who do not give a good god damn about what someone thinks of them and black people like you who for some insane reason do. How can you blame the problems of black america on rap music you ****ing idiot? Are you trying to tell me that before rap music their was no poverty,crime,single parent households? Of course not. All rap has done is made white men more money, and given white america something to ***** about. And did you even watch hustle and flow, or were their too many black people in it for you? The movie has a positive message about trying to rise up through generational violence,poverty, and crime.

[Docker2.0]

Their is no touchy subject you coon! Their are only proud black men who do not give a good god damn about what someone thinks of them and black people like you who for some insane reason do. How can you blame the problems of black america on rap music you ****ing idiot? Are you trying to tell me that before rap music their was no poverty,crime,single parent households? Of course not. All rap has done is made white men more money, and given white america something to ***** about. And did you even watch hustle and flow, or were their too many black people in it for you? The movie has a positive message about trying to rise up through generational violence,poverty, and crime.
Wow! Just. wow. :dry:

[AllThingsComic]

This can't help either, I mean come on, did this dude really think this was encouraging?

http://www.bet.com/onblast/default.html?chan=2&id=1037&i=1&sub=&itype=e

[Golgo-13]

Their is no touchy subject you coon! Their are only proud black men who do not give a good god damn about what someone thinks of them and black people like you who for some insane reason do. How can you blame the problems of black america on rap music you ****ing idiot? Are you trying to tell me that before rap music their was no poverty,crime,single parent households? Of course not. All rap has done is made white men more money, and given white america something to ***** about. And did you even watch hustle and flow, or were their too many black people in it for you? The movie has a positive message about trying to rise up through generational violence,poverty, and crime.

I agree with some of your points, but i think saying Hustle and Flow is positive is similar to how many of us turn a blind eye to other ignorances in our community, like R Kelly having sex with underage girls for ex. He's selling more records now than he did before that **** happened. Hustle and Flow was clearly glorifying the pimp game, and degarding woman, no matter how ya look at it.

[X-Punisher]

You take coonery to new levels. Roman polansky has won an oscar since his child rape charges. Mark Furhman the racist corrupt cop who admitted to planting evidence and beating suspects has become a hero to white america. Who loves goodfellas,godfather, and all of those other guido crime flicks? It is not black america. Who cares what white people of all people think about anything. How does what another man does affect you? Does white america apoligize to asia because millions of white men travel over there every year for the sole purpose of ****ing chidlren? The answer is of course NO! If white america has never apoligized for the genocide,slavery, and all around depravity than why on earth do you feel the need to apoligize for another man's behavior?

Wow you are a racist *******. Anyways those "guido" crime-flicks that you bash so much is a lot better than most "gansta" flicks (the only good ones are Boyz in the Hood and Menace II Society).

[Steve Rogers]

Everyone seems to be making this a black vs, white thing, and I don't hink it is. Eminem milked his brush with the law for as mych publicity as he could, and last time I checked, he wasn't black. It's not a race thing. I think it's a hip hop thing. They portray this image of themselves being thugs and try to live up to it. That's all. You think if Morgan Freeman got arrested for drugs he'd be pounding on his chest as his fame skyrocketed? I don't think so.

[Triadkd]

Wow you are a racist *******. Anyways those "guido" crime-flicks that you bash so much is a lot better than most "gansta" flicks (the only good ones are Boyz in the Hood and Menace II Society).

What is a gansta? Anyway the quality of guido films is not the issue. It is white america being hypocritical toward rap music, while praising mafia/guido/ crime flicks.

[Steve Rogers]

:wow: :wow: I've read coon and guido in this thread. Amazing.

[X-Punisher]

What is a gansta? Anyway the quality of guido films is not the issue. It is white america being hypocritical toward rap music, while praising mafia/guido/ crime flicks.

we praise them because of the quality writting and acting but we don't praise them for the actions the characters do. :o :whatever:

[Steve Rogers]

It is white america being hypocritical toward rap music, while praising mafia/guido/ crime flicks.

