Should Ra's Al Ghul return?

[Mr. Socko]

What are your thoughts about Ra's possibly returning in a future sequel directed by Christopher Nolan? Part 3 or (unlikely but)possibly one more after that. Do you think Ra's is worthy enough to deserve another role as a bat-villain in at least one more film which would more than likely mean a return via the Lazarus Pit. Or do you think he was handled perfectly in Begins and doesn't need to make a return?

[BubbaGump]

Yeah, his death was left pretty ambiguous. I wouldn't be surprised if he came back.
*gasp* It would be another twist! :ninja:

[The Shredder]

Ra's was brought to life fairly well for what Nolan's Batman universe required that character to be. And I really dont see much of a need to have him reappear in a future sequel. His daughter on the other hand ....

[CaptainClown]

I think having Rahs reappear could bring back that fantasy element

[BurtonBegan]

5th film at the very very earliest

[Acid Snowman]

I like when villains either die and stay dead, or live. I'll make an exception for the horror-movie style tricks where he seems to die, but then pops back at ya a moment later.

[Bishop]

ra's al ghul's main thing is not dying

they must bring him back eventually

[Mr. Socko]

5th film at the very very earliest


This isn't even accessible. First off, Nolan probably won't be directing Batman that long down the line. And by the time a Batman 5 comes out, Neeson would be in his 60s. Al Ghul is suppose to forever look young(er). By film 5, they'd probably have recast everyone and bringing Ra's back that late would be a total loss as the general audience would not remember him from that long ago and the effect would be completely diminished if he's not Neeson.

The way I see it, part 3 or never.

[Two-Face]

Yes I wanted him back.

[Robin91939]

I always wanted:

Batman Begins (2005): Villains- Ra's Al Ghul, Scarecrow, Carmine Falcone, Victor Zsasz
The Dark Knight (2008): Villains- The Joker, Scarecrow, Salvator Maroni, Two-face
Batman 3 (2011): Villains- Two-face, The Joker, Oswald Cobblepot

World's Finest aka Batman/Superman film (2014): Villains- Lex Luthor, Ra's Al Ghul, Ubu, Metallo

-R

[Brendan]

I say meh to the last two.

[Two-Face]

Batman 3 is happening but I'm not sure about WF.

[Rezzo]

With Liam Neeson playing him, of course I´d want him back :up:

¨But is Ra's al Ghul immortal?, Are his methods supernatural?¨

[FaT_tONle]

Hopefully the JLA bombs and they will reaize they need Bale and Routh for an ensemble to work... so my best bet would be Ra's returning in a WF movie seven years down the line. Other than that he has no chance of coming back... I doubt even Bale and Routh will be coming back to do a fourth installment in either a solo or ensemble adventure

[Punisher RULES]

As long as Liam plays him, He did a great ****in' job in BB.

[Venom 1988]

Sure, I would love for him to come back in the third film. :up:

[TNC9852002]

I don't think he should return. The sequels are shaping up to be bigger than the first and since Ra's was such a pivotal and complex villain, I don't see how they could work out having him return with a progressive storyline as his intentions in the first movie seemed one-way.

-TNC

[El Payaso]

Yeah, his death was left pretty ambiguous. I wouldn't be surprised if he came back.

Yeah. That was so ambiguous. He just smashed himself inside a train against the street, go through it and suffered 3 giant explosions. I mean, who knows.

[Mr. Socko]

Yeah. That was so ambiguous. He just smashed himself inside a train against the street, go through it and suffered 3 giant explosions. I mean, who knows.


It was all left unanswered. I'd love for him to return using the Pit.

[CaptainClown]

The fantasy element has always been there.:huh: :o

Ditto. :yay:

what fantasy element.. I like BB but I didn't see it, care to enlighten me?

[CaptainClown]

I'm not saying its realistic but it certainly didn't have a fantasy element. It was fictional but hardly fantasy. I mean fantasy in the sense that Ras comes back to life.

[CaptainClown]

His death was indeed ambiguous and thats why bringing him back would add to that fantasy element.

[Blader5489]

Absolutely not.

Threads like these make me wonder if you guys even understand Nolan's take on Batman.

[CaptainClown]

Understanding and having wants are really different. I know what Nolan is going for but doesn't stop me from wanting something like that to occur, so I UNDERSTAND why he wouldn't put anything like that in it.

