Official 2008 MLB thread

[E. Nygma]

First you knock Holliday because his team played 163 games then think Rollins is punished for playing all 162 while Holliday only played 158. You're right, it is backwards logic.

I know, that is backwards logic. On his part. I never defended Holliday to be MVP to begin with. I'm just saying he mentioned Tulo's higher FP in less games , so he should make a case that Holliday led the league in RBI's only because of his extra game over Howard, who missed a month due to injury anyway.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Livan Hernandez-S-Diamondbacks Feb. 1 - 1:33 pm et

Free agent Livan Hernandez is reportedly telling teams he has an offer on the table from the Nationals.

Hernandez would eat innings on a team whose only two quality starters (John Patterson and Shawn Hill) are both poor bets to throw 180 innings. Still, that's about all he'd do. While he's probably willing to go to the Nationals as a fallback, it's likely that he'd rather land with a contender.
Source: Rocky Mountain News
Related: Nationals

Eats innings? Only because he's large and robust:o

[E. Nygma]

what a way to open a stadium

"hey fans! look we got Livan back!"

[Dark Donnie]

The Mets and Johan Santana are closing in on a record-setting deal that will make Santana a Met for a long time.

With today's 5 o'clock deadline looming, "They're going to get it done," one person close to the situation said, on the condition of anonymity.

Santana is expected to receive a six-year extension, from 2009 through 2014for about $22 million a year. He will also get a signing bonus of roughly $7 million, which, added to his 2008 salary of $13.25 million, will push the total package over $150 million. SI.com first reported these details, which the source confirmed.

Once Santana signs off on this deal and passes his physical examination, the Mets will officially acquire him for the package of Carlos Gomez, Deolis Guerra, Phil Humber and Kevin Mulvey.

....

[Spidey-Bat]

Eats innings? Only because he's large and robust:o

Eats innings and anything not nailed down.

[Spidey-Bat]

when did any of those SS have 700 plate appearances almost hitting 300.
Plate appearences means nothing. He didn't hit .300 though. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

score 139 runs and be in the 20/20/20/20/20 club? Along with a .985 fielding percentage (compared to Tulo's .987 in 155 games not 162), winning him a gold glove.
139 runs is more a testament to his teammates hitting behind him than his own talents. The 20/20/20/20/20 club is nice but Curtis Granderson accomplished it too. Did he have the greatest season of a SS ever? No.

Tulo had better range.

Cal Ripken, A-Rod and Jeter are all Hall of Famer SS's. Perennial all-stars, all-timers. But other than A-Rod's incredible power seasons i dont think either of those players ever had a better season in productivity.
Then you don't know anything.

You are a clueless, bitter met fan, who knows NOTHING about Baseball if you dont think Rollins deserved MVP or his Gold Glove and that the Phillies didn't deserve to be NL East champions, and guess what, debate it all you want, but everything i just said is a FACT, not a bloated opinion by an idiot like you.
I know nothing about baseball? I'm not the one putting Jimmy Rollins on a golden pedestal and hailing his season as one of the greatest ever by a shortstop. He didn't deserve any of his awards. He robbed all three.

[E. Nygma]

Plate appearences means nothing. He didn't hit .300 though. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.


139 runs is more a testament to his teammates hitting behind him than his own talents. The 20/20/20/20/20 club is nice but Curtis Granderson accomplished it too. Did he have the greatest season of a SS ever? No.

Tulo had better range.


Then you don't know anything.


I know nothing about baseball? I'm not the one putting Jimmy Rollins on a golden pedestal and hailing his season as one of the greatest ever by a shortstop. He didn't deserve any of his awards. He robbed all three.

Greatest ever single seasons.....are you mentally challenged? Because it's apparent you are not reading any thing i said.

Oh and i know why Granderson didn't have the greatest ever single season for a SS too. BECAUSE HE'S AN OUTFIELDER.

[Jerry!]

Mercy. You gotta admit, he got you on that one Spidey.

[E. Nygma]

I am not saying Jimmy Rollins is one of the greatest SS's to ever play.

But everyone knows he had one of the greatest seasons for a SS.

How is that such a stretch i dont get it?

Take off your blue and orange goggles for five seconds and look at the numbers, and the fact that Rollins carried the Phillies to a division title, despite so many guys being lost to injury, he was the ONE constant in that lineup. 700 plate appearances is unheard of for many players, hitting 295. with 700 is even more unheard of.

Jimmy Rollins had the best year of ANY SS in the NL last year and any player period all around. He deserved MVP, he won it. You may hate him, but he's better than Reyes. You know it, so just stop.

[Spidey-Bat]

Greatest ever single seasons.....are you mentally challenged? Because it's apparent you are not reading any thing i said.
Rollins' OPS+ in 2007 was 118. Wagner exceeded that (often by a huge margin) 17 times in his career. Ripken exceeded it 6 times. A-Rod accomplished the same every full season as a SS. A-Rod also won the GG, SS, and MVP in 2003. He was also on the All-Star team.

Oh and i know why Granderson didn't have the greatest ever single season for a SS too. BECAUSE HE'S AN OUTFIELDER.

I meant CF. The point is if you're going to use the 20x5 club as support of Rollins then you have to believe the same goes for Curtis Granderson. Of course no one is deep throating him because his team didn't win their division.

[Spidey-Bat]

I am not saying Jimmy Rollins is one of the greatest SS's to ever play.

But everyone knows he had one of the greatest seasons for a SS.
Except he didn't.

How is that such a stretch i dont get it?
Because he didn't.

Take off your blue and orange goggles for five seconds
Don't have any.

and look at the numbers, and the fact that Rollins carried the Phillies to a division title, despite so many guys being lost to injury, he was the ONE constant in that lineup.
Unfortunately for you, that means nothing in statistics. Also, Chase Utley had more win shares than Rollins. And you can make a case that Holliday and Prince Fielder carried their teams as well. It's a meaningless intangible idiots like Joe Morgan like to spew.

700 plate appearances is unheard of for many players, hitting 295. with 700 is even more unheard of.
700 PA's means nothing. Plate appearences has no impact on batting average, At bats do.

Jimmy Rollins had the best year of ANY SS in the NL last year and any player period all around. He deserved MVP, he won it. You may hate him, but he's better than Reyes. You know it, so just stop.
Any player period? Surely you must be joking. Prince Fielder, Ryan Braun, Hanley Ramirez, and Matt Holliday all had better seasons.

[E. Nygma]

Rollins' OPS+ in 2007 was 118. Wagner exceeded that (often by a huge margin) 17 times in his career. Ripken exceeded it 6 times. A-Rod accomplished the same every full season as a SS. A-Rod also won the GG, SS, and MVP in 2003. He was also on the All-Star team.



I meant CF. The point is if you're going to use the 20x5 club as support of Rollins then you have to believe the same goes for Curtis Granderson. Of course no one is deep throating him because his team didn't win their division.

Granderson had a great year, a big reason he doesn't get as heralded is because yes his team failed to make the playoffs. As for him having one of the greatest single seasons of a CF, i dont think you can put him up there. Not with Sosa slugging 60 three times, and Bonds hitting 73, and Ichiro's hits record, and Ty Cobb and Ted Williams hitting 400. Traditionally there has never been a season in which a SS has produced those kind of numbers.

Your complete annexation of ANYTHING Phillies from last years season is a complete joke. The team was better than the Mets, as much as you hate it. You're delusional and bitter and it's time you were exposed for the fraud and homer that you are.

[Dark Donnie]

Except he didn't.


Because he didn't.


Don't have any.


Unfortunately for you, that means nothing in statistics. Also, Chase Utley had more win shares than Rollins. And you can make a case that Holliday and Prince Fielder carried their teams as well. It's a meaningless intangible idiots like Joe Morgan like to spew.


700 PA's means nothing. Plate appearences has no impact on batting average, At bats do.


Any player period? Surely you must be joking. Prince Fielder, Ryan Braun, Hanley Ramirez, and Matt Holliday all had better seasons.

Win Shares? No on looks at Win Shares except those odd Sabermetric people, is iteven a stat recognized by MLB?

[E. Nygma]

Win Shares? No on looks at Win Shares except those odd Sabermetric people, is iteven a stat recognized by MLB?

Chase Utley was probably the lead candidate for MVP had he been healthy for 162 games and not 132. Everyone knows Jimmy Rollins carried the Phillies when they were without Howard and Utley and Hamels and Myers and Gordon and Victorino at various points throughout the season, thats why Jimmy Rollins won MVP. He was the one constant. Except in Spidey's eyes......

