Wesley Snipes Thread [Merge x3]

[Clark Kent.]

Blade is 45 today.

[DorkyFresh]

too bad he's reduced to straight to dvd movies now. he'll always be Blade to me...

[KenK]

too bad he's reduced to straight to dvd movies now. he'll always be Blade to me...

I hear his latest one, The Contractor, is actually pretty good. It'll find its way on my Netflix queue at some point.

[odiin]

Pay your taxes!

[DV8]

^lol!

[DV8]

on a more lugubrious note; Wesley Snipes' career would have been 19 today, had he not killed it :o

[ManSpider]

Snipes was by far the only actor they could've gotten for Blade, and I personally wish he'd get out of the career funk he's in right now and do another of them...

[Clark Kent.]

Snipes was by far the only actor they could've gotten for Blade, and I personally wish he'd get out of the career funk he's in right now and do another of them...

Doubt Dave Goyer would work with him again.

[odiin]

Doubt he would work with David Goyer again.

fixed.

[DV8]

why? did they have beef or something? actually . . . I kind of remember hearing about some kind of infringement of Snipe's contract, is that right? Goyer is a decent writer, but horrible director . . .

[odiin]

why? did they have beef or something? actually . . . I kind of remember hearing about some kind of infringement of Snipe's contract, is that right? Goyer is a decent writer, but horrible director . . .

Bingo.

Wesley Snipes hated Blade: Trinity as much as the rest of us, and made no attempt to hide it while filming.

[KenK]

why? did they have beef or something? actually . . . I kind of remember hearing about some kind of infringement of Snipe's contract, is that right? Goyer is a decent writer, but horrible director . . .

Snipes hated the direction Goyer was taking with Blade Trinity, because there was too much focus on the Nightstalkers. Yeah, most would write it off as ego-trippin, but New Line clearly meant for Trinity to merely be a transition film for a Nightstalkers franchise, so Snipes (having served as a producer on all three films) being pissed is somewhat understandable. And Goyer clearly didn't have a clue what he was doing. Even by his own admission, he wanted to cast as many comedic actors as possible, leadingto all the ridiculously forced humor.

[DV8]

^yeah . . . to be honest, I didn't even make it halfway through that piece of garbage . . . you would have thought Snipes would have had more say (being a producer) in hiring the director he wanted . . .

[Untilteld]

wes needs work

[Golgo-13]

Wes needs to get back on the big screen, and leave those straight to dvd movies alone. Anyhow, happy b day Snipes!

[skorponok]

Snipes has so much charisma and a very definite intensity. He needs a comeback role.

[The Dark Defender]

^yeah . . . to be honest, I didn't even make it halfway through that piece of garbage . . . you would have thought Snipes would have had more say (being a producer) in hiring the director he wanted . . .

I heard Snipes didn't find out till very shortly before shooting that Goyer would be at the helm, and he was extremely pissed when he found out.

[Warhammer]

Wesley got screwed. Del Toro passed Blade: Trinity for Hellboy, Stephen Norrington was unavailable, and New Line (for some odd reason) hired David Goyer to direct. I ended up getting screwed by watching the film. Everybody else got screwed for watching the film. Blade (as a franchsise) got screwed, and will probably never see any more spotlight for the next 200 years.

With that said, do some big films again, Wesley Snipes, and Happy B-Day! :up:

[Sawyer]

Actor Wesley Snipes has slammed the media for portraying him as a "bad guy" after he was charged with tax fraud, claiming he is a victim of racism. Snipes, 45, is due to stand trial next month in Florida on charges he fraudulently claimed tax refunds of almost $12 million in 1996 and 1997. He is also accused of failing to file tax returns from 1999 to 2004. But the star has blamed the press and its racial prejudice for over-exaggerating the scandal, and depicting him as a villain. He says, "It was easy for people to jump on the 'Wesley's the bad guy' bandwagon. That's where I think the systematic racism comes in. We're conditioned in this country to believe that if there's a problem, the black man is the culprit." Snipes also blames discrimination for the box office failure of his 2004 movie Blade: Trinity. He adds, "There are so few guys who do action and do it well. Even fewer who are African-American. Even fewer who have classical-theater training. So a cat like me coming in, I'm bringing all of that to an action movie. Since there are so few people that do this and have that pedigree, people disregard their contribution."

Yeah... I'm sure that tax evasion thing had nothing to do with it.

[Steve Rogers]

What does skin color have to do with paying your taxes?

[Sawyer]

What does skin color have to do with paying your taxes?

Exactly.

[Steve Rogers]

Capone was white.

[Warhammer]

Poor Brother Darkness. :o

[GoldenAgeHero]

he'll make a good brother voodoo

[Memphis Slim]

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g234/Andrightlyso/racecard.jpg

[Fledermaus]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/jacestar911/thats_racist.gif

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Well I think Snipes is racist. Deal with that!

[chamber-music]

Wesley Blade Trinity sucked because it was basically a rehash of the last two films and nothing intresting happened in it. Also the villians where lame and Goyer was too busy kissing Ryan Reynolds ass to focus on making a good movie.
Not to menition there was little character development through the 3 films.

If he is so discriminated against why where the first two blade films so successful. They wouldn't of made a third if the other two where not popular, so his arguement doesn't hold water.

[Immortalfire]

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g234/Andrightlyso/racecard.jpg

LoL

[blackcobra]

Wesely Snipes is an embarrasment to our race. If anything, he's been given preferential treatment because he's a celebirty. If that was any one of us, our houses, car, and payroll checks will be garnished until the debt is paid. My father had a run in with the IRS. And they confiscate, and ask questions later. How could he be so stupid to not file taxes in 4 years being the high profile celebirty he is. And Blade 3 sucked because the story was ****ty, and the action was mediocre at best.

[amazingfantasy15]

Actor Wesley Snipes has slammed the media for portraying him as a "bad guy" after he was charged with tax fraud, claiming he is a victim of racism. Snipes, 45, is due to stand trial next month in Florida on charges he fraudulently claimed tax refunds of almost $12 million in 1996 and 1997. He is also accused of failing to file tax returns from 1999 to 2004. But the star has blamed the press and its racial prejudice for over-exaggerating the scandal, and depicting him as a villain. He says, "It was easy for people to jump on the 'Wesley's the bad guy' bandwagon. That's where I think the systematic racism comes in. We're conditioned in this country to believe that if there's a problem, the black man is the culprit." Snipes also blames discrimination for the box office failure of his 2004 movie Blade: Trinity. He adds, "There are so few guys who do action and do it well. Even fewer who are African-American. Even fewer who have classical-theater training. So a cat like me coming in, I'm bringing all of that to an action movie. Since there are so few people that do this and have that pedigree, people disregard their contribution."

Yeah... I'm sure that tax evasion thing had nothing to do with it.

So Wesley Snipes should be portrayed in the media as a good guy because he didn't pay his taxes?

Also, didn't he say he didn't even want to be a part of Blade Trinity?

[Sawyer]

Also, didn't he say he didn't even want to be a part of Blade Trinity?

Something to that effect.

[Memphis Slim]

"ALWAYS BET ON BLACK!"
http://img.mp3fiesta.com/covers/62/6268/alb_92759_big.jpghttp://www.dreamagic.com/roger/passenger57.gif

[RockSP]

Wesely Snipes is an embarrasment to our race.

:huh:

[Warhammer]

^Yeah, I think that was very drastic. Wesley Snipes ain't all that now.

:lmao: @ the race card.

[blackcobra]

:huh:

OMG, NIGGRAS POST ON SHH. J/K :woot:


If you can't figure this one out for yourself then I don't know what to tell you.

[RockSP]

If you can't figure this one out for yourself then I don't know what to tell you.

It's not that I couldn't figure it out. It's that it made no sense.

Black people aren't monolithic, regardless of what the media tries to tell America...and the world.

Wesley doing dumb shiznit has nothing to do with me. Or any other black person.

[ShadowBoxing]

Wesley Snipes should quit complaining and just go take out the entire IRS Kung Fu style...

[Golgo-13]

I'm a big Snipes fan. This thread should have been titled the Wesley Snipes appreciation thread, as he definitely deserves one.

He still looks like he can kick some ass. Did anyone see him with Denzel at the Mayweather/Haggler fight two weeks ago...?

Snipes is the man! :up:

[RockSP]

Did anyone see him with Denzel at the Mayweather/Haggler fight two weeks ago...?

I hope they do another film together.

[Golgo-13]

Me too. I hope Wes stops making those straight to dvd movies and gets back on the big screen.

[Manic]

Jeeze. Now Wesley's just plain abusing the race card. That thing should only be used in job interviews, applications to Ivy League schools, interracial dating, and getting Barack Obama into the senate.


;)

[Super_Ludacris]

Okay people,

Before you slam Wesley at least here his side of the story:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20165873,00.html

Do I think Wesley's allegations of racism are ridiculous? Absolutley. But I do agree with his issues regarding Blade Trinity? Who doesnt? Seems his problems with the film were the same that everyone else had. And frankly, I find his battle with the IRS over tax refunds rather endearing if not slightly comedic. Who doesnt want to get millions of bucks back from the Tax Man.

Wes has got that swagger and charisma that shines so much in real life that you cant help but root for him. His movies havent aged well by any means but his characters are classic (Nino Brown, Blade and Simon Phoenix).

The whole article is brilliant, like you couldnt make this stuff up. Yo, this nygga tried create bodygaurd service of Amen-Ra Students!!!!! :woot: LMAO@ the feds trying to connect him Malachi York!!! Serious, think about that for a second. Let that swirl in your head. Who in there right mind links Malachi York to Wesley Snipes. I'm laughing out right now just thinking about it.

For sheer ludicriousness alone I hope Wesley comes back from all this. We need people like him on the screen. Denzel only has so much swagger to carry around.

