America...the Thread

[rdh007]

I agree. It's sad that the governing body insists on lowering taxes, while at the same time cutting government programs for poor or under-educated children in an attempt to balance the checkbook. And then in a completely self-defeatist move, increase defense spending beyond all reasonable bounds.
I don't mind the cuts to match the tax cuts, but what I mind is that they didn't have the guts to cut enough. They could've said--we'll get rid of everything but the DOD and I'd have disagreed whole-heartedly but I could understand. I just wish they would've made more cuts or cut less taxes. As I said, Clinton was a great Republican.

[Mr Sparkle]

Actually, the President has virtually no affect on the economy. Most of the economy hinges on the consumers who support it, not those that make the budgets and etc.

again.


Incorrect.

[XtromaniaK]

again.


Incorrect.

Haha. Again, you're wrong. Maybe you should take a basic Econ class. The economy hinges predominantly on the habits of the consumer and the resource markets to consumer markets, etc. The President has little affect on the economy, and this is basic ****.

If you want to prove me wrong, go ahead. But saying "incorrect" like some pompous d-bag isn't making anyone smarter.

[Bubonic]

Things can always get worse. Bad as america is, there's places where genocide and rape and murder are as common as Tex-Mex restaurants here. It's sad that we actually bemoan how "horrible" it is in the USA when there is real and vicious suffering going on in other parts of the world.

Politics will ALWAYS be @ucked up. No one will ever be completely happy with their government or the choices they make. You try and make changes you feel are important when you can. You do your best to make life better. That's all any of us can do. Most just prefer to sit around and complain but not act in any way.


We must realize though, that the reason why so many countries have awful things happening to them is a trickle down consequence of first, colonial occupation, and the way America often has endorsed tyrants, as it is often economically beneficial to them.

Plus your right about people not acting, we don't live in full fledge democracies, in a lot of ways there is definitely more freedom, yet we are not involved in hardly any of the decisions made.

[Kritish]

If America knew what's good for it we'd establish a non-interventionist foreign policy. I don't know about the rest of you but I'm tired of policing the globe.

[Mr Sparkle]

Haha. Again, you're wrong. Maybe you should take a basic Econ class. The economy hinges predominantly on the habits of the consumer and the resource markets to consumer markets, etc. The President has little affect on the economy, and this is basic ****.

If you want to prove me wrong, go ahead. But saying "incorrect" like some pompous d-bag isn't making anyone smarter.

LOL, you know what basic **** is?
the spelling of "effect" see?
the President can "affect" the economy, therefore he has an "effect"

get it?

but that whole "try to sound smart" thing you did?
cute. adorable even.
re-read your own statement, then put your yellow thinking cap on and really strain those brain cells.
ask yourself.

"do policies and economic strategies put in place by a given President affect the habits of the American consumer?"

"do economic incentives for a higher strata of society affect how another strata of society would spend it's income? what if the lower strata has less "disposable" income due to said economic policies?"

"how do said policies enacted by said President affect consumer confidence and other key elements of a healthy economy?"

"why am I, XtromaniaK, such a gigantic douche?"

see? but these are questions you should have been asking a long time ago, like when you took that awesome "econ" *snickers* class.:whatever:
but you're right, I highly doubt this is going to make you any smarter.

[XtromaniaK]

LOL, you know what basic **** is?
the spelling of "effect" see?
the President can "affect" the economy, therefore he has an "effect"


You know affect means to influence. Effect means the result. I was using affect in the grammatically correct context. Nice try though, what with trying to teach someone who probably knows much more than you English.


but that whole "try to sound smart" thing you did?
cute. adorable even.
re-read your own statement, then put your yellow thinking cap on and really strain those brain cells.
ask yourself.


I don't have to try to sound smart, I don't even have to strain myself in the least to "sound smart". The big difference between you and I is that I am endowed with intelligence, whereas you are not.

"do policies and economic strategies put in place by a given President affect the habits of the American consumer?"

Most often than not, they do not. American consumers still "consume" gas like there's no tomorrow, regardless of the "president's" war. Consumers have certain habits that aren't broken or noticeably changed by change in policy. The economy depends on the consumer much more than the policies of the president. The fact that you can't discern this is mortifying.

Unless of course, you're saying that the Great Depression was a direct result of the White House's policies. Or that the stock market crash was caused by the government and not the panick of the public.


"do economic incentives for a higher strata of society affect how another strata of society would spend it's income? what if the lower strata has less "disposable" income due to said economic policies?"


Most often than not, no. You fail to see that people's spending habits tend to follow a particular pattern regardless of the White House's policy. If anything, the Congress has more control over the economy. But even then, that's nothing compared to the power the average commodified consumer whore has en masse.

"how do said policies enacted by said President affect consumer confidence and other key elements of a healthy economy?"

They don't in any big way. Sure, we have a deficit. Has that really caused that great of damage to the U.S.'s economy in comparison to other economic factors? No.

"why am I, XtromaniaK, such a gigantic douche?"

I tend to get that way when morons like you spout off about **** you have zero knowledge in.


see? but these are questions you should have been asking a long time ago, like when you took that awesome "econ" *snickers* class.:whatever:
but you're right, I highly doubt this is going to make you any smarter.

Congratulations for proving absolutely nothing. Besides the extent of your stupidity.

