Freeman talks Lucius Fox

[ultimatefan]

From the main page: "this time Lucius figures more in the plot". Sounds great, he was one of the first movie´s highlights.

[Chucktallica101]

yawn...this really isn't news.

[Milu]

More Freeman = :up: :up:

[Bishop]

hmm. didnt he say he didnt have to do much?

[Rezzo]

yawn...this really isn't news.

It´s not exactly thrilling news, but it´s news nonetheless.

[ultimatefan]

Don´t blame the messenger, it´s on the front page.

[TromaFreak64]

hmm. didnt he say he didnt have to do much?

Yes he did... so this is interesting... I mean he does figure into the plot with Lau and Reese, but don't go expecting it is much beyond that.... At least not yet... based on how little screen time he indicated he was on the set, etc. from that previous interview... not sure how he could be inolved in anything else.

[Bishop]

Yes he did... so this is interesting... I mean he does figure into the plot with Lau and Reese, but don't go expecting it is much beyond that.... At least not yet... based on how little screen time he indicated he was on the set, etc. from that previous interview... not sure how he could be inolved in anything else.


who are lau and reese?

[MagicPrime]

He wasn't even in Batman Begins all that much. He's a supporting character that doesn't need much screen time to do what he needs for the plot.

[JStorm]

Here's to Batman having his own "Q."

[ultimatefan]

hmm. didnt he say he didnt have to do much?

It wasn´t exactly what he said, if I remember, he said it was one of those Hollywood situations where an actor is paid a ton of money for a movie he has comparatively little to do with. Freeman is playing a small supporting role, but doesn´t mean he´s irrelevant.

[sasquatchs]

Here's to Batman having his own "Q."

That's precisely what I was about to say shouldn't happen. Bruce had it way too easy in Begins. Really don't want Fox back down in Applied Sciences, would be more interesting for him to deal with the business/society side of things

Casino Royale was far better off without one and I think Batman would be too

[JStorm]

That's precisely what I was about to say shouldn't happen. Bruce had it way too easy in Begins. Really don't want Fox back down in Applied Sciences, would be more interesting for him to deal with the business/society side of things

Casino Royale was far better off without one and I think Batman would be too

We really don't know which way Nolan will use Freeman.

I hope Freeman is not a "Q," and that he is more of the Lucius of the comics, or TAS.

Or maybe we are all off, and he will simply run Wayne Enterprises. That, in itself, is a decent role. Someone does need to do the "day to day."

[itsthebatman]

That's precisely what I was about to say shouldn't happen. Bruce had it way too easy in Begins. Really don't want Fox back down in Applied Sciences, would be more interesting for him to deal with the business/society side of things

Casino Royale was far better off without one and I think Batman would be too
I saw the first quote, and knew you'd chime in, old sport. Agreed, btw. Bruce is an extremely intelligent man, and excellent engineer - master of all trades in the comics. He should be able to design his own suits and wepaons, and build his own Batmobile, without the need of a 'Q' figure. That said, I did enjoy the light relief Freeman provided in Begins (and that's all it was, people).

[DeaDheaD]

From the main page: "this time Lucius figures more in the plot". Sounds great, he was one of the first movie´s highlights.
Well, that spoiled the movie for me, WAY TO GO!!!!:cmad: :dry: j/k, I was spoiled a long time ago

[sasquatchs]

I saw the first quote, and knew you'd chime in, old sport. Agreed, btw. Bruce is an extremely intelligent man, and excellent engineer - master of all trades in the comics. He should be able to design his own suits and wepaons, and build his own Batmobile, without the need of a 'Q' figure. That said, I did enjoy the light relief Freeman provided in Begins (and that's all it was, people).

Ha, I do have a bit of a thing about Fox and Bruce's lack of motivation. There are definitely interesting new places Fox can go, but he has served his current (small) purpose, time to take the training wheels off Brucey.

We already know Bruce asks Fox to make the new suit though :csad:

[Baba Ghanoush]

Freeman says Fox figures more into the plot.

C'mon, does this really need a new thread?

