Script Rundown- Bigtime Spoilers

[antonydelfini]

FROM LATINO REVIEW (IESB got the script too)

Well here they are!
The Incredible Hulk Story Details
Date: October 2, 2007

By: Kellvin Chavez
Source: Clutch


Latino Review has done it again! The superspy that gave us some of our biggest scoops (George Miller directing JLA and Heath Ledger as The Joker), has read Ed Norton's first draft of THE INCREDIBLE HULK!

We are going to call our spy CLUTCH well because he is so clutch in these situations!

Be warned that there be spoilers ahead!

Here is what we’ve been told about THE INCREDIBLE HULK movie:

The Arctic. A MAN wearing disembarks from a tug boat and heads off into the remote wilderness. As he wanders through the ice, memories flash: a woman on the ground, flames – fuzzy and fleeting. At last he stops and removes his parka revealing a gun at his waist. His heart races as takes it in his hands and pulls the hammer back. A slight GREEN envelopes him.
A gunshot. The man falls forward, but his arms rush out to catch him: huge, muscled, green arms. The hands reach up the man’s head and come down, holding a bullet, totally flattened. We pull back and a roar echoes through the arctic wilderness.
Five years later. Brazil. BRUCE BANNER runs through the slums of Porto Verde, a pulse monitor keeping careful track of his heart rate, making sure he doesn’t get too excited. He drops by a shop to pick up a package – inside is a book on rare South American flowers. At a computer terminal, he sends a message to MR. BLUE thanking him for the book and explaining that he still has to find the flower – Bruce signs it MR. GREEN.
A few days later, Bruce enters a primitive bottling plant, putting on gloves and glasses like the rest of the Brazilian laborers around him. During beak time, Bruce talks to a supply driver who hands him a package with a leaf in it. Excited, Bruce checks his now-worn flower book and smiles.
Later, Bruce helps the factory owner repair a machine. He cuts himself, a few drops of blood landing on the bottle conveyer belt. Bruce quickly cleans it up, but misses a drop that landed in a bottle…
At his no-frills apartment, Bruce chats online with Mr. Blue. Blue asks Bruce if he has the notes on how to make the inhibitor and he replies that he does. Bruce then gets to work, using the few scientific implements he has. Hopeful, Bruce tests the purple liquid he got from the flowers on his own blood – but no change. He tells Blue it didn’t work; Blue suggests a stronger but potentially lethal dose, but Bruce replies that he doesn’t have any more. Blue then tells Bruce send him a sample of his blood. Bruce is hesitant… but decides it is his only option. He stares sadly at a picture of a beautiful woman, his wife, BETTY ROSS.
A few weeks later, in America, a woman prepares lunch for a group of children. The mother sips from a bottle – a moment later she spasms and falls to the ground, eyes rolling into the back of her head.
Later, at the office of GENERAL THUNDERBOLT ROSS, MAJOR CABOT reports that a woman got gamma sickness from a South American soda. Ross is intrigued by this. Cabot reports that it was bottled in Porto Verde, Brazil. Ross tells Cabot to get things ready – they’ve found him.
Ross watches his team prepare. They have photos of the area: the factory, Bruce’s apartment, etc. Cabot briefs the soldiers, a man named BLONKSKY leading point. She tells them that that Banner is a U.S. fugitive who stole military secrets and that they shouldn’t engage him.
Back at the bottling plant, some young RUFFIANS bother a pretty girl. Bruce does his best to ignore it, but at last steps up to defend her. The LEADER takes swings at Bruce, but he artfully dodges them. They leave, telling Bruce they’ll get him later.
At his apartment, Blue tells Bruce that there was success with a higher concentration. Bruce’s face shows hope, something he’s been waiting to hear for a long time. Bruce warns that his situation may be more complicated, but Blue seems confident that there’s a good chance it could cure him. He writes on a pad of paper: DATA FROM MAYNARD and sticks it in his pocket. Bruce packs up everything and sticks it in his pack for a quick escape, his nightly routine - just in case.
Ross’ team sneaks into area and breaks into the apartment. They attack Bruce in bed – but it’s a decoy. Bruce escapes and a chase ensues through the winding slums. Bruce makes his way to a bar near the factory, but runs smack into the punks from work. They chase after him into the factory while the soldiers also close in. Cornered, Bruce is beaten by the punks and, in cover of dark, he transforms into THE HULK.
The Hulk easily defeats the punks and soldiers and retreats into the jungle. Blonsky stares after him, in awe of the figure’s staggering size and strength.
Bruce makes his way north anyway he can. At last he crosses the border and hops a train, heading somewhere.
Ross and Blonsky meet with GENERAL GRELLER, his friend who helped him put together the South American job. Greller tries to wrap his head around what happened and tells Ross that something this powerful can’t be on the loose anymore. Afterwards, Blonsky insists he get answers about what happened, but Ross refuses. Blonsky, a decorated soldier, says he lost some friends of his and at last Ross gives in and explains everything.
Ross explains that Banner was part of an early experiment to create super soldier serum, but the funding was running out. In the eleventh hour of the project, Banner was so certain of his research that he tested it on himself – that’s when everything went to hell. Ross tells Blonsky that Banner is a scientist, not a soldier, and that he doesn’t understand that the power he holds belongs to the U.S. and should be used as a weapon. Ross then asks Blonsky if he’d be willing to take a shot of the serum, to have an edge against Banner when they face off again. Blonsky is more than willing.
Bruce goes to the university where Betty works – the same place his accident happened. Bruce sees her – with another man, SAMSON.
Bruce hides out with STAN, an old friend who owns a pizza place. He manages to sneak into his former lab at MAYNARD HALL (from the note) to find his old data, but finds it has all been erased. Later, as he discusses this with Stan, Betty and Samson come in. Betty catches a glimpse of Bruce and chases after him. They are reunited and Bruce agrees to go with her and Samson.
At Betty and Samson’s place, the three chat and Bruce smiles, the first time in a great while. He later talks to Samson, who explains he is a psychiatrist and even though he is sad Betty can’t be totally his, he is happy Bruce is alive. He also says that Betty has refused to talk about anything involving Bruce. Bruce says he hurt Betty and can never forgive himself for what happened, even though he would never let it happen again. Samson is still suspicious.
The next day, Betty goes to take Bruce to the bus station so he can go see Br. Blue, but Ross’ men get to him and a big battle ensues on the college campus. Betty pleads with her father to leave him alone, but Ross refuses to listen. The Hulk faces off against Blonsky, stronger and faster than before, but still no match for Bruce’s alter ego.
Badly wounded, the Hulk escapes with Betty, leaving behind a trail of destruction and a nearly-dead Blonsky. Enraged that the Hulk escaped and that his DAUGHTER is with him, Ross speaks with Samson, saying he did the right thing by calling. Samson wonders if he did, mentioning that the Hulk protected Betty better during the battle than her own father did. Samson informs Ross he won’t help him anymore and Ross storms off.
Blonsky is badly wounded – every bone in his body broken. His doctor says that if Blonsky even survives, he’ll be paralyzed.
Bruce and Betty travel to see Dr. Blue, laying low in cheap motels and rekindling their love. Betty pawns her mother’s necklace for cash – Bruce feels bad but Betty says they’ll get it back someday.
Back at the hospital, Blonsky has made a remarkable recovery – not only has he healed entirely, but he is stronger and healthier than before. Ross gives him more shots and Blonsky smiles, a little too happy with his power.
Bruce and Betty arrive in New York City – Columbia University, the lab of Dr. Blue aka DR. STERNS. Meanwhile, Cabot figures out where the two were headed and warns Ross, who prepares his team for New York. En route, a soldier asks a ripped and muscular Blonsky how he feels – “Like a monster,” he replies.
Sterns attempts to treat Bruce. He is amazed and shocked by Bruce’s transformation as the procedure seemingly malfunctions; at last, Bruce turns back to himself, the treatment outwardly effective.
As the team prepares their assault, Sterns shows Bruce his creations – animals Sterns injected with Bruce’s DNA. Bruce is mad, saying they must all be destroyed lest they fall into the government’s hands. Sterns replies that Bruce is paranoid – just as a sniper shoots Bruce with a dart. Bruce falls and is taken captive, Betty following after.
Ross and his team fly away in a chopper, happy that they’ve finally caught him. But back at the lab, the steroid-filled Blonsky forces Sterns to inject him with Bruce’s DNA.
In the distance, the occupants of the copter notice a huge explosion – something wrong has happened at the lab. A huge, hulking creature is destroying New York – Blonsky has become… an ABOMINATION.
Ross has no way to stop him and he realizes that Bruce may be their only hope, but after Sterns’ treatment, can he even transform? The back door of the copter opens and, high above the city, Bruce jumps, about to find out…
I enjoyed it - Norton did a good job with things. I loved how the first act played everything out - I really appreciate the little details woven in. The action scenes were great - I'm curious how Leterrier will handle them - but I'm sure they'll be entertaining - they have every potential to be and Leterrier was on his game with the Transporter films. I think this is a good set up for the franchise/Avengers movie down the line, at least, better than Ang Lee's was.

[GoldGoblin]

This is what the first movie should of been like in the first place.

[Bubonic]

It actually sounds like a continuation of Angs film, just for the fact that his ended somewhere in South America, and voila, here's Bruce in Brazil.
I'm thinking the emphasis on the LEADER was unnecessary because they must not have meant the crazy big headed guy.
I ended up skimming threw it, seems good, but this is just partial right? Seems like he Hulks out 2 or 3 times only, in the beginning I think, when he's cornered by punks, and presumably for a showdown with the abomination.

[Gianakin_]

It looks like a continuation of the Ang Lee film, but in the part where Ross explains to Blonsky about Banner's part in the military project etc etc, it would be good if he was talking about Bruce's father, and not Bruce himself. Then it would tie-in very nicely with the 1st movie, save for some details (like Betty being Bruce's wife).
Other than that, it's not bad at all, it's all about the execution now.

[Darknightnomis]

2 Words: Doc Samson :woot:

NUFF SAID!!!!

[Ahura Mazda]

It sounds good and I will be excfited to see this. There are some ties to the first movie but I see them more as coincidences. I hope the script will play be played out great on the big screen.

[Bubonic]

Well probably more then a coincidence, the script was originally conceived as some sort of sequel, so what I see Norton doing is just omitting wholesale references, and left it to ambiguity.

[SpaghettiHULK]

and made a great job!

[DeaDheaD]

Not to bad, hope they get a good budget.

[Bad Superman]

So it's a sequel after all. I thought it was a re-start.

[Cracker Jack]

Serum!? Super Soldier??? Serum!!!??? It's the Incredible Captain Hulk America.

BAH!!

Complete crap. Why can't they get this Sh!^ right? !
So now instead of Banners Dad experimenting on himself it’s Banner experimenting on himself. I hope this is a crock. If not I'm completely done. I have no hope for this movie or franchise.

[L0ngsh0t]

So it's a sequel after all. I thought it was a re-start.

What Letterier has said before is it is a new franchise that relates to the old movie

like Hulk is a stand alone movie, with its own story (more of a tragedy of love etc) and this is the spin-off of that story (Banner trying to cure himself)

so its not necessarily a sequel, but it is at the same time

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Serum!? Super Soldier??? Serum!!!??? It's the Incredible Captain Hulk America.

BAH!!

Complete crap. Why can't they get this Sh!^ right? !
So now instead of Banners Dad experimenting on himself it’s Banner experimenting on himself. I hope this is a crock. If not I'm completely done. I have no hope for this movie or franchise.

I 100% agree CJ, this sounds like garbage to me, not to mention it sounds lacking in action as well. Poor, very poor, dont even bother next time Marvel.

[Ahura Mazda]

I am not so sure that I like the suèper soldier theme but it looks like they are going with the Ultimate universe and not 616 regarding that. I guess they consider the gamma bomb scenario does not work. And there is no Rick Jones.

However, I remain excited to see the rest.

[Wolfman]

Oh man, I hoped my thread would have been used for this discussion... I thought it had such a cool title too...guess I should have post that spoiler text on my thread... but fine, I'll just ask some mod to close it. :(

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I am not so sure that I like the suèper soldier theme but it looks like they are going with the Ultimate universe and not 616 regarding that. I guess they consider the gamma bomb scenario does not work. And there is no Rick Jones.

However, I remain excited to see the rest.

I just feel drained after reading that, it sounds so cliche and 'seen it all before' its unbelievable.

[Bubonic]

Whats with the lack of action, I thought if anything, this movie would be non-stop action.

[Cracker Jack]

What's with the Captain America origin? Like I said, I hope this is a crock.

[Sasso]

Serum!? Super Soldier??? Serum!!!??? It's the Incredible Captain Hulk America.

BAH!!

Complete crap. Why can't they get this Sh!^ right? !
So now instead of Banners Dad experimenting on himself it’s Banner experimenting on himself. I hope this is a crock. If not I'm completely done. I have no hope for this movie or franchise.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/fi/thumb/b/b2/Ultimates_5.jpg/250px-Ultimates_5.jpg

Looks like this is the Hulk in the movie..'cept green. I have no real complaints, as much as I like his original comic origin, the gamma bomb would be dumb. Besides, the super soldier serum could play into a Captain America movie down the line.

Just trying to make the best outta it..

[Gianakin_]

IF this is the whole deal and not partial, then the action seems to be of the same amount as in Ang's Hulk. Anyway, the story might not be anything exceptional (but I like the mere synopsis more than Ang's Hulk synopsis) and if they make it less dull this time, I'll be a happy viewer. Bad guys seem balanced, Doc Samson sound good.

[SpaghettiHULK]

where is Captain America mentioned?
I think that "super serum" thing is just another way to talk about research on regeneration and strenght... like in the first one, where Atheon wants Bruce Banner's blood to create a super soldier.
Same thing in "The Death of The Incredible Hulk"...

[AgentEnforcer]

From someone who was involved a little with the production, I'm going to say take a lot of this with a grain of salt. Unless they did heavy rewrites, and everything i heard and saw was written out, some things don't really fit.

[Gianakin_]

Well, this is a first draft. But it generally fits with the 2 small summaries we got the past months.

[Cracker Jack]

where is Captain America mentioned?
I think that "super serum" thing is just another way to talk about research on regeneration and strenght... like in the first one, where Atheon wants Bruce Banner's blood to create a super soldier.
Same thing in "The Death of The Incredible Hulk"...

"Banner was part of an early experiment to create super soldier serum"

This screams Captain America

[kedrell]

Looks like this is the Hulk in the movie..'cept green. I have no real complaints, as much as I like his original comic origin, the gamma bomb would be dumb. Besides, the super soldier serum could play into a Captain America movie down the line.

Just trying to make the best outta it..

How so? I'll watch this movie either way, but I kinda wanted to get the whole gamma bomb thing settled once and for all. I prefer it to super-soldier serum, but I like the Ultimate storyline as well.

[Gianakin_]

Maybe they really are going for a Cap America connection. It indeed screams too much of it to be so random by Norton.

[L0ngsh0t]

They might be trying to link it too a Ultimate Avengers movie, as Iron Man with Nick Furry

[SpaghettiHULK]

it’s Banner experimenting on himself.

I had to agree, this is pure ****... I want Bruce Banner to be a victim of a lab accident in the attempt to save someone... like in Ang Lee's take. It was much better.

[Gianakin_]

But in Ang's Hulk it was both. The accident triggered the experimentation effects. If it wasn't for his father, Bruce would simply have died.

[SpaghettiHULK]

yes, but is the "accident in attempt to save" the real knot...

[Gianakin_]

It's the turning point, yes, but not the cause (or maybe one of the causes). From what I've read above, it doesn't contradict an accident part of the origin. It just says that after the experimentation, everything went to hell. It's not clear. I must admit that I really hope it won't be Bruce's self-experimenting, but his father experimenting on him (to further tie TIH with Ang's film).

[Advanced Dark]

I'm not reading anymore about this film. It'll completely ruin the whole experience. I already know enough and judging from the first part of this script...I'm extremely happy and it's exactly how I thought it would start.

Don't be surprised if this movie sparks another Marvel Studio film for ole Red White and Blue. I don't think I'm "cold". ;)

[TheSlag]

Wow! Simply wow! This really sounds freaking fantastic! I love the amount of details and subplots that they show a glimpse of in this. If it is done right, this could be simply amazing.

I have not been this excited about a movie since the first Spider-Man movie.

I simply... cannot wait. :up:

[SpaghettiHULK]

yes... just PLEASE avoid the self-experimentating thing and super soldier serum stuff!!! I don't want this to be just an introduction to Captain America's movie...

[Golgo-13]

I scanned through Latino review spoilers and ...WOW!

The first act is awesome. So i concluded that Bruce tries to commit suicide, but Hulks out and stops the bullet..?

[TheSlag]

Yep. Love that (opening scene?) with the Artic and the attempted suicide. Adds a desparation to the film, and the different sets/locations... add to the epic feel of the movie. And the Hulk should definitely have an epic feel to it.

[Gianakin_]

Yes, that's probably it.

[TheSlag]

"En route, a soldier asks a ripped and muscular Blonsky how he feels – “Like a monster,” he replies."


"In the distance, the occupants of the copter notice a huge explosion – something wrong has happened at the lab. A huge, hulking creature is destroying New York – Blonsky has become… an ABOMINATION.
Ross has no way to stop him and he realizes that Bruce may be their only hope, but after Sterns’ treatment, can he even transform? The back door of the copter opens and, high above the city, Bruce jumps, about to find out…


Some of my favorite parts.

