The Official Mike Dougherty & Dan Harris Thread

[Showtime]

My contention was that the new Superman would spin off from JL, but who knows.

[AgentPat]

My opinion is that if Mike and Dan are gone, Singer is or will soon to follow and unfortunately it might be the end of Brandon as Superman.Agreed.

Connect the dots folks. A new director coming on board a new Superman film - regardless of what it's called - is going to have his own "vision" and he's going to want to cast it his way. Reference George Miller and his teen JLA.

We also have the words of Greg I'm-so-confused Noveck, who just this past week saw fit to point out that each iteration of Superman needs to have a different actor in the tights so the audience won't be confused. Yeah, okay. :whatever:

Regardless, I think it's safe to say that Singer's MOS is dead at this point, despite Warner's spin machine. They will be back to Square One shortly when it comes to decisions being made for solo Superman films and the future of the franchise in general. JMHO.

[I Am The Knight]

Well, the variety article calls it a "sequel" but who knows. The one elemet the next Superman movie should have is Routh, at least, IMO.

[treeringralph]

I guess I just feel unsettled, and a bit sad. Until now, it's been fans saying, "Justice League is going to erase any possibility for MOS," and real WB sources intimately connected to the Superman franchise giving us news like, "the story idea is great, we're going ahead, JL has nothing to do with the Superman franchise." Though admittedly odd, I often found myself calmed by that latter sentiment. It seems JL news is all over the place, but MOS news, when we get it, seems solid in an "all systems are a go" kind of way.

Then this comes along. I'm not saying MOS won't get made, or that Singer won't return and with him Routh...I'm just saying I feel melancholy that the Superman Reeve established, the Superman FILM SERIES...is again, perhaps, in jeopardy.

I love you all. We're all Superman fans. I don't care what camp you're from, Love SR, Hate SR, Love Welling, Love Routh, Smallville Rules, Smallville Sucks, Reboot Please, SR2 Please...We all love Superman, and maybe he's in trouble.

We're the crowd outside of Metropolis General, nervously wandering around, waiting to hear the news... Is Superman Dead? Is Superman Alive? Is Superman Sick, or is he doing just fine, and he'll check in with us as soon as he's able?

I might be feeling a little over dramatic, but I feel queasy. The Superman I cheered about being preserved on our modern movie screens back the year before SR dropped is again in danger and there's nothing to do but wait and hear God knows what...New writers, new director, new actors?!

It's been said before, but I'll say it again. Watch X-Men and then X2, people. SR is to X-men, and we may never see what SR's X2 could've been. If that doesn't make you sad, I don't know what will.

Or...Harris and Dougherty are just ready to move from writers to directors, done taking orders, and are ready to give them. To call the shots. Maybe that's all that's happened.

I hope. That's what Superman is. Hope. And I hope that he returns to the screens. We need hope in our lives.

I'm sorry for rambling, but you all are my brothers and sister, despite whatever opinions we might have in conflict. You're the only ones who might understand.

-trr

Please speak in love towards one another. You're talking to different shades of yourself on these boards.

[Captain Clown]

YES!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwEMxYggoKQ

[super-t]

I guess I just feel unsettled, and a bit sad. Until now, it's been fans saying, "Justice League is going to erase any possibility for MOS," and real WB sources intimately connected to the Superman franchise giving us news like, "the story idea is great, we're going ahead, JL has nothing to do with the Superman franchise." Though admittedly odd, I often found myself calmed by that latter sentiment. It seems JL news is all over the place, but MOS news, when we get it, seems solid in an "all systems are a go" kind of way.

Then this comes along. I'm not saying MOS won't get made, or that Singer won't return and with him Routh...I'm just saying I feel melancholy that the Superman Reeve established, the Superman FILM SERIES...is again, perhaps, in jeopardy.

I love you all. We're all Superman fans. I don't care what camp you're from, Love SR, Hate SR, Love Welling, Love Routh, Smallville Rules, Smallville Sucks, Reboot Please, SR2 Please...We all love Superman, and maybe he's in trouble.

We're the crowd outside of Metropolis General, nervously wandering around, waiting to hear the news... Is Superman Dead? Is Superman Alive? Is Superman Sick, or is he doing just fine, and he'll check in with us as soon as he's able?

I might be feeling a little over dramatic, but I feel queasy. The Superman I cheered about being preserved on our modern movie screens back the year before SR dropped is again in danger and there's nothing to do but wait and hear God knows what...New writers, new director, new actors?!

It's been said before, but I'll say it again. Watch X-Men and then X2, people. SR is to X-men, and we may never see what SR's X2 could've been. If that doesn't make you sad, I don't know what will.

Or...Harris and Dougherty are just ready to move from writers to directors, done taking orders, and are ready to give them. To call the shots. Maybe that's all that's happened.

I hope. That's what Superman is. Hope. And I hope that he returns to the screens. We need hope in our lives.

I'm sorry for rambling, but you all are my brothers and sister, despite whatever opinions we might have in conflict. You're the only ones who might understand.

-trr

Please speak in love towards one another. You're talking to different shades of yourself on these boards.


AAA ****IN MEN!!!!

[SuperDaniel]

Its been said and i`ll say it again.

You dont know if SR2 would be like X2.

Singer had the experience of doing comic book movies, over 200 million dollars and all he could do to bring Superman back was SR wich was basically STM with a kid.

X-men are totally different from Superman. Marvel characters are totally different from DC.

Singer is a great director but just wasnt right for Superman, IMO.

I`m glad the writers are out. Maybe we`ll have some one who loves the mythollogy and is capable to do a better job.

Superman will live as a character.

It is strong enough to survive bad decisions, bad directors, kid, stalkers, giant spiders, Luthor from Krypton, etc etc

[FlawlessVictory]

YES!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwEMxYggoKQ

LOL.

Oh happy day!!! Thank the maker! Keep those two as far away from Superman as possible. They had their chance and blew it and blew it by a wide margin, IMHO. I agree with Showtime, I doubt Singer will continue this franchise without Harris and Dougherty, that is if there even is any interest from WB in wanting Singer to continue.

[ant3ros]

I share the same feelings as treeringralph. I think SR had a lot of potential and was no way a terrible movie. Even with the kid. (Boo hoo) I don't think many people here give SR a fair chance because they identify with their own vision of Superman so much that they can't relate to someone else's vision, which is different but not necessarily bad. Everyone wants to see the Superman they already know. I enjoyed Singer's Superman and thought it worked for the most part, especially as just a fresh start for the franchise. New writers doesn't necessarily mean a good or bad thing as long as the story connects if it is a sequel. I don't think the sequel should ignore any detail in SR. And, I hope Singer stays attached to make the transition to new writers smooth. MOS as a sequel shouldn't feel like a reboot.

[NotFadeAway]

Thank God....these two idiots were a big part of the problem that was SR. I doubt they pitched Darkseid to the studio, they probably don't even know who he is, just like Apt Pupil boy doesn't know what LexCorp is. The story sucked, the dialogue was awful, and well, there were no action scene's to speak of. Now lets get a real writing team in here to do some good work, shall we!!!

[Pickle-El]

I share the same feelings as treeringralph. I think SR had a lot of potential and was no way a terrible movie. Even with the kid. (Boo hoo) I don't think many people here give SR a fair chance because they identify with their own vision of Superman so much that they can't relate to someone else's vision, which is different but not necessarily bad. Everyone wants to see the Superman they already know. I enjoyed Singer's Superman and thought it worked for the most part, especially as just a fresh start for the franchise. New writers doesn't necessarily mean a good or bad thing as long as the story connects if it is a sequel. I don't think the sequel should ignore any detail in SR. And, I hope Singer stays attached to make the transition to new writers smooth. MOS as a sequel shouldn't feel like a reboot.

This is an excellent post. I feel the exact same way about this whole situation...I could have wrote this word for word. :up:

[Lobster Charlie]

Thank the Lord! Even though X1 is passable and X2 pretty decent, the X-Men deserve a lot better than what they got, IMO. Same with Superman. Singer and his buddies are ill-equipped to handle something as big as Superman.

What was their version of Darkseid going to be? Lemme guess...he'd come to earth in a "human" form, wear a suit, bald head, and run some sort of evil corporation? And then we'd see his real form at the end of the film in a CGI-laden battle in Metropolis?

I mean, really--could Bryan Singer & Co. handle something the scale of APOKOLIPS? I seriously doubt it. They seem to want to make everything so "intimate" and fill our heroes with too many weaknesses, IMO.

[Gotham]

Thank God....these two idiots were a big part of the problem that was SR. I doubt they pitched Darkseid to the studio, they probably don't even know who he is, just like Apt Pupil boy doesn't know what LexCorp is. The story sucked, the dialogue was awful, and well, there were no action scene's to speak of. Now lets get a real writing team in here to do some good work, shall we!!!

Who the hell told you that he didn't know what LexCorp is? :dry:

[OobeDoobBenubi]

So now the WB will have to cast Superman for two different movies :huh:

[Robin91939]

X-men are TOTALLY different from Superman. Yes, he made a great X-men movie but he ****ed up Superman, IMO. Thats the way it is.

He is good with characters that are like him. Outsiders, etc. Good for Marvel characters.

THat is not Superman

Superman is the ultimate outsider. Superman: The Movie, Superman: The Animated Series, Smallville, and the comics touched on him being an outsider and struggling to fit in. Singer chose this angle, and in my opinion it works. It was a story of him being an outsider, longing for his home and culture. Yet, he literally throws the remains of his home into space to save human kind....I think it was pretty powerful stuff. I would love to see Singer continue.

-R

[Gotham]

Superman is the ultimate outsider. Superman: The Movie, Superman: The Animated Series, Smallville, and the comics touched on him being an outsider and struggling to fit in. Singer chose this angle, and in my opinion it works. It was a story of him being an outsider, longing for his home and culture. Yet, he literally throws the remains of his home into space to save human kind....I think it was pretty powerful stuff. I would love to see Singer continue.

-R

Quentin Tarantino had a fantastic analogy relating to that. :hyper:

[Robin91939]

Quentin Tarantino had a fantastic analogy relating to that. :hyper:

Sarcasm?

-R

[SuperDaniel]

Superman MIGHT be the ultimate outsider. However, all he does, everything he stands for is based on uplifiting feelings, hope, above all.

THE BEAUTY of the character is that in THe greatest tragedy that has every happened to HIM(tHE DESTRUCTION OF HIS WHOLE PLANET) what he got from that is an uplifiting feeling: He was saved by Jor-el and Lara`s sacrifice.

Singer in my opinion didnt GET the character at all. A lot of people dont. He got a part of it. And thats what we got with SR.

[Robin91939]

"Clark Kent is how Superman views us... Clark Kent is Superman's critique on the whole human race."

I did not know that was a quote from him.

-R

[I Am The Knight]

Thank God....these two idiots were a big part of the problem that was SR. I doubt they pitched Darkseid to the studio, they probably don't even know who he is, just like Apt Pupil boy doesn't know what LexCorp is. The story sucked, the dialogue was awful, and well, there were no action scene's to speak of. Now lets get a real writing team in here to do some good work, shall we!!!

Yes, there were. You not being able to remember them does not mean they don't exist. :whatever:

And why would you doubt they pitched Darkseid? An alien villain was a constant piece of info tossed around MOS.

[SuperDaniel]

^That IS ALSO A TOTALLY WRONG analogy.

Superman doesnt think of himself as ABOVE people. Its not his critique AT ALL.

Its his critique on HIMSELF. He wants to fit in.

[CGHulk]

Thank gawd those two idiots are off the project, they were the main reason Superman Returns sucked so badly! Today is a happy day!

[Gotham]

"Clark Kent is how Superman views us... Clark Kent is Superman's critique on the whole human race."

I did not know that was a quote from him.

-R

Actually, it's a quote from Kill Bill, but he stole that from another film. :o

[SuperDaniel]

If Superman considers himself above people, he wouldnt be Superman at all. REad Whatever happened to the man of tomorow.

[Crook]

I don't think many people here give SR a fair chance because they identify with their own vision of Superman so much that they can't relate to someone else's vision, which is different but not necessarily bad.
Judgment of SR aside, I think most of us can at least agree that it wasn't the breakout event film that Superman deserved, after a 20 year hiatus. Especially in this day and age where practically anything is possible on the silver screen. Like someone said, I honestly do not think Singer is capable of something of this magnitude. He is clearly best suited for the smaller, dramatic films.