[Mr Sparkle]

You know affect means to influence. Effect means the result. I was using affect in the grammatically correct context. Nice try though, what with trying to teach someone who probably knows much more than you English.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!:woot:


I don't have to try to sound smart, I don't even have to strain myself in the least to "sound smart". The big difference between you and I is that I am endowed with intelligence, whereas you are not.

yeah, that whole "much more than you English" totally backs up THAT statement.
boy is MY face red.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!



Most often than not, they do not. American consumers still "consume" gas like there's no tomorrow, regardless of the "president's" war. Consumers have certain habits that aren't broken or noticeably changed by change in policy. The economy depends on the consumer much more than the policies of the president. The fact that you can't discern this is mortifying.

LOL, again.
way to TRY and sound smart, but you didn't actually say anything did you?
you placed one example ( one bad example)then said something completely unrelated to said example and didn't back it up.
but yeah...I'm sure you're "mortified"(I'm also sure you think the meaning of "mortified" has something to do with Zombies, but you're not quite sure).
uh...yeah, way to say nothing except something comparable to "Nuh-uh"


Unless of course, you're saying that the Great Depression was a direct result of the White House's policies. Or that the stock market crash was caused by the government and not the panick of the public.

LOL, what's "panick" mean anyway? is it like "panic" but for the cool "internets" crowd?:huh: or maybe just the people that "know more than me English" who's to say?
but no, I'm not saying THAT.
why would I? when were talking about the effects of a President on consumer confidence.
I'm talking about the effects of economic policies on the spending habits of a populace.
I mean, you CAN trot out an unrelated example like the depression.
but.
at your own risk.
because see, there's a lot of different views on what exactly caused the Great Depression.
and guess what?

government deficit spending is ONE of those explanations.
so while I had not initially considered the Depression relevant to my argument you have gone and made it not only relevant, but you have unwittingly (as most of your life probably happens, due to lack of wit) made an argument in my favor.

so thanks for that! :up:



Most often than not, no. You fail to see that people's spending habits tend to follow a particular pattern regardless of the White House's policy. If anything, the Congress has more control over the economy. But even then, that's nothing compared to the power the average commodified consumer whore has en masse.

man, for an internet Genius, you use a lot of concepts you don't really seem to understand.
but, you failed again.
lack of disposable income has been cited, over and over again as a cause for a decrease in spending. It's actually mentioned at least once every Christmas shopping season.
just last Monday I was watching the Today show and they had a report of probable sales that the larger retailers might have due to fear of low turnout after black Friday.
one of the reasons cited?
"less disposable income" so, actually, less disposable income HAS an effect on the economy more often than not.
how ironic is THAT ****?
I mean, It was kind of logical, but I CAN see how you'd miss it.

They don't in any big way. Sure, we have a deficit. Has that really caused that great of damage to the U.S.'s economy in comparison to other economic factors? No.

I like how so far, you have failed to back up any statement you have made.
I'd also like a list of those other economic factors.
fact is, consumer confidence is KEY in the economy and in the modern economy the economic policies and the POLITICS that a given countries President engages in are a very important factor.
the continuing, and rather baffling delusion you live in notwithstanding.
I know you won't like to hear this.
but people smarter than me, and vastly smarter than you have argued about just how much influence any President has over the economy.
they range from people that blame EVERYTHING on the President to people that think that Presidents hold almost no effect.
now, do I think that a War abroad affects an economy?
yeah, I do.
maybe you don't, but really that's just you.



I tend to get that way when morons like you spout off about **** you have zero knowledge in.

yeah, you have provided SOOOO much to back up your argument.
wait, you kind of didn't.
so.

uh...

that must be awkward for you.


Congratulations for proving absolutely nothing. Besides the extent of your stupidity.

uh...yeah.
sorry.

I bow to both your little knowledge of basic economics.
and your mad, mad skills ( by which I mean "complete incompetence") at sentence construction.

uh, Kudos on that.

sure showed me.

[LexCorp]

If America knew what's good for it we'd establish a non-interventionist foreign policy. I don't know about the rest of you but I'm tired of policing the globe.

Police the globe....that's a stretch. We all look after each other and given the strength of the £ you may not have to bother with it much longer ;)

[Memphis Slim]

If America knew what's good for it we'd establish a non-interventionist foreign policy. I don't know about the rest of you but I'm tired of policing the globe.


So what you're saying is , if the U.S. sees trouble brewing for itself or its allies, don't do anything? Just let it happen?

[LexCorp]

So what you're saying is , if the U.S. sees trouble brewing for itself or its allies, don't do anything? Just let it happen?

The EU will soon be able to take care of itself....

:woot:

[Memphis Slim]

Like Peter Parker let the thief get away, because it wasn't his problem,:whatever: he soon saw how it did effect him, just a short time later. I know that's a comic book reference. But there's some truth in that.

[Memphis Slim]

Things can always get worse. Bad as america is, there's places where genocide and rape and murder are as common as Tex-Mex restaurants here. It's sad that we actually bemoan how "horrible" it is in the USA when there is real and vicious suffering going on in other parts of the world.

We're spoiled.


Politics will ALWAYS be @ucked up. No one will ever be completely happy with their government or the choices they make. You try and make changes you feel are important when you can. You do your best to make life better. That's all any of us can do. Most just prefer to sit around and complain but not act in any way.

Bush is a terrible president but we haven't had a decent one, IMO, for as long as I've been alive. Seeing how the next elections are gearing up I may not see one for the rest of my life either. It's not so much a tragedy, few times generations we get to have a truely great leader, most people never get to experience that. I'll just have to settle with not relying on a magical leader to fix things and do what I can in my own small way.


