View Full Version : [Thor Movie] Which version of Mjolnir to use?
JediMasterConor
09-13-2007, 07:13 PM
Well?
Venomfan
09-13-2007, 10:43 PM
definatly the regular 616
why? because its a medieval weapon, it should look like it actually came from back then. the ultimate one looks modern
Savage
09-13-2007, 10:51 PM
Pretty much exactly what Venomfan said. Big ass stone hammer. This thing should LOOK tough to lift. Like the size of a shoebox or a cinderblock or something.
cookiva
09-13-2007, 11:01 PM
Pretty much exactly what Venomfan said. Big ass stone hammer. This thing should LOOK tough to lift. Like the size of a shoebox or a cinderblock or something.
Cinderblock. It honestly has to.
CaptainStacy
09-13-2007, 11:03 PM
616.
odiin
09-13-2007, 11:51 PM
Dig the Ultimate Thor Costume, DON'T dig the Ultimate Thor hammer.
3dman27
09-14-2007, 05:33 AM
Pretty much exactly what Venomfan said. Big ass stone hammer. This thing should LOOK tough to lift. Like the size of a shoebox or a cinderblock or something.
agreed
Oerwinde
09-14-2007, 05:46 AM
I think based on the 616 hammer, but with some more style. Give it some carved runes and such, maybe a slightly longer hilt. Not quite Maul length, but long enough that it gets some momentum when swung and you can fit two hands on it. Other than that, yeah, big stone hammer.
Mr Jide
09-14-2007, 05:50 AM
616 version and yes, it has too actually look freakin' heavy.
Nathan
09-14-2007, 06:03 AM
I wouldn't mind if his Hammer looked like the Ultimate version. After all, he's a god. So his weapon could look a bit otherwordly.
gkokujin
09-14-2007, 09:22 AM
I wouldn't mind the historically accurate thors hammer, but that or the 616 Hammer.
Savage
09-14-2007, 11:15 AM
I think based on the 616 hammer, but with some more style. Give it some carved runes and such, maybe a slightly longer hilt. Not quite Maul length, but long enough that it gets some momentum when swung and you can fit two hands on it. Other than that, yeah, big stone hammer.
It should actually have that Thor oath carved on it but rune style. That'd be pretty cool.
And yeah, the hilt should be about the length of an escrima stick or something.
I can't wait to see this guy swing that heavy bastard at godly speeds. When it collides with something the impact should be fantastic. I hope he fights Hulk in the Avengers movie. I want to see windows shatter every time that thing collides with the Hulk's skull.
Savage
09-14-2007, 11:16 AM
I wouldn't mind if his Hammer looked like the Ultimate version. After all, he's a god. So his weapon could look a bit otherwordly.
That hammer looks very close to Beta Ray Bill's hammer though so as much as I like it, no thanks.
Dig the Ultimate Thor Costume, DON'T dig the Ultimate Thor hammer.
I'll simply vomit if they use that awful ultimate ax hammer.
They MUST use the real hammer...
http://home.cshore.com/bucwheat/mjolnir.jpg
X-Maniac
09-17-2007, 06:52 PM
^^^ but hopefully the carvings/writing would be Norse runes, not English. It would be so crappy to have some American English slogan written on it.
Savage
09-17-2007, 08:31 PM
Exactly. And the hammer itself must be bigger. Heavy looking. If the Hulk holds it I want it to still look huge.
Wolfman
09-18-2007, 01:49 AM
Maybe some re-designing is at order. Not much, but maybe something along this way:
http://store.higherheart.com/shopimages/products/normal/Thors-Hammer-Pendant.jpg
Kinda sledgehammerish maybe... but still close to the original of course.
Oerwinde
09-18-2007, 05:17 AM
I'll simply vomit if they use that awful ultimate ax hammer.
They MUST use the real hammer...
http://home.cshore.com/bucwheat/mjolnir.jpg
What I would do for the movie is take that, make the head bigger, and the handle about half again as long. Have the leather strapping start closer to the bottom and have runes carved in the head and upper half of the handle. Also make it look less manufactured.
Vartha
09-18-2007, 05:22 AM
616 is a must.
ANTOINE X
09-18-2007, 10:37 AM
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/5thavenuecandlesandcollectible_1965_706210
ANTOINE X
09-18-2007, 10:45 AM
although I m not so sure about the blue pants....
ANTOINE X
09-18-2007, 10:50 AM
this costume is not bad
http://www.dynamicforces.com/images/THOR1NEW.jpg
http://www.dynamicforces.com/images/thor1turner.jpg
hippie_hunter
09-18-2007, 10:50 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/New_thor.jpg
This is how Thor should look like in the movie.
Savage
09-18-2007, 11:12 AM
Actually I think there can be a nice compromise. For one thing, remove the sleeves and make the pants some kind of dark blue leather (I really don't think metal pants is too comfortable. I have never seen chainmail pants before). I like the kind of tarp he has instead of the undies now.
But, chances are they are going to use this costume anyway considering the costume that they went with for Iron Man happens to be the most recent as well.
November Rain
09-18-2007, 11:17 AM
I quite like the modern day ultimate hammer purely for its size...
the way he holds it over his head and beats teh **** out of hulk with it wouldn't have made such an impact if it was normal size. Also being that size, it's easier to give the impressive that it's ****ing heavy. I'd rather it was supposed to be heavy along with the enchanment rather than having it look light and purely magic stopping people from lifting it.
November Rain
09-18-2007, 11:26 AM
http://www.hijinxcomics.com/images/ultimate_thor.jpg
saying this though, in ultimate avengers, it looked still too small and he was swinging it easily with one hand. it should be heavy like a broad sword and while slow to start spinning, it should gain momentum and be able to be thrown (additional grip to the end of it)
Savage
09-18-2007, 12:20 PM
The man has godlike strength plus he's worthy. Swinging it around to him should be like swinging a pillow. He should be the only one (well one of the few) able to swing it fast enough to make portals. I think the impact alone should show how heavy and powerful this thing truly is. The fact that he can weild it with such speed should make it even more frightening. I mean think of a wrestler picking up a cinderblock and smashing it across your head in one swift motion.
And as much as I love the Ultimate incarnation of Thor, keep that hammer with him. It just looks too modern for an old worldly type of character. They should make Mjolnir that BIG though. I definately want to see a huge Mjolnir that would still look big even in the hands of a character like The Hulk. In the Ultimate Avengers movie I think even the Hulk was able to get two hands around the handle. Those are some big hands.
November Rain
09-19-2007, 03:52 AM
i think the ultimate avengers one was scaled down.
alright, i should say the weight of it should potentially change depending on how much energy is being used...
light for swinging but if it's supposed to be bashed around someone's head, its weight is exaggerated for more impact
JustABill
09-19-2007, 05:13 AM
The hammer should look 616. Thor should wear his Ultimate outfit though.
Ahura Mazda
09-19-2007, 07:51 AM
the hammer should have a short handle as that comes straight from the mythology of the fabrication of Mjollnir.
