Script Rundown- Bigtime Spoilers

[James T. Kirk]

lol, this is where i respect ED for what he's doing, IMO, the story would be much more interesting, if you start it from 3, then go to 4 while at the same time showing/telling you what happened at 1 and 2. You will have a beginning, the movie just wont start there.

I don't mind if the movie doesn't start at the beginning. I just don't like the whole telling you in a brief conversation between supporting characters idea, I want to be shown it.

[Gianakin_]

We don't know yet if the majority will be pleased or not, if it follows another formula than Ang's Hulk, it could do what the previous one didn't.

[Sava]

I don't mind if the movie doesn't start at the beginning. I just don't like the whole telling you in a brief conversation between supporting characters idea, I want to be shown it.flashbacks my friend, thats where you'll see it

[Gianakin_]

Agreed, flashbacks ftw. Use one of the most valuable narrative tools, LL!

[Sava]

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_alphacontent&section=8&cat=21&task=view&id=3385&Itemid=81

another review from one of the sites that gave us details yesterday...

[James T. Kirk]

flashbacks my friend, thats where you'll see it

I hope so, and I also hope they're not just literally FLASHbacks, of the blink and you'll miss em variety.

[Porygon]

It sounds OK, it all depends on the execution though.

[Sava]

I hope so, and I also hope they're not just literally FLASHbacks, of the blink and you'll miss em variety.

nah :woot:

[Golgo-13]

I want nothing more for TIH to be better, but i just dont see why they cant make a movie that will please the majority of people, X2 did it, Spidey 2 did it and Batman Begins did it, it isnt that hard.

Best post in the entire thread. :up:

[Cracker Jack]

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_alphacontent&section=8&cat=21&task=view&id=3385&Itemid=81

another review from one of the sites that gave us details yesterday...


Ok, so we get another one that doesn't mention Bruce injecting himself with SSS. A 14' Abomy? If the Hulks 9' I'm ok with it. If the Hulks 15' The green glow in the midwest you see will be me Hulking out. :woot:

[Advanced Dark]

Ok, so we get another one that doesn't mention Bruce injecting himself with SSS. A 14' Abomy? If the Hulks 9' I'm ok with it. If the Hulks 15' The green glow in the midwest you see will be me Hulking out. :woot:

The Hulk is 9' we already know that from Louis himself.

[Sava]

Ok, so we get another one that doesn't mention Bruce injecting himself with SSS. A 14' Abomy? If the Hulks 9' I'm ok with it. If the Hulks 15' The green glow in the midwest you see will be me Hulking out. :woot:

i would have liked Abomb to be around 12' myself but him being bigger is only gonna make Hulk look better when he kicks his big green ass.

[Cracker Jack]

The Hulk is 9' we already know that from Louis himself.


I know, they also said this would be closer to the comic. :oldrazz: :woot:

[Cracker Jack]

The Hulk is 9' we already know that from Louis himself.

Dratzs :oldrazz: :woot:

[Advanced Dark]

I know, they also said this would be closer to the comic. :oldrazz: :woot:

It is closer to the comic compared to the 1st one. They also said it would also share the tone of the TV show with Bruce as a fugitive, and it'd be lighter on the psycho-drama. Judging from the set photo's I'd say that's all true. Also don't forget the 9ft tall sticks with markers on them seen on set to represent The Hulk. I wonder if abmomination is 14ft standing straight up, or is he 14ft in his usual crouched position. That would be scary.

[Cracker Jack]

AD no need to goon the offensive didn’t you see the sticking out the tongue thingy? The Hulk should be smaller than Abomy. I’m not going to get in to pissing matches anymore. I’ll wait and see what comes up next before I go off on a rant. I hope this movie is good. I like the ideas so far (save one). But I’m hopeful that SSS has nothing to do with Banner becoming The Hulk. They should save that for Captain America.

[Sarg92]

I'm liking the sound of 'Hulkvision', it sounds great!

[Cracker Jack]

I'm liking the sound of 'Hulkvision', it sounds great!

Good point Sarg92. Yeah That sounds interesting.

[Bannerless Hulk]

I want nothing more for TIH to be better, but i just dont see why they cant make a movie that will please the majority of people, X2 did it, Spidey 2 did it and Batman Begins did it, it isnt that hard.

If it isn't that hard, then why are there so few? Not trying to argue, but you're picking arguably the 3 best movies out of each of their respective franchises. If there was a guaranteed formula, don't you think we'd have a few more of these movies? No, I think it's harder than it looks, and I think it's only the result of the first Hulk's tumbling that Norton & Co. are as serious as a heart attack about getting THIS Hulk right.

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_alphacontent&section=8&cat=21&task=view&id=3385&Itemid=81

another review from one of the sites that gave us details yesterday...

Just have to say I am so freaking loving the script right now. People may raise a fuss about this or that, but I thinking they're ultimately grasping at straws... looking for reasons to be unhappy, for attention, etc. There's nothing not to love about the script IMO. They really seemed to have stretched themselves - and I'm talking, I guess, about Norton mainly - to put the Hulk in some really different environments. I mean, from the Arctic to South America to some college campus with a fight makes the Kent St. massacre look like "lawn bowling"? Wow! And finally to Harlem for the big one... it's amazing.

And the opening scene just blows my mind... never thought we'd see a suicide attempt in a million years, much less to open the freaking movie. It has all the flavor of Hulk: The End or just a totally random movie. I hope the teaser includes it, actually, because people won't know what just hit them. Talk about coming from left field for Hollywood. Then again, we saw it in Fight Club, didn't we? Anyway, it sure gets things off to a bang. And then, like any good script, the movie is bookended with another suicide attempt, with Bruce jumping out of the helicopter unsure that the Hulk is even still in him (or so it appears)... though done not in quite the same fashion to thoroughly pi** off parents who were already unhappy about the first suicide attempt. Instead, it rectifies or brings balance to the movie.

Also, from listening to all of you, it sounds like they've stretched themselves to fit in different incarnations of the Hulk. I'm thinking I'm going to love it, but I realize there's that whole "execution" thing they need to take care of.

Ok, so we get another one that doesn't mention Bruce injecting himself with SSS. A 14' Abomy? If the Hulks 9' I'm ok with it. If the Hulks 15' The green glow in the midwest you see will be me Hulking out. :woot:

That freaking rocks. As if we needed more reason to think the Hulk is "the strongest one there is," this contrast in size just sends it all over the top IMO. With Banner's martial arts training, Hulk is going to be one badass mo' fo' in the last battle.

Btw, I'm in the Midwest too, so if you see a green glow yourself...

I'm liking the sound of 'Hulkvision', it sounds great!

No doubt! It sounds like it'll be the equivalent of the first Hulk's wipes/split screens, in terms of an effect. Once again... just amazing how many artistic elements, different perspectives, thematic elements, etc. it seems they're going to squeeze into this movie. I hope it raises the bar, in terms of moviemaking. Ah, now I'm just being overzealous. That teaser can't come fast enough! :hulk:

[DarthDaveBanner]

Sounds pretty awesome......but Samson Adams? Whats wrong with Leonard Samson? :csad:

[Cracker Jack]

And the opening scene just blows my mind... never thought we'd see a suicide attempt in a million years, much less to open the freaking movie.

Hmmmmm not to be a Richard Cranium but this kinda blows the whole not doing the bomb to be PC thng right out of the water. I have nothing against the suicide attempt I think it should go like this;

We follow the shadowy figure of a MAN, as he walks further and further onto the snowy iciness. He drops to the frozen ground, "I hate you Hulk! I Hate You!" the MAN pulls off his garb, crying, in pain and pulling a gun from his waistband. "You've taken my life. You've ruined my life. I hate you." he puts the gun to his head and tries to kill himself. The gun goes off. Pifft (the sound of spitting) THE HULK appears, spitting out a bullet, "Hulk hates Banner to."

[Cinemaman]

I liked reading some Norton's ideas, but I didn't like the whole concept being more requel than restart. Worse, I found here some cheesy scenes like the woman getting poisoned or the whole Banner & Betty storyline. I also wasn't impressed with where Norton decided to take Banner and how story develops, as it quickly turns into another Marvel's failure. I think they must understand that movie and comics are very different things. So right now, basing my opinion on that script review I can give it only 6.5 ot of 10.

[Norm3]

They just can't get the Hulk origin right. Why can't they for once give the fans of the CB what they want.:cmad:

[Figs]

I liked reading some Norton's ideas, but I didn't like the whole concept being more requel than restart. Worse, I found here some cheesy scenes like the woman getting poisoned or the whole Banner & Betty storyline. I also wasn't impressed with where Norton decided to take Banner and how story develops, as it quickly turns into another Marvel's failure. I think they must understand that movie and comics are very different things. So right now, basing my opinion on that script review I can give it only 6.5 ot of 10.


I don't see what is cheesy about a woman getting poisoned exactly. Especially since we haven't seen how the scene plays out in contrast to the rest of the film.

[Sarg92]

Some homages and few spoilers from ISEB



The script is Chock-a-block with in-jokes. BANNER stops by STANLY’S (Stan Lee –get it?) PIZZA and hangs out with the owner Stan Now, at first I thought this was Mr. Excelsior himself Stan Lee’s cameo, but it wasn’t - the script points him out about 40 minutes later as OLDER GUY.
And, BRUCE delivers pizza to a hulking Security Guard who is identified as Lou Ferrigno!
There’s more. Later on, two college dweebs are identified as JACK MGHEE-an obvious respelling of INTREPID INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER Jack McGee from the “The Incredible Hulk” TV show, and KEVIN FEIGE, who shares his name with THE HULK 2’s executive producer.
That’s not all: I’m also happy to report that PURPLE STRETCHY PANTS have a non-speaking cameo in this film.
Well, in the BIG BATTLE at the end of the movie, THE HULK puts on some pretty *****in’ Parkour moves.

Not too sure about the last spoiler.

[Cracker Jack]

They just can't get the Hulk origin right. Why can't they for once give the fans of the CB what they want.:cmad:

I feel your pain brother

[Norm3]

The Hulk CB universe plays off the whole Gamma Bomb senario. Thats why it so important they get that right, not copy other hero's origins!

