The Avengers:News,Speculation

[Arkady Rossovich]

Iron Man is going to be released next year,Thor and Captain America are in the works.News about these films got me to think,are we closer to having an Avengers film?

How could it be done?What do you want to be in it?Which heros should be in it?The villains,the stories?I think there should be a thread for it...put any news about a proposed Avengers film here..

As for me,i think the film should have Captain America,Iron Man,The Wasp,Thor and The Incredible Hulk.The original members..as for villains..Baron Zemo and The Masters of Evil.

Let the discussion begin..

[Blader5489]

The six founding Avengers vs. Ultron ("Ultron Unlimited" meets "I, Robot")

Tony Stark recruits Hank and Janet Pym, along with Bruce Banner, to develop a new unmanned Iron Man suit: Ultron. The prototype is deemed a success but it goes out of control, wreaking havoc and eventually escaping. Subplot deals with Hank's inferiority complex because Ultron being based on Hank's brainwaves and causing mayhem.

Stark, Banner, and the Pyms band together to face Ultron in whatever city it's rampaging. Cap and Thor, seeing the destruction, join the others in thwarting Ultron and keeping the Hulk in check.

Having escaped, Ultron creates an army of lookalikes using stolen technology from Stark Industries (or SHIELD). The army of Ultrons aim to purge the world of mankind. The six heroes band together again to repeal the army, repelling the army while Hank, having overcome his personal issues, manages to defeat the original Ultron. Having defeated the threat, Janet suggests the six of them work together more often as the Avengers. Enter cheesy, flashy final scene. Credits roll.

The end.

[KangConquers]

I really really really want Kang played by Liam Neeson as the villain for an avengers movie, but I think he might serve a sequel better than a first movie.

[Steve Rogers]

In my perfect world it would be a trilogy. In the first film, Stark wants to start the Avengers with his friends Hank and Jan. The government, i.e. Fury won't sign off on it until they can put a few millitary people on the roster. After Lt. Carol Danvers USAF declines, the Avengers look scrapped. A dejected Tony Stark goes to Norway to meet with their government to make a business deal with Stark Enterprises. While there he comes across Cap's frozen body and takes it to the states to see if Hank can replicate the super soldier syrum. This angers a local nutcase who claims to be the Norse god of thunder.

Back in the US Cap is thawed and to everyone's surprise, he's alive. Fury agrees to fund the Avengers if Cap will agree to be on the team. When he does Thor arrives claiming that no good can come of the US reclaiming its most powerful weapon. Thor only wants peace and sees the Avengers as aggressors.

Meanwhile, the Red Skull, under his alter ego of Dell Rusk is running for president. He plans to rebuild Nazi Germany here in America. And it is up to the Avengers to stop him. Because of this Thor agrees to join the team. Giant-Man, Wasp, Iron Man, Captain America and Thor= The Avengers!

The constant growin up and down messes with Hank's head and he becomes, well, a jackass. He and Jan leave the team after defeating the Skull to work on their marriage. Cap leaves to find himself in this new world while the peaceful Thor returns to Norway, leaving Tony Stark with a bunch of unanswered questions.

In the second movie, Avengers Return, NASA learns of an alien invasion headed for Earth. The Avengers are called into action so Stark recruits, Scott Lang, Wanda Maximoff and Clint Barton. Fury assigns Black Widow to the team as Cap returns to lead the team. Hank and Jan split up and Hank busies himself by working on this new Ultron robot. Stark also lobbys to get hsi attorney, Jennifer Walters on the new team.

The invasion is lead by none other than Kang who has come to Earth looking for the missing cosmic cube that he believes is somewhere in the US. He turns the nation upside down looking for it but in the end the Avengers, Cap, Iron Man, Ant-Man, Hawkeye, Scarlett Witch, Black Widow and She-Hulk stop him.

In the end, Ultro who has been loyal to Hank throughout the movie vanishes.

In the third film, Avengers Dissasembled, the Avengers are called into action to help a trapped astronaut in space. The astronaut is none other than Carol Danvers. She has been zapped by some mysterious rays and when returned to Earth is put in an isolation chamber.

Hank meanwhile has decided that he and Jan should leave the team for good. He brings in his newest invention, The Vision, to take their place.

When the Avengers wake the next morning though, things have changed. Iron Man is no longer dependent on anything syntetic to keep him alive. Cap is in his late 80's. Fury has both eyes, etc. The only person who seems to remember the past is Carol Danvers who was locked in the isolation chamber. When she comes out everyone is calling her Ms. Marvel. Confused she goes to the Avngers for answers and helsp everyone remember who they used to be. It is discovered that Wanda is to blame for the current state of things. The only answer is to kill her, but her friends won't do it.

Later it is discovered that Ultron has found the cosmic cube and has forced Wanda to do what she has done. The Avengers defeat Ultron, reclaim the cube and set everything back to normal. Hawkeye and The Vision are dead, and no one will remember the sacrifices they made.

[Silvermoth]

Captain America, Thor, Iron man, Wasp, Giantman, Wanda Maximoff and Pietro Maximoff versus the Skrulls (Its not like FF are going to use them).

Normally I'ld say they should fight the Masters of Evil but the name sounds a little silly for a feature film debut

[CaptainCanada]

Normally I'ld say they should fight the Masters of Evil but the name sounds a little silly for a feature film debut
If need be (and I agree, there is a need), come up with another name for them; the "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants" is just the "Brotherhood" in most adaptations/updates of the X-Men, and that works fine.

Based on what we know of Marvel's film plans, Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor are in, as well as Ant-Man (but the current film plans have Scott Lang in the present, which would prevent Hank Pym and Janet (at least, conventional Janet) from being on the team), and possibly the Hulk (I don't think he works as an Avenger, so I'd keep him off).

In terms of villains, Ultron would be the best choice, I think.

[KangConquers]

If need be (and I agree, there is a need), come up with another name for them; the "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants" is just the "Brotherhood" in most adaptations/updates of the X-Men, and that works fine.

Based on what we know of Marvel's film plans, Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor are in, as well as Ant-Man (but the current film plans have Scott Lang in the present, which would prevent Hank Pym and Janet (at least, conventional Janet) from being on the team), and possibly the Hulk (I don't think he works as an Avenger, so I'd keep him off).

In terms of villains, Ultron would be the best choice, I think.


I really want Kang, as I think he's a better villain than Ultron, but Ultron is definitely a lot more of a simplistic villain that's easy to understand for everyone.

[CaptainCanada]

I really want Kang, as I think he's a better villain than Ultron, but Ultron is definitely a lot more of a simplistic villain that's easy to understand for everyone.
Given that the first movie has to assemble the team, I think it's better to have a villain with a more straightforward origin, given the amount of time that putting the team together and establishing group dynamics requires. Leave Kang for a later date.

[KangConquers]

Given that the first movie has to assemble the team, I think it's better to have a villain with a more straightforward origin, given the amount of time that putting the team together and establishing group dynamics requires. Leave Kang for a later date.

Yeah...since Marvel likes movies in threes...maybe

1- Ultron
2- Masters of Evil
3- Kang

Kang demands being the center of attention too much.

Some ideas:

-Why not call the Masters of Evil the Thunderbolts? It sounds cooler.
-Also...I'd have The Masters and The Avengers team up to stop Kang...I mean Kang's a pretty huge threat when written right?
-after the 3rd movie do Thunderbolts and Young Avengers spin offs.

[Arkady Rossovich]

I would say that The Masters of Evil should be in the first film,Kang should be in the second.A good back story needs to be made first,before anything else is done.

As for the team memembers,i don't expect to see much more than the original team.

[Artistsean]

With JLA becoming a CG movie, a live action Avengers movie (done in the quality of Spider-man and Iron Man (as far as I can tell right now))
would give them a chance to look like a different movie and seperate the two Super teams.
Just a thought I had.

[Ar3d]

actually me i can't wait to see the upcoming film of iron man.. how to know whats new about that film..

[Silvermoth]

Yeah...since Marvel likes movies in threes...maybe

1- Ultron
2- Masters of Evil
3- Kang

Kang demands being the center of attention too much.

Some ideas:

-Why not call the Masters of Evil the Thunderbolts? It sounds cooler.
-Also...I'd have The Masters and The Avengers team up to stop Kang...I mean Kang's a pretty huge threat when written right?
-after the 3rd movie do Thunderbolts and Young Avengers spin offs.

I agree with the idea of the Masters being called the Thunderbolts :up:

Heres my list...
1- Skrulls
2- Masters of Evil/Thunderbolts/Liberators
3- Kang and Kree empire maybe

[CaptainStacy]

1) Loki
2) Ultron
3) Kang

[KangConquers]

1) Loki
2) Ultron
3) Kang
4) Kree Skrull War...oh yes.

[KangConquers]

1) Loki
2) Ultron
3) Kang
4) Kree Skrull War...oh yes.

Btw guys...I'm working on a Kang Dynasty script right now; it's not an origins though, it's meant as a sequel...I'll post it in the fan fic thread when it's done.

[smooth3006]

With JLA becoming a CG movie, a live action Avengers movie (done in the quality of Spider-man and Iron Man (as far as I can tell right now))
would give them a chance to look like a different movie and seperate the two Super teams.
Just a thought I had.

no one confirmed that the jla movie with be full cgi as of yet, its a rumor only. :whatever:

[strikezone89]

who care about avengers, we have JLA

[Silvermoth]

who care about avengers, we have JLA
What are you doing on an Avengers thread?

[Ironfan72]

For me my team is Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Wasp, Ant Man and Vision vs.either Ultron or Kang.
I think more than 1 villian is unnessary and could get confusing, to many people, that we have to keep up with.
I know that Jon Favreau said that Iron Man 3 was being considered as the launching point for Avengers, with Stark recruiting and founding the Avengers, but that was before they started filming Iron Man, it seems Marvel's time table has speed up.

[redlion2]

I would like to see an Avengers film featuring Ultron as the main villain. More than anything though, I hope it's a quality film and not something just thrown together.

I think Marvel is following the best route by establishing the heroes in their own respective solo films first before bringing them all together as a team. By doing this, and having the same actors play their heroic characters in an ensemble film helps cement continuity and creates a Marvel Universe on film.

[Arkady Rossovich]

I think it's fairly doubtful Ultron will be the villain in the first film,i bet the film will follow the comics..and either Loki,Baron Zemo and the Masters of Evil or Kang will be the villain in the first film.

[KangConquers]

I've done this poll before, but I had way too many options. This time I've narrowed it down to just three.


Kang
Masters of Evil
Ultron

Your choice?


edit: **** I forgot to add a poll...anyway to add it retroactively?

[3dman27]

masters of evil

[Ironfan72]

Ultron

[Steve Rogers]

Have the Red Skull as the villain in the first movie, since if it involves Cap being thawed out by the Avengers, I assume he would be the focal point of the story. If Cap is your main guy you have to have the Skull. Save Kang for a big over the top sequel. Start small and build your way higher. Kang would be a great villain for the final film in the series I think.

[Obi-Ron]

Of the three, Ultron. But Loki would be my first choice.

[KangConquers]

I really want Kang but...I can see how he needs to be done last.

[Geolion1]

How about RedSkull?:D

[GNR]

Someone whose goal isn't to take over the world.

[Steve Rogers]

Someone whose goal isn't to take over the world. And that would be.......who?

[Hypestyle]

Masters of evil:
Count Nefaria (leader)

Whirlwind
Blacklash
Ultron
Electro
Titania
Mr. Hyde

[Blader5489]

Ultron

The damn thing practically writes itself, without getting too cheesy (like Kang or especially the Masters of Evil).

[Upset Spideyfan]

Avengers 1: Loki
Avengers 2: Ultron
Avengers 3: Kang

[Damiean Dark]

I would rather they went the route of the nimated film where they are just forming together and have to battle the Hulk.

[bored]

Ultron

[RaZaTrOn]

I think Masters of Evil

Either way the film should show the construction of ultron for a second film so he can be the villain and vision can be introduced.

And it should also show the hulk and them uniting to stop him aswell as trying to fight the bad guys.


You think one of the later films should deal with the dis-assembly of the Avengers spawning a new film The New Avengers?

[KangConquers]

Avengers 1:

- A group of terrorists, the Thunderbolts, lead by Baron Zemo and consisting of Radioactive Man, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, The Beetle, and Songbird
- Nick Fury and The Black Widow get together a team of heroes a'la Ultimates.

Avengers 2:

- Ultron would be the villain.
- T'Challa would join the Avengers to help fight Ultron.
- Hawkeye and The Maximoff siblings defect to the Avengers during this movie.
- The Vision would seemingly be created by Ultron, but we find out in movie 3....


Avengers 3:

- Ultron was being manipulated by Kang.
- Kang comes into the past searching for his love interest, Ravonna, who fled to the 21st century to try to avoid marrying Kang.
- Kang realizes that he's the descendant of Tony Stark (instead of Reed Richards, since Reed wouldn't be involved in the continuity,) and captures Tony in order to prevent his death in his upcoming invasion of the 21st Century.
- The Thunderbolts Team up with the Avengers to stave off Kang's huge invasion.

It's a tough situation, because the Avengers are one team that you have to wait for the 3rd movie to do their biggest villain.

[Blader5489]

It's a tough situation, because the Avengers are one team that you have to wait for the 3rd movie to do their biggest villain.

It's especially tough since the Avengers probably won't have more than one film. :oldrazz:

[Docker2.0]

Avengers 1:

- A group of terrorists, the Thunderbolts, lead by Baron Zemo and consisting of Radioactive Man, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, The Beetle, and Songbird
- Nick Fury and The Black Widow get together a team of heroes a'la Ultimates.

Avengers 2:

- Ultron would be the villain.
- T'Challa would join the Avengers to help fight Ultron.
- Hawkeye and The Maximoff siblings defect to the Avengers during this movie.
- The Vision would seemingly be created by Ultron, but we find out in movie 3....


Avengers 3:

- Ultron was being manipulated by Kang.
- Kang comes into the past searching for his love interest, Ravonna, who fled to the 21st century to try to avoid marrying Kang.
- Kang realizes that he's the descendant of Tony Stark (instead of Reed Richards, since Reed wouldn't be involved in the continuity,) and captures Tony in order to prevent his death in his upcoming invasion of the 21st Century.
- The Thunderbolts Team up with the Avengers to stave off Kang's huge invasion.

It's a tough situation, because the Avengers are one team that you have to wait for the 3rd movie to do their biggest villain.you freaking Kang lover! :cmad:

I like your movie plans though! :up:

[KangConquers]

It's especially tough since the Avengers probably won't have more than one film. :oldrazz:

Don't bet on it. If Avengers is big, they'll probably curb the solo movies to make more avengers movies.

It'll be easier to do multiple avengers movies than for one company to juggle sequels for 5 franchises. Easier to stick them all in one movie every other year, with off-years being solo films for more avengers and the occasional sequel.