That's a broad and ignorant generalization considering that a huge portion of the sudience at rap concerts are "white america".

[Steve Rogers]

It is white america being hypocritical toward rap music, while praising mafia/guido/ crime flicks.

That's a broad and ignorant generalization considering that a huge portion of the audience at rap concerts are "white america".

[Chris Wallace]

Their is no touchy subject you coon! Their are only proud black men who do not give a good god damn about what someone thinks of them and black people like you who for some insane reason do. How can you blame the problems of black america on rap music you ****ing idiot? Are you trying to tell me that before rap music their was no poverty,crime,single parent households? Of course not. All rap has done is made white men more money, and given white america something to ***** about. And did you even watch hustle and flow, or were their too many black people in it for you? The movie has a positive message about trying to rise up through generational violence,poverty, and crime.

1-don't ever call me a coon.
2-I never said the root of our problems was rap.
3-"Hustle & Flow" was garbage. There was no positive message. It was about a pimp using whores to pursue his dream. He sought assistance from a guy who'd already cut a record, wound up beating him down & going to jail. You clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about.
4-never come into a discussion with an insult; it nullifies any validity your argument may have had.

[Chris Wallace]

I agree with some of your points, but i think saying Hustle and Flow is positive is similar to how many of us turn a blind eye to other ignorances in our community, like R Kelly having sex with underage girls for ex. He's selling more records now than he did before that **** happened. Hustle and Flow was clearly glorifying the pimp game, and degarding woman, no matter how ya look at it.
Amen.

[Chris Wallace]

we don't praise them for the actions the characters do. :o :whatever:
Sadly, that's moreso something that happens in the Black community as well. Do you know how many "Scarface" t-shirts & jackets I see on a daily basis?

[X-Punisher]

Sadly, that's moreso something that happens in the Black community as well. Do you know how many "Scarface" t-shirts & jackets I see on a daily basis?

I see an ass load at the mall

(ass load= 30+)

[Chris Wallace]

What about on the street? Or in storefront windows?

[X-Punisher]

What about on the street? Or in storefront windows?

Yeah, but I was talking about Scarface shirts I see ON people. I see even more Scarface crap being sold in stores.

[Docker2.0]

I agree with some of your points, but i think saying Hustle and Flow is positive is similar to how many of us turn a blind eye to other ignorances in our community, like R Kelly having sex with underage girls for ex. He's selling more records now than he did before that **** happened. Hustle and Flow was clearly glorifying the pimp game, and degarding woman, no matter how ya look at it.

Good post bro! :up: I hate it how the black community use these movies and just............I don't know man. We are just f-ed up as a people! There are times when I look in the mirror and proud that I'm black. But then there times I walk down the street and wish I didn't have a black cell in my body cuase of the things I see our people doing and glorifying!
I seen this video with this guy talking about the truth about hip hop, the force behind it and just the music that we target at our kids! B2K, at the time, was targeted at teen age minorities, and when I actually just listened to the lyrics.............Wow! and I'm not just being crazy or whatever, but we have really been desensitized to a lot of things! Things that don't bother us anymore, they should!

[Steve Rogers]

. But then there times I walk down the street and wish I didn't have a black cell in my body cuase of the things I see our people doing and glorifying!


That's sad. I'm not trying to disrespect you, but I honestly mean that that is sad. I never thought of it that way.

[Golgo-13]

Does anyone have any love for Al Sharpton, or Jesse Jackson?

What about Minister Farrakhan? Farakhan says alot of good things, but by every definition of the word, some of the things he says is dictionary definition racism.

I think alot of these so called black leaders paint us, as a race, into a corner, where if you don't agree with them your considered an Uncle Tom or a sell out.

Anyone else agree?

[Steve Rogers]

Does anyone have any love for Al Sharpton, or Jesse Jackson?

What about Minister Farrakhan? Farakhan says alot of good things, but by every definition of the word, some of the things he says is dictionary definition racism.

