Transformers 2 Leaked Script??

[Shinobi Rendar]

Ok i don't know if it's legit or fan made. Read at you own risk.


Act One
- Starscream returns, now self-declared leader of the Decepticons.
- Rallies the others around his goal is a new energy source derived from the Allspark that rests on Earth. Plans overheard by Hot Rod.
- Soundwave leads a faction that is still loyal to Megatron and with his followers battles Starscream and co and gains control of the resurgence ship Nemesis
- Sam and Mikaela are in college, her at community and Sam in New York. Still together.
- Sam and Bumblebee have a strained relationship since the city of gridlock makes driving a car impractical.
- Shige, unspecified Asian, is Sam's roommate and learned English from Baywatch closed caption. Guessing he is the comedian role that Anderson was for first movie.
- Nemesis slams into the ocean, destroying an aircraft carrier and taking on its form. IE Nemesis becomes a transforming aircraft carrier (something rumored to be in the sequel for a month and more).
- Soundwave takes on the form of a "large, military-grade focused sound laser" while the other Decepticons take on military vehicles that where on the downed carrier.
- Megatron's crushed lifeless form is retrieved and placed in a Cybertronian chamber. Since sound is a form of energy, therefore making Soundwave an unlimited source of energy, he is able to heal other Transformers and restore Megatron. The reason mainly because the merging of the Allspark with Meg's spark caused an overload and shutdown of his system rather then death.
- The resurrection’s side-effect results in dependency on Soundwave for energy but (I think), Meg's wouldn't like depending on anyone for survival so needs something from Prime to complete his return and sends his minions to capture Sam as leverage.
- Hot Rod lands on earth to warn Prime of Starscream's plans and coordinates for unknown energy source. The alt form, Ferrari F430, is taken from a "high-profile action movie director’s car (a cameo perhaps for Bay?).
- Autobots head to Las Vegas, with Hot Rod (with Mikaela) running ahead of them due to his speed.
- Bumblebee also heads to Vegas with Sam and Shige in tow (after a scene involving street racing).
- Mikaela finds Agent Simmons, who now works for LUXOR in Vegas, to get the location of the object.
- Everyone but Sam and company form up at the home of Linus Ellison, descendent of the Sector 7 founders.
- The second source, "City of Lights" is an orb that stores the Allspark's excess energy that was collected while being studied by Sector 7 and is used to meet the United States energy needs. The electrical conduit for the orb runs from Hoover Dam to Vegas, in effect Vegas was built to hide the orb much like Hoover Dam was built to hide the Allspark.
- The Luxor (the black pyramid) provides the access point to the orb (hence Simmons working there) resulting in a White House ordered evacuation of the entire city.

Act Two
- Sam and co still heading to Vegas, Shige still unaware of Bumblebee is a robot; watch their dorm destroyed by a giant robot on TV. Sam recognizes that means he is in danger.
- Creation Matrix is introduced and contained within Prime. The Allspark provides life, the Matrix provides the Transformers with a soul and free will. Without the matrix the Transformers are soulless primal beasts ("hence the cell phone, Xbox and Mountain Dew machine"). Decepticons therefore came from the Allspark and Matrix but used free will "to follow a path of evil". (Very slick and very obvious, I feel pretty stupid for not thinking of this).
- At this point, Starscream wants the Orb and Megatron wants the Matrix.
- Meanwhile Sam and co reach the roadblock of traffic from the evacuation of Vegas and come head to head with six construction vehicles...who merge to form Devastator.
- While trying to escape Ultra Magnus and his car load of Transformers arrive to attack Devastator and defend Sam. Meanwhile Shige pees in his pants (thinking BB wouldn't like that). A vicious battle ensues.
- Devastator is slowed buying time for a tactical retreat down Route 66 to Vegas (historic American landmark, worth googling).
- In Vegas, the largest defense force ever assembled is ready as Starscream's faction arrives in protoform.
- The force is intercepted by protoform Autobots (so three groups of Autobots) resulting in a free-fall battle until forced to break for crashing landing to Earth. The fight is rejoined and moves toward Vegas.
- Once the fight reaches Vegas, the military learns that the Decepticons no longer effected by the sabot rounds making them ineffective in the battle.
- The assault continues above ground while below Mikaela watches as Ellison and Simmons wordlessly hatch a plan.
- Night falls as the Autobots defense of the Luxor barely holds. Reinforcements arrive in the form of Sam and co. pushing back Starscream's faction.
- Sam and Shige are escorted down below as Skorponok drills through to the underground bunker undetected.
Act Three
- Skorponok is detected and despite best efforts from the military below ground, manages to sever the orb from the electrical conduit, stopping the flow of energy to the nation, plunging cities and Vegas into a blackout.
- Military re-enforcements arrive in Vegas, only to discover they where infiltrated by Megatron's forces and destroyed.
- The military lies in waste, the Autobots outnumbered and exhausted, Megatron's forces begin their assault.
- Seeing the odds, Ellison makes the call to go to the Stratosphere Tower and release a Sector 7 built electromagnetic pulse that would destroy all electronic systems within 50 miles including the Transformers and the orb. Despite knowing it would kill them; Optimus approves of the plan and orders the Autobots to clear a path up the strip.
- Soundwave, overhearing the orders, moves to intercept.
- Prime, Magnus and Hot Rod stay to defend the Luxor, the others move to defend human's move to the tower.
- Starscream, thinking the advantage is his, moves to attack the Luxor to claim the orb.
- The fight up the strip against Soundwave's troops results in a kamikaze move by two Autobots that opens the lines but also kills the military specialists for the EMP.
- Sam and Mikaela ascend the tower under assault from a Deception with Bumblebee trying to defend. Eventually Bumblebee wins forcing the weak Megatron to enter the battle and clumsily but effectively stopping the EMP and possibly killing Mikaela.
- Soundwave attacks Starscream's faction with a sonic pulse that also hits Prime who was chasing a determined Hot Rod that had ordered his retreat orders.
- Soundwave uses that opportunity to rip the Matrix from Optimus and brings it to Megatron restoring him to full strength.
- First order of business to regain the role of undisputed leader of the Decepticons by taking out Starscream those results in a dogfight in the Grand Canyon.
- The defeated Starscream's last act of defiance is a message to his faction on Cybertron, "I have prepared the way..." resulting in a mass exodus from Cybertron to Earth. (HMM so TF 2 Vegas battle is what Helm's Deep was to the Two Towers, with I guess TF 3 having a battle that will be like Return of the Kings Minas Tirith - if true sweet)
- Movie ends with the Autobots recovering in Ellison's compound, Optimus severely wounded, Hot Rod determined to right his wrong (I guess getting the matrix from Megs), Sam feeling betrayed by Prime with the death of Mikaela, and Mikaela regaining consciousness, the forcefield of the Bumblebee defeated Decepticon failing after having protected her from the destroyed Tower.
- Basically ...to be Concluded in TF 3.


I didn't even read it.

Seems higly unlikely this is real since the writerswere announced not to long ago, but who knows.

http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/

[Kargo Warrior]

HOLLY MOTHER OF ALL THAT IS GOOD AND KIND :wow: :wow: :wow: :trans:

If That Is The Movie I Will Desolve To Molecules From Happiness

Thanks a lot for posting it.

[Kargo Warrior]

I guess it's fake..

Don Murphy posted this on his forum:

1- Some idiot posted some stupid story
2- Apparently it was good.
3- It thankfully wasn't real, because, well writers don't start writing till deals are done and they aren't.
4- Not one single person/fan/stooge/alleged friend alerted me to the situation which, HAD it been real would have been bad for the film, not to mention illegal.
5- Two Jackoffs, Phoenix.Prime and Mainframe III decided they wanted to be banned for defending assholic actions.
6- I am done with the subject and have to go make eggs for a friend who is staying with us.

http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showthread.php?t=22665&page=3

[XXTBWCXX]

^^^ Good, I'm glad it's not real, because it seems way too confusing...this says the movie will deal with the Matrix and an "Orb" that was created from the Allspark, and also will have tons of Decepticons in it.

[Jake Cassidy]

That actually sounds really cool.

[November Rain]

it sounds alright but not perfect, to much mish mashing

and cybetron is also gone so....meh...

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Speilberg said that they have a story planned out & in stone for Transformers 2. But if the writers strike happens on November 1st then that can really mess things up.

[Golgo-13]

I hope it is a fake. I don't wanna see Hot Rod anywhere near a TF movie. :cmad:

[millennium movies]

It's real but it won't be used. Nelson from Bay's forum confirmed that.

[DOG LIPS]

So it begins again.

[Gotham]

I don't know about what Nelson said.

They also said that the script leaked for the first film wouldn't be used.

How wrong they were. (Didn't, like, the whole draft make it into the final film?) :whatever:

[Golgo-13]

Well according to the SHH front page, Speilburg said the script is done so i wouldn't be suprised if that is it. I hope it's not, but i wouldn't be suprised if it was.....