[KangConquers]

you freaking Kang lover! :cmad:

I like your movie plans though! :up:

What's wrong with Kang, he's only the best Avengers villain. :oldrazz:

[Docker2.0]

I agree! He is! I think he should be done in the 2nd film though. First one should be Ultron, not the Hulk. Remember, Loki is Thor's villian, who should be the villian in his movie, and Ultron after he upgrades himself would make a better villian in the first one.

[KangConquers]

I agree! He is! I think he should be done in the 2nd film though. First one should be Ultron, not the Hulk. Remember, Loki is Thor's villian, who should be the villian in his movie, and Ultron after he upgrades himself would make a better villian in the first one.

Ultron is a little more connected to the Avengers, and is a little less...epic.

You can't do a movie with Kang for under 150 million...which is why they should wait till later movies, by then the technology would be to the point where they could do Star Wars Prequel quality effects for under a zillion dollars.

[srnrew]

Zemo and The Masters of Evil:

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/avengers/6-1.jpg

[bored]

Avengers 1:

- A group of terrorists, the Thunderbolts, lead by Baron Zemo and consisting of Radioactive Man, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, The Beetle, and Songbird
- Nick Fury and The Black Widow get together a team of heroes a'la Ultimates.

Avengers 2:

- Ultron would be the villain.
- T'Challa would join the Avengers to help fight Ultron.
- Hawkeye and The Maximoff siblings defect to the Avengers during this movie.
- The Vision would seemingly be created by Ultron, but we find out in movie 3....


Avengers 3:

- Ultron was being manipulated by Kang.
- Kang comes into the past searching for his love interest, Ravonna, who fled to the 21st century to try to avoid marrying Kang.
- Kang realizes that he's the descendant of Tony Stark (instead of Reed Richards, since Reed wouldn't be involved in the continuity,) and captures Tony in order to prevent his death in his upcoming invasion of the 21st Century.
- The Thunderbolts Team up with the Avengers to stave off Kang's huge invasion.

It's a tough situation, because the Avengers are one team that you have to wait for the 3rd movie to do their biggest villain.


I like this one, actually. Only thing is I'd figure out the initial line-up. Go for Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Pym, the Wasp, and one or two others, like Ms. Marvel or Falcon. And I'd have Hawkeye and the twins join at the end of the first movie, as part of the climax, like maybe Zemo leaves them to die for whatever reason.

[KangConquers]

Steve Rogers actually brought up a great idea in a conversation we had recently. He mentioned how the cosmic cube could be used as the cohesive glue for the movies.

So instead of Kang coming back to find Ravonna, he comes back looking for the cosmic cube to restore Ravonna's life.

It makes a lot more sense for a guy who has everything to come looking for a device to restore his lost love (plus give him Godhood on the side) than to come looking for a green and fertile land to conquer. People won't buy that at the movies.

[IronLion]

general consensus has Kang being left for the third film, but i feel it must be Loki must be invoved in the first one. wont probably happen because he will be a mjor part of the Thor film. start of with skull. thats what i think.

[KangConquers]

general consensus has Kang being left for the third film, but i feel it must be Loki must be invoved in the first one. wont probably happen because he will be a mjor part of the Thor film. start of with skull. thats what i think.

Red Skull is not much of an avengers villain. He's a Captain America villain.


I've also changed my mind about how I want the movies done.


Avengers 1: The Masters of Evil
Avengers 2: Kang + Ultron
Avengers 3: Kree Skrull War.

All of the problems revolving around the cosmic cube.

[Nighthawk_Fan]

I'd say Ultron,
Hands down :hyper:

I agree.

[Joker's Lackey]

I would like to see to see the Liberators from the Last arc the Ulitmates had.
With a Few changes.

Red Skull instead of The Colonel (Abdul Al-Rahman).
Quicksliver and Scarlet Witch instead of Abomination and Hurricane.
Black Widow as a Double Agent working against the Liberators.
No Perun or The Schizoid Man.
Have the Liberators steal the Ultron plans instead of Hank Pym working for them.

The Final team would be...
Loki - Evan Keep the angle where he is trying to make Thor look crazy.
Played By Mads Mikkelsen
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Red Skull
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Quick Silver
Played By James Marsters
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Scarlet Witch (no choas magic stuff)
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Crimson Dynamo(Alex Nevsky)
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Ultron or an Army of Ultrons.
CG - Voiced by whoever does Hank Pym with a Robotic effect to it.

[srnrew]

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/avengers/125-3.jpg

How bout a being like Thanos to bring superheros together?

[Arkady Rossovich]

Bump for discussion.

[KangConquers]

Kang had better make into one of the Avengers movies

[Blader5489]

I think it's fairly doubtful Ultron will be the villain in the first film,i bet the film will follow the comics..

Considering the writer is Zak Penn? I doubt it.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

After all the admiration Penn has shown towards the Ultimates comics as well as the Hulk, I really wouldn't be surprised if he just kept it simple- the Hulk proves to be a threat to the public, and the first official mission is to stop him. I could see Captain America, Nick Fury, Iron Man, Thor, Wasp, Henry Pym, and the occasional Hulk appearance in the roster.

They could forseeably make the Liberators or Chitauri the main foes, but I'm not one of the people putting his hopes up for a pure 616 movie. The general public isn't familiar with foes like Kang or Ultron enough for them to be synonymous with the team, and even though this begins as our wet dream it ultimately ends up as Marvel's money put on the line.

[KangConquers]

what the hell are the Chitauri? I don't read that Ultimate stuff...

And besides, how are the Chitauri any bigger of a draw than Kang or Ultron?

[bored]

Chitauri are Ultimate Skrulls.

Btw, Ultron for the first villain. Kang can come later. He's too big to be the first villain.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

Kang is popular in the comic universe, but his machinations can only go so far. He needs to be presented as the next big threat, if you're really going to bring him in, so his plans can be set in motion for a sequel's timeframe. For the beginning, a difficult singular threat or an invasion by the Chitauri/Liberators is probably what they'll lean towards. The budget is going to be big enough with all of these characters in the same film as it is.

I don't really see Ultron being worked in for a first movie unless they show Pym having completed him for the most part in advance. Pym might come off as a bit of a plot device if he's shrinking/growing and making highly advanced robots at the same time.

[bullets]

i'm not too specific on a line up but you gotta have the cap and iron man together .

[KangConquers]

Kang is popular in the comic universe, but his machinations can only go so far. He needs to be presented as the next big threat, if you're really going to bring him in, so his plans can be set in motion for a sequel's timeframe. For the beginning, a difficult singular threat or an invasion by the Chitauri/Liberators is probably what they'll lean towards. The budget is going to be big enough with all of these characters in the same film as it is.

I don't really see Ultron being worked in for a first movie unless they show Pym having completed him for the most part in advance. Pym might come off as a bit of a plot device if he's shrinking/growing and making highly advanced robots at the same time.

Why can't they do the Kree instead of the Chitauri?

[bored]

Chitauri can be presented as sinister far more easily. A good monster invasion would work better for a movie like this than an army of humanoid aliens.

[Artistsean]

The JLA film is not going to be CG, only a few scenes.
Plus it is coming out first, as far as I can tell (they are really pushing it to come out soon.)

So whatever the Avengers film does, it needs to be different enought to get peoples attention (both the comic fans and non comic fans).

I don't want them to, however, see what JLA does and go the opposite direction.
(for example) If JLA is more like the comic, sort of super heroish and out there with the costumes and stories, I don't want the Avengers to become like the X-men and have them be in leather uniforms or have them try to be realistic and what not.
I also wouldn't want to see the story become too dark and edgy or anything (even if JLA is lighter in tone).

I also would hope that they stay truer to the original Avengers comic rather than update anything to be like the Ultimates or Ultimate Avengers.

[Penguin]

i cant wait til JLA comes out:woot:

[KangConquers]

The JLA film is not going to be CG, only a few scenes.
Plus it is coming out first, as far as I can tell (they are really pushing it to come out soon.)

So whatever the Avengers film does, it needs to be different enought to get peoples attention (both the comic fans and non comic fans).

I don't want them to, however, see what JLA does and go the opposite direction.
(for example) If JLA is more like the comic, sort of super heroish and out there with the costumes and stories, I don't want the Avengers to become like the X-men and have them be in leather uniforms or have them try to be realistic and what not.
I also wouldn't want to see the story become too dark and edgy or anything (even if JLA is lighter in tone).

I also would hope that they stay truer to the original Avengers comic rather than update anything to be like the Ultimates or Ultimate Avengers.

I think the solo movies should determine the tone of the Avengers movie; in particular I think Cap, Iron Man, and Nick Fury will go a long way to determining the tone of the movie.

The more I think about it the more I think there has to be elements of the Ultimates in the team. There has to be inter-team drama to make the story compelling, instead of just a bunch of superheroes sitting around waiting to fight evil.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

Why can't they do the Kree instead of the Chitauri?

You say po-tay-to, I say po-ta-toe (though I don't). The Kree could work just as well, though Hollywood favors the less human options in intergalactic tyranny to run with 9 times out of 10.

[KangConquers]

You say po-tay-to, I say po-ta-toe (though I don't). The Kree could work just as well, though Hollywood favors the less human options in intergalactic tyranny to run with 9 times out of 10.

No...it's not an either or choice...the Kree have 40 years worth of history, characters, and tie ins. The Chitauri don't.

It's a chance to recognize marvel's heritage, of which the Chitauri aren't a part of.

[KangConquers]

btw the lineup has to be:

Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Giant Man
Wasp
Black Widow
Nick Fury (as their liason in SHIELD)

Hulk/ Banner would be involved as well in some capacity.

You can add a few new avengers in sequels...but I don't want it to expand to hell like X-Men did.

Hawkeye, The Maximoff Twins, and Vision are the only ones I'm itching to see join the team, other than the ones above.

Black Panther can be in the Avengers, but more as a reserve member; I'd be more interested in seeing them focus on T'Challa in his own movie series.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

No...it's not an either or choice...the Kree have 40 years worth of history, characters, and tie ins. The Chitauri don't.

It's a chance to recognize marvel's heritage, of which the Chitauri aren't a part of.

In the end, it's a name. Gah-Lak-Tus didn't change the fact that it was Galactus in the Ultimate Universe, however hideous the changes to his appearance were. They can draw upon the Kree backhistory and still call them Chitauri. It may not work for diehard fans, but 90% of the general audience doesn't fall into that category. They may call them the Kree, but I wouldn't be surprised if they went with the updates to them.

With the Hulk having an origin that's Ultimate for the most part in his next film, the reality that the Ultimate comics are going to come to the forefront looms upon us.

[KangConquers]

In the end, it's a name. Gah-Lak-Tus didn't change the fact that it was Galactus in the Ultimate Universe, however hideous the changes to his appearance were. They can draw upon the Kree backhistory and still call them Chitauri. It may not work for diehard fans, but 90% of the general audience doesn't fall into that category. They may call them the Kree, but I wouldn't be surprised if they went with the updates to them.

With the Hulk having an origin that's Ultimate for the most part in his next film, the reality that the Ultimate comics are going to come to the forefront looms upon us.

As long as Ronan is their *****in' leader...that's fine.

I think we'll see a mixture...I mean, look at the Ultimate Avengers animated movies...yeah it's mostly ultimates...but for example, Cap is 616 Cap in terms of personality...he's not this big jerk.

As I've said before in other threads, I don't mind updates...but there are certain things that have to stay the same.

[Steve Rogers]

Kang had better make into one of the Avengers movies
Who? :cwink:

[Master Blaster]

and possibly the Hulk (I don't think he works as an Avenger, so I'd keep him off).

Come on! Hulk was one of the founding members of the the Avengers! He's just gotta be in it! :csad:

[KangConquers]

Who? :cwink:

I'll end you Rogers.:cmad:

[Artistsean]

I think the solo movies should determine the tone of the Avengers movie; in particular I think Cap, Iron Man, and Nick Fury will go a long way to determining the tone of the movie.

The more I think about it the more I think there has to be elements of the Ultimates in the team. There has to be inter-team drama to make the story compelling, instead of just a bunch of superheroes sitting around waiting to fight evil.

What I meant was re imagining their origins and costumes and aadditudes like the Ultimates or Ultimate Avengers. There is that drama in the regular Avengers. I just don't want to see Thor become a guy who might just be a human who thinks he is Thor, that sort of thing.

But you are right, Iron Man, Captain America, Ant Man, whatever movies come first will determin the Avengers.

If we look at what we know currently, John Favero (spelling?) is making Iron Man and it looks great and true to the comic with some updates.
Edgar Wright (spelling?) is making Ant Man, last I heard, and he has made Shawn of the Dead and Hot Fuzz so his Ant Man has a good chance of being along those lines of funny but actiony too.

So I think Avengers stands a chance at being very true to the comic with characters that are very different from one another.

This might actually make it stand out from JLA (which I am also looking forward to).
JLA is a solo film, not connected to the previous Batman or Superman films.
Avengers, occording to what Favero wanted, is a sequal to Iron Man and probably a sequal to Captain America and/or Ant Man. So it will connect to those films.

[KangConquers]

I was reading Ultimates recently...Nick Fury cast the team for a movie as:

Nick Fury- Samuel Jackson
Captain America- Brad Pitt
Iron Man- Johnny Depp
Giant Man- Matthew Macaughnahey
Wasp- Lucy Liu

of course this is the type of casting that would've given us Triple H as Thor *Pukes*

[Arkady Rossovich]

I would not go as far as to say that the Avengers would be brought to the movies intact,like it was said before..some things might be changed or edited.The Galactus from FF2 was a horrible example of this.

The more i think of it,the more i see a modern Avengers.Not the classic Stan Lee and Jack Kirby version,especially since Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk are comming out next year..so these images will be in the minds of people who expect to see something similar to that.

[marcvader]

I just want a well thought out/well made movie with Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Wasp, and Giant Man getting equal time unlike the Xfranchise

[Blader5489]

Kang had better make into one of the Avengers movies

Kang is way too ridiculous to be in a live action film.

[redlion2]

I like the idea of the Kree-Skrull War on screen. The only thing though is that is too epic a story arc to be told in one film. With extremely good makeup and prosthetic work, humanoid looking aliens can work, as long as the Kree don't end up looking like completely normal humans with blue body paint.

[KangConquers]

Kang is way too ridiculous to be in a live action film.

Bull****. He'd be awesome in a live action film.

You can't have the Avengers in a movie without their top villain. I'm aware The Avengers don't have a top villain the way the FF do, but Kang's the closest they've got. He should be included.

It's thinking like that that has kept a lot of marvel movies, staid, boring, and ultimately forgettable.

[Rorschach II]

Bull****. He'd be awesome in a live action film.

You can't have the Avengers in a movie without their top villain. I'm aware The Avengers don't have a top villain the way the FF do, but Kang's the closest they've got. He should be included.

It's thinking like that that has kept a lot of marvel movies, staid, boring, and ultimately forgettable.