Superman is the ultimate outsider. Superman: The Movie, Superman: The Animated Series, Smallville, and the comics touched on him being an outsider and struggling to fit in. Singer chose this angle, and in my opinion it works. It was a story of him being an outsider, longing for his home and culture. Yet, he literally throws the remains of his home into space to save human kind....I think it was pretty powerful stuff. I would love to see Singer continue.

The outsider element wasn't the problem at all. It's definitely a plus. But there comes a time when you have to know when to draw a line between stretching that plot out. Superman as a character is supposed to inspire hope, and is above sulking in his own misery. Imo, SR failed to capture the heart and soul of the character and instead provided us with a very gloom outtake, that alienated audiences.

[SuperDaniel]

Judgment of SR aside, I think most of us can at least agree that it wasn't the breakout event film that Superman deserved, after a 20 year hiatus. Especially in this day and age where practically anything is possible on the silver screen. Like someone said, I honestly do not think Singer is capable of something of this magnitude. He is clearly best suited for the smaller, dramatic films.


The outsider element wasn't the problem at all. It's definitely a plus. But there comes a time when you have to know when to draw a line between stretching that plot out. Superman as a character is supposed to inspire hope, and is above sulking in his own misery. Imo, SR failed to capture the heart and soul of the character and instead provided us with a very gloom outtake, that alienated audiences.

Couldn`t have said it better.

[Robin91939]

Superman MIGHT be the ultimate outsider. However, all he does, everything he stands for is based on uplifiting feelings, hope, above all.

THE BEAUTY of the character is that in THe greatest tragedy that has every happened to HIM(tHE DESTRUCTION OF HIS WHOLE PLANET) what he got from that is an uplifiting feeling: He was saved by Jor-el and Lara`s sacrifice.

Singer in my opinion didnt GET the character at all. A lot of people dont. He got a part of it. And thats what we got with SR.

The whole thing about recent characterizations of Superman is that he is a God, but his time on Earth made him human. He is human, humans have emotions feel pain etc. He comes back to see the love of his life with another man, anyone would be sad...Superman- in any characterization would be sad about that.

The whole thing was to present a challenge to Superman that he couldn't simply punch to defeat. He is Superman after all, nothing can hurt him physically, so Bryan Singer listened to Norman Osborn and "attacked his heart".

He longed to be part of the human race. The one girl who accepted him had now moved on, and he was again alone. Yet, he saved the man she was with..that's pretty Superman to me. Even when he felt he didn't belong to the world, he risked his life to save it...that's pretty Superman. He put his own wants behind his own (wanted to have his Kryptonian culture and ridding the world of New Krypton)...that's pretty Superman.

I'd say Mr. Singer "got" the character.

-R

[FlawlessVictory]

Thank gawd those two idiots are off the project, they were the main reason Superman Returns sucked so badly! Today is a happy day!

"Today we celebrate Harris and Dougherty no longer being attached to a Superman film!"

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/images/independenceday.JPG

[FlawlessVictory]

So now the WB will have to cast Superman for two different movies :huh:

Where in that article does it say they would be recasting Superman if the solo franchise were to continue?

[SuperDaniel]

The whole thing about recent characterizations of Superman is that he is a God, but his time on Earth made him human. He is human, humans have emotions feel pain etc. He comes back to see the love of his life with another man, anyone would be sad...Superman- in any characterization would be sad about that.

The whole thing was to present a challenge to Superman that he couldn't simply punch to defeat. He is Superman after all, nothing can hurt him physically, so Bryan Singer listened to Norman Osborn and "attacked his heart".

He longed to be part of the human race. The one girl who accepted him had now moved on, and he was again alone. Yet, he saved the man she was with..that's pretty Superman to me. Even when he felt he didn't belong to the world, he risked his life to save it...that's pretty Superman. He put his own wants behind his own (wanted to have his Kryptonian culture and ridding the world of New Krypton)...that's pretty Superman.

I'd say Mr. Singer "got" the character.

-R

I dont wanna go through this all over again. Read the discussion me,megojoe, El payaso and others had about SR on the "WAs Superman out of character thread" .I completely disagree with you and WB does too. Superman is not about getting his love back. He is about hope and making the world a better place. I got nothing of that in SR.

The fact is...Singer`s Superman didnt resonate and was scrapped. The writers are gone. End of story.

[GNR]

Bringing Superman back to the big screen and a new generation of fans was a good idea,but the concept of rooting it into the continuity of the films of the 70s and 80s was a fool's move.

I don't care how much of a hard on Singer had for Donner,a fresh re-start would have been perfect considering the amount of time that had passed.

[Retroman]

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117974449.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
Oh-oh....this doesn't look good.:o
Sanchez from IESB chimes in...
Wow...they were gonna have Darkseid?:(

[Nightwing1977]

Thank God, I am glad Singer will not touch Superman again.

When did it said that? Last I heard, the writers are out. Not Singer. Read the title again.

Agreed.

Connect the dots folks. A new director coming on board a new Superman film - regardless of what it's called - is going to have his own "vision" and he's going to want to cast it his way. Reference George Miller and his teen JLA.

We also have the words of Greg I'm-so-confused Noveck, who just this past week saw fit to point out that each iteration of Superman needs to have a different actor in the tights so the audience won't be confused. Yeah, okay. :whatever:

Regardless, I think it's safe to say that Singer's MOS is dead at this point, despite Warner's spin machine. They will be back to Square One shortly when it comes to decisions being made for solo Superman films and the future of the franchise in general. JMHO.

Why you haven't post on SR forum in awhile until now? Cheater!! :p


But honestly, I'm sure Singer may stay despite the 2 writers are out. It not like those 2 are the only people he does movies with. For all we know, he can get Christopher McQuarrie to help out. Or maybe someone new. Time will tell. Maybe Singer can have Geoff Johns come aboard as I said somewhere else. Yeah, that's wishful thinking. :D :D

And venom420, the 2 do read comic books. Just because they didn't make the movie like some wanted doesn't mean they don't know who Darkseid is. Unless you were being sarcastic, that is. :oldrazz:

Wolzard, calm down please. It's not the end of the world, so let wait & see. If Singer doesn't return, then fine. Just as long Routh, Spacey, etc. return, then I'm fine with that. Routh deserve to play Supes again, since he was great.

[Gotham]

Oh-oh....this doesn't look good.:o

Wow...they were gonna have Darkseid?:(

Is Darkseid a bad thing for the film? :huh:

[KaptainKrypton]

Well, here's to hoping they find someone decent to pen the script now. I hope that McQuarrie is the lead option, or at least someone semi-competent that isn't a flavor-of-the-week writer. This could either be a very good omen for the quality of the sequel...or an extremely bad one. I liked SR, but if the writers aren't returning I don't necessarily see it as the end of the world, or something. I just hope the replacement(s) aren't geared towards the hollow garbage that McG/Ratner/Burton were set to film. And if it is indeed true that Darkseid was set to be the villain for the sequel they had planned, then obviously Warner doesn't understand how awesome that could've been.

[Goodgod]

This news is very very good news. I seen this on other sites.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1596/supercrowdcopylo2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[S_H_F_4839]

I hope they still make a sequel, I am not a big fan of singer or his writers so I don't see this as a bad thing, I wouldn't be opposed to them losing singer, but as long as we get a decent script this time I think this movie has potential again. I do hope that routh moves over to the JL film though now

[Carlo Comicus]

It's the end for Superman franchise.

[Superman-Prime]

I hope they still make a sequel, I am not a big fan of singer or his writers so I don't see this as a bad thing, I wouldn't be opposed to them losing singer, but as long as we get a decent script this time I think this movie has potential again. I do hope that routh moves over to the JL film though now

No. It's over. It is now dead.

I'm soo pissed. :cmad:

[wellsy]

OK, we have "The sky is falling!" group, "The sky's the limit!" group, and then all the rational people going "Hmmm...". ;)

Showtime, you might very well be right about Singer not being on the project; if that should happen, and MoS end up being a sequel to SR, then I think that Singer should at least have a production role on it, so that his ideas can be maintained even if he isn't in the director's chair.

And there is nothing saying that it is always Singer, Dougherty and Harris or bust.

If Singer really cares about the characters, then he'll do the movie, or at least stay connected to it.

My two cents.

[S_H_F_4839]

its not dead, unless people don't give the next incarnation a chance, but I understand where you are coming from, I was the same way when I heard that angs hulk wasn't getting a sequel and then hensleys punisher wasn't, but both of the new movies for each character has some potential so I can't help but think the next incarnation of superman might have the same potential.

[Retroman]

Is Darkseid a bad thing for the film? :huh:
On the contrary. Besides Brainiac and Bizzaro, Darkseid has been the supervillain many fans have been asking to have in a sequel.

If there's anyone who could pose a physical threat to Superman and give us the super fights we've been craving for it's him.

Question is why would Warners balk at this idea even if it included the kid? Was the pitch bad? Was the script bad? Would it have been too expensive?:huh:

This bit from the Variety article is strange.....
"Superman Returns" scribes Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris have opted not to come back and pen a sequel to the 2006 summer pic that would have reunited them with helmer Bryan Singer. The three also worked together on "X2: X-Men United."

Opted not to come back?Wasn't Dougherty busy penning the screenplay over the past few months?:huh:

[Octoberist]

I agree what chud.com has to say about Dougherty and Harris; they're not hacks. Well I don't think they are. It just didn't work out with Superman.

My opinion has always been mixed on SR. I think conceptionlly, it's an interesting story. But they could of went through a 100 different ways in how to approach Superman's eventual return to Earth. I just think they had the right intent but they didn't hit the ball out of the ballpark.

By all means, I don't think Superman Returns was crap. It just wasn't hitting the right notes with me, and in someways, it reminded me of Ang Lee's Hulk. Ang Lee, like SInger, is a talented director. Perhaps, this is not the right genre for them. I don't know.

[Gotham]

On the contrary. Besides Brainiac and Bizzaro, Darkseid has been the supervillain many fans have been asking to have in a sequel.

If there's anyone who could pose a physical threat to Superman and give us the super fights we've been craving for it's him.

Question is why would Warners balk at this idea even if it included the kid? Was the pitch bad? Was the script bad? Would it have been too expensive?:huh:

This bit from the Variety article is strange.....


Opted not to come back?Wasn't Dougherty busy penning the screenplay over the past few months?:huh:

They never even finished a first draft of the screenplay. I believe that was the main reason Warner opted with Justice League. The script had come in on time and was spectacular. Didn't help that many people hated Singer's Superman.

[S_H_F_4839]

I agree what chud.com has to say about Dougherty and Harris; they're not hacks. Well I don't think they are. It just didn't work out with Superman.

My opinion has always been mixed on SR. I think conceptionlly, it's an interesting story. But they could of went through a 100 different ways in how to approach Superman's eventual return to Earth. I just think they had the right intent but they didn't hit the ball out of the ballpark.

By all means, I don't think Superman Returns was crap. It just wasn't hitting the right notes with me, and in someways, it reminded me of Ang Lee's Hulk. Ang Lee, like SInger, is a talented director. Perhaps, this is not the right genre for them. I don't know.

I agree with it feeling like hulk, but I think that singer could do the genre just he doesn't identify with superman as easily as he did with xmen I think the xmen was his nitch, x3 could have been much better if singer had done it instead of superman returns IMO.

[BatJeff7786]

What happens? Superman now has a chance. Maybe someone who understands his mittology(=more than 2 movies) and has a passion for the character and will take care of him.

As Singer himself said in the documentary

"Superman will exisit long after i`m gone"

THANK GOD for that!!!

Do you mean mythology?

[Octoberist]

I agree that X3 could of been better with Singer or even Matthew Vaughn. To this day, I still surprised that X3 has a fairly large fan base when it's the one movie that did things that it shouldn't of, and in my opinion, people should of been in a bigger uproar.

But that's for a different discussion all together...

[Retroman]

I agree what chud.com has to say about Dougherty and Harris; they're not hacks. Well I don't think they are. It just didn't work out with Superman.

My opinion has always been mixed on SR. I think conceptionlly, it's an interesting story. But they could of went through a 100 different ways in how to approach Superman's eventual return to Earth. I just think they had the right intent but they didn't hit the ball out of the ballpark.