[Jake Cassidy]

What's your problem with Hot Rod? And don't say it's because if he's there than Prime will die, as I've heard that around here sometimes. There is no way in hell Prime will die in these movies.

[Golgo-13]

What's your problem with Hot Rod? And don't say it's because if he's there than Prime will die, as I've heard that around here sometimes. There is no way in hell Prime will die in these movies.

He's an annoying prick. He brings back memories of so much that was wrong with TF from the time he took leadership in the movie, into the worst season of G1- season 3. Hot Rod is a bad ****ing omen. And i hate his guts....with a passion.

[Advanced Dark]

I guess it's fake..

Don Murphy posted this on his forum:

1- Some idiot posted some stupid story
2- Apparently it was good.
3- It thankfully wasn't real, because, well writers don't start writing till deals are done and they aren't.
4- Not one single person/fan/stooge/alleged friend alerted me to the situation which, HAD it been real would have been bad for the film, not to mention illegal.
5- Two Jackoffs, Phoenix.Prime and Mainframe III decided they wanted to be banned for defending assholic actions.
6- I am done with the subject and have to go make eggs for a friend who is staying with us.

http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showthread.php?t=22665&page=3

What a jackass. I hate Don Murphy more and more everytime he opens his fat pie-hole.

[Shinobi Rendar]

isn't scary how easy these scripts leak out? :dry:

anyways when i heard it wasn't real, i read it... then it was REAL :wow:, got scared... then it wasn't gonna be used :whatever: , relief...

I was so pissed when i read the name Hot Rod (plus him being a Ferrari)... as Golgo I don't want Hot Rod near the Movie franchise. I don't even want his named mentioned EVER lol. Yeah i hate him. I sound like an angry fanboy lol.

Anyways I hope we get better autobots than HR for the sequel. The Decpticon storyline did sound good.

[Jake Cassidy]

Replace Hot Rod (sorry^:woot: ) with Sideswipe. I'd die to see him in a movie.

[Gotham]

isn't scary how easy these scripts leak out? :dry:

anyways when i heard it wasn't real, i read it... then it was REAL :wow:, got scared... then it wasn't gonna be used :whatever: , relief...

I was so pissed when i read the name Hot Rod (plus him being a Ferrari)... as Golgo I don't want Hot Rod near the Movie franchise. I don't even want his named mentioned EVER lol. Yeah i hate him. I sound like an angry fanboy lol.

Anyways I hope we get better autobots than HR for the sequel. The Decpticon storyline did sound good.

This was apparently the screenplay Ehren Krueger used to get himself the screenwriting position.

And they say Hollywood is slow.... :whatever:

[millennium movies]

News guys:

Begin Email

We are two unrepresented writers with links to [edited]. While we did intend to have Bay's people read the treatment, in no way is our treatment officially linked with the studios or either camp. Prior to this whole debacle, no one associated with the movie had read our treatment. They signed off on a writer before we could get it in the hands of our contacts. Not to mention, the legal tape we would have had to get through was an additional issue as unrepresented writers.

As best we can figure, someone took the pdf file of the original treatment from [edited], doctored it, then tried to pass it off as some kind of scoop, posting it either on Saturday or Sunday (when the leaked treatment first appeared, apparently). Though we initially posted the treatment in what we thought was an obscure corner of the internet, it's obvious to us now that there is no such thing. [edited] is a forum I post on quite regularly ([edited] is where I went to school), writing reviews and sometimes posting about my experiences in LA.

While we are flattered by the overwhelmingly positive reaction the treatment itself has garnered, again, it was by no means ever considered by the powers that be as a viable option, nor read by them either. We just want that made clear to as many people as IESB can reach. The rights of the studio need to be protected, and the production deserves to progress without false perceptions of their actual plot/story. In addition, we ask that it be made clear that we are not only agitated, but dumbfounded by this whole phenomenon and apologize for any inconvenience it must have caused not only the fans, but those involved with the project as well (especially for Don Murphy...wow).

End of Email

more at the link: http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3463&Itemid=99

[Golgo-13]

You know the more i read this, the more i think that it might actually be true. If there's one thing that we all should have learnt from the TF 1 coverage is that the film makers words cannot be trusted; non of them. They always make claims about this and that isn't true, blah, balh, blah then the very same thing ends up in the final product. I'm willing to bet that this will at least be the basic outline of TF 2.

[DOG LIPS]

I agree Golgo, it's like déjà vu.

[XXTBWCXX]

For one, Hot Rod shouldn't be in any TF movie just because they put in Bumblebee instead and BB acts like Hot Rod too, so, I say no to HR who will just act like BB version 2.0. And two, either have the movie about the Matrix (which I think they should), or another thing if they want to, but not two things at once...people say the movie was confusing anyways with just a simple plot, so with two things at once, it'll be a hella lot confusing. And third, how did Ultra Magnus appear? I just read his name and that's it, lol. Four; too many Decepticons were on Earth battling the Autobots...don't make it like the video game with all those drones.

[XXTBWCXX]

Seems higly unlikely this is real since the writerswere announced not to long ago, but who knows.[/URL]


The writers might have been announced not that long ago, but it seems that they've already created a story for TF 2.

[Shinobi Rendar]

For one, Hot Rod shouldn't be in any TF movie just because they put in Bumblebee instead and BB acts like Hot Rod too, so, I say no to HR who will just act like BB version 2.0. And two, either have the movie about the Matrix (which I think they should), or another thing if they want to, but not two things at once...people say the movie was confusing anyways with just a simple plot, so with two things at once, it'll be a hella lot confusing. And third, how did Ultra Magnus appear? I just read his name and that's it, lol. Four; too many Decepticons were on Earth battling the Autobots...don't make it like the video game with all those drones.

Quoted because of truth

I completly agree with what you said. What i posted it's just a summary of the important events i think. I was going to d/l the script but i wasn't able to, so i posted this.

[skorponok]

HOT ROD will be in the film. Mark my words...and quit your *****ing ;)

[Golgo-13]

I starts again. The film makers say one thing, but EVIDENCE starts to prove the opposite. I believe this statement from Cullen points in the direction that the above script might indeed have some fact based to it:


From SHH front page:
Cullen Says to Expect Two More Transformers
Source: Heather Newgen
October 12, 2007


Today at a Paramount presentation of the new Transformers HD DVD, Peter Cullen said you will be seeing, or rather hearing more of him.

"I've been led to believe that there is going to be two more that I know of," Cullen told ComingSoon.net/Superhero Hype!.

When we asked if he was attached to voice Optimus Prime again, he simply said with a smile, "yes."

The first Transformers hits DVD and HD DVD on Tuesday, October 16!

I know Cullen was under contract to do more TF films, but still, is it a co-incidence that the above TF 2 script confirms that there 'must' be a third film to conclude the second film, backing up the "2 more films'' statement, that Cullen was quoted as saying...?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I thought it was known from pretty early on that Cullen signed for 3 movies, i remember reading this in Empire a while ago.

[skorponok]

I starts again. The film makers say one thing, but EVIDENCE starts to prove the opposite. I believe this statement from Cullen points in the direction that the above script might indeed have some fact based to it

Precisely what I was thinking.

[Symbiotic]

I don't know about you guys but I have a feeling the 'two sequels back to-back' talk is coming.

[Chris B]

Parts of it don't sound that bad. So I wouldn't mind if certain elements made it into the film. I don't really see the point in introducing the Autobot Matrix of Leadership, and I don't really care for the inclusion of Ultra Magnus and Hot Rod. I'd rather see those two replaced by Prowl and Sideswipe. I don't want to see any of the '86 character brought in any earlier than part 3.

[Chris B]

I starts again. The film makers say one thing, but EVIDENCE starts to prove the opposite. I believe this statement from Cullen points in the direction that the above script might indeed have some fact based to it:


From SHH front page:


I know Cullen was under contract to do more TF films, but still, is it a co-incidence that the above TF 2 script confirms that there 'must' be a third film to conclude the second film, backing up the "2 more films'' statement, that Cullen was quoted as saying...?

Then again, considering the success of the first movie, there really isn't any reason not to think there wont be at least two more films produced.

[Uncanny]

Boo to Hot Rod and Ultra Magnus.

Prowl, Sunstreaker, Sideswipe, Grimlock, Jetfire, Hound, Wheeljack,Red Alert, Mirage, Reflector, and others would be better.

Hot Rod and Ultra Magnus in the movie would be like putting Cyclonus and Scourge in the movie over Soundwave and The Constructicons.

[Jake Cassidy]

I really hope they bring in Prowl, Sideswipe, Sunstreaker, Hound, Skywarp, Thundercracker and Shockwave. I think that Soundwave and the cassettes are a given.

[SodaPop]

The script has it's amazing moments, I personally want something similar to that, just minus all of the armies of robots. That would be waayyy to much cramming in of random, no-name robots. And it wouldn't shock me if the second one set-up the third one by introducing Unicron.

[Golgo-13]

I just re-read the script and as a whole i like it. The one thing i hate the most is the appearance of Hot-Rod. It looks as though he has a major role in the events of TF2 if this is indeed true.

