Superman Reboot Writers Workshop

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:super: Just a place for anyone who likes to test their creative writing out. I spent a couple hours writing a bit of a treatment for an SR sequel script going with what the majority of us want the second film to be called "Superman: The Man of Steel" Of course the title for me works on a couple levels, I'll put it out there... Metallo is being introduced in my script so the "Steel" part of the title is of another meaning as well.

Anyways it gave me an idea... For those of us who want to write a bit, we can get help from other members to improve. If you are writing something and have a writer's block, post it here and maybe together we can fix it. If we share enough ideas we could create a great fan script and imo it would probably be better (at least in concept) than what Singer's own writers would come up with :o

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This is the beginning of my script (not written in proper format... rough yes.. very)

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Superman: Man of Steel (This title having a double meaning…)

During the opening credits we see a metallic object break open from an almost box shaped shell of metal. Lights on it begin to blink. It is of a design that is so enigmatic that one could interpret it as being many things such as a satellite or spaceship. Of course it is more than that.

End of opening credits, a black screen that soon comes into focus revealing the image of a floating Superman in space.

With his super hearing we hear the sound of a child laughing and Superman smiles, then we see just how far his vision can reach as his eyes quickly zoom in from just above the earths atmosphere. Quickly we see everything he looks THROUGH all the while the camera is continuing a zooming effect. He sees through an airplane flying by, through buildings, and through a train passing by and the zooming speed increases more then suddenly stops as we see “the kid” Jason throwing a baseball and Richard catching it.

*Richard acts like his hand is hurt
Richard: Ouch! I think broke my hand with that throw, come over and take a look at it.

*Runs towards Richard
Jason: I’m sorry Dad

Richard: Help me take my glove off
*Jason starts pulling it off his hand. As he pulls it off Richard starts to laugh and puts his other arm around Jason to tickle him.

Richard: (laughing hysterically) Ok you didn’t break my hand but soon you’ll be throwing a baseball harder than me… almost as hard as your mother.

Jason: Mom can throw a baseball harder than you?

Richard: Well I don’t know about a baseball but if you get her mad just enough she can throw an object harder than Superman.

*Both start laughing.

Camera then cuts to a close-up of Superman smiling. Suddenly a flash of a metallic object is seen, the camera is so close you can’t make out the shape. All you can make out by looking at it is a symbol that looks almost like the number 8. A bunch of fast cut sequences take place. Lois comes running outside of the house to Richard and Jason. A close up of Superman’s eyes reveal a look of concern and terror that something is happening. Then finally a last close up showing Richard stepping in front of Lois and Jason with his arms out as if something is going to hit him is shown. Everything slows down and the only thing you can hear is Lois

Lois: Help us Superman!

SCENE 1

Quick cut to a dark room and an empty bed with the silhouette left on the covers from someone sleeping there. The camera pans up revealing Clark floating in the air shaking his head breathing hard. He then hits his head on the ceiling hard enough to leave an imprint and opens his eyes quickly then drops to the floor. Focus on the bed, then the focus changes as he quickly gets up from the ground and sits on the side of the bed.

Clark: That seemed so real…

His super hearing reveals a voice.

Unknown voice: That was not a dream you were experiencing Kal-el. That was a warning.

With a face of determination and almost on the edge of anger.

Clark: WHO ARE YOU? HOW… WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO ME?!

Unknown voice: When the time is right all will be revealed to you the… last son of Krypton. Of course by then it may be too late.

Clark covers his face with his hands and falls flat on his back on the bed.

[BH/HHH]

Not bad.

I think the film should start with a small action sequence to get the film going, like an earthquake or a super-villain attacking Metropolis.

[The Kid]

THE ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN. (Tentative Title)

Fade in. We see a red curtain draped over the entire screen. Slowly as it opens we zoom through the screen behind it as a superman comic book comes into focus. A child opens the comic book and begins to narrate the panels as each one is displayed on screen. They recount the origin of Superman.

The Last panel shows superman standing in his heroic pose as the comic slowly fades away and a statue of the heroic superman pose is revealed.

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that's what I've got so far. It'll open prettymuch like that so it's not quite a restart but it's still tells the origin, and it'll homage stm's director's cut opening which I always thought every comicbook movie should do.

Making the man of steel refer to Metallo and superman is Brilliant. Why didn't I think of that... Maybe I did once, but I don't remember. Anyway that's a great idea. Where things get too lifetime family movie for me is Jason and Richard playing catch and tickling. I'm getting images of an older jason being tickled. How old is he there? :sym: we'll figure something out with Jason.

Well I'm loving the metalo flashes. That gives me an idea for him. Maybe he could be an ancient kryptonian space probe that was sent to earth to gather information but it's discoverd by luthor or something and given a human brain and stuff... that'd be cool. And it haunts Superman... It sends him to hell (phantom zone), where he's powerless and must struggle to survive.

And he'll meet peter o'toole there. No just kidding, it won't be that lame supergirl phantom zone. This'll be true hell. ... oh I forgot the clark on smallville's trapped in the phantomzone. Well no problem, I'll figure it out. Maybe Jason could help free his father somehow.

hmm... yes, Jason using a special kryptonian space suit travels into the phantom zone through a portal in the fortress to find his father and retrieve him. That might work...

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That was kind of the point though. To make people think it's a warm scene starting the movie off when it's actually a sequence that sets up a warning disguised as a dream sequence. So the beginning of the movie sets up a mysterious danger that Clark must discover the root of before the ones he loves (Lois and his son) are killed.

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Making the man of steel refer to Metallo and superman is Brilliant.quote]

Thanks :up: :D

Btw Jason is to be only a couple years older. I'm not planting seeds of him taking over Superman's job in the future :o

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The only real moment of "lifetime" type entertainment in my script is necessary because I want to setup early on in the movie that they are a close family unit AS THREE. Since the opening had Clark late at night in bed, I thought the next scene could have an alarm clock (making you think it's Clark) going off. It sets up the family unit of Lois, Richard, and Jason.
Sorry is the writing is sappy but I wouldn't mind something like this JUST at the beginning of the film so you care a bit more for the characters.

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A close up of an alarm clock set to 7:00 am with the alarm going off is shown. We see a door being opened and it’s Richard all dressed and ready for work.

Richard: See, this is why we take separate cars to work. LOIS! Time to get up!

*Richard turns off the alarm and smiles, gently beginning to rub Lois’ right shoulder.

Richard: Come on… There are people to investigate, stories to tell, maybe another Pulitzer is out there. Stories don’t make themselves ya know.

Lois: You are reminding me of Perry.

Richard: Would Perry do this?

*Jumps on bed and starts to kiss Lois on the neck.

Lois: (laughing) GOD, I hope not…
*Both laughing, and Jason runs in.

Lois: Hey you remember what we said about knocking before entering a door right?

Jason: Oh yeah, I forgot.

*Runs back to close door, then knocks and asks

Jason: Can I come in please?

Richard: Well… Since you already did, I guess so.

Jason: I set the table for breakfast!

Lois: Thank you, we’ll be right down.

*All of them eating breakfast together at a little table near kitchen.

Richard: Mmmm… Whole grain.

Lois: RICHARD…

Richard: What? I’m not complaining.
*Richard leans over and whispers to Jason

Richard: If you are good at school, when I pick you up this afternoon we’ll stop off for some burgers and fries. A little break from Mom’s cooking won’t hurt anything.

Lois: RICHARD! You better not.

Jason: I think you’re in trouble.

Richard: No, WE’RE in trouble.

Jason: Dad you’re on your own.

*All of them laugh

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Ah why not.. Here are the next couple of scenes I wrote following the ones I just posted.

--SCENE 3
Lois is pouring a cup of coffee and Perry walks up to her with a folder.

Perry: Glad you could make it this morning. At least you showed up today. Here!

Lois: What’s this?

Perry: An extra assignment. It seems Clark has the sniffles today.

*Cut to Clark in Smallville staring at the sky outside of the barn.

Martha: What are you looking for?

Clark: I don’t know. I just… I wish I could protect everyone all of the time.

Martha: Something is on your mind. What is it?

Clark: Mom I love you, I’m not sure if I want to go into detail about this.

Martha: The only other time you didn’t tell me what was on your mind, is when you left earth in search of life on Krypton. Don’t tell me you want me to wait another 5 years to find out what’s wrong.

Clark: It’s just, I don’t even know what’s happening… I… I heard a voice last night.

Martha: You always hear voices Clark. You wouldn’t know who to save if you didn’t.

Clark: No… Not that kind of voice, it was something entirely different. He knew my Kryptonian name Kal-el. He even called me the last son of Krypton and… I have no idea who or what he is.

Martha: What all did he say?

Clark: He just told me there would be danger and by the time I knew where it was coming from… It would be too late.

SCENE 4

That object from the beginning of the movie is headed quickly towards an island. We see Lex building a fire and cooking fish while Kitty sits there filing her nails.

Kitty: What’s for dinner today Lex?

Lex: I’m having what I have everyday that we’ve been on this God forsaken island. I don’t know what you are having.

Kitty: Oh come on, what did I ever do to you.

Lex: Nothing much. A few rare Kryptonian crystals that had limitless power are gone because of you.

*Kitty gets up and walks over to Lex. She kisses him.

Lex: Alright, I suppose you are the ONLY girl in town.

Kitty: HEY!

Lex: What’s that?!

Kitty: What?

*Pushes Kitty out of the way and points
Lex: That object hurdling from space that you’d have to be blind to miss.

Kitty: Oh. I don’t know.

Lex: Of course not… What the?! It’s coming at me!

*Lex begins to run and trips over himself. Just as the object is about to hit him it stops. The light turns off. It then falls next to him and he picks it up.

Kitty: What is it?

*Lex touches the symbol, and the object splits open. He closes his eyes.

Lex: I don’t know but it’s like it’s asking me what I need... (screams) I just need to get off of this insignificant island!

*Lex kicks the sand--The helicopter behind them begins to start up…

Lex: Somehow I don’t think I need those crystals anymore.

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The next scene has Superman go to the FOS. The idea I had was that sense Brando is dead and can't do new dialogue... We could have some of the crystals act as actions alone activated by Jor-el without speech to set them up, putting Superman right in the moment of a recorded counsel meeting when Jor-el was younger... Thus showing the society of Krypton and a younger Jor-el that won't tread on the already established matured Jor-el played by that of Brando. Enough years in age are seperated that another actor could play him without it being a problem.
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SCENE 5
Superman flies into the fortress of solitude. He then speaks to the console that’s full of the crystals.
Superman: I need to know of any person or persons who could possibly survive the destruction of Krypton.
Jor-el: You are the last survivor of Krypton.
Superman: Same old answer I see. Nothing survived from an entire civilization? I MUST KNOW where this voice came from father. Lives could be at stake, maybe even my own!
*A crystal begins to glow a bright yellow color. Superman then touches it putting his mind right in a saved memory from the unveiling of a new technology on Krypton. We see a young scientist who is Jor-el as he speaks to a counsel made up of mostly older Kryptonians.
Counsel member 1: Record this proceeding… You have something to tell us Jor-el?
*The counsel members all turn towards Jor-el
Jor-el: This is what I’ve been working on since you granted me permission counsel.
Counsel member 1: Proceed…
Jor-el: Every year we’ve spent more time and research to know why Krypton is becoming well… Unstable. I have the answer. I also have the solution.
Counsel member 1: Then it is ready?
Jor-el: Yes. It is ready. I need only your permission to implement it.
Counsel member 2: I’m sorry but are we to blindly trust Jor-el with the life of this entire planet? He should not be the only one privileged to the knowledge of this new technology. Another man must work on this project a long side Jor-el.

Counsel member 3: A wise decision I believe.
Counsel member 1: As lead of this counsel I agree, furthermore since you are so concerned (looking at counsel member 2) you will be the recipient of this knowledge… Jor-el shall begin teaching you at once. This meeting of the counsel is complete
*Jor-el touches the symbol on the device that looks like an 8 and it opens.
Jor-el: I am forced to entrust this knowledge with you, with that being the case…Let us begin your teaching then.
*Superman takes his hand off the crystal and it turns off. Everything around him that seemed so real fades and we see just what’s in the fortress of solitude. He stares for a moment
Superman: Just what did Jor-el create?

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SCENE 6

*Back to the Daily Planet

Perry: Lois did you start working on that assignment I gave you?

Lois: Chief I’ve got better things to do than Clark’s work.

Perry: Excuse me but…

Clark: Chief! I’m feeling better

Perry: Glad you showed. I got an assignment here I thought only you could handle. Here…
*Hands him the assignment from Lois’ desk

Clark: So Lois… What are you working on?

Lois: Not a shared byline
Clark: I see…
*Lois feels bad for being snappy
Lois: I’m working on what happened to Lex. He’s back to front-page news again.

Clark: Got anything so far?

Lois: Oh I’m following leads, have my exclusive sources and…

Clark: Oh so, nothing right now.

Lois: Pretty much.

Clark: Well I guess I’ll get to work on my assignment then. Talk to you later Lois, maybe at lunch time we could…

*Lois is on phone talking to some detective about Lex missing. The folder he opens reads “Interview head of S.T.A.R. labs on possible new discovery.”

Clark: Hmmm…

Perry: CLARK

*Clark jumps
Clark: Yes Mr. White uh Sir… Perry…

Perry: You are taking Olsen with you in case we need pictures. Not that he ever takes a good one anyways.

*Jimmy was getting his camera ready for the assignment and overheard Perry.

Jimmy: I don’t take good pictures? I could take a good one. It would be for an article entitled “Daily Planet’s Own Perry White Retirement Ceremony”

Perry: Olsen!

Jimmy: Man he hears good for an old guy.

Clark: We better go.

SCENE 7

Clark and Jimmy enter a building that reads “STAR LABS” and are stopped by a security guard.

Security guard: Why do you think you can just walk right into a secured building? Unless you are Superman I’d advise you turn around and leave.

Clark: Uhh.. You see…We were invited by Professor Hamilton so…

Jimmy: Look if you want to keep your job, you better let us in. I can be tough when I have too. Don’t let the bowtie fool you, that’s just a cover.

*Security guard adjusts his earpiece and Clark listens in with his hearing. “Let them in, they are from the Daily Planet.”

Security guard: Enter at once.

*Jimmy whispers to Clark

Jimmy: Sometimes you just gotta push your way through…

Clark: Good work Jimmy
*Turns his head and smiles

They enter a large room with all sorts of interesting looking inventions

Professor Hamilton: I have found something that could be alien in its origin. Some sort of metal or a similar composition to that of steel. Only one difference.

Clark: What makes it seem alien.

Professor: Watch

*He takes another piece of metal, this one however is from earth.

Professor: Now as I hold it, not only does it bind with our own metal and become flexible…It also appears to become much stronger.

Clark: How strong?

Professor: You know how Superman is invulnerable to just about anything?

Clark: So I’ve heard.

Professor: This metal seems to have the same advantages. Watch what happens when we apply a laser to it.

Jimmy: Nothing is happening.

Professor: Precisely. The temperature remains the same, and the metal suffers no damage.
Professor: I’d like for you to find Superman for me as I hear the Daily Planet is almost exclusive in interviews with him.

*Jimmy starts snapping pictures

Clark: Maybe this isn’t such a good idea to report this story to the public until Superman has a chance to look into it.

Jimmy: Good luck telling that to the chief. (takes a couple more pictures)
*They leave the room and Clark uses his x-ray vision to destroy the film.

*Back at the Daily Planet

Perry: So let me get a look at this new discovery.

Jimmy: Sorry but something happened to the film and it won’t develop properly.

Perry: That’s just great.

*Jimmy quietly talks to himself.

Jimmy: Maybe if he paid me enough so I could go digital, we’d have some pictures.

Perry: What all did you find out?

Clark: Uhh well.. I’m collecting my notes. Actually Superman is going to find out more soon and I’ll interview him about it.

Perry: Alright, well find out quickly. No story and no pictures... I need something.

Clark: I’m on it.

Lois: On what Clark?

Clark: My story.

Lois: So what are we working on?

Clark: We?

Lois: I figured since my story on Lex isn’t going anywhere maybe we could work on your assignment together.

Clark: We did say no shared bylines right?

*talking to herself
Lois: Look who grew a spine…

*As Clark is walking away she waves him to come back over. He waves back, and knocks some papers out of a delivery guy walking by.

Lois: So how about that lunch tomorrow then?

Clark: Really? You want to go with me?

Lois: Yeah… We should catch up.

SCENE 8

*Lex getting in helicopter while Kitty is running to catch up

Lex: I could drop you right now… like you dropped those crystals.

Kitty: You wouldn’t leave me here, there is a part of you that wants me around.

Lex: Yeah the part that likes to suffer. GET IN… NOW

*Flying the helicopter

Kitty: Where are we going?

Lex: It’s time I get out of seclusion. If I want to be the most successful criminal of all time and I want to get rid of Superman once and for all… There is only one place I can turn too that will allow me to carry out my fiendish plans while still doing so legally.

Kitty: Where is that?

Lex: Politics… Kitty. Politics.

Kitty: You want to be a senator or something?

Lex: No Kitty. I want to be President.

Kitty: How?

Lex: By using Superman of course.

Kitty: I don’t think he will want to help you.

Lex: His newly found bad image alone will help me. That’s all I need.

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Scene 9

Superman is at STAR Labs with Prof Hamilton.

Superman: I don’t think it came from Krypton. Otherwise I wouldn’t be able to be in such close contact with it.

Professor: Where do you think it came from then?

Superman: I don’t know but if Krypton had anything to do with it, I can find out. Would you trust me to borrow this for a while?

Professor: Sure, it’s a puzzle to me. If you can find any answers be my guest.

Superman: Thanks.

*Returns to the fortress of solitude.

Superman: I need to know if this is of Kryptonian origin.

*A crystal lights up again. We are back to the Kryptonian counsel with a young Jor-el.

Jor-el: It is my unfortunate news to tell you I’ve discovered a traitor amongst us. The same man I trusted countless information with is the same one who plots to use it against us. Counsel member ZOD has been plotting to take over Krypton for a while. I learned of this when discovering a hidden program on our new fail safe device. A program called BRAINIAC. A program that ZOD created!

Counsel member 1: Bring him to us.

*Guards drag ZOD in the room.

Zod: You think you are so smart Jor-el.

*Breaks free of guards and punches at Jor-el. Jor-el fights back and takes him to the ground.

Counsel: CEASE HIM AT ONCE

Counsel member 1: To the PHANTOM ZONE he must go and we must destroy this invention at once. Jor-el we leave this task to you.

ZOD: This is not the end, only the beginning Jor-el. Someday everyone you love will be destroyed by me.

Jor-el: Initialize the sequence for the PHANTOM ZONE.
*ZOD vanishes in a blur. Jor-el takes the device and encases it in a metal with some kind of tool.

Counsel: What of this device?

Jor-el: It’s been disabled, I've created a metal that hopefully is as indestructible as the device itself, to ensure no one can ever use it again... There is no way to simply destroy it. Its main purpose was to protect Krypton and it was designed so destruction of it would be impossible. But this program BRAINIAC started reprogramming itself. I’ve turned off its power source, I couldn’t take a chance of leaving a trace of its existence behind. It is now buried in the crust of Krypton. It will be better to start on a new device as I’m not sure what all was encoded into BRAINIAC. One thing is for sure.

Counsel member 1: And what is that?

Jor-el: If the new device doesn’t work, BRAINIAC might be the only thing that survives Krypton’s destruction.

*Superman takes his hand off

Superman: The destruction of Krypton freed the device. This program BRAINIAC. THE METAL!

*Back at STAR LABS

Superman: Is there anymore of this metal.

Professor: It’s been kind of scattered around parts of the Pacific Ocean. Why?

Superman: There could be more than just metal that we are looking for.

[BobJM]

MAN OF STEEL (Tentative Title)

EXT. METROPOLIS PARK - SUNSET

The golden sky stretches across the horizon, giving the bustling city its last moments of sunlight. All activity has temporarily slowed. Cars aren't as abundant and the music of the urban area has toned down.

Several seniors, men and women, are gathered in one corner of the park. Some play chess while others talk about their youthful years. Smiles are apparant everywhere.

Children playfully run around the jungle gym, enjoying such pleasures as the monkey bars and swingsets. Parents watch their childs, occasionally looking up from their TIME magazine.

EXT. CLOUDS

The fluffy abundant clouds part in the skies, torn through by a soaring blue streak.

EXT. METROPOLIS PARK - CONTINUOUS

The mysterious streak alerts the citizens, turning their attention to the skies. All activity stops.

CHILD
(Under his breath)
It's him...

EXT. CLOUDS - MOMENTS LATER

In an instant, the streak is gone, moving towards the heart of the great city. The streak is revealed to be:

Superman, Metropolis' very own Man of Steel...The Last Son of Krypton.

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That was just a little something.

My sequel would have Lex Luthor, CEO of LexCorp (formerly Vanderworth Enterprises), begin to fund Project Cadmus. Metallo is created to obtain a sample of Superman's blood (revealed to be used to create a clone of Superman to replace the original).

[Showtime]

I like your idea using Metallo, very cool.

[BobJM]

Always nice to hear your ideas appreciated.

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Fun to write the general story of the script but I'm not gonna spend a bunch of time to write the visual sense like explaining if it's INT/EXT or if it uses C/U, a two-shot, MS, LS, etc...
I'm not going that far into detail on a rough draft fan script LOL.

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INT. HOUSE- NIGHT

JcDc typing with the lights down low, feels the sensation of cold from the ceiling fan that spins above. He reaches for his drink to notice it is now empty.

JCDC
Nooooooooooo!

[Hugebear]

This is the beginning of my script (not written in proper format... rough yes.. very)

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Superman: Man of Steel (This title having a double meaning…)

During the opening credits we see a metallic object break open from an almost box shaped shell of metal. Lights on it begin to blink. It is of a design that is so enigmatic that one could interpret it as being many things such as a satellite or spaceship. Of course it is more than that.

End of opening credits, a black screen that soon comes into focus revealing the image of a floating Superman in space.


Not bad, but I have some questions for you.
Is the metallic object Brainiac and why did it come to earth?
Why did it come to Lex? :)

[Tony Stark]

My idea would take from Superman TAS and a mix of pre-post crisis, and would only relate to the last movie in that Routh would still be Superman. I would like to see a new Lois, and the Kid would go the route that Jar Jar Binks did in Episodes II and III where he would eventually be forgotten. Also Lois would no longer be with Richard.