I think alot of these so called black leaders paint us, as a race, into a corner, where if you don't agree with them your considered an Uncle Tom or a sell out.

Anyone else agree?

I don't mind Jesse Jackson, but the others seem to want black people to come out ahead of white people instead of being equals with white people. That's why Martin Luther King was a great man. He wanted everyone to be equal.

[Docker2.0]

That's sad. I'm not trying to disrespect you, but I honestly mean that that is sad. I never thought of it that way.

Sad? Meaning sad that you feel sorry for me or sad that's it reality? Explain please.

[Steve Rogers]

Sad? Meaning sad that you feel sorry for me or sad that's it reality? Explain please. The situation is sad as in unpleasant. It is sad that you are caught up in it. I remeber seeing an interview with some black celebrity (I can't remember who he was) that said something similar. He was saying that a lot of the negitive sterotypes towards blacks come from blacks themselves and that he was called an "Uncle Tom" for being literate and well spoken. Like I said, I don't mean any disrespect, but I think it is sad that sometimes you feel like you wish you weren't black. I myself have never felt that I wish I wasn't white, but when white people do ignorant and racist things I do like to try and seperate myself from them. Maybe what's really sad is that in all cases, it's the negative sterotypes that get through. If a black man robs a liqour store, people go, "that figures." If a black man becomes mayor people go, "now there's something you don't see every day."

[Docker2.0]

The situation is sad as in unpleasant. It is sad that you are caught up in it. I remeber seeing an interview with some black celebrity (I can't remember who he was) that said something similar. He was saying that a lot of the negitive sterotypes towards blacks come from blacks themselves and that he was called an "Uncle Tom" for being literate and well spoken. Like I said, I don't mean any disrespect, but I think it is sad that sometimes you feel like you wish you weren't black. I myself have never felt that I wish I wasn't white, but when white people do ignorant and racist things I do like to try and seperate myself from them. Maybe what's really sad is that in all cases, it's the negative sterotypes that get through. If a black man robs a liqour store, people go, "that figures." If a black man becomes mayor people go, "now there's something you don't see every day."

Yeah it's like I get a bad rap becuase I try to do something with my life. Don't get me wrong, there are ALOT of black people who are successful and are doing their own thing, but there are..............so many negative things! The thing that just bothers me is how we justify crimes and crazy things into a black white issue. I'm still bothered about how R.Kelly was caught ON TAPE with a underaged black girl and not only not in jail, but received awards and is selling more records now than he ever did! :huh:
And don't get me started on rap music! :rolleyes:

[Steve Rogers]

ALOT of black people who are successful and are doing their own thing, but there are..............so many negative things!
Exactly, but it seems like no one pays attention to them. They only pay attention to the ones who end up on Cops. And the real funny thing is, there are far more white criminals in the world, and yet old white women don't clutch there purse when they see a young urban white male walk towards them. What is it Chris Rock says in Dogma? "A black man can steal your stereo, but he can't be your Savior."

[Golgo-13]

Yeah it's like I get a bad rap becuase I try to do something with my life. Don't get me wrong, there are ALOT of black people who are successful and are doing their own thing, but there are..............so many negative things! The thing that just bothers me is how we justify crimes and crazy things into a black white issue. I'm still bothered about how R.Kelly was caught ON TAPE with a underaged black girl and not only not in jail, but received awards and is selling more records now than he ever did! :huh:
And don't get me started on rap music! :rolleyes:

I actually heard that the girl that the prosecution believed was the one that was on the tape, who is now 23, is gonna testify that it wasn't her on the tape; there goes the case. I believe she was paid off personally, but that's just me.

These are the kinda fools that embarass me about our culture:

Bishop (if you can ven call him that) Don Juan

http://www.surprisedbytruth.com/images/pimp.jpg

..a pimp, and a reverand. Talk about apples and oranges.:whatever:

Ppl actually look up to this clown as a man of god..and as a pimp.:huh: And those same ppl turn around and knock ppl like Bill Cosby for speaking the truth. Go figure.

