The Avengers: News and Speculation

[SpiderByte]

Sounds like an odd cross between the X-Men and The Young Avengers.

[sabetoonth]

Needs more Hulk.
agreed
Never heard of them. Will they part of the Mainstream Cinematic Universe, or one on it's own?
GOOGLE NOW, READ ALL OF IT! I liked the first few volumes, havent read past that though, good stuff

[Spider-Vader]

Since Marvel/Disney will be doing Runaways chances are it'll be in the same universe. Probably with subtle references like a Stark Industries billboard in the background.

[Gamma Goliath]

I hope runaways doesn't tie into avengers, it seems like one of the types of movie that needs to stand on its own. Dr.strange and punisher as well.

[sabetoonth]

I'd love that

[SpiderByte]

I think it should establish them in the same universe, by mentioning them, a'la a name on the radio or something, but not having them meet. Like Punisher reading a newspaper with an article about Iron Man in it.

[TikkiEXX]

I think it should establish them in the same universe, by mentioning them, a'la a name on the radio or something, but not having them meet. Like Punisher reading a newspaper with an article about Iron Man in it.
thats a great idea. an easy and effective way to show that all that other stuff is still out there without having to have the actor or character actually show up. i actually expect to see that alot out of some of the smaller Marvel movies. hell all you have to do is have a character just mention Cap, or Ironman or whoever and the connection is established.

[Spider-Vader]

I hope runaways doesn't tie into avengers, it seems like one of the types of movie that needs to stand on its own. Dr.strange and punisher as well.

Maybe Runaways, but Punisher & Strange DEFINITELY have to share the same universe as the Avengers. We've waited too long for comic movies to tie into like this.

[The Question]

This is S.H.I.E.L.D, remember? They're an entire different organization. Thus, different policy.

S.H.I.E.L.D. has nothing to do with The Howling Commandoes besides the fact that they share several members. S.H.E.I.L.D. was formed after the war. During the war, Nick and The Howlers were simply enlisted soldiers in the army. After Nick became head of S.H.I.E.L.D., he hired on his old friends.

[Gamma Goliath]

Maybe Runaways, but Punisher & Strange DEFINITELY have to share the same universe as the Avengers. We've waited too long for comic movies to tie into like this.
I just don't want them to over do It with the tie-ins.

[FaT_tONle]

If Punisher ever comes back it will be a crossover first and foremost.

[Silvermoth]

Joss Whedon has given an interview to the Sunday Herald Sun in Melbourne where he talks about the Avengers! It's on page 11 in the Entertainment guide and I'll post some scans of it when I get the chance. Here's what he said...

"It will be a new story that has many things from different arcs of the comics in it.

"There is no one Avengers story that you can just do the way that you can do the origins of Spider-man."

"You really have to cull from the original and the Ultimates which is one of the Avengers titles."

...

"It is true that the movie is going to have only one female Avenger but she will not be the only female character."

[SpiderByte]

Hm.....interesting.

Characters that have shown up so far that aren't on the Avengers are:

Jane Foster
Pepper Potts
Betty Ross

Could be any one of them or more.

[Parker Wayne]

Natalie Portman already said she won't be in the Avengers so she's out. I don't know about the other two, but I really don't think Betty Ross will be back either. I'm still up in the air about Pepper though

[SpiderByte]

Pepper is most likely. Or it could be a new character.

[Sawyer]

Betty Ross. :cool:



Recast. :csad:

[Blackman]

I hope Betty Ross comes back

[SpiderByte]

It might be another character from Thor. Like Darcy or (a long shot) Sif.

[Sebastos]

Maybe Runaways, but Punisher & Strange DEFINITELY have to share the same universe as the Avengers.We've waited too long for comic movies to tie into like this.

Same for Iron Fist, just imagine a scene where Danny mentions Rand Corp. helping Stark Industries with something, or the other way around.

[Doctor Jones]

I wouldn't mind seeing Pepper appearing in it for a brief time. Maybe with Tony's introduction we see her.

[Jake Cassidy]

Sharon Carter

[SpiderByte]

Didn't think of that, good point.

[Blackman]

Oh yeah duh...I forgot about her. I actually hope shes in it more than any other female character

[Sawyer]

It'd be awesome if Abigail Brand had at least a cameo, since Whedon created her.

[SpiderByte]

For some reason I keep thinking we're forgetting someone, but I can't think of anyone....odd.

[Pac-Master]

I reaaally hope it's Betty, but I think it's highly unlikely. It's probably Pepper Potts or Sharon Carter.

[babykhris]

Maybe the other female character could be Janet van Dyne as a scientist to set up the Ant-Man film.

[SpiderByte]

Hm. Maybe.

[Majik1387]

Could add merit to the rumor of Alice Eve dropping out of X-Men First Class for the rumored female villain(Enchantress)

[Iron_Stark]

Pepper is most likely. Or it could be a new character.

Gwyneth Paltrow already said she's not doing the Avengers.

[mclay18]

Gwyneth Paltrow already said she's not doing the Avengers.

She'll say that now, but she'll change her tune if Marvel contractually enforces a sequel option on her. I'm sure she has one or two films left on it.

And she doesn't have to play a supporting role. She can do a glorified cameo in the film, no big.

[LuisTX85]

She'll say that now, but she'll change her tune if Marvel contractually enforces a sequel option on her. I'm sure she has one or two films left on it.

And she doesn't have to play a supporting role. She can do a glorified cameo in the film, no big.

True!,IF it's just one female character from the movies....I choose Betsy Ross But Pots would be likely my 2nd.

[Gamma Goliath]

Betty Ross would be a good way to tie Ruffalo into the TIH continuity imo.

[Paradoxal]

Gwyneth Paltrow already said she's not doing the Avengers.
Hold on, why was she at CC for it then?

[Majik1387]

Hold on, why was she at CC for it then?

As someone who's never been to one, I was under the impression actors, writers, directors, artist, etc. go to CC not only because of a movie/comic promotion, but to give a fan service. Am I wrong? :huh:


And as for her saying she's not in Avenger's, odds are she isn't at this moment, but who knows, maybe some scene rewrites or some improv scenes will include her.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Here's, what struck me, when I watched today's IM2 Blu-Ray reel:
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/9227/29690739.jpg
Made the green highlights myself. So, what do you think guys?

[Aesop Rocks]

Avengers is going to be about Banner.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Avengers is going to be about Banner.
No, I mean, maybe they will be chasing Hulk, just like in the original Avengers v1 #1 + Whedon is saying, that the movie itself is going to be an amalgam of the 616 Avengers and the Ultimates.

[BizarroAids]

Don't forget Loki.

:cwink:

[RealIrOnMaN]

Don't forget Loki.

:cwink:
Yeah, right. Loki was the real reason, why Hulk went mad and the Avengers united against the common threat.

[Aesop Rocks]

I think The Avengers and Loki will be in a race against who gets to him first. That Agent Coulson is actually Loki rumor would work wonderfully.

[Tissues]

Missing Bruce Banner might just be the name for Incredible Hulk since he was on the run in that. asfasafffsaaw

[Aesop Rocks]

True, but if they're going in chronological order, Cap should be first.

[Ipodman]

Why is The Incredible Hulk missing?

[Aesop Rocks]

He isn't, Banner is. He went back on the run at the end of TIH. And with Loki now a more predominant threat, The Avengers are going to look for him before Loki gets his hands on him.

[Ipodman]

oh.

I was talking about The Incredible Hulk movie but

[Gamma Goliath]

Very interesting stuff. I wanna know more.

[Doctor Jones]

RealIronMan how did you get that IM2 Blu Ray reel? That's pretty cool.

[Aesop Rocks]

They released a trailer for the Blu Ray.

[Doctor Jones]

You know what I just thought of? After all the Marvel films come out on DVD, someone should make one giant fan edit of the Avengers characters in one movie combined from their own separate films, like leading up to the film itself, following the order of events in the films.

The beginning if the Cap film, then it shifts to Iron Man, Then in Iron Man 2, and intercut the first half of TIH into it, then finish off IM2, then finish off TIH leading into Stark talking to Ross. Then Thor starts, finish that which all leads into the Avengers.

[C. Lee]

You know what I just thought of? After all the Marvel films come out on DVD, someone should make one giant fan edit of the Avengers characters in one movie combined from their own separate films, like leading up to the film itself, following the order of events in the films.

The beginning if the Cap film, then it shifts to Iron Man, Then in Iron Man 2, and intercut the first half of TIH into it, then finish off IM2, then finish off TIH leading into Stark talking to Ross. Then Thor starts, finish that which all leads into the Avengers.

