Re-watching Batman Begins

[ripblade]

So i decided to re-watch Batman Begins the other day, due to all the hype around The Dark Knight picking up. Man, i forgot ho wgood it was!
Check out my full thoughts here -

http://ripbladereviews.blogspot.com/2007/08/batman-begins.html (http://ripbladereviews.blogspot.com/2007/08/batman-begins.html)

Has anyone else watched it again recently? What did you think?

[tekken]

i've watched it recently too. same thing...dark knight hype.

the movie was too good for me to forget anything. it didnt really get better from my other 10,000 veiwings when it first came out.

i only get the "i-forgot-how-good-it-was" feeling whenever i watch Batman: The Animated series. because well...it's old now, lol. i'd still say batman begins is fairly "new."

[roach]

I watched it again and it opened way too many plot holes for me.....1)Like why were they able to get leverage on the judgeby having pics of him with some girls(happen to be the same ones he was with when Bruce confronted the Crimeboss) when he was openly with them at that Bar????
2) Does Maroni not have a good lawyer???? I know in the real world he would have gotten off on the technicality that he wasnt arrested at the scene that some vigilante beat him up...or go with the whole Batman brought him to the docks and tried to set him up????

[Two-Face]

You mean Falcone not Maroni

[roach]

yeah my bad..where'd I get Maroni from????

[Two-Face]

He's in TDK, perhaps that's where you got confused. Lol.

[DV8]

I watched it again and it opened way too many plot holes for me.....1)Like why were they able to get leverage on the judgeby having pics of him with some girls(happen to be the same ones he was with when Bruce confronted the Crimeboss) when he was openly with them at that Bar????

but that was seven years ago . . . not necessarily the same girls as in the pics; but to be honest, I never caught a good enough look at the pics . . .


2) Does Maroni not have a good lawyer???? I know in the real world he would have gotten off on the technicality that he wasnt arrested at the scene that some vigilante beat him up...or go with the whole Batman brought him to the docks and tried to set him up????

it didn't matter; he was going to get off anyway, but he started trying to throw his weight around; Scarecrow was tired of his ****, and new Ra's would be too . . . so he gassed that ass

[DV8]

I've seen BB like soooo many times it's not funny . . . it comes on HBO all the time, and I'll watch it just about everytime I see it on (granted there's nothing else on to speak of) . . . . I really never get sick of it . . . it's a SOLID movie :up:

[OctaviusINC]

It was really good. I enjoyed it. But the thing is that I love Nolan's universe and Batman so much, that I wanna see more of it. I really don't care how he began. I know how he began with the comics. So I'm guessing TDK is going to be for me.

[El Payaso]

I can't watch it too often. After a while it's all waiting too long to see way too little of Batman.

[Superman Prime]

I can't watch it too often. After a while it's all waiting too long to see way too little of Batman.

I know what you mean.

[David Rice]

I watched it again and it opened way too many plot holes for me.....1)Like why were they able to get leverage on the judgeby having pics of him with some girls(happen to be the same ones he was with when Bruce confronted the Crimeboss) when he was openly with them at that Bar????
2) Does Maroni not have a good lawyer???? I know in the real world he would have gotten off on the technicality that he wasnt arrested at the scene that some vigilante beat him up...or go with the whole Batman brought him to the docks and tried to set him up????

Maybe her had a wife. That bar wasn't exactly advertised all over Gotham. Maybe he was seen in the same bar as Falcone, ect, ect.

[roach]

Maybe her had a wife. That bar wasn't exactly advertised all over Gotham. Maybe he was seen in the same bar as Falcone, ect, ect.

so the judge is not afraid of the mob as he is of his wife?????

[BatJeff7786]

so the judge is not afraid of the mob as he is of his wife?????

No but the reputation of a judge can be damaged if he is discovered being unfaithful to his wife or hanging out in such a shoddy place. He's a Judge after all. Look what happened to the Mayor of Los Angeles. He cheated on his wife with a news reporter and now his reputation is in shambles.