Other bad things; the return of Simmons. The lack of, it appears, of Megatron screentime again. No Shockwave mentioned-although a cameo could still be possible.

The great thing about this is that it appears there will be way more TF screentime, and way more dialogue; especially from the Decepticons.

[Gotham]

The great thing about this is that it appears there will be way more TF screentime, and way more dialogue; especially from the Decepticons.


Definitely. That was the weakest point of the last film. Too much human of a human point of view and not enough of the Transforming point of view. (Is it so hard to let us see Optimus Primse transform? Huh? :csad: )

[Jake Cassidy]

Hot Rod appearing is inevitable. He is, whether you like it or not, one of the most well known and popular characters. Hasbro would be pushing for him to be in it.

[DOG LIPS]

Hot Rod is like the Bay's wet dream of Transformers as well.

[Golgo-13]

Hot Rod appearing is inevitable. He is, whether you like it or not, one of the most well known and popular characters. Hasbro would be pushing for him to be in it.

Popular? Not.

Well known? Yes, but for reasons i wouldn't brag about.:csad:

[Nighthawk_Fan]

For one, Hot Rod shouldn't be in any TF movie just because they put in Bumblebee instead and BB acts like Hot Rod too, so, I say no to HR who will just act like BB version 2.0. And two, either have the movie about the Matrix (which I think they should), or another thing if they want to, but not two things at once...people say the movie was confusing anyways with just a simple plot, so with two things at once, it'll be a hella lot confusing. And third, how did Ultra Magnus appear? I just read his name and that's it, lol. Four; too many Decepticons were on Earth battling the Autobots...don't make it like the video game with all those drones.

I agree with you.

[Jake Cassidy]

Than how do you explain why Hot Rod toys are among the consistently high selling Transformers characters? I don't really want to see him in these movies. I'm just saying.

I'd much rather see characters like Prowl, Sideswipe, Tracks and Inferno.

[Golgo-13]

Another thing i don't like is the fact that it looks as though Megs doesn't get an earth mode. I was hoping for one so that they could have a reason to make him look more like his G1 counterpart.

As far as Ultra Magnus just showing up, i think he and the other Autobots could have arrived between the time TF1 ended and TF2.

I don't remember reading anything about Ironhide or Ratchet in the script.

[DOG LIPS]

I'm scared to see the new character's designs. :csad: (Depending on the truthness and such)

[Golgo-13]

Where's that awesome pic that some fan did of one of the constructicon standing next to a human? That i wouldn't mind seeing..only make him a little smaller, so that when they form Devastor they won't be the size of a building.

[DOG LIPS]

I kind of picture Hot Rod being black with red flames in Bayworld. UM will be white with blue flames.

[Jick09]

I kinda liked the script, but it really won't be used.
it was stated that the new Transformers will have a deeper story, a concrete plot and this script isn't like this.
but we certainly could have the "Matrix" thing. it makes sense.

[Mal'Akai]

Well, if we're getting Hot Rod, I'm thinking this would make an awesome alt mode for him. Make him kinda like a Bumblebee twin.
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n237/mkrolfe/Pontiac_GTO.jpg

[XXTBWCXX]

Quoted because of truth

I completly agree with what you said. What i posted it's just a summary of the important events i think. I was going to d/l the script but i wasn't able to, so i posted this.


Well thank you...


I agree with you.


and thank you, lol.

I kinda knew people would agree with me, haha.


I kind of picture Hot Rod being black with red flames in Bayworld. UM will be white with blue flames.


Well, Bay made Optimus Prime the way he is (blue with red flames), to make him more mordern, but to also look a bit like Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime(what a retarded name), so, with Bay doing that to Optimus, I doubt that Michael Bay even wants to add Hot Rod into the movie.

[XXTBWCXX]

Well, if we're getting Hot Rod, I'm thinking this would make an awesome alt mode for him. Make him kinda like a Bumblebee twin.
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n237/mkrolfe/Pontiac_GTO.jpg


Did not see this post..."Bumblebee twin" --- exactly WHY HR shouldn't be in a TF movie.

[TheVileOne]

Just to let you guys know, I was at the HD event, and Cullen did say 2 more. He also said he hasn't seen a script and that he never saw a full script for the first movie.

[XXTBWCXX]

*crosses fingers* Here's hoping Prime doesn't die in number three than!!!

[Golgo-13]

Here's what i was talking about. Great Constructicon design. Just hope they're not this big.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f40/omgyourretarded/1184394693566.jpg

[Jake Cassidy]

That is so badass.

[Jick09]

*crosses fingers* Here's hoping Prime doesn't die in number three than!!!I think that's probably what's going to happen.

[Jake Cassidy]

I doubt Prime will die in these movies, unless they want to piss everyone off.

[Jick09]

not in the second...but in the last, in the final...it has a big chance of happen.
I don't like, but that's the way it is.

[Golgo-13]

This is a post posted on Transformers Sculptor/Illustrator Duncan Crawford's blog site.

September 22, 2007
What's next?


"Well, my sculpting run on Indy 4 has come to an end. Can't discuss anything I worked on, but I will say the sets looked great and Spielberg and company are going all out to bring the fans something special. Now the long wait for it's release.

Here are the rumors for what movies are next:

Star Trek is currently in the construction phase, Land Of The Lost is just about to get going,Transformers 2 & 3 might be ramping up in the beginning of the year and there's some talk of a GI Joe movie.
We'll wait to see where I end up."

What does everyone think of yet another clue that might confirm that the script might be true. Why would he say TF 2 and 3, unles they were shooting them together? The cliffhanger in the script kinda confirms that TF 3 is a given...........

[Jake Cassidy]

I hope it is true. After it's beefed out a bit it could be really good. I know a few people don't like Hot Rod, but I believe that if they tweak his character a little, they could make him more likeable. Anything's possible, right?

[Golgo-13]

I guess but even in the script, it seems as though he's the same hot headed rogue, that got Prime killed in the '86 TF movie. According to the plot, his insubordination is a major plot device.

[DOG LIPS]

I don't mind Hot Rod or UM at all, but I would really like to see some more older characters before those 2. To those who read the full script, were those the only new Autobots?

[Golgo-13]

I don't mind Hot Rod or UM at all, but I would really like to see some more older characters before those 2. To those who read the full script, were those the only new Autobots?

They were the only ones mentioned by name, althought Ultra Magnus is carrying several Autobots, as he's still a car carrier.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

If this proves true, I might really find myself liking it. It uses all of the elements of the first but in a much more intelligent fashion. If the Vegas sequence is something that survives, it could also supply even more action than the first.

I really wouldn't mind if they filmed over here. I'd be nice to tape any open shoots if possible.

[skorponok]

Than how do you explain why Hot Rod toys are among the consistently high selling Transformers characters?

Notice how this was ignored ;)

Just because someone doesn't like the character, doesn't mean there aren't many many many many more who do:word:

[Shinobi Rendar]

not in the second...but in the last, in the final...it has a big chance of happen.
I don't like, but that's the way it is.

Yeah i bet that's what's going to happen :S

It's kinda of a cliche if you ask me... Here's to hoping they do something different :trans:

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

HOT ROD will be in the film. Mark my words...and quit your *****ing ;)

Not unless unless they plan on useing the name Hot Rod in the movie and a different name on the toy release like they did with Devastator/Brawl.The name Hot Rod cant be used on any Transformers toys.And I dont see them doing the two different name thing on a character that is so important to the script and most likly well liked by the kids viewing the film.

[spidergrant]

did i hear 6 constructicons. whats up with that. but still that long haul picture was awesome. and what with soundwave what is he suposed to be

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

did i hear 6 constructicons. whats up with that.

What do you want to know?????????There were 6 Constructicons that formed Devastator in G1.
Scrapper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrapper),
Bonecrusher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonecrusher_%28Transformers%29)
Scavenger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scavenger_%28Transformers%29)
Mixmaster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixmaster_%28Transformers%29)
Hook (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_%28Transformers%29)
Long Haul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Haul)

[Jake Cassidy]

Yeah, but Bonecrusher's dead. They must be having a replacement.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Yeah, but Bonecrusher's dead. They must be having a replacement.

Almost no bot stays dead in Transformers.

[XXTBWCXX]

They were the only ones mentioned by name, althought Ultra Magnus is carrying several Autobots, as he's still a car carrier.


From what the script says, I thought the carrier would be Omega Supreme?\


Yeah, but Bonecrusher's dead. They must be having a replacement.


Bonecrusher isn't dead...I've come to realize that if you think a TF is dead, make sure you see its spark flying around, lol.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

They could make it work with 5. There's no immediate need to have 6 come together outside of preserving what little canon the movies have had an interest in referencing.

