Is being Homosexual a "bad thing"?

[Lazlo Panaflex]

Those are the best kind. :huh:
The best kind at what, hand knitting?

I'm not saying gay guys can't express themselves just try to supress it a little of it in public.

[Carcharodon]

The best kind at what, hand knitting?

I'm not saying gay guys can't express themselves just try to supress it a little of it in public....why? :huh:

[The Original Bamfer]

I'm thoroughly annoyed by the gay guy I know. Not because he's gay. But because everything is about him being gay. And it's annoying as ****.

[Carcharodon]

I'm thoroughly annoyed by the gay guy I know. Not because he's gay. But because everything is about him being gay. And it's annoying as ****.You're just intolerant. :o

[The Original Bamfer]

You're just intolerant. :o

Not at all. But men and gay sex aren't my thing. So, naturally, I don't want to hear about it.

[Carcharodon]

Not at all. But men and gay sex aren't my thing. So, naturally, I don't want to hear about it.Bigot. :cmad:

[tzarinna]

I didn't vote, should I?

[Lazlo Panaflex]

...why? :huh:
For example I'm straight and I love females as much as any guy but I don't go around harassing them verbally and grabbing their asses.

[tzarinna]

and we apprecaite it.

[Carcharodon]

For example I'm straight and I love females as much as any guy but I don't go around harassing them verbally and grabbing their asses.There are straight people that do, though. :dry:

It seems to me as though you think that all flamingly gay guys are trying to get into your pants. Sorry, that's not true. Common misconception, though.

[Carcharodon]

and we apprecaite it.Pfft yeah, right. We know you like the attention, hotcakes. :whatever:

[The Original Bamfer]

Hotcakes, yum/haha.

[Mr Sparkle]

I don't think our backs were designed to be massaged by hands either. I don't think that is the PURPOSE, the God ordained PURPOSE of the human back, so, I guess massage therapists are an abomination


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

[MaskedManJRK]

Not at all. But men and gay sex aren't my thing. So, naturally, I don't want to hear about it.

Well, look at it this way--I would think you could do the same with the situation reversed. What if you just talked about trying to get pussy 24/7?

Women and straight sex isn't their thing. So,naturally, they don't want to hear about it.

It's second only to "lesbians good gays bad" idea in one of the most hypocritical things about straight people's conception of homosexuality. They'll talk about their husbands or their wives and their marital problems and their sex problems without a whim, but as soon as the gay guy mentions a boyfriend, they're like, "Woah, woah, that's too far."

[The Original Bamfer]

Well, look at it this way--I would think you could do the same with the situation reversed. What if you just talked about trying to get pussy 24/7?

Women and straight sex isn't their thing. So,naturally, they don't want to hear about it.

It's second only to "lesbians good gays bad" idea in one of the most hypocritical things about straight people's conception of homosexuality. They'll talk about their husbands or their wives and their marital problems and their sex problems without a whim, but as soon as the gay guy mentions a boyfriend, they're like, "Woah, woah, that's too far."

Do you want to hear about old people having sex? Obese people having sex? Probably not. I don't share their interest, so I don't want to hear about it. Just like I don't talk about my sex life with the homosexual people I know, because I know it doesn't interest them.

[Diamondhead]

The ultimate goal to have sex is to reproduce
Therefore homosexuality is a waste
And has no real purpose

Give me the most gorgeous women in the whole wide world and…
If she’s unable to reproduce
Then she becomes obsolete
Just another pretty thing to toss away

The real attractions for both sexes are the fact that they can reproduce and perpetuate the human race, regarding their ethnicities
As long as they can get together and makes babies
Then it is fine.

Most people are having sex just for the fun of it
Some even go transgender
It empowered to some extent and makes them fell good

Love and sex are usually a cure for the weak minded who can easily fall to temptation

A very healthy and strong body is usually equipped with a healthy mind
And therefore needs no love or affection as often as the not so healthy ones

If you ever see a very healthy and gorgeous guy or a girl with a killer body
Without companionship whatsoever
Don’t be so quick to judge them of being homosexuals
Just because they don’t need your companionship

It might be because that or this person is so healthy of mind and body that he doesn’t need the cure of love
And I guess that’s where narcissisms come in huh?!

Forget about that “God is love” thing
No!
For me
God is therefore
Creation, life, power...

[Sandman138]

Sex as a means of reproduction is already obsolete. Next argument.

[cookiva]

The ultimate goal to have sex is to reproduce
Therefore homosexuality is a waste
And has no real purpose

Give me the most gorgeous women in the whole wide world and…
If she’s unable to reproduce
Then she becomes obsolete
Just another pretty thing to toss away

The real attractions for both sexes are the fact that they can reproduce and perpetuate the human race, regarding their ethnicities
As long as they can get together and makes babies
Then it is fine.

Most people are having sex just for the fun of it
Some even go transgender
It empowered to some extent and makes them fell good

Love and sex are usually a cure for the weak minded who can easily fall to temptation

A very healthy and strong body is usually equipped with a healthy mind
And therefore needs no love or affection as often as the not so healthy ones

If you ever see a very healthy and gorgeous guy or a girl with a killer body
Without companionship whatsoever
Don’t be so quick to judge them of being homosexuals
Just because they don’t need your companionship

It might be because that or this person is so healthy of mind and body that he doesn’t need the cure of love
And I guess that’s where narcissisms come in huh?!

Forget about that “God is love” thing
No!
For me
God is therefore
Creation, life, power...

Vote for stupidest post of the day

[JustABill]

I can't even believe this thread exists. :dry:

[cookiva]

Its hilarious, Bill. Where have you been?!?!?!?!

[MaskedManJRK]

Do you want to hear about old people having sex? Obese people having sex? Probably not. I don't share their interest, so I don't want to hear about it. Just like I don't talk about my sex life with the homosexual people I know, because I know it doesn't interest them.

Well, at least you "practice what you preach," if you will. You're already a step beyond the homophobic bastards. :up:

The ultimate goal to have sex is to reproduce
Therefore homosexuality is a waste
And has no real purpose

Give me the most gorgeous women in the whole wide world and…
If she’s unable to reproduce
Then she becomes obsolete
Just another pretty thing to toss away

The real attractions for both sexes are the fact that they can reproduce and perpetuate the human race, regarding their ethnicities
As long as they can get together and makes babies
Then it is fine.

Most people are having sex just for the fun of it
Some even go transgender
It empowered to some extent and makes them fell good

Love and sex are usually a cure for the weak minded who can easily fall to temptation

A very healthy and strong body is usually equipped with a healthy mind
And therefore needs no love or affection as often as the not so healthy ones

If you ever see a very healthy and gorgeous guy or a girl with a killer body
Without companionship whatsoever
Don’t be so quick to judge them of being homosexuals
Just because they don’t need your companionship

It might be because that or this person is so healthy of mind and body that he doesn’t need the cure of love
And I guess that’s where narcissisms come in huh?!

Forget about that “God is love” thing
No!
For me
God is therefore
Creation, life, power...

So, God is essentially a dictator that wants to control your life? Wow, and I'm supposed to like him? :huh:

Sex as a means of reproduction is already obsolete. Next argument.

I'm not sure if I get what you mean--can you further elaborate on this?

[Sandman138]

In Vitro Fertilization

[Sandman138]

Also, it sounds like Diamondhead is a virgin.

[Mr Jide]

As well, Mr. 7000+, do your friends know that you are anti-gay? Obviously not vocally, but do they know your opinion? If any of my friends told me they were against my way of life (I'm straight, but if I were gay), I would be really upset and probably really offended. So do you not tell them?

Read my earlier posts.

And is anyone taking into account that gay sex has been happening since LONG before Christianity even came into play. Has anyone heard of Pompei? (Not sure if i spelt that right)... But it was an ancient Greek city which was buried under volcanic ash. Because the ash covered it so quickly, the city was almost perfectly preserved. Their walls were covered of various pictures depicting gay sex. Both male on male and female on female.

Gay sex is NOT a new thing.

Again, I've already stated that gay sex isn't new, I mentioned how its been around alongside incest during the times of Nimrod and earlier. earlierSome animals are gay, too.
I take it you've never heard of sodom and gamora (sp?)

[S_H_F_4839]

I see this thread is heading into the religious debate. Before it gets there I just want to state for the record I don't care what orenitation anyone is, you like it on your side of the fence, I like it fine over here on my side.

[Mr Jide]

This thread entered the religious debate about 12 pages ago.

[S_H_F_4839]

This thread entered the religious debate about 12 pages ago.

well I don't do research read the first page and the last page.

[LexCorp]

This thread entered the religious debate about 12 pages ago.

Hey buddy how are you today?

[Mr Jide]

I feel rather adjectively gay. :cwink::oldrazz:

[LexCorp]

I feel rather adjectively gay. :cwink::oldrazz:

Glad to hear it...wow yesterday just exploded into a big fight did it not...

I think we found some proof the religon starts wars very quickly lol.

[Mr Jide]

Glad to hear it...wow yesterday just exploded into a big fight did it not...

I think we found some proof the religon starts wars very quickly lol.

I don't think religion starts wars per se. I think religion as a term is used as an instrumental scapegoat to blame all of life's problems.
As evidenced yesterday and throughout history, it's people's lack of tolerance, gross misunderstanding, ego and complete lack of social conduct that starts wars. Of course, people will disguise these flawed acts under, religion, which has alwys been a weak and pathetic argument to justify killings and other types of harassments and persecutions. If people took the time to apply coutesy and cordial social conduct, respecting differences of opinions, the world will be a much better place BUT the fact is, people are too lazy, impatient, selfish and cowardly to do such a thing.

[LexCorp]

I don't think religion starts wars per se. I think religion as a term is used as an instrumental scapegoat to blame all of life's problems.
As evidenced yesterday and throughout history, it's people's lack of tolerance, gross misunderstanding, ego and complete lack of social conduct that starts wars. Of course, people will disguise these flawed acts under, religion, which has alwys been a weak and pathetic argument to justify killings and other types of harassments and persecutions. If people took the time to apply coutesy and cordial social conduct, respecting differences of opinions, the world will be a much better place BUT the fact is, people are too lazy, impatient, selfish and cowardly to do such a thing.

Indeed, it is the human nature that starts the wars but many other aspects prolong them, religion being one that has been at the front of the list of excuses. :)

[PemLam]

I don't think religion starts wars per se. I think religion as a term is used as an instrumental scapegoat to blame all of life's problems.
As evidenced yesterday and throughout history, it's people's lack of tolerance, gross misunderstanding, ego and complete lack of social conduct that starts wars. Of course, people will disguise these flawed acts under, religion, which has alwys been a weak and pathetic argument to justify killings and other types of harassments and persecutions. If people took the time to apply coutesy and cordial social conduct, respecting differences of opinions, the world will be a much better place BUT the fact is, people are too lazy, impatient, selfish and cowardly to do such a thing.

I've been reading through this thread since it started and been impressed with the patience you have shown considering the amount of posts attacking your personal views, but to say that you don't think religion has started any wars is pushing it:

Uganda - Lord's of Resistance Army, Chechnya, Israel/Palestine, The Crusades, the Pacification of Ghent, Ivory Coast (following the elections in 2000), the French Wars of Religion in the 1500's, etc.

Religion, or more accurately, the twisted views some of its followers have of it is more often than not the cause of many conflicts both today and historically.

[squeekness]

I've been reading through this thread since it started and been impressed with the patience you have shown considering the amount of posts attacking your personal views, but to say that you don't think religion has started any wars is pushing it:

Uganda - Lord's of Resistance Army, Chechnya, Israel/Palestine, The Crusades, the Pacification of Ghent, Ivory Coast (following the elections in 2000), the French Wars of Religion in the 1500's, etc.

Religion, or more accurately, the twisted views some of its followers have of it is more often than not the cause of many conflicts both today and historically.
Yes, but more often than not, ecomonic issues drive these wars that have a religious front. The Lord's Resistance Army? These guys pilliage and rape, it has nothing to do with religion at all. They want the villiager's lands and will do anything to take them.

The Crusades were also more economically driven. The lords that went were more interested in the lands they would win than if the Holy Land was free. Greed is the cause of most wars, no matter the excuse. :(

[Fried Gold]

I personally don't have any problem with dirty bum boys.