Reading that article and remembering some of his films, I'm already wishing he gets put in the next Batman film. I dont even care who he plays. He can play Nino Brown, resurrected from the Lazurus Pit and leader of the League of Shadows gang in Gotham!! :woot: . I will play top Dollar for a Bale-Snipes movie!:wow:


Keep ya head up Wes!

[kane9321]

damn wesley...its not about racism..it about paying your damed taxes

[Golgo-13]

Snipes has more swagger than Denzel to me. Denzel is more GQ. Snipes is more street.

Even his name is cool!

I read about an incident a few years back where Snipes got into a full blown battle with some security guards, at a hotel. Snipes is a real life martial artist, so when security try to subdue him, he put some serious **** on their asses, and they had to call for back-up to finally get him out of the hotel, LOL! :D

I'll try and find the article later.

[Super_Ludacris]

damn wesley...its not about racism..it about paying your damed taxes

Yo read the article, Wes didnt owe taxes, he demanded refunds.

lol@ demand millions in refunds though. That's that Nino Swag

[Super_Ludacris]

Snipes has more swagger than Denzel to me. Denzel is more GQ. Snipes is more street.

Even his name is cool!

I read about an incident a few years back where Snipes got into a full blown battle with some security guards, at a hotel. Snipes is a real life martial artist, so when security try to subdue him, he put some serious **** on their asses, and they had to call for back-up to finally get him out of the hotel, LOL! :D

I'll try and find the article later.

Snipes= OG Swag.

lol@ this dude going Jim Kelly on Suge Knight bodygaurds styled on em.

[kane9321]

nino brown baby

[Super_Ludacris]

Taxlady: Mr. Snipes you are aware that demand refunds in taxed without proper evidence of reciepts and...

Wesley: Cancel that ******!!!!

[blackcobra]

It's not that I couldn't figure it out. It's that it made no sense.

Black people aren't monolithic, regardless of what the media tries to tell America...and the world.

Wesley doing dumb shiznit has nothing to do with me. Or any other black person.


That's not how the media sees it. How many times has the media made this the focus of the story? Even if there was racial bias, the media diminishes the effectiveness of the racism charge, when they trivialize it, by comparing it to a card.

[DX]

Excuses, excuses.....eh, Snipes? :whatever:

[Warhammer]

Taxlady: Mr. Snipes you are aware that demand refunds in taxed without proper evidence of reciepts and...

Wesley: Cancel that ******!!!!

:lmao:

[terry78]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080201/ap_en_mo/snipes_tax_trial

Not guilty, mutha****as!

[Addendum]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080201/ap_en_mo/snipes_tax_trial

Not guilty, mutha****as!

For the major stuff yes, but was found guilty of 3 misdemeanors.

Still, much better for him

[Golgo-13]

Go Snipes! :up:

[Manic]

I was flipping through the channels the other day. You'll never guess who I saw on a Total Gym commercial, intercut with clips of Norris and Brinkley.

[Sawyer]

I bet the jury was just afraid that if they found him guilty, he would accuse them of racism.

[Golgo-13]

When has that ever stopped a jury before?

[chamber-music]

Blade wins

[Sawyer]

When has that ever stopped a jury before?

Good point.

[RickO'Connell]

The Blade star, 45, was sentenced Thursday to three years behind bars as his punishment for tax evasion, U.S. District Judge William Terrell Hodges announced in an Ocala, Fla., courtroom.

During the sentencing the actor sat stone-faced – and some in the courtroom gasped when the sentence was read. "I'm very sorry for my mistakes and errors. I apologize to my family, the court and the community," Snipes said in court. "I've asked the court to show me mercy and the opportunity to make things right."

In February, a federal jury convicted Snipes of three counts of failing to file a tax return (from 1999 through 2001). Thursday he received 12 months for each count.

Earlier this year, he was acquitted on the more serious charges of conspiracy to defraud the government and filing a false claim for a $7 million refund – both felonies – as well as three similar counts of failure to file returns for the years 2002, 2003 and 2004.

Had Snipes been convicted on all counts, he faced being incarcerated for up to 16 years.

The prosecution, seeking to make an example of Snipes, had requested the maximum: three years in prison and a fine of at least $5 million.

Sought Probation, Not Prison
The defense, on the other hand, sought probation rather than prison time. "Wesley Snipes is not a dangerous man who needs to be imprisoned to protect the public," Snipes' attorney said in his sentencing memo.

"He is contrite, promises that he will never again break the law, and respectfully asks the court to consider not just the jury verdict but also all the good that he has done in his life."

Snipe's side also claims the tax loss from 1999 through 2001 is only $227,959.

Whatever the sum, "The IRS will still try to collect the money. You can count on that," Victor Lessoff, who heads the Internal Revenue office in Tampa, tells PEOPLE.



http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20194986,00.html?xid=rss-topheadlines

[Yurka]

This upsets me, Snipes gets 3 years for tax evasion and celebs like Lindsay Lohan get less than a slap on the wrist for driving under the influence, totalling their vehicles and putting peoples lives in danger. Granted the offenses are VERY different, it still pisses me off.

[DV8]

"Once release from prison, Wesley Snipes will star in the long anticipated sequel to 1992 baskeball comedy/drama entitled Black Men Can't Cheat the Government" :hehe: :(

[JaD]

:wow:

That's a damn shame, everything Yurka said IMO

[kez1984]

Some mother****ers are always trying to ice skate uphill.

[RockSP]

Yeah that is crazy as hell.

[Geo7877]

That's what you get for Blade Trinity.

[RockSP]

^^lol...damn.

[LastSunrise1981]

Dubya lies to the American people about WMD's and thousands of innocent lives are lost in Iraq and he escapes with no penalty.

Lindsay Lohan drives under the influence and is given no punishment.

I definitely feel Wesley should've been given probation or maybe a year in prison at least, however, he can always appeal his sentencing and I'm sure he will. He's rich and I truly doubt he's going to see a day in jail to be honest.

[Neptune]

"Once release from prison, Wesley Snipes will star in the long anticipated sequel to 1992 baskeball comedy/drama entitled Black Men Can't Cheat the Government" :hehe: :(

:pal:

[Magneto29]

Ouch, 3 years is a long time for someone like him. Sucksss :p

[Sawyer]

That's what you get for Blade Trinity.

:D :up:

[Dark Donnie]

I actually think he deserved prison time maybe not three years but something. Someone broke it down that he owed 2.7 million off of the 13.8 Million he made, thats only what 20%? Most of us pay much more....he was being greedy and got caught.

[Addendum]

Aww, a celebrity is going to jail.

[RockSP]

Aww, a celebrity is going to jail.

...over some bulls#$@

[LastSunrise1981]

I actually think he deserved prison time maybe not three years but something. Someone broke it down that he owed 2.7 million off of the 13.8 Million he made, thats only what 20%? Most of us pay much more....he was being greedy and got caught.

Truthfully though as rich as he is it would be naive of the government to think he actually handled his own taxes. Celebrities like Michael Jackson, Wesley Snipes, Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Oprah, Tom Cruise, Will Smith, and so forth have so much money that they have agents do their taxes.

So it's possible Wesley may've been a victim of someone else being careless with his taxes and not filing them like he may've trusted them to do.

[Golgo-13]

Truthfully though as rich as he is it would be naive of the government to think he actually handled his own taxes. Celebrities like Michael Jackson, Wesley Snipes, Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Oprah, Tom Cruise, Will Smith, and so forth have so much money that they have agents do their taxes.

So it's possible Wesley may've been a victim of someone else being careless with his taxes and not filing them like he may've trusted them to do.

Agreed, and i'm quite sure he used that as a defense. Apparently the judge wasn't buying it.:csad:

[Addendum]

...over some bulls#$@

Oh well. I'm not losing sleep because Willie Mays Hayes is off to the big house

[RockSP]

You're the only one. The rest of us are torn up about it.

[Addendum]

Why, was he coming to your home for Thanksgiving?

[Drizzle]

Three years jail time is too harsh a punishment for tax evasion.

A hefty fine? Absolutely.

Community service? Maybe.

But jail time? No.

[RockSP]

Why, was he coming to your home for Thanksgiving?

Exactly. He was supposed to be carving the turkey with Blade's...blade.

[Cosmic]

This is ********! Fight the power, Blade!

[Nathan Petrelli]

Lindsay Lohan does cocaine, gets drunk and goes behind the wheel, she gets a suspended sentence and sent to rehab for a few days

Nicole Richie does prescription pills, gets stoned and drinks, drives on the wrong side of the highway and gets what... 45 minutes in jail?

the American Justice system is disgusting

[Catman]

So...my tax dollars are going to providing a jail cell for Wesley Snipes? Nice.

[Geo7877]

Three years jail time is too harsh a punishment for tax evasion.

A hefty fine? Absolutely.

Community service? Maybe.

But jail time? No.


Al Capone was sentenced to 11 years for tax evasion.

[KALEL114]

More info.

OCALA, Fla. -- Wesley Snipes was sentenced to three years in prison on tax charges Thursday, a victory for prosecutors who sought to make an example of the action star by aggressively pursuing the maximum penalty.

Snipes' lawyers had spent much of the day in court offering dozens of letters from family members, friends — even fellow actors Woody Harrelson and Denzel Washington — attesting to the good character of the "Blade" star and asking for leniency. They argued he should get only probation because his three convictions were all misdemeanors and the actor had no previous criminal record.

But U.S. District Judge William Terrell Hodges said Snipes exhibited a "history of contempt over a period of time" for U.S. tax laws, and granted prosecutors the three year sentence they requested — one year for each of Snipes' convictions of willfully failing to file a tax return.

"In my mind these are serious crimes, albeit misdemeanors," Hodges said.