[Memphis Slim]

where is Captain America mentioned?
I think that "super serum" thing is just another way to talk about research on regeneration and strenght... like in the first one, where Atheon wants Bruce Banner's blood to create a super soldier.
Same thing in "The Death of The Incredible Hulk"...


An obvious nod to the Ultimate universe.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Best post in the entire thread. :up:

Thanks

i would have liked Abomb to be around 12' myself but him being bigger is only gonna make Hulk look better when he kicks his big green ass.

That is one thing i liked.

The Hulk CB universe plays off the whole Gamma Bomb senario. Thats why it so important they get that right, not copy other hero's origins!

Agreed, a gamma explosion NEEDS to be there.

[Norm3]

The heck with that Ultimate Universe. I want the Hulk with 40 years of history!

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If it isn't that hard, then why are there so few? Not trying to argue, but you're picking arguably the 3 best movies out of each of their respective franchises. If there was a guaranteed formula, don't you think we'd have a few more of these movies? No, I think it's harder than it looks, and I think it's only the result of the first Hulk's tumbling that Norton & Co. are as serious as a heart attack about getting THIS Hulk right.

Well those 3 are simply the best of the best IMO.

Other examples of getting it right are there, Blade 1 and 2, Hellboy, Spiderman, X-Men, V For Vendetta, Sin City and especially Superman Returns got it VERY right IMO, just not as right as those 3.

[Norm3]

I haven't read all the spoilers but am i hearing that the Abombination is going to be bigger than the Hulk? I hope not. They need to save that for other villians.

[Cracker Jack]

The heck with that Ultimate Universe. I want the Hulk with 40 years of history!


Agreed, a gamma explosion NEEDS to be there.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh music to my ears :yay:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh music to my ears :yay:

Ha ha, its a strange feeling agreeing with you.......i dont like it:woot: .

[Cracker Jack]

Ha ha, its a strange feeling agreeing with you.......i dont like it:woot: .

Funny, I thought the same thing yesterday. The world is going to explode :cwink: :woot:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Funny, I thought the same thing yesterday. The world is going to explode :cwink: :woot:

Ha ha, FLEE FOR YOU LIVES! :cwink: :woot:

[GNR]

I for one,am glad they are breaking away from the typical formula all the Marvel movies up to this point have been using to death.

Incident -->Discovery of powers -->adjusting to new life and personal life-->emergence of villain-->etc.

Thank God for Norton,it's about time somebody actually tried to make a good movie before making sure everything lines up with the comics.

And also,all the rumors about the Ultimate Hulk influences make me giddy in the pants.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I for one,am glad they are breaking away from the typical formula all the Marvel movies up to this point have been using to death.

Incident -->Discovery of powers -->adjusting to new life and personal life-->emergence of villain-->etc.

Thank God for Norton,it's about time somebody actually tried to make a good movie before making sure everything lines up with the comics.

And also,all the rumors about the Ultimate Hulk influences make me giddy in the pants.

But the villain doesnt emerge until THE END of the movie, and if a super-soldier syrum is how he becomes Hulk, well, sorry but thats just lame IMO.

[SpaghettiHULK]

It is closer to the comic compared to the 1st one.



:huh::huh::huh:

[Bannerless Hulk]

Hmmmmm not to be a Richard Cranium but this kinda blows the whole not doing the bomb to be PC thng right out of the water. I have nothing against the suicide attempt I think it should go like this;

We follow the shadowy figure of a MAN, as he walks further and further onto the snowy iciness. He drops to the frozen ground, "I hate you Hulk! I Hate You!" the MAN pulls off his garb, crying, in pain and pulling a gun from his waistband. "You've taken my life. You've ruined my life. I hate you." he puts the gun to his head and tries to kill himself. The gun goes off. Pifft (the sound of spitting) THE HULK appears, spitting out a bullet, "Hulk hates Banner too."

[SHUDDERS]

That's good... but maybe a little too much dialogue to start off the movie? Your lines are great, but I kinda like the eery silence of the draft version. It allows for all the externals to speak to us... the wind, the cold, the green hand. If they allowed for some time between each of your lines, I think it could result in the same mood.

Speaking of dialogue, does anyone have any idea what the IESB reviewer means when he says, "I’m also happy to report that purple stretchy pants have a non-speaking cameo in this film"?

Well those 3 are simply the best of the best IMO.

Other examples of getting it right are there, Blade 1 and 2, Hellboy, Spiderman, X-Men, V For Vendetta, Sin City and especially Superman Returns got it VERY right IMO, just not as right as those 3.

Well, that's what we're talking about, isn't it? Not just ordinary movies that may have done well, but movies that truly excelled and pleased everyone. Can you honestly say the rest of those movies pleased everyone? Personally, I would put Hulk on the level of all of those movies, with the exception of Spider-Man, but my hope is TIH will be a Spidey 2, Batman Begins or X2.

Superman Returns... I just don't see what people like you saw in that movie. Same old villain, same old weakness, same old everything... the story's been told like, what, a million times? I just don't get it. Loved the scene where he saves the plane, though... that was kind of neat. :whatever: Oh, and I liked Brandon Routh. The rest was utterly boring IMO and the impregnated Lane... well, I didn't like that idea.

[FrostBite]

Well, that's what we're talking about, isn't it? Not just ordinary movies that may have done well, but movies that truly excelled and pleased everyone. Can you honestly say the rest of those movies pleased everyone? Personally, I would put Hulk on the level of all of those movies, but my hope is TIH will be a Spidey 2, Batman Begins or X2.

Superman Returns... I just don't see what people like you saw in that movie. Same old villain, same old weakness, same old everything... the story's been told like, what, a million times? I just don't get it. Loved the scene where he saves the plane, though... that was kind of neat. :whatever: Oh, and I liked Brandon Routh. The rest was utterly boring IMO and the impregnated Lane... well, I didn't like that idea.

I applaud you sir. I wasn't a fan of any Spidey film but the first, Superman Returns was a complete bust, because well it was boring. I enjoyed Luther, the end. Batman Begins I thought was an AMAZING film, but it didn't appease me on all levels, I felt it was a great film... not a great Batman film (Forgive me for hating this grounding it in reality garbage.) Also never enjoyed Blade. These arn't films that appeased everyone, heck, no film appeases everyone.

To go even further I knew more people who were bored through Superman Returns than Hulk.

[Bannerless Hulk]

I applaud you sir. I wasn't a fan of any Spidey film but the first, Superman Returns was a complete bust, because well it was boring. I enjoyed Luther, the end. Batman Begins I thought was an AMAZING film, but it didn't appease me on all levels, I felt it was a great film... not a great Batman film (Forgive me for hating this grounding it in reality garbage.) Also never enjoyed Blade. These arn't films that appeased everyone, heck, no film appeases everyone.

To go even further I knew more people who were bored through Superman Returns than Hulk.

Well thank YOU, kind sir. I've tended to agree with your opinions as I've seen you post them, but unless you say something disagreeable or inflammatory, well, there's nothing really to talk about, you know? :whatever: :oldrazz: :cwink:

But yeah, I actually edited my last post before seeing yours to allow for Spider-Man to be an exception to Jamon's list. That movie really was awesome and I say that with the asterisk that it was especially timely with the Sept. 11 aftermath... it was therapeutic for all of us, it seemed. But there was something about Spidey 2 that I liked even more. I think it was the hopeless romantic in me latching onto Peter and MJ and her finding out everything. And the "Raindrops Falling on My Head" scene. That was just such a cool idea IMO. But I don't think I've watched any movie as much as I've watched Spidey 2, not even my beloved Hulk.

Keeping it off-topic :cwink:, I loved Batman Begins infinitely more than any of the other Batmans. Like, BB officially put the comic book hero on the map for me. Before, it was just a bunch of goofy, dark films IMO with a wannabe tough guy who has neat little gadgets (and a wickedly cool car). For the record, my company's CEO - I work in a small nonprofit - insists the '89 Batman was the best comic book movie of all-time.

Never saw the Blade movies, 300, V for Vendetta or Elektra. And Hellboy was average IMO. Sin City was just out there IMO... sort of got roped into seeing that one. Wouldn't have seen it otherwise.

Going back to a conversation we had a while ago, I do love Narnia and the way Aslan looks. I bring that up because R&H is doing TIH (so it's relevant to this thread), but mainly because I think you might've gotten the impression that I thought Aslan was not believable as a CG character... and that wasn't the case. When I watch the movie, I don't see kids superimposed around him, but I see a live lion interacting with them. I was just trying to say that I think it's easier to digitally recreate an animal than a human.

[FrostBite]

Well thank YOU, kind sir. I've tended to agree with your opinions as I've seen you post them, but unless you say something disagreeable or inflammatory, well, there's nothing really to talk about, you know? :whatever: :oldrazz: :cwink:

But yeah, I actually edited my last post before seeing yours to allow for Spider-Man to be an exception to Jamon's list. That movie really was awesome and I say that with the asterisk that it was especially timely with the Sept. 11 aftermath... it was therapeutic for all of us, it seemed. But there was something about Spidey 2 that I liked even more. I think it was the hopeless romantic in me latching onto Peter and MJ and her finding out everything. And the "Raindrops Falling on My Head" scene. That was just such a cool idea IMO. But I don't think I've watched any movie as much as I've watched Spidey 2, not even my beloved Hulk.

Keeping it off-topic :cwink:, I loved Batman Begins infinitely more than any of the other Batmans. Like, BB officially put the comic book hero on the map for me. Before, it was just a bunch of goofy, dark films IMO with a wannabe tough guy who has neat little gadgets (and a wickedly cool car). For the record, my company's CEO - I work in a small nonprofit - insists the '89 Batman was the best comic book movie of all-time.

Never saw the Blade movies, 300, V for Vendetta or Elektra. And Hellboy was average IMO. Sin City was just out there IMO... sort of got roped into seeing that one. Wouldn't have seen it otherwise.

Going back to a conversation we had a while ago, I do love Narnia and the way Aslan looks. I bring that up because R&H is doing TIH (so it's relevant to this thread), but mainly because I think you might've gotten the impression that I thought Aslan was not believable as a CG character... and that wasn't the case. When I watch the movie, I don't see kids superimposed around him, but I see a live lion interacting with them. I was just trying to say that I think it's easier to digitally recreate an animal than a human.