[spidergrant]

What do you want to know?????????There were 6 Constructicons that formed Devastator in G1.
Scrapper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrapper),
Bonecrusher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonecrusher_%28Transformers%29)
Scavenger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scavenger_%28Transformers%29)
Mixmaster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixmaster_%28Transformers%29)
Hook (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_%28Transformers%29)
Long Haul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Haul)

what. why do they need a sixth one. i thought there was one for each arm and leg and the torso

[skorponok]

Not unless unless they plan on useing the name Hot Rod in the movie and a different name on the toy release like they did with Devastator/Brawl.The name Hot Rod cant be used on any Transformers toys.And I dont see them doing the two different name thing on a character that is so important to the script and most likly well liked by the kids viewing the film.

"Autobot Hot Rod" can probably be used like the name "AUTOBOT Jazz" had been used...and Jazz was simply referred to as "Jazz" in the film, rather than "Autobot Jazz".

That or they will just use the name Rodimus :word:

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

what. why do they need a sixth one. i thought there was one for each arm and leg and the torso

No they were a six bot group.Two arms,Two legs,One lower torso and one sholder and head.Hit the links I posted to see what I mean.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

"Autobot Hot Rod" can probably be used like the name "AUTOBOT Jazz" had been used...and Jazz was simply referred to as "Jazz" in the film, rather than "Autobot Jazz".

That or they will just use the name Rodimus :word:

No they cant use that ether.....if they could they would have done it already with ether the G1 reissue,Titanium 3inch figure.Armada Hotshot,The Energon Rodimus,The Cybertron Exliuse[or what ever the HotShot repaint name was] or the Classic figure.The trademark is owen by a Automotive magazine. Auto being in the name would also be considered a trademark infringement.If they made him a dwcepticon with a jet or anything other then a car mode they could use the name on a toy but not as an Autobot or anything that resembles a automobile.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

On the Constructicons (again): the sum of their parts and the contributors matter little to a film that is basically a loose adaption. It could be that Barricade sticks his head up Megatron's tailpipe, and if it's called Devastator then it's the movie's version of Devastator.

I understand sto_ko_vor_2000 was just clarifying, but again- to reiterate.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

On the Constructicons (again): the sum of their parts and the contributors matter little to a film that is basically a loose adaption. It could be that Barricade sticks his head up Megatron's tailpipe, and if it's called Devastator then it's the movie's version of Devastator.

I understand sto_ko_vor_2000 was just clarifying, but again- to reiterate.

I was just referring to the G1 Constructicons.And to also point out not every combiner team had 5 members.In G1 there were a few combiner teams with 6 members.

[skorponok]

No they cant use that ether.....if they could they would have done it already with ether the G1 reissue,Titanium 3inch figure.Armada Hotshot,The Energon Rodimus,The Cybertron Exliuse[or what ever the HotShot repaint name was] or the Classic figure.The trademark is owen by a Automotive magazine. Auto being in the name would also be considered a trademark infringement.If they made him a dwcepticon with a jet or anything other then a car mode they could use the name on a toy but not as an Autobot or anything that resembles a automobile.

As I said, they will probably use the name "RODIMUS"

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

As I said, they will probably use the name "RODIMUS"

Most likely.With an inside joke to the name Hotrod.........for exsample........after saving Sam or his girl friend Sam says.........."Who are you Hot Rod"....and Rodimus [or what ever they name him] says "No that names being used"

[spidergrant]

that would be funny

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

that would be funny

Thank you........But I think its corny but its just corny enough for Holly wood:whatever:

[Jake Cassidy]

They should just use the name Hot Shot if they can't use Hot Rod. It's much better than Rodimus. That just sounds bloody stupid.

[skorponok]

Thank you........But I think its corny but its just corny enough for Holly wood:whatever:

It would fit in with some of the random humor in the first film definitely :wow:

[Golgo-13]

I gotta feeling Hot Rod will be the token black guy in TF2, now that Jazz has kicked the bucket. Bay seems to like putting blacks in his movies, and likes the hip-hop talk,etc. I think Hot Rod will be somewhat like Jazz....the cool, Autobot of TF 2.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I gotta feeling Hot Rod will be the token black guy in TF2, now that Jazz has kicked the bucket. Bay seems to like putting blacks in his movies, and likes the hip-hop talk,etc. I think Hot Rod will be somewhat like Jazz....the cool, Autobot of TF 2.

I think it would be more like him being the rich white kid who likes to act Black.

[XXTBWCXX]

Jazz might come back though.

[Jake Cassidy]

I see Hot Rod as more of a Wolfmother/Foo Fighters fan myself.

[Golgo-13]

Jazz might come back though.

Wouldn't hold my breath for that.

[Jake Cassidy]

Yeah, I don't think Jazz will come back either, which is a shame.

[XXTBWCXX]

Wouldn't hold my breath for that.


Then why would Michael Bay ask Darius McCray(who voiced Jazz) to be open "just in case" for when Transformers 2 is being made?

[Jake Cassidy]

Oh ****. I didn't know that. Now I'm happy again.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Then why would Michael Bay ask Darius McCray(who voiced Jazz) to be open "just in case" for when Transformers 2 is being made?


Flashback to Cybertron shots???????A voice over recap at the begining of movie #2????????.........there could be bunch of reason that Bay could have asked for that.Dont read to much into it.

[Jake Cassidy]

Yeah, but there's also the possibility that Jazz will come back. It doesn't matter, I'm going to see this movie regardless.

[lars573]

No they were a six bot group.Two arms,Two legs,One lower torso and one sholder and head.Hit the links I posted to see what I mean.
No they are a group that has as many members as Haskara/Bay wants to put in.

For example: Universe Devastator (http://www.tfu.info/2006/Decepticon/UniConstructiconDevastator/constructicondevastator.htm). 4 bots. 1 forms the body and head, one forms the arms, and the other two the legs.

Energon Constructicon Maximus (http://www.tfu.info/2005/Decepticon/ConstructiconMaximus/constructiconmaximus.htm) (and Classics Constructicon Devastator). 5 bots in the old school "scramble city" style. That's 1 guy is larger and forms the body and head. With 4 smaller limb bots, who form legs or arms.

Still I support Hot Rod/Rodimus for TF2, as well as Ultra Magnus.

[Jake Cassidy]

Yeah, I support Hot Rod and Ultra Magnus too. All they need is Prowl and I'll be seeing all of my favourite Autobots. :woot:

[skorponok]

The notion of Ultra Magnus makes one wonder how many Autobot's he'll be carrying...very interesting notion indeed...

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

I'm glad this review seems to focus more on Rodimus than Magnus. I always hated that old fight of who should've gotten the Matrix...

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

No they are a group that has as many members as Haskara/Bay wants to put in.

For example: Universe Devastator (http://www.tfu.info/2006/Decepticon/UniConstructiconDevastator/constructicondevastator.htm). 4 bots. 1 forms the body and head, one forms the arms, and the other two the legs.

Energon Constructicon Maximus (http://www.tfu.info/2005/Decepticon/ConstructiconMaximus/constructiconmaximus.htm) (and Classics Constructicon Devastator). 5 bots in the old school "scramble city" style. That's 1 guy is larger and forms the body and head. With 4 smaller limb bots, who form legs or arms.

Still I support Hot Rod/Rodimus for TF2, as well as Ultra Magnus.

We WERE talking about the G1 Constructicons.I saw no reason to confuse the boy with any of the other teams with a likeness to them or have been repainted to look like them.

[lars573]

And the live action movie series is about as much based on G1 as any of the post beast animated projects. If/when the constructicons are done they will be a new version. With the G1 team as a starting point or reference, just like those other two versions I mentioned.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

And the live action movie series is about as much based on G1 as any of the post beast animated projects. If/when the constructicons are done they will be a new version. With the G1 team as a starting point or reference, just like those other two versions I mentioned.

I dont thing we're even going to see them.With Bays [if he stays around] fondness for the army its more likely we'll see the Combaticons.

[lars573]

Well the top three combiner teams are Aerialbots, Combaticons, and Constructicons (before anyone starts in about Stunticons and Technobots, consider who got released for G2 and got tributes in Energon). So I'm sure Hasbro wouldn't be opposed to using them.

[Golgo-13]

Then why would Michael Bay ask Darius McCray(who voiced Jazz) to be open "just in case" for when Transformers 2 is being made?

Here say? Link plz.......



...maybe he wanted Darius to come back to do another TF's voice. I mentioned before Bay likes to have a token Black guy in all his movies. Darius may be the voice of Blaster, Tracks or as i said before, Hot Rod.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Well the top three combiner teams are Aerialbots, Combaticons, and Constructicons (before anyone starts in about Stunticons and Technobots, consider who got released for G2 and got tributes in Energon). So I'm sure Hasbro wouldn't be opposed to using them.

The reason why those were chosen is debatable....but most fans would place the Predacons at the top of the gestalt teams list.

[Jake Cassidy]

I like the Aerialbots, Predacons and Combaticons.

[lars573]

The reason why those were chosen is debatable....but most fans would place the Predacons at the top of the gestalt teams list.
I'm talking about sales (or what really plays to the target audience, kids) not "fan favorites." The Aerialbots, Combaticons, and Constructicons are the best selling combiner teams. And all the others, despite having their fans, don't sell as well.