By all means, I don't think Superman Returns was crap. It just wasn't hitting the right notes with me, and in someways, it reminded me of Ang Lee's Hulk. Ang Lee, like SInger, is a talented director. Perhaps, this is not the right genre for them. I don't know.
I wish more people who disliked the movie spoke like this.
They never even finished a first draft of the screenplay. I believe that was the main reason Warner opted with Justice League. The script had come in on time and was spectacular. Didn't help that many people hated Singer's Superman.
You sure? If i'm not mistaken Dougherty did pen a few drafts.:huh:

[Octoberist]

well, i've always been a fair dude, Retro ;)

[Gotham]

You sure? If i'm not mistaken Dougherty did pen a few drafts.:huh:

I'm pretty sure that he didn't hand in a screenplay to the studio. Otherwise, you would have seen a screenplay review up on some website. They do have a treatment and were going to base the screenplay on that, though, and the treatment was handed in.

[Captain Clown]

This news is very very good news. I seen this on other sites.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1596/supercrowdcopylo2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Best picture ever.

[ervann]

Superman is the ultimate outsider. Superman: The Movie, Superman: The Animated Series, Smallville, and the comics touched on him being an outsider and struggling to fit in. Singer chose this angle, and in my opinion it works. It was a story of him being an outsider, longing for his home and culture. Yet, he literally throws the remains of his home into space to save human kind....I think it was pretty powerful stuff. I would love to see Singer continue.

-R

What you're saying is exactly the premise Singer pitched to the world, but he didn't deliver - that's the problem. And the biggest reason the film did not deliver on its premise, I feel, is the script. There were so much potential for great dialogue (which could well have made up for the lack of action, as weird as that sounds).

Why couldn't Superman made Lois understand more why he had to leave, that he had to 'see it for himself'? Krypton is a big deal. Lois didn't give a f**** about Krypton.

Lex and Superman had but two lines. That's unforgivable. The character of Superman would have doubled if he had stood and actually put up a fight of some sort on NK, even a punch to show that as a mortal he is still above most of us and will not submit. Of course he will eventually be defeated, but wouldn't it be great to have even a moment of fear in Lex's eyes to see Superman fighting back, even when exposed to kryptonite? May not be the supervillian fight we all crave, but it would have been a powerful scene anyway.

I'm rambling. Either way, I'm glad new writers will be onboard. At least there's a new hope.

[dude love]

I always figured Superman would love SR.

[Hunter Rider]

Well it at least confirms WB are planning on making another Superman movie. So many ways this could go now, does Singer really need Harris and Daugherty ? i mean lots of directors work with different script writers.
Of course this gives them a shot at doing a quasi reboot and removing some of the elements from SR that clouded the potential sequel.

[Jake Cassidy]

I hope Brandon gets another chance. He is a great Superman. I'd like it if they could keep Sam Huntington and Frank Langella. I thought those worked really well as Jimmy and Perry.

[Dark_Lord]

As long as Brandon returns as Superman, I'm fine with it.

[scifiwolf]

Right now, like a lot of others, my big concern is returning cast members, especially Brandon. I'd really like to see Chris brought on Board to write. I finally got to see Usual Suspects this summer, and I'd love to see that creative partnership back for MOS.

[Grinder]

:yay:

Wanna know what happens next?
--> As soon as JL goes into production, we get the news that Singer has "opted out of his contract". That way both, WB and Singer, save face and can go on with other projects.

Even if there still would be a plan for a direct sequel, WB will definitely wait for the JL Box Office and whether or not the audience accepts this new Superman. So the earliest another Superman movie gets made is 2010, released in 2011. But right now, in 2011, the third Batman movie will most likely happen (depending on how TDK does at the BO), so Supes wouldn't happen for yet another year, setting the direct sequel for summer 2012! That's 6 years after the disappointing first part!
Besides this little problem, the new director would likely want to do his own take on the character and not make a direct sequel and I don't think WB would do the "vague sequel" thing again = reboot with new cast!
So even if WB still thinks about another Superman movie, Singerman won't return and the next movie will be a clean reboot.

And that's not even counting the other solo flicks that could happen if JL is a success!!! We know WB is lazy and like to make just one comicbook movie, as their big tentpole, per year.

And if you still think Singer will make a sequel, think about this:
Some of you laughed about my post with Dean Cain and theCW news anchors calling SR a failure and hyping JL. Well, I don't think any studio would let their OWN employees go on the air on their OWN tv station and talk like that about a franchise that's supposed to go on with a sequel! But that's just me. Maybe WB likes to publicly crap on their future projects? Could be new way of marketing!
"Hey look people, the first movie wasn't very good and barely made money. So, go see the sequel!!!" :woot:

[RedIsNotBlue]

Christmas come early. Thank you WB. :up:

[Porygon]

That's another great franchise down the drain. Good job WB :down

[ultimatefan]

As usual, SR haters are reading a lot more into this article than it really says. Dougherty and Harris probably made a pitch that the studio wasn´t that happy with, which is why they´re hurrying the JL movie instead. None of that means Singer is out of the picture. Sam Raimi directed all three Spider-Man movies and they had different writers involved at different points.

And don´t believe for a second that WB will go out and do a Superman Begins - I have no idea why tell a step-by-step Superman origin yet again when Donner already did it brilliantly anyway. There is hardly any visible enthusiasm for Marvel´s "let´s redo this all over again" with Hulk, and SR ALREADY was supposed to be a "redo" in some ways, and with Supes being part of JL it´s likely to generate A TON of confusion for the audience to just completely redo the franchise all over again.

From the sound of how JL is shaping up and the sucess of a cheesy dumb franchise adaptation like Transformers, you´re more likely to get a retrocess to the Batman & Robin days when studios couldn´t care less for what fanboys want than the anally comics-accurate take you keep *****ing for.

[X Knight]

I'm not rejoicing until there's official word that Singer is gone........

[RedIsNotBlue]

As usual, SR haters are reading a lot more into this article than it really says. Dougherty and Harris probably made a pitch that the studio wasn´t that happy with, which is why they´re hurrying the JL movie instead. None of that means Singer is out of the picture. Sam Raimi directed all three Spider-Man movies and they had different writers involved at different points.

And don´t believe for a second that WB will go out and do a Superman Begins - I have no idea why tell a step-by-step Superman origin yet again when Donner already did it brilliantly anyway. There is hardly any visible enthusiasm for Marvel´s "let´s redo this all over again" with Hulk, and SR ALREADY was supposed to be a "redo" in some ways, and with Supes being part of JL it´s likely to generate A TON of confusion for the audience to just completely redo the franchise all over again.

From the sound of how JL is shaping up, you´re more likely to get a retrocess to the Batman & Robin days when studios couldn´t care less for what fanboys want than the anally comics-accurate take you keep *****ing for.

I am a SR hater but I want Singer back. The story and script was a cluster **** though. I also don't want anymore origin or prequel story ala Batman Begins. Let us move on to a full fledged sequel with Singer actually doing a Superman movie and not a Donner memoriam. I have ALWAYS wanted that and I am glad to see WB is likely pushing for this direction like they should have in the first place.

[Hunter Rider]

So much angst, so much hate, so many closed minds on BOTH sides.

[J.Howlett]

I want Singer to return but from the looks of this story, it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't. And if he doesn't, I pretty much won't even view the sequel, even with the perfect casting of Routh.

Lee's Hulk gets killed before we could really see what Lee can do with the character in follow ups. Fox got in it's own way with Singer on X3 and you see what we got. Spider-Man 3 is a prime cut example of studio interference in a director's vision of a character. The same will happen with Superman with Singer gone.

Say what you will but it won't be for the better, no matter how haters of Returns will spin it. The next film, under new direction and the watchful eye of WB, will be for crap. Bet on it.

[Superman4ever]

Thank G-D those 2 idiots are out! THANK G-D!

[Showtime]

Steve Younis is saying that Mike and Dan walked out on the projects by choice.

Steve Younis on October 22, 2007 2:51am EST

I can't reveal my source because I was asked not to, but I can tell you that the writers did walk away willingly from MOS because their schedules clashed with the proposed schedule for MOS. What "amount of time and effort" did they put into it that you know of for sure? My understanding is that there were only ideas put down on paper. No actual script was ever written.

[Hunter Rider]

Both sides will spin this in their favour, we'll never know the actual truth and each side of the Hype will believe the version that suits them.

[fabman]

Thank you, WB, I love ya.

Bye H & D ;)

[RedIsNotBlue]

Whether they left willingly or not they are still out and that I am glad for.

[Gotham]

Both sides will spin this in their favour, we'll never know the actual truth and each side of the Hype will believe the version that suits them.

Pretty much. You can really expect much different.

[Superman4ever]

I'd rather they leave Superman alone for a while. I think a JL movie, if done right, will breath new life into the character. And that's exactly what he needs!

[NateGray]

Wow, SR haters are sooo happy for this pathetic news, and officially for them, it is now dead.

I'm so sick of SR haters BULL****. You guys are pathetic.


No sicker than we are of you and your CRYING like a LITTLE BIOTCH

THE ONLY PATHETIC THING I SEE HERE IS YOU SPANKY.

[Super Kal]

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117974449.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
this makes me very happy :up:

[Gotham]

No sicker than we are of you and your CRYING like a LITTLE BIOTCH

THE ONLY PATHETIC THING I SEE HERE IS YOU SPANKY.


He isn't crying at all. He's fed up with everyone hating on SR and being extremely vocal about it. I can't say that I'm disagreeing with him on the point, either.

[Showtime]

Both sides will spin this in their favour, we'll never know the actual truth and each side of the Hype will believe the version that suits them.

Welcome to THE HYPE.

[Super Kal]

Well it at least confirms WB are planning on making another Superman movie. So many ways this could go now, does Singer really need Harris and Daugherty ? i mean lots of directors work with different script writers.
Of course this gives them a shot at doing a quasi reboot and removing some of the elements from SR that clouded the potential sequel.
honestly, I think he doesn't... IMO, they were holding him back, and the story suffered from it

[Super Kal]

He isn't crying at all. He's fed up with everyone hating on SR and being extremely vocal about it. I can't say that I'm disagreeing with him on the point, either.
if he doesn't like it, he can always go to another site... on one is forcing him to stay here.

[Hunter Rider]

For the 2 starting up the whole SR "haters vs lovers" stuff, stop it now, that is one sequel we DON'T need.

Welcome to THE HYPE.

Hype ?.....Hype ? I AM the Hype!!!!:cmad::oldrazz:

honestly, I think he doesn't... IMO, they were holding him back, and the story suffered from it

I'd be interested to see what he did with different writers.

[Gotham]

if he doesn't like it, he can always go to another site... on one is forcing him to stay here.


Why should he have to leave for another site?

Almost everyone across the web has the common knowledge that Superherohype is one of the busiest forum's. He shouldn't have to leave so the people he hates, more so disliking, can win. :cmad:

[mclay18]

Well, this is interesting news. But for those SR haters, why do you guys automatically assume that since Dougherty and Harris are out of the picture means that Singer is? Come on, when Singer worked on X-Men and X2 each of those had different writers, it doesn't mean he'll be out of the picture for the SR sequel.

It will be nice to have some fresh blood in for the sequel, provided it does take a different direction than SR does. Maybe something along the lines of the S:TAS, like with Brainiac or Metallo as the villains?

[RedIsNotBlue]

Jeez...now I remember why I never visited this forum...lol.

[Super Kal]

Why should he have to leave for another site?

Almost everyone across the web has the common knowledge that Superherohype is one of the busiest forum's. He shouldn't have to leave so the people he hates, more so disliking, can win. :cmad:
I'm not saying he has to leave... just that it's an option, and arguing about it isn't gonna solve anything

I'd be interested to see what he did with different writers.
me too, HR... me too

[Gotham]

I'd be interested to see what he did with different writers.


Christopher McQuarrie is the man and should definitely get his shot at Superman. :up:

[GreenKToo]

Darkseid...told you Green K. :cwink:
yes, you did at that....:wow: :woot:

[Super Kal]

honestly, I don't prefer to see him in a story... too much of an action driven character, IMO

[Hunter Rider]

Christopher McQuarrie is the man and should definitely get his shot at Superman. :up:

He'd be an interesting choice although his forte seems dark thriller as opposed to bright, action spectacle.

[Gotham]

He'd be an interesting choice although his forte seems dark thriller as opposed to bright, action spectacle.

Superman isn't that bright of a character. He can be dark, and for the most part, he is/was.

[Showtime]

What some of you are failing to realize is that Singer was calling the shots, even with the script. Mike and Dan would write and work on the script which in turn was either OKed or nixed by Singer.

[Super Kal]

What some of you are failing to realize is that Singer was calling the shots, even with the script. Mike and Dan would write and work on the script which in turn was either OKed or nixed by Singer.
... which is why I wish Singer was off the project as well :(

[Showtime]

... which is why I wish Singer was off the project as well :(

I think that is the next report you will hear.