Nathan
09-19-2007, 08:07 AM
If we'd follow mythology then Thor wouldn't be blonde. So as long as the hammer looks badass, I won't care how it looks like.
November Rain
09-19-2007, 08:51 AM
a mix and match of modern day costume with old style hammer wouldn't work in my eyes...
i think he should arrive in old school gear and probably stay in old gear (or an updated look to it).
Savage
09-19-2007, 11:09 AM
i think the ultimate avengers one was scaled down.
alright, i should say the weight of it should potentially change depending on how much energy is being used...
light for swinging but if it's supposed to be bashed around someone's head, its weight is exaggerated for more impact
I know where you're getting and to some degree I agree but then I keep remembering there has to be a difference between someone who is actually worthy and someone who can lift it through raw power and sheer will like The Hulk. I don't think that Thor should show any effort lifting this thing. Like when Arthur weilded Excaliber.
Mr Jide
09-19-2007, 11:10 AM
Wouldn't an updated look to the old school be the ultimate version?
Savage
09-19-2007, 11:26 AM
Not necessarily. It could be the one from the new series. What I would really like to see is a mix of the two.
November Rain
09-19-2007, 11:45 AM
i see the ultimate look more as a reinvention rather than an updated look.
pretty much ultimate thor is a complete reinvention look wise except for the long blonde hair and beard
JediMasterConor
09-19-2007, 01:15 PM
I like both the 616 and the Ultimate version, but I have to go with the Ultimate version.
J. J. Jameson
09-19-2007, 08:31 PM
I don't care for Ultimate Thor.
The movie should follow 616 everything and have the new Thor v3 costume.
November Rain
09-20-2007, 04:01 AM
you don't think the whole is he/isn't he a god story was.....pretty damn smart to play out in a now sceptical world?
ang_hulk
09-20-2007, 02:27 PM
mix it up a bit.mabey have it shift somehow half way thru..
hippie_hunter
09-20-2007, 02:36 PM
you don't think the whole is he/isn't he a god story was.....pretty damn smart to play out in a now sceptical world?
But isn't the script setting Asgard and pretty much just the realm of the gods? If that's the case, Ultimate Thor is completely unnecessary.
Ender Durden
09-20-2007, 02:46 PM
I thought it was cool tho how in Ultimates, when Loki was deceiving everyone about how Thor escaped with the hammer, which was a scientific device to control the weather, and they showed the inner-workings of the hammer being built in the lab.
i think that would be a nice addition to the plot, i dont see how they could do that with the 616, stone/metal slab hammer
Just give him a goddamn beard and I'm happy
Steve Rogers
09-20-2007, 03:36 PM
Ultimate Thor's hammer looks more like an ax than a hammer. If the movie is Ultimate Thor (which it's not) it would make sense to use that hammer. But why throw in the Ultimate Thor ax instead of the classic Mjolnir we grew up with? That would be the dumbest thing they could do, so yeah I won't put it past them.
Classic 616 Mjolnir > Ultimate ax looking thing.
J. J. Jameson
09-20-2007, 04:13 PM
you don't think the whole is he/isn't he a god story was.....pretty damn smart to play out in a now sceptical world?
I enjoyed that part of the character, yes. The struggle between Ultimate Thor's soul and society around him was fantastic.
I found it completely stupid and disrespectful to the character to have him an out of style hippie who just parties and drinks beer by the keg and has a cult-ish group of followers. 616 Thor doesn't want people following him and at least carries himself like a god would carry himself. Like with Ultimate Cap, Ultimate Thor's character was radically altered, making him look extremely shallow and dumb when compared to his 616 counterpart. (Ult. Cap is a whole other issue...Cap dating a married woman? Seriously...what the heck?)
November Rain
09-21-2007, 02:24 AM
Ultimate Thor's hammer looks more like an ax than a hammer. If the movie is Ultimate Thor (which it's not) it would make sense to use that hammer. But why throw in the Ultimate Thor ax instead of the classic Mjolnir we grew up with? That would be the dumbest thing they could do, so yeah I won't put it past them.
Classic 616 Mjolnir > Ultimate ax looking thing.What we grew up with is not always tangible to realistic translations or cinematic effect...
modifications have been made to pretty much all superhero films in this manner.
ULtimately the truth is that it won't really matter which one they use.
November Rain
09-21-2007, 02:26 AM
But isn't the script setting Asgard and pretty much just the realm of the gods? If that's the case, Ultimate Thor is completely unnecessary.
Well if that's the case, then fair enough...
however i was speaking more in general to jameson.
November Rain
09-21-2007, 02:33 AM
I found it completely stupid and disrespectful to the character to have him an out of style hippie who just parties and drinks beer by the keg and has a cult-ish group of followers. 616 Thor doesn't want people following him and at least carries himself like a god would carry himself. Like with Ultimate Cap, Ultimate Thor's character was radically altered, making him look extremely shallow and dumb when compared to his 616 counterpart. (Ult. Cap is a whole other issue...Cap dating a married woman? Seriously...what the heck?)
The thing is though i felt he was treated like a modern day Norse warrior.
that's what they did. Drank and enjoyed life inbetween battle..
As for people following him, i don't think he openly rallied up anyone but they chose to follow him out of their own accords. I'm sure the same has happened in 616 before...
This ultimate thor doesn't come across more like a god but more like a messiah of Odin who has come to earth to do his father's work, Kinda like JC. ULtimately all his doings aren't about him but about his father and his wishes. The fact he's an eco warrior tackling on the issues of today works.
I've always felt 616 thor was somewhat detached from the normal man while this one perhaps is more integrated.
Personally i like both characters and don't think one is better than the other, they just relate to the other members of the avengers team differently...
While 616 is the religious force/reference of the avengers, ultimate thor is more of a conscience of the team and moral backbone. It works for their respective teams.
Oerwinde
09-21-2007, 06:29 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/New_thor.jpg
This is how Thor should look like in the movie.
I'd give him leather pants and make the chain shirt short sleeve, but give him bracers. Thor needs to show off his guns. Otherwise, thats perfect.
November Rain
09-21-2007, 06:37 AM
as long as it's big enough, i don't mind it in its original format, i just don't want a weedy looking hammer that's all...I want something that looks like it could be wielded with both hands...but spun with one...
Brian Braddock
09-21-2007, 11:49 AM
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/5thavenuecandlesandcollectible_1965_706210
^^^^^^^^^^A perfect example. Now that's the Thor and Mjonir I grew up with.
Definately 616 for me. Hopefully they'll take a leaf out of recent depictions and make it a little bigger, and as suggested previously, add the inscription in Rune.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/12991.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/erhy.jpg
November Rain
09-21-2007, 11:55 AM
i feel the inscription should be on the handle and not actually on the uru itself...
but it should be the same inscription word for word
Brian Braddock
09-21-2007, 11:55 AM
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/Word.gif
gkokujin
09-21-2007, 01:30 PM
Thunder Strike!