[PemLam]

Yes, but more often than not, ecomonic issues drive these wars that have a religious front. The Lord's Resistance Army? These guys pilliage and rape, it has nothing to do with religion at all. They want the villiager's lands and will do anything to take them.

The Crusades were also more economically driven. The lords that went were more interested in the lands they would win than if the Holy Land was free. Greed is the cause of most wars, no matter the excuse. :(

I find what they're doing appalling, but the manner in which the Lords are going about their little civil war aside, their goal is to establish a Christian Theocracy whose laws are based on the Ten Commandments...or at least their warped view of them.

There are multiple reasons for the crusades depending on the personal beliefs of the person who is talking about it. Whatever ultimately started it, it had decidedly religious overtones.

[LexCorp]

I personally don't have any problem with dirty bum boys.

Yes you do lol

[Fried Gold]

Yes you do lolhttp://secretunicornsforum.com/forum/images/smiles/kidsthesedays.jpg

[Mr Sparkle]

The ultimate goal to have sex is to reproduce
Therefore homosexuality is a waste
And has no real purpose

Give me the most gorgeous women in the whole wide world and…
If she’s unable to reproduce
Then she becomes obsolete
Just another pretty thing to toss away

The real attractions for both sexes are the fact that they can reproduce and perpetuate the human race, regarding their ethnicities
As long as they can get together and makes babies
Then it is fine.

Most people are having sex just for the fun of it
Some even go transgender
It empowered to some extent and makes them fell good

Love and sex are usually a cure for the weak minded who can easily fall to temptation

A very healthy and strong body is usually equipped with a healthy mind
And therefore needs no love or affection as often as the not so healthy ones

If you ever see a very healthy and gorgeous guy or a girl with a killer body
Without companionship whatsoever
Don’t be so quick to judge them of being homosexuals
Just because they don’t need your companionship

It might be because that or this person is so healthy of mind and body that he doesn’t need the cure of love
And I guess that’s where narcissisms come in huh?!

Forget about that “God is love” thing
No!
For me
God is therefore
Creation, life, power...

I like when someone goes for "awesome" in a post and comes up with " stupid and pretentious"
" the cure of love" ahahahaha! Diamondhead, you sir, are a true idiot.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

A very healthy and strong body is usually equipped with a healthy mind
Hahaha, yes...the NFL, the NBA, Boxing, Soccer, the World Wrestling Federation, underwear modeling.........all bastions of mental health.


WTF are you talking about?

[Mr Sparkle]

the best thing is that it reads like he is CONVINCED he is right.
there's no irony in the post, and that's both the best and saddest part of it.

[jaguarr]

Hahaha, yes...the NFL, the NBA, Boxing, Soccer, the World Wrestling Federation, underwear modeling.........all bastions of mental health.


WTF are you talking about?

I smell a Nobel Prize for Physics coming this guy's way:

http://graysmatter.codivation.com/content/binary/UltimateWarriorArmTassels.jpg

jag

[Varient]

The ultimate goal to have sex is to reproduce
Therefore homosexuality is a waste
And has no real purpose

Give me the most gorgeous women in the whole wide world and…
If she’s unable to reproduce
Then she becomes obsolete
Just another pretty thing to toss away

The real attractions for both sexes are the fact that they can reproduce and perpetuate the human race, regarding their ethnicities
As long as they can get together and makes babies
Then it is fine.

Most people are having sex just for the fun of it
Some even go transgender
It empowered to some extent and makes them fell good

Love and sex are usually a cure for the weak minded who can easily fall to temptation

A very healthy and strong body is usually equipped with a healthy mind
And therefore needs no love or affection as often as the not so healthy ones

If you ever see a very healthy and gorgeous guy or a girl with a killer body
Without companionship whatsoever
Don’t be so quick to judge them of being homosexuals
Just because they don’t need your companionship

It might be because that or this person is so healthy of mind and body that he doesn’t need the cure of love
And I guess that’s where narcissisms come in huh?!

Forget about that “God is love” thing
No!
For me
God is therefore
Creation, life, power...
(Looking @ Diamondhead sideways):dry:

Try harder if you wanna start an argument.

[Varient]

I see this thread is heading into the religious debate. Before it gets there I just want to state for the record I don't care what orenitation anyone is, you like it on your side of the fence, I like it fine over here on my side.

About 7-12 pages too late.

[Concept Name]

regardless of religion, who the hell wants to see two guys making out on the street? :/

[Fried Gold]

regardless of religion, who the hell wants to see two guys making out on the street? :/YOU!

[LexCorp]

YOU!

In denial hmmm?

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I smell a Nobel Prize for Physics coming this guy's way:

http://graysmatter.codivation.com/content/binary/UltimateWarriorArmTassels.jpg

jag


Hahaha, Strong Body! Healthy Mind! YeeeEEEEAAAaahhh!!!!

[jaguarr]

Hahaha, Strong Body! Healthy Mind! YeeeEEEEAAAaahhh!!!!

Have you ever read his website? The guy is fully and completely insane. He also invents words like "foke". Very entertaining.

jag

[November Rain]

If we were all gay, wouldn't that be a bad thing in terms of keeping a sustainable human population, in the same way as if we were all males/females?

as long as it doesn't affect sustainability, i don't see it as an issue.

I guess that is where the born/choice argument really comes into it.

It may not be a bad thing but it does unfortunately still close doors and people can lead anything from a slight to impossibly difficult life because of it and the way they are treated.

so it really depends on what you consider 'bad'

[Charlie No-One]

regardless of religion, who the hell wants to see two guys making out on the street? :/

Who wants to see a guy and a girl making out on the street?

[terry78]

I guess as far as populating the earth, that's where cloning and stem cells come into play. And artificial insemination.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Who wants to see a guy and a girl making out on the street?Really. The human mouth was not designed for mutual oral massage like that. It's not natural and it spreads disease.
A man's tongue was NOT created for the purpose of penetrating a woman's mouth. It doesn't serve any purpose, so, it's wrong.

[Varient]

Who wants to see a guy and a girl making out on the street?

Depends,..
Can I take pictures so I can set up a slide show for singles w/o a clue?
Will they take direction from an outside source?

If the male or female isn't working out,.. can I swap a substitute in there?

:dry:


Seriously - I could care less about "casual" signs of affection on the street between two beings,.... I rarely see A man and woman nowadays tickling each others tonsils very far from a place they could go to privately scratch that itch.

So I'm going to say that if women as a rule don't grab and massage the package in public - gay men shouldn't either.

Same for gay women who see nothing wrong with dragging a woman over by her breasts.

(meh,.. I've seen both and imagined that on the het side it's inappropiate,... yet homosexuals as a group seem to think it's okay.)

V.

[Varient]

I guess as far as populating the earth, that's where cloning and stem cells come into play. And artificial insemination.

I request we get those working at better than fifty percent before you casually discard the old fashioned way of making people,...

Besides,.. I like the old fashioned way,.. I got a sense of,.... completion when I got my nutt and 7 to 9 months later a child arrived.

.

[Majik1387]

regardless of religion, who the hell wants to see two guys making out on the street? :/

First base doesn't bother me much from any couples, but anything past that gets annoying to me. Whether it's between gay men, lesbians, or a straight couple.

[Lando]

This thread is still alive <3

[squeekness]

First base doesn't bother me much from any couples, but anything past that gets annoying to me. Whether it's between gay men, lesbians, or a straight couple.Same here. Some things should be kept more private. :)

[bullets]

This thread is still alive <3


if your looking for people this is where eveyone is at apparently

[Noir]

^Not anymore.

[Captain_BluTac]

I am pretty shocked that there are 40 people saying "Gay" is wrong I thought more people were over it, I suppose the internet is the only place they can expose their Homophobia.

[Noir]

That saddens me :csad:

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I guess it depends where you were brought up..but homosexuality has been around since the time of the Romans.

and it wasn't frowned upon..strange how times change, of cuase the romans also didn't mind how old the people were you ****ed..so i guess i haven't given a good EG.

[WorthyStevens]

It's not my orientation, but who am I to tell someone else how to live their own life?

[Noir]

It's not my orientation, but who am I to tell someone else how to live their own life? Exactly. More people should have this out look, I can't believe there are people who still believe its "wrong."

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Exactly. More people should have this out look, I can't believe there are people who still believe its "wrong."



Like i said, its down to where and how you are brought up.

[Noir]

I'd hate to say that thats wrong, but its the truth.. some people where just well, they were brought up with dated beliefs.

[The Original Bamfer]

Like i said, its down to where and how you are brought up.

That's just an excuse. People can learn to think for themselves and move past what their parents told them.

[Showtime]

It's not only where you were brought up, it's how you were brought up. It's also a generational thing.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

That's just an excuse. People can learn to think for themselves and move past what their parents told them.



Tell that to places like Alabama...

hell some places in England..

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

It's not only where you were brought up, it's how you were brought up. It's also a generational thing.

I believe i said that.

:oldrazz:

[Noir]

Tell that to places like Alabama...

hell some places in England..People have tried, but is so ingrained into those people's heads.. I think that sometimes if those people had the chance they'd still call being black a Biblical Sin..

Alabama and the rest of the South for that matter should have stay seperate, they only make America look bad.

[Captain_BluTac]

Tell that to places like Alabama...

hell some places in England..

It's less places more social groups (other wise known as chavs).

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

It's less places more social groups (other wise known as chavs).

indeed, i believe you are right..social bullying.its not cool to have sex or fancy people of the same sex.

[Noir]

The Chavs are asshats.
They're the same thing as W-iggers.

[The Original Bamfer]

The Chavs are asshats.
They're the same thing as W-iggers.

I wouldn't be one to talk about posers if I were you.

[Noir]

When I pose its for fashion :o

[Captain_BluTac]

When I pose its for fashion :o

chavs are a more complicated social group than "W-iggers"

[Kelly]

People have tried, but is so ingrained into those people's heads.. I think that sometimes if those people had the chance they'd still call being black a Biblical Sin..

Alabama and the rest of the South for that matter should have stay seperate, they only make America look bad.


And the ignorance you show in this statement is no better than the ignorance of those that slam homosexuality..........gain some knowledge, it will help you not to make general statements....your general statement is dated, and just as dated as those that are not open to other lifestyles....

If you want to say that the "Inherent truth" belief of many Christians in the South tend to push some towards homophobic thinking....then go for it. But, the south today, is not the south of the civil war...the fact that a Huckabee did not win in South Carolina, and will not win in many other Southern States other than his own (Arkansas) will show this as well. There is a migration of different thought that is changing the mindscape of the south......

[The Senator]

And the ignorance you show in this statement is no better than the ignorance of those that slam homosexuality..........gain some knowledge, it will help you not to make general statements....your general statement is dated, and just as dated as those that are not open to other lifestyles....

If you want to say that the "Inherent truth" belief of many Christians in the South tend to push some towards homophobic thinking....then go for it. But, the south today, is not the south of the civil war...the fact that a Huckabee did not win in South Carolina, and will not win in many other Southern States other than his own (Arkansas) will show this as well. There is a migration of different thought that is changing the mindscape of the south......

Funny thing... I have a few friends from Alabama who are Republicans, but they support gay marriage. One of them even works for one of the most conservative members of the House, who has repeatedly condemned gay marriage.

No one state alone embodies hatred towards a certain group of people. You can blame South Carolina and Mississippi for slavery; blame Texas for hating gays; blame Kansas for disagreeing with evolution... but the ignorance and bigotry doesn't stop there. I know a good number of people from New York and the northeast who are adamantly against homosexuals. Bigotry isn't exclusive to one area of the country; it can be found everywhere.

[Kelly]

Funny thing... I have a few friends from Alabama who are Republicans, but they support gay marriage. One of them even works for one of the most conservative members of the House, who has repeatedly condemned gay marriage.

No one state alone embodies hatred towards a certain group of people. You can blame South Carolina and Mississippi for slavery; blame Texas for hating gays; blame Kansas for disagreeing with evolution... but the ignorance and bigotry doesn't stop there. I know a good number of people from New York and the northeast who are adamantly against homosexuals. Bigotry isn't exclusive to one area of the country; it can be found everywhere.

Very true......theres not a choice for me on this particular poll......as for myself, homosexuality is not for me.......but if others live that lifestyle....ok, cool with me.