[Gotham]

What some of you are failing to realize is that Singer was calling the shots, even with the script. Mike and Dan would write and work on the script which in turn was either OKed or nixed by Singer.

^ Which is usually how it is.

Singer wants to tell his story. I don't blame him.

[fabman]

They gotta do an Incredible Hulk on Superman... just reboot that thing, baby!

[RedIsNotBlue]

What some of you are failing to realize is that Singer was calling the shots, even with the script. Mike and Dan would write and work on the script which in turn was either OKed or nixed by Singer.

Yep. Which is why I hope if he does return he actually makes his own movie instead of trying to ride off someone elses. I think Singer could make an outstanding Superman movie if he just takes his own approach based on the comics.

[J.Howlett]

Which is a shame. Fox won't let him finish his X-Men trilogy. WB and "some" fans don't want him to finish what he had in mind on Superman. I mean, didn't WB learn it's lesson with Donner all those years ago?

You would think they would've...

[Showtime]

^ Which is usually how it is.

Singer wants to tell his story. I don't blame him.

That's not the point, some who disliked the movie believe now that Mike and Dan have "volunteered to walk away", that a better some kind of deadweight was tossed aside. Not the case, it's Bryans story to tell.

[Super Kal]

I think that is the next report you will hear.
I really hope so :up:

[Gotham]

That's not the point, some who disliked the movie believe now that Mike and Dan have "volunteered to walk away", that a better some kind of deadweight was tossed aside. Not the case, it's Bryans story to tell.

Hmm. You're saying that Bryan fired them or at least told them to take a hike?

[dark_b]

ok i have a big problem. SR had no action and no supervillain. so insted of taking the next stepp and doing brainiac they wanted to have darkseid? so they wanted to go from lifting planes and yachts to a BIG darkside?

nope.....i am sorry mr. singer but i disagree with you.

losing brandon routh is like losing C.bale IMO(today)

[Showtime]

Hmm. You're saying that Bryan fired them or at least told them to take a hike?

I am saying that if you were in the camp that disliked the movie, and you believe that Dan & Mike were the cause for the problems you have and now you think it will be different, the conductor of the orchestra was Bryan.

[Gotham]

ok i have a big problem. SR had no action and no supervillain. so insted of taking the next stepp and doing brainiac they wanted to have darkseid? so they wanted to go from lifting planes and yachts to a BIG darkside?

nope.....i am sorry mr. singer but i disagree with you.

losing brandon routh is like losing C.bale IMO(today)

Darkseid is an action oriented character and our we suddenly forgetting Singer's comment?

[J.Howlett]

Bryan's the next to go. Bet on it. It's going to happen when it shouldn't.

[Showtime]

That is usually how these things happen, and I have said it before. People once attached to the sequel will all of a sudden have other projects lined up and wont have time to do a sequel...

[Etienne]

losing brandon routh is like losing C.bale IMO(today)
apparently that is also a lot of other peoples opinions.

[Gotham]

That is usually how these things happen, and I have said it before. People once attached to the sequel will all of a sudden have other projects lined up and wont have time to do a sequel...

Bryan's Harvey film is dead in the water.

[dark_b]

Darkseid is an action oriented character and our we suddenly forgetting Singer's comment?IMO it is easier to make a faithfull brainiac then darkside. both characters can bring the same amount of action. its easier and not so risky.
IMO it would be the next logical stepp.

[J.Howlett]

Bingo, Showtime....

[GreenKToo]

I think that is the next report you will hear.
I agree. I think it was all decided months ago, but we're just now getting some info about it.
I also think that routh won't return either, because *IF* J.L. is a huge success, they'll wanna use that Superman actor in M.O.S as well. All MHO.

[Super Kal]

Darkseid is an action oriented character and our we suddenly forgetting Singer's comment?
Darkseid = all action, no story (aka X3: Singer style)... IMO anyways

[Etienne]

Darkseid = all action, no story (aka X3: Singer style)... IMO anyways
Thats what a lot of people were asking for. Thats what we will probably get with JL.

[J.Howlett]

The problem is two-fold. WB sees the kind of numbers that Spider-Man makes and think that Superman, being the first, can make those kind of numbers. But the problem is the character itself. Superman, today, isn't Batman, isn't Spider-Man for today's audiences.

[Hunter Rider]

Superman isn't that bright of a character. He can be dark, and for the most part, he is/was.

Most oif the boos ive read are light in tone and have a sense of fun, i guess he'd need to find a balance.

What some of you are failing to realize is that Singer was calling the shots, even with the script. Mike and Dan would write and work on the script which in turn was either OKed or nixed by Singer.

So are you saying Singer messed up some of their better ideas Showy ?

Which is a shame. Fox won't let him finish his X-Men trilogy. WB and "some" fans don't want him to finish what he had in mind on Superman. I mean, didn't WB learn it's lesson with Donner all those years ago?

You would think they would've...

Difference is Donner made a universally loved and praised movie.

[dark_b]

Darkseid = all action, no story (aka X3: Singer style)... IMO anywayscould be. in my honest opinion i think that brainiac is a smarter villain and it would be easier to make a movie with him.

[Super Kal]

I want a film that has just as important action as there is story... hold both as equals

[Super Kal]

So are you saying Singer messed up some of their better ideas Showy?
there's always that chance...

Difference is Donner made a universally loved and praised movie.
my thoughts exactly :up:

[dark_b]

I want a film that has just as important action as there is story... hold both as equalsi think we all want this. i am a little losing faith in singer if this is true. darkside is to much.
maybe he had the perfect story for the sequel that even you kakarot would like. i think we all agree that we have to get this script with darkside on the internet to see if singer deserved a second chance.

[J.Howlett]

And yet, they still replaced Donner and we know what happened next. The same will happen with Superman if they get rid of Singer. The past will repeat itself.

Get an action director and all you'll get is action with no story and no character and no plot. You can bank on it.

Again, look at Blade Trinity after Blade 2. Look at X-Men The Last Stand after X2. Look at Spider-Man 3 after Spider-Man 2.

Studio interference never, ever turns out well.....

[J.Howlett]

Singer and his team deserve one more shot. The worldwide box office and DVD sales sort of dictate that they should get another shot....

[jrd550]

NOOOOOOOOO!!!

It's like what happened to Donner all over again!!!!!!!

[Hunter Rider]

And yet, they still replaced Donner and we know what happened next. The same will happen with Superman if they get rid of Singer. The past will repeat itself.

Get an action director and all you'll get is action with no story and no character and no plot. You can bank on it.

Again, look at Blade Trinity after Blade 2. Look at X-Men The Last Stand after X2. Look at Spider-Man 3 after Spider-Man 2.

Studio interference never, ever turns out well.....

The point is in those instances the director change came about for reasons that didn't make sense, here they do make sense.

[Super Kal]

NOOOOOOOOO!!!

It's like what happened to Donner all over again!!!!!!!
except this time, the changes will definitely be for the better

[J.Howlett]

How do they make sense when the respond to Superman Returns, both from critics, fans, and the audience is pretty evenly split down the middle?

I mean, what did WB expect to get after spending countless amounts of dollars on rebooting the character (trying to catch up on the comic book craze) and countless restarts with a character that isn't exactly HIP today?

They're lucky to get a film that even resembles a good story after the crap that was thrown their way over the years on this character.

[Hunter Rider]

Singer and his team deserve one more shot. The worldwide box office and DVD sales sort of dictate that they should get another shot....

Not really, the movie made a LOT less than this years summer tent poles, hell it made less than the Bourne Ultimatum, that is not a good base to make a sequel from,

[Timstuff]

except this time, the changes will definitely be for the better

Indeed. Maybe if we're lucky, they'll replace the cast too and completely start over. :woot::up:

"The Origin of Superman: coming in 2010."

[Hunter Rider]

How do they make sense when the respond to Superman Returns, both from critics, fans, and the audience is pretty evenly split down the middle?

I mean, what did WB expect to get after spending countless amounts of dollars on rebooting the character (trying to catch up on the comic book craze) and countless restarts with a character that isn't exactly HIP today?

They're lucky to get a film that even resembles a good story after the crap that was thrown their way over the years on this character.

Because split down the middle from the fans and the paying public is not good enough when you fork over the kind of budget SR had, you need ppl to love it and i don't think taking an attitude of "Oh well it could have done worse" is the key to success in any walk of life.

[dark_b]

The point is in those instances the director change came about for reasons that didn't make sense, here they do make sense.WB invested 200 milions in a movie that had no action in a summer time next to summer blockbusters.
IMO its their fault :dry:

[J.Howlett]

hunter,

Again, that has to do with the character, not the film itself. That is one of the main problems with this franchise to begin with.

If you did a poll with the mass audiences, I can pretty much guarantee that they would all flock to a Batman, X-Men, or Spider-Man film before they flock to a Superman film.

Again, for Bryan to make a serviceable film to reboot WB's multi-million dollar character/franchise after the countless restarts (straight up terrible ideas) is pretty damn remarkable.

With the origin without really doing the origin out of the way, let's see where he takes it. There are plenty of plot threads left wide open in the Returns to explore the character even further than ever.

[Super Kal]

Indeed. Maybe if we're lucky, they'll replace the cast too and completely start over. :woot::up:

"The Origin of Superman: coming in 2010."
:up:

[J.Howlett]

hunter,

WB should've never made that film for that much in the first place. I mean, look what Bay did with Transformers on a 145 million dollar budget. I place some of the blame on Singer about the budget but not all of it. These hollywood execs just throw money around like it's damn candy and it'll cost them in the end.

[Hunter Rider]

hunter,

Again, that has to do with the character, not the film itself. That is one of the main problems with this franchise to begin with.

If you did a poll with the mass audiences, I can pretty much guarantee that they would all flock to a Batman, X-Men, or Spider-Man film before they flock to a Superman film.

Again, for Bryan to make a serviceable film to reboot WB's multi-million dollar character/franchise after the countless restarts (straight up terrible ideas) is pretty damn remarkable.

With the origin without really doing the origin out of the way, let's see where he takes it. There are plenty of plot threads left wide open in the Returns to explore the character even further than ever.

I disagree, i think there is a Superman movie that is capable of doing what WB want straight out the chute with the right director at the helm.

As for plot threads, there are a few i personally hope will be lost with these changes.

[J.Howlett]

hunter,

You still had to reintroduce the guy to the world without actually redoing the origin. That was the dilemna from the get go because EVERYONE knows the origin. Nobody wants to see it again and yet you can't just go right into a Superman film with a new supervillian without some basis to get it started.

Every director was having that problem with their ideas. Singer was the only bright one in the bunch to say let's get back and fix what Donner was trying to do and then go forward after we finish this first film because no matter how you spin, the origin can't be done any better for this character in the way Donner did it. That 's why Singer didn't want to do the origin directly.

Every origin film for a comic character today pretty much follows the template that Donner set. And there's a pretty damn great reason for that...

[Super Kal]

and the best that he could do was a STM rehash...

yeah, no thanks

[J.Howlett]

And let's be really honest, it's partially a rehash and original in it's own right. Don't spin it....

Someone besides Singer would've done a remake of Superman The Movie....which is better?

Again, WB and Singer were right to not directly redo the origin. It can't be done any better and it doesn't need to be done because everyone knows it.

It's not like Batman who's origin hasn't really been directly addressed or Spider-Man who's never had a film. Big differences.

[Hunter Rider]

hunter,

You still had to reintroduce the guy to the world without actually redoing the origin. That was the dilemna from the get go because EVERYONE knows the origin. Nobody wants to see it again and yet you can't just go right into a Superman film with a new supervillian without some basis to get it started.

Every director was having that problem with their ideas. Singer was the only bright one in the bunch to say let's get back and fix what Donner was trying to do and then go forward after we finish this first film because no matter how you spin, the origin can't be done any better for this character in the way Donner did it. That 's why Singer didn't want to do the origin directly.

Every origin film for a comic character today pretty much follows the template that Donner set. And there's a pretty damn great reason for that...

There were ways to do it without adding on all the baggage he added, as i said being less crap doesn't make you good either, not that i thought SR was crap but my point is i think there were ways to achieve more than what he did with a different approach to the premise.

[J.Howlett]

hunter,

Sure, they probably could've done more with the premise Singer has but this is what we got and it still cleared 391 million worldwide with a character, I still maintain, isn't as revelant or popular as some seem to think he is....

[fabman]

There were ways to do it without adding on all the baggage he added, as i said being less crap doesn't make you good either, not that i thought SR was crap but my point is i think there were ways to achieve more than what he did with a different approach to the premise.

