Anyone upset about Jolie as Fox?

[RockSP]

I haven't been keeping up with news on this movie and just recently found this out while flipping through some magazine. Many fanboys complain whenever a comic book character that was originally white is portrayed by a black actor in the movies. Anyone got a problem with this switch up?

[Anti-Moderator]

I haven't been keeping up with news on this movie and just recently found this out while flipping through some magazine. Many fanboys complain whenever a comic book character that was originally white is portrayed by a black actor in the movies. Anyone got a problem with this switch up?


If you are a fan of the book WANTED, Jolie as the Fox is the least of your worries. From the info we have gotten so far....calling the characters of this film "comic book characters" is quite a stretch.

[RockSP]

^^^That doesn't answer my question, though...

[Anti-Moderator]

^^^That doesn't answer my question, though...


She's not gonna be much like Fox of the book WANTED anyways....no matter if she was played by a black actress or not....so my answer is NO. I'm so disapointed in what I've read about this movie (and I loved the book), I wouldn't care if Fox was played by a dude at this point.

[RockSP]

She's not gonna be much like Fox of the book WANTED anyways....no matter if she was played by a black actress or not....so my answer is NO. I'm so disapointed in what I've read about this movie (and I loved the book), I wouldn't care if Fox was played by a dude at this point.

lol. Damn...

[ScottishFogg]

it doesn't upset me at all. the "natural" casting of the character would have been Halle Barry. Fox *MUST* have been modeled after her, she looks just like her. but i'm okay if Halle Barry is never in another movie ever again. i'm a much bigger fan of Jolie's at this point.

[RockSP]

it doesn't upset me at all. the "natural" casting of the character would have been Halle Barry. Fox *MUST* have been modeled after her, she looks just like her. but i'm okay if Halle Barry is never in another movie ever again. i'm a much bigger fan of Jolie's at this point.

Were you bothered by any of the race changes in other comic book movies?

[the a1ant]

I always thought Jada Pinkett-Smith was perfect for that role.

[deemar325]

I don't have a problem with it Angelina is fooking hot! so its all good to me, plus from what I understand about the movie it will bare very little resembalance to the actual comic, no ***wit, no Sh-thead, no costumes or superpowers (Real superpowers not just bullet time Matrix BS) it Wanted in name only.

[MaskedManJRK]

it doesn't upset me at all. the "natural" casting of the character would have been Halle Barry. Fox *MUST* have been modeled after her, she looks just like her. but i'm okay if Halle Barry is never in another movie ever again. i'm a much bigger fan of Jolie's at this point.

Halle, maybe, but I'd prefer Rosario Dawson to the role, myself, for several reasons:

1. She's more likely to do a role like The Fox.
2. She's a better actress then Barry.
3. She's practically my dream girl.
4. She's WAY hotter then Barry.

I always thought Jada Pinkett-Smith was perfect for that role.

Eh, I doubt she'd agree to a role like The Fox--the REAL Fox, I mean--plus I think she's doing more executive producing and death-metal singing at the moment then acting.

But that's not the real reason I quoted you, it's to say I f**king LOVE your avatar. :woot:

I don't have a problem with it Angelina is fooking hot! so its all good to me, plus from what I understand about the movie it will bare very little resembalance to the actual comic, no ***wit, no Sh-thead, no costumes or superpowers (Real superpowers not just bullet time Matrix BS) it Wanted in name only.

No F**kwit or S**thead?! Goddamn it! :cmad:

Man, at this point all I'm hoping for is a good performance by Morgan Freeman and the slim possibility of Mr. Rictus saying that he doesn't f**k sheep, but make love to them. :csad:

[xwolverine2]

no ***wit, no Sh-thead, no costumes or superpowers (Real superpowers not just bullet time Matrix BS) it Wanted in name only.

:huh: HUH?
what are you saying?:dry:

[ang_hulk]

of course.fox was black.dammit.and jolie is paper thin in the role,not fox like in the least.

[shinlyle]

I'm with A1ant on this one. Jada PInkett Smith had the right look for FOX. Jolie was picked up simply because her name being attached to this film would ensure a little more box office cheese than another actress. Berry 5 years ago woul dhave gotten the role, as she was fresh off of her Oscar win. As it is, Jolie gets the nod because her name is a reputed money-maker, now.

Honestly, Jolie's casting wouldn't bother me if this were a faithful adaption, seeing as she's a good actress, and she's scalding hot, but seeing as how this movie has as much to do with the comics as my left testacle does, I'd say that the casting is insignificant and rather moot, at this point.

[RockSP]

Honestly, Jolie's casting wouldn't bother me if this were a faithful adaption, seeing as she's a good actress, and she's scalding hot,

Were you the type that got upset about black actors playing white characters?

[terry78]

LOL, when it's white characters becoming black, it's politically correct. Vice versa, it's because the actor can really "become" the character. :p

[deathshead2]

Jolie was picked up simply because her name being attached to this film would ensure a little more box office cheese than another actress.How is she going to bring more money to the movie. Haven' her movies these last few years failed. Has she even done anything besides picking up kids, I can't even remember her last movie besides both bad tomb raiders.