[Spidey-Bat]

Win Shares? No on looks at Win Shares except those odd Sabermetric people, is iteven a stat recognized by MLB?

Those "odd Sabremetric people" are paid by teams to scout young players and players on other teams. Billy Beane has used it extensively when drafting as has Theo Epstein (who even hired Bill James to work for the Red Sox).

[Dark Donnie]

Those "odd Sabremetric people" are paid by teams to scout young players and players on other teams. Billy Beane has used it extensively when drafting as has Theo Epstein (who even hired Bill James to work for the Red Sox).

It's still not a MLB recognized stat so...go crunch some #'s


Is the deal done yet?

[Jerry!]

Chase Utley was probably the lead candidate for MVP had he been healthy for 162 games and not 132. Everyone knows Jimmy Rollins carried the Phillies when they were without Howard and Utley and Hamels and Myers and Gordon and Victorino at various points throughout the season, thats why Jimmy Rollins won MVP. He was the one constant. Except in Spidey's eyes......
I think that Rollins playing exceptionally well in those head to head games against the Mets to round out the season is what put him over the top for MVP. It seemed like in all those games he was like a dagger in the heart of the Mets.

[Dark Donnie]

The Mets got an extension, no word on how long...

[E. Nygma]

The Mets got an extension, no word on how long...

Yeah, Santana will get what he wants, the Mets really dont have a lot of leverage in the situation in my opinion. Even though the deadline has passed, i'd expect an extension to be announced with the next half hour.

[Spidey-Bat]

2 hour extension.

[Jerry!]

I was just watching ESPNEWS right now when the anchor was getting that info and he was like:

"Oh hold on a second sorry I'm getting something through my ear piece right now on the Santana deal .....Did you just say the deal was off....... or on? I didn't hear you. Oh......................a two hour extension on the deadline."

Mets fans must have been ****ting their pants watching that.

[sinewave]

Granderson had a great year, a big reason he doesn't get as heralded is because yes his team failed to make the playoffs. As for him having one of the greatest single seasons of a CF, i dont think you can put him up there. Not with Sosa slugging 60 three times, and Bonds hitting 73, and Ichiro's hits record, and Ty Cobb and Ted Williams hitting 400. Traditionally there has never been a season in which a SS has produced those kind of numbers.

none of those guys were centerfielders, except ichiro who just switched over last season. mantle, mays, dimaggio, griffey jr., those guys put up all-time great numbers in CF, though.

Win Shares? No on looks at Win Shares except those odd Sabermetric people, is iteven a stat recognized by MLB?

OPS wasn't recognized by MLB until the last 15-20 years or so, either. win shares is a good tool to judge the overall worth of a player (offense and defense) and should start seeping into modern baseball more and more over the coming years once teams see how successful others who've adopted it become.

[Spidey-Bat]

Santana and the Mets have reached an agreement. No word on total money or years. He'll have a physical tomorrow. Because of the Stupid Bowl, they'll likely have the formal press ceremonies on Monday.

[Raiden]

The deal is done...

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7748102?MSNHPHMA

[Spidey-Bat]

Another link from MLB.com
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080201&content_id=2361909&vkey=hotstove2007&fext=.jsp

He has signed a 6-year extension worth $137.5M. Add his 2008 salary of $13.5M, it totals $150.75M over 7 years.

[Ben Urich]

Go Yankees. :word:

[Jerry!]

Santana...HE GONE!! Yes! There is a god.

[Dark Donnie]

Thank god this story is over!

[The Incredible Hulk]

Mets fans must have been ****ting their pants watching that.

they do that normally, most aren't toilet trained.... ;)

Another link from MLB.com
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080201&content_id=2361909&vkey=hotstove2007&fext=.jsp

He has signed a 6-year extension worth $137.5M. Add his 2008 salary of $13.5M, it totals $150.75M over 7 years.

Santana had them over a barrel and they knew it. That's mighty big deal, better hope it works out better than the other pitchers who got over $100 million... oh and dont ever let me hear another Mets fan whine about the Yankees' salary level....

On the bright side, glad to see Johan out of our division. Although he hasnt been so bad the past few years since he become more HR prone...

[Spidey-Bat]

Santana had them over a barrel and they knew it. That's mighty big deal, better hope it works out better than the other pitchers who got over $100 million... oh and dont ever let me hear another Mets fan whine about the Yankees' salary level....
All the pitchers who have received that type of salary have never been as young as Santana. Also, all of them combined have only won 1 Cy Young award. Santana has 2.

Santana had leverage but neither side was going to be stubborn and not let this happen.

On the bright side, glad to see Johan out of our division. Although he hasnt been so bad the past few years since he become more HR prone...
He won't be facing the AL lineups and will be in a very friendly pitcher's park.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Eats innings and anything not nailed down.
True that

Win Shares? No on looks at Win Shares except those odd Sabermetric people, is iteven a stat recognized by MLB?
I know, like, **** those guys over at baseballprospectus or something. They use werido stats that are made up and odd. Nevermind the fact that you also have this http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting?sort=avg&split=0&league=nl&season=2007&seasonType=2&type=sab&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&minpa=0&hand=a&pos=all, or this http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/pitching?sort=ERA&split=0&league=mlb&season=2007&seasonType=2&type=pitch5&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&hand=a&pos=all&minip=0

Those "odd Sabremetric people" are paid by teams to scout young players and players on other teams. Billy Beane has used it extensively when drafting as has Theo Epstein (who even hired Bill James to work for the Red Sox).

Some teams, not all I assume. Right? Correct me on this if you know.


Another link from MLB.com
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080201&content_id=2361909&vkey=hotstove2007&fext=.jsp

He has signed a 6-year extension worth $137.5M. Add his 2008 salary of $13.5M, it totals $150.75M over 7 years.

Bout damn time. I'm that it ended up being more than the god awfull Zito deal. Give the big $ to a guy who is more deserving of it.

[Spidey-Bat]

True that
Heard that on the radio.


Some teams, not all I assume. Right? Correct me on this if you know.
Some probably don't. I would think most do at this point.


Bout damn time. I'm that it ended up being more than the god awfull Zito deal. Give the big $ to a guy who is more deserving of it.
Yep. And he does a lot for his hometown in Venezuela which is in a very isolated section of the country. Might have seen the NY Times article about it, but a scout had to travel 12 hours to go to his village.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Yep. And he does a lot for his hometown in Venezuela which is in a very isolated section of the country. Might have seen the NY Times article about it, but a scout had to travel 12 hours to go to his village.

When he was orginally being scouted?

[Spidey-Bat]

When he was orginally being scouted?

Yeah

[The Incredible Hulk]

All the pitchers who have received that type of salary have never been as young as Santana. Also, all of them combined have only won 1 Cy Young award. Santana has 2.

Zito was 28 when the Giants signed him to that ridiculous contract last winter


Santana had leverage but neither side was going to be stubborn and not let this happen.

I dont think Santana really cared. He was going to get his money one way or the other either from the Mets, or whomever he would've signed with as a free agent next year. He's getting the same amount this season he would've gotten from the Twins anyway. The Mets needed him a lot more than he needed them.


He won't be facing the AL lineups and will be in a very friendly pitcher's park.

for one year at least, no telling how CitiField is going to play. Not to mention the NL has the lion's share of bandboxes with phily, cinnci, milwaukee, houston, chicago, colorado, and arizona

[Spidey-Bat]

Zito was 28 when the Giants signed him to that ridiculous contract last winter
Santana is 28 as well. With Zito, his numbers had been getting worse since 2002.

I dont think Santana really cared. He was going to get his money one way or the other either from the Mets, or whomever he would've signed with as a free agent next year. He's getting the same amount this season he would've gotten from the Twins anyway. The Mets needed him a lot more than he needed them.
He did care. If he didn't, he would have just stayed. He actually did want to go to the Mets so he wasn't going to be stubborn and hold out for too much money.

for one year at least, no telling how CitiField is going to play. Not to mention the NL has the lion's share of bandboxes with phily, cinnci, milwaukee, houston, chicago, colorado, and arizona
Citi Field has very similar dimensions to Shea. With the exception of Philly, he'll play 1-2 games a year in those ballparks at most. Don't forget the pitcher-friendly ballparks: Petco, AT&T, Dodger, Dolphin, Turner, and the Nats stadium. 3 of those he will be playing in the most.

