The Avengers: News and Speculation

[Wolvieboy17]

So you're allowed a bold mod voice but we're not allowed annoying Caps lock internet flamer voices?

[Aztec]

Hey I hear they are making an Avengers movie....

[Aesop Rocks]

Yeah, something about superheroes coming together for a BBQ or something.

[C. Lee]

Hey I hear they are making an Avengers movie....

Hope it's better than the last one.....Ralph Fienes was all wrong for Steed.

[Alex Logan]

I've only ever seen Firefly myself...and it was awesome. (I saw it because I saw Serenity almost by accident) Never gave the other ones a chance because I knew nothing about him and the whole "Buffy" idea seemed hokey. But after seeing Firefly I think I should rent Buffy...he seems like a guy that can turn a hokey idea into gold..

And you should check out the Dr Horrible thing. It's a short little YouTube deal he did with Neil Patrick Harris. (4 parts I believe) It weird and wacky, but a good watch.

That's cool. I watched a little bit of Angel in the beginning, but then it got too ridiculas for my taste.

You could look at it this way: You've liked every film Whedon has directed. :) He's batting 1000% in your book.

Good way too look at it. :cwink:

[Parker Wayne]

How is that? He's only directed one films and I already said I liked it.


Okay I believe you. Its just that you came off as resenting him.

Hey I hear they are making an Avengers movie....

Whaaaaaaaat!?

Hope it's better than the last one.....Ralph Fienes was all wrong for Steed.

:awesome:

[Alex Logan]

Okay I believe you. Its just that you came off as resenting him.

Yeah, this is why I hate texting too. A person can't convey true feelings with blocks of text.

:cwink:

[Parker Wayne]

Yeah, this is why I hate texting too. A person can't convey true feelings with blocks of text.

:cwink:

Haha that happens a lot. Sarcasm sucks with texting.

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, sarcasm REAAAAAAAAAALLY sucks.... heh heh heh... Oh wait, for that joke to work, you needed to know I was being sarcastic... FOILED!!!

[Shivsguy616]

If it's a real problem, you could always use "(!)".

[RealIrOnMaN]

Jeremy Renner about Hawkeye in the movie: http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/09/15/jeremy-renner-hawkeye-avengers-costume/

"I think it's going to be a little more reality-based," said Renner. "You can kind of tell with Scarlett [Johansson]'s character [in 'Iron Man 2'], it's going to be more of a uniform . . . and not a big purple, comics sort of thing."

According to Renner, it's that decision to stray from the classic look that's helped the Marvel movies connect with mainstream audiences.

"That's why I think it's more palatable to audiences — there's almost a sense of reality to these superheroes," he explained. "That's what makes it interesting to me, anyway."

Asked whether Hawkeye and Black Widow will end up romantically involved in the movie as they occasionally have in the comics world, Renner indicated that it was a possibility — but the pair will start off as teammates. Given that hint, it's likely that Hawkeye could be part of Nick Fury's S.H.I.E.L.D. team a la "The Ultimates," but nothing is certain at this point.

"We will [have a relationship], I think, in this one as well," said Renner. "We're kind of a team, and what that relationship is, is still to be discovered."

"The Avengers" hits theaters in 2012.

[Aesop Rocks]

ALREADY POSTED. :cmad:

[RealIrOnMaN]

ALREADY POSTED. :cmad:
Well, I didn't create the whole thread just about this costume, so... no offense, bro) Just posted the thing where it belongs to)

[Majik1387]

It's already been posted in here is what he's getting at.

[Aesop Rocks]

no, no child. I made a whole thread. :awesome:

[rzatherazor]

chilll out

[Aesop Rocks]

Uh, who are you? :huh:

[RaZaTrOn]

he is 'rzatherazor', he has similar letters to me! :awesome:


I like the idea of Hawkeye having a uniform but I'd love to see what he would have looked like in the suit. I wish they did that as a special treat for fans on the dvd, make the comic costume and show us.

[Sawyer]

Hey I hear they are making an Avengers movie....

I wouldn't get too excited, I hear it's a remake of this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Avengers_(film)

:cool:

[Doctor Jones]

I'm fine with the costume change. I mean come on, how owuld a complete purple costume on Jeremy Renner with that big mask look?

[Majik1387]

I'm fine with the costume change. I mean come on, how owuld a complete purple costume on Jeremy Renner with that big mask look?
About the same as a man-made iron outfit painted red and gold; or army fatigues and armor in red, white and blue with stars; or a fully armored viking with a gravity defying cape and silver helmet....

[Wolvieboy17]

Okay Majik, I understand what you're saying, but you know that they're completely different scenarios. With the other 3 characters coming from completely different contexts ( A functional armored suit, a costume deliberatly coloured for propaganda, and an alien/god war suit) it would be slightly less justified for a SHIELD agent to for some reason, favour purple. It would look ludicrous. Thats not to say they couldnt somehow encorporate a little purple in there, like maybe his bow is purple, but you must conceed that it will be a costume that needs a little changing.

[Majik1387]

Okay Majik, I understand what you're saying, but you know that they're completely different scenarios. With the other 3 characters coming from completely different contexts ( A functional armored suit, a costume deliberatly coloured for propaganda, and an alien/god war suit) it would be slightly less justified for a SHIELD agent to for some reason, favour purple. It would look ludicrous. Thats not to say they couldnt somehow encorporate a little purple in there, like maybe his bow is purple, but you must conceed that it will be a costume that needs a little changing.
No more changing than the rest of the silver screen costumes have been changed. Now is there a certain costume I want to see on Hawkeye in the movie? No, there's many years of costume changes. What you do is take the best from the more popular ones, and incorporate them appropriately for film. It's not a hard task to do nor explain on-screen, so no, I refuse to listen to fanboys on the internet about what will work onscreen.

[Wolvieboy17]

Well for instance, I would say the image in your avatar, no matter how cool it might look to us comic fans, would look ridiculous to a general audience. I just don't see why or how they could justify a black ops dude in a superhero outfit. He's not a superhero, he's the SHIELD military presence on the team. Like I said, thats not to say he can't have a customised or personalised shiled outfit, with a little purple or something, enough to set him apart, but to get his own, fully unique Hawkeye suit would be something thats hard to do, without a specific way to justify it. Like I said, all the other Avengers have had whole movies dedicated to justifying their appearance so an audience can accept them, but it would be harder to do so with Hawkeye. I'm not against him with a uniform, if they can make one look cool and practical i'm all for it, it's just that he could cross a fine line between bad ass and camp as all hell.

[WillardNation]

ALREADY POSTED. :cmad:

You mad bro?

[Majik1387]

Well for instance, I would say the image in your avatar, no matter how cool it might look to us comic fans, would look ridiculous to a general audience. I just don't see why or how they could justify a black ops dude in a superhero outfit. He's not a superhero, he's the SHIELD military presence on the team. Like I said, thats not to say he can't have a customised or personalised shiled outfit, with a little purple or something, enough to set him apart, but to get his own, fully unique Hawkeye suit would be something thats hard to do, without a specific way to justify it. Like I said, all the other Avengers have had whole movies dedicated to justifying their appearance so an audience can accept them, but it would be harder to do so with Hawkeye. I'm not against him with a uniform, if they can make one look cool and practical i'm all for it, it's just that he could cross a fine line between bad ass and camp as all hell.
In those movies, only one has had most the movie justifying their appearance(Iron Man) because it retty much is the driving force of both his movies. I'll hold off on Cap and Thor until I see their movies, and I'd advise all to do the same. For all we know, they may barely have a 5 minute explanation. Black Widow while comic-accurate, isn't what a realistic spy would wear, but we suspend our disbelief because that's how we're used to her appearance.
As for Renner's comment, he said "and not a big purple, comics sort of thing." Granted, I'm not truly expecting a whole suit dipped in purple paint or something like that, but there is a way to have it look militaristic/black ops/Shield uniform look and still have it in a hue of purple without reminding people of Barney or Grimace.
Not to mention the fact he also said he thinks, nothing set in stone. Considering that part of the comment, I don't believe he even knows for sure what the costume concepts are.