I couldn't agree more. If Kang is handled somewhat like Zod was in Superman II, he could become quite a memorable and popular villain in the eyes of movie audiences.

I also agree about inter-team drama being essential to a good film. I know there's some people (a lot of people, actually) that want every superhero film to be a special fx extravaganza...basically a two hour fight scene. I'm not one of them.

[KangConquers]

I couldn't agree more. If Kang is handled somewhat like Zod was in Superman II, he could become quite a memorable and popular villain in the eyes of movie audiences.

I also agree about inter-team drama being essential to a good film. I know there's some people (a lot of people, actually) that want every superhero film to be a special fx extravaganza...basically a two hour fight scene. I'm not one of them.

Agreed.

[Blader5489]

Bull****. He'd be awesome in a live action film.

You can't have the Avengers in a movie without their top villain. I'm aware The Avengers don't have a top villain the way the FF do, but Kang's the closest they've got. He should be included.

It's thinking like that that has kept a lot of marvel movies, staid, boring, and ultimately forgettable.

The whole premise behind someone like Kang is just too out there, IMO. The inherent suspension of disbelief is just too great for audiences to swallow if the film is trying to make a halfway decent attempt at grounding itself in reality. The same goes for the Kree-Skrull War (which is about a hundred times more outlandish for a live action film).

The General Zod example is different because Superman himself is from space, so Zod doesn't require any further suspension of disbelief.

That's why I think Ultron would be the perfect villain: it represents a threat the necessitates the formation of the Avengers without getting too cartoony.

[KangConquers]

The whole premise behind someone like Kang is just too out there, IMO. The inherent suspension of disbelief is just too great for audiences to swallow if the film is trying to make a halfway decent attempt at grounding itself in reality. The same goes for the Kree-Skrull War (which is about a hundred times more outlandish for a live action film).

The General Zod example is different because Superman himself is from space, so Zod doesn't require any further suspension of disbelief.

That's why I think Ultron would be the perfect villain: it represents a threat the necessitates the formation of the Avengers without getting too cartoony.

Ultron is too typical of a villain; a run through on the artificial intelligence debate and the sort of I, Robot stuff that's been done 100 times.

Kang on the other hand, offers a challenge unique to the franchise.

You just have him come from the future looking for the cosmic cube so he can control all time and space. Works for me.

Besides we'll have a Norse Thundergod, a 98 year old WW2 hero, a Jade giant, and two people with size changing abilities. If people stick around long enough for that, suspension of disbelief involving Kang won't take as much.

[redlion2]

I'm not about to go out on a limb and say that some of these concepts would be too unrealistic for an audience to enjoy. I think it's a matter of respect. If the creators would treat the properties with the proper respect, the audience will too. IMO.

Fantastic Four: ROTSS proved you could mix the sci-fi element with the superhero genre. Irregardless of the quality of the film itself (purely subjective) it introduced the concept of a silver covered alien as well as a world devouring entity. Superheroes are fantastical by nature and the audience already accepts this going in. What's so bizarre about having Kang as the villain? The guy is a time traveller who uses futuristic technology. All you have to do is surround him in mystery, create a sense of great power and since you have to have Iron man in an Avenger's film to begin with, sporting advanced tech, it would go a long way in cementing Kang to the Avengers' universe.

Let's face it, Kang is no harder to believe than a killer robot with artificial intelligence.

[KangConquers]

I'm not about to go out on a limb and say that some of these concepts would be too unrealistic for an audience to enjoy. I think it's a matter of respect. If the creators would treat the properties with the proper respect, the audience will too. IMO.

Fantastic Four: ROTSS proved you could mix the sci-fi element with the superhero genre. Irregardless of the quality of the film itself (purely subjective) it introduced the concept of a silver covered alien as well as a world devouring entity. Superheroes are fantastical by nature and the audience already accepts this going in. What's so bizarre about having Kang as the villain? The guy is a time traveller who uses futuristic technology. All you have to do is surround him in mystery, create a sense of great power and since you have to have Iron man in an Avenger's film to begin with, sporting advanced tech, it would go a long way in cementing Kang to the Avengers' universe.

Let's face it, Kang is no harder to believe than a killer robot with artificial intelligence.

Or a symbiote with giant gnashing teeth...

Or a guy who can turn himself into sand.

Come to think of it, Kang seems pretty damn likely compared to those guys.

[Steve Rogers]

The whole premise behind someone like Kang is just too out there, IMO. The inherent suspension of disbelief is just too great for audiences to swallow if the film is trying to make a halfway decent attempt at grounding itself in reality.

But a woman who can shrink and grow wings, a Norse thunder God, a Super Soldier, a man who talks to ants, a man wearin a giant armor pacemaker...this is all believable?

[KangConquers]

But a woman who can shrink and grow wings, a Norse thunder God, a Super Soldier, a man who talks to ants, a man wearin a giant armor pacemaker...this is all believable?

Exactly..as long as we're being ridiculous, we might as well have an equally ridiculous villain.

That being said, I'd prefer to save Kang for a sequel. That way we can do Masters of Evil first, and have Zemo and co team up as the Thunderbolts to help the Avengers.

Either way, Kang would be awesome in a movie; sure he needs his costume redesigned, but still he's the consumate bad ass.

Besides, the mind games Kang can play are on par with Loki; think about it. He can claim to be the son of Tony Stark and Janet Van Dyne, which would cause huge friction between Stark and Pym. He could also bring back Bucky to fight Cap as a member of the legion of the unliving (unless they go with the winter soldier route in the movies.)

In truth there's no limit to the havoc Kang could unleash on the Avengers and the world at large.

Kang is like Red Skull, Doctor Doom, and Galactus rolled up into one. He's a genius tactician, a master of science, and a world threat (not to mention a complete bad ass with a broadsword).

So yeah...that's why I think Kang would be great.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

Venom and the Sandman (though I sort of wish I didn't have to mention the latter) have visual appeal. They can do things to the hero in a very brutal manner. Kang is from an era where sophistication could be appreciated. In this modern era, I think it may prove to be difficult to adapt his brand of malice...not because it can't work, but because there's just so much room to make him a joke.

[KangConquers]

Venom and the Sandman (though I sort of wish I didn't have to mention the latter) have visual appeal. They can do things to the hero in a very brutal manner. Kang is from an era where sophistication could be appreciated. In this modern era, I think it may prove to be difficult to adapt his brand of malice...not because it can't work, but because there's just so much room to make him a joke.

Kang is a very old school villain, but I think the time is right to unleash that sort of movie. If you read critical reviews and such, people are sick of seeing really shallow, boring, and dumbed down comic book movies.

Kang has the potential to be everything Doom wasn't in the FF films...that's potential I'd like to see them cash in on.

As for visual appeal...Kang in a new costume with his powers would be awesome. The special effects from his suit are tremendous.

[Arkady Rossovich]

I would think that Kang could be done right,he is basically like a futureistic Dr.Doom..which i think was the point when the character was created.But it's like redlion2 said,if you stay loyal to the comics..you will get a good story and a good responce from movie viewers..comic readers or not.

To have something new,i would think besides Kang and the Masters Of Evil..i would think The Wrecking Crew would be a good foe for the Avengers..especially if it's done right.

[KangConquers]

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x137/denimelectric/LiamNeesonasKang.jpg

While we're talking Kang, I think Liam Neeson is the best choice.

[srnrew]

Here's a few more choices:
http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/avengers-1998/19-1.jpg

1.Ultron

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/avengers-1998/34-1.jpg

2.Count Nefaria

[3dman27]

[QUOTE=srnrew;13028662]Here's a few more choices:
http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/avengers-1998/19-1.jpg

1.Ultron

/QUOTE]

ultron looks like the jack o lantern from hell on that cover

[redlion2]

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x137/denimelectric/LiamNeesonasKang.jpg

While we're talking Kang, I think Liam Neeson is the best choice.

Yeah....I could see that working and I am definately a fan of his work.

[Blader5489]

While we're talking Kang, I think Liam Neeson is the best choice.

Considering he has already done comic book villain, I seriously doubt he would want to play Kang.

[KangConquers]

Considering he has already done comic book villain, I seriously doubt he would want to play Kang.

Oh, wow...I didn't know that Liam Neeson's spokesperson posted on the Superhero Hype!!! :wow:

[Docker2.0]

Actually, I can see Kang being the villian in the first film. The 2nd villian being Ultron and 3rd being Thanos. Kang can be a complex character, being a time traveling conqueror trying to train his son to follow in his footsteps, kind of like a sympathic villian. I can definetly see it working. Heck, I can even see Count Nefarious being the main villian, Kingpin style being the head of a Masters of Evil AKA Thunderbolts.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Thanos?I think that might be a bit far fetched,but..if you want to look at things in a wide scope..then he's fine.I can sort of see a improvised Infinity Gauntlet story and such,but it can easily go downhill also.

[Docker2.0]

Far fetched? A god of thunder in NYC is far fetched! Thanos, if done right, can rock on screen. Plus he can be the threat that none of them can handle alone. Better to get him on screen before WB gets Darkseid on screen anyway.

[KangConquers]

Thanos should go to Silver Surfer imo.

It's like Kingpin with Spider-Man; yeah it'd be cool, but Daredevil needs Kingpin a whole hell of a lot more than Spidey does.

Similarly..Silver Surfer needs Thanos.

[TromaFreak64]

Whispers have been heard from Zak that the basis of the Avengers film may be from the Ultimates comics.... Which would make sense... Based on the way they are building some of the characters in the Marvel produced movies...

It could be something like the Liberators...

[Steve Rogers]

I'm going to be super pissed if this becomes an Ultimates movie.

[KangConquers]

Agreed. I don't mind some Ultimate elements (racial redistribution for example) but at the same time, I want the Avengers fighting Kang, Baron Zemo, Loki, Ultron...not the Faux-skrulls and faux-masters of evil.

[Steve Rogers]

Agreed. I don't mind some Ultimate elements (racial redistribution for example) but at the same time, I want the Avengers fighting Kang, Baron Zemo, Loki, Ultron...not the Faux-skrulls and faux-masters of evil.
I don't mind elements from the Ultimates either, what I don't want is the characterization from the Ultimates. Tony treating Jarvis like garbage...Cap beating the s**t out of Hank...stuff like that I can do with out. And you know where I stand on Samuel L. Jackson and Ultimate Nick Fury, Kang.

[KangConquers]

I don't mind elements from the Ultimates either, what I don't want is the characterization from the Ultimates. Tony treating Jarvis like garbage...Cap beating the s**t out of Hank...stuff like that I can do with out. And you know where I stand on Samuel L. Jackson and Ultimate Nick Fury, Kang.

He can still be regular Nick Fury and be Black, Steve.

While we're on it, how would you feel about an Asian Wasp?

[Noir]

Loki damnit :cmad:

[darthlaney]

Korvac

[odiin]

It should probably be Lex Luthor.

[Noir]

It should probably be Lex Luthor.
The Avengers could fight the Kryptonite island!

[KangConquers]

Korvac

Korvac is too powerful at this point.


I think depending on how many Avengers movies there are...there should be a gradual progression upto a Korvac type threat.

1. Masters of Evil
2. Ultron
3. Kang

and then if they do a second trilogy send the Avengers into Space; have them fight in the Kree/ Skrull war...Thanos, Korvac etc.

[Otto Octavius]

Masters of Evil!

[Steve Rogers]

He can still be regular Nick Fury and be Black, Steve.

While we're on it, how would you feel about an Asian Wasp?He could be, which would be even worse. If they are going to cast the Ultimate Nick Fury look-a-like, they should cast him as Ultimate Nick Fury and not 616 Nick Fury. I'm not complaining about the color, I am complaining about the character. General Nick Fury in his Class A's is a whiny government pawn. Colonel Nick Fury of S.H.I.E.L.D. in his blue and white tactical uniform is a hardcore rogue like character that will do what is right before what he is told. 616 Fury would kick Ultimate Fury's ass in a hearbeat if they met. What make's Fury's look cool, is he is the cliched, grizzled, cigar chomping, career soldier. I think he's iconic. Why change him?

I don't like Ultimate Wasp as much as 616 Wasp, but it has nothing to do with her ethnicity. Wasp has been a leader on the team. I can't picture Ultimate Wasp running a hot dog stand. No way she can run the Avengers. I don't recall this being adressed in the Ultimates (but maybe it was) but if she's Asian, why is her last name still Dutch?

[KangConquers]

He could be, which would be even worse. If they are going to cast the Ultimate Nick Fury look-a-like, they should cast him as Ultimate Nick Fury and not 616 Nick Fury. I'm not complaining about the color, I am complaining about the character. General Nick Fury in his Class A's is a whiny government pawn. Colonel Nick Fury of S.H.I.E.L.D. in his blue and white tactical uniform is a hardcore rogue like character that will do what is right before what he is told. 616 Fury would kick Ultimate Fury's ass in a hearbeat if they met. What make's Fury's look cool, is he is the cliched, grizzled, cigar chomping, career soldier. I think he's iconic. Why change him?

I don't like Ultimate Wasp as much as 616 Wasp, but it has nothing to do with her ethnicity. Wasp has been a leader on the team. I can't picture Ultimate Wasp running a hot dog stand. No way she can run the Avengers. I don't recall this being adressed in the Ultimates (but maybe it was) but if she's Asian, why is her last name still Dutch?

I think she's half-Asian. She has blue eyes too.

[Steve Rogers]

I think she's half-Asian. She has blue eyes too.Oh. So Professor Van Dyne had yellow fever. Okay. I didn't realize she was only half Asian.

[Iceburgeruk]

Masters of evil w/Zemo. (Start with them it makes for a believable reason why you would need the world`s mightiest heroes to team up)
Ultron (Introduce vision. Classic ultron not nudewoman ultron thanks)
Kang

[KangConquers]

Just a random question...how would you guys do Kang's costume?

[Armored Avenger]

I want Ultron for the Avengers villian! And if they base it on the new Ultron from Mighty Avengers then it will give the movie a different kind of villian than the standard evil robot or superpowered strongman. And it would also give the movie some sex appeal, having a nude woman as the main villain.

[Iceburgeruk]

I want Ultron for the Avengers villian! And if they base it on the new Ultron from Mighty Avengers then it will give the movie a different kind of villian than the standard evil robot or superpowered strongman. And it would also give the movie some sex appeal, having a nude woman as the main villain.


God that would suck. If that is so why not have the sinister six as hot chicks? Or why not the avengers as nude women? It is ridiculous to me.

Quick question which is more threatening looking?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/59/Ultronunleashed.jpg
Or
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/Femaleultron.PNG
?

The nude woman look is so unoriginal and it makes no sense for the character. How do you have a serious scene where a nude woman says she wants to destroy all imperfect organic life? A robot saying that makes sense and is threatening. A naked woman saying that is laughable and silly, i mean a naked woman is as fleshy and organic as you can get.

