The Avengers: News and Speculation

[Chewy]

August isn't a very good time to open big blockbusters like this. I don't think there's ever been an August film that grossed $300M (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)

Independence Day weekend is a possibility, though I'm not sure they would want their legs chopped off by HP like that.

[GL's Light]

How do you know that ChewySpider? Have you read the contract?
When the contract was first signed it was reported that the terms included stipulations that all of the films had to be PG-13 and they all had to be released in the summer. But, as has been pointed out, contracts can of course be amended.

[GL's Light]

I don't think there's ever been an August film that grossed $300M (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)
You're right. The Sixth Sense is the highest grossing August release ever at $293 million domestic.

[CaptainStacy]

The Avengers has no choice but to move, the last harry potter movie be a huge event ala the last star wars movie.

Agreed.

[mclay18]

Plus, The Avengers isn't that far along in production; Zak Penn could still be working on the script for all we know. There's no shooting script, there's no director, only two stars attached, a set filming location and Favreau as executive producer.

HP 7.2 is being shot concurrently with the first part as we speak -- a locked in cast and crew in addition to a finished script. By the time TA probably starts filming, DH pts. 1 and 2 will be close to finishing shooting or in post. There's more incentive for Paramount and Marvel to push TA before HP 7.2 -- bank on following up Captain America in June 2011 or push it back to July 2012 to allow for more time.

[cerealkiller182]

The reason why August sucks box office wise is usually because thats a dumping ground for studios. I think if you have a big budget high quality flick and drop it in August you'll steal viewers from the usual crap. It wont be the same as may or june though

[Chewy]

I would hope that Marvel has dumped Zak Penn by now.

And I think we're either going to see a last weekend in June/first weekend in July release or a winter release. Early/mid June doesn't suit a film of this scale.

[Spider-Vader]

I have a feeling since Nolan is doing that other movie we won't see BM3 until 2012 so it'll be HP 7.2 vs. Avengers.

With a mini battle of Spidey 4 vs Cap.

[Armored Avenger]

A winter release for Avengers, perhaps? :D

In the summer Avengers will be up against Harry Potter, in the winter it will be up against The Hobbit.

[Spider-Vader]

I think it has a better chance against the Hobbit.

[FaT_tONle]

When the hell did HP 8 make a move???? I thought they were going Memorial Day weekend??? Now I am assuming SM4 will take Memorial Day... as for HP 8... you absolutely can not give in to that franchise... WB will fold and go to June.... you guys realize if they delay Avengers they will have to face BB3 the following summer if that gets delayed as well... I mean we don't know if BB3 is 2012 yet but if it is... you want to take the advantage of getting Avengers out by 2011 to avoid BB3. WB will fold though... they have released Potter films in June in the past... or they will sandwich it on July 8th.

[mclay18]

When the hell did HP 8 make a move???? I thought they were going Memorial Day weekend??? Now I am assuming SM4 will take Memorial Day... as for HP 8... you absolutely can not give in to that franchise... WB will fold and go to June.... you guys realize if they delay Avengers they will have to face BB3 the following summer if that gets delayed as well... I mean we don't know if BB3 is 2012 yet but if it is... you want to take the advantage of getting Avengers out by 2011 to avoid BB3. WB will fold though... they have released Potter films in June in the past... or they will sandwich it on July 8th.

Let's face it, a lot of WB properties are revving to go -- GL and JH are further along than Captain America, TA or even BB3. If anything, Marvel will be the ones to move, not WB since they're actually filming. (And if WB pushes HP8 back to say, November, fans will riot even more than they did when HP6 was pushed back.)

Although it'd be sweet to see BB3 in 2011, I think a more realistic date will be July 2012. Space out all that comic-book goodness in 2-3 years.

[WeaponXProject]

I would really like something around Independence day but it seems unlikely. Late July is fine with me. Well, it depends if Spidey 4 gets pushed back like people think.

[FaT_tONle]

JH is not a summer tentpole superhero film IMO... GL is Holiday 2010. Inception worries me a bit, but Thor should do good regardless as long as it is good. As for 2011... I see two dates for Spidey. They can take Memorial Day 2011 like I said (as we have grown accustomed to seeing those fourth installments that weekend), which would be three weeks after Cap... or SM4 can go last week of June or the Wed before July 1st... similar to SM2's release. Those dates make the most sense to me. Mid June would not bode well. I think Potter can still do GREAT mid-June... but WB will be pushing for a July release. Let's keep in mind, 2007 Potter was released ahead of Transformers in July (about a week after) and Tranformers still had better legs despite the July 4th release. So yeah they can definitely put Avengers July 1st if need be if SM4 is Memorial Day weekend with Potter coming out two weeks later. Ideally... if Avengers is not ready.... I'd like to see Cap go to July 4th. But we definitely need at least 3 comicbook films that year or otherwise we will be facing the same log jam in 2012 only it would be even worse. I still don't think Avengers will be affected by Potter as much as people are saying.

[aka Kal el]

depends on when, ideally i'd like cap in may, avengers in june, and batman in july. it could work like that

I was just thinking of a possible dark Horse candidate for Cap.Tony Goldwyn who is best known as the villian in Ghost. He still looks pretty youthful,right voice and size and is actually a pretty good actor. What do you think?..Just saw trailer for Last house on the left Goldwyn is bad ass in it! he could definitely be our man!!BTW he is also the director of Dexter!

[YJ1]

Let's keep in mind, 2007 Potter was released ahead of Transformers in July (about a week after) and Tranformers still had better legs despite the July 4th release. So yeah they can definitely put Avengers July 1st if need be if SM4 is Memorial Day weekend with Potter coming out two weeks later. Ideally... if Avengers is not ready.... I'd like to see Cap go to July 4th. But we definitely need at least 3 comicbook films that year or otherwise we will be facing the same log jam in 2012 only it would be even worse. I still don't think Avengers will be affected by Potter as much as people are saying.

Yeah, Avengers will be fine. I don't see any film claiming that July 4th weekend. Why not just grab that mega spot now? This is actually good news to me. I'm glad Potter didn't bully Captain America out of the early May spot. Now, May belongs to Cap & hopefully Spider-Man. Avengers (practically Iron Man 3) will be more then OK. Cap would get overwelmed by Potter but Avengers will be able to hang with any film franchise.

[marcvader]

I agree with Avengers being alright. Avengers will be an event that summer.

[The Geek Vault]

I'm really hoping this turns out to be good

[Mister Sinister]

Samuel L Jackson to play Nick Fury in The Avengers
http://www.superherohype.com/news/ironmannews.php?id=8118

[Keyser Soze]

Kang, Ultron, and to a lesser extent Loki are my favorite Avenger foes.

I'd imagine Loki would be a prime candidate for Avengers villainy, seeing that he'll be introduced in the Thor movie. And it'd be appropriate, considering he was their first foe in the comics.

[marcvader]

That would be ok with me as well.

[YJ1]

Samuel L Jackson to play Nick Fury in The Avengers
http://www.superherohype.com/news/ironmannews.php?id=8118

AWESOME :up:

[FaT_tONle]

Yeah, Avengers will be fine. I don't see any film claiming that July 4th weekend. Why not just grab that mega spot now? This is actually good news to me. I'm glad Potter didn't bully Captain America out of the early May spot. Now, May belongs to Cap & hopefully Spider-Man. Avengers (practically Iron Man 3) will be more then OK. Cap would get overwelmed by Potter but Avengers will be able to hang with any film franchise.

July 4th is kind of formulaic though... I want mid July... movie to end all summer blockbusters of the decade. I'll leave Avengers for mid July until WB fully commits HP8 to that date.

[cerealkiller182]

SLJ signs NINE picture deal. DAMN! Thats commitment

Only SLJ could do that and still have a thriving career.

[anrrd_2]

at least 66% of those films will involve less than 5 min of airtime

[FaT_tONle]

Avengers he'll be featured but not a main guy... SHIELD movie, although most of the screen time would go to Hawkeye or Black Widow though... can't see him having more than five minutes in IM films. Captain America... probably a cameo there because Cap need as much screen time. So yeah it will probably be about three movies worth as a substantial character.

[Spider-Vader]

That's great news especially after the doubt about him returning. I have a feeling he'll be awesome as Fury, I hope we get a Fury/SHIELD movie.

[Jesster32388]

More Fury the better

[Spider-ManHero12]

Samuel L Jackson to play Nick Fury in The Avengers
http://www.superherohype.com/news/ironmannews.php?id=8118 As I said, great news! I wonder how much screentime he'll have?

[marcvader]

Hopefully he's just there in a support capacity, just get the team put together and that's it. Leave the action to the heroes.

[Docker2.0]

I think the villian will be a combo of Loki, the Leader(due to him being on the verge of being introduced in the Hulk), and possibly some unknown villian as of now. I just don't think the Loki will be the primary bad guy, though I know the Hulk will be the initial primary reason for the Avengers getting together after he killed that guy in Brazil and darn sho tried to kill Blonsky.

[FaT_tONle]

I am thinking Loki as well... but I agree he is not a feature villain that can carry the whole film... I mean even if its a final act type deal where Hulk is the initial villain. It would be like... "Oh great, there is the Thor villain again." I could see Leader as a supporting villain, especially if Marvel doesn't do a sequel to TIH. Otherwise he should NOT be in it. I don't want Abomination either... as it would be too gimicky having him return as some henchman like that. So right now I still don't know who would work best.

[Docker2.0]

Neither do I. Dr Doom would have been perfect but to bad Fox has him, Thanos as well. They may alter the origin of Ultron, I guess as a sentient computer gone wild, a la Terminator, but just don't know which way they should go with this movie.

[FaT_tONle]

Those guys are more Fantastic Four/Silver Surfer villains... we need Avengers villains.

[Docker2.0]

That's my point! Avengers big villians are really to broad to be able to put in one film per say. Kang....to soon......Ultron?........does he NEED to be explained in a origin movie or just show up? Eh. Count Nefarious? Possibly....he could be the head of a international cartel that Fury gets the Avengers against but just don't have a clue how this can go.

[FaT_tONle]

No I don't think outerspace... other worldly villains will work for an origin film... I mean in terms of bringing heroes together it would make sense... in terms of realism it does not... and by gearing towards the Ultimates... you want to keep it realistic. The one guy you just mentioned that can work... Count Nefaria... not ideal... but a realistic threat. I just think we need a legitimate terrorist organization, something that will be easy for the general public to buy. They already have to buy Norse Gods coming down from Asgard and what not... if you go Thanos or Skrulls or something like that it's too much. You are better off introducing those concepts in the Fantastic Four franchise than you are in Avengers.