[Aesop Rocks]

Charlie Day for Deadpool.

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, thats more or less what I can see happening Majick. Something similar to the Ultimates costume I guess, some kinda black swat type gear with Purple lining or whatever. Thats all he really needs.

[Majik1387]

No. Deadpool. Ever!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/mommiedearest.jpg

[Aesop Rocks]

:awesome:

[WillardNation]

Charlie Day for Deadpool.

Charlie Day for Bob: Agent of Hydra, maybe?

[Aesop Rocks]

Yes!!!!~~!!!`1```11111!!!!!

[WillardNation]

No. Deadpool. Ever!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/mommiedearest.jpg

:cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad::c mad:

[Wolvieboy17]

Am I missing something?

[Majik1387]

Am I missing something?
Possibly the suckiness of Deadpool or the reference to Mommie Dearest or both.

[Aesop Rocks]

:csad:

[Sawyer]

No. Deadpool. Ever!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/mommiedearest.jpg

You left out the part where Joan Crawford beats her daughter with the deadpools. :o

[Majik1387]

You left out the part where Joan Crawford beats her daughter with the deadpools. :o
Actually, it's an unrated scene and I didn't wanna get in trouble. :csad:

[Wolvieboy17]

Not sure about the first part, i've been a Deadpool fan for years.

[Majik1387]

Not sure about the first part, i've been a Deadpool fan for years.
You poor, poor soul. I shall pray for you. :csad:

[Wolvieboy17]

No need, this stack of fantastically written Deadpool comics dating from 1992-present are all the religion I need. :P

[Majik1387]

I shall still pray. Pray and weep.

[Wolvieboy17]

Yes, poor me. It's such a shame when people enjoy things. I wish I was like other people, bitter, cynical and whiny.

[Majik1387]

Why would you wanna be a Twilight girl? :huh:

[Wolvieboy17]

Team Wade

[Whiskey Tango]

Team Wade

chimichanga, chimichanga, chimichanga. :dpl::up:

[Jake Cassidy]

Yes, poor me. It's such a shame when people enjoy things. I wish I was like other people, bitter, cynical and whiny.

How dare you like something that others don't. How can you live with yourself?

[BoredGuy]

I could see Rob McElhenny (or however the hell you spell his name) for Deadpool if Reynolds had to drop out..

[Majik1387]

:dry:
No. Deadpool. Ever!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/mommiedearest.jpg



Avengers talk please.:csad:

[cryptic name]

Team Wade

internet high five.

[Spider-Vader]

Team Wade

1-800 Deadpoo!

[Whiskey Tango]

http://i53.tinypic.com/1zqztwn.jpg

[Majik1387]

Too much *****ty Deadpool; Not enough Avengers.

[HighFivingMF]

What do you guys think Jeremy Renner will eat for breakfast the first day of filming!?

[Aesop Rocks]

I hope it's something Clint would eat. It better be, if he's that dedicated to the character.

[HighFivingMF]

Kiwis and Reese's Cups it is then!

[Wolvieboy17]

Majick, you really disappoint me. I would accept, that in the wide infinte world of comic book characters, that there would be some characers that you like and I don't (and vice versa), but I wouldn't come out and call them '******' just because I don't like them. Surely, there is plenty of room for everyone to like anything.

I thought you were more objective and intelligent in your discussion than that. It just makes me lose respect and value your opinion a whole lot less, which is a shame.

[Crimson King]

What do you guys think Jeremy Renner will eat for breakfast the first day of filming!?

I hope it's Total.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Thanks to OMG Squee, here is a transcription of what Joss Whedon said about The Avengers at the recent Melbourne Writers' Festival:

Sue: So – in terms of coming up to the Avengers though – because – that’s not your script originally is it?

Joss: It is now. Yeah. There was a script, but I had a different take on it. And when they showed it to me I said “But this doesn’t work for me, I would do something different.” And they said, “Well tell us what you would do,” and now I’m doing it.

Sue: And they’re trust you to do that?

Joss: They do! They do, Marvel – they’re very trusting at Marvel. It’s kind of like, in the early days of the WB, when you know, I came back to my agent and said, it was really different, really interesting, they respected what I was talking about, they listened to me and they really let me have my own way – and yeah, they have no idea what I’m doing! Marvel they do actually know, they know exactly what they want to do, but they don’t mind a film maker making his film in the service of what it is they want to do, they’re not trying to press me into something that isn’t me, which is really gratifying.

Sue: [mentions again they'll be opening the floor for questions soon and in the process forgets her own question] Along the lines of, this is a great moment – finally you get to join up your comic book love and the possibility of making a film – don’t you think it’d be a great TV Series though.? – never mind! But, you get to make the film, so. Clearly that’s joining the dots in a particular kind of way.

Joss: Oh yes. Oh yes. I was reading the Avengers when I was eleven, this is…it’s a big deal for me. I’ve wanted to make a comic book movie, and I was like, “nobody can make a comic book movie”, and then Spider-Man came out and I was like “…ok, he can make a comic book movie!”. And you know, there’s been a couple of hits.

But most of them I think haven’t – and I also feel that we sort of, we went from the really terrible Hollywood executive’s idea of what a comic book movie should be, to a very short moment when we sort of started getting it right, and then went directly to post-modern. Directly to Watchmen, Kick Ass, Dark Knight, where we’re sort of, we’re taking the comic book movie for granted, now we want to see what’s behind it. I’m like “Whoa-whoa-whoa! Wait a minute!”. First I want to see an awesome movie about superheros that are awesome, that I really care about the whole time, I haven’t seen enough of those. I don’t want to deconstruct it yet! First I want to construct it. So I do feel like there’s still a place for me out there. Even though you know, the genre which I had been desperate to see my whole childhood, and then my adulthood saw it happen while I was busy making TV Shows so I was like, “no I’m not…just wait! Just wait! I’ll be there in a minute!”. And then began to fear, is it over? But ultimately I think it’s very much not.

[GhostPoet]

I have total faith in Joss that he'll make a true Avengers film. He's great at working with multiple characters AND he has a love for the series.

[Deaths Head II]

Thank god he changed Zak Penn's script. Him saying "this doesn't work for me" is probably a polite way of saying that he actually told them "what the **** is this ****?"

[Sawyer]

I’ve wanted to make a comic book movie, and I was like, “nobody can make a comic book movie”, and then Spider-Man came out and I was like “…ok, he can make a comic book movie!”. And you know, there’s been a couple of hits.

Or Superman. Or Batman. Or X-Men. :huh:

[TruerToTheCore]

Sue: So – in terms of coming up to the Avengers though – because – that’s not your script originally is it?

Joss: It is now. Yeah. There was a script, but I had a different take on it. And when they showed it to me I said “But this doesn’t work for me, I would do something different.” And they said, “Well tell us what you would do,” and now I’m doing it.

Ah, yeah. And if The Avengers will suck or / and flop he will blame it on the studio, like always.

[Majik1387]

Or Superman. Or Batman. Or X-Men. :huh:
He may not be a DC fan, and he possibly wasn't too big a fan of the X-Men movie.

[The Infernal]

Lol, I loved that part of Deadpool before they introduced Agent X. The crank calling Wolverine will always be my favourite bit.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Jon Favreau on last "Iron Man 2" scene with Fury
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTIcnkxKwtZyEhu9cQoLmgO1bu7-ZV935oUPr84e6WfU0t8v8g&t=1&usg=__mw1Pzal_s6nxIq155cc2ReMfZKg=
"Yeah, that's from "The Incredible Hulk" (news report on S.H.I.E.L.D monitor), which means it took place before "TIH".

If you look you see the the crater on the other monitor, that's the "Thor" thing. That's where the hammer was recovered. This is just a geek heaven here.

And if you think that anything on this monitors is not something we (in Marvel) didn't talk about for hours - you are crazy!

And if you look on that one, see there is a map up there, so... if you look at those maps, each one of those locations corresponds to something in the Marvel Universe. I'm not supposed to say that.

And if you look on each one, and I know what they mean, but I'm not gonna say it, but I'm gonna say this:

* Two of them relate to "The First Avenger: Captain America"
* One of them relates to "Thor"
* The one in Africa relates to Black Panther."

