In the G1 Cartoon, does Grimlock rarely transform to Robot Mode?

[toddly6666]

In the G1 Cartoon, is it rare when Grimlock transforms to robot mode? I've been watching the episodes, especially the later ones, does Grimlock just stay as a T-Rex? I've always thought he was funny as hell in the show, but I always liked seeing his Robot mode. Can anyone list the episodes in which he transforms to his Robot Mode?

By the way, just watched the "Grimlock's New Brain" episode, and it was one of the best G1 episodes i've watched. This one was certainly the best mix of humor and drama.

Nosecone speaking to Grimlock, "uhh...are you my father?" Classic. I now want to seek out the technobots (technoboticons?) toys, since they are all technically the children of Grimlock!

[lars573]

In season three he almost never transforms. But he'd been relegated to comic relief (and the rest of the dinos dropped as requring characters), which requires his dino form. In seasons 1 and 2 they aren't about much but they do transform in the episodes they are in.

[toddly6666]

Grimlock may always be comic relief, but in the third season, Grimlock is given more respect by his peers, I think, in two episodes.

"You...think...Grimlock...stooppid. I...show...you..."

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Every Episode of Season 1 & 2 that featured The Dinobots they are seen Transforming but in Season 3 only Grimlock Transformers a few time's.There were a fw episodes that he didnt transform at all.

[Tenkyoen]

Yeah, He doesn't transform much in the 3rd season, but he always did like to stay in his dino mode, as did the other Dinobots. In fact, I think they preffered it that way. They always wanted to show that they were different than other Autobots, it might have been an ego thing with Grimlock and the rest of the Dinobots just followed him.

[spidergrant]

i feel like grimlock was the only dinobot who got attention. except in the movie but for some reason snarl didnt show up except in one seen you see him

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

i feel like grimlock was the only dinobot who got attention. except in the movie but for some reason snarl didnt show up except in one seen you see him

Yes its concidered to be an animation error,due to the fact that when you see Snarl you dont see Swoop.

[spidergrant]

oh. how come they didnt put him in the story at all

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

oh. how come they didnt put him in the story at all

There are so many rumors to why that its hard to sayy with 100% certainty........but the most reasonable one I've heard was that just like with the designs and trademark with the Jetfire/Skyfire toy mold , Hasbro didnt have the trademark rights to you Snarls design in a major motion picture......in case you didnt know Jetfire/Skyfire looked very different as a toy compaird to his cartoon rendishion.

[spidergrant]

that sucks. is that why they didnt show most of the chracter deaths

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

that sucks. is that why they didnt show most of the chracter deaths


I think that was just a time issue

[spidergrant]

oh. if only they would have made that movie longer

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

oh. if only they would have made that movie longer

I just wish that they would have compleated some of the scene's when the released the 20th ani.DVD but they didnt.

[spidergrant]

i want to buy the 20th aniversery addition just so i can own a copy instead of watching the movie on the internet

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

i want to buy the 20th aniversery addition just so i can own a copy instead of watching the movie on the internet


If you want a copy I could burn 1 for you??????

[spidergrant]

ok that would be good but how would you get it to me

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

ok that would be good but how would you get it to me


If you pay me the cost of 2 blank DVDs and the cost to ship I can do it....shipping should be less then $6 usd.Then I can ship it to you.by the way where are you?

[spidergrant]

i live in iowa. and why would i need to buy 2 blank cds wouldnt it just be one. and how much would each cd be

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

i live in iowa. and why would i need to buy 2 blank cds wouldnt it just be one. and how much would each cd be

Its a two disk set Widescrean and regular.I'm not much into math but pay for 5 blank DVD about $5.99 so I gues their about $1.25 a peace.