Well, I must admit, with some characters such as Spider-man I fall into the "Fanboy syndrome" so, when I didn't see funny, witty Peter, and getting geeky awkward Parker, I felt a bit jaded. Whenever I read a comic, Spidey was the one to make me laugh.. not so much with Tobey. I felt there was humor but that his Peter was more of a joke, rather than spouting them. Though I must admit, Raimi's got one sick sense of humor with things like the Raindrops scene, and the dancing down the streets number in Spidey 3. lol

For me, BB again, amazing movie, will probably keep watching it. But for me, I was never big on Batman himself persay, but his villains. And although I got one amazing Batman I got "meh." villains. Even with the upcoming Dark Knight, I feel the twist to make the non-funny un-white-skinned-only-homicidal-Joker just isn't for me. I loves me some glorified, "Never could happen in a million years" villains.

And true about animals being a bit easier to model. But judging on the concept art they are on the right track, and if all else fails if they have a monsterish, animal-like Abomination, it should be pretty nice. :up:

[Ash Talon]

Even if Bruce injects himself with the serum...well, it's not much of a thematic change. I'll explain in a second.

One of the major problems with the first movie (and other comic book movies) is that fact that there's no reason to care about Bruce Banner. He has no personality or any particular ambition (other than pure research). This is reflected in his lack of chemistry with Betty. So why should we care about him?

In the comics, Bruce does push an innocent out of the explosions blast, thus turning him into the Hulk. But you're all missing the most important aspect of that origin. Bruce created the bomb that causes his Hulk curse. He...created...the...bomb. He becomes a victim of his own morality. He created a weapon. He suffers from that weapon. And continues to suffer.

In this possible movie origin tweak, Bruce develops a super-soldier serum (all speculation at this point). In his ambition (finally a character trait) or for some reason unknown to us, he tries the serum on himself. He created a weapon. He suffers from that weapon. And continues to suffer.

Basically, the continuing theme of him suffering for creating a weapon is intact. In the comics, he has an instinct to save someone from his weapon. How do we know this possible modified origin doesn't have the same motivation? Maybe the serum was to be tested on someone else, and Bruce doesn't want to take the chance of hurting that person? Isn't that the same thing as pushing someone of a blast's path?

We're left with the same thing, though. Bruce is haunted by his own weapon's power. Good lord, it isn't that hard to figure out.

Besides, it's not like the comics have Bruce suffering from some kind of guilt over the fact that he was saving an innocent. He continuously suffers not from an attempt to save someone as much as he's punished for his past deeds. He can never escape this due to the lingering presence of the Hulk.

Now, quite whining. We're all going to go see this movie anyway. I always find the whole "I'm a huge fan, but I'm not seeing this movie" as such kneejerk BS that won't come to pass. Happens with every comic book movie.

[Norm3]

I'm sorry but they are turning Banner in the Dr. Jekyll & Hulk into Hyde! When in the comic it was an accident.

[Bannerless Hulk]

Well, I must admit, with some characters such as Spider-man I fall into the "Fanboy syndrome" so, when I didn't see funny, witty Peter, and getting geeky awkward Parker, I felt a bit jaded. Whenever I read a comic, Spidey was the one to make me laugh.. not so much with Tobey. I felt there was humor but that his Peter was more of a joke, rather than spouting them. Though I must admit, Raimi's got one sick sense of humor with things like the Raindrops scene, and the dancing down the streets number in Spidey 3. lol

For me, BB again, amazing movie, will probably keep watching it. But for me, I was never big on Batman himself persay, but his villains. And although I got one amazing Batman I got "meh." villains. Even with the upcoming Dark Knight, I feel the twist to make the non-funny un-white-skinned-only-homicidal-Joker just isn't for me. I loves me some glorified, "Never could happen in a million years" villains.

And true about animals being a bit easier to model. But judging on the concept art they are on the right track, and if all else fails if they have a monsterish, animal-like Abomination, it should be pretty nice. :up:

Interesting points. It continues to intrigue me how our opinions of these movies are shaped by our experiences and namely how the comics influence those experiences. As you said, whenever you read a comic, Spidey made you laugh and so now, naturally, you look for him (Tobey) to make you laugh in the movies. Well, I'm coming from the background of having almost no prior experience with these characters outside of three main cartoons - Spiderman & His Amazing Friends, The Incredible Hulk and He-Man - and the Hulk TV show. I never had access to the comics and, in general I suppose, I'm not interested in them. I just like the characters and the Hulk's story appeals to me the most.

Raimi... seriously, I loved the "Raindrops" scene in Spidey 2. It was appropriate for a one-time use, for a special effect per se, and it tied in nicely with the themes of that movie IMO. But it was overkill and completely stupid in Spidey 3, and I attribute it to Raimi's failure to take the movie in a new direction, to be forward-looking, to be cutting-edge and to reinvent the franchise and/or to give us Peter Parker in a new light. Instead, he simply gave us more IMO. More villains, more angst, more minutes... and more doesn't always equate success.

I'm going to withhold judgment about TDK until it comes out. I've been following zero press on the movie... I still could hardly care less about Batman as a character... but like you, the non-funny un-white-skinned-only-homicidal-Joker doesn't readily appeal to me. Is it reinventing the Joker? Yeah, it seems to be, which would seem to be a good thing. But in this case, why do you reinvent the most classic villain the series has ever known? It seems to be counterintuitive and I think the movie's gonna bomb because of it... but again, I'm not following its press and one good trailer could change my opinion.

"I loves me some glorified, 'Never could happen in a million years' villains."
Ha! That is too true. I think that's why I am absolutely stoked to see the Abomination. I mean, who do you compare him to? He's unlike any other villain, with the exception of Alien or Predator or something. I'm not too familiar with those movies, so forgive me if I'm way off. I'm looking forward to a battle of titanic proportions with the Hulk.

[EmeraldBeast]

Hmmmmm not to be a Richard Cranium but this kinda blows the whole not doing the bomb to be PC thng right out of the water. I have nothing against the suicide attempt I think it should go like this;

We follow the shadowy figure of a MAN, as he walks further and further onto the snowy iciness. He drops to the frozen ground, "I hate you Hulk! I Hate You!" the MAN pulls off his garb, crying, in pain and pulling a gun from his waistband. "You've taken my life. You've ruined my life. I hate you." he puts the gun to his head and tries to kill himself. The gun goes off. Pifft (the sound of spitting) THE HULK appears, spitting out a bullet, "Hulk hates Banner to."
I think that is an awesome idea CJ. Kind of a inter-battle between Banner and Hulk. Very nice.:yay:

[Dragon]

Supersoldier formula=Hulk........stupid.

Working supersoldier formula but no supersoldiers....stupid

Blonsky transformation....very stupid

Plus-Too many wasted scenes (Banner suicide attempt, Banner in Brazil, Samson...)

This movie may turn out ok....but I'm not counting on it.

[Eros]

I'm sorry but they are turning Banner in the Dr. Jekyll & Hulk into Hyde! When in the comic it was an accident.


considering the original basis of Hulk/banner was based on Jekyll and Hyde, I don't see the problem with that.

[gdw]

Hmm, I actually just came in here with the intention of looking up the Hulk origin change from the script. I guess I shouldn't be too surprised it is such a hot topic.

Now I, personally, am fine with the inclusion of the super soldier formula in some way as it is often wrapped into many of Marvel's back stories now a days. However, I would really like to see the G bomb being the true origin, or at least what triggers it, even if the formula was tied in before it.

Not that my oppinion really is of anyone's concern.

However, what I found interesting in the script summaries we got was that Blonsky is only, well, turned into a "super" soldier from the formula, but it is not until he gets a does of the stuff worked out from Bruce's blood that he becomes the full Abomination.

Considering the "explanation" Ross uses to get Blonsky to agree, I wouldn't be surprised if Ross was bending the truth in that matter so as to justify his hunt of Banner to the right people. Considering these bits of info, it would make sense that there is more to Hulk's origin than is laid out in these summaries. Mind you, I do not see why the people who read the scripts would have not included the a bomb stuff.
It is not like it is really any kind of twist or real secret spoiler.


Any who, on a similar not, with the Ang Lee origin take, what really was salt in the wound to me, was the inclusion of a gamma bomb, just it had nothing to, directly, do with Hulk's creation. Every time I see it, I think 'You made a damn G bomb in the movie, so obviously it had nothing to do with the probability of it happening, but you don't use it for the actual damned use it had in the books??? WTF???'

[FrostBite]

Interesting points. It continues to intrigue me how our opinions of these movies are shaped by our experiences and namely how the comics influence those experiences. As you said, whenever you read a comic, Spidey made you laugh and so now, naturally, you look for him (Tobey) to make you laugh in the movies. Well, I'm coming from the background of having almost no prior experience with these characters outside of three main cartoons - Spiderman & His Amazing Friends, The Incredible Hulk and He-Man - and the Hulk TV show. I never had access to the comics and, in general I suppose, I'm not interested in them. I just like the characters and the Hulk's story appeals to me the most.


Oh definately. It's one of the main reasons I have been writing a script (that of course will probably never be accepted lol, just to try my hand at the whole thing in my spare time.) with an unconvential hero, no comics, no tv shows, nothing for people to reference. On the plus side, it's the pure form, and nothing to condence to fit to a movie screen. On the bad side... no brand name recognition and no one willing to take a chance with it.

[hame4479]

Serum!? Super Soldier??? Serum!!!??? It's the Incredible Captain Hulk America.

BAH!!

Complete crap. Why can't they get this Sh!^ right? !
So now instead of Banners Dad experimenting on himself it’s Banner experimenting on himself. I hope this is a crock. If not I'm completely done. I have no hope for this movie or franchise.


This is either a lie by ross to blansky or a general reference to what bruce was working on. I really don't think that they are saying bruce injected himself and that is what caused the hulk. Honestly I think this is a good thing. Super Soldier Syrum means cap and it means tie in. I think when all is said and done all of these films are going to weave right togethor if all goes well. Hopefully cap will be set in ww2, bruce was part of a project to recreate said formula, and the avengers will very closely adhere to some elements of the ultimate avengers animated film. Sounds interesting to me.