Supah-dupah quote! :D

[Hunter Rider]

hunter,

Sure, they probably could've done more with the premise Singer has but this is what we got and it still cleared 391 million worldwide with a character, I still maintain, isn't as revelant or popular as some seem to think he is....

And i still say a Superman movie should be able to make a lot more than a Bourne movie in the US.

I won't be overjoyed if he goes but i also won't care, I am open to where this could go.

[Super Kal]

It can't be done any better and it doesn't need to be done because everyone knows it.
actually, it CAN be done better... STAS and Byrne's vision was beautifully done, and on screen it would blow away STM's version.

Everyone at WB is just too afraid to get their butts out of the past and do something original and innovative.

[matrix_ghost]

I share the same feelings as treeringralph. I think SR had a lot of potential and was no way a terrible movie. Even with the kid. (Boo hoo) I don't think many people here give SR a fair chance because they identify with their own vision of Superman so much that they can't relate to someone else's vision, which is different but not necessarily bad. Everyone wants to see the Superman they already know. I enjoyed Singer's Superman and thought it worked for the most part, especially as just a fresh start for the franchise. New writers doesn't necessarily mean a good or bad thing as long as the story connects if it is a sequel. I don't think the sequel should ignore any detail in SR. And, I hope Singer stays attached to make the transition to new writers smooth. MOS as a sequel shouldn't feel like a reboot.


I am no doubt happy that Dougherty & Harris are of the sequel and i'm still waiting for the news that Singer leaves the sequel . It's just for the better . Singer is a good director but IMO he's just not right for a superman movie or at least his interpretation. Having said that , i was one oft hose people who would've watched Wrath Of KHan-Superman if it were made. I'm hugely disappointed with SR but even so i'd watch the sequel just to see how things would end up.

Anyways i'd like to comment on what you said ( the bolded part)
I think many of us have different interpretations of various comic book characters but amongst all those people there is a singular view as how they see certain characters.
And when you deviate from that view it can ultimately lead to many people being disappointed with it.
I think that Singer had a great pitch elements presented in SR such him still longing for Krypton. That he is the ultimate outsider and that ultimately has the effect on him that he leaves earth to search for krypton. Upon his return he must win back his respect amongst earth's citizens and in particular his love Lois Lane.
That IMO is a perfect pitch but Singer just took is in a completely different direction WHICH I don't agree with and furthermore has complicated things by giving him a son.

It's not that i can't relate to his superman interpretation.I can ....to a certain extent It's his way of shaping things that i don't agree with.
God knows that my interpretation of Batman is still very different then what we got in BB. Still i rate Batman BEgins as my no 1 comic book flick of all time because it got many elements right that are associated with Batman.



Who knows maybe they'll get David Hayter working on the script :woot:

[J.Howlett]

kararot,

The high lights of the origin, no matter who did it, would've still been exactly like Donner's, exactly like it is in the comic.

The origin can't and won't change because there's no need to do it. The basics never change, no matter what "original" elements you put in.

[Timstuff]

Again, WB and Singer were right to not directly redo the origin. It can't be done any better and it doesn't need to be done because everyone knows it.

Highlighted in green is the part that's true.

[Super Kal]

kararot,

The high lights of the origin, no matter who did it, would've still been exactly like Donner's, exactly like it is in the comic.

The origin can't and won't change because there's no need to do it. The basics never change, no matter what "original" elements you put in.
you cannot say that as fact because the fact is no one knows... they couldn't think out of a 20 yr old box, and it hurt the film.

[matrix_ghost]

As usual, SR haters are reading a lot more into this article than it really says. Dougherty and Harris probably made a pitch that the studio wasn´t that happy with, which is why they´re hurrying the JL movie instead. None of that means Singer is out of the picture. Sam Raimi directed all three Spider-Man movies and they had different writers involved at different points.

And don´t believe for a second that WB will go out and do a Superman Begins - I have no idea why tell a step-by-step Superman origin yet again when Donner already did it brilliantly anyway. There is hardly any visible enthusiasm for Marvel´s "let´s redo this all over again" with Hulk, and SR ALREADY was supposed to be a "redo" in some ways, and with Supes being part of JL it´s likely to generate A TON of confusion for the audience to just completely redo the franchise all over again.

From the sound of how JL is shaping up and the sucess of a cheesy dumb franchise adaptation like Transformers, you´re more likely to get a retrocess to the Batman & Robin days when studios couldn´t care less for what fanboys want than the anally comics-accurate take you keep *****ing for.


True , but i think the reason why many people are thinking that Singer will drop out soon is because just like any director you want to have your core members always attached when making a movie. Especially with things such as screen writing etc.
It's just like Spielberg always has Janusz Kaminsky as cinematorgrapher for his movies ( well ever since Schindler's List) , John Williams as his composer and Dennis Muren as his VFX supervisor. He's comfortable with the people hes working with. Ditto with Peter Jackson who has his his wife & fran
philippa boyens as his co-screenwriters.

Raimi had his brother for all 3 spider-man movies and david koepp as the writer on the first movie. Sargent worked Spiderman 2 and 3.

Dougherty and Harris worked with Singer on X2 and subsequently on SR.To just suddenly stop doesn't necessarely mean doom , but it could be an indication that Singer will eventually bow out.
Or not because just like you said , there are often different writers attached for various projects. But again , directors always tend to work with a core crew especially if they can hit it off. Clearly that happened with writers and singer on SR and X2

[Jlandsw]

Somebody fly me down to WB's studio. I wanna pitch an idea!!!!!


...yes I'm serious.

[Gotham]

Somebody fly me down to WB's studio. I wanna pitch an idea!!!!!


...yes I'm serious.


Excel has beat you to it, apparently, I think. :cwink:

[Showtime]

To Hunter's question, I am not necessarily saying that Singer messed up all the ideas, but if you read the script and compare it to the movie then you will see a better flow and a better story. Sure, I know that scripts rarely if ever, make it to the screen as they are but the editing for thsi movie was horrible. Some of what was cut out of the drafts of the script was better than what was filmed, some of what was cut from the film would have made for a better story. It's a nightmare.

[matrix_ghost]

Somebody fly me down to WB's studio. I wanna pitch an idea!!!!!


...yes I'm serious.

I think we all want to pitch in our ideas :woot:

But seriously it's not impossible. I remember reading somewhere that a guy who posted at ( i think) AICN had once written a script and it was brought under WB's attention. They liked it so much that they bought it. Dunno if they went ahead to use it as a script for the next superman sequel ( this btw is development hell period before SR) and ultimately decided it çouldn't work or they simply didn't use it

[Showtime]

It would be incredibly easy to get Superman off the ground without retelling the origin or continuing from Singer's film.

[LastSunrise1981]

I think the only reason why SR is hated is because it doesn't have wall to wall action. Personally I love the film and find it to be a great piece of art on the big screen.

But in any case, my guess is they'll probably do a complete restart of Supermans origins and include mindless action so fanboys can be happy.

[FlawlessVictory]

Singer is just as responsible for the lame SR story as were the two writers, so IMO, he needs to go as well. All three of them were on that vacation talking about how they came up with that story. The only difference is, Singer didn't flesh out the story into a script, but those were still his ideas in there! And because Singer was so close to the two writers on creating this story, I feel/hope he will be next to leave or not be asked back to continue this franchise.

[Darth Rockwell]

now we need to get rid of singer

[FlawlessVictory]

I think the only reason why SR is hated is because it doesn't have wall to wall action. Personally I love the film and find it to be a great piece of art on the big screen.

But in any case, my guess is they'll probably do a complete restart of Supermans origins and include mindless action so fanboys can be happy.

LOL, ever hear of balancing both action and story? Spider-Man 2 anyone? NO ONE is asking for wall to wall action.

[FlawlessVictory]

It would be incredibly easy to get Superman off the ground without retelling the origin or continuing from Singer's film.

How do you market the film though? People will be confused, is it a continuation of Singer's story or a reboot or something else? etc... This needs to be made clear in the advertising.

[LastSunrise1981]

LOL, ever hear of balancing both action and story? Spider-Man 2 anyone? NO ONE is asking for wall to wall action.

Yes, A LOT of fanboys are asking for wall to wall action. None of them ever talk about the story itself, but rather who is Superman fighting and how come he's not punching anything.

You have some fans who HATE Spider-Man 2, simply because according to them the action was too short and not enough of it. I have no problems with Singers Superman except that he tried to recreate Donners version. Had Donner's version not existed and this was just Singers film? Then it wouldn't be an issue now.

But overall I thought the film gave a new perspective on Superman. I loved how dark the story was, loved how Luthor became vicious towards the end, and loved how beautiful the flight sequences looked on the big screen. In any case what's done is done and it's time to move forward.

[Motown Marvel]

if the boys OPTED to leave, then im sure singer will stick around. if they were actually fired, then im not so sure he will. i hope he stays though, and i hope he does a sequel. i really dont think WB is gonna do a re-start anytime soon. im not buying that part of the article.

[Jlandsw]

I think we all want to pitch in our ideas :woot:

But seriously it's not impossible. I remember reading somewhere that a guy who posted at ( i think) AICN had once written a script and it was brought under WB's attention. They liked it so much that they bought it. Dunno if they went ahead to use it as a script for the next superman sequel ( this btw is development hell period before SR) and ultimately decided it çouldn't work or they simply didn't use it

How much time do you think I would have to write a basic script outline to get the WB's attention because I really want to do this.

[Showtime]

How do you market the film though? People will be confused, is it a continuation of Singer's story or a reboot or something else? etc... This needs to be made clear in the advertising.

Heh Heh.

Nobody is going to get confused. It is easily marketable, people just want to be entertained. This movie would be coming out between 2010-2012, you just tell a Superman story. You make it clear Superman has been here before, you don't step on what's been done but you don't bring it forward either. It's not difficult.

[FlawlessVictory]

Yes, A LOT of fanboys are asking for wall to wall action. None of them ever talk about the story itself, but rather who is Superman fighting and how come he's not punching anything.

You have some fans who HATE Spider-Man 2, simply because according to them the action was too short and not enough of it. I have no problems with Singers Superman except that he tried to recreate Donners version. Had Donner's version not existed and this was just Singers film? Then it wouldn't be an issue now.

But overall I thought the film gave a new perspective on Superman. I loved how dark the story was, loved how Luthor became vicious towards the end, and loved how beautiful the flight sequences looked on the big screen. In any case what's done is done and it's time to move forward.

Well, to be honest with you, I'm on these SR boards a lot and I have never read anyone write that they want "wall to wall action". But if you have seen that, so be it. I've heard people say they want Superman fighting someone or punching something but does that equal "wall to wall action"? I wouldn't think so. But I agree with moving forward, I'm tired of real estate Lex, lets move on from him. :yay:

[FlawlessVictory]

Heh Heh.

Nobody is going to get confused. It is easily marketable, people just want to be entertained. This movie would be coming out between 2010-2012, you just tell a Superman story. You make it clear Superman has been here before, you don't step on what's been done but you don't bring it forward either. It's not difficult.

Then you need to recast Superman, would you agree? Because to have Routh back, how can one not think it has to do with Singer's film?

[Showtime]

Then you need to recast Superman, would you agree? Because to have Routh back, how can one not think it has to do with Singer's film?

Certainly. Entire new cast. You can't carry Routh forward if that was what you were refering too previously. If you are telling a different story in a different movie universe, you can't use the same actors. General public would definately be confused.

[nintendo nerd]

Last night I watched SR again, after 6 months. I tried to see the film without my love for it beat my way of thinking. I realized there were many flaws with it, flaws that didn't make it attractive to the audience, flaws that sometimes made it boring, flaws that sometimes made it look like it wasn't a Superman movie. This is all my opinion:

Good things about SR:

- William theme ( Fits Superman perfect )

- The plane rescue scene.

- The lift of New Krypton

- The speech of Superman to Jason at the end of the movie.

- Superman flying to receive the rays from the Sun.

Bad thing about SR:

- The movie most of the time feels depressing.

- The lack of lines for Superman ( Routh did a great job with his face expressions, but is not enough) He is not Batman. Superman talks a lot.

- After the plane rescue scene, theres like an hour that feels really boring.

- The scene where Superman gets shot in the eye, should've been spectacular, it's not. In fact it feel kind of forced.

- Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane doesn't work. She looks too young and I never felt I was looking at Lois Lane in her. Bad casting desicion by Singer. I don't know why Keri Russell didn't stay.

Too Many, many "homages" to STM. Which makes the movie feel dated and feel like you watched almost the same 30 years ago.