[RockSP]

LOL, when it's white characters becoming black, it's politically correct. Vice versa, it's because the actor can really "become" the character. :p

Heh.

[MaskedManJRK]

How is she going to bring more money to the movie. Haven' her movies these last few years failed. Has she even done anything besides picking up kids, I can't even remember her last movie besides both bad tomb raiders.

Actually, her last movie was Mr. and Mrs. Smith, which was pretty good and, if I remember correctly, made some bank. :o

[dpm07]

Angie is amazing. I have no problem with her playing The Fox.

[deathshead2]

Actually, her last movie was Mr. and Mrs. Smith, which was pretty good and, if I remember correctly, made some bank. :o
Oh yeah I forgot about that. I thought it was crap. My friends love it though. But all those girls liked it for brad pitt.

[dpm07]

Oh yeah I forgot about that. I thought it was crap. My friends love it though. But all those girls liked it for brad pitt.

I liked it as well. I know a lot of girls who liked it for Angie as well as Brad. Both were very good in the film, IMO.

[dr.strange]

yeah im kinda perturbed,but im willing to forgive the producers if they put in a couple of nude angelina scenes.

[shinlyle]

LOL, when it's white characters becoming black, it's politically correct. Vice versa, it's because the actor can really "become" the character. :p

Exactly. Cast Kingpin as a Black guy, and it's okay...but if Blade or Black Panther were white in the films, the **** would hit the fan at how Hollywood is a bunch of racists.

Can you say double standards, boys and girls? I knew you could.

Still I have no real issue with such decisions. I'd rather see a faithful script with a couple of races changed than see a steaming pile of crap...which is probably what we'll get.

[terry78]

Exactly. Cast Kingpin as a Black guy, and it's okay...but if Blade or Black Panther were white in the films, the **** would hit the fan at how Hollywood is a bunch of racists.

Can you say double standards, boys and girls? I knew you could.

Still I have no real issue with such decisions. I'd rather see a faithful script with a couple of races changed than see a steaming pile of crap...which is probably what we'll get.

Actually, I meant that people cry that it's being too p.c. when a black actor is cas as a white character, but a white one being cast as a black, no one really cares. I think you misunderstood my rant. :o If Fox was white and say...Angela Bassett was cast, fanboys would go nuts. No one really gives a rat's ass about this.

[Anthony69]

Actually, her last movie was Mr. and Mrs. Smith, which was pretty good and, if I remember correctly, made some bank. :o

Actually her last movie was A Mighty Heart and it bombed. She's filmed 12 movies since the first Tomb Raider and that flick, Mr. and Mrs. Smith and a Shark Tale (Which she can hardly get credit for giving that movie good box office) were her only hits. She's gorgeous and a great actress (with my own opinions regarding her personal life aside), but bankable she is NOT.

[CaptainGenerica]

Actually, I meant that people cry that it's being too p.c. when a black actor is cas as a white character, but a white one being cast as a black, no one really cares. I think you misunderstood my rant. :o If Fox was white and say...Angela Bassett was cast, fanboys would go nuts. No one really gives a rat's ass about this.

I don't know; this seems like a bigger fuss than I've ever seen about cross-racial casting in the other direction.

Of course, the time when there's really no fuss is when neither the original character nor the actor playing him are white... like Ken Watanabe playing R'as Al Ghul. Or at least from what I saw.

[CombatRock319]

i think its just dissappointing since the there was such a blantant reference to the fox being halle berry. although if eminem isnt in the movie, i really wont hold a grudge. :D

[RockSP]

I don't know; this seems like a bigger fuss than I've ever seen about cross-racial casting in the other direction.


You have got to be kidding.

[JMadisonIV]

of course nobody is upset about Jolie as Fox.

but let a black actress be cast as Mary Jane Watson, and see what happens.

I'm just sayin'.....

(for the record, I think the casting of The Fox stinks. just like most every other part of this movie that I've heard or read of.)

[shinlyle]

Actually, I meant that people cry that it's being too p.c. when a black actor is cas as a white character, but a white one being cast as a black, no one really cares. I think you misunderstood my rant. :o If Fox was white and say...Angela Bassett was cast, fanboys would go nuts. No one really gives a rat's ass about this.

Well, either way, the casting is just one of MANY problems this film has right now.

[Superman_]

Actually, I meant that people cry that it's being too p.c. when a black actor is cas as a white character, but a white one being cast as a black, no one really cares. I think you misunderstood my rant. :o If Fox was white and say...Angela Bassett was cast, fanboys would go nuts. No one really gives a rat's ass about this.
I have to agree here. I mean look at the fuss they had when Stan Lee made Batman black or the fuss they had when Lois was almost cast as a black woman.

[Brian Braddock]

I liked it as well. I know a lot of girls who liked it for Angie as well as Brad. Both were very good in the film, IMO.

Hehe - I loved Mr & Mrs Smith - It's funny, and entertaining. Sure, it's light, throwaway and a tad superficial but it damn sure is fun.

Exactly. Cast Kingpin as a Black guy, and it's okay...but if Blade or Black Panther were white in the films, the **** would hit the fan at how Hollywood is a bunch of racists.

Can you say double standards, boys and girls? I knew you could.