[DarthRekal]

Just got my Tickets for the Dodger 50th anniversary game at the Coliseum :up:

[Captain Planet!]

When do single game Yankee tickets go on sale?

[Spidey-Bat]

Santana passed his physical :up:

[Dark Donnie]

True that


I know, like, **** those guys over at baseballprospectus or something. They use werido stats that are made up and odd. Nevermind the fact that you also have this http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting?sort=avg&split=0&league=nl&season=2007&seasonType=2&type=sab&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&minpa=0&hand=a&pos=all, or this http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/pitching?sort=ERA&split=0&league=mlb&season=2007&seasonType=2&type=pitch5&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&hand=a&pos=all&minip=0


:cwink:

Any Giants fans know anything about Pedro Feliz? I heard he has a outstanding glove, be he lacks at the plate.

[Spidey-Bat]

He has a great glove. He can play every position if the situation calls for it (including pitch). He swings for the fences all the time which shows up in his career .288 OBP. He'll probably hit .260 at best but have more power numbers in Philly.

[Dark Donnie]

He has a great glove. He can play every position if the situation calls for it (including pitch). He swings for the fences all the time which shows up in his career .288 OBP. He'll probably hit .260 at best but have more power numbers in Philly.

I saw he has a reallly OBP...I read his glove was bad a few years back but he improved greatly this past year.

[E. Nygma]

I saw he has a reallly OBP...I read his glove was bad a few years back but he improved greatly this past year.

His glove is going to be the key

hitting 7th they're not going to need a 300. hitter

His power numbers will be good, and that he bats right will be nice in a lineup filled with better lefty batters.

It's a good pickup.

Facing Santana is going to be a disaster though.

[Silver Knight]

Any pics of Santana in a Mets uni?

[Spidey-Bat]

Any pics of Santana in a Mets uni?

Nope. Wednesday is the official press conference where he'll be introduced.

There is this. It's from MLB.com but I edited the logo b/c it was ugly.
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9397/ph276371ik0.jpg

[Silver Knight]

Thanks SB.

[cyborg ninja 14]

He has a great glove. He can play every position if the situation calls for it (including pitch). He swings for the fences all the time which shows up in his career .288 OBP. He'll probably hit .260 at best but have more power numbers in Philly.

Pedro Feliz has never pitched a single inning ever:huh: Unless of course, you suggest that he could pitch in those wacky down-by-13-runs in the 9th type of senarios.

[Spidey-Bat]

He pitched in some South American country once. Might have been awhile ago. But he would be a the go-to-guy in those wacky scenarios.


On another note, my dad stumbled upon a Santana t-shirt at Modell's while getting Super Bowl stuff :)

[cyborg ninja 14]

He pitched in some South American country once. Might have been awhile ago. But he would be a the go-to-guy in those wacky scenarios.


On another note, my dad stumbled upon a Santana t-shirt at Modell's while getting Super Bowl stuff :)

Cool stuff.

[MarkJK1441]

get ready for the Jays to dominate this year for sure a contender that rotation is ready to do work. the jay have a real chance they just have to find a way to get wins agianst the Bo-Sox and Yanks. This could be the year. BRING BACK '92 & '93 LIKE SEASONS!!! LETS GO JAYSSSSSS!!!!

[Spidey-Bat]

the jay have a real chance they just have to find a way to get wins agianst the Bo-Sox and Yanks.
Easier said than done.

[Mike059jig]

I miss baseball.....just a couple weeks until spring training....lets go mets

[Jerry!]

There was just an amazing Super Bowl... and New York won! I'm sure that could hold you over for a little while, right?

[Dodger]

SuperBowl is over. It was an amazing game but the ending of the football season means baseball season is that much closer. :D

[Spidey-Bat]

There was just an amazing Super Bowl... and New York won! I'm sure that could hold you over for a little while, right?

This is the baseball thread and not everyone likes football.

[Dark Donnie]

Odalis Perez-S-Royals Feb. 4 - 10:07 am et

Assistant general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. said Sunday that the Phillies' interest in Odalis Perez is "lukewarm" after watching him throw Saturday in the Dominican Republic.

Perez indicated afterward that the tryout went well, but apparently Amaro felt otherwise. The Phillies are said to also be interested in Kris Benson, who's scheduled to throw for several teams this week.
Related: Kris Benson, Phillies

:dry:

[Dark Donnie]

Curtis Granderson-OF-Tigers Feb. 4 - 12:28 pm et

Buster Olney of ESPN reports that the Tigers have agreed to terms with Curtis Granderson on a multi-year contract.

Terms of the deal have not been disclosed yet. Granderson isn't arbitration eligible yet and was under the Tigers' control through 2011 anyway, so the contract would have to cover at least five seasons to buy out any of his free agency.
Source: ESPN.com

[cyborg ninja 14]

Curtis Granderson, the Jimmy Rollins of the AL? (stats wise with all the 20 this, and 20 that)

[Spidey-Bat]

Curtis Granderson, the Jimmy Rollins of the AL? (stats wise with all the 20 this, and 20 that)

Curtis Granderson had one of the greatest seasons ever by an outfielder :o



Quote from Peter Gammons. One of the few ESPN people who doesn't have a vendetta against the Mets:
“In the National League East, where the Phillies and Braves are very good and very aggressive, the Mets now have what no one else has: the best pitcher on the planet.”

[cyborg ninja 14]

Can't the pitchers and catchers report already? We need to speed up the process.:indy:

[Fran]

God I want Verlander to win a Cy Young this year.

[Dark Donnie]

Curtis Granderson had one of the greatest seasons ever by an outfielder :o



Quote from Peter Gammons. One of the few ESPN people who doesn't have a vendetta against the Mets:
“In the National League East, where the Phillies and Braves are very good and very aggressive, the Mets now have what no one else has: the best pitcher on the planet.”

Mind Blowing Pete:cwink:

[Dark Donnie]

Fox Sports Best By Position
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7673598/A-position-by-position-look-at-

Catcher
Joe Mauer, Twins

First base
Albert Pujols, Cardinals

Second base
Chase Utley, Phillies

Third base
Alex Rodriguez, Yankees

Shortstop
Jimmy Rollins, Phillies

Left field
Matt Holliday, Rockies

Center field
Ichiro Suzuki, Mariners

Right field
Vladimir Guerrero, Angels

Designated hitter
David Ortiz, Red Sox

Right-handed starter
Brandon Webb, Diamondbacks

Left-handed starter
C.C. Sabathia, Indians

Closer
Joe Nathan, Twins

[sinewave]

Curtis Granderson had one of the greatest seasons ever by an outfielder :o



Quote from Peter Gammons. One of the few ESPN people who doesn't have a vendetta against the Mets:
“In the National League East, where the Phillies and Braves are very good and very aggressive, the Mets now have what no one else has: the best pitcher on the planet.”

a vendetta against the mets? paranoid much?

Fox Sports Best By Position
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7673598/A-position-by-position-look-at-

Catcher
Joe Mauer, Twins

First base
Albert Pujols, Cardinals

Second base
Chase Utley, Phillies

Third base
Alex Rodriguez, Yankees

Shortstop
Jimmy Rollins, Phillies

Left field
Matt Holliday, Rockies

Center field
Ichiro Suzuki, Mariners

Right field
Vladimir Guerrero, Angels

Designated hitter
David Ortiz, Red Sox

Right-handed starter
Brandon Webb, Diamondbacks

Left-handed starter
C.C. Sabathia, Indians

Closer
Joe Nathan, Twins

sabathia over santana? webb over peavy? mauer over martin? those don't sound right to me.

[Fran]

Sabathia over Verlander? (

^^^ blind sad face

[Dark Donnie]

a vendetta against the mets? paranoid much?


I didn't get that either.....most analysts rave about The Mets, especially of late obviously.

[Dark Donnie]

Worst By Position (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7737168/Position-by-position-look-at-MLB's-worst)

C — Jason Kendall, Brewers


1B — Kevin Millar, Orioles


2B — Ray Durham, Giants


3B — Rich Aurilia, Giants


SS — Omar Vizquel, Giants


LF — Juan Pierre, Dodgers


CF — Mark Kotsay, Braves


RF — Mark Teahen, Royals

Giants Stink

[cyborg ninja 14]

God I want Verlander to win a Cy Young this year.