Snipes apologized while reading from a written statement for his "costly mistakes," but never mentioned the word taxes.

"I am an idealistic, naive, passionate, truth-seeking, spiritually motivated artist, unschooled in the science of law and finance," Snipes said.

Snipes said his wealth and celebrity attracted "wolves and jackals like flies are attracted to meat." He called himself "well-intentioned, but miseducated."

Snipes was the highest-profile criminal tax target in years, and prosecutors called for a heavy sentence to deter others from trying to obstruct the IRS. The government alleged Snipes made at least $13.8 million for the years in question and owed $2.7 million in back taxes.

Snipes was acquitted in February of five additional charges, including felony tax fraud and conspiracy. Snipes' co-defendants, Douglas P. Rosile and Eddie Ray Kahn, were convicted on both those counts. Kahn, who refused to defend himself in court, was sentenced to 10 years, while Rosile received 54 months. Both will serve three years of supervised release. Snipes will serve one year of supervised release.

Snipes and Rosile remain free and will be notified when they are to surrender to authorities.

Kahn was the founder of American Rights Litigators, and a successor group, Guiding Light of God Ministries, that purported to help members legally avoid paying taxes. Rosile, a former accountant who lost his licenses in Ohio and Florida, prepared Snipes' paperwork.

Snipes maintained in a years-long battle with the IRS he did not have to pay taxes, using fringe arguments common to "tax protesters" who say the government has no legal right to collect. After joining Kahn's group, the government said Snipes instructed his employees to stop paying their own taxes and sought $11 million in 1996 and 1997 taxes he legally paid.

Prosecutors sought to justify the maximum sentence by raising those and other details from the IRS investigation, as well as a tax loss even for years in which Snipes was acquitted of failing to file a return. Such "relevant conduct" is allowed by law for a judge's consideration at sentencing.

Criminal tax prosecutions are relatively rare — usually the cases are handled in civil court, where the government has a lower burden of proof. Prosecutors said Snipes' case was important to send a message to would-be tax protesters not to test the government.

[EdRyder]

So...my tax dollars are going to providing a jail cell for Wesley Snipes? Nice.

Dont forget your tax dollars were spent prosecuting him for over a year.


Anyway, I didnt know all that( ^up) The media and Snipes kept depicting it like he was a victim of circumstances(although i know ignorance of the law isnt a defense) But that above post paints a completely different picture.He fought the law and the law won.

Side note: Doesnt he own and operate some kind of Ninja compound in Indiana where they train bodyguards for celebs?

[Cmill216]

Tax evasion? Tax evasion?! That's it???

You mean to tell me I'm going to miss out on a potential Blade 4 before 2011 just because Wes didn't feel like giving The Man a few more dollas???

To hell with this! There will be blood! :cmad:

[Catman]

Al Capone was sentenced to 11 years for tax evasion.

On paper he was sentenced for tax evasion, but in reality he was sentenced cause he was the biggest mob boss in the USA.

[Addendum]

You mean to tell me I'm going to miss out on a potential Blade 4 before 2011 just because Wes didn't feel like giving The Man a few more dollas???


It's not like Blade 4 would have been good anyway

[<(o_o)>]

Tax evasion? Tax evasion?! That's it???

You mean to tell me I'm going to miss out on a potential Blade 4 before 2011 just because Wes didn't feel like giving The Man a few more dollas???

To hell with this! There will be blood! :cmad:

Who knows, Blade 4 may take place in Prison. Snipes will be a target in any prison he is placed in & will then feel inclined to use martial arts to defend himself & probably get more jail time.

[LexCorp]

People just care about money.....they take that more seriously than other celebs who run around snorting coke. :(

[chamber-music]

Al Capone was sentenced to 11 years for tax evasion.
Thats because its the only crime they could get him with. If they could of arrested him for all the other stuff he would of been.

Lindsay Lohan does cocaine, gets drunk and goes behind the wheel, she gets a suspended sentence and sent to rehab for a few days

Nicole Richie does prescription pills, gets stoned and drinks, drives on the wrong side of the highway and gets what... 45 minutes in jail?

the American Justice system is disgusting

Yes but they are rich attractive white girls its obvious they would never go to prison :whatever:

Snipes should of got OJ's lawyer, it ain't like he couldn't afford him.

seriously though 3 years is harsh. A year in prision and a hefty fine would of been more fitting and enough of an example.
People who have done far worst crimes have got less than 3 years.

[Dark Donnie]

More info.

OCALA, Fla. -- Wesley Snipes was sentenced to three years in prison on tax charges Thursday, a victory for prosecutors who sought to make an example of the action star by aggressively pursuing the maximum penalty.

Snipes' lawyers had spent much of the day in court offering dozens of letters from family members, friends — even fellow actors Woody Harrelson and Denzel Washington — attesting to the good character of the "Blade" star and asking for leniency. They argued he should get only probation because his three convictions were all misdemeanors and the actor had no previous criminal record.

But U.S. District Judge William Terrell Hodges said Snipes exhibited a "history of contempt over a period of time" for U.S. tax laws, and granted prosecutors the three year sentence they requested — one year for each of Snipes' convictions of willfully failing to file a tax return.

"In my mind these are serious crimes, albeit misdemeanors," Hodges said.

Snipes apologized while reading from a written statement for his "costly mistakes," but never mentioned the word taxes.

"I am an idealistic, naive, passionate, truth-seeking, spiritually motivated artist, unschooled in the science of law and finance," Snipes said.

Snipes said his wealth and celebrity attracted "wolves and jackals like flies are attracted to meat." He called himself "well-intentioned, but miseducated."

Snipes was the highest-profile criminal tax target in years, and prosecutors called for a heavy sentence to deter others from trying to obstruct the IRS. The government alleged Snipes made at least $13.8 million for the years in question and owed $2.7 million in back taxes.

Snipes was acquitted in February of five additional charges, including felony tax fraud and conspiracy. Snipes' co-defendants, Douglas P. Rosile and Eddie Ray Kahn, were convicted on both those counts. Kahn, who refused to defend himself in court, was sentenced to 10 years, while Rosile received 54 months. Both will serve three years of supervised release. Snipes will serve one year of supervised release.

Snipes and Rosile remain free and will be notified when they are to surrender to authorities.

Kahn was the founder of American Rights Litigators, and a successor group, Guiding Light of God Ministries, that purported to help members legally avoid paying taxes. Rosile, a former accountant who lost his licenses in Ohio and Florida, prepared Snipes' paperwork.

Snipes maintained in a years-long battle with the IRS he did not have to pay taxes, using fringe arguments common to "tax protesters" who say the government has no legal right to collect. After joining Kahn's group, the government said Snipes instructed his employees to stop paying their own taxes and sought $11 million in 1996 and 1997 taxes he legally paid.

Prosecutors sought to justify the maximum sentence by raising those and other details from the IRS investigation, as well as a tax loss even for years in which Snipes was acquitted of failing to file a return. Such "relevant conduct" is allowed by law for a judge's consideration at sentencing.

Criminal tax prosecutions are relatively rare — usually the cases are handled in civil court, where the government has a lower burden of proof. Prosecutors said Snipes' case was important to send a message to would-be tax protesters not to test the government.

The article explains it all, Snipes sounds like a moron.

[Golgo-13]

Just hear this story on the news.

They say stars like 'Denzel Washington' wrote letters on Snipes behalf to the judge, attesting to his character.

[Lunar_Wolf]

This upsets me, Snipes gets 3 years for tax evasion and celebs like Lindsay Lohan get less than a slap on the wrist for driving under the influence, totalling their vehicles and putting peoples lives in danger. Granted the offenses are VERY different, it still pisses me off.
I totally agree.
Fine him, but 3 years is ridiculous.
Heard of a case yesterday. Man raped and almost killed a woman...got 7 years:cmad:. 4 more years than Snipes. I guess money is more important than people.

[CorpusBlack]

Either the government will realize that the vampire problem is too big for them to handle and they'll give Snipes a pardon or Whistler will come back and just break him out of jail.

[Dark Donnie]

I totally agree.
Fine him, but 3 years is ridiculous.
Heard of a case yesterday. Man raped and almost killed a woman...got 7 years:cmad:. 4 more years than Snipes. I guess money is more important than people.
I do agree that 3 years is a huge sentence, and he is more likely being made an example of. However from the sound of the article it sounds like he knowingly evaded taxes, unlike what Sunrise said.

[chamber-music]

Either the government will realize that the vampire problem is too big for them to handle and they'll give Snipes a pardon or Whistler will come back and just break him out of jail.

I don't know how many more times Whistler can comeback from the dead :word:

The prision gaurds are gonna have a real problem on their hands when snipes doesn't get his serum...........

[Dark Donnie]

Hopefully Ving doesn't get thrown in......http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/12398/undisputed.jpg

:dry:

[CorpusBlack]

I don't know how many more times Whistler can comeback from the dead :word:

The prision gaurds are gonna have a real problem on their hands when snipes doesn't get his serum...........

Whistler can come back as many times as they write him back in. :cwink:

[Super_Ludacris]

Am I the only one who thought it was hilarious and ironic that he tried to offer the judge a $5 million cheque? lol

Ayooo Ninooooo!

Man, Wesley is pure pimpin comedy through and through. Stay up my dude, the world is less of a place without you :(

[lazur]

Truthfully though as rich as he is it would be naive of the government to think he actually handled his own taxes. Celebrities like Michael Jackson, Wesley Snipes, Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Oprah, Tom Cruise, Will Smith, and so forth have so much money that they have agents do their taxes.

So it's possible Wesley may've been a victim of someone else being careless with his taxes and not filing them like he may've trusted them to do.