[XXTBWCXX]

Here say? Link plz.......



...maybe he wanted Darius to come back to do another TF's voice. I mentioned before Bay likes to have a token Black guy in all his movies. Darius may be the voice of Blaster, Tracks or as i said before, Hot Rod.


Naw...I don't think Bay would have the same guy voice another Autobot.

But when that exclusive red carpet thing was on the internet, the guy giving interviews, he talked to Darius and he(Darius) mentioned that even though Jazz died, Bay still asked him to be free during production of TF 2.

And to sto_vo_kor_2000, I doubt it'll be a movie recap, cuz they could have just recored his voice from the first film, and seeing a flashback of Cybtertron would be stellar, but would a flashback scene of Jazz be needed? No, that's why I think he's(Jazz) returning.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I'm talking about sales (or what really plays to the target audience, kids) not "fan favorites." The Aerialbots, Combaticons, and Constructicons are the best selling combiner teams. And all the others, despite having their fans, don't sell as well.

How did you come to that conclusion?I'm not looking to have a major debate....But as far as I know the G1 Aerialbot sold as equally as the G1 Stunticons or any of the smaler gestalt teams.The only gestalt teams that lacked in sales were the Predacons due to the larger price point and the later gestalts such as the Technobots,the Terrorcons,the Seacons and the Monster Pretenders and that was because of the fans loseing intrest in the franchise.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Naw...I don't think Bay would have the same guy voice another Autobot.

But when that exclusive red carpet thing was on the internet, the guy giving interviews, he talked to Darius and he(Darius) mentioned that even though Jazz died, Bay still asked him to be free during production of TF 2.

And to sto_vo_kor_2000, I doubt it'll be a movie recap, cuz they could have just recored his voice from the first film, and seeing a flashback of Cybtertron would be stellar, but would a flashback scene of Jazz be needed? No, that's why I think he's(Jazz) returning.

I could see Bay asking him to do the voice of Blaster real eazy.....But I dont think it would happened.There was also two other characters from the TF toylines that I could see him doing,Ricohet who was a all black target master useing Jazz's G1 mold and in the Binetech toyline Jazz had a clone called Zoom Zoom and I could eazyly see bay trying to trow in a story with an Autobot clone.
Ass for a flashback with Jazz on Cybertron??????That depends on just what we will see.If its of Primes group leaving Cybertron then it would be a must.

[spidergrant]

i think it would be cool if they rebuilt jazz only he got changed a little and then went by hotrod/ rodimus

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

i think it would be cool if they rebuilt jazz only he got changed a little and then went by hotrod/ rodimus

I think it would be a better story if the sector 7 guys rebuild and control him.To gather info on the Autobots.

[spidergrant]

good idea. or maybe they make sideways. and have him spy on them but the sideways turns on sector sevena dn the autobots and joins the decepticons

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

good idea. or maybe they make sideways. and have him spy on them but the sideways turns on sector sevena dn the autobots and joins the decepticons

Your an Armada fan ewwwwwwwwwww

[ScarletVenom25]

On what Hot Rod will be called: Honestly, they can just say that his real name is Rodimus, but, since he hates his name and likes Earth slang, he could take the nickname Hot Rod in the film. They can just call the toy Rodimus. It would be a scenario that lots of people go through, and once he finally becomes a responsible, trustworthy, high-ranking Autobot in TF3 (which we know he will), he'll finally except the name Rodimus. It would be like coming of age.

Also, since OP had flames in the first film, they can have Hot Rod add gold flames to his vehicle mode out of admiration. These are just some ideas I thought of.

[spidergrant]

Your an Armada fan ewwwwwwwwwww
yes that and RID got me into transformers but than STUPID energon had to take me and alout of fans out of it

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

yes that and RID got me into transformers but than STUPID energon had to take me and alout of fans out of it

I didnt like any of the last 3 toons.

[Jake Cassidy]

The original is the best, no doubt.

[spidergrant]

yeah the original was good. but i think beast wars was better but that was really like a whole new robot franchise almost.

[spidergrant]

The original is the best, no doubt.
well they are really meant for kids and not adults. so you have to think of who there trying to please

[Jake Cassidy]

I'm 24 and I still watch it all the time and love it.

[XXTBWCXX]

i think it would be cool if they rebuilt jazz only he got changed a little and then went by hotrod/ rodimus


Wow...really?

Lol.

Why don't you just have him be Ben Parker's REAL killer.

It wasn't the robber, or Flint, it was Ben's car. Haha.

[spidergrant]

lol. that was kind of random

[Golgo-13]

Bay Briefly Talks Transformers 2
Source: E! Online
October 24, 2007


E! Online caught up with Transformers director Michael Bay at Hollywood Film Festival's Hollywood Awards and asked about the sequel:

So, where do you go with it? How do you up the stakes?
It's not about upping it. It's about still keeping the heart.

Any new characters coming in?
Oh, yeah…a lot of fun stuff. I keep telling the writers, remember the heart and the magic, remember the heart and the magic. It's not about being bigger.

DreamWorks is targeting a June 26, 2009 release date for the follow-up.

:yay:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Naw...I don't think Bay would have the same guy voice another Autobot.

But when that exclusive red carpet thing was on the internet, the guy giving interviews, he talked to Darius and he(Darius) mentioned that even though Jazz died, Bay still asked him to be free during production of TF 2.

And to sto_vo_kor_2000, I doubt it'll be a movie recap, cuz they could have just recored his voice from the first film, and seeing a flashback of Cybtertron would be stellar, but would a flashback scene of Jazz be needed? No, that's why I think he's(Jazz) returning.

Jazz was one of my favourite characters in TF, and i do hope he returns, but it needs to be done in a not corny way and in a way were it is a one-shot thing. Like they can only revive one Autobot using whateer method we use. Otherwise characters will be coming back willy-nilly and we lose the impact of all of the death scene's.

[Asteroid-Man]

The decepticons should take the stuff with them back to Cybertron with Mikaela and the autobots and Sam go after them so in the third one we have this huge battle on another planet.

[spidergrant]

and a glimpses of transformers with cybertron modes would be cool like springer, cup, blurr, and maybe arcee but they made a toy of her as a motorcycle so i dont see he being in there

[Dr Lee]

Where are IronHide, Ratchet, Lennox and his team?

That stuff sounds cool..... Though i wish it's not the actual plot as i don't want to get as spoiled on TF2 (&3) as i was on TF1.

[Destructicus]

i think it would be cool if they rebuilt jazz only he got changed a little and then went by hotrod/ rodimus

I suggested that a little while ago. Look for my thread and read everyones reactions on that. No one liked it.

[spidergrant]

ok what post was it

[Chris B]

I found a post from Robert Orci over at the Transformers Movie board where he mentioned some of the characters that him and Alex Kurtzman considered using in the first movie. Since those two are coming back, it may give us an idea as to who may be on their mind as far as new characters are concerned.

http://boards.transformersmovie.com/showpost.php?p=388609&postcount=280

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I suggested that a little while ago. Look for my thread and read everyones reactions on that. No one liked it.

I still dont like it........they were different characters in G1 and that should remain the same..and besides Jazz was a sesoned warrior....and a great unit commander from the first time we meet him.Hot Rod on the other was a young punk that didnt know when to stay out of a fight and his carelessness help to get Prime killed in G1.I cant see Jazz as that incompetant.:trans:

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I found a post from Robert Orci over at the Transformers Movie board where he mentioned some of the characters that him and Alex Kurtzman considered using in the first movie. Since those two are coming back, it may give us an idea as to who may be on their mind as far as new characters are concerned.

http://boards.transformersmovie.com/showpost.php?p=388609&postcount=280

I've seen that too but they'll have to come up with a at least 2 different names if they use those characters.Shockwave and Hot Rod can not be used.

[Jake Cassidy]

Jazz and Ratchet's names were owned by someone else too and they used them. I don't see why they can't use Hot Rod and Shockwave.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Jazz and Ratchet's names were owned by someone else too and they used them. I don't see why they can't use Hot Rod and Shockwave.

Ratchet and Jazz's names were not owen by anybode.The reason they could not be used was ...
[1] Jazz is a form of music and the name can no longer be trademarked.
[2]A Ratchet is a type of tool and the trademark laws say you can not call something it is not.

How ever the name can be used in fiction ...comic books,cartoons and movies....but not on the toys that why the toys of these figures have the perfix Autobot before their names.
But thie prefix trick would not work with Hot Rod.The trademark owener is Hot Rod Automobile magazine.Hasbro would not be able to call the toy Autobot Hot Rod because they can not have the words Auto and Hot Rod on a toy box with out being sued for copy rights infringement.They could call him Hot Rod in the movie and call the toy something else like they did with Deverstator/Brawl but I dont see them doing this with a character that will most likly be popular with the kids.

Now the issue with Shockwave is a bit confusing.They were not able to use the name on their version of the character in the Alternaters and Energon toyline instead they went with Shockblast but they just released a robot heroes version of Shockwave with the right name so they mave have gotten the rights back on this one.