[JStorm]

Ha, I do have a bit of a thing about Fox and Bruce's lack of motivation. There are definitely interesting new places Fox can go, but he has served his current (small) purpose, time to take the training wheels off Brucey.

We already know Bruce asks Fox to make the new suit though :csad:

Batman: "Lucius, can you help me with my homework? This crime scene is too hard."
Lucius: "Aren't you suppose to be highly intelligent?"
Batman: "I didn't think to create a bat-tutor, for my belt."
Lucius: "You just said "bat-tutor."
Batman: "I am the opposite of day."
Lucius: "You mean night."
Batman: "See! I really need your help."
Lucius: "I guess those years of training can't make up for an Ivy education."
Batman: "I'm tellin' mom!"
Lucius: "Daniel Craig could kick you ass."
Batman: What's an ass?"

[Gotham]

Freeman says Fox figures more into the plot.

C'mon, does this really need a new thread?

Yes.

I also need to open a thread because Christian Bale said "hi". :ninja:

[Shoemeister]

C'mon, does this really need a new thread?

Morgan Freeman gets what he wants.

[itsthebatman]

Ha, I do have a bit of a thing about Fox and Bruce's lack of motivation. There are definitely interesting new places Fox can go, but he has served his current (small) purpose, time to take the training wheels off Brucey.

We already know Bruce asks Fox to make the new suit though :csad:
Like Thailand? Egypt? New Zealand?
Oh, right, character-wise. I know! Lucius adopts a new kitten... with hilarious consequences.

[sasquatchs]

It's quite possibly Fox that goes to Hong Kong :woot:

So it looks like he's in 2 plots, Dent's Maroni prosecution involving Lau, and the identity issue with Reese. Neither of which we know much about but they sound pretty novel.

[Damiean Dark]

Freeman was the best actor in BB for me. an easy understated performance, not forced and he had none of the corny pretentious dialoige Bale and Caine where forced to spew. i didnt like the fact he was a glorified Q making Bat gadgets but more from him in a more corporate man role in TDK will be very welcome.

[Baba Ghanoush]

Freeman was the best actor in BB for me. an easy understated performance, not forced and he had none of the corny pretentious dialoige Bale and Caine where forced to spew. i didnt like the fact he was a glorified Q making Bat gadgets but more from him in a more corporate man role in TDK will be very welcome.

I think Bale, Caine, and Neeson pulled off their pretentious dialogue b/c they are great actors.

Holmes however, came off as a self-righteous beeyatch b/c she didn't have the same acting skill and her dialogue seemed very forced.

[Darknightnomis]

Freeman says Fox figures more into the plot.

C'mon, does this really need a new thread?

Yes.

Didn't you get the memo?

[Borat]

Morgan Freeman gets what he wants.lol

[Baba Ghanoush]

Yes.

Didn't you get the memo?

Yes and it looked a bit technical, but the important thing is that this piece of info, if you can even call it that, didn't need a new thread.

[TromaFreak64]

I think they may close it..... but they'll let us discuss it for a moment.

[Naite22]

Lucius Fox knows Bruce is Batman in the sequel, he better. Anything else would be stupid! I love the cast of the new batman movie(s), it's so dead on. Except for Katie Holmes; She's not a bad actor, but she's too much of a little girl to be playing Rachel Dawes. It was a good choice to replace her in the sequel.

[ultimatefan]

Lucius Fox knows Bruce is Batman in the sequel, he better. Anything else would be stupid! I love the cast of the new batman movie(s), it's so dead on. Except for Katie Holmes; She's not a bad actor, but she's too much of a little girl to be playing Rachel Dawes. It was a good choice to replace her in the sequel.

In BB it´s not explicitly said, but very clearly implied that he knows.

[sasquatchs]

I think the 2 will continue to dance around the topic in a wink wink fashion rather than plainly acknowledge it to each other, which would just be odd. Or Bruce could talk about Batman in the 3rd person or something. As long as it's not "I need a snazzy new Batman suit"

[jimmy]

Ever since he was a little boy. . .

[Naite22]

In BB it´s not explicitly said, but very clearly implied that he knows.