You have a very common sense view on this.

[LexCorp]

Like Peter Parker let the thief get away, because it wasn't his problem,:whatever: he soon saw how it did effect him, just a short time later. I know that's a comic book reference. But there's some truth in that.

Great power comes great responsibility :woot:

[Memphis Slim]

Great power comes great responsibility :woot:


Aye Aye Captain!!! :woot:

[shapeshifter]

America really depends on what side of the fence you are on.
those people that can make it work its a great place to exploit your surroundings for your own benefit
for those outside looking in it seems like a society on the brink, obsessed with its own excess. Violent, petulant and obese. Like a spoiled fat little rich kid that has not had to work for a living, and just sponges off past generations.

[LexCorp]

America really depends on what side of the fence you are on.
those people that can make it work its a great place to exploit your surroundings for your own benefit
for those outside looking in it seems like a society on the brink, obsessed with its own excess. Violent, petulant and obese. Like a spoiled fat little rich kid that has not had to work for a living, and just sponges off past generations.

Well that statement depends as you say on where you are in this world at any given moment.

I see the USA as a place to exploit for my own benefit. As the UK currently does not offer me what I need to accomplish my goals.

I have seen many places in the world and the USA is just ahead at present.

[moraldeficiency]

We must realize though, that the reason why so many countries have awful things happening to them is a trickle down consequence of first, colonial occupation, and the way America often has endorsed tyrants, as it is often economically beneficial to them.

Plus your right about people not acting, we don't live in full fledge democracies, in a lot of ways there is definitely more freedom, yet we are not involved in hardly any of the decisions made.

War and any other conflict thoughout history is always started by the same thing: greed. Someone wants what someone else has so they try and take it. It's actually much more simple than you make it out to be. Countries have awful things happening in them because others don't act or allow their neighbors to do whatever. (I'm not endorsing the US attacking a bunch of other countries here, but maybe when someone tries to commit genocide we shouldn't be so eager to look the other way concerned with how good a mother Brittney Spears is. This goes for any country with the power to help, not just the US)

Nothing is ever perfect. I love how people will try for some lofty cause, march against some great injustice they have little effect on, but have no problem ignoring their neighbors and communities entirely. If we worry and help with what we can have an impact on and others do the same, then most of the big problems won't be able to start.

[LexCorp]

War and any other conflict thoughout history is always started by the same thing: greed. Someone wants what someone else has so they try and take it. It's actually much more simple than you make it out to be. Countries have awful things happening in them because others don't act or allow their neighbors to do whatever. (I'm not endorsing the US attacking a bunch of other countries here, but maybe when someone tries to commit genocide we shouldn't be so eager to look the other way concerned with how good a mother Brittney Spears is. This goes for any country with the power to help, not just the US)

Nothing is ever perfect. I love how people will try for some lofty cause, march against some great injustice they have little effect on, but have no problem ignoring their neighbors and communities entirely. If we worry and help with what we can have an impact on and others do the same, then most of the big problems won't be able to start.

I great idea and I would love to help, but I feel like taking care of myself first. Does this make me a bad person? Ask not what your country can do you for, ask what you can do for your country.....meh

For me that should be the other way around.

[moraldeficiency]

I great idea and I would love to help, but I feel like taking care of myself first. Does this make me a bad person? Ask not what your country can do you for, ask what you can do for your country.....meh

For me that should be the other way around.

Taking care of your immediate surrondings is taking care of yourself. If you take an interest in your neighborhood and don't hide from problems you'll be in a safer place. People just don't care about that until they're mugged, raped or have a kid molested by Barry that quiet guy two houses down.

[LexCorp]

Taking care of your immediate surrondings is taking care of yourself. If you take an interest in your neighborhood and don't hide from problems you'll be in a safer place. People just don't care about that until they're mugged, raped or have a kid molested by Barry that quiet guy two houses down.

I see what you mean yes I would want to take care of my immediate surrondings first and work from there.

[moraldeficiency]

That's all I'm saying, if each person gives a @hit about the people they deal with in their daily lives and try to help where they can bigger problems don't really arise so much. This is far more effective than just giving money or marching on Washington, plus no sharing buses with smelly hippies.

[shapeshifter]

Well that statement depends as you say on where you are in this world at any given moment.

I see the USA as a place to exploit for my own benefit. As the UK currently does not offer me what I need to accomplish my goals.

I have seen many places in the world and the USA is just ahead at present.

i agree, but the problem is this
there are to many corrupt people in the US of A that treat it like a bottomless pit of resources. It has given them an over inflated sense of worth and a deflated sense of conservation.
Aside from that, the odd need that the US citizens seem to have, of butting in to every other countries problems and impose their democratic system has caused strife and disillusionment in myself and many others.

[Darthphere]

Like Peter Parker let the thief get away, because it wasn't his problem,:whatever: he soon saw how it did effect him, just a short time later. I know that's a comic book reference. But there's some truth in that.

Yeah, it's like how the US gets involved in other people's problems instead of letting them get away and then thousands of our soldiers die while they go on vacation and we continue to find idiotic ways to justify being there in the first place. Yeah, it's kind of like that.

[LexCorp]

That's all I'm saying, if each person gives a @hit about the people they deal with in their daily lives and try to help where they can bigger problems don't really arise so much. This is far more effective than just giving money or marching on Washington, plus no sharing buses with smelly hippies.