Still I have no real issue with such decisions. I'd rather see a faithful script with a couple of races changed than see a steaming pile of crap...which is probably what we'll get.

Actually, I meant that people cry that it's being too p.c. when a black actor is cas as a white character, but a white one being cast as a black, no one really cares. I think you misunderstood my rant. :o If Fox was white and say...Angela Bassett was cast, fanboys would go nuts. No one really gives a rat's ass about this.

I don't know; this seems like a bigger fuss than I've ever seen about cross-racial casting in the other direction.

Of course, the time when there's really no fuss is when neither the original character nor the actor playing him are white... like Ken Watanabe playing R'as Al Ghul. Or at least from what I saw.

of course nobody is upset about Jolie as Fox.

but let a black actress be cast as Mary Jane Watson, and see what happens.

I'm just sayin'.....

(for the record, I think the casting of The Fox stinks. just like most every other part of this movie that I've heard or read of.)

Quite - the buzz about Fury being in Iron Man as played by SLJ springs to mind. I love the Ultimates as much as the next guy, but I'm pissed that 616 Fury doesnt get the chance to redeem himself cinematically after the disastrous Hassellhoff effort.

Well, either way, the casting is just one of MANY problems this film has right now.

Yup, as it happens, in answer to the thread, I don't agree with the casting of Jolie - simply because I like the actors cast to actually resemble the characters they are potraying.

But hey, as far as I'm concerned, these arent the characters from the comic so I don't really care what they look like tbh.

[Hole Shot]

I wouldn't mind Jolie if the movie was going to maintain the story and theme of the comic, but since it's going in a complete opposite direction and completely missing the point ...then yes, Jolie and everything else sucks so far

[ang_hulk]

agian-YES

[TheVileOne]

Just FYI for perspective:

When the Spawn movie was being made, they cast a white actor, DB Sweeney, in the role of Terry, Al Simmons best friend and Wanda Blake's second husband in the comics. The character in the comics is a black man, changed to a white character in the movie.

This upset a lot of Spawn fans. The Spawn creative team that OK'ed it defended it by saying, "We need another white guy in there because if we don't then it will be considered a 'black' movie." I'm serious, they put this in the letter and news sections of the Spawn comics at the time. Some were incensed by it, other fans that were just blind Spawn fans at the time and were willing to eat whatever crap McFarlane fed us.

Looking back the reasoning for that change was racist and quite frankly retarded. Then again, the movie sucked, probably like WANTED will as well.

[terry78]

I think all the white people I see coming out of Tyler Perry flicks would argue that assessment.

[TheVileOne]

That assessment being . . . what exactly?

[KenK]

That assessment being . . . what exactly?

That black movies won't make any money. But I'd have to argue with you, Terry, that Tyler Perry movies are proving more an exception than a rule. You have to understand, Tyler Perry made a name for himself with the black public with his plays BEFORE he started making movies. The "Madea Franchise" as it were was a huge hit when it came to the plays, so when he started adapting those plays to film, the films succeeded on word of mouth from people who had seen the plays. For Diary of a Mad Black Woman to make so much money as a movie, it had to be from just one person saying, "There's gonna be a movie based on the Madea play!", 'cause there certainly wasn't that much official promotion for the film.

But all this is irrelevant in regards to Wanted. Casting Fox as a black woman wouldn't have made Wanted a "black movie", especially with the lead still being white.

I could accept Michael Clarke Duncan as the Kingpin because that's a tough role to fill when the actor has to be a certain size, and be as articulate as the Kingpin is. Not to mention casting suggestions that ignored the fact that Kingpin isn't fat, as somewould like to think. He couldn't have a sumo wrestler's body. But in the case of The Fox, it doesn't really make any sense. As others have stated, as much of a reputation as Jolie has, she's not nearly as bankable as we're led to believe, and this is coming from someone who'd tramble some old ladies to get close enough just to smell Jolie's hair(and not the kind that's on her head!). Not that Halle Berry had to be cast, but she was clearly meant to serve as a visual inspiration. And judging from behind the scenes photos, they couldn't even give Jolie a comparable look in the film, in regards to clothing or hairstyle.

[TheVileOne]

Is there anything comparable to the comic and movie regarding Wanted?

[Swordmaster]

The first half-hour. Kind of.

[Venomfan]

Actually, I meant that people cry that it's being too p.c. when a black actor is cas as a white character, but a white one being cast as a black, no one really cares. I think you misunderstood my rant. :o If Fox was white and say...Angela Bassett was cast, fanboys would go nuts. No one really gives a rat's ass about this.
i think the reason no one cares though, as pointed out many times throughout this thread, is because the movie is nothing like the comic anyway, if it was, more people would care.

[Symbiotica]

She's not gonna be much like Fox of the book WANTED anyways....no matter if she was played by a black actress or not....so my answer is NO. I'm so disapointed in what I've read about this movie (and I loved the book), I wouldn't care if Fox was played by a dude at this point.

I was hoping for Michelle Rodriquez, who is more than tough enough to make a good Fox, with the added bonus of being ethnic.

I have to agree here: they could cast PeeWee Herman in the role at this point. I really don't care, the entire thing is already ruined beyond repair.

I will never understand the POINT of ticking off the target audience.