[anrrd_2]

perhaps the villian could be red skull, who is leading an under neo-nazi terrorist organization bent on world domination...or destruction...whichever comes first. a rather basic concept, but it could be built upon.

[Jordacar]

It'd be good to at least have HYDRA. Gives the Avengers and SHIELD lots more bad guys to punch.

[marcvader]

I think the Avengers movie we'll get is an amalgamation of Marvel U and Ultimate. Therefor the whole purely realism route is out the window especially once Thor is involved. This opens things up from a scifi/space/fantasy aspect, which in essence is what we've always gotten from the Avengers comics anyways. Why not bring on Kang the Conquerer. He would most definately be hell of an opponent for the Avengers along with Loki's scheming in the background.

[FaT_tONle]

Even a villain like Kang would have to be grounded if he is going to work... obviously he has no superpowers. But he should be exactly what he is... a normal man. A master time traveler capable of manipulating history to change the future. It's not exactly a far reaching concept if you ask me. If I used him I would basically make a Back to the Future type film... where Avengers are battling him in different points in history... but it will still be grounded to reality... spare the time traveling concept and characters like Thor.

[Wally West]

No I don't think outerspace... other worldly villains will work for an origin film... I mean in terms of bringing heroes together it would make sense... in terms of realism it does not... and by gearing towards the Ultimates... you want to keep it realistic. The one guy you just mentioned that can work... Count Nefaria... not ideal... but a realistic threat. I just think we need a legitimate terrorist organization, something that will be easy for the general public to buy. They already have to buy Norse Gods coming down from Asgard and what not... if you go Thanos or Skrulls or something like that it's too much. You are better off introducing those concepts in the Fantastic Four franchise than you are in Avengers.

I know I quoted your post, but I'm not trying to single you out, because alot of people feel the same way you do...

I'm sorry, but I get tired of hearing how real these movies need to be. LOTR, Star Wars, The Wizard of Oz, audiences bought into those films, and they weren't grounded in realism like everyone thinks comic book films need to be. I understand the need to explain certain supernatural aspects within the story in a way that makes it seem possible. But come on, You've already got a giant green monster and a Norse god, together with a man who has been frozen in ice for 50 years, and another who is wearing a flying suit of armor. A terrorist orginization seems like a pretty dull antagonist for such a team.

It doesn't matter how far you push the fantasy aspect, if you make the characters and thier struggle relatable to the viewer audiences will buy in.

[marcvader]

That's what I'm sayin^^^

[FaT_tONle]

I know I quoted your post, but I'm not trying to single you out, because alot of people feel the same way you do...

I'm sorry, but I get tired of hearing how real these movies need to be. LOTR, Star Wars, The Wizard of Oz, audiences bought into those films, and they weren't grounded in realism like everyone thinks comic book films need to be. I understand the need to explain certain supernatural aspects within the story in a way that makes it seem possible. But come on, You've already got a giant green monster and a Norse god, together with a man who has been frozen in ice for 50 years, and another who is wearing a flying suit of armor. A terrorist orginization seems like a pretty dull antagonist for such a team.

It doesn't matter how far you push the fantasy aspect, if you make the characters and thier struggle relatable to the viewer audiences will buy in.

I get your sentiment... but it is beside the point. I am looking at it logically with the specifics in mind. For example, do you have any idea how many NEW characters they'd have to introduce if they went straight to a full blown Kree-Skrull war? How much development that concept will take? You can't use that as the basis for an origin film... it's too grand a concept and there are too many variables involved. Would NOT work in a two and a half hour film. Not to mention Kree-Skrull conflict came much later on in the timeline. If you know the Ultimates... you'd know they use an alien invasion themselves. But the Chitauri concept was lame to begin with and would not translate well on the big screen. For a animated direct to video... go for it. As a matter of fact they already did that. For a 250 million dollar live action film? I think I'll pass. As far as Thanos, he isn't a classic Avengers villain. Plus some of his most significant conflicts with the Avengers tie into the Kree-Skrull war, which I already explained would not work well. Maybe for sequels... not for the first film. As far as Kang... he can be as realistic as the writers allows him to be if you can buy a time traveler, which the public can buy to an extent. At least more so than aliens.

[Wally West]

I get your sentiment... but it is beside the point. I am looking at it logically with the specifics in mind. For example, do you have any idea how many NEW characters they'd have to introduce if they went straight to a full blown Kree-Skrull war? How much development that concept will take? You can't use that as the basis for an origin film... it's too grand a concept and there are too many variables involved. Would NOT work in a two and a half hour film. Not to mention Kree-Skrull conflict came much later on in the timeline. If you know the Ultimates... you'd know they use an alien invasion themselves. But the Chitauri concept was lame to begin with and would not translate well on the big screen. For a animated direct to video... go for it. As a matter of fact they already did that. For a 250 million dollar live action film? I think I'll pass. As far as Thanos, he isn't a classic Avengers villain. Plus some of his most significant conflicts with the Avengers tie into the Kree-Skrull war, which I already explained would not work well. Maybe for sequels... not for the first film. As far as Kang... he can be as realistic as the writers allows him to be if you can buy a time traveler, which the public can buy to an extent. At least more so than aliens.

I never suggested skrulls exactly, but you definately need a supernatural, and very imposing threat to challenge a team with that much power, otherwise it's going to be a very anti-climactic movie.

There will be ample time to set up an epic threat in this film. It's not going to be an origin film btw, that's the whole point in doing solo films first. These characters will be fleshed out by the time avengers is released, and they are inserting Fury into the individual films as well so the fact they have been brought together as a team will not require a lengthy explaination within the film. That means more screen time can be devoted to setting up whatever they will be facing.

[kedrell]

I wouldn't mind some sort of national threat using the MoE, similar to how the used the Liberators in the Grand Theft America story line from the Ultimates. Obviously not a true GTA adaption(I love my 616 after all) but along the same lines to an extent.

[FaT_tONle]

I never suggested skrulls exactly, but you definately need a supernatural, and very imposing threat to challenge a team with that much power, otherwise it's going to be a very anti-climactic movie.

There will be ample time to set up an epic threat in this film. It's not going to be an origin film btw, that's the whole point in doing solo films first. These characters will be fleshed out by the time avengers is released, and they are inserting Fury into the individual films as well so the fact they have been brought together as a team will not require a lengthy explaination within the film. That means more screen time can be devoted to setting up whatever they will be facing.

Hulk as an initial villain takes care of A LOT of the opening conflict, which is what we can expect if Hulk is featured in this. Kendrell mentioned the Liberators... that's something that is as legitimate and realistic as it gets. Make some switches to the villain lineup here and there... Baron Zemo pitted against Cap... check. Maybe an armored villain to take care of Iron Man... check. Maybe the return of Abomination to fend off Hulk (assuming Hulk even becomes a good guy)... check. Loki... that should neutralize Thor for a while... check. HYDRA to counteract the SHIELD... Leader, Red Skull... not exactly other worldly villains. THey all work in the universe. You take the right combination and you have a formidable threat politically, intellectually, and physically.

[Wally West]

Hulk as an initial villain takes care of A LOT of the opening conflict, which is what we can expect if Hulk is featured in this. Kendrell mentioned the Liberators... that's something that is as legitimate and realistic as it gets. Make some switches to the villain lineup here and there... Baron Zemo pitted against Cap... check. Maybe an armored villain to take care of Iron Man... check. Maybe the return of Abomination to fend off Hulk (assuming Hulk even becomes a good guy)... check. Loki... that should neutralize Thor for a while... check. HYDRA to counteract the SHIELD... Leader, Red Skull... not exactly other worldly villains. THey all work in the universe. You take the right combination and you have a formidable threat politically, intellectually, and physically.

Something like that would be fine with me.

[irapogi]

Hulk as an initial villain takes care of A LOT of the opening conflict, which is what we can expect if Hulk is featured in this. Kendrell mentioned the Liberators... that's something that is as legitimate and realistic as it gets. Make some switches to the villain lineup here and there... Baron Zemo pitted against Cap... check. Maybe an armored villain to take care of Iron Man... check. Maybe the return of Abomination to fend off Hulk (assuming Hulk even becomes a good guy)... check. Loki... that should neutralize Thor for a while... check. HYDRA to counteract the SHIELD... Leader, Red Skull... not exactly other worldly villains. THey all work in the universe. You take the right combination and you have a formidable threat politically, intellectually, and physically.

yeah, true. i can't wait for the final battle, where the scene keeps changing cos everyone's fighting someone.
i can't wait.:grin:

[Double Down]

From the Licensing Show:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/Avengers.jpg

[Docker2.0]

What about the Wrecking Crew? I can see them being in the movie since Loki is the original villian in the Avengers, basically controlling the Hulk and he did basically create the wrecking crew. I know the Hulk will be the baddie in the movie but someone has to get them all fighting on the same side, not just Loki alone becuase that's Thor's bad guy and Thor alone can handle him, but give him the Wrecking Crew and it could be interesting.

[Sawyer]

From the Licensing Show:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/Avengers.jpg

Aside from Iron Man 2, I'll believe that those are the actual logos once I see them on an official poster or on the big screen.

[Rich Santoro]

What about the Wrecking Crew? I can see them being in the movie since Loki is the original villian in the Avengers, basically controlling the Hulk and he did basically create the wrecking crew. I know the Hulk will be the baddie in the movie but someone has to get them all fighting on the same side, not just Loki alone becuase that's Thor's bad guy and Thor alone can handle him, but give him the Wrecking Crew and it could be interesting.

I like that... I have been kicking around ideas around that. Show Loki enchanting objects, and endowing goons with powers, could be a pretty cool scene for the film.

[louiebling$]

Kevin Feige Talks The Avengers

Source:http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/06/05/the-avengers-will-be-a-global-epic-will-smith-could-be-captain-america-and-thor-will-be-set-on-modern-era-earth/



The Avengers: Screenwriter Zak Penn won’t start writing his outline for the film until next week, but Feig would like to see The Hulk as part of the team. Feige says that The Avengers “is about saving the world” an the film will have “a different tone than the other Marvel movies,” “the scope and the scale will feel like a mu bigger thing,” “a much more massive global feel to it.” The threat will “be big,” “something that no single hero can handle.” The budget will probably be bigger as well. I personally think it would be stupid not to feature The Incredible Hulk in the Avengers movie, its just a question of making it work with the prior film(s) and Edward Norton.