Enchanted Hammer!
gkokujin
09-21-2007, 01:31 PM
^^^^^^^^^^A perfect example. Now that's the Thor and Mjonir I grew up with.
Definately 616 for me. Hopefully they'll take a leaf out of recent depictions and make it a little bigger, and as suggested previously, add the inscription in Rune.
thats the only way it will make sense.(even though NONE of it makes sense)
Brian Braddock
09-21-2007, 01:35 PM
Plus, it'd look cool as hell.
Steve Rogers
09-21-2007, 03:58 PM
What we grew up with is not always tangible to realistic translations or cinematic effect...
modifications have been made to pretty much all superhero films in this manner.
ULtimately the truth is that it won't really matter which one they use.
I don't want to be rude but, 1.) Yes I know this, and 2.) I don't see how changing the shape of a hammer makes the story of Thor better for the the screen.
Artistsean
09-21-2007, 04:49 PM
A perfect example. Now that's the Thor and Mjonir I grew up with.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/12991.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/erhy.jpg
This is the hammer they should use. and my reasoning for that is, as it usually is when dealing with comic book movie matters, is that this is what came first and is the most used version.
This is what Stan Lee and Jack Kirby intended the hammer to look like, and this is what the hammer has looked like for years. They shouldn't use a different version of the hammer (or the character) just because it looks different in the comics now or because the Ultimate version is popular.
Savage
09-21-2007, 05:08 PM
They usually go with what's popular and works though. That's why Iron Man is not wearing a liquid metal suit in the movie. We the route they're going I just think they're going to use the 616 version because it fits that setting better.
November Rain
09-24-2007, 02:33 AM
I don't want to be rude but, 1.) Yes I know this, and 2.) I don't see how changing the shape of a hammer makes the story of Thor better for the the screen.
It won't change the story but it could help sell the fact this is indeed a very dangerous weapon and it could also enhance battle scenes by giving him a handle allowing him for potential two handed grips which would give the impression of a more powerful swing...
or even something like an odin blast..
also it would provide a better representation of the weight/enchanted weight of it.
Ahura Mazda
09-24-2007, 09:19 AM
I think the handle really needs to be kept small. The whole idea behind it was Loki tricked Thor and made sure the handle was too short for him to wield it with both hands. It was is one of the fundamental steps that lead to the Thor / Loki enmity.
Steve Rogers
09-24-2007, 10:09 AM
It won't change the story but it could help sell the fact this is indeed a very dangerous weapon and it could also enhance battle scenes by giving him a handle allowing him for potential two handed grips which would give the impression of a more powerful swing...
or even something like an odin blast..
also it would provide a better representation of the weight/enchanted weight of it.
Wait. I missed something. I'm not talking about the size of the handle. What I don't like is the whole ax side to it. I agree, a handle one would have to grab with two hands is much better visually; that I don't mind. I just don't want people to confuse Thor with Jason Voorhees or some other ax wielding psycho. I guess I really don't care as long as he spins it around by the little wrist strap. I wanna see that on screen.
November Rain
09-24-2007, 10:18 AM
I was only talking generally. Except for a larger size, i really have no specific preference to type of weapon that is used, as long as it looks heavy and powerful.
I'm also in favour of the 616 version of Mjolnir. I think it would also be cool if Weta designed the hammer.
Never was a fan of the Ultimate Axe-Hammer either. :down:
EternalMaster
09-27-2007, 01:15 PM
How about something that's a mix of Thor's regular 616 hammer and the hammer he used in Heroes Reborn?
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/ONSLAUGHT002_cov.jpg
The hammer's head is a bit bigger in the Heroes Reborn version, which is what many people seem to want. It also has a longer handle, even though I think it's a bit TOO long.
Savage
09-27-2007, 06:10 PM
Eh. It looks so plain in comparison. The only thing I'd take from it is the longer handle so he can swing it with both arms and really bring the pain.
Also when he slams it down to make an earthquake or lightning blast or teleport people he should slam the hammer itself...Lord knows why he always slams the hilt. :huh:
Hypestyle
09-28-2007, 02:39 PM
Mjolnir should be voluminous, a longer handle, and have a short chain..
Brian Braddock
09-28-2007, 02:45 PM
Now there's a word you don't hear everyday - 'voluminous'.
It's a shame because it's an awesome word.
And that Liefield pic just made my little baby son cry.
How about something that's a mix of Thor's regular 616 hammer and the hammer he used in Heroes Reborn?
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/ONSLAUGHT002_cov.jpg
The hammer's head is a bit bigger in the Heroes Reborn version, which is what many people seem to want. It also has a longer handle, even though I think it's a bit TOO long.
Man check out the lights running down his thigh. That looks terrible. :rolleyes:
Plus I'm actually in favour of the shorter handle. That long handle don't look right. Why fix if it ain't broken?
Also wondering if for the sake of Norse mythology that they spell Mjolnir by it's original spelling adding that extra 'l'. Either way I wouldn't complain. Plus it is in the comics that Mjolnir allows Thor to fly. Should Thor fly in the movie?
November Rain
03-13-2009, 07:20 AM
that handle is too long.
the handle should be as large as the ultimate one.
the actual hammer head should be pretty massive as well
almost like keeping the proportions of the smaller one but making it larger
it's gotta look like it could take out a frost giant.
a massive hammerhead.
BigSams50
03-13-2009, 01:40 PM
http://home.cshore.com/bucwheat/mjolnir.jpg
Raiden
03-13-2009, 02:01 PM
I think 616 Mjolnir looks better, because as much as I like the Ultimate Thor look, his hammer looks more like an axe than a hammer, and it should look like it came from ancient times, which 616 does. It needs to look like it's heavy, and whenever Thor swings it against something, you can feel the impact.
Philly Phanboy
03-14-2009, 01:35 PM
I quite like the modern day ultimate hammer purely for its size...
the way he holds it over his head and beats teh **** out of hulk with it wouldn't have made such an impact if it was normal size. Also being that size, it's easier to give the impressive that it's ****ing heavy. I'd rather it was supposed to be heavy along with the enchanment rather than having it look light and purely magic stopping people from lifting it.
Yeah I think the size of the hammer is actually more important than the shape.
I could care less whether it looks like the 616 cinderblock version or Ultimate dual-sided thingie so long as Mjolnir looks like a weapon that only Thor could use.
topdog1
03-14-2009, 09:06 PM
I'll simply vomit if they use that awful ultimate ax hammer.
They MUST use the real hammer...
http://home.cshore.com/bucwheat/mjolnir.jpg
Yep, I hate the axe.
Nivek
03-15-2009, 09:16 AM
I love the look of the 616 hammer, but it resembles a peg mallet more than a traditional warhammer. The Ultimate one, that is an Axe, dammit.
I would like to see them take the 616 Hammer, put a longer handle on it, and shape the head more like a traditional Thor's hammer (like the Viking Symbol).