[RealIrOnMaN]

"Iron Man 2" - "The Avengers"

* According to S.H.I.E.L.D Vault report - War Machine is not on "The Avengers Initiative" program. Rhodes is signed only under "Project: Iron Man".
* Director Fury and agent Romanoff's (a.k.a Black Widow) current assignments are classified.
* Bruce Banner is still on the run.

[Crimson King]

"Iron Man 2" - "The Avengers"

* According to S.H.I.E.L.D Vault report - War Machine is not on "The Avengers Initiative" program. Rhodes is signed only under "Project: Iron Man".
* Director Fury and agent Romanoff's (a.k.a Black Widow) current assignments are classified.
* Bruce Banner is still on the run.

Man, I hope they don't push a "Rhodey vs. Stark" thing in the Avengers to see who gets to be Iron Man. There's too much other stuff going on. Just let Stark have it.

[Iron_Stark]

Man, I hope they don't push a "Rhodey vs. Stark" thing in the Avengers to see who gets to be Iron Man. There's too much other stuff going on. Just let Stark have it.

There is only one Iron Man, Tony Stark. Tony will be Iron Man in the Avengers.

Besides it would be a colossal failure of a movie if all RDJ did in the movie was just sit around doing nothing and not get in the suit. And that's not being arrogant or trying to put down any of the other actors, but it's the truth.

[Crimson King]

The meeting with Fury at the end of IM2 worried me the first time I saw it. It felt like they were giving RDJ an out if he didn't want much of a part in the Avengers. They had to phrase things the way they did on purpose. I don't think it was an accident or a slip. I just hope the "will he or won't he" thing won't be played up much, if at all.

[Aesop Rocks]

I think the entire reason War Machine was thrown into the mix was to show Iron Man he couldn't do it alone. Thus making him realize he needed the Avengers.

[Crimson King]

The "consultant" line bugged me. He needs to be an Avenger from the start.

[Brian Braddock]

Had no problem with it whatsoever as I saw the consulant line as a way of Fury keeping Tony's ego in check; he wants Tony to be involved but doesnt want him to think that they need him so much that he starts to think he can run the show.

Nothing to do with giving RDJ 'an out' from the Avengers for me - it was entirely plot driven; it was about making sure that Tony finds the humility and good grace to play well with others.

[Brian Braddock]

****ing hype servers playing up again (!)

DP.

[PumpkinBombxXx]

hey i havent checked in in awhile any one know if Hank Pym or The Wasp will be in it. They are Founding members and i know alot of people think they are lame but ive actually always ben a big fan. I was hopeing Hank would have poped up in Iron Man 2 but no luck. anywho just curious.
Nathan Fillion for Hank Pym, hes worked with Joss before so Hopefully he makes the cut. this of course is who i hope gets it but if its ben anounced please let me know

[PumpkinBombxXx]

regarding the consultant bit i think some $#!+ will go down and tony has to step in thus joining the team

[Crimson King]

hey i havent checked in in awhile any one know if Hank Pym or The Wasp will be in it. They are Founding members and i know alot of people think they are lame but ive actually always ben a big fan. I was hopeing Hank would have poped up in Iron Man 2 but no luck. anywho just curious.
Nathan Fillion for Hank Pym, hes worked with Joss before so Hopefully he makes the cut. this of course is who i hope gets it but if its ben anounced please let me know

No Ant Man or Wasp in the Avengers. Whedon confirmed it at Comic-Con.

[PumpkinBombxXx]

Thanx aeamek. lame news however. Guess they are saving those characters for Edger Wrights movie about the Scott Lang Antman.

[Parker Wayne]

Seriously, does anyone really think that Stark won't suit up in The Avengers? I'm surprised that some people are actually worried.

[Aesop Rocks]

He better suit up. Armor or not, dude always wears a suit.

[Parker Wayne]

He better suit up. Armor or not, dude always wears a suit.

:woot:

http://veryspecialepisode.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/barney_8091.jpg

Barney Stinson approves

[Brian Braddock]

Seriously, does anyone really think that Stark won't suit up in The Avengers? I'm surprised that some people are actually worried.

It does seem kinda strange - worrying over Iron Man not featuring in the 1st ever Avengers movie even though RDJ is one of the leads. :huh:

[Majik1387]

hey i havent checked in in awhile any one know if Hank Pym or The Wasp will be in it. They are Founding members and i know alot of people think they are lame but ive actually always ben a big fan. I was hopeing Hank would have poped up in Iron Man 2 but no luck. anywho just curious.
Nathan Fillion for Hank Pym, hes worked with Joss before so Hopefully he makes the cut. this of course is who i hope gets it but if its ben anounced please let me know
No Ant Man or Wasp in the Avengers. Whedon confirmed it at Comic-Con.
Well, Whedon is rewriting the script, but odds are most you'll see Pym related is a reference or at most cameos.
Seriously, does anyone really think that Stark won't suit up in The Avengers? I'm surprised that some people are actually worried.
It does seem kinda strange - worrying over Iron Man not featuring in the 1st ever Avengers movie even though RDJ is one of the leads. :huh:
Are people still reading that far into a minor comment from Iron Man 2? :huh:

[RealIrOnMaN]

According to Clark Gregg, "The Avengers"' shooting will start in March 2011: http://entertainment.msn.com/beacon/editorial10_poll.aspx?ptid=708527f9-d332-430d-b71f-ab21a69f68ff&wa=wsignin1.0

[Aesop Rocks]

I Thought it was February 2011?

[Crimson King]

I'm not worried that IM won't suit up, I'm worried that they'll make a big deal out of him not being a full-time member until the end. I want to see him suited from the beginning.

[Doctor Jones]

edit.

You killed it man!

[TheVileOne]

My worry is that we won't get to see all the big, epic, and grand things we would want to out of this movie because of budget or shooting limitations.

Take for instance the second Fantastic Four movie where the Fanastic Four didn't really do anything except for Human Torch getting everyone's powers at the end. They didn't even really try to fight the Surfer. When asked about would we get to see the Thing and Silver Surfer go at it, the actor says "No, but Ben and Johnny touch each other and exchange their powers, that's really funny!"

Or Incredible Hulk where the Hulk is still a pretty one dimensional character that doesn't really do or say much of anything.

Or in X-men 3 where we never actually see the Phoenix Force that was implied at the end of X2.

[Spider-Vader]

Maybe Disney will help out with money though? Doesn't every cent Marvel gets now go to Disney?

[Sawyer]

:woot:

http://veryspecialepisode.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/barney_8091.jpg

Barney Stinson approves

:awesome:

[Iron_Stark]

Had no problem with it whatsoever as I saw the consulant line as a way of Fury keeping Tony's ego in check; he wants Tony to be involved but doesnt want him to think that they need him so much that he starts to think he can run the show.

Nothing to do with giving RDJ 'an out' from the Avengers for me - it was entirely plot driven; it was about making sure that Tony finds the humility and good grace to play well with others.

This. :up:


I Thought it was February 2011?

:huh: I remember Hemsworth saying April 2011.



btw, your Bluto avatar rocks.

[Crimson King]

I think Hemsworth originally said January. Let's call it "early in the year" and go with that.

BB, that's a good point. I hadn't considered Fury saying it to keep him humble.

[Darkness Falls]

:woot:

http://veryspecialepisode.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/barney_8091.jpg

Barney Stinson approves

i litterally LOL'D :awesome:

[bert19]

"Torres, Cole, Gerrard, Meireles - the fatal four 2010/11"

I think you'll find that's "Drogba, Malouda, Lampard, Anelka" actually.......

Or will it be Cap, Bucky, Fury and Dum Dum?

[Brian Braddock]

^^^ Only if you're a Chelsea supporter.

[Wolvieboy17]

No, i'm pretty sure it's Feb 2011. There was a Hype article about it and everything. Marvel had a press release.

EDIT: Exhibit A :)

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/105479-the-avengers-to-start-filming-in-february

[bert19]

^^^ Only if you're a Chelsea supporter.