I digging the way this sounds :up:

[Venom'sDad]

What threat is bigger than Hydra manipulating the Avengers greatest individual threats... Loki, Mandarin, Red Skull, Ravage, or maybe knock-offs of them. Just saying...

[bunk]

I'm glad they're trying to get Norton involved.

[Lunar_Wolf]

The movie will probably feature more international locations and actors than any other Marvel movie. In casting the Captain, Feige says that “international appeal” is something that Marvel will have to take into account, but admits that “there are only a handful of stars that mean anything here much less overseas.” Later when someone brought up Will Smith, Feige responded, “I think Will Smith is probably one of those handful of international stars.”


Let says they did cast Smith, Wouldn't it be better to have a fantastic black actor, then a terrible white one? I'm a fan of Will Smith, I think he's a great actor that oozes charisma and charm. Not only that, but he is a major Box Office draw. From a business stand point, casting him would be no brainer and like the quote says, he's got ''international appeal''. And just because you change a look to a character, doesn't mean they won't act like the character. Transformers is a prime example of this. Each incarnation of Transformers, moreless have the same characters, but their appearance always changes, but it works because the characters personality is still intact. This can easily be translated into a black Captain America.

It will never come true though. I don't think the studio would risk changing a major thing like this to Captain America. Doing each Marvel film that now connects at the end, has to be handled carefully, because you don't want some pieces missing, that will cause a collapse when all these characters join for The Avengers.

[Venom'sDad]

I wouldn't mind if it was done in the comics first and had years of track-record behind it. Much like Marvel's Nick Fury and D.C.'s Green Lantern.

But, Cap has never had that... the closest we came to that is obviously Falcon. I say no. If you have great writing and good acting... the film will sell itself overseas.

[Iron_Stark]

Kevin Feige Talks The Avengers

Source:http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/06/05/the-avengers-will-be-a-global-epic-will-smith-could-be-captain-america-and-thor-will-be-set-on-modern-era-earth/






I digging the way this sounds :up:

I'm also liking the way things are sounding.

And it's great to hear Hulk is going to be part of the team and not the villain.

[FaT_tONle]

I don't get what Feige means by saying, "This won't be your typical Marvel movie..." If he just means the sheer scope of the threat then that is understandable... but other than that I don't see how exactly they will be breaking new ground with this... other than the fact that it's with multiple heroes.

[Sub-Zero]

the will smith as captain america thing doesn't make sense. in the 1940s would the u.s. government really want a black man to be an american wartime iconic symbol? the answer is "no." maybe now it would be feasible, but definitely not back then. sure there was that isiah bradley as the first black captain america, but do you really think they'd go that route than steve rogers?

[Rich Santoro]

Let says they did cast Smith, Wouldn't it be better to have a fantastic black actor, then a terrible white one?

That begs the question pretty bad... are those our only options... A good black actor, or a bad white one???

I think that we also have the choice of getting a good white actor. And... if the goal was just scoped for international appeal, they should get Tom Hanks. But... there is more to it than that... Appearance, character fit, appeal, and talent are all the criteria.

[LostSon88]

Heh...I totally forgot that Hulk was part of the Avengers. Seeing those 4 posters, I knew something was missing...

Oh and i'm pretty sure that Will Smith will not be considered for Captain America.

I mean, its not like Feige can straight out say, "Well...Captain America's white, Will Smith isn't. So..."

:cwink:

[Sub-Zero]

plus smith is 40. he's a really good actor, but he can't pull off a young soldier.

[topdog1]

Kevin Feige Lets Go Some Marvel Movie News

Wanna know the next time when you will see The Incredible Hulk SMASH stuff up on the big screen? Kevin Feige lets us in on the news. Also Thor and Ant Man and Doctor Strange and Captain America and The Avengers. Wheew, thats alot!
From the set of Iron Man 2, Marvel big wig Kevin Feige let go the news that The Incredible Hulk will be appearing in the Avengers movie. Kevin goes on to say:

"It will have been a number of years, four years since he was in a movie by that point, by 2012. So I'd like to see him in it. I'm not being coy. We're just starting the story. I was on the phone with Zak Penn this morning. He's coming in next week and he's going to work on the outline this summer, but because it's so intertwined with what we're doing before - I almost wanted to get done with production on Iron Man 2 [and] the scripts to Thor and Captain America well underway before we even started Avengers."

Feige also mentioned the previous Hulk movies and doesn't rule out another one in the future. "Now at least we talk about Hulk onscreen and Hulk in a movie - I think that you can go to something that isn't a very sort of surreal experience and is rather very much a Marvel movie experience and does very much tie and is a part of this MCU (Marvel Cinema Universe) that I talked about that."

When asked about Ant Man, Kevin replied:

"I want to make 'Ant-Man' one of these days. I think that'll be surprising and a funny thing. I love that what Edgar (Wright) likes about it is that when he says he's doing Ant-Man people go, 'Ant-Man? What the hell is that?' I think that's fun.

Whats up with Doctor Strange Kevin, to which he replied:

"I think 'Dr. Strange' would kick ass. I think we've done very well at the superhero genre, if you will, this street level superhero aspect of the Marvel Universe. I think with Thor you'll see us cracking into the cosmic side of the Marvel Universe in a very good way that's never been done before in our movies and I'd love to get into that supernatural element. I think that Dr. Strange could be a good way of being the lynchpin to that universe with Werewolf By Night, with Blade again someday – that side of the Marvel Universe."

On Captain America, have they cast anyone yet? To which Kevin States:

"There are only a handful of stars that mean anything here much less overseas. But I do think that will be a factor in it. As long as we have the freedom to do so at Marvel….to just cast the best actor for the part whether it's an actor who's been a great actor, but hasn't starred in marquee action movies before like Downey or somebody that came out of Australia that they've never heard of," Feige states.

Kevin also threw out the Will Smith rumor for Cap and loves the "Truth" storyline, which revealed a black Captain America that pre-dated Steve Rogers.
Kevin goes on to say:

"I love the 'Truth' storyline. I think that's very cool. I wouldn't do that as a first Captain America movie though," Feige states "I think that (arc) came about four or five hundred issues in to the “Cap” run. I don't see launching with that comic."


Whats The Avengers going to be about? Kevin states:

"I think Avengers is going to have it's own vibe. It'll have a different tone than the other Marvel movies," Feige said adding that the storyline will have a global feel to it and the scope of the threat will be world-threatening. "'The Avengers' is about saving the world because there's no other reason for characters that powerful to band together. So I think the scope and the scale will feel like a much bigger thing. So whatever you had seen - whether Starscream was your favorite character or Megatron is your favorite character or Soundwave is your favorite character - you're going to see the experience of that epic thing together. I think it'll be the same thing."


He had me until the Transformers references. Avengers had better be much more intelligent and much better than Transformers. Set the bar MUCH higher than that, Mr. Feige. (And please, NO aliens)

[kedrell]

There's nothing wrong with aliens if they're done right. But yeah, no TF-type crap please.

[bunk]

Avengers better have some ****ing aliens at some point.

[protocida]

Transformers is great.

So would be the Chitauri.

[Compi716]

I'm thinking they might take the story from Ultimates 1 (vol. 1 & 2). It could work:

THE AVENGERS starts with an epic battle as Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Giant Man/Ant Man and Wasp take down a renegade Hulk. They do, declared heroes, etc. etc. Then we have middle ground stuff, SHIELD business, etc. The "threat" shows up, and the Avengers can't do it alone - they need the drugged and imprisoned Bruce Banner to unleash his inner monster.

Cue massive battle.

[kedrell]

Transformers is great.

So would be the Chitauri.

Well that's one opinion. One that too many would disagree with I think.

[topdog1]

I'm thinking they might take the story from Ultimates 1 (vol. 1 & 2). It could work:

THE AVENGERS starts with an epic battle as Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Giant Man/Ant Man and Wasp take down a renegade Hulk. They do, declared heroes, etc. etc. Then we have middle ground stuff, SHIELD business, etc. The "threat" shows up, and the Avengers can't do it alone - they need the drugged and imprisoned Bruce Banner to unleash his inner monster.

Cue massive battle.

YES! I like it! Just don't have Skrulls or Chitauri or whatever from outer space be the threat. As dumb as it sounds to say (with Norse gods, 60 year suspended animation, etc) using aliens would lose credibility from general movie goers. Use Ultron or another more believable and less Crystal Skull/Independence Day threat.

[Lobo]

^Ultron would work better for a sequel, IMO. Have Pym building him in the first one.

[Obi-Ron]

I was hoping to see Ultron build in Ant-Man, and develop into the Avengers baddie. Oh well.

Thanks for posting the whole thing, topdog1.

[FaT_tONle]

I don't see Ultron working in this movie unless it's hapassed. HELL NO to Skrulls... as imporant as they are in the Marvel Universe, I still think its too soon in the movie cannon and plus the audiences would be turned off by yet another outer space invasion. Based on what Favreau did with Iron Man, TIH keeping it within reason, Thor set to introduce Blake and showcase Earth for a significant amount of time, and Cap being a grounded set piece, keep the threats terrestrial. Zemo, Red Skull, Loki, Leader, all formidable choices. I am thinking a global terror network like HYDRA or AIM, maybe another villain like Loki or Leader, and possibly some hints at Mandarin. And I never got the idea that "That isn't a big enough threat." Let the villains make up for the lack of muscle with their brains.

[louiebling$]

I don't see Ultron working in this movie unless it's hapassed. HELL NO to Skrulls... as imporant as they are in the Marvel Universe, I still think its too soon in the movie cannon and plus the audiences would be turned off by yet another outer space invasion. Based on what Favreau did with Iron Man, TIH keeping it within reason, Thor set to introduce Blake and showcase Earth for a significant amount of time, and Cap being a grounded set piece, keep the threats terrestrial. Zemo, Red Skull, Loki, Leader, all formidable choices. I am thinking a global terror network like HYDRA or AIM, maybe another villain like Loki or Leader, and possibly some hints at Mandarin. And I never got the idea that "That isn't a big enough threat." Let the villains make up for the lack of muscle with their brains.