The opening shot would be in the past on Krypton. I'd like to see Anthony Hopkins do a cameo as Jor-El (this was the one thing I liked about the Abrams movie). The movie would show how Braniac, an ancient computer given to the Kryptonians by the Colu, gave Jor-El the information that supported his conclusion that Krypton would indeed be destroyed. Colu had a plot to destroy the Kryptonians jealous of their crystal technology and culture. It would then show a meeting of the Kryptonian science council and Braniac would lie and say Jor-El was incorrect of his theory of impending doom for Krypton. As in TAS Braniac would upload all of the main databanks from the Kryptonian archive, and flee the planet leaving all for dead.

Braniac would sort of be like V'ger from the old star Trek movie. Very ancient and had absorbed the knowledge of thousands of star systems across the galaxy.

Braniac would come to earth sensing the Kryptonian technology of Superman's fortress.

One thing I did like from Superman Returns, was Clark's desire to learn about his origins and his true homeworld. Clark would see the opportunity in Braniac to finally get the knowledge that he wanted, but his threat to the destruction of earth creates a dillema for him, destroy Braniac, or gather the knowledge he always wanted.

Another thing I would like to see is a more assertive Clark. Clark demands more attention of himself and less on Superman, especially regarding Lois.

I would also like to see Lex brought back, but as more of a subplot. Lex would use his inheritance to rebuild his business empire. You could have something in there about Lex wanting to make amens for his criminal past, but they need to show that Lex is having a more positive view. Immagine if Ken Lay had lived to be pardoned and rebuild a new business, and he appeared on the TV saying how sorry he was and how he was going to make up for his mistakes. This is the role I want to see for Lex. Also to include Lex in the story, he needs to try to take advantage of Superman's dilemma with Braniac.

Just some ideas, maybe you like them, maybe you don't. Either way it doesn't matter, because my ideas have a snowball's chance in hell of showing up in the movie.

[thedarks0ldier]

I made a quick run through of a treatment for what I would like to see for a Superman sequal.









MAN OF STEEL



TREATMENT FOR A FEATURE FILM SCREEN PLAY



By
Gabriel iVAN Orendain-Necochea




August 17, 2006
The television news report that Lex Luthor is to be tried for nearly attempted genocide and nearly 1000 environmental code violations (in the previous film his maniacal attempt to create a fresh real-estate market nearly killed “billions”.) Kitty Kowalski, Lois Lane is to testify in a week, along with Superman.

Richard and Lois are at their lake house. They tell Jason to behave and that Daddy will be back shortly. Richard tells Lois he has to get his sunglasses and runs upstairs to get his sunglasses. Meanwhile, Lois is telling Jimmy all the medication Jason needs.

Richard quickly finds his glasses on the self, but then opens the bottom shelf and pulls out a box. He opens it and reveals a wedding ring with a huge diamond. When he goes back outside he starts the plane, and Lois seems stressed. He tells her to relax but she says she has been so busy lately that she cant think straight.

As they are flying Richard begins talking about how he knows things have been hard, but he really wants to show how much she means to him. Lois, meanwhile just looks out her window. He talks about how he thinks maybe they should take the next step with their relationship and make it official. As he pulls out the box they receive radio transmission that a bogy is coming and fast to their coordinates.

Richard asks “Your friend?” Lois is looking out the window. She sees something coming, but can barely make it out. Suddenly the bogy rips right through them, causing the plane to spiral out of control. Lois passes out while Richard tries desperately to stabilize the airplane. The plane continues to spiral but, it is stopped by Superman. He tries to protect the plane but Zod keeps on interfering. Zod-
“I didn’t know how else to get your attention.”

All Richard can see is Superman and has no idea what is going on. Superman flies down and grabs the plane that was pummeling out of control and stabilizes it. He flies down and sets it on the water. Zod lands a HUGE punch that sends Superman up above the clouds. When Superman regains control Zod is right there to take it back. Zod delivers a series of punches that send Superman tumbling down into the city. Zod throws a fast punch but Superman catches it and tosses Zod on to the floor, Zod goes through the concrete and is in the sewers. He floats back up enraged.

“Careful Superman,” Zod says with a cocky smile on his face. “We wouldn’t want to get this wet, now would we?”

Zod holds up a Kryptonian crystal, Superman looks at it in disbelief. He flies in and grabs Zod’s arm. They wrestle for the crystal. Zod head butts Superman, gaining the upper hand.

Superman is fighting General Zod in the middle of Metropolis. Superman flies through a bus after being thrown by Zod. Zod is enraged, but Superman is not shaken. Superman breaks the bus in half and all the people evacuate. Zod zooms towards but gets driven down to the ground by the bus. Zod gets up, only to be blinded sided by Superman and tackled into the air. Zod recovers and the two smash right through building, exchanging blows left and right inside the buildings, through cubical, and throw stories. Superman lands a hard left on Zod, sending Zod pummeling the air.

As he recovers, he notices a chunk of the ceiling (once the floor) is losing stability and begins to fall. He intercepts it before it hits some civilians below it and throws it out the window. It flies out and hits an Zod (who was flying back towards Superman.) Zod smashes through it and is greeted by the hardest punch ever delivered. Zod flies up in the air. Superman flies up after him and takes the crystal from Zod.

After he struggles with Zod for control of the crystal he obtains it then hits Zod, sending Zod towards the ocean. As Zod is falling towards the water brakes of a small piece and throws it at Zod. As soon as Zod hits the water the small piece of the crystal wraps Zod, creating a crystal cell. The black outs happen again, A wedding is interrupted, the hospitals go crazy, all the airplanes lose power. Zod is completely immobilized.

Superman is breathing heavily. He puts the crystal on the roof of a building then flies down and gets Zod, in suspended animation, pulling him out of the water. Then all the power comes back. The media shows up to the scene but most of their cameras aren’t working. This agitates them all. Superman flies to go check on Lois and Richard, the plane is empty. He is confused. He flies around looking for Lois. He goes to the hospital as Clark Kent.

He asks a worker if a Lois Lane has checked in, she says he’ll have to wait until the computers come back online. Clark notices a check in sheet. The girl realizes who Lois Lane is and says she thinks Superman brought her in. Clark questions her.

“Are you sure a big guy in blue suit with a red cape flying in?” Clark then asks someone else, who tells him that Lois is indeed in the hospital and that he saw Superman fly her in, Clark is puzzled by this. Clark asks if she is ok, the guy says yes, just in shock, but is uninjured. Clark asks if Richard White as been admitted as well, the guy tells him that Superman came with her only. He changes back to Superman and goes back to find Richard. Its nighttime and the clean up crew are already on the scene and they say there is no sign of anybody. Then flies back to the roof to get the crystal, he finds it and flies back to his apartment in Metropolis. He puts the crystal on the table and gets ready to go to bed; all the clocks in the place need to blink “12:00.” He resets all his clocks after his shower.

The next morning he goes to visit Lois, who tells him she was unconscious the whole time and doesn’t remember a thing or what happened to Richard. Clark Kent tells Lois he has something important to tell her. She says that if this is concerning Jason and the fact that Her and Richard aren’t married yet then he drops it now. He starts by hesitantly trying to tell her that he hasn’t been honest about himself, and that he is kind of concerned she hasn’t figured it out yet. He tells her that he is…

Jason and Jimmy walk into the room, Jason is holding flowers. She asks what he wanted to tell her and then asked Jimmy and Jason if he can have one minute to tell Lois something. They step out momentarily. He begins again, stuttering. He collects himself and says it. “Lois, I am-”

“Superman!” Jason says as him and Jimmy bolt in.

Clark, baffled becomes quiet.

“Superman?” Lois looks at Clark. Clark simply smiles.

“No! On TV” Clark turns on the surprise there is Superman, Inside the courtroom, testifying that Lex Luthor is innocent of all charges and that a meteor caused the large land mass to come up.”

“What is he thinking?” Says Lois.

Clark is staring at screen in disbelief. He excuses himself and goes outside, changes into his blue tights. He jets over to the courthouse. He is looking around but cannot find the imposter. A barrage of questions hits him. He simply flies away.

At the Kent Farm Clark is venting to his mother. He explains to her that, that wasn’t him. When she asks why didn’t he just tell them the truth he said it was because people wouldn’t be able to trust him anymore. His mom hands him a glass of milk.

He drinks it and eats his pie. He tells his mother about Zod, and how he hasn’t figured out how he got the crystal, or even how many are out there. She asks what has happened to Zod, and he tells her that General Lane has it under security. She ask if its safe for Zod to be there, if they can handle it, and he tells her that Zod won’t be going anywhere. She then presses about why isn’t he looking for the imposter, and Clark says

“It’s not easy to find yourself in this world.”

Lex Luthor walks into the Vanderworth house. He is excited and baffled. He pours himself a drink and then hears a voice calling his name. He simply ignores it and takes a drink. After he hears the noise again he empties the drink. It keeps calling him and he goes downstairs to investigate. He follows the noise back into the room with the train set. The crystal has grown. Three big red circles that form an upside down triangle illuminate from the crystal. It is Brainiac. Brainiac explains to Lex about the clone, and how he grew it with the use of Kryptonian technology. The room is filled with failed clones and half developed monstrosities. The one that was successful is labeled B2R0.

Brainiac explains to Luthor that he needs a body. When Luthor asks why doesn’t he just grow one Brainiac response by telling Luthor he doesn’t have the resources needed to make the body he needs. Brainiac explains that an organic body lacks the efficiency he demands. Luthor says that for that he is going to need more money. Then he asks Brainiac what else does he know how to build.

Superman is flying around and he looks down at his hands. They are beginning to crack and turn pale. He doesn’t know why becomes concerned. Superman is looking up from the heavens at him, spying on him. His starts off by doing good, putting out fires, but he gives frostbite to the people inside. There is a car accident that causes traffic. Superman, (the clone) merely puts the cars on a roof. There is an upside down car on fire, He merely turns it right side up. Every time we see the clone he looks worst and worst. He sees his reflection on the glass and thinks his “S” is backwards, so he flips his costume inside out.

Lex Corp is born, and Lex Corp rivals Boeing, Lockheed, and Holt Holdings Inc., The now subsidiary of Wayne Tech. Luthor becomes a billionaire after signing one government contract and buys a building in the heart of Metropolis, with the Lex Corp logo being constructed on top of the building.

Lois Lane is at her house. Jason asks her when daddy is coming back and she says she doesn’t know. She tells Jason that no matter what happens she will always be there for him. She holds him and begins to cry. The next morning she goes over back to work. Perry tells her that he hasn’t been getting much sleep. He tells her that as a boy Richard was always the nicest guy and that he was always determined. He was horrible at math but stuck through it because he always wanted to fly. She asks him if he thinks they’ll ever see him again, and he says he doesn’t know, but that deep down he thinks he will.

The clone has deteriorated so much by this point he looks like his comic counterpart, Bizarro. After having flashbacks of his “birth” Bizarro is courious about his origin. Bizarro goes into the Vanderworth residence and asks Brainiac, who he is. Brainiac tells him an imperfect clone of Superman. Bizarro asks if he is Superman, and Brainiac says “No”

“You are an imperfect clone, created to lie.” (For freeing Lex) Bizarro looks at his “birth chamber” and sees the title B2R0, and says “BzzR-O, is that Superman real name?” Brainiac says no then Bizarro says “Bizarro, Superman is Bizarro. I am Superman, Bizarro is me.” Lex tells Bizarro he looks like crap, Bizarro says “Thank you.” Lex gets a call. The military wants missiles from Lex Corp. He asks Bizarro to step outside. Bizarro stays there. Luthor then sarcastically says “Or, just stay there.”
Bizarro bolts out of house, making a hole in the roof. He finds Lois Lane smoking a cigarette on the roof of the Daily Planet. He uses his heat vision and burns it. Lois is scared when she sees Bizarro. She, not knowing its not Superman, asks him whats happening to him.

“Feeling better then ever.”

“What were you thinking? Did Luthor buy you out? How could you do such a thing?”

“Luthor is my enemy, Luthor is also honest. I told the truth.”

“What did you do to Richard?”

“Take him to hospital”

“What’s wrong with you?”

“Lois Lane love Superman?” Lois doesn’t say anything? “Will Lois kiss Superman?” She says no, so he forces himself upon her. She screams and Superman pulls Bizarro off.
Lois is shocked and relieved. Confused Bizarro asks who the “imposter” is. He charges at Superman and they begin to fight. They fight through the city, manuvering through the air, trying to avoid buildings. The two crash through buildings and cause destruction through out the city.

They up in the air, they fight go to the edge of the earth, they fight down in the sewers, they fight over and under water. The news catches them and it is revealed that Superman has an imposter. They fight and go through an oil tanker that catches on fire in the middle of the ocean. Superman is forced to let Bizarro escape in order to save the oil tanker.

Afterwards Lois is at home watching 60 minutes, Mike Wallace is interviewing Lex Luthor and they walk through his half finished office and talk about he is in the record books for making the most money in the shortest about if time. They ask him about Superman, and why he thinks Superman testified. Luthor responds; “Keep your friends close…”

After the interview is over Mike in the Studio says that after the revolation that Superman had an imposter Luthor was unavailable for questioning, and that his newly appointed spokes person said that Lex Corp will be developing a weapon that insures the safety of man kind against alien threats.

Lois Lane is watching the same thing and gets agitaded and turns off the TV. Superman is looking from the atmosphere for Bizarro, but there is no sign of him.
Luthor is walking through what appears to be a secret underground base. One of the personels escort Luthor and tells him he is the only suspected felon to ever set foot on these grounds as a free man.

“Guilty until...” reply’s Luthor “What do you mean, freeman? Is this also a prison?”

“This is where that other Kryptonian is held also. Using some of the Kryptonite you sold us, we were able to extract some blood samples. We had to carefully remove his crystal cell and to keep him at bay we all had kryptonite with us. Later on we discovered the kryptonite had no effect, but the pieces of the blue crystal he came in did affect him.”

“Facinating”

“The Kryptonian decade just as the other Superman did over time, and is now reduced to a pathetic shell of his old self.”

“Is he still as strong as he was?”

“All the test we have ran show he is just as strong.”

“So where is he?”

“Over here, Mr. Luthor.”

The hideous Bizarro Zod looks up at Luthor. Luthor stares at him for a while, then focuses back on the personel.

“My missile should still work on Superman, if he is to ever act up, and I’ll make one to take care of the other one too.”

Clark Kent goes and visits Lois Lane. Jason is asleep on the floor after watching TV. Clark picks him up and puts him to bed. Lois thanks him and then they go to the living room. He confesses to her that he is Superman. She tells him to prove it and he begins to fly inside the house. She calls him a coward. He is shocked. She explains that only a coward would do something like that, leave their kid behind, then wait until her fiancé was out of the way. Then she suspects him of setting this whole thing up. She is so outraged she kicks him out of her house. Once he is out she falls to her knees crying.



I havent come up with an ending yet, but the ending would be similar to the IRON GIANT, Bizarro sacrificing himself after Brainiac lauches a series of Nukes.

[Masut]

Paragraphs man, paragraphs! Makes it easier to read through.

Oh, and loved your fan script JCDC. I visualised it all, and it played out pretty good!

[Superfreak]

I was mulling a fun little concept plot over in my head, and felt I needed to write it down. No dialogue, or exact story, but just a concept in my head. so here goes.

Preface: I know a lot of people feel that the SR franchise should now cut the strings of the original franchise, and move on. However, there are some beautiful momments in the original franchise that can lead so well into something that is so much more.

And so...

My current SRII would begin like so:

We are back on krypton, and we get to see Zod being captured for Treason after breaking a crystal, and then is caught by the hoolahoops. We get to see that whole scene again, ending with the roaring from zod 'You will bow down before me, both you, and then one day your heirs!!!"

Then we'd return to the reality of post SR superman. The main story would begin shortly after a small super adventure, in which Lois is saved by superman from some sort of dangerous situation she got herself into. Superman would get distracted by some sort of signal that only he can percieve, resulting in a little bit of damage done to the city. Life goes on.

We'd have a few Lane/White family bits, where we find out that Clark/Supes has come to terms with this domestic situation. Something along the lines, that Clark was raised by humans, and turned out well. So having Jason raised by Lois and Richard is best. Basically, superman has come to terms with, Richard, and Richard has earned Superman's Respect, concreting his position as Jason's adoptive father.

Superman begins to be harrased by a new member of the press, who is advocating that superman should be restrained some how because of the damage he can do etc. A result of the 'accident' that occurs in the introductory adventure. This is a subplot. It is not a majro plot, but I feel that Superman should be loved by some, and scare others, simply because of his absolute power. While this is going on, Superman is investigating what distracted him.

Anyhow, as the story goes on, we discover that Brainiac is coming, via New Krypton. But what is brainiac. Like TAS, I'd define him as a Kryptonian computer, whose goal is to know all (kind of like VGER from ST the motion picture). However, if the kryptonians designed Brainiac, why is it so evil and hell bent on universal domination? Because of Zod. That's the end of act 1)

flashback: Zod broke that crystal, and was captured by kryptonians, and set to trial. But I would adjust the plot to show that the broken crystal was some sort of firewall, or inhibitor which maintained brainiac's 'good nature'. Now that that is gone, we discover that Brainiac without this limiter is a malicious being and a minion of Zod.

Act 2) Some Brainiac like adventure would carry the story and we find out about the villian and what his goals are etc. Haven't really thought this one through yet. All I know, is that Superman will be forced on a mission, which will distract him from what brainiac is truely doing.

However, Act 2 would end with Brainiac capturing and killing Jason. (I know a lot of people would like this, and other are against it. I'm not really advocating either way, but I had this Idea a while ago, and I like it). Brainiac captures Jason, and Kills him. When Jason is captured, he is spirited away by Brainiac to Mt. Rushmore (which is no more). There, Jason is forced to his knees before the giant carving of Zod, Ursa and Non, before being stabbed by Brainiac with one of the crystals that Kitty dropped on New Krytpon before escaping it in SR.

Act 2 ends with Superman, and Richard finding Jasons limp body all alone in the rain, killed hours before. Both Richard and Superman get the 'rage'. Jason's dead body is left with Lois, while Superman and Richard head off on a quest of vengence.

Act 3 Would basically be the concluding act. Superman and Richard battle brainiac. But Brainiac is too much for Superman in the end. And how the story plays out, is that while Superman is using all his ability and strength to combat and distract Brainiac, Richard is able to sneak into what is Brainiac's core, and destroy the mega computer himself. Superman would hold back the tide, but in the end, it would be Richard who saves the world, while sacrificing himself.

Yada Yada Yada, the end. It's rough, and I haven't thought it through fully, but that's a pretty good vague outline.

I just really like the idea of Jason being slaughtered, while kneeling before the giant mountain sized carving of Zod. It just fits so well with Stamps tdelivery of the line: You will bow down before me, both you and one day your heirs.

[thedarks0ldier]

Paragraphs man, paragraphs! Makes it easier to read through.

Oh, and loved your fan script JCDC. I visualised it all, and it played out pretty good!
Better?

[The Sage]

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Here's an idea:

It's been maybe a year or two since Superman has returned. His mood has changed drastically and he's a lot happier. He's been performing good deeds, and is moving to the point where he maybe overdoing it and starts heading into things such as conquering world hunger and other problems. Supes begins to feel he's on call 24/7, and thinks about what Jor-El told him about guiding people towards a better way instead of saving them all the time.

Meanwhile, Lex uses the fortune he has and starts creating his own corporate empire. Obviously, the actual building isn't complete yet. With Lex's past history with Superman, he denies accusations of world conquest and talks about how Superman makes humanity weak and that we should depend on each other instead of some god in the sky. (What he really wants is for people to depend on and worship him, hypocritical bastard) It's a mystery if the public listens to his words.

Brainiac arrives, and the world somewhat welcomes him with open arms, thinking he's like Superman. Of course, Lex is suspicious of him, as well as the government, who are harboring ill feelings towards Superman for his absence. In fact, some think he may have brought Brainiac back with him. Anyway, Brainiac arrives, looking for the last surviving Kryptonian, and tries to capitalize on Kal's feelings about the world's dependence on him that to lure him away from Earth and by his side, or maybe to trap him. Talking about how weak humanity is. But Superman isn't able to leave, and Brainiac wonders why, and he slowly but surely the AI discovers another precious rarity other than the Last Son of Krypton: a half-breed Kryptonian.

Oh, and Brainiac wants to collect all of the knowledge on Earth and destroy the actual planet, perhaps even take a final human being, namely the greatest criminal mind of our time. Can Superman and Lex Luthor work together? We'll find out today!!

K, I'm done.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

See I incorporated Brainiac into a fail safe device to save krypton rather than just be a collector of knowledge. I think STAS did that too perfectly too replicate.

[The Kid]

Did I tell you I loved you today, JcDc? Well I love you man.

Here's my revised script I've been working on. ..

JASON'S CREEK A story by Dick Williams (that's me)

Fade IN: Space. We see a field of stars. It is silent, the stars twinkle in the endless darkness.

Something enters the screen, a shiny black object thats wandering through space slowly twisting around from one end of the screen to the other; it's turning over to reveal white piano keys. It is a piano twisting through the 0g of space.

Suddenly the screen flashes white!

[Interior: Kent apartment.]

We see a closeup of a child's eyes, he's breathing heavily. "Not that dream again..." he says, half yawning.

We zoom out to see the child's room. It has posters of Jake Ledger, some celebrity, on the walls, a wrath of khan doll set well preserved in plastic display cases on a shelf in the corner, with a few issues of the Arguer school magazine beside it. He seems like a normal kid.

Then like lightning, the kid zooms out of bed in a flash.

He is Jason, the Son of Superman.


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oh my god, thank you for reading. This was only part 1. I'll have part 2 up tomorrow.

It'll be about the villain, ursula, then we'll get into what I've been wanting to write about: the Custody battle.

[super-t]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGuMn69qN3k

did like 10 mins ago so it could be better but it'll do for now, so tell me wat you think.

[Kabuki_Jo]

Not bad, man.:)

[eXperiment]

I like it alot, and I love the title, that should be it, if the next batman movie can be called THE DARK KNIGHT they can call this THE MAN OF STEEL.......