[Gianakin_]

Just a comment based on something AVEIT said earlier: Since when was Superman Returns faithful to the comics (I love it, mind you) and since when if it turns out that TIH follows the Ultimate Universe from the comics is not as faithful to the source material? Aren't the Ultimate ones comics as well?

[emi]

Speaking of dialogue, does anyone have any idea what the IESB reviewer means when he says, "I’m also happy to report that purple stretchy pants have a non-speaking cameo in this film"?

It's a gift that Betty gave to Banner. From the screenplay, page 72/73:

Betty

Target: They've got everything. Okay, it ain't Armani but...

He puts it on as she starts showing him clothes. She holds up a large pair of STRETCHY PURPLE PANTS

Bruce

I'm an irradiated freak, that doesn't mean I've lost my sense of style.


'nuff said!:cwink:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well, that's what we're talking about, isn't it? Not just ordinary movies that may have done well, but movies that truly excelled and pleased everyone. Can you honestly say the rest of those movies pleased everyone? Personally, I would put Hulk on the level of all of those movies, with the exception of Spider-Man, but my hope is TIH will be a Spidey 2, Batman Begins or X2.

Superman Returns... I just don't see what people like you saw in that movie. Same old villain, same old weakness, same old everything... the story's been told like, what, a million times? I just don't get it. Loved the scene where he saves the plane, though... that was kind of neat. :whatever: Oh, and I liked Brandon Routh. The rest was utterly boring IMO and the impregnated Lane... well, I didn't like that idea.

But its maybe a bit too much to hope for the movie be as good as those 3, a movie at the level of Spiderman, Blade or X-Men would de me just fine, then they can improve upon with a sequel.

Every CB movie has the potential to be as good as those 3 of course, but it is rarley achieved is it.

As for SR, i think it is one of the best superhero movies ever, i loved it, and have watched it about 50 times without ever getting bored of it. It seems to be a love it or hate movie, people either absolutely love it (it is coming 6th or 7th in the Best CB Movie Ever Thread) or absolutely hate it (some people on the SR board think its worse than B&R!).

I personally put it joint 4th with Hulk in my best CB movies ever.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Just a comment based on something AVEIT said earlier: Since when was Superman Returns faithful to the comics (I love it, mind you) and since when if it turns out that TIH follows the Ultimate Universe from the comics is not as faithful to the source material? Aren't the Ultimate ones comics as well?

The likes of SR and the forthcoming Hellboy 2 save themselves those criticisms IMO by not basing their stories on the comics.

However, I do feel it remained faithful to its characters and world. The Superman i saw in SR was the same one i have seen in the many comics i have read IMO.

As for TIH being based on the Ultimate Hulk origin, i didnt say it was unfaithful, just a bad idea, IMO of course.

[Gianakin_]

The likes of SR and the forthcoming Hellboy 2 save themselves those criticisms IMO by not basing their stories on the comics.

Indeed, but isn't it logical for someone to say that for this exact reason they are completely unfaithful (I'm playing the devil's advocate here, as you might have guesed, I don't care about faithfulness, or else I'd hate Batman Returns)?


However, I do feel it remained faithful to its characters and world. The Superman i saw in SR was the same one i have seen in the many comics i have read IMO.

I agree 100%. That's why perhaps TIH might also get the feeling right, just like SR did.


As for TIH being based on the Ultimate Hulk origin, i didnt say it was unfaithful, just a bad idea, IMO of course.

I should've been more clear, that part wasn't a response to your previous comment, I just went on with my thoughts and adressed people who think faithfulness to comics is everything.
However, I think you said yesterday that the movies who stay truer to comics tend to be more successful, right? I mean, look at Batman Forever or Daredevil, the Tom Jane Punisher or even Steel. They were closer to the comics than, say, Batman Returns or even the 1st Hulk, but that didn't do much for them at least critically.

[Sava]

i think when people say true to the comics, its the most popular version of the comics they want to see, the 70s/80s version of the hulk with Stans origin. The Ultimate Hulk is a crap version IMO, he eats people, he's a horny f**k who runs around trying to basically f**k Betty.

[Sava]

It is closer to the comic compared to the 1st one. They also said it would also share the tone of the TV show with Bruce as a fugitive, and it'd be lighter on the psycho-drama. Judging from the set photo's I'd say that's all true. Also don't forget the 9ft tall sticks with markers on them seen on set to represent The Hulk. I wonder if abmomination is 14ft standing straight up, or is he 14ft in his usual crouched position. That would be scary.Wow...wait a f**king min.... did you just say that THIS is closer to the comics ?.... did you just say that?....

[antonydelfini]

i think when people say true to the comics, its the most popular version of the comics they want to see, the 70s/80s version of the hulk with Stans origin. The Ultimate Hulk is a crap version IMO, he eats people, he's a horny f**k who runs around trying to basically f**k Betty.

But i think it's only the super soldier stuff they took from the ultimate universe. No matter how much i want a gamma bomb and rick jones in it, i'm happy enough with what ive read and im not going to let the altered origin make me hate and diss the movie before its out. Im going to stay positive for this one. And im glad 60% who voted in the poll were very positive too.:yay:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Indeed, but isn't it logical for someone to say that for this exact reason they are completely unfaithful (I'm playing the devil's advocate here, as you might have guesed, I don't care about faithfulness, or else I'd hate Batman Returns)?

Yeah i notice you were playing DA:oldrazz:

Anyway, in my personal opinion, no ,they cant say its unfaithful, because there is nothing previous to compare it to if it is a new story. It would be like saying every new story in the comics is unfaithful IMO.

I agree 100%. That's why perhaps TIH might also get the feeling right, just like SR did.

Perhaps, but this script review and Zak Penn's involvment done give me much confidence, plus, IMO Louis Leterrier is no Bryan Singer.


I should've been more clear, that part wasn't a response to your previous comment, I just went on with my thoughts and adressed people who think faithfulness to comics is everything.
However, I think you said yesterday that the movies who stay truer to comics tend to be more successful, right? I mean, look at Batman Forever or Daredevil, the Tom Jane Punisher or even Steel. They were closer to the comics than, say, Batman Returns or even the 1st Hulk, but that didn't do much for them at least critically.

Daredevil and The Punisher werent that faithful, in fact both deviated quite a lot from the comics. But as for those 2 and the others, faithfulness is nothing when it isnt a good movie.

For me, faithfulness is a big plus point for CB movies in my eyes, but if they get everything else wrong, it doesnt matter does it?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

i think when people say true to the comics, its the most popular version of the comics they want to see, the 70s/80s version of the hulk with Stans origin. The Ultimate Hulk is a crap version IMO, he eats people, he's a horny f**k who runs around trying to basically f**k Betty.

Agreed 110%

Wow...wait a f**king min.... did you just say that THIS is closer to the comics ?.... did you just say that?....

What more did you expect Sava? :cwink:

[Gianakin_]

For me, faithfulness is a big plus point for CB movies in my eyes, but if they get everything else wrong, it doesnt matter does it?

That sounds about right. It's exactly where I was trying to get at. And all I'm saying is, ok, let's say they don't get the origin like in the comics, 616 or Ultimate, do you really find the synopsis so apalling? Can you try, for conversation's sake, describe the Ang Hulk (or I'd do it if you want to) like the TIH synopsis and make a comparison? I mean, IMO, the irradiated dogs part rings the exact same "cheesiness-near" bell as the accidentally-poisoned-by-Banner's-blood incident.

[Sava]

What more did you expect Sava? :cwink: lol.. if he thinks sticking to the Ultimates is a good thing, he seriously doesnt seem to know that 90% of hardcore Hulk fans hate that version.

[Gianakin_]

i think when people say true to the comics, its the most popular version of the comics they want to see, the 70s/80s version of the hulk with Stans origin. The Ultimate Hulk is a crap version IMO, he eats people, he's a horny f**k who runs around trying to basically f**k Betty.

And that's the whole pointlessness of the argument. That, in the end, it's a matter of opinion and when you say "true to the comics", you can mean from the pure gold stories to the "Doc Ock married Aunt May for her small fortune" stories.
I'm not that good in my Hulk comics history, so I can't bring up an example, but from the Batman mythos, Nolan is heavily relying to the Loeb/ Sale stuff, a bit Miller, a good deal of O'Neal. But many say they don't like that era of Batman, and they prefer the 40s Batman, the hardcore Miller stuff. I'll tell them I don't really like the hardcore Miller stuff, and her egoes the loop again. What I'm saying is, it's a trap when you try to talk about source material (excluding the absolutely apalling stories every comic book hero has been graced with).
Ultimate Hulk is fine by me, and by others, but not by you. That's cool. But your above post says "when people talk about faitfulness they mostly mean..." and that's just not really true, IMO. If it's based enough on the comics, it's true to the source material. If the source material is crappy, in someone's opinion, then that's another story. But it's not fair to assume what people mean, even if it's seemingly a majority.

[Sava]

And that's the whole pointlessness of the argument. That, in the end, it's a matter of opinion and when you say "true to the comics", you can mean from the pure gold stories to the "Doc Ock married Aunt May for her small fortune" stories.
I'm not that good in my Hulk comics history, so I can't bring up an example, but from the Batman mythos, Nolan is heavily relying to the Loeb/ Sale stuff, a bit Miller, a good deal of O'Neal. But many say they don't like that era of Batman, and they prefer the 40s Batman, the hardcore Miller stuff. I'll tell them I don't really like the hardcore Miller stuff, and her egoes the loop again. What I'm saying is, it's a trap when you try to talk about source material (excluding the absolutely apalling stories every comic book hero has been graced with).
Ultimate Hulk is fine by me, and by others, but not by you. That's cool. But your above post says "when people talk about faitfulness they mostly mean..." and that's just not really true, IMO. If it's based enough on the comics, it's true to the source material. If the source material is crappy, in someone's opinion, then that's another story. But it's not fair to assume what people mean, even if it's seemingly a majority.

i've never been one for the gamma bomb, save rick, blah blah comicbook origin. But, the majoity of Hulk fans, this i know from being here all this time and talking to some of them outside, in the real world, DO want the 70's Hulk with Stans origin. Stans Hulk didnt talk in third person, he wasnt that strong and he was a prick. I'm sorry but you cant say "we are sticking to the comicbook" when you make a movie, with the origin of the hero from a different universe than the one that started it all. People want to see that one that started it all. Ultimate Hulk is a ... re-imagined, lets tie it all together type Hulk. Where he has to share his origin with everyone else. I dont mind that, most Hulk fans do.