Feige already said that Blake will not be in Thor in the roundtable interview.



And I think a Loki/Red Skull Combo would really be Epic.

[FaT_tONle]

Then if they are not using Blake I really don't know how they intend to do the Earth portion.

[bunk]

I'm sure they'll run it by you first.

[FaT_tONle]

I don't have a problem with no Blake. I could care less what they use. I am just curious how the intend to transition Thor to Earth if they aren't using a character like Blake.

[Aztec]

I don't have a problem with no Blake. I could care less what they use. I am just curious how the intend to transition Thor to Earth if they aren't using a character like Blake.

The Blake character is corny and too He-Man or Captain Marvel like. Let Thor be Thor! That's the solution right there.

[Chris B]

Well that's one opinion. One that too many would disagree with I think.

I think its pretty split down the middle when it comes to the positive and negative reception of TF.

Personally, I liked it and am excited about the sequel.

[Chris B]

On the topic of Avengers, I still think the Masters of Evil would work and would go along Feige's comments. Especially look at the villains that have been/will be established. I think establishing them could be as simple as Loki forming an alliance with the Red Skull. Along with Justin Hammer financing the team, the Leader being recruited, and the Abomination being broken out of SHIELD custody.

[protocida]

I think the Masters of Terror should be kept for the third movie. The Avengers greatest foes combined would be the perfect way to end the movie.

My line-up would be: Red Skull, Mandarin, Loki, the Leader, Titanium Man, Abomination, Swarm, Hurricane and Ultron.

[topdog1]

On a side note, I just love this Marvel Studios Logo...

http://media2.firstshowing.net/firstshowing/img/marvel-studios-avengersBG-logo-img.jpg

Finally, The Avengers taking center stage!

[protocida]

Nice! :yay:

[protocida]

Kevin Feige, CEO of Marvel Studios, said Scarlett Johansson and Tom Hiddlestom have contracts for "multiple franchises".

Black Widow and Loki confirmed in The Avengers?

[Obi-Ron]

Not necessarily

[protocida]

I don't see any other franchises fitting them.

[FaT_tONle]

Kevin Feige, CEO of Marvel Studios, said Scarlett Johansson and Tom Hiddlestom have contracts for "multiple franchises".

Black Widow and Loki confirmed in The Avengers?

Penn is still asking around and putting together the script. THey are just discussing. All it does is give them the option. We are still a ways away before we know what we are getting.

[Ash Talon]

There was also another Marvel film in 2012 hinted at. What could it be?

I think either Dr. Strange or Black Panther. Both projects have been kicking around for a while. I could see either one moving forward relatively quickly.

[Ash Talon]

Regarding the Avengers movie itself, I think they need to do something other than Loki just assembling previous movies' villains. It would just seem like squishing all previous Marvel movies together, heroes and villains. They just need a single large threat.

Ultron could happen, if he's set up early in the film. Ultron computer could start causing some smaller problems and then culminates in actually creating a body, or bodies, for itself. Ultron is one of my favorite Avengers villains. Although he might seem a little too similar to Skynet and Terminators to moviegoers. If they could somehow adapt the Ultron Unlimited story and show Ultron destroying an entire country.

Kang could be used. Maybe tie him into something from the Cap movie. Like the Sleeper Nazi weapon from Cap's Tales of Suspense issues. Kang finds it and activates it in modern times.

I don't think the Hulk is enough as an adversary. The Avengers could fight him in the opening act and take him down. And then offer him a position on the team. I don't think he can carry the film as the bad guy, though.

An alien invasion could work. Although, we've seen a million of them in movies. How do you make it work. Skrulls, maybe? Although, their nature is subterfuge which doesn't seem like a good reason to assemble a super-team. Unless SHIELD is assembling the Avengers, because they know about an impending alien invasion.

Leader could be the bad guy or one of them. Hulk 2 might not happen, and they set up Leader. He could end up being a cool bad guy. Maybe he starts creating an army of gamma monsters/characters. The Avengers need Hulk/Banner to help stop Leader.

Lots to think about. And plenty of time to do so.

[TKing]

Isn't this film gonna be written by Zak Penn? The guy who did X-Men 3?

[Docker2.0]

Loki is going to be in multiple Marvel movies, it's already been stated. I wouldn't be surprised if he showed up in IM2, which kind of lets you know he's going to probably going to be one of the main baddies in Avengers.

[Venom'sDad]

I'm beginning to think that Mandarin will be the villain in the Avengers film, if not Mandarin & Loki. Mandarin appear to be setting up, not for IM3 that may not happen, but for the Avengers.

[protocida]

No, it's definetly Iron Man 3. It'll happen.

[Venom'sDad]

Are we sure... for certain?!? Link/proof

[protocida]

Favreau said so a good number of times.

[Venom'sDad]

Wow... I must have missed that. Link.

[luke1234]

Isn't this film gonna be written by Zak Penn? The guy who did X-Men 3?

Yeah thats why Im afraid of this film.

[Jordacar]

There's still plenty of time to call for rewrites, should Feige & co. deem necessary.

[luke1234]

There's still plenty of time to call for rewrites, should Feige & co. deem necessary.

still i dont know why you would rely on Zak Penn to write possibly one of the biggest most expensive films ever to be made.

[Sub-Zero]

he was credited with x-men 2, and the incredible hulk. 2 very good films. he really didn't write either of them though. dan harris and mike dougherty wrote x2 and superman returns, and ed norton says he wrote most of ih.

[kedrell]

Penn can be useful for rough outlines, but that is it. He is to Marvel what David Goyer is to DC.

[Chewy]

Screenwriter Zak Penn is already scratching his head about how to piece together and overlap stories from three, maybe four or more movies as he sits down to write The Avengers this summer, based on the Marvel Comics superheroes.

Penn was on a panel Tuesday night called "Graphic Explosion" at the Los Angeles Film Festival in the Westwood Village area of Los Angeles, along with History of Violence screenwriter Josh Olson and Radical Publishing co-founder Barry Levine. During the question-and-answer segment, Penn answered some questions he said "I might get in trouble for."

Penn said he ran into frustration while writing the last two X-Men movies because he wanted to include a few of the other characters—the Fantastic Four, for instance—but was prevented by studio executives. That, perhaps, led to the ho-hum response to his Incredible Hulk movie.

But Penn is aware that Marvel movies coming up—with Iron Man, Thor and Captain America—will precede his Avengers film (slated for 2012), so he has to figure out how all the movies fit together. Now that Marvel is itself producing movies as a company, Penn said, "It is a world of difference; it is a lot easier to do things like that, and they encourage it."

Penn said he is meeting this coming week with the team writing the other movies so they can piece together storylines and overlap some of the film plots.

"They're doing Captain American and Thor first, and then Avengers is coming out," Penn said. "They want to see that they're all connected, not like the Fantastic Four can't come into the X-Men world, like I was told. I'm taking a meeting next week with the Thor and Captain America people, and we are all going to get together, and I will see what is going to happen. I'll see where they are leaving the characters; it's pretty complicated. ... There's a board that is tracking what is happening. [We'll see] how this movie overlaps in that movie. ... Marvel is autonomous now. It is night and day: Everyone has read every comic. They know how to make a cool movie."

And although Penn holds the responsibility for bringing all the characters of the other films together, he remains insecure. "It's hard to make a good movie," he said. "We all have the best intentions, and it still might suck."SOURCE (http://scifiwire.com/2009/06/x-men-writer-zak-penn-bre.php)


Please, Marvel, let him write his draft and then bring in a couple of writers with talent to fix it :(

[Aztec]

That's not exactly the confident shot in the arm response I was looking for.

[Obi-Ron]

Wow, FF in an X-Movie would have been brilliant. Foolish suits.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Interesting article. Honestly, I have ALOT of faith, and I think it'll be awesome.

[Venom'sDad]

Interesting indeed....

[Docker2.0]

Interesting article. Honestly, I have ALOT of faith, and I think it'll be awesome.

Me to. Some people just hate anything. I wonder why Fox wouldn't let the Xmen and F4 cross paths. It would have been a way to put juice into both franchises. It's amazing how badly fans want to see crossovers in movies to a degree but suits don't want it to happen at all. :huh:

[WillardNation]

Me to. Some people just hate anything. I wonder why Fox wouldn't let the Xmen and F4 cross paths. It would have been a way to put juice into both franchises. It's amazing how badly fans want to see crossovers in movies to a degree but suits don't want it to happen at all. :huh:

Exactly. If the two franchises are owned by the same people I'd think a crossover is kind of a no brainer?

[Obi-Ron]

Yeah, you'd think so.

[TheVileOne]

Fox did a two crossover movies.

AVP.

[kedrell]

Yeah, but AVP isn't Marvel.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Me to. Some people just hate anything. I wonder why Fox wouldn't let the Xmen and F4 cross paths. It would have been a way to put juice into both franchises. It's amazing how badly fans want to see crossovers in movies to a degree but suits don't want it to happen at all. :huh: I second that. Honestly, it ticks me off to a certain degress. I mean, crossovers would rock. I remember how Louis wanted to be Peter Parker in a small cameo in The Incredible Hulk, but wasn't able to due to rights issues. Would have rocked.

[Spider-Vader]

Me to. Some people just hate anything. I wonder why Fox wouldn't let the Xmen and F4 cross paths. It would have been a way to put juice into both franchises. It's amazing how badly fans want to see crossovers in movies to a degree but suits don't want it to happen at all. :huh:
That sucks because I want Bullseye in the Deadpool movie. But Fox is to stupid to do it, especially because it'd be a good way to set up for the Daredevil reboot they want to do.
I second that. Honestly, it ticks me off to a certain degress. I mean, crossovers would rock. I remember how Louis wanted to be Peter Parker in a small cameo in The Incredible Hulk, but wasn't able to due to rights issues. Would have rocked.

Wait, he wanted to be Parker? I remember him wanting Maguire in. Unless that was a typo.... I'm not making fun of you BTW.

[Rage]

Maguire in a cameo playing Peter Parker was what I heard, but it was shot down by Sony. Stupid idea on Sony's part. Cross-promotion is good for both studios and creates a buzz for both movies etc...

[TheFuture]

Perhaps cameos such as Maguire in TIH just aren't worth it financially for Sony. How much do you think Maguire would have tried to tap Sony for just for one scene, two scenes tops? It'd be nice to think crossovers could happen but I understand why Sony would be reluctant

[Spider-Vader]

Maybe they would do it if he had a big role in one of these movies.

