Hooded character speculation *spoilers* [Archive] - Page 2

NateGray

11-15-2007, 11:45 AM

But if that is the case though, why would Kaito say that "Out of all of you, you are the last one I would suspect."? If he locked Adam up and knew he escaped, wouldn't he sort of expect him to take revenge?

Damn this is an excellent point Matt.
If it is indeed Adam Kaito's reactions should have been different.

neemer5

11-15-2007, 11:53 AM

Sorry if my chronology is a bit messed up, but was Adam free when the murder occurred?

Sugarculted

11-15-2007, 12:27 PM

Damn this is an excellent point Matt.
If it is indeed Adam Kaito's reactions should have been different.

Quite the same thing I mentioned on the previous page, too.
It just seems a lil' odd that if Adam had been talking crazy talk about holocausts, etc...why would Kaito be that shocked?

'Out of all of you, you are the last one I would suspect!...
...even though you've been rambling on about killing everyone for so long'.

NateGray

11-15-2007, 12:46 PM

Quite the same thing I mentioned on the previous page, too.
It just seems a lil' odd that if Adam had been talking crazy talk about holocausts, etc...why would Kaito be that shocked?

'Out of all of you, you are the last one I would suspect!...
...even though you've been rambling on about killing everyone for so long'.

Yeh all I can think of is perhaps Kaito did not know Adam had escaped which also seems screwy.

Yes Adam was freed prior to Kaito's death.

Mysterio

11-15-2007, 12:51 PM

But if that is the case though, why would Kaito say that "Out of all of you, you are the last one I would suspect."? If he locked Adam up and knew he escaped, wouldn't he sort of expect him to take revenge?because he didn't lock him up. The Company and The Numerati are not one in the same. remember, Nakamura didn't know who was targeting the group, he just knew that he was marked for death. obviously it was somehow a prearranged sign.

Eddie Brock

11-15-2007, 01:51 PM

Posted by Halcohol in the "Maybe he killed Kaito" thread:

Spoilers from producer/director Greg Beeman's blog regarding Episode 7 - "Out of Time":

And in the final scene - a big surprise - as we reveal who Adam Monroe is at the end of the episode… Okay, so how many of you saw that coming? Of course I’ve known for months and have become pretty blasé about it. Behind the scenes we all freely discuss the actor who plays Adam in both his incarnations. In fact he’s been playing both roles way back since episode 1 when he was naught but a shadowy figure on the Deveaux rooftop.

So there you have it.

Isn't everyone shocked?!

/sarcasm

NateGray

11-15-2007, 02:13 PM

Posted by Halcohol in the "Maybe he killed Kaito" thread:

Isn't everyone shocked?!

/sarcasm

Well to quote from the last couple episodes of avatar the last air bender
sometimes a rock is just a rock.....:wow:

The Apocalypse

11-15-2007, 04:54 PM

Sorry if my chronology is a bit messed up, but was Adam free when the murder occurred?

Yeah he was.

JewishHobbit

11-16-2007, 02:48 PM

I think last week's episode ruins it for me, but I had a theory in my head of who it could have been that I don't think anyone really would have guessed.

Mr. Linderman was Adam's right hand man according to Bob. Adam got out of holding and wanted revenge on those who turned against him, and he learns that Linderman is now dead. He pulls the Nightmare Man in as his last aid and gives him a target. He tells him to find the man responsible for Linderman's death. Nightmare Man goes after DL.. who killed Linderman... and attacks his mind. Using his own nightmares, he takes control of DL and uses him as his hitman against the people who worked against he, Linderman, and Adam. So DL would be the one who killed Hiro's father, and the Nightmare Man could have easily made Micah and Nikki believe him to be dead.

This was mostly my hopes of DL really being alive. Sadly, it doesn't seem to be the case.

Abaddon

11-16-2007, 02:54 PM

that wouldve been a huge stretch

Eddie Brock

11-16-2007, 02:57 PM

See...when you make theories that intricate...you're dooming yourself to fail.

Matt

11-16-2007, 08:02 PM

Yeah. While it is not impossible, as Nightmare Man could make Nikki see D.L. die, it just seems really unlikely.

That-Guy

11-17-2007, 02:43 AM

And on that note, does anyone else think DL's actual death was really lame?

Seriously... whose eggheaded idea was it to have him survive his apparent heroic death last season just so he could die ten minutes later in the exact same way only in a really pointless, idiotic situation?

Plus, I love how he can apparently phase through anything except bullets.

VICTORVONDOOMX

11-17-2007, 01:57 PM

Syncos

11-17-2007, 03:42 PM

Sorry if my chronology is a bit messed up, but was Adam free when the murder occurred?