Besides being a woman the avengers would never be allowed to beat her up. Watch the charlies angels or lara croft movies to see what i mean. You couldn`t have cap smack her in the face with a shield could you? You`d just have a load of unrealistic martial arts and the censors would dictate that the avengers would be unable to attack her in any vicious way.

Also you could not have a nude woman in a pg-13 flick.

Also the origin would just confuse a lot of people. So Hank Pym built a robot with his brain patterns. And this robot looks and acts like a woman. Disturbing revelations about Pym`s sexuality anyone?

Classic ultron is scary and imnteresting. His belief that all fleshy organic life is inferior makes him a potent threat. He cannot be reasoned with and he will stop at nothing to kill all mankind and replace us all with souless machines. The features of his face are emotionless and lack in any hint of sympathy or compassion evoking our fears of where artificial intelligence could lead.

Mighty Avengers ultron is a stupid stunt to get pervy teens to read the title.

I personally don`t want the entire avengers franchise to be crafted simply to supply superhero porn. Which is what i think the nude female ultron would simply be.

I mean give me one good reason how nude woman ultron fulfill`s the character`s core principals more than the classic ultron. I can`t think of a single one.

[Lane Myer]

Ultron (Introduce vision. Classic ultron not nudewoman ultron thanks)

YES

[Dew k. Mosi]

bump for merge

[Dew k. Mosi]

bump for the merge

[Arkady Rossovich]

I always thought the woman Ultron was just some stunt by Bendis,there's no real writing there.The robot Ultron is just fine.From what people say so far..

Avengers movie 1-Kang
Avengers movie 2-masters of evil or wrecking crew
Avengers movie 3-Ultron

[Iceburgeruk]

I always thought the woman Ultron was just some stunt by Bendis,there's no real writing there.The robot Ultron is just fine.From what people say so far..

Avengers movie 1-Kang
Avengers movie 2-masters of evil or wrecking crew
Avengers movie 3-Ultron

Yeah I love the idea of Kand being first. He should be the reason all these heroes team-up. Obviously Kang`s weapondry and technology would be what keeps him one step above the avengers. Mainly coz i want cap to be able to get some hits in but if kang don`t have the tech then thor would cream him.

I want to see an aerial battle between Kang And Iron Man. Not a chase like FF2 but a full on slugfest in middle air above the streets of nyc.

[KangConquers]

Yeah I love the idea of Kand being first. He should be the reason all these heroes team-up. Obviously Kang`s weapondry and technology would be what keeps him one step above the avengers. Mainly coz i want cap to be able to get some hits in but if kang don`t have the tech then thor would cream him.

I want to see an aerial battle between Kang And Iron Man. Not a chase like FF2 but a full on slugfest in middle air above the streets of nyc.


A Kang Dynasty type invasion of Earth would be awesome.

As for Female Ultron, I don't think it's completely without merit.

Ultron manifests itself as Hank's greatest love, Wasp, in what's probably a sub-conscious attempt by the sentient robot to win his creator's love.

It makes a lot of sense when you think about it.

[KangConquers]

This is how I'd do Avengers #1:

A weapons dealer named Simon Williams along with a shipment of highly deadly expiremental toxins go missing; S.H.I.E.L.D. goes in to try to take down the terrorists, lead by Helmut Zemo, the son of a Nazi scientist. All of the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents besides Natasha Romanoff (Black Widow) die in the attempted seige.

Black Widow escapes to the S.H.I.E.L.D. hellacarrier, and briefs Nick Fury. Nick confers with his liason in Washington, Henry Gyllrich, about options for recovering Simon Williams and the missing Toxin. Gyllrich gives Fury complete authority to assemble a team of 6 members in order to take down Zemo and his team of terrorists, the Thunderbolts.

Long story short, Fury makes his way around the United States, looking for perfect operatives; some are easy to convince. Brash playboy multi-billionare Tony Stark says his body guard Iron Man is completely ready to rise to the occasion. Self-proclaimed Thunder God Thor says that the U.S. government has no authority over a God of Asgard, yet he will still help, given the severity of the situation. Fury also recruits Nano-Technology expert Hank Pym, and his Wife Janet Van Dyne Pym, who are experimenting with a growth pollen known as pym particles.

Given what he sees as lack of commitment from his previous choice of leader (Thor), Nick Fury seeks out Captain America. He finds Cap living in the apartment he grew up in. Captain America is very suspicious of S.H.I.E.L.D. as he discovered SHIELD was behind Super-Soldier Expirementation, that had resulted in many deaths and deformities in the test subjects. Fury eventually talks Cap into joining.

Meanwhile back at the base, Zemo's plan is revealed. He plans to use the chemicals he stole from Williams Industries to make himself a super-soldier, and he decides that Simon himself would make a perfect test subject. Instead of becoming a Supersoldier though, he becomes a being of ionic energy. "My Wonderman", Zemo muses. The process of the transfusion almost completely wiped Simon's memory, as all of his brain pattrns were converted to ionic energy. Zemo decides to use Williams as a tool to send a message.

Back at base we see the team meeting each other, and being briefed on their forthcoming mission; Bruce Banner, formerly the Incredible Hulk, begs the team to let him on the mission, but he is promptly scolded and told that he doesn't have the ability to control his alter ego. Dejected, Banner returns to his lab.

The Avengers make a first attempt at defeating the masters of evil, but are promptly defeated; Wonderman is too powerful, for any of the Avengers members, and a magical incantation of some sort seems to keep Thor from entering the base.

We see Baron Zemo looking a mirror and seemingly talking to himself, when the mirror shatters and a woman steps through; the Enchantress, an asgardian female, has cast a spell to ensnare Thor. Zemo agrees to bring Thor to her alive, as long as Enchantress helps him with his plans of conquest.

Even though he promised Enchantress Thor alive, Zemo figures "alive" doesn't necessarily mean "in good shape." Zemo decides to use one of his pawns, The Scarlet Witch, to make Bruce Banner dream that all of New York city has begun to attack him. Bruce Banner turns into Hulk, and jumps from the carrier. Thor responds to the signal, and the two have an epic clash.

Meanwhile back in the base the battle rages on between the as of yet named team and the Thunderbolts; Captain America defeats the fleet-footed Quicksilver, Iron Man best the Crimson Dynamo, Wasp and Songbird fight in the skies, and Giant Man grapples with Atlas. during the battle Hank Pym collapses from fatigue....he grew too fast and passed out, stuck at 10 feet tall. Iron Man contacts SHIELD demanding replacements, and Black Widow and her partner, Hawkeye are shipped out to help with the battle.

As the battle rages on in NYC, Thor decides it's best to get Hulk away from people; using his Hammer's mystical properties, he conjures up a spell to take the Hulk and himself to Zemo's hideout.

Zemo realizes he's been duped by the Enchantress, who say his use of the Hulk to engage Thor as a betrayal. Thor goes to attack the Enchantress, but Wonderman intercepts him, and Thor defeats him. The blasts from Thor's god-strength cause Wonderman to realize who he actually is. Williams turns on Zemo, who in turn uses a device to transform Wonderman into a living bomb. Zemo designed it just incase Williams turned on him.

Realizing his time is up, Williams flies into space to explode among the stars. Captain America finally steps up, and recognizes Zemo as a boy he knew long ago. Zemo and Cap fight, and Zemo overpowers Cap, who by this point has been fighting the masters of evil for a long time. Zemo tries to fire a canon of adhesive X, a toxic glue of his father's making, at Captain America, but Cap uses his shield to knock the shot back on Helmut. Zemo is covered in his own adhesive, his skin corroding away.

Quicksilver, Atlas, Songbird, and Scarlet Witch are rounded up and placed in prison. Typical celebratory stuff, but this happy ending has a dark lining. We see Bruce Banner, feeling more within himself than ever due to what happened. We see Hank Pym, now confined to a wheel chair stuck at 10 feet tall, working on an artificial intelligence project. Zoom in on the stamp on the front that says "ULTRON MACH 1".

I'll do #2 soon...things to expect from my #2:

- The Maximoff twins defect to the Avengers. Hawkeye and Black Widow join as full members.
- An increasingly disturbed and abusive Hank Pym.
- Janet Pym starts dating Tony Stark.
- The creation of Ultron as a replacement for Giant Man on the avengers team; his turn to evil, and the eventual creation of THe Vision using Simon Williams brain waves.
- The early stages of a dynasty being put into motion.

I just started pounding this out about 15 minutes ago; obviously it needs some ironing out, but I think it's a good start.

[3dman27]

nice work kangconquers

[Iceburgeruk]

A Kang Dynasty type invasion of Earth would be awesome.

As for Female Ultron, I don't think it's completely without merit.

Ultron manifests itself as Hank's greatest love, Wasp, in what's probably a sub-conscious attempt by the sentient robot to win his creator's love.

It makes a lot of sense when you think about it.

True but i would only want female Ultron as a second appearance. I would want Classic Ultron first. I wouldn`t want people thinking female ultron is the only version of ultron.

[KangConquers]

True but i would only want female Ultron as a second appearance. I would want Classic Ultron first. I wouldn`t want people thinking female ultron is the only version of ultron.

Fair enough.

[Rorschach II]

Nice work, I like pretty much everything about it, except I agree that the first Ultron should be the classic Ultron.

Maybe when you have a time you could post more on the inter-team drama we talked about.

[Noir]

I'd go with a meeting like "New Avengers." except a few changes:

Hank Pym and wife go to the raft to question Bruce Banner who is locked away inside (ala Sentry) after The Hulk rampaged through the City. Loki unleashes all the villains locked away and then everything goes sour. Captain America intervenes because he was on his way to a diplomatic mission and Thor shows up because she senses Loki. Iron Man and the newly built Shield Hellacarrier show up (Hopefully thats why Fury is in the Iron Man movie "Stark, I need you to build me something big.") the heroes fight off the villains and figure they make a good team so they team up and fight Loki.

[Arkady Rossovich]

A film of the new Avengers meeting?I suppose so..but if Loki is introduced,then that could be refrence to a Thor film?So that would be good in any case?But if that's too much,i could imagine something like that would be done..

[GNR]

New Avengers?Hell no,let's keep it classic.

[3dman27]

New Avengers?Hell no,let's keep it classic.

YOU SAID IT BROTHER

[Nighthawk_Fan]

New Avengers?Hell no,let's keep it classic.

Nothing against the New Anvengers, but I rather it be based on the classics too.

[Steve Rogers]

This is how I'd do Avengers #1:I just started pounding this out about 15 minutes ago; obviously it needs some ironing out, but I think it's a good start.

I've been out of action for a while, but I will do mine now...

I see this as a trilogy.

Avengers 1.

We open with a 10 minute or so flashback to March 1945. Baron Zemo and his Nazi soldiers have no idea that outside of the their secret airbase, American paratroopers are dropping all around them. At dawn the paratroopers attack the compound. However it is a diversion. Zemo knows this. Somewhere in the frozen landscape of occupied Norway, Captain America and Bucky move themselves into position to take out Zemo's drone plane, filled with explosives, and headed to Washington. Bucky provides covering fire for Cap as he nears the plane. It sits idiling on the icy runway. Zemo and Cap get into a fight and Bucky boards the plane. Zemo laughs and pulls out a remote control. The explosives on the plane weren't on a timer. Zemo could control them! He could blow Bucky up at any moment. Cap races down the runway and grabs onto the wing of the drone plane as it lifts of the ground. He can feel his stomach rise up into his throat as the world below him drops away. Bucky realizes that maybe Cap can survive the fall. But he knows he can't, so he tries to disarm the bomb. The plane explodes and Cap losses his grip and falls into the snow and ice of Norway.

Present day. Tony Stark and his top scientist Dr. Henry Pym are in Norway to meet with one of their scientists who have developed a new weapon that Stark knows the US Army would be interested in. All Stark has to do is make a deal with the Norwegians and mass produce the weapon back in the US. However, the Norwegians have changed their mind. They believe America is too aggressive, and that the last thing they need is another weapon. They keep saying things like "The powers that be will not allow us to sell you this weapon." Furious, Stark and Pym bored Stark's private helicopter for the flight back to New York. As they get airborne they notice a man seemingly trapped in a glacier. Curious, they land and take a closer look finding a naked young man in nothing but tatters of clothing that looked red, white and blue. Pym believes the frozen man to be Captain America. He says if he can replicate the Super Soldier Serum for Army, than Nick Fury will forget all about how Stark blew the deal with the Norwegians. As they take Captain America's forzen body, thunder rumbles and lightning flashes.

The next morning. Stark meets with Fury in a fancy restaurant. Stark tells Fury about thier discovery. Fury is not impressed. If he sees results that the serum works, then he will be impressed. Stark also asks Fury about his pet project, Project: Avenger. Fury says forget about it. Ever since Lt. Danvers passed on the job, Project: Avenger has been dead in the water. Fury's stance is no leader with military traing, then no Avengers.

Meanwhile in Hank Pym's lab, Pym and his wife, Janet, begin to thaw out Cap's frozen body. Hank has been working very hard lately. The Pym Particles, the Giant Man suit, the Ant-Man helmet, his new Ultron robot, and now this Super Soldier thing? It is driving a wedge into their marriage but Hank is to excited to see it. He's a super nerd. Janet could stand naked next to a chalkboard covered in equations, and Hank would be oogling the chalkboard. It's not his fault, nor hers. He's just warpped up in his work lately.

Stark comes by the lab to see how things are going. As Pym, Stark and Jan talk, Captain America stirs on the table. He's alive! Jan and Stark are shocked. Pym dissmisses it. He's amazed, sure, but chalks it up to the serum in his blood. He looks at it from a scientific point of view. Science also tells him that because Captain America's muscles haven't been moved in over 60 years, he'll be almost crippled. Wrong. Cap thinks he has been captured by the Nazis. He leaps off the table and escapes out the door. When he gets outside he sees something that is very familiar and alien all at once; the New York skyline. He knows. He knows right away. He is in the future. "Did we win?", he asks Stark.

After 60 years of not eating, Cap is hungry. Very hungry. He's a bottomless pit for the first night. Jan picks up some sushi from Nubo's while Pym and Stark throw back a few beers in celebration. If Cap is fine, then the serum is fine. They should be able to replicate it and sell it to Army for millions or even billions.

The food is Japanese. The beer is German. The Japanese television has an ad for the German Volkswagen playing on it. Cap begins to think that maybe, the US lost the war. But he doesn't have much time to think about it.

All the power goes out. Lightning flashes and thunder roars. Jan, Stark, Pym and Cap run outside to see what is happening. A man with a large hammer floats down from the night sky. He is Thor. The Norse God of Thunder. He announces that it was he who forbid his countrymen to sell Stark those weapons. He also announces that he has come to claim the other "weapon" they stole. The greatest weapon. Captain America. All Thor wants it peace in the world, and he thinks that for that to happen, the US must leave their ultimate weapon frozen in the ice of Norway.