[Rich Santoro]

Fox did a two crossover movies.

AVP.

The movie wasn't really the cross-over, rather the original comic book was. The book crossed-over the story-lines... and Fox made a movie out of that book series.

Basically, I am saying that Fox sucks, and deserves no credit.

[anrrd_2]

fox does suck...aside from X1 and X2 they have not made a single good marvel movie...they need to get there ***** straight or let the rights go back to marvel.

[Venom'sDad]

As bad as you may think Fox other endeavours are outside of X1 & X2... they are still pretty lucrative product that Fox will never give up.

[Rich Santoro]

They still suck for those of us that have expectations... Maybe that is the problem. We just need to shed any preconceived notions built on decades of story-line and character lore. Basically, just pretend that you have no acquaintance with the characters or stories... and just enjoy the movies as your run-of-the-mill sci-fi flicks.

Well... can't do it. Fox can suck all the way to the bank, but they still suck.

[kedrell]

^Yeah, pretty much impossible to do. And there films suck even w/o knowing about the comics their based on. I knew zip about Elektra, but the film still sucked.

[fazeforce]

Ya know what I've been wondering, is since Marvel now controls the rights to a number of its characters, and obviously they want to create a filmic Marvel Universe, why couldn't, for example, Sam Jackson show up as Fury in the Wolverine sequel? Marvel controls the rights to Fury, and it would be no skin off of Fox's sack to allow it I wouldn't think. And it would rock for fans, even if it was just a small cameo like in IM.

[WillardNation]

because Fox still owns the rights to X-Men and they wouldn't allow cuz they're *****.

[Rich Santoro]

Fox wouldn't like it... because it makes Fury more interesting and compelling (and they don't have the rights to him).

Marvel wouldn't like it... because the cameo makes the Wolverine movie more interesting and compelling (and they don't have the rights to him).

[kedrell]

Ya know what I've been wondering, is since Marvel now controls the rights to a number of its characters, and obviously they want to create a filmic Marvel Universe, why couldn't, for example, Sam Jackson show up as Fury in the Wolverine sequel? Marvel controls the rights to Fury, and it would be no skin off of Fox's sack to allow it I wouldn't think. And it would rock for fans, even if it was just a small cameo like in IM.

I think Marvel wants to keep their in-house made films seperate from the stuff other studios do(and largely f*** up) with their characters. Those studios won't have the rights forever. They may keep them for another 10-20 years but eventually they're going back to Marvel. It's inevitable. Once they go back to Marvel, the House of Ideas can say "You know all those films other studios made using our characters? Yeah, none of them are canon." And then they are free to make their own definitive films based on those characters.

All that is shot however if they start mixing characters from their in-house films with other studio's films. Marvel want's a clear line of seperation between the two, I believe.

[fazeforce]

You make a damn fine point Kedrell

[Aztec]

hose studios won't have the rights forever. They may keep them for another 10-20 years but eventually they're going back to Marvel. It's inevitable.

Actually I remember reading an interview with a Marvel big shot (whether it was Joe Q or Feige I can't recall) and he said that the way the contracts are structured Sony and Fox could conceivably retain the rights to Spiderman and the X-Men respectively for another 99 years if they so desired. It was stated that it was rather unlikely that Marvel would ever retain the rights to those characters in live action films.

On the flip side though, it's quite conceivable that Marvel could get the rights back for Fantastic Four, Daredevil, and Punisher before too long. It really all depends if the studios have any real interest in pursuing future sequels. My guess is that Lionsgate will drop The Punisher after its last failed film attempt.

[Docker2.0]

Actually I remember reading an interview with a Marvel big shot (whether it was Joe Q or Feige I can't recall) and he said that the way the contracts are structured Sony and Fox could conceivably retain the rights to Spiderman and the X-Men respectively for another 99 years if they so desired. It was stated that it was rather unlikely that Marvel would ever retain the rights to those characters in live action films.

On the flip side though, it's quite conceivable that Marvel could get the rights back for Fantastic Four, Daredevil, and Punisher before too long. It really all depends if the studios have any real interest in pursuing future sequels. My guess is that Lionsgate will drop The Punisher after its last failed film attempt.

Aztec you are quite correct sir. I never understood why people always thought that Marvel would somehow revert the rights back some how. Truth is, they'd have to pay to get them back. Fox have had the rights to the Xmen since the early 90's and slept on them for almost 7 years til they came out with the XMen movie. The best that Marvel can hope for is either to buy them back or make a deal like they did with Universal Studios. They can make the movie but Universal distributes it, a la Hulk. And WB, a la Watchmen. :p

[kedrell]

Aztec you are quite correct sir. I never understood why people always thought that Marvel would somehow revert the rights back some how. Truth is, they'd have to pay to get them back. Fox have had the rights to the Xmen since the early 90's and slept on them for almost 7 years til they came out with the XMen movie. The best that Marvel can hope for is either to buy them back or make a deal like they did with Universal Studios. They can make the movie but Universal distributes it, a la Hulk. And WB, a la Watchmen. :p

It's not inconceivable that they could end up doing that. Especially if they keep making in-house hits and the studio's film grosses keep shrinking. Spider-Man is shrinking(domestically at least), X-Men are shrinking, FF, DD, etc. are all shrinking. We'll see what happens.

[Docker2.0]

Actually DD was a BO hit. It just critically wasn't successful. But I know what you mean. I think if Marvel actually sat down with the studios and explained the situation of how both studios can profit from crossover cameos, then the studios SHOULD listen and even compromise some kind of way.

[FaT_tONle]

If it's true that Fox had X-Men since the early 90's... which I was unaware of but it makes sense, then I think that deal is definitely different than any deal Marvel had with Universal regarding Hulk. The more recent properties like DD/FF may be similar to the Hulk deal, so I would like to think Marvel will try to reacquire those properties.

[kedrell]

Spider-Man, X-Men and the FF are priority. GR, Punisher, DD are less so for reaquiring.

[TheVileOne]

Yeah, do you guys honestly think Sony is going to let go of Spider-man and Fox X-men?

Not going to happen.

I also imagine Fox will do everything within their power to keep a tight grip on FF and DD.

Why? Because they've proven that they would rather tyrannically keep hold of a property then let someone else make money off of it.

[Venom'sDad]

Totally agree

[Gamma Goliath]

I don't see them doing anything with f4 Or daredevil. But xmen will thrive, cause those are fox's money makers.

[Aztec]

I don't see them doing anything with f4 Or daredevil. But xmen will thrive, cause those are fox's money makers.

Actually not too long ago word was stirring that they are "re-making" both (Daredevil & Fantastic Four) franchises.

[Venom'sDad]

Wait.... I was under the impression that Marvel was buying back the rights to DareDevil. :confused:

[FaT_tONle]

I don't see Fox making a move with Daredevil, but Rothman said that they are actively looking into it. It may be a while before we see it in the hands of Marvel.

[kedrell]

Point is that if FOX & Sony keep making crappy films, the grosses will continue to dwindle. If Marvel keeps making great films, they will continue to increase. At some point Marvel will be able to buy Spidey, FF & the X-Men off those other studios.

[Lots o lafs]

I hope marvel buys back everything and gets rid of the marvel knight line of movies(punisher warzone was not good).

[kedrell]

Buying Punisher back from LionsGate would be a snap in comparison to the others. Hell, they could probably do it right now if they wanted to.

[cerealkiller182]

I could probably see Lions Gate doing waht Universal did. Give Marvel the production rights, keep the distribution rights. I'd say its fairly win-win.

[kedrell]

Even easier. Punisher isn't nearly on the level of Hulk at the movies.

[Rich Santoro]

Marvel getting FF would be great... That is the castof characters that are most apt to interacet with the Avengers.

[kedrell]

True, in fact the FF are kind of a bridge to most other characters in the Marvel U. They're very valuable for that reason.

[FaT_tONle]

Point is that if FOX & Sony keep making crappy films, the grosses will continue to dwindle. If Marvel keeps making great films, they will continue to increase. At some point Marvel will be able to buy Spidey, FF & the X-Men off those other studios.

So now we are going to naively believe that Marvel will continue churn out hits while Sony and Fox continue to see their earnings dwindle? I wish it worked out that way (and probably will for Sony/Fox), but it probably won't. I would not be suprised if Marvel starts making crappy films not more than three years after the Avengers movie. I just don't see where they will go after this current batch of characters, and I am talking about tentpole films... ie) major Avenger characters and ensemble films. The smaller, low budget films will be hit or miss, moreso the latter than the former if history is any indicator.

[kedrell]

So now we are going to naively believe that Marvel will continue churn out hits while Sony and Fox continue to see their earnings dwindle? I wish it worked out that way (and probably will for Sony/Fox), but it probably won't. I would not be suprised if Marvel starts making crappy films not more than three years after the Avengers movie. I just don't see where they will go after this current batch of characters, and I am talking about tentpole films... ie) major Avenger characters and ensemble films. The smaller, low budget films will be hit or miss, moreso the latter than the former if history is any indicator.

I don't believe it's naive, Marvel knows they are going to be quite vulnerable as a young studio for at least their first 10 films. They are in Pixar's place, circa 1996. For Marvel Studios, it's soar or die. The big studios don't have that added impetus to succeed. I am not saying that it is not possible for Marvel Studios to f*** things up and go the way of Carolco or New Line Cinema. But they have the added benefit of history to guide them and I hope they use it.

[KangConquers]

So now we are going to naively believe that Marvel will continue churn out hits while Sony and Fox continue to see their earnings dwindle? I wish it worked out that way (and probably will for Sony/Fox), but it probably won't. I would not be suprised if Marvel starts making crappy films not more than three years after the Avengers movie. I just don't see where they will go after this current batch of characters, and I am talking about tentpole films... ie) major Avenger characters and ensemble films. The smaller, low budget films will be hit or miss, moreso the latter than the former if history is any indicator.

You've got a point. They might hit a few high notes (Black Panther and Doctor Strange have a lot of potential), but there's also Luke Cage, Night Hawk, and a few others that just sound like sure fails.

[Spider-Vader]

Luke Cage could be a kickass movie.

[kedrell]

A Luke Cage & Iron Fist movie done in an action with comedy setting/tone similar to Lethal Weapon would work I think. They just need the right "in" for the character(s).