[spidergrant]

well i would tell you wear to send it but im only 13 and if my mom finds out about this shed get all mad and say how you could have been a predator

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

well i would tell you wear to send it but im only 13 and if my mom finds out about this shed get all mad and say how you could have been a predator

Thats the last thing I need too.........FBI guys busting down my door and taking my daughter away she's going to be 13 in november

[spidergrant]

There are so many rumors to why that its hard to sayy with 100% certainty........but the most reasonable one I've heard was that just like with the designs and trademark with the Jetfire/Skyfire toy mold , Hasbro didnt have the trademark rights to you Snarls design in a major motion picture......in case you didnt know Jetfire/Skyfire looked very different as a toy compaird to his cartoon rendishion.
i dont get the whole trademark thing is dumb. how could the put the other four dinobots in the movie but snarl couldnt be in it

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

i dont get the whole trademark thing is dumb. how could the put the other four dinobots in the movie but snarl couldnt be in it

Hasbro did not own the rights to the design of the figure........They rented the rights to reproduce the toys and his image in the cartoon and comic but that agrement did not extend to a movie.Why it did for the other Dinobots I dont know but trademark laws are very confusing to say the least.
The character of Jetfire knowen as Skyfire on the show had a similar issue.........Hasbro got the rights to reproduce the toy in the U.S. but his image had to be changed for the show and comics due to the fact that the people that brought Macross to the U.S. and called it Robotech had the rights to the toys likeness.........here I'll post some pics of Jetfire / Skyfire and the Robotech toy.

Jetfire/Skyfire toy
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p192/sto_vo_kor_2000/Transformers/G1%20and%20G2/480_robot.jpg

Jetfire/Skyfire Toon and Comic design
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p192/sto_vo_kor_2000/Transformers/G1%20and%20G2/skyfire1e.jpg

Robotech
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p192/sto_vo_kor_2000/Transformers/G1%20and%20G2/VF1Spict.gif

[lars573]

i dont get the whole trademark thing is dumb. how could the put the other four dinobots in the movie but snarl couldnt be in it
Your never going to find a good reason why Snarl wasn't used in the movie beyond a few back ground shots.

Hasbro did not own the rights to the design of the figure........They rented the rights to reproduce the toys and his image in the cartoon and comic but that agrement did not extend to a movie.Why it did for the other Dinobots I dont know but trademark laws are very confusing to say the least.
The character of Jetfire knowen as Skyfire on the show had a similar issue.........Hasbro got the rights to reproduce the toy in the U.S. but his image had to be changed for the show and comics due to the fact that the people that brought Macross to the U.S. and called it Robotech had the rights to the toys likeness.........here I'll post some pics of Jetfire / Skyfire and the Robotech toy.
Leased actually. Hasbro leased any transforming robot toy from Japanese toy companies in 1984. From Toybox they took what became Omega Supreme (and later on Skylinx). From Toyco the Astro magnum toy, AKA Shockwave. From Takatoku toys they took two from the Armored Batalion Dorvack and made Whirl and Roadbuster. From Beetras they made the 4 deluxe insecticons. And from Takatoku's SDF Macross line Jetfire. The problems arose because Bandai bought out Takatoku just after Hasbro made the lease deals. Takara wasn't about to have their main competitors toys featured prominently in the show. Hence Jetfire became Skyfire, and none of the other now Bandai toys were even mentioned in the show. And the only one of the non-Takara sourced TF toys to see release in Japan was Shockwave, until reissue Skylinx drops that is.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Your never going to find a good reason why Snarl wasn't used in the movie beyond a few back ground shots.


Leased actually. Hasbro leased any transforming robot toy from Japanese toy companies in 1984. From Toybox they took what became Omega Supreme (and later on Skylinx). From Toyco the Astro magnum toy, AKA Shockwave. From Takatoku toys they took two from the Armored Batalion Dorvack and made Whirl and Roadbuster. From Beetras they made the 4 deluxe insecticons. And from Takatoku's SDF Macross line Jetfire. The problems arose because Bandai bought out Takatoku just after Hasbro made the lease deals. Takara wasn't about to have their main competitors toys featured prominently in the show. Hence Jetfire became Skyfire, and none of the other now Bandai toys were even mentioned in the show. And the only one of the non-Takara sourced TF toys to see release in Japan was Shockwave, until reissue Skylinx drops that is.