"The Hulk easily defeats the punks and soldiers and retreats into the jungle. Blonsky stares after him, in awe of the figure’s staggering size and strength."

Hoping that "easily defeats the punks" is still brutal and without compasion. I want the COMPLETE Hulk... not a watered down version of it. When you're dealing with somehting this powerful... THERE WILL BE BLOOD.

Love the last part "in awe of the figure's staggering size and strength"... what the Thing in F4 should have been. And by size, I fully expect a large (no, not 15 feet tall, but still 8 feet plus), and WIDE/POWERFUL looking hulk of a creature.

[Gianakin_]

Eh, I didn't like the "Like a monster" part. Perhaps in context it'll be better.

[TheSlag]

Eh, I didn't like the "Like a monster" part. Perhaps in context it'll be better.

It will have to be handled carefully, as it could easily come off as cheesy, but if done right, it could come across spot on.

[Gianakin_]

Exactly.

[The Incredible Hulk]

sounds good so far, I need to stop reading spoilers though, I feel as if I already know too much about this movie.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

What's with the Captain America origin? Like I said, I hope this is a crock.

Me too, but with Zak Penn involved and other things i have heard, i wouldnt be surprised if this is the movie we get.

They should have just stuck with Ang's franchise starter, making a sequel that fixed the problems the first movie had.

TIH sounds crap. Hulk comes accross as a killer in that scene with the punks and soldiers, and Blonsky doesnt become Abom until the 3rd act? Poor.

[Shockdingo]

Wow, looks good so far. I'm pretty pumped for this, I'm not totally thrilled about the super soldier thing, but I wont let that kill the movie for me. Also one thing I hope doesn't happen is hulk being overtly brutal. I know they're not going to make him a cannibal, but I hope he's more 616 than ultimate in terms of attitude.

[Advanced Dark]

yes... just PLEASE avoid the self-experimentating thing and super soldier serum stuff!!! I don't want this to be just an introduction to Captain America's movie...

I don't think that'll be the intro regarding any serum. I think the Arctic part will provide a sublte teaser to that franchise. No way would Marvel allow that to be in writing in any script either. They'll just shoot it and surprise everyone.

[TheSlag]

There's a big difference between being "a killer" and dispatching with a brutality that is appropriate of such brute strength.

One swat of the insignificant pests should suffice. :cwink:

And no Abomination until the 3rd act is more than fine with me, looking at the fact that we get a pre-Abomination battle in the 2nd act at the Campus.

[Naite22]

Serum!? Super Soldier??? Serum!!!??? It's the Incredible Captain Hulk America.

BAH!!

Complete crap. Why can't they get this Sh!^ right? !
So now instead of Banners Dad experimenting on himself it’s Banner experimenting on himself. I hope this is a crock. If not I'm completely done. I have no hope for this movie or franchise.

Look, Mr. CRAP-JACK or what ever the **** you call your self! First of all, Bruce is experimenting on him self with a purpose! A purpose to simply become normal again, it's NOT the same, what the hell are you rambling about!? This story sounds ****ing awesome, especially compared to Ang Lee's piece of crap!!! There's nothing to complain about here, when thinking of how LAME it was with Bruce's dad becoming whatever the **** he did, at the end of the first Hulk movie! It looked and was completely BS! This here sounds tons better! The idea of this guy getting gradualy stronger, doesn't mean supersoldier - as in this guy will fight the HULK as a man! It just means he'll have an edge in battle. They wont let him fight HULK until this guy finaly goes power-horny and goes overboard, becoming the Abomination! He might get in the Hulks way the first time around, but as you can read, Hulk breaks every bone in this guy's body, knocking the **** out of him!

The story seems 100 times better and more solid than Ang Lee's, and a lot more cool! It'll be accepted by all those who HATED the first Hulk movie, simply because this one is a lot more action-packed, and doesn't seem to drag! The script is better, the cast is better, the director is NO DOUBT better! And in contrast with the first Hulk, this movie actually seems to deliever what the first didn't have **** of! INTENSITY! And here's me believing that the effects will be A LOT better too!

This movie sounds like a winner! It's all about how it'll be executed and edited together, cause the story and script they seem to have nailed! Dont judge so negatively before seeing this thing, pal!

[THE MR. TERRIFIC]

:hulk: 2008!! This one may actually be good!

[SpaghettiHULK]

Look, Mr. CRAP-JACK or what ever the **** you call your self! First of all, Bruce is experimenting on him self with a purpose! A purpose to simply become normal again, it's NOT the same, what the hell are you rambling about!? This story sounds ****ing awesome, especially comparred to Ang Lee's piece of crap!!! There's nothing to complain about here, when thinking of how LAME it was with Bruce's dad becoming whatever the **** he did, at the end of the first Hulk movie! It looked and was completely BS! This here sounds tons better! The idea of this guy beeing getting gradualy stronger, doesn't mean supersoldier, as in this guy will fight the HULK as a man! It just mean he'll have an edge in battle. They wont let him fight HULK until this guy finaly goes power-horny and goes overboard, becoming the Abomination! He might get in the Hulks way the first time around, but as you can read, Hulk breaks every bone in this guy's body, knocking the **** out of him!

The story seems 100 times better than Ang Lee's, and a lot more cool! It'll be accepted by all those who HATED the first Hulk movie, simply because this one is a lot more action-packed, and doesn't seem to drag! The script is better, the cast is better, the director is NO DOUBT better! And here's me believing that the effects will be A LOT better too!

This movie sounds like a winner! It's all about how it'll be executed and edited together, cause the story and scrit they seem to have nailed! Dont judge so negatively before seeing this thing, pal!


yeah! Finally here comes the Truth! :cool::cool::cool: :whatever:

[Cracker Jack]

Look, Mr. CRAP-JACK or what ever the **** you call your self!

WOW you made a funny. Did you think that up all by yourself or did mommy help. Wipe your nose little boy. :woot:

[Naite22]

^the truth is that you should all CAN it, and dont judge until you see it! What a ****ing bunch of negative fools!

[Cracker Jack]

yeah! Finally here comes the Truth! :cool::cool::cool: :whatever:

I thought we were of the same mind here Spaghtti? :huh:

[L0ngsh0t]

It's crazy how this hulk board seems to be almost split with Ang Lee lovers and haters

I think he made a solid movie that ran a little slow at times and I think most of that is due to the fact that there isn't minimal action for the first 3/4 of it, there is little to no action at all for well over half the movie. I think ang hurt the movie as much as he helped it, but I think movie averages out nicely once the hulk actually shows up in his own movie it is very solid.

Oh and the CGI was a little lame, I am hoping for a better showing this time around

[Gianakin_]

This movie sounds like a winner! It's all about how it'll be executed and edited together, cause the story and script they seem to have nailed! Dont judge so negatively before seeing this thing, pal!

Whle I agree with you in the general point you're trying to make, can't he say "Don't judge so positively before seeing this thing, pal", too?
Plus, he just said he didn't like the synopsis, he didn't go into irrelevant bashing, like the actors etc etc (that I've seen of).

PS: Ang Lee is one of the best directors of his generation IMO. Let's not compare apples to oranges. LL is great, too, but usually reaches out to a different crowd than Lee.

[TheSlag]

Look, Mr. CRAP-JACK or what ever the **** you call your self! First of all, Bruce is experimenting on him self with a purpose! A purpose to simply become normal again, it's NOT the same, what the hell are you rambling about!? This story sounds ****ing awesome, especially compared to Ang Lee's piece of crap!!! There's nothing to complain about here, when thinking of how LAME it was with Bruce's dad becoming whatever the **** he did, at the end of the first Hulk movie! It looked and was completely BS! This here sounds tons better! The idea of this guy getting gradualy stronger, doesn't mean supersoldier - as in this guy will fight the HULK as a man! It just means he'll have an edge in battle. They wont let him fight HULK until this guy finaly goes power-horny and goes overboard, becoming the Abomination! He might get in the Hulks way the first time around, but as you can read, Hulk breaks every bone in this guy's body, knocking the **** out of him!

The story seems 100 times better and more solid than Ang Lee's, and a lot more cool! It'll be accepted by all those who HATED the first Hulk movie, simply because this one is a lot more action-packed, and doesn't seem to drag! The script is better, the cast is better, the director is NO DOUBT better! And in contrast with the first Hulk, this movie actually seems to deliever what the first didn't have **** of! INTENSITY! And here's me believing that the effects will be A LOT better too!

This movie sounds like a winner! It's all about how it'll be executed and edited together, cause the story and script they seem to have nailed! Dont judge so negatively before seeing this thing, pal!

:up: and LMAO at the Mr. Crap-Jack comment... :woot:

[SpaghettiHULK]

^the truth is that you should all CAN it, and dont judge until you see it! What a ****ing bunch of negative fools!


What?!?
I just don't want him to experimentating it on himself... this made him too close to Emil Blonsky. The Hulk has to be a total curse for Bruce Banner, not something that him intentionally caused, just an unexpected and accidental consequence of his work and his unconditional, heroic nature(he saved Rick Jones, or "Harper" of the first movie, do you remember?).

[TheSlag]

It's crazy how this hulk board seems to be almost split with Ang Lee lovers and haters

I think he made a solid movie that ran a little slow at times and I think most of that is due to the fact that there isn't minimal action for the first 3/4 of it, there is little to no action at all for well over half the movie. I think ang hurt the movie as much as he helped it, but I think movie averages out nicely once the hulk actually shows up in his own movie it is very solid.

Oh and the CGI was a little lame, I am hoping for a better showing this time around

I enjoy Ang's Hulk, and even own the DVD. But that said, it came nowhere close to living up to it's potential, and some of the effects (freeze frame comic explosion) caused gag reflexes. :down:

[SpaghettiHULK]

I thought we were of the same mind here Spaghtti? :huh:



yes, I was sarcastic :whatever:

[Cracker Jack]

What?!?
I just don't want him to experimentating it on himself... this made him too close to Emil Blonsky. The Hulk has to be a total curse for Bruce Banner, not something that him intentionally caused, just an unexpected and accidental consequence of his work and his unconditional, heroic nature(he saved Rick Jones, or "Harper" of the first movie, do you remember?).

100% agree

[Advanced Dark]

I enjoy Ang's Hulk, and even own the DVD. But that said, it came nowhere close to living up to it's potential, and some of the effects (freeze frame comic explosion) caused gag reflexes. :down:

I liked that effect, and most of the split screens and swipes. A couple times he went crazy on it but overall it enhanced the film. My favorite was when the camera pulls back to reveal a comic page with animated panels from different scenes and then zooms back in on a different panel to continue the story. That was pure genius and I'd love to see that done again.

[Cracker Jack]

, he just said he didn't like the synopsis, he didn't go into irrelevant bashing, like the actors etc etc (that I've seen of).


The story is fine. The origin change, once again, is crap! Banner intentionally injecting himself with Super Serum? No he would not do this. So now this is where the Hulk came from? Or is it a combo of this and a lab explosion that caused whatever to do whatever to whatever and whatever else combined with this or that becomes that and then Wah La The Hulk is born? Please tell me this isn't true.

[TheSlag]

I liked that effect, and most of the split screens and swipes. A couple times he went crazy on it but overall it enhanced the film. My favorite was when the camera pulls back to reveal a comic page with animated panels from different scenes and then zooms back in on a different panel to continue the story. That was pure genius and I'd love to see that done again.


We'll have to agree to disagree then. That SUCKED major Ass IMO. It took me out of the movie completely, especially the freeze frame explosion/comic page. :down: *tries not to vomit and remembering*

And the split screens took away from connecting with the moment and the actors.

IF I want a comic book, I will let my self escape in the unbelievable art and story in some of the finer ones out there (nothing like the mind to enhance a scene 10000 times better than a movie can), but I DO NOT WANT a Comic book approach in my Movie.

[L0ngsh0t]

I liked that effect, and most of the split screens and swipes. A couple times he went crazy on it but overall it enhanced the film. My favorite was when the camera pulls back to reveal a comic page with animated panels from different scenes and then zooms back in on a different panel to continue the story. That was pure genius and I'd love to see that done again.


I thought it was cool too, I think possibly the best transitioning in recent movies

[Gianakin_]

The story is fine. The origin change, once again, is crap! Banner intentionally injecting himself with Super Serum? No he would not do this. So now this is where the Hulk came from? Or is it a combo of this and a lab explosion that caused whatever to do whatever to whatever and whatever else combined with this or that becomes that and then Wah La The Hulk is born? Please tell me this isn't true.

That's what I said earlier, the synopsis doesn't make it clear, it could be the combination you mentioned, just like in Ang's Hulk.

[Cracker Jack]

That's what I said earlier, the synopsis doesn't make it clear, it could be the combination you mentioned, just like in Ang's Hulk.

Thanks for the back up BTW.

It does kinda make it clear in as much that Blonsky doesn't become the ABOMINATION until he forces Sterns to inject him with Bruce’s DNA. So from this we can gather that something else happens to Banner, after he injects himself with the soldier serum to cause him to turn into the Hulk. So yeah, it's similar to Angs.

[Octoberist]

It's crazy how this hulk board seems to be almost split with Ang Lee lovers and haters

I think he made a solid movie that ran a little slow at times and I think most of that is due to the fact that there isn't minimal action for the first 3/4 of it, there is little to no action at all for well over half the movie. I think ang hurt the movie as much as he helped it, but I think movie averages out nicely once the hulk actually shows up in his own movie it is very solid.

Oh and the CGI was a little lame, I am hoping for a better showing this time around

I personally didn't like Ang Lee's Hulk, but I won't discredit him. Ang is a very talented director who just misguided.

The first Hulk, to me, is an admirable failure. It's a movie where I got the premise and the intention, but it didn't hit the right chord with me.

However, I didn't think it was necessary for Marvel to 'diss' Ang Lee's Hulk or even have a reboot for that matter. Speaking of bashing, it's not professional on Marvel's part. If they did that, why not reboot 'Daredevil' and bash Mark Steven Johnson then? It's weird.

But Incredible Hulk sounds very interesting. I'll keep an open mind.

[Gianakin_]

Thanks for the back up BTW.

Anytime. I can see very well why you wouldn't like this.


It does kinda make it clear in as much that Blonsky doesn't become the ABOMINATION until he forces Sterns to inject him with Bruce’s DNA. So from this we can gather that something else happens to Banner, after he injects himself with the soldier serum to cause him to turn into the Hulk. So yeah, it's similar to Angs.

The part that makes me second-guess is this: "He injected himself with the serum and from that point everything went to hell", which could mean that he took it and hulked out, but could also imply that a sequence of effect took place that lead him to become the Hulk.
I will say it again, though, if Ross was talking about Bruce's father (like in Lee's film), I don't think you have anything to worry about.

[Gianakin_]

I personally didn't like Ang Lee's Hulk, but I won't discredit him. Ang is a very talented director who just misguided.

The first Hulk, to me, is an admirable failure. It's a movie where I got the premise and the intention, but it didn't hit the right chord with me.

However, I didn't think it was necessary for Marvel to 'diss' Ang Lee's Hulk or even have a reboot for that matter. Speaking of bashing, it's not professional on Marvel's part. If they did that, why not reboot 'Daredevil' and bash Mark Steven Johnson then? It's weird.

But Incredible Hulk sounds very interesting. I'll keep an open mind.

Yes, yes! 100% agreed.

[TheSlag]

Marvel "should" reboot DD. And should "bash" MSJ... if for nothing more than the DAMN playground fight scene. :down: :cwink:

[Cracker Jack]

if Ross was talking about Bruce's father (like in Lee's film), I don't think you have anything to worry about.

Did I miss something? Was this implied? If so then yes there is hope.

[Compi716]

I think this movie sounds great, and exactly what a Hulk movie should be. Yes, the origin is altered, but it ties can tie in to Captain America (and thus the Avengers).

By the way, Banner trying to kill himself: AMAZING.

[Gianakin_]

Cracker Jack: No, it wasn't implied. I assumed this, but it's more hope than something solid. It came to mind only because Bruce's father did the exact same thing in Ang's flick. And things DID go to hell after that...

[TheSlag]

By the way, Banner trying to kill himself: AMAZING.

Agreed. Totally. :up:

[SpaghettiHULK]

F**k the ties with CAP! Is The Incredible Hulk just a secondary character? He has his own *super* elements, gamma rays and stuff like that... don't need any dumb super soldier serum or anything. Man-Thing is created by an iniection of the Super Soldier Serum, but he's another character(portrayed in another crappy movie).

[SpaghettiHULK]

Cracker Jack: No, it wasn't implied. I assumpted this, but it's more hope than something solid. It came to mind only because Bruce's father did the exact same thing in Ang's flick. And things DID go to hell after that...

yes, but he was his moody/greedy/nutty father! Not him!

[Cracker Jack]

Cracker Jack: No, it wasn't implied. I assumpted this, but it's more hope than something solid. It came to mind only because Bruce's father did the exact same thing in Ang's flick. And things DID go to hell after that...

Hmmmm. Burce is doing exactely what his dad did in Angs movie. I just don't understand why they feel the need to have him part of a Super Serum experiment and inject himself. I guess I'm gona be waiting for a long time to see a Hulk movie done right.

[Gianakin_]

yes, but he was his moody/greedy/nutty father! Not him!

Yes, that's what I was saying to him: If in the synopsis Ross means that it was his father who did the experiments, a nod to Ang's Hulk, then it'll be ok for those of you who don't like this origin. If it's not, well, you have a negative point in this film for you.