[Captain_BluTac]

Very true......theres not a choice for me on this particular poll......as for myself, homosexuality is not for me.......but if others live that lifestyle....ok, cool with me.

Well that would probably be option 3 (indifference).

[The Original Bamfer]

Well that would probably be option 3 (indifference).

Option three says, "Its Wrong, completely. The Bible said it was." So, probably not.

[Showtime]

When I pose its for fashion :o

Somebody's been lying to you.

[Showtime]

I believe i said that.

:oldrazz:

HEH HEH. Stop trying to be like me! :yay:

[Kelly]

Well that would probably be option 3 (indifference).

Nope......that's not it.

[Captain_BluTac]

Option three says, "Its Wrong, completely. The Bible said it was." So, probably not.

Whoops you caught me out, I meant option 2.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

HEH HEH. Stop trying to be like me! :yay:



NEVAH!!!

I posted that first, you are trying to be like me.

:D

[oakzap425]

Its Wrong, man on man should never happen.


But "girl on girl" is okay? :rolleyes:

[Noir]

Everyone always over looks Girl on Girl..

[Captain_BluTac]

Everyone always over looks Girl on Girl..

Looks over or looks at?

[Noir]

Looks over or looks at?Both.

[Kelly]

Whoops you caught me out, I meant option 2.

Some people say its good for them.....I believe them.....so option 2 is not for me either...

[Mr. Socko]

Some people say its good for them.....I believe them.....so option 2 is not for me either...



Where did your vote go Kel?

[Logan's Runt]

Some people say its good for them.....I believe them.....so option 2 is not for me either...

So what's wrong with option 1? :huh:

[jaguarr]

So what's wrong with option 1? :huh:

Not a damn thing.

jag

[GoogleMe94]

yes, there is something wrong with it. Yes, the Bible says its wrong, and i think anyone in there right mind can see why, whther or not the Bible says it is or not. originally, before the Fall of man, sex was meant soley for producing children. nowadays its meant for all sorts of other wrong things, its not a Holy thing anymore, its a commodity. heck, theres even things like rape and human trafficing. and now, with the rise of the homosexual groups and its somewhat acceptance today, its gotten even worse. ppl forget that sex is meant for procreation, not just for pleasure. not that its a BAD thing to enjoy it, but when God created the world and humans, it wasnt intended for just that. nowadays, in todays world of "anything goes", ppl have made it seem perfectly fine to be gay, like its a normal thing. um no, its not, and it will never be considered normal, no matter how much ppl try to make it seem that way. its wrong, and beyond the "gross" factor, its not scientifically correct. a man and a man and a woman and a woman shouldnt be together because there is no purpose, no end result. a man and a woman get together and create a child or children. a man and a man cannot, and should not. but thats only part of the reason why its "wrong". thats not including the moral reasons, the religious reasons, etc. i know it seems im going against the majority here who are not probably very religious at all (saying your a Christian and living the Christian lifestyle are 2 completely different things), but thats my thoughts and i believe that i am right. but im not saying to HATE the person who is gay, just i dont agree with that lifestyle at all. hate the sin, not the sinner. ive stated this before in a similiar type thread, and i stand by that.

[WorthyStevens]

yes, there is something wrong with it. Yes, the Bible says its wrong, and i think anyone in there right mind can see why, whther or not the Bible says it is or not. originally, before the Fall of man, sex was meant soley for producing children. nowadays its meant for all sorts of other wrong things, its not a Holy thing anymore, its a commodity. heck, theres even things like rape and human trafficing. and now, with the rise of the homosexual groups and its somewhat acceptance today, its gotten even worse. ppl forget that sex is meant for procreation, not just for pleasure. not that its a BAD thing to enjoy it, but when God created the world and humans, it wasnt intended for just that. nowadays, in todays world of "anything goes", ppl have made it seem perfectly fine to be gay, like its a normal thing. um no, its not, and it will never be considered normal, no matter how much ppl try to make it seem that way. its wrong, and beyond the "gross" factor, its not scientifically correct. a man and a man and a woman and a woman shouldnt be together because there is not purpose, no end result. a man and a woman get toegther and create a child or children. a man and a man cannot, and should not. but thats only part of the reason why its "wrong". thats not including the moral reasons, the religious reasons, etc. i know it seems im going against the majority here who are not probably very religious at all (saying your a Christian and living the Christian lifestyle are 2 completely different things), but thats my thoughts and i believe that i am right. but im not saying to HATE the person who is gay, just i dont agree at all with that lifestyle. ive stated this before in a similiar type thread, and i stand by that.

Um, that's what you are saying though. By saying that it's not normal and talking about homosexuality as if it's a sin, you are spreading hate.

And if God just meant for sex to be for procreation, He wouldn't have made it so pleasurable.

[Logan's Runt]

yes, there is something wrong with it. Yes, the Bible says its wrong, and i think anyone in there right mind can see why, whther or not the Bible says it is or not. originally, before the Fall of man, sex was meant soley for producing children. nowadays its meant for all sorts of other wrong things, its not a Holy thing anymore, its a commodity. heck, theres even things like rape and human trafficing. and now, with the rise of the homosexual groups and its somewhat acceptance today, its gotten even worse. ppl forget that sex is meant for procreation, not just for pleasure. not that its a BAD thing to enjoy it, but when God created the world and humans, it wasnt intended for just that. nowadays, in todays world of "anything goes", ppl have made it seem perfectly fine to be gay, like its a normal thing. um no, its not, and it will never be considered normal, no matter how much ppl try to make it seem that way. its wrong, and beyond the "gross" factor, its not scientifically correct. a man and a man and a woman and a woman shouldnt be together because there is no purpose, no end result. a man and a woman get together and create a child or children. a man and a man cannot, and should not. but thats only part of the reason why its "wrong". thats not including the moral reasons, the religious reasons, etc. i know it seems im going against the majority here who are not probably very religious at all (saying your a Christian and living the Christian lifestyle are 2 completely different things), but thats my thoughts and i believe that i am right. but im not saying to HATE the person who is gay, just i dont agree at all with that lifestyle. ive stated this before in a similiar type thread, and i stand by that.

Yes because love, affection and a sense of fulfillment with another person mean nothing. The only reason for human pairing is to continue the species.

Also, your arguments would hold more water if they looked less like drunken rantings and more like reasoned, thought-out opinions.

[Mr. Socko]

He says it's wrong, it will never be considered normal and shouldn't be accepted, it's gross and nasty, but he he finishes it all off with "though I'm not saying to hate gay people."

He even starts with a "It's wrong, biblical stated or not."

I'd pull his rant apart piece by piece but I will get absolutely nowhere.

[GoogleMe94]

Um, that's what you are saying though. By saying that it's not normal and talking about homosexuality as if it's a sin, you are spreading hate.

im not spreading hate, im spreading Truth. whether you understand, or want to understand this truth is up to you.

And if God just meant for sex to be for procreation, He wouldn't have made it so pleasurable.


:whatever: please try to be smart for just one second. actually think about it. God wants ppl to create other humans beings to populate the world. that is why he made sex an important factor in life. he didnt make it to abuse it, he created a purpose for it. birth control, condoms, etc, those are all very wrong. ppl have taken what is supposed to be a lifecreating joyous Holy experience and turning it into a commodity for evil intentions and purposes. very VERY sad, and pathetic. take the porn industry as the #1 example of this, but that is only 1 in a million ways man has corrupted what should be a blessing and turned it into a curse. abortion is one of thw worst crimes against humanity, not unlike the Holocaust. million died during that time, and millions are dieing today, without haveing to even be born yet! horrendous.

[jaguarr]

yes, there is something wrong with it. Yes, the Bible says its wrong, and i think anyone in there right mind can see why, whther or not the Bible says it is or not. originally, before the Fall of man, sex was meant soley for producing children. nowadays its meant for all sorts of other wrong things, its not a Holy thing anymore, its a commodity. heck, theres even things like rape and human trafficing. and now, with the rise of the homosexual groups and its somewhat acceptance today, its gotten even worse. ppl forget that sex is meant for procreation, not just for pleasure. not that its a BAD thing to enjoy it, but when God created the world and humans, it wasnt intended for just that. nowadays, in todays world of "anything goes", ppl have made it seem perfectly fine to be gay, like its a normal thing. um no, its not, and it will never be considered normal, no matter how much ppl try to make it seem that way. its wrong, and beyond the "gross" factor, its not scientifically correct. a man and a man and a woman and a woman shouldnt be together because there is no purpose, no end result. a man and a woman get toegther and create a child or children. a man and a man cannot, and should not. but thats only part of the reason why its "wrong". thats not including the moral reasons, the religious reasons, etc. i know it seems im going against the majority here who are not probably very religious at all (saying your a Christian and living the Christian lifestyle are 2 completely different things), but thats my thoughts and i believe that i am right. but im not saying to HATE the person who is gay, just i dont agree at all with that lifestyle. ive stated this before in a similiar type thread, and i stand by that.

Sex was never JUST for procreation and if you believe that it ever was then you are delusional. People have been ****ing for fun since the day they figured out that it feels good. There are also plenty of instances of homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom, so there goes that "it's not natural" theory. Sorry. And did you just try to link human trafficking and rape to homosexuality? :huh: :down

You may not feel being gay is normal, but for some people it is. Just because your beliefs stem from a particular religious sect doesn't make them any more valid than anyone elses on this planet. Period. Why anyone cares whether someone else loves people of the same sex or not is absolutely beyond me. It affects no one but the people who do so and strikes me more as "believe what I believe or you're a bad person who is going to hell" noseyness in other people's affairs than it does a genuine concern for anyone but one's self. Quit pushing your own morals on others and just worry about yourself.

jag

[Anguissette1979]

God wants ppl to create other humans beings to populate the world. that is why he made sex an important factor in life. he didnt make it to abuse it, he created a purpose for it. birth control, condoms, etc, those are all very wrong.

So what happens if everyone procreates until their heart is content and then there is famine because there isn't enough food to feed the billions and billions of people? Please don't just tell me that if they pray about it everything will be ok... :rolleyes:

[GoogleMe94]

He says it's wrong, it will never be considered normal and shouldn't be accepted, it's gross and nasty, but he he finishes it all off with "though I'm not saying to hate gay people."

He even starts with a "It's wrong, biblical stated or not."

I'd pull his rant apart piece by piece but I will get absolutely nowhere.


thank you for not doing so, because your breath would be wasted and you'd still be completely wrong. i dont expect to get anywhere with you ppl as most of you are just unreachable anyways. like they say, dont preach to the deaf. but i didnt come here to preach, i came here to state my opinion. i have an uncle who is gay, best guy in the world, but hes gay, and noone in my family really likes that or accepts that. but we still visit him and think hes one of the nicest coolest guys we know. we dont hate him at ALL, just dont like his lifestyle.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

If anything, we should slow down on populating the world...

If god is the creater and everything we do is influenced by him, then God meant for people to be gay, cause he made them that way.

[GoogleMe94]

So what happens if everyone procreates until their heart is content and then there is famine because there isn't enough food to feed the billions and billions of people? Please don't just tell me that if they pray about it everything will be ok... :rolleyes:


:whatever: you.....are in lala land. but thanks for trying to comment, even if it was rather stupid.

[WorthyStevens]

im not spreading hate, im spreading Truth. whether you understand, or want to understand this truth is up to you.

How chummy are you and God, by the way?

:whatever: please try to be smart for just one second. actually think about it. God wants ppl to create other humans beings to populate the world. that is why he made sex an important factor in life. he didnt make it to abuse it, he created a purpose for it. birth control, condoms, etc, those are all very wrong. ppl have taken what is supposed to be a lifecreating joyous Holy experience and turning it into a commodity for evil intentions and purposes. very VERY sad, and pathetic. take the porn industry as the #1 example of this, but that is only 1 in a million ways man has corrupted what should be a blessing and turned it into a curse. abortion is one of thw worst crimes against humanity, not unlike the Holocaust. million died during that time, and millions are dieing today, without haveing to even be born yet! horrendous.

You can talk about being smart once you stop making comparisons between sex and the Holocaust. :huh: :down

[Kelly]

you.....are in lala land. but thanks for trying to comment, even if it was rather stupid.



Google, that is a rude reply, you reply like that again....you will be infracted...

I suggest that you tone the posts down quickly.....