Just a Cy Young? AL or NL doesn't really matter to you?:cwink:

[Fran]

I want them to win it all.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I want them to win it all.

And they will :ikyn

[Fran]

The bullpen worries me big-time.

[Showtime]

They still need to address that somehow.

[Spidey-Bat]

a vendetta against the mets? paranoid much?
It's not paranoia if it's true.

sabathia over santana? webb over peavy? mauer over martin? those don't sound right to me.
Agreed.

The list of worst players by position is also bad. Millar is better than Sexson.

[Dark Donnie]

It's not paranoia if it's true.


Agreed.

The list of worst players by position is also bad. Millar is better than Sexson.

What gives you the impression they have something against the Mets....

[Erzengel]

I just looked it up, it's been 100 years since the Cubs won a World Series. I always knew they were close but I guess this year is the year.

:eek:


:GR87:

[Spidey-Bat]

The fact that the Mets are bashed constantly. It's not even just ESPN but other media. For example, take this article on the NL East from MLB.com:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article_perspectives.jsp?ymd=20080201&content_id=2362282&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp

With the exception of replacing Glavine with Santana, the Mets hadn't made any high-profile acquisitions this offseason and personnel-wise are very similar to last year's team.

Obviously when you disregard the biggest trade of of the off-season, it doesn't look like they did much. What does he expect. They acquire Santana AND Manny Ramirez and Jason Bay?

Compare it to what he says of the Phillies:
Sure, they lost Aaron Rowand, but they also added Pedro Feliz to play third, upgraded their rotation by moving Brett Myers from the bullpen and added Brad Lidge to close.
He makes it sound like Feliz will be as good offensively as Rowand and Lidge is the lights-out closer he was in Houston several years ago.

Now the Braves:
The addition of Glavine, having first baseman Teixeira for a full season and the acquisition of center fielder Mark Kotsay should make the Braves more formidable than they were in 2007.
Glavine is a 5th starter at this point in his career and Mark Kotsay is a huge downgrade from Andruw Jones, even in a bad year. The idea that a washed up starter and broken down CF will make the Braves formidable is laughable.

[Dark Donnie]

I do agree with them about the Phillies, losing Rowand really isn't going to hurt us. Victorino in CF and a platoon of Jenkins and Werth is better, at least in my eyes. Feliz is a huge improvement on what we had.

As for The Mets, he expected them to address other areas in the off season, who'd they lose? Is there Bullpen an issue?

[sinewave]

Worst By Position (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7737168/Position-by-position-look-at-MLB's-worst)



Giants Stink

no big secret there. :cwink:

It's not paranoia if it's true.

:whatever:

[Spidey-Bat]

Rowand is better than Feliz though.

What the Phillies do with the 5th spot in their rotation and their middle-relief? The Mets bumped everyone down in their rotation and have at least accumulated arms to compete for relief roles.

:whatever:

Roll your eyes all you want, it's true.

[sinewave]

Roll your eyes all you want, it's true.

oh, they're rolling alright. it sounds like the guy who wrote the article you linked to is a phillies fan. but, i've never read any of this other stuff, so i don't know. how about espn, got any articles you can link to that'll prove their anti-met conspiracy?

[Spidey-Bat]

oh, they're rolling alright. it sounds like the guy who wrote the article you linked to is a phillies fan. but, i've never read any of this other stuff, so i don't know. how about espn, got any articles you can link to that'll prove their anti-met conspiracy?

Find anything not by Rob Neyer or Peter Gammons. You'll bump into something. I don't have Insider so I don't have access to a lot of older stuff.

[Dark Donnie]

oh, they're rolling alright. it sounds like the guy who wrote the article you linked to is a phillies fan. but, i've never read any of this other stuff, so i don't know. how about espn, got any articles you can link to that'll prove their anti-met conspiracy?

I don't think he necessarily comes off as a Phillies fan, he states that IF The Phillies can keep Howard, Rollins, and Utley healthy they should be fine.

As for Rowand vs Feliz, why look at it like that? Rowand vs Victorino, I give it to Victorino, Feliz vs Dobbs/Helms goes to Feliz.

As for the 5th starter, that's still up in the air. Maybe they'll pull someone out of the hat or go with Durbin or Eaton.

[Dark Donnie]

Find anything not by Rob Neyer or Peter Gammons. You'll bump into something. I don't have Insider so I don't have access to a lot of older stuff.

Im sure I could find plenty of articles at ESPN putting the Phillies down.

[Spidey-Bat]

As for Rowand vs Feliz, why look at it like that? Rowand vs Victorino, I give it to Victorino, Feliz vs Dobbs/Helms goes to Feliz.
Victorino is a Judy. While Rowand was likely to regress, he's still a better hitter.

As for the 5th starter, that's still up in the air. Maybe they'll pull someone out of the hat or go with Durbin or Eaton.
Both options suck. Eaton was a disaster last year. Durbin gave up 13 HR in Comerica.

[sinewave]

Find anything not by Rob Neyer or Peter Gammons. You'll bump into something. I don't have Insider so I don't have access to a lot of older stuff.

i'm not about to go read through everything written by the rest of their staff. vendetta's a pretty strong term. maybe bias would be more accurate.

I don't think he necessarily comes off as a Phillies fan, he states that IF The Phillies can keep Howard, Rollins, and Utley healthy they should be fine.

As for Rowand vs Feliz, why look at it like that? Rowand vs Victorino, I give it to Victorino, Feliz vs Dobbs/Helms goes to Feliz.

As for the 5th starter, that's still up in the air. Maybe they'll pull someone out of the hat or go with Durbin or Eaton.

how does that disqualify him from being a phillies fan? it sounds pretty rational to me. health is a concern for every club.

you're right about those comparisons.

[Dark Donnie]

Victorino is a Judy. While Rowand was likely to regress, he's still a better hitter.


Both options suck. Eaton was a disaster last year. Durbin gave up 13 HR in Comerica.

I still like are top 3 in Cole, Myers, and Kendrick

[sinewave]

Victorino is a Judy.

what does that even mean? he cross-dresses?

[steintym]

Worst By Position (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7737168/Position-by-position-look-at-MLB's-worst)



Giants Stink

No wonder my rotisserie team was so awful. I actually had a handful of those players on my team. They don't help fantasy teams either. :wow:

[Spidey-Bat]

what does that even mean? he cross-dresses?

Do you seriously not know? It's short for a punch-and-judy hitter. A guy who hits mostly singles and has little power.


I still like are top 3 in Cole, Myers, and Kendrick

There are still questions regarding those 3. Hamels' health, Myers adjusting back to the rotation, and Kendrick repeating his performance.

[sinewave]

Do you seriously not know? It's short for a punch-and-judy hitter. A guy who hits mostly singles and has little power.

nope, never heard that term before. i usually hear them referred to as slap hitters. he doesn't look like a "judy" to me. he had 38 extra-base hits in a little over 450 ABs last year for a .423 slug%. that's not bad for a CF. he's no beltran, but he's certainly no juan pierre.

[Dark Donnie]

Do you seriously not know? It's short for a punch-and-judy hitter. A guy who hits mostly singles and has little power.




There are still questions regarding those 3. Hamels' health, Myers adjusting back to the rotation, and Kendrick repeating his performance.

Ever team has questions though....

[Spidey-Bat]

Ever team has questions though....

I can't think of any teams that are labeled contenders that have questions about their entire rotation and relief.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I can't think of any teams that are labeled contenders that have questions about their entire rotation and relief.

Yankees:ninja:

[Dark Donnie]

I can't think of any teams that are labeled contenders that have questions about their entire rotation and relief.

The Mets have ?'s. Whose to say that Pedro can stay healthy, Perez can continue, or will he revert back to his old ways. Can Johan take the pressure of NY, can he gain his CY status back.

Can the Mets Rebound from the collapse of last season.


The Phillies, for how much you dog the bullpen was actually quite good the second half of the year.

There in much better shape in terms of Bullpen and Starting rotation this year then last, and they won the division so...

[Spidey-Bat]

The Mets have ?'s. Whose to say that Pedro can stay healthy, Perez can continue, or will he revert back to his old ways. Can Johan take the pressure of NY, can he gain his CY status back.
The "can he handle NY?" is bull**** for everyone. If he's good, no one will consider it. If he's not, it's all of a sudden the reason for his failure. He competed in Minnesota, it's not as if he gave up or didn't try to pitch his best. He has pitched great against the NL teams. His "down" year last year was fine. 24 of the 33 home runs he allowed were solo home runs (one was an inside-the-parker against Carl Crawford. I'll let you decide whether to ignore it or consider it). Pedro pitched fine when he came back and was even projected to make at least 25 starts by Baseball America (or Prospectus. I'll double check).