[Gianakin_]

I'm sorry but you cant say "we are sticking to the comicbook" when you make a movie, with the origin of the hero from a different universe than the one that started it all.

I disagree with this, but fair enough.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That sounds about right. It's exactly where I was trying to get at. And all I'm saying is, ok, let's say they don't get the origin like in the comics, 616 or Ultimate, do you really find the synopsis so apalling? Can you try, for conversation's sake, describe the Ang Hulk (or I'd do it if you want to) like the TIH synopsis and make a comparison? I mean, IMO, the irradiated dogs part rings the exact same "cheesiness-near" bell as the accidentally-poisoned-by-Banner's-blood incident.

At the moment, i dont have to time to do a big long summary of Ang's movie at the moment, but i will point you to this post of mine were i take someone else's summary which i agree with and add my own thoughts:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=12899322&postcount=537

It is more of an opinion on the movie than a summary though, but it may give you what you require from me.

lol.. if he thinks sticking to the Ultimates is a good thing, he seriously doesnt seem to know that 90% of hardcore Hulk fans hate that version.

I agree, i hope that version never see's the light of day, its terrible, and if AD thinks people will be happy with that version being presented on screen, he is seriously misguided!

[Gianakin_]

At the moment, i dont have to time to do a big long summary of Ang's movie at the moment, but i will point you to this post of mine were i take someone else's summary which i agree with and add my own thoughts:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=12899322&postcount=537

It is more of an opinion on the movie than a summary though, but it may give you what you require from me.

Well, it's more of a character analysis than a script summary. I'll show you what I mean when I have the time, and I'll do it as objectively as I can (which shouldn't be difficult, I have no hostile feelings against Ang's Hulk, even though I didn't like it).

[SpaghettiHULK]

However, I think you said yesterday that the movies who stay truer to comics tend to be more successful, right? I mean, look at Batman Forever or Daredevil, the Tom Jane Punisher or even Steel. They were closer to the comics than, say, Batman Returns or even the 1st Hulk, but that didn't do much for them at least critically.

Daredevil has the same f***in' mistake with origin: Matt hasn't his accident in attempt to save an old man from the truck of scories. He was not an unconditional hero by his nature ... and then all goes to hell. Daredevil as an xecutioner, killing criminals, doubts about his morality and all that stuff...

[Gianakin_]

But in the movie he didn't have the accident while saving an old man. He ran away when he saw that his father was a goon. And the film defintaely got the feeling right, IMO.

[SpaghettiHULK]

I was talkin about the movie. In the Original Comics's origin he has the accident in attempt to save the life of an old man that is going to be smashed by a truck of waste... and he pays his braveness with the blindness... and his new powers. In the movie, all that story goes in the garbage...

[Gianakin_]

Oh, I see, I misread you. Well sure, the origin wasn't exactly faithful, but the whole deal with him questioning his morality has appeared often in the comics (the recent ones at least). Also, the atmosphere ws close, the essence of moist characters, plus in the end, he goes into the "not killing" mode. He finds himself. I think it worked as an origin story and did justice to the points the comics made.

[SpaghettiHULK]

But the question is that DD has never been a killer like criminals he fights. Him questioning his morality has appeared in the comics without the need of seeing him kills anyone.
Bruce Banner that doesn't became the Hulk in attempt to save someone(or Matt Murdock/Daredevil), is like Peter Parker that don't learn about "responsibility" by the murder of his uncle(that him caused). All these elements are fundamental, like the trigger that unleashes events.

[Gianakin_]

I understand what you mean, some events in their lives are catalysts. I agree with that.
But to me Murdock losing his eyesight by saving someone or by seeing that his dad is a criminal makes me think it would do the same impact, making him leaning towards the good side.
Parker the same, always feeling guilty and trying to atone.
Banner, now, is another case. I guess saving Rick and getting the blast is making his story tragic in an "out of the blue" way, but injecting himself makes him tragic in an equally (if not more) interesting way: A man so vain, he tried to go too far and got burned for it. Big time. And now he has a chance to atone for this (with the Abomination incident). I like it, it works. Man paying for his vanity isn't only a reminiscent of Parker, but also of classic tragic stories, plus it's faithful to a particular run of comics. It's the whole deal for me. I can see why it's not for you, though.
Anyway, we went a bit off. My initial point is that it certainly wasn't the DD origin that made people not like the movie mch, but the movie itself. Batman Returns was far from faithful but people liked it because it worked as a film and captured certain aspects of the character (cetainly not all). I mean, look at Batman Forever. In many aspects it was faithful: But to which comics? And was it eventually such great film (not to me)?
So, movies that tend to do well don't do well primarily for their faithfulness, but because they're good, IMO.

[SpaghettiHULK]

I understand what you mean, some events in their lives are catalysts. I agree with that.
But to me Murdock losing his eyesight by saving someone or by seeing that his dad is a criminal makes me think it would do the same impact, making him leaning towards the good side.
Parker the same, always feeling guilty and trying to atone.
Banner, now, is another case. I guess saving Rick and getting the blast is making his story tragic in an "out of the blue" way, but injecting himself makes him tragic in an equally (if not more) interesting way: A man so vain, he tried to go too far and got burned for it. Big time. And now he has a chance to atone for this (with the Abomination incident). I like it, it works. Man paying for his vanity isn't only a reminiscent of Parker, but also of classic tragic stories, plus it's faithful to a particular run of comics. It's the whole deal for me.

But he's not Bruce Banner anymore... :csad:

[Gianakin_]

I understand. I'm sorry you got turned off that much, I really hope the origin deal is something that can at least contain some middle ground for as many as possible.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I understand. I'm sorry you got turned off that much, I really hope the origin deal is something that can at least contain some middle ground for as many as possible.

Thats what i dont understand, by mixing elements of both, both sets of fans will be happy. SO why concentrate on one and not the other?

[Gianakin_]

Maybe the synopsis omitted a Gamma Explosion?
Having said all those arguments in this thread, the origin, silly as I may find it, is too classic to be omitted. If I have to guess, the synopsis just didn't mention it. It's too iconic not to include it. It would certainly be ballsy if they decided to completely change it and not just vary it, like Ang Lee did.

[newavengers12]

I just read the script piece and it just sound awesome!!! I hope the movie come out big and make tons of millions!!!!

just for marvel to pick up some extra cash for the most anticipated super hero movie, IMO, Captain America!
I'm sure I'M and Hulk will pay off marvels loan and give them enough strenght to make even better movies!

[Cracker Jack]

[SHUDDERS]

That's good... but maybe a little too much dialogue to start off the movie? Your lines are great, but I kinda like the eery silence of the draft version. It allows for all the externals to speak to us... the wind, the cold, the green hand. If they allowed for some time between each of your lines, I think it could result in the same mood.



That's what i was thinking when I wrote it. The whole scene would take about two minutes. This is his last desperate act. It's not like he hiking :woot:

[L0ngsh0t]

I understand. I'm sorry you got turned off that much, I really hope the origin deal is something that can at least contain some middle ground for as many as possible.

I'm surprised there are people made about the direction of this movie

Ang Lee's was good but certainly without its faults and many of them

On paper (Story, cast etc) this looks about 10 times better imo

[Cracker Jack]

I think that is an awesome idea CJ. Kind of a inter-battle between Banner and Hulk. Very nice.:yay:

Thanks EB :yay:

[newavengers12]

it certeinly looks better! lets see what happens.

I actually like some stuff of the first movie...
I hope for this one to give me more action!

[Gianakin_]

I'm surprised there are people made about the direction of this movie

Ang Lee's was good but certainly without its faults and many of them

On paper (Story, cast etc) this looks about 10 times better imo

Yes, comparing the 2 films on paper only, I certainly am looking forward to it more.

[SpaghettiHULK]

Yes, I'm lookin forward to it too. But I just hope that they will not f**k with the *Soul* of the character(and this also concerns those aspects of his Origins). Rest of the script is awesome

[newavengers12]

right you are bud!

[L0ngsh0t]

Yes, I'm lookin forward to it too. But I just hope that they will not f**k with the *Soul* of the character(and this also concerns those aspects of his Origins). Rest of the script is awesome

I don't think they will

however if they do how bad could it really screw the rest of the movie?

[emi]

Maybe the synopsis omitted a Gamma Explosion?

Nope, the origin has been slightly and smartly retconned. Again, from the screenplay, page 41:

FLASHBACK:

Images from the accident that created the HULK. Surreal and overamped as before but more detailed this time.

-FIRE
-a huge MRI-like machine (the Gamma Pulse) rising above us and being smashed through glass
-bodies of two of Banner's grad students lying still under the controle console driven back onto them, a soldier in uniform also still
-BETTY, still on the ground a gash in her head
-ROSS on the floor, backing up holding his left arm in agony, trying to reach Betty and looking up at...

and then at page 51:

Memory flash: Betty lying in a coma, turning to see Ross outside the glass door with two MP's.

[SpaghettiHULK]

goddamn! Is that the Official SP?

[Cracker Jack]

Nope, the origin has been slightly and smartly retconned. Again, from the screenplay, page 41:

FLASHBACK:

Images from the accident that created the HULK. Surreal and overamped as before but more detailed this time.

-FIRE
-a huge MRI-like machine (the Gamma Pulse) rising above us and being smashed through glass
-bodies of two of Banner's grad students lying still under the controle console driven back onto them, a soldier in uniform also still
-BETTY, still on the ground a gash in her head
-ROSS on the floor, backing up holding his left arm in agony, trying to reach Betty and looking up at...



Where did you get this?

[SpaghettiHULK]

put a damn *SPOILER* on it!

[Gianakin_]

Doesn't look too bad.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Where did you get this?

Yeah, its interesting to say the least!

[emi]

put a damn *SPOILER* on it!