Stark pulls Cap back inside the lab. They all go back outside. But instead of Stark, Pym and Jan coming out, it is Iron Man, Giant Man, and Wasp! The three super heroes are ready for a fight with Thor but he is too powerful. Cap, in a hospital gown stares at Thor in awe. Then he sees it. The hammer. It's the hammer. As Thor throws Iron Man, Giant Man and Wasp around like ragdolls, Cap picks up a manhole cover off the street, and sails it, like a frisbee, through the hair knocking Thor's hammer from his grip. Sensing defeat Thor grabs the hammer and leaves. The other three stare in awe at Steve Rogers, aka Captain America. He just beat a God with a sewer cover. Who exactly was this guy?

The next day Rogers is cleaned up. He has a hair cut and a shave and a new set of Army green Class A's. He sits at a table looking through multiple files. Colonel Nick Fury walks in. Rogers comes to attention. "At ease, Captain", Fury says. So much has changed, but the Army is still familiar to Rogers. The files he has been looking at were those detailing the lifes, and ultimately, the deaths of his family and friends. Those who were not yet dead, were waiting for death in a nursing home. Rogers feels lost, detaqched, out of place. Out of time. He asks Fury about the Army. Fury tells him the Army is in a bad way right now. Mired in some Middle East s**thole called Iraq. Rogers is confused. Fury tells him he may recall it as British Mesopotamia. Fury tells him about Katrina, and how the National Guard was unable to respond in a timely manner because they were have a world away. Fury's not about to tell Captain America what to do. But, if Cap returns to the Army, he's just another human being and another valuable resource half a world away. But, if he stays here in the US, he can help those here who need to be helped. Fury drops Project: Avenger on Rogers. He will give Stark what he needs to found a team of super powered beings, who will be known as The Avengers, to protect the world in ways the millitary will not. But it will only work if Captain America agrees to lead this team. He does agree.

END Act 1

Act 2 would center on the overall plot. Cap is now the leader of the Avengers. They train as a team, but training is only so much. Tonight they will have their first test.

Meanwhile, after the president announced the formation of the Avengers, lead by none other than Captain America, the still very much alive Baron Zemo comes unglued. Literally. He and his Masters of Evil had planned on over throwing the US government and installing a Nazi regime hear in the US. He fealt that would be the ultimate defeat for democracy. But with Captain America alive, victory would be so much sweeter. But, he also knows Cap is a formidable foe. He must be out of the way for their plan to work.

Back at the new Avengers mansion, Rogers is catching up on 60 years of missed history by watching the history channel and reading books and old newspapers. "Did you know we sent a man to the moon?" Steve asks Jan. He asks her a lot. With Hank so busy, she has grown close to Steve. Too close perhaps. Hank is begining to see it. Jan says she can teach Steve 60 years of history herself. She'll be her private tutor. She give him an iPod full of Frank Sinatra, Benny Goodman and Glenn Miller. It also has pod casts of world events. Then she starts reciting the history of women's fashion for him. Amazingly she squeezes 60 years of dresses, hairstyles, and taboo looks into one sentence. But an alarm soon rings. The Avengers are needed.

In the Quin Jet, above the city, they locate Thor. What began as a peaceful demonstration, has truned into another lightning throwing party. The jet hovers above Thor. Cap slides open a door. "Let's go!" "What are you? Nuts?" asks Hank. "It's a couple hundred feet to the ground!"
"Hank," Jan says. "Just grow, and it won't be that far."
"That's not the point, Jan!"
"Hank-"
"You're taking his side?"
Cap narrows his eyes. "Pym, goddammit get ready to move!"
"Relax, Cap," says Iron Man.
"The hell with this, either you're behind me or your not!" Cap leaps from the jet and using his shield as a kind of snowboard, boards down the side of buildings until he safely reaches the street. The other Avengers huddle in the jet, mouths agape.
"You heard the man," says Iron Man. "Let's go!"
On the ground Cap barks orders at the NYC police. The priority is to get all the civilians to saftey and get the wounded medical attention. He then goes after Thor. By the time the other Avengers reach the ground Cap has single handedly defused the situation.

Cap confronts Thor. "You hurt people."
"I was protecting them," Thor corrects. "Protecting them from the tyranny you protect, Captain"
"I protect no tyranny."
A group of cops run up and start firing their guns at Thor.
Cap pleads for them to stop.
Thor whirls his hammer and a gust of wind blows the cops back. The wind also damages a nearby building. "Good night, Captain" Thor says as he begins to retreat.
"Not so fast. This time, we'll follow you."
Thor laughs. "And let that building that is about to fall, kill hundreds of innocents? I know you better than that, Captain."
Cap smiles. "We're a team now. Tony! Jan! Take him down!"
"You got it, Cap!" Iron Man trains his repulsor rays on the floating Thor while Wasp hits him with her sting blasts.
"Hank!" Cap bellows. "I need you to hold up that building. Go!"
Hank in his Giant Man suit grows and grows to over 60 feet and uses his immense size and proportionate stregnth to prop up the building.
Cap looks up. Thor is too much for Tony and Jan. A lightning bolt sends Jan flying to the street, her wings luttering and buzzing like a crushed insect.
Seeing this, Hank leaves his post to check on Jan as the building collapses.
"Hank! The building!"
"I can take him Cap!" says Iron Man, hitting Thor with his blasts.
"Never mind that! We need to clear the area of civilians! Now!"
"But-"
"Now, Tony!"
The two Avengers abandon Thor to help people escape before the building comes down.
"Hmmm" Thor says to himself. "We may not be so different, Captain." Thor floats away.

After, Fury shows up and he's pissed. The Avengers have screwed up their first mission. Had everyone listened to Cap, everything would have been fine. But no one did. Instead of saying that, Cap takes full responsibility ofr the debacle. Then the Avengers get it. It makes sense now. That's why they are supposed to listen to him. That's why he's in charge. That's why he's Captain America. It has nothing to do with serum and shields. It's Steve Rogers. Even if they could replicate the Super Soldier Serum, they couldn't replicate Captain America, because they can't replicate Steve Rogers. And he is what makes Captain America work.

Now that they get it, the team trains and trains hard. They all listen and learn. However, a training excerize goes wrong. As Hank grows into Giant Man his head throbs and aches. He goes dizzy and blacks out. Another trip up and down like that could kill him. But he wants to be part of the team.

Meanwhile, the Masters of Evil are ready to strike (I know in the comic the Maters of Evil were like 4 super villains, but in my world they are something much larger, akin to the Aryan nation movement.) Members have been installed in the government years ago, waiting ofr the moment to move. Similar to when Palpatine gives the order 66 in Star Wars: Episode Three, Zemo gives the order and slowly, one by one, government institutions begin to fall, only to be rebuilt in Nazi Germany's image.

Washington is under seige, and only the Avengers can save the day.
Prior to boarding the Quin Jet for DC Thor lands on the runway. He has reconsidered the Avengers. He now sees them as a brave and noble team, lead by a brave and noble leader. With DC under attack, Thor wishes to join the team to help stop the true villains. The Avengers have seen his power, so they agree. With Hank, not Giant Man, at the controls, the Avengers head to DC to face Baron Zemo and the Masters of Evil.

Meanwhile, some of the top generals in the Army have turned out to be members, so Fury "relieves" them of their command and leads the Army's assault on Washington. In the fight, he takes severe damage to his eye.

The Avengers arrive and busy themselves first with helping people and saving lives. Then they tangle with the Masters of Evil-Enchantress, Executioner, Melter, Radioactive Man-and their minions. But Cap has set his sights on Zemo himself. Both men want to finish the fight started 63 years ago. Besides, Cap thinks, Zemo killed Bucky!

So here we have the traditional gradoise over-the-top heroes versus villians battle scene. Of course, in the end, The Avengers will win. However, Hank finds himself in a familiar situation. Another building collpase. This time he holds it as Giant Man, saving countless lives, but doing horrible damage to his own body.

When the dust settles and the smoke clears, Fury has lost an eye, and as a result, is given a forced medical discharge from the Army. He does, however, have an interview with S.H.I.E.L.D.

Hank is in the hospital, but is doing fine. He and Jan have a lot of personal probelms in their marriage to sort through. They decide to take a leave of absence from the team. Thor returns to Norway or Asgard or wherever Norse Thunder Gods spend their free time. Cap meanwhile, wants to find himself in this new world he lives in. Like the Beatles, (Who? Asks Cap.) the Avengers break up. Poor Tony Stark is left holding the bag. A new team in the future? That will be the second movie.

[Arkady Rossovich]

That's very detailed,and some of these don't sound that half bad.Some of these are quite good,or atleast imaginative.I can see Young Avengers as a possible spin off.

[3dman27]

I've been out of action for a while, but I will do mine now...

I see this as a trilogy.

Avengers 1.

We open with a 10 minute or so flashback to March 1945. Baron Zemo and his Nazi soldiers have no idea that outside of the their secret airbase, American paratroopers are dropping all around them. At dawn the paratroopers attack the compound. However it is a diversion. Zemo knows this. Somewhere in the frozen landscape of occupied Norway, Captain America and Bucky move themselves into position to take out Zemo's drone plane, filled with explosives, and headed to Washington. Bucky provides covering fire for Cap as he nears the plane. It sits idiling on the icy runway. Zemo and Cap get into a fight and Bucky boards the plane. Zemo laughs and pulls out a remote control. The explosives on the plane weren't on a timer. Zemo could control them! He could blow Bucky up at any moment. Cap races down the runway and grabs onto the wing of the drone plane as it lifts of the ground. He can feel his stomach rise up into his throat as the world below him drops away. Bucky realizes that maybe Cap can survive the fall. But he knows he can't, so he tries to disarm the bomb. The plane explodes and Cap losses his grip and falls into the snow and ice of Norway.

Present day. Tony Stark and his top scientist Dr. Henry Pym are in Norway to meet with one of their scientists who have developed a new weapon that Stark knows the US Army would be interested in. All Stark has to do is make a deal with the Norwegians and mass produce the weapon back in the US. However, the Norwegians have changed their mind. They believe America is too aggressive, and that the last thing they need is another weapon. They keep saying things like "The powers that be will not allow us to sell you this weapon." Furious, Stark and Pym bored Stark's private helicopter for the flight back to New York. As they get airborne they notice a man seemingly trapped in a glacier. Curious, they land and take a closer look finding a naked young man in nothing but tatters of clothing that looked red, white and blue. Pym believes the frozen man to be Captain America. He says if he can replicate the Super Soldier Serum for Army, than Nick Fury will forget all about how Stark blew the deal with the Norwegians. As they take Captain America's forzen body, thunder rumbles and lightning flashes.

The next morning. Stark meets with Fury in a fancy restaurant. Stark tells Fury about thier discovery. Fury is not impressed. If he sees results that the serum works, then he will be impressed. Stark also asks Fury about his pet project, Project: Avenger. Fury says forget about it. Ever since Lt. Danvers passed on the job, Project: Avenger has been dead in the water. Fury's stance is no leader with military traing, then no Avengers.

Meanwhile in Hank Pym's lab, Pym and his wife, Janet, begin to thaw out Cap's frozen body. Hank has been working very hard lately. The Pym Particles, the Giant Man suit, the Ant-Man helmet, his new Ultron robot, and now this Super Soldier thing? It is driving a wedge into their marriage but Hank is to excited to see it. He's a super nerd. Janet could stand naked next to a chalkboard covered in equations, and Hank would be oogling the chalkboard. It's not his fault, nor hers. He's just warpped up in his work lately.

Stark comes by the lab to see how things are going. As Pym, Stark and Jan talk, Captain America stirs on the table. He's alive! Jan and Stark are shocked. Pym dissmisses it. He's amazed, sure, but chalks it up to the serum in his blood. He looks at it from a scientific point of view. Science also tells him that because Captain America's muscles haven't been moved in over 60 years, he'll be almost crippled. Wrong. Cap thinks he has been captured by the Nazis. He leaps off the table and escapes out the door. When he gets outside he sees something that is very familiar and alien all at once; the New York skyline. He knows. He knows right away. He is in the future. "Did we win?", he asks Stark.

After 60 years of not eating, Cap is hungry. Very hungry. He's a bottomless pit for the first night. Jan picks up some sushi from Nubo's while Pym and Stark throw back a few beers in celebration. If Cap is fine, then the serum is fine. They should be able to replicate it and sell it to Army for millions or even billions.

The food is Japanese. The beer is German. The Japanese television has an ad for the German Volkswagen playing on it. Cap begins to think that maybe, the US lost the war. But he doesn't have much time to think about it.

All the power goes out. Lightning flashes and thunder roars. Jan, Stark, Pym and Cap run outside to see what is happening. A man with a large hammer floats down from the night sky. He is Thor. The Norse God of Thunder. He announces that it was he who forbid his countrymen to sell Stark those weapons. He also announces that he has come to claim the other "weapon" they stole. The greatest weapon. Captain America. All Thor wants it peace in the world, and he thinks that for that to happen, the US must leave their ultimate weapon frozen in the ice of Norway.

Stark pulls Cap back inside the lab. They all go back outside. But instead of Stark, Pym and Jan coming out, it is Iron Man, Giant Man, and Wasp! The three super heroes are ready for a fight with Thor but he is too powerful. Cap, in a hospital gown stares at Thor in awe. Then he sees it. The hammer. It's the hammer. As Thor throws Iron Man, Giant Man and Wasp around like ragdolls, Cap picks up a manhole cover off the street, and sails it, like a frisbee, through the hair knocking Thor's hammer from his grip. Sensing defeat Thor grabs the hammer and leaves. The other three stare in awe at Steve Rogers, aka Captain America. He just beat a God with a sewer cover. Who exactly was this guy?

The next day Rogers is cleaned up. He has a hair cut and a shave and a new set of Army green Class A's. He sits at a table looking through multiple files. Colonel Nick Fury walks in. Rogers comes to attention. "At ease, Captain", Fury says. So much has changed, but the Army is still familiar to Rogers. The files he has been looking at were those detailing the lifes, and ultimately, the deaths of his family and friends. Those who were not yet dead, were waiting for death in a nursing home. Rogers feels lost, detaqched, out of place. Out of time. He asks Fury about the Army. Fury tells him the Army is in a bad way right now. Mired in some Middle East s**thole called Iraq. Rogers is confused. Fury tells him he may recall it as British Mesopotamia. Fury tells him about Katrina, and how the National Guard was unable to respond in a timely manner because they were have a world away. Fury's not about to tell Captain America what to do. But, if Cap returns to the Army, he's just another human being and another valuable resource half a world away. But, if he stays here in the US, he can help those here who need to be helped. Fury drops Project: Avenger on Rogers. He will give Stark what he needs to found a team of super powered beings, who will be known as The Avengers, to protect the world in ways the millitary will not. But it will only work if Captain America agrees to lead this team. He does agree.

END Act 1

Act 2 would center on the overall plot. Cap is now the leader of the Avengers. They train as a team, but training is only so much. Tonight they will have their first test.