[roach]

I just found out Bale auditioned for the role of Robin in Batman Forever

[DeathRaven]

I get a craving every once in a while to watch Begins, just watched it a few days ago. But due to work I dont always get to.

I love watching when batman screams at Flass, one of my favorite scenes besides when Bruce is training with ducard.

[Superman Prime]

I just found out Bale auditioned for the role of Robin in Batman Forever

Seriously? :dry:

[El Payaso]

Oh yes, we had a thread about it.

[Superman Prime]

Weird. Definitely my 'Fun Fact' for the day.

[CaptainBeaver91]

One thing that really always baffles me...and i've tried to understand this so many times is this:

I get that Joe Chill shared a cell with Carmine Falcone in the past, so why does he have somebody send to kill him after the hearing?

Don't like flame me for this or anything guys! lol I just need this bit of information. I can connect all of the film's twists and turns together but not this.

[El Payaso]

Chill was released partially because he could give info about Falcone. Therefore Carmine sent someone to kill him before he talks.

[CaptainBeaver91]

Alright, thanks man! I guess I must've been thinking too hard during that scene.

[roach]

...and no one could tie the shooter to Carmine even after she says "Carmine Falcone says Hi" or whatever she said infront of the whole Gotham media????

[Two-Face]

People like Falcone own the police, the media anything they can their hands on cos why? They are untouchable.

[November Rain]

I don't like viewing this film and have only gotten through it once. I think it spends a large proportion of its time pretending to be something its not.

Build up to batman is fine but the pay off is pretty weak for the suspense. I also thought the overall ra's goal was not the best sequence of events and i don't think the city was really in as much peril as they made it sound.

to each their own i suppose.

[iron_spartan]

I watched it couple days and it blew me away again.

[Mr. Socko]

I'm in the middle of my Batman viewing summer mode where I watch all of the films and the special features. Going to get to Begins on Saturday, haven't watched it at all this year.

[Damiean Dark]

Its the pretentious speeches that get me down bale was the perfect choise for BB but Goyers written script sucks quotes like "im scared of bats, i want them to share my dread" come off so terrible it makes me cringe.

[Rezzo]

Just finished watching it again, it never gets old

[El Payaso]

Its the pretentious speeches that get me down bale was the perfect choise for BB but Goyers written script sucks quotes like "im scared of bats, i want them to share my dread" come off so terrible it makes me cringe.

I concur. So much effort to be felt serious thrown away.

[The Empire Ape]

Its the pretentious speeches that get me down bale was the perfect choise for BB but Goyers written script sucks quotes like "im scared of bats, i want them to share my dread" come off so terrible it makes me cringe.

Yeah, to think that Batman is afraid of bats is just stupid.

The only thing even sillier would have been that he really thought "I am a bat!"

[Super_Ludacris]

A Classic still...

[souloffire]

To be honest I like it less every time I see it. I feel they dropped the ball with this movie.

[Penismightier]

To be honest I like it less every time I see it. I feel they dropped the ball with this movie.

Yes, I thought it was a tremendous achievement when I saw it the first time. Then came the next day when I started to process it and see the flaws. Then I saw it again, the surprises are gone and that's when a movie really exposes itself. The flaws were readily apparent. That's not knocking the movie at all, 95% of all movies are like that. It's just, this one is considered a masterpiece by the 18 and under crowd.

[Damiean Dark]

Try telling that to the guys over at Batman On Film lol they would roast you alive.

[Super_Ludacris]

Man with me it was the other way around. When I first saw it I thought it was good and met required expectations of online fans. But to me it didnt reach to the level of Sin City or X-Men 2 or Spider-Man 2 so it was a 3.5/5.
Upon further review, the story was solid and was the winning the point of the movie and it gets better with viewing and is a 4-4.5/5

[BatScot]

Yes, I thought it was a tremendous achievement when I saw it the first time. Then came the next day when I started to process it and see the flaws. Then I saw it again, the surprises are gone and that's when a movie really exposes itself. The flaws were readily apparent. That's not knocking the movie at all, 95% of all movies are like that. It's just, this one is considered a masterpiece by the 18 and under crowd.It's a good film, but it's no masterpiece. It never was, nor could it be... the flaws you describe as readily apparent were largely apparent in the script.