[cerealkiller182]

Iron Fist is way cooler and more interesting now than he was as part of Heroes for Hire. I'd much rather see a straight up Iron Fist flick

[Jordacar]

I would love to see them make the Luke Cage movie and the Iron Fist movie in the same year, than have the team up movie a year or two later.

[chamber-music]

You've got a point. They might hit a few high notes (Black Panther and Doctor Strange have a lot of potential), but there's also Luke Cage, Night Hawk, and a few others that just sound like sure fails.

Not really look at movies like Blade, Constantine, The Mask or 300.
They where not big name comics but with the right cast and a director with some vision they where sucessful. Its not impossible for lesser known characters and comics to be a sucess.

[Spider-Vader]

I would love to see them make the Luke Cage movie and the Iron Fist movie in the same year, than have the team up movie a year or two later.

This would be awesome. I'd love if they did that.

[TheVileOne]

Not really look at movies like Blade, Constantine, The Mask or 300.
They where not big name comics but with the right cast and a director with some vision they where sucessful. Its not impossible for lesser known characters and comics to be a sucess.

Constantine sucked and was a poorly made franchise attempt. Keanu Reeves was a terrible Constantine. It was NOT that successful.

[Sawyer]

Constantine sucked and was a poorly made franchise attempt. Keanu Reeves was a terrible Constantine. It was NOT that successful.

While I agree that Reeves was an awful casting choice, the rest of the film was rather well done and it made more than twice its budget.

Now... 300? That **** was overrated.

[strikezone89]

While I agree that Reeves was an awful casting choice, the rest of the film was rather well done and it made more than twice its budget.

Now... 300? That **** was overrated.

I loved Constantine.. casting could have been a little better but im not a Reeves hater and actually find him entertaining...
now with your 300 reference... YOUR EXACTLY CORRECT... i hated 300

[YoungE808]

Meet the Spartans personally ruined 300 for me as well as ppl making 300 seem as good as Space Jam (The Legend!).

Anyone think Tyrese would make a good Luke Cage? He'd hit the lines perfectly.

[Spider-Vader]

I can see him as Cage. I hope they do Cage soon, it'd be cheap & with a good script it can be a pretty good movie.

[louiebling$]

Terry Crews should be Luke Cage.. end of story :o

[chamber-music]

I wasn't a huge fan of Constantine or 300 but those movies made money and commercially successful without being house hold name comics or comic characters which was my point.

[protocida]

There's something about "Rampage combat drones" in Iron Man 2.

Could it be the foreshadowing of... ULTRON?

[WillardNation]

Terry Crews should be Luke Cage.. end of story :o

Terry Crews and Tyrese are both horrible horrible actors that need to stay very very far away from any comic book movie.

[protocida]

Don't you dare say an unkind word of Cheeseburger Eddie, you heir!

[WillardNation]

Watch Street Kings. His attempt at a dramatic role was simply atrocious. I was offended. And Tyrese just overacts in everything he's in. He's just horrible all around.

[Spider-Vader]

There's something about "Rampage combat drones" in Iron Man 2.

Could it be the foreshadowing of... ULTRON?

Unless they introduce Hank Pym, then I don't think so.

[fazeforce]

Watch Street Kings. His attempt at a dramatic role was simply atrocious. I was offended. And Tyrese just overacts in everything he's in. He's just horrible all around.

Come on, he was great as President Camacho! :woot:

[Sarg92]

I am wondering what the theme and feel of The Avengers will be apart from heroes working together in a team to take down a big threat.

I mean, Iron Man is Marvel's family/comedy film. The Incredible Hulk is Marvel's action/horror/drama film. Thor is Marvel's fantasy/action/epic film and Captain America is Marvel's period piece/action/drama film.

I just wonder what The Avengers is gonna be like.

I really do hope that they will be able to get all main cast members from the individual Marvel films to sign on for The Avengers (please say Norton won't ditch Marvel and Hulk!)!

[kedrell]

Iron Man's a family/comedy? I'd have said he was action/sci-fi.

[Sarg92]

Iron Man's a family/comedy? I'd have said he was action/sci-fi.

Action/Sci-Fi would also fit Iron Man. Sci-Fi would fit most Marvel films. But I don't think Iron Man had enough action or good enough action for it to be really considered an action film, Iron Man 2 may change that though.

When I say comedy I don't mean that you have Stark cracking jokes throughout the entire film to have people in stitches but out of the upcoming Marvel films and TIH, I would say Iron Man would be the funniest. It probably has more jokes that other Marvel Studios films.

And I think family suits Iron Man because the character is very likeable for the entire family whereas TIH didn't really have a broad appeal from all ages and genders.

[kedrell]

Hmm, ok. I'd have said Superman, Spider-Man or the FF are far more family films than Iron Man. I mean we had scenes of torture, murder, sex and pole-dancing flight attendants in IM and that was just in the first 20 minutes. IM's about as family as James Bond is, IMO.

[Gamma Goliath]

Yeah, it fits scifi/adventure genre

[Obi-Ron]

Hmm, ok. I'd have said Superman, Spider-Man or the FF are far more family films than Iron Man. I mean we had scenes of torture, murder, sex and pole-dancing flight attendants in IM and that was just in the first 20 minutes. IM's about as family as James Bond is, IMO.

Don't forget the drinky-drinky. :stark

[Rich Santoro]

Thank goodness they did not have the scene in Dubai where Tony swoon's three bimbos into a back room... In the clip, he used it as a alibi for taking off to fight the bad-guys... but it was way to suggestive for my kids.

[Venom'sDad]

Hmm, ok. I'd have said Superman, Spider-Man or the FF are far more family films than Iron Man. I mean we had scenes of torture, murder, sex and pole-dancing flight attendants in IM and that was just in the first 20 minutes. IM's about as family as James Bond is, IMO.That's actually a good point.

[kedrell]

Thank goodness they did not have the scene in Dubai where Tony swoon's three bimbos into a back room... In the clip, he used it as a alibi for taking off to fight the bad-guys... but it was way to suggestive for my kids.

But nothing even happened in that scene. Surely nothing that wouldn't even remotely qualify for an R-rating. Of course I don't have kids and usually use the R-rating as my barometer for what's ok for kids and what isn't.

[Rich Santoro]

^ I know nothing happenned, and I am not calling for an R rating... just pointing out that it is not a "family" film... My 7 year old would have been asking about what was going on (they followed him giggling and he had that look, he he left them all lying on the bed together... No biggie... but a little more than I would have wanted for my kids... more specifically, that I would have had to cook up a explanation for.

[Chewy]

Core group of Avengers: Thor, Captain America, Iron Man, Black Widow, and members of the Hulk universe, according to Kevin Feigehttp://twitter.com/elguapo1/status/2845842565

From Iron Man 2 interviews @ SDCC

[WillardNation]

hmm, must be saving the Pyms for the sequel. that kinda sucks IMO.

[spideyboy_1111]

not just kinda... that really sucks :(

[Chewy]

Well it does say "core members". They might start off more as background characters, like Fury

I'm more concerned about his vagueness regarding the Hulk

[spideyboy_1111]

well considering it says the hulk universe... i'm assuming hulk will indeed lose control, considering "hulk universe" members would consist of Betty, General Ross, and Samson.

[protocida]

Maybe Abomination and the Leader.

[spideyboy_1111]

o i forgot about the leader... could still be a MOE forming...

-Ironman villain (maybe mandarin?)
-Leader
-Abomination
-Loki
-Red Skull or Zemo, or Strucker?

[spideyboy_1111]

double post

[dcHulk]

Well it does say "core members". They might start off more as background characters, like Fury

I'm more concerned about his vagueness regarding the Hulk

I will be seriously pissed if they don't include the Hulk. I might just boycott. :bh:

[Son of Coul]

Yeah, I don't like all the Hulk vagueness at all. Also if they do Masters of Evil they shouldn't call it that, 'cause that'd be retarded since no one would actually call themselves that. Most villains believe what they're doing is right and that name would be too Saturday Morning cartoony.

[Chewy]

http://ifmagazine.com/new.asp?article=8407

Another interview with Feige from SDCC where he very specifically says Hulk will be in it.

[Gamma Goliath]

Good to hear about hulk and Norton. I really hope they do tih2, or hulk abomy and leader better have a pretty. Big. Role in avengers.

[Chewy]

In regards to the Twitter I posted above, that was apparently a summary. Here are his exact words
The quick info is it’s going to be Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, and Nick Fury for sure. He also says Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson). Since I don’t want to put words in his mouth, here’s exactly what he said after I asked him who would be in the Avengers movie?

Kevin: I think we know. It’s going to be Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Nick Fury. I think it’s safe to assume that there will be some members of the Hulk universe in the film as well. In terms of the additional, I think Black Widow for sure. SHIELD’s organization for sure. And, again, what’s exciting to me about the Avengers movie are seeing those four characters together and interact with each other. Anywhere from the first issue of the Avengers to Civil War, the dynamic between Steve Rogers and Tony Stark is awesome and fascinating. It brings out sides of the others that won’t be brought out in their own franchises. Throwing Thor into the mix is a whole other thing and I think that will be cool. So to pile in another ten or fifteen…or frankly even four…I think will be too many.

Is the Hulk in it?

Kevin: You know Zack Penn is outlining it as we speak so we’ll see.SOURCE (http://www.collider.com/2009/07/25/kevin-feige-president-of-production-at-marvel-studios-tells-you-who-is-in-the-avengers-movie/)

[Spider-ManHero12]

Wow, really cool news. Great to know Hulk will be in it.

Also, he makes some sort....hint at Invaders! Invaders, ftw!!! :up:

[Aesop Rocks]

Ethan Hawke would be a good Hawkeye.

Weird.

[Dog Brother #1]

Ethan Hawkeye? Ha. So punny. He would make a better Pym. Also, Hulk characters makes me think of Ross. It kinda bothered me in IH that Stark would go to Ross to form a team. What's the point of that? Ross was burnt out, and even if he wasn't, he's no hero. why would he be invited to the party?

[Rich Santoro]

^ he has been working the SSS research for years... he has all kinds of data. He can work the system in the DOD... He has proven to be an out of the box thinker, and willing to take huge risks to get things done. He is not very good at it... but he has the right profile for involvement in a specialized team and operation, who functions with their own set of rules.