Even if you count Pedro, that's questions for 4 starters compared to Philly's five.


Can the Mets Rebound from the collapse of last season.
Now that they have Santana, yes. He changes the subject players will be asked during ST. And there likely won't be any more 4 game losing streaks or sweeps by the Phillies because of him.

The Phillies, for how much you dog the bullpen was actually quite good the second half of the year.
It overachieved.

[cyborg ninja 14]

The Mets have ?'s. Whose to say that Pedro can stay healthy, Perez can continue, or will he revert back to his old ways. Can Johan take the pressure of NY, can he gain his CY status back.

Can the Mets Rebound from the collapse of last season.


The Phillies, for how much you dog the bullpen was actually quite good the second half of the year.

There in much better shape in terms of Bullpen and Starting rotation this year then last, and they won the division so...

What the hell? The Phillies were lucky with the shape of their pitching staff was in last year. Selling Johan a little short, he got hit around a bit last year, but he's facing less patient and easier lineups in the NL east. I still think the park factor of Citizens Bank will pose a problem for the Phils staff.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Pedro pitched fine when he came back and was even projected to make at least 25 starts by Baseball America (or Prospectus. I'll double check).


I respect Baseball America and/or Prospectus, but unless they personally have examined Pedro's elbow themselves, I'm taking that with a grain of salt for now.

[Dark Donnie]

What the hell? The Phillies were lucky with the shape of their pitching staff was in last year. Selling Johan a little short, he got hit around a bit last year, but he's facing less patient and easier lineups in the NL east. I still think the park factor of Citizens Bank will pose a problem for the Phils staff.

Lucky in what way? Losing Garcia and Lieber early, I think they battled pretty well.

Putting Myers back into the rotation is certainly going to upgrade there rotation.

[E. Nygma]

Lucky in what way? Losing Garcia and Lieber early, I think they battled pretty well.

Putting Myers back into the rotation is certainly going to upgrade there rotation.

Myers back into the rotation and getting Lidge as a closer was the best move they could have made. Nothing they could have done through free agency would have been any better, and they obviously dont have the prospect power in the farm system to get a top of the line starter like Santana.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Lucky in what way?

Putting Myers back into the rotation is certainly going to upgrade there rotation.

Lucky in that they overachieved during the period in the Mets were falling backwards.

Phils 07 ERA: 4.73
Mets 07 ERA: 4.26

Phils allowed 1555 hits and 767 earned runs in 1458.1 innings
Mets allowed 1415 hits and 687 earned runs in 1453.1 innings (Yikes, a difference of only 6 innings)

And finally, the Phils allowed 33 more HR, which probably attributes to pitching in Citizens Bank park.

So, that can somewhat give you an indication of how lucky the Phils pitching staff managed compared to the Mets in '07. Also: The Phils offense made up for the less than spectucular pitching staff.

[E. Nygma]

Lucky in that they overachieved during the period in the Mets were falling backwards.

Phils 07 ERA: 4.73
Mets 07 ERA: 4.26

Phils allowed 1555 hits and 767 earned runs in 1458.1 innings
Mets allowed 1415 hits and 687 earned runs in 1453.1 innings (Yikes, a difference of only 6 innings)

And finally, the Phils allowed 33 more HR, which probably attributes to pitching in Citizens Bank park.

So, that can somewhat give you an indication of how lucky the Phils pitching staff managed compared to the Mets in '07. Also: The Phils offense made up for the less than spectucular pitching staff.

The Mets pitching is clearly better than the Phillies, whats your point?

The Mets falling backward period was season long when it came to the Phillies. It was a team that they consistently failed to beat. Thats not luck.

Luck might be getting a bloop single to win a game or someone as defensively solid as Scott Rolen misfielding a ball to win a game, but it's not the Phillies beating the Mets eleven times and the Mets completely collapsing down the stretch to blow a seven game lead.

Why Met fans continue to be bitter and not give the Phillies an ounce of credit is beyond me. It's like the 07 season never happened, the Phillies were a complete and utter fluke who came out of nowhere. Many people picked that team to win the division, and they did, when they were healthy and clicking on all cylinders.

[Showtime]

Lucky in that they overachieved during the period in the Mets were falling backwards.

Phils 07 ERA: 4.73
Mets 07 ERA: 4.26

Phils allowed 1555 hits and 767 earned runs in 1458.1 innings
Mets allowed 1415 hits and 687 earned runs in 1453.1 innings (Yikes, a difference of only 6 innings)

And finally, the Phils allowed 33 more HR, which probably attributes to pitching in Citizens Bank park.

So, that can somewhat give you an indication of how lucky the Phils pitching staff managed compared to the Mets in '07. Also: The Phils offense made up for the less than spectucular pitching staff.

As we all know those stats didn't matter. The Mets collapsed and didn't even make the playoffs. Look at what happened to the Patriots. The point is the Mets have this collapse hanging over them, so let's home Santana provides a spark.

[Dark Donnie]

Lucky in that they overachieved during the period in the Mets were falling backwards.

Phils 07 ERA: 4.73
Mets 07 ERA: 4.26

Phils allowed 1555 hits and 767 earned runs in 1458.1 innings
Mets allowed 1415 hits and 687 earned runs in 1453.1 innings (Yikes, a difference of only 6 innings)

And finally, the Phils allowed 33 more HR, which probably attributes to pitching in Citizens Bank park.

So, that can somewhat give you an indication of how lucky the Phils pitching staff managed compared to the Mets in '07. Also: The Phils offense made up for the less than spectucular pitching staff.

Overachieving and being lucky are two different things...

Im not saying the Phillies staff is filled with aces, but Cole, Myers, and Kendrick are far from terrible. Cole was lights out in the beginning of last year, battling with Peavy at one point for the better first half. Injuries are an issue with him but when hes healthy he's near the top.

[Spidey-Bat]

Many people picked that team to win the division, and they did, when they were healthy and clicking on all cylinders.
The Phillies were healthy? What happened to all this "The Phillies persevered through their injuries"? Now you're saying they were healthy? You can't have it both ways. The reason Met fans aren't as high as Phillie fans are is because a) The Phillies were in first place for one day (which does count for something) and b) They won as many playoff games as 24 other teams.

Calling Brad Lidge a "big acquisition" is a lot. It's doubtful he'll return to form and given the fact that CBP is a launching pad with some of the most rotten fans in baseball (not saying you specifically, but many of the fans in CBP are ruthless) is not a formula for success . And it's still small potatoes compared to the Mets getting Johan Santana.

BTW, here's some more to consider when judging the Mets' bullpen at the end of the year:
-LRP Aaron Sele. Barely used, washed up, and now gone.
-LOOGY Scott Schoeneweis. While most of the relievers were collapsing, Schoneweis actually had a pretty good stretch. He's still here.
-MRP Guillermo Mota. Was horrible and is now off the team.
-MRP/ROOGY Joe Smith. Struggled due to chronic dead arm that was beginning to turn to tendonitis. Was chronically overworked against the wishes of Rick Peterson.
-MRP Pedro Feliciano. Thought his infant daughter was dying due to a rare heart condition (she has thankfully recovered) and his mind was understandably elsewhere. The only reason he didn't up and leave the team was because he felt an obligation to stay with them.
-MRP Jorge Sosa. Due to his consistency (at first), was overused to the point where his four-seam fastball was totally flat and his slider was close to it.
-SU Aaron Heilman. Pitched through tendonitis and dead arm. Struggled at the end of the season because he felt that he and he alone had to support the entire bullpen.
-CL Billy Wagner. Had back spasms so bad that breathing was painful for him, yet he still went out and pitched. Peterson recommended he be put on the DL and have Carlos Muniz called up to set up Heilman or Sosa. He pitched anyway.

It's so doubtful that this FUBAR will happen again that I'd actually be willing to say it will not.

[Dark Donnie]

The Phillies were healthy? What happened to all this "The Phillies persevered through their injuries"? Now you're saying they were healthy? You can't have it both ways. The reason Met fans aren't as high as Phillie fans are is because a) The Phillies were in first place for one day (which does count for something) and b) They won as many playoff games as 24 other teams.


He said WHEN, I believe he was referring to the end of the year when we finally were completely healthy.