[Cracker Jack]

F**k the ties with CAP! Is The Incredible Hulk just a secondary character? He has his own *super* elements, gamma rays and stuff like that... don't need any dumb super soldier serum or anything. Man-Thing is created by an iniection of the Super Soldier Serum, but he's another character(portrayed in another crappy movie).

Preach on brother Preach on.

[Gianakin_]

Hmmmm. Burce is doing exactely what his dad did in Angs movie. I just don't understand why they feel the need to have him part of a Super Serum experiment and inject himself. I guess I'm gona be waiting for a long time to see a Hulk movie done right.

I get a feeling that I didn't phrase my point well here, let me make sure: I said that I hope the synopsis means Robert Banner, not Bruce, who did self-experiments. You understood that was what I was saying, right?

[Juggernaut33]

Hmmmm. Burce is doing exactely what his dad did in Angs movie. I just don't understand why they feel the need to have him part of a Super Serum experiment and inject himself. I guess I'm gona be waiting for a long time to see a Hulk movie done right.

Pfff, all that just for a small detail. What would be your perfect origin story? The guy takes a gamma bomb in the face and turns into a big green monster. Gimme a break!:whatever:

[YJ1]

I just don't want him to experimentating it on himself... this made him too close to Emil Blonsky. The Hulk has to be a total curse for Bruce Banner, not something that him intentionally caused, just an unexpected and accidental consequence of his work and his unconditional, heroic nature(he saved Rick Jones, or "Harper" of the first movie, do you remember?).

Bruce was nothing but a moody victim in the first film. There was little to nothing heroic about him. That was one of Ang's huge flaws and part of why general audiences hated the movie. Changing the origin from his father's experimentation to his own makes for deeper pathos and emotional development. It's masterful. Without retelling and re-shooting an origin, how else would they pull that off? I can't wait for this movie!

There is good news for fans of the Big Green Guy this time around, Edward Norton definitely gets it. His draft of The Incredible Hulk dated 5-13-07 is an incredible ride and will attract both fans and non-fans alike.

It’s two (make that 100) steps ahead of the 2003 edition.

That's GREAT to hear!

[James T. Kirk]

Is this movie a reboot or not? Are we gonna see the origin of the Hulk at all? Or are they just gonna subtly refer to it in dialogue?

[Cracker Jack]

Pfff, all that just for a small detail. What would be your perfect origin story? The guy takes a gamma bomb in the face and turns into a big green monster. Gimme a break!:whatever:


A small detail. LOL. Sorry if you don't like one of the most classic origins in comic hystory.

[SpaghettiHULK]

Bruce was nothing but a moody victim in the first film.


a victim that saves a life sacrificing himself...
Not a scientist who test on himself a serum... this is just what Emil Blonsky should do.

[Juggernaut33]

A small detail. LOL. Sorry if you don't like one of the most classic origins in comic hystory.

No, it is a lame origin story. Stan Lee admitted it. "The guy has to turn into the Hulk well let's just put a gamma bomb. Now I wouldn't know the difference between a microwave and a gamma bomb...but it sounded quite good". Nowadays, you can't get away with that.

Plus, is it such a crime to trick the origin story a bit to make it more interesting and more grounded?

[Gianakin_]

No, it is a lame origin story. Stan Lee admitted it. "The guy has to turn into the Hulk well let's just put a gamma bomb. Now I wouldn't know the difference between a microwave and a gamma bomb...but it sounded quite good". Nowadays, you can't get away with that.

Plus, is it such a crime to trick the origin story a bit to make it more interesting and more grounded?

What he argues, I think, is that the classic origin says he accidentally became the Hulk, like an external curse. In this one, he's like Nick Nolte in Ang's Hulk, he does it on himself.
Which is an interesting argument IMO.

But I agree that most of the Marvel origins of old are very silly. Classic, but silly, IMO (or "silly, but classic", if you want to see the glass as half-full).

[Octoberist]

maybe it was just me, or I didn't see anything about the Leader in the review.

[Gianakin_]

He's Dr. Sterns aka Mr. Blue. He essentially manipulates Brue. He's just not the leader yet. Brilliant set up, he is basically but effectively fleshed out in this one, so that he'll be ready for a possible no2.

Let me add here, that while the whole "Only Bruce can stop Blonsky" thing may seem a bit un-Hulk, I think it gives an epic feeling to the final battle. Like Sly Stalone said in Demolition Man: "Send a maniac to catch a maniac", plus it gives Bruce the ultimate sacrifice. It seems like a part-2-of-superhero-films cliche, but the Hulk is really a curse, not a choice.

[Figs]

Out of the two sites that posted the spoilers in the article on the front page I read the second choice, not Latino Reviews. I don't know if they differ but a lot of people seem to be jumping to conclusions about the whole serum thing. In the spoilers I read, it has nothing to do with his original creation/incident. It's Banner(who is a scientist, remember?) looking for a serum that can be a "Cure".

They never said he became the Hulk because of a serum or something in a vial, I find it funny how some fanboys don't fully read but skim things then jump to conclusions. It actually makes perfect sense for him to be looking/making a cure. Unless I misread something I don't recall it anywhere saying he originally turned into the Hulk because of a "potion" or anything like that.

[Cracker Jack]

Nowadays, you can't get away with that.


Say who? You? I think it could be done and would blow people away.

Plus, is it such a crime to trick the origin story a bit to make it more interesting and more grounded?

Grounded in what? No, it no crime to "trick" the origin a bit but this is not a bit. This is contray to who and what Banner and the Hulk are.

[Gianakin_]

Out of the two sites that posted the spoilers in the article on the front page I read the second choice, not Latino Reviews. I don't know if they differ but a lot of people seem to be jumping to conclusions about the whole serum thing. In the spoilers I read, it has nothing to do with his original creation/incident. It's Banner(who is a scientist, remember?) looking for a serum that can be a "Cure".

They never said he became the Hulk because of a serum or something in a vial, I find it funny how some fanboys don't fully read but skim things then jump to conclusions. It actually makes perfect sense for him to be looking/making a cure. Unless I misread something I don't recall it anywhere saying he originally turned into the Hulk because of a "potion" or anything like that.

No, if you read the 1st post of this thread (the Latino Review article), it says about a super soldier serum in a project that Banner (father? son?) participated in and took it himself.

[TheSlag]

Out of the two sites that posted the spoilers in the article on the front page I read the second choice, not Latino Reviews. I don't know if they differ but a lot of people seem to be jumping to conclusions about the whole serum thing. In the spoilers I read, it has nothing to do with his original creation/incident. It's Banner(who is a scientist, remember?) looking for a serum that can be a "Cure".

They never said he became the Hulk because of a serum or something in a vial, I find it funny how some fanboys don't fully read but skim things then jump to conclusions. It actually makes perfect sense for him to be looking/making a cure. Unless I misread something I don't recall it anywhere saying he originally turned into the Hulk because of a "potion" or anything like that.

From Latino Review

"Ross explains that Banner was part of an early experiment to create super soldier serum, but the funding was running out. In the eleventh hour of the project, Banner was so certain of his research that he tested it on himself – that’s when everything went to hell."

Now, whether Ross is telling the truth or not, or simply trying to lure Blonsky in, is another point that could be argued. I think that "will" be the storyline, and I'm OK with that if it is.

[Advanced Dark]

So perhaps the serum was something that the gamma triggered or combined with to create what he becomes. The first film almost suggested he was a latent mutant.

[Figs]

From Latino Review

"Ross explains that Banner was part of an early experiment to create super soldier serum, but the funding was running out. In the eleventh hour of the project, Banner was so certain of his research that he tested it on himself – that’s when everything went to hell."

Now, whether Ross is telling the truth or not, or simply trying to lure Blonsky in, is another point that could be argued. I think that "will" be the storyline, and I'm OK with that if it is.


No, if you read the 1st post of this thread (the Latino Review article), it says about a super soldier serum in a project that Banner (father? son?) participated in and took it himself.


Like I said, I didn't bother to read Latino Review's review.....mainly because it's Latino Review lol. I would take some of the specific details with a grain of salt. They have said that Norton on set is always doing small rewrites as he goes. I doubt he would let "his" final script out.

[TheSlag]

Like I said, I only didn't bother to read Latino Review's review.....mainly because it's Latino Review lol. I would take some of the specific details with a grain of salt. They have said that Norton on set is always doing small rewrites as he goes. I doubt he would let "his" final script out.

Obviously, everything could/can change from an early version of the script to the shooting script.

[Gianakin_]

Like I said, I didn't bother to read Latino Review's review.....mainly because it's Latino Review lol. I would take some of the specific details with a grain of salt. They have said that Norton on set is always doing small rewrites as he goes. I doubt he would let "his" final script out.

Of course, it is, after all, the 1st Norton draft. But I doubt thins will change a lot. I honestly can't tell right now.

[Gianakin_]

So perhaps the serum was something that the gamma triggered or combined with to create what he becomes. The first film almost suggested he was a latent mutant.

That seems to be the hot topic, but if you take the synopsis literally and assume there's no other info, then he injects himself and becomes the Hulk. I don't think this is it, though. Nothing solid, just a gut feeling.

[Advanced Dark]

This is Zak Penn's script modified by Ed Norton and I seriously doubt he structually changed a thing because the same storyline seems to be intact. I think Marvel was afraid of the negativity associated w/Zak so they had Norton kind of seemingly dilute it by adding his name to it. As much as some of you don't like Zak...it's pretty obvious he did write a great script.

[Advanced Dark]

That seems to be the hot topic, but if you take the synopsis literally and assume there's no other info, then he injects himself and becomes the Hulk. I don't think this is it, though. Nothing solid, just a gut feeling.

The synopsis on the official site says:

"...hunting down the cure to the gamma radiation that poisoned his cells and unleashes the unbridled rage within him..."

[Cracker Jack]

Now, whether Ross is telling the truth or not, or simply trying to lure Blonsky in, is another point that could be argued. I think that "will" be the storyline, and I'm OK with that if it is.


I'd be ok if he were lying, trying to lure Blonsky into taking the serum

[Gianakin_]

Ross explains that Banner was part of an early experiment to create super soldier serum, but the funding was running out. In the eleventh hour of the project, Banner was so certain of his research that he tested it on himself – that’s when everything went to hell. Ross tells Blonsky that Banner is a scientist, not a soldier, and that he doesn’t understand that the power he holds belongs to the U.S. and should be used as a weapon.

This is the part I referred to. The official site doesn't contradict what this synopsis says, but the particular part, if taken literally does change his origin.

[TheSlag]

I'd be ok if he were lying, trying to lure Blonsky into taking the serum

I agree. I think it would be a better storyline, but regardless, if it is the real storyline, I can deal with it. It kinda gives him an almost Connors (Lizard) type origin, (with one big obvious big diff... arm), but that is one of the best origin storylines IMO, and could be done.

[ultimatefan]

Well, this is a first draft, and Í know not to be too judgemental at those. Some of it reads like Bruce Jones Hulk, which I know will infuriate some, but the notion of trying to use Bruce´s DNA to fabricate a "human weapon" is not inconsistent with canon. There has been constantly the idea that Hulk was the "perfect weapon" if you could control him.

Hulk in Brazil? Hey, drop by here in Florianópolis, dude! We have 42 beautiful beaches and gorgeous babes, hehe...

[CaptainStacy]

Sounds good to me! :hulk: :up:

[Mauser9910]

I haven't read everything but the part on his blood drop poisonning a woman through soda is quite dumb. :S

[TheSlag]

I haven't read everything but the part on his blood drop poisonning a woman through soda is quite dumb. :S

Eh... it's a plot ploy that serves a purpose to the script, and I think, will have a foreshadowing effect on the outcome of the 3rd act (I REALLY HOPE SO IF it plays out as I expect)... so... no biggie to me. Kinda like it, actually

[Cracker Jack]

I like this one better
It's from an IESB article :

There is good news for fans of the Big Green Guy this time around, Edward Norton definitely gets it. His draft of The Incredible Hulk dated 5-13-07 is an incredible ride and will attract both fans and non-fans alike.

It’s two (make that 100) steps ahead of the 2003 edition. There’s no waiting around ‘til 40 minutes in to have the big green guy make an appearance, this time around we got him in the opening sequence and it’s harsh! The Hulk is the star of this film and makes quite a few appearances throughout.

SPOILERS BEGIN

Story details are as follows:

Character roll call: Bruce Banner, Blonsky (crazed soldier turned Abomination), General Ross, Betty Ross, Dr. Samson (Betty’s live-in boyfriend), Dr. Sterns (a cellular biologist trying to help Bruce) and Major Kathleen ‘Kat’ Sparr (Ross’s right-hand woman).

In the opening sequence, we find a man (unknown to the reader but it’s presumably Bruce Banner) walking in snow, surrounded by snow. He slouches to his knees, gun in his hand, attempting suicide. The trigger is pulled but a flash of green stops the bullet flat and it falls to the ground.

Fast forward 5 years. Banner is in Brazil working at a bottling plant staying under the radar in hiding. Living a quite, invisible, life Banner is searching for exotic flowers that he believes will help destroy the gamma radiation in his blood to end the struggle he’s lived with for the past 5 years. He tries desperately to always remain calm through the use of mediation and a pulse monitor.

Banner has a funny little run in with some Brazilian heavies who are harassing a lady co-worker. Due to Banner’s poor handle on the Portuguese language his threats aren’t threats at all, they are actually funny lines that cause the heavies to pull a WTF? Luckily Bruce stays calm enough to make it through.

While working, Bruce is cut and a drop of his blood falls into one of the bottles that gets shipped out for sale. A woman in Minnesota drinks the juice and almost dies. The gamma is detected in her blood and this alerts the military, General Ross in particular and Cabot. They organize a team, headed up by Blonsky, to find where the drink was bottled and to apprehend a white man in the area.

The team finds Banner in bed, but he is smarter and quicker than they think and he leads them on a chase around town. Coincidentally the same heavies who had a run-in with Banner earlier are out drinking and join in the chase to beat Banner’s ass. It doesn’t take long for the Hulk to rear his ugly greenish grey head and basically crush everything and everyone (literally) in his path. He escapes to smash another day. Banner heads back to the States to find help through Dr. Sterns, striving to put right what once went wrong, within himself and with Betty.

Upon arriving in the States, Banner heads to his old stomping grounds, back to where it all began, to get his data and find Dr. Sterns. Instead, he finds Betty. He quickly leaves out the back door of a restaurant when she sees him, but she chases after him until he agrees to come over to her house to talk.

After talking with Betty and her live-in boyfriend Samson, Betty is driving Bruce to the bus station, on the way he wants to stop back at the university. Big mistake, the military and General Ross finds him and a big battle ensues. Betty is injured (Hulk saves her) and they finds themselves on the run together.

In the meantime, Blonsky was crushed by Hulk, but due to the super soldier wacky sauce he’s been shooting up he heals and is stronger than ever. Ross shoots him up a little more to make sure he’s strong enough for another round with Hulk.

They head to New York to find Dr. Sterns. He has developed an “anti-dote” of sorts for Bruce that works to bring him back to normal during a “flare up.” Unfortunately, Ross and his men catch up with them and Bruce and Betty are taken into custody. Blonsky has his own ulterior motives and makes Sterns shoot him up with the super gamma serum he’s developed from Bruce’s blood. This turns him into Abomination and he begins to destroy the city.

The only one who can stop him is Bruce…Ross agrees. Monster on Monster action ensues!

It's much better than Bruce injecting himself or the Super Serum being any part of The Hulks makeup.

[TheSlag]

Some other interesting aspects I really like:

"Bruce says he hurt Betty and can never forgive himself for what happened, even though he would never let it happen again. Samson is still suspicious."

*adds to the feeling of despair to me... He hurts, or has hurt, or could hurt the one he loves the most. Potential for greatness especially with Liv Tyler. :cwink:


"Bruce and Betty travel to see Dr. Blue, laying low in cheap motels and rekindling their love. Betty pawns her mother’s necklace for cash – Bruce feels bad but Betty says they’ll get it back someday."

*again... like any good story... it's all about a girl. OK.. bad example thinking of Kirsten as MJ in SPider-Man :eek: but... I like that it shows that hopefully, this film will have heart. Hoping that Norton and Tyler have chemistry together... Think they will.

[Gianakin_]

I like this one better
It's from an IESB article :

It's much better than Bruce injecting himself or the Super Serum being any part of The Hulks makeup.

It just omits the origin that Ross narrates to Blonsky. But if the LR article had it, then something like that must exist. That IESB left it out (or never got it) doesn't mean anything, yet.

[Golgo-13]

This is Zak Penn's script modified by Ed Norton and I seriously doubt he structually changed a thing because the same storyline seems to be intact. I think Marvel was afraid of the negativity associated w/Zak so they had Norton kind of seemingly dilute it by adding his name to it. As much as some of you don't like Zak...it's pretty obvious he did write a great script.

I think you mean his outline was great; Norton, to my understanding, did the screenplay.

This is the part I referred to. The official site doesn't contradict what this synopsis says, but the particular part, if taken literally does change his origin.

I'm concerned about this. It would mean no gamma bomb.:csad:

[FrostBite]

First of all, I thought it was FANTASTIC. Second of all, if no one has noticed... everyone who hated Ang's version is going to love this, anyone who loved Ang's version will hate it end of story. I think we all should have seen that coming.

Now as for the testing part that a few of you are freaking out over.