[Aztec]

I'm not sure I'm liking the lack of commitment on Feige's part about Hulk. He NEEDS to be in this film. His character is VERY important in the origins of the Avengers, in the classic comics and The Ultimates.

[Son of Coul]

Yeah those last two links, posted on the same day, had conflicting sureness about his involvement. Someone's just gotta be forward with him and tell him people want to see Hulk despite what they might think.

[FaT_tONle]

No way Hulk won't be in this... even if Norton walks. The fact that they said "members of the Hulk universe" I am assuming it will basically feel like a Hulk sequel, so Banner will probably be one of the main characters anyway. And I think it is a good idea to save the Pyms for the sequel as they need their own movie first. Sequel line up will probably be: Wasp, Widow, Pym, Hawkeye, Cap, and MAYBE Thor with Ultron as the villain if I had to guess.

[Obi-Ron]

There was nothing in that quote that said Hulk would be in Avengers. In fact "It's safe to assume there will be some members of the Hulk universe" seems to mean that it's doubtful that he will be.

More Hulk hate from the Marvel suits. :cmad:

[FaT_tONle]

Comic Con News: DAY 3 - July 25, 2009): MARVEL'S KEVIN FEIGE WANTS A BIG SPACE EPIC BASED ON MARVEL CHARACTERS


The producer has numerous ideas for character films - CAPTAIN AMERICA, THOR, DR. STRANGE, ANT MAN, BLACK PANTHER, IRON FIST - oh yeah a little film called AVENGERS

By CARL CORTEZ and EMERSON PARKER, Contributing Writer
Published 7/25/2009

LOCATION: San Diego Comic Con

THE SKINNY: Kevin Feige, executive of Marvel feature films and producer, isn’t afraid to set his sights high on making numerous titles based on the Marvel Universe.

In fact, one of the things he yearns to do is create a ginormous space epic based on the characters that are inside of Marvel.

“I want to do a big space epic and we have the properties to do it [at Marvel],” Feige says.


But that’s not all, not by a long shot. He wants many more films based on the comic book characters as long as they do what they did with IRON MAN – make it cool so that everyone will love it and not just a niche group.

“What we did with IRON MAN, we want to do with THOR and CAPTAIN AMERICA,” Feige says. “So when AVENGERS comes out in 2012, it will be these people, THE HULK and NICK FURY coming together for the first time.”

And still that is not all. Feige has in mind a number of characters that he wants to take that people generally don’t think much of – as they have done with Whiplash in IRON MAN 2 – and make them cool. These would include DR. STRANGE, ANT MAN, BLACK PANTHER and IRON FIST.

And speaking of the HULK, any chance for another film? It would happen post-AVENGERS time frame if it happens, Feige says. And using Edward Norton again isn’t off the table. “We always like to use actors from film to film if we can.”

Right now there are two somewhat conflicting reports. Maybe he was trying to hide Hulk's involvement initially but then thought "everyone is expecting the Hulk anyhow." There is no shot they don't have Hulk involved in some capacity.

[protocida]

The Avengers will be mainly about Captain America, Iron Man, Thor and Hulk, with a little Black Widow and Nick Fury for good measure? I like that.

[FaT_tONle]

I also think it will be important to introduce Hawkeye in a SHIELD movie or his own movie before he shows up in Avengers so I like that lineup as it stands... for now.

[Obi-Ron]

I guess Feige's answer depends on what time of day you ask him.

[Dog Brother #1]

if Norton walks, which there has been no indication of anyway, I say go with Peter Sargaard.

[Son of Coul]

And using Edward Norton again isn’t off the table. “We always like to use actors from film to film if we can.”

At least he didn't totally bull***** so it seems way more likely he'll return. Not like the old, "Oh Eddy likes to do his own thing, you know, and we do ours, but it's all okay but it's not okay and we're all buds on good terms and we wish him luck."

Seems like they actually want him, so I guess it's up to Norton. Hurd did say he had a multiple picture deal in his contract.

[Venom'sDad]

I think Feige know that everyone expect Hulk to be in the Avengers film. It sounds like to me he trying to hide exactly what his role in the film is. You can't just ignore that the last we saw of Hulk, Tony stated to Ross, "I see you have a problem"... as if he's offering his help in capturing someone. ;)

BTW, I like the idea of Pym and Ultron, maybe even Vision, being in a possible sequel.

[louiebling$]

Anyone else read on the main page that little bit about Marvel owning the Skrulls?

[Dog Brother #1]

yeah, they said that they owned the rights, but gave no indication that they were gonna use them. It was the reporter who asked that. My gut says that the villain will be Loki using the Hulk as a pawn, as in the original books.

[louiebling$]

I just thoguth it was interesting that Marvel does infact own the rights,I was under the impression Fox had their rights.

[FaT_tONle]

Not like Fox was going ahead with another FF anytime soon, although you never know. I still wonder if Marvel has rights to QS/SW. That's more important.

[marvelrobbins]

It has basiclly been confirmed the lineup Is Captain America,Iron Man,Thor,and Black Widow.

We know Loki will be In the film because of the Loki being In Multiple franchises.Question Is will The Hulk just be the one The Avengers are after or If he will ultimetly work with the other heroes.

The Villians will be Loki manuilpting The Hulk or Loki Manuiplting Hulk and a
Skrull Invision.

The Hulk family probally means General Ross and possibly Leonard Sampson
will be In the film.We know James rhodes will be In the film as well.

Ant-Man could be In a sequel if marvel can ever get the Ant-man film made.
Keeping the lineup to a few members Is a good Idea.

[Chewy]

Not like Fox was going ahead with another FF anytime soon, although you never know. I still wonder if Marvel has rights to QS/SW. That's more important.
If you listen to ScarJo's new interview on the main page, she mentions that she had been talking to Marvel about possibly playing SW before she landed the BW role, so I think Marvel must own the QS/SW rights

[FaT_tONle]

Good. Emily Blunt can be in an Avenger film after all... :woot:

[spideyboy_1111]

If you listen to ScarJo's new interview on the main page, she mentions that she had been talking to Marvel about possibly playing SW before she landed the BW role, so I think Marvel must own the QS/SW rights

she being serious or joking though? it could be a joke for the mere fact they both are named "scarlet"

[Chewy]

she being serious or joking though? it could be a joke for the mere fact they both are named "scarlet"
She was being serious. She was asked what she knew about BW going into the project and she said that she had mat with Feige to discuss a number of possible roles about a year ago - Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, Blond Phantom (not sure who she was referring to here), Moon (she probably meant Moonstone)

[Dog Brother #1]

Well there is a character called Blonde Phantom, but she's like a d-list character at best, not sure why they would ever want to use her in a film before the many, many other more qualified characters. Scarlett was probably just confused.

[Dog Brother #1]

It just hit me- perhaps the Hulk universe character is Rick Jones. He would make sense as he has ties to the res of the larger Marvel U., especially Cap and the Avengers.

[spideyboy_1111]

It just hit me- perhaps the Hulk universe character is Rick Jones. He would make sense as he has ties to the res of the larger Marvel U., especially Cap and the Avengers.

except he wasn't even in the hulk movie..... :o

[Rich Santoro]

It might be that the team is being assembled to go get Hulk (thuis the involvement of TIH characters), then some other events escalate... and another villain bears his little head.

[Aztec]

If the line up for The Avengers is:

Nick Fury
Black Widow
Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Hulk

(Feige's wishy-washyness on Hulk's involvement is concerning me, but I feel enough evidence points to his involvement.)

I'll be very satisfied. That's a good mix of characters, personalities, and abilities that should make for an exciting and dynamic team. I agree with Feige that too many characters added to the mix would only dilute the focus from these main 6. The point of doing the individual films first is so that the audience doesn't have to get introduced to these characters, they already know who they are and where they stand. Thus the film then can focus on action, and more importantly, the character interactions; which should be fascinating considering how radically different these characters are from each other.

My story would be very similar to the some of the ones that have been floated around here before. I would have Loki create a distraction for the team by manipulating Hulk into thinking they are out to get him. The first half of the film should involve the other five members trying to track down and capture a rampaging Hulk. Once they do they will need to convince him to join the team and help fight the real threat.

Loki's real plan, however, would be to form an alliance with Hyrda (led by the Red Skull should he survive WWII) to conquer Earth and allow him to rule as a god among men. This would be a fitting alliance since HYDRA is composed of ex-Nazis who would likely believe in Germanic/Norse folklore of a race of aryan "supermen". Loki, as a Norse god, could step in and claim that mantle and lead them to war. Thus it would be The Avengers with the help of S.H.I.E.L.D. vs. Loki with the help of HYDRA.

[bunk]

Doesn't seem like Norton has confirmed his involvement with Marvel. Hopefully he gets on board.

[LostSon88]

He's on the fence....he wants to see where they're going with this before making any sort of decision.

"The minds of Marvel are sometimes opaque," he said. "I won't say [they're] obtuse, but I don't have any idea what they want to do."

He added that he has been kept in the dark regarding reprising his role in "The Avengers (http://www.worstpreviews.com/review.php?id=1258)," where The Hulkhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2.gif (http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=10134&count=264#) could potentially team with Iron Man, Captain America and other Marvel characters. "They've got this notion of collecting the Marvel characters," said Norton. "Who knows where they'll go?"

http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=10134&count=264

[bunk]

So... do they craft a script involving Banner/Hulk or not? There's nothing to say Norton will even be impressed with what they come up with for Hulk.

[LostSon88]

I'm willing to bet that Norton will want some creative input regarding Hulk...in fact, i'm certain of it.

That may or may not create some issues...

[Chewy]

I don't think that'd be an unreasonable request.

I'm sure they'll give RDJ and SLJ and even Hemsworth creative input, so I can't see why they'd deny Norton

[LostSon88]

I'm not saying he isn't entitled to an opinion, I just get the impression that of all the talent, he would be the biggest stickler for getting his ideas across.

And he's had a history of being really hands on with his work with re-writing elements of The Incredible Hulk and RUMORED re-cutting American History X to his liking to the point of the director himself renouncing the film.

[Aesop Rocks]

I'm willing to bet that Norton will want some creative input regarding Hulk...in fact, i'm certain of it.

That may or may not create some issues...

I wouldn't mind that at all. I would enjoy his creative input on Bruce but, not the Hulk too much.

I honeslty loved him in the last movie, almost as much as I did RDJ as Tony.