I'm sure someone will do it (there are fanedits of everything)...hell, I may even try it.

[Iron_Stark]

Hold on, why was she at CC for it then?

Huh? The only comic con she's been was the 2007 comic con. She wasn't even in last year's to promote IM2.

[mclay18]

According to an DHD article by Mike Fleming (http://www.deadline.com/2010/08/woody-allen-cant-afford-to-shoot-in-new-york-but-gothams-fine-without-him/#more-62816), The Avengers will do some shooting in New York. (Scroll down to the "Despite Woody's exodus..." paragraph.)

[Artistsean]

http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/706982/Update-Did-Alice-Eve-Ditch-The-X-Men-For-The-Avengers.html

Update: With Mad Men star January Jones seemingly set for the role (http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/706970/X-Men-First-Class-Adds-January-JonesAnd-A-Lot-Of-Confusion.html) in X-Men: First Class which was once a solid lock for Alice Eve, it raised questions as to where the She's Out of My League star stood in terms of Mathew Vaughn's upcoming franchise reboot. Well, it seems that the folks over at ************** may have just shed some light over First Class' Emma Frost casting debacle. According to one of their sources, after disagreements over script changes, Eve actually requested a release from her contract. Given the fact that we now have January Jones, that request was apparently granted. However, that's not even the big news. CBM also reports that Alice Eve may be courted away from the Fox-run X-Men film by Marvel Studios for a role in the upcoming crossover extravaganza The Avengers.

According to the report:
"Marvel Studio wishes to include her in their ensemble superhero film, The Avengers, as a villain. The role, albeit minor, would serve to tie together another of their properties; since the villainous character is most notably featured in Thor comic story lines. Though the role has yet to be given a name, fans of the character should undoubtedly be able to pinpoint who it is."
Sooo -- a female villain character carried over from the Thor comic storylines to be played by a buxom blonde bombshell? Gonna need to mull that one over for a bit...

...Well, whadayaknow?! If indeed Marvel has Alice Eve lined up for a role in The Avengers as the sinister Asgardian Goddess The Enchantress, it would be a major upgrade. While the role of Emma Frost is compelling, based on the glutton of others cast for the film, it doesn't seem like our White Queen would have much screen time to do anything. If we were to go by Alice Eve's apparent issues with the script, it may add credence to the idea that things look just as confusing on the inside of this production as it does to us every time we read about the near-daily additions to the cast.
Emma Frost was last played by Tahyna Tozzi in X-Men Origins: Wolverine as a kidnapped super-powered teenager in a very minor role considering her importance in the X-Universe. It's a safe bet that not much changed about that in First Class, much to chagrin of Alice Eve. That being said, it could also serve as a breakthrough role for January Jones, allowing her to shed the domestic cattiness of Betty Draper, should she embrace it well enough.

While not a thing about this rumor is confirmed, what is certain, is that Alice Eve's voluptuous look is absolutely perfect for The Enchantress. Even a small cameo in The Avengers could lead to a major role in the sequel to Kenneth Branagh's upcoming epic Thor film, which would be a huge career boost.

What do you think? Is X-Men: First Class' loss The Avengers' gain?

Read more: http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/706982/Update-Did-Alice-Eve-Ditch-The-X-Men-For-The-Avengers.html#ixzz0xSwylALL

[Gamma Goliath]

Cool if its true.

[Whiskey Tango]

Ugh, I really don't care for Alice Eve. It wouldn't be a dealbreaker but it sure would be disappointing.

[Sawyer]

Eh. It's Enchantress. I couldn't care less. It's not anyone important.

[JP]

Thats just the same thing CBM posted last week.

[Silvermoth]

umm...is Alice Eve even a good actress? She's apparently considered for every role in the geek universe but where is she on the scale of say...0 to Meryl Streep?

[Doctor Jones]

What is all this sudden love and support over Eve? She's been in like three movies, none of which seemed any good.

[Aesop Rocks]

Because she got nudey mctudey in a movie. :o

[mclay18]

What is all this sudden love and support over Eve? She's been in like three movies, none of which seemed any good.

She played a likeable character in She's Out of My League, a movie that kept her fully clothed throughout. Plus she can hide her thick London accent better than some actresses.

[Wolvieboy17]

Well Enchantress would hardly have an American accent anyway, so she wouldn't need to hide anything

[Whiskey Tango]

Except her face.

[Majik1387]

What's wrong with her face? :huh:











Don't answer because there's nothing wrong with her face. :huh:

[Jake Cassidy]

^ Who are all those actors in your avatar? It's cool.

[Silvermoth]

Just a heads up for those who are in Melbourne, Australia tomorrow night. Joss Whedon will be appearing at the Melbourne Town Hall from 9:30 to 10:30 (tickets already sold out but you never know, you might get a chance to meet him outside)

http://www.mwf.com.au/2010/content/mwf-2010-events.asp?name=20100827-2130-Keynote-Address-Joss-Whedon

[Mogwai]

did you get tickets, silvermoth?

[cryptic name]

What's wrong with her face? :huh:











Don't answer because there's nothing wrong with her face. :huh:

nothing's wrong, she's gorgeous. he's just being a tool to be a tool

[Majik1387]

^ Who are all those actors in your avatar? It's cool.
All the official Marvel cast plus Alice Eve, Kristen Bell, Jennifer Garner, Olivia Wilde, and Diane Kruger.
nothing's wrong, she's gorgeous. he's just being a tool to be a tool
That's what I figured.

[Silvermoth]

did you get tickets, silvermoth?

Unfortunately no but I'll be turning up in the rain with my camera just in case :woot:. It would be brilliant to meet him!

[Jake Cassidy]

All the official Marvel cast plus Alice Eve, Kristen Bell, Jennifer Garner, Olivia Wilde, and Diane Kruger.

Thanks. I can make out some of them, I think.

Alice Eve - Enchantress
Jennifer Garner - Abigail Brand
Kristen Bell - Wasp
Diane Kruger - Ms. Marvel
Olivie Wilde - ?

[Majik1387]

Thanks. I can make out some of them, I think.

Alice Eve - Enchantress
Jennifer Garner - Abigail Brand
Kristen Bell - Wasp
Diane Kruger - Ms. Marvel
Olivie Wilde - ?
Garner is actually Viper, not Brand. And Wilde as Mockingbird.

[Whiskey Tango]

nothing's wrong, she's gorgeous. he's just being a tool to be a tool

Go **** yourself. I just don't care for her. I don't think she's particularly hot and her acting is nothing special either. She could be easily replaced with any of the other thousands of generic blondes in the entertainment world and no one would bat an eye. Simple as that.

And Majik, if you don't like it, you can piss off as well.

[Majik1387]

Go **** yourself. I just don't care for her. I don't think she's particularly hot and her acting is nothing special either. She could be easily replaced with any of the other thousands of generic blondes in the entertainment world and no one would bat an eye. Simple as that.
No one said she couldn't be. She's likable, pretty and a decent actress thus far; Wouldn't be a negative if she was part of any future Marvel Studios movie.
You just make it seem like she has the face of a horrid looking crone, which is truly baffling. :huh:
And Majik, if you don't like it, you can piss off as well.
How mature. :whatever:

[Sawyer]

I think someone needs a little probationary ban time. :o

[Whiskey Tango]

How mature. :whatever:

Was the message somehow unclear?

[Majik1387]

I think someone needs a little probationary ban time. :o
I'm sure it'll happen soon.
Was the message somehow unclear?
Keep complaining. See where it gets you.

[Whiskey Tango]

Keep complaining. See where it gets you.

What was that you said about maturity? The little eyeroll smiles and the "see where it gets you" taunting is straight out of 2nd grade, amigo. You might as well be sticking out your tongue.

Anyway, keep trying to bait me if you must, I'm off for the night. :up: Laters.

[Sawyer]

Sure glad that's over...

[Majik1387]

What was that you said about maturity? The little eyeroll smiles and the "see where it gets you" taunting is straight out of 2nd grade, amigo. You might as well be sticking out your tongue.

Anyway, keep trying to bait me if you must, I'm off for the night. :up: Laters.
It's called sarcasm but whatever floats your boat; Keep reading into things, I don't need to bait trolls, they just do their thing on their own.
Sure glad that's over...
He'll be back. They always come back.:csad:

[Jake Cassidy]

Garner is actually Viper, not Brand. And Wilde as Mockingbird.