Yes, in the first it's simply implied that he knows, but I wont except him NOT knowing 110% in the sequel! Think about it. Lucius must clearly have seen the tumbler being filmed in action, on the news (already in BB); he designed the damn thing! And in the sequel he builds a Batpod for Bruce, which will more than likely be seen on the news as well. The man does watch the news I surpose. If he doesn't know it's just stupid. And besides, the two became good friends at the end of BB. Bruce knows Fox can be trusted. It's only cool if Fox becomes Bruce's trustworthy ally.

[jimmy]

. . . people have loved the sound of his voice.

[mjbull23]

In BB it´s not explicitly said, but very clearly implied that he knows.

Wholeheartedly agree. Fox knows. In TDK i'd like to see Fox and Wayne continue to dance around the issue, makes their relationship more interesting.

[Nightwing1977]

Freeman rules!! That is all. :word:

[MAKIEVELLI]

Yes, in the first it's simply implied that he knows, but I wont except him NOT knowing 110% in the sequel! Think about it. Lucius must clearly have seen the tumbler being filmed in action, on the news (already in BB); he designed the damn thing! And in the sequel he builds a Batpod for Bruce, which will more than likely be seen on the news as well. The man does watch the news I surpose. If he doesn't know it's just stupid. And besides, the two became good friends at the end of BB. Bruce knows Fox can be trusted. It's only cool if Fox becomes Bruce's trustworthy ally.

For the last time, Lucius it is not stated whether designed the stuff or not. He just works there, the stuff was designed by the military, not by Fox.

[JStorm]

For the last time, Lucius it is not stated whether designed the stuff or not. He just works there, the stuff was designed by the military, not by Fox.

Fox painted the Tumbler for Bruce.

I read it, in Batman Begins: A History.

[Damiean Dark]

For the last time, Lucius it is not stated whether designed the stuff or not. He just works there, the stuff was designed by the military, not by Fox.

But Fox has the intelligence to easily make that kind of stuff he is enough of a scientist/engineer to do it he helped build wayne towers and created the anti toxin for scarecrows fear gas didnt he?. Freeman is great (he provides the best acting in the movie imo) but i stilll don tlike the fact he either built/could build bruces bat equipment or knows more about science and engineering etc then bruce wayne watching BB i didnt in any way feel bruce was one of the premier minds on the planet.

[Naite22]

For the last time, Lucius it is not stated whether designed the stuff or not. He just works there, the stuff was designed by the military, not by Fox.

Never the less, Fox knows the design for EVERYTHING in that basement. The same **** that he let Bruce gets his hands on. And funny enough, Batman is going about the town in those EXACT designs for a car and motorcycle!.... hmm, what a coincidence:whatever: . So, one more time, it's absolutely ridiculous if Bruce hasn't come totally clean with Fox and made him his ally, in the sequel. Cause either way it should be crystal-clear for Fox that Bruce is the Dark Knight, I mean come on!

In a movie franchise where everything fits so perfectly as it does, surely they wont let this aspect go sloppy. It would be plain dumb.

[Gianakin_]

Well, Bruce doesn't have to outright tell him, or if he does, we don't need to see the scene. For this particular matter, implication is just as effective. Plus, if a straight admittance hasn't been made by Bruce, they can keep making jokes at each other.

[Naite22]

^ they dont need to show Bruce telling Fox that he's Batman, cause it'll no doubt NOT come as a chock to him! He already told Bruce in BB that he shouldn't think of him as an idiot... Fox is a clever man, he knew Bruce were up to something from the very beginning, and Bruce knows it. Fox knows for sure in the sequel, this I'm surdent about. And I wouldn't have it any other way, cause like I said, anything else would be stupid.

[Gianakin_]

Oh, ok, we agree then, it's just that the post of MAKIEVELLI you quoted was about whether Fox designed the stuff himself or not. It didn't argue that Fox didn't know who Bruce is.

[Naite22]

^ Ok... Just as long as we're on the same track now:)

[Nightwing1977]

I think the whole thing argument thing about if Fox made or not on the stuff Batman use is silly. Big deal if he does. Batman can't make everything himself, you know. He has to at least get some of the thing from his own business than just making them. They done this kind of things before in the comics, so I don't have a problem with it in the film.