Umm, I don't care how rich and spoiled you are. There are certain things you have to take ownership over, like your own responsibility to make sure taxes are paid. He's rich and famous, but he is not exempt from looking at his own damned tax returns to make sure it was done. The guy hasn't paid ANY taxes since 1998, and what you're trying to imply is that he 'just didn't know.' BS. I have no sympathy for the guy.

[Erzengel]

He's f'ed.

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/sections/1316/1316.jpg

[04nbod]

that was more than i expected

[RickO'Connell]

The IRS obviously wanted to make an example using Wesley Snipes on other movie stars if they ever got any bright ideas. But Wesley Snipes is able to afford paying them just about check they hand him to avoid this jail time. I give credit to the IRS for not letting him off easy

[CorpusBlack]

Where's SuBe dropping a line about how Wesley would be a free man if our country adopted the FairTax?

[Lunar_Wolf]

When The Snipes gets out he needs to make a movie about himself in jail.

INT. JAIL-NIGHT

Snipes is laying in bed. He hears his jail cell open. A cop stands with Mr Jack Nelson, the most violent criminal known to man. Nelson only got 5 years for 6 murders but that's beside the point right now. Right now Nelson is handing the cop a 100 dollar bill. Snipes knew he was going to be touched, in ways a man should not be touched.

SNIPES

You ain't taking me to the cleaners, suckas.

Snipes gets up and snaps Nelsons neck like a twig. The Snipes grabs the cop by the ear and takes the 100 dollar bill from his hand. He crumples it up and shoves it down the cops throat. Snipes then elbows the cop in the throat, killing him instantly.

SNIPES

Never mess with a vampire killing, basketball playing, non tax return black man.

[JewishHobbit]

Yeah, after reading that second article I don't feel sorry for Snipes at all. Hopefully he'll serve his sentance and bounce back after it, but I can't say he doesn't deserve it.

[Docker2.0]

Dubya lies to the American people about WMD's and thousands of innocent lives are lost in Iraq and he escapes with no penalty.

Lindsay Lohan drives under the influence and is given no punishment.

I definitely feel Wesley should've been given probation or maybe a year in prison at least, however, he can always appeal his sentencing and I'm sure he will. He's rich and I truly doubt he's going to see a day in jail to be honest.

Lindsay Lohan does cocaine, gets drunk and goes behind the wheel, she gets a suspended sentence and sent to rehab for a few days

Nicole Richie does prescription pills, gets stoned and drinks, drives on the wrong side of the highway and gets what... 45 minutes in jail?

the American Justice system is disgusting
Exactly! I'm the last one who stands up for celebs but this is ridiculous when it comes to the other things that other celebs/famous for nothing sluts have done. :whatever:

[Super_Ludacris]

I mean it could have been worse.....

Old dude could have capped him in the dome as he came down the steps of the courthouse.
























....and Judd Nelson and Ice T would just be standing there smirking.

[JewishHobbit]

Just because of the attrocious results of Lohan and others' crimes, doesn't make this one less. It's good that Snipes got what he deserved. The other girls should have gotten what they deserved also, but since they didn't, that doesn't mean that Snipes shoudn't either. That'd just make the whole celebrity justice system thing worse in my opinion. I hate that Snipes is going to jail for 3 years, but he did the crime and I'm glad he's justly being punished. Hopefully this'll open the door for other celebrities to actually have to pay for their idiotic behaviors.

[Golgo-13]

I mean it could have been worse.....

Old dude could have capped him in the dome as he came down the steps of the courthouse.

....and Judd Nelson and Ice T would just be standing there smirking.

..and "For the love of Money" could have started playing.

[Memphis Slim]

...over some bulls#$@

It's not B.S.

If I gotta pay my taxes, so should Snipes. It's his money and his fault that he didn't pay attention to his own money....if that's the case. :whatever:

He a great actor when he's serious. And this is very unfortunate. But celebs shouldn't skate because we like 'em. Since 1998????????

And then he fled over seas to Africa for a while when all this started to surface....that really didn't help his cause.

So ....I hope he can weather this one. I'm sure it will be a "white-collar" prisonand not hardcore place.

[Memphis Slim]

...over some bulls#$@

ALWAYS BET ON BLACK!!

http://actors.pick2web.com/pics/940386/wesleysnipes_passenger57.jpg

[Poeman]

Dont they know...they cant keep Simon Phoenix is jail for too long

[LastSunrise1981]

Umm, I don't care how rich and spoiled you are. There are certain things you have to take ownership over, like your own responsibility to make sure taxes are paid. He's rich and famous, but he is not exempt from looking at his own damned tax returns to make sure it was done. The guy hasn't paid ANY taxes since 1998, and what you're trying to imply is that he 'just didn't know.' BS. I have no sympathy for the guy.

What I'm saying is he may've trusted his agent to do his taxes. Look, we all know he's rich and a lot of celebrites are rich. Chances are Wesley said to his agent "Remember to do my taxes and I'm trusting you" and left it at that for all we know. Stupid? Yes, simply because one should always know where his/her money is going and if bills are being paid.

But for anyone to think he handles his own taxes is retarded. And where was the government after 1998? You mean to tell me that they waited 10 years to bust him?

And he most likely didn't know. Guys like MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, and so forth often said that when they made money they trusted other people to handle it for them and that's when the trouble started. My point is it wouldn't surprise me if Wesley was a victim of someone else being careless. Then again you are a staunch Bush supporter, so I bet if this happened to him, you'd be defending him now as well. So spare me the holier than thou act Lazur.

[Dark Donnie]

Dont they know...they cant keep Simon Phoenix is jail for too long

haha i wonder if he'll get the cryogenic treatment when he's in there.

[Memphis Slim]

What I'm saying is he may've trusted his agent to do his taxes. Look, we all know he's rich and a lot of celebrites are rich. Chances are Wesley said to his agent "Remember to do my taxes and I'm trusting you" and left it at that for all we know. Stupid? Yes, simply because one should always know where his/her money is going and if bills are being paid.

But for anyone to think he handles his own taxes is retarded. And where was the government after 1998? You mean to tell me that they waited 10 years to bust him?

And he most likely didn't know. Guys like MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, and so forth often said that when they made money they trusted other people to handle it for them and that's when the trouble started. My point is it wouldn't surprise me if Wesley was a victim of someone else being careless. Then again you are a staunch Bush supporter, so I bet if this happened to him, you'd be defending him now as well. So spare me the holier than thou act Lazur.


I don't handle mine either. I have an accountant. BUT
I have enough sense to know that I still have to sign them. You mean to tell me that snipes thought nothing was strange about that?

And are we to believe that every year ....every April 15th snipes was never inquiring about how much he owed this year or that year??

Naaaaah....

[jaguarr]

Tax evasion? Tax evasion?! That's it???

You mean to tell me I'm going to miss out on a potential Blade 4 before 2011 just because Wes didn't feel like giving The Man a few more dollas???

To hell with this! There will be blood! :cmad:

I think the problem is that he was trying to not give The Man ANY dollahs and was pretty defiant and willful about not paying his taxes over the course of several years, and THAT is what got him into trouble. He should thank his lucky stars that the felony charges got dropped and STFU and do his time. Doubtful he'll do all three years anyway.

As for the next installment of Blade, I have a working title:

"Blade IV: Shanked In The Shower"

jag

[Erzengel]

The Vampires finally got even with the Daywalker.

[jaguarr]

How about "Blade IV: Chained Heat"?

jag

[Addendum]

What I'm saying is he may've trusted his agent to do his taxes. Look, we all know he's rich and a lot of celebrites are rich. Chances are Wesley said to his agent "Remember to do my taxes and I'm trusting you" and left it at that for all we know. Stupid? Yes, simply because one should always know where his/her money is going and if bills are being paid.

But for anyone to think he handles his own taxes is retarded. And where was the government after 1998? You mean to tell me that they waited 10 years to bust him?

And he most likely didn't know. Guys like MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, and so forth often said that when they made money they trusted other people to handle it for them and that's when the trouble started. My point is it wouldn't surprise me if Wesley was a victim of someone else being careless. Then again you are a staunch Bush supporter, so I bet if this happened to him, you'd be defending him now as well. So spare me the holier than thou act Lazur.

Being careless is no excuse for violating the law

[Dark Donnie]

Yeah if this was like a one or two year thing ok, but that whole arguement of him not doing his own taxes holds no ground. It went on for what like 6-7 years? Then he even fled to Africa to avoid being jailed.

[Handsome Rob]

I guess he should have paid his taxes. He made his own bed . . . now he gets to lay in it.

[JewishHobbit]

What I'm saying is he may've trusted his agent to do his taxes. Look, we all know he's rich and a lot of celebrites are rich. Chances are Wesley said to his agent "Remember to do my taxes and I'm trusting you" and left it at that for all we know. Stupid? Yes, simply because one should always know where his/her money is going and if bills are being paid.

But for anyone to think he handles his own taxes is retarded. And where was the government after 1998? You mean to tell me that they waited 10 years to bust him?

And he most likely didn't know. Guys like MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, and so forth often said that when they made money they trusted other people to handle it for them and that's when the trouble started. My point is it wouldn't surprise me if Wesley was a victim of someone else being careless. Then again you are a staunch Bush supporter, so I bet if this happened to him, you'd be defending him now as well. So spare me the holier than thou act Lazur.

You did read the second article about how he chose not to pay taxes and encouraged people who worked for him to not pay them either... right?

[RockSP]

Snipes should of got OJ's lawyer, it ain't like he couldn't afford him.


Uhh...seeing that Johnny Cochran is dead, I'd say he couldn't afford him.

[RockSP]

It's not B.S.

If I gotta pay my taxes, so should Snipes. It's his money and his fault that he didn't pay attention to his own money....if that's the case. :whatever:


That's your opinion. Cool.

I'll stick with mine. Jailtime over this is bulls#@.