[bingy13]

If this was a real trailer, everyone in the theatre would cheer at the "But this time may be his last"

[Joe Kerr]

thats pretty kickass!

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

very good..perhaps you should add footage of Supes falling when you say his last.

[Top_Hatter]

I will throw a script in here later, but now I'm going to script what an ad for my vision would be. Give yall a sneek peak of what's to come :cwink:

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Outer space, there are chunks of rock in the foreground and a gigantic red sun in the back.

Clark (V.O)
Five Years ago astronaughts launched an expedition to Krypton supposedly to investigate possible remains.

A spaceship from Earth passes in front of the camera that proceeds to follow it.

Clark (cont.)
They said nothing was discovered, that Krypton was still the ghost planet my father Jor-El proclaimed it to be.

Slow zoom in and through the spaceships walls, in the rear of the ship is a small metallic object; obviously alien in make.

Clark (cont.)
They lied; something remained, and in secrecy they took it back to Earth to study. They thirsted for knowledge and power through alien means.

Smash cut to Lex Luthor staring in wonder at the device as it twists and contorts; like the world's most complicated rubix cube solving itself. Behind Lex the words CADMUS LABS are imprinted on the wall.

Clark (cont.)
They should have left it amongst the remains of Krypton.

The screen turns completely black.

Clark (cont.)
If they had, maybe Earth would stand a chance.

Shot of Superman flying into the air, rapid cut to Lois backed against a wall in fear, rapid cut back to Superman rocketing upwards, rapid cut to Lex laughing evilly, back to Superman, rapid cut to Jason in his bed as a giant shadow is cast over him, yet again to Superman, rapid cut to Cadmus Labs exterior as it's covered in bright white light then as the light fades becomes completely dark, back to Superman, cut to Lois in a crowd of people and up on a public stage Lex Luthor stands with the American flag as a giant banner behind him, now we have a view from above Superman looking down at Metropolis as the giant city seems to be evolving; buildings become bigger and look even more sci-fi.

After observing what's happening for a moment Superman charges down with an over the shoulder shot, as he gets closer to his destination we see he's charging at the humanoid cyborg Brainiac. A green dust flies out of the robot, Superman is in noticable pain and falls to the ground, the dust was Kryptonite in aerosole form. Fade to another shot, Brainiac leans over Superman.

Brainiac:
I thought you were the Last Son Of Krypton but I realise you have spawned. This is an anomalee that is my duty to fix so before I crush you, I will make your heir my own.

Superman then watches as Lex appears with Jason in one hand and a gun in the other. He throws the boy to Brainiac who goes down on one knee.

Superman:
no...

Brainiac places a hand on Jason's face.

Jason:
Superman!

Superman:
no...

Jason begins to writhe about and his body starts to change, we only catch small glimpses but he starts to appear like Brainiac does.

Superman:
NO!

Smash cut to the S symbol as it begins to mutate so it too is similar to the Brainiac design.

THE LAST SON OF KRYPTON

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I hope you guys enjoy it, have a good one. Editted for spelling.

[HarleyQuinn]

hey, this is really good! I envisioned it as I read it, and it's definately a movie I would go see- I can't wait to see what your script has to offer ^^ good work!

[Smegger56]

That was really good. I loved how you changed the mood and music just before the supes theme REALLY kicked in. And you slogans for it, top notch. :woot:

[Lighthouse]

Not bad. What did you use to make it? Most of mine were from Windows Movie Maker.

[Namor]

Nice effort. :up:

[Darth Elektra]

Good Job.

[super-t]

i used movie maker to, im also goin to redo that one, and do one with brainiac!

[The Kid]

:heart: :heart: :heart: Woooohoooo that was great. Here's mine!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFgSMSKxqmc

I just finished it and I'm excited to show it to you guys. It took me many hours to create using all those sources; yay:Tell me what you think of it.

[poutine-man]

Sorry, dude, I stopped watching once the Queen song started playing. No offense. :word:




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I'm Poutine-Man!

[boywonder13]

cool

[The Kid]

Sorry, dude, I stopped watching once the Queen song started playing. No offense. :word:




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I'm Poutine-Man!

none taken. Care to tell me why though?:yay:

[Superfreak]

I'm gonna say cool, but I'm also gonna say booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!! !!! to bizarro

worst villain that could ever be introduced into a live action franchise. It'll be a disaster no matter how they handle it

[Kabuki_Jo]

No offense, Wesyeed, but...huh?!
Duh!

better luck next time, man.

[poutine-man]

none taken. Care to tell me why though?:yay:


Well, I didn't finish watching it so I can't give an objective critique, but when the Queen song started up, it just really turned me off so I stopped watching. I'm not sure that particular song lends itself to a Superman trailer. Just sayin' is all. :word:

[The Kid]

Queen was essential to my artistic vision for the trailer. I needed something fun and primal in a way, to evoke a sense of forthcoming epic adventure, you know?

Anyway there's more than queen in there since the song finished before the vied did so I decided to use one of my favorite movie scores ever by James Horner. It's a good one.

[TheBat812]

it was alright, but nobody at a theatre would understand the backwards S.

[Excel]

I'll treat just like the release of a movie over a week-

friday-marketigng campaign
saturday-entire plot breakdown (this would be the movies release).


SO-Heres where I would start.

Director-Christopher Colombus

WHY I picked him-
He's somebody who can capture the tone a superman movie needs perfectly. The fun yet serious tone. He's a specialist. A lot like a spider-man, or harry potter 1 tone. He can also handle the atmosphere great-Potter 1 was a great example-thats a huge movie in terms of size and scale; it goes alot of places, just like a star wars movie would, or how a superman movie should but didnt in RETURNS. He has shown with Harry Potter 1 he can handle enormous movies and enormous pressure, and do it well. Potter 1 wa s only not a GREAT movie-just a good one-due to poor performances-understandibly-from the child actors. We wouldnt have to worry about that with this movie. I'm confident with him wed geta huge fun, epic movie that wouldnt be so overly serious that it make sthe movie less entertaining, which is what happened in SUPERMAN RETURNS.

WHY I gave Singer the boot-
Basically what I said above. He didnt understandf the way a modern-sueprman should be. The atmosphere was way off, as was tone and pacing. He just took what sahould be a big fun movie and made it far too serious to be entertaining to a wide audience.


CAST
CAST(in order of screentime)
Superman-Brandon Routh
Lois Lane-Kate Bosworth
Ty-Zor-Billy Zane
Brainiac-Jason Isaacs
Jor-el-Anthony Hopkins
Richard White-James Marsden
Lex Luthor-Kevin Spacey
Kitty-Parker Posey
Jimmy Olsen-Sam Huntington
Perry White-Frank Langella

SYPNOSIS
Plot Sypnoisis:

SUPERMAN 2
The man of steel is back! This time, a former invention of jor-el'(Anthony Hopkins), BRAINIAC is here. A massive alien machine lifeform. Leader of a foreign planet now, he and his heir, Ty-zor(Billy Zane), along with their armies, head to Earth to hunt down Kal-el, find his kryptonion technology, and take over Earth! Adding to fuel to fire is Superman budding relationship with Lois Lane(Kate Bosworth), who cannot help but fall back in love with her former flame as she grows farther apart from her fiance, Richard White(Richard White). All the scenarios combine for the greatest Superman adventure ever assembled for the big screen! From massive alien cities, to the sandy deserts of Egypt. From Brainiacs huge glorious Skull Ship Space Sation, to the icy fortress of solitude. From the aerial dogfight between Superman and Brainiacs invading army, to a worlwide battle with Ty-zor, SUPERMAN 2 promised to tbe the best super hero film of them all!

DETAILS

Budget-200 million

-costume changes- a lot less retro and a lot more modern. Spider-man matirial of classic superman suit, with traditional colors and traditional S.

This would be my suit:



http://smashdesign.homestead.com/Files/SUPERMAN-COVER-1.jpg


RELEASE DATE

MAY 1ST, 2009

or

5.1.09

[superbaby]

what''s the point?

btw, the budget is $200mil??? too expensive.

[Super Kal]

you can't make that assumption... just because Singer screwed it up doesn't mean another director will do the same thing.

[I Am The Knight]

200 million is enough. I don't think WB would want to spend any more than that anyways. About the director, I'd still go with Peter Jackson if Singer did not come back.

[hypeSUPERMAN]

I'd hate Superman Returns 2 to have a Harry Potter/Spiderman tone. Those movies are for children and teens. Superman should have a much more mature tone than that. Actually it should have the same tone as Superman Returns come to think of it....

I don't agree with the idea of making Superman Returns 2 a "big fun movie", that would make it very forgettable. Don't make Superman into a popcorn flick, save that for the kids movies. Superman Returns 2 should be emotional and tough, with a message.

Singer gave the movie a depth you will never see in Harry Potter or Spiderman.

[Super Kal]

exactly... it was way too serious, especially if he wanted to make it for young teens. Kids want action today, not a chick flick, and whose to say that it would feel like a HP movie if that guy did it?...

[Kabuki_Jo]

Superman Returns 2 should be emotional and tough, with a message.

Singer gave the movie a depth you will never see in Harry Potter or Spiderman.

Not another Superman Returns, please!

Singer made it utterly boring...

[Super Kal]

i agree... the last thing I wanna see is another boring film.

[Excel]

CAST(in order of screentime)
Superman-Brandon Routh
Lois Lane-Kate Bosworth
Ty-Zor-Billy Zane
Brainiac-Jason Isaacs
Jor-el-Anthony Hopkins
Richard White-James Marsden
Lex Luthor-Kevin Spacey
Kitty-Parker Posey
Jimmy Olsen-Sam Huntington
Perry White-Frank Langella

Plot Sypnoisis:

SUPERMAN 2
The man of steel is back! This time, a former invention of jor-el'(Anthony Hopkins), BRAINIAC is here. A massive alien machine lifeform. Leader of a foreign planet now, he and his heir, Ty-zor(Billy Zane), along with their armies, head to Earth to hunt down Kal-el, find his kryptonion technology, and take over Earth! Adding to fuel to fire is Superman budding relationship with Lois Lane(Kate Bosworth), who cannot help but fall back in love with her former flame as she grows farther apart from her fiance, Richard White(Richard White). All the scenarios combine for the greatest Superman adventure ever assembled for the big screen! From massive alien cities, to the sandy deserts of Egypt. From Brainiacs huge glorious Skull Ship Space Sation, to the icy fortress of solitude. From the aerial dogfight between Superman and Brainiacs invading army, to a worlwide battle with Ty-zor, SUPERMAN 2 promised to tbe the best super hero film of them all!

[Super Kal]

cool... I like that storyline. :up:

[matrix_ghost]

btw excel. Didn't you make a thread like this a while ago. I could've sworn i did some posting in there too :huh:

[Excel]

that was a start of the script, which i abandoned (long story).

now im not bragging, but the stporys coming along GREAT!

[Kabuki_Jo]

nice storyline, Excel.

[hypeSUPERMAN]

I enjoyed Superman Returns more than any film I've ever seen, and so did everyone else who saw it that I know of. That is why I want the sequel to be exactly the same tone. You couldn't pay me to see Harry Potter.

[I Am The Knight]

that was a start of the script, which i abandoned (long story).

now im not bragging, but the stporys coming along GREAT!

According to you, everything you do is great. :woot:

[hypeSUPERMAN]

btw according to statistics 60% of people that saw SR in America were over the age of 25. So Singer would be stupid to make the sequel like Harry Potter. Superman is for all ages, so if you make it child-like then it will cut off a lot of people over 25.

[hypeSUPERMAN]

Superman movies were never meant to be for children, its a love story. Children don't look for love stories. They look for broomsticks and stuff. So if you say Superman should have a Harry Potter tone then you don't understand Superman.

[matrix_ghost]

I enjoyed Superman Returns more than any film I've ever seen, and so did everyone else who saw it that I know of. That is why I want the sequel to be exactly the same tone. You couldn't pay me to see Harry Potter.

So i take it you've never seen ANY of thr HP movies :huh:
Cause if you did , you would realise that the character did mature alot in the past movies.
It's not a kiddie flick . Kiddie flicks are PokeMom the movie , where an eight year old understands everything but the plot is completely incomprehensible to a adult. The Potter movies are far more darker then you'd imagine.
The best comparison i could find for the Potter movies are EmpireStrikes Back ( the last movie is very much in a ESB veign) and Toy Story ( movies that you can watch with you're kids or even with you're own grandpa and still like 'em). The movies are truly made for all ages.That's the way the potter movies are nowadays.



And as for what you said about statistics :
That 40 % that was below 25 is obviously the group that post regularly at the hype whereas the 60 % is clearly the group that saw the earlier movies in the cinemas.

[Lightning54SC]

im curious to ask how you made the cloud line and 3d stuff, please PM what software so i can take a stab at one :)

[Excel]

teaser trailer
fade in with the very beginning of the music starting, that quiet, subtle theme.
-shot of woods in fog-animals slowly march towards us
-BLACK SCREEN-TEXT-Every story has middle…
-shot of a sleek, small alien ship in bright sunny desert
-BLACK SCREEN-TEXT-Every journey has a lesson….
-shot of alien city with aircraft everywhere during the day
-BLACK SCREEN-TEXT-Every generation has a hero…
-With that, the main heroic part of theme BLARES suddenly to aa start as we’re
-In superman’s vision, we race through the canyons of the Midwest, breath takingly low, and very fast
-The score blares and continues spectacularly
-Superman turns his head past the camera-dives down in an arc
-Superman CATCHES tipping-over sky scrapper
-Superman is flying underwater-dodges an explosion
-Ty-zor does a spin move while brandishing his BLASTTAFF-a glowing red pipe-sized weapon which fires from either end
-A lone alien pod rockets towards us, away from Brainiac’s skull ship, EARTH in the backround.
-In a kryptonion palace hall, soldiers crouch behind massive PILLARS, firing lazer weapons back and fourth
-Lois turns and looks into the sky-her hair blowing behind
-Superman-on foot-runs away from a crashing object in the woods, racing towards the camera, taking out trees
-Superman spins and fly’s past a midair explosion
-Superman punches ty-zor
-The same alien pod races by and past to reveal its heading for Earth
-SUPERMAN(voice over)-“We’re not alone”
-Jor-el(45) all through krypton
-JOR-EL (voice over)-“I trust our planets survival on it”-cut to a picture of BRAINIAC
-Superman glares off screen
-Shot of Jason sitting down
-TY-ZOR turns , right next to Jason
-Lex Luthor speaks to ty-zor –“you must watch the boy”
-Superman yells “Get out of here! Now!”
-In the bright, sunny desert, superman reflect blastaff bullets from TY-ZOR
-Lois walks with Superman –“We need to talk”
-Superman flys over a cheering crowd, waving
-A crashing pod flys towards the space ship, millions of aircraft surrounding it in a fight
-Jor-el speaks – “it is only natural what you are feeling”
-Supermans Lois fly past the screen
-twin doors hiss and slide apart, revealing ty-zor, waiting.
-Jor-el continues-“But the question remains”
-Superman is with Lois-“It isn’t how it used to be”
-Superman is in a fighting stance, closing up on his PISSED, DETERMINED face inside the skull ship, in a bright, massive room.
-Jor-el continues – “Is it right”.
-Ty-zor moves in on the camera, facing superman, blasstaff glowing, as we close up on his evil face
-Superman zooms between buildings
-In the dsame huge hall, Ty-zor stands, arm outstretched infront of him, blastaff outstretched, horizontal, and it GLOWS from the center out to the end
-The final part of the music begins
-Brainiacs army stand in lines
-Ty-zor thrusts his blasstaff onto superman
-Superman flys between 1000’s of alien ships, eye-lasers one which explodes-grabs another wing and throws it at another one which collide in an explosion
-People on earth look to the sky to see 1000’s of ships approaching
-Superman flys over ty-zor, kicking away the blasstaff
-In the woods, a small aircraft races through the woods, firing lazers off screen
-superman flys by the screen
-an explosion on the side of the space ship in space-hits the camera
-2
-5.1.09

[Ulic Queldroma]

Ty-Zor? Sounds suspiciously like JJ Abrams Script. Hmm....

[Excel]

nope. just couldnt think of a better name, actually.

[I Am The Knight]

I'm sure there are better ones. I mean ''Ty Zor'' I always hated that. But I'm sure you'll be able to come up with something else. Unless you actually like it of course....

[Excel]

SUPER BOWL SPOT
-W.B. LOGO
-DC LOGO
-we open on a shot of the real jor-el on krypton- "I sense something....wrong"
-Superman looks up towards us on a close
-black screen-text- ON MAY 1ST
-The main heroic theme blares
-Superman catches a falling building
-Superman readies a fighting stance
-black screen-text-THE MAN OF STEEL FIGHTS
-Shot of Brainiac in midair
-Ty-zor stands-arm outstretched-blasstaff igniting very coolly.
-black screen-text-THE ULTIMATE BATTLE
-Ty-zor catches his blasstaff as it was falling
-Superman kicks two alien soldiers-1 with each leg-at the same time
-Superman reflects a blastaff bullet-its a glowing laser bullt-it ricochets away
-superman and ty-zor, on a bridge, have their "sword fight" with glowing blastaffs-sparks flying as they meet
-An alien pod races downards over the sunny canyons on Nevada
-Superman flies upwards
-Lois Lane looks to the sky
-an alien pod races away from a massive alien ship
-Wew're behind superman in space-hes rockets between millions of fighting alien pods, and heads for the space ship, when he flies through a huge explosion
-Superman leaps off a bridge towards ty-zor
-superman flies with lois
-the main heroic theme is playing the entire time-very upbeat and cheerful
-Superman punches ty-zor
-superman zooms through the clouds tyzor in pursuit
-an alien pod races away
-ty-zor hurls an oil tanker truck at superman-it explodes
-in the desert buy the pyramid, ty-zor opens fire with his blastaff on superman
-superman says " were not alone"
-superman and ty-zor collide midair
-tangled up, they rocket between skyscrappers of metropolis as we tail behind em moving with them
-cut to infront-they hit the camera
-2
-THE SUPERMAN LOGO APPEARS
-Superman looks annoyed- "They always come at a bad time"
-MAY 1ST

[antmanx68]

Brainiac would have fit in seemlessly with Superman Returns and Lex's plan. Actually if it was Brainiac's plan that he teamed up with Lex for it would have made a lot more sense. Less of a get rich quick scheme and more of a god-like alien intelligence wanting to own this planet. Superman Returns with Brainiac basically writes itself, it sucks really bad that Singer made a boring movie. Some of you guys have no vision... you CAN make an action packed movie with good, SMART action and still have all the drama and emotional content you could ever want... ESPECIALLY with a movie. Singer chose to take the not so exciting part of Superman and focus exclusively on it.

[Excel]

im taking the heroic part and focusing on it :)

[Excel]

THEATRICAL TRAILER
-W.B. logo
-D.C. logo
-Shot of a very large hill, sun shining down on it. Over the top, appear MASSIVE alien war machines, slowly cruising towards us!
-Shot of the large, glorious krypton city. It's dawn, and we look at the large, human like palaces and buildings.
-Jor-el(Anthony Hopkins) is before the council-"You are asking for a war".
-We're now behind the machines, as they cruise down a hill, slowly heading towards a foriegn alien city in the distance
-The council looks at Jor-el-"You put to much trust into this.......machine"-
-Jor-el looks up in disbelief
-An alien pod goes by the camera, turning with it to see its heading for Earth
-A alien hover ship hovers down over a forest canopy
-Ty-zor marches out of his ship in the desert at night.
-He speaks to Brainiac on a balcony in their city-"Atlast we have found Kal-el."!
-The alien army ships cruises through space, past moons-massive starwars-type ships and little pods racing around them
-army machine soldiers stand in the ship, preparing for battle.
-Ty-zor continues "atlast we will have revenge"
-The soldiers lock weapons-
-Brainiac orders "Begin the invasion"
-We see them heading out into space
-In metropolis, Lois lane looks out her window, towards the sky.
-CLARK KENT hears an explosion-runs
-Shot of superman-he says "we need to hurry"
-Superman rockets away from earth and past the camera in space, gunfire heard, and mini explosions all around him
-Superman is with Lois at night-"I dont know what they are"
-the alien crafts break through earths atmosphere
-Ty-zor sees Superman
-Superman catches a falling building
-Superman-"I need you and Jason go away for a little while"
-Superman fights with ty-zort
-Lois says -"we're staying here. WITH YOU"
-Superman and Lois Lane kiss
-Jason walks by clark, who see make a funny face and turn to see him
-Superman is with high ranking goverment officials
-"We need everything we can get-"
-Superman flys past the camera
-Superman runs through the space ships hallway (again, star warsish)
-he meets 3 soldiers-
-superman says "ill fight as best i can"
-superman melts on soldiers, dodging blastaff bullets, and kicks another
-superman finishes-"but i am only one man"
-Brainiac looks over his troops
-Brainiac-"we are ready"
-tY-ZOR SMILES evily-Superman glares right back-
-they stare each other down on a street at night in china
-superman says "get ready"
-Alien pods firing lasers in space
-an alien city is attacked by brainiacs army
-Superman runs away from a small alien hover craft in the woods
-Superman says -"if they make landfall, they will take over"
-alien pods pull out of a ship
-superman grabs an alien pod and throws it at another one,m colliding and exploding
-Ty-zor spins and fires his blastaff
-Superman kicks two soldiers at the same time
-superman throws a taxi cab at ty-zor, it breaks into 10 pieces and falls to the ground as it hits him, him not budging
-soldiers fire and shoot lasers form behind huge pillars in a huge hall
-superman flys past us, blastaff in hand
-alien pods race away from earth
-jor-el speaks -"there are always two"
-clark looks out over the kansas sunset
-jor-el (voiceover)-"what you want to do"
-superman locks eyes with LOIS-they kiss
-jor-el(voiceover)-"and what you have to do"
-the score begins to kick in
-ty-zor draws his blastaff as he looks up into the sky in the middle of hte sunny egypt desert
-superman and ty-zor kick off the ground-collide in midair
-an alien pod races downwards explodes
-superman-ty-zor in pursuit-races through the sunny nevada canyons
-superman flys into the space ship landing dock
-the ships draws 1000's of weapons
-saupermand ty-zor tangled up-flys between skyscrappers
-superman smashes his blastaff into ty-zors
-superman and ty-zor have a swet 5 hit suel with blastaffs, sparks flying as they meet
-superman and lois hug
-superman kicks ty-zor
-a pod explods and hit the camera-
-superman flys into the camera
-CUT TO A HUGE
-2
-S LOGO APPEARS BEHIND
-Brainiac-voieover-"this is the end"
-clos up on tyzors pissed off face
-jason runs away
-brainiac-"of kal-el"
-superman screams in pain-IT CARRES TILL THE LAST SHOT
-A pod crashes into the earth
-a missile from a jet hits apod-explodes
-3 soliders run towards the screen in the hallway of the ship-fir catche sup to them-hits the screen
05.1.09

[hypeSUPERMAN]

^^^^ sounds too corny aka lord of the rings/harry potter

[hypeSUPERMAN]

Brainiac would have fit in seemlessly with Superman Returns and Lex's plan. Actually if it was Brainiac's plan that he teamed up with Lex for it would have made a lot more sense. Less of a get rich quick scheme and more of a god-like alien intelligence wanting to own this planet. Superman Returns with Brainiac basically writes itself, it sucks really bad that Singer made a boring movie. Some of you guys have no vision... you CAN make an action packed movie with good, SMART action and still have all the drama and emotional content you could ever want... ESPECIALLY with a movie. Singer chose to take the not so exciting part of Superman and focus exclusively on it.