Yes. The first episode of Season two was four months after the explosion above NYC. Adam and Peter escaped the company three weeks after the explosion.

Eddie Brock

11-17-2007, 03:52 PM

Yes. The first episode of Season two was four months after the explosion above NYC. Adam and Peter escaped the company three weeks after the explosion.
Actually, Peter and Adam escaped three weeks before the start of Season 2. So it was more like 3 months after the explosion.

VICTORVONDOOMX

11-17-2007, 04:17 PM

And actually neither really escaped since Adam IS the company and this was just a ruse to gain Peter's trust.

Eddie Brock

11-17-2007, 04:19 PM

And actually neither really escaped since Adam IS the company and this was just a ruse to gain Peter's trust.
Riiiiiiight. :whatever:

Syncos

11-17-2007, 05:03 PM

Actually, Peter and Adam escaped three weeks before the start of Season 2. So it was more like 3 months after the explosion.

You're right. I meant 3 -months- instead of weeks. Sorry.

VICTORVONDOOMX

11-17-2007, 05:07 PM

Riiiiiiight. :whatever:

I do not gamble, but I would on that.

If you were an immortal with 400 years to plan for the BIRTH of an enemy who can teleport and stop time... what would you do... just wait around for him to show up or build a financial empire and become obsessed with bloodlines Mr. Sinester style?

Also... who is that in your avvy?

Matt

11-18-2007, 05:59 PM

Believe it or not, bullets often do this thing called "catching people by surprise." I hear they're really fast. Also, there was a crowd of people behind DL.
Now, that's a Hero (who didn't want to be on the show any longer).

That argument would be valid if it were not for three things.

1) DL proved seconds earlier that can phase as a reflex in a split second when the guy tried to punch him.

2) Its not as if the guy stepped around the corner, suprised him and shot him. He walked up to him, giving DL plenty of time to tell him to go away, etc. DL had plenty of time to phase.

3) If it is a reflex, as point number 1 implies, it would be the equivilant to flinching. He wouldn't think there are people behind him. He just would.

Matt

11-18-2007, 06:00 PM

I do not gamble, but I would on that.

If you were an immortal with 400 years to plan for the BIRTH of an enemy who can teleport and stop time... what would you do... just wait around for him to show up or build a financial empire and become obsessed with bloodlines Mr. Sinester style?

Also... who is that in your avvy?

Well, I'd probably just go kill his mom while she was pregnant.

Matt

11-18-2007, 06:03 PM

And actually neither really escaped since Adam IS the company and this was just a ruse to gain Peter's trust.

An interesting point, to be honest. Linderman was in control of The Company, before Bob. We know that. Linderman was Adam's discipile according to Bob, correct? So why would Linderman allow his mentor to be locked up?

Abaddon

11-18-2007, 06:07 PM

there were divisions among the group.

VICTORVONDOOMX

11-18-2007, 06:42 PM

An interesting point, to be honest. Linderman was in control of The Company, before Bob. We know that. Linderman was Adam's discipile according to Bob, correct? So why would Linderman allow his mentor to be locked up?I think that this was a carefully calculated ruse to get Pete to act as his bodyguard while he releases the virus or to utilize one of Pete's particular powers to do so....
Adam is definitly the hooded guy. The progenitor of them all..."Adam"... then proceeds to kill his last generation of lackeys before any of them catch onto what they've really been in service to...

Abaddon

11-18-2007, 07:15 PM

Bob isn't working with Adam.

VICTORVONDOOMX

11-18-2007, 11:49 PM

We'll know for sure in just two weeks!

JPC4

11-19-2007, 12:13 PM

An interesting point, to be honest. Linderman was in control of The Company, before Bob. We know that. Linderman was Adam's discipile according to Bob, correct? So why would Linderman allow his mentor to be locked up?

Maybe Bob was on the side of Nakamura and Devereaux, who opposed Linderman's plan. Maybe they locked Adam up without Linderman knowing about it, and then kept him hidden.

VoodooBat

11-19-2007, 09:52 PM

Well, I guess tonights episode should be ending the speculation on this thread......cough......Adam.......cough.... :woot:

Golgo-13

11-19-2007, 10:14 PM

So did Adam kill Kaito out of revenge for Hiro? Or because they locked him up? Ppl keep saying it's out of revenge for Hiro, when he (Adam) could have killed Kaito all the years they worked together.......

VICTORVONDOOMX

11-19-2007, 10:19 PM

Golgo-13

11-19-2007, 10:23 PM

I agree. It's one hell of grudge to hold. I know he 'swore' Hiro would pay..but damn.

hammye

11-19-2007, 10:44 PM

Adam has been locked up for 30 years so I doubt that he knows that Hiro exists at this time.