Thanks. I just saw the green hair. :yay:

[Wolvieboy17]

Dude, so unnecessary. One of you thinks she's hot, the other doesn't. Simple as that. No need to get all up in each others grills. Play nice.

[Jake Cassidy]

She's got nice boobs. :woot:

[Wolvieboy17]

I don't particularly think she's all that special either, but I realised a long time ago that different things do it for different people, so who cares?

Also, can we argue/debate things more relevant? A character for Thor 2 in an Avengers thread? Isn't Avengers far enough away for us? Should we argue casting for Valkyrie in Thor 3?

[Hunter Rider]

nothing's wrong, she's gorgeous. he's just being a tool to be a tool

No, he just has an opinion, I agree it was poorly conveyed but none the less it was his view. nothing more.

[Majik1387]

I don't particularly think she's all that special either, but I realised a long time ago that different things do it for different people, so who cares?

Also, can we argue/debate things more relevant? A character for Thor 2 in an Avengers thread? Isn't Avengers far enough away for us? Should we argue casting for Valkyrie in Thor 3?
Well the rumor with Alice Eve is that she requested out of X-Men First Class so she can be in Marvel Studios' Avengers movie as a villainess, not Thor 2. So in a way she is relevant to the speculative portion of the thread until confirmed/denied.

[Wolvieboy17]

Hmmmm. What villainess could she be though? They've already hinted that the Avengers will possibly start leading Marvel into the cosmic realm, so I don't see how Enchantress could fit in there.

[Jerkofwonder]

They said she'd play a female villain in Avengers that ties in with Thor.

[Wolvieboy17]

Could be Hela... or Female Loki lol

[cryptic name]

Go **** yourself. I just don't care for her. I don't think she's particularly hot and her acting is nothing special either. She could be easily replaced with any of the other thousands of generic blondes in the entertainment world and no one would bat an eye. Simple as that.

And Majik, if you don't like it, you can piss off as well.

hey man, relax. you didn't say "she's alright" or "i don't care for her". you said she should cover her face, which is messed up and uncalled for.

[cryptic name]

No, he just has an opinion, I agree it was poorly conveyed but none the less it was his view. nothing more.

i have no problem with a differing opinion, but when he says an actress should cover her face, that's just being spiteful and venomous for no reason.

[Silvermoth]

No luck Whedon hunting last night :csad:

I did see some huge lines to see him though!

[Droogoonie789]

Go **** yourself. I just don't care for her. I don't think she's particularly hot and her acting is nothing special either. She could be easily replaced with any of the other thousands of generic blondes in the entertainment world and no one would bat an eye. Simple as that.

And Majik, if you don't like it, you can piss off as well.


There should be a Debbie Downer smilie on this board.

[RealIrOnMaN]

RDJ on Tony Stark in "the Avengers" and more:
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTlZM2PMbbEiEGtIqOLttvbRluGSLJba AMZBpfYoB7rCB-4VN8&t=1&usg=__oUYC9j3ZLws9mnZ-fjHI2zScYz0=
"I think it's amazing any movie gets made correctly at all because it's run by people and egos and personalities. The whole thing, it's a miracle to me that every movie doesn't suck. Avengers, it's such a huge idea -- how are we NOT going to screw it up?"

To wrap things up, the actor was asked how he felt about sharing screen time with other actors like Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Scarlett Johansson, Samuel L. Jackson and Mark Ruffalo, Downey quipped, "I feel like more time in the trailer."

[RealIrOnMaN]

A few words about the movie from Joss Whedon himself:
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHYpGMHqPEJXXiR6JuxgwhUDNC5MJh9 qWz1am9ceYwAt-Yr1w&t=1&usg=__dqZVCoEIciMDr7DWR0z2maB9kBY=
"All sorts of things have inspired me. For example, Ridley Scott's Black Hawk Down. It's the movie that made things click for me the most, because of the toll taken on them. I felt that superhero movies were a little too nihilistic or a little too clean. I want to stick the screws in and make it personal and make it tough.

I feel when it comes to the superhero genre, it's entered its postmodern phase without getting its modern phase right."

[Aesop Rocks]

So The Avengers is going to be Black Hawk Down with Superheros? I can dig it, if I have to.

[The Question]

So The Avengers is going to be Black Hawk Down with Superheros? I can dig it, if I have to.

I think he means in terms of the emotional toll whatever the story is has on the characters, not actually in terms of plot structure.

[Aesop Rocks]

lulz, I know. I don't really see how you can compare BHD's emotional toll to The Avengers though...

[Wolvieboy17]

I think he means it will have plenty of pro american bias and gloss over history :P

[The Question]

lulz, I know. I don't really see how you can compare BHD's emotional toll to The Avengers though...

A group of characters going through a crisis scenario and being pushed well passed their own emotional limits? Seems like an easy comparison to me.

[Aesop Rocks]

Well looking at it like that. :awesome:

[JeetKuneDo]

RDJ on Tony Stark in "the Avengers" and more:
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTlZM2PMbbEiEGtIqOLttvbRluGSLJba AMZBpfYoB7rCB-4VN8&t=1&usg=__oUYC9j3ZLws9mnZ-fjHI2zScYz0=
"I think it's amazing any movie gets made correctly at all because it's run by people and egos and personalities. The whole thing, it's a miracle to me that every movie doesn't suck. Avengers, it's such a huge idea -- how are we NOT going to screw it up?"

To wrap things up, the actor was asked how he felt about sharing screen time with other actors like Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Scarlett Johansson, Samuel L. Jackson and Mark Ruffalo, Downey quipped, "I feel like more time in the trailer."

My man-crush on this guy continues...

[Silvermoth]

A few words about the movie from Joss Whedon himself:
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHYpGMHqPEJXXiR6JuxgwhUDNC5MJh9 qWz1am9ceYwAt-Yr1w&t=1&usg=__dqZVCoEIciMDr7DWR0z2maB9kBY=
"All sorts of things have inspired me. For example, Ridley Scott's Black Hawk Down. It's the movie that made things click for me the most, because of the toll taken on them. I felt that superhero movies were a little too nihilistic or a little too clean. I want to stick the screws in and make it personal and make it tough.

I feel when it comes to the superhero genre, it's entered its postmodern phase without getting its modern phase right."

Oh my lord that sounds perfect! It's so great to hear someone say something so positive and exciting about this film! I can't wait! Joss really was the perfect guy for the job.

[irapogi]

Oh my lord that sounds perfect! It's so great to hear someone say something so positive and exciting about this film! I can't wait! Joss really was the perfect guy for the job.

totally agree!!!

[Steve Holt]

Just saw Joss Whedon in Sydney, Australia

when asked who the villain/s were in The Avengers film he said he couldn't really talk about it but he used the pluralised words "Villains" and in talks with some great "Actors"

could mean a number of things, but is interesting

[Pac-Master]

Just saw Joss Whedon in Sydney, Australia

when asked who the villain/s were in The Avengers film he said he couldn't really talk about it but he used the pluralised words "Villains" and in talks with some great "Actors"

could mean a number of things, but is interesting
Interesting. I hope that the Leader is one of them. Thanks for the info!

[Iron_Stark]

Just saw Joss Whedon in Sydney, Australia

when asked who the villain/s were in The Avengers film he said he couldn't really talk about it but he used the pluralised words "Villains" and in talks with some great "Actors"

could mean a number of things, but is interesting

Awesome news. :up:

[Chewy]

Masters of Evil? Skrulls?

[FaT_tONle]

So was the Kevin Pennington rumor ever officially debunked or was there something to it? I don't see it being Skrulls. There was already a report with Alice Eve/Enchantress. I think Loki, her, and Hulk will be mainly involved along with a Cap/SHIELD villain.

[My User Name]

We'll probably get Loki. He's the first villain the Avengers faced! It would be wierd to not have him in the cast!

[Aesop Rocks]

Hey SpiderByte, what's up?

[Chewy]

I think Loki, her, and Hulk will be mainly involved along with a Cap/SHIELD villain.
Zemo Jr would seem to be a good pick. Toss in a minor Iron Man baddie like Blizzard and you've got a pretty good Masters of Evil lineup there

[Aztec]

Loki, Abomination, Red Skull, and Hydra should work well here.

[Aesop Rocks]

Yeah didn't Tim Roth or someone else say that "a few characters from the movie" (TIH) were going to show up in The Avengers? I hope it's Abomination and/or The Leader.

[sabetoonth]

if they dont kill Skull in Cap, of course theyve brough him back before

[Chewy]

But Joss says he's excited about the actors that they're talking to for the villain roles, so at least some of them are new characters.