Dude, I absolutely don't give a **** about it: this one is a spoilers forum, do you understand such simple concepts? Good. A small clarification: relax folks and stop the craziness, Goddamn! There's no ****ty and horny Ultimate Hulk, the movie green goliath is the good ol' fashioned 616 version. Hope it helps.

[Kanon]

Where did you get this?
Good question

[Sava]

leaked script.

[Kanon]

leaked script.
Is there a way to access this script?

[emi]

Is there a way to access this script?

Forget it: no way in hell.

[Kanon]

Forget it: no way in hell.
Why?

[Cracker Jack]

Dude, I absolutely don't give a **** about it: this one is a spoilers forum, do you understand such simple concepts? Good. A small clarification: relax folks and stop the craziness, Goddamn! There's no ****ty and horny Ultimate Hulk, the movie green goliath is the good ol' fashioned 616 version. Hope it helps.

There's no reason to jump on Spaghetti and to start cursing. Besides, it takes away from your creditability :cwink:

Sorry for being and old guy :yay: but what is 616?

[emi]

Why?

Top-secret movie scripts are for a close circle not for the ignorant masses.

[Cracker Jack]

Top-secret movie scripts are for a close circle not for the ignorant masses.


Wow what an A$$.

[Sarg92]

Ok emi. Thanks for you info.

Could you clear up the whole 'super soldier serum' part? What is happening with that? A lot of people are really ticked off with it.

And you posted about a Gamma pulse. How similar is that accident to the orginal Hulk origin?

[Kanon]

Top-secret movie scripts are for a close circle not for the ignorant masses.
Ok, don't worry, I've read enough fan scripts :cwink:

[FrostBite]

Top-secret movie scripts are for a close circle not for the ignorant masses.

:wow: Oh my god! He seems so credible!

[emi]

Ok emi. Thanks for you info.

Could you clear up the whole 'super soldier serum' part? What is happening with that? A lot of people are really ticked off with it.

And you posted about a Gamma pulse. How similar is that accident to the orginal Hulk origin?

Allright, there's a very smart and revealing dialogue between Blonsky and Ross:

ROSS (CONT'D)
I'm sure you're aware that we've got an Infantry Weapons Development program...within it however we ran a sub-program for Bio-Tech Force Enhancement.

BLONSKY

Super Soldier.

ROSS

Yes...an oversimplification...but yes. Across the hall they're trying to arm you better, we were trying to make you better. In all the obvious ways and some not so obvious. Banner's work was very early phase, it wasn't even a weapons application. It was radiation mitigation, see if we could give our boys built in insulation against all this depleted uranium nobody likes talking about. It was promising but politicians don't give a Flying F about what real soldiers need, they like big twin rotor heli-planes that don't work that they can build in their states...and so our money was running out. Banner was so sure of what he was on to that he tested it on himself. It was supposed to be very low-exposure and something went wrong. Or went very right...I still don't know.

Oh my god! He seems so credible!

Utter idiot: I'm very known in those boards, my reputation speaks for itself, go away zitty loser, read my previous posts carefully. :whatever:

[Naite22]

Dude, I absolutely don't give a **** about it: this one is a spoilers forum, do you understand such simple concepts? Good. A small clarification: relax folks and stop the craziness, Goddamn! There's no ****ty and horny Ultimate Hulk, the movie green goliath is the good ol' fashioned 616 version. Hope it helps.

Precisely! Some people have a hard time understanding that! They're inside a feaken spoiler-forum! If they can't handle it, then stay the **** OUT!!!

[SpaghettiHULK]

There's no reason to jump on Spaghetti and to start cursing. Besides, it takes away from your creditability :cwink:


Oh, no problem. Italians are warm and passionate... :whatever:

[FrostBite]

Utter idiot: I'm very known in those boards, my reputation speaks for itself, go away zitty loser, read my previous posts carefully. :whatever:

I just pee'd myself from that little zinger. :dry:

The only reputation you're getting here is that of an a**hole. You may have it, we don't know. After all, if two sites have it, it's out there already. Meaning already in the hands of the formerly addressed incompetent masses. But I have no reason to want to listen to you, and with your embarressingly short temper, and your shying away from sharing the screenplay with anyone else really does put a hamper on your credibility.

I am not doubting you already have it. Besides, it doesn't seem like you could have written those excerpts yourself.

[Bannerless Hulk]

Oh definately. It's one of the main reasons I have been writing a script (that of course will probably never be accepted lol, just to try my hand at the whole thing in my spare time.) with an unconvential hero, no comics, no tv shows, nothing for people to reference. On the plus side, it's the pure form, and nothing to condence to fit to a movie screen. On the bad side... no brand name recognition and no one willing to take a chance with it.

Huh, interesting. Good luck with it.

It's a gift that Betty gave to Banner. From the screenplay, page 72/73:

Betty

Target: They've got everything. Okay, it ain't Armani but...

He puts it on as she starts showing him clothes. She holds up a large pair of STRETCHY PURPLE PANTS

Bruce

I'm an irradiated freak, that doesn't mean I've lost my sense of style.

'nuff said!

Thanks. I really had no idea what they were talking about. And sorry you've been harrassed of late, but really... should you be giving us the screenplay? Just hope it doesn't get you fired. lol

But its maybe a bit too much to hope for the movie be as good as those 3, a movie at the level of Spiderman, Blade or X-Men would de me just fine, then they can improve upon with a sequel.

Well, now I'm going to take your position and say why can't TIH be just as good as those 3? Speaking of, how did you pull that off? We're supposed to be on opposite sides of the argument, remember? lol

My feeling is TIH will be completely awesome as a thriller and sort of a medley or conglomeration of the 3 movies we're talking about. I think it's going to have the darkness (or the grounded-in-reality-ness that everyone so loves to hate) of Batman Begins, the action of X2 and the love story of Spidey 2... but not fully explore any of those three elements, so as to be distinct from all three. Or at least that's my best, most wishful-thinking blue-sky idea for the movie anyway. lol

Every CB movie has the potential to be as good as those 3 of course, but it is rarley achieved is it.

As for SR, i think it is one of the best superhero movies ever, i loved it, and have watched it about 50 times without ever getting bored of it. It seems to be a love it or hate movie, people either absolutely love it (it is coming 6th or 7th in the Best CB Movie Ever Thread) or absolutely hate it (some people on the SR board think its worse than B&R!).

I personally put it joint 4th with Hulk in my best CB movies ever.

Fair enough.

[Advanced Dark]

Yeah people should probably not be posting the screenplay on the message boards here. PM'ing is one thing but at the same time it is stolen property or a betrayal of someone's trust.

[Sava]

Utter idiot: I'm very known in those boards, my reputation speaks for itself, go away zitty loser, read my previous posts carefully. :whatever:

stop acting like a prick, posters here dont post where ever the hell you also seem to post, not everyone knows you here, relax and answer their questions, if you cant, dont. Stop calling people names and you are not better than anyone else. Grow the f**k up.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well, now I'm going to take your position and say why can't TIH be just as good as those 3? Speaking of, how did you pull that off? We're supposed to be on opposite sides of the argument, remember? lol

My feeling is TIH will be completely awesome as a thriller and sort of a medley or conglomeration of the 3 movies we're talking about. I think it's going to have the darkness (or the grounded-in-reality-ness that everyone so loves to hate) of Batman Begins, the action of X2 and the love story of Spidey 2... but not fully explore any of those three elements, so as to be distinct from all three. Or at least that's my best, most wishful-thinking blue-sky idea for the movie anyway. lol

Well IMO every CB movie could and should be as good as those 3, but we have too many examples to show us it just doesnt always happen.



Fair enough.

Cool :up:

[Advanced Dark]

Yeah Emi you went a bit overboard there. You don't need to take the bait. Now say you're sorry and go to your room. LOL

It'd be funny if they had a detention board here where if you got in trouble you'd only be able to post in one forum called "Time Out". I'm not talking about you Emi...just thinking out loud.

[Bannerless Hulk]

Detention board... lol

Well IMO every CB movie could and should be as good as those 3, but we have too many examples to show us it just doesnt always happen.

And thus, we've come full circle in this exchange, since you originally said "it isn't that hard" and I said "well, if it's not that hard, then why are so few?". I think we're on the same page. :up:

[Pac-Master]

Is the hulk going to actully wear the stretchy pants? I sure hope not!

[Infinity9999x]

Utter idiot: I'm very known in those boards, my reputation speaks for itself, go away zitty loser, read my previous posts carefully. :whatever:

I can honestly say I've never heard of you before.

[Bannerless Hulk]

Is the hulk going to actully wear the stretchy pants? I sure hope not!

We can't tell from the screenplay but one of the ironies of it is:

In the first movie, the Hulk wears purple stretchy pants/shorts and no issue is made of it, but in this movie, Bruce pokes fun at them with his "I'm an irradiated freak, that doesn't mean I've lost my sense of style" comment. Just one more way TIH is distancing itself from the first movie, it seems.

[Naite22]

Is the hulk going to actully wear the stretchy pants? I sure hope not!
Those pants are jeans! and jeans are anything but stretchy. But I agree, it's just dumb that everything else BUT his pants always manages to stay on whenever he turns into the Hulk. Completely ridiculous considering he's grown 4 sizes! On the other hand it would be completely unacceptable and dumb if you could actually see his big old green wiener!... But it wouldn't hurt for the them to get a little bit creative and come up with some sort of solution to the subject... Maybe he wears stretchable pants underneath, "just in case" he turns into the big green fella! lame?... not as lame as his pants staying on!

[EmeraldBeast]

Is there a way to access this script?
No. He's in Italy. Where would he access it from? Do yourselves a favor and try. It is not internet available and he doesnt know any one here in Canada.

[EmeraldBeast]

Top-secret movie scripts are for a close circle not for the ignorant masses.Top secret... you don't have access. Not from Italy. What a fraud.

[EmeraldBeast]

:wow: Oh my god! He seems so credible!He's not. Sorry to disappoint, but he's a phony.

[Spade]

Swallow my tongue and rape me sideways; this rundown actually has a plot that's engaging along with all the action.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Top secret... you don't have access. Not from Italy. What a fraud.
You know, UPS delivers packages even in this remote part of the world.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Detention board... lol



And thus, we've come full circle in this exchange, since you originally said "it isn't that hard" and I said "well, if it's not that hard, then why are so few?". I think we're on the same page. :up:

Well yes, but my point all along has been, that it shouldnt be that hard, i mean they have the best possible source material to draw from dont they.