If you don't like Superman Returns you just aren't mature enough for it. It has more emotional depth than any superhero film ever made. I'd much rather Superman Returns than another forgettable X-men/Spiderman film.

[The Kid]

I want Robert Zemeckis to be the director for a new Superman that's not a vague sequel. He'd capture the fun spirit of the comic perfectly but make a serious drama too. Imagine not falling asleep. That's what I'd love for supes.

[Klor-El]

Bryan Singer WILL be directing the next Superman sequel. Yes, the first film was a tad bit slow but remmeber so was X-Men - and then X-men 2 was even better! Singer always starts the first film slowely as a way to establish the characters and then hit us with the all-action sequels, so the next superman film will be awesome.

Plot for the next film will feature Brainac. Basically, there is still some reminisce of kryptonian technology left on earth after Lex tried to use it for his own ends in Supes returns. It turns out that the crystals left on earth have some artifical intelligence in them - a type of CPU.. called - Brainiac!

[The Question]

Here's how I see it happening:

In deep space, a small probe has been monotoring transmitions from Earth. It picks up on news reports on the strange hapening with Lex's "New Krypton," and thus heads to Earth to Investigate.

On Earth, Clark is dealing as best he can with Lois' relationship with Richard. Jimmy starts to pick up on the fact that Clark has feelings for Lois, and does his best to brighten his spirits through various acts of male bonding. Meanwhile, Clark learns that during his absense, an armored vigilante with his cape and \S/ sheild had taken up defending Metropolis' Suicide Slum, who has been dubbed Man of Steel (later simply shortened to Steel) by the press. Superman investigates, and finds that the man is John Henry Irons, a former military scientist who took up the role of Metropolis' defender after Supes disapeared.

The probe now lands on Earth, and is found by a carnival preformer and self proclaimed psychic named Milton Fine. The probe latches onto Fine, killing him, and takes control of his body. It amplifies Fine's meager psychic abilities to vast levels and takes his stage name, Brainiac, as it's own. Brainiac then sets out to preform the task it was programmed for centuries ago by a civilization that has long since ceased to be as Brainiac remembers it: To aquire all knowledge and technology of Earth, and then pacify and conquer it in the name of order. It realizes that Superman and Lex Luthor both pose major threats to it's goal, so it sets plans in motion to eliminate them both.

First, it locates Luthor on the Island where we last saw him, and "pacifies" him (in essence, removing all traces of free will and making him into Brainiac's puppet). He and Zombie-Luthor head back to America. Brainiac, speaking for Luthor, contacts two cirminals: John Corben, a Harvard graduate and mod enforcer, and Rudy Jones, a blue collar thug and wanted theif and murderer. They are led to believe that Luthor is creating a major criminal organization, and needs legmen. Brainiac turns Corben into a cyborg with vast super strength and a Kryptonite heart, his metal body forged from a nigh indestructible alloy from Brainiac's homeworld called Metallo. Jones is biologically altered, given the ability to absorb almost all forms of energy directed at him and convert them into power, thus making him a sort of energy Parasite. The main side effects are that he looses all hair and his skin and eyes turn purple.

Metallo and The Parasite and then sent on a rash of burgularies, stealing mostly high tech electronic equipment. At first, Superman thinks that they are mere theives, but upon confronting them is overpowered by their combined might. They escape, and Superman tracks them down. There, he finds out that Luthor (under Brainiac's control) has been building some strange device. He atempts to stop them, but is held down by Brainiac's telekenisis. Brainiac then takes the knowledge of how to use the Fortress of Solitiude's technology from Superman's mind, and then locks him and Luthor in a room with a very large chunk of synthetic Kryptonite for both of them to die of massive radiation poisoning. Braniac, Metallo, and The Parasite then head to the North Pole.

As Superman and Lex are slowly dying, Steel shows up and frees Lex from Brainiac's control. They both save Superman, Lex knowing that he needs him to stop Brainiac. The three then follow Brainiac to the fortress, where it is fitting it's technology to the Fortress' computer. It will amplify Braniac's telepathy, enabling it to gain all knowledge of the Earth, and then pacify the entire planet. Superman, Steel, and Luthor show up, and Metallo and Parasite are ordered to deal with them. Steel tries to hit Metallo, but his punched into a wall, seemingly killed. Superman is left to deal with the two villains, and is quickly overpowered. Metallo leaves Superman to The Parasite so he can find Luthor. Meanwhile, a badly injuried Steel is able to use some of the Fortress' technology to heal himself and upgrade his armor. As Metallo searches through the fortress for Lex, Steel, atacks him. With his new armor, they're much more evenly matched. Steal ends up winning by smashing in Metallo's legs and ripping out his Kryptonite heart.

Superman, after a very feirce battle with The Parasite, defeats him by freezing him in the arctic snow. Superman then atacks Brainiac, distracting him enough for Lex and Steel to dissarm and destroy his device. A very angry Brainiac then tries to detsroy them, but Superman intervenes. The two fight furriously, but Superman prevails in the end, crushing Brainiac under one of the Fortress' giant crystals.

Lex then uses the incident to "prove" his innocence and say that Brainiac was controlling him. He then begins plans to create Lexcorp, and saves a peice of Brainiac's body in his office, which seems to still be alive.


My desired cast of new characters would be:


Brainiac/Milton Fine: Brent Spiner

The Parasite: Adam Baldwin

Metallo: James Marsters

Steel: I don't know, really.

[matthooper]

If you don't like Superman Returns you just aren't mature enough for it.

I see, it had nothing to do with the fact that I just didn't like it. It had nothing to do with what I found to be a rediculous story, a terrible Luthor, lack of action, a soap opera plot and a director who's only knowledge of Superman came from a 1978 movie. Now I know that it is actually my maturity level that was the foundation of my distain for the film. Thank you for clearing that up.

[Excel]

computers broken,so im waiting for it get fixed to copy & paste plot.

heres marketing campaign

11.21.08
teaser airs with HARRY POTTER 6


early march 2009
trailer airs with springs biggest film

APRIL 1ST, 2009
-Tie ins with BURGER KING, PEPSI, LAYS, and GATORADE begin
-toys everywhere
-Green Day Music video titles "backs against the wall"
-toys released
-6 tv spots begin to air 1 an hour on every channel

APRIL 15TH
-4 MORE TV SPOTS
-2 times an hour on every channel

APRIL 23RD
-time Magazine cover
-all tv spots air 3 an hour on every channel

MAY 1ST
Movie opens

[Dark Knight]

Good job.

[Weadazoid]

what is that supposed to fortell....Bizzaro?

[Mr. Superhero]

I like the "Coming Soon" bit...

...Yeah, in three years.

[Lightning54SC]

saw this...i thought id share....

WARNING! it has Contains images from Superman Returns movie...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJzMhKk-Koc

[rkx]

superman returns sequel script???

hey everyone!!! wassup???

i am an avid superman fan and i totally enjoyed the man of steel's return to theatre with this summer's superman returns, however i was a wee bit peeved with the fact that there wasnt enough action, but all in all, it was a great movie. so i decided i was gonna get all creative and do my own version of a movie script for a sequel...so here's my teaser for what i would love to see for a superman sequel....

p.s. bryan singer, if u read this and decide to use this, i would be more than happy with a lil screen credit and *maybe, jus maybe* a lil walk-on roll???? (sighs....a guy can dream rite????)

so to one and all....read, comment and give me ideas to build on!!!!

SUPERMAN : LEGACY


1. EXT. SPACE NEAR KRYPTON

A miniscule RED DOT appears, growing larger, spreading evenly into a BLAZING SUN, which fills the SCREEN. The fiery' red SUN now grows smaller as we fall through space and see beyond it - the planet Krypton. As CAMERA CONTINUES toward Krypton, we see satellites, spacecraft, and Krypton's two distinct hemispheres. CAMERA HOLDS, PEERS DOWN at the city of Kryptonopolis.


(Digitally Re-mastered Clip from Superman 1)
2. EXT. KRYPTONOPOLIS - DAY

CAMERA PANS the white, prismatic crystalline mountains near the city. WE SEE a gleaming, quicksilver lake.

3. EXT. CITY OF KRYPTONOPOLIS - DAY

Kryptonopolis is a magical city, constructed of pure white crystalline matter that encloses and protects it from the blazing red sun. CAMERA TRACKS across futuristic glass buildings, glass skyways, tunnels, and enclosed gardens, finally CLOSING IN on a specific domed structure silhouetted against the sky.

4. INT. COUNCIL - DAY

A pristinely immaculate chamber that overlooks the city of Kryptonopolis. Austere, dominated by concentric circles around which the TWELVE ELDERS sit or stand. In the center of the inner circle revolved an intelligence source on which various information may be presented. JOR-EL enters the chamber, appearing almost through motivational volition than through physical propulsion. The ELDERS turn, look at him. JOR-EL is deeply concerned.

FIRST ELDER
An unpleasant duty has been masterfully
performed, Jor-El. They have
received the fate they deserved -
isolation in the Phantom Zone - an
eternal living death.

JOR EL
A... chance for life, nonetheless.
As opposed to us.

Consternation from the ELDERS. A suddenly angry JOR-EL gestures at the revolving intelligence source in the center - various unfathomable equations appear.

JOR-EL
You can't ignore these facts!
It's suicide! Worse! Genocide!

FIRST ELDER
Jor-El, be warned. The Council has
already evaluated this... outlandish
theory of yours.

JOR-EL
My friends, you know me' to be
neither rash nor impulsive.
I am not given to wild, unsupported
statements. I tell you we must evacuate
this planet immediately!

FIRST ELDER
You are one of Krypton' s greatest
scientists, Jor-El ...

SECOND ELDER
But so is Vond-Ah.

VOND- AH
(rising)
Thank you ..
(to JOR-EL)
It isn't that I question your data.
The facts are undeniable.

VOND-AH gestures at the intelligence source. JOR-EL'S equations disappear, are immediately replaced by a new series. VOND-AH smiles thinly.

VOND-AH
It's your conclusions I find
unsupportable.

JOR-EL
This planet will explode within thirty
days! Sooner perhaps!

VOND- AH
I tell you Krypton is simply shifting
its orbit!

(INTERCUT NEW SCENE)

Suddenly the crystals in the center of the room comes to life, a pulsating beacon of dark green light – the room is bathed by this light. The camera zooms into the light as we see the energy focus onto three primary points, forming a V of circles, burning green circles – the BRAINIAC system. It begins to speak in a cold, emotionless, mechanical voice.

BRAINIAC
Members of the Kryptonian High Council,
I have analyzed Senior Council Member
Jor-El’s findings…
(a series of graphs, figures are brought up,
including a model showing the planet exploding)
…and must concur that his apocalyptic
conclusions are nothing more than an
exaggeration.
(New figures, model showing a planet
with a slight shift in its orbit on a star map)
What you are presently experiencing is nothing
more than a change in planetary orbit as per
Council member Vond- Ah’s supposition.
There is no need for worry I say.
(forceful)
This is my Final Verdict.

V.O. of SECOND ELDER as the camera slowly pulls out as we watch BRAINIAC slowly power off, returning the room to it’s original state.

SECOND ELDER
(pleased)
Thank You Brianiac. Your Decision is accepted by this council. Now…

(REJOINS ORIGINAL SEQUENCE WITHOUT ANY BREAK IN THE FLOW )

SECOND ELDER
Jor-El, be reasonable...

JOR-EL
(annoyed)
I have never been otherwise. The
madness is yours!

FIRST ELDER
(snaps firmly)
This discussion is terminated!
The decision of the council is
final.
(pause - to JOR-EL)
Any attempt by you to create A
Climate of fear and panic among
the populace must be deemed by
us an act of ... insurrection.

JOR-EL
You would accuse me of insurrection?
Has it now become a crime to cherish life?

FIRST ELDER
(with reluctance)
You. . . would be banished to endless
imprisonment in the Phantom Zone - the
eternal void which you yourself discovered.

Deadly silence. The FIRST ELDER locks eyes with JOR-EL.

FIRST ELDER
Will you abide by the Council's
decision?

JOR-EL
(long pause)
I will remain silent. Neither my wife
nor I will attempt to leave Krypton.

(to be continued...)

[rkx]

SUPERMAN:LEGACY (pt2 of 3)

5. INT. JOR-EL'S LABORATORY - NIGHT

CAMERA CLOSE ON JOR-EL, LARA, and the BABY, their glowing auras spilling across the SCREEN as the parents stare down at their offspring. A loving, almost beatific family portrait. LARA'S eyes flutter. Tears run down her cheek.

JOR-EL
(sad whisper)
You will travel far, my little Kal-El.
But I will never leave you. Even in
the face of my death the richness of my
life shall be yours. All that I have learned,
everything I feel, all of this and more I have
bequeathed to you my son. You shall carry me
inside you all your days. You will make my
strength your own, see my life through your eyes,
as your .life will be seen through mine. The son
becomes the father the father becomes the son. This
is all that I can send with you , Kal-El. And not
near so rich a gift as that your mother sends
along. Her ... love.

6. INT. JOR-EL' S LABORATORY - NICHT

The massive energy columns throb with white light. The BABY has been fastened in a module, wrapped in his blankets. LARA reluctantly steps back as JOR-EL places the last crystals inside, including a green one, secures and seals all openings. The BABY vanishes from sight. The module automatically slides into a larger spacecraft and is sealed in.

CUT TO:

JOR-EL and LARA clinging onto each other as the rocket launches, heading upwards, shattering the glass sealing, speeding off into the darkness of space.

7. EXT. SPACE, KRYPTON

The camera pans wide as we follow the arcing path of the ship carrying the precious babe till the ship disappears in space. Suddenly the camera whips round, focusing on a spot on the planet surface where we see a ball of light racing towards us, it rockets pass the camera giving us a brief glimpse of a mechanical orb holding a crystal in the center with three green circles arranged in a familiar pattern.

8. CUT TO: INT. KAL-EL’s ROCKET
Camera focuses on the sleeping child wrapped in sheets of red, yellow and blue, swirling around the child slowly as the ship rocks from the vibrations of what was Krypton’s destruction. We can hear LARA and JOR-EL’s voices echoing in the background.

JOR-EL
It's the only answer Lara. If he remains here
he will die as surely as. . .we will.

LARA
But why earth, Jor-El. They're primitives.
Thousands of years behind us.

JOR-EL
He will need that advantage to survive.
Their atmosphere will sustain him ...

LARA
He will defy their gravity ...

JOR-EL
He will look like one of them.

LARA
But he won't be one of them.

JOR-EL
His dense molecular structure will make
him strong ...

JOR-EL
Fast. Virtually invulnerable ...

LARA
Isolated. Alone ...

JOR-EL
He will not be alone. He will never...
be alone.

CAMERA SLOWLY FADES TO DARKNESS.

9. SOMEWHERE IN THE CARIBBEAN – EXT. VOLCANO

Powerful explosions rock a tiny island as the volcano comes to life, spewing forth tremendous bursts of smoke, ash and lava. The island is bathed by this deadly shower of material.


10. MOUNTAIN ROAD

A military truck speeds by, trying to outrun the fiery lava flows making their way down the slopes. The DRIVER turns sharply as he corners round the mountain. In the back, we can see several men, women and children. They are packed together, holding onto each other fearfully. Suddenly the radio crackles to life…

11. INT. TRUCK CABIN

V.O. RADIO (male)
(lots of static)
Bravo Bravo Niner do you read?
I repeat, do you read us?

The driver reaches over, answering the radio.

DRIVER
(flustered)
Evac HQ, this is Bravo Bravo Niner, I read you.

RADIO
Bravo Bravo Niner, how far out are you? The
last rescue barge is waiting, I doubt they can
hold out for much longer. The captain wants
to haul tail outta’ here before the place goes.

DRIVER
(yelling frantically)
Tell him I’ll be there, I only need 5 more minutes
– This is the last set of civilians.

RADIO
Roger that, five minutes. BE THERE, or else….

DRIVER
Got it!

12. EXT. MOUNTAIN SIDE
A flow of lava suddenly bursts forth onto the road in the path of the truck. The DRIVER brakes sharply, pulling hard on the steering, trying his best to divert the vehicle from its present course. People in the back start screaming. The DRIVER throws the gears into reverse as he turns the truck around. He needs to find a way down somehow. He grimaces with frustration as he floors the accelerator. The truck lurches forward, engine revving powerfully, taking the corner in full. Disaster! Another lava flow blocks the road. The truck has nowhere to go. The DRIVER looks up the mountain side. To his dismay, the river of lava that feeds the two lava flows blocking his path is slowly making its way towards the vehicle. Mass pandemonium erupts in the tray of the vehicle as the civilians begin to panic hopelessly in a desperate bid for life.

13. EXT. BARGE DECK
The CAPTAIN is looking at the road leading to the dock. No vehicle in sight. He looks at his watch, ten minutes have passed. The FIRST MATE approaches.

FIRST MATE
(tense)
Captain?

CAPTAIN
(distracted)
Yes?

FIRST MATE
It’s been over ten minutes now sir, and we still
haven’t had any sign of the evacuation vehicle.
What do you want us to do?

CAPTAIN looks around one more time, then at his watch.

CAPTAIN
(beat)
(sighs) We can’t wait anymore. Our priority is to
get those who are already onboard to safety. I’m
sorry.
(looks at the dock again, still no sign of the truck)
Dammit!
(slams fist down)

14. EXT. MOUNTAIN SIDE
The thick river of lava is moving dangerously fast. It’s gaining speed. The CAMERA follows its movements as it destroys everything in its path. Nothing it seems will be able to stop its flow. The CAMERA continues to follow the flow, almost as if it was riding on top of the flow itself. We see in its path the truck, trapped and utterly unprotected. The CAMERA then zooms in suddenly towards the truck, through the window, closing in on the driver’s terrified face.

(to be continued...)

[rkx]

SUPERMAN;LEGACY (pt.3 of 3)

15. INT. TRUCK CABIN
All is lost, it’s useless to fight, the DRIVER knows it. EXTREME CLOSE UP of the driver’s eyes, tightly shut awaiting the inevitable. Seconds tick by slowly. Beads of perspiration roll down his face. Suddenly all is quiet, the muscles on his face begin to relax as confusion sets in – is he dead? Can’t be, he still feels very much alive. He opens his eyes slowly and looks out the window. His jaw drops in amazement. CAMERA PANS OUT to let us see what he sees:

SUPERMAN.

SUPERMAN standing in front the truck.

His posture, iconic - hands on his hips, cape flapping in the wind, hovering slightly above the ground. He’s using his super breath to both cool and forcefully divert the lava flow.
The lava flow cools, forming a thick domelike structure that protectively shelters the truck.

16. EXT. TRUCK
SUPERMAN lands lightly and proceeds to the DRIVER’s door.

SUPERMAN
Is everything ok officer?

DRIVER
(in a state of disbelief and amazement)
Superman…
(as he snaps out of it)
The barge!?!

SUPERMAN nods his head, he understands. He makes his way to the side of the truck. He stoops, positioning himself alongside.

SUPERMAN
Everyone…
(grinning)
…hold on tight.

With relative ease he lifts the truck off the ground, supporting its enormous weight on his right shoulder, steadying it with his left hand. With a single bound, he effortlessly floats into the air and begins descending rapidly to the barge far below, slowly chugging out to sea.

17. EXT. BARGE DECK
The captain, crew and several civilians are all looking up in the skies. A large shadow is cast over them. The shadow begins to get smaller, as though whatever was casting it was getting closer and closer to the barge. Everyone on deck begins to clear a large are to the center, as they continue to look up.

18. EXT. BARGE
From SUPERMAN’S P.O.V., we see the barge as he approaches it. He looks down as he plants his feet firmly on the deck. Gently he rests the truck on the deck, first lowering the free side, and then carefully his end. He takes a step backwards as he dusts out his hands.



19. EXT. BARGE DECK
The CAPTAIN and everyone is speechless. SUPERMAN looks around with a smile.

SUPERMAN
Good day captain, just thought I would lend
these people a hand – didn’t want them to
miss their ship out of here.

The CAPTAIN just nods his head, as SUPERMAN turns and rockets into the air.

20.
We follow SUPERMAN as he races over the ocean back towards the island. There is little time left. If he doesn’t act now, the volcano will erupt, and in its destruction lay waste to the majority of the island. He flies over the island, along the mountain, arcing upward into the sky.

21. EXT. ISLAND

SUPERMAN hovers above the island, floating in mid air for a few seconds, as if assessing the situation. Suddenly he plunges downwards, full force towards the crater of the volcano.

22. SUPERMAN’S P.O.V.
Hands outstretched, our hero plummets into the side of the volcano, cutting his way through the thick rock into the central funnel of the volcano. Without pause he begins to carve another vent out of the volcano’s main magna chamber in a bid to release the pressure building up inside.

23. EXT. BARGE DECK
All on board are looking on with awe on their faces, hope building as they watch in the distance a little red speck darting back and forth into the volcano’s sides, digging tunnel after tunnel.