As long as it helps in the long run it's cool...

i agree, but the problem is this
there are to many corrupt people in the US of A that treat it like a bottomless pit of resources. It has given them an over inflated sense of worth and a deflated sense of conservation.
Aside from that, the odd need that the US citizens seem to have, of butting in to every other countries problems and impose their democratic system has caused strife and disillusionment in myself and many others.

I would not say I am corrupt it's just that the UK can not provide what I need in business terms. Which is why I need the USA.

[moraldeficiency]

i agree, but the problem is this
there are to many corrupt people in the US of A that treat it like a bottomless pit of resources. It has given them an over inflated sense of worth and a deflated sense of conservation.
Aside from that, the odd need that the US citizens seem to have, of butting in to every other countries problems and impose their democratic system has caused strife and disillusionment in myself and many others.

So you agree that the US is a good place to exploit for your own benefit then go on to complain about the corrupt people in the US that treat it like a bottomless pit of resources??? So it's cool for people in other countries to do it, but not for the people living in the country? I know you're talking about resources but if you're using the US for your benefit and the US misuses resources to run itself then you're contributing to the misuse of resources as well.

Look I'm not saying people shouldn't exploit places and situations for their own benefit. Everyone does that in one form or another, but aren't you being extremely contridictory?

Everyone has an overrated sense of self worth. My life is one of the most important things to me, I'd pay almost anything to keep it as you would pay to keep yours; however, I wouldn't pay anything to save your life nor would you to save mine. Now before you say how cold that is and how of course you would save someone consider how many have starved to death or died of disease that a small amount of money contributed by you could have saved. We are only important to ourselves, the world could car less about what lives on its shell.

[LexCorp]

So you agree that the US is a good place to exploit for your own benefit then go on to complain about the corrupt people in the US that treat it like a bottomless pit of resources??? So it's cool for people in other countries to do it, but not for the people living in the country? I know you're talking about resources but if you're using the US for your benefit and the US misuses resources to run itself then you're contributing to the misuse of resources as well.

Look I'm not saying people shouldn't exploit places and situations for their own benefit. Everyone does that in one form or another, but aren't you being extremely contridictory?

Everyone has an overrated sense of self worth. My life is one of the most important things to me, I'd pay almost anything to keep it as you would pay to keep yours; however, I wouldn't pay anything to save your life nor would you to save mine. Now before you say how cold that is and how of course you would save someone consider how many have starved to death or died of disease that a small amount of money contributed by you could have saved. We are only important to ourselves, the world could car less about what lives on its shell.

There is one life in fact two that I would do anything for to save. My mother and fiance. I see them as the only other two people on EARTH who take a higher place in my mind.

[moraldeficiency]

There is one life in fact two that I would do anything for to save. My mother and fiance. I see them as the only other two people on EARTH who take a higher place in my mind.

Exactely, I care about my family first, my girlfriend second, my close friends third and then myself. There are billions of people in the world I honestly do not give a @hit about, or at least that I've never helped or thought of for even a moment.

[LexCorp]

Exactely, I care about my family first, my girlfriend second, my close friends third and then myself. There are billions of people in the world I honestly do not give a @hit about, or at least that I've never helped or thought of for even a moment.

Human nature to look after our own clan.

[shapeshifter]

So you agree that the US is a good place to exploit for your own benefit then go on to complain about the corrupt people in the US that treat it like a bottomless pit of resources??? So it's cool for people in other countries to do it, but not for the people living in the country? I know you're talking about resources but if you're using the US for your benefit and the US misuses resources to run itself then you're contributing to the misuse of resources as well.

Look I'm not saying people shouldn't exploit places and situations for their own benefit. Everyone does that in one form or another, but aren't you being extremely contridictory?

Everyone has an overrated sense of self worth. My life is one of the most important things to me, I'd pay almost anything to keep it as you would pay to keep yours; however, I wouldn't pay anything to save your life nor would you to save mine. Now before you say how cold that is and how of course you would save someone consider how many have starved to death or died of disease that a small amount of money contributed by you could have saved. We are only important to ourselves, the world could car less about what lives on its shell.
right.
i agree that it is a good place to make money, but i do not agree with the over use and the uneven distribution. 5% of the people control 95% of the wealth. How can you support that system? If anything the USA should be a world resource not a place to breed a few mega millionaires.

[LexCorp]

right.
i agree that it is a good place to make money, but i do not agree with the over use and the uneven distribution. 5% of the people control 95% of the wealth. How can you support that system? If anything the USA should be a world resource not a place to breed a few mega millionaires.

Nah LexCorp = future USA bred mega millionaire

[moraldeficiency]

right.
i agree that it is a good place to make money, but i do not agree with the over use and the uneven distribution. 5% of the people control 95% of the wealth. How can you support that system? If anything the USA should be a world resource not a place to breed a few mega millionaires.

That's a cool little fact there, but that's also true of anywhere else in the world as well. The rich are few and powerful the rest of us feed that machine. I've been to six continents and I can say honestly it's the same all over.

If you make money off the US then you're profitting in some way from the misuse of resources. So you're not only part of the problem but also a hypocrite. Sorry but you're either against something or for it. The Swiss sided with the Nazi's during WW2 because they did buisness with them. If you want to make a difference you should only do buisness with people that further your utopian vision or do you just think others should be put out while you profit through any means?

The world idealistically should be a very different place with puppies and flowers and people hugging each other. Unfortunately humans are by nature flawed (I'm not talking god here, just human nature) and so incapable of a perfect balanced state.