[batmaluco]

In BB it's already pretty obvious that he knows that Bruce is Batman.

They just play with each other, pretending that he does not. It's really funny the relationship they develop therefore.

And I don't blame Bruce for trusting him straight away.
Morgan Freeman is such a charismatic human being that you just look at him for the first time and feel he is someone to be trusted.:heart: He seems to be a very ethical person. Genious casting, imo.

[Two-Face]

I don't know why some people here don't like Lucuis helping Bruce in his quest? In comics he was just dealing with business side of things if I remember correctly I I think Nolan & Co made Fox more interesting character rather just working at WE.

[Gianakin_]

They believe that it takes away from Bruce's intelligence and genious. I disagree, but I understand why they'd think that.

[Baba Ghanoush]

I don't know why some people here don't like Lucuis helping Bruce in his quest? In comics he was just dealing with business side of things if I remember correctly I I think Nolan & Co made Fox more interesting character rather just working at WE.

Becuz in the comicz, Batman is teh detectivez and he needs to be the detectivez and figure things out all by himself with no helpz from anyone else. OMGZ, Nolan screwed everything up in batman begins by not making him the detectivez.

[daywalker2007]

Yes.

Didn't you get the memo?

what a great line, now immortilised forever, and delivered with such greatness by freeman.

i hope freeman gets another cracking one liner like that in TDK!

[LastSunrise1981]

Never the less, Fox knows the design for EVERYTHING in that basement. The same **** that he let Bruce gets his hands on. And funny enough, Batman is going about the town in those EXACT designs for a car and motorcycle!.... hmm, what a coincidence:whatever: . So, one more time, it's absolutely ridiculous if Bruce hasn't come totally clean with Fox and made him his ally, in the sequel. Cause either way it should be crystal-clear for Fox that Bruce is the Dark Knight, I mean come on!

In a movie franchise where everything fits so perfectly as it does, surely they wont let this aspect go sloppy. It would be plain dumb.

Unless they're going the Spider-Man route with it. What I mean is Bruce gives Fox the indication that he KNOWS Batman, but Fox doesn't know that he is Batman.

I think it could work if done right.

[Nightwing1977]

They believe that it takes away from Bruce's intelligence and genious. I disagree, but I understand why they'd think that.

True. But honestly, even people with great intelligence like Batman can't do every thing himself. Every intelligent people will need some help. Even Batman will have to get help with some of his toys from time to time.

Also, Batman is smart but he not usually an inventor on many things as some think. Tony Stark does thought. They are similiar, but Stark is smarter & can invent many things where Bruce Wayne can't.

[Darknightnomis]

It's been hinted at for decades in the comics that Lucius (as well as commisioner Gordan) both know that Bruce Wayne is Batman.

[Gianakin_]

True. But honestly, even people with great intelligence like Batman can't do every thing himself. Every intelligent people will need some help. Even Batman will have to get help with some of his toys from time to time.

Also, Batman is smart but he not usually an inventor on many things as some think. Tony Stark does thought. They are similiar, but Stark is smarter & can invent many things where Bruce Wayne can't.

The one thing I do know is that when Bruce woke up after being gassed by Crane, before he realized Lucious was there, he started analyzing the whole deal about the gas; and he was right. Note that: He just woke up with a terrible hangover. And he got the gas function right -> half of Al Ghul's plan.
Right, he must be dumb because he didn't tailor the suit himself or build the Tumbler with his bare hands.

[Damiean Dark]

I think some people here are trying to talk themselves into thinking Nolan got that part of the character right he didnt bruce wayne in BB isnt the bruce wayne we all know the one who would do most of the things fox does easily what exactly did he travel the world for? just to learn how to bust heads successfully? it doesnt work in BB i dont see the burning intelligence and inventive mind i know Bruce Wayne has.

[Gianakin_]

I think some people are trying to talk themselves into believing that opinions don't vary.