CAPTAIN
(ecstatic)
Oh my God! He might actually be able to do it!
(turning to first mate, away from camera)
He’s actually releasing the pressure from inside!
(facing camera)
Come on Superman! You can do it!

24. EXT. VOLCANO CRATER
We hear a rumbling sound, long and deep, then crumbling. Before our eyes, a section of the volcano’s crater collapse into the lava pit below, first jus a small section, nothing of significance, then some more, and even more still, until at an alarming rate an entire section of the crater collapses, enough so that a wide river of lava is able to escape.

25. EXT. ISLAND
SUPERMAN bursts out of the side of the volcano and flies high into the sky before hovering with his back facing us. CUT TO: CLOSE UP of SUPERMAN’s face – a look of confusion and worry etched across it. CAMERA pans to show us what he sees – it zooms in on the river of lava tumbling slowly down the mountainside – then rushing down the slope – the seaside town in its path, the home of the several thousand people who live on this island. SUPERMAN darts forward, a blur of red and blue, racing away to the island.

26. EXT. MOUNTAIN SIDE
The lava is gaining speed, within moments it will be upon the town, destroying everything in its wake. Suddenly, a few hundred feet ahead of the sweltering lava flow, a giant slab of rock slams into the earth, it’s over 50 feet high, roughly about 30 feet across and 20 feet thick. The CAMERA races up the face of the rock, revealing SUPERMAN bracing the rock, using his body and strength to force the rock slab deep into the earth. CLOSE UP of his face, grimacing, as he attempts to get the rock moving through the tough volcanic soil. EXTREME CLOSE UP of SUPERMAN’s muscles, bulging, as he puts his strength into the rock. We hear the sounds of the rock beginning to move, slowly carving out a path in the hardened earth. We see the slab of rock moving, slowly at first, tearing into the ground, leaving a wide trench in its aftermath. SUPERMAN and the rock slab are gaining speed, digging the trench deeper and faster, down the slope, into the sea, safely away from the town.

27. EXT. LAVA FLOW
The lava pours into the trench, splashing violently, threatening to flow over the trench in its way. It looks like SUPERMAN’s efforts were in vain! But suddenly, the lava starts to flow down the alternative route provided, no longer struggling to overcome this obstacle in its passageway.

28. EXT. ISLAND
SUPERMAN takes to the air, carrying with him the huge rock slab in his arms. In the background we can see the lava flowing in the trench he had just made, pouring into the sea, cooling rapidly upon contact with the cool ocean waters.

29. EXT. CRATER
SUPERMAN plants the rock slab into the mountainside at the point where the crater had collapsed, effectively blocking the lava flow. Some lava tries to escape around the sides of the rock, no problem – one strong blast of super breath cools and solidifies the lava, permanently sealing the gap. SUPERMAN lands lightly on the mountain side before taking a step back. He is still tense, his hands at his side, in case his make-shift dam does not hold. He waits for a few seconds, listening, but nothing happens. He relaxes, and smiles, looking directly into the CAMERA.

CAMERA slowly moves down, from his face to the S-insignia emblazoned on his chest. Everything else fades from the picture except for the S, which suddenly fills up the entire screen.

END OF TEASER


ROLL OPENING CREDITS


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well there you have it! my opening teaser for a supes sequel...hope u liked it....stay tuned for more...remember guys feedback is important!!!reply please!!! till next time....au revoiur

[Excel]

Look, the way superman 2 goes is going to be very controversial. So I thought itd be cool to get a ton of fans to write the sequel for fun. write our own script. We'd determine the villains, the characters arcs, the action, ect, all the scenes, the dialgoue-all together. We'd be writing our own sequel script-exactly what we want. I had A STORY ON MY OTHER COMP. but it shut down and will not turn on, so until i fix it i have it all lost, so d start over. But this is starting from total scratch. Anybody who wants to join, repond and say so. I'll give say, 3-4 days for people to join, then we can start working on it.

MEMBERS:
1. Excel


ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION
1. Villains

[Excel]

My choice for villains is obviously Brainiac, who is a fan-fave. But I also feel there needs to be a physical villain for Superman to have super fight with, but i dont want that to be all it is, hence why I thought it would be cool to have a brianiac invading earth with his armies type of plot, and the physical villain is sessentially the armies leader; think superman "darth maul".

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Yes yes, everyone repeat same ideas now...

Lexcorp

Braniac

Metallo

[Excel]

well you gotta think....how?

Lex is wanted...how about the films subplot with luthor is his plan for lecorp. final scene is lois n clark at da grand opening

[Andy C.]

Hmm....y'know what? Just for the sake of originality, I say the villain should be Mr. Mxyzptlk.

[The Overlord]

My choice for villains is obviously Brainiac, who is a fan-fave. But I also feel there needs to be a physical villain for Superman to have super fight with, but i dont want that to be all it is, hence why I thought it would be cool to have a brianiac invading earth with his armies type of plot, and the physical villain is sessentially the armies leader; think superman "darth maul".

Robot brainiac with his lasers, forcefields and nearly indestructible body frame can go toe to toe with Superman.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Hmm....y'know what? Just for the sake of originality, I say the villain should be Mr. Mxyzptlk.


HA HA, that was refreshing :)

[Showtime]

I like The Eradicator as a villian, brought back from Superman's homeworld on the ship that landed in Smallville, or appearing by other means. He is after Jason because he is not a pure blood kryptonian, after not being able to defeat the Eradicator Superman realizes the only way to save Jason is to absolve Jason of his powers. In essence, destroy his Kryptonian DNA, by using the same devise that stripped Superman of his powers in Superman 2. Imagine Superman being left with that decision, in the meantime Lex is up to his old tricks and taking another step towards world domination while Superman is preoccupied with The Eradicator, plot yet to be determined.

*The chamber idea was actually brought forth by a another poster on the boards, DogOfKrypton.

[kal-el1990]

i would say braniac is grown from the crystals on NK but as they mix with the environment he grows with traces of kryptonite in him, or he followed superman back from krypton when he left.

[raybia]

Oh my, this guy read my mind:




Here we go again. After the disappointing "Superman Returns" hit theaters this summer and took months to eke its way across the $200-million mark in box-office receipts, Warner Bros. has cautiously announced that a second Bryan Singer-directed installment of the series is being developed for a 2009 release. In part because of its large budget (a debatable figure, but even the studio admits it was significantly more than $200 million), Warner expected bigger bucks and fans expected more bang. Still, Warner Bros. is showing loyalty to Singer by bringing him back to direct. Because Singer has been given another chance, the yet-to-be determined screenwriters should consider these helpful suggestions:

Ditch the Kid
Talk about backing yourself into a corner. Introducing the offspring of Lois and Clark forces the franchise to go in a direction that may be a little too "Sky High" let alone "Smallville: The Elementary Years." Send him off to private school or make his human blood diminish his Kryptonian powers until puberty, but do something. A series of movies about Superman as a dad can be summed up in two words: beyond boring.

Action! Action! Action!
Duh. Fans have fond memories of "Superman II" because of those flying battles with General Zod and his crew. It wasn't the Niagara Falls honeymoon sequence that they adored. Screenwriting in the 21st century has to be more creative than having Superman save a space shuttle from crashing, right?

Less Glamour, More Reality for Lois
Fans had concerns about Kate Bosworth being cast as Lois Lane, and although she wasn't awful, the chemistry between her and Brandon Routh was almost nonexistent. More importantly, her character had previously been given a well-rounded edge by Margot Kidder more than 25 years ago. Bosworth's picture-perfect ensembles never made you believe she was a beat reporter, let alone a Pulitzer Prize winner.

More Real Americans Please
From the Daily Planet newsroom to Metropolis street scenes, if one thing was glaringly missing from the latest "Superman," it was a sense that America was a multiracial society. And no, Kal Penn as one of Luthor's henchmen doesn't count ... especially because he didn't have one real line in the movie.

Allow Funny Actors to Be Funny
If Kevin Spacey's Lex Luthor had to be so evil to differentiate himself from Gene Hackman's charming portrayal, it's one thing, but to waste Parker Posey's comic talents by providing her only one funny line is a crime. Even Hugh Jackman's Wolverine got more laughs in Singer's "X-Men" movies.

Better Villains Are Key
Luthor is clearly Superman's arch nemesis, but repeating the land-grabbing premise from "Superman: The Movie" was beyond lame. Somehow, Singer needs to bring in more dangerous foes such as Brainiac and Doomsday to up the ante.

What would you like to see in the next "Superman" movie? Send your thoughts and comments to buzz@microsoft.com

[mathhater]

Damn, you juuuust beat me to this. Dagnabit...But still, I think they're 100% right. Hopefully Singer & crew will listen to stuff like this...but I bet they won't...

[raybia]

Damn, you juuuust beat me to this. Dagnabit...But still, I think they're 100% right. Hopefully Singer & crew will listen to stuff like this...but I bet they won't...


Sorry. :csad:

[TripXyDE]

SUPERMAN RETURNS was the one opportunity to tweak the Superman continuity to make it fit the current standards.....

like:

- Have Lex build a corporate semi-empire while Supes was away
- Have Lex dabbled into experiments that might lead to Parasite or Metallo
- Have characters like General Hardcastle, General Isling (Eiling?), and Amanda Waller be introduced so that when Supes Returns, at least some other people wouldnt like it
- Have Supes introduced to Dr. Emil Hamilton
- & eventually, tweak the Superman Mythos tweaked for the current standards...and not just people acting like stupid whenever Superman is around (Surely, SOME People hate him--or dont trust his intentions)

INSTEAD....Singer & team made things WORSE for Superman

- Lex is back as a lowlife thug who hatches a plan that is lame---AND u wud think, A GREATEST CRIMINAL MASTERMIND CAN ONLY THINK OF THAT DUMB of AN IDEA!
- The KID
- The Love Triangle with Cyclops..hehehe
- & EVERYBODY still acts STUPID whenever Superman is around, they all cheer him without hesitation (Superman lost consciousness...& u are bringing him to a HOSPITAL? If everybody in the entire friggin metropolis knows he cant be penetrated by bullets, what good is that syringe of yours?)

The SUPERMAN Franchise as we know it is BEYOND HELP not unless either A.Restart it or B. Ignore the existence of the child or the previous events or C. Make up a REALLY GOOD Storyline that will FIX the loopholes of SR

What, u might think, should be in that Storyline? I dunno...maybe kill the Kid, make Superman go crazy over it. That's one suggestion i read somewhere in this board. That Richard could hate Superman for it, blah blah... or have the KID transformed into Bizarro...Those ideas are pretty dark... but how else could u tweak a really twisted abomination of Superman as rendered by Singer & team with SR..?

I used to watch Angel & i was thinking of one of its storylines that could be applied to the Superman Case. Have the KID be kidnapped by one of Superman's Enemies (maybe Brainiac or Darkseid) ...transported into another dimension/or planet...i dunnoo...maybe Apokolips... (which does not conform with the time continuum of our world) & he comes back as already an adult & he comes back hating Superman. I know many of u hate ANGEL...but, it's just an idea that crossed my mind

[explode7]

An everytime the kid was around ANGEL he wanted to beat him since he was grown up by a vampire hunter. That stroyline will work nicely for SR2 however singer and his little friends would prob screw supes to a point where it is unfixable.

[Thot]

All of the above advice contained in the article is absolutely spot-on. Add to that a revamp of the lame Singerman suit and it's golden!

[Cosmic]

Maybe Superman Returns was all just a strange dream. He wakes up, and you start from scratch, with a new creative team.

[Jasomius]

SUPERMAN RETURNS was the one opportunity to tweak the Superman continuity to make it fit the current standards.....

like:

- Have Lex build a corporate semi-empire while Supes was away
- Have Lex dabbled into experiments that might lead to Parasite or Metallo
- Have characters like General Hardcastle, General Isling (Eiling?), and Amanda Waller be introduced so that when Supes Returns, at least some other people wouldnt like it
- Have Supes introduced to Dr. Emil Hamilton
- & eventually, tweak the Superman Mythos tweaked for the current standards...and not just people acting like stupid whenever Superman is around (Surely, SOME People hate him--or dont trust his intentions)

INSTEAD....Singer & team made things WORSE for Superman

- Lex is back as a lowlife thug who hatches a plan that is lame---AND u wud think, A GREATEST CRIMINAL MASTERMIND CAN ONLY THINK OF THAT DUMB of AN IDEA!
- The KID
- The Love Triangle with Cyclops..hehehe
- & EVERYBODY still acts STUPID whenever Superman is around, they all cheer him without hesitation (Superman lost consciousness...& u are bringing him to a HOSPITAL? If everybody in the entire friggin metropolis knows he cant be penetrated by bullets, what good is that syringe of yours?)

The SUPERMAN Franchise as we know it is BEYOND HELP not unless either A.Restart it or B. Ignore the existence of the child or the previous events or C. Make up a REALLY GOOD Storyline that will FIX the loopholes of SR

What, u might think, should be in that Storyline? I dunno...maybe kill the Kid, make Superman go crazy over it. That's one suggestion i read somewhere in this board. That Richard could hate Superman for it, blah blah... or have the KID transformed into Bizarro...Those ideas are pretty dark... but how else could u tweak a really twisted abomination of Superman as rendered by Singer & team with SR..?

Sounds like you're a post-crisis fan threatened by change. Aww, so SR isn't post-crisis Superman? Stop whining. Singer had as much right to use pre-crisis Supes as much as he did Post-Crisis. You can't say Singer is wrong for doing so.

And I don't really see what is wrong with the kid, other than he isn't in the comics, which is a crappy reason. I doubt you can give another reason, though.

[dar-El]

Singer ignored the past 20 years of history and made a film for himself which he had no right to do! We fans are the keepers of the myth. We buy the products and dont go see movies that are not true to the character. something film makers have forgotten. If singer continues to mess with what is so beloved it might just end his career as well as kill superman.

[Jasomius]

-edit-

[Jasomius]

Singer ignored the past 20 years of history and made a film for himself which he had no right to do! We fans are the keepers of the myth. We buy the products and dont go see movies that are not true to the character. something film makers have forgotten. If singer continues to mess with what is so beloved it might just end his career as well as kill superman.
OMG YOU'RE RIGHT! WE MUST ACT IMMEDIATELY!

SINGER MUST BE STOPPED PEOPLE!

:wow::wow::wow::wow::whatever:

[Excel]

pretty much agree.

[Freddy_Krueger]

Singer ignored the past 20 years of history and made a film for himself which he had no right to do! We fans are the keepers of the myth.

No, he incorporated the Superman mythos that inspired him personally--the original film and the George Reeves TV show. And the artist always has a right to make a film for himself. That's the whole point of filmmaking: making a film that satisfies the director. Sure, he might like it to make a lot of money and to be well liked by the fan base...but that's not his aim.

And keepers of the myth? Give me a break. I'm a big comic book fan myself, but I don't keep a myth. I keep a comic book. And it's not like fans universally agree with who Superman is anyway. Look at what's going on with fan reactions to the Action Comics run with Donner. You have half the fan base saying that what Superman does in that comic is in character and another half saying its out of character. Everyone has their own idea as to who Superman is--whether it be comic book fans, comic book writers, Paul Dini, Bruce Timm, Tim Burton, Christopher Reeve, Richard Donner, and yes...Bryan Singer.

He's not raping Superman. He brought his interpretation of who he thinks Superman is to the screen. You don't have to like it, but he sure as hell has every right to film his interpretation and not your own personal interpretation.

[Jasomius]

He's not raping Superman. He brought his interpretation of who he thinks Superman is to the screen. You don't have to like it, but he sure as hell has every right to film his interpretation and not your own personal interpretation.I'd like to see one of thse fans make their own movie and read the reactions he gets. Chances are his version of Superman would be considered 'wrong'.

[dar-El]

Hey im already working on the story and if i manage to get it done ill post it.

[dar-El]

By the way singers aim was to make money for the studio and he didnt do a good job of it. Superman can make far more than $390 mil if handled right.

[matthooper]

Even the people who liked the film have to agree on most of these points. This guy is spot on right.

Some of these changes will be made. More action, more creative story, but unfortunately, you can't make chemistry. Bosworth and Routh had none at all. Maybe just the fact that we will know them as Superman and Lois will be enough chemistry for the sequel.

[WhatsHisFace]

Just get Luthor away from idiots. No friggen camp. No Parker Posey.

[Jasomius]

Just get Luthor away from idiots. No friggen camp. No Parker Posey.There was no camp to Luthor in SR.

[matthooper]

Just get Luthor away from idiots. No friggen camp. No Parker Posey.

How about no Luthor at all.

Singer can't go back and fix him, he's already been established as the "character" he is, by Singer and Spacey. You can't un-ring a bell. But you can toss it away.

No Luthor.

[matthooper]

There was no camp to Luthor in SR.

True, because there was nothing at all.

[Jasomius]

How about no Luthor at all.

Singer can't go back and fix him, he's already been established as the "character" he is, by Singer and Spacey. You can't un-ring a bell. But you can toss it away.

No Luthor.Luthor is a staple of Superman, he needs to be there.

[matthooper]

Luthor is a staple of Superman, he needs to be there.

If he is a secondary villian, like in Superman 2, it might work. But why does he have to be in every movie? There are plenty of Superman villians that can work without Luthor.

[Jasomius]

If he is a secondary villian, like in Superman 2, it might work. But why does he have to be in every movie? There are plenty of Superman villians that can work without Luthor.Luthor is more than a villain-of-the-week, he doesn't necessarily have to team up with them all.

I can see him going against Braniac.

[matthooper]

Luthor is more than a villain-of-the-week, he doesn't necessarily have to team up with them all.

I can see him going against Braniac.


The fact is, I'm willing to give Singer another shot at this thing. Sure I was massively dissapointed, but there are things to build on. Routh was good and it's pretty apparent that we will see a super-villian.

I don't know what we'll get, but I don't think that Luthor is necessity.

[storyteller]

BRING BACK CLARK.
The best thing about superman in recent comics is the line between clark and superman. I like the clark is the real man and superman is what he can do. Gives him true humanity.

Fix the costume. I dont just mean colorwise or collarwise, i mean how its filmed. What i like about the spiderman costume is that its used. Singer could have just had half the suit made the way he filmed routh in the costume. Dont be afriad to flaunt it around.

Get of the donner trip. My problem with everyone thinking donner is god when it comes to superman is that donner got the shaft making his flippen movie. I liked the first movie but it had little foundation that probably would have found a temples worth had donner not been working with pricks of producers.
Times have changed. Theres a reason why cartoons are made the way they are.

[skruloos]

BRING BACK CLARK.
The best thing about superman in recent comics is the line between clark and superman. I like the clark is the real man and superman is what he can do. Gives him true humanity.
That's funny that you say that. Seems to me that the comics actually blur the line between Clark and Superman. They basically make Clark act much like Superman does except that he has glasses.

Also, it seemed to me that Singer brought much of this to SR. Clark on the farm is very human. Even when he is with Jimmy he acts depressed and out of it. He isn't just a caricature. He just happens to emphasize his awkwardness in Metropolis.

[The Overlord]

Luthor is a staple of Superman, he needs to be there.

Comic book Luthor, yes. Animated Luthor, yes. But Movie Lex has not established himself as a worthy villain, his poorly thought out and illogical evil schemes make him liability more then anything else. Seriously considering he has no resources, no allies and be wanted by the police after Superman reveals the backstory behind that NK thing, how is Lex supposed to pose a threat now or be a position to create some of the thug villains like Parasite, Bizzaro or Metallo. Movie Lex will need a major revamp before he can be seen as villain who can pose a contiuious threat.

[Jasomius]

Comic book Luthor, yes. Animated Luthor, yes. But Movie Lex has not established himself as a worthy villain, his poorly thought out and illogical evil schemes make him ability more then anything else. Seriously considering he has no resources, no allies and be wanted by the police after Superman reveals the backstory behind that NK thing, how is Lex supposed to pose a threat now or be a position to create some of the thug villains like Parasite, Bizzaro or Metallo. Movie Lex will need a major revamp before he can be seen as villain who can pose a contiuious threat.In your opinion, of course.

So how exactly are we going to improve on his character if you don't want him in the movie? Seems he has to actually be on screen to see an improvement...

[COMPO]

if they bring Lex back then they should have build an corporate empire, trash the land obsession and turn it into weapons. Have lex making a deal with the military for a weapons deal. It doesn't go well. Becasue there is no war. So lex has a HENCHMEN hack into a missile base from one counrty and america so that it blows a part each counrty starting a war and him making a deal to become the sole benefactor for them military.

[Jasomius]

if they bring Lex back then they should have build an corporate empire, trash the land obsession and turn it into weapons. Have lex making a deal with the military for a weapons deal. It doesn't go well. Becasue there is no war. So lex has a HENCHMEN hack into a missile base from one counrty and america so that it blows a part each counrty starting a war and him making a deal to become the sole benefactor for them military.But why should we dramatically change Lex's motivations? How would that benefit the story?

[COMPO]

because no one except Lois and Superman know it was lex that started the island thing. So they have no proof. And besides, that way he's closer to the comics. In the shadows. Plus, he's that old woman's money to start up his empire.

[Jasomius]

because no one except Lois and Superman know it was lex that started the island thing. So they have no proof. And besides, that way he's closer to the comics. In the shadows. Plus, he's that old woman's money to start up his empire.
So why would being closer to the comics make a better movie?

[The Overlord]

But why should we dramatically change Lex's motivations? How would that benefit the story?

Lex with his corporate empire would have a greater ability to cause damage to Superman and even create thug villains like Parasite and Metallo (those guys are good for fist fights, but they really can't hold their own movie.) That would justify Lex as a contiuing threat and having presence in all the movies. Movie Lex right now has no real resources and creates schemes that 5 year old would find flawed, I don't see how you can justify his contiued presence in the movies in his current state, he really doesn't present an ongoing threat.

[The Overlord]

In your opinion, of course.

So how exactly are we going to improve on his character if you don't want him in the movie? Seems he has to actually be on screen to see an improvement...

Your not paying attention, the only way I would want to see Lex on screen again is if they improve his character, so if they improve his character, I would be willing to to give Lex another chance, but as is, no, I don't see a reason for Lex's return.

[YJ1]

This franchise's only chance is to fire Routh and replace Singer. Since neither of those things are going to happen, keep your expectations very low.