[Jake Cassidy]

I didn't know that. Thanks. I just hope, if they do use him, that they don't call him Rodimus. That's a really crappy name.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I didn't know that. Thanks. I just hope, if they do use him, that they don't call him Rodimus. That's a really crappy name.

It might be crappy but at least its reconnisable to his G1 name and its better then Hot Shot.The G1 reissue of Hot Rod was renamed Rodimus Major.The classic ,Energon and Titanium version of Hot Rod were all called Rodimus.The Armada figure Hot Shot was intened to be called Hot Rod but they changed the name.Look at all the Hot Shot repaints....they all look like G1 Hot Rod.

[Jake Cassidy]

Wow. You're a fountain of Transformers knowledge. Impressive.

Hot Shot would be alright.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Wow. You're a fountain of Transformers knowledge. Impressive.

Hot Shot would be alright.

I thank you....but I would prefer Rodimus to Hot Shot.

[Jake Cassidy]

I'd prefer Hot Rod. :oldrazz: :woot:

[Darkfly]

would have been cool if it was the real script, Hot Rod as a Ferrari 430, nice

[macdawson]

If it is fake, lets hope the real thing is at least as good . I mean, it seems a bit confusing with the main characters of the first movie scatered all over the place but if done right it would actually be a great story.I liked that some unexplained TF mythos concepts actually are explained by it like the fact that machines who are given life by the all spark all seem mas and need to be exposed to the matrix to be given a measure of reason. Cool stuff.

[Asteroid-Man]

The decepticons should take the stuff with them back to Cybertron with Mikaela and the autobots and Sam go after them so in the third one we have this huge battle on another planet.
I'd like to add this too: A huge dog-fight!

[spidergrant]

wait i just got a cool idea (in my opinion) for the end of transformers 3. ok throught many battles all the transformers have died except for optimus and megatron/galvatron (who the allspark. and prime is also part of the matrix). to avoid damage on earth optimus gets galvatron to chase him back to cybertron but once on the planet optimus and galvatron have the final battle. optimus kills galvatron but is very injured in the battle and also dies on cybertron. cybertron kind of abosorbs the two boddies and now that the matrix and allspark are in cybertron its is able to be restored and make new transformers. and there are some variables in that. like maybe not all the autobots die and stay on earth and the trap galvatron in a ship going to cybertron. and then after the battle they send a signal to cybertron and some of the new transformers come to earth

[A Dark Knight]

Fake or not, I don't mind what is in the script, the fights sound great, the new bots sound good (Bring back Jazz please), the only thing I don't really like right now is the "tension" or whatever they called it between BB and Sam and then at the end between OP and Sam. That is just stupid IMO, they all went to war together and risked their lives for each other in the first film, they are all friends and now all of the sudden we are going to make them not get along? Keep that stuff out of the film, this is Transformers not some lame soap opera.

[Destructicus]

ok what post was it


It was called "For the Fans of Hot Rod." I suggested it because we all may be pissed about it, but Movie Jazz acted like Hot Rod so to speak. Ratchet told everyone to fall back, but Jazz continued to attack. If he would of run he would have been still alive. I think they combined Jazz and Hot Rod into one personallity. To rebuild Jazz into Hot Rod makes sense in my head. Plus it would give most people what they want. We would get Jazz back and then Hot Rod could be introduced. It would be logical to Michael Bay and it would be a good plot line to get Hot Rod into leadership since Jazz was already his Lieutenant. I dont like it, but it makes sense.

[Destructicus]

Fake or not, I don't mind what is in the script, the fights sound great, the new bots sound good (Bring back Jazz please), the only thing I don't really like right now is the "tension" or whatever they called it between BB and Sam and then at the end between OP and Sam. That is just stupid IMO, they all went to war together and risked their lives for each other in the first film, they are all friends and now all of the sudden we are going to make them not get along? Keep that stuff out of the film, this is Transformers not some lame soap opera.

During the Dreamwave Generation 1 comic there was tension between Optimus and Spike. Spike blamed Optimus for the death of his father when the new Ark crashed.

[A Dark Knight]

During the Dreamwave Generation 1 comic there was tension between Optimus and Spike. Spike blamed Optimus for the death of his father when the new Ark crashed.

I know that they did it in the comic, but it just isn't something I want to see in the TF movies.

[Jake Cassidy]

It was called "For the Fans of Hot Rod." I suggested it because we all may be pissed about it, but Movie Jazz acted like Hot Rod so to speak. Ratchet told everyone to fall back, but Jazz continued to attack. If he would of run he would have been still alive. I think they combined Jazz and Hot Rod into one personallity. To rebuild Jazz into Hot Rod makes sense in my head. Plus it would give most people what they want. We would get Jazz back and then Hot Rod could be introduced. It would be logical to Michael Bay and it would be a good plot line to get Hot Rod into leadership since Jazz was already his Lieutenant. I dont like it, but it makes sense.

Jazz didn't run because at the time he was in charge (Prime wasn't there). It's his responsibility to protect the others and cover their retreat. That's what leaders do.

[spidergrant]

oh well i dont think they need to bring back jazz considering that they will probobly add a ton of new g1 characters

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

It was called "For the Fans of Hot Rod." I suggested it because we all may be pissed about it, but Movie Jazz acted like Hot Rod so to speak. Ratchet told everyone to fall back, but Jazz continued to attack. If he would of run he would have been still alive. I think they combined Jazz and Hot Rod into one personallity. To rebuild Jazz into Hot Rod makes sense in my head. Plus it would give most people what they want. We would get Jazz back and then Hot Rod could be introduced. It would be logical to Michael Bay and it would be a good plot line to get Hot Rod into leadership since Jazz was already his Lieutenant. I dont like it, but it makes sense.

Your getting bravery and responabilty mixed up with impussivness and foolhardiness.To begin with Ratchet doesnt have the rank to give orders to Jazz.Jazz was this units 2nd in command under Prime further more if Jazz had run as you suggested then who would have kept Megatron buzy.Its more likely that he would have shot them all in the back while they were running.He sacraficed him self to make sure the others got away.

[Jake Cassidy]

^ That's what I've always said.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

^ That's what I've always said.

Yes I notice it after I posted my reply.Some times I reply to a post as I see them with out reading the rest of the page:oldrazz:

[Jake Cassidy]

Yes I notice it after I posted my reply.Some times I reply to a post as I see them with out reading the rest of the page:oldrazz:


Great minds think alike. :woot:

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Great minds think alike. :woot:

Complement taken:woot:

[spidergrant]

i think op could get a new cooler second in comand like ultra magnus, prowl, red alert. so many g1 characters would work

[Jake Cassidy]

Prowl dammit

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

i think op could get a new cooler second in comand like ultra magnus, prowl, red alert. so many g1 characters would work


Redalert is way to paranoid to be anyones 2nd in command.He makes a good security chief.

[Jake Cassidy]

Yeah. I like Red Alert. He is a unique character in the Transformers world.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Yeah. I like Red Alert. He is a unique character in the Transformers world.

He's ok.

[Jake Cassidy]

Out of the second season characters I've always liked Tracks and Inferno. They'd be great for the movies.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Out of the second season characters I've always liked Tracks and Inferno. They'd be great for the movies.

Both would be great but I'd rather see Sideswipe then Tracks.

[Jake Cassidy]

Easy. Just have both.

[Iceburgeruk]

Ok i don't know if it's legit or fan made. Read at you own risk.


Act One
- Starscream returns, now self-declared leader of the Decepticons.
- Rallies the others around his goal is a new energy source derived from the Allspark that rests on Earth. Plans overheard by Hot Rod.
- Soundwave leads a faction that is still loyal to Megatron and with his followers battles Starscream and co and gains control of the resurgence ship Nemesis
- Sam and Mikaela are in college, her at community and Sam in New York. Still together.
- Sam and Bumblebee have a strained relationship since the city of gridlock makes driving a car impractical.
- Shige, unspecified Asian, is Sam's roommate and learned English from Baywatch closed caption. Guessing he is the comedian role that Anderson was for first movie.
- Nemesis slams into the ocean, destroying an aircraft carrier and taking on its form. IE Nemesis becomes a transforming aircraft carrier (something rumored to be in the sequel for a month and more).
- Soundwave takes on the form of a "large, military-grade focused sound laser" while the other Decepticons take on military vehicles that where on the downed carrier.
- Megatron's crushed lifeless form is retrieved and placed in a Cybertronian chamber. Since sound is a form of energy, therefore making Soundwave an unlimited source of energy, he is able to heal other Transformers and restore Megatron. The reason mainly because the merging of the Allspark with Meg's spark caused an overload and shutdown of his system rather then death.
- The resurrection’s side-effect results in dependency on Soundwave for energy but (I think), Meg's wouldn't like depending on anyone for survival so needs something from Prime to complete his return and sends his minions to capture Sam as leverage.
- Hot Rod lands on earth to warn Prime of Starscream's plans and coordinates for unknown energy source. The alt form, Ferrari F430, is taken from a "high-profile action movie director’s car (a cameo perhaps for Bay?).
- Autobots head to Las Vegas, with Hot Rod (with Mikaela) running ahead of them due to his speed.
- Bumblebee also heads to Vegas with Sam and Shige in tow (after a scene involving street racing).
- Mikaela finds Agent Simmons, who now works for LUXOR in Vegas, to get the location of the object.
- Everyone but Sam and company form up at the home of Linus Ellison, descendent of the Sector 7 founders.
- The second source, "City of Lights" is an orb that stores the Allspark's excess energy that was collected while being studied by Sector 7 and is used to meet the United States energy needs. The electrical conduit for the orb runs from Hoover Dam to Vegas, in effect Vegas was built to hide the orb much like Hoover Dam was built to hide the Allspark.
- The Luxor (the black pyramid) provides the access point to the orb (hence Simmons working there) resulting in a White House ordered evacuation of the entire city.