[jaguarr]

thank you for not doing so, because your breath would be wasted and you'd still be completely wrong. i dont expect to get anywhere with you ppl as most of you are just unreachable anyways. like they say, dont preach to the deaf. but i didnt come here to preach, i came here to state my opinion. i have an uncle who is gay, best guy in the world, but hes gay, and noone in my family really likes that or accepts that. but we still visit him and think hes one of the nicest coolest guys we know. we dont hate him at ALL, just dont like his lifestyle.


See, this is what disgusts me most about your position; you basically find ways to justify your own bigotry by saying "I can condemn it because I'm pretty sure GOD doesn't like it, which means it's okay to condemn it". How horribly arrogant and pious; finding ways to justify hate-mongering of other human beings and elevate yourself above them by claiming your God said it was okay with absolutely no consideration or validation of anyone else's beliefs or morals. :down

jag

[The Senator]

im not spreading hate, im spreading Truth. whether you understand, or want to understand this truth is up to you.




:whatever: please try to be smart for just one second. actually think about it. God wants ppl to create other humans beings to populate the world. that is why he made sex an important factor in life. he didnt make it to abuse it, he created a purpose for it. birth control, condoms, etc, those are all very wrong. ppl have taken what is supposed to be a lifecreating joyous Holy experience and turning it into a commodity for evil intentions and purposes. very VERY sad, and pathetic. take the porn industry as the #1 example of this, but that is only 1 in a million ways man has corrupted what should be a blessing and turned it into a curse. abortion is one of thw worst crimes against humanity, not unlike the Holocaust. million died during that time, and millions are dieing today, without haveing to even be born yet! horrendous.

Ha! Comparing abortion to the holocaust!

Woo.

GoogleMe, you so crazy!

[Mr. Socko]

thank you for not doing so, because your breath would be wasted and you'd still be completely wrong. i dont expect to get anywhere with you ppl as most of you are just unreachable anyways. like they say, dont preach to the deaf. but i didnt come here to preach, i came here to state my opinion. i have an uncle who is gay, best guy in the world, but hes gay, and noone in my family really likes that or accepts that. but we still visit him and think hes one of the nicest coolest guys we know. we dont hate him at ALL, just dont like his lifestyle.

It is at this point where I really would like to just bash you with a few statements that would only have me banned at the end of the day but it's not worth it when arguing with falsely led, and misguided, people full of hatred such as yourself. And of'course I l love your droll little way of ending all of your posts in this thread with the token "I don't hate them, just what they do so you can't say anything bad to me," line, all in a different way each time. And at the end of the day, as hurtful as some of you come off, I can't let it phase me when, on the contrary, you are the one quite wrong, indeed.

[The Senator]

yes, there is something wrong with it. Yes, the Bible says its wrong, and i think anyone in there right mind can see why, whther or not the Bible says it is or not. originally, before the Fall of man, sex was meant soley for producing children. nowadays its meant for all sorts of other wrong things, its not a Holy thing anymore, its a commodity. heck, theres even things like rape and human trafficing. and now, with the rise of the homosexual groups and its somewhat acceptance today, its gotten even worse. ppl forget that sex is meant for procreation, not just for pleasure. not that its a BAD thing to enjoy it, but when God created the world and humans, it wasnt intended for just that. nowadays, in todays world of "anything goes", ppl have made it seem perfectly fine to be gay, like its a normal thing. um no, its not, and it will never be considered normal, no matter how much ppl try to make it seem that way. its wrong, and beyond the "gross" factor, its not scientifically correct. a man and a man and a woman and a woman shouldnt be together because there is no purpose, no end result. a man and a woman get together and create a child or children. a man and a man cannot, and should not. but thats only part of the reason why its "wrong". thats not including the moral reasons, the religious reasons, etc. i know it seems im going against the majority here who are not probably very religious at all (saying your a Christian and living the Christian lifestyle are 2 completely different things), but thats my thoughts and i believe that i am right. but im not saying to HATE the person who is gay, just i dont agree with that lifestyle at all. hate the sin, not the sinner. ive stated this before in a similiar type thread, and i stand by that.

My boyfriend and I plan to openly adopt a child after we are done with school, married, and settled into our careers.

Open adoption means that the child will be able to interact with the mother, which we feel is necessary in early childhood development.

Two men can be excellent parents. I know of a gay couple who have been together for about twenty years. They have an eleven year old adopted daughter-- most likely saved from the abortions you so adamantly oppose. They've raised her to be "normal" by your standards, and she has a variety of motherly figures in her life (I don't know if she sees the mother on a regular basis; I haven't asked that).

On the other hand, I know more kids with heterosexual parents whose parents have divorced, remarried, and-- in some cases-- repeated the process again and again. I don't understand why homosexuals are destroying the face of the American family, when the 'heterosexual traditions' of one man, one woman, and 2.5 kids is falling apart before our very eyes.

Family doesn't have a gender-related science to it. The only science it involves is love and devotion. And as long as you have that, any family can succeed. Children raised by gay parents don't grow up to resent their fathers or mothers, and they don't develop radical values because of it. People who say this obviously don't know any gay families firsthand.

[The Senator]

thank you for not doing so, because your breath would be wasted and you'd still be completely wrong. i dont expect to get anywhere with you ppl as most of you are just unreachable anyways. like they say, dont preach to the deaf. but i didnt come here to preach, i came here to state my opinion. i have an uncle who is gay, best guy in the world, but hes gay, and noone in my family really likes that or accepts that. but we still visit him and think hes one of the nicest coolest guys we know. we dont hate him at ALL, just dont like his lifestyle.

Then... leave? Please?

[Gilpesh]

I like how people throw around the word choice like it actually changes the facts that homosexuality is from birth.

[knowsbleed]

edit...wrong thread

[Majik1387]

Why oh why was this thread bumped?:csad:

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Children raised by gay parents don't grow up to resent their fathers or mothers, and they don't develop radical values because of it. People who say this obviously don't know any gay families firsthand.

Don't know about your location, but here, in a British working class area, a kid going through school with two dads would get the utter piss taken out of him and hypothetically, who knows, cause resentment, because of flack brought on by two male gay parents, depression or what not, but i don't know gay parents, only how people round this area act, which is bigoted and pretty cruel, kids, teenagers, there little bastards, if there's an opportunity to belittle, they will take it.

[Kelly]

Why oh why was this thread bumped?:csad:


*sighs* My sentiments exactly.......

Would it surprise anyone to know that it was Noir......after 2.5 months of being dormant.......

[BatMatt]

absolutely not

[The Senator]

Don't know about your location, but here, in a British working class area, a kid going through school with two dads would get the utter piss taken out of him and hypothetically, who knows, cause resentment, because of flack brought on by two male gay parents, depression or what not, but i don't know gay parents, only how people round this area act, which is bigoted and pretty cruel, kids, teenagers, there little bastards, if there's an opportunity to belittle, they will take it.

And that's a reason why gay couples shouldn't have children?

My boyfriend and I are smart enough not to go to a place where we'd see the 'utter piss' kicked out of us or our child(ren). Though this isn't an attack on a particular state/ region, you wouldn't see us relocate to a place in the south where homosexuality is generally looked down upon.

It also has to do with our work. Being liberal politicos, those places wouldn't make sense, anyway.

While I have no idea where we'll end up, it depends on where the work takes us. We'll most likely end up in the Northeast or the West Coast, where our peaceful existence won't be threatened as much as it would in other locations.

[Mr. Socko]

Don't know about your location, but here, in a British working class area, a kid going through school with two dads would get the utter piss taken out of him and hypothetically, who knows, cause resentment, because of flack brought on by two male gay parents, depression or what not, but i don't know gay parents, only how people round this area act, which is bigoted and pretty cruel, kids, teenagers, there little bastards, if there's an opportunity to belittle, they will take it.


Would you as well?

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Would you as well?

Thats a pretty personal question.
I don't know, with peer pressure or risk of being excluded, ridiculed myself or going against the masses and so fourth, as a young teen kid, yea, perhaps.

[Mr. Socko]

But how about now...as an adult, are you accepting of those that are gay?

[The Senator]

Thats a pretty personal question.
I don't know, with peer pressure or risk of being excluded, ridiculed myself or going against the masses and so fourth, as a young teen kid, yea, perhaps.

And this is the kind of thing which continues that sort of tradition.

If someone had the balls to stand up and defend some of these kids, maybe that kind of childish nonsense would gradually come to an end.

What kind of a person does that make you?

[Kelly]

And this is the kind of thing which continues that sort of tradition.

If someone had the balls to stand up and defend some of these kids, maybe that kind of childish nonsense would gradually come to an end.

What kind of a person does that make you?


It makes him honest in answering someone's question.....

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

What kind of a person does that make you?

Human.

[Mr. Socko]

It makes him honest in answering someone's question.....

Yes, I quite appreciate him telling the truth, though I have the feeling Kez's vote goes to "wrong" but I'm not here to change anyone's mind.

But you still haven't told me, where does your vote go Kel? I'm just wondering:meow:

[Kelly]

Yes, I quite appreciate him telling the truth.

But you still haven't told me, where does your vote go Kel? I'm just wondering:meow:

I did, I said theres not a spot for me on the poll....

As for me living the lifestyle, no, its not for me.......but for others its all good as far as I'm concerned......I have friends that are gay.....and I love them like brothers.......its just not an issue of any kind....

[Logan's Runt]

I did, I said theres not a spot for me on the poll....

As for me living the lifestyle, no, its not for me.......but for others its all good as far as I'm concerned......I have friends that are gay.....and I love them like brothers.......its just not an issue of any kind....

So why doesn't the first option fit? :huh:

[Mr. Socko]

I did, I said theres not a spot for me on the poll....

As for me living the lifestyle, no, its not for me.......but for others its all good as far as I'm concerned......I have friends that are gay.....and I love them like brothers.......its just not an issue of any kind....


Ah thanks for answering(i'd say that fits in the first option though), but if only more people were of this mindset.

I like you as a friend Kel:woot::heart:

[The Senator]

It makes him honest in answering someone's question.....

It does make him honest. But I expect people to be honest when they answer questions like this.

I don't care if he's Honest Abe Lincoln. I want to know what kind of person it makes him to treat people like the scum of the earth because he doesn't want his friends to pick on him.

This is why some kids kill themselves. Because people won't stand up for them. And it speaks volumes when someone says that he'll stand by his friends, who are beating the snot out of these kids because of their orientation or their parents orientation, when he may or may not think that way.

It disappoints me to think that so many kids end up terrorized on a daily basis, for a variety of issues. They think there's no one there for them, no group for them to join, and that it will continue this way forever. That's why so many kids kill themselves in high school. To think that there may be someone out there willing to swallow his pride and stand up for a troubled kid like this--but they don't so because they didn't want to lose the respect of their friends--bothers me immensely.

[The Senator]

Human.

Not the word I'd use.

[Gilpesh]

So why doesn't the first option fit? :huh:

I ditto that :huh:

The first option seems like it.

[Kelly]

It does make him honest. But I expect people to be honest when they answer questions like this.

I don't care if he's Honest Abe Lincoln. I want to know what kind of person it makes him to treat people like the scum of the earth because he doesn't want his friends to pick on him.

This is why some kids kill themselves. Because people won't stand up for them. And it speaks volumes when someone says that he'll stand by his friends, who are beating the snot out of these kids because of their orientation or their parents orientation, when he may or may not think that way. Ya know I'd like to think I would make the decision to stand up, but depending on the odds......who knows. Right or wrong there could be more variables than you or I would ever know........

It disappoints me to think that so many kids end up terrorized on a daily basis, for a variety of issues. They think there's no one there for them, no group for them to join, and that it will continue this way forever. That's why so many kids kill themselves in high school. To think that there may be someone out there willing to swallow his pride and stand up for a troubled kid like this--but they don't so because they didn't want to lose the respect of their friends--bothers me immensely.

True......I teach these kids every day.......more and more they are standing up for others......but #1. He has not been in a situation yet, where he has to make a decision.....#2. He was speculating on his decision...#3. When a kid is in a situation where he will get his ass seriously kicked for speaking up......who the hell are we to say that he/she is wrong for staying silent. It is freaking kid......that is ridiculous....and just as judgemental as those that have judged homosexuals on this thread. That pisses me off to no end going BOTH WAYS.......damn ridiculous.

[Kelly]

Ah thanks for answering(i'd say that fits in the first option though), but if only more people were of this mindset.

I like you as a friend Kel:woot::heart:


Backatcha.....and yeah #1 could fit I guess......

[The Senator]

True......I teach these kids every day.......more and more they are standing up for others......but #1. He has not been in a situation yet, where he has to make a decision.....#2. He was speculating on his decision...#3. When a kid is in a situation where he will get his ass seriously kicked for speaking up......who the hell are we to say that he/she is wrong for staying silent. It is freaking kid......that is ridiculous....and just as judgemental as those that have judged homosexuals on this thread.

I never came out in high school because of this. Why? Because I witnessed the sort of abuse which went on towards other homosexuals in my school.

It is emotionally damaging.

It is disgusting.

And those who are willing to stand around and call gay students "****" or analyze every action of a kid and compare it to his or her sexuality is disturbing, kid or not.

I got my ass kicked once for defending one of my gay friends. But it was worth it, letting him know that there was someone willing to stand up for him, someone who wasn't willing to let those douches who practically ran the school's social scene act like total asses towards him.

If it makes me judgmental, fine. I'll take that label, and I'll wear it proudly on my goddamned forehead for all I care.

[teseract]

Human.
Yes, yes, cowardice is sadly a very human thing.

[Kelly]

I never came out in high school because of this. Why? Because I witnessed the sort of abuse which went on towards other homosexuals in my school.

It is emotionally damaging.

It is disgusting.

And those who are willing to stand around and call gay students "****" or analyze every action of a kid and compare it to his or her sexuality is disturbing, kid or not.

I got my ass kicked once for defending one of my gay friends. But it was worth it, letting him know that there was someone willing to stand up for him, someone who wasn't willing to let those douches who practically ran the school's social scene act like total asses towards him.

If it makes me judgmental, fine. I'll take that label, and I'll wear it proudly on my goddamned forehead for all I care.

Because he was gay or because he was a friend......judging people over something that "could" happen is crazy....here is a kid that simply was honest............and you (whether you meant to or not) pounced on him.....how is that teaching him anything?.....

Ya know how the kids at my school, who are gay....rose above the judgment of them.........they got involved in school.....they were "students", "friends", "involved".........and they showed their classmates that ya know......my sexual orientation maybe something that you agree or disagree with........but I don't EXPECT you to agree with me, I EXPECT you respect me for who I am......and ya know what....it works. These kids are top athletes, top in school government, class favorites.....because they don't expect everyone to agree with them, they stand up for themselves, whether anyone is standing next to them.....but when the chips are down.......people would stand up for them.....they are kids........thats how I see them.......thats how they see each other.....

Are there some that totally disagree, and look down upon them.....sure.....quite a few.......but they don't judge them......they move past them.

[The Senator]

Because he was gay or because he was a friend......judging people over something that "could" happen is crazy....here is a kid that simply was honest............and you (whether you meant to or not) pounced on him.....how is that teaching him anything?.....

I didn't pounce on him. I asked him what kind of a person it made him to stand by and do nothing.

I pounced on the idea that it's okay for him to do this because he's a kid.

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

I don't care if he's Honest Abe Lincoln. I want to know what kind of person it makes him to treat people like the scum of the earth because he doesn't want his friends to pick on him.


I think it has more to do with human nature, as in, self interest which I believe is natural and inherent in all of us, and, when it comes to the long term greater good or our own personal immediate need, I'd bet the majority of the time, yourself sir by default, the latter would be chosen, you, yourself being gay as I believe you aforementioned, it being more socially acceptable, serves your self interest, you benefit from it.

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

I pounced on the idea that it's okay for him to do this because he's a kid.

I never said it was "ok", I just didn't want to blow smoke up mrsocko's arse with naive idealistic horse ****.

[Kelly]

I didn't pounce on him. I asked him what kind of a person it made him to stand by and do nothing.

I pounced on the idea that it's okay for him to do this because he's a kid.


I don't think "not standing up for someone" is ever...ok.......but if thats the choice someone is going to make.......I'm not going to judge them as "cowardice" for it........I will teach my kids by my actions, not my judgement.

[Superhobo]

yes, there is something wrong with it. Yes, the Bible says its wrong, and i think anyone in there right mind can see why, whther or not the Bible says it is or not. originally, before the Fall of man, sex was meant soley for producing children. nowadays its meant for all sorts of other wrong things, its not a Holy thing anymore, its a commodity. heck, theres even things like rape and human trafficing. and now, with the rise of the homosexual groups and its somewhat acceptance today, its gotten even worse. ppl forget that sex is meant for procreation, not just for pleasure. not that its a BAD thing to enjoy it, but when God created the world and humans, it wasnt intended for just that. nowadays, in todays world of "anything goes", ppl have made it seem perfectly fine to be gay, like its a normal thing. um no, its not, and it will never be considered normal, no matter how much ppl try to make it seem that way. its wrong, and beyond the "gross" factor, its not scientifically correct. a man and a man and a woman and a woman shouldnt be together because there is no purpose, no end result. a man and a woman get together and create a child or children. a man and a man cannot, and should not. but thats only part of the reason why its "wrong". thats not including the moral reasons, the religious reasons, etc. i know it seems im going against the majority here who are not probably very religious at all (saying your a Christian and living the Christian lifestyle are 2 completely different things), but thats my thoughts and i believe that i am right. but im not saying to HATE the person who is gay, just i dont agree with that lifestyle at all. hate the sin, not the sinner. ive stated this before in a similiar type thread, and i stand by that.

I'll say what I said to moviefan: where in the Bible did Jesus H. Christ himself condemn homosexuality? 'Cause, as far as I know, he said bubcus on the issue.

Where it is mentioned, it says two verses above that we should stone a woman to death if she doesn't scream loud enough while being raped. Twelve or so verses before that, it tells us to stone our disobedient children. This is in Leviticus, by the way. The same book that tells us that women in the midst of their monthly cycle are 'unclean,' and that anyone who touches them is unclean as well. It also tells us that leprosy can grow on clothes and houses. So. :o

When it is mentioned in the NT, it's by Paul, a women-hater if ever there was one and, by admission of noted Christian theologian John H. Yoger himself, the start of the downfall of Christianity. And even then, the original translated verse doesn't mention homosexuals, but fornicators.

I've done my research, where it's obvious you haven't.



So STFU.

[Majik1387]

Superhobo......I love you. In a non-gay way.:yay:

[Superhobo]

Superhobo......I love you. In a non-gay way.:yay:

http://www.graphittidesigns.com/shop/files/images_backup/DanteRandalPoster.jpg

[Majik1387]

http://www.graphittidesigns.com/shop/files/images_backup/DanteRandalPoster.jpg

I'm Randal.:o

[Golgo-13]

I'll say what I said to moviefan: where in the Bible did Jesus H. Christ himself condemn homosexuality? 'Cause, as far as I know, he said bubcus on the issue.

Where it is mentioned, it says two verses above that we should stone a woman to death if she doesn't scream loud enough while being raped. Twelve or so verses before that, it tells us to stone our disobedient children. This is in Leviticus, by the way. The same book that tells us that women in the midst of their monthly cycle are 'unclean,' and that anyone who touches them is unclean as well. It also tells us that leprosy can grow on clothes and houses. So. :o

When it is mentioned in the NT, it's by Paul, a women-hater if ever there was one and, by admission of noted Christian theologian John H. Yoger himself, the start of the downfall of Christianity. And even then, the original translated verse doesn't mention homosexuals, but fornicators.

I've done my research, where it's obvious you haven't.



So STFU.

I agree with everything you said. The bible itself is full of holes. In fact i think it's been altered over the ages..but that's another thread.

Anyhow, i for one don't care what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes, i just don't want it pushed in my face via tv, parades and talkshows.

[Kelly]

I'll say what I said to moviefan: where in the Bible did Jesus H. Christ himself condemn homosexuality? 'Cause, as far as I know, he said bubcus on the issue.

Where it is mentioned, it says two verses above that we should stone a woman to death if she doesn't scream loud enough while being raped. Twelve or so verses before that, it tells us to stone our disobedient children. This is in Leviticus, by the way. The same book that tells us that women in the midst of their monthly cycle are 'unclean,' and that anyone who touches them is unclean as well. It also tells us that leprosy can grow on clothes and houses. So. :o

When it is mentioned in the NT, it's by Paul, a women-hater if ever there was one and, by admission of noted Christian theologian John H. Yoger himself, the start of the downfall of Christianity. And even then, the original translated verse doesn't mention homosexuals, but fornicators.

I've done my research, where it's obvious you haven't.






Chill out......

[Mister Sinister]

I agree with everything you said. The bible itself is full of holes. In fact i think it's been altered over the ages..but that's another thread.

Sometimes you just have to turn to a fictional President of the United States to sum it all up.

"Chapter and verse. I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I had you here. I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She's a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, and always clears the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be? While thinking about that, can I ask another? My Chief of Staff, LeoO McGarry, insists on working on the Sabbath, Exodus 35:2, clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police? Here's one that's really important, 'cause we've got a lot of sports fans in this town. Touching the skin of a dead pig makes us unclean, Leviticus 11:7. If they promise to wear gloves, can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point? Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother, John, for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads? Think about those questions, would you? One last thing, while you may be mistaking this for your monthly meeting of the Ignorant Tightass Club, in this building, when the President stands, nobody sits."

Bartlet '08

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

But how about now...as an adult, are you accepting of those that are gay?

The child thing was hypothetical, it never happened and it was a perhaps, not definite.

As an adult, no, no hate on anyone who is a homosexual, accepting?
Depends really, cant really say a solid yes or no, the image of two men having sex doesn't feel too great if that helps your feeling.

[Superhobo]

Chill out......

Why? :huh:

[Kelly]

Why? :huh:


Telling someone to STFU is not acceptable.......

[Captain_BluTac]

Actually Kel I was wondering shouldn't this kind of stuff be in the politics section?

[Kelly]

Actually Kel I was wondering shouldn't this kind of stuff be in the politics section?

Not unless there is legislation up about it.....for most in here, its not a political thing, its either a religious thing, or a lifestyle thing........NOW, if we are talking same sex marriage legislation that is up in several states....then thats a different thing so possibly.....not sure how Malice would feel about it though........I may be the mod titled there, but its really his baby.

[Captain_BluTac]

Oh okay I just wasn't exactly sure.

[Superhobo]

Telling someone to STFU is not acceptable.......

Why? :huh:

[Kelly]

Why? :huh:


I'm not going to sit here and debate this with you.....lol it is rude, crude, and not acceptable here.......so don't do it anymore. It doesn't make your point any more credible, or more intellectual......doesn't even make it louder. :cwink:

[Superhobo]

I'm not going to sit here and debate this with you.....lol it is rude, crude, and not acceptable here.......so don't do it anymore. It doesn't make your point any more credible, or more intellectual......doesn't even make it louder. :cwink:

I didn't ask you to.

It wasn't supposed to.


What's the confusion here? As far as I know, telling someone to STFU hasn't ever been against policy. :huh:

[Kelly]

I'm not debating the issue, don't do it again.

[Superhobo]

I'm not debating the issue, don't do it again.

So, answer my question. When did 'STFU' become against policy?


Just wondering.

[Kelly]

Consider it flaming.......any other questions take them to PM.....

[Hunter Rider]

So, answer my question. When did 'STFU' become against policy?


Just wondering.

We both know what it stands for, thus flaming.

[Mr. Socko]

The child thing was hypothetical, it never happened and it was a perhaps, not definite.

As an adult, no, no hate on anyone who is a homosexual, accepting?
Depends really, cant really say a solid yes or no, the image of two men having sex doesn't feel too great if that helps your feeling.

Okay, I understand what you're saying. As long as we can all respect each other, no problems.

[Bill]

The child thing was hypothetical, it never happened and it was a perhaps, not definite.

As an adult, no, no hate on anyone who is a homosexual, accepting?
Depends really, cant really say a solid yes or no, the image of two men having sex doesn't feel too great if that helps your feeling.


The bothersome "images of two men having sex" is society's programming acting itself on you. Society being your peers, parents and any influence that was placed on you by various ideologies.

The issue is, really, can we outgrow the limitations of acceptance that society has placed upon us when confronting an idea that is outside our individually accepted norms.

What I think is sad is that we are still referring to homosexuality as a "lifestyle." While for a very few people, that may be the case, for the mast majority, that is what they are. Heterosexuality is a description of the sexual mindset of an individual. I don't see it as a "lifestyle." That term tends to degrade it as a fad or something that changes with time or outside influence. For most homosexuals, it is what they are. It is, for them, no different or unnatural than the thoughts we have for the opposite sex. The image of two members of the same sex engaging in intimacy shouldn't be an issue as to whether or not it is accepted. It doesn't hurt, hinder or otherwise impede any life, liberty or pursuit of happiness of anybody. At the very least accept it, even if you don't like the images it produces.

[Kelly]

The bothersome "images of two men having sex" is society's programming acting itself on you. Society being your peers, parents and any influence that was placed on you by various ideologies.

The issue is, really, can we outgrow the limitations of acceptance that society has placed upon us when confronting an idea that is outside our individually accepted norms.

What I think is sad is that we are still referring to homosexuality as a "lifestyle." While for a very few people, that may be the case, for the mast majority, that is what they are. Heterosexuality is a description of the sexual mindset of an individual. I don't see it as a "lifestyle." That term tends to degrade it as a fad or something that changes with time or outside influence. For most homosexuals, it is what they are. It is, for them, no different or unnatural than the thoughts we have for the opposite sex. The image of two members of the same sex engaging in intimacy shouldn't be an issue as to whether or not it is accepted. It doesn't hurt, hinder or otherwise impede any life, liberty or pursuit of happiness of anybody. At the very least accept it, even if you don't like the images it produces.

No...no.......it does hinder my pursuit of happiness.......because some start threads like this....KNOWING that this topic will lead to not so nice things, and for some reason.......they love putting the mods through that.:csad: But, other than that....no, don't really care what sex anyone's significant other is.......

[unstoppable]

How many times has this been done?

[Kelly]

TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many to count.....

[Superhobo]

No...no.......it does hinder my pursuit of happiness.......because some start threads like this....KNOWING that this topic will lead to not so nice things, and for some reason.......they love putting the mods through that.:csad: But, other than that....no, don't really care what sex anyone's significant other is.......

But isn't that your job, though? :huh:

[Kelly]

But isn't that your job, though? :huh:


Quoting you...............":whatever:".......:cwink:

[Captain_BluTac]

TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many to count.....

But that just shows the need of these threads.

[Kelly]

But that just shows the need of these threads.


No, it means people don't do searches anymore......

[Bill]

No, it means people don't do searches anymore......


Or the last one, like so many such threads, got inexplicably deleted.

[Kelly]

Or the last one, like so many such threads, got inexplicably deleted.

If people could discuss the topic with respect........then they would not get closed.....and no, its not deleted......just taken away.:cwink:

[Yurka]

First off I have a few gay friends, and I have absolutely no problem with them. Second, I believe that no one is born gay, I believe something happens early in his/her life that causes their sexual orientation to change. I cant say I approve of homosexuality but I really dont have anything wrong with it. i.e. do your own thing.

[Bill]

If people could discuss the topic with respect........then they would not get closed.....and no, its not deleted......just taken away.:cwink:


So we "take away" the topic instead of the people? I've seen rather large threads get "taken away" over the comments of a few people. Threads that contained a great deal of respectable discussion.

But I digress. The "taken away" threads don't show up on searches.

[Majik1387]

First off I have a few gay friends, and I have absolutely no problem with them. Second, I believe that no one is born gay, I believe something happens early in his/her life that causes their sexual orientation to change. I cant say I approve of homosexuality but I really dont have anything wrong with it. i.e. do your own thing.

:whatever:

And the whole I have "so and so friends" is not a plausible argument.

[Kelly]

Damn that was fast....lmao.

[Captain_BluTac]

First off I have a few gay friends, and I have absolutely no problem with them. Second, I believe that no one is born gay, I believe something happens early in his/her life that causes their sexual orientation to change. I cant say I approve of homosexuality but I really dont have anything wrong with it. i.e. do your own thing.

While that's not 100% what most people want to hear it's better than hating people.

[Gilpesh]

First off I have a few gay friends, and I have absolutely no problem with them. Second, I believe that no one is born gay, I believe something happens early in his/her life that causes their sexual orientation to change. I cant say I approve of homosexuality but I really dont have anything wrong with it. i.e. do your own thing.

Of course it is. Because you've highly researched all the findings and have dismissed the evidence that proves otherwise.

[JP]

:/...

[Bill]

First off I have a few gay friends, and I have absolutely no problem with them. Second, I believe that no one is born gay, I believe something happens early in his/her life that causes their sexual orientation to change. I cant say I approve of homosexuality but I really dont have anything wrong with it. i.e. do your own thing.

Since it has been shown that people are born homosexual, in much the same way you were born heterosexual, can you change your beliefs in the face of hard evidence?

The only subset of people that I have found who deny this evidence are those of a particular religious persuasion and have an agenda that is not in the least bit scientific.

[Captain_BluTac]

Of course it is. Because you've highly researched all the findings and have dismissed the evidence that proves otherwise.

I personally believe that it is more complicated than that admittedly I am not one to talk, but things as complicated as sexuality have to have more diverse reasons than some form of trauma.

[Kelly]

Instead of just saying "since it has been shown that...."

Show these people that proof......

You saying it, might not make it so for them.........


So show it....

[JP]

Can't it be said that some may have been born that way and some have not.. must it be one or the other? I mean, I'm gay but I definitely wasn't born that way.

[Kelly]

Oh wow.......now this will be interesting.......




*sits back*

[JP]

Oh wow.......now this will be interesting.......




*sits back*

LOL. :oldrazz:

[Majik1387]

JP, you were born gay before I online-met you.:o

[Kelly]

LOL. :oldrazz:


Hey, I'm just here to learn, and keep the peace.......:cwink:

[Yurka]

Since it has been shown that people are born homosexual, in much the same way you were born heterosexual, can you change your beliefs in the face of hard evidence?

The only subset of people that I have found who deny this evidence are those of a particular religious persuasion and have an agenda that is not in the least bit scientific.

Can you show me this evidence? Im not a religious person either, I just think nobody is born homosexual.

[Majik1387]

Can you show me this evidence? Im not a religious person either, I just think nobody is born homosexual.
Yo, whats up? :o
Gay guy here with no traumatic event.:o

[Captain_BluTac]

Hey, I'm just here to learn, and keep the peace.......:cwink:

It's funny but no gay person can get mad with Kel I blame the Julie Andrews and Carol Burnett avvy.

:cwink:

[Superhobo]

Can you show me this evidence? Im not a religious person either, I just think nobody is born homosexual.

http://www.gayprocon.org/bin/procon/procon.cgi?database=4.%20Issues.db&command=viewone&id=3&op=t

[Yurka]

Of course it is. Because you've highly researched all the findings and have dismissed the evidence that proves otherwise.
As I said, show me conclusive evidence. Even then, its still an opinion, I dont think anyone is born homosexual.

[Captain_BluTac]

Yo, whats up? :o
Gay guy here with no traumatic event.:o

Show-off LOL.

[Mr. Socko]

Can you show me this evidence? Im not a religious person either, I just think nobody is born homosexual.


So everyone is born heterosexual? What could happen early in someone's life to make their sexual orientation change, what did you have in mind?

[Kelly]

Hmmmmmm, I think it may take more than that Majik.......just a thought.

[Kelly]

It's funny but no gay person can get mad with Kel I blame the Julie Andrews and Carol Burnett avvy.

:cwink:


Ya, know........I have had fewer problems since getting this avvy.......you may actually be on to something....lol

[Yurka]

Yo, whats up? :o
Gay guy here with no traumatic event.:o
Cool man. :up:

[Yurka]

So everyone is born heterosexual? What could happen early in someone's life to make their sexual orientation change, what did you have in mind?

Yea, I believe everyone is born heterosexual. I've seen the evidence proving otherwise but its still my opinion. I think that any traumatic event early in the growth stage could cause it, I dont have anything in mind.

[Mr. Socko]

Hmmmmmm, I think it may take more than that Majik.......just a thought.

It is quite annoying when people say those that are gay only become that way through traumatic sexual experience in their early life. I'm just wondering if Yurka is that person.

[Kelly]

http://www.gayprocon.org/bin/procon/procon.cgi?database=4.%20Issues.db&command=viewone&id=3&op=t

An unbiased organization might be better to use....

[Captain_BluTac]

Yea, I believe everyone is born heterosexual. I've seen the evidence proving otherwise but its still my opinion. I think that any traumatic event early in the growth stage could cause it, I dont have anything in mind.

All arguments agreeing with your opinion suggest violence, which is highly plausible for instance it is the reasoning my sister uses (dont ask) and it is also the reason I use, but I still think there is more to it.

[Nirvana]

I'm not really sure how I feel about it. I use to hate the idea of homosexuality, then later on in life I lightened up on it and was like "just as long as nobody hits on me."

I have a girlfriend that is actually bisexual, and she kind of explained to me the attract people get to the same sex...I don't know. Its a sticky subject.

I don't hate gays, but I don't really agree, then again they don't bother me when I see/meet them, eh, whatever.

[MaskedManJRK]

http://www.gayprocon.org/bin/procon/procon.cgi?database=4.%20Issues.db&command=viewone&id=3&op=t

As I said, show me conclusive evidence. Even then, its still an opinion, I dont think anyone is born homosexual.

Two people on different sides with the same avatar. Were it not for the fact that one moves and one doesn't I would be confused as hell right now. :o

:oldrazz:

[Majik1387]

It's funny but no gay person can get mad with Kel I blame the Julie Andrews and Carol Burnett avvy.
:cwink:
I'm mad STFU is considered flaming now.:cmad:
Show-off LOL.
Your point?:o
Hmmmmmm, I think it may take more than that Majik.......just a thought.
I thought I'd give it a shot.:cwink:
Cool man. :up:
Yep. Gay from birth. I didn't choose to be gay, I was chosen.:o
Yea, I believe everyone is born heterosexual. I've seen the evidence proving otherwise but its still my opinion. I think that any traumatic event early in the growth stage could cause it, I dont have anything in mind.
Waitaminute, waitaminute. You've seen evidence proving everyone isn't born heterosexual, yet you refuse to believe it? :huh:
It is quite annoying when people say those that are gay only become that way through traumatic sexual experience in their early life. I'm just wondering if Yurka is that person.
Ditto to the bold

[Gilpesh]

An unbiased organization might be better to use....

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/10/health/10gene.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ei=5070&en=b8ee8ae30451c2e9&ex=1187236800

[Bill]

Instead of just saying "since it has been shown that...."

Show these people that proof......

You saying it, might not make it so for them.........


So show it....

I did a complete run down of just that very thing in one of those threads that were "taken away." Too bad I can't do a search to recall that information and save me from reposting it now.

Anyway:

WebMD (http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20050128/is-there-gay-gene).

From the article:

"It builds on previous studies that have consistently found evidence of genetic influence on sexual orientation, but our study is the first to look at exactly where those genes are located," says researcher Brian Mustanski, PhD, a psychologist at the University of Illinois at Chicago." (emphasis mine)



American Phsychological Association (http://www.apa.org/topics/orientation.html#whatcauses).

From the article:

"No, human beings can not choose to be either gay or straight. Sexual orientation emerges for most people in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience. Although we can choose whether to act on our feelings, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed." (emphasis mine)


New York Times Health (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/10/health/10gene.html?_r=1&ex=1187236800&en=b8ee8ae30451c2e9&ei=5070&oref=slogin).

From the article:

"Desire between the sexes is not a matter of choice. Straight men, it seems, have neural circuits that prompt them to seek out women; gay men have those prompting them to seek other men. Women’s brains may be organized to select men who seem likely to provide for them and their children. The deal is sealed with other neural programs that induce a burst of romantic love, followed by long-term attachment. "(emphasis mine)

[Mr. Socko]

Yea, I believe everyone is born heterosexual. I've seen the evidence proving otherwise but its still my opinion. I think that any traumatic event early in the growth stage could cause it, I dont have anything in mind.

In some cases this indeed true, but not the majority. I think it's a bit ridiculous to even assume all gay people have gone through traumatic experiences in their childhood.

[Gilpesh]

As I said, show me conclusive evidence. Even then, its still an opinion, I dont think anyone is born homosexual.

http://news-service.stanford.edu/pr/95/950310Arc5328.html

And no. It's an ill-informed opinion which borders on bigotry.

[Superhobo]

An unbiased organization might be better to use....

I guess I didn't explore the site that well. It was the first site that popped up when I searched "born gay;" and the google blurb looked promising.

[knowsbleed]

I wonder if it's illegal to have sex with an extraterrestrial?

hmm...

[Gilpesh]

I wonder if it's illegal to have sex with an extraterrestrial?

hmm...

If it's fun.... of course.

[knowsbleed]

Oh, I'm sure it would be fun. Slime is nothing BUT fun.

[Bubonic]

It's not wrong, people are aloud to pursue their desires.
It's biologically defunct in terms of a species raison d'etre, which is to pass on ones genes.
But in todays overpopulated world, might as well have less people having kids and more adopting the ones floating around.

[knowsbleed]

I'm going to use "raison d'etre" every day for the rest of my life from now on.

[Bubonic]

I'm going to use "raison d'etre" every day for the rest of my life from now on.

As you should :woot:

[knowsbleed]

I love it. My raison d'etre is for Catholic priests to love hearing confessions.

[Bubonic]

So your reason for being is for Catholic priests to love hearing confessions? :confused:
Sort of an odd sentence to me, but maybe I'm missing the irony, or humour in it... Bit tired.

[slave2catwoman]

Most religions say it is wrong. But all religions are stupid.

[Kelly]

I guess I didn't explore the site that well. It was the first site that popped up when I searched "born gay;" and the google blurb looked promising.


I think someone gave a group of other sites to go to as well........they were medical sites.....its all good......:yay:

[knowsbleed]

So your reason for being is for Catholic priests to love hearing confessions? :confused:
Sort of an odd sentence to me, but maybe I'm missing the irony, or humour in it... Bit tired.

I don't pride myself in sentence structore...I DO pride myself in being an alcoholic.

[Gilpesh]

I think someone gave a group of other sites to go to as well........they were medical sites.....its all good......:yay:

And Stanford. :cwink:

[Kelly]

There ya go....

[Superhobo]

Most religions say it is wrong. But all religions are stupid.

Buddhism doesn't, according to His Holiness the Dalai Lama himself.

[Bubonic]

Most religions say it is wrong. But all religions are stupid.

Well, for the times they were conceived in, they weren't too bad in helping explain the inexplicable. But their knowledge is stagnant and they for progression.

The spinoffs of the major monotheistic religions most likely will say its wrong, and it make sense since one of their tenets is "go forth and multiply" which homosexuals have a hard time doing.

There are a lot of other belief systems out their though, I'm not sure how many have outright acceptance of homosexuality, but there are a handful that have male/male, female/female partnership relationships important to their culture, although sex isn't always present.

I know in India they actually have something like a third official gender A hijras or something like that.
They are guys who dress up as women and perform important rituals like marriages and births, not sure if gay sex is part of their lifestyle though.

[knowsbleed]

I know in India they actually have something like a third official gender A hijras or something like that.
They are guys who dress up as women and perform important rituals like marriages and births, not sure if gay sex is part of their lifestyle though.

I think I saw one of them on the corner of Broadway and Central just earlier tonite. They told me that 20 bucks is not enough for what I wanted. :(

[Bubonic]

I think I saw one of them on the corner of Broadway and Central just earlier tonite. They told me that 20 bucks is not enough for what I wanted. :(

Haha, well, that whole aspect isn't part of the hijras job description.

[CrAzYMoFo]

It's good if you're a girl... otherwise it's just kind of nasty.

[Majik1387]

Off topic, Kel, thanks for unknowingly helping me out with two manips. :yay:

[The Senator]

It's good if you're a girl... otherwise it's just kind of nasty.

Har har har. Har.

[Gilpesh]

Har har har. Har.

You know how it goes. Girls making out is alright.... but when guys do it, suddenly everyone in the room loses their morals and start being sinful and eventually end up in relations with animals. It's a slippery slope here.







Kidding. I just wanted to say slippery slope. :woot:

[The Senator]

You know how it goes. Girls making out is alright.... but when guys do it, suddenly everyone in the room loses their morals and start being sinful and eventually end up in relations with animals. It's a slippery slope here.







Kidding. I just wanted to say slippery slope. :woot:

I've always wanted to say 'slippery slope,' but I've never been able to use it in a way which makes a point/ sounds intelligent.

And you know us gays... first men, then animals, then single-celled bacteria. Wouldn't have it any other way.

[Gilpesh]

I've always wanted to say 'slippery slope,' but I've never been able to use it in a way which makes a point/ sounds intelligent.

And you know us gays... first men, then animals, then single-celled bacteria. Wouldn't have it any other way.

Stop tempting me heathen! You know my faith is weak so I make up for it by blinding myself to any and all evidence that might make me have to rethink everything I have based my values on. :dry:

[The Senator]

Stop tempting me heathen! You know my faith is weak so I make up for it by blinding myself to any and all evidence that might make me have to rethink everything I have based my values on. :dry:

I have some amoeba in a petri dish if you'd like to borrow them for a wild weekend.

[Gilpesh]

I have some amoeba in a petri dish if you'd like to borrow them for a wild weekend.

Naw, I supply my own amoeba.... I mean. YOU'RE WRONG! BAD!

:whatever:

It's just too easy some times.

[The Senator]

Naw, I supply my own amoeba.... I mean. YOU'RE WRONG! BAD!

:whatever:

It's just too easy some times.

Time to take a second to put in a disclaimer:

The gay community would like to apologize for any misconceptions regarding jmanspice's comments about gays having sex with animals and amoeba. Most homosexuals like to have relationships with members of the same sex, and most do not engage in behavior with members of the animal or bacterial kingdom. The comments and practices of Mr. Spice are solely his, and do not reflect the gay community, nor should they be taken literally

Anyway... if you really think amoeba are cool, you should definitely try protozoa.

[Gilpesh]

Time to take a second to put in a disclaimer:

The gay community would like to apologize for any misconceptions regarding jmanspice's comments about gays having sex with animals and amoeba. Most homosexuals like to have relationships with members of the same sex, and most do not engage in behavior with members of the animal or bacterial kingdom. The comments and practices of Mr. Spice are solely his, and do not reflect the gay community, nor should they be taken literally

Anyway... if you really think amoeba are cool, you should definitely try protozoa.

The disclaimer made me laugh more than it should have because I just watched Jackass and that's all I could think of.

[cookiva]

Everytime that this thread gets bumped, I will say the same thing.

"No".

[Joe M.]

Just want to add some clarification, for those who feel that homosexuality has been "proven" to be innate or established at birth:


WebMD (http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20050128/is-there-gay-gene).

From the article:

"It builds on previous studies that have consistently found evidence of genetic influence on sexual orientation, but our study is the first to look at exactly where those genes are located," says researcher Brian Mustanski, PhD, a psychologist at the University of Illinois at Chicago." (emphasis mine)

The article also says: "'Since sexual orientation is such a complex trait, we're never going to find any one gene that determines whether someone is gay or not,' says Mustanski. 'It's going to be a combination of various genes acting together as well as possibly interacting with environmental influences.'"

"Previous studies in male twins have suggested that between 40%-60% of the variability in sexual orientation is due to genes. The rest is thought to be due to environment and possibly other biologic but nongenetic causes. " (emphasis mine)


American Phsychological Association (http://www.apa.org/topics/orientation.html#whatcauses).

From the article:

"No, human beings can not choose to be either gay or straight. Sexual orientation emerges for most people in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience. Although we can choose whether to act on our feelings, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed." (emphasis mine)

However, not consciously choosing a homosexual lifestyle does not in itself prove that a person is born that way.

That same article also says: "There are numerous theories about the origins of a person's sexual orientation; most scientists today agree that sexual orientation is most likely the result of a complex interaction of environmental, cognitive and biological factors. In most people, sexual orientation is shaped at an early age. " (emphasis mine)


New York Times Health (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/10/health/10gene.html?_r=1&ex=1187236800&en=b8ee8ae30451c2e9&ei=5070&oref=slogin).

From the article:

"Desire between the sexes is not a matter of choice. Straight men, it seems, have neural circuits that prompt them to seek out women; gay men have those prompting them to seek other men. Women’s brains may be organized to select men who seem likely to provide for them and their children. The deal is sealed with other neural programs that induce a burst of romantic love, followed by long-term attachment. "(emphasis mine)

There is nothing in that article to suggest any proof that people are born being predetermined towards homosexual behavior.

With regard to the quote you posted, the article also says: "Presumably the masculinization of the brain shapes some neural circuit that makes women desirable. If so, this circuitry is wired differently in gay men."

However, this does not establish that homosexuals were born being wired differently. The question of how their brains came to be wired differently is important.

Dr. Marc Breedlove, who was even cited in this article, also said regarding a different study
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/97legacy/10_22_97b.html

"'These findings give us proof for what we theoretically know to be the case -- that sexual experience can alter the structure of the brain, just as genes can alter it,' said Marc Breedlove, professor of psychology at UC Berkeley

"The findings also throw new light on beliefs that sexual orientation, particularly homosexuality, is inherited or under the exclusive control of genes.

"'It doesn't nullify the notion of a hereditary component in homosexuality,' said Breedlove. 'To my mind the scientific literature is clear: there is a genetic factor.'

"But, he added, this work suggests that sexual orientation may also be affected by experience, as scientists have always believed.
'You can't assume that because you find a structural difference in the brain, that it was caused by genes. You don't know how the difference got there,' said Breedlove. " (emphasis mine)

http://news-service.stanford.edu/pr/...10Arc5328.html

From the article: "Research into the biological basis of sexual orientation "presents a clear double message. Yes, genetics plays a part. No, it is not all genetics," Dora B. Goldstein, professor emeritus of molecular pharmacology, told the audience that attended the first in a series of public lectures sponsored by the Medical Center's Lesbian-Gay-Bisexual Community on March 9.

"This shouldn't be too surprising because that is what all kinds of behavioral studies indicate. Genes determine everything. The environment affects everything. Then there is this big area where the two interact," she added." (emphasis mine)

So really, all those links suggest is that homosexuality is more likely a combination of genetic predisposition combined with certain environmental, familial, and/or social influences. In other words, it's not from birth, and no current scientific study has proven any such thing. A predisposition towards developing certain behaviors after having been exposed to certain environmental influences is not the same as being predetermined.

Whether that affects anyone's personal opinions or not, I just felt it was important for the sake of clarity to mention this.

[Bill]

Just want to add some clarification, for those who feel that homosexuality has been "proven" to be innate or established at birth:



The article also says: "'Since sexual orientation is such a complex trait, we're never going to find any one gene that determines whether someone is gay or not,' says Mustanski. 'It's going to be a combination of various genes acting together as well as possibly interacting with environmental influences.'"

"Previous studies in male twins have suggested that between 40%-60% of the variability in sexual orientation is due to genes. The rest is thought to be due to environment and possibly other biologic but nongenetic causes. " (emphasis mine)

However, not consciously choosing a homosexual lifestyle does not in itself prove that a person is born that way.

That same article also says: "There are numerous theories about the origins of a person's sexual orientation; most scientists today agree that sexual orientation is most likely the result of a complex interaction of environmental, cognitive and biological factors. In most people, sexual orientation is shaped at an early age. " (emphasis mine)



There is nothing in that article to suggest any proof that people are born being predetermined towards homosexual behavior.

With regard to the quote you posted, the article also says: "Presumably the masculinization of the brain shapes some neural circuit that makes women desirable. If so, this circuitry is wired differently in gay men."

However, this does not establish that homosexuals were born being wired differently. The question of how their brains came to be wired differently is important.

Dr. Marc Breedlove, who was even cited in this article, also said regarding a different study
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/97legacy/10_22_97b.html

"'These findings give us proof for what we theoretically know to be the case -- that sexual experience can alter the structure of the brain, just as genes can alter it,' said Marc Breedlove, professor of psychology at UC Berkeley

"The findings also throw new light on beliefs that sexual orientation, particularly homosexuality, is inherited or under the exclusive control of genes.

"'It doesn't nullify the notion of a hereditary component in homosexuality,' said Breedlove. 'To my mind the scientific literature is clear: there is a genetic factor.'

"But, he added, this work suggests that sexual orientation may also be affected by experience, as scientists have always believed.
'You can't assume that because you find a structural difference in the brain, that it was caused by genes. You don't know how the difference got there,' said Breedlove. " (emphasis mine)



From the article: "Research into the biological basis of sexual orientation "presents a clear double message. Yes, genetics plays a part. No, it is not all genetics," Dora B. Goldstein, professor emeritus of molecular pharmacology, told the audience that attended the first in a series of public lectures sponsored by the Medical Center's Lesbian-Gay-Bisexual Community on March 9.

"This shouldn't be too surprising because that is what all kinds of behavioral studies indicate. Genes determine everything. The environment affects everything. Then there is this big area where the two interact," she added." (emphasis mine)

So really, all those links suggest is that homosexuality is more likely a combination of genetic predisposition combined with certain environmental, familial, and/or social influences. In other words, it's not from birth, and no current scientific study has proven any such thing. A predisposition towards developing certain behaviors after having been exposed to certain environmental influences is not the same as being predetermined.

Whether that affects anyone's personal opinions or not, I just felt it was important for the sake of clarity to mention this.


Your stance mirrors a lot of the religious right's opinions on the subject. And it seems centered on the belief that it is merely a "gay gene" that causes predetermined sexuality before birth. I don't think it was ever meant to come across that way. Read this (http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_caus4.htm), specifically this quote:

We have described a number of studies which show that the propensity towards homosexuality is determined either:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/_themes/topo/topbul1d.gifBy genetic causes at conception, or http://www.religioustolerance.org/_themes/topo/topbul1d.gifBy to environmental causes in the womb before birth.
We are always watching for new studies into this phenomenon. We have found none that contradict the above conclusion.(emphasis mine)

[Nivek]

I love how 3 of the choices are negative in the poll, thats just awesome. Where the polls about blacks, Mexicans, Hindus, and the Jews?

[Captain_BluTac]

Actually option 2 is indifference I wouldn't say that is bad.

[Nivek]

It's not wrong but it's still not good? What kind of B.s. is that?

[November Rain]

i see that as in it's fine but if everyone was indeed homosexual, human kind would be unable to last past 90 odd years...which could be seen as a bad thing.

just in the same way as if all kids born were all male or all female.

[Bubonic]

i see that as in it's fine but if everyone was indeed homosexual, human kind would be unable to last past 90 odd years...which could be seen as a bad thing.

just in the same way as if all kids born were all male or all female.

Or they could go to war against the heteros, build gay and lesbian nations which would be kept populated by conquered hetero pods, cloned from themselves, or grown in some sort of test tube! :wow:

[Varient]

Comment:

The latest thing I've read involving HUMAN SEXUALITY points to the FACT that homosexuality is a hormone-induced recruitment,.. not something "you always had".

The same studies that proved that women bond and "fall in love" with a man they didn't originally "love" due to the chemical cascade that happens to women who are impregnated by a paticular male, have said that something similar occurs between two of the same sex if there were no positive instances of opposite sex interaction.

Which of course causes a crap storm because the MAJORITY of admitted same-sex bondings appear to be an "older or openly homosexual" recruiting/seducing a younger sexually open person.

Go figure.

V.

[November Rain]

Or they could go to war against the heteros, build gay and lesbian nations which would be kept populated by conquered hetero pods, cloned from themselves, or grown in some sort of test tube! :wow:
Too much matrix in your diet, I recommend more farscape and battlestar galactica.

:hoboj:

[Joe M.]

Your stance mirrors a lot of the religious right's opinions on the subject.
Maybe, but I didn't approach this from a religious perspective. You brought that up. I simply used comments from the very links you provided to emphasize that current studies reflect homosexuality as being caused by a combination of factors.

And it seems centered on the belief that it is merely a "gay gene" that causes predetermined sexuality before birth.
Maybe you're misinterpreting my post. My post was specifically denying a "predetermination", but trying to explain how a "predisposition", combined with environmental and/or social factors, could lead to homosexuality ... something many scientists seem to recognize.

I don't think it was ever meant to come across that way. Read this (http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_caus4.htm), specifically this quote:

We have described a number of studies which show that the propensity towards homosexuality is determined either:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/_themes/topo/topbul1d.gifBy genetic causes at conception, or http://www.religioustolerance.org/_themes/topo/topbul1d.gifBy to environmental causes in the womb before birth.
We are always watching for new studies into this phenomenon. We have found none that contradict the above conclusion.(emphasis mine)

I bolded "propensity", because it's a synonym for "predisposition". In other words, that statement doesn't say anything different from what I suggested.

Further, that link also says:
"A number of studies on identical twins have indicated that perhaps 10% of people are born with the genetic predisposition to develop a homosexual orientation in adulthood. However, this predisposition may or may not be triggered, either before birth or during early childhood by a factor in the environment which is currently unknown. Thus, having a homosexual orientation is not completely determined by one's genes. However, current evidence is that it is certainly outside of a person's conscious control." (emphasis mine)

This echoes what I said. Also, just for clarity, I never said anyone "chose" to be homosexual. However, like the link you just provided also suggests, not being under a person's "conscious" control is not the same as being guaranteed to occur, as we are all shaped by our environment and experiences during our formative years.

They compared the number of ridges on the index finger and thumb of the left hand with the number on the corresponding fingers of the right hand. They found that 30% of the homosexuals tested had a surplus of ridges on their left hand, whereas only 14% of the heterosexuals did. This is a particularly interesting finding, because fingerprints are fully determined in a fetus before the 17th week of pregnancy, and do not change thereafter, through birth, infancy, childhood, youth and adulthood. This would seem to prove that for at least some adult homosexuals, their sexual orientation was pre-determined before birth, perhaps at conception; certainly by the end of the 4th month of pregnancy.This conclusion doesn't follow from the information provided. It's saying on the one hand that having a surplus of ridges is an indication that one will be born homosexual (though not all homosexuals have this condition), yet on the other hand it admits that some heterosexuals also have this same condition of surplus ridges. Rather, couldn't surplus ridges simply be an indication that these individuals may have a predisposition towards developing homosexual attraction once exposed to certain environmental factors? In the case of the heterosexuals in this study, they may not have experienced whatever conditions that would then guide someone to a homosexual inclination.

A California psychologist, Marc Breedlove, "conducted his research at three street fairs in the San Francisco Bay area in the fall of 1999." Each study participant had his or her hand photocopied on a portable copy machine to record finger length. Participants also filled out a questionnaire on sexual orientation and birth order. 720 volunteers participated. They found that lesbians tended to have shorter index fingers (relative to their ring fingers) than did heterosexual women. They also found that gay males tended to have shorter index fingers (relative to their ring fingers) than heterosexual males. The relative size of a person's fingers is determined well before birth. These findings imply that sexual orientation is at least partly decided before birth -- perhaps at conception when a person's unique DNA is established."Partly" means that other factors will later come into play, like possibly environmental or social. Also, I referenced the researcher who did this study in my first post. While not a direct quote, the article said: "But, he [Dr. Breedlove] added, this work suggests that sexual orientation may also be affected by experience, as scientists have always believed.

In the mid 1990s, researcher Ray Blanchard studied families in which there is a male child with a homosexual orientation. He found that a gay man is more likely to have older brothers than older sisters. He found that the probability that a male child will grow up as a homosexual increases by about 33% for each brother born before he was. Blanchard suggests that this effect may be caused by an immune response within the mother during pregnancy.One of your previous links to a NY Times article also mentioned this study, and tacked on: "So the hypothesis, though plausible, has not been proved."

Psychologist Michael Bailey of Northwestern University and Psychiatrist Richard Pillard of Boston University studied the sexual orientation of male siblings raised together since birth. He found that if one was homosexual then the chance of their sibling being homosexual was:
- Fifty two percent for their identical twin, who shared 100% of the same genes. This result was essentially identical to the separated identical twin studies described below. It shows that if one identical male twin is gay, then the other twin will probably also be gay -- whether raised in the same family or raised by different families.And yet, if homosexuality were only determined by genetics, wouldn't one expect both of the twins to be homosexual 100% of the time? The fact that it does not appear to be a 100% correlation suggests that there is more at work in determining homosexuality than just genetics.

Dean Hamer, and his colleagues at the National Cancer Institute collected family data from the families of 114 gay men. They found out which, if any, of their siblings, parents, cousins, uncles etc. were also gay. They quickly determined that homosexuality runs in families.However, that self-same entry later says: "The Hamer group's results on gay males must be regarded as tentative:
- Dr. Alan Sanders, professor of psychiatry at the University of Chicago attempted to replicate the results on 54 sets of gay brothers. He announced at the American Psychiatric Association's annual conference in 1998-JUN that he was unsuccessful. "No [genetic] marker data reached statistically significant criteria." The results of the pedigree test on Sander's subjects is not known.


Also, in regards to his study, Dr. Hamer says in the book The Science of Desire (1994, p. 82): "We knew that genes were only part of the answer. We assumed the environment also played a role in sexual orientation, as it does in most, if not all behaviors ..."

All I'm trying to get at is to show that homosexuality has not been proven to be entirely determined at or before birth, as many people have been led to believe. Other factors come into play, as admitted by some of these scientists.

I suppose some confusion may erupt over the use of the word "environment". Does that mean specifically physical environmental influences like exposure to certain chemicals or something? Or is the word "environment" being used in the context of positive/negative influences and relations in ones home life (for example)? I believe it be the latter, as the word "environment" is often used by people to describe social circumstances. One rarely refers to the "work environment", for example, meaning the arrangement of furniture, but more likely whether people get along and work well together, or not.

Dr. Breedlove, who I referenced above, seems to support this use of the word environment. I would hazard that Dr. Hamer also feels the same way, since he says that environment also plays a role "... in most, if not all behaviors ..." Also, the APA link you provided earlier also agrees that cognitive experience (with other factors) can shape people to develop homosexual inclinations.

[Kelly]

I've always wanted to say 'slippery slope,' but I've never been able to use it in a way which makes a point/ sounds intelligent.

And you know us gays... first men, then animals, then single-celled bacteria. Wouldn't have it any other way.
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[Mr. Socko]

i see that as in it's fine but if everyone was indeed homosexual, human kind would be unable to last past 90 odd years...which could be seen as a bad thing.

just in the same way as if all kids born were all male or all female.

For the sake of argument this is untrue and quite unthoughtful.

The "no end result" is something that is thrown around here quite often, usually by those who disdain homosexual behavior. It is of'course the 'biological' side of the argument as opposed to the religious argument.

The followers of this biological thought, who clearly have not analyzed it well enough, says male should only be with female. If you ask them why their answer is "to reproduce and keep the human species alive." If you look through this thread you'll find this statement used at least a hundred times.

Yet none of you pick up on the obvious flaws...that are right there in your face. You haven't thought about it because you're only trying to place homosexuality in a disdainful category. And I am of'course speaking in general, not at you November Rain..........But as I was saying, GoogleMe among others said biologically, gay people have no point because they can't reproduce.

But...but, people fail to realize there is a difference between love and sex. Biologically, they are completely different. Strike that, biologically, love is completely uneminent. Under this exact same rule, heterosexuality is completely pointless. Biologically, just as two men together, a man being in love with a woman is pointless, it leads to "no point" simply because love is so different from sex. Because biologically, love itself is pointless, we need only to have unthoughtful sex with members of the opposite gender simply for reproduction.

Again, this biological process favors neither. Love is nothingness to the environment, so there is no point to homosexuality and equally there is no point to heterosexuality...because you need not be attracted to someone to have sex with them. Biologically, we as humans should only randomly get together and have sex to reproduce, we don't need to love each other.

As a reply to your exact statement November Rain, I or any gay man could quite easily conceive a child with a woman for the simple reproduction process. I could impregnate a woman...then I could continue to be with my male partner. You see biology defines no sexuality at all, just have sex with others for the conclusion of a child. So that completely cancels out heterosexuality as well, just as some might say man should not love man, nor should he love woman, because love....an actual relationship doesn't matter to these biological rules as biologically, I don't need to be attracted to a woman nor have a relationship with one, but just have sex with one once to keep the population growing.