Meanwhile, after the president announced the formation of the Avengers, lead by none other than Captain America, the still very much alive Baron Zemo comes unglued. Literally. He and his Masters of Evil had planned on over throwing the US government and installing a Nazi regime hear in the US. He fealt that would be the ultimate defeat for democracy. But with Captain America alive, victory would be so much sweeter. But, he also knows Cap is a formidable foe. He must be out of the way for their plan to work.

Back at the new Avengers mansion, Rogers is catching up on 60 years of missed history by watching the history channel and reading books and old newspapers. "Did you know we sent a man to the moon?" Steve asks Jan. He asks her a lot. With Hank so busy, she has grown close to Steve. Too close perhaps. Hank is begining to see it. Jan says she can teach Steve 60 years of history herself. She'll be her private tutor. She give him an iPod full of Frank Sinatra, Benny Goodman and Glenn Miller. It also has pod casts of world events. Then she starts reciting the history of women's fashion for him. Amazingly she squeezes 60 years of dresses, hairstyles, and taboo looks into one sentence. But an alarm soon rings. The Avengers are needed.

In the Quin Jet, above the city, they locate Thor. What began as a peaceful demonstration, has truned into another lightning throwing party. The jet hovers above Thor. Cap slides open a door. "Let's go!" "What are you? Nuts?" asks Hank. "It's a couple hundred feet to the ground!"
"Hank," Jan says. "Just grow, and it won't be that far."
"That's not the point, Jan!"
"Hank-"
"You're taking his side?"
Cap narrows his eyes. "Pym, goddammit get ready to move!"
"Relax, Cap," says Iron Man.
"The hell with this, either you're behind me or your not!" Cap leaps from the jet and using his shield as a kind of snowboard, boards down the side of buildings until he safely reaches the street. The other Avengers huddle in the jet, mouths agape.
"You heard the man," says Iron Man. "Let's go!"
On the ground Cap barks orders at the NYC police. The priority is to get all the civilians to saftey and get the wounded medical attention. He then goes after Thor. By the time the other Avengers reach the ground Cap has single handedly defused the situation.

Cap confronts Thor. "You hurt people."
"I was protecting them," Thor corrects. "Protecting them from the tyranny you protect, Captain"
"I protect no tyranny."
A group of cops run up and start firing their guns at Thor.
Cap pleads for them to stop.
Thor whirls his hammer and a gust of wind blows the cops back. The wind also damages a nearby building. "Good night, Captain" Thor says as he begins to retreat.
"Not so fast. This time, we'll follow you."
Thor laughs. "And let that building that is about to fall, kill hundreds of innocents? I know you better than that, Captain."
Cap smiles. "We're a team now. Tony! Jan! Take him down!"
"You got it, Cap!" Iron Man trains his repulsor rays on the floating Thor while Wasp hits him with her sting blasts.
"Hank!" Cap bellows. "I need you to hold up that building. Go!"
Hank in his Giant Man suit grows and grows to over 60 feet and uses his immense size and proportionate stregnth to prop up the building.
Cap looks up. Thor is too much for Tony and Jan. A lightning bolt sends Jan flying to the street, her wings luttering and buzzing like a crushed insect.
Seeing this, Hank leaves his post to check on Jan as the building collapses.
"Hank! The building!"
"I can take him Cap!" says Iron Man, hitting Thor with his blasts.
"Never mind that! We need to clear the area of civilians! Now!"
"But-"
"Now, Tony!"
The two Avengers abandon Thor to help people escape before the building comes down.
"Hmmm" Thor says to himself. "We may not be so different, Captain." Thor floats away.

After, Fury shows up and he's pissed. The Avengers have screwed up their first mission. Had everyone listened to Cap, everything would have been fine. But no one did. Instead of saying that, Cap takes full responsibility ofr the debacle. Then the Avengers get it. It makes sense now. That's why they are supposed to listen to him. That's why he's in charge. That's why he's Captain America. It has nothing to do with serum and shields. It's Steve Rogers. Even if they could replicate the Super Soldier Serum, they couldn't replicate Captain America, because they can't replicate Steve Rogers. And he is what makes Captain America work.

Now that they get it, the team trains and trains hard. They all listen and learn. However, a training excerize goes wrong. As Hank grows into Giant Man his head throbs and aches. He goes dizzy and blacks out. Another trip up and down like that could kill him. But he wants to be part of the team.

Meanwhile, the Masters of Evil are ready to strike (I know in the comic the Maters of Evil were like 4 super villains, but in my world they are something much larger, akin to the Aryan nation movement.) Members have been installed in the government years ago, waiting ofr the moment to move. Similar to when Palpatine gives the order 66 in Star Wars: Episode Three, Zemo gives the order and slowly, one by one, government institutions begin to fall, only to be rebuilt in Nazi Germany's image.

Washington is under seige, and only the Avengers can save the day.
Prior to boarding the Quin Jet for DC Thor lands on the runway. He has reconsidered the Avengers. He now sees them as a brave and noble team, lead by a brave and noble leader. With DC under attack, Thor wishes to join the team to help stop the true villains. The Avengers have seen his power, so they agree. With Hank, not Giant Man, at the controls, the Avengers head to DC to face Baron Zemo and the Masters of Evil.

Meanwhile, some of the top generals in the Army have turned out to be members, so Fury "relieves" them of their command and leads the Army's assault on Washington. In the fight, he takes severe damage to his eye.

The Avengers arrive and busy themselves first with helping people and saving lives. Then they tangle with the Masters of Evil-Enchantress, Executioner, Melter, Radioactive Man-and their minions. But Cap has set his sights on Zemo himself. Both men want to finish the fight started 63 years ago. Besides, Cap thinks, Zemo killed Bucky!

So here we have the traditional gradoise over-the-top heroes versus villians battle scene. Of course, in the end, The Avengers will win. However, Hank finds himself in a familiar situation. Another building collpase. This time he holds it as Giant Man, saving countless lives, but doing horrible damage to his own body.

When the dust settles and the smoke clears, Fury has lost an eye, and as a result, is given a forced medical discharge from the Army. He does, however, have an interview with S.H.I.E.L.D.

Hank is in the hospital, but is doing fine. He and Jan have a lot of personal probelms in their marriage to sort through. They decide to take a leave of absence from the team. Thor returns to Norway or Asgard or wherever Norse Thunder Gods spend their free time. Cap meanwhile, wants to find himself in this new world he lives in. Like the Beatles, (Who? Asks Cap.) the Avengers break up. Poor Tony Stark is left holding the bag. A new team in the future? That will be the second movie.
very good indeed

[Docker2.0]

Good job Kang! But I wanted you to use Kang as a villian not Zemo or the Thunderbolts! :cmad:

[HERCULES]

This is how I'd do Avengers #1:

A weapons dealer named Simon Williams along with a shipment of highly deadly expiremental toxins go missing; S.H.I.E.L.D. goes in to try to take down the terrorists, lead by Helmut Zemo, the son of a Nazi scientist. All of the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents besides Natasha Romanoff (Black Widow) die in the attempted seige.

Black Widow escapes to the S.H.I.E.L.D. hellacarrier, and briefs Nick Fury. Nick confers with his liason in Washington, Henry Gyllrich, about options for recovering Simon Williams and the missing Toxin. Gyllrich gives Fury complete authority to assemble a team of 6 members in order to take down Zemo and his team of terrorists, the Thunderbolts.

Long story short, Fury makes his way around the United States, looking for perfect operatives; some are easy to convince. Brash playboy multi-billionare Tony Stark says his body guard Iron Man is completely ready to rise to the occasion. Self-proclaimed Thunder God Thor says that the U.S. government has no authority over a God of Asgard, yet he will still help, given the severity of the situation. Fury also recruits Nano-Technology expert Hank Pym, and his Wife Janet Van Dyne Pym, who are experimenting with a growth pollen known as pym particles.

Given what he sees as lack of commitment from his previous choice of leader (Thor), Nick Fury seeks out Captain America. He finds Cap living in the apartment he grew up in. Captain America is very suspicious of S.H.I.E.L.D. as he discovered SHIELD was behind Super-Soldier Expirementation, that had resulted in many deaths and deformities in the test subjects. Fury eventually talks Cap into joining.

Meanwhile back at the base, Zemo's plan is revealed. He plans to use the chemicals he stole from Williams Industries to make himself a super-soldier, and he decides that Simon himself would make a perfect test subject. Instead of becoming a Supersoldier though, he becomes a being of ionic energy. "My Wonderman", Zemo muses. The process of the transfusion almost completely wiped Simon's memory, as all of his brain pattrns were converted to ionic energy. Zemo decides to use Williams as a tool to send a message.

Back at base we see the team meeting each other, and being briefed on their forthcoming mission; Bruce Banner, formerly the Incredible Hulk, begs the team to let him on the mission, but he is promptly scolded and told that he doesn't have the ability to control his alter ego. Dejected, Banner returns to his lab.

The Avengers make a first attempt at defeating the masters of evil, but are promptly defeated; Wonderman is too powerful, for any of the Avengers members, and a magical incantation of some sort seems to keep Thor from entering the base.

We see Baron Zemo looking a mirror and seemingly talking to himself, when the mirror shatters and a woman steps through; the Enchantress, an asgardian female, has cast a spell to ensnare Thor. Zemo agrees to bring Thor to her alive, as long as Enchantress helps him with his plans of conquest.

Even though he promised Enchantress Thor alive, Zemo figures "alive" doesn't necessarily mean "in good shape." Zemo decides to use one of his pawns, The Scarlet Witch, to make Bruce Banner dream that all of New York city has begun to attack him. Bruce Banner turns into Hulk, and jumps from the carrier. Thor responds to the signal, and the two have an epic clash.

Meanwhile back in the base the battle rages on between the as of yet named team and the Thunderbolts; Captain America defeats the fleet-footed Quicksilver, Iron Man best the Crimson Dynamo, Wasp and Songbird fight in the skies, and Giant Man grapples with Atlas. during the battle Hank Pym collapses from fatigue....he grew too fast and passed out, stuck at 10 feet tall. Iron Man contacts SHIELD demanding replacements, and Black Widow and her partner, Hawkeye are shipped out to help with the battle.

As the battle rages on in NYC, Thor decides it's best to get Hulk away from people; using his Hammer's mystical properties, he conjures up a spell to take the Hulk and himself to Zemo's hideout.

Zemo realizes he's been duped by the Enchantress, who say his use of the Hulk to engage Thor as a betrayal. Thor goes to attack the Enchantress, but Wonderman intercepts him, and Thor defeats him. The blasts from Thor's god-strength cause Wonderman to realize who he actually is. Williams turns on Zemo, who in turn uses a device to transform Wonderman into a living bomb. Zemo designed it just incase Williams turned on him.

Realizing his time is up, Williams flies into space to explode among the stars. Captain America finally steps up, and recognizes Zemo as a boy he knew long ago. Zemo and Cap fight, and Zemo overpowers Cap, who by this point has been fighting the masters of evil for a long time. Zemo tries to fire a canon of adhesive X, a toxic glue of his father's making, at Captain America, but Cap uses his shield to knock the shot back on Helmut. Zemo is covered in his own adhesive, his skin corroding away.

Quicksilver, Atlas, Songbird, and Scarlet Witch are rounded up and placed in prison. Typical celebratory stuff, but this happy ending has a dark lining. We see Bruce Banner, feeling more within himself than ever due to what happened. We see Hank Pym, now confined to a wheel chair stuck at 10 feet tall, working on an artificial intelligence project. Zoom in on the stamp on the front that says "ULTRON MACH 1".

I'll do #2 soon...things to expect from my #2:

- The Maximoff twins defect to the Avengers. Hawkeye and Black Widow join as full members.
- An increasingly disturbed and abusive Hank Pym.
- Janet Pym starts dating Tony Stark.
- The creation of Ultron as a replacement for Giant Man on the avengers team; his turn to evil, and the eventual creation of THe Vision using Simon Williams brain waves.
- The early stages of a dynasty being put into motion.

I just started pounding this out about 15 minutes ago; obviously it needs some ironing out, but I think it's a good start.

If someone weren't an Avengers fan, they wouldn't be able to follow this. I don't see how all this action and characterization would be able to happen in 2 or so hours...: Zemo, Wonderman, Shield, gathering the Avengers team, The Enchantress, Hulk vs. Thor, Avengers vs. Thunderbolts, etc. How?

[Lord Voldemort]

No way in hell they'll do an avengers film any time soon. Not to mention a classic version. They have a hard enough time with fantastic four.

[KangConquers]

If someone weren't an Avengers fan, they wouldn't be able to follow this. I don't see how all this action and characterization would be able to happen in 2 or so hours...: Zemo, Wonderman, Shield, gathering the Avengers team, The Enchantress, Hulk vs. Thor, Avengers vs. Thunderbolts, etc. How?

Well how would you do it?

[thejon93]

Iron Man is going to be released next year,Thor and Captain America are in the works.News about these films got me to think,are we closer to having an Avengers film?

How could it be done?What do you want to be in it?Which heros should be in it?The villains,the stories?I think there should be a thread for it...put any news about a proposed Avengers film here..

As for me,i think the film should have Captain America,Iron Man,The Wasp,Thor and The Incredible Hulk.The original members..as for villains..Baron Zemo and The Masters of Evil.

Let the discussion begin..
I'd like to see the Avengers face-off against Doctor Doom. Here's my synopsis:
Doctor Doom; the world's most deadly threat. After an assigned attack on the Fantastic Four, the world's greatest heroes must finally unite to take down this threat once and for all. Lead by Captain America, this league of uncanny men and women will stand tall and fight for all that they love, lost, and will always fight for; freedom from evil. Forever the Avengers will grow amongst this threat, but can they end the reign before it's too late?

[Steve Rogers]

very good indeed
Thanks.

[Blader5489]

I honestly think that the first volume of The Ultimates would make an excellent first Avengers movie. The only things I would change:

-cut out most of the Cap subplots, as they would be done in a solo movie
-lose the wife beater subplot between Hank and Janet
-change the Chitauri to the HYDRA (with Herr Kleiser being changed to a super solider juiced Baron Zemo; he would have a personal interest in killing Cap, we see Cap kill Zemo's grandfather in a WWII flashback)
-change Thor from a hippie to a doctor; still keep the liberal angle, but lose his cult following
-no Quicksilver or Scarlet Witch

With those changes, I think The Ultimates vol. 1 would the perfect material for the Avengers movie.

[darthlaney]

Sounds like the Ultimates cartoon movie - need something new.

Also forget Zemo - use him as a major villian in a CA stand alone movie after the project rebirth act of the film.

[Brian2887]

I honestly think that the first volume of The Ultimates would make an excellent first Avengers movie. The only things I would change:

-cut out most of the Cap subplots, as they would be done in a solo movie
-lose the wife beater subplot between Hank and Janet
-change the Chitauri to the HYDRA (with Herr Kleiser being changed to a super solider juiced Baron Zemo; he would have a personal interest in killing Cap, we see Cap kill Zemo's grandfather in a WWII flashback)
-change Thor from a hippie to a doctor; still keep the liberal angle, but lose his cult following
-no Quicksilver or Scarlet Witch

With those changes, I think The Ultimates vol. 1 would the perfect material for the Avengers movie.