[Figs]

I think some people here are trying to talk themselves into thinking Nolan got that part of the character right he didnt bruce wayne in BB isnt the bruce wayne we all know the one who would do most of the things fox does easily what exactly did he travel the world for? just to learn how to bust heads successfully? it doesnt work in BB i dont see the burning intelligence and inventive mind i know Bruce Wayne has.


Nolan has already stated in the past that TDK would have way more detective work. I think as this is the sequel he as a character will grow and we will see more of his intelligence.

[Damiean Dark]

From Wiki

Skills, abilities, and resources
Unlike many superheroes, Batman has no superpowers and instead relies on "his own scientific knowledge, detective skills, and athletic prowess."[67] Batman is physically at the peak of human ability in dozens of areas, notably martial arts, acrobatics, strength, and escape artistry. Intellectually, he is just as peerless; Batman is one of the world's greatest scientists, criminologists, and tacticians, as well as a master of disguise, often gathering information under the identity of Matches Malone. He is regarded as one of the DC Universe's greatest detectives. Rather than simply outfighting his opponents, Batman often uses cunning and planning to outwit them. In Grant Morrison's first storyline in JLA, Superman describes Batman as "the most dangerous man on Earth," able to defeat a team of superpowered aliens all by himself in order to rescue his imprisoned teammates.[68]

I just didnt see any of this in BB.

[Gianakin_]

Batman is physically at the peak of human ability in dozens of areas, notably martial arts, acrobatics, strength, and escape artistry.


Seemed pretty strong to me. He did take down 4 of Ra's Al Ghul's thugs, who have supposedly received the same training as he did. Let alone the bunches of criminals in the docks and in Arkham.


Intellectually, he is just as peerless; Batman is one of the world's greatest scientists, criminologists, and tacticians, as well as a master of disguise, often gathering information under the identity of Matches Malone.


He did do surveillance, analyzed Crane's toxin to a T immediately after waking up from his 1st encounter with Scarecrow.


He is regarded as one of the DC Universe's greatest detectives.

Well, the upcoming DC superhero films had better make their protagonists a bit less savvy in detective work, right?:woot:


Rather than simply outfighting his opponents, Batman often uses cunning and planning to outwit them.

"Who said anything about stopping it?"


In Grant Morrison's first storyline in JLA, Superman describes Batman as "the most dangerous man on Earth," able to defeat a team of superpowered aliens all by himself in order to rescue his imprisoned teammates.[68]

Enjoy the JL movie, that's the only place where comparisons can be made.


I just didnt see any of this in BB.

See above? Opinions. I disagree with you.

[Baba Ghanoush]

From Wiki

Skills, abilities, and resources
Unlike many superheroes, Batman has no superpowers and instead relies on "his own scientific knowledge, detective skills, and athletic prowess."[67] Batman is physically at the peak of human ability in dozens of areas, notably martial arts, acrobatics, strength, and escape artistry. Intellectually, he is just as peerless; Batman is one of the world's greatest scientists, criminologists, and tacticians, as well as a master of disguise, often gathering information under the identity of Matches Malone. He is regarded as one of the DC Universe's greatest detectives. Rather than simply outfighting his opponents, Batman often uses cunning and planning to outwit them. In Grant Morrison's first storyline in JLA, Superman describes Batman as "the most dangerous man on Earth," able to defeat a team of superpowered aliens all by himself in order to rescue his imprisoned teammates.[68]

I just didnt see any of this in BB.

"You're like the old lady walking around with a gourmet ham under her arm but complaining there's no bread." - Tony Soprano

[Damiean Dark]

Nolan has already stated in the past that TDK would have way more detective work. I think as this is the sequel he as a character will grow and we will see more of his intelligence.

Shouldnt all the abilities of Batman be fleshed out in his origin story though?.

[Figs]

Shouldnt all the abilities of Batman be fleshed out in his origin story though?.


Yeah, they should have, that's one of the films few faults IMO. Hopefully they can fix it in TDk. For the most part I don't give two ****s if they don't have flashbacks in TDK for his schooling. Just as long as they show him use them in order to stop Joker and other bad guys.

As a fan of the comic, once they had Alfred ask Bruce if he was to be returning to Harvard or Princeton(I forget which one) after the hearing that was fine with me. I knew that college is were he studied science and whatnot.