[LexCorp]

That's a cool little fact there, but that's also true of anywhere else in the world as well. The rich are few and powerful the rest of us feed that machine. I've been to six continents and I can say honestly it's the same all over.

If you make money off the US then you're profitting in some way from the misuse of resources. So you're not only part of the problem but also a hypocrite. Sorry but you're either against something or for it. The Swiss sided with the Nazi's during WW2 because they did buisness with them. If you want to make a difference you should only do buisness with people that further your utopian vision or do you just think others should be put out while you profit through any means?

The world idealistically should be a very different place with puppies and flowers and people hugging each other. Unfortunately humans are by nature flawed (I'm not talking god here, just human nature) and so incapable of a perfect balanced state.

Like I said human nature is the big factor here in why it is the way it is.

[shapeshifter]

That's a cool little fact there, but that's also true of anywhere else in the world as well. The rich are few and powerful the rest of us feed that machine. I've been to six continents and I can say honestly it's the same all over.

If you make money off the US then you're profitting in some way from the misuse of resources. So you're not only part of the problem but also a hypocrite. Sorry but you're either against something or for it. The Swiss sided with the Nazi's during WW2 because they did buisness with them. If you want to make a difference you should only do buisness with people that further your utopian vision or do you just think others should be put out while you profit through any means?

The world idealistically should be a very different place with puppies and flowers and people hugging each other. Unfortunately humans are by nature flawed (I'm not talking god here, just human nature) and so incapable of a perfect balanced state.
agreed
and with great personal restraint i abstain from "opening a big can of worms"
lets just agree to disagree

[LexCorp]

agreed
and with great personal restraint i abstain from "opening a big can of worms"
lets just agree to disagree

Well that wrapped up ver well.

I think we should all agree to a drink now.

[shapeshifter]

Well that wrapped up ver well.

I think we should all agree to a drink now.
I like the way you think

[LexCorp]

I like the way you think

Cheers to 5% lol

[moraldeficiency]

Well that wrapped up ver well.

I think we should all agree to a drink now.

You mean you guys aren't already drunk? Sad state when you expect to drunkenly debate politics on a comic book board but only find sober people. You're all sucking the fun out of this.

[LexCorp]

You mean you guys aren't already drunk? Sad state when you expect to drunkenly debate politics on a comic book board but only find sober people. You're all sucking the fun out of this.

:woot:

Wise guy

[moraldeficiency]

Hey I only post when I'm at work and I make it a rule never to work sober.

[LexCorp]

Hey I only post when I'm at work and I make it a rule never to work sober.

Hey how is Florida...I hear it is dry as of late.

[moraldeficiency]

Hey how is Florida...I hear it is dry as of late.

Been raining off and on as always, we had a very dry spell but it's changed with the storms coming off the coast, last weekend I was even able to surf a bit thanks to the storms.

[LexCorp]

Been raining off and on as always, we had a very dry spell but it's changed with the storms coming off the coast, last weekend I was even able to surf a bit thanks to the storms.

Point Break surfing?

Did you rob a bank afterwards?

[moraldeficiency]

Point Break surfing?

Did you rob a bank afterwards?

More like waves barely big enough to surf surfing, and if you mention the ankbay obberyray again I will have to kill you, I feel Keanu Reeves is closing in on me as we speak, if he makes me watch that magic mailbox movie I'll have to give up the rest of the gang. I can take torture, but that's just asking too much.

[bell110]

Do you guys think America could win an actual war with someone more on par with us?

[moraldeficiency]

Do you guys think America could win an actual war with someone more on par with us?

By actual war do you mean like WW2 or are you talking some half @ssed "peacekeeping" war like Iraq or Vietnam?

[LexCorp]

^ depends...against aliens?

More like waves barely big enough to surf surfing, and if you mention the ankbay obberyray again I will have to kill you, I feel Keanu Reeves is closing in on me as we speak, if he makes me watch that magic mailbox movie I'll have to give up the rest of the gang. I can take torture, but that's just asking too much.

Sorry won't mention it again

[Arkady Rossovich]

America has always given me the impression that not all people can "live the dream".As most just work to give that dream to others..this is what i see..

Upper Class
These people control everything.But not everyone knows it,they are always White and Asian.

Middle Class
These people run the economy.They can make it,but not all can.These are Whites and Asians who did not amount to their full potential.

Lower Class
These are people that work the economy,the middle class runs it.These are the minorities,Africans and Hispanics.

[moraldeficiency]

America has always given me the impression that not all people can "live the dream".As most just work to give that dream to others..this is what i see..

Upper Class
These people control everything.But not everyone knows it,they are always White and Asian.

Middle Class
These people run the economy.They can make it,but not all can.These are Whites and Asians who did not amount to their full potential.

Lower Class
These are people that work the economy,the middle class runs it.These are the minorities,Africans and Hispanics.

Only white and asians are in the upper class? That's laughable. Once you're rich you're rich, ethnicity has almost nothing to do with your life anymore. You begin relating to other rich people above everything else. But just to say there are rich blacks, hispanics and many natives as well. You have no idea what you're talking about in this. If you said the majority are white you'd be right, but "they are always" is just a stupid statement.

The middle class thing is insane for the same reasoning. The middle class is full of many races and some perhaps have reached their earning potential and others may (and I know this is gonna be a hard concept for you considering your "all americans are the devil" stance) have something more important than money which they choose to occupy themselves with like family.