Then again, "them" might just mean two villains.

[Aesop Rocks]

I could see Red Skull/HYDRA working with The Leader and getting Abomination in the mix too. Also, I could see Loki being somewhere in there. Not as a team member, but just having fun.

[Gamma Goliath]

The masters of evil would be cool to see.

[My User Name]

The problem with the Masters of Evil is that they've already killed off Abomination (I think), Iron Monger, and Whiplash/Crimson Dynamo. So that leaves Red Skull, Loki, and maybe ONE other person. (Unless Thor also has Absorbing Man or someone else.)

[Chewy]

The problem with the Masters of Evil is that they've already killed off Abomination (I think), Iron Monger, and Whiplash/Crimson Dynamo. So that leaves Red Skull, Loki, and maybe ONE other person. (Unless Thor also has Absorbing Man or someone else.)
I'm not really understanding this post. Why does killing off two characters make the Masters of Evil a problem? There are dozens of characters to choose from

[Aesop Rocks]

They didn't kill of Abomination , Betty begged Bruce (who was controlling The Hulk the entire time) to not kill The Hulk.

[sabetoonth]

Zemo, Abom is still alive as of the end of TIH, Enchatress, Mockingbird, Hawkeye i think was a member at one point though i might be wrong, the Fixer, moonstone/meteorite, Beattle, thats just the beginging

[Aesop Rocks]

No. I hate that list.

Red Skull/ HYDRA, Leader, Abomination.

Red Skull could be the guy in charge of the operation, HYDRA would be the grunts. Leader is the brains and Abomination is the brute force. They all work perfectly together.

[Spider-Vader]

Abomination is definitely alive. You can see him breathing after Hulk stomps on him.

[sabetoonth]

One thing ya might think about is what the milatary did to restrain him, they might have killed him, doubt it though

[Golgo-13]

That's what i've always wondered; how the military restrained him after Hulk leaps off.

[sabetoonth]

If they didnt kill him they probably jsut shackled the living **** out of him. and buried him in a box a mile under the ground(Metaphorically)


Dude, Golgo, nnice avvy ;)

[The Question]

Probably doped him up on tranquilizers.

[Gamma Goliath]

Maybe we'll get the vault.

[Golgo-13]

If they didnt kill him they probably jsut shackled the living **** out of him. and buried him in a box a mile under the ground(Metaphorically)


Dude, Golgo, nnice avvy ;)

Thanks

[Brian Braddock]

Maybe we'll get the vault.

^^^This (or at least, I'd like to think that the cinematic Marvel movieverse has a 'Vault'). Even if that's not the case, I think it was the novelisation that said that Blonsky's neck had been broken(?) so he wouldnt have been able to put up much of a fight for a while and I'm sure that SHIELD or Stark Enterprises would have had the tech to handle him.

There could be numerous, plausible explanations that one could could up with as to the 'why's and how's' they'd keep Blonksy alive. I mean, off the top of my head, maybe Ross would want to have his scientists study him given the level of investment on his part? Maybe SHIELD would have a vested interest in Blonsky too?

In any case, I'd like to think that we're moving away from the old tradition of comicbook villains dying after only being in one movie, never to return. I like the idea that they're out there somewhere; just like in the comics.

[sabetoonth]

Which i think is awesome, allows for villains to appear in a heroes solor flick and then team up with others in team movies or in sequels

[Spider-Vader]

I wish Whiplash had a similar fate to Abomination. :/

[Gamma Goliath]

Yeah, I don't believe abomy is dead. He was clearly alive, and the military couldn't kill him. So I'm thinking the vault was maybe used. I wished whiplash had the same fate.

[Chewy]

http://www.earthsmightiest.com/fansites/scifimediazone/news/?a=7593

Joss Whedon talks Avengers for 13 minutes

[Doctor Jones]

Fantastic interview. Whedon couldn't be saying better things. Whedon knows what he is doing right now.

It makes me sad this is two years away.

[Aztec]

That was a great interview. Whedon is certainly saying the right things.

Some important points from the interview (paraphrasing):

1) He didn't like Zak Penn's script. "I don't do that. I do this." He reportedly said to Marvel. He said he is completely re-writing the script.
2) He said the only problem he has with the fans is that they keep trying to add characters to his movie. LOL. I couldn't agree with him more. Less is better in this scenario.
3) Marvel has been trying to find a way to make the characters costumes more similar on screen. Whedon said he would prefer they didn't go too far because the differences in each character is the point of the film. Again, I agree with him here. I don't want them wearing "X-Men" uniforms, let them be themselves.
4) He said the most important thing for him to do is make sure the audience "cares" about the characters. :)

I'm very excited by his comments, hopefully it turns out great.

[irapogi]

That was a great interview. Whedon is certainly saying the right things.

Some important points from the interview (paraphrasing):

1) He didn't like Zak Penn's script. "I don't do that. I do this." He reportedly said to Marvel. He said he is completely re-writing the script.
2) He said the only problem he has with the fans is that they keep trying to add characters to his movie. LOL. I couldn't agree with him more. Less is better in this scenario.
3) Marvel has been trying to find a way to make the characters costumes more similar on screen. Whedon said he would prefer they didn't go too far because the differences in each character is the point of the film. Again, I agree with him here. I don't want them wearing "X-Men" uniforms, let them be themselves.
4) He said the most important thing for him to do is make sure the audience "cares" about the characters. :)

I'm very excited by his comments, hopefully it turns out great.

that sounds AMAZING.

im gonna go read it now :D

edit: listen, oops

[Aesop Rocks]

he didn't like Zak script and is making his own?! :applaud

[BoredGuy]

Is there a transcript of this interview anywhere??

I can't listen at work!!

[Aesop Rocks]

Basically he says that Zak's script was terrible and that he's doing his own.

[The Question]

Basically he says that Zak's script was terrible and that he's doing his own.

He didn't say it was terrible. He said it wasn't the kind of thing he did.

[Majik1387]

He didn't say or imply Zak's script was terrible, he just didn't see it working for him.


But it was a great interview. :up:
Was excited to hear about what he said about the looks of the Avengers.

[Aesop Rocks]

I'll just go with him saying it was terrible, because it most likely is.

[Majik1387]

Considering Penn's resume, I doubt it was terrible, it probably just needed polishing.


Considering Whedon's rewriting it, I wonder how much the rumor of Loki controlling Hulk is kept if it was true.

[Aesop Rocks]

I know I totally want to see that! :up:

[SuperSAINT]

Good interview, considering they guy was probably asked to avoid certain specifics. For me the most interesting thing to read WAS the fact that the storyline may've completely changed from the Zak Penn version.

Very interesting. So, that old AICN story outline may well have changed - The only thing that we pretty much know for sure is that Loki is still in it.

[Doctor Jones]

Whedon knows where his head is in this. He even mentioned the studi saying stuff like, "The fans would like this..." and Whedon would say, "Ehh, but I don't think other people would get that." Which is the right thing to do. The concept itself is a comic geek's wet dream. But make a film and don't make it beocme out of control which is easy to happen. Whedon seems to be aware of this. This guy is perfect for this. He's a fan but he's a storyteller, and he wants to make a compelling film. He's passionate about the characters and wants to tell a good story. Exactly what a comic book director should have.

[Aztec]

Whedon knows where his head is in this. He even mentioned the studi saying stuff like, "The fans would like this..." and Whedon would say, "Ehh, but I don't think other people would get that." Which is the right thing to do. The concept itself is a comic geek's wet dream. But make a film and don't make it beocme out of control which is easy to happen. Whedon seems to be aware of this. This guy is perfect for this. He's a fan but he's a storyteller, and he wants to make a compelling film. He's passionate about the characters and wants to tell a good story. Exactly what a comic book director should have.

Very well stated. That's what struck me about Whedon too. He cares about the plot and the characters and wants to make it work. There's more than enough fan service in this movie as it is; there's no need to shoehorn in certain characters just to make a few hundred fanboys smile.

Like I said before I like his attitude about making this film completely. That's great too because this is such an important film for Marvel and for superhero films in general.
:bh::thor::im::cap:

[Spider-Vader]

Whedon makes me 99% sure this movie will succeed. He knows what he's doing.

[The Question]

I'm glad that someone is finally making it very clear that just because you're making a summer film based on a nerdy franchise doesn't mean you shouldn't try.

[JeetKuneDo]

http://www.earthsmightiest.com/fansites/scifimediazone/news/?a=7593

Joss Whedon talks Avengers for 13 minutes

Gotta love the way he talks. Now if only I can keep my expectations from rising to "I'll see god" territory.