I used the term rent to make it eazer to understand ...and I agree with you about Snarl ,I was just pointing out that it was the only ruumered reason that made some sence.
But your information on the Jetfire/Skyfire I have a question about........are you saying that the reason you posted is why they made the name change or the design change?

[lars573]

That's what I read, and it makes sense. Bandai was/is Takara's main competitor in the giant robot market, lords of Gundam, Machine robo (Gobots), and Super Sentai (Power Rangers) that they are. The name change happened because firstly Takara insisted the animated character to be as far from a VH-1 Valkyrie look alike as possible, and they'd change the animation models so extensively that it really wasn't Jetfire anymore.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

That's what I read, and it makes sense. Bandai was/is Takara's main competitor in the giant robot market, lords of Gundam, Machine robo (Gobots), and Super Sentai (Power Rangers) that they are. The name change happened because firstly Takara insisted the animated character to be as far from a VH-1 Valkyrie look alike as possible, and they'd change the animation models so extensively that it really wasn't Jetfire anymore.

I'm not so sure about what you read on the name change since the Marvel Comic of the time used the name Jetfire.....I always thought it was a script error much like the name David Banner given to the Hulks alter-ego on the tv serries...........And as for your idea on why the design change ,I beleave your a bit miss-informed ,Bandi didnt get the rights to start produceing Macross figures untill late 1984 and didnt release any till early 1985.The Robotech didnt make its first U.S. arring till March of 1985 althou it was on the air in Japan in early 1982.
Hasbro wouldnt have been worried that Jetfires likeness would be on a competitors show because when season 1 of Transformers was being produce it had no competitor in Robotech..........but those that owned the rights to Macross were in dealing to bring the show and the toylineto the U.S. and they decided not to sell the rights to the likeness to Hasbro in antisapation of having Macross on the U.S. market.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

An other reason I dont think that Takara didnt have anything to do with the design change with Jetfire is becaus if I'm right out of all the toys that Hasbro bought to fill in the Transformers toyline ,Shockwave was the only only one that was reproduce by Takara and marketed and sold as part of the Transformers line in Japan.Jetfire ,Roadbuster, Whirl, Omega Supreme, Venom, Barrage,Chop shop and Ransack were never re-released by Takara fot their Transformer toyline and they never planed to.So I doubt that they would have cared what Hasbro and Marvel did with the toy design

[lars573]

Actually Takara did care, a lot. They were going to launch the TF line in their market. And TF's at that time were a partnership between Hasbro and Takara. So Takara would have a say. And you really can't hold up the comic using the name Jetfire as a proof that the name change was an accidnet. Considering that today TF comics feature characters named Hook, Motormaster, Bluestreak, Mixmaster, and Trailbreaker. All names that Hasbro would be very hard pressed to ever put on a toy again due to trademarking issues. An add to that after the first 4 issues the Marvel G1 comic and TV show part company and never meat again.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Actually Takara did care, a lot. They were going to launch the TF line in their market. And TF's at that time were a partnership between Hasbro and Takara. So Takara would have a say. And you really can't hold up the comic using the name Jetfire as a proof that the name change was an accidnet. Considering that today TF comics feature characters named Hook, Motormaster, Bluestreak, Mixmaster, and Trailbreaker. All names that Hasbro would be very hard pressed to ever put on a toy again due to trademarking issues. An add to that after the first 4 issues the Marvel G1 comic and TV show part company and never meat again.