[bunk]

I'm glad Singer had Luthor as the villain, that way I could see him just once on screen the way he was meant to be and not as a stupid clown. I wish Singer hadn't based him of the Donner version at all, than he'd be even better.

[Jasomius]

I'm glad Singer had Luthor as the villain, that way I could see him just once on screen the way he was meant to be and not as a stupid clown. I wish Singer hadn't based him of the Donner version at all, than he'd be even better.The Donner version is my favourite version of Lex Luthor, I want to see more of a Donner influence if anything.

I don't want him wearing wigs all the time though, but then neither did Donner.

[dar-El]

No kid, no superman leaving for five years and a better, brighter costume. Then maybe id give singers take a chance
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[TripXyDE]

Sounds like you're a post-crisis fan threatened by change. Aww, so SR isn't post-crisis Superman? Stop whining. Singer had as much right to use pre-crisis Supes as much as he did Post-Crisis. You can't say Singer is wrong for doing so.

And I don't really see what is wrong with the kid, other than he isn't in the comics, which is a crappy reason. I doubt you can give another reason, though.

the existence of THE KID would mess up the storyline into levels that would put the Superman franchise out of line. His existence would require storylines that would be very much outside the realm of what a Superman movie would be. it may be a daring direction... but Singer would be making a universe of his own making, in effect, violating the source material.

I don't really care if it's a Post-crisis or Pre-crisis Superman...
Singer was just plain awful in how he made SR.

who made you God of the boards to tell me to stop whining???... as far as i know, you're obviously just another SR-loving SingerVision fanboys who dont have a sensible stand of arguement to defend your beloved Superman Returns Chickflick... this is a FORUM...people have the right to WHINE here

I'd like to see one of thse fans make their own movie and read the reactions he gets. Chances are his version of Superman would be considered 'wrong'.

& that is your BIG argument? ....argue with something that is way out of consistency or something that does not exist. such a childish argument on the topic of criticism. what are you... twelve?

There was no camp to Luthor in SR.

oh...so the kryptonite island where he's supposed expect what remaining people would buy...paying him with seashells because all the banks in the US continent have sank down the ocean ---WAS NOT CAMP enough for you?

camp doesn't just mean that a character would be goofy like Schumacher's Bat-villains like Two-Face...Camp could mean how incredibly absurd his/her character is (that includes what he does in the movie)

In your opinion, of course.

So how exactly are we going to improve on his character if you don't want him in the movie? Seems he has to actually be on screen to see an improvement...

not only in The Overlord's opinion, but also in the opinion of MANY who can comprehend how lame Singer's SR was.

How exactly do we improve Luthor's character?
you see...this is what i am talking about..... you people who just let themselves blurt out their own sides of opinion without ever LISTENING to our side.....We HAVE LONG BEEN SUGGESTING THE IMPROVEMENTS that SHOULD be TAKEN........& it is only NOW that you ask THAT question?????

how newbie could you get?

The Donner version is my favourite version of Lex Luthor, I want to see more of a Donner influence if anything.

I don't want him wearing wigs all the time though, but then neither did Donner.

oh.... no wonder

tsk tsk

[raybia]

I agree with all of your comments. If there were no expectations and no source material other than the Donner movies then I would say that SR was good, not great, but good. However when continuing the rich source material especially the post crisis material, then SR sucks. Sorry, thats just the way I feel and the way I saw it.

And one more thing: The new Superman movie should have been a no-brainer because WB already had the PREFECT model on how to do the movie. The model is the one put together and used by Chris Nolan for BB.

WB should have know better. Most of this is their faults.

[bunk]

The more I think about the more I wish Singer had just restarted the franchize. As much as I don't want to see another origin movie, I would have liked to see it done differently too. Singer basically took the Donner movies and schackled them to his ankle, restricting his freedom to correct any mistakes made in the past. Luthor could still be the villain and would be much more formidable, rich, powerful ect. and maybe utilizing attack robots and what not that supes could smash. SR is basically the 3rd in a series and Supes relationship with Lois hasn't progressed, they're treading water, so Singer wouldn't lose anything there by starting fresh. He could have introduced a Metropolis police force for added antogonism, and started groundwork for the next villain. He could've also introduced S.T.A.R. labs which I'd love to see. By the time we get to a third movie we could even see Luthor as president, and I'd be open to a Lois and Clark marriage at that point(as long as he doesn't have long hair). I don't see Singer as the wrong director, just a director who took the wrong path.

[raybia]

The more I think about the more I wish Singer had just restarted the franchize. As much as I don't want to see another origin movie, I would have liked to see it done differently too. Singer basically took the Donner movies and schackled them to his ankle, restricting his freedom to correct any mistakes made in the past. Luthor could still be the villain and would be much more formidable, rich, powerful ect. and maybe utilizing attack robots and what not that supes could smash. SR is basically the 3rd in a series and Supes relationship with Lois hasn't progressed, they're treading water, so Singer wouldn't lose anything there by starting fresh. He could have introduced a Metropolis police force for added antogonism, and started groundwork for the next villain. He could've also introduced S.T.A.R. labs which I'd love to see. By the time we get to a third movie we could even see Luthor as president, and I'd be open to a Lois and Clark marriage at that point(as long as he doesn't have long hair). I don't see Singer as the wrong director, just a director who took the wrong path.

Well, WB could have restarted the franchise without doing a traditional origin story.

It could have opened up with Superman already in Metropolis and Clark already working for the Planet for about one year. Clark has no idea of his Kryptonian origins and merely assumes that he is a metahuman but still human.

Luthor could have been re-presented as a Corporate Mongul who was the #1 man in Metropolis before Superman's arrival but now has taken a big backseat to the Man of Steel.

Luthor motivation is either has Supes work for him or to get rid of him one way or another. Luthor's investigation into Superman leads him to discover his Kryptonian origin (and possibility a Kryptonian reminant in the form of Brainac) and once the public finds out there is mass Xenophobia towards Superman with himself now torn between his once assumed humanity and his newfound Kryptonian heritiage.

Like BB, this movie could have consisted of flashbacks but there was be no need to explain every detail about Superman's heritiage, at least not in the first movie. Have more info come out in the 2nd and maybe 3rd movie as well.

Also like BB, I think the new series should have been planned as a trilogy where each movie is somewhat connected especially with the the events of the 1st movie playing a significant role in the direction of the next two films.

WB and Singer took the easy way out that did not require any imagination and it shows.

[JBElliott]

Here's how to fix things: Pick a good Superman comic and make that into a movie. Pick a good story, use it, use the characters, use the costume. Ditch all the lame changes to costume, characters and so on. Go with what has worked for nigh on seventy years. Action Comics #775 would be a good start to remind people why Superman is the best of the best.

[raybia]

Here's how to fix things: Pick a good Superman comic and make that into a movie. Pick a good story, use it, use the characters, use the costume. Ditch all the lame changes to costume, characters and so on. Go with what has worked for nigh on seventy years. Action Comics #775 would be a good start to remind people why Superman is the best of the best.

I agree. My idea above is essentially from Bryne's Man of Steel and Superman: TAS.

[matthooper]

WB and Singer took the easy way out that did not require any imagination and it shows.

I just can't understand why more people don't recognize that point. The people who didn't like it usually talk about the kid, the suit, or some other minor point. The reason the movie was a failure in my opinion was purely from a creative standpoint. Absolutely no creativity on any level. There is not one moment, not one scene, not one line that rings imaginative.

The people who liked the film usually won't admit it, but if you got them on a lie detector, I bet they would admit that the film suffered from a lack of creativity. I'm not saying they don't actually like it, I'm saying if truth be told, even they would admit this.

The next film has to be creative and imaginative. It needs to be something we've never seen before. When we walk out of the theatre we have to be floored and in absolute awe. This is Superman for heavens sake.

[raybia]

I just can't understand why more people don't recognize that point. The people who didn't like it usually talk about the kid, the suit, or some other minor point. The reason the movie was a failure in my opinion was purely from a creative standpoint. Absolutely no creativity on any level. There is not one moment, not one scene, not one line that rings imaginative.

The people who liked the film usually won't admit it, but if you got them on a lie detector, I bet they would admit that the film suffered from a lack of creativity. I'm not saying they don't actually like it, I'm saying if truth be told, even they would admit this.

The next film has to be creative and imaginative. It needs to be something we've never seen before. When we walk out of the theatre we have to be floored and in absolute awe. This is Superman for heavens sake.


:heart:

[Octoberist]

I had a discussion with a bud about the Superman movies (including Superman returns), and Lex Luthor was a worthy villain..for the time.

In many ways, the 'real estate agent from hell' is an outdated concept, no matter how fun the role can be. Esp when the other comic book movies have more..visually interesting villains to content with.

Honestly, I felt that Lex is very overused. But if you're going to use him, use him right. So when Singer decided to not create the Lex along the lines of the modern comics or from the animated series, I was confused and saddened.

Sadden because i know that the fans will give Singer a hard time for it. And honestly, as fun as Spacey was, I was not threatened by him. His actions are a threat, but not his character no matter how hard they tried. At least, he was more intimidating than Mr. Hackman but by an inch.

SO a new villain is the way to go. And if Lex comes back, give him something to do.

[raybia]

I had a discussion with a bud about the Superman movies (including Superman returns), and Lex Luthor was a worthy villain..for the time.

In many ways, the 'real estate agent from hell' is an outdated concept, no matter how fun the role can be. Esp when the other comic book movies have more..visually interesting villains to content with.

Honestly, I felt that Lex is very overused. But if you're going to use him, use him right. So when Singer decided to not create the Lex along the lines of the modern comics or from the animated series, I was confused and saddened.

Sadden because i know that the fans will give Singer a hard time for it. And honestly, as fun as Spacey was, I was not threatened by him. His actions are a threat, but not his character no matter how hard they tried. At least, he was more intimidating than Mr. Hackman but by an inch.

SO a new villain is the way to go. And if Lex comes back, give him something to do.

My sentiments exactly. If Singer goes with Zod as the villian for the next, then I will officially consider SR and its sequel as remakes to Superman I and II.

I also look more foward to seeing Donner's cut of Superman II than any Superman sequel that Singer puts out.

[The Overlord]

The Donner version is my favourite version of Lex Luthor, I want to see more of a Donner influence if anything.

I don't want him wearing wigs all the time though, but then neither did Donner.

But what exactly is Lex supposed to do in a sequel? Movie Lex has no real scientific ability (he stole those nukes in the first movie and stole the alien tech in SR), no real planning ability (both of his plans were illogical and poorly thought out) and not a whole lot in the way of resources (he likely blew a lot of the old widow's money on the scheme in SR, plus he only had a few thugs to help him, how is he supposed to create thug villains like Parasite or Metallo?)

[I SEE SPIDEY]

BRING BACK CLARK.
The best thing about superman in recent comics is the line between clark and superman. I like the clark is the real man and superman is what he can do. Gives him true humanity.

Fix the costume. I dont just mean colorwise or collarwise, i mean how its filmed. What i like about the spiderman costume is that its used. Singer could have just had half the suit made the way he filmed routh in the costume. Dont be afriad to flaunt it around.

Get of the donner trip. My problem with everyone thinking donner is god when it comes to superman is that donner got the shaft making his flippen movie. I liked the first movie but it had little foundation that probably would have found a temples worth had donner not been working with pricks of producers.
Times have changed. Theres a reason why cartoons are made the way they are.People ofcourse have different interpitations of the character and I respect that, but I never really cared for the Clark Kent is the costume idea. I always liked to think of Superman as Clark (everyman) Kent with powers. I never liked that he hated being Clark, he is Clark IMHO. Sure he tones himself down to fit in and for that reason can never act exactly like himself but I see him as more of an everyman with superpowers, not some g-d.

[C. Lee]

The people who liked the film usually won't admit it, but if you got them on a lie detector, I bet they would admit that the film suffered from a lack of creativity. I'm not saying they don't actually like it, I'm saying if truth be told, even they would admit this.
Calling people who have an opinion different from yours "liars"...is a bit much.

Too many people on here have a problem admitting one important thing....different people have different opinions. A "fact" is an accountable, definable, proveable thing....an opinion is an opinion. Many subjectful things go into formulating an opinion....so don't call someone a liar if it differs from yours.

[raybia]

But what exactly is Lex supposed to do in a sequel? Movie Lex has no real scientific ability (he stole those nukes in the first movie and stole the alien tech in SR), no real planning ability (both of his plans were illogical and poorly thought out) and not a whole lot in the way of resources (he likely blew a lot of the old widow's money on the scheme in SR, plus he only had a few thugs to help him, how is he supposed to create thug villains like Parasite or Metallo?)

He walks up to them and says, "Hi, everybody! The name's Luthor, Lex Luthor. Possibly you've heard the name: the Greatest Criminal Mind Of All Time!

I can give you the Brass Ring, unlimited freedom to maim and kill and destroy! PLUS: Lex Luthor's keen mind, Lex Luthor's savvy, Lex Luthor's career guidance and give you the Son of Jor-El? Or maybe you know him better by the name he normally uses and travels under... Superman.

[matthooper]

Calling people who have an opinion different from yours "liars"...is a bit much.

Too many people on here have a problem admitting one important thing....different people have different opinions. A "fact" is an accountable, definable, proveable thing....an opinion is an opinion. Many subjectful things go into formulating an opinion....so don't call someone a liar if it differs from yours.


Your joking right? The post was in obviously in jest, and I used words like "I bet" and clearly said they were not lying that they like it. I think you have better things to do like manage spam, threats, and profanity than to mention my post that was obvioulsy a joke. I called no one a liar. I figured the part about a lie detector was reason enough for a child to see it was a joke.

[C. Lee]

Your joking right? The post was in obviously in jest, and I used words like "I bet" and clearly said they were not lying that they like it. I think you have better things to do like manage spam, threats, and profanity than to mention my post that was obvioulsy a joke. I called no one a liar. I figured the part about a lie detector was reason enough for a child to see it was a joke.
Nope...I wasn't joking. It wasn't obviously a jest either (read back through the last several years here....then get back with me).....I have heard many many things here.

99% of the work here is checking on complaints....and this was complained about.

[Showtime]

Nope...I wasn't joking. It wasn't obviously a jest either (read back through the last several years here....then get back with me).....I have heard many many things here.

99% of the work here is checking on complaints....and this was complained about.

Stop doing your job C. Lee! :cwink:

[matthooper]

Nope...I wasn't joking. It wasn't obviously a jest either (read back through the last several years here....then get back with me).....I have heard many many things here.

99% of the work here is checking on complaints....and this was complained about.

I feel sorry for the person who complained.

[JBElliott]

People ofcourse have different interpitations of the character and I respect that, but I never really cared for the Clark Kent is the costume idea. I always liked to think of Superman as Clark (everyman) Kent with powers. I never liked that he hated being Clark, he is Clark IMHO. Sure he tones himself down to fit in and for that reason can never act exactly like himself but I see him as more of an everyman with superpowers, not some g-d.

I agree. The character being Clark first and Superman only as Clark doing super stuff in the suit is what works best, in my opinion. The greatest thing about Clark/Superman isn't all his super powers, it's what he does with them, that's what really makes Clark a Superman. Clark is the person we all hope that we could be if we had all those powers. Making the character Clark first emphasizes this point and really brings the best about Clark/Superman home.

[C. Lee]

Stop doing your job C. Lee! :cwink:
I tried....but I couldn't chew through the chains.
I feel sorry for the person who complained.
Yeah...it's a shame when people want to be treated with dignity and respect instead of just taking insults and attacks about their opinions.

[The Overlord]

He walks up to them and says, "Hi, everybody! The name's Luthor, Lex Luthor. Possibly you've heard the name: the Greatest Criminal Mind Of All Time!

I can give you the Brass Ring, unlimited freedom to maim and kill and destroy! PLUS: Lex Luthor's keen mind, Lex Luthor's savvy, Lex Luthor's career guidance and give you the Son of Jor-El? Or maybe you know him better by the name he normally uses and travels under... Superman.

Parasite: And we need you because.....

Metallo: Seriously your last plan involved destroying North America and pissing off the rest world with a poorly thought out real estate scheme. George W. Bush is a better evil "genius" then you are.

[Eros]

Parasite: And we need you because.....

Metallo: Seriously your last plan involved destroying North America and pissing off the rest world with a poorly thought out real estate scheme. George W. Bush is a better evil "genius" then you are.

Luthor did nearly Kill superman, and found and stole technology from supermans hidden fotress.

[The Overlord]

Luthor did nearly Kill superman, and found and stole technology from supermans hidden fotress.

And Lex would have killed himself by an US army airstrike or someone who would buy land on NK just so he could kill Lex in his sleep. A real genius would have devised a plan to kill Superman that wouldn't get him killed shortly after. Is Lex stupid or does he just have a death wish? the only reason Lex stole tech from Superman's fortress is because Superman was too stupid to lock the door on his fotress while he was away for 5 years. I can hardly give Lex credit for profiting off Superman's stupidity.

[GREEN =w= DAY]

KILL JASON!!!! JASON MUST DIE!!!!! HAVE JASON GET RUN OVER BY A DAMN TRAIN OR CAR FILLED WITH KRYPTONITE!!! I DON'T CARE HOW HE DIES!!! AS LONG AS HE DIES!!!!! :cmad: :cmad:

[bosef982]

And Lex would have killed himself by an US army airstrike or someone who would buy land on NK just so he could kill Lex in his sleep. A real genius would have devised a plan to kill Superman that wouldn't get him killed shortly after. Is Lex stupid or does he just have a death wish? the only reason Lex stole tech from Superman's fortress is because Superman was too stupid to lock the door on his fotress while he was away for 5 years. I can hardly give Lex credit for profiting off Superman's stupidity.sdaf

Um...a real genius probably wouldn't kill anyone in the first place, unless they're psychotic, which by then all their genius goes out the window because its processed through a mind that cannot think clearly. Thus, in SR, Luthor -- whiel a genius -- is so twisted and insane that his blind hatred for Superman cripples his ability to make a resourceful plan.

However, I could still argue that New Krypton was still growing and eventually would've yielded the technology neccessary to defend himself.

[Cats]

Suggestions to fix Supes:

1. Do a prequel, then conveniently forget that Superman Returns ever, or will happen in the future.

2. Change the Lois casting to someone who has more chemistry with Routh. Superman is dedicated to only one woman, let us see what makes her so special!

3. No illegitimate babies, no pre-marital sex, no home-wrecking. This isn't an episode of Desperate Housewives. We don't need the unnecessary drama.

4. Give Routh more lines for goodness sake! He ought to be the focus of the movie, not Kevin Spacey and Parker Posey.

5. Have more scenes of Clark as a busy working reporter than Clark the dude who pretends to fumble with files, Clark the eavesdropper, or Clark the desktop day-dreamer.

6. Make Clark's parents (since it'll be a prequel) a bigger part of the whole story than just a laundry stop-over.

7. Restore Lex to an unsuspectable wealthy power behind Metropolis. It's the illusion of innocence that makes him a greater threat to Superman.

8. Proof read scripts at least 10x over by people who know Superman and had been following his comics for a considerable period to patch up loopholes, SR just had too many of 'em.

9. Have Singer stop pretending to be Donner, and Routh pretending to be Reeves. They have a chance to re-interpret the character for the 21st century - do it.

[The Overlord]

sdaf

Um...a real genius probably wouldn't kill anyone in the first place, unless they're psychotic, which by then all their genius goes out the window because its processed through a mind that cannot think clearly. Thus, in SR, Luthor -- whiel a genius -- is so twisted and insane that his blind hatred for Superman cripples his ability to make a resourceful plan.

However, I could still argue that New Krypton was still growing and eventually would've yielded the technology neccessary to defend himself.

You could argue that, but it would just be unproven speculation.

Making Lex psychotic makes him a bad Joker clone, only joker can come off as intelligent and psychotic. Post crisis Lex and STAS Lex are psychoapths not psychotics, thus they can use their genius and not create stupid plans that make no sense, that's what makes Lex threat to Superman. Seriously if Movie Lex cxan't even create a good plan, what would he do in a sequel?

[raybia]

Suggestions to fix Supes:

1. Do a prequel, then conveniently forget that Superman Returns ever, or will happen in the future.

2. Change the Lois casting to someone who has more chemistry with Routh. Superman is dedicated to only one woman, let us see what makes her so special!

3. No illegitimate babies, no pre-marital sex, no home-wrecking. This isn't an episode of Desperate Housewives. We don't need the unnecessary drama.

4. Give Routh more lines for goodness sake! He ought to be the focus of the movie, not Kevin Spacey and Parker Posey.

5. Have more scenes of Clark as a busy working reporter than Clark the dude who pretends to fumble with files, Clark the eavesdropper, or Clark the desktop day-dreamer.

6. Make Clark's parents (since it'll be a prequel) a bigger part of the whole story than just a laundry stop-over.

7. Restore Lex to an unsuspectable wealthy power behind Metropolis. It's the illusion of innocence that makes him a greater threat to Superman.

8. Proof read scripts at least 10x over by people who know Superman and had been following his comics for a considerable period to patch up loopholes, SR just had too many of 'em.

9. Have Singer stop pretending to be Donner, and Routh pretending to be Reeves. They have a chance to re-interpret the character for the 21st century - do it.

Good suggestions!

[The Kid]

I agree with all of your comments. If there were no expectations and no source material other than the Donner movies then I would say that SR was good, not great, but good. However when continuing the rich source material especially the post crisis material, then SR sucks. Sorry, thats just the way I feel and the way I saw it.

And one more thing: The new Superman movie should have been a no-brainer because WB already had the PREFECT model on how to do the movie. The model is the one put together and used by Chris Nolan for BB.

WB should have know better. Most of this is their faults.

I can't believe I'm saying this, Raybia, but I love you. :heart: Superdads is nothing really new and really I don't see any way out of the trap of the story focusing on the kid, his life, his confilct and losing superman to the background. Yes, I hate that kid incase you couldn't guess. This should have been the begins movie for superman. Not the begins movie for Jason Kent.

There's no hope left for a Superman Begins movie anymore thanks to Singer. So I'm done with him and his wacky idea to turn superman into the incredibles. :ninja:

[superbaby]

firstly, singer isn't good in doing action. asking him to do more action is useless.
secondly, he has poor creativity and vision. interesting plot & meaningful storyline are beyond his ability.
most importantly, he doesn't understand what superman is. SR is so artificial. everything is just on the surface and has no depth & no meaning. it is neither inspiring nor entertaining.

so, i'm expecting another lame job by singer in 2009. and thanks to WB.
too bad to superman.