- The budget was way too big for the story. IMO you didn't need 200 million to make SR.


In conclusion:

SR is a good movie but it wasn't great as most of the people expected. STM was a great movie but there's great material on the comic books.
And Singer just ignored it. That wasn't a good decision.

What I don't like is that many people only blame Singer. What about WB ? They approved the project. They knew it was too similar to STM, they knew it lacked action, they knew Superman wouldn't talk much.

After this, I don't mind Harris and Doughery leaving, I think I wouldn't mind If Singer leaves too, either.

One thing I'm sure of, is that Routh was a great Superman. Watching him on SR, always brings a smile on my face. Whatever happens with this franchise, I hope Routh could play the man of steel again.

[Super Kal]

he ignored a lot of things :(

[Showtime]

The problem with the "action story" in Superman Returns was that the biggest action piece comes at the end of what can be considered the 1st act. The plane rescue was breathtaking in my opinion, and one of the best sequences in comicbook movie history. That being said, when you're a writer or a director, it's your responsibility to escalate the action from there, which never happened in SR. That was one of the biggest problems with the action story in Superman Returns. You feature a menacing Supervillian going into the 2nd and 3rd act, the sequel is already greenlit.

[matrix_ghost]

How much time do you think I would have to write a basic script outline to get the WB's attention because I really want to do this.

IMO won't work. If you're really that passionate write a whole script and send it to WB. I know it sound silly to do that but given the fact that you're essentially just someone who browses on forums etc , you can't afford to write a plot outline. That's something directors can afford.

If you think you have it in you , write a script and send it to WB.

[matrix_ghost]

The problem with the "action story" in Superman Returns was that the biggest action piece comes at the end of what can be considered the 1st act. The plane rescue was breathtaking in my opinion, and one of the best sequences in comicbook movie history. That being said, when you're a writer or a director, it's your responsibility to escalate the action from there, which never happened in SR. That was one of the biggest problems with the action story in Superman Returns. You feature a menacing Supervillian going into the 2nd and 3rd act, the sequel is already greenlit.

Exactly

[Showtime]

IMO won't work. If you're really that passionate write a whole script and send it to WB. I know it sound silly to do that but given the fact that you're essentially just someone who browses on forums etc , you can't afford to write a plot outline. That's something directors can afford.

If you think you have it in you , write a script and send it to WB.

It is not as simple as that, trust me. It usually doesn't get you anywhere to send an unsolicited script to a studio. There are steps to take.

[Showtime]

(y)

What does that mean?

[FlawlessVictory]

Last night I watched SR again, after 6 months. I tried to see the film without my love for it beat my way of thinking. I realized there were many flaws with it, flaws that didn't make it attractive to the audience, flaws that sometimes made it boring, flaws that sometimes made it look like it wasn't a Superman movie. This is all my opinion:

Good things about SR:

- William theme ( Fits Superman perfect )

- The plane rescue scene.

- The lift of New Krypton

- The speech of Superman to Jason at the end of the movie.

- Superman flying to receive the rays from the Sun.

Bad thing about SR:

- The movie most of the time feels depressing.

- The lack of lines for Superman ( Routh did a great job with his face expressions, but is not enough) He is not Batman. Superman talks a lot.

- After the plane rescue scene, theres like an hour that feels really boring.

- The scene where Superman gets shot in the eye, should've been spectacular, it's not. In fact it feel kind of forced.

- Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane doesn't work. She looks too young and I never felt I was looking at Lois Lane in her. Bad casting desicion by Singer. I don't know why Keri Russell didn't stay.

Too Many, many "homages" to STM. Which makes the movie feel dated and feel like you watched almost the same 30 years ago.

- The budget was way too big for the story. IMO you didn't need 200 million to make SR.


In conclusion:

SR is a good movie but it wasn't great as most of the people expected. STM was a great movie but there's great material on the comic books.
And Singer just ignored it. That wasn't a good decision.

What I don't like is that many people only blame Singer. What about WB ? They approved the project. They knew it was too similar to STM, they knew it lacked action, they knew Superman wouldn't talk much.

After this, I don't mind Harris and Doughery leaving, I think I wouldn't mind If Singer leaves too, either.

One thing I'm sure of, is that Routh was a great Superman. Watching him on SR, always brings a mile on my face. Whatever happens with this franchise, I hope Routh could play the man of steel again.

Excellent post, that was very fair of you, considering how much you like the movie. I agree WB needs to take just a big a hit as Singer and his writers do. They(WB) knew what they were getting themselves into.

[matrix_ghost]

What does that mean?

That should've been the thumbs up smilie

[Showtime]

That should've been the thumbs up smilie

You scared me! :cwink:

[FlawlessVictory]

Certainly. Entire new cast. You can't carry Routh forward if that was what you were refering too previously. If you are telling a different story in a different movie universe, you can't use the same actors. General public would definately be confused.

I would say the only thing that is holding WB back from canning Singer's franchise in its entirety is Routh. A lot of people liked Routh(myself included) so they are a bit torn. But at the end of the day, IMO, I feel he will not be enough and they will just start a new franchise with a new continuity.

[matrix_ghost]

It is not as simple as that, trust me. It usually doesn't get you anywhere to send an unsolicited script to a studio. There are steps to take.

Of course there are. But that doesn't mean you need to be put off by that. Writing something is already a step in the right direction. I know Hollywood is difficult to get into but it can be done.

I'm still searching for that story of some random dude who's superman script got bought by WB

[dark_b]

Heh Heh.

Nobody is going to get confused. It is easily marketable, people just want to be entertained. This movie would be coming out between 2010-2012, you just tell a Superman story. You make it clear Superman has been here before, you don't step on what's been done but you don't bring it forward either. It's not difficult.thats not true showtime. transformers had a deep sory and it bombed.
i mean transformers had a deep story and it made milions.

sorry i forgot......transformers was a funny action movie with big robots fighting and it made milions. so i agree with you. peopel want to be entertained. i will now always use TF as an example. people will use SR as an example that the only reason it didnt make money was because the story sucked. i think this is not corect. when it comes down action is waht matter in summer IMO. it has to be fun and it has to have action....they want to be entertained. and if you invest 200 milions and if you dont have an event epic movie ...then the stuidio failed IMO.

[aroundthefur33]

all new cast and a freaking reboot like batman...because sick of the donnerverse i am, i still think they screwed superman returns right the F*** up!

[dark_b]

The problem with the "action story" in Superman Returns was that the biggest action piece comes at the end of what can be considered the 1st act. The plane rescue was breathtaking in my opinion, and one of the best sequences in comicbook movie history. That being said, when you're a writer or a director, it's your responsibility to escalate the action from there, which never happened in SR. That was one of the biggest problems with the action story in Superman Returns. You feature a menacing Supervillian going into the 2nd and 3rd act, the sequel is already greenlit.showtime i dont want to suck up to you but sometimes it makes me angry that you are so right. when will you writte somthing where we dont agree with you?
sorry but you are to perfect......we need to give you dark colors and a jason(kid) :woot:
so i agree with your post 100%. a supervillain with good action scenes would greenlight the sequel.

[Hunter Rider]

To Hunter's question, I am not necessarily saying that Singer messed up all the ideas, but if you read the script and compare it to the movie then you will see a better flow and a better story. Sure, I know that scripts rarely if ever, make it to the screen as they are but the editing for thsi movie was horrible. Some of what was cut out of the drafts of the script was better than what was filmed, some of what was cut from the film would have made for a better story. It's a nightmare.

Ive never read the script but i trust your take on it.

LOL, ever hear of balancing both action and story? Spider-Man 2 anyone? NO ONE is asking for wall to wall action.

Exactly, I don't get why ppl think that everyone that had issues with SR just wants "T3h Aci0nrr0z":huh:

[FlawlessVictory]

Of course there are. But that doesn't mean you need to be put off by that. Writing something is already a step in the right direction. I know Hollywood is difficult to get into but it can be done.

I'm still searching for that story of some random dude who's superman script got bought by WB

The Alex Ford "Man of Steel" script?

[Showtime]

Of course there are. But that doesn't mean you need to be put off by that. Writing something is already a step in the right direction. I know Hollywood is difficult to get into but it can be done.

I'm still searching for that story of some random dude who's superman script got bought by WB

You're talking about Alex Ford.

[Showtime]

thats not true showtime. transformers had a deep sory and it bombed.
i mean transformers had a deep story and it made milions.

sorry i forgot......transformers was a funny action movie with big robots fighting and it made milions. so i agree with you. peopel want to be entertained. i will now always use TF as an example. people will use SR as an example that the only reason it didnt make money was because the story sucked. i think this is not corect. when it comes down action is waht matter in summer IMO. it has to be fun and it has to have action....they want to be entertained. and if you invest 200 milions and if you dont have an event epic movie ...then the stuidio failed IMO.

Heh Heh.

That is exactly what people want to see in a Summer movie, although I personally enjoyed Superman Returns, it was a Winter movie. It's not an excuse, it's a fact.

[Showtime]

showtime i dont want to suck up to you but sometimes it makes me angry that you are so right. when will you writte somthing where we dont agree with you?
sorry but you are to perfect......we need to give you dark colors and a jason(kid) :woot:
so i agree with your post 100%. a supervillain with good action scenes would greenlight the sequel.

You're making me blush. :csad:

It is Film 101, each act has to ascend about the previous act carrying the story forward. Not just the action story, but the emotional story. I think Singer had somewhat of a grasp on the emotional story, maybe too much in some respects, but the action story didn't build as it should have.

[DarkSuperman]

Last night I watched SR again, after 6 months. I tried to see the film without my love for it beat my way of thinking. I realized there were many flaws with it, flaws that didn't make it attractive to the audience, flaws that sometimes made it boring, flaws that sometimes made it look like it wasn't a Superman movie. This is all my opinion:

Good things about SR:

- William theme ( Fits Superman perfect )

- The plane rescue scene.

- The lift of New Krypton

- The speech of Superman to Jason at the end of the movie.

- Superman flying to receive the rays from the Sun.

Bad thing about SR:

- The movie most of the time feels depressing.

- The lack of lines for Superman ( Routh did a great job with his face expressions, but is not enough) He is not Batman. Superman talks a lot.

- After the plane rescue scene, theres like an hour that feels really boring.

- The scene where Superman gets shot in the eye, should've been spectacular, it's not. In fact it feel kind of forced.

- Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane doesn't work. She looks too young and I never felt I was looking at Lois Lane in her. Bad casting desicion by Singer. I don't know why Keri Russell didn't stay.

Too Many, many "homages" to STM. Which makes the movie feel dated and feel like you watched almost the same 30 years ago.

- The budget was way too big for the story. IMO you didn't need 200 million to make SR.


In conclusion:

SR is a good movie but it wasn't great as most of the people expected. STM was a great movie but there's great material on the comic books.
And Singer just ignored it. That wasn't a good decision.

What I don't like is that many people only blame Singer. What about WB ? They approved the project. They knew it was too similar to STM, they knew it lacked action, they knew Superman wouldn't talk much.

After this, I don't mind Harris and Doughery leaving, I think I wouldn't mind If Singer leaves too, either.

One thing I'm sure of, is that Routh was a great Superman. Watching him on SR, always brings a smile on my face. Whatever happens with this franchise, I hope Routh could play the man of steel again.

I don't have a problem with Routh I thought he was a good Superman. He just needed a better costume and more lines. As for the film itself, its kinda boring...I have it on DVD and I can't ever bring myself to watch it all the way through. I watch the plane Scene then cut it off.

I don't entirely blame the writers cause the entire plot of Superman Returns was Singer's lame concept. Hopefully The WB will correct his mistakes and do a true Superman story complete with accurate character portrayals, a supervillain, and a HOT Lois Lane who can act.

OH, and for ONCE I'd like to see a Jor-El that couldn't double as Santa Claus...Superman's father should look like he could be superman too, why is he always some old dude who looks nothing like Superman? That irritates me to no end.

[nintendo nerd]

The problem with the "action story" in Superman Returns was that the biggest action piece comes at the end of what can be considered the 1st act. The plane rescue was breathtaking in my opinion, and one of the best sequences in comicbook movie history. That being said, when you're a writer or a director, it's your responsibility to escalate the action from there, which never happened in SR. That was one of the biggest problems with the action story in Superman Returns. You feature a menacing Supervillian going into the 2nd and 3rd act, the sequel is already greenlit.

Or maybe leaving the possibility of a new villian for a sequel, just like in BB and Spider - man 2. Brainiac following Clark's ship and landing in Smallville.