[Steve Rogers]

Who knocks Bill Cosby!?!?!:cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

[Lunar_Wolf]

one name..........OJ......

[X-Punisher]

I actually heard that the girl that the prosecution believed was the one that was on the tape, who is now 23, is gonna testify that it wasn't her on the tape; there goes the case. I believe she was paid off personally, but that's just me.

These are the kinda fools that embarass me about our culture:

Bishop (if you can ven call him that) Don Juan

http://www.surprisedbytruth.com/images/pimp.jpg

..a pimp, and a reverand. Talk about apples and oranges.:whatever:

Ppl actually look up to this clown as a man of god..and as a pimp.:huh:

Jesus is a Pimp
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/30/58221586_4c0979c667.jpg

[Docker2.0]

I actually heard that the girl that the prosecution believed was the one that was on the tape, who is now 23, is gonna testify that it wasn't her on the tape; there goes the case. I believe she was paid off personally, but that's just me.

These are the kinda fools that embarass me about our culture:

Bishop (if you can ven call him that) Don Juan

http://www.surprisedbytruth.com/images/pimp.jpg

..a pimp, and a reverand. Talk about apples and oranges.:whatever:

Ppl actually look up to this clown as a man of god..and as a pimp.:huh: And those same ppl turn around and knock ppl like Bill Cosby for speaking the truth. Go figure.
Agreed! People act like Cosby was lying when he was saying that the american black culture is more concerned about gold teeth and hoes than they were about education. You can look at BET and see that. I know he has to feel embarassed when he marched in the 60s and now to see us today. Thing is, a lot of black people feel this way, but they won't speak up about it. How is JayZ a hero and uses the same language that Imus used. Don't get me wrong, Imus was wrong as hell to say what he said, but it's the same thing that these rappers is saying. Actually what he said was a lot more tamer than what they say. I know I'm speaking ebonics but I'm tired from shooting ball. :o

[Golgo-13]

Agreed! People act like Cosby was lying when he was saying that the american black culture is more concerned about gold teeth and hoes than they were about education. You can look at BET and see that. I know he has to feel embarassed when he marched in the 60s and now to see us today. Thing is, a lot of black people feel this way, but they won't speak up about it. How is JayZ a hero and uses the same language that Imus used. Don't get me wrong, Imus was wrong as hell to say what he said, but it's the same thing that these rappers is saying. Actually what he said was a lot more tamer than what they say. I know I'm speaking ebonics but I'm tired from shooting ball. :o

This is why a lot of whites feel that 'the old days'( as political incorrect as it is to say it out loud) where the better days; the days when we had to sit at the back of the bus, couldn't vote, etc. Cause all this black on black crime, etc in somes eyes, wouldn't be happening:csad:

[terry78]

It's a backlash. The country overcompensated for all the **** that happened to black people years ago, and now we all feel that we're owed everything and everyone has to walk on egg shells with us. The whole thing kind of backfired on them to be honest. It's similar to the women's movement to be honest. A male can't do **** to a female without a giant thing blown out of proportion.

[Docker2.0]

It's a backlash. The country overcompensated for all the **** that happened to black people years ago, and now we all feel that we're owed everything and everyone has to walk on egg shells with us. The whole thing kind of backfired on them to be honest. It's similar to the women's movement to be honest. A male can't do **** to a female without a giant thing blown out of proportion.

Wow! That's so true! I think it's just that now adays EVERYONE is so politically correct now! I remember you use to say fagg0t, not even meaning gay but just...........to say it. Now if you say it, you are viewed as a nazi or something to that nature. Times have really changed. :csad:

[Kel]

There will always be those that think society is changing for the worst, and "don't ya remember the good old days?".....no, I don't remember the good old days when there was no prejudice, no race wars, the names have changed, but the issues are still the same....

“If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens, how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.”

George Bernard Shaw

[Chris Wallace]

“If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens, how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.”