[DV8]

How about "Blade IV: Chained Heat"?

jag

LMAO!! I saw that Chained Heat was on satelite last night :up:

[Addendum]

That's your opinion. Cool.

I'll stick with mine. Jailtime over this is bulls#@.

Because you just can't wait for his next straight to DVD movie

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Although I think that he should pay his taxes and should be punished for not doing so I believe that 3 years is incredibly harsh. I mean I've see child rapist's get less time.

[DV8]

Because you just can't wait for his next straight to DVD movie

hahaha

[RockSP]

Because you just can't wait for his next straight to DVD movie

You know me so well. :whatever:

[DV8]

I bet he'll be out in a year though . . .

[jaguarr]

That's your opinion. Cool.

I'll stick with mine. Jailtime over this is bulls#@.

Leona Helmsley did time for tax evasion. Was that BS, too? And many a gangsta has been taken down on tax evasion charges. Was that also BS?

jag

[Erzengel]

Al Capone? BS too. :rolleyes:

[RockSP]

Leona Helmsley did time for tax evasion. Was that BS, too? And many a gangsta has been taken down on tax evasion charges. Was that also BS?

jag

Like someone else said they get gangsters on that when they can't get them on what they really want to.

Helmsley deserved the jailtime just for the money she left to that damn dog.

[jaguarr]

Like someone else said they get gangsters on that when they can't get them on what they really want to.

Helmsley deserved the jailtime just for the money she left to that damn dog.

Helmsley did pretty much the same damn thing as Snipes; defiantly did not pay her taxes. Can't have one person deserve jailtime for the same thing as another that you're decrying didn't deserve what they got. Do you pay your taxes, Rock?

jag

[RockSP]

Uh...obviously I was joking about Helmsley.

This is no big thing fellas. If you have imagined I'm Snipes' cheerleader, you're wrong. I feel 3 years in jail over what he did is excessive. That's all. My opinion.

[RickO'Connell]

He will get out early for good behavior no doubt about that or at least parole

[jaguarr]

Uh...obviously I was joking about Helmsley.

This is no big thing fellas. If you have imagined I'm Snipes' cheerleader, you're wrong. I feel 3 years in jail over what he did is excessive. That's all. My opinion.

Helmsley only served something like 19 months on a sixteen year sentence, so I doubt Snipes will do all three years. Like I said, he should be glad the felony charges were dismissed because if they hadn't he'd REALLY be doing some hard time somewhere like Leavenworth. He didn't pay his taxes, he's gotta pay the price.

jag

[Super_Ludacris]

Snipes gets 3 years in Jail for this, but two those cops who shot Sean Bell 50 ****ing times just got off today....

Funny how the world turns..

[RockSP]

Cops never do anything wrong, everyone knows that.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Cops never do anything wrong, everyone knows that.Exactly.

[Addendum]

Snipes gets 3 years in Jail for this, but two those cops who shot Sean Bell 50 ****ing times just got off today....

Funny how the world turns..

Because it's all a conspiracy against the black man :dry::whatever:

[Matt]

Snipes gets 3 years in Jail for this, but two those cops who shot Sean Bell 50 ****ing times just got off today....

Funny how the world turns..

You mean the Sean Bell who hit a cop with his car while fleeing from identified police officers? The same Sean Bell whose blood tests came back intoxicated while he was behind the wheel of a car and fleeing police officers making him a lethal threat to himself, the passengers, pedestrians, the officers, and other motorists? :waa: Being as police officers are rightfully allowed to shoot to kill anyone who presents an active threat to the officers or civilians (as he did while intoxicated behind the wheel of a car) and Bell already hit one man with a car, the shooting was perfectly justified.

[Philly Phanboy]

He'll spend a few months in a minimum security joint and he'll probably come out and get more work offers than he's been getting lately. :confused::up:

[Docker2.0]

I don't think Luda is saying that. I think what he is saying is that blacks tend to get the wrong end of the stick when it comes to justice. I know the cops who shot Bellwere black but to kill a black man and get off free.........wow. :dry:

[Matt]

I don't think Luda is saying that. I think what he is saying is that blacks tend to get the wrong end of the stick when it comes to justice. I know the cops who shot Bellwere black but to kill a black man and get off free.........wow. :dry:

A bkack man who was fleeing behind the wheel of a car while drunk making him a lethal and present threat. The shooting was justified.

[Docker2.0]

You mean the Sean Bell who hit a cop with his car while fleeing from identified police officers? The same Sean Bell whose blood tests came back intoxicated while he was behind the wheel of a car and fleeing police officers making him a lethal threat to himself, the passengers, pedestrians, the officers, and other motorists? :waa: Being as police officers are rightfully allowed to shoot to kill anyone who presents an active threat to the officers or civilians (as he did while intoxicated behind the wheel of a car) and Bell already hit one man with a car, the shooting was perfectly justified.

Is that what happened? :huh: Wow! I only heard about cops getting off for killing a black dude. :csad:

[Matt]

Is that what happened? :huh: Wow! I only heard about cops getting off for killing a black dude. :csad:

Funny what the media leaves out, isn't it? Granted, 50 bullets are a lot, but it was among five officers (only two were charged) and the man was a lethal threat. Oh, also, it has been reported by civilians that Bell's friend was heard saying "yo, get my gun" as he got in the car.

[Docker2.0]

Where did you hear that? Link please. :o

[Dark Donnie]

Where did you hear that? Link please. :o

COPS ACQUITTED IN 50-SHOT SEAN BELL SHOOTING DEATH
3 NYPD Detectives Cleared Of All Charges In 2006 Incident
Sharpton: Verdict Was An 'Abortion' Of Justice
NEW YORK (CBS) ― In what marks the end of one of the most high-profile police-involved shooting trials in New York City, a judge has acquitted three NYPD detectives of all charges in the shooting death of 23-year-old Sean Bell on Friday. Bell was gunned down in a hail of 50 bullets outside a Queens strip club on what would have been his wedding day in November 2006.

Justice Arthur Cooperman delivered the verdict in a Queens courtroom packed with spectators, including victim Bell's fiancee and parents, as at least 200 people gathered outside the building. Inside the courtroom, spectators gasped. Bell's fiancee immediately walked out of the room; his mother cried.

Detectives Gescard Isnora, 29, and Michael Oliver, 36, faced up to 25 years behind bars for manslaughter charges, while Det. Marc Cooper, 40, faced a year in jail on reckless endangerment charges.

"Murderers! Murderers!" many in the crowd shouted as the officers exited the building. Others chanted "PBA, PBA, KKK! KKK!" while some circled in an orderly protest in front of the court house.

"We're grateful that this court ruled on the evidence presented in this case, but in this case there are no winners or losers, we still have to live with a death." Patrick J. Lynch, President of New York's Police Benevolent Association, said in a statement to the media outside the courthouse.

"This sends a message to New York City police officers that when you are in that position, when you are in front of a court house, when you are in front of a court bench, you will get fairness."

Bell's family left the court around 10 a.m., led by Rev. Al Sharpton. The group, appearing visibly upset, moved past a podium set up in front of the court house and did not speak to reporters.

During an afternoon news conference, Sharpton said he planned to continue to fight for the Bell family.

"We intend to pursue this case with all deliberate speed and determination. This verdict is one round down, but the fight is far from over," he said. "What we saw in court today was not a miscarraige of justice, this was an abortion of justice. Justice was aborted."

All three officers appeared at a news conference several hours after the verdicts were returned.

"I'd like to say sorry to the Bell family for the tragedy," Cooper said, thanking God, his lawyers and the police officers who supported him.

Michael Palladino, president of the Detectives Endowment Association, responded angrily to Sharpton's suggestion that the verdicts were unfair.
"That's despicable for him to say that because we have the greatest criminal justice system on earth," he said.

The highly anticipated verdict, which many saw as holding far-reaching social ramifications for New York City and its police force, comes after seven weeks worth of testimony without a jury.

Before announcing the verdict, the judge made a statement indicating that the police officers' version of events was more credible than that of the victims.

"The people have not proved beyond a reasonable doubt that each defendant was not justified" in shooting the victims, Cooperman said.
About the version of events offered by the victims and other prosecution witnesses, he said, "At times the testimony just didn't make sense."

NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly would not comment on the verdict "because any disciplinary actions that result will ultimately come before me."

Kelly added he does not expect violence or rioting to occur as a result of the verdict, but did say "we are prepared for any contingency."

As the verdict was read, CBS 2's Pablo Guzman described Bell's father as giving a look that seemed to say, "What will it take?" Earlier this month, Bell's parents spoke exclusively to Guzman about the trial.

"If the verdict is not guilty, we still pray for peace and understanding," Valerie Bell had said at the time.

"There are no winners in a trial like this. An innocent man lost his life, a bride lost her groom, two daughters lost their father, and a mother and a father lost their son. No verdict could ever end the grief that those who knew and loved Sean Bell suffer," Mayor Michael Bloomberg said in a statement.

"America is a nation of laws, and though not everyone will agree with the verdicts and opinions issued by the courts, we accept their authority. Today's decision is no different," he added.

The detectives, who were responding to complaints about prostitution at the club, had claimed they fired their guns only after Isnora identified himself as a police officer and Bell's car nearly ran him over.

Oliver fired 31 shots in the incident, Isnora fired 11, and Cooper fired four times.

Defense attorneys had said there was evidence that Bell was drunk and "out of control" when he left the club. Witnesses overheard Bell exchange curses with another patron, and heard one of the passengers in the car, Joseph Guzman, who was also shot, say to someone, "Go get my gat," slang for gun. They had also argued Bell had tried to run over Isnora with his car.

Investigators found no gun at the scene.

Prosecutors argued that Oliver would have found there was no threat if he had "paused to reassess" while firing the 31 shots. They said that Cooper fired wildly, with one of his shots even hitting an elevated airport train station. And they alleged that Isnora failed to display his badge in a clearly visible manner and wait for backup, and gave contradictory orders to Bell and his friends.