Act Two
- Sam and co still heading to Vegas, Shige still unaware of Bumblebee is a robot; watch their dorm destroyed by a giant robot on TV. Sam recognizes that means he is in danger.
- Creation Matrix is introduced and contained within Prime. The Allspark provides life, the Matrix provides the Transformers with a soul and free will. Without the matrix the Transformers are soulless primal beasts ("hence the cell phone, Xbox and Mountain Dew machine"). Decepticons therefore came from the Allspark and Matrix but used free will "to follow a path of evil". (Very slick and very obvious, I feel pretty stupid for not thinking of this).
- At this point, Starscream wants the Orb and Megatron wants the Matrix.
- Meanwhile Sam and co reach the roadblock of traffic from the evacuation of Vegas and come head to head with six construction vehicles...who merge to form Devastator.
- While trying to escape Ultra Magnus and his car load of Transformers arrive to attack Devastator and defend Sam. Meanwhile Shige pees in his pants (thinking BB wouldn't like that). A vicious battle ensues.
- Devastator is slowed buying time for a tactical retreat down Route 66 to Vegas (historic American landmark, worth googling).
- In Vegas, the largest defense force ever assembled is ready as Starscream's faction arrives in protoform.
- The force is intercepted by protoform Autobots (so three groups of Autobots) resulting in a free-fall battle until forced to break for crashing landing to Earth. The fight is rejoined and moves toward Vegas.
- Once the fight reaches Vegas, the military learns that the Decepticons no longer effected by the sabot rounds making them ineffective in the battle.
- The assault continues above ground while below Mikaela watches as Ellison and Simmons wordlessly hatch a plan.
- Night falls as the Autobots defense of the Luxor barely holds. Reinforcements arrive in the form of Sam and co. pushing back Starscream's faction.
- Sam and Shige are escorted down below as Skorponok drills through to the underground bunker undetected.
Act Three
- Skorponok is detected and despite best efforts from the military below ground, manages to sever the orb from the electrical conduit, stopping the flow of energy to the nation, plunging cities and Vegas into a blackout.
- Military re-enforcements arrive in Vegas, only to discover they where infiltrated by Megatron's forces and destroyed.
- The military lies in waste, the Autobots outnumbered and exhausted, Megatron's forces begin their assault.
- Seeing the odds, Ellison makes the call to go to the Stratosphere Tower and release a Sector 7 built electromagnetic pulse that would destroy all electronic systems within 50 miles including the Transformers and the orb. Despite knowing it would kill them; Optimus approves of the plan and orders the Autobots to clear a path up the strip.
- Soundwave, overhearing the orders, moves to intercept.
- Prime, Magnus and Hot Rod stay to defend the Luxor, the others move to defend human's move to the tower.
- Starscream, thinking the advantage is his, moves to attack the Luxor to claim the orb.
- The fight up the strip against Soundwave's troops results in a kamikaze move by two Autobots that opens the lines but also kills the military specialists for the EMP.
- Sam and Mikaela ascend the tower under assault from a Deception with Bumblebee trying to defend. Eventually Bumblebee wins forcing the weak Megatron to enter the battle and clumsily but effectively stopping the EMP and possibly killing Mikaela.
- Soundwave attacks Starscream's faction with a sonic pulse that also hits Prime who was chasing a determined Hot Rod that had ordered his retreat orders.
- Soundwave uses that opportunity to rip the Matrix from Optimus and brings it to Megatron restoring him to full strength.
- First order of business to regain the role of undisputed leader of the Decepticons by taking out Starscream those results in a dogfight in the Grand Canyon.
- The defeated Starscream's last act of defiance is a message to his faction on Cybertron, "I have prepared the way..." resulting in a mass exodus from Cybertron to Earth. (HMM so TF 2 Vegas battle is what Helm's Deep was to the Two Towers, with I guess TF 3 having a battle that will be like Return of the Kings Minas Tirith - if true sweet)
- Movie ends with the Autobots recovering in Ellison's compound, Optimus severely wounded, Hot Rod determined to right his wrong (I guess getting the matrix from Megs), Sam feeling betrayed by Prime with the death of Mikaela, and Mikaela regaining consciousness, the forcefield of the Bumblebee defeated Decepticon failing after having protected her from the destroyed Tower.
- Basically ...to be Concluded in TF 3.


I didn't even read it.

Seems higly unlikely this is real since the writerswere announced not to long ago, but who knows.

http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/

It seems unlikely but it seems good.

Positives

I would like the constructicons and their devastator form in the second film.
nice action


Negatives

A lot of the same stuff again.
I mean why the vegas area again. I know the main character would prob be there but at least pick another location in nevada. It seems very unlikely robots would alwaya be having their war outside vegas.
No dinobots. For shame.
No insecticons. For shame.
Too much action. I mean if they keep just throwing greater numbers of robots into each film they will just over do themselves by the end of the trilogy. I would prefer different autobots and decepticons shown as opposed to adding 20 more and keeping all the original ones in the loop. And then adding 50 more for the thrid film.
So much focus on the decepticon infighting. A scene or sub-plot of confrontation between starscream and megatron is okay but this summary has that basically most of the film is about that division.
Which deosn`t make a lick of sense. In the official prequel novel they have that the decepticons are nearly all in favor of megatron so where did starscream get his loyal followers. And how come he can now contact cybertron but in the first film he couldn`t call them for reinforcements?


I doubt its real. At all.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Easy. Just have both.

That would be great but I doubt they'll do it...my guess is that we'll only meat 3 or 5 new Autobots in the new film.

[spidergrant]

yeah i dont think i would want anymore than 5 new autobots

[Jake Cassidy]

Prowl, Sideswipe, Mirage, Tracks, Inferno. That'd be perfect for me.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Prowl, Sideswipe, Mirage, Tracks, Inferno. That'd be perfect for me.

I say Sideswipe,Sunstreaker so they can show a family aspect [they were brothers] Ultra Magnus and his Lieutenet Rodimus [since they cant use the name Hot rod] and ether Prowl or Grimlock.

[Jake Cassidy]

I say Sideswipe,Sunstreaker so they can show a family aspect [they were brothers] Ultra Magnus and his Lieutenet Rodimus [since they cant use the name Hot rod] and ether Prowl or Grimlock.


That'd be cool, too. As long as Sideswipe is in it, right?

[TNC9852002]

lol. No way could there be a script treatment finished this early.

-TNC

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

That'd be cool, too. As long as Sideswipe is in it, right?

Well he's sunstreaker's brother so for me if they would have to show us both of them.

[Jake Cassidy]

Well he's sunstreaker's brother so for me if they would have to show us both of them.


I agree. I just really want Sideswipe. He's my favourite after Jazz and Prowl.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I agree. I just really want Sideswipe. He's my favourite after Jazz and Prowl.

I already saw 3 of my fav's in the first movie [Prime,Ironhide & Ratchet]so every thing else will be iceing on the cake for me.If they show Grimlock I'll cream myself:oldrazz:

[Jake Cassidy]

I'm actually scared about the next movie, if they use Sideswipe. Look at the other 2 TF movies. Prowl dies in the animated one and Jazz dies in this one. I not having too much luck.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I'm actually scared about the next movie, if they use Sideswipe. Look at the other 2 TF movies. Prowl dies in the animated one and Jazz dies in this one. I not having too much luck.

Think about it this way........Jazz suvived the animated movie so maybe you should hope for ones that died in the 86 movie.

[Jake Cassidy]

Think about it this way........Jazz suvived the animated movie so maybe you should hope for ones that died in the 86 movie.

Sideswipe didn't die in the first movie. He was just never seen again. I just assumed he was still alive. But, I see your point.

Prowl is too awesome to die. His death in the other movie was pathetic, imo. Killed by a Constructicon. How humiliating. If he was killed by Megatron or Starscream, I could deal with it.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Sideswipe didn't die in the first movie. He was just never seen again. I just assumed he was still alive. But, I see your point.