Being in first for one day may not mean a whole lot be we still won the division, and how ever many games it was against the Mets last year.....that's why Phillies fans so high on them.

[cyborg ninja 14]

The Mets pitching is clearly better than the Phillies, whats your point?

The Mets falling backward period was season long when it came to the Phillies. It was a team that they consistently failed to beat. Thats not luck.

Luck might be getting a bloop single to win a game or someone as defensively solid as Scott Rolen misfielding a ball to win a game, but it's not the Phillies beating the Mets eleven times and the Mets completely collapsing down the stretch to blow a seven game lead.

Why Met fans continue to be bitter and not give the Phillies an ounce of credit is beyond me. It's like the 07 season never happened, the Phillies were a complete and utter fluke who came out of nowhere. Many people picked that team to win the division, and they did, when they were healthy and clicking on all cylinders.
I'm not a Mets fan. I'm simply trying to sort through the Phils/Mets war here.


As we all know those stats didn't matter. The Mets collapsed and didn't even make the playoffs. Look at what happened to the Patriots. The point is the Mets have this collapse hanging over them, so let's home Santana provides a spark.
Stats do matter:huh: Comparing a single Football game to the events of several months and multiple games doesnt really work.

Overachieving and being lucky are two different things...

Im not saying the Phillies staff is filled with aces, but Cole, Myers, and Kendrick are far from terrible. Cole was lights out in the beginning of last year, battling with Peavy at one point for the better first half. Injuries are an issue with him but when hes healthy he's near the top.
You're right about Hamels, but...

Being lucky helps you overachieve, look at the Diamondbacks. That team overachieved expectations partly due to lots of lucky breaks by winning many 1 run games. All this despite having a less than spectacular offense and a solid pitching staff. Their record in such games couldv'e easily swayed the other direction, and they might have not won their division had that happened.

I'm also tired of goddamn Phillies/Mets arguments. Are there no more fans of other teams around here?

[Spidey-Bat]

Being in first for one day may not mean a whole lot be we still won the division, and how ever many games it was against the Mets last year.....that's why Phillies fans so high on them.

Other than beating the Mets (which was effortless. Marlins, Nationals, and Cardinals all won series against them at the end of the year), the Phillies didn't prove enough to Met fans. All they proved is they could take advantage of a slumping team. They didn't make any noise in the playoffs or even during the majority of the season.

[Dark Donnie]

They beat up on the Mets before they were slumping as well, why is that effortless?

[E. Nygma]

The Phillies were healthy? What happened to all this "The Phillies persevered through their injuries"? Now you're saying they were healthy? You can't have it both ways. The reason Met fans aren't as high as Phillie fans are is because a) The Phillies were in first place for one day (which does count for something) and b) They won as many playoff games as 24 other teams.

Calling Brad Lidge a "big acquisition" is a lot. It's doubtful he'll return to form and given the fact that CBP is a launching pad with some of the most rotten fans in baseball (not saying you specifically, but many of the fans in CBP are ruthless) is not a formula for success . And it's still small potatoes compared to the Mets getting Johan Santana.

BTW, here's some more to consider when judging the Mets' bullpen at the end of the year:
-LRP Aaron Sele. Barely used, washed up, and now gone.
-LOOGY Scott Schoeneweis. While most of the relievers were collapsing, Schoneweis actually had a pretty good stretch. He's still here.
-MRP Guillermo Mota. Was horrible and is now off the team.
-MRP/ROOGY Joe Smith. Struggled due to chronic dead arm that was beginning to turn to tendonitis. Was chronically overworked against the wishes of Rick Peterson.
-MRP Pedro Feliciano. Thought his infant daughter was dying due to a rare heart condition (she has thankfully recovered) and his mind was understandably elsewhere. The only reason he didn't up and leave the team was because he felt an obligation to stay with them.
-MRP Jorge Sosa. Due to his consistency (at first), was overused to the point where his four-seam fastball was totally flat and his slider was close to it.
-SU Aaron Heilman. Pitched through tendonitis and dead arm. Struggled at the end of the season because he felt that he and he alone had to support the entire bullpen.
-CL Billy Wagner. Had back spasms so bad that breathing was painful for him, yet he still went out and pitched. Peterson recommended he be put on the DL and have Carlos Muniz called up to set up Heilman or Sosa. He pitched anyway.

It's so doubtful that this FUBAR will happen again that I'd actually be willing to say it will not.

The Phillies won the division when they were healthy. Which is what i said. Howard was back, Utley was back, Hamels was back, Myers was closing, Gordon was back, Victorino was back they hadn't played together as a whole since basically April. When they did, they got hot in September, and won the division.

While i like Lidge, i'm not saying he's Mariano Rivera or Trevor Hoffman. I think he'll save 30 games or so, and thats fine. I KNOW he'll probably blow some games to. However having Lidge closing and Myers starting is a clear open country mile better than having a rotation WITHOUT Myers, making him close or a bullpen with Gordon closing.

JC Romero and Gordon bridging to Lidge i'm totally fine with. I just hope Lidge can forget his downfall in Houston and come out here and make a fresh start.

As for CBP having awful fans. I disagree strongly. CBP is a very corporate family crowd now. It's not the vet where everyone was drunk and looking to start fights. I'm there all the time and i can honestly say without biased that the atmosphere is much friendlier and the fans are probably less "die hard", aren't really there to see the game as much as they are the beautiful park. I dont know if you've ever been, i've been to Mets games there and it predominantly is Mets fans showing up and thats when fights get started and such because the teams are such big rivals. Really no different than any stadium.

Mota and Sosa were horrible, the Mets bullpen was a disaster in September, thats why they lost the division.

[Spidey-Bat]

They beat up on the Mets before they were slumping as well, why is that effortless?

They beat the Mets at the 2 points in the season they were slumping.

[Dark Donnie]

I'll have to check but I don't believe they were doing poorly in either series leading up to the Phillies in either Aug or Sep.

They won 9 out of 13 leading going into the Aug series(swept) and 10 out of 12 leading into the Sept series(swept). The Phillies were a huge part of why they were struggling, taking the last 8 meetings between the two.

[NewYorkSpider]

Is this a who was better last year (Phillies/Mets) conversation again? :lmao:

[Spidey-Bat]

Is this a who was better last year (Phillies/Mets) conversation again? :lmao:

It was who is better this year. Spring Training must get here.

[The Apocalypse]

http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/

Its up and running. I'm not sure if someone is going to make an SHH league, but I'll be up to joining

[Dark Donnie]

http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/

Its up and running. I'm not sure if someone is going to make an SHH league, but I'll be up to joining

Count me in as well.

Alot of people that ran them no longer are members......I'll start it up if no one takes the reins.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I'll join the fiasco.

[Spidey-Bat]

I'll run a Fantasy league if no one else wants to.

[Dark Donnie]

I'll join the fiasco.

Did you run it last year? I don't think I played since Tuki was in it.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Did you run it last year? I don't think I played since Tuki was in it.

No I didn't actually.

[Dark Donnie]

I'll run a Fantasy league if no one else wants to.

go for it if you want, just leave me a spot. :up:

[Spidey-Bat]

I tried to start one last year but only cyborg_ninja responded wanting to join.

I'm going to do a live draft on Sunday Feb 17 at 2:30pm (EST). To make things easier, use your account name on SHH as your team name.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I do remember that.

[Dark Donnie]

I tried to start one last year but only cyborg_ninja responded wanting to join.

Im down, Cyborg, Apocolypse, I bet Fran would do it. I think you could get at least 10

[NewYorkSpider]

Count me in.

[Fran]

I would play... That gives me like 7 leagues to play in, total of 4 sports :o

[cyborg ninja 14]

Excellent. *drafts A-Rod, Miguel Cabrera, Santana, Verlander, Webb ect.*

I wish:csad:

[Spidey-Bat]

I'm going to do a live draft on Sunday Feb 17 at 2:30pm (EST). To make things easier, use your account name on SHH as your team name.

[Fran]

I will draft the entire Tigers roster.

[Dark Donnie]

I'm going to do a live draft on Sunday Feb 17 at 2:30pm (EST). To make things easier, use your account name on SHH as your team name.

Are you gonna set it up this week or just wait?

[Spidey-Bat]

Before I register, any objections to the settings?

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1498/shhjh6.gif

[Fran]

I can dig it.

[NewYorkSpider]

Looks good.