^It isn't too bad a time to be one of us :yay:

Given Whedon's comments on the script changes he made, are we any closer to finding out who/what the main villain will be?

[protocida]

In The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, aside from Ultron and Kang, Hydra appears to be the main antagonist, with Red Skull, Loki and the Leader as the main villains. I wonder if this is an glimpse of what they have planned for the movie: Red Skull (and therefore Hydra), Loki and the Leader (With Abomination by his side) teaming up to fight the Avengers.

[RealIrOnMaN]

In The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, aside from Ultron and Kang, Hydra appears to be the main antagonist, with Red Skull, Loki and the Leader as the main villains. I wonder if this is an glimpse of what they have planned for the movie: Red Skull (and therefore Hydra), Loki and the Leader (With Abomination by his side) teaming up to fight the Avengers.
I think it's possible + in TA: EMH Black Panther will be helping the team occasionally, so the recent Jon Favreau hint may take place in "The Avengers".

[Majik1387]

In The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, aside from Ultron and Kang, Hydra appears to be the main antagonist, with Red Skull, Loki and the Leader as the main villains. I wonder if this is an glimpse of what they have planned for the movie: Red Skull (and therefore Hydra), Loki and the Leader (With Abomination by his side) teaming up to fight the Avengers.

I think it's possible + in TA: EMH Black Panther will be helping the team occasionally, so the recent Jon Favreau hint may take place in "The Avengers".
Sounds amazing.:up:

[Crimson King]

Given Whedon's comments on the script changes he made, are we any closer to finding out who/what the main villain will be?

Not so much. He's being pretty tight-lipped about it, which makes me happy. The anticipation and guessing is most of the fun, no?

[Doctor Jones]

I'm looking forward to the Avengers cartoon show. My only fear is that they give Cap the Cyclops treatment and use as Iron Man as the leader, but other than that, it looks cool.

[Spider-Vader]

An official Black Panther announcement at next year's Comic Con would make so many people cream their pants.

[Deaths Head II]

I'm looking forward to the Avengers cartoon show. My only fear is that they give Cap the Cyclops treatment and use as Iron Man as the leader, but other than that, it looks cool.

I'm willing to bet that Cap's character arc over the course of the season will be gaining the role of leader. Cap had to earn his rank in the comics too. He was never the leader of the original team and when he became leader when the originals left, no one on the team respected him at all. It makes sense Tony would be the leader at the start since he's probably going to be the one funding the team and Cap still hasn't proven himself yet.

[TheVileOne]

Like it or not, in the comics, Iron Man was the team's founder. Cap did not join the team until later.

[Aesop Rocks]

Cap kind of didn't have an option. Mostly because he was, you know, frozen.

[TheVileOne]

It doesn't really matter. All it really means is that the new animated series is being more faithful to the comics. It's not a simple matter of IRON MAN IS MOST POPULAR AVENGER EVER WE HAVE TO PUSH HIM MORE!

[Aesop Rocks]

Actually, it does matter. but lol okay.

[Deaths Head II]

Cap kind of didn't have an option. Mostly because he was, you know, frozen.

And when he was unfrozen people considered him to be the weakest member at best and a useless old fossil at worst. No one wanted Cap as the leader in the original 60s comics until he proved them all wrong and earned the role so it's pretty faithful to the original stories.

[Crimson King]

When does this new Avengers series start? I can't believe I let it slip by my radar.

[Aesop Rocks]

And when he was unfrozen people considered him to be the weakest member at best and a useless old fossil at worst. No one wanted Cap as the leader in the original 60s comics until he proved them all wrong and earned the role so it's pretty faithful to the original stories.

Wait, so are you agreeing with me?

[Blackman]

If BP is in this I'll go nuts

But I think its better if he is his own solo film first

[Aesop Rocks]

Why would Beer Pong be in The Avengers? :cwink:

But no, Black Panther in the Avengers, even as a cameo = perma-:awesome: face.

[C. Lee]

If BP is in this I'll go nutsDid another well blow up?

[Deaths Head II]

Wait, so are you agreeing with me?

I don't know. Am I?

I'm confused.

[mclay18]

Maybe Disney will help out with money though? Doesn't every cent Marvel gets now go to Disney?

I don't know. Even though Disney owns Marvel, Marvel has its own deal with Paramount still intact. I don't know if the distribution deal Marvel has with Paramount Pictures includes a cap on production and P&A costs. Wouldn't there be any legal complications involved?

We shouldn't worry too much. Joss is a whiz at doing excellent stories within a set budget. He'll do fine if Marvel doesn't dictate certain story elements.

[TikkiEXX]

i think its a given Black Panther will show up eventually. just when and who will be playing him. i like either Djimon Hounsou (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005023/) , Peter Mensah (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0579795/) , or in a pinch Michael Jai White. mostly because of his martial arts skills. i think hed make a better Luke Cage honestly. or maybe Falcon.

[JeetKuneDo]

i think its a given Black Panther will show up eventually. just when and who will be playing him. i like either Djimon Hounsou (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005023/) , Peter Mensah (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0579795/) , or in a pinch Michael Jai White. mostly because of his martial arts skills. i think hed make a better Luke Cage honestly. or maybe Falcon.

My pick would be
Chiwetel Ejiofor

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n259/ibsolomongrundy/Celebrity%20Swirl/chiwetel_ejiofor.jpg

He also has a history with Whedon.

[bert19]

i think its a given Black Panther will show up eventually. just when and who will be playing him. i like either Djimon Hounsou (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005023/) , Peter Mensah (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0579795/) , or in a pinch Michael Jai White. mostly because of his martial arts skills. i think hed make a better Luke Cage honestly. or maybe Falcon.

I was sitting there last night thinking about who'd be a good Faclon.
And you've just hit the nail on the head.
Michael Jai White would be awesome playing Sam, certainly my choice - after seeing Black Dynamite however, the guy's talent deserves a major part, so Luke Cage or Black Panther would probably be better options for him (preferably the latter option).

[Crimson King]

Oh, man. Luke Cage just doesn't do it for me. I've never been a fan of that character. I'd much rather see a BP cameo than Cage.

[Stringer]

My pick would be
Chiwetel Ejiofor

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n259/ibsolomongrundy/Celebrity%20Swirl/chiwetel_ejiofor.jpg

He also has a history with Whedon.
He's the absolute best choice.

[Blackman]

My pick would be
Chiwetel Ejiofor

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n259/ibsolomongrundy/Celebrity%20Swirl/chiwetel_ejiofor.jpg

He also has a history with Whedon.
I agree

[TikkiEXX]

My pick would be
Chiwetel Ejiofor

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n259/ibsolomongrundy/Celebrity%20Swirl/chiwetel_ejiofor.jpg

He also has a history with Whedon.hell yeah. hes an awesome actor. i was about to list him too.

[Doctor Jones]

Thanks for the info guys. I forgot it was mentioned IM started as the leader in the comics. If they're going with that angle with Cap, then that's fine. I hope they do the same in the film.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Recently on IM2 DVD, Jon Favreau mentioned, that after a long and hard work on the sequel, he wants "The Avengers" to be like "Iron Man 3" to the franchise, rather than making a third movie. RDJ agreed with him on this part.

[Spider-Vader]

Marvel/Disney won't let that happen.

[Blackman]

I dont get how that would work?

I mean I do get how it would work but doesnt seem like a good idea

[RealIrOnMaN]

Marvel/Disney won't let that happen.
Sure thing, they won't. Just sayin)

[VenomVsSpidey]

Recently on IM2 DVD, Jon Favreau mentioned, that after a long and hard work on the sequel, he wants "The Avengers" to be like "Iron Man 3" to the franchise, rather than making a third movie. RDJ agreed with him on this part.

:dry::dry::dry:

I don't like that...

[JeetKuneDo]

Hmmm...Avengers to be IM3?

If it's all part of the same universe it could work. Also might be a good way to give the character a break and avoid the dreaded "3rd movie curse".