Raivynn
03-15-2009, 01:41 PM
As much as I do like the Ultimate version. 616 Mjolnir is my choice.
TheCorpulent1
03-15-2009, 01:57 PM
The regular version, obviously. The Ultimate version looks stupid in the comics, so imagine how stupid it'd look in a real-life actor's hands with its comically huge proportions. Save the Ultimate hammer for an anime if Thor ever gets one; they love absurdly huge weapons in animes. ;)
Superhero 101
03-15-2009, 02:03 PM
I like the Ultimate Hammer but i also like the 616 hammer as well and since everyone likes the original stuff i say go with the 616 hammer but ifor the costume i think the Ultimate Costume would look cooler
TheCorpulent1
03-15-2009, 02:10 PM
Regarding the hammer's hilt: it should be long enough to fit about 3 of Thor's hands on it, so he could hold it with both hands if he wanted and have a little extra room to swing it with more power than just one hand, but it should still be relatively short by real two-handed warhammer standards. Also, it'd look cooler if there were a ring at the end of it for the leather thong to connect to, rather than the leather thong just sort of sprouting out of the end of the hilt like in the comics.
marcvader
03-15-2009, 03:07 PM
The regular version, obviously. The Ultimate version looks stupid in the comics, so imagine how stupid it'd look in a real-life actor's hands with its comically huge proportions. Save the Ultimate hammer for an anime if Thor ever gets one; they love absurdly huge weapons in animes. ;) I agree. I don't know how that design got past the editors.
TheCorpulent1
03-15-2009, 03:14 PM
Bryan Hitch, that's how. Dude's a comic art god. They're hardly gonna call him on a silly-looking hammer design when everything else looked so great. Except maybe Ultimate Iron Man's armor, which I understand was going for the practical look but didn't really do it for me.
marcvader
03-15-2009, 03:23 PM
Let's not even speak of that insectobot.
Colossal Spoons
03-15-2009, 05:02 PM
As long as it has reasonably long handle, I'll be fine. I hate when Mjolnir's handle it all puny.
WarBlade
03-15-2009, 07:01 PM
It's supposed to be a short handle. An iconic aspect of Mjolnir is that the forging was messed up (thanks to Loki's trickery) resulting in the short handle. :oldrazz:
TheCorpulent1
03-15-2009, 07:56 PM
Yeah, but some artists take it a bit too far. The handle should never be so short that Thor can barely fit one hand on it, yet some artists--Scot Eaton, off the top of my head--draw it exactly like that.
Colossal Spoons
03-15-2009, 08:33 PM
Yeah, but some artists take it a bit too far. The handle should never be so short that Thor can barely fit one hand on it, yet some artists--Scot Eaton, off the top of my head--draw it exactly like that.
Seriously, sometimes he's using his finger tips
nogap87
03-17-2009, 01:50 AM
616 Mjolnir all the way. With all the crap Thor does with it, a hammer/axe hybrid would just get in the way.
November Rain
03-17-2009, 05:34 AM
It's supposed to be a short handle. An iconic aspect of Mjolnir is that the forging was messed up (thanks to Loki's trickery) resulting in the short handle. :oldrazz:
i don't think anyone really cares about this aspect, it's not like it plays a significant part of either of their developments...
i think this size would be ideal for film, making a thicking hooking handle
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-CWxsJwZq0E/Ra458KVcqRI/AAAAAAAAADo/pnSt_WOW1uY/s320/VikingGuy_sml.jpg
Colossal Spoons
03-17-2009, 05:51 AM
^See, I like the single handed wielding. That thing is def badass though.
November Rain
03-17-2009, 05:57 AM
slightly smaller handle then
I want him to be able to wield it with both one OR two hands. the variety is better for the character.
it should definitely look that big to the other smaller characters
it shouldn't be limited to just a fist sized handle.
it's got to look like the ultimate weapon
Ahura Mazda
03-17-2009, 06:52 AM
I do not agree in so far that Loki tricked Thor by making sure the handle is only big enough for one of his hands. The Ultimate version gets rid of all the mythology which i really dislike.
TheCorpulent1
03-17-2009, 07:57 AM
The length of the handle in the Ages of Thunder one-shot was pretty much perfect for me:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/thecorpulent1/Thor/473320-immagi_super.jpg
The head of the hammer would have to be a bit bigger for the movie, though.
spider-neil
03-17-2009, 08:04 AM
the handle of thor's hammer is short for a reason.
in norse myth, when loki cut sif's hair he had to replace it so gets the dwarfs to fashion golden hair, they accomplish this task. on the way home loki runs into the dwarfs cousins who bet loki they can better the first set of gifts (golden hair/gold ring that multiplies itself/spear that returns to owners hand) loki agrees, the forefit however was if they succeeded they would get to cut off loki's head.
so the dwarfs set to work, they make a golden boar that comes alive, a ship that you can fit in your pocket when not using and lastly a magical war hammer. by now loki is worried so attempts to sabotage the dwarf's work so shrinks to the size of a fly and bites one of the dwarfs in the eye, blind with pain the dwarf closes the furnace which doesn't cause any harm to the hammer expect leaving it with a short handle.
this is why thor's hammer has a short handle.
TheCorpulent1
03-17-2009, 08:10 AM
Yeah, but "short handle" just means it's not a full-sized, two-handed warhammer. It doesn't necessarily mean the hammer has to be super-short.
Agent 194
03-17-2009, 08:51 AM
I'd love to see the big ole' crude looking hammer that Kirby drew. That's the one for me. So I say the original, or what people call 616. Showing my age here, but someone tell me the derivation of that designation please. 616?
TheCorpulent1
03-17-2009, 08:54 AM
It was the main Marvel Earth's designation in Alan Moore's Captain Britain comics. I think. There are a bunch of weird stories about it.
Brian Braddock
03-17-2009, 08:55 AM
It started in Captain Britain. Alan Moore described a multiverse were there are a mariad of alternate realites (or Earths). Our earth was coined Earth 616.
It's similiar to DC and there Earth 1, earth 2 etc................
Brian Braddock
03-17-2009, 08:56 AM
Beat me to it, eh Corp?
Colossal Spoons
03-17-2009, 10:27 AM
Ronan's new hammer is pretty close to how I'd like Thor's to look. I'll post a pic later.
Savage
03-17-2009, 02:20 PM
The length of the handle in the Ages of Thunder one-shot was pretty much perfect for me:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/thecorpulent1/Thor/473320-immagi_super.jpg
The head of the hammer would have to be a bit bigger for the movie, though.
That's good but I think a handle the size of a two handed broadsword works just fine. Something barely big enough for two hands.
A nice cinder block sized hammer head would be nice too. Something you can really feel the power from when it strikes a surface.
Savage
03-17-2009, 02:22 PM
Ronan's new hammer is pretty close to how I'd like Thor's to look. I'll post a pic later.