[Spidey-Bat]

Anyone else? Speak now or forever hold your piece.

[Dark Donnie]

Looks fine to me

[Spidey-Bat]

Yahoo Fantasy Baseball (click this to register):
http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1

Superhero Hype League:
http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/superherohypeleague

League ID#: 4266
League Name: Superhero Hype
Password: malice (all lower caps)

Settings: http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4504/shhob8.gif

Draft Day: Sunday February 24 2:30pm EST (1:30 CST, 12:30 MST, 11:30 PST)

16 teams max. Using your account name here is suggested to make it easier for possible deals and such. I'll keep a list of people who have signed up here.

CLOSED
Spidey-Bat (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=8131)
Fran (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=38257)
Dark Donnie (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=17098)
NewYorkSpider (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=40464)
Showtime (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=27914)
Superman79 (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=28204) (The S79 Red Sox)
EL ASESINO (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=42328) (Butterflies)
E. Nygma (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=63200) (Michael Jack Schmidt)
Kingfish (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=28204)
Jerry! (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=53231) (Team Rowsdower)
Captain Planet! (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=50543)
sinewave (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=15780) (Sinewave's Sox)
cyborg ninja 14 (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=7797) (Cy Ninja14)
steintym (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=50891) (Steintymers)
Dodger (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=21870) (Dodger Dogs)
The Apocalypse (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=31140) (apoc)

[Fran]

Joined.

Frantasia

[Dark Donnie]

Why isn't it working :mad:

[Fran]

You have to go to the Fantasy Baseball main page and join a custom league already made.

ID# is 4266

[Spidey-Bat]

Sorry about that.

http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1

[NewYorkSpider]

I've joined.

[Dark Donnie]

Got it, Thanks

[Spidey-Bat]

If the draft day/time doesn't work, let me know. I want to have it on a Sunday around 2-3ish since it seems the most reasonable for people on both East and West coast and Sundays are usually quiet.

[Showtime]

That is cool with me. I am excited.

[Fran]

God I love my name

[Showtime]

Frantasia is pretty witty, but Showtimers has nostalgic charm.

[Showtime]

Bobby Kielty agreed to a deal with the Red Sox.

[El ASESINO]

I've joined

I'm the Butterflies

oops I made a mistake I did not knew I had to use my shh name for the team name I will change it.

[Kingfish]

joined.

[Jerry!]

I'm in I guess. Team Rowsdower. Never been in one

[Spidey-Bat]

I'm watching the Mets' press conference with Santana. I'm a bit surprised as to how well he spoke English. He's very articulate and does not have a heavy accent.

[E. Nygma]

Spidey i'm getting in this!

[Spidey-Bat]

Go ahead.

[E. Nygma]

I'm in

[Spidey-Bat]

Anyone mind if I change the date to Sunday February 24th (would be same time, 2:30pm)?

[Spidey-Bat]

I'm in I guess. Team Rowsdower. Never been in one

On our draft day, you go on and draft players. If you aren't on, it'll automatically draft the highest ranked player when your pick comes around. You can also create an order you want guys and if they're available, it will automatically draft them as opposed to the best available.

When the season starts, you modify your roster everyday so everyone you have playing on your roster is playing in an actual game.

[Superman79]

Anyone mind if I change the date to Sunday February 24th (would be same time, 2:30pm)?

That would be just fine by me. :up:

[Fran]

Frantasia FTW

[Dark Donnie]

On our draft day, you go on and draft players. If you aren't on, it'll automatically draft the highest ranked player when your pick comes around. You can also create an order you want guys and if they're available, it will automatically draft them as opposed to the best available.

When the season starts, you modify your roster everyday so everyone you have playing on your roster is playing in an actual game.

I can't get the draft feature to work from work(blocks it)......I will get back to you

[Captain Planet!]

Whats happening? :huh:

[Spidey-Bat]

Whats happening? :huh:

Yahoo Fantasy Baseball league. If you want to join, click the link in my sig.

[Superman79]

The S79 Red Sox are up and running...I know I didn't use my SHH name, but if poeople can't figure whose team it is, then they clearly spend very little time on the Hype. :D

[Spidey-Bat]

Don't worry if you didn't use your SHH user name. If it's something similar that's fine. If it's something completely different, it doesn't matter.

[Fran]

If people can't figure out my name, then you're out of luck.

[Jerry!]

Same with mine. If you don't know who Zap Rowsdower is, then god be with you, because no one else on this earth will be.

[Captain Planet!]

I registered the Captain PlanetO's.

[Spidey-Bat]

Same with mine. If you don't know who Zap Rowsdower is, then god be with you, because no one else on this earth will be.

He looks like Larry Cszonka.

[sinewave]

i'm in.

[Spidey-Bat]

Only 2 spots left

[Dark Donnie]

Report: McNamee has hard evidence vs. Clemens

A source close to Brian McNamee told the New York Daily News that the trainer gave the Justice Department's BALCO investigators vials with traces of steroids and growth hormone, as well as blood-stained syringes and gauze pads that may contain Roger Clemens' DNA.

McNamee's lawyers wouldn't say that was the case, though they did say they had evidence linking Clemens to performance enhancers. "This is evidence the government has that we believe will corroborate Brian in every significant way," said McNamee lawyer Earl Ward. Feb. 6 - 4:15 pm et
Source: New York Daily News


:bh:

[Superman79]

:bh:

That entire thing with Clemens just makes me giggle with glee...:D

[Spidey-Bat]

Just to play devil's advocate: Why does he still have hazardous material? Aren't used needles and gauze pads supposed to be disposed in those biohazard containers you see in doctor's offices? It's sketchy but that's not what this is about. If it is stuff used on Clemens, it proves he did it.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Registered as Cy Ninja.

[Dark Donnie]

Just to play devil's advocate: Why does he still have hazardous material? Aren't used needles and gauze pads supposed to be disposed in those biohazard containers you see in doctor's offices? It's sketchy but that's not what this is about. If it is stuff used on Clemens, it proves he did it.

That is a bit odd

[Showtime]

If people can't figure out my name, then you're out of luck.

Franny's Fairys?

[Superman79]

ZING!!! :p

Personally, I rather like it...it rolls off the tongue

[Spidey-Bat]

I made some changes to the settings:
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6118/shhrj0.gif

No waiver wire (didn't realize what it was). Trade rejects are 0 days which means they happen instantly once both sides accept. Cut down the roster size to 27 (makes 42 more guys available on the FA's). Made the stat scores the traditional 5x5 instead.

[steintym]

Hey guys, I've joined as the Steintymers. Looking forward to it - I think we've got a complete league.

[The Apocalypse]

wow its full :(

[cyborg ninja 14]

There's one spot left? Unless Spidey hasn't updated the list.

[Spidey-Bat]

I PM'd someone last night offering them a spot. If they reply saying they want to join, I'll expand it to 16. If not, I'll leave it as is.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I PM'd someone last night offering them a spot. If they reply saying they want to join, I'll expand it to 16. If not, I'll leave it as is.

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/weisman_firejoemorgancom_and_the_office_worlds_are _colliding/

I understand some of the critisim. But christ, some people have a stick up their ass.

[The Apocalypse]

I PM'd someone last night offering them a spot. If they reply saying they want to join, I'll expand it to 16. If not, I'll leave it as is.

if another spot opens up can you PM and let me know cause I'd like to join.

[Spidey-Bat]

Definitely.

[Superman79]

Hey guys, I've joined as the Steintymers. Looking forward to it - I think we've got a complete league.

And you are who??? :huh: :oldrazz:

[Jerry!]

Some good news out for White Sox fans, the Hawk will be in the broadcast booth for at least another 3 years, provided he doesn't die of old age or anything. The biggest signing of the year for the White Sox! You can put it on the boooarrrd....YESSSS! Unfortunately Darrin Jackson will be joining him again. Can't win em' all I guess.

[NewYorkSpider]

Baseball season is less than 2 months away. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

Anyone going to some games this year? Me and my friend may drive to Chicago and watch the Cubs or White Sox play. We may even hit up both stadiums.

[Nightmare]

Dodgers!!!!!!!!

[Dodger]

Dodgers!!!!!!!!

Word. :cool:

[Kingfish]

Baseball season is less than 2 months away. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

Anyone going to some games this year? Me and my friend may drive to Chicago and watch the Cubs or White Sox play. We may even hit up both stadiums.

should go to a bunch of angel games this year. hooray for bumming off your family's season tickets.