"Ross explains that Banner was part of an early experiment to create super soldier serum, but the funding was running out. In the eleventh hour of the project, Banner was so certain of his research that he tested it on himself – that’s when everything went to hell."

It personally seems to me as he is talking about Bruce's father. Think about it, he was working for the military in Ang's, they wouldn't let him test on anyone, time was running out, he was running out of funds, so he injected himself with it. Not to mention it was most definately something to create a super-soldier, as it had to do with regeneration, and strength. They may have just added the term "Super-soldier" as a term to tie it with Captain America, which I remember hearing rumors something would relate to him in this movie anyway. To me it's much better than him just showing up out of no where or seeing him on the news in some dopey weird cameo.

Plus we already know they plan to use Hulk in the Avengers movie.

Sounds to me as if its a vague sequal to the last. I mean, come on, Brazil? His father testing it on himself? Very reminisent. Although I could be wrong and it is just Banner testing on himself then so be it.

[Cracker Jack]

It just omits the origin that Ross narrates to Blonsky. But if the LR article had it, then something like that must exist. That IESB left it out (or never got it) doesn't mean anything, yet.

Yes I know this. That leaves hope that Banner injecting himself ith super serum never happers. Besides, wouldn't be better if the Army developed a super serum to fight the Hulk? It says "Blonsky was crushed by Hulk, but due to the super soldier wacky sauce he’s been shooting up." He is a soldier under Ross. One of the Hulk busters. It would make sense if the Army developed something like this to combat the Hulk.

[Cracker Jack]

everyone who hated Ang's version is going to love this, anyone who loved Ang's version will hate it end of story. I think we all should have seen that coming.



Ah, I'm not particularly fond of Angs movie.

[Golgo-13]

Anyone notice that Abomination doesn't show up until THE END of the movie..?

[FrostBite]

Ah, I'm not particularly fond of Angs movie.

I know I was thinking about you as I wrote it even Cracker Jack :cwink: (Don't you feel special now!?)

But I just meant it as a generalization. Not something that everyone was going to fall under. There are of course people who won't be fond of either or, contrastly will love both.

[Hugebear]

I like most of it. This movie could have easily been a sequel to Ang Lee's Hulk with minor changes. Just read it like a sequel.

Fast forward 5 years. Banner is in Brazil working at a bottling plant staying under the radar in hiding. Living a quite, invisible, life Banner is searching for exotic flowers that he believes will help destroy the gamma radiation in his blood to end the struggle he’s lived with for the past 5 years. He tries desperately to always remain calm through the use of mediation and a pulse monitor.

Banner has a funny little run in with some Brazilian heavies who are harassing a lady co-worker. Due to Banner’s poor handle on the Portuguese language his threats aren’t threats at all, they are actually funny lines that cause the heavies to pull a WTF? Luckily Bruce stays calm enough to make it through.

While working, Bruce is cut and a drop of his blood falls into one of the bottles that gets shipped out for sale. A woman in Minnesota drinks the juice and almost dies. The gamma is detected in her blood and this alerts the military, General Ross in particular and Cabot. They organize a team, headed up by Blonsky, to find where the drink was bottled and to apprehend a white man in the area.

The team finds Banner in bed, but he is smarter and quicker than they think and he leads them on a chase around town. Coincidentally the same heavies who had a run-in with Banner earlier are out drinking and join in the chase to beat Banner’s ass. It doesn’t take long for the Hulk to rear his ugly greenish grey head and basically crush everything and everyone (literally) in his path. He escapes to smash another day. Banner heads back to the States to find help through Dr. Sterns, striving to put right what once went wrong, within himself and with Betty.

Upon arriving in the States, Banner heads to his old stomping grounds, back to where it all began, to get his data and find Dr. Sterns. Instead, he finds Betty. He quickly leaves out the back door of a restaurant when she sees him, but she chases after him until he agrees to come over to her house to talk.

After talking with Betty and her live-in boyfriend Samson, Betty is driving Bruce to the bus station, on the way he wants to stop back at the university. Big mistake, the military and General Ross finds him and a big battle ensues. Betty is injured (Hulk saves her) and they finds themselves on the run together.

In the meantime, Blonsky was crushed by Hulk, but due to the super soldier wacky sauce he’s been shooting up he heals and is stronger than ever. Ross shoots him up a little more to make sure he’s strong enough for another round with Hulk.

They head to New York to find Dr. Sterns. He has developed an “anti-dote” of sorts for Bruce that works to bring him back to normal during a “flare up.” Unfortunately, Ross and his men catch up with them and Bruce and Betty are taken into custody. Blonsky has his own ulterior motives and makes Sterns shoot him up with the super gamma serum he’s developed from Bruce’s blood. This turns him into Abomination and he begins to destroy the city.

The only one who can stop him is Bruce…Ross agrees. Monster on Monster action ensues!

[FrostBite]

Anyone notice that Abomination doesn't show up until THE END of the movie..?

Yes but I am quite fond of the build up. A steroid enduced Blonsky slowly turning power hungry.

Plus we all knew the actor was going to want screen time as stupid as it may be, but this is definately better than him changing back and fourth.

[Cracker Jack]

I know I was thinking about you as I wrote it even Cracker Jack :cwink: (Don't you feel special now!?)


No more than I did 5 minutes ago :oldrazz: :woot: :cwink:

[He-Man]

Anyone notice that Abomination doesn't show up until THE END of the movie..?

Not really suprised by this. Didn't figure they would hire Roth just to show up for a scene or 2 and then have a CGI Abomiation the rest of the movie.

[SpaghettiHULK]

First of all, I thought it was FANTASTIC. Second of all, if no one has noticed... everyone who hated Ang's version is going to love this, anyone who loved Ang's version will hate it end of story. I think we all should have seen that coming.

Now as for the testing part that a few of you are freaking out over.

"Ross explains that Banner was part of an early experiment to create super soldier serum, but the funding was running out. In the eleventh hour of the project, Banner was so certain of his research that he tested it on himself – that’s when everything went to hell."

It personally seems to me as he is talking about Bruce's father. Think about it, he was working for the military in Ang's, they wouldn't let him test on anyone, time was running out, he was running out of funds, so he injected himself with it. Not to mention it was most definately something to create a super-soldier, as it had to do with regeneration, and strength. They may have just added the term "Super-soldier" as a term to tie it with Captain America, which I remember hearing rumors something would relate to him in this movie anyway. To me it's much better than him just showing up out of no where or seeing him on the news in some dopey weird cameo.

Plus we already know they plan to use Hulk in the Avengers movie.

Sounds to me as if its a vague sequal to the last. I mean, come on, Brazil? His father testing it on himself? Very reminisent. Although I could be wrong and it is just Banner testing on himself then so be it.

I really Hope you're right!

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

First of all, I thought it was FANTASTIC. Second of all, if no one has noticed... everyone who hated Ang's version is going to love this, anyone who loved Ang's version will hate it end of story. I think we all should have seen that coming.

Now as for the testing part that a few of you are freaking out over.

"Ross explains that Banner was part of an early experiment to create super soldier serum, but the funding was running out. In the eleventh hour of the project, Banner was so certain of his research that he tested it on himself – that’s when everything went to hell."

It personally seems to me as he is talking about Bruce's father. Think about it, he was working for the military in Ang's, they wouldn't let him test on anyone, time was running out, he was running out of funds, so he injected himself with it. Not to mention it was most definately something to create a super-soldier, as it had to do with regeneration, and strength. They may have just added the term "Super-soldier" as a term to tie it with Captain America, which I remember hearing rumors something would relate to him in this movie anyway. To me it's much better than him just showing up out of no where or seeing him on the news in some dopey weird cameo.

Plus we already know they plan to use Hulk in the Avengers movie.

Sounds to me as if its a vague sequal to the last. I mean, come on, Brazil? His father testing it on himself? Very reminisent. Although I could be wrong and it is just Banner testing on himself then so be it.

NO, David Banner's syrum at the start of Hulk ONLY had to do with regeneration, he mentions nothing of strength.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Anyone notice that Abomination doesn't show up until THE END of the movie..?

I know, i'm not surprised, but am dissapointed at the same time, another thing that dissapointed me about these spoilers.

[Figs]

The synopsis on the official site says:


Quote:
"...hunting down the cure to the gamma radiation that poisoned his cells and unleashes the unbridled rage within him..."


From what AD posted I don't think you have to worry about no gamma bomb.

[FrostBite]

NO, David Banner's syrum at the start of Hulk ONLY had to do with regeneration, he mentions nothing of strength.

Okay! Yeesh! No need to pull the caps on me! :oldrazz: I infered that from his lust for the Hulk strength, let alone the "child of my mind" comment. :huh:

Ah well, I guess I was wrong on that count, it was just a little infering on my part.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Okay! Yeesh! No need to pull the caps on me! :oldrazz: I infered that from his lust for the Hulk strength, let alone the "child of my mind" comment. :huh:

Ah well, I guess I was wrong on that count, it was just a little infering on my part.

Ha ha, NO once again:cwink: . David only wanted Hulk's strength once he saw it for himself, as he wanted to be able to control the people who had thought he was wrong.

But in the actual opening of the movie, David only talks about soldiers who can regenerate once injured, but are normal otherwise.

[Gianakin_]

The synopsis on the official site says:


Quote:
"...hunting down the cure to the gamma radiation that poisoned his cells and unleashes the unbridled rage within him..."


From what AD posted I don't think you have to worry about no gamma bomb.

Good point. We'll see.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The synopsis on the official site says:


Quote:
"...hunting down the cure to the gamma radiation that poisoned his cells and unleashes the unbridled rage within him..."


From what AD posted I don't think you have to worry about no gamma bomb.

This could have changed though, lets hope not.

[FrostBite]

Ha ha, NO once again:cwink: . David only wanted Hulk's strength once he saw it for himself, as he wanted to be able to control the people who had thought he was wrong.

But in the actual opening of the movie, David only talks about soldiers who can regenerate once injured, but are normal otherwise.

Still Super Soldiers :oldrazz: Haha.

[Sava]

lol.... for everyone that b**ched about Ang's movie not being like the comics..is this?

[Figs]

This could have changed though, lets hope not.


It very well could have but I personally can't even fathom lol, why they would need to make that change. Looking for a cure in the form of a drinkable or shootable liquid I have no problem with, changing the origin for really no good reason just doesn't make sense.

Weren't they saying multiple times in the past for this film that it's not going to be an origin film, so most likely they might just reference his origin rather than show it again. If that's the case, they should just leave the reference at the gamma radiation/bomb.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Still Super Soldiers :oldrazz: Haha.

Of course they are, but not super-strength soldiers :cwink: . Plus they never actually did it :cwink: .

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It very well could have but I personally can't even fathom lol, why they would need to make that change. Looking for a cure in the form of a drinkable or shootable liquid I have no problem with, changing the origin for really no good reason just doesn't make sense.

Weren't they saying multiple times in the past for this film that it's not going to be an origin film, so most likely they might just reference his origin rather than show it again. If that's the case, they should just leave the reference at the gamma radiation/bomb.

Agreed 100%, i think they said the origin would be suggested, i think Bruce having a nightmare about a gamma bomb explosion would be sufficent enough.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

lol.... for everyone that b**ched about Ang's movie not being like the comics..is this?

Well said Sava!

[jadejaws]

Say who? You? I think it could be done and would blow people away.



Grounded in what? No, it no crime to "trick" the origin a bit but this is not a bit. This is contray to who and what Banner and the Hulk are.


I love it when people say, "You can't get away with the gamma bomb nowadays" when we're all celebrating a movie about a 9 ft green monster. We can accept that a dude can double his size and change color, but a bomb blowing up...oh hell no.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I love it when people say, "You can't get away with the gamme bomb nowadays" when we're all celebrating a movie about a 9 ft green monster. We can accept that a dude can double his size and change color, but a bomb blowing up...oh hell no.

LOL well put.

[Sava]

Well said Sava!

i wanna know what CJ thinks..and also, everyone else that b**ched about Ang's movie, this script is so far away from the comics, its not even funny. :whatever:

[FrostBite]

i wanna know what CJ thinks..and also, everyone else that b**ched about Ang's movie, this script is so far away from the comics, its not even funny. :whatever:

I b**ched but not because it wasn't like the comics...does this also make me a hypocrite? :(

[Cracker Jack]

I love it when people say, "You can't get away with the gamme bomb nowadays" when we're all celebrating a movie about a 9 ft green monster. We can accept that a dude can double his size and change color, but a bomb blowing up...oh hell no.

Yeah, that gets me too. "That wourldn't work", "No one would believe it." HAHAHHAHAHAHAH Ok if you say so.

[Cracker Jack]

i wanna know what CJ thinks..and also, everyone else that b**ched about Ang's movie, this script is so far away from the comics, its not even funny. :whatever:


SAVA haven't you read this thread?

Serum!? Super Soldier??? Serum!!!??? It's the Incredible Captain Hulk America.

BAH!!

Complete crap. Why can't they get this Sh!^ right? !
So now instead of Banners Dad experimenting on himself it’s Banner experimenting on himself. I hope this is a crock. If not I'm completely done. I have no hope for this movie or franchise.

[Sava]

I b**ched but not because it wasn't like the comics...does this also make me a hypocrite? :(
thats ok, alot of people said that Ang's movie sucked cause it was nothing like the comics, this one is going to be more like the comics..blah blah blah

[Cracker Jack]

Agreed 100%, i think they said the origin would be suggested, i think Bruce having a nightmare about a gamma bomb explosion would be sufficent enough.

Why can't they just do this? This is what I thought they'd do.

[Gianakin_]

thats ok, alot of people said that Ang's movie sucked cause it was nothing like the comics, this one is going to be more like the comics..blah blah blah

This goes for every movie, it can never be completely faithful. These people will never learn.

[Sava]

SAVA haven't you read this thread?

no...

edit:..saw your quote, lol, dont give up just yet

[Cracker Jack]

no...

edit:..saw your quote, lol, dont give up just yet

I'm pretty much there already Sava. :csad:

[Excel]

Wow that sounds superb. Iron Man will be the weakest of the 3, and that lokos fantastic, so we are in for a helluva summer 2008 :up:

[Sarg92]

The script sounds ok.

The arctic scene sounds awesome! I think it is a reference to Frankinstein, where the creature goes out into the arctic to die. Bruce goes out to die but Hulk stops him from comitting suicide. (I'm sure the suicide bit is pleasing Sava.)

The super soldier serum part doesn't sound good. Sure they might wanna make tie-ins with other Marvel characters but messing up the origin is not the right way to go. Didn't Captain America turn up in WWII? So I am hoping it was Bruce's father who made the serum.

A steriod/serum pumped up Blonsky vs Hulk, I'd like to see what that would look like. And didn't EB say that Abomination was going to battle Hulk twice? First time Hulk gets beaten, the second Hulk wins?

The Samson and Stern parts sound good aswell.

I wanna see how this all plays out.

[Bannerless Hulk]

Well, the IESB review makes infinitely more sense than the LR article, but before delving into that, I have to say I love how this topic brings out so many Hulk fans who apparently were in hiding all of this time. People crawling out from everywhere... it's great. :whatever: Like, where were you when Ang Lee's Hulk was thoroughly dissected in other threads and why is now - in a thread that has nothing to do with Ang's Hulk - suddenly the right time to spill your brains over anything and everything that has to do with the Hulk?

Secondly, come on Sava... suicide attempts at the beginning and end? You have to be proud of those. lol As for the deviation from the comics, I couldn't be happier. I just don't get why everything must be fully 100% saturated in gamma rays for people to be happy.

Anyway, the script. Here's my take on LR's version, with the aid of the IESB article:

Absolutely LOVE everything up to the point that ends with the sentence, "He stares sadly at a picture of a beautiful woman, his wife, BETTY ROSS." The pace, the setting, the mood, etc... it's perfect. From there, starting with the abrupt transition to the woman who inherits "gamma sickness from a South American soda," the details are choppy. LR's "Clutch" spy guy, for example, doesn't explain how gamma happens to get into the soda, but thankfully IESB bails us out. Mr. "Clutch" also doesn't tell us how Ross is able to track down Banner immediately thereafter, but again, IESB comes to the rescue.

Then, in the next paragraph, we have a character named "Major Cabot." Well, there's no such character with that name in the movie, but there's an actor named Christina Cabot who plays Major Kathleen 'Kat' Sparr. So that would seem to cast a shadow on the reliability/accuracy of LR's review, considering that their ace "scooper" was giving us real character names up to the point of being factually lazy about this supposed "Major Cabot."

Banner's fight with the punks... someone who posted here a while ago wanting such a scene gets his wish, it seems. I only remember the post and not the poster because he/she was met with the ridicule that it would be too cliche... too much meant for Spidey, Batman or other comic book heroes, not the Hulk. I think the scene works just fine and is a nice primer for subsequent Hulkouts.

My only real problem is with the super soldier serum as it pertains to the Abomination and that is, we've already seen it before with Norman Osborn/the Green Goblin on the big screen. For the Hulk, I think the serum is fine, so long as the script gives a nod to the first film and/or Hulk's accidental-type origins occurring in a lab.