It just depends on the talent involved. And i dont have a whole lot of confidence in the director or especially the original writer of TIH.

[Bannerless Hulk]

Well yes, but my point all along has been, that it shouldnt be that hard, i mean they have the best possible source material to draw from dont they.

It just depends on the talent involved. And i dont have a whole lot of confidence in the director or especially the original writer of TIH.

I don't know, do they? Isn't every comic book movie in the same boat - that the writers, directors and producers have "the best possible source material to draw from" yet still do not know what makes a bona fide good movie (that appeals to everyone in the same fashion as Spidey 2, BB or X2)?

As for your lack of confidence in the director... I think he's shown enough potential in his movies (with considerably smaller budgets) that I think we can give him a chance on TIH. But the "the original writer" has been out of the picture for some time now. I don't see why he would be a concern for you. We all know Norton has basically owned the script and written the screenplay, so any traces of that "original writer's script" are probably gone.

You know, UPS delivers packages even in this remote part of the world.

Yeah, I'm still not convinced that emi can't still have obtained a copy of the screenplay somehow. And just because his location says "Italy" doesn't mean he's actually in Italy. He could be being fraudulent about that also. I mean, how is it that one trusts a.) the fact that he's being honest/truthful about his location but b.) not the fact that he purports to have the screenplay? It doesn't make sense. You can't pick and choose what you're going to believe about someone and still be considered credible yourself when you do that. Now, I know EB works for Universal, but unless he's read the screenplay himself and can vouch with 100% certainty that those lines emi gave us aren't in the screenplay, then I see no reason not to still continue believing emi. Besides, why would emi make them up? It doesn't appear he was looking for a good laugh. On the contrary, he got very upset with us when we attacked his credibility and someone who's a legitimate fraud isn't that easily upset with such attacks.

[FrostBite]

He's not. Sorry to disappoint, but he's a phony.

Although I don't know if he does, or does not have such a script, and I will not count out either...

I think you failed to see my sarcasm. :oldrazz:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I don't know, do they? Isn't every comic book movie in the same boat - that the writers, directors and producers have "the best possible source material to draw from" yet still do not know what makes a bona fide good movie (that appeals to everyone in the same fashion as Spidey 2, BB or X2)?

As for your lack of confidence in the director... I think he's shown enough potential in his movies (with considerably smaller budgets) that I think we can give him a chance on TIH. But the "the original writer" has been out of the picture for some time now. I don't see why he would be a concern for you. We all know Norton has basically owned the script and written the screenplay, so any traces of that "original writer's script" are probably gone.

As i have said before, EVERY CB movie should as good as those 3, but when you get people like Tim Story, Brett Ratner, Zak Penn, etc working on them, they are not going to be anything special and in some cases will be dreadful.

As for Zak Penn, much of his script is still in the movie, hence why i am still worried. And LL's best movie was average to me.

[EmeraldBeast]

Although I don't know if he does, or does not have such a script, and I will not count out either...

I think you failed to see my sarcasm. :oldrazz:
OOOps! sorry.:yay:

[Bannerless Hulk]

As i have said before, EVERY CB movie should as good as those 3, but when you get people like Tim Story, Brett Ratner, Zak Penn, etc working on them, they are not going to be anything special and in some cases will be dreadful.

As for Zak Penn, much of his script is still in the movie, hence why i am still worried. And LL's best movie was average to me.

Okay, fine... I'll stop trying to change your opinion. :trans:

[roadrage]

the super soldier serum idea is lame. how much further will this movie drift from the storyline of the comic book?

let's see if they change abomination's powers. if i recall correctly he does not get stronger when he becomes angrier like the hulk does. he also regenerates slower than the hulk.

[James T. Kirk]

Could someone please tell me what the hell this is?

http://www.**************.com/images/news/hulk-2/Incredible%20Hulk%20-%20Edward%20Norton.jpg

[James T. Kirk]

And just found this quote in an article, "Edward Norton’s annotated 'Incredible Hulk’ script, for example, is currently available on a number of fan websites for the edification of prospective cinemagoers who don’t like surprises." Reviews are yeah, but the script itself doesn't seem to be.

[Antonello Blueberry]

IYeah, I'm still not convinced that emi can't still have obtained a copy of the screenplay somehow. And just because his location says "Italy" doesn't mean he's actually in Italy. He could be being fraudulent about that also. I mean, how is it that one trusts a.) the fact that he's being honest/truthful about his location but b.) not the fact that he purports to have the screenplay? It doesn't make sense. You can't pick and choose what you're going to believe about someone and still be considered credible yourself when you do that.
We live in the same city, you know it's called Rome, the one with the Colosseum and the St. Peter church (he lives and I work close to St. Peter).
He sent me just some days ago a script for a yet to be shot movie. He's a collector of movie scripts, and a comic-book reader. So I can vouch for him.

[Obi-Ron]

That's good enough for me.

[Bannerless Hulk]

We live in the same city, you know it's called Rome, the one with the Colosseum and the St. Peter church (he lives and I work close to St. Peter).
He sent me just some days ago a script for a yet to be shot movie. He's a collector of movie scripts, and a comic-book reader. So I can vouch for him.

I think you might've misread me (i.e., no need for the sarcasm, telling me where Rome is). I was actually supporting both of you, saying that he's either completely fraudulent or completely telling the truth but that there was no reason to believe the former. It's all water under the bridge. Along with your post above, it seems people have since come around to believing him for other truths brought to bear in other threads. For the record, I never doubted him from the beginning.

[Dragon]

Hmm, I actually just came in here with the intention of looking up the Hulk origin change from the script. I guess I shouldn't be too surprised it is such a hot topic.

Now I, personally, am fine with the inclusion of the super soldier formula in some way as it is often wrapped into many of Marvel's back stories now a days. However, I would really like to see the G bomb being the true origin, or at least what triggers it, even if the formula was tied in before it.

Not that my oppinion really is of anyone's concern.

However, what I found interesting in the script summaries we got was that Blonsky is only, well, turned into a "super" soldier from the formula, but it is not until he gets a does of the stuff worked out from Bruce's blood that he becomes the full Abomination.

Considering the "explanation" Ross uses to get Blonsky to agree, I wouldn't be surprised if Ross was bending the truth in that matter so as to justify his hunt of Banner to the right people. Considering these bits of info, it would make sense that there is more to Hulk's origin than is laid out in these summaries. Mind you, I do not see why the people who read the scripts would have not included the a bomb stuff.
It is not like it is really any kind of twist or real secret spoiler.


Any who, on a similar not, with the Ang Lee origin take, what really was salt in the wound to me, was the inclusion of a gamma bomb, just it had nothing to, directly, do with Hulk's creation. Every time I see it, I think 'You made a damn G bomb in the movie, so obviously it had nothing to do with the probability of it happening, but you don't use it for the actual damned use it had in the books??? WTF???'



Exactly...the super soldier formula is being used for everything...in fact it is overused. A creature as powerful as the Hulk can not be created in a test tube. The source of his power needs to be as cataclysmic as he himself is. The most powerful nuke ever created fills that bill. As you mentioned the very fact that they constantly presented gama explosions throughout the first film TPTB knew the strength of that visual. They were merely sqeamish about presenting Bruce Banner as a weapons developer, which is silly. The Hulk's 45 year run tells us that this isn't something that bothers the Hulk.

Back on the super soldier formula, based on the script rundown the version used on blonsky clearly worked with no apparent side effects, the only problem is his own hubris. There is no reason why there wouldn't be an army of super soldiers. Even if there were side effects...this is the military we're talking about.

[Hugebear]

Back on the super soldier formula, based on the script rundown the version used on blonsky clearly worked with no apparent side effects, the only problem is his own hubris. There is no reason why there wouldn't be an army of super soldiers. Even if there were side effects...this is the military we're talking about.

Good point, why wouldn't there be more super soldiers. More Captain America's? I'm guessing they are still testing the serum and have no idea if it works.&
Is this the first time anybody bothered to care about the origin of the Abomination?

[Spade]

I really hope this doesn't spill into future films making them a huge mess...the serum is hackneyed enough when it's all over the Ulimate Universe as it is without further reasons to detest its modern usage.

[Obi-Ron]

Good point, why wouldn't there be more super soldiers. More Captain America's? I'm guessing they are still testing the serum and have no idea if it works.

Cap's origin shows serum creator Dr. Erkstein (I think that was his name) killed by Nazis before he could share his secrets. Chances are the new Hulk movie will have an origin similar to Man-Thing's where a scientist, trying to recreate the formula, tests it on himself. Which would be nice for the 7 fans of the Man-Thing character, his movie didn't even come close to the comic roots!

I'd like to see the Hulk's G-bomb origin, if only to have the whole "Banner made a bomb/Banner became a bomb" personal conflict (and Rick!). The problem with this origin is that it was lifted from the cheesy 50's sci-fi flick "The Amazing Colossal Man." :wow:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Exactly...the super soldier formula is being used for everything...in fact it is overused. A creature as powerful as the Hulk can not be created in a test tube. The source of his power needs to be as cataclysmic as he himself is. The most powerful nuke ever created fills that bill. As you mentioned the very fact that they constantly presented gama explosions throughout the first film TPTB knew the strength of that visual. They were merely sqeamish about presenting Bruce Banner as a weapons developer, which is silly. The Hulk's 45 year run tells us that this isn't something that bothers the Hulk.

Back on the super soldier formula, based on the script rundown the version used on blonsky clearly worked with no apparent side effects, the only problem is his own hubris. There is no reason why there wouldn't be an army of super soldiers. Even if there were side effects...this is the military we're talking about.

Agreed 100%

[Norm3]

Is Doc Samson the first super soldier?

[Norm3]

considering the original basis of Hulk/banner was based on Jekyll and Hyde, I don't see the problem with that. I thought Stan Lee said Frankenstein?

[Gianakin_]

It was a mixture of the Frankenstein and J&H's respective mythologies.

[deemar325]

I like the script so far, especially the links to Marvel continuity.