Bell's fiancé, Nicole Paultre Bell, and his mother have been overwhelmed by the unwavering support they've received since his death.

"I want to start by thanking you all (for) sticking by my family – my other mother and my other father and me. And supporting us because God knows we need it," Paultre Bell said on Thursday night.

Bishop Lester Williams, who is close with the Bell family, spoke with CBS 2 after the verdict was read and said he felt "defeated" by the verdict.

"The decision was very unfair. I don't know what to do at this point," he said. "We are hurt, we are deeply wounded with what's taken place. We will continue to pray, to have faith. This is not the end. This is just a verdict. We still have to live together."

Stay with wcbstv.com and CBS 2 for continuing coverage of this developing story

http://wcbstv.com/seenon/sean.bell.verdict.2.708321.html

[Matt]

Where did you hear that? Link please. :o

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11272006/news/regionalnews/10_seconds_of_hell_in_queens_regionalnews_murray_w eiss.htm?page=0

[Docker2.0]

Way to make me look like an ass Matt! :cmad: You should have told me this days ago! You are no longer in my Fav 5! :csad:

[the_ultimate_evil]

i do think 3 years is a bit much maybe 18 months, but not because of who he is, which a lot people from both sides of the argument on this board can't seem to get past, its more the fact of comparing it to how the justice system works.

there is no doubt he did wrong and should be punished to the full extent of the law but it amazes me thing like this get such huge sentences where as others get ones such lackadaisical ones for example a man in the uk last summer had no licence but drove at high speeds knocked down dragged for 2 miles and killed a 5 year old child, all he got was 8 months, known pedos and such only get 2 years away.

yes snipes was in the wrong there is no doubt about it but damn compare to some of the others who got off was bugger all for a lot worse

[LastSunrise1981]

You did read the second article about how he chose not to pay taxes and encouraged people who worked for him to not pay them either... right?

Anyone can make up a ******** statement and put it in an article. The point is that if he's been doing it for as long as they say he has, he should've been busted and punished for it way before this year.

It's obvious Wesley wasn't someone who concentrated on the business side of things. Celebrities like Michael Jackson, Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Oprah, and Tom Cruise I'm sure sit with their agents, accountants, and etc while their taxes are being done and they know exactly where their money is going at all times. In Wesley's case it's obvious he didn't pay attention to the financial side of his life and he's paying for it now.

Wesley may be a prick but I don't believe he's dumb enough to say the statement that you said. Yes, I realize it's in the article, but as I said, anyone can make up a quote and put it in there in order to make an example out of him still.

[The Chairman]

You mean the Sean Bell who hit a cop with his car while fleeing from identified police officers? The same Sean Bell whose blood tests came back intoxicated while he was behind the wheel of a car and fleeing police officers making him a lethal threat to himself, the passengers, pedestrians, the officers, and other motorists? :waa: Being as police officers are rightfully allowed to shoot to kill anyone who presents an active threat to the officers or civilians (as he did while intoxicated behind the wheel of a car) and Bell already hit one man with a car, the shooting was perfectly justified.

Good to know someone realizes the whole story behind the Sean Bell shooting. 50 shots was excessive, but to say it was entirely unjustified is ********.

Also, Snipes broke the law. 3 years may be a bit much, but he needs to pay regardless.

think what he is saying is that blacks tend to get the wrong end of the stick when it comes to justice.

Say that after reading the story about an Italian American who was murdered in cold blood by an African American, and the African American got four years.

If it was the other way around, the Italian kid would've gotten life.

[The Senator]

You mean the Sean Bell who hit a cop with his car while fleeing from identified police officers? The same Sean Bell whose blood tests came back intoxicated while he was behind the wheel of a car and fleeing police officers making him a lethal threat to himself, the passengers, pedestrians, the officers, and other motorists? :waa: Being as police officers are rightfully allowed to shoot to kill anyone who presents an active threat to the officers or civilians (as he did while intoxicated behind the wheel of a car) and Bell already hit one man with a car, the shooting was perfectly justified.

I'm sorry, but fifty shots is unjustified. These cops could have fired three or four shots, that's perfectly acceptable. But I highly doubt they were in a situation which warranted the unloading of fifty shots into this man in the course of several seconds. These cops deserve to have their lives ruined as much as the lives of Sean Bell's family are.

[The Senator]

\

Also, Snipes broke the law. 3 years may be a bit much, but he needs to pay regardless.

That's interesting, because when Robert Blake killed his wife, he never went to prison. When Martha Stewart engaged in unlawful business practices, she got six months in a minimum-security prison. Paris Hilton drives under the influence-- on several occasions!-- and she gets two days in prison. Yet, Snipes skips out on paying his taxes, and he gets three years?

Snips certainly deserves to be punished, like every celebrity who commits a crime. But three years strikes me as a bit excessive, or at the very least criminal injustice.

[The Chairman]

50 shots was excessive, but to say the cops deserve as harsh a punishment as you claim...rediculous.

They acted as most cops would in that situation. As I said, 50 shots was excessive, but they were threatened. Not to mention Bell and his friends weren't exactly squeaky clean prior to the incident.

[The Chairman]

That's interesting, because when Robert Blake killed his wife, he never went to prison. When Martha Stewart engaged in unlawful business practices, she got six months in a minimum-security prison. Paris Hilton drives under the influence-- on several occasions!-- and she gets two days in prison. Yet, Snipes skips out on paying his taxes, and he gets three years?

Snips certainly deserves to be punished, like every celebrity who commits a crime. But three years strikes me as a bit excessive, or at the very least criminal injustice.

Blake is a white O.J. Simpson.

Stewart I think was just made an example out of. I personally respect her for handling it as well as she did.

And Paris Hilton, as sad and stupid as it may seem, is Paris Hilton. Anyone who really expects her to spend a full prison sentence is naive.

[The Senator]

50 shots was excessive, but to say the cops deserve as harsh a punishment as you claim...rediculous.

No, I think it's perfectly justified. An experienced, intelligent cop wouldn't stand there and repeatedly fire their gun until they kill someone. An experienced, intelligent cop would have fired a few shots in that same period. So, yes, it is excessive, and yes, in my opinion, they deserve time behind bars.


They acted as most cops would in that situation. As I said, 50 shots was excessive, but they were threatened. Not to mention Bell and his friends weren't exactly squeaky clean prior to the incident.

So, because Bell wasn't "squeaky clean," he deserved to 50 shots? His wife and kid deserved his absence in their lives? Wow, I guess that means everyone deserves to be gunned down by insecure police officers, then, since we're not all perfect and all that...

[The Senator]

Blake is a white O.J. Simpson.

Stewart I think was just made an example out of. I personally respect her for handling it as well as she did.

And Paris Hilton, as sad and stupid as it may seem, is Paris Hilton. Anyone who really expects her to spend a full prison sentence is naive.

So that means we should accept things as they are? That because O.J. got free, Blake should have been set free, too (like some kind of symbol of racial equality?)?. That because Paris Hilton is a poor rich white trollop we should just laugh and accept it as part of our society? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

[The Chairman]

No, I think it's perfectly justified. An experienced, intelligent cop wouldn't stand there and repeatedly fire their gun until they kill someone. An experienced, intelligent cop would have fired a few shots in that same period. So, yes, it is excessive, and yes, in my opinion, they deserve time behind bars.

As I said, 50 shots was excessive, but they were doing their jobs. And I doubt every shot was aimed at Bell.

So, because Bell wasn't "squeaky clean," he deserved to 50 shots? His wife and kid deserved his absence in their lives? Wow, I guess that means everyone deserves to be gunned down by insecure police officers, then, since we're not all perfect and all that...[/quote]

Bell chose to follow a cirminal lifestyle. He chose to break the law. He wasn't innocnet before the incident. He should've been aware of the potential consequences.

[The Chairman]

So that means we should accept things as they are? That because O.J. got free, Blake should have been set free, too (like some kind of symbol of racial equality?)?. That because Paris Hilton is a poor rich white trollop we should just laugh and accept it as part of our society? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I'm not saying that at all.

Both Blake and Hilton should've been persecuted. I explained why they got off.

[The Senator]

As I said, 50 shots was excessive, but they were doing their jobs. And I doubt every shot was aimed at Bell.

Even if they weren't aiming at Bell, they should not have fired off more than a few shots, as a sensible police officer would have done. They wouldn't have fired fifty shots in a few seconds, practically obliterating the man in the process.



Bell chose to follow a cirminal lifestyle. He chose to break the law. He wasn;t innocnet before the incident. He should've been aware of the potential consequences.

Well, I'm sure if he knew that three murderous cops would pump fifty shots into him, he would have rescinded his decision to get behind the wheel.

[Docker2.0]

Good to know someone realizes the whole story behind the Sean Bell shooting. 50 shots was excessive, but to say it was entirely unjustified is ********.

Also, Snipes broke the law. 3 years may be a bit much, but he needs to pay regardless.



Say that after reading the story about an Italian American who was murdered in cold blood by an African American, and the African American got four years.

If it was the other way around, the Italian kid would've gotten life.

Ummmmmmmm, yeah I do KNOW that story and the shooting was justified! Dude brought his friends to his son's house to beat his son up. Any father would have done the same. I know I would have. I may have not known the entire Bell story, but I do know that story and the father shouldnt have gotten any time for some kids coming to his house looking for a fight with his son.

[jaguarr]

Let a drunk guy drive a car at you and other pedestrians at high speed and see how many shots you decide to fire at him to get him to stop. ;)

jag

[The Chairman]

Even if they weren't aiming at Bell, they should not have fired off more than a few shots, as a sensible police officer would have done. They wouldn't have fired fifty shots in a few seconds, practically obliterating the man in the process.