Moving on, I LOVE how Blonsky progressively becomes the Abomination over the course of the script. And LOVE that he gets his butt kicked by the Hulk in their first encounter. I was worried that the script would follow too many of the ideas around here - namely that Abomb should give the Hulk a beating in their first encounter, then leave it up to the Hulk being madder/stronger in a second encounter in which Hulk defeats Abomb (e.g., the apparent death of Betty, for example, causing Hulk's increased anger/strength, which would be INCREDIBLY cliche and/or overall just too predictable). But absolutely love the idea that Blonsky wants to take the serum. The LR review says he's "more than willing" to take it and "a little too happy with his power," and this only leaves it to our imagination just what a freakish beast he becomes, which IMO sets us up perfectly for his tango with the Hulk in NYC... which I'm hoping will be the mother of all fights.

Sterns attempts to treat Bruce. He is amazed and shocked by Bruce’s transformation as the procedure seemingly malfunctions; at last, Bruce turns back to himself, the treatment outwardly effective.

^An interesting little wrinkle IMO. Will be curious to see how it's done.

As the team prepares their assault, Sterns shows Bruce his creations – animals Sterns injected with Bruce’s DNA. Bruce is mad, saying they must all be destroyed lest they fall into the government’s hands.

^More Hulk dogs..? :oldrazz:

I liked that effect, and most of the split screens and swipes. A couple times he went crazy on it but overall it enhanced the film. My favorite was when the camera pulls back to reveal a comic page with animated panels from different scenes and then zooms back in on a different panel to continue the story. That was pure genius and I'd love to see that done again.

No AD, it was 24 - one of your favorite shows. Good for a one-time use only IMO.

[GNR]

Only read up to the part where the chick who drinks the soda dies.

So far so good.No more spoilers for me though.

[Sava]

Well, the IESB review makes infinitely more sense than the LR article, but before delving into that, I have to say I love how this topic brings out so many Hulk fans who apparently were in hiding all of this time. People crawling out from everywhere... it's great. :whatever: Like, where were you when Ang Lee's Hulk was thoroughly dissected in other threads and why is now - in a thread that has nothing to do with Ang's Hulk - suddenly the right time to spill your brains over anything and everything that has to do with the Hulk?

Secondly, come on Sava... suicide attempts at the beginning and end? You have to be proud of those. lol As for the deviation from the comics, I couldn't be happier. I just don't get why everything must be fully 100% saturated in gamma rays for people to be happy.

Anyway, the script. Here's my take on LR's version, with the aid of the IESB article:

Absolutely LOVE everything up to the point that ends with the sentence, "He stares sadly at a picture of a beautiful woman, his wife, BETTY ROSS." The pace, the setting, the mood, etc... it's perfect. From there, starting with the abrupt transition to the woman who inherits "gamma sickness from a South American soda," the details are choppy. LR's "Clutch" spy guy, for example, doesn't explain how gamma happens to get into the soda, but thankfully IESB bails us out. Mr. "Clutch" also doesn't tell us how Ross is able to track down Banner immediately thereafter, but again, IESB comes to the rescue.

Then, in the next paragraph, we have a character named "Major Cabot." Well, there's no such character with that name in the movie, but there's an actor named Christina Cabot who plays Major Kathleen 'Kat' Sparr. So that would seem to cast a shadow on the reliability/accuracy of LR's review, considering that their ace "scooper" was giving us real character names up to the point of being factually lazy about this supposed "Major Cabot."

Banner's fight with the punks... someone who posted here a while ago wanting such a scene gets his wish, it seems. I only remember the post and not the poster because he/she was met with the ridicule that it would be too cliche... too much meant for Spidey, Batman or other comic book heroes, not the Hulk. I think the scene works just fine and is a nice primer for subsequent Hulkouts.

My only real problem is with the super soldier serum as it pertains to the Abomination and that is, we've already seen it before with Norman Osborn/the Green Goblin on the big screen. For the Hulk, I think the serum is fine, so long as the script gives a nod to the first film and/or Hulk's accidental-type origins occurring in a lab.

Moving on, I LOVE how Blonsky progressively becomes the Abomination over the course of the script. And LOVE that he gets his butt kicked by the Hulk in their first encounter. I was worried that the script would follow too many of the ideas around here - namely that Abomb should give the Hulk a beating in their first encounter, then leave it up to the Hulk being madder/stronger in a second encounter in which Hulk defeats Abomb (e.g., the apparent death of Betty, for example, causing Hulk's increased anger/strength, which would be INCREDIBLY cliche and/or overall just too predictable). But absolutely love the idea that Blonsky wants to take the serum. The LR review says he's "more than willing" to take it and "a little too happy with his power," and this only leaves it to our imagination just what a freakish beast he becomes, which IMO sets us up perfectly for his tango with the Hulk in NYC... which I'm hoping will be the mother of all fights.



^An interesting little wrinkle IMO. Will be curious to see how it's done.



^More Hulk dogs..? :oldrazz:



No AD, it was 24 - one of your favorite shows. Good for a one-time use only IMO.

lol, i like the script but i was surprised how much it deviated from the comics

[Advanced Dark]

No AD, it was 24 - one of your favorite shows. Good for a one-time use only IMO.

Huh?

[SpaghettiHULK]

the only reason for them to re-do the origins, is to go closer to the CB's origin. I can't undestand why they are going to mess up with the CB's origins, the 1st one origins... in a movie that is not an "origin story". No sense.

[TheSlag]

Wow that sounds superb. Iron Man will be the weakest of the 3, and that lokos fantastic, so we are in for a helluva summer 2008 :up:


What 3? And Iron Man looks pretty damn good to me, why do you see it as weak?

[co2]

I'm not reading this thread...no way.
I want to enjoy the movie as much as possible.

[TheSlag]

I'm not reading this thread...no way.
I want to enjoy the movie as much as possible.

Pssst... over here buddie. Guess what... THERE IS NO EASTER BUNNY. Oh... and Santa Claus... the big jolly fat guy... :cwink:

Good luck with "staying innocent"... I know I could not.

[LegendaryCaleb]

idk if i like what i read...

[TheSlag]

idk if i like what i read...

True. But imagine how it would feel to walk in without a clue... and then be TOTALLY blown away.

But me... too weak, have to read the spoilers.

[Cracker Jack]

I'm not reading this thread...no way.
I want to enjoy the movie as much as possible.


Well co2 O'l buddy, maybe this will help. Cracker Jack is not happy with the changes once again but this time he is not going to give them a chance.

[James T. Kirk]

Well co2 O'l buddy, maybe this will help. Cracker Jack is not happy with the changes once again but this time he is not going to give them a chance.

So you're not gonna go see the movie?

[Cracker Jack]

So you're not gonna go see the movie?


At this point I honestly don't know. I've been one of the bigest supporters of Frenchy and the whole Re-boot thing up until today. This is sad. I was enjoyng the "leaked Script" up until Banner injected himself. If this has anything to do with why he becomes The Hulk................I really don't care anymore. :csad:

[Bannerless Hulk]

Huh?

The split screens and wipes... it was essentially a ripoff from the show 24, which uses them religiously. And since you're a big fan of Jack Bauer, maybe this explains your "pure genius" comment? I mean, it might've been original for a feature length film, but "pure genius"? How could it be "pure genius" when all Ang Lee had to do was watch even one of the 48-72 episodes of 24 that had come out at that point to borrow/steal the idea?

[James T. Kirk]

At this point I honestly don't know. I've been one of the bigest supporters of Frenchy and the whole Re-boot thing up until today. This is sad. I was enjoyng the "leaked Script" up until Banner injected himself. If this has anything to do with why he becomes The Hulk................I really don't care anymore. :csad:

I know how you feel, :csad: .

[Cracker Jack]

I know how you feel, :csad: .

It's good to know we're not alone

[Bannerless Hulk]

Sheesh, get a room.

[Cracker Jack]

Blow me

[Bannerless Hulk]

lol just teasing.

And I see you're already busy. lol

[Cracker Jack]

Yeah all work and no play.................:oldrazz: :cwink: :woot:

[Bannerless Hulk]

:cwink:

Cheer up, man.

[Cracker Jack]

I'm trying to pal.

[The Guardian]

OK, THE SCRIPT IS AWESOME, THERE'S ONLY 2 THINGS I DON'T LIKE ABOUT IT!!! 1) THE ORIGIN, I WANT A GAMMA BOMB EXPLOSION, WHICH BRINGS ME TO #2) AND I WANT BRUCE TO SAVE RICK JONES'S LIFE, HONESTLY, IS THAT TO MUCH TO ASK!!! WHAT I HAVE JUST DESCRIBED IS ABOUT 10 SECONDS OF THE INTRO TO THE INCREDIBLE HULK ANIMATED SERIES FROM THE EARLY 80'S, IF THEY CAN DO IT IN 10 SECONDS, HOLLYWOOD CAN DO A FLASHBACK OR A DREAM SEQUENCE AND GIVE US THE GAMMA BOMB AND RICK JONES!!! THE HULK NOT HAVING RICK IS LIKE SPIDEY WITHOUT AUNT MAY, BATMAN WITHOUT ALFRED, SUPERMAN WITHOUT JIMMY OLSEN, YOU GET THE POINT!!! ANYWAYS I'VE SAID MY PIECE, I HOPE THEY ADD THESE THINGS BUT NEVER THE LESS I'LL BE IN THE THEATER OPENING DAY!!!:o:oldrazz::D:up:

[Cracker Jack]

IS THAT TO MUCH TO ASK!!! IF THEY CAN DO IT IN 10 SECONDS, HOLLYWOOD CAN DO A FLASHBACK OR A DREAM SEQUENCE AND GIVE US THE GAMMA BOMB AND RICK JONES!!!

I agree 100%.

[TheSlag]

The split screens and wipes... it was essentially a ripoff from the show 24, which uses them religiously. And since you're a big fan of Jack Bauer, maybe this explains your "pure genius" comment? I mean, it might've been original for a feature length film, but "pure genius"? How could it be "pure genius" when all Ang Lee had to do was watch even one of the 48-72 episodes of 24 that had come out at that point to borrow/steal the idea?


And 24 had already vested the viewer's interest in the characters before going to this approach. The Hulk, had not.

[Dirty Harry]

Hoping the origin is barely even mentioned. Why confuse the masses any more than you have to, given that the whole cast is already a sort of re-boot. More importantly, everyone going to see this knows the Hulk. No need to re-hash or reinvent the wheel once again. I hope that this whole sticky "which origin?" mess becomes as much of a non-issue on-screen as the "organic vs. handmade web-shooters" thing in the Spider-Man films.

Good to see the "getting beaten up" Hulk-Out thing. Nice nod to Bixby's show. (Wonder if they'll do the white eyes and/or weird sound effect?:woot:) A pretty brave move to have our hero try and dust himself in the intro. Takes balls to show that level of desperation right out of the gate. Should shock the masses a bit and hopefully make them sit up and pay attention for what comes.

I know Roth will give us a good show for Blonsky's rise to corrupt power. His showdown with Norton should make for some good on-screen dynamics. Both of these guys are at the top of their acting game. Then you throw in William Hurt screaming and having a T-Bolt fit, then turn around and coldly manipulate Roth into taking a gamma injection to even the odds against Banner... should be fun to watch.

I'm a little more cautious and somewhat less optimistic than I was before reading this spoiler... but regardless I'll still be there opening day with my $8 in hand.

Next summer cannot get here soon enough.

[The Guardian]

I agree 100%.

DAMN STRAIT MY BROTHA, HULK SMASH STUPID HOLLYWOOD PEOPLE,:hulk: LOL!!!:oldrazz:;):D:up:

[FrostBite]

lol, i like the script but i was surprised how much it deviated from the comics

Hey sava, how did you feel about the cure angle? I remember it was one of the big things that irked you before.

[The Guardian]

Hey sava, how did you feel about the cure angle? I remember it was one of the big things that irked you before.

PERSONALLY I LIKE THE WAY THE SCRIPT HANDLES IT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T TAKE VERY LONG FOR BRUCE TO BE NEEDED AS THE HULK AFTER HE IS CURED!!!:D:up:

[TheSlag]

If the script is true, and basically I think it is, with some minor changes betwen this original draft and the shooting draft... obviously with Banner jumping out of the helicopter to confront Abomination... the cure is not a cure.

[SpaghettiHULK]

Hoping the origin is barely even mentioned. Why confuse the masses any more than you have to, given that the whole cast is already a sort of re-boot. More importantly, everyone going to see this knows the Hulk. No need to re-hash or reinvent the wheel once again.

you're damn right, man!

[L0ngsh0t]

OK, THE SCRIPT IS AWESOME, THERE'S ONLY 2 THINGS I DON'T LIKE ABOUT IT!!! 1) THE ORIGIN, I WANT A GAMMA BOMB EXPLOSION, WHICH BRINGS ME TO #2) AND I WANT BRUCE TO SAVE RICK JONES'S LIFE, HONESTLY, IS THAT TO MUCH TO ASK!!! WHAT I HAVE JUST DESCRIBED IS ABOUT 10 SECONDS OF THE INTRO TO THE INCREDIBLE HULK ANIMATED SERIES FROM THE EARLY 80'S, IF THEY CAN DO IT IN 10 SECONDS, HOLLYWOOD CAN DO A FLASHBACK OR A DREAM SEQUENCE AND GIVE US THE GAMMA BOMB AND RICK JONES!!! THE HULK NOT HAVING RICK IS LIKE SPIDEY WITHOUT AUNT MAY, BATMAN WITHOUT ALFRED, SUPERMAN WITHOUT JIMMY OLSEN, YOU GET THE POINT!!! ANYWAYS I'VE SAID MY PIECE, I HOPE THEY ADD THESE THINGS BUT NEVER THE LESS I'LL BE IN THE THEATER OPENING DAY!!!:o:oldrazz::D:up:


do u have the script and would you send it too me if you have it?

[Bannerless Hulk]

I'm trying to pal.

Seriously, you sound defeated. What ever happened to just showing up at a movie and enjoying it? I mean, at the very least, there's enough positive energy here that you could borrow some of ours. And this "draft" isn't even official anyway. You act like it's the end of the world.

And 24 had already vested the viewer's interest in the characters before going to this approach. The Hulk, had not.

I thought they used the wipes from the beginning. Oh well.

[Cracker Jack]

Seriously, you sound defeated. What ever happened to just showing up at a movie and enjoying it? I mean, at the very least, there's enough positive energy here that you could borrow some of ours. And this "draft" isn't even official anyway. You act like it's the end of the world.


Well, the first movie let me down. Lizards, star fish, nanomeds and what not, zapped by some gamma for good measure all comming together to make the Hulk I said EEEK! Now this. Yeah I'm let down BIG TIME. I was hoping that they'd give us the Gamma Bomb in one form or another. No silly DNA crap making up the Hulk just the Hulk comming from the bomb. There's where he is was born. An Uncontrollable force giving birth to an Uncontrollable force. The power and fury of the Gamma bomb all bottled up inside Banner waiting to blow. A guy at Hulkmovie.com said it best "The hulk is a gamma bomb with leggs." I was really hoping to see this come to life. Now I just bummed.

[Golgo-13]

Well, the first movie let me down. Lizards, star fish, nanomeds and what not, zapped by some gamma for good measure all comming together to make the Hulk I said EEEK! Now this. Yeah I'm let down BIG TIME. I was hoping that they'd give us the Gamma Bomb in one form or another. No silly DNA crap making up the Hulk just the Hulk comming from the bomb. There's where he is was born. An Uncontrollable force giving birth to an Uncontrollable force. The power and fury of the Gamma bomb all bottled up inside Banner waiting to blow. A guy at Hulkmovie.com said it best "The hulk is a gamma bomb with leggs." I was really hoping to see this come to life. Now I just bummed.

Me too, to an extent. I was really looking forward to the Gamma Bonb, now we're getting some super soldier serum.... :down: I'm sure this movie will be wwwwaaaaayyyyyy better than Ang's crapfest (which isn't hard) but once agian, i'm sad there's no bomb.


What i do like is that Banners blood is poisonous to others. Don't remember that being the case in any past incarnations of the Hulk. I always thought that Banners blood appeared normal, until adrenaline was introduced and that it was just his Pituitary gland that was poisoned by the Gamma radiadion overdose, thus the change occurring when he gets emotionally riled up....:huh:

[GNR]

One thing ppl are forgetting is that Norton has been reworking the script as they film,so chances are,this is not the final draft,but close.

[Mike_D202]

I think when Norton jumps out of the helicopter, he'll turn into the gray hulk.

[Cracker Jack]

What i do like is that Banners blood is poisonous to others. Don't remember that being the case in any past incarnations of the Hulk. I always thought that Banners blood appeared normal, until adrenaline was introduced and that it was just his Pituitary gland that was poisoned by the Gamma radiadion overdose, thus the change occurring when he gets emotionally riled up....:huh:

Yeah that is strange but, like you, I thought "There's a twist that's pretty cool." actually there are a several things I like about the script summary. But there's always a sticking point isn't there :cwink:

[Isildur´s Heir]

From what i could gather from scripts spoilers, the scripts suck.
I can´t even start to think what is going on with some of you guys, but i think that you are so willing for it to go right, you can´t even look at it with proper eyes.
But, like i said, this is what i can gather from the spoilers in the articles, so, in the movie, it might be totally diferent.

The reason why Ross finds Banner in Brazil is just ridiculous "Later, Bruce helps the factory owner repair a machine. He cuts himself, a few drops of blood landing on the bottle conveyer belt. Bruce quickly cleans it up, but misses a drop that landed in a bottle…Later, at the office of GENERAL THUNDERBOLT ROSS, MAJOR CABOT reports that a woman got gamma sickness from a South American soda."