You've clearly never been to west virgina or other parts of the country which have vast majority white populations and the some of (in WV case THE) poorest regions in the USA.

In conclusion, you're a racist, thanks for coming.

[Addendum]

He always talks out of his ass. He's taken the place of TheSumofGod as the Hype's clown that everyone ignores, but tosses some spare change at anyway

[Arkady Rossovich]

If everyone ignores me,then why do you reply?It is true.It's nothing to be racist,it's true.In the end,it's what people say."The truth hurts".Do what ever you want,but in the end..it won't be what you want.Lastly,your the ass because your signature confirms what i said.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u159/Jason_Voorhees_Shirt/1.jpg

[Addendum]

I only reply with mockery, so I don't pay attention to you that much. It's mostly "hey the guy with america up his/her ass posted again" and so more mockery issues forth

[shapeshifter]

huh
so a civil debate drew in a racial profiling shock-poster.
don't you just love the internet. When no one can see your face your more apt to say anything

[Addendum]

I'm the same in real life. Sarcasm, mockery, skepticism and misanthropy

[moraldeficiency]

If everyone ignores me,then why do you reply?It is true.It's nothing to be racist,it's true.In the end,it's what people say."The truth hurts".Do what ever you want,but in the end..it won't be what you want.Lastly,your the ass because your signature confirms what i said.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u159/Jason_Voorhees_Shirt/1.jpg

I don't ignore you, I think you're funny. Like a little hitler with your cute little moustache yelling hate and bigotry and I just keep picturing you getting red in the face as you denounce whole nations of people and throw in some good old school racism for fun. I know hitler was a monster but he was a funny looking little guy, it's how I picture you.

The truth hurts? Really? That's what you've got for us? You make a racist and incredibly false statement and say the truth hurts? I think you should look up that big word "truth" cause you're not using it correctly.

"Do what ever you want,but in the end..it won't be what you want." ????
What the hell does this mean? Anyone?

[shapeshifter]

I don't ignore you, I think you're funny. Like a little hitler with your cute little moustache yelling hate and bigotry and I just keep picturing you getting red in the face as you denounce whole nations of people and throw in some good old school racism for fun. I know hitler was a monster but he was a funny looking little guy, it's how I picture you.

The truth hurts? Really? That's what you've got for us? You make a racist and incredibly false statement and say the truth hurts? I think you should look up that big word "truth" cause you're not using it correctly.

"Do what ever you want,but in the end..it won't be what you want." ????
What the hell does this mean? Anyone?
it means that not every quote is worth remembering

[Memphis Slim]

Yeah, it's like how the US gets involved in other people's problems instead of letting them get away and then thousands of our soldiers die while they go on vacation and we continue to find idiotic ways to justify being there in the first place. Yeah, it's kind of like that.


No it's not.

[bell110]

I meant a real war where american actually had to make sacrifices, there was a draft, and everybody knew somebody who was fighting. Maybe even foreign troops bretched our shores.

[XtromaniaK]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!:woot:


LOLZ!!!111 Reading comprehension ftw.


yeah, that whole "much more than you English" totally backs up THAT statement.
boy is MY face red.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


Did you read the whole ****ing sentence, or did you just see a section that made no sense to you and decided it "hilarious". Read again, cujo. "what with trying to teach /someone who probably knows alot more than you/ English". I guess you couldn't get it the first time so I'll add two commas to seperate it for you. what with trying to teach someone, who probably knows alot more than you, English. My mistake. I thought you would've had enough of a brain to understand it. Honest to goodness misguided view.

But let's not let this devolve into a grammar nitpick-fest, shant we?



LOL, again.
way to TRY and sound smart, but you didn't actually say anything did you?
you placed one example ( one bad example)then said something completely unrelated to said example and didn't back it up.
but yeah...I'm sure you're "mortified"(I'm also sure you think the meaning of "mortified" has something to do with Zombies, but you're not quite sure).
uh...yeah, way to say nothing except something comparable to "Nuh-uh"


Did you ever take an economics class? Or did you bribe the teachers to let your dumb ass squeak out of high school? I'll make this simpler for your obviously ailing mind: Consumers have habits that are not changed by policy. No matter what. They will buy milk, toilet paper, gas, car washes, or any kind of food or necessity until the end of time. This shows that, despite policy change, the President can not outright change the economy without actively pursuing a path akin to FDR.

Nice use of your p's and q's. Though, next time, make what you say mean something. Otherwise it's just alot of useless verbage. [As an aside, if you're wondering: being mortified is the feeling of intense dread or terror]


LOL, what's "panick" mean anyway? is it like "panic" but for the cool "internets" crowd?:huh: or maybe just the people that "know more than me English" who's to say?

Sorry, that's the past/present verb form of panic. (panicking, panicked) I slipped up once, oh well. Want me to correct your horrible sentence structure and grammar? Or is that enough for you?


why would I? when were talking about the effects of a President on consumer confidence.
I'm talking about the effects of economic policies on the spending habits of a populace.
I mean, you CAN trot out an unrelated example like the depression.
but.
at your own risk.