This one? Cause yeah, that's the perfect size. :up:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/5/51/Ronan03.jpg
TheCorpulent1
03-17-2009, 02:22 PM
The proportions on that hammer are good, but Mjolnir needs to be symmetrical. I don't want a chunk missing from one end of it like that.
That's good but I think a handle the size of a two handed broadsword works just fine. Something barely big enough for two hands.
A nice cinder block sized hammer head would be nice too. Something you can really feel the power from when it strikes a surface.
A broadsword handle would be too short for my liking. Broadswords and hammers are weighted differently, which means the mechanics of how they're swung is different. Such a short handle, even if Thor could fit both hands on it, would make for a totally ineffective swing. Thor would look sort of silly swinging it two-handed at someone.
November Rain
03-17-2009, 03:51 PM
it's got to be at least the length of a baseball bat
TheCorpulent1
03-17-2009, 03:55 PM
From the head of the hammer to the tip of the leather thong, maybe. Just the hilt itself should not be that long.
Colossal Spoons
03-17-2009, 05:42 PM
This one? Cause yeah, that's the perfect size. :up:
That's the one :up:
The proportions on that hammer are good, but Mjolnir needs to be symmetrical. I don't want a chunk missing from one end of it like that.
Yeah, def gotta fill in that chunk lol
Agent 194
03-17-2009, 05:43 PM
It started in Captain Britain. Alan Moore described a multiverse were there are a mariad of alternate realites (or Earths). Our earth was coined Earth 616.
It's similiar to DC and there Earth 1, earth 2 etc................
Hmm. Then what Earth does the Ultimates version takes place? Or what exactly does that all mean? (Can you tell which era I'm concerned with and that I haven't bought a new book in 20 yrs?)
TheCorpulent1
03-17-2009, 09:09 PM
It doesn't really mean anything, it's just a convenient way for comic geeks to refer to the main Marvel universe instead of always saying "the main Marvel universe." The Ultimate universe does have a designation (Earth-1610, according to Marvel.com), but people generally just refer to that as "the Ultimate universe."
Voorhees
03-30-2009, 10:35 PM
They should most certainly use the classic version because it's the best design of Mjolnir EVER. However, they should make it appear much bigger and not look like the size of your average hammer. It needs to look heavy, especially since it actually is.
Faded To Deaf
03-30-2009, 10:39 PM
I'd like to see the 616, more detailed and buffed up, movie magic style.
Jerkofwonder
03-31-2009, 11:05 AM
I'm hoping that for most of the movie he still can't lift the hammer, if this is supposed to be something of an origin story. Did anyone ever read those comics about Thor in training? He was a teenager in them and he couldn't lift the hammer until he went to hell to get Sif back from Hela. I forget what the series was called.
Brian Braddock
03-31-2009, 11:28 AM
Possibly Son of Asgard.
I think that would largely make for one potentially boring plot point, personally. Many of us have been waiting years to see Thor wallop some frost-giants with Mjolnir on the big screen; I wouldnt like to see that wait extended even further because of an aspect of the story that has intentionally been put in.
An aspect which could just as easily be omitted.
November Rain
03-31-2009, 12:11 PM
i think him getting it in the first place could play a small part in the film
The film should end with him being punished on earth for not doing something and his mission was the retrieve it back.
unfortunately though, it was moved from its original position by loki and somehow finds himself in some assylum.
bring in tony stark cameo at the end with a very big briefcase
Jerkofwonder
03-31-2009, 12:51 PM
Possibly Son of Asgard.
I think that would largely make for one potentially boring plot point, personally. Many of us have been waiting years to see Thor wallop some frost-giants with Mjolnir on the big screen; I wouldnt like to see that wait extended even further because of an aspect of the story that has intentionally been put in.
An aspect which could just as easily be omitted.
But look at what made Iron Man and Incredible Hulk so good. They held off on the really cool stuff so that when you saw it, it was amazing. If you had seen Stark in armor kicking ass, or Banner Hulked out and taking names the whole movie they would largely lose there affect. It just works much better. They did that with the Hulk in Hulk and you saw how that turned out. Save it for a sequel, or Avengers.
I'm not at all saying don't have it. But maybe have him use other weapons most of the film, and in the last 30 minutes in a final battle with Trolls frost giants and all Loki's other agents with the hammer in hand. The affect would be 10x better.
Canis Sapiens
03-31-2009, 01:04 PM
I would prefer to see Thor kicking some frost-giant asses in the second act. Antecipation building is fine, but they shouldn't extend it too much.
Brian Braddock
03-31-2009, 01:14 PM
But look at what made Iron Man and Incredible Hulk so good. They held off on the really cool stuff so that when you saw it, it was amazing. If you had seen Stark in armor kicking ass, or Banner Hulked out and taking names the whole movie they would largely lose there affect. It just works much better. They did that with the Hulk in Hulk and you saw how that turned out. Save it for a sequel, or Avengers.
I'm not at all saying don't have it. But maybe have him use other weapons most of the film, and in the last 30 minutes in a final battle with Trolls frost giants and all Loki's other agents with the hammer in hand. The affect would be 10x better.
I get what you're saying. Hell, I'll even admit that it makes sense - I'm just saying that it'll kill me.
I'll be literally squirming in my cinema seat waiting impatiently for Thor to finally be able to unleash Mjolnir and go medeival on some frost giant asses.
Brian Braddock
03-31-2009, 01:15 PM
I would prefer to see Thor kicking some frost-giant asses in the second act. Antecipation building is fine, but they shouldn't extend it too much.
Yeah, I could live with that.
TheCorpulent1
03-31-2009, 01:48 PM
Personally, the best way to start any big fantasy epic is with a prelude battle. Start the film off with frost giants getting their asses kicked--not necessarily by Thor--and you'd have filled your action quotient enough to build the story up through acts one and two before giving Thor some stuff to beat in act three.
i think him getting it in the first place could play a small part in the film
The film should end with him being punished on earth for not doing something and his mission was the retrieve it back.
unfortunately though, it was moved from its original position by loki and somehow finds himself in some assylum.
bring in tony stark cameo at the end with a very big briefcase
A briefcase containing what? A lot of money to secure Thor's release from the asylum? Certainly, Tony wouldn't be carrying Mjolnir around in a briefcase, since he can't lift it... :huh:
Jerkofwonder
03-31-2009, 07:48 PM
Personally, the best way to start any big fantasy epic is with a prelude battle. Start the film off with frost giants getting their asses kicked--not necessarily by Thor--and you'd have filled your action quotient enough to build the story up through acts one and two before giving Thor some stuff to beat in act three.
A briefcase containing what? A lot of money to secure Thor's release from the asylum? Certainly, Tony wouldn't be carrying Mjolnir around in a briefcase, since he can't lift it... :huh:
Maybe he'll have Steve Rogers holding the brief case. :woot:
November Rain
04-01-2009, 03:36 AM
just because someone can't weild it doesn't mean one couldn't get it transported.