[nintendo nerd]

I don't have a problem with Routh I thought he was a good Superman. He just needed a better costume and more lines. As for the film itself, its kinda boring...I have it on DVD and I can't ever bring myself to watch it all the way through. I watch the plane Scene then cut it off.

I don't entirely blame the writers cause the entire plot of Superman Returns was Singer's lame concept. Hopefully The WB will correct his mistakes and do a true Superman story complete with accurate character portrayals, a supervillain, and a HOT Lois Lane who can act.

OH, and for ONCE I'd like to see a Jor-El that couldn't double as Santa Claus...Superman's father should look like he could be superman too, why is he always some old dude who looks nothing like Superman? That irritates me to no end.


http://static.flickr.com/51/146136341_b49b3f5ddb_o.jpg

[matrix_ghost]

You're talking about Alex Ford.



The Alex Ford "Man of Steel" script?



Yup that's the one. ANy word if it was good or not :huh:

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yup that's the one. ANy word if it was good or not :huh:

Well this is it I believe.

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/movies/movies.php?topic=alex-ford-script

[Showtime]

I would say the only thing that is holding WB back from canning Singer's franchise in its entirety is Routh. A lot of people liked Routh(myself included) so they are a bit torn. But at the end of the day, IMO, I feel he will not be enough and they will just start a new franchise with a new continuity.

From everything I have heard, from everything that has been reported, WB seemed to have liked Routh. Problem is he is now attached to Singer in a way.

[Binker]

I want to clearify this, thanks to my source:

- The writers did walk away willingly from MOS because their schedules clashed with the proposed schedule for MOS.

- The understanding is that there were only ideas put down on paper. No actual script was ever written.

Harris and Dougherty are no longer working on the sequel to "Superman Returns". THAT'S IT! Everything else, Singer included, is just speculation. We don't know anything yet. Just because the writers aren't invovled, doesn't mean MOS is down the tubes.

Now everything, please UNDERSTAND THAT!!!

[Showtime]

Yup that's the one. ANy word if it was good or not :huh:

It's just OK to me.

[matrix_ghost]

Well this is it I believe.

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/movies/movies.php?topic=alex-ford-script

Thnx , i'll give it a read

[Super Kal]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=13046514&postcount=250
I would LOVE to see that version on the big screen in live action

[matrix_ghost]

From everything I have heard, from everything that has been reported, WB seemed to have liked Routh. Problem is he is now attached to Singer in a way.

How so :huh:
I thought he's contracted to do two more superman sequels . Not brian singer sequels :huh:

[DarkSuperman]

whats with the picture?

[FlawlessVictory]

How so :huh:
I thought he's contracted to do two more superman sequels . Not brian singer sequels :huh:

If they get rid of Singer and bring in a new director then it's most likely they want a new continuity and nothing to do with Singer's movie otherwise they would just bring Singer back. And new continuity means new Superman otherwise the audience would be scratching their heads.

[BenReilly]

Here's something interesting. Superman/comic book writer, Mark Millar is throwing his hat in the ring, to write the new Superman film...

It's 8.58am right now, my guys at CAA get into the office in about seven hours and my call will be waiting for them to talk about this. I want to revamp Superman like Hillary wants thin ankles. Revamping this franchise is what I as given fingers for and so, invited or not, I'm putting my plan together now. I've been asked to work on half a dozen screenplays lately, but this is the only one I have ever truly wanted.

As most here know, I have literally hundreds of pages of notes and sketches just waiting for this opportunity. This would be my dream gig and, as a fan, I know exactly what this project needs to work. This has to be Superman for the 21st Century, keeping everything we adore, but starting from scratch and making the kids love it as much as the 30-somethings. I would honestly write this thing for free.

Anyway, my treatment is being polished as we type. Wish me luck. I want to do that Superman movie we all want to see.

http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=74258

[Super Kal]

If they get rid of Singer and bring in a new director then it's most likely they want a new continuity and nothing to do with Singer's movie otherwise they would just bring Singer back. And new continuity means new Superman otherwise the audience would be scratching their heads.
that sounds so good right now

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yeah Routh has a contract with WB not Singer. It is entirely up to WB whether they want him back or not.

[FlawlessVictory]

Here's something interesting. Superman/comic book writer, Mark Millar is throwing his hat in the ring, to write the new Superman film...



http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=74258

:up::up::up:

[Showtime]

Or maybe leaving the possibility of a new villian for a sequel, just like in BB and Spider - man 2. Brainiac following Clark's ship and landing in Smallville.

Well they did leave possibilities open for sequels, just nothing major. It was all..."vague".

[RedIsNotBlue]

Here's something interesting. Superman/comic book writer, Mark Millar is throwing his hat in the ring, to write the new Superman film...



http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=74258

Very nice. That is the key sentence right there. "I will write this thing for free." That is a guy I would put my faith in.

[ervann]

Last night I watched SR again, after 6 months. I tried to see the film without my love for it beat my way of thinking. I realized there were many flaws with it, flaws that didn't make it attractive to the audience, flaws that sometimes made it boring, flaws that sometimes made it look like it wasn't a Superman movie. This is all my opinion:

Good things about SR:

- William theme ( Fits Superman perfect )

- The plane rescue scene.

- The lift of New Krypton

- The speech of Superman to Jason at the end of the movie.

- Superman flying to receive the rays from the Sun.

Bad thing about SR:

- The movie most of the time feels depressing.

- The lack of lines for Superman ( Routh did a great job with his face expressions, but is not enough) He is not Batman. Superman talks a lot.

- After the plane rescue scene, theres like an hour that feels really boring.

- The scene where Superman gets shot in the eye, should've been spectacular, it's not. In fact it feel kind of forced.

- Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane doesn't work. She looks too young and I never felt I was looking at Lois Lane in her. Bad casting desicion by Singer. I don't know why Keri Russell didn't stay.

Too Many, many "homages" to STM. Which makes the movie feel dated and feel like you watched almost the same 30 years ago.

- The budget was way too big for the story. IMO you didn't need 200 million to make SR.


In conclusion:

SR is a good movie but it wasn't great as most of the people expected. STM was a great movie but there's great material on the comic books.
And Singer just ignored it. That wasn't a good decision.

What I don't like is that many people only blame Singer. What about WB ? They approved the project. They knew it was too similar to STM, they knew it lacked action, they knew Superman wouldn't talk much.

After this, I don't mind Harris and Doughery leaving, I think I wouldn't mind If Singer leaves too, either.

One thing I'm sure of, is that Routh was a great Superman. Watching him on SR, always brings a smile on my face. Whatever happens with this franchise, I hope Routh could play the man of steel again.

Ditto. I liked Routh but he wasn't great. But I think much of that also has to do with the wrong costume and a silly hairdo. And it's been said many times, Supes didn't get angry enough. He looked pretty pissed when lifting the rock, but that's probably because it's too damn heavy. That said, i'd give him another shot. Doesn't matter if they reboot it. Audiences won't be confused. I think most people wants to see him give it another go.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Well they did leave possibilities open for sequels, just nothing major. It was all..."vague".

I think if they do a sequel with continuity the new Krypton Supes tossed is going to somehow tie into the new villain.

[GreenKToo]

Here's something interesting. Superman/comic book writer, Mark Millar is throwing his hat in the ring, to write the new Superman film...



http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=74258

Lets just all hope W.B. is smart enough to take him up on his offer.

[Super Kal]

I don't know much of Millar's work... what has he done in the past?

[RedIsNotBlue]

Ditto. I liked Routh but he wasn't great. But I think much of that also has to do with the wrong costume and a silly hairdo. And it's been said many times, Supes didn't get angry enough. He looked pretty pissed when lifting the rock, but that's probably because it's too damn heavy. That said, i'd give him another shot. Doesn't matter if they reboot it. Audiences won't be confused. I think most people wants to see him give it another go.

The only problem Routh had was lack of experience. He basically went from 0 to 60 because he was a tv soap actor straight into big summer blockbuster leading man. I think the more movie experience he gets the better he will be as Superman.

[Super Kal]

I think Routh did well... he just needed more lines in the movie

[Motown Marvel]

Heh Heh.

Nobody is going to get confused. It is easily marketable, people just want to be entertained. This movie would be coming out between 2010-2012, you just tell a Superman story. You make it clear Superman has been here before, you don't step on what's been done but you don't bring it forward either. It's not difficult.

.....just like superman returns? :ninja:

[Gotham]

Very nice. That is the key sentence right there. "I will write this thing for free." That is a guy I would put my faith in.

Kevin Smith would also write Superman for free. Hell, any Superman fan would write the darn thing for free.

[Super Kal]

I'd write one for free :up:

[BenReilly]

If the next film isn't a follow-up/sequel to SR, it has to be an origin film/reboot, a la Batman Begins. It's the only way to go. Elements were introduced in Singer's film, that can not be ignored if they try another film with an established Superman. Then again, the upcoming Justice League movie also complicates things, a great deal.

[Showtime]

Heck I'd write the script for free too, I think alot of us would. It's Superman.

[nintendo nerd]

Well they did leave possibilities open for sequels, just nothing major. It was all..."vague".


They did?

I watched the movie very closely last night, and didn't see any hints for a sequel.

In fact, if they don't do MOS, SR was a good conclusion to the Donner movies. With a bittersweet ending.

Which possibilities did you see for a sequel?

[KaptainKrypton]

Here's something interesting. Superman/comic book writer, Mark Millar is throwing his hat in the ring, to write the new Superman film...



http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=74258
I'd be all for seeing a guy like Millar take a crack at Superman. He can write solid comics that make even the most boring characters seem galactically important and knows this character well. I still remember that he was part of the amazing creative team circa 2000 that petitioned DC to revamp the entire Superman line (along with Grant Morrison). Bummer that those idiots didn't give him the carte blanche, then. Even if Millar does the first and someone else polishes, I'd still like to see it.

[nintendo nerd]

I'd write one for free :up:

Just pay me what they gave to Harris and Dougherty , I'LL BE FINE WITH THAT. :woot:

[Showtime]

They did?

I watched the movie very closely last night, and didn't see any hints for a sequel.

In fact, if they don't do MOS, SR was a good conclusion to the Donner movies. With a bittersweet ending.

Which possibilities did you see for a sequel?

1) NK Orbiting Earth
2) Lex keeping the kryptonite shard with Superman's DNA on it.
3) Superman's ship buried in Smallville
4) The FOS Crystals sinking into the sea.

Just to name a few...

[Super Kal]

Heck I'd write the script for free too, I think alot of us would. It's Superman.
I've already written a MOS storyline...

[DarkSuperman]

If they get rid of Singer and bring in a new director then it's most likely they want a new continuity and nothing to do with Singer's movie otherwise they would just bring Singer back. And new continuity means new Superman otherwise the audience would be scratching their heads.

I completely agree. I think that the WB is taking a hard look at what Marvel is doing with the Hulk and probably said "Hey, Superman is bigger than the hulk, if marvel can do it with that character and have all this interweb buzz then why can't we do it with the man of steel?"

I just want a truly spectacular superman film that makes me feel like Im watching my hero come to life. The same way that the Spider-Man movies hit all the beats from the comics putting you in awe that someone actually brought spider-man to life!

I mean, Spider-Man is VASTLY more difficult a character to do right than Superman, there is soooooooo much that could have went wrong! But it didn't thanks to a Director with passion and intimate knowledge of the source material. Why can't Superman have someone like that in his corner? :huh:

[nintendo nerd]

1) NK Orbiting Earth
2) Lex keeping the kryptonite shard with Superman's DNA on it.
3) Superman's ship buried in Smallville
4) The FOS Crystals sinking into the sea.

Just to name a few...

Good points. But they should've used one of those scenarios at the end of SR. But they didn't. Then there would've been more hype for a sequel.

[Super Kal]

because they haven't found the right director yet, DarkSuperman

[Showtime]

I've already written a MOS storyline...

I have an amost completed draft of a Superman movie, I should give it to my agent. :ninja:

[Showtime]

Good points. But they should've used one of those scenarios at the end of SR. But they didn't. Then there would've been more hype for a sequel.

That is why I say it's vague, it was there, but it wasn't in your face.

[Super Kal]

I have an almost completed draft of a Superman movie, I should give it to my agent. :ninja:
sounds good to me :up:

I'd love to read it sometime

[nintendo nerd]

That is why I say it's vague, it was there, but it wasn't in your face.

Just like they didn't even care about those possibilities.