[RockSP]

Of course, the time when there's really no fuss is when neither the original character nor the actor playing him are white... like Ken Watanabe playing R'as Al Ghul. Or at least from what I saw.

Yeah but Liam Neeson was really Al Ghul.

[chamber-music]

Just FYI for perspective:

When the Spawn movie was being made, they cast a white actor, DB Sweeney, in the role of Terry, Al Simmons best friend and Wanda Blake's second husband in the comics. The character in the comics is a black man, changed to a white character in the movie.

This upset a lot of Spawn fans. The Spawn creative team that OK'ed it defended it by saying, "We need another white guy in there because if we don't then it will be considered a 'black' movie." I'm serious, they put this in the letter and news sections of the Spawn comics at the time. Some were incensed by it, other fans that were just blind Spawn fans at the time and were willing to eat whatever crap McFarlane fed us.

Looking back the reasoning for that change was racist and quite frankly retarded. Then again, the movie sucked, probably like WANTED will as well.

they do that often in Hollywood. more that a couple black main characters and its a black movie.

Thats why Hollywood never moves forward. If they just cast who was best for the part instead of filling some kind of demographic then we would actully start getting some decent movies without token racial characters.

[terry78]

Now if they ever decide to do the Ant movie, they will have no choice.

[Venomfan]

Now if they ever decide to do the Ant movie, they will have no choice.
it would be politically correct to cast an actual ant, they do outnumber us, we don't want to anger them

[Justin]

I have to agree here. I mean look at the fuss they had when Stan Lee made Batman black or the fuss they had when Lois was almost cast as a black woman.


Both of those characters are iconic characters known by the general public and this is a character that was in one graphic novel. Batman and Superman both had comics that at one time sold millions of copies a week and yet Wanted sold around 100k per issue...right? Batman and Lois Lane are characters well known by the general public from the various TV and Movie adaptations and this character is from a limited series not heard of outside of the comic book community (usually not heard of). Its not like there would be no uproar if this was done with a well known black comic book character like Cyborg from the Teen Titans, Luke Cage, or Black Panther.

So when Lois Lane is almost cast as a black woman you get people from movie sites, news sites, and entertainment sites who dont read comics complaining. With Wanted you have a minority of comic book fans complaining, so it seems like not that many people care, but in reality its that not that many people are even familiar with the source material. I mean look at how few comments this board gets compared to boards for movies way farther out from release. Even then the majority of people I have seen talking about this have been upset by the casting decision or didnt care because this movie is already a massive screw up.

I have no idea what the fuss was over a black Batman, never paid any attention to it myself. I mean he was from an alternate reality, right? Its not like he changed the original character in any way, about the only thing that he used from the character was the name.

I think the casting of Angelina Jolie as Fox is stupid, but so is everything else with this movie, it seems. I dont understand how they can say she has the ability to "become" this character more then anyone else. She is not really that good of an actress and I think there are plenty of people out there who could pull off a portrayal of the character way better than she can.


Quite - the buzz about Fury being in Iron Man as played by SLJ springs to mind. I love the Ultimates as much as the next guy, but I'm pissed that 616 Fury doesnt get the chance to redeem himself cinematically after the disastrous Hassellhoff effort.

I dislike the Fury casting decision because in my mind it changes the movie from being a regular Iron Man movie (616) to being an Ultimates Iron Man movie. I missed the boat with the Ultimates and was never able to pick up any of the series so I am not to attached to those versions of the characters.

[GL1]

So... basically when a white main character is cast as black


Fanboys go up in arms
They instantly assume the movie will horribly suck because of it
They cry "PC! PC!" until their lungs get sore
They don't really gain any more information at all on the subject and cannot be disuaded from their current point of view.


When a black main character is cast as white


Fanboys don't really care that much
They note other problems in the movie make this a non-issue
They think how much they like the Actress and then REALLY don't care
They pretend that casting white-to-black didn't really raise much of a stink, despite how loudly they decried such "atrocities."


W.T.H???

Regardless, Hollywood is completely clueless on blackness... Hollywood feels like Black headlined movies can't sell, so Will Smith has to do it five or six times before they relent, and then they say, "But it won't sell oversesas" and then after he does (Happyness) they say "Oh, but Will is the exception, no other black person could possibly do it, so we still won't let other blacks headline movies" and that, is complete illogical bull****.

What's worse... movies with plenty of main cast members who are black. Obviously that's a "black movie," and "only black people go to black movies" hollywood seems to feel... forget how many black people go to "White movies." I guess black people are just easier to please or something... you can just give them anything. So when Tyler Perry makes an all black movie that everyone loves Hollywood (and other myopic individuals) say "Oh, Tyler Perry's the exception, people still don't like to see black movies... it's just Tyler Perry movies, they would never go out to see OTHER black movies." Also completely illogical bullcrap. In the face of clear proof, a person unwilling to learn says: "Oh, that's just an exception, I refuse to change my perspective even when it has been clearly disproven."

Regardless, this topic makes me laugh. If Morgan Freeman's character had been named one of the leads in the GN, fans would be up in arms... but having Fox be a white woman? ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM.

Now, that is a hot mess no matter how you slice it.

Edit:
Oh, yeah... to answer the question:

NO, I do not have a problem.