[raybia]

I can't believe I'm saying this, Raybia, but I love you. :heart:

Aww! :meow: (In a platonic way, right?)


Superdads is nothing really new and really I don't see any way out of the trap of the story focusing on the kid, his life, his confilct and losing superman to the background. Yes, I hate that kid incase you couldn't guess. This should have been the begins movie for superman. Not the begins movie for Jason Kent.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Its really funny (peculiar) that right now DC is running a story about Superman finding a kid from Krypton and with much hoopla (They brought Donner on board). I have a bad feeling that this is a precusor to the next Superman movie and a move by DC (and of course WB) to make the kid more palatable to us core Superman fans.

There's no hope left for a Superman Begins movie anymore thanks to Singer. So I'm done with him and his wacky idea to turn superman into the incredibles. :ninja:

I am very very sad about the outcome of all this. Do you know how much I love the character and mythology of Batman and how much I absolutely love Batman?

Well multiply that love x 2 for the how I feel about Superman.

He was the first Superhero that I came to know as a kid and I read many of the original comics from each decade, watched the Reeves TV show, and virtually every verison on TV (live action, animation).

I was a TOTAL FANBOY WHEN IT CAME TO SUPERMAN and I loved Superman: The Movie.

However in spite of that love for the Donner movie, my loyality was always to the Character and the source material and that is where WB messed up. By getting a director who was loyal to Donner's vision instead of the vision that is contained in the 65+ years of source material.

This should have been a restart and now I have to agree, that all appears to be lost...at least for the forseeable future.

Superman deserved more that this (a mediocre movie) after all, he is the GRANDDADDY OF ALL SUPERHEROES. Its just not right. WB really let us down.

Who would have thought that Superman: TAS was the closest we as fans would ever get to a post-crisis Superman interpretation? Now I have to go out and buy the series.

[Octoberist]

I am very very sad about the outcome of all this. Do you know how much I love the character and mythology of Batman and how much I absolutely love Batman?

Well multiply that love x 2 for the how I feel about Superman.

He was the first Superhero that I came to know as a kid and I read many of the original comics from each decade, watched the Reeves TV show, and virtually every verison on TV (live action, animation).

I was a TOTAL FANBOY WHEN IT CAME TO SUPERMAN and I loved Superman: The Movie.

However in spite of that love for the Donner movie, my loyality was always to the Character and the source material and that is where WB messed up. By getting a director who was loyal to Donner's vision instead of the vision that is contained in the 65+ years of source material.

This should have been a restart and now I have to agree, that all appears to be lost...at least for the forseeable future.

Superman deserved more that this (a mediocre movie) after all, he is the GRANDDADDY OF ALL SUPERHEROES. Its just not right. WB really let us down.

Who would have thought that Superman: TAS was the closest we as fans would ever get to a post-crisis Superman interpretation? Now I have to go out and buy the series.

I don't now if WB screwed up. Honestly, Superman Returns created a paradox of sorts.

If you let a director have control, you'll end up having a classic like Batman Begins. If you let a studio have control, you'll have X3. Now, Superman Returns beat expectations, then it would fall into the first category. SInce it didn't, now it kinda ruined that argument, and from the looks of it, now WB is slowly trying to control Superman.

Which sucks.

I mean, why blame WB if they had faith in an established filmmaker like Singer? Everyone screws up in their career: Speilberg, David Lynch, and hell even David Fincher (Panic Room, Alien 3)

Was I a fan of Superman Returns? Not really. But I'm putting faith into Singer again. I'm fair.

On the other hand, the guy who made Ghost Rider...that's a different story..

[bunk]

Kill off Lois and have Richard and Clark raise Jason together. :cwink:

The only question is, who's gonna be the cool dad, and who's gonna be the staight laced no nonsense dad?

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3906/2dads2hw6.jpg

[raybia]

I don't now if WB screwed up. Honestly, Superman Returns created a paradox of sorts.

If you let a director have control, you'll end up having a classic like Batman Begins. If you let a studio have control, you'll have X3. Now, Superman Returns beat expectations, then it would fall into the first category. SInce it didn't, now it kinda ruined that argument, and from the looks of it, now WB is slowly trying to control Superman.

I disagree to some extent. WB letting a Nolan have control of BB isn't what made it a classic and a success, it was WB choosing to give total control to a director who had the correct vision in terms of the character and respect and understanding of the source material.

I think ten minutes listening to Singer's idea was enough to say sorry but that is not the direction we want to go with the new Superman franchise.

Giving a director total control is definitely the right thing to do...especially with this genre but you have to make sure you as a studio head agree with the vision and with the methodology of that director and realize there is a legion of fans that are very knowledge about the history of the character.

Did you know that Nolan consulted DC comics before he began writing, then brought on board Goyer, an Batman and comic expert to help him, and when the script was completed, he again consulted DC comics for them to critique the script to make sure it was worthy? WHY DIDN'T SINGER DO THIS? Did he think that Donner invented Superman?

Nolan went out of his way to make sure this movie respected both the source material however at the same time not being restricted by that same material.

WB should make that a required procedure for any director doing one of their comic book properties.

Which sucks.

I mean, why blame WB if they had faith in an established filmmaker like Singer? Everyone screws up in their career: Speilberg, David Lynch, and hell even David Fincher (Panic Room, Alien 3)

Was I a fan of Superman Returns? Not really. But I'm putting faith into Singer again. I'm fair.

On the other hand, the guy who made Ghost Rider...that's a different story..

David Fincher version of Alien 3 was not realized. The studio completely altered that movie.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Suggestions to fix Supes:

1. Do a prequel, then conveniently forget that Superman Returns ever, or will happen in the future.

2. Change the Lois casting to someone who has more chemistry with Routh. Superman is dedicated to only one woman, let us see what makes her so special!

3. No illegitimate babies, no pre-marital sex, no home-wrecking. This isn't an episode of Desperate Housewives. We don't need the unnecessary drama.

4. Give Routh more lines for goodness sake! He ought to be the focus of the movie, not Kevin Spacey and Parker Posey.

5. Have more scenes of Clark as a busy working reporter than Clark the dude who pretends to fumble with files, Clark the eavesdropper, or Clark the desktop day-dreamer.

6. Make Clark's parents (since it'll be a prequel) a bigger part of the whole story than just a laundry stop-over.

7. Restore Lex to an unsuspectable wealthy power behind Metropolis. It's the illusion of innocence that makes him a greater threat to Superman.

8. Proof read scripts at least 10x over by people who know Superman and had been following his comics for a considerable period to patch up loopholes, SR just had too many of 'em.

9. Have Singer stop pretending to be Donner, and Routh pretending to be Reeves. They have a chance to re-interpret the character for the 21st century - do it.Sounds good to me, except I would get rid of Singer, I just don't think that his style fits Superhero films.

[dude love]

As much as I loved Superman Returns, whoever rabayia stole that from is right.

[Binker]

This is what I wan to see in Singer's Superman II. Now I don't have anything for the villians. We know its Brainiac for one, but I have nothing to say about the villians....well let's say not yet. Its the other things I should point out. Here is what I want for Singer's SII:

- Lex Luthor should not be in the film AT ALL.

- The Return to Krypton sequence, cut from Superman Returns, should be seen as a dream sequence Clark has instead, as he is wondering if he should tell Lois the truth about him and Superman and thus be in Jason's life as he is the father.

- To continue the Lois/Richard/Jason/Superman thing: Clark must reveal to Lois that he is Superman. Now before that; I want Lois & Clark to be the best of friends and Lois more nicer to Clark and falling in love with him, after he reveals to her he is Superman. From that, Lois realizes she has to do the right thing. Which leads to the next thing: there should be a human scene at Richard & Lois' home where Lois & Clark (NOT Superman, although he should reveal that he is) reveal to Richard the truth that Jason is not his child but Superman's. At the end of this, Richard understands the whole thing and he decides to leave. Jason finds this out and....(well I got nothing but I think since his father is Superman, I doubt he would feel bad). Maybe Richard stays around as a family friend or soemthing so he is still around and this wouldn't lead to a "he might become a villian" idea.

- One thing is for sure: Jason MUST NOT DIE. Rchard....okay. But NOT Jason.

- Brainiac should appear as an AI (since that is what the computer in the Fortress was) with the evil part of it still sinking in as the film progesses. The appearence of Brainiac should be two phases. The first should be like a deformed Jor-El, with a scary human skull with machinary around it and with a digital-looking texture. And it should have the "three dots" on its head because that should be a sorta deformed machien version standing in for the "S" family chrest. The second phase should be in the third act (ot maybe the end of the second act) where he takes on a organic form using one of the aliens he comes across (during the time in space which means a ship sees New Krypton and New Krypton attacks it) and that alien would be a Coluan alien, and then appears as an alien android. I would say that the reason why New Krypton became Brainiac is because of the crystals that was dopped led to the kryptonian computer evolving into self-awareness

- And finally, the sequel should not end like X-Men 2 where it had a cliffhanging, set for a sequel, ending. The ending should be the end of the Richard/Jason/Clark-Superman/Lois thing where it's like what I'm seeing in the "Last Son" arc where its the "true" family of Clark, Lois & Jason.

That's it. I also have two seperate ideas for Sibger's SIII. But I'll wait before putting that up.

[<(o_o)>]

Maybe Superman & Lois could have Jason a little sister in the next movie.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

what if they find that the Human Krytonian DNA is unstable and so they need to use the red sun chamber to save Jason by makeing him human. this would make so good drama for lois and superman as they would need to get the crystals back from New Krypton and lois would have to tell richard about jason.

this would be the reason that he would have to be a human to be with lois.

[hk_spyke]

This is what I wan to see in Singer's Superman II. Now I don't have anything for the villians. We know its Brainiac for one, but I have nothing to say about the villians....well let's say not yet. Its the other things I should point out. Here is what I want for Singer's SII:

- Lex Luthor should not be in the film AT ALL.

- The Return to Krypton sequence, cut from Superman Returns, should be seen as a dream sequence Clark has instead, as he is wondering if he should tell Lois the truth about him and Superman and thus be in Jason's life as he is the father.

- To continue the Lois/Richard/Jason/Superman thing: Clark must reveal to Lois that he is Superman. Now before that; I want Lois & Clark to be the best of friends and Lois more nicer to Clark and falling in love with him, after he reveals to her he is Superman. From that, Lois realizes she has to do the right thing. Which leads to the next thing: there should be a human scene at Richard & Lois' home where Lois & Clark (NOT Superman, although he should reveal that he is) reveal to Richard the truth that Jason is not his child but Superman's. At the end of this, Richard understands the whole thing and he decides to leave. Jason finds this out and....(well I got nothing but I think since his father is Superman, I doubt he would feel bad). Maybe Richard stays around as a family friend or soemthing so he is still around and this wouldn't lead to a "he might become a villian" idea.

- One thing is for sure: Jason MUST NOT DIE. Rchard....okay. But NOT Jason.

- Brainiac should appear as an AI (since that is what the computer in the Fortress was) with the evil part of it still sinking in as the film progesses. The appearence of Brainiac should be two phases. The first should be like a deformed Jor-El, with a scary human skull with machinary around it and with a digital-looking texture. And it should have the "three dots" on its head because that should be a sorta deformed machien version standing in for the "S" family chrest. The second phase should be in the third act (ot maybe the end of the second act) where he takes on a organic form using one of the aliens he comes across (during the time in space which means a ship sees New Krypton and New Krypton attacks it) and that alien would be a Coluan alien, and then appears as an alien android. I would say that the reason why New Krypton became Brainiac is because of the crystals that was dopped led to the kryptonian computer evolving into self-awareness

- And finally, the sequel should not end like X-Men 2 where it had a cliffhanging, set for a sequel, ending. The ending should be the end of the Richard/Jason/Clark-Superman/Lois thing where it's like what I'm seeing in the "Last Son" arc where its the "true" family of Clark, Lois & Jason.

That's it. I also have two seperate ideas for Sibger's SIII. But I'll wait before putting that up.


i like it all but the no lex thing. it's not that lex should not be in the movies but the whole story should not be about him as the villain. but having him as a minor villain i think would be fine. and IMO Kevin Spacey's Lex Luthor was way better in this movie then the others. Lex works better if he's dark with a little humor not full blown jokes all the time. Michael Rosenbaum as Lex in Smallvile kicks ass. IMO

[Cell]

- To continue the Lois/Richard/Jason/Superman thing: Clark must reveal to Lois that he is Superman. Now before that; I want Lois & Clark to be the best of friends and Lois more nicer to Clark and falling in love with him, after he reveals to her he is Superman. From that, Lois realizes she has to do the right thing. Which leads to the next thing: there should be a human scene at Richard & Lois' home where Lois & Clark (NOT Superman, although he should reveal that he is) reveal to Richard the truth that Jason is not his child but Superman's. At the end of this, Richard understands the whole thing and he decides to leave. Jason finds this out and....(well I got nothing but I think since his father is Superman, I doubt he would feel bad). Maybe Richard stays around as a family friend or soemthing so he is still around and this wouldn't lead to a "he might become a villian" idea.


This here has to be one of the most important aspects of the story unfortunately, Singer has to be especially careful how he moves forward with this, it simply needs to be resolved somehow. I thought Richard White's character could theoretically work for me if he were more of a parallel to Jonathan Kent as a great foster parent, but from my perspective that necessitates Richard knowing from the beginning that Jason is not his own son, even if Lois doesn't know that he knows. There was a prime opportunity during the kitchen scene in SR to accomplish this, but that's less about a sequel and more about being a revisionist. Not sure myself how to approach it...

[GreenKToo]

pretty sure Lex will be in it..prolly Brainiac as well,and I have always thought he would form from the crystals dropped on N.K....

[bunk]

Killing off Jason or Richard is really taking the easy way. I don't know how Singer can keep them both alive with their character intact and still resolve everything. He'll probably just kill off Richard.

[Binker]

The reason why I said no Lex was because he doesn't have to be in ALL the Superman movies. We should at least take a movie break of him. I don't want it to be like the X-Mern movies where it was Magneto for ALL THREE FILMS.

And I thank you for not disagreeing on my NO KILLING JASON/RICHARD policy. If thery did that, then that would be an easy way out on this situation. Plus if you take the more logic viewpoint; if they did kill off Jason & Richard, do you really think Lois & Superman would be together by the film's end? No. Lois would be sad at the end and it wouldn't be right for her to be with Superman even those deaths like her son.

What I said, would be for the best.

[Cell]

The reason why I said no Lex was because he doesn't have to be in ALL the Superman movies. We should at least take a movie break of him. I don't want it to be like the X-Mern movies where it was Magneto for ALL THREE FILMS.

And I thank you for not disagreeing on my NO KILLING JASON/RICHARD policy. If thery did that, then that would be an easy way out on this situation. Plus if you take the more logic viewpoint; if they did kill off Jason & Richard, do you really think Lois & Superman would be together by the film's end? No. Lois would be sad at the end and it wouldn't be right for her to be with Superman even those deaths like her son.

What I said, would be for the best.

Yep, that being said, I wonder if it was right for her to sleep with Richard in such close proximity to the time she must have slept with Superman, such that it would even be feasible for Richard to think he had a son with Lois out of wedlock. Whatever Singer does with this triangle he's created, I think the matter of the how and the why he left Earth in the first place should probably be touched upon in the sequel, reinforced or explained in some detail. The dream sequence you suggested could be a foil for that sort of thing.

[Brainiac 2009]

Singer is not reading SHH, get real.

No one is.

[Cell]

No one is.

Yep, no one at all.

[bunk]

Singer could have Supes faced with another situation of leaving to pursue something or stay and protect Earth. Maybe the villain, Brainiac or whoever, would try to lure Supes away with false hope of Krypton survivors to take over Earth. It would be a good opportunity for him to examine the choices he's made in the past. He'd of course make the right decision and stay this time but not before fooling Brainiac and the audience into thinking he left.

[halfapple]

Maybe Superman & Lois could have Jason a little sister in the next movie.


.....or perhaps Jason has a "Twin" brother that Lois has not mentioned anything about!

Maybe Lois has that twin brother of Jason's hidden somewhere secrete away from society because he is evil (hahah)

Then Superman discovers that he has TWO son's not just one!

One good and the other evil - LOL.

(NO I do not wish for this to happen)

Its just that you never know what those writers will throw at us - haha.

[bigtizzle]

.....or perhaps Jason has a "Twin" brother that Lois has not mentioned anything about!

Maybe Lois has that twin brother of Jason's hidden somewhere secrete away from society because he is evil (hahah)

Then Superman discovers that he has TWO son's not just one!

One good and the other evil - LOL.

(NO I do not wish for this to happen)

Its just that you never know what those writers will throw at us - haha.

So from the Jesus references to a Caine and Abel type deal? I'm sure people would embrace that firmly :cwink:

(P.S. My spelling of "Caine" was an intentional nod to Michael Caine because he was so rad in Jaws: The Revenge.)

[Johnny DC]

I say make Richard into Braniac and don't tell Jason that Superman is his father. How can Superman defeat the man that his son believes to be his father?

[Excel]

open in metropolis to see images of the city through a camera lense with lois's familiar voice providing a voiceover. it is all about superman's latest heroic, stopping a hurricane from destroying metropolis (complete with footage of superman flying around in it really fast). Now we see we're at the Metropolis pier and Clark also there, helping Jimmy hold the camera equipment. Anyways they go to leave, when from across town, gunfire goes off. Cut to Metropolis National Bank-a enormous bank in the heart of gotham. its been robbed. The crooks have stolen an armored car and have left, smashing through police and their now in a chase. Also, they hav eleft in a helicopter too, and are getting away! Clark excuses himself, and says hell meet them when he gets back and runs off. Lois and Jimmy head for the subway. Superman shows up and freezes the helicopter in a block of ice between two sky scrappers. He then melts the armored cars tire wheels and it thunders into a building, causing a huge COKE COLA bbillboard to shudder before crashing down, a lone 4 year old left unprotected! Superman swoops down and saves the boy, handing him over to the police. Suddenly screams ring out-across the park is a roaring fire! Superman flys over and rescues from the inside, but the building topples over, smashing into the river and crushing the monorail trakcs that go across the river! Then we see Lois and Jimmys car is headed for it! They all scream and the conductor slams on the brak but it roars off-suddenly its caught-supermans got them!

In the aftermath, Superman and Lois talk on the waters edge. its only around 3 p.m., the suns bright out and in full effect. Appearnetly Lois and Superman have not seen a whole lot of eachother, and feel they should see eachother more often before Richard arrives. Lois turns around and Supermans gone. She turns around again, and theres clark. It isnt long before Lois and Richard get into a fight over Jason, causing awkward look exchanges between clark and jimmy.

cut to outer space, to brainiacs skull ship.

to be continued!

[DvilDog]

So far I can dig it for the most part.

[Dope Nose]

The crooks have stolen an armored car and have left, smashing through police and their now in a chase. Also, they hav eleft in a helicopter too, and are getting away! Clark excuses himself, and says hell meet them when he gets back and runs off. Lois and Jimmy head for the subway. Superman shows up and freezes the helicopter in a block of ice between two sky scrappers.

wow. what an obvious ripoff of the original Spider-man trailer. also, block of ice? I don't think he's able to form geometric shapes with his breath. why would he even bother to suspend it between two buildings? and why would the crooks escape in both a helicopter AND an armored car?

[Excel]

haha no

[bunk]

I want to see Supes doing more super fast. I don't care if he's putting a freaking puzzle together.

[Excel]

brainac and his henchman, havoc, have discovered new krypton and determine it came from earth. they begin their descent in search of kal-el. fadethrough metropolis round 9 p.m. to se elois at the daily planet writing. clark's there. they chat, lois saying how she wishes she saw more of superman. moments later clarks gone, supermans at the window. he flies lois up to the roof, where they chat and catch up. Lois is sorry for giving supes the cold shoulder for a while. They agree to talk more often. Lois comments how the sky loks beatiful, and superman flies her up to see it. they land, and the lines go:

LOIS
I have to go back now....

SUPERMAN
Will I see more of you? I do miss you, lois.

LOIS
Is it true that you never tell a lie?

SUPERMAN
never.

Lois KISSES superman-they begin to kiss, before it breaks. Superman smiles, and we fade out, and fade into a massive island prison during a storm. we meet lex luthor in prison. he does a funny little escape and hes smuggled off the island, and picked up by a private plane. Hes escaped from jail. Next day at the daily planet, Lois is almost in almost in a daze, like she just met superman for the very first time. Meet up with lex who arrives in a warehouse, and we see hes got his men at work-they have tvs set up f a private plane.

cut to metropolis airport and see kitty koslowski is getting on a private plane. it takes off. we see the pilot drink some water. clark and lois talk some more, with jimmy jokes. cut to lex, who says "it should happen any minute". cut to the plane-the pilot passes out. the plane begins gluiding stedily downward. kitty notices. opens the pilots door-sees him passed out-screams! Clark at the planet hears it. Through the windshield, we see the plane break the clouds-it cruising downwards directly over metropolis river, heading for the huge suspension bridge. kitty shoves him out of the way but doesnt know what to do. she pulls up on the wheel but she cant out muscle an airplane- she rockets downbwards straight for the bridge-cut to the planet. clark enters the staircase, rips open shirt. back to lex, hes getting excited. the planes almost to the bridge-kitty shoves down-the plane nose dives, missing the bridge but is rocketing into the water-superman catchesit, lifts it-lex expected it. "right on que" he says and presses a button-we see a small canister on the belly of the plne-boom! the canister explodes, the planes fine, but ti shoots kryptonite into the air. superman falls as the plane sidewhindes into the city, going down over metropolis avenue, heading for the square! lois at the planet hears commotion-sees the plane comming through a window-richard spots it to! they run out-superman gathers himself, bullets after it-pull sup alongside it-kityt screams "help me superman!" and superman yells "hang on!" he falls back, he grabs the wing-it explodes-he falls back-the plane spins, tralis of smoking clouding the canyons of metropolis! kitty screams, amost to th eground. the other wing explodes-superman melts it and flys through it and under the plane, catches it in a dive feet above the ground, spots another bomb-hurls out to sea- swooshes it up in to the air and finally sets the plane down before a crowd in the middle of metropolis square. lois is there and makes eye contact with superman. lex is pissed. jason sees superman, too. richard thanks superman, and guides him away from the swirling press. the 2 are friends. its covered on tv.
Meanwhile, catch up with brainiac and havoc. we see their skull ship sitting queitly in the middle of the sahara under the bright sun. their crusing in a land rover hover craft. havoc drives as brainiac sits. their heading towards the kryptonite. lex is enraged, and quickly leaves when word spreads forces are heading that way. we see hes in washington d.c. Back to Metropolis, lois and richard are getting ready for a large event the following night. lois is interviwing the president atop the ritz metropolis's new balcony level, but theres an argument over what to do with jason. clark agrees to watch him, while jason plays with his superman toy which richard pulls away. hes jealous. richard leaves, he hs a trip to newark till tomorrow afternoon.