I wasnt holding it up as proff that it was an accident....I'm just saying I thought it was.As for the partner-shipp between Takara and Hasbro&Marvel/Sunbow, it was more or a 70% x 30% partner ship in favor of Hasbro & asociates.Takara provided the toys molds and the first character designs for the show and they were againts [at first] Hasbro looking twards its competitors in Japan for other Toys to fill in the Transformers toyline in the U.S. The fact that Shockwave is the only G1 toy ,that was purchased by Hasbro from a Takara competitor, that was reproduced by Takara and released as part of their Transformers brand toyline is evidence of that.Even as of late Hasbro seems to exsert a lot of pull over Takara, Micro legend [Armada] was never intended to feature Unicron but Hasbro insisted.Super Link ;Energon] was never intended to be a sequel to Micron legend [Armada] but Hasbro insisted.The only time Takara took a stand against Hasbro was with Galaxy Force [Cybertron].
Your last 2 comment's are confusing......I dont see why you would bring up trademark issues with those names when the names Jetfire or Skyfire have never been restricted to Hasbro for use......and Tv show and Marvel parting company after the first 4 issues??????Marvel was very instrumental in the developement in the production of the Transformers 1986 movie witch was well after the first 4 issues of the Marvel run.

[spidergrant]

i think transformers the movie was awesome but its too bad that the movie kind of made the series go down hill

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

i think transformers the movie was awesome but its too bad that the movie kind of made the series go down hill

Yeah I myself love that movie they just went the wrong way with season 3.

[spidergrant]

yeah and that really stinks considering on how many cool transformers they had like scorponok, abomitron, omega supreme, metroplex.springer. just tons of them but they had to get bad writers. if only the beastwars writers could go back in tim and write g1

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

yeah and that really stinks considering on how many cool transformers they had like scorponok, abomitron, omega supreme, metroplex.springer. just tons of them but they had to get bad writers. if only the beastwars writers could go back in tim and write g1

abomitron? There was no such Transformer.

[spidergrant]

your write. i forgot his name but he was like 5 monster robots put togethor

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

your write. i forgot his name but he was like 5 monster robots put togethor

The Team was called the Terrorcons and their combined form was called Abominus.

[spidergrant]

yeah thats who i meant. did the terrorcons ever fight the dinobots because that would be awesome

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

yeah thats who i meant. did the terrorcons ever fight the dinobots because that would be awesome

There was a episode called Call of the Primatives where there is a large fight scene and both Groups are in it but I dont remember if they fight each other in it.

[spidergrant]

what about dinobots and predacons. i know it wouldnt be as cool as terrorcons. i know the predacon to commercial had them fight each other

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

what about dinobots and predacons. i know it wouldnt be as cool as terrorcons. i know the predacon to commercial had them fight each other

In the same epispde a fight each other a bit but thats it.In the U.S. and U.K. G1 Marvel comic's they do get into it from time to time.

[spidergrant]

well except when they turn into predaking i dont think they have a chance. and they should have had a big fight metween the terrorcons and dinobots because that would be awesome. think about it monsters vs dinosaurs that would be like the best fight ever

[Lunar_Wolf]

Season 3 was so bad for most part.
I remember an episode where Hot Rod, Acree and Ultra Magnus
got transfered into human bodies. I thought this would be
very interesting with the TF trying to handle new bodies, but
the episode was so lame. They didn't even seem bothered that
they were in human bodies now experiencing new things.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Season 3 was so bad for most part.
I remember an episode where Hot Rod, Acree and Ultra Magnus
got transfered into human bodies. I thought this would be
very interesting with the TF trying to handle new bodies, but
the episode was so lame. They didn't even seem bothered that
they were in human bodies now experiencing new things.

You mean Rodimus Prime:trans:

[Lunar_Wolf]

You mean Rodimus Prime:trans:

Ah yes....Rodimus:csad:

[spidergrant]

i think rodimus would be cooler than optimus if season 3 could have gotten some actually good writing

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

If he were written like he was in the movie he would have been better

[spidergrant]

i wonder what would have happened if ultra magnus became leader. because i think it would basically be a blue optimus prime. but who know

[portland2002]

i wonder what would have happened if ultra magnus became leader. because i think it would basically be a blue optimus prime. but who know

He would have been cool.