George Bernard ShawI like that.

And folks, no more racial slurs, ok? You're gonna mess around & get the thread closed.

[Chris Wallace]

I actually heard that the girl that the prosecution believed was the one that was on the tape, who is now 23, is gonna testify that it wasn't her on the tape; there goes the case. I believe she was paid off personally, but that's just me.

These are the kinda fools that embarass me about our culture:

Bishop (if you can ven call him that) Don Juan

http://www.surprisedbytruth.com/images/pimp.jpg

..a pimp, and a reverand. Talk about apples and oranges.:whatever:

Ppl actually look up to this clown as a man of god..and as a pimp.:huh: And those same ppl turn around and knock ppl like Bill Cosby for speaking the truth. Go figure.
That is the point I've been trying to make.
And I think the girl was paid off, too.

[Chris Wallace]

Yeah, but I was talking about Scarface shirts I see ON people. I see even more Scarface crap being sold in stores.
Oh-I get you now. On people in the mall. Then it's about even.

[Chris Wallace]

Jesus is a Pimp
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/30/58221586_4c0979c667.jpg

Not funny.

[Kel]

I don't believe Jesus is a pimp, but I certainly believe that the church is using him as such.....

[Chris Wallace]

Define "The Church".

[Chris Wallace]

Define "The Church".

[Kel]

Can I do it just once?.....lol

The church as an established religion....I'm not talking of a certain religion, nor do I believe that "all" churches do this as individual churches.....but the church "established religions" have moved religion far from a "relationship with God, Christ, Muhammad, whoever" and have turned it into a business to make money. 70's, 80's, what brought this to our attention were the TV evangelists, you had individual churches that fell under this category, but you didn't have the mega-churches on the street corner that you have now....the established religions, (churches) from what I see today, are more about increasing the size of the membership (which increases the size of the intake of money) and less about what they were supposed to do in the early history. We have again repeated history, Martin Luther during the Reformation realized that the church was more about power than it was giving, taking care of the poor, taking care of the family etc......and spoke out against it........we have come full circle once again......and I'm not seeing many speaking out in the manner that he did......

My opinion has nothing to do with believing in God or not....I happen to believe in God, Christ, etc.....if others don't, thats ok.......

I do no believe that what we are calling, "the church" today, is what Christ spoke of when he spoke of the "the church" in the Bible......

[Chris Wallace]

Ok; I'll buy that.

[bullets]

jesus was a black man

[NateGray]

Will you get off my big mulatto cock you potato eating bastard. Get a life and stop following me around. And once again I ask where are all of these black youth gangsters you guys speak of. Most black youth do not idolize gangsters and thieves. You cant blame us because white youth with no cultural identity hijacked our culture and act like idiots. If you coons would leave the skate park and talk to black people you would see how coonish you sound. Being successful does not mean "acting white". People of color built empires while whites were still living in mud huts, eating each other. Who cares if they wear baggy clothes as long as they get it done in school. So please coons, and racists quit pulling our *****.

Wow your ignorance is frightening.
GROW UP because you post like some 15 year old kid with no clue what is going on but thinks he knows everything when in fact you know two things jack and **** and jack left town.

[NateGray]

You take coonery to new levels. Roman polansky has won an oscar since his child rape charges. Mark Furhman the racist corrupt cop who admitted to planting evidence and beating suspects has become a hero to white america. Who loves goodfellas,godfather, and all of those other guido crime flicks? It is not black america. Who cares what white people of all people think about anything. How does what another man does affect you? Does white america apoligize to asia because millions of white men travel over there every year for the sole purpose of ****ing chidlren? The answer is of course NO! If white america has never apoligized for the genocide,slavery, and all around depravity than why on earth do you feel the need to apoligize for another man's behavior?


Furman a hero to white America??? STFU you fracking moron I do not speak for black people as a white person, do not presume to speak for white people as a black person in fact you are so ignorant you probably shouldn't speak at all dumbass kid.