[Damiean Dark]

I disagree on this interpretation of batman i really do think Nolan got it all wrong If you want to see an angry man don a suit learn a few moves and bust heads (the so called "badass" batman) with no real telling of bats intelligence and real abilities and villains limited by Nolans realism aspect watch BB. if you want a nearly completely faithfull batman complete with all his abilities and intelligence and all his rogues gallery in all thier outlandish glory watch BTAS and to a lesser extent B89/BR.

A good movie but not what it could have been.

[Figs]

I disagree on this interpretation of batman i really do think Nolan got it all wrong If you want to see an angry man don a suit learn a few moves and bust heads (the so called "badass" batman) with no real telling of bats intelligence and real abilities and villains limited by Nolans realism aspect watch BB. if you want a nearly completely faithfull batman complete with all his abilities and intelligence and all his rogues gallery in all thier outlandish glory watch BTAS and to a lesser extent B89/BR.

A good movie but not what it could have been.


Batman was smarter and did way more detective work in BB than he did in '89 and BR combined. I think saying Nolan got it "all" wrong is the overstatement of the year. The only thing his first film was lacking was to maybe take more time and show him in school learning the sciences and criminology.

[Gianakin_]

I disagree on this interpretation of batman i really do think Nolan got it all wrong If you want to see an angry man don a suit learn a few moves and bust heads (the so called "badass" batman) with no real telling of bats intelligence and real abilities and villains limited by Nolans realism aspect watch BB. if you want a nearly completely faithfull batman complete with all his abilities and intelligence and all his rogues gallery in all thier outlandish glory watch BTAS and to a lesser extent B89/BR.

A good movie but not what it could have been.

It's one thing to like the Burton films more (respectable) and another to just undermine BB so much.

In B89/BR he had trouble fighting regular thugs, whle in BB he had those for breakfast and even defeated ninjas of the same level as him with some easiness.

In B89/BR the only really intelligent thing he did was find out the Joker's plan for the toxic products and they didn't even show us how he did it (understandable). He just announced it to Vicki (and us, and again I understand why it was approached this way) in the Batcave after the car chase.
All the other stuff he read it from police files and newspapers (Jack Napier's profile, the Red Triangle Gang's fate in BR). And the CD stuff with the Penguin from BR, ok, he had the insight to record all that Penguin was saying while his car was manipulated by Cobblepot. But the 2 above examples are not really the greatest showcase of Bruce's intellligence or surveillance. IMO, always.

[Damiean Dark]

I didnt see any intellgence from bruce in bb he was smart yeah but his his detective work consisted of following a couple of criminals and blackmailing them I could do that. in B89 bruce cracks jokers chemical code that one peice of intelligence cancels out all of bats work in BB keaton seems the more intelligent wayne and batman imo. its not the amount of work done but the content of the work done. But if you really want to see a faithfull batman/wayne watch BTAS.

[sasquatchs]

They really could have done with stretching out the Falcone part. What kind of idiot mob boss would show up at the drugs shipment unloading?

The way the fear gas antidote was handled in the final script was also disappointing. In the leaked draft it's Bruce that takes the initiative and discovers the emitter, then approaches Fox about creating the antitdote on a mass scale. In the film he's completely oblivious to Ra's plot and Fox has to tell him

[Gianakin_]

I didnt see any intellgence from bruce in bb he was smart yeah but his his detective work consisted of following a couple of criminals and blackmailing them I could do that. in B89 bruce cracks jokers chemical code that one peice of intelligence cancels out all of bats work in BB keaton seems the more intelligent wayne and batman imo. its not the amount of work done but the content of the work done. But if you really want to see a faithfull batman/wayne watch BTAS.

Anyway, I disagree. I think that solving the Joker's toxin in B89 was pretty good work, but in no way did it cancel Bruce's deeds in BB for me.
As for TAS, sure, it was faithful, it was great. But to compare a series to a movie on any circumstance is so unfair it's not even funny.

[Gianakin_]

They really could have done with stretching out the Falcone part. What kind of idiot mob boss would show up at the drugs shipment unloading?