[FaT_tONle]

Doesn't seem like Norton has confirmed his involvement with Marvel. Hopefully he gets on board.

The negotiation will basically come down the the wire... ala SLJ/Rourke. Hopefully they get it done. It just won't sit well with me if RDJ is the only seasoned guy on the team. SLJ is overexposed and the public is tired of him so he barely counts.

[Docker2.0]

Hulk's going to be the 2nd tier villian for most of the movie but he's going to be controlled by Loki. The guy who's playing Loki is going to be crossing over into other Marvel movies, I read it here on SHH. :) With Loki being the main villian, it wouldn't surprise me if we saw the Wrecking Crew. He's the one who basically created those guys with the "magic" crowbar and it would make sense if we see them in this movie. I also think we will see Hawkeye in this movie as well. But those are just facts/my opinion. :o

[spideyboy_1111]

Hulk's going to be the 2nd tier villian for most of the movie but he's going to be controlled by Loki. The guy who's playing Loki is going to be crossing over into other Marvel movies, I read it here on SHH. :) With Loki being the main villian, it wouldn't surprise me if we saw the Wrecking Crew. He's the one who basically created those guys with the "magic" crowbar and it would make sense if we see them in this movie. I also think we will see Hawkeye in this movie as well. But those are just facts/my opinion. :o

you honestly think a team with magical construction/deconstruction tools would work in live action? :( there like D list villains now ...

however, absorbing man (who was created by loki i believe too) would not be..

[Aztec]

Hulk is in! Feige confirms it unambiguously thrice in this article. Awesome and informative interview with lots of new information.

Source: Ropes of Silicon
Link: http://tinyurl.com/lfvqrd

1) Yeah, they are still looking at the Hulk following the 2008 reboot starring Edward Norton that didn't exactly wow at the box-office, but hasn't been abandoned by Marvel outright. I asked Feige for confirmation of Hulk's involvement and he said, "I think he will be [in it], absolutely,"

2) "...by the time The Avengers comes in 2012 it's not just a team superhero movie with just a bunch of characters with powers, it's these three people — four including the Hulk — five including Nick Fury, that you've seen in other movies before now coming together for the very first time."

3) To this point we already know, should things work out as currently set up, Robert Downey Jr. will play Tony Stark in The Avengers, Samuel L. Jackson will play Nick Fury, Scarlett Johansson would play Black Widow and Chris Hemsworth would play Thor. That, of course, is in addition to several other supporting characters. As far as Edward Norton returning as The Hulk, Feige said, "I think there's always a chance. It's certainly our intention to use the same actors from film-to-film where we can." However, should you be anticipating an The Incredible Hulk 2 you may be waiting a longtime, that is if it happens at all, as Feige added, "That would be post-Avengers if that happened."

[protocida]

Have Loki reunite Abomination, Crimson Dynamo and MAYBE Red Skull.

[Obi-Ron]

Geez, TIH was hardly the flop they make it out to be.

[Docker2.0]

you honestly think a team with magical construction/deconstruction tools would work in live action? :( there like D list villains now ...

however, absorbing man (who was created by loki i believe too) would not be..

Wasn't Sandman D list to? *though I personally liked him and felt he should have always been bigger than what he was*

Thor's getting his own movie and his villian is Loki and they both are magical beings basically. Honestly, we have no clue how the Avengers movie will work because Marvel doesn't even know how it will. They are having problems mixing Thor in with IM and Cap.....................though I don't see how that's the case with a big green monster who fits in just fine but whatever. :o

[jadejaws]

Geez, TIH was hardly the flop they make it out to be.

(sigh)...how did everything with our favorite character end up going so wrong Ron...now we're sitting here praying like hell for cameos. F'in Iron Man becomes a bigger draw...what has the world come to.

[FaT_tONle]

You can't invest that kind of money and not even break a quarter billion. It may seem like a lot of money, but for summer tentpoles its only a fraction of what these studios need. The sequel would easily cost close to a 200 million dollar figure. That's not a smart investment. There best bet is hoping these 40-60 million dollar Dr. Strange/BP/Iron Fist films can break 100 million. That makes more sense right now. Until then, Avengers will be it for the Hulk for a while though I am crossing my fingers for a Defenders movie down the line.

[Docker2.0]

Why not do a IF tv show? All the heroes can't make the big screen and with a tv show, you will have sponsors, dvd sales, merchandising, etc, etc. Look at Smallville. I never understood why Marvel feels the need to only do movies when some of their heroes would be PERFECT for the small screen. I think a Herc/Cho tv show would be great.

[Obi-Ron]

(sigh)...how did everything with our favorite character end up going so wrong Ron...now we're sitting here praying like hell for cameos. F'in Iron Man becomes a bigger draw...what has the world come to.

I'm just hoping he's not red the next time we see him onscreen. :wow:

edit: that purple smiley looks like my avatar, ha ha.

[spideyboy_1111]

Wasn't Sandman D list to? *though I personally liked him and felt he should have always been bigger than what he was*

Thor's getting his own movie and his villian is Loki and they both are magical beings basically. Honestly, we have no clue how the Avengers movie will work because Marvel doesn't even know how it will. They are having problems mixing Thor in with IM and Cap.....................though I don't see how that's the case with a big green monster who fits in just fine but whatever. :o

any member of the sinister 6 is not D list...

personally, i think spidey villain roster would go something like this.

A-List, these are top villains who are just ruthless, and affected both his spider-man side and peter parker side and are definately his arch enemies: Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Venom

B-list, second tier, these villains have been major threats, still not considered his arch enemeis though, and are still story driven to effect alot of both sides of his life: Lizard, Kraven, Hobgoblin, Carnage, Vulture, Mysterio, Chameleon

C-List, third tier villains still have classic villains, but they usually only affect his spidey life, they have a few good stories, but mostly just fit in the "average" villain role. Electro, Scorpion, Sandman, Rhino, Shocker, etc...

D-list villains, are basically C rejects and basically the type of villains you'd find in the hood's gang, or "the bar with no name"... these include: hydro-man, boomberang, the beetle, jack-o-lantern, scarecrow, stiltman, scorcher, willow-the-wisp, shriek, spot, etc...

F-List villains are just plain losers plain and simple: leap frog, gibbon, kangaroo, grizzly, etc...

least that's how i've always seen it.

[Docker2.0]

I say they are D-list but you say they are c-list.................not much of a difference if you ask me and I love Sandman. :o Just saying it was stated numerous times that Loki would be pulling a Samuel Jackson and be appearing in numerous films, maybe even IM2, though I doubt it since we don't even know how he would look in a Thor movie yet.

[spideyboy_1111]

d-list i'snt very heard of though.. and the sin six villains are pretty heard of... its a small difference in letter, but still a big enough difference i say

[Docker2.0]

Dang it SB! You are provoking me!!! :cmad:



And to be honest with you, most of the Avengers villians are C-listers. None of them are really well known by the public. Let's be real, Xmen villians are better known that Avengers villians so I don't think the Wrecking Crew isn't that far out that to be the main baddies.

[spideyboy_1111]

Dang it SB! You are provoking me!!! :cmad:



And to be honest with you, most of the Avengers villians are C-listers. None of them are really well known by the public. Let's be real, Xmen villians are better known that Avengers villians so I don't think the Wrecking Crew isn't that far out that to be the main baddies.

indeed, spidey and X-villains are the most known... ive listed spideys... but..

X-men's most known would be...

-magneto
-apocalypse
-sinister
-mojo
-blob
-pyro
-toad
-onslaught
-lady deathstrike
-mystique
-sabretooth
-omega red
-sentinels

after that it gets really blurry.

when i think of avengers villains, the first and really only ones that instantly come to mind are...
-masters of evil
-skrulls
-kang
-ultron

after that it's just kinda individual member enemies... like..
-baron strucker
-red skull
-leader
-abomination
-absorbing man
-loki
-mandarin

with the F4... i instantly think..
-doom
-moleman
-puppet master
-galactus
-frightful 4
-terrax
-firelord
-annihilus
-blaastar

then after all those major corners, the only other major villains i can think of in the marvel universe would be..
-dormamu
-dracula

everyone else is kinda D and F listers imo

[Dog Brother #1]

you totally skipped spidey and daredevil's rogues. Certainly Green Goblin, Bullseye, Kingpin, Venom, and Doc Ock at least are up there. Also, you left out Thanos and Namor (depending on whose writing him)

[spideyboy_1111]

you totally skipped spidey and daredevil's rogues. Certainly Green Goblin, Bullseye, Kingpin, Venom, and Doc Ock at least are up there. Also, you left out Thanos and Namor (depending on whose writing him)

i skipped daredevils yeah.. which would bring kingpin and bullseye... but i didn't skip spidey. he was listed before that post.

and i forgot about thanos..

and namor imo is more of a hero then a villain, so not counting him, it'd be like counting black bolt as a villain.

[Dog Brother #1]

Yeah, I just caught the spidey bit. My bad.

[Chris B]

I'll be kind of disappointed if they don't have Ant-Man/Giant Man and the Wasp in this.

[Aztec]

I'll be kind of disappointed if they don't have Ant-Man/Giant Man and the Wasp in this.

Based upon Kevin's comments about wanting to keep the focus on the core members, I'd be surprised if they show up. Personally, I agree with him. Too many characters can be problematic. And this is coming from a guy who loved the Pyms in The Ultimates.

Let's look at who is "confirmed" to be on the team:
Iron Man
Thor
Captain America
Nick Fury
Black Widow
Hulk

That's a really good mix of characters and personalities. It even includes a proper female team member to help balance out the cast. So here you have a patriotic WWII era super soldier, a scientist turned monster who distrusts the military, an Asgardian warrior god trying to adjust to life on Earth, a deadly covert secret agent whose allegiance is always suspect, a billionaire playboy with a high tech flying suit, and the ultimate badass superspy who is trying to lead them all as a coherent team. That's a really good sample and a pretty formidable team.

[spideyboy_1111]

i'd trade black widow and nick fury for the pym's any day of the week

[Aztec]

i'd trade black widow and nick fury for the pym's any day of the week

Well you HAVE to have Nick Fury. His role in the formation of the team and its maintenance is essential.

[spideyboy_1111]

Well you HAVE to have Nick Fury. His role in the formation of the team and its maintenance is essential.

i know, but i'd still take the pyms over him lol