[KaptainKrypton]

If the next film isn't a follow-up/sequel to SR, it has to be an origin film/reboot, a la Batman Begins. It's the only way to go. Elements were introduced in Singer's film, that can not be ignored if they try another film with an established Superman. Then again, the upcoming Justice League movie also complicates things, a great deal.
I've been a supporter of a reboot since way back. I loved SR, but a reboot was what I wanted from day one, so I honestly wouldn't cry about having one, as long as I felt it was done right. Heck, the cast of SR (at least Lois and Superman) are young enough right now that they could easily do a prequel and not have it be out of the realm of sanity. Although I doubt they'll find someone that will do the role as much justice as Routh, because if history has taught us one thing...good Superman actors definitely don't grow on trees. I honestly wouldn't even mind if Singer did the reboot using some of the basic elements he used in SR in terms of the sets and production design. I mean, they only kept the basic structure of the old production design. Metropolis was different, the fortress was much more expansive and intricate, and the suit wasn't even the same as before. A lot of the gripes I've heard around here by guys like mego joe was that SR didn't paint enough of a history to let you know where the character came from in terms of continuity. Hell, make Singer paint that backstory. Just a rambling thought, though.

[Showtime]

sounds good to me :up:

I'd love to read it sometime

I'll send it to you when Metropolisman and I finish it up.

[Super Kal]

sweet :up:

[Showtime]

Just like they didn't even care about those possibilities.

That is just Singer's style, I am not saying it's right, but I think he wanted this to be a stand alone with opportunity to branch out.

[nintendo nerd]

That is just Singer's style, I am not saying it's right, but I think he wanted this to be a stand alone with opportunity to branch out.

But look what those cliffhangers did to BB and Spider - man 2.

BB: "The joker card, he is going to be on a sequel. Awesome."

Spider - man 2: "WOW!!! Is harry going to become the new goblin? I can't wait for spider - man 3."

SR: "Something followed Superman to Earth." Was it Darkseid, Brainiac, Doomsday, Mongul? Finally, we're going to have a great fight on the sequel".

[RedIsNotBlue]

Kevin Smith would also write Superman for free. Hell, any Superman fan would write the darn thing for free.

That is my point. It shows a passion and that is what the script needs.

[He-Man]

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/gallery/2006/07/05/jason3.jpg

Getting rid of this crap is a good thing. :up: :up:

[Showtime]

But look what those cliffhangers did to BB and Spider - man 2.

BB: "The joker card, he is going to be on a sequel. Awesome."

Spider - man 2: "WOW!!! Is harry going to become the new goblin? I can't wait for spider - man 3."

SR: "Something followed Superman to Earth." Was it Darkseid, Brainiac, Doomsday, Mongul? Finally, we're going to have a great fight on the sequel".

I think the best one out of the bunch was Batman Begins, very well done.

[FlawlessVictory]

I completely agree. I think that the WB is taking a hard look at what Marvel is doing with the Hulk and probably said "Hey, Superman is bigger than the hulk, if marvel can do it with that character and have all this interweb buzz then why can't we do it with the man of steel?"

I just want a truly spectacular superman film that makes me feel like Im watching my hero come to life. The same way that the Spider-Man movies hit all the beats from the comics putting you in awe that someone actually brought spider-man to life!

I mean, Spider-Man is VASTLY more difficult a character to do right than Superman, there is soooooooo much that could have went wrong! But it didn't thanks to a Director with passion and intimate knowledge of the source material. Why can't Superman have someone like that in his corner? :huh:

You wouldn't think it would be so hard to make a great Superman movie that wins the adoration of most of the public and comic book fans. But alas, look where we are, almost back to square one. It's amazing. I do think Singer will no longer continue to be involved only because it was the three of them together that crafted this story. It wasn't like he just stepped in and directed this story from two guys he hardly knew. He has a lot of emotional attachment to that story and to have two of his writers leave when they were with him since day one, I can't imagine he would be far behind.

This is looking more and more like an entirely new franchise with an entirely new creative team and an entirely new cast. The writers were the first dominoes to go down, the director will probably be next, then the cast etc... Of course, all IMHO.

[RedIsNotBlue]

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/gallery/2006/07/05/jason3.jpg

Getting rid of this crap is a good thing. :up: :up:

Yeah Singer really put the franchise in a cluster**** situation with that damn kid. Maybe a reboot isn't such a bad idea. :o

[nintendo nerd]

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/gallery/2006/07/05/jason3.jpg

Getting rid of this crap is a good thing. :up: :up:

I think Jason, was what bothered the less in SR. There were bigger issues with the story. IMO.

[FlawlessVictory]

But look what those cliffhangers did to BB and Spider - man 2.

BB: "The joker card, he is going to be on a sequel. Awesome."

Spider - man 2: "WOW!!! Is harry going to become the new goblin? I can't wait for spider - man 3."

SR: "Something followed Superman to Earth." Was it Darkseid, Brainiac, Doomsday, Mongul? Finally, we're going to have a great fight on the sequel".

But nintendo nerd, keep in mind the movie themselves(BB, SM2) had people pumped throughout the movie itself(because they were that good and well received), the ending was the icing on the cake. SR did not get as many people excited with the entire movie itself as those did, if that makes any sense.

Basically, great movie = many people excited to see what happens in a possible sequel.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I think Jason, was what bothered the less in SR. There were bigger issues with the story. IMO.

Honestly the kid for Superman Returns wasn't so bad but thinking about it in franchise mode it is really a big mess.

[FlawlessVictory]

Yeah Singer really put the franchise in a cluster**** situation with that damn kid. Maybe a reboot isn't such a bad idea. :o

I hope for a reboot. The kid just killed it for me, final nail in the coffin.

[nintendo nerd]

I think the best one out of the bunch was Batman Begins, very well done.

People were clapping at the theater were I watched the movie. ( including me ). :cwink:

Imagine , the scene were Superman smiles at the camera like in the Reeve movies. Then the screen goes dark. And suddenly we're back in Smallville and we see someone getting out of a Ship. And we just see his eyes. With a really creepy music.

[RedIsNotBlue]

People were clapping at the theater were I watched the movie. ( including me ). :cwink:

Sadly I unintentionally spoiled that moment for me. :csad:

[nintendo nerd]

But nintendo nerd, keep in mind the movie themselves(BB, SM2) had people pumped throughout the movie itself(because they were that good and well received), the ending was the icing on the cake. SR did not get as many people excited with the entire movie itself as those did, if that makes any sense.

Basically, great movie = many people excited to see what happens in a possible sequel.

You're right. But imagine a cliffhanger that promised more much action for the sequeland a really powerful villian. That way people would've not been so disappointed about SR. IMO

[nintendo nerd]

Sadly I unintentionally spoiled that moment for me. :csad:

Internet is your friend, but also your enemy. :word:

[Showtime]

People were clapping at the theater were I watched the movie. ( including me ). :cwink:

Imagine , the scene were Superman smiles at the camera like in the Reeve movies. Then the screen goes dark. And suddenly we're back in Smallville and we see someone getting out of a Ship. And we just see his eyes. With a really creepy music.

They could have done something like that.

[Grinder]

I don't get why so many people believe that a reboot means "origin"!? And for the record: No I don't think Donner got it right! S:TM is a boring 2 1/2 hour movie that just introduces characters and a has a silly ending. So I wouldn't mind an updated and more balanced origin.
Smallville already does it in the form of a big war that annihilated Kryptonians. I bet Darkseid was the main villain in this scenario, teaming with ZOD and Brainiac. Once again showing how much possibilities there are by just changing a tiny bit of the story. No need to redo everything.

Anyway, what I mean is this: Start the movie like Spidey 2 with a comic panel opening that shows the most important steps in Clark's life to the point where he starts working for the Planet. The movie starts with Clark and Lois on their first assignment and just goes from there clashing into a villain plot for Supes in the third act. By the end of the first movie, Intergang will be introduced through the Lois & Clark plot and Supes will defend the US from a villain, with a little help from Lex, which leads to Luthor becoming US President in the second flick. Then he eventually turns against Supes and a new villain shows up and bla bla bla ... there are endless possibilites!!!

Is it really too much to ask for a Superman movie that tells an actual story? :dry:

[Gotham]

Honestly the kid for Superman Returns wasn't so bad but thinking about it in franchise mode it is really a big mess.


I don't think anyone would want to think about that.

Clark Kent is Superman and that's that.

[DarkSuperman]

You wouldn't think it would be so hard to make a great Superman movie that wins the adoration of most of the public and comic book fans. But alas, look where we are, almost back to square one. It's amazing. I do think Singer will no longer continue to be involved only because it was the three of them together that crafted this story. It wasn't like he just stepped in and directed this story from two guys he hardly knew. He has a lot of emotional attachment to that story and to have two of his writers leave when they were with him since day one, I can't imagine he would be far behind.

This is looking more and more like an entirely new franchise with an entirely new creative team and an entirely new cast. The writers were the first dominoes to go down, the director will probably be next, then the cast etc... Of course, all IMHO.

Yeah, I think you may be right. Seems like there is a domino effect happening. First the writers then the rest of the SR team. I wish I could say that I feel upset about it, but I'm really not. I'm far more jazzed about the possibility of Superman getting the film he deserves. One with Action, Adventure, a bit of Romance, and everything else the world expects of The Last son of Krypton.


I mean can you imagine a Superman film done similarly to the Spidey franchise? That would literally be a dream come true. Here's hoping Superman finds his Raimi and makes magic happen. :supes:

[FlawlessVictory]

I don't get why so many people believe that a reboot means "origin"!? And for the record: No I don't think Donner got it right! S:TM is a boring 2 1/2 hour movie that just introduces characters and a has a silly ending. So I wouldn't mind an updated and more balanced origin.
Smallville already does it in the form of a big war that annihilated Kryptonians. I bet Darkseid was the main villain in this scenario, teaming with ZOD and Brainiac. Once again showing how much possibilities there are by just changing a tiny bit of the story. No need to redo everything.

Anyway, what I mean is this: Start the movie like Spidey 2 with a comic panel opening that shows the most important steps in Clark's live to the point were he starts working for the Planet. The movie starts with Clark and Lois on their first assignment and just goes from there clashing into a villain plot for Supes in the third act. By the end of the first movie, Intergang will be introduced through the Lois & Clark plot and Supes will defend the US from a villain, with a little help from Lex, which leads to Luthor becoming US President in the second flick. Then he eventually turns against Supes and a new villain shows up and bla bla bla ... there are endless possibilites!!!

Is it really too much to ask for a Superman movie that tells an actual story? :dry:

You're hired! :hyper:

[FlawlessVictory]

I mean can you imagine a Superman film done similarly to the Spidey franchise? That would literally be a dream come true. Here's hoping Superman finds his Raimi and makes magic happen. :supes:

I have imagined. :csad: I hope as well Superman does find the director with the magical touch.

[Gotham]

Yeah, I think you may be right. Seems like there is a domino effect happening. First the writers then the rest of the SR team. I wish I could say that I feel upset about it, but I'm really not. I'm far more jazzed about the possibility of Superman getting the film he deserves. One with Action, Adventure, a bit of Romance, and everything else the world expects of The Last son of Krypton.


I mean can you imagine a Superman film done similarly to the Spidey franchise? That would literally be a dream come true. Here's hoping Superman finds his Raimi and makes magic happen. :supes:

Who is to say that Singer didn't have the perfect Superman film with the sequel?

Absolutely nothing is known in story detail about the sequel.

We're all getting ahead of ourselves here.

[mathhater]

I'm really happy with this news. I enjoyed SR okay, but it had some major problems...to say the least. The characterizations were all off (a wasted Kevin Spacey with an outdated camp Luthor,) it didn't tell a complete story, just building on bits and pieces of previous films, and it's backdrop was so vague that it's pretty much impossible to work this into the previously built mythology.

So Dougherty and Harris are out? Fantastic...this is the only good news I've heard today.

[FlawlessVictory]

Who is to say that Singer didn't have the perfect Superman film with the sequel?

Absolutely nothing is known in story detail about the sequel.

We're all getting ahead of ourselves here.

Because there is absolutely nothing from SR that I want to see continued in the next film. I didn't care about any of the characters or storylines set up. If Singer were to continue, he would be playing off what he set up, which I don't care for, even if he were to bring in Darkseid, Braniac, etc...

[Grinder]

Who is to say that Singer didn't have the perfect Superman film with the sequel?

Absolutely nothing is known in story detail about the sequel.

We're all getting ahead of ourselves here.
Because his groundwork in SR is considered wrong by too many people. Whatever he would do now, he would turn off one half of the audience which is the one thing every studio wants to avoid in a franchise!