VICTORVONDOOMX

11-19-2007, 10:46 PM

No... he hasn't been.

HE is the villian.

HE is the source of the "been locked up for 30 years" story.

Linderman, who was in charge until 4 months ago was his FOLLOWER.

The Lizard

11-19-2007, 10:51 PM

Well, it was either Adam or West (heh- Adam West :D).

So it was Adam. Yay. Yawn.

Knives122

11-19-2007, 11:36 PM

WTH was up with HRG trying to spark a conversation with West about what car he drove?

Random much?

The Caped Knight

11-19-2007, 11:58 PM

I agree. It's one hell of grudge to hold. I know he 'swore' Hiro would pay..but damn.

I Know all of this over a Woman :whatever:

gkokujin

11-20-2007, 01:10 AM

I Know all of this over a Woman :whatever:

she had excellent head game.

chamber-music

11-20-2007, 05:21 AM

All of this is about making Hiro suffer and knowing that he's suffering for stealing Adam's Princess. Which really imprickens (new word) Adam, 'cause, Hell, I couldn't hold onto a grudge like that through high school, much less 400years. You stole my girl... I'm gonna destroy the world...boo hoo.

Surely there's more motivation at work here...?

It wasn't just the girl though. Hiro was his friend and told him he could be a hero. That he would have this great poer and live happy ever after with this girl. Adam felt Hiro betrayed him. He gave him all this hope and belife then took it from him. Plus in his eyes hiro all but killed him at white beards camp.

Adams killing the orginal heros for revenge for being locked up. Killing his father was double revenge for Adam, as he was getting back at hiro and his father for lockinhg him up.

After killing them there is nothing to say he won't go after Ando and Hiros sister if he finds out about them.

Matt

11-20-2007, 08:30 AM

WTH was up with HRG trying to spark a conversation with West about what car he drove?

Random much?

Not exactly the right thread, but I see it as HRG offering an olive branch, not so much to West, but to Claire. Trying to get along with her boyfriend.

Steyin

11-20-2007, 11:11 AM

I doubt Adam knows that Hiro is Nakumara's son since he was imprisoned for the last 30 years, but who knows for sure.

Golgo-13

11-20-2007, 11:12 AM

It wasn't just the girl though. Hiro was his friend and told him he could be a hero. That he would have this great poer and live happy ever after with this girl. Adam felt Hiro betrayed him. He gave him all this hope and belife then took it from him. Plus in his eyes hiro all but killed him at white beards camp.

Adams killing the orginal heros for revenge for being locked up. Killing his father was double revenge for Adam, as he was getting back at hiro and his father for lockinhg him up.

After killing them there is nothing to say he won't go after Ando and Hiros sister if he finds out about them.

The whole being locked up for 30 years things doesn't seem very impactful to me. I know they want to tiethat into the timeline of the original Heroes imprisoning him, but 30 years doesn't seem like a very long time to a guy that's immortal. To us, yes, because 30 years is almost 50% of the average humans life-span but to a guy that's about 400 years old, 30 years is like 3 months or so. If this whole thing turns out to be him getting revenge solely for them locking him up, then i think it's moreso that they turned on him for whatever reason, moreso than just that they incarcerated him.

Golgo-13

11-20-2007, 11:12 AM

Edit:

Double post.

VICTORVONDOOMX

11-20-2007, 05:35 PM

No... he hasn't been. (locked away)

HE is the villian.

HE is the source of the "been locked up for 30 years" story.

Linderman, who was in charge until 4 months ago was his FOLLOWER.

Well, it looks like I was 100% wrong about him not really being held by the company, since Angela backed up his story. Now, this leads to plotting problems: either she was led to mistakenly believe this and doesn't have the full picture and someone is trying to silence her before she gets it...OR having Adam & Peter in adjoining cells and allowing them to communicate was stupid, stupid, stupid. Bad guys THAT stupid aren't very impressive. That just makes no sense to me...

ALSO... even though Hiro couldn't "play God" by retroactivly saving his father... why not though teleport Adam's head to antarctica? That would have at least avenged his father as well as saved other's lives.

VICTORVONDOOMX

11-20-2007, 09:37 PM

The whole being locked up for 30 years things doesn't seem very impactful to me.
Based on what I've seen of Adam's personality, I'll bet he get's huffy at traffic lights, immortal or not. Time in a cell is frustrating and the prospect of eternity there might even make it moreso.

Sugarculted

11-22-2007, 11:54 AM

Well, it was either Adam or West (heh- Adam West :D).

So it was Adam. Yay. Yawn.

'Yawn', indeed. I kind of knew it was going to be Adam when Hiro kissed his woman, but I wanted it to be a lil bit more of an interesting choice.