The simple idea of Banner, one of the most intelligent persons in the world, having help to find the cure is stupid to say the least.
But even more when that helper is someone he doesn´t know, which means that he is talking with some stranger about the fact that he changes into a green goliath.
This is just moronic.
And better yet, Sterns actually "finds" a cure, which just shows how average Banner is as a scientist.

Blonksky´s progressive change until becaming the Abomination is so cliché is not even funny.

And there is more.....

[Golgo-13]

Yeah that is strange but, like you, I thought "There's a twist that's pretty cool." actually there are a several things I like about the script summary. But there's always a sticking point isn't there :cwink:

Also, if She-Hulk is introduced, how are they gonna go with the whole blood transfusion origin if his blood makes others sick? I guess now they have to change her origin (if she's introduced) too.

[Bannerless Hulk]

Well, the first movie let me down. Lizards, star fish, nanomeds and what not, zapped by some gamma for good measure all comming together to make the Hulk I said EEEK! Now this. Yeah I'm let down BIG TIME. I was hoping that they'd give us the Gamma Bomb in one form or another. No silly DNA crap making up the Hulk just the Hulk comming from the bomb. There's where he is was born. An Uncontrollable force giving birth to an Uncontrollable force. The power and fury of the Gamma bomb all bottled up inside Banner waiting to blow. A guy at Hulkmovie.com said it best "The hulk is a gamma bomb with leggs." I was really hoping to see this come to life. Now I just bummed.

Yeah, I know... it kind of depresses me too. But am I going to allow that to define my whole experience? No way! Come on, you CAN'T allow that to dominate you. You're a Hulk fan; you know better. lol And do you really think they would completely abandon the gamma origins? I'm thinking FrostBite(?) was on to something when he suggested that maybe the script was referring to Bruce's dad experimenting with the serum, as shown in the first movie. Or do you reject that part of the first movie also? I mean, there's almost TOO many reasons to be excited. Lizards, starfish, iguanas, cacti... how can you not get up for these things? I'm personally hoping for cows, geese, salamanders, parakeets, polar bears and whatever other Arctic, Canadian and South American wildlife exists to find their way into the movie. lol

The simple idea of Banner, one of the most intelligent persons in the world, having help to find the cure is stupid to say the least. But even more when that helper is someone he doesn´t know, which means that he is talking with some stranger about the fact that he changes into a green goliath. This is just moronic. And better yet, Sterns actually "finds" a cure, which just shows how average Banner is as a scientist.

Blonksky´s progressive change until becaming the Abomination is so cliché is not even funny.

And there is more.....

Well, Sterns is the Leader. DUH. He should be smarter than Banner. And it's not like Banner has 24-7 access to a laboratory where he can perform all the tests he needs. DUH. As for the stranger, what the hell do you expect - a close family relative with whom Banner already has close established ties? He's a man on the run. You're going to trust whoever has the answers and those answers aren't likely to come easy. DUH. The Abomination - would you rather have him pop out fully manifested in one scene at the beginning of the movie? How do you keep the audience interested if you do that? DUH.

Yeah, I like how you propose no other solutions. "This is just moronic," but you apparently are a genius. I'm not impressed. Find some other script to rip on in cowardly fashion.

[tamron]

Well, Sterns is the Leader. DUH. He should be smarter than Banner.

I'm pretty sure that Sterns was a HS dropout, and of average intelligence prior to his gamma exposure. At least in the 616. Is there an Ulitmate Leader or something? I don't read the Ult. line.

[HulkStomps!]

Despite the not having the gamma explosion, or Rick Jones, I dig it!

Even though I was hoping for a bit of buddy film stuff. I think it would cool to do some charecter range for Hulks acting, where Rick jones is playing off the Hulk's banter, the way you'd normally see in buddy films. With that 70% friction, 30% friendship. That starts to change as they get to know each other and become best friends. Then Banner decides it's getting way to dangerous for Rick to be around him and ditches Rick.

If they could just do this along with the already existing script.

Aw well, I'm still a Hulk fan, and I get to see the essential charecter of the Hulk doing what he does best! So stop yer whinnin, and support this movie, cause it's going to be great! You can't have EVERYTHING you want!:oldrazz:

[Isildur´s Heir]

DUH. As for the stranger, what the hell do you expect - a close family relative with whom Banner already has close established ties? He's a man on the run.
I´m not even going to bother replying, except this one....
Next time, before you go all defensive of a scritpt you haven´t read, but because it´s called Hulk, has to be good, think a bit.

Like you said, Banner is a man on the run, which means that he is running from something.
So, NO, he is not going to trust any stranger that say that has the cure, a stranger that can be working with whoever Banner is running from, or going to tell someone and the information might fall into anyone ears.
Someone needs to be really stupid to trust a stranger when he is on the run, and stupid is not really Banner middle name.
And, then again, he is a scientist, he has connections and knows people on the business, he doesn´t need someone he doesn´t know to find the cure.

The all Sterns bit is nothing more than a sorry excuse to introduce The Leader and have someone "create" the Abomination.

[TheSlag]

I thought they used the wipes from the beginning. Oh well.

I think they basically did, but what I'm saying is it was most effective after they had established the characters... after we had vested an interest in them.

Ang's Hulk never even came close to vesting interest in the characters, for me at least.

[L0ngsh0t]

I think when Norton jumps out of the helicopter, he'll turn into the gray hulk.

that maybe and that would be cool

but doesn't grey hulk have less strength and ability? I would think he needs all he can have to defeat the abomination

[TheSlag]

From what i could gather from scripts spoilers, the scripts suck.
I can´t even start to think what is going on with some of you guys, but i think that you are so willing for it to go right, you can´t even look at it with proper eyes.
But, like i said, this is what i can gather from the spoilers in the articles, so, in the movie, it might be totally diferent.

The reason why Ross finds Banner in Brazil is just ridiculous "Later, Bruce helps the factory owner repair a machine. He cuts himself, a few drops of blood landing on the bottle conveyer belt. Bruce quickly cleans it up, but misses a drop that landed in a bottle…Later, at the office of GENERAL THUNDERBOLT ROSS, MAJOR CABOT reports that a woman got gamma sickness from a South American soda."

The simple idea of Banner, one of the most intelligent persons in the world, having help to find the cure is stupid to say the least.
But even more when that helper is someone he doesn´t know, which means that he is talking with some stranger about the fact that he changes into a green goliath.
This is just moronic.
And better yet, Sterns actually "finds" a cure, which just shows how average Banner is as a scientist.

Blonksky´s progressive change until becaming the Abomination is so cliché is not even funny.

And there is more.....

You don't think that the Govt/Military would have alerts set up for Gama Radiation Poisoning of any kind with all the hospitals... in an attempt to isolate and find Banner? Makes sense to me.

And Banner relying on "another's" help is stictly a plot ploy to bring in the Leader down the road, but regardless, does not limit the intelligence of Banner, it shows the desperation, and lack of equipment/materials that he faces as fugitive. An Excellent way to get across IMO.

Abomination slowly turning into what he is... is cliche? Your kidding... right? Again, I like it cause it is all about the tease, the character development. If done right, it will be MUCH more effective than a Wam-Bam-Thank-You-Maam... instant transformation from Blonsky to Abomination. Character development... I'm ALL for that.

[Freakout]

Something I haven't seen mentioned. Blonsky is injected with what we are lead believe to be the same serum Bruce injected himself with yet it never turned him into a big green monster. So something is left out because the serum itself doesn't turn you into the Hulk. Just maybe there is a gamma explosion and the only reason Bruce survives and becomes the Hulk is because of the injection.

I mean think for a second. The woman dies from a simple drop of Bruce's gamma infected yet deluted blood yet Blonsky manages to survive a complete injection? The serum is the only tie in.

[Bannerless Hulk]

I'm pretty sure that Sterns was a HS dropout, and of average intelligence prior to his gamma exposure. At least in the 616. Is there an Ulitmate Leader or something? I don't read the Ult. line.

Well, the IESB script describes Sterns as "a cellular biologist trying to help Bruce," so I think we can assume for the sake of this movie that he starts out more intelligent than a h.s. dropout. Not everything has to follow the comics, people.

I'm not even going to bother replying, except this one....

Next time, before you go all defensive of a scritpt you haven't read, but because it's called Hulk, has to be good, think a bit.

I have read the script. I follow this s*** religiously. You? This is the first time I've seen you around here.

Like you said, Banner is a man on the run, which means that he is running from something.

So, NO, he is not going to trust any stranger that say that has the cure, a stranger that can be working with whoever Banner is running from, or going to tell someone and the information might fall into anyone ears. Someone needs to be really stupid to trust a stranger when he is on the run, and stupid is not really Banner middle name.

And, then again, he is a scientist, he has connections and knows people on the business, he doesn´t need someone he doesn´t know to find the cure.

I see what you're saying, but rather than just attack the script's integrity, I like to think there's a good reason why Banner happens to trust this guy, Sterns. Again, he's on the run, and when you're on the run, you can't just call up your friends whose phone lines are going to be tapped by Ross. I mean, if you go back to one of my earlier posts, you'll find we actually agree that it's a little bit ridiculous that Ross is able to find Banner because a drop of his blood gets into a soda that is subsequently consumed by some woman. But hey, anything is fair game and it does have that quality of one-chance-in-a-million, so I can allow for it.

But getting back to the matter at hand, when you're desperate for a cure - and we know Banner is - you're going to be a little more lax with your system of trust on the basis that you can't afford to remain in complete 100% isolation. I mean, how ridiculous is that - a fugitive Banner whose search for a cure is reliant entirely upon his own limited resources? Reason he's got to take a few risks somewhere and, heaven forbid, involve other people. And, for the purposes of the movie, who's to say Banner doesn't know Sterns previously as a colleague in the field anyway?

The all Sterns bit is nothing more than a sorry excuse to introduce The Leader and have someone "create" the Abomination.

Again, what's your solution? Oh, that's right, you don't have any. Well, Sterns just happens to be one of Hulk's main nemeses and I have no problem with the way they introduce him. I mean, we're only talking an introduction - he has to enter somewhere. And, really, at some point we have to admit everything is contrived, isn't it? They're trying to make an interesting story for Pete's sake. Do you wish there was no Sterns at all?

I think they basically did, but what I'm saying is it was most effective after they had established the characters... after we had vested an interest in them.

Ang's Hulk never even came close to vesting interest in the characters, for me at least.

Hmm... I agree, but if they started the wipes in Season 1 (before 24 had established any rapport with its viewers or had any reputation at all), then it stands to reason that Hulk was in the same boat with moviegoers and it was simply a matter of whether those moviegoers would like the effect or not. But yeah, it's kind of hard to start a trend and simultaneously expect people to buy into it. A trend only becomes a trend once people have begun to follow it. And wipes were never a trend. It was simply an effect that Ang chose to use.

Something I haven't seen mentioned. Blonsky is injected with what we are lead believe to be the same serum Bruce injected himself with yet it never turned him into a big green monster.

Two false assumptions: 1.) Bruce takes the serum and 2.) Blonsky takes a concentrated dose. The script isn't clear about either of these things.

I mean think for a second. The woman dies from a simple drop of Bruce's gamma infected yet deluted blood yet Blonsky manages to survive a complete injection? The serum is the only tie in.

No, she doesn't. Go back and read the scripts.

[Baba Ghanoush]

I like what I'm hearing. Sounds like a good story, lots of action, and less pretension than Lee's Hulk.

[samsnee]

So the first time we see Bruce's first full transformation is once again in darkness? What I didn't like about Lee's film is that it took forever to see the Hulk, and when you did, it was all so dark. I admit, this script synopsis doesn't get me excited. It's not horrible, but nothing really jumps out for me.

[Freakout]

Well, the IESB script describes Sterns as "a cellular biologist trying to help Bruce," so I think we can assume for the sake of this movie that he starts out more intelligent than a h.s. dropout. Not everything has to follow the comics, people.



I have read the script. I follow this s*** religiously. You? This is the first time I've seen you around here.



I see what you're saying, but rather than just attack the script's integrity, I like to think there's a good reason why Banner happens to trust this guy, Sterns. Again, he's on the run, and when you're on the run, you can't just call up your friends whose phone lines are going to be tapped by Ross. I mean, if you go back to one of my earlier posts, you'll find we actually agree that it's a little bit ridiculous that Ross is able to find Banner because a drop of his blood gets into a soda that is subsequently consumed by some woman. But hey, anything is fair game and it does have that quality of one-chance-in-a-million, so I can allow for it.

But getting back to the matter at hand, when you're desperate for a cure - and we know Banner is - you're going to be a little more lax with your system of trust on the basis that you can't afford to remain in complete 100% isolation. I mean, how ridiculous is that - a fugitive Banner whose search for a cure is reliant entirely upon his own limited resources? Reason he's got to take a few risks somewhere and, heaven forbid, involve other people. And, for the purposes of the movie, who's to say Banner doesn't know Sterns previously as a colleague in the field anyway?



Again, what's your solution? Oh, that's right, you don't have any. Well, Sterns just happens to be one of Hulk's main nemeses and I have no problem with the way they introduce him. I mean, we're only talking an introduction - he has to enter somewhere. And, really, at some point we have to admit everything is contrived, isn't it? They're trying to make an interesting story for Pete's sake. Do you wish there was no Sterns at all?



Hmm... I agree, but if they started the wipes in Season 1 (before 24 had established any rapport with its viewers or had any reputation at all), then it stands to reason that Hulk was in the same boat with moviegoers and it was simply a matter of whether those moviegoers would like the effect or not. But yeah, it's kind of hard to start a trend and simultaneously expect people to buy into it. A trend only becomes a trend once people have begun to follow it. And wipes were never a trend. It was simply an effect that Ang chose to use.



Two false assumptions: 1.) Bruce takes the serum and 2.) Blonsky takes a concentrated dose. The script isn't clear about either of these things.



No, she doesn't. Go back and read the scripts.



Ok she doesn't die. :whatever:

I guess the fact that she ALMOST DIES still proves my point.

Ross and his team fly away in a chopper, happy that they’ve finally caught him. But back at the lab, the steroid-filled Blonsky forces Sterns to inject him with Bruce’s DNA.I don't see how you can get more concentrated than that.

Ross explains that Banner was part of an early experiment to create super soldier serum, but the funding was running out. In the eleventh hour of the project, Banner was so certain of his research that he tested it on himself – that’s when everything went to hell.I'm not assuming anything. I'm clearly basing my idea off of what we have been shown.

[Golgo-13]

I'm also concerned about the opening scenes description of Banner being surrounded by green. I hope his transformations don't start off with him glowing green. That sounds really cartoony and campy....

[Bannerless Hulk]

Ok she doesn't die. :whatever:

I guess the fact that she ALMOST DIES still proves my point.

I don't see how you can get more concentrated than that.

I'm not assuming anything. I'm clearly basing my idea off of what we have been shown.

Don't give me the rolleyes. I quoted "almost dies" from the IESB review of the script. The LR article says the woman only got "gamma sickness." Do we know that Blonsky doesn't experience any sickness himself?

About the concentrated dose, I think you're ignoring a whole lot of quoted material that plays into it all:

"Ross tells Blonsky that Banner is a scientist, not a soldier, and that he doesn’t understand that the power he holds belongs to the U.S. and should be used as a weapon. Ross then asks Blonsky if he’d be willing to take a shot of the serum, to have an edge against Banner when they face off again. Blonsky is more than willing. ...

"... Betty pleads with her father to leave him alone, but Ross refuses to listen. The Hulk faces off against Blonsky, stronger and faster than before, but still no match for Bruce’s alter ego. Badly wounded, the Hulk escapes with Betty, leaving behind a trail of destruction and a nearly-dead Blonsky. ...

"...Back at the hospital, Blonsky has made a remarkable recovery – not only has he healed entirely, but he is stronger and healthier than before. Ross gives him more shots and Blonsky smiles, a little too happy with his power."

Only then do we finally get this:

"Ross and his team fly away in a chopper, happy that they’ve finally caught him. But back at the lab, the steroid-filled Blonsky forces Sterns to inject him with Bruce’s DNA."

So your argument flies in the face of the fact that Blonsky never took a full dose from the get-go. Instead, he was gradually getting there, which isn't any stretch of the imagination.

And again, about Banner testing the serum on himself, I appeal to FrostBite's proposition that the script could be referring to David Banner, his dad... which would align perfectly with the first movie. There are things in the LR article that don't add up (Major Cabot?), nor are consistent with the IESB review (which says almost nothing about the serum), so I don't think it's out of the question.

But please... no rolleyes. All of us are in the dark and the last thing we need is people jumping to conclusions that simply aren't there.

[EmeraldBeast]

Serum!? Super Soldier??? Serum!!!??? It's the Incredible Captain Hulk America.

BAH!!

Complete crap. Why can't they get this Sh!^ right? !
So now instead of Banners Dad experimenting on himself it’s Banner experimenting on himself. I hope this is a crock. If not I'm completely done. I have no hope for this movie or franchise.
I think because we (as comic book junkies) can't get over why they don't use a gamma bomb for his origin. WMDs are a sensitive issue in our day and age and while we want the origin to be what it is, they are being PC about it. The bottom line is we should be happy that a movie is being done at all after the failure of the last attempt (please no comments from the Ang Lee cronies, my stomach can't take it). I, being a true Hulk fan will take this twist and run with it only because it still promises to be 10 times better than the 2003 version or effort. It won't matter what is written about this movie, because you will all just tear it apart anyway. I will enjoy what is being done as I have a personal connection to this movie and am very proud of what is being produced. I have a close-up view of what we will see and must say you guys will eat your words. I have info on the Hulk model being used for the movie and decided that it wouldn't matter to you guys. You will probably critique the **** outta that too. I'm out.:cmad:

[Naite22]

One thing I KNOW I already love about this movie, is the fact that Ed Norton is playing Bruce Banner!!! The guy is a genius! Really, he's such an incredible actor! I never did like Eric Bana too much!