[Dope Nose]

he falls back, he grabs the wing-it explodes-he falls back-the plane spins, tralis of smoking clouding the canyons of metropolis! kitty screams, amost to th eground. the other wing explodes-superman melts it and flys through it and under the plane, catches it in a dive feet above the ground,

and now you're ripping off the first episode of Superman:TAS and Superman Returns.

[Excel]

never seen the tas...and it plays out mad different then superman returns

[Binker]

I just wanted to say that the Lois/Richard/Superman/Clark/Jason thing: if anything, what I want for those characters is what I REALLY want. The rest is sorta like "in the air".

Its what I want for those characters to happen in the sequel.

[Lucidious]

I think Richard knows that Jason is not his child but doesn't know that Superman is the father. I think when Superman and Clark left, and when Richard joined the Daily Planet, Lois had already had the baby. She started a relationship with Richard and soon Richard legally adopted Jason.

I don't think Richard will just leave after finding out. He will probably be killed, probably protecting his adopted son- Jason could be in danger, since Lex knows that Jason is Superman's son now, so Jason is Superman's vulnerability.

[Mr. Superhero]

OPENING CREDITS

EXT.
A helicopter wanders over a deserted island. A dark-haired woman is visible on the island.

PILOT
There appears to be a stranded person
on that island - looks like a female. I'm
going to pick her up. God knows how long
she's been stranded down there.

The woman begins to slap rapidly at the helicopter.

KITTY
Hey! Down here!

The helicopter slowly begins to land.

KITTY
Oh, thankgod! Thankyou, god!

The helicopter successfully lands. The pilot exits the chopper.

PILOT
What are you doing down here, lady?

KITTY
I - we - our plane ran out of fuel.

PILOT
"our"? Who else is here?

Lex Luthor appears from a bush. He is walking rather stiffly.

LEX
That's the first crap I've had in a week ...
a week!

Lex looks up to see the pilot.

PILOT
Lex Luthor?

LEX
Hello?

CUT TO:
Lex and Kitty sat inside the back of the helicopter.

KITTY
Yeah, I wonder why you needed to crap.

LEX
Not now, Kitty. It was just a stupid, worthless
dog. I'll get you a new one.

Kitty sobs.

KITTY
I still can't believe you eat my dog!

Lex mumbles. The helicopter drifts off into the sunset.

[Katsuro]

The only thing i'm gonna bother mentioning is that planes cant land or take off on tiny islands.

The rest, well... i'm just gonna assume you were joking.

[Mr. Superhero]

Hm...silly mistake, I'll change the plane to a chopper.

And no, I was being deadly serious. Is there a problem?

[GreenKToo]

well,eh...I dont think people care about hearing/seeing that lex is relieved about taking a crap..

[Mr. Superhero]

I'm basically trying to add some humour to the film... you know, try and spice things up a bit? Anyway - MUST. TRY. HARDER.

[NewYorkSpider]

I would have had Kitty distract the pilot and Lex comes out and kills him or knocks him out.

[I Am The Knight]

well,eh...I dont think people care about hearing/seeing that lex is relieved about taking a crap..

I second that. :woot:

[Mr. Superhero]

Ah, lighten up people.

EXT. OUTSIDE DAILY PLANET
A woman stomps into the entrance of the Daily Planet. Behind her, is a man carrying some bags. The camera moves upwards. Clark Kent appears, looking rather unsure and nervous. Ahead of him is Lois, approaching the lift.

She enters the lift. Her hand pushes against the button, she waits for Clark to enter. She finally presses the button - the doors close. The sound of the music makes the uneasy silence less tense for Clark.

CLARK
So, looking forward to work?

Lois grudgingly turns to Clark.

LOIS
Yeah.

Clark forces a smile. The lift doors open. The offices and the sound of phone calls transpire in front of them. They exit the lift.

Clark puts the bags beside Lois' desk. He wanders where Lois has gone - he checks the room, using his x-ray vision to look through a few offices as he exercises his eyes around the room. Eventually, he notices that she has already made her way to Perry's office.

Someone taps Clark on the shoulder. The hunched Clark turns around to see Jimmy smiling. He is holding some papers.

JIMMY
Hey, Clark. Do you think you could type
these documents up for me?

Clark recieves the papers. He checks them - the handwriting is almost unreadable.

JIMMY
My handwriting's appaling.

Jimmy laughs nervously whilst Clark's eyebrows raise.

CLARK
I'll ... give it a go.

Jimmy pats Clark on the shoulder.

JIMMY
Thanks. Perry says you could type a
whole newspaper inside five minutes,
so ... yeah, just give it a go.

[I Am The Knight]

Ah, lighten up people.

EXT. OUTSIDE DAILY PLANET
A woman stomps into the entrance of the Daily Planet. Behind her, is a man carrying some bags. The camera moves upwards. Clark Kent appears, looking rather unsure and nervous. Ahead of him is Lois, approaching the lift.

She enters the lift. Her hand pushes against the button, she waits for Clark to enter. She finally presses the button - the doors close. The sound of the music makes the uneasy silence less tense for Clark.

CLARK
So, looking forward to work?

Lois grudgingly turns to Clark.

LOIS
Yeah.

Clark forces a smile. The lift doors open. The offices and the sound of phone calls transpire in front of them. They exit the lift.

Clark puts the bags beside Lois' desk. He wanders where Lois has gone - he checks the room, using his x-ray vision to look through a few offices as he exercises his eyes around the room. Eventually, he notices that she has already made her way to Perry's office.

Someone taps Clark on the shoulder. The hunched Clark turns around to see Jimmy smiling. He is holding some papers.

JIMMY
Hey, Clark. Do you think you could type
these documents up for me?

Clark recieves the papers. He checks them - the handwriting is almost unreadable.

JIMMY
My handwriting's appaling.

Jimmy laughs nervously whilst Clark's eyebrows raise.

CLARK
I'll ... give it a go.

Jimmy pats Clark on the shoulder.

JIMMY
Thanks. Perry says you could type a
whole newspaper inside five minutes,
so ... yeah, just give it a go.

This was much better than the stuff you first wrote. Keep it up. :yay:

[Mr. Superhero]

EXT. HELICOPTER

The helicopter wanders over outskirts of Metropolis.

LEX
Hey, where are you going?

PILOT
I'm going to the Police Department -
you're a wanted man.

Lex's face turns to stone.

LEX (low tone)
Excuse me?

PILOT
I'm sorry - I'm just doing my duty.
If you're lucky, they won't charge
you because - Whoa!

Lex pushes against the steering wheel. Kitty panics and tries to restrain Lex.

KITTY
Lex! Stop!

The helicopter takes rapid turns and it squeels in midair.

KITTY
You're going to get us all killed!

The Pilot and Lex try to grasp the steering wheel. Suddenly, Lex eyes a crow bar near the back of the Chopper. He stops fighting for the wheel.

PILOT
My god, what are you thinking?

LEX
I know ... I'm sorry ...

Lex picks up the crow bar.

KITTY (whispers)
Lex?

Lex's eyes are fixed on the Pilot who is glancing at Lex every so often.

PILOT
I'm still turning you in~

Lex hits the Pilot on the head with the crow bar. The chopper begins to drift downwards, heading for a road in Metropolis. Lex shifts the body, and takes full control of the helicopter.

KITTY
You better do something quick, Lex.

Kitty looks out of the window to see the helicopter falling towards a Metropolis road.

Lex concentrates on the wheel. He clicks a few gadgets, and the helicopter suddenly shoots upwards and into the air.

Lex laughs triumphantly.

LEX
Next stop ... Lexcorp Labs.

The helcopter drifts off into the distance.

[Mr. Superhero]

EXT. DAILY PLANET OFFICES

Clark stands beside his desk with his hand in his pockets. Richard, Lois' current lover, sits at his desk staring at Clark curiously.

The brown-haired man soon approached.

RICHARD
Good morning.

CLARK
Morning.

RICHARD
Have you noticed anything different
about Lois lately?

Clark's eyes narrow as they both look into Perry's office where Lois is located.

RICHARD
She's been acting kinda strange. Everytime
I mention Jason, or work, or Superman,
she gets all defensive. You haven't noticed?

CLARK
No ... not really.

RICHARD
Ah well, see ya' around. And speak to Lois,
try to find out whats bothering her.

Clark smiles unenthusiastically. Richard returns to his desk.

Lois exits Perry's office. She brushes past Clark and hurries over to her desk.

CLARK
So, Lois ...

Lois continues to search through some files.

CLARK
How's Jason?

Lois impatiently turns her head to Clark.

LOIS
He's fine, Clark. Maybe we can catch up
on things later?

CLARK
Sure, sure ... No problem.

Clark slowly turns his body away from Lois, leaving her to scurry through her files. He looks around the room to see Jimmy waving. He does a typing gesture. Clark smiles clumsily, remembering the documents he has to type up. He waves a hand at Jimmy apologetically.

Clark sits, reading the documents. His facial expression says it all - he cannot read a word of the handwriting. He sits and thinks for a few moments, measuring his thoughts. He stands up once more to see Jimmy looking around the room. Clark begins to wave at Jimmy who is not yet looking. Eventually, Jimmy notices Clark, and smiles. Clark's waving hand looses it's rhythm.

Jimmy walks over.

JIMMY
What's up?

CLARK
Well, it's difficult to read the ...

Clark and Jimmy look at the documents.

CLARK
The handwriting. Can you yourself even
read this?

Jimmy puts his hand onto his chin, considering the handwriting.

JIMMY
Erm ...

Jimmy takes the papers.

JIMMY
Thanks anyway, Clark.

EXT.
Lex Luthor sits, with his head in his hands, inside a large complex room. Kitty stands on a stool searching through a book-shelf.

LEX
He destroyed my dream again ...
again! I'm running out of ideas,
Kitty and soon we're going to be
broke! Hey, have you found anything?

KITTY
No.

LEX
Well, c'mon, find something! I need
something inventive ... something
irregular ... something which will take
that scumbag by surprise.

Kitty notices a book named Evolutionary Upper-Class Science. She picks it out.

Kitty walks over to Lex and plants the book on the desk in front of him. He reads the cover.

LEX
Evolutionary Upper-Class Science.

Lex reads through the first thew pages. He then looks up at Kitty.

LEX
What is this?

KITTY
You asked me to find you a book.

LEX
Yes, a book which can help me kill
Superman - not a book which tells
me about upper-class Science!

Lex flicks through the pages. One page takes his eye. His head lowers so he can read the text. The title is called Duplicating Rays.

Lex reads a paragraph.

LEX
Kitty ...

Kitty is now filing her nails beside a desk.

KITTY
What, Lex?

LEX
Have I ever told you that I love
you?

KITTY
No.

LEX
Well, it's your lucky day. I love
you.

KITTY
Have you found something?

LEX
Possibly. Have you ever heard
of a duplicating ray?

Lex grins.

[Josh Bond]

I know alot of you will hate this idea, but I think there should be a prequel to Superman Returns. I know SR was supposed to be set after superman 1 and 2, but I think this would work way better.
You could have the 1st 45 minutes or so being about Krypton, and Jor-El tracking down and capturing Zod, and maybe even Jax-Ur. I would really like to see Zod being responsible for the destruction of Krypton, and maybe explain that Argo City was intensionally undestroyed so that Zod would survie. This could also setup for Supergirl in a sequel.
What do you all think?

[PenanceStare]

Well that would through off the whole Marlon Brando thing if you have a new flick with a new Jor-El, if they would've done that, they may as well should have done a restart in the first place.

[NewYorkSpider]

That would be a stupid idea.

[Josh Bond]

That would be a stupid idea.

I disagree. I think it would be really cool, and it was Bryan Singer who mucked it all up when he did a sequel that left ou 3 and 4. I know alot of people didn't like the films, but he should've just started new.

[PenanceStare]

Yeah, he should've. But at this point, it makes no sense to go back.

[Brainiac 2009]

They should just do something like an Animated series or animated shorts about SR's origin to tie with the next film.

It's not worth redoing it as it is similar to Donner's history from Superman I with only some minor differences.

[NewYorkSpider]

I disagree. I think it would be really cool, and it was Bryan Singer who mucked it all up when he did a sequel that left ou 3 and 4. I know alot of people didn't like the films, but he should've just started new.


The idea is ok, just not in a movie. I think you need to go with an animated series.

[Josh Bond]

hmm, maybe a movie isn't the best idea, but I don't think many people would watch the animated series. What about a live actio tv series? Do you think that would work?

[NewYorkSpider]

It's tough to say if it would work. If it doesn't have Superman in it, it won't be very popular. Smallville dealt with his path of becoming the man of steel. I don't even think that a tv series could pull it off.

[storm-x-fan]

I disagree. I think it would be really cool, and it was Bryan Singer who mucked it all up when he did a sequel that left ou 3 and 4. I know alot of people didn't like the films, but he should've just started new.

Bryan Singer mucks up everything!! :cmad:

Yeah, he should've. But at this point, it makes no sense to go back.

I agree!! :hyper:

I know alot of you will hate this idea, but I think there should be a prequel to Superman Returns. I know SR was supposed to be set after superman 1 and 2, but I think this would work way better.
You could have the 1st 45 minutes or so being about Krypton, and Jor-El tracking down and capturing Zod, and maybe even Jax-Ur. I would really like to see Zod being responsible for the destruction of Krypton, and maybe explain that Argo City was intensionally undestroyed so that Zod would survie. This could also setup for Supergirl in a sequel.
What do you all think?

Um, where's superman in this prequel (whats a prequel??) ?? A superman movie without supermna would suck!! :o

[Josh Bond]

of course it would have superman in the prequel! How could you not know what a prequle means? i just mean a superman movie to replace superman 1 and 2 so that it would make more sense with returns.

[storm-x-fan]

^^ oh sorry!! but u didnt mention bout suoerman being in the prequel. n i donno wat a prequel means b/c english is not my language!!

[storm-x-fan]

of course it would have superman in the prequel! How could you not know what a prequle means? i just mean a superman movie to replace superman 1 and 2 so that it would make more sense with returns.


And I though you said that after watching superman 1 and 2 superman returns amde sense.......... :huh: make up your mind. :o

[Jochimus]

I know alot of you will hate this idea, but I think there should be a prequel to Superman Returns. I know SR was supposed to be set after superman 1 and 2, but I think this would work way better.
You could have the 1st 45 minutes or so being about Krypton, and Jor-El tracking down and capturing Zod, and maybe even Jax-Ur. I would really like to see Zod being responsible for the destruction of Krypton, and maybe explain that Argo City was intensionally undestroyed so that Zod would survie. This could also setup for Supergirl in a sequel.
What do you all think?

I had a similar idea, only it was more of a 'Return To Krypton' thing with Kal-El and Lois actually ending up ON Krypton several months before its destruction, retracing what happened to Zod to make him cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. Oh, and Brainiac was involved, too (as a Coluan AI that took root on various planets over the ages, having now settled on Krypton).

[superbaby]

don't follow the path laid in SR. get a new direction.

[Josh Bond]

And I though you said that after watching superman 1 and 2 superman returns amde sense.......... :huh: make up your mind. :o

it makes more sense then watching it by it self, but there are some errors in the time line, and how superman could have a superchild.

[storm-x-fan]

^^ ok, i get it. No probs.

[superbaby]

would you mind/be upset if the sequel didn't follow SR storyline? ie: Lois Lane wasn't a mother or the kid had never exist.

[November Rain]

if they are releasing in the next 2 and a bit years, then yeah...

retconning is a lazy way about things...

[dpm07]

would you mind/be upset if the sequel didn't follow SR storyline? ie: Lois Lane wasn't a mother or the kid had never exist.

I would not be upset if the story didn't follow the SR storyline of Lois being a mommy and the kid never existing. However sadly, I don't think that will happen. I think nothing short of a retcon will change that, and I really don't see Singer doing that.

[Danny No-Shame]

Not only would I not mind, but I think it might be necessary to save the franchise...

However, that would mean WB and Singer admitting they made a mistake and that just won't happen.

[Kabuki_Jo]

I agree with the post above.

[Dr. Fate]

Personally I think abandoning the idiotic storyline of SR would be the best thing for them to do.

[Billy Batson]

Personally I think abandoning the idiotic storyline of SR would be the best thing for them to do.

:yay: :up:

[dpm07]

Personally I think abandoning the idiotic storyline of SR would be the best thing for them to do.

I agree completely. :up: :up:

[mego joe]

It's the only way to go... abandon away. Just like Superman abandonned Lois....

[CGHulk]

I would be very happy if they abandoned the SR storyline and started over!

[lexlives]

Personally I think abandoning the idiotic storyline of SR would be the best thing for them to do.


Its really the only option WB has if they are interested at revivng the franchise in 10 years or so.

If WB were to greenlight a Singer sequel with the same writers it would be a giveaway they don't care about/believe in the franchiise as it would show no seriouss effort to fix things. To go with D&H again is basically, IMO, WB just throwing their hands up at it all.

[dpm07]

Its really the only option WB has if they are interested at revivng the franchise in 10 years or so.

If WB were to greenlight a Singer sequel with the same writers it would be a giveaway they don't care about/believe in the franchiise as it would show no seriouss effort to fix things. To go with D&H again is basically, IMO, WB just throwing their hands up at it all.

Yep. I completely agree with you. The writing team for Singer was basically a couple of "yes" men who just wrote the story Singer wanted to pacify his fragile ego.

Singer needs some good writers, who can bring a film on-screen that is going to be reflective of what a great superhero encompasses. Not a soulless flat soap opera that's boring and very lackluster. Not too mention introduces a horrible element by giving Superman "Superson". That really backs any writing team into a corner, because every successive film is going to have to deal with that element.

[Heretic]

Not every...I guarantee that whever Singer is replaced, whether it be the 2 or 10th film...the next crew will kill that kid or forget he ever existed.

[The Watchman]

a little Mr Mxyzptlk twist could take care of a lot of the problems SR had while moving forward.

[superbaby]

Personally I think abandoning the idiotic storyline of SR would be the best thing for them to do.
exactly what i wanna say. :up:

btw, i purposely didn't put up the option of "depending on the new storyline" to test if the people are more afraid of unknown or the idiotic storyline introduced by singer.

[superbaby]

Yep. I completely agree with you. The writing team for Singer was basically a couple of "yes" men who just wrote the story Singer wanted to pacify his fragile ego.

Singer needs some good writers, who can bring a film on-screen that is going to be reflective of what a great superhero encompasses. Not a soulless flat soap opera that's boring and very lackluster. Not too mention introduces a horrible element by giving Superman "Superson". That really backs any writing team into a corner, because every successive film is going to have to deal with that element.
and making Lois Lane a total b.i.t.c.h.

[lexlives]

Yep. I completely agree with you. The writing team for Singer was basically a couple of "yes" men who just wrote the story Singer wanted to pacify his fragile ego.

Singer needs some good writers, who can bring a film on-screen that is going to be reflective of what a great superhero encompasses. Not a soulless flat soap opera that's boring and very lackluster. Not too mention introduces a horrible element by giving Superman "Superson". That really backs any writing team into a corner, because every successive film is going to have to deal with that element.

The fact that WB is apparently letting Singer use these same writers for the treatment he is coming up with is scary because it basically says WB does not care and has given up on the franchise. To the extent that is true they just need to step up to the plate, say no and end the franchise now.

[El Payaso]

The fact that WB is apparently letting Singer use these same writers for the treatment he is coming up with is scary because it basically says WB does not care and has given up on the franchise. To the extent that is true they just need to step up to the plate, say no and end the franchise now.

The only thing it proves is they trust the actual team.

[Super Kal]

I wouldn't be... I'd find it an improvement over what we first saw.

[dark_b]

The fact that WB is apparently letting Singer use these same writers for the treatment he is coming up with is scary because it basically says WB does not care and has given up on the franchise. To the extent that is true they just need to step up to the plate, say no and end the franchise now.i just now have an image in my head. WB bosses are crying and are desperate because tehy can not get rid of singer.

are you serious dude? noone is desperate. WB is working very quick. if they dont like singer in 30 seconds he gets fired. its that simple. you think they are scared to tell him that htey dont like hes vision?


dude heheh you are very funny.

[Hunter Rider]

All they have to do is send the kid to boarding school and i'll be fine,i don't want them to just ignore the things from the first movie

[lexlives]

Not every...I guarantee that whever Singer is replaced, whether it be the 2 or 10th film...the next crew will kill that kid or forget he ever existed.

Absolutely true. Only Singer will continue with the kid. If he does not get a sequel then I can da** well guarantee you that 15 or so years from now when WB tries a re-start they will make sure to make clear it is not at all any kind of sequel - vague or not - to SR. As with the Hulk restart a future Superman film team will do everything to distance themselves from SR.

[superbaby]

The fact that WB is apparently letting Singer use these same writers for the treatment he is coming up with is scary because it basically says WB does not care and has given up on the franchise. To the extent that is true they just need to step up to the plate, say no and end the franchise now.
i don't know but i have a feeling that Singer was done. :P

[El Payaso]

i don't know but i have a feeling that Singer was done. :P

I do know, I have the reality saying he's doing the sequel. :P

[dar-El]

We'll have to wait and see. I mean Tim Burton was once hired to make a supes movie with Nic Cage, then Ratner with Anthony Hopkins as Jor-El, then McG, then Ratner again, then finally singer got the job. Even though he's made returns doesnt mean he'll make the sequel (X3 anybody?) Anything can happen in Hollywood, so i'll wait til the cameras are rolling before i say anything about the sequel.