I'll just go with him saying it was terrible, because it most likely is.

I lol'ed.

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRa71c_BY9v1RVPtUSoWTFSvvb2Y13kH 64XtYe8klho3XxsZTE&t=1&usg=__p4mb8Z5lATLy_KYCMXQZ7RBA2Zw=
Q: Obviously there has been a concentrated effort to tie the various Marvel films together, whether it be Nick Fury in Iron Man, Tony Stark in the Hulk, or Thor's hammer in Iron Man 2. Will that be the case with Captain America as well?

Joe Johnston: "There are links between all the MARVEL films, mostly ones that only the fans will pick up on. We have several subtle references to certain elements in THOR, but since CAPTAIN AMERICA is a period picture taking place in the 40's, there are fewer opportunities for contemporary links to the rest of the MARVEL universe. We can, however, create events in our story that will be paid off in AVENGERS and other MARVEL pictures."

[BizarroAids]

I wouldn't say Penns stuff is always horrible. His scripts probably suffered from what studio heads wanted. Rothman more than likely on a few of those.

Whedon taking the rewrite, I can get behind.

[Wolvieboy17]

The stuff Penn writes solo is terrible. People always say "Oh, but he did X2". Yeah, but that was also overseen and co written by singer himself. Penn isn't that good a writer, but for some reason he seemed to hold the monopoly on Marvel scripts for a while.

[Majik1387]

He's probably a good story writer, but probably not too good at writing scripts.

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, the stories he wrote for Last Action Hero, Electra and X3 were all amazing.

[Majik1387]

Yeah, the stories he wrote for Last Action Hero, Electra and X3 were all amazing.
Hate all you want, Last Action Hero was clearly a parody action movie, and was entertaining.

The original script of X3 actually was pretty amazing, but with the changes of directors and other behind the scene drama, things were changed for the worst.

I won't defend Elektra other than saying if the movie wasn't about Elektra, it wouldn't be getting as much hate as it gets.


But anyway, like I said before, with Whedon rewriting I wonder what story points are staying and which are going and if there's gonna be anything distinctly new. :yay:

[BizarroAids]

You can't throw Last Action Hero in with Electra and X3. It's a parody of action films. It's purpose, was well showcased, and it did what was intended.

I'm not glorifying Penns work, I'm just stating that sometimes the studios and directors can change a script. Look at TIH, Penn wrote that and Norton took it over.

Whedon knows what fans want and he's going to try to work all those easter eggs in for us. I would much rather have him do a rewrite than anyone else at this point.

[BizarroAids]

Hate all you want, Last Action Hero was clearly a parody action movie, and was entertaining.

The original script of X3 actually was pretty amazing, but with the changes of directors and other behind the scene drama, things were changed for the worst.

I won't defend Elektra other than saying if the movie wasn't about Elektra, it wouldn't be getting as much hate as it gets.


But anyway, like I said before, with Whedon rewriting I wonder what story points are staying and which are going and if there's gonna be anything distinctly new. :yay:


*Sigh* I typed that all up just so you could say the exact same thing, lol.:woot:

[Majik1387]

lol It happens. :yay:

[Wolvieboy17]

Sure it was a satire, but the jokes were in the action and dialogue. I was judging it purely from a story point of view. Also, when you look at Penn's background, there isn't anything inspiring. He basically cut his teeth on 90''s action cliche.

[Spider-Vader]

I won't defend Elektra other than saying if the movie wasn't about Elektra, it wouldn't be getting as much hate as it gets.


It was crappy just like the character herself, so it fit. :awesome:

[Majik1387]

Except not.

[Aesop Rocks]

The last time Elektra was good was back in Secret Invasion.

Oh wait. SILLY ME, THAT WASN'T EVEN HER

[Wolvieboy17]

Either way, Zak Penn was the wrong person to write the script. Avengers (in fact, any superhero film these days) is entirely character driven, so bringing that out and the relationships, is incredibly important to make an ensemble film of this size work, and nothing Penn has ever written has come close to making that work. Singer gets the credit for that in X2 and then in X3 we saw exactly how terrible Penn was at writing characters.

[Majik1387]

Again, the X3 script was butchered a lot behind the scenes and the stuff that was lost from Penn were missed opportunities

[marvelrobbins]

Penn got story credit for X2 because he wrote a draft based on Singer's story and they keep some elements of Penn's draft.Now the leaked draft Penn and Simon Kinberg wrote
when Matthew Vaughn was attached to direct for X3 would have been better than the
final result.It still would be critized but It had some elements that were lost that would
have worked better.With the Avengers you may have very little that Whedon Is keeping.Penn reportly had his script mostly from the Ultimates while Whedon looked to all of marvel for Inspiration(Including looking at the 1940's Timely Captain America Comics and of coursr the hulk TV show)

[Doctor Jones]

Cyclops was still killed off though when Vaughn was attached I believe. And that's already one thing going against it.

[Wolvieboy17]

I don't doubt that Fox meddled and fiddle with story elements for X3, wanting certain characters and whatnot, but Penn was still responsible for the dialogue and threading those studio demands together, and that to me is what sucked. In X2, the best bits for me were the small character interactions. Singer really did alot with only so many small moments, like between Cyke and Wolvie when Logan returns, or Nightcrawler and Storm. There were real, genuine insights into the characters, which is what you need in an ensemble film when you can't dedicate full scenes to every character.

In X3, that was completely missing. It was crappy soap opera dialogue, completely lacking in character. So many lines that you could completely switch around between the characters, because the whole script was just written in one voice. It's particularly evident if you look at the characters that were introduced in X3 and compare how much they are fleshed out with characters from earlier films...

For instance, what did we actually ever learn about Beast? He was smart and into politics? (They made a shallow reference to him not being happy about his appearance, but then never actually carried that further). Or Colossus? We learnt his name was Pete. He was given full team status and we knew freaking NOTHING about him.

Regardless of how much control Penn had over that script, if Joss Whedon was the script writer, we at least would have seen real 3 Dimensional characters. Thank christ he's on script duty for Avengers.

[Wolvieboy17]

I don't doubt that Fox meddled and fiddle with story elements for X3, wanting certain characters and whatnot, but Penn was still responsible for the dialogue and threading those studio demands together, and that to me is what sucked. In X2, the best bits for me were the small character interactions. Singer really did alot with only so many small moments, like between Cyke and Wolvie when Logan returns, or Nightcrawler and Storm. There were real, genuine insights into the characters, which is what you need in an ensemble film when you can't dedicate full scenes to every character.

In X3, that was completely missing. It was crappy soap opera dialogue, completely lacking in character. So many lines that you could completely switch around between the characters, because the whole script was just written in one voice. It's particularly evident if you look at the characters that were introduced in X3 and compare how much they are fleshed out with characters from earlier films...

For instance, what did we actually ever learn about Beast? He was smart and into politics? (They made a shallow reference to him not being happy about his appearance, but then never actually carried that further). Or Colossus? We learnt his name was Pete. He was given full team status and we knew freaking NOTHING about him.

Regardless of how much control Penn had over that script, if Joss Whedon was the script writer, we at least would have seen real 3 Dimensional characters. Thank christ he's on script duty for Avengers.

[Alex Logan]

Yeah, the stories he wrote for Last Action Hero, Electra and X3 were all amazing.

Yeah, tell me about it.

Maybe someone here can tell me what major project Joss Whedon has worked on that gives people so much faith in him.

[Majik1387]

Yeah, tell me about it.

Maybe someone here can tell me what major project Joss Whedon has worked on that gives people so much faith in him.
Buffy, Angel, Firefly/Serenity, Toy Story, Dollhouse, Dr. Horrible's Singalong Blog...

Not to mention his run in comics

[Alex Logan]

Buffy, Angel, Firefly/Serenity, Toy Story, Dollhouse, Dr. Horrible's Singalong Blog...

Not to mention his run in comics

TV, TV, and more TV? How was Serenity a MAJOR project? Or even a success for that matter?

Toy Story I'll give you, however he didn't direct that.

Dr. what? Blog who?

Comics? What comics? Has done anything for Marvel?