Try telling that to the guys over at Batman On Film lol they would roast you alive.Meh, those BOF boys are too busy roasting their weenies.

[Mr.E.Nygma]

^^Indeed. No comic book film can be considered a masterpiece, even if they're fun and excellent, like the batflicks are almost only able to be, they're no near masterpiece.

And to raise another point, the fighting scenes were a long matter of dispute about how they are annoying or not. But not that I just rewatched it, I consider those scenes brilliant. Because if people complained for nothing, here is the reason :

The cut of the fighting in Begins goes brutal, fast paced, closed range, to keep the audience in the middle of the action, to truely recreate the feel of a fight. I did not talk about the vague conception of realisme people have on these boards, but just a recreating ambiance effect, if you understand my point. It feels natural. Which is good.

[elgaz]

I bought this film on DVD and have watched it a few times since, it's still every bit as enjoyable as the first time. Well casted, well written, well directed - just a good film.

Strangely enough, whilst I loved the 1989 Batman, rewatching it puts it in a bad light for me. Still a decent flick, but some cringe-worthy moments and I feel it hasn't aged well - Burton's dark & gothic look just doesn't come across any way realistic compared, for example, to Nolan's Gotham.

Gaz

[El Payaso]

Burton's dark & gothic look just doesn't come across any way realistic compared, for example, to Nolan's Gotham.

Gaz

That might be because, say, it wasn't the director's intention to be realistic at all. :dry:

[elgaz]

True, I just find it hard to immerse myself in the film like when I was younger - but I guess that's a by-product of many comic book films taking the realism approach over the last few years.

Gaz

[El Payaso]

True, I just find it hard to immerse myself in the film like when I was younger - but I guess that's a by-product of many comic book films taking the realism approach over the last few years.

Gaz

And manias accumulated with aging. :) j/k

[sasquatchs]

Besides still being fun if not much more, the "dramatic example" idea is the thing that stays with me. They could have done way more with it than newspaper headlines but there's lots of potential for TDK, hopefully he's not treated as a straightforward hero by Gotham though. Still prefer B89's mysterious, urban legend Batman, but this is the one original theme that appeals to me on repeat viewings.

[contemporarydog]

It's just, this one is considered a masterpiece by the 18 and under crowd.

Hey, I'm 31, I watch a very wide range of cinema, and I think BB is a fantastic film.

[Bat-Mite]

Amen. I'm 23 and think it's the best live action portrayal of Batman on film thus far. It's very childish, IMO, for someone to suggest that only teenagers/children can see this movie as a masterpiece, or that the opinions of younger people aren't valid at all. Yes, it has its flaws, but so does every other Batman movie. Many people, adults and kids alike, love this movie. Get over it.

[Two-Face]

Yes, I thought it was a tremendous achievement when I saw it the first time. Then came the next day when I started to process it and see the flaws. Then I saw it again, the surprises are gone and that's when a movie really exposes itself. The flaws were readily apparent. That's not knocking the movie at all, 95% of all movies are like that. It's just, this one is considered a masterpiece by the 18 and under crowd.

I'm 24 and I think this is best Batman movie sure it does flaws but don't say it's liked by 18 and under which isn't true, my sister is 21 and she loved BB and it was her second time viewing the movie.

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

23, probably the most enjoyable comic movie I have seen, rekindled my interest in batman, the under 18 thing comes across more derogatory than factual.

[Angeloz]

It's on TV just now (Channel 9 Australia) and the digital blurb says:

Batman Begins

After training with a ninja in Asia following his parents' brutal murder, Bruce Wayne returns to Gotham City and finds it overrun with organised crime and corruption in this prequel to the Batman series. After discovering a cave under Wayne Man...

I highlighted an interesting bit. And that's where it runs out at "Man...".