Really now? Because you were talking about how the president affected the economy. Economic policies (budget, etc.) tend to have little impact how we, as a populace, spend our money. Unless of course you're saying that the economy has significantly changed based on the president's spending and policies. And if you could provide examples, that'd be great.


government deficit spending is ONE of those explanations.
so while I had not initially considered the Depression relevant to my argument you have gone and made it not only relevant, but you have unwittingly (as most of your life probably happens, due to lack of wit) made an argument in my favor.

so thanks for that! :up:


One of the other, and more accepted, explanations is the wide use of CREDIT by the wide majority of American people. They tended to pay for most everything on credit. Well, when you can't pay back items on credit immediately, you find yourself paying larger, and larger sums. And debt starts to swell. Combine this with another one of the explanations, the rush after the stock market collapsed, and you have a volatile mix. People rushed to pull their money out of the banks during this period and this not only made plenty of banks fail, it wrecked one of the nation's key financial infrastructures. And the loss of money through being forced to pay back loans they couldn't afford to banks trying to sustain themselves led to job/pay cuts in many companies. Which led to a stagnant economy. People didn't have much money to spend those days. When consumers don't have money to spend, businesses suffer. This leads to an economic depression. We were pulled out of the depression by way of all of the work programs that the government started up as the situation got worse.


man, for an internet Genius, you use a lot of concepts you don't really seem to understand.
but, you failed again.
lack of disposable income has been cited, over and over again as a cause for a decrease in spending. It's actually mentioned at least once every Christmas shopping season.


Great. And how has the government's policies effected the income of workers thus far? What bill did the president support that caused all of these people to be without extra spending money? Who has control over how much these people are paid? Companies or the government?


just last Monday I was watching the Today show and they had a report of probable sales that the larger retailers might have due to fear of low turnout after black Friday.
one of the reasons cited?
"less disposable income" so, actually, less disposable income HAS an effect on the economy more often than not.
how ironic is THAT ****?
I mean, It was kind of logical, but I CAN see how you'd miss it.


Great. Prove how the president's policies caused this. I'm waiting.



I like how so far, you have failed to back up any statement you have made.
I'd also like a list of those other economic factors.
fact is, consumer confidence is KEY in the economy and in the modern economy the economic policies and the POLITICS that a given countries President engages in are a very important factor.


Have you? I mean, the droves of evidence you have given might have gone completely over my head.. but I don't see you supporting any of your "ideas" either. Provide an example, please.


the continuing, and rather baffling delusion you live in notwithstanding.
I know you won't like to hear this.
but people smarter than me, and vastly smarter than you have argued about just how much influence any President has over the economy.
they range from people that blame EVERYTHING on the President to people that think that Presidents hold almost no effect.
now, do I think that a War abroad affects an economy?
yeah, I do.


Wow. And even then.. who voted to go to war? The Congress, you say? Great, we're making progress then. The President can't actually reach out and change the economy without going through another body first. But even then, how much of an effect on the economy is the war having? Can you show me estimates? Guesstimates, even?



yeah, you have provided SOOOO much to back up your argument.
wait, you kind of didn't.
so.
uh...that must be awkward for you.


Ditto. :o


I bow to both your little knowledge of basic economics.
and your mad, mad skills ( by which I mean "complete incompetence") at sentence construction.


Wow, funniest thing I've read today. You can really claim I have bad sentence construction when there's so many things wrong with JUST THOSE TWO SENTENCES that my missteps pale in comparison. That's amazing.

uh, Kudos on that.

Kudos on proving to me that you are an idiot.

[Mr Sparkle]

LOLZ!!!111 Reading comprehension ftw.

LOL, only you can try and justify your obvious mistake as lack of reading comprehension on my part.


Did you read the whole ****ing sentence, or did you just see a section that made no sense to you and decided it "hilarious". Read again, cujo. "what with trying to teach /someone who probably knows alot more than you/ English". I guess you couldn't get it the first time so I'll add two commas to seperate it for you. what with trying to teach someone, who probably knows alot more than you, English. My mistake. I thought you would've had enough of a brain to understand it. Honest to goodness misguided view.

But let's not let this devolve into a grammar nitpick-fest, shant we?

AHAHAHAHAHAHA! you're still trying to justify your mistake!:woot:
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

"shant we?"

ahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!



Did you ever take an economics class? Or did you bribe the teachers to let your dumb ass squeak out of high school? I'll make this simpler for your obviously ailing mind: Consumers have habits that are not changed by policy. No matter what. They will buy milk, toilet paper, gas, car washes, or any kind of food or necessity until the end of time. This shows that, despite policy change, the President can not outright change the economy without actively pursuing a path akin to FDR.

I'm sorry, you are aware of the meaning of "disposable income" right?
and...uh...you mean, you finished high school?

I wouldn't go around disclosing that information, I had a little respect for you when I thought you were a real scrappy 11 year old.

now?

not so much.

Nice use of your p's and q's. Though, next time, make what you say mean something. Otherwise it's just alot of useless verbage. [As an aside, if you're wondering: being mortified is the feeling of intense dread or terror]

you meant "verbiage" the word "verbage" is a made up word.
god, it must be humiliating, all those neat words you thought would make you seem smart, and they don't even exist.:csad:


Sorry, that's the past/present verb form of panic. (panicking, panicked) I slipped up once, oh well. Want me to correct your horrible sentence structure and grammar? Or is that enough for you?

no, "panick" doesn't exist, it's simply "panic"

oh lord.:csad:




Really now? Because you were talking about how the president affected the economy. Economic policies (budget, etc.) tend to have little impact how we, as a populace, spend our money. Unless of course you're saying that the economy has significantly changed based on the president's spending and policies. And if you could provide examples, that'd be great.