TheCorpulent1
04-01-2009, 09:48 AM
I suppose if he had a robot hanging around, he could have that carry it. But based on his movie, Tony's robots don't seem to be very good at anything.
November Rain
04-01-2009, 11:45 AM
well the iron man outfit shell on its own could suffice
Jerkofwonder
04-01-2009, 12:02 PM
It doesn't work that way. Remember it was considered amazing when Awesome Android was able to lift the hammer? I don't think any robot could just pick it up. It has nothing to do with weight.
TheCorpulent1
04-01-2009, 01:20 PM
Nah, any robot could pick it up. It's been established that robots can lift it. They don't get the powers of Thor, since they're effectively bypassing the enchantment altogether, so it's just a chunk of metal to them.
luca_frontino
04-03-2009, 10:56 AM
I don't see the 616 as cool as Ultimate Mjolnir.
GreenKToo
04-06-2009, 01:17 PM
I'm no artist by any means but I did a quick sketch of what i'd like Mjolnir to be close to in looks. I'd like to see it have at least a 2 foot long handle, with a massive hammer head at the top, with a ring at the bottom for a strap to connect to.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5285/mine7.jpg (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mine7.jpg)
Gamma Goliath
04-11-2009, 12:20 AM
if the movie is set in the 'olden days' then thor's hammer and outfit should fit the timeframe. but in avengers his 'imagination' has expanded and decides it time to revamp his look, suit and hammer. c'mon he has magic powers im sure he can change his general appearance(not like shapeshifting, but adapting to a new scociety.)
TheCorpulent1
04-11-2009, 09:35 AM
I wouldn't mind a costume change between the Asgard stuff and the modern-day Earth stuff. But Mjolnir should stay the same. He's magic, but Mjolnir's not his magic, it's his daddy's. He's never been able to change it or anything.
Vartha
04-11-2009, 05:25 PM
I'd love to see the classic Mjolnir with some Viking Decor tho. It'd make it alittle more realistic as it's made by Dwarves. Dwarves rarely ever made anything as plain as the 616 Mjolnir.
That person
06-05-2009, 11:31 PM
My ideal hammer would have a head based on the Ultimate, but two hammer parts instead of the axe part. The handle should be about two hand lengths, with the inscription in runes on it and a loop for swinging.
Edit: I'm so sorry; I didn't realize how old this thread was.
Vartha
06-06-2009, 10:37 AM
Doesn't matter how old the thread is That person, it doesn't change your idea of what you'd want to see.
protocida
06-06-2009, 01:58 PM
Classic hammer.
Vartha
06-10-2009, 07:56 AM
I'd like to see Mjolnir looking something like THIS.
I drew this DURING a Thunderstorm last night.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c331/Vartha1/Thor/Thor%20Movie%20stuff/Mjolnir.jpg
Brian Braddock
06-10-2009, 07:58 AM
Nice design.
Vartha
06-10-2009, 08:06 AM
Thanks I didn't think to bring my Viking books. or I'd have alittle more accurate Norse decor.
TheCorpulent1
06-10-2009, 08:48 AM
That looks awesome. :up:
Vartha
06-10-2009, 09:00 AM
Thanks Corp! :D
spider-neil
06-10-2009, 09:00 AM
awesome pic, the head is perfecr but I still perfer the marvel 616 handle and leather strap and thong
TheCorpulent1
06-10-2009, 09:12 AM
I think we're inevitably going to see the 616 hammer prettied up in some ways. I mean, even Spider-Man's costume, which is arguably the most faithful to the comic version, had some texturizing and stuff added to it. Just as long as it errs more toward the 616 hammer rather than the anime-sized Ultimate axe/hammer thing, I'll be fine with it.
spider-neil
06-10-2009, 10:46 AM
I think we're inevitably going to see the 616 hammer prettied up in some ways. I mean, even Spider-Man's costume, which is arguably the most faithful to the comic version, had some texturizing and stuff added to it. Just as long as it errs more toward the 616 hammer rather than the anime-sized Ultimate axe/hammer thing, I'll be fine with it.
I guess. one thing I'm undecided about is whether the hammer should look like metal or stone.
TheCorpulent1
06-10-2009, 11:15 AM
I'd go with metal. Not particularly shiny metal or anything.
Canis Sapiens
06-10-2009, 12:39 PM
I'd like to see Mjolnir looking something like THIS.
I drew this DURING a Thunderstorm last night.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c331/Vartha1/Thor/Thor%20Movie%20stuff/Mjolnir.jpg
Wow! Perfect! :wow:
highguard
06-10-2009, 01:18 PM
I'll simply vomit if they use that awful ultimate ax hammer.
They MUST use the real hammer...
http://home.cshore.com/bucwheat/mjolnir.jpg
^^
You know Vartha that is a good design but there is an even better design and that is the original Jack Kirby design which is genius.
Here is why, think about why Marvel Thor worked, when you first saw Kirby's version in the comic book. Kirby was a master and I am sure he went through various designs when coming up with the design for mjolnir.
There is something visceral and magnificent and elegant about the angular stone hammer given to us by Kirby. It is nice that so many people think they can improve on his design but maybe they are missing why it works so well.
If we could talk to Jack he might say something like this. Visually the basic lines of the hammer projects perfection in design and the straight lines are visually very impressive in directing the eye and getting the correct perspective on a comic book page. The simplicity of the design actually works in understanding that this is a weapon, almost a blunt war-hammer designed primarily to deliver maximum force on impact.
The design is very akin to a finely balanced, perfectly molded sword. It's beauty is in the perfection of the lines and the balance and the edges.
To that effect I think that Jack Kirby was a master creator and that it is difficult to improve on his concept. The most I would do is add the rune words which should appear and disappear, saying, "whosoever holds this hammer........."
Long live the 616 version
protocida
06-10-2009, 01:53 PM
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c331/Vartha1/Thor/Thor%20Movie%20stuff/Mjolnir.jpg
This!
spider-neil
06-10-2009, 03:00 PM
http://home.cshore.com/bucwheat/mjolnir.jpg
this hammer is perfect except
a) change the inscription on the side to ancient norse runes
b) make the handle of the hammer metal under the leather.
the hammer and handle were forged as a single object with the leather strapping and thong coming later.
c) make the head larger
Agent 194
06-10-2009, 03:34 PM
Been reading a book lately called "Tales to Astonish" by a guy named Ronin Ro about the early days of Jack and Stan. All the battles, glories...the good and the bad. I think it's great (despite what some of the reviews on Amazon say) and it makes me very nostalgiac. I hope more of Jack Kirby's hammer is shown.
Spike_x1
06-11-2009, 02:19 PM
I'd like to see Mjolnir looking something like THIS.
I drew this DURING a Thunderstorm last night.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c331/Vartha1/Thor/Thor%20Movie%20stuff/Mjolnir.jpgBingo. :up:
Vartha
06-12-2009, 10:46 AM
Glad Everyone likes it.