Just like I didn't have a problem with MCD as Kingpin
Just like I didn't have a problem with Halle as Catwoman (despite the fact that it was a HORRIBLE movie)
Just like I didn't have a problem with Organic Webshooters
Just like I didn't have a problem with Hulk's Nanites Origin change
Just like I didn't have a problem with "The Tumbler"


See the consistency? Yeah, I'm a jerk... but I'm a consistent jerk, at least.

[TheVileOne]

Al Sharpton probably doesn't read comic books and doesn't know about this.

And just FYI, there was outcry and controversy when a white guy was cast as Terry in Spawn.

[terry78]

http://www.blogdecine.com/images/2006/12/wanted1.jpg

Yeah, I see the resemblance. Though like I said, Jolie could basically play any comic female, as she has the bone structure of a Jim Lee drawing.

[K.B.]

Personally I hate the casting of Jolie. Yeah I like her (when she weighs more then 90 lbs) and all but serisouly.....you telling me you COULDN'T find a hot athletic black girl at all in hollywood?!?

If I had to cast it here's my list of candidates in no order....

Rosario Dawson
Alicia Keys (check out Smokin' Aces)
Jadda Pinkett Smith
Vanessa L Williams

There's a few more but I cant think of them now but hell there's 4 right there off the top of my head.

I see the point of all this reverse racism stuff and I agree that it is. I believe that certain characters can be "cast black" and some should not. For example I have zero problem with Kingpin being played by MCD, to me that makes sense, or if they made a GL movie anddecided on using John Stewet as the main guy instead of Hal. Ok I can live with that. Now if they turned around and said Denzel is playing superman or batman, thats a different story. That would piss me off.

I remeber when they were making the Spawn movie and they said that, and yeah it was totally retarded and stupid then as it is now. As soon as a suit says something like that about your comic which is a good majority of lead black characters, you should just instantly KNOW it's gonna end up being a crappy flick and get the hell out.

[terry78]

^Though to be honest...If Denzel in his younger days played Batman...it would be pretty far off the mark, but I don't doubt he would have given a great performance. He would have done Wayne suave and Batman fierce.

[DarkSuperman]

In the comic Fox was clearly halle berry it sucks that Jolie was cast. She's pale, anorexic looking, and as far from halle as you can get.

[KenK]

At the very least, they could have just hired a black actress. That would have been acceptable. It didn't have to be Halle.

[TheVileOne]

That's a good point. There are plenty of fine black actresses that could've played this role. Even an older Vivica A. Fox could've played this role.

[xisaacx]

I dont care about race, I dont even care if they got another non black girl to be the fox. I just care that it seems the main focus is gonna be ON angelina and less on wesley, although the movie is based on him, they just throw her in there why? TO sell the movie, which is bull****. Idk im just annoyed no supervillains, angelina in it, a shoot em up piece of garbage. I really dont care how hott angelina is, she shouldnt be in it, and she looks horrible in it


ever see alicia keyes in smokin aces? yeah THAT would have been a good fox

[KenK]

Yeah man, Alicia Keyes was buckin' on dudes somethin' fierce in Smokin' Aces. S**t I'd even take her partner in crime, Taraji Henson as the Fox over Angelina!! Don't get me wrong, I love Angelina, and if she's shootin' somebody, that's usually a bonus. But I would have appreciated more faithfullness to the character, at least from a visual standpoint.

[M.O.Steel]

http://www.blogdecine.com/images/2006/12/wanted1.jpg

Yeah, I see the resemblance. Though like I said, Jolie could basically play any comic female, as she has the bone structure of a Jim Lee drawing.

Taht's what the main character looks like? did the people that are making the movie even look at the comic book? what happened to that cool suit in the movie.

[K.B.]

Yeah I liked Taraji Henson and the idea of her as Fox, I just couldn't think of her name. Like I said there are a lot of people I would have cast if I was the one directing.

[nocomics]

of course.fox was black.dammit.and jolie is paper thin in the role,not fox like in the least.
/shrug theres been lot of movies where they changed the race of the characters. Sometimes it works out sometimes it don't.

[InvisibleWoman]

I'm not too bothered about the fact they've changed Fox's race - it happens alot in comic book movies - they made Kingpin black in Daredevil and made a latino Jessica Alba a blonde, white girl in Fantastic Four. I think it's important to choose who's best for the role and there's no way you can deny Angelina as an actress! I think she's amazing, I loved her in the trailer and there's no doubt that attaching her name to the movie will bring in ALOT more people to see it. Its all good.

If you don't like her AFTER seeing her performance - then say she's wrong for the part.

[bullets]

i agree with that . its an interpretation . im glad they chose jolie .

[K.B.]

I'm not too bothered about the fact they've changed Fox's race - it happens alot in comic book movies - they made Kingpin black in Daredevil and made a latino Jessica Alba a blonde, white girl in Fantastic Four. I think it's important to choose who's best for the role and there's no way you can deny Angelina as an actress! I think she's amazing, I loved her in the trailer and there's no doubt that attaching her name to the movie will bring in ALOT more people to see it. Its all good.

If you don't like her AFTER seeing her performance - then say she's wrong for the part.