[VenomVsSpidey]

but what if the avengers sucks? :p

[Aesop Rocks]

Then it sucks, and everything Marvel as been doing for the past 5 years will be for nothing~

[VenomVsSpidey]

:csad:

[Deaths Head II]

Recently on IM2 DVD, Jon Favreau mentioned, that after a long and hard work on the sequel, he wants "The Avengers" to be like "Iron Man 3" to the franchise, rather than making a third movie. RDJ agreed with him on this part.

This kind of sends warning signals in my head that maybe Marvel kind of scared Jon and RDJ away with how they handled IM2...

[Aesop Rocks]

Nah, if Marvel scared RDJ away, he wouldn't have went to SDCC.

[Parker Wayne]

but what if the avengers sucks? :p

DON'T SAY THAT. DON'T STOP ON MY DREAMS!

*runs to a corner crying*

:oldrazz:

[VenomVsSpidey]

DON'T SAY THAT. DON'T STOP ON MY DREAMS!

*runs to a corner crying*

:oldrazz:



STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP
:awesome: :oldrazz::oldrazz:

[C. Lee]

Then it sucks, and everything Marvel as been doing for the past 5 years will be for nothing~

Maybe to you...to me, if we get one bad movie out of five...then it was worth FOUR good movies....that's not nothing to me.

[Parker Wayne]

STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP
:awesome: :oldrazz::oldrazz:

:cmad::cmad::cmad:








:oldrazz:

[VenomVsSpidey]

:funny:

[Iron_Stark]

Recently on IM2 DVD, Jon Favreau mentioned, that after a long and hard work on the sequel, he wants "The Avengers" to be like "Iron Man 3" to the franchise, rather than making a third movie. RDJ agreed with him on this part.

W.T.F. :cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad:

edit

Wait how long ago was the interview? Was it recent? Was this during the same press conference Feige had for the DVD/Blu ray release?

Because now that I think about it, before IM2 came out was even made, Jon was saying Avengers was going to be IM3, then he changed his tune during the promotion in May saying in a couple of interviews that he was coming back for IM3 and how Mandarin was going to be the villain.

RDJ was also talking about "coming back for a couple more of these Marvel movies" in interviews like Good Morning America.

Then there's talk about the studio wanting Emily Blunt for Iron Man 3.

[marcvader]

Hell no they better not make this a glorified IM3. If this movie is called the Avengers it had better be about the Avengers. I couldnt care less if there isn't an IM3. It would be nice but I've seen enough to hold me over. This movie needs to be about the team and not about IM leading them ala Wolverine and the X men.

[Gamma Goliath]

I'm glad favreau isn't directing this.

[Iron_Stark]

I doubt it will happen, no way would the studio let their biggest movie be Iron Man 3, or no way will the trilogy end or come to a close by having the Avengers vs the Ten Rings, something Iron Man can handle by himself. Or have the Iron Man movies end with nothing getting resolved with the Ten Rings or their leader the Mandarin.


I'm betting that was the old interview Jon did when he was saying IM3 was going to be the Avengers.

I looked for news on Iron Man 2 on the internet and all I see is the "Black Widow Spinoff movie" headlines, if they had said this recently I guarantee it would be a bigger story than the BW spinoff movie.

[marcvader]

At this point all the ten rings amounts to is a overhyped easter egg for the comic fans really. The GA is oblivious to its significance.

[Iron_Stark]

At this point all the ten rings amounts to is a overhyped easter egg for the comic fans really. The GA is oblivious to its significance.

Easter egg? they were the main baddies in the first movie.

Either way, I'm not buying it, and I doubt the studio will let it happen.

[Deaths Head II]

That's a good point about the Ten Rings. It would be super, super lame if they finished Iron Man without giving us the Mandarin. Or if they got someone else besides Jon and RDJ to do it.

[Chris B]

I can't say enough how disappointed I'd be if Avengers served as IM3 instead of an actual solo IM film. Frankly, I think IM3 has the potential to break the third movie curse since Favreau and co. didn't blow their load with IM2. Base the story of the 'Armor Wars' with the Mandarin as the main villain and we have ourselves a kickass film.

[Denny67]

It makes sense.

Iron Man has had 2 very successful and well received films. Using Tony, along with his ongoing relationship with S.H.I.E.L.D., knowledge of “Project Avenger,” with the Hulk, Cap and Thor teasers, and the fact that in story Tony is the financial benefactor of the Avengers. They have already established Iron Man/Tony Stark as the Avengers hub both in plot and edifice. He is the common thread.

I fail to see why this is a big deal. Better to expand upon success in something established rather reinvent the wheel with every film.

Complaints against continuity? Now that is a new one.

[Wolvieboy17]

Tsk tsk. Fanboys getting all up in a tizzy based on one tiny little sentence.

[dark_b]

Nah, if Marvel scared RDJ away, he wouldn't have went to SDCC.he got a huge paycheck for IM2 and he will get the biggest paycheck for Avengers.

this is a buisness and RDJ is working. he was not at SDCC because he loves the fanboys.

[Whiskey Tango]

Tsk tsk. Fanboys getting all up in a tizzy based on one tiny little sentence.

In other news, the wheel is round.

[Crimson King]

Sometimes I think they say these things just so we don't get bored on forums.

[chiefchirpa]

I hope they don't go IM3 in Avengers where IM is the focal point of everything, though I don't like if they still do the "Cap & his merry friends" crap like they do in old Avengers stories. Let Cap be the charismatic leader, Thor the ultimate heavy hitter, IM the think master, and Hulk the loveable giant. You don't call it the Avengers if it's just about one character but it should be a great ensemble.

[HighFivingMF]

In other news, the wheel is round.
Source or it didn't happen.

[Crimson King]

I don't think Whedon would center it on IM only. This was probably wishful thinking on Fav and RDJ's part.

[Wolvieboy17]

Okay, again, that whole freaking sentence is getting blown out of porportion. He clearly just means that Starks character will get the resolution that is left hanging at the end of IM 2. Considering that Tony Stark owes a great deal regarding the man and hero he becomes, on Captain America, I think thats a perfectly acceptable place for his character to end up, in fact i'd be very disappointed if that didn't happen. It certainly seems like thats what they're leading up to.

[Ken-Kaniff]

I was sceptic about this movie, but hey, RDJ is in it, so I cant say Im not interested! And also Scarlett Johansson and I must say the rest of the cast is very cool as well! I will definetly look forward to this and hope that they wont blow it!:)

The reason I wasnt a fan of The Avengers is because Im not too keen on many of the heroes in it. I was never a fan of Wasp nor Ant Man, nor Hawkeye or Hulk either! Not even Thor to be honest. I wish the original Avengers team would have at least included Spider-Man and/or Deadpool aswell! It would have been a fun ride for sure if they would have been in this upcoming Avengers movie at least!;)

[chiefchirpa]

I don't Tony Stark should owe it to Steve Rogers. Tony may look for heroic direction from Steve, but Tony's brand of heroism is his own. Steve's heroism is always been tangible & tactical, Stark is more esoteric & strategic.

[Iron_Stark]

Okay, again, that whole freaking sentence is getting blown out of porportion. He clearly just means that Starks character will get the resolution that is left hanging at the end of IM 2. Considering that Tony Stark owes a great deal regarding the man and hero he becomes, on Captain America, I think thats a perfectly acceptable place for his character to end up, in fact i'd be very disappointed if that didn't happen. It certainly seems like thats what they're leading up to.

Prepare to be disappointed, Tony doesn't owe jack to Captain America. The only thing they were leading up to was if Tony was able to deal with joining a team. That was what was left hanging at the end of IM2.

But yes this sentence is getting blown out of proportion, Tony's story isn't going to end with the Avengers and this isn't going to be Iron Man and his Amazing Friends.

[VenomVsSpidey]

I wish the original Avengers team would have at least included Spider-Man and/or Deadpool aswell! It would have been a fun ride for sure if they would have been in this upcoming Avengers movie at least!;)

Spider-Man was an Avenger at one point...but are you really wishing DEADPOOL was an avenger? :doh:

[FaT_tONle]

I think the writing is on the wall the Favs is planning the exit strategy from Marvel and they will pick up another yes man for IM3.

[C. Lee]

I think the writing is on the wall the Favs is planning the exit strategy from Marvel and they will pick up another yes man for IM3.