[Mr. Socko]

Absolutely not.

Threads like these make me wonder if you guys even understand Nolan's take on Batman.


You mean he can't come back because of Nolan's dark gritty realism?

[Zooks]

ra's used one of batman's tools and zipped his way out the back or the window that batman broke to get take flight.

[dar-El]

Did anyone read the film novel? Just before the end, Batman had a conversation with Gordon in which he stated that no body had been found! Maybe one of the henchmen or Ubu's found it and took it to the Lazarus pit?

[CaptainClown]

Well that is assuming that the idea of the Lazarus pit is around. Which I really doubt there is in the world that was set up. Though I think it would be really cool.

[Starscreamer]

There are SO many baddies I would rather see than him

[Super_Ludacris]

I think he will return:ninja:

[Mr. Socko]

Now that I think about it, I'm honestly not sure how it could even happen. And I mean other than the thought that the Lazarus pit might not work in Nolan's world.

Someone above said that no body was said to be found in the novelization. Well I don't think anyone would think otherwise. The train crashed and then exploded! There's not going to be a body at all to put into a Lazarus Pit, now is there. What's Ubu going to place in the pit, A bag of bones?

If he were to come back, he may be played by someone else and explained in a way that he jumped souls. Back in '05, this debate was hot. Someone had made a GIF from the film, with the train crashing and in slow motion you could see a black shadowy figure jumping out from a window of the train but that was dispelled as just wreckage from the train.

[Super_Ludacris]

Nolan :heart: Subliminals...

[Cyrusbales]

It would show a lack of creativity and expansion, also it would go against the supposed realism that everyone claims to love about the film.

[Mr. Socko]

It would show a lack of creativity and expansion, also it would go against the supposed realism that everyone claims to love about the film.


What? how would it be a lack of creativity? It most likely won't happen but this is what these forums is for. We all know what Ra's greatest trait is.

[Cyrusbales]

What? how would it be a lack of creativity? It most likely won't happen but this is what these forums is for. We all know what Ra's greatest trait is.

Well we don't need the same villain again, for something with such wealth of source material, why tread old ground? Ra's isn't the most imaginative villain anyway, to bring him back again would be pointless.

[Mr. Socko]

Well we don't need the same villain again, for something with such wealth of source material, why tread old ground? Ra's isn't the most imaginative villain anyway, to bring him back again would be pointless.


Since this is a trilogy of films that take years to create, I'm inclined to agree.:csad:

[EagleVision]

How would he return? I wish they had the Lazarus Pit but without it, he couldn't have teleported out of there. He was completely incinerated. But like others have said, it would make sense for his daughter to come in with her gang to exact revenge, in which case I'd say bring on Aishwayra Rai baby!

[Artistsean]

His death was a left open, but I don't think they want to do anything like Spider-Man and focus too much on one Batman villian. Even though it would be cool.
I think its more likely they will introduce Talia as the new crime leader, taking over for her father.
Its also keeping more with the Batman Begins reality to have his character stay dead.

[GregComicFan]

A part of me thinks Ras Al Ghul should return because I REALLY like how the X-Men trilogy had Magneto in each film. It really allowed for the villain to grow as a character, along with the heroes. Ian McKellan breathed life into the villain, showed many times of his personality, and made him somewhat sympathetic. A hero is only as good as the villains he faces, so I really liked how we got three films to understand Magneto....and honestly in my opinion Magneto was the overall best defined character in the X-Men trilogy, because of the focus and development he received.

So basically I like the idea of returning villains....

we all know Joker is going to be in The Dark Knight and Batman 3....

so we're getting that with the Joker.

If Ras Al Ghul returned in part 3, one bad thing would be I DO NOT see at all Ras Al Ghul and the Joker being a good team-up. Those two villains would just not work together whatsoever.

Greg

[GregComicFan]

also....


Since Nolan's Batman is so grounded in reality...the greatest twist of his Batman trilogy could be Bruce's discovery of the existence of the supernatural (Ras' immortality).

SPOILERS!



Look at the ending to "The Prestige"...which Nolan directed too. The ovie was semi-realistic, then flipped that notion upside-down at the end (with all the Hugh Jackman clones) So it could work...

I'm not saying I like this idea, I'm just saying taking a realistic movie and then BAM! the supernatural arrives is an interesting twist.