But thats the problem. Some changes, like MCD for Kingpin, make sense. This one dosent. Like I and many others have said, "You couldn't find an athletic,big name, black actress for the part?".

Alba for FF and Jolie for Wanted is just bad decision making and changes for the wrong reasons.There is no doubt that Jolie is a good actress but if you think her perfomance is going to be some tour de force then your going to be in for a shock. Her role in WANTED is nothing more then a paycheck part.

[InvisibleWoman]

But thats the problem. Some changes, like MCD for Kingpin, make sense. This one dosent. Like I and many others have said, "You couldn't find an athletic,big name, black actress for the part?".

Alba for FF and Jolie for Wanted is just bad decision making and changes for the wrong reasons.There is no doubt that Jolie is a good actress but if you think her perfomance is going to be some tour de force then your going to be in for a shock. Her role in WANTED is nothing more then a paycheck part.

Yeah, but that's the thing about Jolie, even when she does a role simply for the paycheck (think Tomb Raider, Mr and Mrs Smith, Beowulf) I've been impressed with her performance. I think she's amazing, and she's probably my favourite thing about the trailer (except for the bit where James shatters the glass). She can be so subtle, like at the beginning of the trailer where she meets James' character and gives the smallest of smiles before delivering her line...she IS a tour de force whether acting because she's passionate about a role or because of the money. I can't wait to see her in this movie. But of course, as always, we're all allowed different opinions and I hear what you're saying. Lets just wait and see when the movie comes out. If Jolie gives anything less then a strong performance, I will be the first to say I was wrong. :yay:

[Savage]

I've never even read the comic and this entire production bugs me. With Kingpin it was a case of "Where are we going to find a guy that big, that muscular, who can actually act?" Fair enough. That makes sense. But when you ask yourself "Where are we going to find a young, fit, black actress? Is there such a thing?" and come back with Angelina Jolie, you just deserve the dunce cap.

[KenK]

I've never even read the comic and this entire production bugs me. With Kingpin it was a case of "Where are we going to find a guy that big, that muscular, who can actually act?" Fair enough. That makes sense. But when you ask yourself "Where are we going to find a young, fit, black actress? Is there such a thing?" and come back with Angelina Jolie, you just deserve the dunce cap.

Pretty much. Hell, it's time to see Kerry Washington fire a gun in a movie!

[Symbiotica]

I think it's important to choose who's best for the role and there's no way you can deny Angelina as an actress!

I can and do; she does not impress me. [Tomb Raider, anyone?] I put her on a par with halle berry, another one who is where she is because of how she looks, and not because of her all-but-nonexistant acting skills.

If you don't like her AFTER seeing her performance - then say she's wrong for the part.

No, I'm gonna say she's wrong for the part NOW, because I've actually read the GN in question, and telling me that we dont have one single ethnic actress in all of Hollywood who can fill the role properly, is going to make me laugh. So don't do that. :yay:

"OMG there was nobody else, we just haaaa-aaad to cast Jolie!" Bwa-hahaha, I am trying to stay out of this forum, but let me tell you it ain't easy: I haven't sensed the approach of this *BIG* of a cinematic train-wreck since the days when the CINO forums were up and running, and I find sardonic amusement enjoyable. That's just me. :hq:

[K.B.]

It's all these people with the "wait and see" approach and the loving whatever they are given attitude, their the reason we get things like the FF movies, Nolans very un-Joker Joker, etc etc....very sad.

[InvisibleWoman]

It's all these people with the "wait and see" approach and the loving whatever they are given attitude, their the reason we get things like the FF movies, Nolans very un-Joker Joker, etc etc....very sad.

Yeah, cos it's better being a "wait and see" person then someone who judges something they haven't seen! I hate people like that! It's annoying and frustrating that people decide to not like something even though they haven't seen it! I think making an informed decision is better cos' then you don't seem so miserable and bitter. Angelina Jolie is Fox, it's done, you might not be happy but you can't justifiably insult her performance until you've seen it. Otherwise, you sound nothing more then a hater with absolutely no ground to stand on. OK, so physically she's not perfect for the role, but you seriously can't start dissing her performance can you? What didn't you like about her in the trailer? I bet if they HAD cast a black, athletic type actress for the role, people would still be *****ing about it cos' no doubt they wouldn't have cast the RIGHT black, athletic actress for the role. There's no pleasing the people on these forums...it does my head in. *goes away for a few days cos' I can't be bothered to read all the hate I'm probably gonna get back cos of this*

[K.B.]

No, if they had cast a black actress we'd be *****ing about one thing less. Thats it. We'd still be mad that its Wanted ino.

[Symbiotica]

Yeah, cos it's better being a "wait and see" person then someone who judges something they haven't seen! I hate people like that! It's annoying and frustrating that people decide to not like something even though they haven't seen it!

You have not read the graphic novel in question, have you? :word:

I'm going to use an analogy [although analogy is always dangerous]. People are angry about this movie for the following reason:

Let's say you were going to see a movie called "The Little Mermaid." Going in, you would have certain expectations about what you were going see, hey?

So you get into the theatre with your popcorn, you settle down and the film starts.