Mr Gloom and Doom is still alive.

[Majik1387]

I think you all are reading too far in the Avengers being IM3 comment. The way I read it is that the Avengers is kind of a part 3 of Iron Man's story, and then the Iron Man 3 movie would be the part 4 of his story. Kind of like how in comics stories are interconnected and they put in a little box "Refer to 'name of comic' Issue #"; only, this is their way of trying to do that in the movies.

[Brian Braddock]

I think the writing is on the wall the Favs is planning the exit strategy from Marvel and they will pick up another yes man for IM3.

'Another' yes man? Just who was the 1st one?

Please don't say Brett Ratner on X-3 because you and I both know that's an entirely different kettle of fish althogether (FOX) and Marvel arent accountable for that disaster.

Speaking of which, you never have anything good to say about Marvel, do you? It's always about how they are screwing up or screwing someone etc. I'm waiting for you to start on about how Marvel are lowballing everyone again. :whatever:

[marvelrobbins]

Any one who thinks Joss Whedon Is a yes man for Marvel know nothing about him.

Now I could see Marvel putting the kubish on Iron Man 3 so Robert DOwney JR could fullfill his contract with an Avengers Sequel.

[Tony Stark]

If there's a great script for IM3, then do IM3. Otherwise, I'm fine if they want to play out IM in the Avengers from here on out.

And despite the reaction some might have, I do think that Avengers will be IM centric. Sorry but Downey is the only bankable commodity, until others prove otherwise (although with "The Town", I think Jeremy Renner is on a fast track to be the next big young star in Hollywood).

I'm not worried, although Wheadon hasn't had much chance to work on the big screen, he is a damn good story teller, and he knows how to work an ensemble cast.

Now everyone sit back relax and get their panties unwound.

[Spider-Vader]

Spider-Man was an Avenger at one point...but are you really wishing DEADPOOL was an avenger? :doh:

Especially since Deadpool wasn't created until twenty some years after the Avengers first assembled.

[Majik1387]

If there's a great script for IM3, then do IM3. Otherwise, I'm fine if they want to play out IM in the Avengers from here on out.

And despite the reaction some might have, I do think that Avengers will be IM centric. Sorry but Downey is the only bankable commodity, until others prove otherwise (although with "The Town", I think Jeremy Renner is on a fast track to be the next big young star in Hollywood).

I'm not worried, although Wheadon hasn't had much chance to work on the big screen, he is a damn good story teller, and he knows how to work an ensemble cast.

Now everyone sit back relax and get their panties unwound.
Renner isn't a young star.


And again, too much Deadpool talk going on.

[Whiskey Tango]

http://i51.tinypic.com/28ver8i.jpg

[TheVileOne]

In a way I see what they are getting at. Avengers is a sequel of sorts to Iron Man 2. Iron Man 2 does lead into and build up the eventual Avengers movie.

To me that is not definitively that we will never see an Iron Man 3.

But think about it guys we have to get all these movies out of the way now before we can talk about another Iron Man.

Now we know with the Disney factor there more Iron Man films will get made no matter what. I say stop worrying about it for now.

[Iron_Stark]

I think you all are reading too far in the Avengers being IM3 comment. The way I read it is that the Avengers is kind of a part 3 of Iron Man's story, and then the Iron Man 3 movie would be the part 4 of his story. Kind of like how in comics stories are interconnected and they put in a little box "Refer to 'name of comic' Issue #"; only, this is their way of trying to do that in the movies.

Well that's a good way to look at it. The eventual IM3 will be story #4 for Iron Man.

I'm not worried about anything anymore, especially when I remember the many times Jon kept talking about putting Mandarin in the third.

[Dark Raven]

I see the Avengers more as Iron Man 2.5 than Iron Man 3. I don't think Avengers excludes the possibility of the third Iron Man flick, anymore than the Avengers comics that crossed over with other storylines excluded the next issue of Iron Man. Avengers is more like a bonus story or encore that we get in addition to Iron Man 3.

[Wolvieboy17]

Prepare to be disappointed, Tony doesn't owe jack to Captain America. The only thing they were leading up to was if Tony was able to deal with joining a team. That was what was left hanging at the end of IM2.

But yes this sentence is getting blown out of proportion, Tony's story isn't going to end with the Avengers and this isn't going to be Iron Man and his Amazing Friends.

Well Tony being able to deal with joining a team is exactly what Cap helps him with... Their relationship in the comics was crucial to Starks development as a character, and we've already heard from Whedon that their relationship in the film will be very much like Spock and Kirk from the latest Star Trek film.... So I don't know how you can say i'm going to be disappointed.

And they left Starks whole character resolution hanging. Sure he healed himself, but he still had a lot more growing to do as a character, and i'll bet you anything that he gains that growth thanks to the leadership of Captain America.

[Doctor Jones]

Well Tony being able to deal with joining a team is exactly what Cap helps him with... Their relationship in the comics was crucial to Starks development as a character, and we've already heard from Whedon that their relationship in the film will be very much like Spock and Kirk from the latest Star Trek film.... So I don't know how you can say i'm going to be disappointed.

And they left Starks whole character resolution hanging. Sure he healed himself, but he still had a lot more growing to do as a character, and i'll bet you anything that he gains that growth thanks to the leadership of Captain America.

I hope all of what you said happens. :awesome:

[VenomVsSpidey]

Especially since Deadpool wasn't created until twenty some years after the Avengers first assembled.

this. :up:

I love Ole Pooly, but an avenger he is not, and should not be.

[FaT_tONle]

'Another' yes man? Just who was the 1st one?

Please don't say Brett Ratner on X-3 because you and I both know that's an entirely different kettle of fish althogether (FOX) and Marvel arent accountable for that disaster.

Speaking of which, you never have anything good to say about Marvel, do you? It's always about how they are screwing up or screwing someone etc. I'm waiting for you to start on about how Marvel are lowballing everyone again. :whatever:

They can prove me wrong in 2011... as of now, they are dead to me. But seriously, I liked IM2 so I still have some faith. Like what I am seeing with Thor... standing on my **** hairs over the ledge with Cap though.

[Son of Coul]

I can see Avengers being the third part of Iron Man's story in the same way it's the second part of Thor, Cap, and Hulk's stories. But Feige himself specifically said it's the start of a new franchise, it's not Iron Man 3, Cap 2, Thor 2 or Hulk 2. It's Avengers #1. And I like to think he has more control over that than Favreau. Anyway, it's just an offhand comment about a creative decision (albeit one I disagree with), not some cryptic "exit strategy," guys.

Anyways, I just realized something recently that excited me. I never thought of Avengers actually being great, just a decent movie that would be incredibly fun to see purely for the characters together on screen. But now with Whedon working on it and talking about it, it just occurred to me that this movie could actually be good, too! Which is nothing short of amazing.

[LuisTX85]

In a news update,http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/107743-mark-ruffalo-to-actually-play-the-hulk.

Very interesting!

[Crimson King]

Doing a mo-cap Hulk is interesting. I'm sure it'll make the animations better (thank god) but I'm not sure how he'll pull some of that stuff off. Maybe they'll give him some toy dolls and trucks to throw around.

[Spider-Vader]

Hrm... That'll be interesting to see how Ruffalo portrays Hulk's movements.

[TikkiEXX]

thats pretty cool news. i know Ang Lee did mo cap in the first Hulk but that was a long time ago. that Avatar tech should make a noticible difference hopefully

[RealIrOnMaN]

SFX: Joss Whedon talks about "The Avengers":
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTukkQ1HLziZ-tdURKhDFpQBAJWid4aj5F-lzXh2gtEFj8d8fI&t=1&usg=__QWFqJq1gimgqQqaSKNZEEUuBu3w=
In late July, the long-swirling rumour that Joss Whedon was writing and directing Marvel Studios’ colossal, perfect storm of superhero movies, The Avengers, was finally confirmed at Comic-Con. Joss admits he’s been on the project for some time with Marvel boss Kevin Feige, as well as re-writing Captain America (currently in front of the cameras with Chris Evans filling the blue Spandex), and figuring out how to merge four superhero franchises into one cohesive film.