Angeloz

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Yea, rotten tomatoes made that same mistake a few times also.

[TLH]

Its the pretentious speeches that get me down bale was the perfect choise for BB but Goyers written script sucks quotes like "im scared of bats, i want them to share my dread" come off so terrible it makes me cringe.

Actually, the line is "Bats frighten me. It's time my enemies shared my dread"

If the actual line was the way you remember it, then yeah, it would have sucked. I mean, you can have your own opinion, but if a line like that makes you cringe you've obviously never seen any of the Schumacher films.

[Two-Face]

Actually, the line is "Bats frighten me. It's time my enemies shared my dread"

If the actual line was the way you remember it, then yeah, it would have sucked. I mean, you can have your own opinion, but if a line like that makes you cringe you've obviously never seen any of the Schumacher films.

"Why bats Master Wayne?"

man I love that. :up:

[El Payaso]

The scene itself is good. The problem with that piece of dialogue is that all that you have been watching for 1 hour is he's afraid of bats and he's using his fear as a weapon. Usually writers include dialogues that expand the information of a movie, not just verbalize what you have been watching, specially if it's THE main point of that hour of movie.

[Two-Face]

And that's the problem? :o

[El Payaso]

Yeah, bad writing. Destroyed a scene with two awesome actors.

[Two-Face]

How would you write that then? just wondered that's all.

[MiniBond]

I watched Batman Begins for the hundred time a few days ago and ....MAN that movie goes fast !:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

[Damiean Dark]

I just cant get through the entire movie again it is good but is not enjoyable bruces reasons for turning into batman doesnt work he should have become batman the moment his parents died that was the trigger that turned on the psycological obsession you dont see that in this movie young bruce cries a lot tries to kill chill confronts falcone then runs away i didnt like the way they did it, the acting isnt as good as some people think it is the cast does its best but from such great actors i was left wanting more, the editing stinks, the villains are hopelessly uninteresting except murphy as scarecrow who a least tries to inject some energy into Crane, the tumbler sucks it has its initial cool factor but i just wanted to see a real Batmobile, Cain as alfred just doesnt work for me he is solid in the role but at no moment did i think ths guy is the alfred pennyworth we all know and love. You may all think i hate this movie, i dont it is solid has a good premise and plot but its missing far to many bad points to make it great in my eyes. All this said i have optimistic hopes for TDK.

[contemporarydog]

I just cant get through the entire movie again it is good but is not enjoyable bruces reasons for turning into batman doesnt work he should have become batman the moment his parents died that was the trigger that turned on the psycological obsession you dont see that in this movie young bruce cries a lot tries to kill chill confronts falcone then runs away i didnt like the way they did it, the acting isnt as good as some people think it is the cast does its best but from such great actors i was left wanting more, the editing stinks, the villains are hopelessly uninteresting except murphy as scarecrow who a least tries to inject some energy into Crane, the tumbler sucks it has its initial cool factor but i just wanted to see a real Batmobile, Cain as alfred just doesnt work for me he is solid in the role but at no moment did i think ths guy is the alfred pennyworth we all know and love. You may all think i hate this movie, i dont it is solid has a good premise and plot but its missing far to many bad points to make it great in my eyes. All this said i have optimistic hopes for TDK.

Not as badly as the editing of your paragraph :woot::cwink:

[Darkfly]

I watched it again for the 4th time and frankly this time I thought it wasn't as good than I originally thought don't get me wrong still a great film but I just find it doesn't have too much depth like Burton's films did.

Batman Begins is supposed to be about the beginning of Batman the origins if you will but it focuses more time on how he spray painted a aromoured suit, used a armoured protype vehicle, carves Batarang's, goes rock climbing in the Batcave, orders Bat-hoods, plays around in the Underground Wayne Enterprise gadget area, driving a Lamborghini to a company meal, and presumably gets laid with two Eurpoean models none of these being terribly important to Batman's origins. The Villians aren't given enough screentime to develop into truly great villians, I mean I love Cillian Murphy's portrayal as The Scarecrow but they don't give him enough time onscreen, & would have been nice to see a little more about Ra's al Ghul since there is so much more they could of done with that character.