I wouldn't mind the aliens if they're handled well. It could play on the Nazi's supposed dealings in the occult and supernatural. Have it be a tiny undertone in the Captain America movie, and then explode in the Avengers movie. That way, even though the villains Cap faced are gone, he still has a link to his past in his modern enemies.

I like Thor as a hippie as well as the Hank/Janet storyline. It really humanizes the heroes. Nobody's perfect, kinda thing.

[Blader5489]

Sounds like the Ultimates cartoon movie - need something new.

Also forget Zemo - use him as a major villian in a CA stand alone movie after the project rebirth act of the film.

Wouldn't the Red Skull be a better choice for a CA solo movie?

That way, even though the villains Cap faced are gone, he still has a link to his past in his modern enemies.

Yeah, I like the angle, which is why I would like to see something like HYDRA but with ties to the Nazis (like, for example, linking the HYDRA leader to some Nazi warlord that Cap foiled in WWII). As dumb this may sound--since we're talking about a superhero movie--I think shapeshifting aliens is a bit farfetched for the realistic tone these movies tend to go for.

I like Thor as a hippie as well as the Hank/Janet storyline. It really humanizes the heroes. Nobody's perfect, kinda thing.

My only problem with the Hank/Janet subplot was that Hank was too malicious. I think if there was a scene of Hank just losing it on Janet, that would be enough, but I think stuff like Hank summoning ants to swarm her and suffocating her with bug spray is a bit much.

[darthlaney]

Originally Posted by darthlaney http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=13863715#post13863715)
Sounds like the Ultimates cartoon movie - need something new.

Also forget Zemo - use him as a major villian in a CA stand alone movie after the project rebirth act of the film.

Wouldn't the Red Skull be a better choice for a CA solo movie?

Red Skull could be created at the end of the 1st CA movie to combat the success of the US Super Soldier, Zemo could be the main bad guy in the first 'set up' movie. The Skull could come in movie 2 (WW2 - based) and then in a 3rd movie, set in the present day CA and RS (both found alive in suspended animation) continue to fight - bring in the cosmic cube here.

I wouldn't want the RS used in the first film, it leaves little room to move and timing is an issue as you need to establish Cap.

Think Batman Begins, they didn't use the Joker because it would have been wasted.

[darthlaney]

[quote=Blader5489;13865350]Wouldn't the Red Skull be a better choice for a CA solo movie?

Red Skull could be created at the end of the 1st CA movie to combat the success of the US Super Soldier, Zemo could be the main bad guy in the first 'set up' movie. The Skull could come in movie 2 (WW2 - based) and then in a 3rd movie, set in the present day CA and RS (both found alive in suspended animation) continue to fight - bring in the cosmic cube here.

I wouldn't want the RS used in the first film, it leaves little room to move and timing is an issue as you need to establish Cap.

Think Batman Begins, they didn't use the Joker because it would have been wasted.

[Noir]

A film of the new Avengers meeting?I suppose so..but if Loki is introduced,then that could be refrence to a Thor film?So that would be good in any case?But if that's too much,i could imagine something like that would be done..

New Avengers?Hell no,let's keep it classic.

YOU SAID IT BROTHER
I didn't say its the "NEW AVENGERS" I said, use the meeting from the New Avengers but with the Classic Avengers.

[darthlaney]

How about a Kree invasion being the reason for all of these heroes coming together?

This would allow the Hulk to be apart of the team initially and would not get in the way of all of the other character origin stories.

[Noir]

That could work.

[Kokomo29]

Who here thinks (and hopes) that The Vision will be in the Avengers movie?

[Blader5489]

Who here thinks (and hopes) that The Vision will be in the Avengers movie?

I hope not. The Avengers movie (or first one, assuming they make sequels) should be focused on the characters from the solo films and how they come together as a team. Maybe introduce Hawkeye and Black Widow, since they don't come with any baggage as characters, but not the Vision; he would require a whole "Ultron Unlimited" plot and that would place the focus on the robots instead of the actual Avengers.

[GNR]

I didn't say its the "NEW AVENGERS" I said, use the meeting from the New Avengers but with the Classic Avengers.

Yea,that's still crap.

"Breakout oh no,here come Cap,Thor and Iron Man out of nowhere to save the day!".

[Noir]

They had logical reasons to in the area..

[FaT_tONle]

How would you guys do an Avenger trilogy/saga...

Avengers:

Roster (in order of importance): Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Ant-Man, Wasp, Nick Fury

Villains: Baron Helmut Zemo/Masters of Evil, HYDRA, Ultron Origin

Avengers Reborn:

Roster: Ant-Man, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Black Panther, Wonderman, Wasp, Quick Silver

Villains: Ultron and Vision

Avengers United:

Roster: Hawkeye, Thor, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Wonderman, Quick Silver, Falcon

Villains: Kang the Conqueror

I took into consideration that the actors weren't going to do an entire Avengers trilogy... I'd hope Ant-Man returned so that they can use the whole "fall of Pym" storyline... the sequels focus primarily on the new team of Hawkeye, Quick Silver, and Scarlett Witch with guys coming and going...

[Obi-Ron]

True but i would only want female Ultron as a second appearance. I would want Classic Ultron first. I wouldn`t want people thinking female ultron is the only version of ultron.

I think Ultron would be good as the villain for Ant-MAn's solo movie. Assuming they go with Hank, of course.

[Blader5489]

How would you guys do an Avenger trilogy...

Here's my conceptual trilogy:

The Avengers:
Roster: Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Giant-Man, Wasp, Hulk, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Nick Fury
Villains: Baron von Strucker and HYDRA

Avengers Dissassembled:
Roster: Same as above, plus Reserves (U.S.Agents, Rocketmen, Goliaths)
Villains: Thunderbolts (Swordsman, MACH-IV, Atlas, Songbird), Hank Pym (with robot army), Black Widow, all being manipulated by Loki

Avengers Forever:
Roster: Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Ant-Man, Wasp, Hawkeye, The Vision
-Cameos: Falcon, War Machine, Excalibur, Winter Guard, Black Panther, Hulk
Villains: Kang the Conqueror (but not the Kang you're used to)

[HERCULES]

Well how would you do it?

I never really thought about it because I think this movie is so far away that it may never happen. [[Herculean flashback: I remember back in the early to mid 80s there was talk of an Iron Man live-action tv show. But of course that never panned out. And it's taken over 20 years since then for this Iron Man movie to come out]]. :im:
Anyways...
As I said in the past, "More characters = less time devoted for each character/villain and less time for any kind of story to unravel."

My team would look like this (under the assumption of them using the BIG 3):
-Captain America
-Iron Man
-Thor
-Wasp
-Ant Man

Villain(s)
-Ultron
-Vision...as a villain for nearly the entirety of it since he was created for the Avengers destruction. There would NOT HAVE TO be too much time alotted for the whole Simon Williams brain engrams origin. But some time should be spent on it at least.
Any kind of change of Vision to the side of good would be towards the end.

Bonus Character(s)
-possibly Jocasta since Ultron/Vision would be involved
-Nick Fury in an advisory role
-any other heroes such as Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, etc. I'd put in cameo situations (similar to the teen mutants shown in the mansion in XMEN 1) such as a training facility....could even be S.H.I.E.L.D training grounds. This would at least show them (albeit briefly).

Plot: As I said, I never thought about it but my 'thang' is to keep the number of characters as low as possible. Total number of Marvel characters used with a 'true' role = 8 or 9

* With Ultron & Vision in it, it'd mean that Pym would play a pivotal part despite him not being 1 of the BIG 3

[Arkady Rossovich]

I sometimes wonder if this will ever be made. Because some might think that Iron Man might not do that well. If it does not,could it still be possible?

[blackblt]

For me my team is Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Wasp, Ant Man and Vision vs.either Ultron or Kang.
I think more than 1 villian is unnessary and could get confusing, to many people, that we have to keep up with.
I know that Jon Favreau said that Iron Man 3 was being considered as the launching point for Avengers, with Stark recruiting and founding the Avengers, but that was before they started filming Iron Man, it seems Marvel's time table has speed up.

That's the team. Maybe add beast for good measure. Visions a must! Hulk or Wolverine wouldn't work, but it wouldn't surprise me if Marvel tried to stick em in there anyway.

[3dman27]

That's the team. Maybe add beast for good measure. Visions a must! Hulk or Wolverine wouldn't work, but it wouldn't surprise me if Marvel tried to stick em in there anyway.
greenskin was one of the founding avengers so it makes sense they'd have at least a cameo apperance and YES to beast AS AN AVENGER

[Blader5489]

Can't do Beast (or probably Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch for that matter). X-Men is still in Fox's hands.

[FaT_tONle]

Well considering they are leaning towards sticking with the six or seven main guys (With probably Wasp and Fury rounding out the roster)... we probably won't be seeing any other heroes... its okay to give cameos to certain minor characters, but it isn't necessary to fill the movie with cameos of every member who was on the team at some point... they should save the characters for the sequel... IM and Hulk definitely won't be in a future Avengers sequel unless they recast... they should keep rotating the roster... maybe add Hawkeye, Black Panther, Black Widow while dropping Hulk and IM... and if they make another one... drop Cap America THor and Ant-Man... and add Witch, Silver, and Vision... that way you avoid recasting. And each movie can be a stand alone film... plus most of the characters can have thier own spinoffs either before or after.

[Arkady Rossovich]

I don't think Dissembeled or New Avengers will be done. I personally think original sagas will be done.

[RaZaTrOn]

I think that the enemy for the Avengers should be Baron Zemo or Red Skull, they could be set up in the Captain America movie. Then when he joins the team and it is on TV about Avengers. The Zemo or Skull could resurface with a couple of villains with no need for back stories (any suggestions?)

That way we wouldn't need to focus much on the development of the bad guy cause he already has been developed in Cap's movie.

[FaT_tONle]

No villains from the solo films except maybe Loki... if they use Zemo it will be the version of his son Helmut so that they won't have to write in a crappy ass story about a villain from WW 2 that had a youth rejuvinizing serum all these years... Zemo should be explored in Captain America as a side villain or the feature villain in a sequel for CA. I say stick to a terror group like HYDRA like Blader suggested earlier... but if that gets featured in a Nick Fury movie then they shouldn't rehash that either... so they should do Helmut... his core group on both the Thunderbolts and Masters of Evil IV. Stick with Ultimates volume 1 too

[CaptainStacy]

Zak Penn Talks The Avengers
Written by Silas Lesnick
Thursday, 06 March 2008
At today's press conference for his new film The Grand, Zak Penn touched briefly on the Avengers film his name has been attached to.



The bad news is that it's a long way off while the good news is that it looks like Penn's interested in doing it right rather than just rush into doing it for the sake of a release date (Justice League, take note).

"The Avengers is a project in the future," says Penn, "That's the best way to put it until Iron Man and The Hulk come out. I haven't talked to Marvel about it in awhile because I think that the best way to do it is to put together a movie that uses all the characters and so they probably want to see how the movies do and figure that out first."

While he wouldn't talk any further about the project or his other blockbuster projects, he did drop this mysterious tidbit with a smile:

"I am writing a script for Fox that's a big deal for me that I can't reveal the secret purpose of."

[Docker2.0]

F4, Xmen, Silver Surfer all in one movie maybe?

[protocida]

Must be that ''Young X-Men'' project.

[Bubonic]

Zak Penn Talks The Avengers
Written by Silas Lesnick
Thursday, 06 March 2008
At today's press conference for his new film The Grand, Zak Penn touched briefly on the Avengers film his name has been attached to.



The bad news is that it's a long way off while the good news is that it looks like Penn's interested in doing it right rather than just rush into doing it for the sake of a release date (Justice League, take note).

"The Avengers is a project in the future," says Penn, "That's the best way to put it until Iron Man and The Hulk come out. I haven't talked to Marvel about it in awhile because I think that the best way to do it is to put together a movie that uses all the characters and so they probably want to see how the movies do and figure that out first."

While he wouldn't talk any further about the project or his other blockbuster projects, he did drop this mysterious tidbit with a smile:

"I am writing a script for Fox that's a big deal for me that I can't reveal the secret purpose of."

How is it they keep going back to this hack?

[protocida]

Well, ''X-men 3'' WAS a big hit.

[Docker2.0]

How is it they keep going back to this hack?

Love to see you write a movie that made over $100 million. This guy has done it a couple of times. He must be doing something right. :o

[FaT_tONle]

Penn will be cut by the time Marvel sets a pre-production date for Avengers... they already told him thanks but no thanks to most of his TIH script... the guy will be looking for another job in a couple of years.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Zak Penn Talks The Avengers
Written by Silas Lesnick
Thursday, 06 March 2008
At today's press conference for his new film The Grand, Zak Penn touched briefly on the Avengers film his name has been attached to.

The bad news is that it's a long way off while the good news is that it looks like Penn's interested in doing it right rather than just rush into doing it for the sake of a release date (Justice League, take note).

"The Avengers is a project in the future," says Penn, "That's the best way to put it until Iron Man and The Hulk come out. I haven't talked to Marvel about it in awhile because I think that the best way to do it is to put together a movie that uses all the characters and so they probably want to see how the movies do and figure that out first."

While he wouldn't talk any further about the project or his other blockbuster projects, he did drop this mysterious tidbit with a smile:

"I am writing a script for Fox that's a big deal for me that I can't reveal the secret purpose of."

This makes sense. Marvel wants to see how Iron Man and Incredible Hulk do,if both do well..then chances are that a Avengers movie will happen. If not,then it may not..it's something to think about..especially since with IM and IH comming out..ideas will be put toward Captain America and Thor..

[Hypestyle]

The Avengers movie should involve a Cloverfield Monster for the team to fight against.. that would be great!

[protocida]

Hypestyle, PLEASE, be kidding.

[3dman27]

yes please be kidding

[protocida]

Totally.

[Hypestyle]

giving the Avengers a huge monster to fight and a clear threat to humanity, would be a great subplot, and it would save from having a bunch of actors to play villains for the heroes to pair off against--

only instead of just New York City, they can have it also attack the Florida coast.. it can be Giganto, one of Namor's old standbys.. they would have to update its look though, make it look scarier..

[Blader5489]

giving the Avengers a huge monster to fight and a clear threat to humanity, would be a great subplot,

That's what the Hulk is for.

[Hypestyle]

That's what the Hulk is for.

hukl is a superhero.. :cwink:

[3dman27]

no he was created as a monster character ala dr jeykl and mr hyde
the hulk as hero bit came when marvel had to conform his stories to the comics code

[FaT_tONle]

I wouldn't mind if Hulk was the villain in the first half... something along the lines of Ultimates Vol 1...

[Blader5489]

I wouldn't mind if Hulk was the villain in the first half... something along the lines of Ultimates Vol 1...