Daunting, much? Whedon would say tiring is more like it, but his voice lights up with passion as soon as he talking about the project in the SFX Worlds Of Whedon special. “I’m feeling that everything that I have done before has prepared me for this, besides the fact that I’ve been reading The Avengers since I was 11.”

But Whedon fanboys are already chattering that the sheer magnitude of the endeavour won’t allow him to do what he does best, which is tell character stories. The man himself disagrees: “There are definitely stipulations and restrictions, but Kevin Feige is very active as a producer and worked with me a lot on the story, but they are absolutely honouring the fact that this is my film. What I kind of think ultimately defines Marvel Studios was the first thing they did and that was cast Robert Downey Jr.

They said, ‘What if we got great actors and let them have some time to be the people they’re supposed to be instead of going through the paces of hitting this mark and that mark?’

They don’t always 
get it right, but nobody does. But if 
you look at who they already had, and who they allowed me to add to the cast, they are thinking about the integrity of the characters. Obviously we have to get from point A to point B, and fans really want to see this – and ideas for set-pieces which I said are great. Now I’m going to make them matter and they are completely on board with the idea.”

In the outlining phase of scripting, Whedon admits it’s “been a bear and I’m still doing it because it’s finding out how to introduce people to all of these people in this world.” He mocks his predicament: “’By the way, there’s a thunder god. You guys are cool, right? This guy is big and green and this character wears an American flag. It’s all good, right? It’s totally real world.’ Finding the tone and plots that are coherent is what I go to bed thinking about and wake up thinking about, but it’s doable.

“What I will struggle with, in the outline and throughout, is that I would like to put these actors in a room and just make Glengarry Glen Ross,” he laughs. “We’re talking about really exciting people and at the same time I have to keep the momentum of the thing going. I can’t let it turn into a lull fest. Knowing that I have enough time to do both of those things – that by the end of the movie you will feel ‘in’ with these guys – is the trick.

It’s not an easy one but one that Marvel absolutely honours. They don’t hire Mark Ruffalo [the new Hulk] to say one iconic line and strike a pose. They hire him because he has so much humanity in him.

He’s the antithesis of the iconic actor. He’s so human. He was my first choice to play the part, and the fact he is playing the part is nuts! They went to great lengths to make that happen and they understood exactly why he was right for the part.”

[Doctor Jones]

Awesome to hear. This is all great stuff.

[Gamma Goliath]

I'm so ready for this to happen.

[marcvader]

I hope we get a wideshot with all our heroes fighting a common foe.

[LuisTX85]

Wonderful read!

[Mercurius]

Awesome to hear. This is all great stuff.

In the outlining phase of scripting, Whedon admits it’s “been a bear and I’m still doing it because it’s finding out how to introduce people to all of these people in this world.” He mocks his predicament: “’By the way, there’s a thunder god. You guys are cool, right? This guy is big and green and this character wears an American flag. It’s all good, right? It’s totally real world.’ Finding the tone and plots that are coherent is what I go to bed thinking about and wake up thinking about, but it’s doable.

I second Doc's words, and the excerpt above also makes me think: how completely different is the attitude towards superhero movies, now.

When the X-Men were the first well-succeeded franchise of this new wave of superhero stuff, it was the contrary: how to take the stories, keep its "core" and drop everything else?

Now it's so good to read Whedon say that one of the guys wears an American flag and it's doable.

[Crimson King]

I hope we get a wideshot with all our heroes fighting a common foe.

^this

[Antonello Blueberry]

Morena Baccarin researching Wasp comics?
http://www.mania.com/researching-wasp_article_125384.html

[Crimson King]

Morena Baccarin researching Wasp comics?
http://www.mania.com/researching-wasp_article_125384.html

That would make sense due to their previous working relationship but this almost seems too good to be true. I think we have some fan-made news here.

[Mercurius]

Morena Baccarin researching Wasp comics?
http://www.mania.com/researching-wasp_article_125384.html

It would really be great news, and it's a much better rumour than the Longoria one, IMO.

[Blackman]

I doubt Wasp and/or Ant Man showing up in the first Avengers. Or at least I hope not

With:
-the intro of Hawkeye and maybe the other female character*
-Giving 4 HUGE heroes adequate screentime/stories
-Giving the SHIELD agents something to do

I think Wasp/Hank would be too much to tackle in the first film. ANd to me there powers would distract from the action


*I'm betting it's Sharon Carter.

[Parker Wayne]

That would make sense due to their previous working relationship but this almost seems too good to be true. I think we have some fan-made news here.

This.

[Crimson King]

The only way Wasp and Ant-Man could work in Avengers 1 is if their characters are S.H.I.E.L.D. scientists that don't have their powers yet (or they're not shown). Giving their powers screen time would take too much away from the big 4.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Exactly. They may introduce Hank and Janet without powers in the Avengers movie.
Hopefully the actor portraying Hank will be decided by both Whedon and Wright.

[HUMANIMAL]

well there will be the hunting for the hulk and the hunting for the supersoldier serum and supesoldierprogramm to recreat it after cap is unfrozen.

plus the main threat like the army and the government and the main baddie who is not anounced yet...
shield will deal with them and the avengers will fight the ...other baddie.

there will be some sub plots like the relation ship between hawkeye and blackwidow and the relations between all the avengers throughout the film.

i can definitely see a scene in a laboratorium where it says ...this is hank working on a so called shrinking laser device or something like that...but only as an easter egg. i think main plot will be the assembling of all the avengers plus the hulk which is need to be get caught and also liberate by the forces who want to control him. i mean make him work for the good side.

all possible to handle...

[Crimson King]

I hope Whedon goes through with his "Avengers sitting around the dinner table" idea. I know he made the comment in passing, but I think it could be a cool scene.

[PumpkinBombxXx]

Yeah the dinner table scene would be cool. I always thought it was stuff like that that seperated marvel from DC. I love both publishers and when i think of iconic super heroes i think DC but when i think of real world Super heroes then i think marvel

[Doctor Jones]

That gives me the idea that I'd love to see a Last Supper Avengers kind of thing. Not with the superheroes in costume, but all of them as regular selves. It could kind of be comedic if you saw Hulk sitting at the table and Iron Man with no expression getting pissed off.

[Parker Wayne]

That gives me the idea that I'd love to see a Last Supper Avengers kind of thing. Not with the superheroes in costume, but all of them as regular selves. It could kind of be comedic if you saw Hulk sitting at the table and Iron Man with no expression getting pissed off.

That would tough for an artist to do but at the same time it would be pretty awesome.

[Gunga Diner]

I would love go see the avengers having a dinner scene. and talking with whedon dialog. I hope morena baccarrin is in it. Oh god that would be happy.

[Gunga Diner]

Fingers crossed they get David Newman to score it. The guy is brilliant but he rarely gets good movies. So he would be affordable. But his scores are so nuanced and distinct and involving and the melodies are all strong
and I love the way he uses brass as percussion

[Doctor Jones]

That would tough for an artist to do but at the same time it would be pretty awesome.

Oh, yeah and even tougher to figure out where everyone would go and what meaning it would have behind it. But the outcome would be great.

[misjuevos]

Morena baccarin might be wasp!

[Aesop Rocks]

Eh. I can think of a few better actresses than her, but I'm not complaining.

[JeetKuneDo]

Eh. I can think of a few better actresses than her, but I'm not complaining.

I somehow can't think of anyone better....


...it must be because she is really, really, really good-looking.

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[misjuevos]

just saying i was really posting alot of "alan tudyk and baccarin as antman and wasp" ,then to hear that she is doing research and might be cast in avengers, really made my day. so even if it isn't true it still was a brief moment of joy.
so now if i hear tudyk is researching antman and ejiofor is researching black panther then im really gonna be even more pumped for avengers.

[JeetKuneDo]

ejiofor is researching black panther then im really gonna be even more pumped for avengers.

I'm waiting for that news every single day! Please, please, please cast this brilliant man as Black Panther!!