The way the fear gas antidote was handled in the final script was also disappointing. In the leaked draft it's Bruce that takes the initiative and discovers the emitter, then approaches Fox about creating the antitdote on a mass scale. In the film he's completely oblivious to Ra's plot and Fox has to tell him

If that's true, then it is a bit disappointing. But still.

[Damiean Dark]

My disapointment for BB goes beyond just nitpicking (valid) points i just didnt feel it, it WAS good but it just didnt excite me as all great movies should it didnt flow as a movie and the spoken script sucked i just see it as a wasted opportunity to make the greatest batfilm ever great cast in Bale, freeman, neeson a big budget and a respected director in nolan all these and it still fell flat.

[Damiean Dark]

And Falcone was a dissapointment as well Tom Wilkonson is a good actor great in the full monty and numerous other British tv series and films American audiances have never seen but he was all wrong for an italian mob boss i didnt feel any menace from him at all Walken as shreck was far better as a non rogues villain you just felt this is a guy you dont mess with they should have got andy garcia to play falcone.

[Gianakin_]

I can respect that.

[fabman]

My disapointment for BB goes beyond just nitpicking (valid) points i just didnt feel it, it WAS good but it just didnt excite me as all great movies should it didnt flow as a movie and the spoken script sucked i just see it as a wasted opportunity to make the greatest batfilm ever great cast in Bale, freeman, neeson a big budget and a respected director in nolan all these and it still fell flat.

Ahh... c'mon? You again? Just shut up (I'm in my "rude days" :D). You already started those threads on the BOF forums. If you don't like Nolan's take on Batman just go to the "Batman Misc. Films" forums! ;)

[Gianakin_]

And Falcone was a dissapointment as well is a good actor great in the full monty and numerous other British tv series and films American audiances have nver seen but he was all wrong for an italian mob boss i didnt feel any menace from him at all Walken as shreck was far better as a non rogues villain you just felt this is a guy you dont mess with they should have got andy garcia.

Garcia would be a joke imo. Max Shreck was fine for the part and setting he was created for, but he'd be an even biger joke among the criminal society of BB, the way I see it. It's about the context.
Plus, I liked that they deviated from the comics with his charater (and style and accent), because in TLH he was too much of Brando's Corleone. It worked in the comics, but in the movie it'd have looked bad, imo.

[sasquatchs]

Yes Falcone was awful, Wilkinson is usually great but not for this. Freeman is always classy, they just need to stop relying on his character as the go to guy for all problems

[Two-Face]

And Falcone was a dissapointment as well Tom Wilkonson is a good actor great in the full monty and numerous other British tv series and films American audiances have nver seen but he was all wrong for an italian mob boss i didnt feel any menace from him at all Walken as shreck was far better as a non rogues villain you just felt this is a guy you dont mess with they should have got andy garcia.


Everything in Begins is wrong in your eyes, isn't it?

[fabman]

Ah... just leave him alone. He's a f'ing dork. Only thing he does is dissing Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. He did that on other forums aswell. Ignore him!

[Gianakin_]

Oh, he's one of those guys, huh?

[Puddin]

I disagree on this interpretation of batman i really do think Nolan got it all wrong If you want to see an angry man don a suit learn a few moves and bust heads (the so called "badass" batman) with no real telling of bats intelligence and real abilities and villains limited by Nolans realism aspect watch BB. if you want a nearly completely faithfull batman complete with all his abilities and intelligence and all his rogues gallery in all thier outlandish glory watch BTAS and to a lesser extent B89/BR.

A good movie but not what it could have been.

Well, if you want to oversimplify Nolan's interpretation to that you're more than welcome to, but as others have pointed out there definitely is more represented on screen than merely a bad ass head buster. Personally I like this version very much, and I'm in the camp that grew up believing that BTAS was <i>the</i> definitive version of Batman (gasp! how is it possible that I like both?!?!?! The world might asplode!). And I really must ask, what's with all of this about the villains being toned down? I keep hearing this and I just don't honestly see it. Granted they are definitely different interpretations of the characters we know and love, but I think calling them toned down is a bit of a stretch. Know what I see different about BB Scarecrow? A wardrobe change. Otherwise he's pretty much the same character I'm familiar with (albeit obviously in the early stages of his criminal career). Although there's no real basis for this, I'd like to think that the Scarecrow we got in BB will only evolve over time if he continues to make his presence known in the film universe.