I, on the other hand really like Jennifer Connelly though! Ever since her role as Sarah in the fantasy-film "Labyrinth", I always thought she was great. Aside from the fact that she's ****ing HOT, she played the role of Betty very well! But I'm really looking forwards to seeing Liv Tyler play the role as well, I think she can be just a good!

[GNR]

How about a "I'm gonna wait until this script reaches the big screen to make judgment" option?

[EmeraldBeast]

One thing I KNOW I already love about this movie, is the fact that Ed Norton is playing Bruce Banner!!! The guy is a genius! Really, he's such an incredible actor! I never did like Eric Bana too much!

I, on the other hand really like Jennifer Connelly though! Ever since her role as Sarah in the fantasy-film "Labyrinth", I always thought she was great. Aside from the fact that she's ****ing HOT, she played the role of Betty very well! But I'm really looking forwards to seeing Liv Tyler play the role as well, I think she can be just a good!
The only thing that annoyed me a bit was Connelly staring into the camera alot with that deer in the headlight look on her face. Other than that she and ross were the best actors cast.

[EmeraldBeast]

How about a "I'm gonna wait until this script reaches the big screen to make judgment" option?
THANK YOU, THANK YOU , THANK YOU! Holy ***** why can't there be more of us out there. Everybody's a critic.:csad:

[Bannerless Hulk]

I think because we (as comic book junkies) can't get over why they don't use a gamma bomb for his origin. WMDs are a sensitive issue in our day and age and while we want the origin to be what it is, they are being PC about it. The bottom line is we should be happy that a movie is being done at all after the failure of the last attempt (please no comments from the Ang Lee cronies, my stomach can't take it). I, being a true Hulk fan will take this twist and run with it only because it still promises to be 10 times better than the 2003 version or effort. It won't matter what is written about this movie, because you will all just tear it apart anyway. I will enjoy what is being done as I have a personal connection to this movie and am very proud of what is being produced. I have view of what we will see and must say you guys will eat your words. I have info on the Hulk model being used for the movie and decided that it wouldn't matter to you guys. You will probably critique the **** outta that too. I'm out.:cmad:

Love how you feel it's your civil duty to parent us, EB. Like, thanks for always taking the position of an angry dad or a cop and never a peer. I mean, new details of a script are released and it makes front-page SHH news... yet you expect us to sit idly by? I used to appreciate your posts, but lately you've taken to being an a**hole, it seems... as if we're supposed to yield to your sovereign judgment because you work for Universal. Well, I'll continue to critique the s*** outta everything as I see fit, thank you, and you can keep ripping on all of us from your high horse. Yeah, we're not allowed to critique the movie, but you're allowed to critique US? How do you live with that one? What a joke...

[EmeraldBeast]

Love how you feel it's your civil duty to parent us, EB. Like, thanks for always taking the position of an angry dad or a cop and never a peer. I mean, new details of a script are released and it makes front-page SHH news... yet you expect us to sit idly by? I used to appreciate your posts, but lately you've taken to being an a**hole, it seems... as if we're supposed to yield to your sovereign judgment because you work for Universal. Well, I'll continue to critique the s*** outta everything as I see fit, thank you, and you can keep ripping on all of us from your high horse. Yeah, we're not allowed to critique the movie, but you're allowed to critique US? How do you live with that one? What a joke...

I write as a fan. I have a positive outlook about this movie. You sit back and seem to always give negative feedback about this or that. How about judging the movie after it comes out. I do understand the need to express opinion, but it gets redundant after a while reading all the negative posts while we work to put out a good product. Notice the "good" and not great because we haven't finished and seen the final product yet. As far as you being insulting intentionally, the only thing I can say is grow up and stop being a jerk dude. No one attacked you personally as you did me in your post. I don't expect that from you. I had respect for you. A word of friendly advice: You have no idea who you are insulting on any thread and it is easy to be a verbal bad boy online. I hope you don't mouth off on a regular in your daily life, cause someday your mouth will write a check your body can't cash. I may seem to go a little bananas because I am so passionate about my work, but I try to control my feelings regarding such and don't insult people online cause its childish and a cheapshot. Have a slice of humble pie and be civil, cause this is supposed to be fun. BTW, I am an older guy, but no I am not your dad.:woot:

[Bannerless Hulk]

I write as a fan. I have a positive outlook about this movie. You sit back and seem to always give negative feedback about this or that. How about judging the movie after it comes out. I do understand the need to express opinion, but it gets redundant after a while reading all the negative posts while we work to put out a good product. Notice the "good" and not great because we haven't finished and seen the final product yet. As far as you being insulting intentionally, the only thing I can say is grow up and stop being a jerk dude. No one attacked you personally as you did me in your post. I don't expect that from you. I had respect for you. A word of friendly advice: You have no idea who you are insulting on any thread and it is easy to be a verbal bad boy online. I hope you don't mouth off on a regular in your daily life, cause someday your mouth will write a check your body can't cash. I may seem to go a little bananas because I am so passionate about my work, but I try to control my feelings regarding such and don't insult people online cause its childish and a cheapshot. Have a slice of humble pie and be civil, cause this is supposed to be fun. BTW, I am an older guy, but no I am not your dad.:woot:

Your ego is bigger than I thought. No one attacked me personally? Um, check that, YOU did. That is, if anything you say is meant to be taken seriously. Which is worse: me directing my frustration at you or you criticizing all of us in wholesale? Is that your idea of "control"? Wouldn't it be better to actually respond to each person than to act like Big Brother? I mean, you come on here at the end of the day... 9 pages into this thread... and it's a sweeping judgment across the board. Do you even read what we post? If you did, you'd know that I myself am not even a critic(!). I loved the first movie and I love how this one is shaping up... but jeez, dude, it's a forum. If I want to talk, I'm going to talk. Same for everyone else. A word of friendly advice for you: Stop pretending to be a moderator.

[EmeraldBeast]

Your ego is bigger than I thought. No one attacked me personally? Um, check that, YOU did. That is, if anything you say is meant to be taken seriously. Which is worse: me directing my frustration at you or you criticizing all of us in wholesale? Is that your idea of "control"? Wouldn't it be better to actually respond to each person than to act like Big Brother? I mean, you come on here at the end of the day... 9 pages into this thread... and it's a sweeping judgment across the board. Do you even read what we post? If you did, you'd know that I myself am not even a critic(!). I loved the first movie and I love how this one is shaping up... but jeez, dude, it's a forum. If I want to talk, I'm going to talk. Same for everyone else. A word of friendly advice for you: Stop pretending to be a moderator.
Still no need to be foul with calling people *******. You can make your point w/o using obscene writing. Yes, I did read the posts and the majority of people bash and compare, which is cool. I just expressed an opinion an YOU took it personal. Is your self esteem taking a hit or are you paranoid that people are singling you out? Being quoted is not a personal attack on a writer, but a reference so we can understand the direction of a comment. I am not a moderator nor act as such, but I do ask that you show some respect and not direct cuss diatribe at me.

[Sasso]

How so? I'll watch this movie either way, but I kinda wanted to get the whole gamma bomb thing settled once and for all. I prefer it to super-soldier serum, but I like the Ultimate storyline as well.

Someone taking a full force explosion of a gamma bomb doesn't sound dumb? Even at a great distance, the force of the explosion alone should be more than enough to blow him to little bitty pieces.

[EmeraldBeast]

Someone taking a full force explosion of a gamma bomb doesn't sound dumb? Even at a great distance, the force of the explosion alone should be more than enough to blow him to little bitty pieces.
Yeah thats the one issue I had with the bomb being used. Who would survive that? We would be at the movies going "man, that's bull****, he should have died". So going this route is more realistic if you wanna call it that.:yay:

[guyverfanboy]

I think that The Incredible Hulk movie will be much better than the first movie. :)

[NewYorkSpider]

So is this movie a sequel to the first or is it just something different?

[Bannerless Hulk]

So is this movie a sequel to the first or is it just something different?

Just something different, with a quasi-connection to the first.

Still no need to be foul with calling people *******. You can make your point w/o using obscene writing. Yes, I did read the posts and the majority of people bash and compare, which is cool. I just expressed an opinion an YOU took it personal. Is your self esteem taking a hit or are you paranoid that people are singling you out? Being quoted is not a personal attack on a writer, but a reference so we can understand the direction of a comment. I am not a moderator nor act as such, but I do ask that you show some respect and not direct cuss diatribe at me.

Of course not. Is this the case for you? I singled you out, remember?

And I didn't say you were an a-hole, flat out, just that you seemed to have taken to being one of late. There's a difference. To borrow some of your own words, "I just expressed an opinion and YOU took it personal." Yeah, a fine example you are. Such the trend setter. Does that hurt your feelings also? More self-esteem issues? Note that I didn't use "cuss diatribe" to say any of that - just spelling out the truth as I see it. Maybe you've a problem with truth also.

But allow me to revisit one of your earlier posts, because this hypocrisy of yours seems to know no limits.

As far as you being insulting intentionally, the only thing I can say is grow up and stop being a jerk dude. No one attacked you personally as you did me in your post.

Yup, no name-calling in any of that. You even bolded the insult on my behalf. What a pal. :whatever:

You have no idea who you are insulting on any thread and it is easy to be a verbal bad boy online. I hope you don't mouth off on a regular in your daily life, cause someday your mouth will write a check your body can't cash.

It's so easy, in fact, that you do it in the very next sentence. Again, such the trend-setter.

I may seem to go a little bananas because I am so passionate about my work, but I try to control my feelings regarding such and don't insult people online cause its childish and a cheapshot.

Oh, riggghhhhht... it's because of your "passion" that you're such the sycophant. You'll have to look that one up. And yeah, as evidenced above, no insults of me either. Funny how you see it one way and not the other.

Gotta go.

[NewYorkSpider]

Just something different, with a quasi-connection to the first.


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[EmeraldBeast]

Just something different, with a quasi-connection to the first.



Of course not. Is this the case for you? I singled you out, remember?

And I didn't say you were an a-hole, flat out, just that you seemed to have taken to being one of late. There's a difference. To borrow some of your own words, "I just expressed an opinion and YOU took it personal." Yeah, a fine example you are. Such the trend setter. Does that hurt your feelings also? More self-esteem issues? Note that I didn't use "cuss diatribe" to say any of that - just spelling out the truth as I see it. Maybe you've a problem with truth also.

But allow me to revisit one of your earlier posts, because this hypocrisy of yours seems to know no limits.



Yup, no name-calling in any of that. You even bolded the insult on my behalf. What a pal. :whatever:



It's so easy, in fact, that you do it in the very next sentence. Again, such the trend-setter.



Oh, riggghhhhht... it's because of your "passion" that you're such the sycophant. You'll have to look that one up. And yeah, as evidenced above, no insults of me either. Funny how you see it one way and not the other.

Gotta go.
Good to know I make you bust out the Brittanica. :cwink: Thanks for the compliments. Don't mind being considered a public informer which you accused me of to begin with. Bravo on your choice good man, bravo.

[Advanced Dark]

Ok time to reboot this thread. Hold on...restarting....


Done.


Ok the topic is? ;)

[Naite22]

How about a "I'm gonna wait until this script reaches the big screen to make judgment" option?
Hey, I'm just looking positively at things, instead of tearing things apart ahead of time! And I KNOW for surden that I'll love Norton in the role, cause he's been amazing in every part thus far (IMO)... and like I said, I never liked Bana too much. His acting is too artificial and wooden! Norton will be a lot better, that I'm sure off. The guy simply rocks!

[Naite22]

I really can't wait to see the teaser trailer, HOPEFULLY coming this december!!! I sooo want to get a glimps of Hulk in motion! I prey to God that he looks more real than that Shrek-looking thing fom the first!

[Stripesy Strip]

OK, THE SCRIPT IS AWESOME, THERE'S ONLY 2 THINGS I DON'T LIKE ABOUT IT!!! 1) THE ORIGIN, I WANT A GAMMA BOMB EXPLOSION, WHICH BRINGS ME TO #2) AND I WANT BRUCE TO SAVE RICK JONES'S LIFE, HONESTLY, IS THAT TO MUCH TO ASK!!! WHAT I HAVE JUST DESCRIBED IS ABOUT 10 SECONDS OF THE INTRO TO THE INCREDIBLE HULK ANIMATED SERIES FROM THE EARLY 80'S, IF THEY CAN DO IT IN 10 SECONDS, HOLLYWOOD CAN DO A FLASHBACK OR A DREAM SEQUENCE AND GIVE US THE GAMMA BOMB AND RICK JONES!!! THE HULK NOT HAVING RICK IS LIKE SPIDEY WITHOUT AUNT MAY, BATMAN WITHOUT ALFRED, SUPERMAN WITHOUT JIMMY OLSEN, YOU GET THE POINT!!! ANYWAYS I'VE SAID MY PIECE, I HOPE THEY ADD THESE THINGS BUT NEVER THE LESS I'LL BE IN THE THEATER OPENING DAY!!!:o:oldrazz::D:up:

I'm not sure about a flashback sequence but I think it would have been great to introduce Rick Jones in this movie just so a lighter more adventure element would have been introduced. Seeing this teenager hanging out with Hulk would have humanised the monster a la Back to the Futur "OMG Marty, we have to jump in right away before the bad guy gets there" fast paste fun. Plus fans would have ate this up as far as continuity sakes. And the OC's Adam Brody would have been Rick.

[James T. Kirk]

"This is a part 1, this is the beginning of a new, a whole new Hulk saga." That sentence is now beginning to sound a lot like bullplop.

[Stripesy Strip]

The script sounds ok.

The arctic scene sounds awesome! I think it is a reference to Frankinstein, where the creature goes out into the arctic to die. Bruce goes out to die but Hulk stops him from comitting suicide. (I'm sure the suicide bit is pleasing Sava.)

The super soldier serum part doesn't sound good. Sure they might wanna make tie-ins with other Marvel characters but messing up the origin is not the right way to go. Didn't Captain America turn up in WWII? So I am hoping it was Bruce's father who made the serum.

A steriod/serum pumped up Blonsky vs Hulk, I'd like to see what that would look like. And didn't EB say that Abomination was going to battle Hulk twice? First time Hulk gets beaten, the second Hulk wins?

The Samson and Stern parts sound good aswell.

I wanna see how this all plays out.

I actually think they should stick to South America and use the Arctic and North for a meeting with the Wendigo in the third movie!

[Negrotigre]

From what i could gather from scripts spoilers, the scripts suck.
I can´t even start to think what is going on with some of you guys, but i think that you are so willing for it to go right, you can´t even look at it with proper eyes.
But, like i said, this is what i can gather from the spoilers in the articles, so, in the movie, it might be totally diferent.

The reason why Ross finds Banner in Brazil is just ridiculous "Later, Bruce helps the factory owner repair a machine. He cuts himself, a few drops of blood landing on the bottle conveyer belt. Bruce quickly cleans it up, but misses a drop that landed in a bottle…Later, at the office of GENERAL THUNDERBOLT ROSS, MAJOR CABOT reports that a woman got gamma sickness from a South American soda."

The simple idea of Banner, one of the most intelligent persons in the world, having help to find the cure is stupid to say the least.
But even more when that helper is someone he doesn´t know, which means that he is talking with some stranger about the fact that he changes into a green goliath.
This is just moronic.
And better yet, Sterns actually "finds" a cure, which just shows how average Banner is as a scientist.

Blonksky´s progressive change until becaming the Abomination is so cliché is not even funny.

And there is more.....


Your first point is really strong. Your second, the one about Abomination, I'm not sure is really that big a cliche'

T

[antonydelfini]

After reading the spoilers, I got a big smile on my face. Yeah I know I like the gamma bomb and rick jones and all that better than the super soldier stuff, but because everything sounds better than lee's hulk in terms of action, plot, and characters, and situations, i'm 100x more hyped now for this movie. Im still hoping they change the origin.

[SpaghettiHULK]

I think because we (as comic book junkies) can't get over why they don't use a gamma bomb for his origin. WMDs are a sensitive issue in our day and age and while we want the origin to be what it is, they are being PC about it. The bottom line is we should be happy that a movie is being done at all after the failure of the last attempt (please no comments from the Ang Lee cronies, my stomach can't take it). I, being a true Hulk fan will take this twist and run with it only because it still promises to be 10 times better than the 2003 version or effort. It won't matter what is written about this movie, because you will all just tear it apart anyway. I will enjoy what is being done as I have a personal connection to this movie and am very proud of what is being produced. I have a close-up view of what we will see and must say you guys will eat your words. I have info on the Hulk model being used for the movie and decided that it wouldn't matter to you guys. You will probably critique the **** outta that too. I'm out.