Exactly.

[Docker2.0]

If they had to fight a giant monster, it would have to be Fin Fang Foo but not be the big baddie but like a henchmen working for the Mandarian or Surtur working Loki. Not just King Kong fighting them alone. I still say the first movie should be along the lines of some type of invasion, using Kree or Skrulls or even the negative zone.

[Franklin Richards]

Can't use Skrulls or Negative Zone. They belong to the FF. Kree though would be good.



:thing: :doom: :thing:

[FaT_tONle]

No alien invasions/wars or giant monsters (which is basically the same thing)... not when you have other villains like Kang, Ultron, or some incarnation of the MoE.

[Lots o lafs]

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/Warmachine077/daredevilarmor01.jpg?t=1206407647

If they for some reason add DD Here is my mock up

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/Warmachine077/daredevil.jpg?t=1206407831

there ya go

[cerealkiller182]

Ultron would be a great villain. Maybe HYDRA

[Blader5489]

Ultron would be a great villain. Maybe HYDRA

My own personal idea is HYDRA, led by Baron Zemo. For the first movie, there should only be one, simple villain to serve as the reason for the Avengers to be formed in the first place.

IMO, you really can't do any of the classic Avengers foes--Ultron, Kang, the Masters of Evil--because they require too much time and would overshadow the Avengers themselves; the first movie needs to spend the bulk of its time focusing on the team dynamic rather than the villains.

[cerealkiller182]

My own personal idea is HYDRA, led by Baron Zemo. For the first movie, there should only be one, simple villain to serve as the reason for the Avengers to be formed in the first place.

IMO, you really can't do any of the classic Avengers foes--Ultron, Kang, the Masters of Evil--because they require too much time and would overshadow the Avengers themselves; the first movie needs to spend the bulk of its time focusing on the team dynamic rather than the villains.

Ultrons not too bad. A.I. gone hay wire has been done before so people will take to it pretty well with little explanation.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Hydra? I would guess that would be for a Captain America movie. AIM also,Skrulls and the Negative Zone makes more sense..since it's doubtful that the FF movies will do either right. Ultron or Kang would be perfect for a Avengers movie..but after the Masters Of Evil.

[Remy LeBeau X3]

i think they would need either some team up of vilains or a huge beast, not hulk, to assemble the avengers, realistically. just my thoughts.

[protocida]

Red skull is back. And he efforts Abomination, Crimson Dynamo, Loki, Absorving-Man and Ultron on his rematch!

[FaT_tONle]

I am guessing they'll save HYDRA for a Nick Fury movie... so I don't think they'll repeat that if they do Nick Fury first... MoE would be the safe bet... maybe some villains returning who were associated with HYDRA as well... a massive super terrorist network. Cheezy but its the most realistic plot IMO... you can flesh out a good 2 hour 30 min film with that.

[Iceburgeruk]

As i said in my own thread, how about tehy go avengers issue 3 route and have a three-way brawl between hulk, the avengers and namor?

[xisaacx]

As i said in my own thread, how about tehy go avengers issue 3 route and have a three-way brawl between hulk, the avengers and namor?


to many characters to keep track of, and with the hulk coming out and jason stathem being considered for namor i doubt it. plus it wouldnt be a good plot

[Skippy Roberts]

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080505/20080505005656.html?.v=1


Marvel today updated its feature film slate strategy and plans for the next three years, locking in key release windows for its character franchises. In order to focus its attention on maximizing the success of an Iron Man sequel and the launch of Thor in the summer of 2010 and because Marvel believes that the summer is the optimal time to launch a new property, the Company will not release a self produced film in 2009. Marvel plans to launch its 2010 film slate with the release of the sequel, Iron Man 2, on April 30, 2010, followed by the launch of Thor on June 4, 2010. Additionally, Marvel is planting its feature film stakes for summer 2011 with an Avengers-themed summer – a two-picture project which will debut on May 6, 2011 with The First Avenger: Captain America (working title), followed by The Avengers in July 2011.

[Dotten]

This is just awesome. I never thought they could pull it off. I hope they will succeed and that Thor, Cap, Iron Man and Fury will be in this movie.

To bad they don't have the rights for Spider-Man and X-Men. Would have loved to see them in it too.

[Blader5489]

Wow, so Robert Downey Jr. and whoever plays Cap will be filming their individual movies and the Avengers back-to-back. Whatever...this is ****ing great news!!!

[Mister Sinister]

Here's hoping they can get Norton to play Banner.

[CaptainStacy]

Having...fanboy meltdown....can't....breathe....:up:

[FaT_tONle]

I wonder who the villains will be... logically I'd assume it would be a carry over from Captain America (Baron Helmut Zemo maybe)... but maybe they'll just cross over Mandarin and The Leader as well from IM and Hulk... without a doubt it will be some global terrorist network I can only imagine.

[CaptainStacy]

I wonder who the villains will be... logically I'd assume it would be a carry over from Captain America (Baron Helmut Zemo maybe)... but maybe they'll just cross over Mandarin and The Leader as well from IM and Hulk... without a doubt it will be some global terrorist network I can only imagine.

Absolutely. Perhaps Loki unites Zemo, Mandarin, and The Leader into a "Masters Of Evil" team, and the Avengers Assemble to stop them. :word:

[William_C]

My juices are flowing, liquid hot mag-mah. The end, end of Iron Man, along with this?! I cant wait to see Hulk.

[FaT_tONle]

Absolutely. Perhaps Loki unites Zemo, Mandarin, and The Leader into a "Masters Of Evil" team, and the Avengers Assemble to stop them. :word:

Those 4 guys would be perfect... sort of like the grand daddy villain for every Avenger member almost :woot:.

[CaptainStacy]

Those 4 guys would be perfect... sort of like the grand daddy villain for every Avenger member almost :woot:.

Exactly. All except Ant-Man. And that is a perfect opportunity to have Pym be the "X-Factor" that the villains dont plan for, maybe finally bumping Ant-Man's status up a bit in the fan's eyes...

[MarvelMovies]

Can you imagine the cast for the Avengers...

Samuel L. Jackson, Edward Norton, Robert Downey Jr., Thor actor, Captain America actor... wow!

[CaptainStacy]

Can you imagine the cast for the Avengers...

Samuel L. Jackson, Edward Norton, Robert Downey Jr., Thor actor, Captain America actor... wow!

Can you imagine seeing the SHIELD helicarrier or Triskelion rendered by TODAY'S special effects? :wow: :wow: :wow:

[donk70]

Marvel's definitely doing it right.

I can hardly wait to see what Cap looks like

[donk70]

Can you imagine the cast for the Avengers...

Samuel L. Jackson, Edward Norton, Robert Downey Jr., Thor actor, Captain America actor... wow!
They're going have $100 million tied up in salaries alone

[CaptainStacy]

They're going have $100 million tied up in salaries alone

Nah, i dont think any of those guys are 20 million dollar salaried actors...Thor may even be cast with an unknown actor, according to Matthew Vaughn...

[Obi-Ron]

Avengers Assemble!

[NoirMan82]

Are you listening WB? Can you take notes please? This is how you plan for things! I'm sad we won't get a "real" Marvel movie in 2009, but the next 2010 and 2011 will rock so f-ing hard. I glad Thor has finally got the greenlight, now Vaughn can stop whining a little. I see Marvel becoming the Disney of superhero films, and that's the way I like it.

[MarvelMovies]

They seem to be following the Ultimate Avengers animated film... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Avengers


Iron Man
Captain America
Hulk
Ant-Man
Thor
Nick Fury


I could also see the Wasp being incorporated leading up to a spin-off Ant-Man film.

[NoirMan82]

Nah, i dont think any of those guys are 20 million dollar salaried actors...Thor may even be cast with an unknown actor, according to Matthew Vaughn...

Also remember that all those guys are fans first and actors second with these movies. They have the same love for the characters that we do, and want this to happen just as much. They may even take pay cuts to help out.

[X-Maniac]

Interesting stuff. It all sounds good so far, like proper planning and no rushing!

I blogged about the Marvel film slate here:

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2008/05/marvel-announces-iron-man-sequ.html

[CFE]

http://www.firstshowing.net/img/marvel-avengers.jpg

...word.

:up:

CFE

[Mister J]

This is ****ing great. I'm glad this is all really starting to take shape. I had outside hopes for Thor in the 2009 holiday season, but it's easy to see why Marvel would opt for a proper summer release; whatever it takes to do it right.

Having the Cap solo flick a few months before the full Avengers release is excellent. I believe that greatly raises the likelihood that it'll be a period piece that ends with him being discovered in suspended animation.
Avengers Assemble!
Yes! :applaud

[Tempest19]

****in' A! Can't believe it's going to finally be happening.

[CFE]

As excited as I am for 'MARVEL,' it also makes me that much more bitter that 'DC' can't get its act together the same way...

CFE

[Tempest19]

As excited as I am for 'MARVEL,' it also makes me that much more bitter that 'DC' can't get its act together the same way...

CFE

Yeah, they're only focus is Batman, Superman, and a JLA movie with no set up. :csad:

[CFE]

Yeah, they're only focus is Batman, Superman, and a JLA movie with no set up. :csad:

I know it's insane...I mean if not a 'JL' film, they need to at least realize they've got other characters besides Bats and Supes.

But anyway, I'm very pleased with the approach Marvel is taking to actually get things done now.

If not for Marvel now interested in funding some of its own projects, I have a feeling we would've never been on the path to 'Avengers.'

I'm truly a DC fan at heart, but I'm VERY happy with the next batch of 'Marvel' projects lined up. So bad ass!

CFE

[SuperBatman]

I can't believe this ever would happen. Good For Marvel its just a shame DC can't plan like this. I can't wait to see Cap and the Avengers in a real action Movie.

[SuperBatman]

Yeah, they're only focus is Batman, Superman, and a JLA movie with no set up. :csad:

Actually I heard they Dropped the JLA and now are planning on Wonder Woman.

[MarvelMovies]

For those of you who don't already know...

Screenwriter Zak Penn
http://internapse.com/marvel/news.php?id=880
August 10, 2006

On page 70 of the Marvel Studios Overview Presentation informs that Zak Penn (Incredible Hulk, X-Men: The Last Stand, X2: X-Men United) is writing the screenplay for the big screen adaptation of the Avengers.

The character team is described as follows: "The Avengers are Earth's mightiest heroes, formed to fight the foes no single hero could withstand. The Avengers are the most prestigious and powerful super-hero team in the world."

[Dotten]

In the 80's the norwegian soccer-team beat England and the norwegian commentator yelled out what the brits now look upon as the best comment ever made. Someone should edit it to be WB (with WB execs and so on) instead of England. It goes like this:

"Lord Nelson! Lord Beaverbrook! Sir Winston Churchill! Sir Anthony Eden! Clement Attlee! Henry Cooper! Lady Diana! Maggie Thatcher - can you hear me, Maggie Thatcher! Your boys took one hell of a beating! Your boys took one hell of a beating!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqupNjswVnQ&feature=related

:D

(Note: I love both DC and Marvel. Just wish WB could get something else then Batman right from the DC-universe)

[Mister J]

As excited as I am for 'MARVEL,' it also makes me that much more bitter that 'DC' can't get its act together the same way...

CFE
The lack of property capitalization at WB is disgusting. You would hope that Iron Man's success and the formalized plan they have for the mega crossover would serve as some sort of inspiration.

At least one company isn't suffering from such off-putting stagnation.

[CFE]

The lack of property capitalization at WB is disgusting. You would hop ethat Iron Man's success and the formalized plan they have for the mega crossover would serve as some sort of inspiration.

At least one company isn't suffering from such off-putting stagnation.

I know, it's the stupidest thing man...

I mean 'Marvel' churned out, of all things, a 'Ghost Rider' film...a freaking 'ELEKTRA' film!...a now has potential plans for 'Ant-Man'...'ANT-MAN!!!'...but Warners can't get a 'Flash' or, even better, a 'GL' film together to save their lives.

Completely absurd, IMO :whatever:

CFE

[CaptainCanada]

Actually I heard they Dropped the JLA and now are planning on Wonder Woman.
No, Joel Silver's comments on April 30th were that no progress has been made on WW in the last year, and he hopes to make the film "some day". No writer, no director, no nothing.

[Tempest19]

There's only one foreseeable obstacle that the film will face: who will direct?

Or will this be the first film ever that has around five directors on board?

[NoirMan82]

There's only one foreseeable obstacle that the film will face: who will direct?

Or will this be the first film ever that has around five directors on board?

I'd like to see Favs, back on board. He got the tone just right with IM, and he's already proven himself. However, I'd also be open to Peter Jackson too. He handled a big cast well in LOTR, and he could use another sure-fire film to helm.

[CaptainStacy]

There's only one foreseeable obstacle that the film will face: who will direct?


Favreau FTW! :word:

[smashmode]

To bad they don't have the rights for Spider-Man and X-Men. Would have loved to see them in it too.


Only Wolverine really crossovers between the two, although I will agree with SPider Man, who has been much more intertwined into the avenger universe.

[The Guard]

Cool. I think it's obvious who/what the villain will be.

[Compi716]

This is how I think things are going to go:

The Captain America movie comes out right before the Avengers movie. Perhaps, the Captain America film will be a period piece, ending with Cap being frozen. Cliffhanger ending.

The Avengers starts with the finding of Captain America, similar to Ultimates 1 #3. I really think this is how they're doing these films. Call it a "hunch."

;)

[Crook]

Wow, so they're actually going through with it. This is practically the perfect time schedule to set up a team-up movie.

Goddammit WB, you coulda had this. :(

[Keymaker]

DC's new Batman movies are still arguably better than anything Marvel does, though :woot:

[CaptainStacy]

DC's new Batman movies are still arguably better than anything Marvel does, though :woot:

That's opinion. I found batman begins a little slow, but was completely enthralled by Iron Man.

[Armored Avenger]

I can not wait for these films! Iron Man 2, Thor, Captain America and the Avengers! Its going to be amazing!

[Mister J]

DC's new Batman movies are still arguably better than anything Marvel does, though :woot:
That petty DC v. Marvel stuff is not going to start in here.

The move toward making something as ambitious as the Avengers should be something that ALL comic fans should be able to celebrate. In the alternative, concerns about the viability or quality of the matter can be addressed without the grade school 'my company is better than your company' routine.

[The Guard]

Well said.

[Keymaker]

That petty DC v. Marvel stuff is not going to start in here.
Nah, I'm just saying that those who are whining about DC doing nothing like these Marvel crossovers should just shut up and enjoy the few quality movies we are getting from them :woot:

[Captain Planet!]

Having...fanboy meltdown....can't....breathe....:up:
I feel your painful excitement man, I feel it.

[Colossal Spoons]

So excited. REALLY hope Vision is in it :D

[AndThePickles]

I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Captain Planet!]

So excited. REALLY hope Vision is in it :D
I don't think he will be... Not that many people really know about him.