But wait... we open on a forest scene with Rosie O'Donnell skipping down a forest path, wearing a little red cape and a hood, and behind a tree you get a glimpse of Lil' Kim dressed up in a wolf costume, stalking Rosie from the underbrush.

"WTH?!" you would think. "Where's the ocean? Where's the undersea palace filled with beautiful mer-people? Where's the Sea Witch? Where's the handsome prince on a boat?! This looks like Little Red Riding Hood to me! And they cast ROSIE O'DONNELL as Little Red Riding Hood? Lil' Kim is a WOLF?!! What the....?!"

Studio: "Erm.... well, we needed to make some changes. We think Rosie fills the part of the mermaid to perfection, and all source material needs adaptation to get to the big screen. Hope you like what we've done! :yay:"



That is exactly how this film looks to everyone who has the least bit of regard for the source material. Are people ticked off? You'd better believe it, and with very good reason.

[Savage]

Wow. That is one damn good analogy. :up:

[KenK]

Bottom line is, Jolie's casting is one of the many things off about this film. It's one thing to take a wait-and-see approach on things the Fantastic Four and The Dark Knight. For one, whatever flaws you might want to fling against FF, it's immediately recognizable as FF. In the case of The Dark Knight, fans at least have Batman Begins as precendent for having faith in Nolan, and be willing to see how his interpretation of the Joker turns out. I'm personally not too keen on it, but I'm not condemning the whole film just yet.

Wanted is different because as of right now, there's very little tying the film to the comic. The basic set-up is the same, but beyond that, there's nothing about it that's readily identifiable. The intricacies of the comic appear to be non-existent, looking at the trailer. Even if The Fraternity's purpose of preserving fate is revealed to be something more sinister, and thus in line with the comics, I think it's a bit of a copout.

[CorpusBlack]

Not crazy about Jolie in the film. Then again, I'm not really a fan of hers as is.

[Docker2.0]

Haven't really read Wanted but it amazes me how people will blow a gasket cause Kingpin and Nick Fury are played by black actors but when a white person plays a black one, it's "ok" or give it a chance?! :whatever:

[TheVileOne]

Haven't really read Wanted but it amazes me how people will blow a gasket cause Kingpin and Nick Fury are played by black actors but when a white person plays a black one, it's "ok" or give it a chance?! :whatever:

:huh:

The thread was started because the poster was at issue with the casting.

[terry78]

Also, more fanboys are aware of Nick Fury and Kingpin than they are about The Fox. It was just an indie cult book that Millar created because he felt like it. It has popularity, but not Marvel legend popularity.

[RockSP]

:huh:

The thread was started because the poster was at issue with the casting.

Not exactly.

I was just curious as to the general fanboy consensus. I've seen the complaining about black actors in white roles but saw none in this instance going the other way. I wondered what people would have to say about that.

[Docker2.0]

Not exactly.

I was just curious at to the general fanboy consensus. I've seen the complaining about black actors in white roles but saw none in this instance going the other way. I wondered what people would have to say about that.

Thanks for the response. I really didn't know how to answer it any easier for the guy. :huh:

[K.B.]

How about WINO (which, ironically, you'd have to be if you actually want to see this garbage) is a crap film for many reasons, one of which is not casting a black woman where there clearly is a role MADE for her.

[TheVileOne]

That's racist.

[K.B.]

I thinks its a bit racist. Sure as hell wouldn't have happened on my watch, but then again if I had the reins we'd all be getting a literal page to screen adaptaion with only one change thoughout the whole thing.





(In the narration at the end instead of the line about "Even this comic you bought.." would be changed to "Even this movie.." to make it make sense. Read it yourself and picture it as a movie and let me know if you guys would have liked that change.)

[RDK]

but then again if I had the reins we'd all be getting a literal page to screen adaptaion with only one change thoughout the whole thing.

Anyone who thinks that Wanted could ever get a "literal" page-to-screen adaptation is deluding themselves. You, sir, are deluded. It will never, ever happen except in a fanboy's wildest dream.

[K.B.]

Your right..musta been my imagination when I saw that Sin City movie that was right from comic to screen...or that 300 movie I dreamt up.


Wonder what excuse you'll give those ones pal.

[TheVileOne]

300 made a lot of changes and additions. But most of what happened in the movie was in the book. The politics with the counsel and everything with the wife was fabricated for the movie.

There was probably some other stuff, but those things stick out the most in my mind.

I'm you could do a more faithful version of WANTED on film. Not 100% literally a translation of the graphic novel, but a lot closer than this upcoming turd that looks like a low-budget Matrix rip-off and an American remake of Day Watch.

[RDK]

Your right..musta been my imagination when I saw that Sin City movie that was right from comic to screen...or that 300 movie I dreamt up.


Wonder what excuse you'll give those ones pal.
Um, they're not "Wanted." :whatever:

[Casius--J]

Haven't really read Wanted but it amazes me how people will blow a gasket cause Kingpin and Nick Fury are played by black actors but when a white person plays a black one, it's "ok" or give it a chance?! :whatever:

well i'd like to think its because people are now used to race changes in comic book movies that now that there's another one its like oh ok then.

Angelina as fox is the least of this films flaws, but yes Fox was clearly based on halle berry but apparantly she wont do anymore comic book movies. They could've easily cast some1 who fit the bill a bit more but then again they could've followed the comic a bit more too.