You need something that's more realistic than something that looks like it's straight from some Anime Cartoon like the Ulty Mjolnir.
A modified 616 Mjolnir would work WAY better IMO.
Vartha
06-15-2009, 08:05 AM
Here's another Mjolnir I drew. THIS one I used actual Thor Hammer references from pendents.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c331/Vartha1/Thor/Photo0001-4.jpg
TheCorpulent1
06-15-2009, 10:29 AM
The extra detail makes it look even better. :up:
Brian Braddock
06-15-2009, 11:35 AM
It so does;
The comicbook traditionalist in me is really struggling with this one - but is it wrong that after looking at Vartha's Mjolnir, I look at regular Mjolnir and it kinda looks bland as hell?
http://home.cshore.com/bucwheat/mjolnir.jpg
Is it best when it looks metal like this one; or when it looks more like its made of stone? I tend to think stone would look more badass.
TheCorpulent1
06-15-2009, 11:50 AM
It so does;
The comicbook traditionalist in me is really struggling with this one - but is it wrong that after looking at Vartha's Mjolnir, I look at regular Mjolnir and it kinda looks bland as hell?
I still like the comic version. I imagine it'd suck for an artist to have to draw Vartha's version in every panel. But the whole point of prettying things up for movies is that there aren't any constraints like that on film, so the designs can be made more complex.
Vartha
06-15-2009, 04:16 PM
It so does;
The comicbook traditionalist in me is really struggling with this one - but is it wrong that after looking at Vartha's Mjolnir, I look at regular Mjolnir and it kinda looks bland as hell?
I just figure, the Dwarves were rather ornate when it came to what they made in both myth and comic. Mjolnir was way too simple in 616 compared to MANY of the Viking pendents I've seen, but as I've said Kirby probably drew Mjolnir that way so it wouldn't take so long to draw the books.
I should Post the Two images that inspired the last one.
Vartha
06-15-2009, 04:24 PM
Is it best when it looks metal like this one; or when it looks more like its made of stone? I tend to think stone would look more badass.
Problem with that is both 616 AND most of the myth say Mjolnir was FORGED by Dwarves. That means Mjolnir is made of Metal.
TheCorpulent1
06-15-2009, 04:30 PM
Doesn't mean the metal has to look particularly metallic, though. The dwarves were good enough craftsmen that they could probably make metal look like stone if they thought a stone hammer would look better.
Spider-Fan83
06-15-2009, 04:48 PM
something kinda like...
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6083/12991iyz.jpg (http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/12991.jpg?zm=1200,1200,1,0,0)
where its metal, but, with stone type pattern
TheCorpulent1
06-15-2009, 04:52 PM
That'd be cool. It'd be nice if it's a little worn like that, too. Thor smashes everything from giant faces to solid rock with this thing day in and day out, after all.
Vartha
06-15-2009, 05:02 PM
THIS was My biggest influence, for the new drawing.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c331/Vartha1/Thor/Photo0001-4.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c331/Vartha1/Thor/Mjolnir02.jpg
This is the pendent I OWN that I use on my Viking Costume at Renaissance Faires.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c331/Vartha1/Thor/Thorshammersml.jpg
Another two for reference of the Thong or Strap on Mjolnir,
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c331/Vartha1/Thor/Mjolnir01.jpg
Vartha
06-15-2009, 05:10 PM
Doesn't mean the metal has to look particularly metallic, though. The dwarves were good enough craftsmen that they could probably make metal look like stone if they thought a stone hammer would look better.
Yes but part of the myth and comic was Mjolnir was made as gifts to impress Odin and the Aseir, therefore Mjolnir SHOULD be more ornate.
Don't get me wrong, a battle Scarred Mjolnir would be great, I just think the one that looks like stone set the look further back in history.
Problem with that is both 616 AND most of the myth say Mjolnir was FORGED by Dwarves. That means Mjolnir is made of Metal.
I'm only asking which would look better on film. We're talking about Marvel's version of Thor here. Adherence to the lore isn't exactly a priority for them, and never really has been.
Judson Caspian
06-16-2009, 01:18 PM
Mjolnir from The Incredible Hulk Returns looked awesome. I wouldn't mind at all if they used that one.
Vartha
06-16-2009, 07:04 PM
double post
Vartha
06-16-2009, 07:14 PM
I'm only asking which would look better on film. We're talking about Marvel's version of Thor here. Adherence to the lore isn't exactly a priority for them, and never really has been.
I'm talking about Marvel's Thor too.
Stan Lee created an metal called "URU". The properties of the metal allowed ANY warrior to call back his/her weapon to their hand. Mjolnir is made of Uru and Sif and a set of Arrows made from Uru and she called her arrows back.
I'm just saying the use of stone makes it look like it's from Conan's era.
Here's a pic of Thor and Mjolnir from the Legendary Journeys of Hercules, THAT Mjolnir looks like stone to me been awhile since I've seen that episode.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c331/Vartha1/Thor/Mjolnir/norse_5_mq_021sd.jpg
Spider-ManHero12
06-16-2009, 08:48 PM
something kinda like...
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6083/12991iyz.jpg (http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/12991.jpg?zm=1200,1200,1,0,0)
where its metal, but, with stone type pattern That would be awesome! :up:
terry78
10-19-2009, 06:25 PM
Yes, this thing deserves its own thread because it is one of the most famous fictional weapons ever conceived. What do you want to see it do, how should it look, what material should be used, and so forth. Spill it.
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1193/mjolnirsinscription.jpg
Vartha
10-19-2009, 06:41 PM
Yeah we've pretty much started a thread Terry. I even posted a couple Mjolnir designs of my own
Captain Marvel
10-19-2009, 06:59 PM
as long as it's big enough, i don't mind it in its original format, i just don't want a weedy looking hammer that's all...I want something that looks like it could be wielded with both hands...but spun with one...
That'd contradict the established history for the weapon, though. Not just in mythology, but in the comics as well. Here're the stories in question.
From the mythology:
The most popular version of the creation of Mjöllnir myth, found in Skáldskaparmál (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Sk%C3%A1ldskaparm%C3%A1l) from Snorri's (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Snorri) Edda,[3] (http://forums.superherohype.com/#cite_note-2) is as follows. In one story Loki sends up to the dwarves called the Sons of Ivaldi (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Sons_of_Ivaldi) that create precious items for the gods: Odin's spear Gungnir (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Gungnir), and Freyr (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Freyr)'s foldable boat Skíđblađnir (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Sk%C3%AD%C3%B0bla%C3%B0nir). Then Loki bets his head that Sindri (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Sindri_(mythology)) (or Eitri (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Eitri)) and his brother Brokkr (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Brokkr) would never succeed in making items more beautiful than those of Ivaldi's sons. The bet is accepted and the two brothers begin working. Thus Eitri puts a pig's skin in the forge and tells his brother (Brokkr) never to stop blowing until he comes and takes out what he put in.