Prowl is too awesome to die. His death in the other movie was pathetic, imo. Killed by a Constructicon. How humiliating. If he was killed by Megatron or Starscream, I could deal with it.

Sideswipe's death was in the original script and in the story boards along with all the season 1 Autobots and a good bulk of the season 2 Autobots so as far as I'm conserened he's dead.

[Jake Cassidy]

Sideswipe's death was in the original script and in the story boards along with all the season 1 Autobots and a good bulk of the season 2 Autobots so as far as I'm conserened he's dead.

I didn't know that. Interesting. It doesn't matter now, anyway, because there's a new start. Yippee!

[spidergrant]

Sideswipe didn't die in the first movie. He was just never seen again. I just assumed he was still alive. But, I see your point.

Prowl is too awesome to die. His death in the other movie was pathetic, imo. Killed by a Constructicon. How humiliating. If he was killed by Megatron or Starscream, I could deal with it.

i agree. and i mean he wasnt even in the form of devestator. how sad. rip g1 prowl (the best prowl ever)

[spidergrant]

I say Sideswipe,Sunstreaker so they can show a family aspect [they were brothers] Ultra Magnus and his Lieutenet Rodimus [since they cant use the name Hot rod] and ether Prowl or Grimlock.
i think they only need one, the look too much alike so i wouldnt want them both even though i love lamborghinis

[Super78]

He's an annoying prick. He brings back memories of so much that was wrong with TF from the time he took leadership in the movie, into the worst season of G1- season 3. Hot Rod is a bad ****ing omen. And i hate his guts....with a passion.

Hot Rod was o-kay.

Its when he became Rodimus Prime that really annoyed me.

Rodimus sucked -- both as a leader and in combat.

[Unkown]

I read it...but didnt want to..anyways sounds fake.

[L0ngsh0t]

Ok i don't know if it's legit or fan made. Read at you own risk.


Act One
- Starscream returns, now self-declared leader of the Decepticons.
- Rallies the others around his goal is a new energy source derived from the Allspark that rests on Earth. Plans overheard by Hot Rod.
- Soundwave leads a faction that is still loyal to Megatron and with his followers battles Starscream and co and gains control of the resurgence ship Nemesis
- Sam and Mikaela are in college, her at community and Sam in New York. Still together.
- Sam and Bumblebee have a strained relationship since the city of gridlock makes driving a car impractical.
- Shige, unspecified Asian, is Sam's roommate and learned English from Baywatch closed caption. Guessing he is the comedian role that Anderson was for first movie.
- Nemesis slams into the ocean, destroying an aircraft carrier and taking on its form. IE Nemesis becomes a transforming aircraft carrier (something rumored to be in the sequel for a month and more).
- Soundwave takes on the form of a "large, military-grade focused sound laser" while the other Decepticons take on military vehicles that where on the downed carrier.
- Megatron's crushed lifeless form is retrieved and placed in a Cybertronian chamber. Since sound is a form of energy, therefore making Soundwave an unlimited source of energy, he is able to heal other Transformers and restore Megatron. The reason mainly because the merging of the Allspark with Meg's spark caused an overload and shutdown of his system rather then death.
- The resurrection’s side-effect results in dependency on Soundwave for energy but (I think), Meg's wouldn't like depending on anyone for survival so needs something from Prime to complete his return and sends his minions to capture Sam as leverage.
- Hot Rod lands on earth to warn Prime of Starscream's plans and coordinates for unknown energy source. The alt form, Ferrari F430, is taken from a "high-profile action movie director’s car (a cameo perhaps for Bay?).
- Autobots head to Las Vegas, with Hot Rod (with Mikaela) running ahead of them due to his speed.
- Bumblebee also heads to Vegas with Sam and Shige in tow (after a scene involving street racing).
- Mikaela finds Agent Simmons, who now works for LUXOR in Vegas, to get the location of the object.
- Everyone but Sam and company form up at the home of Linus Ellison, descendent of the Sector 7 founders.
- The second source, "City of Lights" is an orb that stores the Allspark's excess energy that was collected while being studied by Sector 7 and is used to meet the United States energy needs. The electrical conduit for the orb runs from Hoover Dam to Vegas, in effect Vegas was built to hide the orb much like Hoover Dam was built to hide the Allspark.
- The Luxor (the black pyramid) provides the access point to the orb (hence Simmons working there) resulting in a White House ordered evacuation of the entire city.

Act Two
- Sam and co still heading to Vegas, Shige still unaware of Bumblebee is a robot; watch their dorm destroyed by a giant robot on TV. Sam recognizes that means he is in danger.
- Creation Matrix is introduced and contained within Prime. The Allspark provides life, the Matrix provides the Transformers with a soul and free will. Without the matrix the Transformers are soulless primal beasts ("hence the cell phone, Xbox and Mountain Dew machine"). Decepticons therefore came from the Allspark and Matrix but used free will "to follow a path of evil". (Very slick and very obvious, I feel pretty stupid for not thinking of this).
- At this point, Starscream wants the Orb and Megatron wants the Matrix.
- Meanwhile Sam and co reach the roadblock of traffic from the evacuation of Vegas and come head to head with six construction vehicles...who merge to form Devastator.
- While trying to escape Ultra Magnus and his car load of Transformers arrive to attack Devastator and defend Sam. Meanwhile Shige pees in his pants (thinking BB wouldn't like that). A vicious battle ensues.
- Devastator is slowed buying time for a tactical retreat down Route 66 to Vegas (historic American landmark, worth googling).
- In Vegas, the largest defense force ever assembled is ready as Starscream's faction arrives in protoform.
- The force is intercepted by protoform Autobots (so three groups of Autobots) resulting in a free-fall battle until forced to break for crashing landing to Earth. The fight is rejoined and moves toward Vegas.
- Once the fight reaches Vegas, the military learns that the Decepticons no longer effected by the sabot rounds making them ineffective in the battle.
- The assault continues above ground while below Mikaela watches as Ellison and Simmons wordlessly hatch a plan.
- Night falls as the Autobots defense of the Luxor barely holds. Reinforcements arrive in the form of Sam and co. pushing back Starscream's faction.
- Sam and Shige are escorted down below as Skorponok drills through to the underground bunker undetected.
Act Three
- Skorponok is detected and despite best efforts from the military below ground, manages to sever the orb from the electrical conduit, stopping the flow of energy to the nation, plunging cities and Vegas into a blackout.
- Military re-enforcements arrive in Vegas, only to discover they where infiltrated by Megatron's forces and destroyed.
- The military lies in waste, the Autobots outnumbered and exhausted, Megatron's forces begin their assault.
- Seeing the odds, Ellison makes the call to go to the Stratosphere Tower and release a Sector 7 built electromagnetic pulse that would destroy all electronic systems within 50 miles including the Transformers and the orb. Despite knowing it would kill them; Optimus approves of the plan and orders the Autobots to clear a path up the strip.
- Soundwave, overhearing the orders, moves to intercept.
- Prime, Magnus and Hot Rod stay to defend the Luxor, the others move to defend human's move to the tower.
- Starscream, thinking the advantage is his, moves to attack the Luxor to claim the orb.
- The fight up the strip against Soundwave's troops results in a kamikaze move by two Autobots that opens the lines but also kills the military specialists for the EMP.
- Sam and Mikaela ascend the tower under assault from a Deception with Bumblebee trying to defend. Eventually Bumblebee wins forcing the weak Megatron to enter the battle and clumsily but effectively stopping the EMP and possibly killing Mikaela.
- Soundwave attacks Starscream's faction with a sonic pulse that also hits Prime who was chasing a determined Hot Rod that had ordered his retreat orders.
- Soundwave uses that opportunity to rip the Matrix from Optimus and brings it to Megatron restoring him to full strength.
- First order of business to regain the role of undisputed leader of the Decepticons by taking out Starscream those results in a dogfight in the Grand Canyon.
- The defeated Starscream's last act of defiance is a message to his faction on Cybertron, "I have prepared the way..." resulting in a mass exodus from Cybertron to Earth. (HMM so TF 2 Vegas battle is what Helm's Deep was to the Two Towers, with I guess TF 3 having a battle that will be like Return of the Kings Minas Tirith - if true sweet)
- Movie ends with the Autobots recovering in Ellison's compound, Optimus severely wounded, Hot Rod determined to right his wrong (I guess getting the matrix from Megs), Sam feeling betrayed by Prime with the death of Mikaela, and Mikaela regaining consciousness, the forcefield of the Bumblebee defeated Decepticon failing after having protected her from the destroyed Tower.
- Basically ...to be Concluded in TF 3.


I didn't even read it.

Seems higly unlikely this is real since the writerswere announced not to long ago, but who knows.

http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/

this is in all likely hood the leaked script Bay was talking about

its cool forsure

but I think I would rather have constructicons or maybe dinobots, at least with the decipticons, I just don't want like a re hash of the action in the first movie, give me a slight wrinkle to through in there like constructicons or dinobots

however it does sound good, I just fear the X-men approach in which they never stray from Magneto as the villain

[protocida]

Cool as hell!