[Sebastos]

just saying i was really posting alot of "alan tudyk and baccarin as antman and wasp" ,then to hear that she is doing research and might be cast in avengers, really made my day. so even if it isn't true it still was a brief moment of joy.
so now if i hear tudyk is researching antman and ejiofor is researching black panther then im really gonna be even more pumped for avengers.

I think Tudyk would be a good choice for Vision.

[misjuevos]

I'm waiting for that news every single day! Please, please, please cast this brilliant man as Black Panther!!

he was great in serenity and between his fight scenes in that and jiu jitsu shown in redbelt i'm sure he could pull off black panther.

[Majik1387]

Baccarin.:down

Just as bad as the Longoria rumor

[Crimson King]

Oh, man. I disagree. She has the perfect pixie look.

[Majik1387]

It's her weak acting and incapability of action scenes that I don't like her; Though the latter probly doesn't matter much with Wasp.

[marcvader]

You know, honestly, I couldn't care.less who they cast.

[Crimson King]

Maybe Meryl Streep then?

[Majik1387]

:whatever:

[Crimson King]

Okay, fine. Dame Judi Dench.

[Majik1387]

Get back to me when you're done being juvenile.

[Crimson King]

Superhero threads are serious business.

[HighFivingMF]

Let's cast nobody as Wasp.

[Crimson King]

I can get behind that.

[Son of Coul]

Get back to me when you're done being juvenile.
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[Majik1387]

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:huh:

[HighFivingMF]

Is anyone REALLY interested in seeing Wasp in the movies? I mean, for any reason other than "ALL THE CHARACTERS SHOULD BE IN THE MOVIES!!!!!"

[Iceman]

Personally, not for any other reason, no (as a major character at least). As a minor character sure.

[C. Lee]

Is anyone REALLY interested in seeing Wasp in the movies? I mean, for any reason other than "ALL THE CHARACTERS SHOULD BE IN THE MOVIES!!!!!"

I am. As the father of a daughter who is becoming very interested in comic book characters, and seeing her get a kick out of seeing "girls" being superheroes....I think the more female superheroes in the movies the better.

[Blackman]

female superheroes are good to have, but to me Wasp is kind of at the bottom of the pit

[Crimson King]

I don't have anything against her, I just think the current cast is bordering on being too big. Adding another would just bring it down.

[C. Lee]

female superheroes are good to have, but to me Wasp is kind of at the bottom of the pit

Maybe to you she is. But think about the new fans of comics especially the female ones. To have a "girl" in costume who can make herself little and fly around knocking down adults....it's a kids idea of heaven. She doesn't have to be the center of attention for the movie...just do what I said a couple of times....it won't ruin the movie for us big tough guys...and it will be a big thing for some other fans.

[JeetKuneDo]

I am. As the father of a daughter who is becoming very interested in comic book characters, and seeing her get a kick out of seeing "girls" being superheroes....I think the more female superheroes in the movies the better.

We may be living in a great era for female fans of super heroes. My two favorite fight scenes this year feature female heroes. (Black Widow and Hit Girl)

Then we've had "The Bride" from the Kill Bill movies, River from Serenity, Mystique from X-Men, Buffy, ect.

What do you think?

[Brian Braddock]

I'd just get a kick out of seeing any of the female Avengers in cinematic form to be honest. I wanna see all the heroes that I've grown up with get their time up on the silver screen be it man, woman or android.

Although, if I had to choose - I'd lean towards She-Hulk or Ms Marvel in terms of preference.

[C. Lee]

We may be living in a great era for female fans of super heroes. My two favorite fight scenes this year feature female heroes. (Black Widow and Hit Girl)

Then we've had "The Bride" from the Kill Bill movies, River from Serenity, Mystique from X-Men, Buffy, ect.

What do you think?

My daughter is too young to watch several of the things you listed...but I agree that it is a good time for female heroes. I'm just saying that there need to be more female superheros that kids can watch (that doesn't mean G rated....but "The Bride" and HIT GIRL are too far in the other direction).

[Dark Raven]

Is anyone REALLY interested in seeing Wasp in the movies? I mean, for any reason other than "ALL THE CHARACTERS SHOULD BE IN THE MOVIES!!!!!"

I am. Not just for seeing all the characters but as a character in her own right. She was the leader of the Avengers at times too. She is the fashionista of the group, the socialite and brings an element of girly fun. I can't see Black Widow fulfilling that role. She's the equivalent of the female Tony Stark. We need a fun girl on the team, and at the moment we don't. If anyone would have Joss Whedon's quirky dialogue, it would be her. I don't understand why he wouldn't want to include her since he likes female characters and it would be his chance to have his Whedonisms in her.

[terry78]

I just want to see Morena's fine behind on the big screen again since Serenity. Do it, Whedon.

[Jake Cassidy]

^ Yeah. I love Morena. :woot:

[Deaths Head II]

It would be funny if all the Wasp rumors were actually for the Ant Man movie.

That would actually be a good thing in my eyes because I want some news about that movie already.

[BizarroAids]

I like Wasp as a character. But I feel like she would just be over-shadowed by the other heroes in this movie. (No pun intended)

Let's get these guys working like a team first before we start adding more heroes to the roster.

[Iceman]

It would be funny if all the Wasp rumors were actually for the Ant Man movie.

That would actually be a good thing in my eyes because I want some news about that movie already.The Ant Man movie would be a much better fit for her to have a big role. Avengers already has more than enough characters who NEED a LOT of screen time to be adding others. They can add many smaller roles (or even more significant background roles like Hawkeye & Black Widow), just nothing to compete with Cap, Thor, IM & Hulk.

[GhostPoet]

So, i'm likely wrong...but I kind of suspect that there won't be a Savage Land film...infact, I think PART of The Avengers will actually take place IN the Savage Land. It's just a guess...we do see a glimpse of a map of Savage Land and it could be just a fan nod...but then again it's possible it's more than that.

[Blackman]

Sharon Carter and Ms. Marvel would be better female members IMO

[Dark Raven]

Sharon Carter is better as a SHIELD agent. She was never an Avenger, and I don't see that she should usurp the place of other actual female Avengers that many would want to see on film.

[Danalys]

if they introduce ms marvel before captain marvel or even infact never introduce captain marvel, then she can seem like the main female marvel heroine. they have tried to give her a larger push in the comics as part of the avengers and having a solo series, in recent years.

[Matt Mortem]

Sharon Carter is better as a SHIELD agent. She was never an Avenger, and I don't see that she should usurp the place of other actual female Avengers that many would want to see on film.

agreed. I'd rather a full blown Avenger take up a female spot

[marcvader]

if they introduce ms marvel before captain marvel or even infact never introduce captain marvel, then she can seem like the main female marvel heroine. they have tried to give her a larger push in the comics as part of the avengers and having a solo series, in recent years.

Don't even talk that way. Mar Vell is Marvel's first galactic hero and should be treated with respect.:cmad:

[PyroChamber]

I just want to see Morena's fine behind on the big screen again since Serenity. Do it, Whedon.If anything, I imagine Morena being Maria Hill.

[TikkiEXX]

If anything, I imagine Morena being Maria Hill.
ding ding ding. we have a winner! shed be an awesome Maria Hill

[Chewy]

Is anyone REALLY interested in seeing Wasp in the movies? I mean, for any reason other than "ALL THE CHARACTERS SHOULD BE IN THE MOVIES!!!!!"
Yes?

[BizarroAids]

Sharon Carter and Ms. Marvel would be better female members IMO

Sharon should be in it for a modern girlfriend for Steve. Like she is in the comics. I'd love to have Ms. Marvel, but I honestly believe she needs a solo movie first to explain her powers and past. She would need to be fully flushed out as a character and I don't feel she would get that properly in an Avengers movie.

If we get Black Widow this movie, and they want to add a different female member in the 2nd movie. They need to have Black Widow away on some other mission, and not necessarily have her on screen. Simple way to do that using dialoge. ("Oh she's in Russia on a Mission") That way it's not all crammed with heroes.

[Dark Raven]

If Black Widow is getting her own movie, why not reduce her role in The Avengers and have someone else in there instead like Wasp? Wasp will never get her own movie (and she shouldn't but should be in the Ant-Man movie) but Black Widow is entirely suitable for something like this.