Loki, in disguise as a fly, comes and bites Brokkr on the arm but he continues to blow. Then Eitri takes out Gullinbursti (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Gullinbursti) which is Freyr's (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Freyr) boar with shining bristles. Then Eitri puts some gold in the furnace and gives Brokkr the same order. Loki in the fly guise comes again and bites Brokkr's neck twice as hard. But as before nothing happens and Eitri takes out Draupnir (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Draupnir), Odin's ring, having duplicates falling from itself every ninth night (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Numbers_in_Norse_mythology).
Eitri then puts iron in the forge and tells Brokkr to never stop blowing. Loki comes again and bites Brokkr on the eyelid much harder than before and the blood makes him stop blowing for a short while. When Eitri comes and takes out Mjöllnir, the handle is a bit short (making it one handed). Yet Eitri and Brokkr win the bet which was Loki's head, but the bet cannot be honoured since they need to cut the neck as well, which was not part of the deal. So Brokkr sews Loki's mouth to teach him a lesson.
From the comics:
The hammer's origin is revealed in a Thor Annual. Thor's adopted (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Adopted) brother Loki (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Loki_(comics)) cuts off the hair of the goddess Sif (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Sif_(comics)) as part of a cruel jest, and when threatened with violence by Thor, promises to fetch replacement hair from the dwarf smiths. Loki commissions the hair from the Sons of Ivaldi and the obliging dwarves also make a magic ship (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Ship) and spear (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Spear) as gifts for the gods. Loki is convinced that no one can match their workmanship, and challenges a dwarf named Eitri (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Eitri) to make finer treasures. Eitri creates a golden ring and golden boar (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Boar) with magical (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Magic_(paranormal)) properties, and finally begins work on a hammer. Loki panics at the sight of the treasures, and afraid he will lose the wager, transforms himself into a mayfly (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Mayfly) and stings Eitri's assistant on the brow as he is working the bellows (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Bellows) for the forge (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Forge). The assistant stops for a moment to wipe away the blood, and the bellows fall flat - the end result being that the hammer is shorter in the handle than Eitri originally intended.
Making it two-handed defeats the point, because it's not a two-handed weapon. That's not an accident on the part of artists back in the day. That was an important detail that they captured, and is a defining characteristic of Mjolnir. It's supposed to have a handle that's so short that it can't be wielded two-handed. All-in-all, I'd prefer a Mjolnir which is true to both the mythology and the comics, instead of one which contradicts both sources. So no long handles.
And yep, I vote for 616 version, not Ultimates version. I don't want to see hide nor hair of anything related to Ultimates Thor. The real Thor is what should be portrayed in the movies, and not that horrible Ultimates version. The last thing we need is to enshrine an alternate reality version of Thor into the minds of the general populace and have them think it's the real thing, when it's not. That includes everything from his awful costume to his "hammer", which looks nothing like Mjolnir should look like.
Vartha
10-19-2009, 07:13 PM
Yeah somewhere in the thread we've been over the myth and Comic history of Mjolnir CM.
By the way Welcome aboard! glad to have another Thor fan that knows their stuff!
Webhead2006
10-19-2009, 10:32 PM
yea i dont see why they wouldnt go with 616 thor hammer. I would have a wooden handle with a sweet pattern on it with maybe a strap on the end of it. Then a stone looking hammer part(made of rubber just to be lighter for actor to hold and use. )
Aeltri
10-20-2009, 03:54 AM
I'd go with a slightly more ornate design but retain the basic shape. Some things need to be made more realistic for a live-action film and the plain comic book version looks too cartoonish IMHO. Especially considering who crafted it! A nice touch would be to have the inscription appear in norse runes that literally (or figuratively) become whatever language the wielder understands.
pifpaf
10-20-2009, 02:15 PM
Bingo. :up:
this is a good hammer for a thor movie well done
Vartha
10-20-2009, 03:11 PM
Thanks pifpaf, but THIS is What I just found on Marvel's Thor Movie Hub. Not exactly sure it's THE Movie Mjolnir or not.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c331/Vartha1/Thor/Thormarvelmoviepgheader.jpg
TheCorpulent1
10-20-2009, 03:53 PM
It just looks like promotional art to me.
Vartha
10-20-2009, 04:01 PM
well ya never know Corp.
alexdunn
10-20-2009, 06:54 PM
I bet it'll be 616 for Thor and Ultimate for Avengers. S.H.E.I.L.D will give him a new costume.
Denny67
10-20-2009, 07:07 PM
This one? Cause yeah, that's the perfect size. :up:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/5/51/Ronan03.jpg
Maybe a hybrid between this and this.
http://www.bucwheat.com/mjolnir.jpg
In the second I would change the writing to (glowing at times) Nordic runes and obviously they would use better materials (like no aluminum head) and throw effects in to make it movie worthy but the overall shape and size is there. Maybe elongate the handle (like in the first pic) a bit for leverage.
Captain Marvel
10-20-2009, 07:23 PM
I bet it'll be 616 for Thor and Ultimate for Avengers. S.H.E.I.L.D will give him a new costume.
I sure hope not. Ultimates Thor looks terrible. I don't see any reason why he can't keep his normal look in the Avengers movie.
Vartha
10-20-2009, 07:56 PM
Maybe a hybrid between this and this.
http://www.bucwheat.com/mjolnir.jpg
In the second I would change the writing to (glowing at times) Nordic runes and obviously they would use better materials (like no aluminum head) and throw effects in to make it movie worthy but the overall shape and size is there. Maybe elongate the handle (like in the first pic) a bit for leverage.
That's what I was attempting with my designs, it's hard to show actual SIZE of the hammer, but MY designs are twice the size of the 616 mjolnir
daderade
10-20-2009, 08:41 PM
the way they did it in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2....looks amazing! (dont have a pic...im at work)
Denny67
10-21-2009, 03:57 PM
the way they did it in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2....looks amazing! (dont have a pic...im at work)
Like this?
http://denrick.eqwolf.com/hammer_bio.jpg
http://denrick.eqwolf.com/marv_ult2_thor.jpg
TheCorpulent1
10-21-2009, 04:11 PM
Yeah, they did a good job with it in MUA2. I hope they do similar effects in the movie, too, where Mjolnir glows when it's doing stuff. That was a nice touch in the game.
Vartha
10-21-2009, 06:47 PM
I gotta rent MUA 2, sounds way too cool. Tho I was happy with MUA cuz most of it was on ASGARD.
TheCorpulent1
10-21-2009, 06:52 PM
Asgard's entirely out of MUA2, although there are some mentions of Odin. Thor is awesome in MUA2, though.
Vartha
10-21-2009, 07:15 PM
Yeah lovin the MUA 2 costume almost as much as the Coipel costume
TheCorpulent1
10-22-2009, 09:18 AM
I didn't like it that much. But luckily the Coipel costume is his alternate. :awesome:
Vartha
10-22-2009, 12:24 PM
Can't wait to use it.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c331/Vartha1/Thor/UtimatealiancealternateThor01.jpg
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