Well, I'm sure if he knew that three murderous cops would pump fifty shots into him, he would have rescinded his decision to get behind the wheel.

There's no way to sugarcoat it as far as I'm concerned.

Bell broke the law. He unfortunately, but justifiably, suffered the consequences.

[The Chairman]

Ummmmmmmm, yeah I do KNOW that story and the shooting was justified! Dude brought his friends to his son's house to beat his son up. Any father would have done the same. I know I would have. I may have not known the entire Bell story, but I do know that story and the father shouldnt have gotten any time for some kids coming to his house looking for a fight with his son.

Funny, I heard a completely different story. Most witnesses say there wasn't any indication of what you just said.

[Nathan Petrelli]

Detaining a suspect as a threat to police officers and civilians: shooting out the tires

Being a gun happy pig who just wants to kill and get away with it: shooting someone 50 times without a just cause

[Docker2.0]

Funny, I heard a completely different story. Most witnesses say there wasn't any indication of what you just said.

You HEARD a different story. :whatever: Let's just go by the same links that reported this shooting. How you going to believe one story from the same source but refute another? Again: :whatever:

[The Senator]

There's no way to sugarcoat it as far as I'm concerned.

Bell broke the law. He unfortunately, but justifiably, suffered the consequences.

Okay, then Robert Blake deserves to be injected with a fatal neurotoxin. And Paris Hilton should go back to prison for five years, while Martha Stewart gets ready for her last year in jail.

These cops destroyed this man's life as well as his family. The way to sugarcoat it would be to say "he died because of his own actions." The way to tell it is to say "he died because the incompetent NYPD were too trigger-happy."

[The Chairman]

Yes, becuase shooting out the tires would've prevented him form doing something else once he got out of the car. The man was armed.

Boy, logic sure prevails here at SHH!

Also, in response to that case in Long Island, the father should've called the cops as soon as he saw them. He had no right to go up and shoot the kid in the head. The father was wrong, and so are you. I heard the story again just now.

[The Chairman]

Okay, then Robert Blake deserves to be injected with a fatal neurotoxin. And Paris Hilton should go back to prison for five years, while Martha Stewart gets ready for her last year in jail.

These cops destroyed this man's life as well as his family. The way to sugarcoat it would be to say "he died because of his own actions." The way to tell it is to say "he died because the incompetent NYPD were too trigger-happy."

Agreed on all except Stewart. She served her time well enough.

And Bell brough it upon himself. He was posing a threat to the cops. End of story.

[The Senator]

.

Boy, logic sure prevails here at SHH!


Like the logic which says that a man driving drunk the night before his wedding night deserves to be shot 50 times?

[The Chairman]

Like the logic which says that a man driving drunk the night before his wedding night deserves to be shot 50 times?

He was more than just driving drunk. Are you that daft, jman?

[Docker2.0]

Whatever Chairman. Dude, I don't even play the race card but dude you seem to have something against black people. No matter what happens, they deserve something bad that happens. You are coming off kind of racist. :o

[The Chairman]

Whatever Chairman. Dude, I don't even play the race card but dude you seem to have something against black people. No matter what happens, they deserve something bad that happens. You are coming off kind of racist. :o

I'm not racist in any way, shape or form.

I'm for equal justice. I don't care what the **** someone's race is. If they break the law, they deserve equal crime. If Sean Bell was white, I'd still say the cops were justified. This shouldn't be a race issue, and it's only because *******s like Al Sharpton like to make them cases like this into one.

[Docker2.0]

Just like if 5 black kids came to a white kid's house to beat him up. If the dad shot one of them, he's dead wrong even though he was defending his home and son? Whatever dude. Get your Klan hat and just relax.

[The Chairman]

Just like if 5 black kids came to a white kid's house to beat him up. If the dad shot one of them, he's dead wrong even though he was defending his home and son? Whatever dude. Get your Klan hat and just relax.

White or black, the father should've called the cops. He had no right to go out and shoot them.

If the kids wre planning on actually killing him and were armed themselves, it's a different story.

And knock it off with the racist accusations. I'm not racist. I just don't like it when race cards are played to justify leniency towards major crimes.

[Docker2.0]

I didn't say you were racist. I said you are coming off racist. but you are right. I'm wrong. I shouldn't say that. But if you had a son and some kids came to beat him up, and you had a gun in the house, you wouldn't? Dude was in the right and the ONLY reason he's doing time is cuase the gun wasn't registered. He shouldn't have gotten any time at all. I don't care how bad you are, to go to someone's house to beat them up in front of their parents, you are asking for trouble. And here's somethign else to: how is the "victim's" dad allowed to THREATEN the defendent's son on national tv and not even been questioned about it? Just goes to show you that there is gray areas in the justice area.

[Addendum]

I guess the dad lack the ability to kick the asses of a bunch of kids

[The Chairman]

I didn't say you were racist. I said you are coming off racist. but you are right. I'm wrong. I shouldn't say that. But if you had a son and some kids came to beat him up, and you had a gun in the house, you wouldn't? Dude was in the right and the ONLY reason he's doing time is cuase the gun wasn't registered. He shouldn't have gotten any time at all. I don't care how bad you are, to go to someone's house to beat them up in front of their parents, you are asking for trouble. And here's somethign else to: how is the dad allowed to THREATEN his son on national tv and not even been questioned about it? Just goes to show you that there is gray areas in the justice area.

No, I wouldn't. I'd call 9 / 11, lock my doors, hide my family, etc. I would not use weapons unless they themselves were armed.

And the other dad was wrong, to, I suppose. Both deserve punishment, but to justify murder were there was no intent on the victim's side is rediculous. If he fought them, physically, hand to hand, I'd be okay with it.

[Docker2.0]

No, I wouldn't. I'd call 9 / 11, lock my doors, hide my family, etc. I would not use weapons unless they themselves were armed.

And the other dad was wrong, to, I suppose. Both deserve punishment, but to justify murder were there was no intent on the victim's side is rediculous. If he fought them, physically, hand to hand, I'd be okay with it.

He'd got his butt whooped in front of his family, which is the worst thing a man can have. Bottom line, the kids were wrong. And there were multiple complaints made by the son about the kids but nothing was done. I can't blame the dad. I would have blew their brains out to if they came to my house to fight my son.

[The Chairman]

He'd got his butt whooped in front of his family, which is the worst thing a man can have. Bottom line, the kids were wrong. And there were multiple complaints made by the son about the kids but nothing was done. I can't blame the dad. I would have blew their brains out to if they came to my house to fight my son.

I doubt looking macho in front of his parents was such a priority at the time. :whatever:

He was wrong. He had no right to go "vigilante" on them. He should've called the cops. No one has the right to take the law into their own hands. It works in Batman, but not in reality.

If it makes you feel any better, the kids who were going to beat up his son should receive similar punishment.

[Addendum]

Shooting kids doesn't make someone a man. The dude is just an overgrown child who can't fight

[Docker2.0]

Yeah but have you heard about the Jenna 6? The degree of "justice" that blacks and white receive for similiar crimes,there is a HUGE gap. That's why you have the no snitching rule in the black community becuase of the lack of trust of the law. Those cops beat Rodney King ON TAPE and got off. No wonder the dad did what he did, he didn't trust the justice system and I'm sure it would have come bck to bite his son:hence his son doing time for something crazy, like a counter complaint.

[The Chairman]

Yeah but have you heard about the Jenna 6? The degree of "justice" that blacks and white receive for similiar crimes,there is a HUGE gap. That's why you have the no snitching rule in the black community becuase of the lack of trust of the law. Those cops beat Rodney King ON TAPE and got off. No wonder the dad did what he did, he didn't trust the justice system and I'm sure it would have come bck to bite his son:hence his son doing time for something crazy, like a counter complaint.

King provoked the cops. I forget the entire story, but like Bell, King was targeted for a reason.

[Docker2.0]

King provoked the cops. I forget the entire story, but like Bell, King was targeted for a reason.

WTF! :huh: You can't be serious! It was on tape how those cops beat his ass but you STILL say King was wrong?! Something is wrong with you bro. :huh:

[The Chairman]

WTF! :huh: You can't be serious! It was on tape how those cops beat his ass but you STILL say King was wrong?! Something is wrong with you bro. :huh:

Actually, I recant that. I heard stories that King attacked the cops, but they are false. There I'll admit I'm incorrect, but to say that the other two cases deserve to be looked at in the same light....sorry, there's where you're wrong.

[Docker2.0]

The Jenna 6 didn't?!?! Did you folllow the case?!?! That was DEFINETLY justice messed up.
Big ups for admittng you are wrong though. You don't find that to often on the hype.

[The Chairman]

The Jenna 6 didn't?!?! Did you folllow the case?!?! That was DEFINETLY justice messed up.
Big ups for admittng you are wrong though. You don't find that to often on the hype.

I also agree with the Jenna 6. I think beating up, like shooting someone, was a bit too far, but considering the white kids had been getting less severe treatments in similar instances, it was fair game.

I also think there are many instances where black kids get instantly thrown in jail for smoking pot whereas white kids generally get off with a mere warning.

I'm all for fairness when it comes to crime. Race doesn't and should not mean anything. Last year when I was mugged, I would've galdly sent the muggers to jail regardless of their race.

[Docker2.0]

Ah Chairman, you get points in my book. You even given me time to reconsider the Bell case........but not the dad shooting those bad ass kids...............kind of anyway. I understand your point but..............I don't know. I just need time to think. :(

[The Senator]

He was more than just driving drunk. Are you that daft, jman?

How do you know what his motives were??

[The Chairman]

Ah Chairman, you get points in my book. You even given me time to reconsider the Bell case........but not the dad shooting those bad ass kids...............kind of anyway. I understand your point but..............I don't know. I just need time to think. :(

Fair enough. These are touchy issues. There isn't a real right or wrong to it.