[Majik1387]

TV, TV, and more TV?
Some of the most commercially and critically successful, and longest running tv shows. :huh:
Forgot to mention he also wrote for Titan A.E.
How was Serenity a MAJOR project? Or even a success for that matter?
I believe it was his second movie based off one of his own creations. Commercially it failed, but I have yet to hear anything distinctly negative from the fanbase.
Toy Story I'll give you, however he didn't direct that.
So what? Are we talking writing or directing, because either way, he does excel in both.
Dr. what? Blog who?
Google it. It gained a cult following within a manner of weeks.
Comics? What comics? Has done anything for Marvel?
Umm yeah, Astonishing X-Men for a 24 issue run. X3 used the idea of a mutant cure from his run. He also wrote for Runaways and was part of the storytelling crew of the Civil War event. I know there's more he's done, but those are the ones I know.

[JP]

How was Serenity a MAJOR project? Or even a success for that matter?

Oh, I get it. Money = good. Serenity didn't make money, so it must be bad. :)

[Sawyer]

Oh, I get it. Money = good. Serenity didn't make money, so it must be bad. :)

Uhh... Duh. Obviously Avatar is the pinnacle of human achievement. :o

Get with the program, people. :whatever:

[Alex Logan]

Some of the most commercially and critically successful, and longest running tv shows. :huh: Forgot to mention he also wrote for Titan A.E.

Ture, but most of them were what I would "chessy soap opera shows with too many characters". That is far from what Avengers needs to be.

I believe it was his second movie based off one of his own creations. Commercially it failed, but I have yet to hear anything distinctly negative from the fanbase.

True.

So what? Are we talking writing or directing, because either way, he does excel in both.

Writing maybe, but directing a mayor film? That remains to be seen.

Google it. It gained a cult following within a manner of weeks.

Well, if it's anything like his TV shows I don't need to because I won't like it.

Umm yeah, Astonishing X-Men for a 24 issue run. X3 used the idea of a mutant cure from his run. He also wrote for Runaways and was part of the storytelling crew of the Civil War event. I know there's more he's done, but those are the ones I know.

I can't say I've read that so can't judge it. The mutant cure was one of the worst things about X3.

Oh, I get it. Money = good. Serenity didn't make money, so it must be bad. :)

Uh, no. Don't assume you know what I'm thinking. Serenity was great, but there won't be another one will there? So, if he fails at Avengers then guess what?

[Majik1387]

Ture, but most of them were what I would "chessy sopa opera shows with too many characters". This is far from what Avengers needs to be.
I saw them more as ensemble pieces, sometimes with cheesey soap opera story points.
Writing maybe, but directing a mayor film? That remains to be seen.
I'll agree he hasn't done an amazing job directing a movie, but to be fair he's only directed one movie.
Well, if it's anything like his TV shows I don't need to because I won't like it.
Ah, so there is a bias.
I can't say I've read that so can't judge it. The mutant cure was one of the worst things about X3.
The way the movie delivered the plot of the mutant cure I'll agree was less than spectacular, but I don't believe the idea of a mutant cure was a bad one.
So, if he fails at Avengers then guess what?
Then Marvel will hire another director for the next movie.:huh:

[Wolvieboy17]

Agreed Majik.

Specifically I would say his work on Firefly and Serenity are good examples of how he directs and manages a full ensemble cast, and balances dramatic elements and character development with exciting and interesting action.

Also, he is very familiar with all the characters, so we can trust him to be faithful to the spirit of each franchise/character.

[Wolvieboy17]

Well, if it's anything like his TV shows I don't need to because I won't like it.

Isn't an open mind a wonderful thing?

Uh, no. Don't assume you know what I'm thinking. Serenity was great, but there won't be another one will there? So, if he fails at Avengers then guess what?

Logic is pretty great too!

[Parker Wayne]

Yeah, tell me about it.

Maybe someone here can tell me what major project Joss Whedon has worked on that gives people so much faith in him.

He was talking about Penn.

Whedon can not only create fully fleshed out characters but he can also do very well with ensembles and dynamics between those ensembles, and all of those are key when handling a huge project like the Avengers. How will Iron Man act toward Captain America? How will Thor react to the other two characters? How will the SHIELD characters play into the story? In what capacity will Hawkeye be in? Can you create a great story without screwing over any one of the Avengers?

With many other directors it may seem overwhelming, but Whedon's got it down. He's saying all the rights things thats striking a cord with not only fans of comics, but fans of film. He says he's going to use 2009 Star Trek and Kirk and Spock's relationship as inspiration for the dynamic between Iron Man and Captain America along with the Civil War comic (keep in mind I said inspiration for the dynamic, not the dynamic itself). He also added elements into Captain America that will lead into The Avengers.

And I didn't even mention yet that he's a fan of the original Avengers comics and his run on X-men is one of the top Astonishing X-men runs that further shows his skills for building ensembles.

He has directed films before and has proven to be very successful. Why not get a guy who respects the source material like so many fans wanted instead of Abrams or Spielberg who would take much more liberties than Whedon?

[The Question]

Maybe someone here can tell me what major project Joss Whedon has worked on that gives people so much faith in him.

He's never worked on anything as big and loud as Avengers is probably going to be, but he's regularly done wonders with shows and movies that hard large casts and has proven himself to be an extremely talented director, specifically in being able to use every last dime he's given wisely and make things with a standard TV budget look like film quality material. Take Serenity, for example. Not as big a budget film as Avengers by a long shot. It essentially had a TV budget. But it looked like a decently budgeted Hollywood film. Now, imagine what he could do with an actual Hollywood budget.

[Iron_Stark]

TV, TV, and more TV? How was Serenity a MAJOR project? Or even a success for that matter?

Toy Story I'll give you, however he didn't direct that.

Dr. what? Blog who?

Comics? What comics? Has done anything for Marvel?

You're obviously a Nolan fan so I'll ask you this, what did Nolan do before Batman Begins? Did he have a full resume a huge blockbusters under his belt? No, all he had was one cult following movie and another that didn't make squat in the BO. NONE of which were major projects. Yet people now claim he's the second coming. Quit complaining about Whedon.

I LOL at people who jump on hiring decisions because the flavor of the month isn't hired or they just want to hate jut to hate.

[Gamma Goliath]

Nicely put Parker Wayne

[Doctor Jones]

Indeed. I don't get the doubt in Whedon. The man is a good writer as he is a director. He can write and direct ensembles very well, which he has done time and time again. Written comic books, is a fan of them. And is a great storyteller in both forms. How is this man not the man for the job? Oh, wait, he only directed a film with special effects with an ensemble and has directed television and written for it. I guess he shouldn't direct The Avengers.

J.J. Abrams came from television. MI3 was his first film and it dealt with a team. Whedon already has done a film with an ensemble, and he's doing Avengers.

Can someone tell me hwo is better for this job than Whedon? He has the perfect blend of everything for this. He's a director, a writer, loves comic book and films. He has a passion for comics but is also a great storyteller, so he isn't disillusioned by overly indulging in fanboy wants. He probably not only make a great film, but one where he respects the material and doesn't screw anyone over. He's conscious of all of this. He gets it. For the fans and the GA. He's the perfect package for this film.

[Doctor Jones]

He was talking about Penn.

Whedon can not only create fully fleshed out characters but he can also do very well with ensembles and dynamics between those ensembles, and all of those are key when handling a huge project like the Avengers. How will Iron Man act toward Captain America? How will Thor react to the other two characters? How will the SHIELD characters play into the story? In what capacity will Hawkeye be in? Can you create a great story without screwing over any one of the Avengers?

With many other directors it may seem overwhelming, but Whedon's got it down. He's saying all the rights things thats striking a cord with not only fans of comics, but fans of film. He says he's going to use 2009 Star Trek and Kirk and Spock's relationship as inspiration for the dynamic between Iron Man and Captain America along with the Civil War comic (keep in mind I said inspiration for the dynamic, not the dynamic itself). He also added elements into Captain America that will lead into The Avengers.

And I didn't even mention yet that he's a fan of the original Avengers comics and his run on X-men is one of the top Astonishing X-men runs that further shows his skills for building ensembles.

He has directed films before and has proven to be very successful. Why not get a guy who respects the source material like so many fans wanted instead of Abrams or Spielberg who would take much more liberties than Whedon?

Whoa, when did he say this? If so, this has made my day. :awesome: Someone knows what he's doing.

[Gamma Goliath]

He said it a few weeks ago, maybe over a month ago.

[Aztec]

Yeah he has said that the new Star Trek and Black Hawk Down are serving as his inspirations for The Avengers. I like his line of thinking.