[badgonegood]

Plus Hollywood is not that comfortable yet giving a white male a black love interest.

[Clown Prince]

IMO there arent alot of black beautiful actresses that can act in hollywood today that would be willing to do a graphic novel movie,in a role were not only they would have to be strong but also sexy and believable,besides Hally Berry(and she already bombed in Catwomen).So IMO getting Jolie(who is the manivestation of sexy)is just a giving also the gal can act and lets not forget that is the most important part

[shinlyle]

*looks at thread"

:o

[xisaacx]

its not about a white actor playing a black roll its about

its just the fox has certain dialogue and acts in certain ways that would only be fitting for a black actress in my opinion

[Brian Braddock]

I dunno about anyone else but, for me, with casting these comic-book adaptions - it's all about finding the closest possible physical match in an actor/actress to the character that they are portraying;

You get that right - you've taken a step in the right direction imo.

Simple fact is that Jolie does not resemble Fox one iota. That much is obvious.

But then again, the movie 'Wanted' barely resembles the comicbook 'Wanted' anyways.

So who cares?

[p4poetic]

I'm not too bothered about the fact they've changed Fox's race - it happens alot in comic book movies - they made Kingpin black in Daredevil and made a latino Jessica Alba a blonde, white girl in Fantastic Four. I think it's important to choose who's best for the role and there's no way you can deny Angelina as an actress! I think she's amazing, I loved her in the trailer and there's no doubt that attaching her name to the movie will bring in ALOT more people to see it. Its all good.

If you don't like her AFTER seeing her performance - then say she's wrong for the part.

So its perfectly fine for more talented black actresses to get screwed over by casting a white woman in one of the few decent black roles there are in Hollywood. I see. :whatever:

***Gina Torres***
Bianca Lawson
Aisha Tyler
Zoe Saldana
Kerry Washington
Sanaa Lathan
Vivica A. Fox
Naomie Harris
Thandie Newton
Melinda Williams
Joy Bryant
Gabrielle Union

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4914/814162265foxlarge754553.jpg

^^^ all would of been great choices.

I have to agree here. I mean look at the fuss they had when Stan Lee made Batman black or the fuss they had when Lois was almost cast as a black woman.

Lois Lane was never 'almost cast as a black woman'. I know you're referring to Beyonce :o

So... basically when a white main character is cast as black

* Fanboys go up in arms
* They instantly assume the movie will horribly suck because of it
* They cry "PC! PC!" until their lungs get sore
* They don't really gain any more information at all on the subject and cannot be disuaded from their current point of view.


When a black main character is cast as white

* Fanboys don't really care that much
* They note other problems in the movie make this a non-issue
* They think how much they like the Actress and then REALLY don't care
* They pretend that casting white-to-black didn't really raise much of a stink, despite how loudly they decried such "atrocities."


W.T.H???

Regardless, Hollywood is completely clueless on blackness... Hollywood feels like Black headlined movies can't sell, so Will Smith has to do it five or six times before they relent, and then they say, "But it won't sell oversesas" and then after he does (Happyness) they say "Oh, but Will is the exception, no other black person could possibly do it, so we still won't let other blacks headline movies" and that, is complete illogical bull****.

What's worse... movies with plenty of main cast members who are black. Obviously that's a "black movie," and "only black people go to black movies" hollywood seems to feel... forget how many black people go to "White movies." I guess black people are just easier to please or something... you can just give them anything. So when Tyler Perry makes an all black movie that everyone loves Hollywood (and other myopic individuals) say "Oh, Tyler Perry's the exception, people still don't like to see black movies... it's just Tyler Perry movies, they would never go out to see OTHER black movies." Also completely illogical bullcrap. In the face of clear proof, a person unwilling to learn says: "Oh, that's just an exception, I refuse to change my perspective even when it has been clearly disproven."

Regardless, this topic makes me laugh. If Morgan Freeman's character had been named one of the leads in the GN, fans would be up in arms... but having Fox be a white woman? ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM.

Now, that is a hot mess no matter how you slice it.

Edit:
Oh, yeah... to answer the question:

NO, I do not have a problem.

* Just like I didn't have a problem with MCD as Kingpin
* Just like I didn't have a problem with Halle as Catwoman (despite the fact that it was a HORRIBLE movie)
* Just like I didn't have a problem with Organic Webshooters
* Just like I didn't have a problem with Hulk's Nanites Origin change
* Just like I didn't have a problem with "The Tumbler"


See the consistency? Yeah, I'm a jerk... but I'm a consistent jerk, at least.

Halle Berry wasn't playing Selina Kyle. She played a whole different character named Patience Phillips, who was also a 'Catwoman'. I don't really understand how so people use this as an example.

[Red Mask]

This movie was the closest Jolie fans will ever see her play Catwoman. So on that, it was good enough for me.

[Brian Braddock]

Good enough simply on the basic that it allowed you a sense of what she would be like as another character in another comicbook movie?

[Red Mask]

Good enough simply on the basic that it allowed you a sense of what she would be like as another character in another comicbook movie?

Yep. On a more faithful adaption Halle Berry is welcome to it.