[The Chairman]

How do you know what his motives were??

Drunk driving alone is agfaint the law. Ramming a cop car and endangering the lives of civillians as well as officers just makes it worse.

[The Chairman]

My mother's watching the story right now. Apparently, Sharton's involved. Le joy.

[RockSP]

I'm sorry, but fifty shots is unjustified. These cops could have fired three or four shots, that's perfectly acceptable. But I highly doubt they were in a situation which warranted the unloading of fifty shots into this man in the course of several seconds.

Exactly. One cop actually emptied his clip, reloaded and emptied it again. Bell was not armed. They didn't identify themselves as cops.

No justification. They are murderers.

[Rac]

The first thing I thought when I saw the headlines was "I wonder if he's gonna get ass raped."

[Golgo-13]

Free Blade, Dammit!

[Matt]

I'm sorry, but fifty shots is unjustified. These cops could have fired three or four shots, that's perfectly acceptable. But I highly doubt they were in a situation which warranted the unloading of fifty shots into this man in the course of several seconds. These cops deserve to have their lives ruined as much as the lives of Sean Bell's family are.

Comeon Jman, they were undercover officers. That is already a high stress, high tension, high danger situation. Factor in that they had reason to believe Bell was armed and that he already clipped an officer with a car. It was dark, they likely could not see inside of the car. Are you saying in a similiar situation that there is even the slightest chance you would fire "three or four shots," as opposed to keep on shooting until you are positive your target is neutralized?

[Matt]

No, I think it's perfectly justified. An experienced, intelligent cop wouldn't stand there and repeatedly fire their gun until they kill someone. An experienced, intelligent cop would have fired a few shots in that same period. So, yes, it is excessive, and yes, in my opinion, they deserve time behind bars.

You clearly do not know much about police procedure. An experienced, intelligent cop WOULD have shot to kill. If a cop is in a situation where they must use fire arms, it is their objective to kill. Police officers are not trained to shoot to injure. Once the gun is pulled, they are shooting to kill, plain and simple. If you have an issue with that, it is not with the officer, it is with the training of every police academy in this country. There is not an officer in America who is trained to injure or fire a couple shots then quit.


So, because Bell wasn't "squeaky clean," he deserved to 50 shots? His wife and kid deserved his absence in their lives? Wow, I guess that means everyone deserves to be gunned down by insecure police officers, then, since we're not all perfect and all that...

He deserved to be gunned down because he was an active threat to the officers and civilians. He was driving while intoxicated, he had already clipped an officer with a car. That makes a significant threat to society. Therefore under Tennessee v. Garner the shooting was justified.

[Matt]

Exactly. One cop actually emptied his clip, reloaded and emptied it again. Bell was not armed. They didn't identify themselves as cops.

No justification. They are murderers.

Yes, they did identify themselves as officers. Several witnesses have testified to as much.

As for "no justification" and Bell not being armed, you are wrong on that account as well.

Under the law, a vehicle can be considered a deadly weapon, especially if the driver is intoxicated and trying to flee the police. And therefore, under Tennessee v. Garner, it was justified, as he presented a serious threat to society by attempting to flee while behind the wheel of a car and intoxicated.

[Kel]

King provoked the cops. I forget the entire story, but like Bell, King was targeted for a reason.

According to the tape, King only tried to get up to walk away.

You have a man on his knees, you have beat him to that position, and he tries to get up, because the beating is continued. He was beaten on his hands and knees for 80 seconds. That is a hell of a long time.


He provoked that?

[Matt]

According to the tape, King only tried to get up to walk away.

You have a man on his knees, you have beat him to that position, and he tries to get up, because the beating is continued. He was beaten on his hands and knees for 80 seconds. That is a hell of a long time.


He provoked that?

Agreed, but the entire King comparrison is faulty from the get go. Rodney King cannot be compared to Sean Bell in the least. Apples and oranges. Plain and simple. One was beaten while helpless, one was shot while presenting a serious threat to civilian and officer lives.

[Hunter Rider]

Is this still about Wesley Snipes ? also has anyone in this thread actually been in danger of losing their life in a high pressure situation ? b/c it seems we have whole tonne of politically correct Jack Bauer's in here.

[Kel]

Yes, the thread has been highjacked....

[Matt]

Is this still about Wesley Snipes ? also has anyone in this thread actually been in danger of losing their life in a high pressure situation ? b/c it seems we have whole tonne of politically correct Jack Bauer's in here.

Exactly!

1) No one can claim that they would fire 2 or 3 shots in a high risk situation such as being an undercover cop on a botched operation...as no one here has been in such a situation.

2) Because none of us have been in such a situation, we are not in a position to judge it from a moral stand point. Therefore the only real way to judge the officers' action is through a legal standard and under Tennessee v. Garner which is the current standard for lethal force on fleeing suspects, the shooting was justified.

[The Joker]

I've only read the last page, but from what I understand of it, Wesley Snipes is actually an undercover cop, posing as a criminal in jail, and he then shot Kristen Bell 50 times.

[chamber-music]

I've only read the last page, but from what I understand of it, Wesley Snipes is actually an undercover cop, posing as a criminal in jail, and he then shot Kristen Bell 50 times.

Snipes is a method actor :cwink:

[Kanon]

Damn, I just heard about this Wes in jail thing :csad:

I've only read the last page, but from what I understand of it, Wesley Snipes is actually an undercover cop, posing as a criminal in jail, and he then shot Kristen Bell 50 times.
LOL

[lazur]

What I'm saying is he may've trusted his agent to do his taxes. Look, we all know he's rich and a lot of celebrites are rich. Chances are Wesley said to his agent "Remember to do my taxes and I'm trusting you" and left it at that for all we know. Stupid? Yes, simply because one should always know where his/her money is going and if bills are being paid.

But for anyone to think he handles his own taxes is retarded. And where was the government after 1998? You mean to tell me that they waited 10 years to bust him?

And he most likely didn't know. Guys like MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, and so forth often said that when they made money they trusted other people to handle it for them and that's when the trouble started. My point is it wouldn't surprise me if Wesley was a victim of someone else being careless. Then again you are a staunch Bush supporter, so I bet if this happened to him, you'd be defending him now as well. So spare me the holier than thou act Lazur.

How in the HELL does politics come into this AT ALL? What, because I don't agree with you, it somehow makes me a bad person? And at what point was I acting holier than thou???

Look, Wesley Snipes is PERSONALLY responsible for paying his taxes. At the least, the guy should have looked at his TAX RETURNS after they were filed (which they weren't) to verify that HE HIMSELF was not EVADING TAXES.

I have no sympathy for the man. He made his own mess and now he has to PAY for it. It's what CONSEQUENCES are all about, I don't care how rich, famous or ignorant you are.

[Matt]

How in the HELL does politics come into this AT ALL? What, because I don't agree with you, it somehow makes me a bad person? And at what point was I acting holier than thou???

Look, Wesley Snipes is PERSONALLY responsible for paying his taxes. At the least, the guy should have looked at his TAX RETURNS after they were filed (which they weren't) to verify that HE HIMSELF was not EVADING TAXES.

I have no sympathy for the man. He made his own mess and now he has to PAY for it. It's what CONSEQUENCES are all about, I don't care how rich, famous or ignorant you are.

For once, we agree Lazur.

[RockSP]

Yes, they did identify themselves as officers. Several witnesses have testified to as much.

As for "no justification" and Bell not being armed, you are wrong on that account as well.

Under the law, a vehicle can be considered a deadly weapon, especially if the driver is intoxicated and trying to flee the police. And therefore, under Tennessee v. Garner, it was justified, as he presented a serious threat to society by attempting to flee while behind the wheel of a car and intoxicated.

In other words, what I said earlier in the thread:

Cops never do anything wrong, everyone knows that.

[Memphis Slim]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XedTbJpRiaU&feature=related

[Matt]

In other words, what I said earlier in the thread:

When you want to discuss things like an adult, we can. I've explained to you why Bell was an active threat to society and therefore why under the law he can be shot. Furthermore, I've rebutted your claim that the officers did not identify themselves. However, you would rather act like a child and play the race card and simply assume they must've done it because they are power hungry, black man-hating, evil cops. Way to be objective.

[RockSP]

When you want to discuss things like an adult, we can. I've explained to you why Bell was an active threat to society and therefore why under the law he can be shot. Furthermore, I've rebutted your claim that the officers did not identify themselves. However, you would rather act like a child and play the race card and simply assume they must've done it because they are power hungry, black man-hating, evil cops. Way to be objective.

Whatever, dude. It's called sarcasm. If you took it so personal...seems to me you are the childish one. You're rebutting of my claims mean nothing. You believe what the cops said happened. Okay. I don't.

All that race card garbage you just typed is you blowing hot air. It sure isn't taken from anything I posted.

[Matt]

Whatever, dude. It's called sarcasm. If you took it so personal...seems to me you are the childish one. You're rebutting of my claims mean nothing. You believe what the cops said happened. Okay. I don't.


No, I believe what civilian witnesses with no agenda testified to in a court of law as opposed to the other criminals whose criminal friend got shot.


All that race card garbage you just typed is you blowing hot air. It sure isn't taken from anything I posted.

Sure it can. What possible evidence do you have to back up your claim or insult the cops? I've given evidence, case law, and witness testimony. What have you given? "OH NOES! THE COPS ARE RACIST TOTALITARIANS!" If they shot a white guy I really doubt you would be *****ing about it.

[RockSP]

Sure it can. What possible evidence do you have to back up your claim or insult the cops? If they shot a white guy I really doubt you would be *****ing about it.

Yeah cuz you know me so well. I've gone on and on constantly about how cops murdering white guys is okay. :whatever: