The Official Justice League & World's Finest Thread

[lexlives]

Things are shaky with this franchise. Its stands with dubious company as being the only super-hero film aside from Catwoman that, to my knowledge, failed to at least recoup its production cost from the domestic box. Even the much maligned Hulk managed to do that. You gotta know this is a big red flag to WB.

And, despite what some think, if Singer is given the pink slip there will be no sequel. Even Routh said at the DVD launch that Singer is the lynch-pin to a sequel happening.

THe studio is not going to try to find another director - as if any name director would even be interested in trying to fix Singer's mess and be burdened with the likley chance a sequel will do even worse than SR. SR had the advantage a sequel will not - despite the negative buzz folks were willing to somewhat turn out as this was the first Superman film in 20+ years. An SR sequel will not have that going for it.

WB canning Singer means a rejection of his vision - his casting choices, the writing, the kid, the FX. An acknowledgement of a failed product - does anyone think WB would be foolish enough to try to "fix" what can't be fixed?

The next month or two will see official word IMO that the MOS has been shleved. Actually, if WB is unable to confirm next week at ShoWest that a Superman film is on their 2009 schedule - even if they can't give a specific release date - then that will essentially confirm the scrapping in not so many words.

Remember, TDK got an official go at ShoWest Last year. The entertainment news has been a-buzz with Flash, WW and JLA for weeks now while no word, from WB, for months ob SR. Odd -0 the JLA is set for 2010 - after a potential SR sequel - yet WB is talking the later premmiering film up and being dead silent on Superman.

Until the JLA announcement I was solidly confident that, though we would not get an SR sequel, we'd get a reboot/relaunch of Superman in 15 or so years. IMO the JLA reduces the chances for that now.

If the JLA does well and if just a few characters spin-ff as huge successes and with Batman, WB simply does not need Superman anymore. Not lucrative for them. RT is reporting a TDK sequel is already in the works and with that anchos - between Batman and JLA WB could well have all it needs in terms of superhero franchises.

The franchise is in deep trouble. Its not a good time to be a Superman fan - espeically when longtime fans like Kevin Smith are saying its past time to kill off the Superman character.

[JamalYIgle]

Things are shaky with this franchise. Its stands with dubious company as being the only super-hero film aside from Catwoman that, to my knowledge, failed to at least recoup its production cost from the domestic box. Even the much maligned Hulk managed to do that. You gotta know this is a big red flag to WB.

And, despite what some think, if Singer is given the pink slip there will be no sequel. Even Routh said at the DVD launch that Singer is the lynch-pin to a sequel happening.

THe studio is not going to try to find another director - as if any name director would even be interested in trying to fix Singer's mess and be burdened with the likley chance a sequel will do even worse than SR. SR had the advantage a sequel will not - despite the negative buzz folks were willing to somewhat turn out as this was the first Superman film in 20+ years. An SR sequel will not have that going for it.

WB canning Singer means a rejection of his vision - his casting choices, the writing, the kid, the FX. An acknowledgement of a failed product - does anyone think WB would be foolish enough to try to "fix" what can't be fixed?

The next month or two will see official word IMO that the MOS has been shleved. Actually, if WB is unable to confirm next week at ShoWest that a Superman film is on their 2009 schedule - even if they can't give a specific release date - then that will essentially confirm the scrapping in not so many words.

Remember, TDK got an official go at ShoWest Last year. The entertainment news has been a-buzz with Flash, WW and JLA for weeks now while no word, from WB, for months ob SR. Odd -0 the JLA is set for 2010 - after a potential SR sequel - yet WB is talking the later premmiering film up and being dead silent on Superman.

Until the JLA announcement I was solidly confident that, though we would not get an SR sequel, we'd get a reboot/relaunch of Superman in 15 or so years. IMO the JLA reduces the chances for that now.

If the JLA does well and if just a few characters spin-ff as huge successes and with Batman, WB simply does not need Superman anymore. Not lucrative for them. RT is reporting a TDK sequel is already in the works and with that anchos - between Batman and JLA WB could well have all it needs in terms of superhero franchises.

The franchise is in deep trouble. Its not a good time to be a Superman fan - espeically when longtime fans like Kevin Smith are saying its past time to kill off the Superman character.

What I was told was more than likely any JLA feature film would neither have Superman or Batman. That the film would be developed as it's on franchise. Also you shouldknow that plans for Man of Steel are full steam ahead. Despite what you seem to falsely believe. Singer isn't going anywhere , Superman Returns has more than made it's money back, between the box office,tv and cable rights, DVD sales and merchandising/ licensing.

[Freddy_Krueger]

You gotta love that lexlives spin.

[lexlives]

What I was told was more than likely any JLA feature film would neither have Superman or Batman. That the film would be developed as it's on franchise. Also you shouldknow that plans for Man of Steel are full steam ahead. Despite what you seem to falsely believe. Singer isn't going anywhere , Superman Returns has more than made it's money back, between the box office,tv and cable rights, DVD sales and merchandising/ licensing.

There is absolutely no indication that plans for a sequel are moving forward. But corect me if I am wrong and point me to the source.

[Freddy_Krueger]

You mean like Joel Silver, when speaking about the Wonder Woman project, mentioning that WB was still making a new Superman movie as well as the JLA film and how it did not mean the end of the Wonder Woman project, either?

[GreenKToo]

Please point us to the source that says ''M.O.S. shelved''. Theirs lots more evidence thats it happening, than not.

[lexlives]

You mean like Joel Silver, when speaking about the Wonder Woman project, mentioning that WB was still making a new Superman movie as well as the JLA film and how it did not mean the end of the Wonder Woman project, either?


Did not read Silver but "still making" Superman souinds curiously qualified. It does not mean the end of the WW either - so I assume that there are innuendos that the JLA may mean the end of WW and Superman?!

Again, I have not read his quotes directly, but your quotes of him make things sound, if anything, more up in the air - with both WW and Superman.

[lexlives]

Please point us to the source that says ''M.O.S. shelved''. Theirs lots more evidence thats it happening, than not.

If WB can't confirm a 2009 Superman release next week then indeed the film is dead. It may take them a month or so for an official annoucement, but if they can't say yes at ShoWest - they ain't gonna - as in say yes to a sequel.

[Freddy_Krueger]

Later, Silver told SCI FI Wire that the Wonder Woman project had a long way to go. "We're not there yet," Silver said in an interview. "I mean, look, ... for a while these Marvel Comics [movies] have been kicking the DC Comics [movies'] ass. You know? I mean all these characters that just keep coming out. And, look, they revived Batman. They're making a new Batman now. It should be great. They're making a new Superman, and they're going to do Justice League, all the characters, which I think is a cool idea. And we're going to get Wonder Woman to work."

Whedon was famously hired to draft a new look at the Amazonian superhero, but quit the project a month ago after failing to win over Silver and Warner Brothers with his take on the franchise. Warner, meanwhile, bought a Wonder Woman spec script from newcomers Matthew Jennison and Brent Strickland, which set the story during World War II, the original period of the comics series.

Silver denied that the spec script would be the basis for the movie. "I don't think so," he said, adding that he never wanted to make a period film. "We didn't buy it for that. There were some good ideas in it, but it was out there, and we wanted to just kind of not have it floating around. We wanted just to acquire it and keep it."

As for how the project will move forward without Whedon? "We'll make it work," Silver said. "You know, it's going to [work]. ... We just couldn't figure it out, but we'll get there." But for now, Silver said he's not actively looking for a new writer or director. "No, not yet. We're just ... talking about it, and we'll get back to it soon."

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Sounds more positive to me. They're making a new Batman, they're making a new Superman, and Silver is hoping to get Wonder Woman to work. Nothing more than that.

[wellsy]

Things are shaky with this franchise. Its stands with dubious company as being the only super-hero film aside from Catwoman that, to my knowledge, failed to at least recoup its production cost from the domestic box. Even the much maligned Hulk managed to do that. You gotta know this is a big red flag to WB.

And, despite what some think, if Singer is given the pink slip there will be no sequel. Even Routh said at the DVD launch that Singer is the lynch-pin to a sequel happening.

THe studio is not going to try to find another director - as if any name director would even be interested in trying to fix Singer's mess and be burdened with the likley chance a sequel will do even worse than SR. SR had the advantage a sequel will not - despite the negative buzz folks were willing to somewhat turn out as this was the first Superman film in 20+ years. An SR sequel will not have that going for it.

WB canning Singer means a rejection of his vision - his casting choices, the writing, the kid, the FX. An acknowledgement of a failed product - does anyone think WB would be foolish enough to try to "fix" what can't be fixed?

The next month or two will see official word IMO that the MOS has been shleved. Actually, if WB is unable to confirm next week at ShoWest that a Superman film is on their 2009 schedule - even if they can't give a specific release date - then that will essentially confirm the scrapping in not so many words.

Remember, TDK got an official go at ShoWest Last year. The entertainment news has been a-buzz with Flash, WW and JLA for weeks now while no word, from WB, for months ob SR. Odd -0 the JLA is set for 2010 - after a potential SR sequel - yet WB is talking the later premmiering film up and being dead silent on Superman.

Until the JLA announcement I was solidly confident that, though we would not get an SR sequel, we'd get a reboot/relaunch of Superman in 15 or so years. IMO the JLA reduces the chances for that now.

If the JLA does well and if just a few characters spin-ff as huge successes and with Batman, WB simply does not need Superman anymore. Not lucrative for them. RT is reporting a TDK sequel is already in the works and with that anchos - between Batman and JLA WB could well have all it needs in terms of superhero franchises.

The franchise is in deep trouble. Its not a good time to be a Superman fan - espeically when longtime fans like Kevin Smith are saying its past time to kill off the Superman character.
http://www.steveenglehart.com/Animation/Animation%20images/Justice%20League%20anime%202.jpg

OK lexlives, lets see how good you eyes are. Who is that gentleman in the blue and red tights standing at the front of this group, in what can only be described as a position of leadership?

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OK, I know you know the answer. So saying Justice League doesn't need Superman is just stupid.

*Beats lexlives on the head for his stupidity*

Also, please present more evidence about the canning of MoS. It seems everyone else here has missed that.

Oh wait, there IS no evidence. Just you and your overactive imagination.

Just go away lex. Honestly, it ain't worth keeping up.

[dark_b]

And, despite what some think, if Singer is given the pink slip there will be no sequel. Even Routh said at the DVD launch that Singer is the lynch-pin to a sequel happening.

wellcome back mr: lexlives........we missed you. :cwink:

[Ita-KalEl]

LOL
LexLives you are the best troll in the forum history :woot:

Ehy why you don't open a thread in the Batman forum:

Does JLA film/spinoff mean end of Batman sequels/reboots?

:whatever:

LexLives the Batman sequel was officially announced in July 2006, not at the ShoWest.
But I want to accept your crappy theory about the ShoWest...so, if you are a man, dear LexLives, you have to promise that you'll cancel your account in this forum if Horn says that there 'll be a Superman sequel in the 2009.

[superbaby]

unfortunately, lexlives always got it right. amen. ;)

[dark_b]

unfortunately, lexlives always got it right. amen. ;)
hehe wouldnt it be pathetic that lexlives would have two accounts so that he would agree with himself? :woot:

i htink he did have on BT.net if remember

to agree wit ha guy who makes things up ? :cwink:

[AssMan]

hehe wouldnt it be pathetic that lexlives would have two accounts so that he would agree with himself? :woot:

i htink he did have on BT.net if remember

to agree wit ha guy who makes things up ? :cwink:

I still think he is phil & now possibly superbaby

[lexlives]

LOL
LexLives you are the best troll in the forum history :woot:

Ehy why you don't open a thread in the Batman forum:

Does JLA film/spinoff mean end of Batman sequels/reboots?

:whatever:

LexLives the Batman sequel was officially announced in July 2006, not at the ShoWest.
But I want to accept your crappy theory about the ShoWest...so, if you are a man, dear LexLives, you have to promise that you'll cancel your account in this forum if Horn says that there 'll be a Superman sequel in the 2009.


You make my point. Even w/o an opfficial greenlight in March 2006 WB was 100% sure - despite no script - that thy were able to confirm that TDK would be their 2008 tentpoe film.

WB not doing that for Superman next week means only one thing - the project is iffy. If it was not they would have announced it as their 2009 tentpole.

[lexlives]

http://www.steveenglehart.com/Animation/Animation%20images/Justice%20League%20anime%202.jpg

OK lexlives, lets see how good you eyes are. Who is that gentleman in the blue and red tights standing at the front of this group, in what can only be described as a position of leadership?

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OK, I know you know the answer. So saying Justice League doesn't need Superman is just stupid.

*Beats lexlives on the head for his stupidity*

Also, please present more evidence about the canning of MoS. It seems everyone else here has missed that.

Oh wait, there IS no evidence. Just you and your overactive imagination.

Just go away lex. Honestly, it ain't worth keeping up.

Its not clear yet if a JLA will have a Superman cameo or not. One report I read say it could be totally separate and not involve Batman or Superman. There was talk of a JLA TV series and that would not have included Superman.

Other than a cameo I don't think Superman needs to be in JLA. Especially if a SR sequel is shelved I doubt the director of JLA would want to launch his new franchise with a "failed" franchise film character which Superman will be seen as if they bring his film franchise to an end.

[JamalYIgle]

unfortunately, lexlives always got it right. amen. ;)

actually no he hasn't.
He also claimed that they were going to reshoot SR because they were ashamed of Rouths performance.

[El Payaso]

unfortunately, lexlives always got it right. amen. ;)

At least his alter ego supports him.

[Showtime]

actually no he hasn't.
He also claimed that they were going to reshoot SR because they were ashamed of Rouths performance.

...and that Routh's lines were reduced because they found he couldn't act...:whatever:

[Pickle-El]

This thread is top notch stuff.

[VenomsMom]

I dont believe JLA the movie will happen, if so great, but I just dont see it coming together.

[redcaped]

CAUTION: JLA is the real Superman killer not Doomsday! Be with them supes in 1 movie but keep your distance. And keep WW as a real state.

[AgentPat]

I still think he is phil & now possibly superbabyDunno 'bout Superbaby, but I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt LexLives is NOT our very own "Welling-pwns-u!" & "Smallville-rulez!" Phil. :D :up:

[redcaped]

Don't mess with the real \7/olarman (supes)

[memphissuperman]

Ive been around here since the word came out the word came out who was playing Superman just don't post much but this guy lexlives has posted some of the worst rumors ever and none of them have came true.

[Justice Bringer]

"Batman WILL be in the Justice League of America Movie!
Written by Robert Sanchez
Wednesday, 21 March 2007
There has been a ton of speculation in regards to the recently announced Justice League of America movie including rumors that Batman would be a no show, let’s clear this up fast, he will be in JLA... guaranteed!

Online reports early this month caused headaches for Warner Bros. when it was assumed that the Superman sequel would be put on hold in favor of a Justice League movie. That was quickly proven to be total bull**** by a variety of sources including members of the Singer camp.

The other rumor that surfaced said Batman would not be in the JLA film and quote "he’s too big to waste on a film like this, apparently."

Rumors are funny. Sometimes they get completely out of control. Clint over at Moviehole was very clear that these were rumors but, of course, forums and fanboys everywhere started taking this one sentence as fact and the truth is, it’s total BS.

One of my studio insiders and close pal sent me this email after the story started making the rounds:

Sup brother! I ain’t a fan of SUPERMAN RETURNS and hope we don’t see Routh in the role again unless it is in a JLA movie, but I can tell you one thing: BATMAN is 100 percent going to be in the JLA movie they're developing at Warner Brothers. So I wonder/question how reliable that other web-site's sources are... Naturally, you and I never had this conversation!

How much do I believe my source? 110%, you can take this to the bank. The big question is will the movie ever get made? That is the 100 million dollar question and most of our insiders are split down the middle with some believing that this movie is D.C.'s time to prove that they can have an ensemble pic just like Marvel has their X-Men but the other half believe that the price tag would be astronomical.

It’s important to remember that during the Batman Begins roundtables at WonderCon in 2005, Christian Bale told us that he had a clause in his contract that one of the three films he was signed on to do could in fact be an ensemble picture. Now, at the time, everyone was thinking Batman vs. Superman (please excuse the old school iesb) but it could just as easily be something like Justice League.

I, for one, believe that if given to the right director, cough, cough, Zack Snyder cough, cough, this could be greatest movie since Empire Strikes Back. Could it happen? Only time will tell. "

http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2119&Itemid=99

[aroundthefur33]

wow

[darwinwins]

please don't drag batman down with that horrid idea

[I Am The Knight]

Yeah. No, Not Bale in JLA. Don't think so. No. Batman? Yes, for now, it seems.....

[Pickle-El]

please don't drag batman down with that horrid idea


(mindwipes everything between B89 and BB)

:o

[Steelsheen]

are these Batfans or Jettfans?

[El Payaso]

Wow, they're finally ruining Batman. Guess they weren't totally satisfied with B&R.

[chosen1]

http://practicaljokeonline.com/winner.html man i have a bad feeling about a live action justice league film.






"Conscience do cost." -- Butchie
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[BareKnucklez]

I won't see a JLA movie without BATMAN (Bale) in the movie... And even with him in the movie I won't see a movie with Routh.
If Routh is in it count me out... I don't care to ever see him on the big screen dressed up in a bad Superman costume.
Id rather not put myself threw that again. :whatever:

[BareKnucklez]

http://practicaljokeonline.com/winner.html man i have a bad feeling about a live action justice league film.






"Conscience do cost." -- Butchie
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lol whats with the spyware/virus link?

[Paste Pot Pete]

I won't see a JLA movie without BATMAN (Bale) in the movie... And even with him in the movie I won't see a movie with Routh.
If Routh is in it count me out... I don't care to ever see him on the big screen dressed up in a bad Superman costume.
Id rather not put myself threw that again. :whatever:

Then you probably shouldn't be wasting your time on a Superman board, ace.

And it's "through."

"Through."

[Justice Bringer]

Routh sounds like hes pretty much guaranteed to be in this. This could be post Superman 2009.

This could also be the 'ensemble' picture Bale mentioned. Worlds Finest could be scrapped in favor of launching these other superheroes.

[Sun_Down]

Am I missing something here? Why is everyone *****ing about this?

[I Am The Knight]

Am I missing something here? Why is everyone *****ing about this?

Because as live action it's a horrible idea? And pretty much WB's response to The Avengers movie?

[Sun_Down]

Because as live action it's a horrible idea? And pretty much WB's response to The Avengers movie?

So we're just skipping the whole "seeing the movie" thing all together and we're just gonna decide what's good or bad from the day it's announced? Cool.

Hey, I hear the next Crichton book is about a murder case or politics or something. He hasn't even started writing it, but it sucks. In fact, it's ruined all Michael Crichton books for me.

Hey, that was fun.

[I Am The Knight]

So we're just skipping the whole "seeing the movie" thing all together and we're just gonna decide what's good or bad from the day it's announced? Cool.

Hey, I hear the next Crichton book is about a murder case or politics or something. He hasn't even started writing it, but it sucks. In fact, it's ruined all Michael Crichton books for me.

Hey, that was fun.

Um, yeah, it doesn't works quite like that in this case...

Ever heard of characters' screen time? Budget limits? Casting? for a movie like this, it doesn't looks good.

Besides, I never said it couldn't be good. I mean maybe, but in my opinion, it's "likely" to suck, ok? and that seems to the general conseous.

[FlawlessVictory]

Sun_Down, WB has enough of a hard time getting a movie right with one superhero. What are the chances of them getting a movie right with more than one superhero in it?

With that said though, I'm game for a JLA movie just as long as it doesn't come in the middle of the Nolan Batman series or Singer Superman series. Let the those series finish first then move on with these team up projects.

[Majik1387]

Jeez, I honestly thought this would be getting more support from the fans. All that's happened is that it's been confirmed and that the character of Batman and Superman are in it.


The only thing that doesn't excite me is "this could be greatest movie since Empire Strikes Back" Now those movies are pieces of crap.

[Sun_Down]

Um, yeah, it doesn't works quite like that in this case...

Ever heard of characters' screen time? Budget limits? Casting? for a movie like this, it doesn't looks good.

Besides, I never said it couldn't be good. I mean maybe, but in my opinion, it's "likely" to suck, ok? and that seems to the general conseous.

No, I've never heard of any of the elements of moviemaking. In fact, what is a movie?

Of course I realize that there are some big concerns here, but it's not like good movies with a big ensemble cast don't exist. You're all assuming it can't possibilly work just because it's a big endeavor. I'm not saying it's necessarily gonna work, but Christ, you are basing your assumption on nothing.


Sun_Down, WB has enough of a hard time getting a movie right with one superhero. What are the chances of them getting a movie right with more than one superhero in it?


Well that's a matter of opinion. I, for one, think that they nailed BB and SR. I understand that a lot of people don't feel that way, but that doesn't make me wrong or them right.

While I was not yet born at the time, I'm sure there were concerns about STM when it was in production. People undoubtedly said that it "couldn't be done" or was a "horrible idea" because there was there was no precedent. Same thing here. I just don't understand why everyone's jumping to this conclusion soooo far in advance.

[Steelsheen]

Jeez, I honestly thought this would be getting more support from the fans. All that's happened is that it's been confirmed and that the character of Batman and Superman are in it.
there's very strong support for this from the folks i talk to IRL, whether its BvS, a JL movie (animation or live action), even the wallpaper manip i did of Bale's Batman and Routh's Superman together keeps getting good buzz from anyone who sees it, you can see it in their eyes and their voice, when i tell them its only a manip they all kept saying they should make a movie like that (this was before the days of the JL news being released). all this negativism stink is just coming from the general direction of the Jettforums, who cant even speak for the general majority of the Batfans let alone comic book movie fans whose interested in seeing this.



The only thing that doesn't excite me is "this could be greatest movie since Empire Strikes Back" Now those movies are pieces of crap.
no they're not. their just dated. :p

[mego joe]

please don't drag batman down with that horrid idea

I had an idea that Batman could be both in it and not in it. He can be the invisible member, maybe just a glimpse of him in the shadows or on a roof top. Perhaps he could feed information to the team through Superman through notes, e-mails etc... He is in it, but not seen. Then at the end, Bale as Wayne can have a moment with Clark at the end where they are having dinner or some such in the manor and open endedly discuss the positive aspects of the JLA and continuing on with it.

THis approach allow for him to be part of the team and a presence in the story, but it doesn't cheapen the Bat-films by having broad daylight battles with Batman running around. It keeps the mystery to the character and makes for an intriguing elemnet in the JLA story.

[NotFadeAway]

My sources tell me, that if a Justice League movie is made, there is an honest possbility that Tom Welling might be up for the role of Superman/Clark Kent. And the reason for this is due to the GENERAL public, not fanboys, being more familiar with Tom Welling than Brandon Routh, even after Superman Returns.

On that same note, Routh is a lock to come back for the next Superman film, but in an ensemble feature it could be Welling.

[Justice Bringer]

They wont have two different actors playing the same role in their film properties...WB goes to such great lengths to avoid that kinda stuff.

It will have to be either one or the other most likely.


I kinda prefer Bale and Routh on this one as their characters are around the same age. I'm not a fan of the older mentor Batman and the younger Superman (Welling).

If they want Welling for this, they should recast for a younger Batman.

[NotFadeAway]

I think it would really depend on how Warner Bro's viewed JLA, as a mixture of film franchises or it's own seperate franchise. And even then, they could simply explain it in a way that Tom Welling's Clark has alwasy existed in Bale's universe, or vice versa. This isn't the first time I have heard these types of rumors. Shortly before and after Superman Returns came out, I had heard that if the GENERAL public, not fanboys, didn't really like Routh, that when the time came for Worlds Finest, that Tom Welling would be considered. What some folks on this board fail to see, due to there own bias, is that with the national public Tom Welling is very well liked as Clark Kent, and would, in the movie executives mind, give a film like Worlds Finest or JLA a little more star power and recognition, for box office purposes. If individual Superman films are made, Routh will with out a doubt be Superman, but ensemble films are made, watch for Welling, in all honesty. I'm trying to start a fight.

By the way, we will have to agree to disagree again my friend. I actually like the idea of a grizzled, veteran Batman, possibly at the end of his rope, working with a young, idealistic Superman.

On that note, if they were to use Tom Welling with Bale, it actually wouldn't be that much of an age stretch, for there characters and the actors. By the time the movie started, Welling's Superman could have been around saving the world for years, it wouldn't have to be his first adventure or anything. And Bale and Welling are closer in age that Bale and Routh, and when I see pictures of Welling out in the public, he looks a good deal older than he does on Smallville.

And in my opinion, with a very written, good script, I think Welling could do a good job. Welling couldn't save a mediocre script, but he bring a good one to life.

[Justice Bringer]

On that note, if they were to use Tom Welling with Bale, it actually wouldn't be that much of an age stretch, for there characters

Well no, the thing is that Nolan's BB took place in the present; 2005. Bale's Bruce was near 30 in it.

In 2005, Smallville's 18 year old Clark just graduated highschool and SV takes place in the present too.

Theres a huge age gap.

But ultimately, I can't see WB sanctioning two different actors onscreen for the same role. It would go against all the restrictions and legal stuff theyve done over the past decade. Welling's only real chance of playing \S/ is if they scrap the Singer films altogether along with BR.

This isn't the first time I have heard these types of rumors. Shortly before and after Superman Returns came out, I had heard that if the GENERAL public, not fanboys, didn't really like Routh, that when the time came for Worlds Finest, that Tom Welling would be considered.


Where did you hear this? Because I can't recall such a thing ever being reported during those time periods.

[NotFadeAway]

The age thing, like I said, it would depend on what timeframe they placed the movie, if it even takes place in real time. And like I said, I personally don't mind the idea of an older Batman and younger Superman.

I heard very faint rumors about Welling/Worlds Finest when I first moved out here to L.A. They quickly disappeared, so the validity is in question, I'm just passing it along.

I won't lie to you, I prefer Welling over Routh, I didn't really care for him in particular. I don't hate Routh, but there is a reason Welling beat out Routh for the role on Smallville, not to mention that Jensen Ackles and Milo Ventigimilia were graded above Routh as well. So yes, I hope these comments Ive made are true.

[Eros]

The age thing, like I said, it would depend on what timeframe they placed the movie, if it even takes place in real time. And like I said, I personally don't mind the idea of an older Batman and younger Superman.

I heard very faint rumors about Welling/Worlds Finest when I first moved out here to L.A. They quickly disappeared, so the validity is in question, I'm just passing it along.

Iwon't lie to you, I prefer Welling over Routh, I didn't really care for him in particular. I don't hate Routh, but there is a reason Welling beat out Routh for the role on Smallville, not to mention that a loser like Jensen Ackles and a wimp like Milo Ventigimilia were graded above Routh as well. So yes, I hope these comments Ive amde are true.

See your ignorant almost childlike comments about people you don't know, makes everything else you have to say irrelevant.

[Justice Bringer]

I won't lie to you, I prefer Welling over Routh,

Naw, really..

I didn't really care for him in particular. I don't hate Routh, but there is a reason Welling beat out Routh for the role on Smallville, not to mention that a loser like Jensen Ackles and a wimp like Milo Ventigimilia were graded above Routh as well. So yes, I hope these comments Ive amde are true

The reason is because Routh would never be believeable as the akward 16 year old the part required. The role of Superman however is a different story and BR got it.

Guys like Jenson and Milo obviously werent up for Superman when they were casting for the film, it requires different stuff than 'teenage Clark' obviously.

[NotFadeAway]

See your ignorant almost childlike comments about people you don't know, makes everything else you have to say irrelevant.

Oh chill out, it's a message board.

But, ya know, as a sign of good faith, I'll remove those comments.

[NotFadeAway]

Naw, really..



The reason is because Routh would never be believeable as the akward 16 year old the part required. The role of Superman however is a different story and BR got it.

Guys like Jenson and Milo obviously werent up for Superman when they were casting for the film, it requires different stuff than 'teenage Clark' obviously.


Don't take this the wrong way, I don't want to start a fight, but "excuses, excuses". Seriously, in pictures taken at award shows, candid shots, etc, Routh looks younger than Welling, which he is.

[Justice Bringer]

Thats debateable, Welling does look alot older now but 6 years ago?

BR wasnt right for the role of teenage Clark Kent but he was right for Superman.

Reeve wouldnt have even been right for teenage Clark Kent, thats why we got Jeff East.

[NotFadeAway]

You know, another thing that bugs me, is that whenever Routh's ability comes into question, in any form, excuses for the man are launched immediately from every which way, but thsoe same excuse makers feel they have the right to harp all over Welling without hearing anyone out, even if those Welling supporters shove facts in there face.

I'm not accusing anyone in particular, I just don't like it!

[Justice Bringer]

I'm not sure what youre referring to b/c on all the polls on this boards and other superhero/superman ones Routh seems to get exceptional high praise.

But of course youre entitled to your opinion. I've seen fans on here that hate pretty much everything so anythings open for debate.

[NotFadeAway]

I'm not sure what youre referring to b/c on all the polls on this boards and other superhero/superman ones Routh seems to get exceptional high praise.

But of course youre entitled to your opinion. I've seen fans on here that hate pretty much everything so anythings open for debate.

Yea because the people who go to message boards that don't like Routh get harped on before they can get two words out by the board mainstays, so they leave.

Lets just agree to disagree!

[Justice Bringer]

Yea because the people who go to message boards that don't like Routh get harped on before they can get two words out by the board mainstays, so they leave.

Lets just agree to disagree!

You dont usually get harped on for voting and stuff.

But anyways, we generally keep an open mind here. I dont care if you have your preferences over Brandon Routh, obviously any actor can be surpassed.

[NotFadeAway]

My problem with Routh is that there were alot of instances in the film where he came off as a male fairy godmother. Routh just didn't give off that hero vibe, and it bugged me. And I know they tried to make the character more human and vulnerable, and I applaud that actually, but plenty of actors can pull off the emotional and vulnerable yet heroic figure, and Routh just didn't do it for me.

And in the deleted Smallville scene's, when Routh had a chance to make the role his own, he just wasn't that good at all. His best work in the film where instances when he Reeve's performance to build off of instead of making the role his own.

[Justice Bringer]

Its probably because he didnt get to throw a punch. Nothing to do with the actor.

I'm not sure what more he could have done with the lines he got. He didnt want to play Clark or Superman over the top.

[NotFadeAway]

Even if he had thrown a punch, I don't think it would have made much of a difference, atleast not in my case. I might have actually made him look worse, because when I try to visualize his Superman fighting to save Earth, I just, well, can't. But thats just me, I'm sure it's different for other people. Actually, you know what, the punches don't even matter. Routh, to me, just doesn't have the vibe of a hero.

And, about the lines, well thats a whole different can of worms. I thought the dialouge in Returns was atrocious, it was just flat.

[GNR]

Jla!jla!jla!

[mjbull23]

I am all for a JLA flick, as long as WB waits until the current run of both Bats and Supes franchises have run their course...

[super-t]

O YES!!!

www.supermanhomepage.com (http://www.supermanhomepage.com)

[Showtime]

Variety reports that the first draft for a "Justice League" movie has been completed by husband-wife writing duo Kieran Mulroney and Michele Mulroney.

One of the more ambitious projects around town - the bigscreen adaptation of DC Comics' "Justice League" - cleared a major hurdle last week.
Husband-wife writing duo Kieran Mulroney and Michele Mulroney turned in a first draft that had Warner Bros. suits actually smiling - no small feat, considering "Justice" follows a half-dozen of the best-known superheroes working together, including Batman and Superman.

But the accomplishment raises a tricky question for Warners: Should it release "Justice" before its "Superman Returns" sequel?

Christopher Nolan’s next Batman pic "The Dark Knight" bows in July 2008. Bryan Singer’s "Superman" follow-up had been expected to play in 2009. But there’s no script yet for that pic, while Singer is busy getting ready to shoot Tom Cruise starrer "Valkyrie" for UA.

The question now: Will a souped-up "Justice League" prove to be Kryptonite to Superman?


With Bryan Singer, Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris currently sitting down to write the script for the "Superman Returns" sequel, I have little doubt that the Superman project will continue to happen ahead of any "Justice League" movie.

[Dr. Fate]

I'm just surprised they got the draft done this quick.

[Showtime]

Shouldnt take that long for a professional screenwriter to churn out a first draft.

[Matt]

This could be interesting. If this knocks Warner Bros execs off their feet, there is a very good chance they will shelve SR2 in favor of it. Plus the timing is very interesting. Fantastic Four 2 (another ensemble superhero movie)'s success of failure could very well be a deciding factor.

[bunk]

Will this movie reference the Batman and Superman movies made? I don't really get this.

[deathshead2]

I highly doupt this movie will be made. But anyway congrats to the teaming writing it so quick. Can't wait for it to leak on the internet when the project is canned.

[Matt]

I highly doupt this movie will be made. But anyway congrats to the teaming writing it so quick. Can't wait for it to leak on the internet when the project is canned.

Don't be so confident. WB is already considering it (otherwise they wouldn't have commissioned a script). If Fantastic Four does well...it is a real possibility.

[Justice Bringer]

This could be WB/DC's answer to what Marvel is doing with the Avengers flick.

I can't see this replacing the 2009 Superman Sequel though mainly because the script features Superman AND Batman; and Nolan will obviously be given the chance to shoot a third Batman film after TDK.

They'll have to wait to launch this project after the Bat trilogy at least.

There are three threads on this in the DC films section:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=275477

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=272579

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=275246

[Justice Bringer]

http://www.cinematical.com/2007/06/1...een-turned-in/ (http://www.cinematical.com/2007/06/14/justice-league-script-has-been-turned-in/)

Quote:
In an article which talks about The Avengers (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0848228/) and Justice League projects, the Hollywood Reporter tells us (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i71226c295ae6757ddb3b334592479f53) that Kieran Mulroney (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0612487/) and Michele Mulroney (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1802251/) have submitted such a great draft of their Justice League script that Warner Bros. is now searching for a director. Meanwhile, Zak Penn (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0672015/) (who is slated to pen Avengers) has not started his script yet, and based on our conversation last month (http://www.cinematical.com/2007/05/04/tribeca-interview-the-grand-director-zak-penn/), he won't be doing so anytime soon. When I asked Penn what he'd be working on now that The Incredible Hulk was out of the way, he replied: "I'm also supposed to write The Avengers movie. I mean, I'm going to write that some day, but I don't think I'm going to write that soon. I think I'm going to write that down the line." And since that conversation took place only a month ago, I can't imagine "down the line" would only be 30 days later. However, if Warner Bros. begins to heat up their Justice League project, perhaps Marvel Studios will begin putting some pressure on Penn to write a draft. So far, there's no word on which characters are being included in either script, although some sources have alluded to the fact (http://www.cinematical.com/2007/03/22/batman-will-absolutely-be-in-justice-league-film-source-says/) that both Superman and Batman will be in Justice League, even though Warners is already knee-deep in reviving both franchises separately on the big screen. Avengers, on the other hand, include a bunch of characters who, as of today, have not appeared in their own big-screen revival(with the exception of Hulk, who is owned by Universal and probably wouldn't appear anyway). [WRONG!!!!] Iron Man is slated to be released next year, and we keep hearing about Thor (http://www.cinematical.com/2007/06/13/silver-surfer-solo-film-being-prepped-and-thor-may-get-directo/) and -- from time to time -- Captain America, but both Ant-Man and Wasp don't seem to be going anywhere. Will Marvel wait for all of them to have their own films before forging ahead on an Avengers film? Will they wait to see how Iron Man does first? Will they somehow find a way to get Robert Downey Jr. (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000375/) and Edward Norton (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001570/) (who's tapped to play the Hulk next summer) into an Avengers flick?
And what about Justice League? What about Christian Bale (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000288/) and Brandon Routh (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0746125/)? While it's still a bit early to begin speculating (HR says the answers could be "years in the making"), the wrong move (or script) could seriously jeopardize some pretty massive franchises. In my opinion, both are pretty huge risks -- and if I were Marvel and Warners, I'd make two really cool CGI flicks instead. Leave the live action stuff alone. But that's just me.

[Excel]

this wont be getting the green light anytime soon. maybe 2010's? i liked the idea of doing it in cgi animation ala the incredibles.

[Justice Bringer]

lol maybe WB has seen this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZntKMJFqLRA

:cool: :super: :batty: :gl: :ww:

[spideymusprime]

lol maybe WB has seen this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZntKMJFqLRA

:cool: :super: :batty: :gl: :ww:


That was awesome man! Goosebumps all over. LOL!

[Majik1387]

lol maybe WB has seen this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZntKMJFqLRA

:cool: :super: :batty: :gl: :ww:

This is the first Justice League fan trailer I like. :up:

[dude love]

Sequel is teh doomed lolz11!!11!!... *yawn*

If the Superman sequel is going to have many plane scene topping sequences and multiple villains ergo as much a potential toy seller as Justice League would be, then WB would want to go with both. Assuming of course WB like the Justice League script.

[Justice Bringer]

I think both will happen but the JLA film will happen YEARS from now; especially if Nolan is continuing with Batman beyond TDK. They cant have 2 Batmans on screen; look how much trouble the Smallville producers went through to get Bruce Wayne from Nolan and his department; and there was no way they'd approve it.

There can only be one actor playing a specific superhero at a specific timeframe. There can't be two Superman portrayals either and Supes and Batman are intergral to this script.

[Justice Bringer]

Here's my ideal JLA cast for this film whenever the hell it comes out;


Superman - Brandon Routh

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/tifflover/31.jpg

Batman - Christian Bale

http://www.webwombat.com.au/entertainment/movies/images/batman-begins-2.JPG

Aquaman - Thomas Jane

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/allposters/mmph/259043.jpg

Green Lantern - Nathan Fillion

http://www.whitenoisethelight.net/nathan_fillion.jpg

Martian Manhunter - Dominic Purcell

http://www.nndb.com/people/094/000103782/dominic-purcell-1-sized.jpg

The Flash - Jonathan Krasinski

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j319/piratesdaughter/random/john_krasinski.jpg

Wonder Woman - Taylor Cole

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/tifflover/taylorcoleforww1vs.jpg

[Angeloz]

What about "Superman: Doomsday"? ;)

Angeloz

[Justice Bringer]

That was awesome man! Goosebumps all over. LOL!

This is the first Justice League fan trailer I like. :up:

Thanks. I'm surprised how many views and links it got; considering I did it overnight one day on a hangover.

This news is making me put it back on da Sig. I took it out around April Fools when for some reason it kept linking to Police Academy 4. :/

[Justice Bringer]

What about "Superman: Doomsday"? ;)

Angeloz

So I forgot the words 'live action'.....didnt think I needed to spell it out for ya :p ;)

[Angeloz]

Just teasing. :)

Angeloz

[dude love]

Tom Welling for Superboy Prime!

[Angeloz]

Tom Welling for Superboy Prime!

Did you know smoking causes dementia? ;)

And how about those gravity defying waterfalls in NSW. I presume you're not flooded.

Angeloz

[dude love]

Did you know smoking causes dementia? ;)

I'll have the last laugh jabroni!

And how about those gravity defying waterfalls in NSW. I presume you're not flooded.

Angeloz

No, my car did skid off the road though :o

[Steelsheen]

you know there is a full discussion of this in the DC films forum. why dont you guys join us? :)

How's the JLA script? Its done (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=275477)

[Angeloz]

I'll have the last laugh jabroni!

Jabroni?

No, my car did skid off the road though :o

Not damaged? From wind or water? 'Cos they like to make no grip roads. :ninja:

Angeloz

[Super Kal]

sounds interesting

[superbaby]

funny, a movie without any schedule; the script has been completed. on the other hand, MOS with a fixed schedule; the script is still in development. ha.

sound fishy?

[Angeloz]

They're making other films first.

Angeloz

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

The script is not completed, its a first draft, the script will now be re written.

[Matt]

I think a lot of you are shrugging this off way too easily. There is a reason WB commissioned this script. If it does knock their socks off, SR2 could easily be put on the back burner. Batman can probably be editted out...Superman, not so much.

[Retroman]

As much as the idea of a Justice League movie excites me i'd rather they make a sequel to SR and establish some of the other heroes (Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern) in their own feature films before they push forward with this. It's interesting though that a draft is already done (much sooner than i expected) and the studio allegedly likes it.

[Matt]

As much as the idea of a Justice League movie excites me i'd rather they make a sequel to SR and establish some of the other heroes (Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern) in their own feature films before they push forward with this. It's interesting though that a draft is already done (much sooner than i expected) and the studio allegedly likes it.

See, I feel that a Justice League movie would be needed to get the greenlight on character's such as Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, etc. Otherwise they will follow the Wonder Woman-model (numerous directors, scripts, etc...never off the ground though)

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

If this movie gets off the Ground, its going to be one hell of an expensive movie.. lets face it, you are going to want to attract big stars to the film.

[Showtime]

This movie could be filmed taking cues from 300 to cut costs. 300 should have a huge influence on the movie industry.

[Showtime]

It seems that WB is happy with the 1st draft. At this point they could actually turn it over to another writing team to continue with, it depends on the contracts of the writers. It could just end up in WB's vault and never be made as well.

[Matt]

It seems that WB is happy with the 1st draft. At this point they could actually turn it over to another writing team to continue with, it depends on the contracts of the writers. It could just end up in WB's vault and never be made as well.

I honestly think Fantastic Four 2 will be a big deciding factor. It is an ensemble super hero movie...pretty much the only one. Its box office success (or failure) could help decide what to do with this.

[Justice Bringer]

I think a lot of you are shrugging this off way too easily. There is a reason WB commissioned this script. If it does knock their socks off, SR2 could easily be put on the back burner. Batman can probably be editted out...Superman, not so much.

That is possible but they would need to get to work on a second draft then; Batman's role obviously isnt just a cameo you can edit out easily.

If they want to do this to launch the other superhero franchaises; I could see the urgency here but I'd rather they wait till Superman MoS and Shawn Levy's The Flash come out first before trying to push them all into a JLA film.

[Showtime]

I honestly think Fantastic Four 2 will be a big deciding factor. It is an ensemble super hero movie...pretty much the only one. Its box office success (or failure) could help decide what to do with this.

I think WB will use X-Men and Fantastic Four as reference, I think WB wants to beat Avengers to the big screen. It's more fuel to the fire.

[Justice Bringer]

Hopefully more X-men......less of Fantastic 4; the reactions to F4-2 havent been so hot.

[Showtime]

Oh really? I haven't seen reaction yet? It made over 22million last night.

[Justice Bringer]

I've been going by our FF2 board and the very low 38% RT rating. I think I may still see it at some point just for the special effects but from the spoilers I read; if you didnt like how the first one is handled.....you wont like this; same type of cheesiness, same type of storytelling.

After Sm3; I'm not going to see a film opening night again unless I'm confident I would like it.

[Showtime]

I saw Spiderman 3 and it was a horrible mistake. I still havent seen FF, so to see FF2 at this point makes no sense.

[Justice Bringer]

My friends told me not to see FF until I lost a bet :/

[Showtime]

I think FF2 looks pretty fun action wise, but I can tell I am going to wretch with the dialogue.

[Justice Bringer]

And if WB uses that as a mold for JLA; Bale most likely wont have anything to do with it the second he reads the script.

Though I doubt this will be like F4; even the Teen Titans writers said for their movie they are following the style of Batman Begins and Superman Returns.

[AgentPat]

If this movie gets off the Ground, its going to be one hell of an expensive movie.. lets face it, you are going to want to attract big stars to the film.Depends. They could go with an entirely new ("noname") cast or cull actors from existing franchises. It depends on the script...


"casting will depend upon the story arc for the JLA feature and at what point in the superheroes' lives the plot takes place."
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117960018

"...word was circulating that one of the ideas the Mulroneys had was to structure "League" with an older Batman who was guiding a younger Superman and Wonder Woman..."
http://movies.msn.com/movies/hitlist/02-27-07_4?GT1=7701


I honestly think Fantastic Four 2 will be a big deciding factor.They will definitely be looking at it. Early B.O. estimates for Friday are looking very good, but the proof will be in the pudding after next weekend.

It is an ensemble super hero movieF4 and X-Men.

I think WB will use X-Men and Fantastic Four as reference, I think WB wants to beat Avengers to the big screen. It's more fuel to the fire.It's *always* a race between Warners and Fox. Look at X-Men 3 and SR.

[Retroman]

See, I feel that a Justice League movie would be needed to get the greenlight on character's such as Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, etc. Otherwise they will follow the Wonder Woman-model (numerous directors, scripts, etc...never off the ground though)
I hope not. But looking at it realistically this movie might be the only way for them to launch some of those characters own movies.The WW movie as you say just can't seem to get off the ground.

I wonder what Joel Silver and for that matter the producers of Flash, Shazam, Green Arrow etc. think of the JL movie?Hmm...

[Justice Bringer]

Well out of those three; Flash is the only one that would likely be in a JLA film. The logical thing to do would be to launch this thing after Superman:MoS and The Flash putting it head to head against the inevitable Avengers flick.

Shazam and Green Arrow could continue in their own franchaises. Shazam is more likely to be our answer to a Fantastic 4-like flick.

I hope they can hold this off till the sequel to TDK is done as well. I want Batman in this (obviously preferably played by Bale) but I have a feeling Nolan is setting up a trilogy based on the TDK spoilers ive seen.

[Matt]

Depends. They could go with an entirely new ("noname") cast or cull actors from existing franchises. It depends on the script...


[indent]"casting will depend upon the story arc for the JLA feature and at what point in the superheroes' lives the plot takes place."
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117960018


Casting can actually be really cheap.

Brandon Routh can play Superman...he wouldn't be expensive, especially if they just use his SR contract. Probably 2 or 3 million. But if they do scrap SR2 for this, I doubt they'd want to connect it to SR...plus considering Superman's leadership role...I see an older Superman. Plus an actor with drawing power to carry the movie. At most, 6, 7 million for Big Blue.

Flash - Ryan Reynolds is the obvious choice, plus since Flash has been his pet project for the past couple years, trying to get it off the ground he should come relatively cheap...3 million.

Wonder Woman - Monica Baccarin was a contender when Whedon was making it. She would only cost a million or so. Or you can go with a big name around Ryan Reynold's level for 3 million to help carry the movie.

Manhunter - After seeing the Silver Surfer, WB will probably go with something similar...so a mix of CGI and makeup actor like Doug Jones with a big name like Patrick Stewart doing a voice over. Being as it is only voice work however, it won't cost too much. Overall, the character would probably cost 3 million when you pay both the voice and the motion actor.

Green Lantern - This is the perfect role for an unknown that will only cost about a million and then being as it could very well be the break out character, he could be franchise building material. (What Routh was meant to be).

Aquaman - A decent, midlevel, midaged actor, who has some name recognition, but is no Brad Pitt. A successful TV actor...call me crazy, but Keifer Sutherland might work. He would probably go for about 3 or 4 mil.

So there you go, a Justice League cast for 18-20 million dollars.

[Dr. Fate]

I'd like to see Gerard Butler as Aquaman, but that would take a lot of blonde hair dye. Or a wig.

[Matt]

I'd like to see Gerard Butler as Aquaman, but that would take a lot of blonde hair dye. Or a wig.

Another good call. For Aquaman, you'd need a midaged, sort of well known (Not Brad Pitt, not George Clooney, but known) type actor.

[Justice Bringer]

Casting can actually be really cheap.

Brandon Routh can play Superman...he wouldn't be expensive, especially if they just use his SR contract. Probably 2 or 3 million. But if they do scrap SR2 for this, I doubt they'd want to connect it to SR...plus considering Superman's leadership role...I see an older Superman. Plus an actor with drawing power to carry the movie. At most, 6, 7 million for Big Blue.

Flash - Ryan Reynolds is the obvious choice, plus since Flash has been his pet project for the past couple years, trying to get it off the ground he should come relatively cheap...3 million.

Wonder Woman - Monica Baccarin was a contender when Whedon was making it. She would only cost a million or so. Or you can go with a big name around Ryan Reynold's level for 3 million to help carry the movie.

Manhunter - After seeing the Silver Surfer, WB will probably go with something similar...so a mix of CGI and makeup actor like Doug Jones with a big name like Patrick Stewart doing a voice over. Being as it is only voice work however, it won't cost too much. Overall, the character would probably cost 3 million when you pay both the voice and the motion actor.

Green Lantern - This is the perfect role for an unknown that will only cost about a million and then being as it could very well be the break out character, he could be franchise building material. (What Routh was meant to be).

Aquaman - A decent, midlevel, midaged actor, who has some name recognition, but is no Brad Pitt. A successful TV actor...call me crazy, but Keifer Sutherland might work. He would probably go for about 3 or 4 mil.

So there you go, a Justice League cast for 18-20 million dollars.

Ryan Reynolds wont happen for The Flash. Its obvious. He was Goyer's choice for it but with all the internal politics and Goyer being replaced by Levy; I really doubt theyll select him for this.

Morena B lost alot of her chances when Whedon left as well.

Sutherland would never do a project like this....especially Aquaman; and whoever thought Gerald Butler would want to play Aquaman....get real...cmon :/

If Brandon Routh was in this; you would obviously have to tie it to SR and its sequel.

[Matt]

Ryan Reynolds wont happen for The Flash. Its obvious. He was Goyer's choice for it but with all the internal politics and Goyer being replaced by Levy; I really doubt theyll select him for this.

Morena B lost alot of her chances when Whedon left as well.

Sutherland would never do a project like this....especially Aquaman; and whoever thought Gerald Butler would want to play Aquaman....get real...cmon :/

If Brandon Routh was in this; you would obviously have to tie it to SR and its sequel.


You assume to much, WB loves Reynolds, even if he was Goyer's choice. He has done numerous movies for Warners. He has drawing power. He is still top contender, and a JLA movie would have nothing to do with Levy.

Baccarin, granted...but if they do a Justice League movie and her agent plays his cards right, there is a chance she could get back in the running.

Sutherland...a lot of people said he would never do a show like 24. He will need to do something big with 24 ending in 2009 to break the type casting of Jack Bauer. Something new, like he has never done before.

[BenReilly19]

I think it would be a mistake to have all these new characters that the audience have yet to meet, appear in a film already established. They need to be introduced and developed in their own movies before they all appear in a ensemble film or else what's the point? Why should the audience care?

See, Marvel knows what it's doing. They're going to launch all their heroes in their own movies first. Iron Man and Hulk next year, Captain America and possibly Thor in the following year and so on. Then once all of these characters are established and known to the audience, they will bring them all together in their own Avengers movie. The impact will be so much better because it will actually feel like Earth's Mightiest Heroes coming together for the first time.

[Justice Bringer]

You assume to much, WB loves Reynolds, even if he was Goyer's choice. He has done numerous movies for Warners. He has drawing power. He is still top contender, and a JLA movie would have nothing to do with Levy.

If Flash appears in this; it would have to be the same Flash from the Levy film(s). They can't have multiple actors playing the same parts during the same timeframe. They are so obviously against that and go out of their way to avoid that.

I personally think there are way better choices out there for this role than Ryan Reynolds but regardless; if hes not cast in the Shawn Levy film....its unlikely he'll appear as the Flash in this.

Baccarin, granted...but if they do a Justice League movie and her agent plays his cards right, there is a chance she could get back in the running..

Same could be said for any actress actually.

Sutherland...a lot of people said he would never do a show like 24. He will need to do something big with 24 ending in 2009 to break the type casting of Jack Bauer. Something new, like he has never done before...

Sutherland is probably one of my favorite actors... and it would be awesome to see him in a film like this; but realistically.....as a secondary character....like Aquaman (of all characters)? That sooo wont happen.

If anything; the only superhero role he'd probably give a thought about would be Goyer's Green Arrow film.

[COMPO]

who's going to be main villian? Injustice gang? A White Martain invasion? Darksied

[Justice Bringer]

In my trailer; its the white martian invasion....considering they can infiltrate and masquerade as humans.

[GreenKToo]

I know this is just wishful thinking, but with all the talk of a J.L. film being made, I would love to see it setup in the S.R. sequel.

Have Darkseid come to earth because of N.K. He is too powerful for superman to handle alone but supes faces him anyway. The first fight is a draw, but superman gets defeated in the second confrontation after a long struggle.

Other heroes around the world see the fight on the news and see a victorious Darkseid holding superman up by his cape, gloating that mankind is under his rule now.

Some of the heroes are reluctant to interfere. If superman was defeated what chance do they have they think. They need someone to guide them, a leader.

It would end with a shot of Bruce Wayne alone in the Batcave watching the news and seeing a defeated superman there in. Bruce looks down at his desk through a pile of photographs and info on other heroes. ( the flash, green lantern, W.W.).

EDIT: and have that same end shot of Bruce in the S.R. sequel at the end of T.D.K. as well. ( I know, again wishful thinking.)

[Justice Bringer]

I wouldnt like that. The Superman film needs to be able to stand on its own; plus Brainiac is the next logical step in the \S/ story. I think Darkseid would be too far of a leap for the sequel.

I dont mind Bruce being mentioned but he shouldnt been seen yet.

[manofsteel4life]

That was awesome man! Goosebumps all over. LOL!
that was hot!! impressive

[AgentPat]

Casting can actually be really cheap....
So there you go, a Justice League cast for 18-20 million dollars.Yeah, considering what some actors *cough*Tom Cruise*cough* get, plus a cut off the back end, I think casting salaries are the least of their worries.

It really depends on what the goal is here. I'd imagine Warners would want to use a JLA film to jump-start the individual franchises (WW, Flash, etc.), but they've got one foot in the door and one foot out: Batman and Superman have already been started. So do they use one or both of the actors from those franchises and hope the casting for the other characters "works," or do they leave one or both out and recast the roles for the JLA pic, assuming a setting that takes place well before or after the other franchises' time periods? They have quite a lot to consider here.

I like the idea of an older Batman (Bale) guiding "younger" heroes, but Warners has to be careful that they're not painting themselves into a corner with that approach. At this stage, there is no cross continuity established for the current Superman and Batman franchises, either of which could take place many years before or after the other. Once they cast that die however, they'll have to stick to it. Otherwise, they'll be faced with anachronous continuities between the individual franchises and the JLA group version.

The sticking point right now is probably Superman. Unlike Batman, the current Superman franchise has received a great deal more flack from various POV, and critical praise means squat. FF2 is being hammered by critics, but it didn't stop audiences from buying almost $23M at the B.O. for its opening day (BB: $15M; SR: $21M; F4: $21M; X-Men: $21M; X2: $31M, X3: $45M.) Warners will be juggling short term profits over long term benefits. They could shoot a "300" sound stage version and do boffo business right out of the opening weekend, but then find themselves between a rock and a hard place when they want to develop the individual franchises. It's a bit of a nightmare for them, I'd imagine. Quick money right now, or more money later? Considering all of the false starts and development hell Warners has endured, I think they're their own worst enemies.

[Showtime]

Yeah, considering what some actors *cough*Tom Cruise*cough* get, plus a cut off the back end, I think casting salaries are the least of their worries.

It really depends on what the goal is here. I'd imagine Warners would want to use a JLA film to jump-start the individual franchises (WW, Flash, etc.), but they've got one foot in the door and one foot out: Batman and Superman have already been started. So do they use one or both of the actors from those franchises and hope the casting for the other characters "works," or do they leave one or both out and recast the roles for the JLA pic, assuming a setting that takes place well before or after the other franchises' time periods? They have quite a lot to consider here.

I like the idea of an older Batman (Bale) guiding "younger" heroes, but Warners has to be careful that they're not painting themselves into a corner with that approach. At this stage, there is no cross continuity established for the current Superman and Batman franchises, either of which could take place many years before or after the other. Once they cast that die however, they'll have to stick to it. Otherwise, they'll be faced with anachronous continuities between the individual franchises and the JLA group version.

The sticking point right now is probably Superman. Unlike Batman, the current Superman franchise has received a great deal more flack from various POV, and critical praise means squat. FF2 is being hammered by critics, but it didn't stop audiences from buying almost $23M at the B.O. for its opening day (BB: $15M; SR: $21M; F4: $21M; X-Men: $21M; X2: $31M, X3: $45M.) Warners will be juggling short term profits over long term benefits. They could shoot a "300" sound stage version and do boffo business right out of the opening weekend, but then find themselves between a rock and a hard place when they want to develop the individual franchises. It's a bit of a nightmare for them, I'd imagine. Quick money right now, or more money later? Considering all of the false starts and development hell Warners has endured, I think they're their own worst enemies.

Really well thought out post Patty.

[Steelsheen]

The script is not completed, its a first draft, the script will now be re written.
that's what i'm thinking, yet the article says that the draft was enough for WB to start looking for a director :huh:


As much as the idea of a Justice League movie excites me i'd rather they make a sequel to SR and establish some of the other heroes (Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern) in their own feature films before they push forward with this. It's interesting though that a draft is already done (much sooner than i expected) and the studio allegedly likes it.
thats what i want too. that was the original plan. but things fell through and now everything has stalled.


If this movie gets off the Ground, its going to be one hell of an expensive movie.. lets face it, you are going to want to attract big stars to the film.
not necessarily Robo. you need competent actors first and foremost, and there are actors like that that doesnt command a ridiculous salary. Bale is one of those actors (at least before BB came out). the tricky part isnt always about the money, its finding the perfect talent with the right pricetag.


It seems that WB is happy with the 1st draft. At this point they could actually turn it over to another writing team to continue with, it depends on the contracts of the writers. It could just end up in WB's vault and never be made as well.
sad but true :(




"...word was circulating that one of the ideas the Mulroneys had was to structure "League" with an older Batman who was guiding a younger Superman and Wonder Woman..."
http://movies.msn.com/movies/hitlist/02-27-07_4?GT1=7701[/indent]
an older Bats... well there goes the hope that Superman is the leader of the League. :dry:


Ryan Reynolds wont happen for The Flash. Its obvious. He was Goyer's choice for it but with all the internal politics and Goyer being replaced by Levy; I really doubt theyll select him for this.
Reynolds is a heavy fan favorite JB, and as was mentioned Reynolds has done a lot of movies for WB, the fact that Goyer has mentioned his name would at least assure that his profile will be one of those looked into by the new creative team. heck Routh was the front runner when McG (?) was still helming SR and the first stack Singer looked into were those that previous directors have already shortlisted. i know this isnt an insurrance policy, but i'd say that odds are in Reynolds' favor when it comes to playing The Flash.

If Brandon Routh was in this; you would obviously have to tie it to SR and its sequel.
its a given. the same argument can be used for Bale in Nolan's movies.

[Justice Bringer]

an older Bats... well there goes the hope that Superman is the leader of the League. :dry:.

Relax. Its an unconfirmed rumor about Batman being an old guy who mentors a young Superman and Wonder Woman. We arent certain if that was what was in their script.



Reynolds is a heavy fan favorite JB, and as was mentioned Reynolds has done a lot of movies for WB, the fact that Goyer has mentioned his name would at least assure that his profile will be one of those looked into by the new creative team. heck Routh was the front runner when McG (?) was still helming SR and the first stack Singer looked into were those that previous directors have already shortlisted. i know this isnt an insurrance policy, but i'd say that odds are in Reynolds' favor when it comes to playing The Flash..

Routh was a front runner with McG? Didnt think so.

Ryan, IMO, would appear too old to be Wally West (in his mid 30s) by the time this thing actually starts filming. I always thought of Wally as more of a kid in his early to mid 20s (with more of a Tobey Mcguire-like build) .....thats part of the reason he wouldnt be my first choice; plus there are known actors with better comedic timing out there. Caviezel was a fan favorite for Superman too but obviously that didnt happen and now BR is popular among the fans.

I'm very skeptical of Ryan's involvement in the Shawn Levy project. The studio seems to be doing a 180 with with Flash compared to what Goyer had in mind.

[Majik1387]

Any rumors of who the villain(s) are gonna be?

[Justice Bringer]

We dont even have any confirmed plot details.

[Majik1387]

Boo. :(

[Steelsheen]

Routh was a front runner with McG? Didnt think so.


yes he was. cant recall if it was McG or Ratner or whomever, but i'm pretty sure he was one of the shortlisted actors before that director bailed. Singer said the same thing in numerous interviews as well as the DVD. so did Routh.


Ryan, IMO, would appear too old to be Wally West (in his mid 30s) by the time this thing actually starts filming. I always thought of Wally as more of a kid in his early to mid 20s (with more of a Tobey Mcguire-like build) .....thats part of the reason he wouldnt be my first choice; plus there are known actors with better comedic timing out there.
well, if only Topher Grace didnt already play a certain popular comic book character he'd be a shoo in for Wally West.

in any case, Reynolds has a youngish look to him, he can still pull it off. also, we cant be sure if The Flash will be Wally West or Barry Allen. if they're gonna go with an origins tale it will surely be Barry Allen.

[Justice Bringer]

yes he was. cant recall if it was McG or Ratner or whomever, but i'm pretty sure he was one of the shortlisted actors before that director bailed. Singer said the same thing in numerous interviews as well as the DVD. so did Routh..

I didnt see him mentioned on the boards or whatnot during that period; perhaps it wasnt public.

well, if only Topher Grace didnt already play a certain popular comic book character he'd be a shoo in for Wally West...

Topher Grace....pfft he sucks.

Jon Krasinski (The Office, License to Wed) would be perfect for Wally West and IMO looks the part more; check out some clips of him from the Office (his mannerisms, comedic timing and antics are sooo Wally):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6JsljkbMwI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4cGb0S_oMo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P45a51Jva7c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-f3q6C-8OE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3d6ckQoVto

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j319/piratesdaughter/random/john_krasinski.jpg http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/8/3/7/3/12583738-12583741-large.jpg

in any case, Reynolds has a youngish look to him, he can still pull it off. also, we cant be sure if The Flash will be Wally West or Barry Allen. if they're gonna go with an origins tale it will surely be Barry Allen...

If its Barry Allen; Reynolds definately wouldnt be the best candidate for it.

[darkseid26]

we have found our martain manhunter!


http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/5620/mmsupessb7.jpg

[darkseid26]

darkseid or white martains for villians them or anti-monitor JK

[nintendo nerd]

we have found our martain manhunter!


http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/5620/mmsupessb7.jpg

It's the green surfer!!!! :oldrazz:

[Justice Bringer]

Ya the Silver Surfer CGI would suck for MM. Silver Surfer is metallic and silver so it works. For J'onn youd have to make him look organic with skin; alot harder to animate.

[Matt]

who's going to be main villian? Injustice gang? A White Martain invasion? Darksied

White martains are the obvious step for a first movie.

Firstly, they are easy to do and don't require much development, and since there will be so many heroes who need development, a simple villian will make that easier.

Second, you need that kind of world wide catastrophe to bring the League together for the first time. They are that calibre of threat.

[Matt]

Yeah, considering what some actors *cough*Tom Cruise*cough* get, plus a cut off the back end, I think casting salaries are the least of their worries.

It really depends on what the goal is here. I'd imagine Warners would want to use a JLA film to jump-start the individual franchises (WW, Flash, etc.), but they've got one foot in the door and one foot out: Batman and Superman have already been started. So do they use one or both of the actors from those franchises and hope the casting for the other characters "works," or do they leave one or both out and recast the roles for the JLA pic, assuming a setting that takes place well before or after the other franchises' time periods? They have quite a lot to consider here.

I like the idea of an older Batman (Bale) guiding "younger" heroes, but Warners has to be careful that they're not painting themselves into a corner with that approach. At this stage, there is no cross continuity established for the current Superman and Batman franchises, either of which could take place many years before or after the other. Once they cast that die however, they'll have to stick to it. Otherwise, they'll be faced with anachronous continuities between the individual franchises and the JLA group version.

The sticking point right now is probably Superman. Unlike Batman, the current Superman franchise has received a great deal more flack from various POV, and critical praise means squat. FF2 is being hammered by critics, but it didn't stop audiences from buying almost $23M at the B.O. for its opening day (BB: $15M; SR: $21M; F4: $21M; X-Men: $21M; X2: $31M, X3: $45M.) Warners will be juggling short term profits over long term benefits. They could shoot a "300" sound stage version and do boffo business right out of the opening weekend, but then find themselves between a rock and a hard place when they want to develop the individual franchises. It's a bit of a nightmare for them, I'd imagine. Quick money right now, or more money later? Considering all of the false starts and development hell Warners has endured, I think they're their own worst enemies.

Pat, we may have had our disputes over whether or not Welling would make a good big screen Supes (funny, that in the end we both got something we hate :cwink:)...but goddamn do I respect you. Great post :up:

[Justice Bringer]

Third, the White Martians can be disguised as humans for most of the film.....saving some dough.

[Matt]

I didnt see him mentioned on the boards or whatnot during that period; perhaps it wasnt public.



Topher Grace....pfft he sucks.

Jon Krasinski (The Office, License to Wed) would be perfect for Wally West and IMO looks the part more; check out some clips of him from the Office (his mannerisms, comedic timing and antics are sooo Wally):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6JsljkbMwI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4cGb0S_oMo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P45a51Jva7c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-f3q6C-8OE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3d6ckQoVto

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j319/piratesdaughter/random/john_krasinski.jpg http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/8/3/7/3/12583738-12583741-large.jpg



If its Barry Allen; Reynolds definately wouldnt be the best candidate for it.


I love John Krasinski...but...I dunno. Firstly, his commitment to The Office would make it very hard for him to do this kind of big budget, drawn out project. Plus he hasn't really proven himself in anything of that calibre. Sure, he is funny on a sitcom...but can he do something like this? But goddamn...I gotta admit I'd love to see him try.

[Matt]

Third, the White Martians can be disguised as humans for most of the film.....saving some dough.

Good point, and in terms of main villian...how great would Robert Patrick (The T-100) be as their leader who infilitrates the US military or something along those lines?

[Justice Bringer]

I love John Krasinski...but...I dunno. Firstly, his commitment to The Office would make it very hard for him to do this kind of big budget, drawn out project. Plus he hasn't really proven himself in anything of that calibre. Sure, he is funny on a sitcom...but can he do something like this? But goddamn...I gotta admit I'd love to see him try.

This JLA film is possibly years away though. The Shawn Levy Flash project has a better chance at an earlier completion and that would be his best shot for his debut as Flash.

Acting wise I'm certain he can handle it (all it takes is good comedic delivery and timing; hes hilarious from what I've seen so far from License to Wed).

How long would a project like Levy's Flash take to film? I dont think The Office has a very heavy filming schedule; unlike hour long dramas and what-not.

Hes so much like a live-action version of Rosenbaum's Wally West in his interviews like this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykuer56GuWI

I think he'd be fun (and probably comparitively affordable) in this role.

[Matt]

This JLA film is possibly years away though. The Shawn Levy Flash project has a better chance at an earlier completion and that would be his best shot for his debut as Flash.

Acting wise I'm certain he can handle it (all it takes is good comedic delivery and timing; hes hilarious from what I've seen so far from License to Wed).

How long would a project like Levy's Flash take to film? I dont think The Office has a very heavy filming schedule; unlike hour long dramas and what-not.

Don't be so sure. The Office is quickly becoming the new Seinfeld to NBC. There is talk of up-ing the number of episodes and making more hour long episodes. Not to mention, if you watch the DVDs, 95 % of the episodes have enough deleted scenes to push them well beyond an hour. There is quite a bit of production that goes into it. And unlike most shows, because of the work place setting, even when the actors aren't the focus of a scene, they still have to be at their desks in the background. You should listen to some of the DVD commentaries...quite a bit goes into making each episode.

[Justice Bringer]

Hes got like two other movies not including License to Wed currently in Post-Production; meaning he'd have to have found the time to shoot these three movies somewhere.

But the same token; I wouldnt be against Ryan Reynolds getting the role either but I personally have a preference for lesser known actors getting these types of superhero roles.

[Matt]

Hes got like two other movies not including License to Wed currently in Post-Production; meaning he'd have to have found the time to shoot these three movies somewhere.

But the same token; I wouldnt be against Ryan Reynolds getting the role either but I personally have a preference for lesser known actors getting these types of superhero roles.

These are all small budget comedies that take 30 days to shoot...not a big budget action movie with 9 months of filming.

[Steelsheen]

I didnt see him mentioned on the boards or whatnot during that period; perhaps it wasnt public.

yes it was, shortly after Routh was announced as Superman. i wish i have articles and links to back it up, but anyone who's been around here as long as i have and have followed up with production as much as i did will tell you it was public knowledge, its just wasnt spread around as much as say... the news about his package. :whatever:



Jon Krasinski (The Office, License to Wed) would be perfect for Wally West and IMO looks the part more; check out some clips of him from the Office (his mannerisms, comedic timing and antics are sooo Wally):


yeah i can see Wally in the guy, but not Barry. at this point when i'm selecting for a Flash candidate i have to keep in mind that the actors not only needs to have excellent comedic timing but also are versatile enough to take on either character, Barry or Wally.

[BH/HHH]

I'm pretty sure they'll do a sequel to Superman before they do Justice League, how does JL affect the 3rd Batman movie aswell? Nolan clearly has plans for his third film, with bale only signed on for 3 films as the Bat, I can't see him doing a JL movie, he has already stated that he doesn't like the idea of a Batman/Superman movie so I doubt he'll be on board for a JL movie. I reckon Brandon will be Superman in Justice League but I doubt Bale will be the Batman.

[BH/HHH]

lol maybe WB has seen this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZntKMJFqLRA

:cool: :super: :batty: :gl: :ww:

that was awesome, James Caviezel would be awesome as Hal Jordan. I got a very leadership feeling from Superman in that trailer aswell, bloody brilliant.

[Steelsheen]

I'm pretty sure they'll do a sequel to Superman before they do Justice League, how does JL affect the 3rd Batman movie aswell? Nolan clearly has plans for his third film, with bale only signed on for 3 films as the Bat, I can't see him doing a JL movie, he has already stated that he doesn't like the idea of a Batman/Superman movie so I doubt he'll be on board for a JL movie. I reckon Brandon will be Superman in Justice League but I doubt Bale will be the Batman.

strange, the last we've heard from Bale about the project is that he's interested in it. there was an article a while back about it.

some of the BOFers even mentioned that Bale would consider doing a team up movie provided that Routh plays Superman. i'm skeptical about this (mostly because of the source) but there you go.

[Justice Bringer]

yeah i can see Wally in the guy, but not Barry. at this point when i'm selecting for a Flash candidate i have to keep in mind that the actors not only needs to have excellent comedic timing but also are versatile enough to take on either character, Barry or Wally.

Barry and Wally are so damn different though; Barry is alot more straight laced. I dont think theres an actor who'd be right for both. And yea; I was only suggesting John K for Barry.

[Justice Bringer]

These are all small budget comedies that take 30 days to shoot...not a big budget action movie with 9 months of filming.

Its possible but we cant say definitively what his schedule is like and how long those 3 films took individually to film. 9 months sounds a little excessive to film The Flash though.

How long did Fantastic Four take to film? Not including all the postproduction CGI work.

[Justice Bringer]

I'm pretty sure they'll do a sequel to Superman before they do Justice League, how does JL affect the 3rd Batman movie aswell? Nolan clearly has plans for his third film, with bale only signed on for 3 films as the Bat, I can't see him doing a JL movie, he has already stated that he doesn't like the idea of a Batman/Superman movie so I doubt he'll be on board for a JL movie. I reckon Brandon will be Superman in Justice League but I doubt Bale will be the Batman.

I heard he had an ensemble film option in his contract once he mentioned and it was reported he was down for a Batman/Superman film as long as the script was tight. I never saw any reports about him against it.

Nolan will most definitely do a 3rd film; meaning this JL film would have to come out after Batman III in order to be able to feature Batman.

That definitely gives us enough time for a Superman MoS film and The Flash before JLA; as long as they dont decide to write Batman out of it.

Bale once made a statement during the BB press that he would do 6 movies as long as the script is tight and the direction is the same approach as Nolan. Hes a really dedicated...and crazy mofo.

It makes sense that the studio would approach him and Brandon for this; considering there are five other new characters for the audience to acclimate to.......it would make things even more confusing to audiences if new Superman and Batman actors showed up with new continuities behind them; so soon after the Singer and Nolan films.

Personally I wanted a World's Finest film first; but I'm willing to rather have a JLA film as the last thing Bale and Routh do before they pack up their tights and move on.

[BH/HHH]

strange, the last we've heard from Bale about the project is that he's interested in it. there was an article a while back about it.

some of the BOFers even mentioned that Bale would consider doing a team up movie provided that Routh plays Superman. i'm skeptical about this (mostly because of the source) but there you go.

Was there? I don't remember, I just remember at one time he thought Superman/Batman should be kept seperate. Maybe he just meant for now.

I heard he had an ensemble film option in his contract once he mentioned and it was reported he was down for a Batman/Superman film as long as the script was tight. I never saw any reports about him against it.

Nolan will most definitely do a 3rd film; meaning this JL film would have to come out after Batman III in order to be able to feature Batman.

That definitely gives us enough time for a Superman MoS film and The Flash before JLA; as long as they dont decide to write Batman out of it.

Bale once made a statement during the BB press that he would do 6 movies as long as the script is tight and the direction is the same approach as Nolan. Hes a really dedicated...and crazy mofo.

It makes sense that the studio would approach him and Brandon for this; considering there are five other new characters for the audience to acclimate to.......it would make things even more confusing to audiences if new Superman and Batman actors showed up with new continuities behind them; so soon after the Singer and Nolan films.

Personally I wanted a World's Finest film first; but I'm willing to rather have a JLA film as the last thing Bale and Routh do before they pack up their tights and move on.

Again I never read anything, I'm sure ages ago he said he thought it best to keep them seperate.

I agree with you on Worlds Finest.

[Steelsheen]

Barry and Wally are so damn different though; Barry is alot more straight laced. I dont think theres an actor who'd be right for both. And yea; I was only suggesting John K for Barry.

Barry has a witty streak in him, he isnt always so serious, but Wacky Wally he's not.


Was there? I don't remember, I just remember at one time he thought Superman/Batman should be kept seperate. Maybe he just meant for now.

again i wish i have the article/ link saved, but there was a published interview. i remember it with distinction because its one of the few things that surprised me about Bale (for all the years i've been a fan of his), i had half expected him to say no, but as bright as the batsignal he said it: he would actually be amenable to do a team up movie with Superman. that's when he mentioned something about the discussion/ clause when he was arranging his contract with BB.

a few years later Routh echoed the same thing. so Bale wasnt pulling it out of his ass (as he's wont to do sometimes in interviews ;))

[BH/HHH]

Barry has a witty streak in him, he isnt always so serious, but Wacky Wally he's not.




again i wish i have the article/ link saved, but there was a published interview. i remember it with distinction because its one of the few things that surprised me about Bale (for all the years i've been a fan of his), i had half expected him to say no, but as bright as the batsignal he said it: he would actually be amenable to do a team up movie with Superman. that's when he mentioned something about the discussion/ clause when he was arranging his contract with BB.

a few years later Routh echoed the same thing. so Bale wasnt pulling it out of his ass (as he's wont to do sometimes in interviews ;))

Cool, lets hope it happens then :D

[Matt]

yeah i can see Wally in the guy, but not Barry. at this point when i'm selecting for a Flash candidate i have to keep in mind that the actors not only needs to have excellent comedic timing but also are versatile enough to take on either character, Barry or Wally.

I agree, because I think regardless of what they name the character, it'll probably be a mix of the two.

[Showtime]

I believe Goyer's script somehow combined the two versions.

[Steelsheen]

so i've heard.

[Showtime]

Unfortunately it was too dark, as was Whendon's Wonder Woman script. After Superman Returns WB wants to potray characters like the Flash and Wonder Woman in a Spiderman type manner.

[BenReilly19]

Ryan Reynolds would be perfect for the Flash. Just like Christian Bale was for Batman, Reynolds was born to play the role. Dude's got genius comedic timing.

There was an interview with Reynolds where he says he would still be interested in playing the Flash (even without David Goyer's involvement) but only if it was the Wally West version of the character. He has no interest in playing Barry Allen.

Now that David Goyer’s left ‘The Flash’ project does that mean you’re off the project as well?

Um, you know I was never officially on the project so…it’s just something that most of the fan boys have felt like there’s a strong similarity between Ryan Reynolds and Wally West. So, I certainly know of Wally and have read all the comic books and I’d love to jump in there and play him. I don’t know where the direction of the Flash is going to go from here though. Shawn Levy is taking it over and they may decide that Barry Allen is the one that they want in there, an older version of the Flash, and that is something that I wouldn’t be interested in playing. But if it was Wally I would definitely be curious.

http://www.moviehole.net/interviews/20070209_exclusive_interview_ryan_reyno.html

[Majik1387]

God, I must be the only one who doesn't want Reynolds for the Wally Flash at all.

[Steelsheen]

Unfortunately it was too dark, as was Whendon's Wonder Woman script. After Superman Returns WB wants to potray characters like the Flash and Wonder Woman in a Spiderman type manner.
ok, Goyer's script being a little too dark and WB wanting to add some humour i remember. i dont think there was any word about Whedon's WW script, God knows i tried hunting down any info related to it.


Ryan Reynolds would be perfect for the Flash. Just like Christian Bale was for Batman, Reynolds was born to play the role. Dude's got genius comedic timing.

There was an interview with Reynolds where he says he would still be interested in playing the Flash (even without David Goyer's involvement) but only if it was the Wally West version of the character. He has no interest in playing Barry Allen.



yeah i remember this interview. makes me wonder if Reynolds is still gonna go for it if the character is a half and half of Barry and Wally.

[SuperAl]

God, I must be the only one who doesn't want Reynolds for the Wally Flash at all.

i actually agree with you, im not much of a fan of him. I dont find him very funny. I always thought Ryan Gosling would be a good flash, hes a good actor and his body type kinda looks like hte flash drawings.

I just hope they have both Routh and Bale in the JL movie. Instead of recasting all the superheroes.

[Showtime]

ok, Goyer's script being a little too dark and WB wanting to add some humour i remember. i dont think there was any word about Whedon's WW script, God knows i tried hunting down any info related to it.




yeah i remember this interview. makes me wonder if Reynolds is still gonna go for it if the character is a half and half of Barry and Wally.

There were several articles about Whendon's script floating about and there was an a message on his blog.

[Steelsheen]

There were several articles about Whendon's script floating about and there was an a message on his blog.
yeah the blog we read. it had nothing.

i dunno about that man. what i can tell you is us WW fans have been looking for that or any word about it. we'd like to know what is it that Whedon wasted 2 years on and wound up being rejected by WB anyway. i mean we managed to get some feedback on that secret spec script WB bought after Whedon left, but nill on the Whedon work.

what did you hear about that Whedon WW script?

[Showtime]

The Whendon script was set in modern times and was more raw and gritty than WB wanted to see Wonder Woman. They wanted something more epic such as STM as an origin tale, and that is what was featured in the script they snatched off the market. They want to take elements of that script and apply it to Wonder Woman. My guess is that they are still going to use elements of Whedon's script and combine it with the Jennison/Strickland script. They will just have somebody come in and do a rewrite, it happens all the time.

[bgshw44]

The Whendon script was set in modern times and was more raw and gritty than WB wanted to see Wonder Woman. They wanted something more epic such as STM as an origin tale, and that is what was featured in the script they snatched off the market. They want to take elements of that script and apply it to Wonder Woman. My guess is that they are still going to use elements of Whedon's script and combine it with the Jennison/Strickland script. They will just have somebody come in and do a rewrite, it happens all the time.

I thought it was set during WWII?

[Showtime]

The script that they took off the market from Jennison/Strickland was set in WW2, the Whendon script was modern.

[Justice Bringer]

You know the Avengers film is ages away too; since the studio wants Iron Man, Capt America, Ant-man and Hulk films first....but apparently Zak Penn was already called to write the script, he just hasnt had time yet.

This JL script could be the same deal.

[Qwerty©]

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I feel Justice League should have the same feel as Independence Day.

[Showtime]

Anything can happen with this script, it might not even see the light of day. It's just an early draft of a script for a movie that might never be made. No big deal.

[Matt]

Anything can happen with this script, it might not even see the light of day. It's just an early draft of a script for a movie that might never be made. No big deal.

You're right, of course...but keep in mind, this isn't the case of eager writers just submitting a pitch. Warner Bros commissioned the script. That implies to me that they are unhappy with the results they got from SR...and want all their options on the table before they greenlight SR2.

[Showtime]

You're right, of course...but keep in mind, this isn't the case of eager writers just submitting a pitch. Warner Bros commissioned the script. That implies to me that they are unhappy with the results they got from SR...and want all their options on the table before they greenlight SR2.

Oh no doubt about it, we are not talking about unsolicited writers here, they were commissioned for a job and WB seems to be happy with that they got. The problem is it might not effect the Returns sequel at all, not sure. There was rumors and reports pointing to the fact that the Returns sequel was going to be Justice League. I think that is less likely as time goes by.

[Matt]

Oh no doubt about it, we are not talking about unsolicited writers here, they were commissioned for a job and WB seems to be happy with that they got. The problem is it might not effect the Returns sequel at all, not sure. There was rumors and reports pointing to the fact that the Returns sequel was going to be Justice League. I think that is less likely as time goes by.

I agree, it is seeming less and less likely. Still, how unlikely did it seem that Singer was going to direct SR? I mean, as far as we knew, McG was literally days away from beginning production and next thing we know Singer had signed on.

[Showtime]

I agree, it is seeming less and less likely. Still, how unlikely did it seem that Singer was going to direct SR? I mean, as far as we knew, McG was literally days away from beginning production and next thing we know Singer had signed on.

The nature of the business as they say, the fans get more caught up in it than the people involved. If Singer was fired tomorrow he would move on and his life would be fine and he would direct more solid movies. If the Justice League script was put into "turn around" then the writers would move on to write again another day. It is us who worry about it.

Anything can happen in Hollywood.

[Lighthouse]

I really, really don't want a JLA movie.

[Lighthouse]

^Then don't watch it.
Problem solved.

If it comes at the expense of better solo movies, then no, it doesn't.

[dude love]

There's no knowing if the solo movies would be better. I'm happy we're finally getting a JLA movie.

Spot on, right there. I'd rather the powers that be stick to and concentrate on one good movie (I.E. BB, V4V, SR) at a time rather than cluster and rush out whole bunch of lesser quality films (I.E. Marvel).

[Lighthouse]

I just don't think a JLA movie with all DC characters crammed into one movie would do justice to all its individual characters, not to mention it would be outrageously expensive.

[dude love]

X-Men 2 cost $125 million and did justice to the characters, the sky's the limit with 200 milion.

[Steelsheen]

You know the Avengers film is ages away too; since the studio wants Iron Man, Capt America, Ant-man and Hulk films first....but apparently Zak Penn was already called to write the script, he just hasnt had time yet.

This JL script could be the same deal.
maybe WB and Marvel are watching each other on who would make the first move, neither really wanting to drop in that much money on a behemoth project that could just fizzle out after a year.

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I feel Justice League should have the same feel as Independence Day.

i dont know what the flack for ID4 is all about. i thought it was a good movie. not particularly consistent, but it met its purpose.

but i do see where you're coming from. ID4 has that uplifting, inspirational feel to it. an All-for-One, One-for-All spirit that suddenly comes alive to defeat insurmountable odds.

[Justice Bringer]

There was some debate over whether we should get a JLA film with Brandon and Christian or have them appear in a World's Finest film first.

Personally, I would much rather see them in this to begin with. The dark real-world type cinematic style of both films makes the universes of the two characters easier to blend together. The Fliesher inspired Metropolis is somewhat reminscent of how affluent the better parts of Gotham looked in Bruce's childhood flashbacks.

Brandon and Christian both seem positive about such a teamup film and working together.

The fact that Superman was gone, forgotten and considered irrelevant on Earth during his absense makes it more believeable that a city like Gotham could sink to such corruption and a place like the Narrows could exist in such a state (especially considering all the other tragic events and war that seemed to happen while he was gone).

It would be an interesting clash of ideologies with Brandon's Superman representing a different, simpler time and holding to classic ideals VS Bale's Batman representing the type of darker hero that would be bred from a modern corrupt society. They are two extremes which would play off well on screen.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/2685/worldsfinest1bo7.jpg

Should it happen?

[Showtime]

I think a World's Finest would make for a fantastic end to the respective trilogies or even a 4th movie that could then lead into a JLA.

[blind_fury]

Not really a fan of Routh as Superman and feel this project would be wasted with him as the star.

But if they're going to do it, they should do it after the Dark Knight trilogy and before a Justice League movie.

[Showtime]

It's funny, on the average Routh is the least problem people have with this film.

[WhatsHisFace]

I don't understand the Routh hate. His job as an actor is to do what the director tells him, and Brandon did EXACTLY as Singer asked.

[Steelsheen]

i'm all for a World's Finest movie before the JLA.

although given current circumstances, i understand why TPTB are pushing for the JLA now.

[blind_fury]

I don't understand the Routh hate. His job as an actor is to do what the director tells him, and Brandon did EXACTLY as Singer asked.

Routh looks like a Super-boy-toy rather than Superman.

I just don't buy him as Superman. Christopher Reeve embodied the character in every way possible. Routh simply doesn't come close to filling his shoes.

[Immortalfire]

It'll only happen if we get Superman out of the Donnerverse.

[El Payaso]

Never. It would be a mess.

[Dr. Fate]

Routh looks like a Super-boy-toy rather than Superman.

I just don't buy him as Superman. Christopher Reeve embodied the character in every way possible. Routh simply doesn't come close to filling his shoes.
What blind_fury said.

And no, I have no desire for a World's Finest film.

[TheComicbookKid]

If you're going to have Batman and Supes in a film then go all out with the JLA. I just like the acknowledgement of the shared Universe. I would like Bale or Routh to show up in each others movie as a cameo as Clark and Bruce though!

[Grinder]

If they recast Superman for it, bring it!

[DieSmiling]

Never. It would be a mess.

I agree.

Also, you couldn't use Bale and Routh, because Nolan and Singer's interpretations of the characters wouldn't work. Why would Singer's Donnerverse pre-crisis demi-god Superman need any help whatsoever from Nolan's grounded, realistic Batman?

[Steelsheen]

i find it unbelievable that some of you guys cant imagine Bale or Routh reprising their roles outside of their own franchises with another director. you do know that these guys are actors right?

[Eros]

i find it unbelievable that some of you guys cant imagine Bale or Routh reprising their roles outside of their own franchises with another director. you do know that these guys are actors right?


actors like to move on to other roles, or in some cases choose no to do certain roles again and again.

[El Payaso]

i find it unbelievable that some of you guys cant imagine Bale or Routh reprising their roles outside of their own franchises with another director. you do know that these guys are actors right?

It's just that the Batman-Superman idea sounds like an awful Jason-Freddy / Alien-Predator idea. In my case, nothing to do with the actors.

[Showtime]

If handled right the Batman-Superman idea could be one of the greatest comic book movies ever made. I don't understand why Superman and Batman can't exist in the same universe. There is so much room to show the differences between the characters using Gotham and Metropolis.

[Steelsheen]

actors like to move on to other roles, or in some cases choose no to do certain roles again and again.
thats true. but what would you say if one day we read that both Bale and Routh agreed to reprise their roles in a World's Finest movie?


It's just that the Batman-Superman idea sounds like an awful Jason-Freddy / Alien-Predator idea. In my case, nothing to do with the actors.

Jason/Freddy i understand. Alien/Predator wasnt so bad ;)

you gotta have a bit of faith that WB will take extra care with their top 2 most prominent superheroes.

[Matt]

hmm...if would definitely be difficult to make. If it does happen...you gotta do it right.

[Showtime]

I think it's difficult but if done correctly, I think it would make for a great story.

[Justice Bringer]

I agree.

Also, you couldn't use Bale and Routh, because Nolan and Singer's interpretations of the characters wouldn't work. Why would Singer's Donnerverse pre-crisis demi-god Superman need any help whatsoever from Nolan's grounded, realistic Batman?

Singer's film is probably the most real-world Superman media interpretation done so far (perhaps too 'real world' and not fantasy enough) but it works well with Nolan's dark realistic Gotham if handled properly.

Why would Superman need Batman's help? You could say that about any interpretation of Superman. Not to mention why did precrisis demi-god Superman need Richard and Lois' help in SR?

Batman could need Superman's help too; though he'd obviously never admit it.

I'd prefer this over forcing BR and CB into a JLA film since theres so much more that can be explored here; through this duality of the two charatcers.

[Justice Bringer]

It's just that the Batman-Superman idea sounds like an awful Jason-Freddy / Alien-Predator idea. In my case, nothing to do with the actors.

They arent going to be fighting each other. Routh openly said that idea sucked (from the Superman VS Batman script).

World's Finest is something totally different....nothing like AvP

[Showtime]

Agreed.

[Justice Bringer]

actors like to move on to other roles, or in some cases choose no to do certain roles again and again.

Bale said in the BB press he would continue to play Batman as long as the script is as tight as BB and the direction is solid...not to mention he has an ensemble option in his contract.

I can't see Brandon Routh turning it down; I can tell hes too much of a fan of this prospect from the enthusiam he shows towards it in interviews.


Paul Levitz of DC Comics said during the SR press that a Superman/Batman film is inevitable in his opinion but the 2 franchaises would need to establish themselves individually first.

[Eros]

Bale said in the BB press he would continue to play Batman as long as the script is as tight as BB and the direction is solid...not to mention he has an ensemble option in his contract.

I can't see Brandon Routh turning it down; I can tell hes too much of a fan of this prospect from the enthusiam he shows towards it in interviews.


Paul Levitz of DC Comics said during the SR press that a Superman/Batman film is inevitable in his opinion but the 2 franchaises would need to establish themselves individually first.


Yea I know that, but im just sayng peoples minds change all the time, not to mention people are still wondering if their will be a sequel to returns, or if singar will come back etc. :whatever:

[DieSmiling]

i find it unbelievable that some of you guys cant imagine Bale or Routh reprising their roles outside of their own franchises with another director. you do know that these guys are actors right?

What's the point of using the same actors if you aren't going to use the same continuity? That's stupid. It would just confuse people.

[DieSmiling]

Singer's film is probably the most real-world Superman media interpretation done so far (perhaps too 'real world' and not fantasy enough) but it works well with Nolan's dark realistic Gotham if handled properly.

That's not my point -- it's more about how the characters themselves are presented.

Why would Superman need Batman's help? You could say that about any interpretation of Superman. Not to mention why did precrisis demi-god Superman need Richard and Lois' help in SR?

Not true. A toned down post-crisis Superman and a more crazy comic book Batman are much more even in terms of abilities. Hell, Batman kicks Superman's ass more than once in the comics, correct? Singer's Superman is just too powerful -- he'd make Batman look bad.

And Superman only needed Lois and Richard's help because of kryptonite. What, are we going to have Superman doing everything, then Batman saving his ass once kryptonite comes into the equation?

[Conan]

Why are all these JLA and World's Finest threads always brought up in the Superman forum and never in the Batman forum. I mean this forum is flooded with threads of these topics and never in the bat forum.

[Pickle-El]

I think a World's Finest would make for a fantastic end to the respective trilogies or even a 4th movie that could then lead into a JLA.

Most Brilliant Idea Evaz.

:hyper:

[Steelsheen]

Why are all these JLA and World's Finest threads always brought up in the Superman forum and never in the Batman forum. I mean this forum is flooded with threads of these topics and never in the bat forum.

because its drowned by the bazillion Joker threads and suit threads ;)

honestly man, it was brought up before, during the quieter days of both BB and TDK forums.


What's the point of using the same actors if you aren't going to use the same continuity? That's stupid. It would just confuse people.

and what makes you think the story has to be linear? why not start off a tale that doesnt invalidate the Singer and Nolan franchises, more like run parallel to it? it is entirely possible, heck they do it in the comics every month.

[DieSmiling]

and what makes you think the story has to be linear? why not start off a tale that doesnt invalidate the Singer and Nolan franchises, more like run parallel to it? it is entirely possible, heck they do it in the comics every month.

I just don't think that really works in the worlds they've created -- and in case you didn't notice, comic book continuity is almost IMPOSSIBLE for anyone who doesn't already have a good grasp of it to figure out.

[Justice Bringer]

not to mention people are still wondering if their will be a sequel to returns, or if singar will come back etc. :whatever:

by 'people' you mean uninformed fanboy speculation on the net

[Justice Bringer]

That's not my point -- it's more about how the characters themselves are presented.



Not true. A toned down post-crisis Superman and a more crazy comic book Batman are much more even in terms of abilities. Hell, Batman kicks Superman's ass more than once in the comics, correct? Singer's Superman is just too powerful -- he'd make Batman look bad.

And Superman only needed Lois and Richard's help because of kryptonite. What, are we going to have Superman doing everything, then Batman saving his ass once kryptonite comes into the equation?

I dont buy that. Superman's powers are toned down in the postcrisis but not to the point where Batman has any chance of taking Superman in a fight without Kryptonite......hence why postcrisis Supes gave Batman Kryptonite to use on him incase he went rogue.

Difference in power levels aside between interpretations, Batman still doesnt stand a fighting chance against Superman without the aid of Kryptonite. The dynamic would be the same as usual.

[Justice Bringer]

I just don't think that really works in the worlds they've created -- and in case you didn't notice, comic book continuity is almost IMPOSSIBLE for anyone who doesn't already have a good grasp of it to figure out.

They could easily make it work within the Singer and Nolan continuities though with the members of the supporting casts from each franchaise appearing in it.

Both franchaises have a certain Donner-like versimilitude to them that makes them work well together; theres a logical science behind pretty much every element in both franchaises...uniting both in a sense of realism (compared to most other interpretations).

[Sun_Down]

I'd love to see a World's Finest movie. I've always thought that Nolan's Batman and Singer's Superman would go very well together.

[Steelsheen]

I just don't think that really works in the worlds they've created -- and in case you didn't notice, comic book continuity is almost IMPOSSIBLE for anyone who doesn't already have a good grasp of it to figure out.

the comics is an example of how two (or however many) franchises can work together without necessarily invalidating what they already have happening in their own solo work.

if you want a movie example, here's one: the new Incredible Hulk starring Edward Norton wouldnt necessarily invalidate the Hulk movie that had Eric Bana in it. its not a sequel, but its not necessarily a reboot. the plan is to pick a separate storyline and run with it, and the story they chose (the one with Abomination) can certainly exist with and without Bana's Hulk. do you get what i mean? the look, the tone, the feel of the Superman and Batman franchises are their own. if The World's Finest do come around this would most certainly have its own feel/look/tone, it could be a combination of Nolan and Singer worlds, or it could be absoultely different. but just beacuse the lead actors from those franchises could be used in this new effort doesnt mean that they cannot be believable anymore. they are actors. it is their job, along with the director and all the different creative people to make it work.

[manofsteel4life]

Not really a fan of Routh as Superman and feel this project would be wasted with him as the star.

But if they're going to do it, they should do it after the Dark Knight trilogy and before a Justice League movie.
not trying to start anything with you, but is there a reason why you dont like Routh as Supes?:huh:

[manofsteel4life]

Routh looks like a Super-boy-toy rather than Superman.

I just don't buy him as Superman. Christopher Reeve embodied the character in every way possible. Routh simply doesn't come close to filling his shoes.
yea sorry its me again, didnt read this comment before i commented on the last one you quoted....but i just wanna say one thing.......i agree with you on the whole replacing christopher reeve thing. Noone can cause he was our generations superman, and he did fit superman as if he really was him. But you gotta see how Brandon protrayed him in returns and see that in the story there was alot he had to deal with after being gone for so long and the world moving on without him.....not to mention with him finding out he has a son, all these things come into play on to how he has to act. Im thinking in the sequel we will see more qualities similar to those of reeves...so give him a chance

[Darth Elektra]

Yes, great story and great action.

[Justice Bringer]

yea sorry its me again, didnt read this comment before i commented on the last one you quoted....but i just wanna say one thing.......i agree with you on the whole replacing christopher reeve thing. Noone can cause he was our generations superman, and he did fit superman as if he really was him. But you gotta see how Brandon protrayed him in returns and see that in the story there was alot he had to deal with after being gone for so long and the world moving on without him.....not to mention with him finding out he has a son, all these things come into play on to how he has to act. Im thinking in the sequel we will see more qualities similar to those of reeves...so give him a chance


Introducing a NEW Superman and a new continuity into this thing will just confuse audiences so soon after Singer's films and make an already complex project; even more complex .

Same goes for Batman and Nolan.

[Deaths Head II]

I'd prefer a World's Finest film to a JLA film because I really feel it would be a lot easier to explore the dynamic of two characters alone instead of a whole team of them in a film's short span (though I'm not completely closed to the idea of a JLA film). And Superman and Batman have one of the most interesting relationships in comics, one most people would be eager to see. I don't get the hangup over continuity either, since loose continuities are getting more popular every day apparently, with the Hulk films and Superman Returns. They just need to find a way to make it work on screen with the proper director, script, etc.

[Matt]

I think it's difficult but if done correctly, I think it would make for a great story.

I agree entirely. I think one of the biggest problems at this point is Routh. I honestly do not know if Routh is a good actor or not. Superman Returns did not allow him to show off his talent and all we have to go on other than that is a soap opera that fired him and MTV Undressed. One of the biggest determining factors of whether this is successful or not will be the balance between Batman and Superman. If one greatly overshadows the other, it will fail as a team-up movie. Bale in my eyes, would be far greater than Routh based on what I've seen of Routh. That could be a huge problem.

[dude love]

I think a World's Finest would make for a fantastic end to the respective trilogies or even a 4th movie that could then lead into a JLA.

:up: Correct.

It'll only happen if we get Superman out of the Donnerverse.

:whatever: Exactly what does that have to do with anything?

[DieSmiling]

If they do World's Finest instead of a third Batman movie I will be pissed. It better be a fourth movie after the third movies of each trilogy, if it's done at all.

[Lighthouse]

I'd much rather see a World's Finest movie happen than a JLA movie.

[buggs0268]

I don't want this because for some reason, if this happens, I know it will be a Superman VS Batman film until the end, when they are friends. I don't think this is the right approach, but you know that Warner's will not want to have a movie where they are buddy buddy from the start for dramatic reasons. So a JL would be better as it will have them together with the other heroes fighting something else. And I feel it is a better way for Warner's to launch the other hero solo movies. Right now a Flash only, or Green Lantern only film might do well, but there are too many people that don't know these heroes in a sea of hero movies. If you introduce them in a film with the main heroes that everyone knows, then people know who they are and you can go into a solo film for them with people having some sort of connection.

I also feel that a JLA film, since it has not been done before and everyone has been crying for a JLA film, that this is the perfect time to do it for Warner's.

[Obi Wan Kenobi]

Bale said in the BB press he would continue to play Batman as long as the script is as tight as BB and the direction is solid...not to mention he has an ensemble option in his contract.

I can't see Brandon Routh turning it down; I can tell hes too much of a fan of this prospect from the enthusiam he shows towards it in interviews.


Paul Levitz of DC Comics said during the SR press that a Superman/Batman film is inevitable in his opinion but the 2 franchaises would need to establish themselves individually first.

Yep I feel like its going to happen regardless.

The biggest clue was in SR. When the reporter said, "reports are flooding in from across the globe about S's return". She mentioned Gotham as one of the cities.

I think it would be best if they did a Superman/Batman film with them alone first, then move into a JL film.

BTW Brandon Routh is a fine actor. People complain about his youthful looks but he was choosen as Superman because the franchise may take 9-12 years to complete. People complained about Natalie Portman being too young when Lucas cast her in Star Wars but she grew into the character. Routh will age with the character perfectly. Christopher Reeve was my Superman as a kid, Brandon Routh is Superman, now.

[buggs0268]

I still think JLA will happen before Worlds Finest. Especially with Watchmen. Looking at Warner's moves on the script and all that, I think this is the way they are going to go. I honestly think it will be better for them of they do it. With a World's Finest, they are looking at being called a copycat with all of the VS films that had come at one time, and I think JLA won't have that attached to it. I also think they really don't know it a solo Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, or Flash film will be a big blockbuster and they need something that is. JLA has more potential and then they can go off on the seperate movies after that with the built in audience that JLA brings

[Justice Bringer]

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[Justice Bringer]

BTW Brandon Routh is a fine actor. People complain about his youthful looks but he was choosen as Superman because the franchise may take 9-12 years to complete. People complained about Natalie Portman being too young when Lucas cast her in Star Wars but she grew into the character. Routh will age with the character perfectly. Christopher Reeve was my Superman as a kid, Brandon Routh is Superman, now.

Yeah he'll probably be around his mid 30s by the time they attempt this thing.

[Matt]

BTW Brandon Routh is a fine actor. People complain about his youthful looks but he was choosen as Superman because the franchise may take 9-12 years to complete. People complained about Natalie Portman being too young when Lucas cast her in Star Wars but she grew into the character. Routh will age with the character perfectly. Christopher Reeve was my Superman as a kid, Brandon Routh is Superman, now.

She did? Last I checked, by the end of the PT, Natalie's character was a 20 year old who was one of the most influencial senators. That's real :cwink:

[Mr. Socko]

I voted No. It'll more than likely only end up being a giant clutter and a mess.


People love to shout that there are things in the comics that can't be translated well to the big screen, World's Finest is one of them.

[mego joe]

I think it's difficult but if done correctly, I think it would make for a great story.

I agree here on the potential, but like some other posters, I'm not sold on Routh as Superman, nor Singer's Superman.

As for the original question, I don't have a preference to which would come first, JLA or a World's Finest.

[Showtime]

I completely disagree on Routh, I think he did a solid job with what he was given for Superman and was spot on as Clark Kent. I couldn't be more happy with the casting of Superman.

[mego joe]

I completely disagree on Routh, I think he did a solid job with what he was given for Superman and was spot on as Clark Kent. I couldn't be more happy with the casting of Superman.

Solid and spot on in terms of what Singer was doing with his version of Superman and using the Donnerverse Clark, or solid and spot on in general for an ideal version of the Superman/ Clark characters?

I would agree with you on the former, b/c I think Routh did what Singer asked him to do, but I don't think what Singer asked really embodied who Superman is or even in relation to the Donner films. I think compared to Reeve he is flat and lifeless and doesn't draw the viewer in. But I think that is what Singer and the script required of the Superman character in SR. As for his portrayal of Clark, it is a very faithful impression of Reeve's Clark Kent, but I have never liked the overly clumsy goofy oafish Clark of the Donner films.

[Mr. Socko]

That's the one thing I hated about the earlier films films and that Singer carried over: The stupid bumbling Clark.

[dude love]

That's the one thing I hated about the earlier films films and that Singer carried over: The stupid bumbling Clark.

I liked bumbling Clark but Singer improved on him in the sense that he's not a complete doofus, if he's going to drop something he'll catch it.

[Deaths Head II]

Even though I never liked the concept of bumbling Clark, Routh made him seem very likable to me. Kind of like a lovable goof and not an annoying dunderhead, so he was still nice to watch on screen. I actually felt kind of disappointed when he switched to his Superman persona as a matter of fact, as I liked Routh's Clark way more then his Superman. I really think he has the potential, I liked watching him too much on screen not to think so. He just needs to get utilized in a better way.

[Justice Bringer]

The concept of the bumbling reporter disguise (toned down like Routh's performance) works as a much more believeable disguise than making Superman the disguise and CK the real person (which wasnt believeable in L+C). They had to go this route; there was no way around it.

[mego joe]

Even though I never liked the concept of bumbling Clark, Routh made him seem very likable to me. Kind of like a lovable goof and not an annoying dunderhead, so he was still nice to watch on screen. I actually felt kind of disappointed when he switched to his Superman persona as a matter of fact, as I liked Routh's Clark way more then his Superman. I really think he has the potential, I liked watching him too much on screen not to think so. He just needs to get utilized in a better way.

I wouldn't be opposed to Routh in another Superman movie, I'm just not interested in rehashing his Reeve impersonation, or watching a direct sequel to Superman Returns.

[dude love]

I wouldn't be opposed to Routh in another Superman movie, I'm just not interested in rehashing his Reeve impersonation, or watching a direct sequel to Superman Returns.

I take it you'll be waiting for DVD of MOS? Ah, the mighty fast forward button. :oldrazz:

[mego joe]

I take it you'll be waiting for DVD of MOS? Ah, the mighty fast forward button. :oldrazz:


If it's a direct sequel to SUperman Returns I won't even rent it, or borrow it from someone who owns it. I just have zero interest in what happens next with Lois, Richard, Jason and SInger's version of Superman. It just isn't SUperman to me. I want the substance and the essence of the character. There's just nothing in SUperman's character that could ever get him into this dysfunctional family situation as laid out in SR. Hence, Singer's Superman isn't Superman to me.

[Justice Bringer]

It will be a direct sequel so prepare to 'not be interested'

[mego joe]

It will be a direct sequel so prepare to 'not be interested'


I'm already in mourning, I think I'll break out my black armband from Superman #75 when he died. Or, since I'm a hopeful positive individual, I think I might wait until the flick is actually officially green-lit by WB.

[GreenKToo]

I'm not completely sold yet either. While I liked routh's Superman, I was a little disappointed in the lack of more action in S.R..
I am worried about wheather or not singer can do the kind of action that I crave in the sequel, but I'll keep an open mind and wait and see how it plays out..I'm already in mourning, I think I'll break out my black armband from Superman #75 when he died. Or, since I'm a hopeful positive individual, I think I might wait until the flick is actually officially green-lit by WB.