[Cax40]

For the last time, Lucius it is not stated whether designed the stuff or not. He just works there, the stuff was designed by the military, not by Fox.

You're wrong. The suit and the tumbler were designed by Wayne Enterprises for the military.

[Damiean Dark]

But it should have really been by Bruce wayne for batman and Fabman you can kiss my *** your another fool from BOF they cant handle someone who has a radically different opinion then yours thats why these boardss rule if you want a Begins love in why dont you go back there and stay kissing Jets *** like the rest of those suck ups?.

[sasquatchs]

The debate about Begins is way more sophisticated over at BOF judging from threads like this.

http://p088.ezboard.com/fbatmanonfilm81780frm22.showMessageRange?topicID=3 85.topic&start=221&stop=240

Jett might be a ridiculous character but there's a few good posters over there that don't like BB very much at all. It's just the way they say it

[Citadel30]

and the pillow fight begins...

[Damiean Dark]

Well, if you want to oversimplify Nolan's interpretation to that you're more than welcome to, but as others have pointed out there definitely is more represented on screen than merely a bad ass head buster. Personally I like this version very much, and I'm in the camp that grew up believing that BTAS was <i>the</i> definitive version of Batman (gasp! how is it possible that I like both?!?!?! The world might asplode!). And I really must ask, what's with all of this about the villains being toned down? I keep hearing this and I just don't honestly see it. Granted they are definitely different interpretations of the characters we know and love, but I think calling them toned down is a bit of a stretch. Know what I see different about BB Scarecrow? A wardrobe change. Otherwise he's pretty much the same character I'm familiar with (albeit obviously in the early stages of his criminal career). Although there's no real basis for this, I'd like to think that the Scarecrow we got in BB will only evolve over time if he continues to make his presence known in the film universe.

I agree on Scarecrow hope they keep Murphy for future sequels he was one of the bright sparks of BB he knew how to play the theatrical creepyness a bat villain sometimes needs for me Batmans rogues gallery should always be outlandish and crazy thats why they are some of the best villains in comics.

[Nightwing1977]

I disagree on this interpretation of batman i really do think Nolan got it all wrong If you want to see an angry man don a suit learn a few moves and bust heads (the so called "badass" batman) with no real telling of bats intelligence and real abilities and villains limited by Nolans realism aspect watch BB. if you want a nearly completely faithfull batman complete with all his abilities and intelligence and all his rogues gallery in all thier outlandish glory watch BTAS and to a lesser extent B89/BR.

A good movie but not what it could have been.

And you think Burton got it right? :whatever:

I think you're hating too much on BB, that you're ignoring many things. Big deal he isn't a full detective yet. You can't expect that on his first time as Batman & especially when the movie title is "Begins". We will see more detective work in TDK. Funny how some complain Nolan's Batman isn't the same Batman they claim, but they love Burton when he didn't do any better.

[sasquatchs]

The detective stuff is definitely just a niggle at this stage, but it goes deeper than that I think. Bruce was basically just following other peoples orders the entire film, very little did he figure out on his own. He focused on Falcone because Rachel told him to and to take him down he just carried out Gordon's advice. The whole Ra's thing he was oblivious to

[C. Lee]

But it should have really been by Bruce wayne for batman and Fabman you can kiss my *** your another fool from BOF they cant handle someone who has a radically different opinion then yours thats why these boardss rule if you want a Begins love in why dont you go back there and stay kissing Jets *** like the rest of those suck ups?.

Try calming down and not calling people names.......this is a warning.

[Damiean Dark]

Ah... just leave him alone. He's a f'ing dork. Only thing he does is dissing Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. He did that on other forums aswell. Ignore him!

^I just hope Fabman gets a warning too cursing each other online is stupid but i didnt start it.