Listen EB. I don't want the whole bomb thing stucked in the movie... I just can't live with this stuff about Bruce testing the super soldier serum(or whatever it is) on himself, intentionally and... bam! Here's the Hulk!
This is from UU, and I hate UU, and in UU Bruce Banner is an as***le, Betty is a b**ch and the Hulk is a cannibal killer!
What I can't understand is: why they are trying to re-do the origin in a way that is a lot more far from the CB than that from the first one is. The biggest fans complaint with the first movie was that it ****ed up with origins... and now we go in a new, totally different way? It doesn't make sense for me...
I say, just let it in a doubt, is not necessary to explain everything... just set the story in a vague and "very artful" way. It is not so diffycult imo.-

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think because we (as comic book junkies) can't get over why they don't use a gamma bomb for his origin. WMDs are a sensitive issue in our day and age and while we want the origin to be what it is, they are being PC about it. The bottom line is we should be happy that a movie is being done at all after the failure of the last attempt (please no comments from the Ang Lee cronies, my stomach can't take it). I, being a true Hulk fan will take this twist and run with it only because it still promises to be 10 times better than the 2003 version or effort. It won't matter what is written about this movie, because you will all just tear it apart anyway. I will enjoy what is being done as I have a personal connection to this movie and am very proud of what is being produced. I have a close-up view of what we will see and must say you guys will eat your words. I have info on the Hulk model being used for the movie and decided that it wouldn't matter to you guys. You will probably critique the **** outta that too. I'm out.:cmad:

So we are not TRUE Hulk fans because we dont accept a script that deviates further from the source material than Ang's great movie did?

Do you realise how ridiculously hyprocritical this statment is?

Not to mention, if i dont like the sound of something will critique whatever the **** i want.

This movie sounds like it will be garbage, and at this point, i'm not even going to see it.

[Gianakin_]

I can´t even start to think what is going on with some of you guys, but i think that you are so willing for it to go right, you can´t even look at it with proper eyes.


Thank you so much for respecting the opinion of other people.

[EmeraldBeast]

Ok time to reboot this thread. Hold on...restarting....


Done.


Ok the topic is? ;)
Script rundown I thought, lol. Well, I would like to set the record straight. I come on to SHH to write and share with whomever and sometimes get a little carried away, but mean no harm to anyone. I love the Hulk character alot and got defensive when I read all the negative press the movie is getting from fans. I associate fans with complete loyalty, standing behind their character no matter what. I see that isnt the case at times and it has bothered me as a fan. When I generalize a statement, its to express how I feel (with no regret) at that moment and move on. I don't want at any time to get into a verbal war with anyone as that is not me. Defending myself is instinctful not premeditated. If I offended anyone, I'm man enough to say "hey, I'm sorry". That doesn't signify weakness, I just don't need the non-sense. REBOOTING...........I think the direction of the script kinda caught me off guard with the serum stuff. I guess the accident is still mentioned in the movie, not just shooting up this serum. I guess the story can evolve with times as long as the core of the character stays intact.

[EmeraldBeast]

So we are not TRUE Hulk fans because we dont accept a script that deviates further from the source material than Ang's great movie did?

Do you realise how ridiculously hyprocritical this statment is?

Not to mention, if i dont like the sound of something will critique whatever the **** i want.

This movie sounds like it will be garbage, and at this point, i'm not even going to see it.
No, not really. I do believe you will go see it. Because think about it, you are a fan and look how loyal you are towards Ang Lee's version (which I thought was both good and bad). Example, I'm pretty sure you have a favorite team that you follow whether they are good or bad. Now you're loyal to your team and someone comes along and bashes your team. Now, I know people are intitled to speak their minds, but you defend your team regardless. That was my stance. Nothing personal, just a generalized statement. It doesn't mean it was targeted towards everyone, just those who are not Hulk fans and comment on the forum just to do so.

[EmeraldBeast]

Despite the not having the gamma explosion, or Rick Jones, I dig it!

Even though I was hoping for a bit of buddy film stuff. I think it would cool to do some charecter range for Hulks acting, where Rick jones is playing off the Hulk's banter, the way you'd normally see in buddy films. With that 70% friction, 30% friendship. That starts to change as they get to know each other and become best friends. Then Banner decides it's getting way to dangerous for Rick to be around him and ditches Rick.

If they could just do this along with the already existing script.

Aw well, I'm still a Hulk fan, and I get to see the essential charecter of the Hulk doing what he does best! So stop yer whinnin, and support this movie, cause it's going to be great! You can't have EVERYTHING you want!:oldrazz:
I agree! Wow!! You nailed it!:woot: Hulk fans unite!

[Cracker Jack]

I associate fans with complete loyalty, standing behind their character no matter what. I see that isnt the case at times and it has bothered me as a fan.

EB, I'm assuming that you're adressing me. Yeah, I blew up yesterday. The first time I've said a negitive thing about this movie. Here's why, The problem I have is why do I feel sorry for Banner? He did this to himself. Not in an attempt to save someone but to prove he is right. In other words, for selfish reasons. This is more Jekyll and Hyde then Incredible Hulk. I hope that this summary left out the part that say the serum didn’t work. It seems to me that the serum doesn’t turn Banner into the Hulk but an accident later does. I think this because Blonsky doesn’t turn into the Abomination until after he get Banners blood injected into him. At least I hope so. I am completely loyal to The Hulk. The Incredible Hulk and it pisses me off that he gets raped all the time because his origin is so unbelievable. I get it, they thing no one will believe it. I guess so but this new twist is closer to Captain America than The Hulk. I gona try an be positive about this movie but it still baffles me why they blow off his origin without even giving it a try.

[EmeraldBeast]

EB, I'm assuming that you're adressing me. Yeah, I blew up yesterday. The first time I've said a negitive thing about this movie. Here's why, The problem I have is why do I feel sorry for Banner? He did this to himself. Not in an attempt to save someone but to prove he is right. In other words, for selfish reasons. This is more Jekyll and Hyde then Incredible Hulk. I hope that this summary left out the part that say the serum didn’t work. It seems to me that the serum doesn’t turn Banner into the Hulk but an accident later does. I think this because Blonsky doesn’t turn into the Abomination until after he get Banners blood injected into him. At least I hope so. I am completely loyal to The Hulk. The Incredible Hulk and it pisses me off that he gets raped all the time because his origin is so unbelievable. I get it, they thing no one will believe it. I guess so but this new twist is closer to Captain America than The Hulk. I gona try an be positive about this movie but it still baffles me why they blow off his origin without even giving it a try. Yeah, I know. I kinda went bananas too reading all that stuff. I really don't like the serum bull-****, but I think if given a chance we can live with it. I didnt want the Cap America association either, as that crap threw me a curveball. Like I said before, I feel they are being PC about the bomb issue as they will refer to "the accident" that causes the change. Maybe they will show the bomb in a flashback combining both serum and bomb radiation. Please don't take what I wrote personally. I was frustrated. Talk to you soon. I will IM info I have on the model.:woot:

[Golgo-13]

From what i could gather from scripts spoilers, the scripts suck.
I can´t even start to think what is going on with some of you guys, but i think that you are so willing for it to go right, you can´t even look at it with proper eyes.
But, like i said, this is what i can gather from the spoilers in the articles, so, in the movie, it might be totally diferent.

The reason why Ross finds Banner in Brazil is just ridiculous "Later, Bruce helps the factory owner repair a machine. He cuts himself, a few drops of blood landing on the bottle conveyer belt. Bruce quickly cleans it up, but misses a drop that landed in a bottle…Later, at the office of GENERAL THUNDERBOLT ROSS, MAJOR CABOT reports that a woman got gamma sickness from a South American soda."

The simple idea of Banner, one of the most intelligent persons in the world, having help to find the cure is stupid to say the least.
But even more when that helper is someone he doesn´t know, which means that he is talking with some stranger about the fact that he changes into a green goliath.
This is just moronic.
And better yet, Sterns actually "finds" a cure, which just shows how average Banner is as a scientist.

Blonksky´s progressive change until becaming the Abomination is so cliché is not even funny.

And there is more.....

To all the ppl that are giving IH a hard time about saying the script sucks;

even though i don't agree with his assessment of the material, i think it's wise to keep in mind that this is probably how the general public will probabaly react to the news that yet another Hulk movie is coming out, thanks to the sour taste Ang's Hulk left in alot of ppls mouths.

Promoting this movie as having nothing to do with Ang's movie is the best way to go. All those saying and hoping that this movie will feel like a continuation of Ang's Hulk because of Banner being in South America and whatnot, are really asking for this movie to fail at the box office, whether you believe that or not.

[FrostBite]

Listen EB. I don't want the whole bomb thing stucked in the movie... I just can't live with this stuff about Bruce testing the super soldier serum(or whatever it is) on himself, intentionally and... bam! Here's the Hulk!
This is from UU, and I hate UU, and in UU Bruce Banner is an as***le, Betty is a b**ch and the Hulk is a cannibal killer!
What I can't understand is: why they are trying to re-do the origin in a way that is a lot more far from the CB than that from the first one is. The biggest fans complaint with the first movie was that it ****ed up with origins... and now we go in a new, totally different way? It doesn't make sense for me...
I say, just let it in a doubt, is not necessary to explain everything... just set the story in a vague and "very artful" way. It is not so diffycult imo.-

I agree to an extent, as I do hate the Ultimate Version of the character... but because of the character not his origin.

An example is the DVD movies of "Ulimate Avengers" I thought they took 616 and Ultimate and blended it. He was still a bit crazed (Banner), but more so out of desperation. I felt sorry for him in the movie (and especially the second), DESPITE him causing his own transformation into the Hulk. Also, despite that they took the origin of Ultimate, they didn't make Hulk into some sex-crazed cannibal, which nearly made me puke in the comics. (At least I believe he was the cause of his own trasformation in these movies, it's been awhile so correct me if I am wrong, I'll willingly admit my mistake.)


If this movie can make me feel sorry for him, despite it being his own mistake like the cartoon, then bravo. I don't mind a mixing of the two, but I certainly don't want the sex-crazed Hulk or jacka** Bruce. But for some reason a serum doesn't make him any less of a victim, or make me feel any less sorry for him. He didn't have the intent of becoming a monster after all.

Take for example... Spider-man, it's his fault that his uncle died in the film. (Well, until the 3rd...) But did I feel any less sorry for him because he was to fault for his uncles demise? Not really. In fact it makes you feel more sorry for him, because why would I have cared if a crazed man just shot his uncle? (I never cared when Batman's parents died anyway.)

On the other hand, you and some others who hate the serum, are right about one big thing, that he ISN'T a hero anymore. Because he doesn't save someone in the begining. Bummer.

I'm still holding out to see if they were refering to his father, experimenting on himself when all "Hell broke lose." as it sounds nearly identical like the first movie, creating soldiers that could regenerate, time running out, the project closing down etc. Just sounds all to familiar, plus, gamma radiated blood... if it were only the serum, no gamma would be involved. So if he DID take the serum himself, he obviously had another accident that triggered the whole thing. *Cough* could still be gamma related accident *Cough*!

Remember, Blonsky DOESN'T transform because of the serum. Only when Bruce's blood is introduced... something else is there, and everyone is over looking it.

[James T. Kirk]

just set the story in a vague and "very artful" way.

Vague pisses a lot of people off.

[James T. Kirk]

All those saying and hoping that this movie will feel like a continuation of Ang's Hulk because of Banner being in South America and whatnot, are really asking for this movie to fail at the box office, whether you believe that or not.

At this point, it is sounding a lot like it's just a sequel.

[FrostBite]

Vague pisses a lot of people off.

Yeah but coming from someone who didn't even like the film, a lot of people are idiots.

[Sava]

lol....people need to relax, i'm sorry but the Gamma Bomb doesnt make the Hulk, as a character i mean, if there's no bomb, it doesnt mean thats not the real Hulk. I agree with EB on this, there are just being PC, you cant have one of the heroes of your movie working on creating something thats more powerful than an A-bomb. IMO, the serum is a substitute for genetic tampering from the first one, Bruce still needs Gamma stuff to turn into Hulk, like Abomb needs it at the end.

IMO, even though this movie seems to be soooooo different from what i was expecting, i think this'll be good/better than Ang's. Why?.... it seems to have everything that Ang's didnt and it seems to do eveything Ang did right too.

[James T. Kirk]

IMO, even though this movie seems to be soooooo different from what i was expecting, i think this'll be good/better than Ang's. Why?.... it seems to have everything that Ang's didnt and it seems to do eveything Ang did right too.

Thing is, a movie that's being promoted as a reboot is just basically turning out to be the Hulk's answer to Superman Returns, a vague semi-sequel that messes with the preceding continuity but doesn't really start everything afresh like Kevin Feige said.

[FrostBite]

lol....people need to relax, i'm sorry but the Gamma Bomb doesnt make the Hulk, as a character i mean, if there's no bomb, it doesnt mean thats not the real Hulk. I agree with EB on this, there are just being PC, you cant have one of the heroes of your movie working on creating something thats more powerful than an A-bomb. IMO, the serum is a substitute for genetic tampering from the first one, Bruce still needs Gamma stuff to turn into Hulk, like Abomb needs it at the end.

IMO, even though this movie seems to be soooooo different from what i was expecting, i think this'll be good/better than Ang's. Why?.... it seems to have everything that Ang's didnt and it seems to do eveything Ang did right too.

WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH SAVA!?!? :wow:



:oldrazz: But no, I totally agree about the gamma bomb thing, yes it's what we know, but it does not DEFINE the Hulk, it just does not flesh out the character.

[FrostBite]

Thing is, a movie that's being promoted as a reboot is just basically turning out to be the Hulk's answer to Superman Returns, a vague semi-sequel that messes with the preceding continuity but doesn't really start everything afresh like Kevin Feige said.

Yeah and Avi Arad said we'd see enough of Galactus, get over it, they lie.

[Sava]

Thing is, a movie that's being promoted as a reboot is just basically turning out to be the Hulk's answer to Superman Returns, a vague semi-sequel that messes with the preceding continuity but doesn't really start everything afresh like Kevin Feige said. but thats the thing,its not a vague sequel. this is basically a new superhero movie that starts years AFTER the character turns into whatever the hell he is. Its like starting Spidey 1 after uncle Ben's death and going on from there. The only thing this movie has in connection with Ang's is Brazil. But, Brazil has been used in the comics way before too.

[Sava]

WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH SAVA!?!? :wow:



:oldrazz: But no, I totally agree about the gamma bomb thing, yes it's what we know, but it does not DEFINE the Hulk, it just does not flesh out the character.
lol, thank you. the G-bomb didnt create Hulk, it just gave him a way out. Bruce using himself as a test subject doesnt really have to mean he's a cocky prick, it could be that the guy is so into his work, he'll stop at nothing to get what he wants. Bruce WAS a prick in the first six issues of Stans Hulk. You really didnt feel sorry for him back then, i didnt anyway.

[James T. Kirk]

a new superhero movie that starts years AFTER the character turns into whatever the hell he is.

Great, a story without a beginning. I just love those. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to wait another 20 years for them to do the origin story right, :csad: .

[Ahura Mazda]

I voted not sure yet as noone can be sure until we see a bit more then just a script review of part of the movie. I do not like everything about it as it seems they could make several Abominations from what i read but then again I am only a spectator and not someone who is financing this movie so what do I know...

[Sava]

Great, a story without a beginning. I just love those. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to wait another 20 years for them to do the origin story right, :csad: .
lol, this is where i respect ED for what he's doing, IMO, the story would be much more interesting, if you start it from 3, then go to 4 while at the same time showing/telling you what happened at 1 and 2. You will have a beginning, the movie just wont start there.

[YJ1]

An example is the DVD movies of "Ulimate Avengers" I thought they took 616 and Ultimate and blended it. He was still a bit crazed (Banner), but more so out of desperation. I felt sorry for him in the movie (and especially the second), DESPITE him causing his own transformation into the Hulk. Also, despite that they took the origin of Ultimate, they didn't make Hulk into some sex-crazed cannibal, which nearly made me puke in the comics. (At least I believe he was the cause of his own trasformation in these movies, it's been awhile so correct me if I am wrong, I'll willingly admit my mistake.)

If this movie can make me feel sorry for him, despite it being his own mistake like the cartoon, then bravo.

AMEN to that! This fanboy nitpicking at this stage is ridiculous, but what else is new?

[Hugebear]

IMO, even though this movie seems to be soooooo different from what i was expecting, i think this'll be good/better than Ang's. Why?.... it seems to have everything that Ang's didnt and it seems to do eveything Ang did right too.

:up:Ang Lee’s Hulk was good, so naturally we want TIH to be as good or better. This movie has the Abomination, which is it's greatest addition.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

No, not really. I do believe you will go see it. Because think about it, you are a fan and look how loyal you are towards Ang Lee's version (which I thought was both good and bad). Example, I'm pretty sure you have a favorite team that you follow whether they are good or bad. Now you're loyal to your team and someone comes along and bashes your team. Now, I know people are intitled to speak their minds, but you defend your team regardless. That was my stance. Nothing personal, just a generalized statement. It doesn't mean it was targeted towards everyone, just those who are not Hulk fans and comment on the forum just to do so.

If the movie is ****, which it is looking to ME at the moment i wont be going to see it, just because i like or support something doesnt mean i will accept it when someone ****s about with and ruins it. I will always be a Hulk fan, but if i dont like the way they go with the movie, i dont want to waste the money I have worked hard to earn on going to see a ****ty movie.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

:up:Ang Lee’s Hulk was good, so naturally we want TIH to be as good or better. This movie has the Abomination, which is it's greatest addition.

I want nothing more for TIH to be better, but i just dont see why they cant make a movie that will please the majority of people, X2 did it, Spidey 2 did it and Batman Begins did it, it isnt that hard.