[Parker Wayne]

He's never worked on anything as big and loud as Avengers is probably going to be, but he's regularly done wonders with shows and movies that hard large casts and has proven himself to be an extremely talented director, specifically in being able to use every last dime he's given wisely and make things with a standard TV budget look like film quality material. Take Serenity, for example. Not as big a budget film as Avengers by a long shot. It essentially had a TV budget. But it looked like a decently budgeted Hollywood film. Now, imagine what he could do with an actual Hollywood budget.

This. Whedon can handle himself very well and he also has much more talented actors than he ever had before in the Avengers. That will go a long way.

You're obviously a Nolan fan so I'll ask you this, what did Nolan do before Batman Begins? Did he have a full resume a huge blockbusters under his belt? No, all he had was one cult following movie and another that didn't make squat in the BO. NONE of which were major projects. Yet people now claim he's the second coming. Quit complaining about Whedon.

I LOL at people who jump on hiring decisions because the flavor of the month isn't hired or they just want to hate jut to hate.

Two cult following films. Assuming the one you mention is Memento, you also forgot about his debut film Following which also had a niche audience.

And I didn't really like Insomnia that much.

Nicely put Parker Wayne

Thanks! I try. :yay:

Whoa, when did he say this? If so, this has made my day. :awesome: Someone knows what he's doing.

Haha yeah. Whedon absolutely knows what he's doing and he understand the characters.

I mean of all the directors of upcoming comic book films, I have the most faith in him, and that saying a lot when Kenneth Branaugh (Thor) and Martin Campbell (Green Lantern) are both very good character driven directors too and I'm slowly gaining faith in Johnston (Captain America). Matthew Vaughn (X-men FC) is very good too but he's working with Fox but Kick-ass 2 will probably be very good. And I haven't seen much on Marc Webb in order to make a decision.

Yeah he has said that the new Star Trek and Black Hawk Down are serving as his inspirations for The Avengers. I like his line of thinking.

Black Hawk Down!? I never heard that! :yay:

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah, he mentioned it a couple pages back in this or another thread.

As much as I would have loved Abrams or Spielberg to do this, Whedon as a choice makes me alot happier. I'm confident he'll have a good mix of the things that he fans and the GA wants to see.

This idea is already eye catching to anyone who hears this. And for the GA, a trailer even more so. If the trailer kicks ass and the hype is right, people will flock to this.

[Spider-Vader]

TV, TV, and more TV? How was Serenity a MAJOR project? Or even a success for that matter?

Toy Story I'll give you, however he didn't direct that.

Dr. what? Blog who?

Comics? What comics? Has done anything for Marvel?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEhDZN0RFjw

[Figs]

Just got this from Marvel Movies update on Facebook.

http://www.dailyblam.com/news/2010/09/04/director-joss-whedon-confirms-hulk-member-emthe-avengersem-team

“Getting people to buy into that world…is a job. You have to separate tone, you have to explain things without spending half your movie explaining things. There’s a lot of work to be done. I love these guys. There all really, really messed up people. These are damaged people.”


“We’ve had a lot of the same discussions and they’ve revolved around color and costumes...
You have to hit this in the face. You have to say 'one of these guys is enormous and green, one of these guys has a cape, one of these guys wears the flag, this one’s metal, that guy has a bow and arrow!'

There are ways in which we’re gonna be able to tie them together in the color pallet as it seems. And there are ways in which I simply don’t want to. The Avengers are in some way a slightly ridiculous concept and without getting ever (he really emphasizes ever) campy or losing the integrity of this thing you gotta let their freak flag proudly fly. This is a motley crew. They do not belong together. That’s the point of the whole movie is them discovering in what way they do belong together because they really don’t to the casual observer.”


Not sure if this picture is 100% official but it's still pretty badass.

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This has me more pumped than I was before and i'm glad to see that Hulk will in fact be a member of the team as opposed to wrecking shop due to Loki.

[Majik1387]

Yeah that poster was made by the mad butcher. He posted it in the fan art thread

[Iron_Stark]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEhDZN0RFjw


LOL that was great. :awesome:

I wish I knew about this video there are plenty of posts in the Iron Man board I would've hit reply to with this vid.

[Figs]

Yeah that poster was made by the mad butcher. He posted it in the fan art thread

He did a damn fine job because that looks badass and would have been something I would have liked to have seen as the official one.

[Parker Wayne]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEhDZN0RFjw

:lmao: I loved that scene.

and owned.

[Alex Logan]

You're obviously a Nolan fan so I'll ask you this, what did Nolan do before Batman Begins? Did he have a full resume a huge blockbusters under his belt? No, all he had was one cult following movie and another that didn't make squat in the BO. NONE of which were major projects. Yet people now claim he's the second coming. Quit complaining about Whedon.

I LOL at people who jump on hiring decisions because the flavor of the month isn't hired or they just want to hate jut to hate.

Nolan made two very good films before doing Batman Begins. Nolan took an idea to Warner Bros. and convinced them let him make ANOTHER Batman after everyone thought the franchise was dead and gone. So clearly they liked what he had to offer.

I'm not complaining about Whedon, I have noting against the dude. My point is that Mavel is taking a pretty risk by giving a him a major movie franchise to direct. Maybe he'll blow us all away, I hope he does, but I'm not going to run around screaming that he's got the film in bag just yet. After all, I know a few people around here that doubted Nolan could deliver with Inception.

[Alex Logan]

I saw them more as ensemble pieces, sometimes with cheesey soap opera story points.

Ah, so there is a bias.

Then Marvel will hire another director for the next movie.:huh:

Well, at least we agree that they are cheesey soap operas.

No, it's has nothing to do with bias. I don't like his TV shows. I didn't like any of the X-Men films, does that mean I'm biased against Singer? No, he's a great director, he just needs to stay away from comic book movies.

I liked the ONE film that Whedon did direct. And that's kinda the point. ONE FILM.

Um, no. If the first one flops there might not be another one. There might not be another "team-up" movie ever again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEhDZN0RFjw

Great comeback!

:whatever:

[Aesop Rocks]

Why would Worthington be Batman???? :huh:

[Doctor Jones]

Some stupid rumor a year ago about Bale being replaced. By now wouldn't you have taken it down?

[Aesop Rocks]

Not my fault whoever started that rumor casted Batman better.

:awesome:

[Majik1387]

Well, at least we agree that they are cheesey soap operas.
I didn't say that. I said sometimes they had cheesy soap opera points to them, but I don't think there's a tv show that doesn't have one.

No, it's has nothing to do with bias. I don't like his TV shows.
And you've already judged a cult followed project of his based on that bias.
I didn't like any of the X-Men films, does that mean I'm biased against Singer? No, he's a great director, he just needs to stay away from comic book movies.
Disagreed
I liked the ONE film that Whedon did direct. And that's kinda the point. ONE FILM.
Okay. I don't understand your point.
Um, no. If the first one flops there might not be another one. There might not be another "team-up" movie ever again.
Doubt that it will flop at all. If it's not a huge blockbuster, I at least think it will only be a little below one in numbers.

[Aesop Rocks]

I don't like this Whedon hate.

lesser known directors like Neill Blomkamp and Duncan Jones made their feature-film debuts with two very critically acclaimed movies.

[Majik1387]

I didn't like Moon.:csad:

[Aesop Rocks]

Moon is one of my favorite movies of all time. But I can see why people wouldn't like it, and that's fine with me. To each is own. :) :up:

[Figs]

I don't like this Whedon hate.

lesser known directors like Neill Blomkamp and Duncan Jones made their feature-film debuts with two very critically acclaimed movies.

Exactly.

I really liked Serenity even though it was only slightly above a TV movie production, which of course was probably due to budget more than anything.

I'm going to give him a chance with The Avengers film and he does seem to have a huge passion for these characters. This will easily be the make or break him move in his career and I have a feeling he'll suceed since these characters are big and he'll get a larger budget and more trust then when he made Serenity.

[Aesop Rocks]

I may get **** for this, but I don't like Serenity or Firefly. Trust me, I tried to watch both.

[Majik1387]

Moon is one of my favorite movies of all time. But I can see why people wouldn't like it, and that's fine with me. To each is own. :) :up:
It took a total of 5 times for me to watch it cuz I kept falling asleep through it. :csad:

[Aesop Rocks]

Not me. I can sit through almost any of the slowest paced movies. The Assassination of Jesse James is the slowest movie that I've ever watched and I watched it in one sitting.

[WillardNation]

I may get **** for this, but I don't like Serenity or Firefly. Trust me, I tried to watch both.

At least you learned to love It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia :awesome:

[Aesop Rocks]

Speaking of that, after The Simpsons Movie, FX is showing like 10 episodes in a row. :awesome:!