Batman Begins is a damn entertaining film but for me doesn't provide much depth for a film which is supposed to be about Batman's origins. I think Batman Begins mistake was that it took idea's from Batman Year One, Batman Long Halloween, & Batman The Man Who Falls but never took enough of the idea's, I mean Batman Year One after reading it again has very few similarities to Batman Begins apart from the fact both deal with him starting out as Batman but that's where the similarities end. They should of either based the film completely on a comic like Batman Year One or should of done what other Batman films(only the good ones) have done which was keep the atmosphere of the Batman Comics but make up the story not try and take a little from that comic and little from that one.

[sasquatchs]

Exactly, lack of depth is the key thing really. Also not being able to commit to either a crowd pleaser or a something more serious, they tried to have it both ways and it spoils the effort. Putting Batman in a modern city where he's the only thing extraordinary is a fine idea, Nolan just handed it off to a writer with a complete lack of ideas or commitment to something consistent and unique. The journey is so simplistic and A to B to C, they should have trusted the audience to fill in the gaps and extended the scope of his journey. They try to spell it all out for the audience and that's resulted in characters that plainly lecture Bruce on everything he needs to learn, rather than Bruce and the audience figuring it out together. He's directionless for too long, he should have searched out the answers for himself rather than serendipitously finding one man to give him everything. The effect is that Bruce had very little part in becoming Batman. He's hardworking but just follows everyone elses advice. They could have been so much more imaginative about how Bruce learns his lessons than a series of lectures.

I watched most of it again yesterday, nothing seems to naturally evolve in this film, there's no real character development. What little there is to be had in the first half just stops dead once Bruce is back to Gotham. Where on earth does the 5 minute romance come from at the end? And what happened between Rachel's thankless lecture on justice before Bruce leaves, and his gratitude to her at the end of the film? Where was the lesson actually learnt? Far too much comes across purely through dialogue with nothing to back it up. TDK needs way more ideas and way more efficiency in showing them

[redfirebird2008]

Actually, the line is "Bats frighten me. It's time my enemies shared my dread"

If the actual line was the way you remember it, then yeah, it would have sucked. I mean, you can have your own opinion, but if a line like that makes you cringe you've obviously never seen any of the Schumacher films.

Or some of the one-liners in Batman '89 and Batman Returns, or the lame dialogue in all 3 Spider-Man films. Batman Begins' dialogue is certainly its biggest flaw, but overall I'll take the great elements over the poor dialogue all day long. The fact of the matter is, as long as you have people like Goyer writing comic book films, the dialogue will suck.

[Damiean Dark]

Its to easy to say its all Goyers fault if it was really that bad shouldnt have Nolan cut those bits out i thought he was the director the one with the final say on everything? the buck stops with Nolan i place the blame squarely at his feet.

[redfirebird2008]

Its to easy to say its all Goyers fault if it was really that bad shouldnt have Nolan cut those bits out i thought he was the director the one with the final say on everything? the buck stops with Nolan i place the blame squarely at his feet.

OK, then, I guess I can blame Burton for letting Batman '89 turn into The Joker '89.

[Mr. Socko]

OK, then, I guess I can blame Burton for letting Batman '89 turn into The Joker '89.


I'm pretty sure that's exactly what your kind has been doing for the past 18 years.

[Damiean Dark]

OK, then, I guess I can blame Burton for letting Batman '89 turn into The Joker '89.

"SIGH" Burton MADE B89 that way he DELIBERITLY made Bats a shadowy force of the night and it worked perfectly for me in BR you can see Burton gives Bruce/Batman more time in front of the camera and far more lines. Nolan made a MISTAKE to allow Goyers pretentious babble of lines. anyway how much of the script was goyers work? people like to crap on him for the worst lines in the movie while giving Nolan a free pass i wouldnt be surprised if Nolan wrote a few of those lines too