DOC SAMSON!!!!!!!

[Naite22]

Could someone please tell me what the hell this is?

http://www.**************.com/images/news/hulk-2/Incredible%20Hulk%20-%20Edward%20Norton.jpg

Yeah, just what the heck IS that?

[Gianakin_]

A manip, it seems.

[November Rain]

How so quickly people who have seen norton as the saviour turn on him

this film looks like it's everybit as set for re-writing its own history that ang lee's version was.

on top of that, this so called life long marvel fan is going to make an ultimate hulk film..

i bet you any money bruce is a veggie in it

:o

[James T. Kirk]

How so quickly people who have seen norton as the saviour turn on him

this film looks like it's everybit as set for re-writing its own history that ang lee's version was.

on top of that, this so called life long marvel fan is going to make an ultimate hulk film..

i bet you any money bruce is a veggie in it

:o

It's all so f***ing depressing, :csad:.

[November Rain]

I find it quite hilarious actually

:)

[James T. Kirk]

I find it quite hilarious actually

:)

Why?

[November Rain]

to see the same people praising for being a fan and wanting saying him sticking to the source material is going to make it amazing and loving their photoshopped version of the hulk's new design (stating again its more true to the character) and also saying it's a good thing that he is no longer going to be cgi but a prosthetic to now...

having a hulk origin even further from the comics than ang lee's and more like ultimate hulk

another cgi hulk with potential to come across just as big as ang's

and a somewhat weak story which isn't really here or there.

[James T. Kirk]

to see the same people praising for being a fan and wanting saying him sticking to the source material is going to make it amazing and loving their photoshopped version of the hulk's new design (stating again its more true to the character) and also saying it's a good thing that he is no longer going to be cgi but a prosthetic to now...

having a hulk origin even further from the comics than ang lee's and more like ultimate hulk

another cgi hulk with potential to come across just as big as ang's

and a somewhat weak story which isn't really here or there.

Still don't see what's hilarious about it, to me it's just depressing, :csad:.

[November Rain]

to watch people's opinions change about something based on pretty much negative official footage or info change in the space of a week.

[Naite22]

To me, the film sounds freaken awesome! Than again, anyone else directing this film than Ang Lee is a step up!... can't wait to see the teaser!

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

How so quickly people who have seen norton as the saviour turn on him

this film looks like it's everybit as set for re-writing its own history that ang lee's version was.

on top of that, this so called life long marvel fan is going to make an ultimate hulk film..

i bet you any money bruce is a veggie in it

:o

I know, Marvel have made a big mistake with this that will come back and bite them IMO.

As of this moment, i am not going to see the movie, it is funny isnt it, people criticised Lee's movie for not being close enough to the comics, now this one comes out, and half the people praise it and half criticise it, despite it being even further away from the comics.

After their efforts in 2007 and with both Hulk and Iron Man looking like they will be 90 minute action fests with no story or character development like X3, i have lost ALL faith in them.

[Cracker Jack]

I know, Marvel have made a big mistake with this that will come back and bite them IMO.

As of this moment, i am not going to see the movie, it is funny isnt it, people criticised Lee's movie for not being close enough to the comics, now this one comes out, and half the people praise it and half criticise it, despite it being even further away from the comics.

After their efforts in 2007 and with both Hulk and Iron Man looking like they will be 90 minute action fests with no story or character development like X3, i have lost ALL faith in them.

This is how I feel. They have no idea who their own character is. My only hope is that there are MAJOR re-writes. I can’t say I won’t go see this movie but the Hype I had is gone. At this point I really don’t care. They have taking a simple story and likeable character, a character you could cheer for and turned him into a monster. I really thought I’d be jumping out of my skin waiting for this movie like we were with Angs movie. I even supported the changes. These changes are inexcusable.

[James T. Kirk]

This is how I feel. They have no idea who their own character is. My only hope is that there are MAJOR re-writes. I can’t say I won’t go see this movie but the Hype I had is gone. At this point I really don’t care. They have taking a simple story and likeable character, a character you could cheer for and turned him into a monster. I really thought I’d be jumping out of my skin waiting for this movie like we were with Angs movie. I even supported the changes. These changes are inexcusable.

I just hope Louis is reading all the vitriol.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

This is how I feel. They have no idea who their own character is. My only hope is that there are MAJOR re-writes. I can’t say I won’t go see this movie but the Hype I had is gone. At this point I really don’t care. They have taking a simple story and likeable character, a character you could cheer for and turned him into a monster. I really thought I’d be jumping out of my skin waiting for this movie like we were with Angs movie. I even supported the changes. These changes are inexcusable.

I must admit, i was slowly becoming hyped for this movie, but then all this stuff with the script came out, and i'm not even going to see it now, I feel you pain CJ.

[EmeraldBeast]

Still don't see what's hilarious about it, to me it's just depressing, :csad:.
What's depressing is that some people (November Rain) have no idea what they are talking about.

CGI IS the main f/x being used
Animatronics are being used to interact with actors and transformation and prostetics also in the make-up f/x.

[Cracker Jack]

I must admit, i was slowly becoming hyped for this movie, but then all this stuff with the script came out, and i'm not even going to see it now, I feel you pain CJ.

Jamon, I think we're jumping the gun a bit. I'll explain later

[EmeraldBeast]

Jamon, I think we're jumping the gun a bit. I'll explain later
Sup CJ, I hope all this script talk hasn't made you a non-Hulk guy, lol. Noticed how I was blended into your post, lol. I feel honored, TTYS.

[Cracker Jack]

Sup CJ, I hope all this script talk hasn't made you a non-Hulk guy, lol. Noticed how I was blended into your post, lol. I feel honored, TTYS.


Me a Non-Hulk guy? HA! :cwink: you feel honored to be blended into my post? I don't think I've ever heard anyone ever...no I'm sure no one has ever said that. :woot: I'll return later :hulk:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Jamon, I think we're jumping the gun a bit. I'll explain later

Possibly :yay: .

[November Rain]

What's depressing is that some people (November Rain) have no idea what they are talking about.

CGI IS the main f/x being used
Animatronics are being used to interact with actors and transformation and prostetics also in the make-up f/x.
before any information came out, there was a large thread here about how cgi was a bad way to go with the hulk and that's one of the reasons the first film didn't work because he looked like.....'shrek' :o

now the same people are right behind a....cgi hulk. A cgi hulk that looks more monster and schreck like than the first film.

All the people who slated ang's vision because he wasn't accurate to the source material and praised this film now find norton's vision to be even further away from the source material, even though it's been written by a so called long term fan.

all those who wanted the abomination as the main villain were happy to have him as being an improvement to anything ang did yet in this film he seems like he's gonna make a cameo apperance that'll make Venom in spidey 3 seem like an epic masterpiece.

The mess fans found about the gamma explosion not being in the first one and it not properly showing he was a good guy and his relationship with rick jones and vicer versa was something people were going to look forward to being properly done in a retcon. Now what we get is a cocky overworked overconfidence goblin-lite that tests yet another faulty super soldier serum on himself and screws himself over.

This film isn't pushing any boundaries, it's ultimately just more of the same but pretending to be correcting the mistakes of its predecessor but it's happy making its own fair share of them.

Sorry but i find that and the fans response to it amusing.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

before any information came out, there was a large thread here about how cgi was a bad way to go with the hulk and that's one of the reasons the first film didn't work because he looked like.....'shrek' :o

now the same people are right behind a....cgi hulk. A cgi hulk that looks more monster and schreck like than the first film.

All the people who slated ang's vision because he wasn't accurate to the source material and praised this film now find norton's vision to be even further away from the source material, even though it's been written by a so called long term fan.

all those who wanted the abomination as the main villain were happy to have him as being an improvement to anything ang did yet in this film he seems like he's gonna make a cameo apperance that'll make Venom in spidey 3 seem like an epic masterpiece.

The mess fans found about the gamma explosion not being in the first one and it not properly showing he was a good guy and his relationship with rick jones and vicer versa was something people were going to look forward to being properly done in a retcon. Now what we get is a cocky overworked overconfidence goblin-lite that tests yet another faulty super soldier serum on himself and screws himself over.

This film isn't pushing any boundaries, it's ultimately just more of the same but pretending to be correcting the mistakes of its predecessor but it's happy making its own fair share of them.

Sorry but i find that and the fans response to it amusing.

E-X-A-C-T-L-Y, couldnt have put it better myself NR.

[Silver Knight]

Wow! Just WOW!

Im blown away with the final 20 odd pages.

[James T. Kirk]

Wow! Just WOW!

Im blown away with the final 20 odd pages.

Final 20 odd pages of what?

[Silver Knight]

The script.

[Sava]

you could have just followed the link in the first page and read it all in one page, instead of 20

[James T. Kirk]

you could have just followed the link in the first page and read it all in one page, instead of 20

What link?

[Sava]

What link?

huh.. you'd think the guy who started this thread would have posted the link too, why, do you want the link?

[Silver Knight]

^Lol! Im lost and confused.

[James T. Kirk]

huh.. you'd think the guy who started this thread would have posted the link too, why, do you want the link?

I don't even know what link you're talking about.

[Sava]

I don't even know what link you're talking about. these

the websites that originally posted the script reviews , IESB (http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3381&Itemid=99)


or Latino review (http://latinoreview.com/news.php?id=2968)

[Silver Knight]

The link to the script maybe?

[James T. Kirk]

these

the websites that originally posted the script reviews , IESB (http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3381&Itemid=99)


or Latino review (http://latinoreview.com/news.php?id=2968)

Oh, I thought Silver Knight meant that he'd read the actual script.

[Sava]

Oh, I thought Silver Knight meant that he'd read the actual script.

i dont think they were posted here, or a link to them.

[Sava]

The link to the script maybe?

lol, no, a link to the site that posted the first couple of the script reviews

[Silver Knight]

I have the script.

[Sava]

I have the script.

the first draft?

[Silver Knight]

Yes. Why you ask?

[Sava]

cause i think the final movie is going to be different to what you have, not very different but some of the big things will be changed IMO, it after this that Norton started re-writing it on the go while filming too.

[Silver Knight]

Do you think the ending will be the same?

[Sava]

yeah