[WillardNation]

I just set my DVR recording. September 16th can't get here soon enough. Life will finally have meaning again.

[Aesop Rocks]

Heard DAT! Charlie Day would make a very interesting Deadpool. LOL

Anyways, I hate people that aren't giving Whedon a chance. It's idiotic.

[WillardNation]

True dat. I think Glenn Howerton would probably be better suited for Deadpool. Physically, anyway.

[Aesop Rocks]

Day could buff up. But it'd be REALLY weird seeing. LOL

[Sawyer]

Glenn Howerton, Charlie Day, Rob McElhenney and Kaitlin Olson for the Fantastic Four! :awesome:

With Devito as Moleman! :cool:

[Aesop Rocks]

Kaitlin Olson would make a brilliant Reed! :awesome: :o

[Sawyer]

:argh:

[Aesop Rocks]

Am I the only one that doesn't think she's funny? :/

Again, we need to stick on topic.

[Sawyer]

Am I the only one that doesn't think she's funny? :/

Again, we need to stick on topic.

I'll stick on whatever I so choose. :o

[Alex Logan]

I don't like this Whedon hate.

lesser known directors like Neill Blomkamp and Duncan Jones made their feature-film debuts with two very critically acclaimed movies.

For the second time I don't hate the guy.

[Aesop Rocks]

SEEMS LIKE IT. :awesome:

[Parker Wayne]

For the second time I don't hate the guy.

You may not hate the guy, but it does sound like you hate him as director.

[Wolvieboy17]

Well, at least we agree that they are cheesey soap operas.

No, it's has nothing to do with bias. I don't like his TV shows. I didn't like any of the X-Men films, does that mean I'm biased against Singer? No, he's a great director, he just needs to stay away from comic book movies.

I liked the ONE film that Whedon did direct. And that's kinda the point. ONE FILM.

Um, no. If the first one flops there might not be another one. There might not be another "team-up" movie ever again.

Not biased against Singer, but it tells me you probably won't like a Whedon directed Avengers regardless, because you clearly don't like tight ensemble, character driven stories.... or, like... good movies... :P

[WillardNation]

Why the **** won't it let you type in all caps? Whose idea was that? Sure people who type in all caps for no reason are retarded, but what about when I want to show an extreme amount of excitement, huh? What about then?

[Alex Logan]

Wow. You're cool.

Awesome sig, by the way.

And so are you. I love your Sig too!

You may not hate the guy, but it does sound like you hate him as director.

How is that? He's only directed one films and I already said I liked it.

Not biased against Singer, but it tells me you probably won't like a Whedon directed Avengers regardless, because you clearly don't like tight ensemble, character driven stories.... or, like... good movies... :P

Right, I hate Heat, Casino, The Usual Suspects, True Romance, Pulp Fiction, Iron Man, TDK, Inception, Ect.

You know me so well.

[Kelly]

woooo!!!!! Suckfest 2010!!!! Let's get wasted!!!! Wooooo!!!!!!

Why the **** won't it let you type in all caps? Whose idea was that? Sure people who type in all caps for no reason are retarded, but what about when I want to show an extreme amount of excitement, huh? What about then?

I think people get the idea that you are excited...

Do you have something that you would like to discuss in the area of News and Speculation about The Avengers?

If not, then quiet reading might be your best bet.

[Wolvieboy17]

Right, I hate Heat, Casino, The Usual Suspects, True Romance, Pulp Fiction, Iron Man, TDK, Inception, Ect.

You know me so well.

I guess those hours of spying on you through your bedroom window paid off then.

[Alex Logan]

I guess those hours of spying on you through you're bedroom window paid off then.

:wow::wow::wow::wow::wow:

[Aesop Rocks]

I can't wait to watch a Whedon-directed Avengers movie. :yay:

[Alex Logan]

I can't wait to watch a Whedon-directed Avengers movie. :yay:

:awesome:

[Aesop Rocks]

I really can't. I'm so glad he was chosen to direct!

[Wolvieboy17]

They honestly couldn't have chosen anyone who could give each character the best possible treatment. He knows and loves them all already so we know he won't comprimise anything for the sake of making 'a cool movie'

[Alex Logan]

I really can't. I'm so glad he was chosen to direct!

:awesome::awesome:

[Aesop Rocks]

You really need to change your sig.

[Gamma Goliath]

Aesop your pacman avvy is awesome, where or what's it from?

[JeetKuneDo]

Yeah, tell me about it.

Maybe someone here can tell me what major project Joss Whedon has worked on that gives people so much faith in him.

He's a great story-teller. If you can do that, you can do that. Doesn't matter what level of project it is.

[Alex Logan]

You really need to change your sig.

Nah.

[Pac-Master]

Aesop your pacman avvy is awesome, where or what's it from?
It's from this cool Pac-Man shirt. Of course.. I would know :oldrazz:.

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/6601/pacmantshirt.jpg

[Gamma Goliath]

That is sweet.

[JeetKuneDo]

Well, if it's anything like his TV shows I don't need to because I won't like it.

I've only ever seen Firefly myself...and it was awesome. (I saw it because I saw Serenity almost by accident) Never gave the other ones a chance because I knew nothing about him and the whole "Buffy" idea seemed hokey. But after seeing Firefly I think I should rent Buffy...he seems like a guy that can turn a hokey idea into gold.

And you should check out the Dr Horrible thing. It's a short little YouTube deal he did with Neil Patrick Harris. (4 parts I believe) It weird and wacky, but a good watch.

Whedon can not only create fully fleshed out characters but he can also do very well with ensembles and dynamics between those ensembles, and all of those are key when handling a huge project like the Avengers. How will Iron Man act toward Captain America? How will Thor react to the other two characters? How will the SHIELD characters play into the story? In what capacity will Hawkeye be in? Can you create a great story without screwing over any one of the Avengers?

With many other directors it may seem overwhelming, but Whedon's got it down. He's saying all the rights things thats striking a cord with not only fans of comics, but fans of film. He says he's going to use 2009 Star Trek and Kirk and Spock's relationship as inspiration for the dynamic between Iron Man and Captain America along with the Civil War comic (keep in mind I said inspiration for the dynamic, not the dynamic itself). He also added elements into Captain America that will lead into The Avengers.

And I didn't even mention yet that he's a fan of the original Avengers comics and his run on X-men is one of the top Astonishing X-men runs that further shows his skills for building ensembles.

The things he is saying are only heightening the excitement for me. I thought it was a great hire before...but then he confirms it with what he says. The bolded above being a good example. It's exactly what I would hope a director would do.

Whoa, when did he say this? If so, this has made my day. :awesome: Someone knows what he's doing.

Agreed!

I mean of all the directors of upcoming comic book films, I have the most faith in him, and that saying a lot when Kenneth Branaugh (Thor) and Martin Campbell (Green Lantern) are both very good character driven directors too and I'm slowly gaining faith in Johnston (Captain America). Matthew Vaughn (X-men FC) is very good too but he's working with Fox but Kick-ass 2 will probably be very good. And I haven't seen much on Marc Webb in order to make a decision.

It was something I read from Vaughn about Kick Ass 2 that got me a little excited for the X-Men movie. (I had zero excitement) He opined about using a tone similar to Unforgiven for Hit-Girl's arc. That's such a great idea.


I liked the ONE film that Whedon did direct. And that's kinda the point. ONE FILM.

You could look at it this way: You've liked every film Whedon has directed. :) He's batting 1000% in your book.

I may get **** for this, but I don't like Serenity or Firefly. Trust me, I tried to watch both.

Augh! Ok....I'm going to give you **** for that.

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb191/jingweed/manure.png

:cwink:

[WillardNation]

I think people get the idea that you are excited...

Do you have something that you would like to discuss in the area of News and Speculation about The Avengers?

If not, then quiet reading might be your best bet.

You turned mean :csad:


I can't wait to see a Whedon directed Avengers! I think he's a great choice!

[Aesop Rocks]

Augh! Ok....I'm going to give you **** for that.

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb191/jingweed/manure.png

:cwink:

Oh you! :awesome:

[Kelly]

You turned mean :csad:


I can't wait to see a Whedon directed Avengers! I think he's a great choice!

I was never nice....

[Aesop Rocks]

bold text

[Kelly]

That's my "mod voice".....:cwink:

[Aesop Rocks]

hehe. It's like the Wizard of Oz. :awesome:

[Kelly]

hehe. It's like the Wizard of Oz. :awesome:

Just don't look behind the curtain, and you won't get hurt....