:huh: economic policies have vast and lasting effects on the way people spend.
I know, I know, milk, eggs and toilet paper, but again, you seem to forget that the economy doesn't hinge on the bare bones necessity items.
you get that.....don't you?
there were books written about the economic policies effect ( effect not "affect" remember that) on the economy in the US. (http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0002-7162%28198201%29459%3C112%3AGRATIO%3E2.0.CO%3B2-H)
and other countries.

a simple example.

government regulations affect (see?) the automotive industry, in that, now, finally, they are being pressured to have higher mileage on their vehicles.
but lack of government regulation of these auto makers and oil companies result in larger amounts of money spent at the pump.

now you can't get that nice pink sweater from the gap you had your eye on XtromaniaK, don't you see?



One of the other, and more accepted, explanations is the wide use of CREDIT by the wide majority of American people. They tended to pay for most everything on credit. Well, when you can't pay back items on credit immediately, you find yourself paying larger, and larger sums. And debt starts to swell. Combine this with another one of the explanations, the rush after the stock market collapsed, and you have a volatile mix. People rushed to pull their money out of the banks during this period and this not only made plenty of banks fail, it wrecked one of the nation's key financial infrastructures. And the loss of money through being forced to pay back loans they couldn't afford to banks trying to sustain themselves led to job/pay cuts in many companies. Which led to a stagnant economy. People didn't have much money to spend those days. When consumers don't have money to spend, businesses suffer. This leads to an economic depression. We were pulled out of the depression by way of all of the work programs that the government started up as the situation got worse.

actually, there is no "accepted explanation".
the only one that comes close to being a widely accepted explanation hinges on technology.
most books on the great depression and it's causes pretty much say that outright.
man, all that neat text you wrote and for what?

nothing that's what!



Great. And how has the government's policies effected the income of workers thus far? What bill did the president support that caused all of these people to be without extra spending money? Who has control over how much these people are paid? Companies or the government?

:huh: I already did.
as you have clearly shown no grasp of even WHAT disposable income means, well, explaining it to you sounds like a waste of time doesn't it?
you apparently don't understand the very basic concept of fiscal policy influence on the economy of a nation.
for god's sake, fiscal policy has an effect on INTEREST RATES! what does that tell you?

nothing?


Great. Prove how the president's policies caused this. I'm waiting.

:huh: didn't I already point out the fact that Bush administration has engaged in deficit spending, to the tune of 200 billion dollars this year alone fir operation "infinite desert camp out" or whatever the hell they are calling it this year.
your denial aside, deficit spending IS one of the "accepted" theories for the cause of the great depression.
you have been reading my responses right?



Have you? I mean, the droves of evidence you have given might have gone completely over my head.. but I don't see you supporting any of your "ideas" either. Provide an example, please.

I have, I did.
you haven't and won't.



Wow. And even then.. who voted to go to war? The Congress, you say? Great, we're making progress then. The President can't actually reach out and change the economy without going through another body first. But even then, how much of an effect on the economy is the war having? Can you show me estimates? Guesstimates, even?

I can't....

I can't....

believe you just asked me that.

uh....they HAVE been talking about adverse effects for the economy since BEFORE the war.
you know who has?

economists.

have a problem with their outlook, feel free to take it up with them.

1 (http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/2002/0730nytimes.htm) 2 (http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0122-07.htm)
3 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2420059.stm)
4 (http://www.ips-dc.org/iraq/failedtransition/)
5 (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15499.htm)
6 (http://skeptically.org/parwho/id7.html)
7 (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9807E5DF1138F933A05754C0A9649C8B 63)


but seriously, thanks for asking that.
solidly proving that you happen to be an idiot.



Ditto. :o
oh man, after that whole "show me the effect of the war on the economy"
this must be embarrassing for you.



Wow, funniest thing I've read today. You can really claim I have bad sentence construction when there's so many things wrong with JUST THOSE TWO SENTENCES that my missteps pale in comparison. That's amazing.

LOL...you men I "can't" claim you have bead sentence construction.
but Ironically I "can".

Irony.



Kudos on proving to me that you are an idiot.


LOL, you're really not that bright are you?

[LexCorp]

Oh man I left htis thread yesterday in a state of peace...who started the war?

[rdh007]

Oh man I left htis thread yesterday in a state of peace...who started the war?
I've got a guess...
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee144/rdh007/bushsoldier.jpg

[moraldeficiency]

I meant a real war where american actually had to make sacrifices, there was a draft, and everybody knew somebody who was fighting. Maybe even foreign troops bretched our shores.

Yeah, the US would be and has always been much better at that. An actual war garners support because people are fighting for their very country. If it happened look for a WW2 atmosphere. Citizens will ration and run drives and our military rather than fighting people in cities would be fighting armies without having to worry about who they attack (not that friendly fire doesn't happen or mistakes and slaughters don't occur but it's not nearly as bad as Iraq or Vietnam). So considering the US military hardware is the best in the world, they would slaughter an opponent in a standard war senario. It's this "peace-keeping" war nonsense that we suck at and our citizens don't get behind.

[LexCorp]

Dam Bush got in the thread! lol

[Mr Sparkle]

http://www.catholicinformationcenter.org/TRAVEL-AMISH.jpg

"I know more than you English"
XtromaniaK

[Zoken]

http://www.catholicinformationcenter.org/TRAVEL-AMISH.jpg

"Do you think they really believe *****ing on their demon-boxes will cause change?"