[Dark Donnie]

Pedro Martinez-S-Mets Feb. 7 - 2:53 am et

A video of Pedro Martinez and Hall of Famer Juan Marichal at a cockfight was posted this week on YouTube.

The two took part as honorary "soltadores," the word used to describe the person who puts the animal to fight. Cockfighting is legal in the Dominican Republic, where the incident took place, so Pedro doesn't have to worry about joining Michael Vick in prison. Still, the Mets can't be happy about the publicity this is going to bring.
Source: The Associated Press

:dry:

[Superman79]

Baseball season is less than 2 months away. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

Anyone going to some games this year? Me and my friend may drive to Chicago and watch the Cubs or White Sox play. We may even hit up both stadiums.

Red Sox @ Royals in August with my dad.
Red Sox @ Twins in June(?) with my brother.

:up: :D

[Poeman]

:dry:

at least u can eat them once they die.

mcchicken sandwich that cock

[Dark Donnie]

at least u can eat them once they die.

mcchicken sandwich that cock

haha.

I just found it funny that he was a honorary "soltadores"

[Albiceleste]

I'm going to see the Dodgers when they come to shea stadium

[The Incredible Hulk]

Baseball season is less than 2 months away. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

Anyone going to some games this year? Me and my friend may drive to Chicago and watch the Cubs or White Sox play. We may even hit up both stadiums.

I fly back to MI 2 or 3 times over the course of the season and will usually check out my Tigs a few times. My current job has a suite at Citizen's Bank Park so I usually wind up at a few Phillies games too.

[sinewave]

Some good news out for White Sox fans, the Hawk will be in the broadcast booth for at least another 3 years, provided he doesn't die of old age or anything. The biggest signing of the year for the White Sox! You can put it on the boooarrrd....YESSSS! Unfortunately Darrin Jackson will be joining him again. Can't win em' all I guess.

that's good news??? :huh:

[Erzengel]

:dry:
Chickens aren't like dogs though so there should be no comparison to Michael Vick.

Plus they are chickens. I just had some chicken in my salad for lunch. They were good.

[Dark Donnie]

Chickens aren't like dogs though so there should be no comparison to Michael Vick.

Plus they are chickens. I just had some chicken in my salad for lunch. They were good.

As I stated I don't really care about the Chicken Fighting, its legal there. I just found it funny that he was like the Master of Ceremonies at some cock fight.

[Erzengel]

I have a feeling the "media" is going to blow this out of proportions.

[Dark Donnie]

I have a feeling the "media" is going to blow this out of proportions.

I think the NY media, and the Mets were just disappointed he was there. I think they realise that stuff is commonplace over there.

Joe Blanton-S-Athletics Feb. 7 - 1:10 pm et

The Reds and A's have reportedly resumed discussions regarding Joe Blanton.

FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal says in a video that the Reds and one other team, possibly the Twins or the Rays, are currently in talks with Oakland. The A's are content to go with Blanton as their Opening Day starter, but if the haul is significant enough, they'll go in a different direction. From the Reds, they'd likely want either Homer Bailey or Johnny Cueto and a second youngster.
Source: Cincinnati Enquirer
Related: Reds, Twins, Rays

[cyborg ninja 14]

Beane is gonna move Blanton regardless whether it's now, or later.


http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080206&content_id=2366186&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

The Clemens/McNamee coverage will begin again soon. Anyone else ready for the highest contested battle of Texan and New York sized accents?

[Dark Donnie]

Isn't Homer Bailey there top prospect?

[cyborg ninja 14]

Isn't Homer Bailey there top prospect?

Yeah, which makes me wonder if the Reds really would want to make that deal.

[Dark Donnie]

Yeah, which makes me wonder if the Reds really would want to make that deal.

I didn't think Blanton was worth that.


Curt Schilling-S-Red Sox Feb. 7 - 1:38 pm et

The Boston Herald reports that Curt Schilling may need surgery for what's likely either a rotator cuff or labrum injury.

Schilling is done after this year, so we don't see why he'd undergo surgery. Unless he's reconsidering and wants to extend his career beyond 2008, then he'll have to try to pitch through the problem. According to the Herald, the Red Sox are already exploring the possibility of voiding Schilling's contract. They could decide to make a run at Kyle Lohse or take a flier on Bartolo Colon or Freddy Garcia if they don't think Schilling will make it back.
Source: Boston Herald
Related: Clay Buchholz

[sinewave]

Curt Schilling-S-Red Sox Feb. 7 - 1:38 pm et

The Boston Herald reports that Curt Schilling may need surgery for what's likely either a rotator cuff or labrum injury.

Schilling is done after this year, so we don't see why he'd undergo surgery. Unless he's reconsidering and wants to extend his career beyond 2008, then he'll have to try to pitch through the problem. According to the Herald, the Red Sox are already exploring the possibility of voiding Schilling's contract. They could decide to make a run at Kyle Lohse or take a flier on Bartolo Colon or Freddy Garcia if they don't think Schilling will make it back.
Source: Boston Herald
Related: Clay Buchholz

good thing they've got some pitching depth.

[Showtime]

I just heard on the radio that he is done for the year and the Red Sox are trying to void is contract as above.

I wonder if they knew this before, would they have gone at Santana harder.

"Curse of the Red Hoodie"

[sinewave]

I just heard on the radio that he is done for the year and the Red Sox are trying to void is contract as above.

I wonder if they knew this before, would they have gone at Santana harder.

"Curse of the Red Hoodie"

that sucks, but there's a good chance he wouldn't have pitched all that well or even stayed healthy enough to provide much more value than lester, buchholz or wakefield. i hope they don't panic and go after someone like lohse.

[Spidey-Bat]

I wonder if they knew this before, would they have gone at Santana harder.
I doubt it.

[Jerry!]

that's good news??? :huh:


Yeah for White Sox fans. We don't care what other fans think about him. Same way we were and the Cubs were with Harry Caray.

If you want a professional broadcast, you won't get it from Hawk. What you will get is pure entertainment. But it is kinda uneasy entertainment. Like Michael Scott - you'll cringe, you'll gasp you will laugh uncomfortably. But in the end, you'll be uttering, "You're dad-gum right this game is going to be played under protest" during business meetings when something doesn't go your way.

[Captain Planet!]

Isn't Homer Bailey there top prospect?
What kind of person actually names their kid Homer?

[Spidey-Bat]

http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/0207_pedro_martinez_wm.pdf

"As many of PETA's 1.8 million members and supporters are baseball fans, we at were disheartened to learn a video showing you and Hall of Famer Juan Marichal taking part in a cockfight as honorary soldatores"

Like how they didn't bother to check the grammar ("we at were"?).

[Jerry!]

PETA rallies outside of Shea Stadium may be in the future.

[Fran]

Regarding the Mets and Pedro incident...

The media in NY will take the "Excel" method, by saying it's no big deal. But when another team has a cockfight participant, they will say it's immoral, etc.

[Dark Donnie]

I just heard on the radio that he is done for the year and the Red Sox are trying to void is contract as above.

I wonder if they knew this before, would they have gone at Santana harder.

"Curse of the Red Hoodie"

I doubt it.

Peter Gammons was just asked the question and he said The Red Sox wanted to deal for Santana but they wouldn't have been able to sign him. They were only willing to go 5 Years. He also said that Santana wouldn't budge for The Mets and even threaten to go to FA if they didn't come up from there offer $135 mil and whatever the years were. Came close to walking away..

[Spidey-Bat]

Regarding the Mets and Pedro incident...

The media in NY will take the "Excel" method, by saying it's no big deal. But when another team has a cockfight participant, they will say it's immoral, etc.

It's a non-issue. Plus the futility of the Knicks is more interesting.

[E. Nygma]

it's a non-issue because everyone already knew the Mets loved the c***

[Spidey-Bat]

it's a non-issue because everyone already knew the Mets loved the c***

classy :rolleyes:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

It's legal in the Dominican Republic.

That right there ends the discussion, for me.

[Dark Donnie]

Santana Almost Walked (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/tom_verducci/02/07/verducci.santana/index.html)


Pitcher Johan Santana gave the Mets a preview of his competitiveness last Friday, five minutes before the initial deadline to their contract negotiations. With the two sides just $5 million apart, Santana personally informed Mets owner Fred Wilpon that he was walking away from $135 million, according to two sources familiar with the negotiations.

Santana, through his agent, Peter Greenberg, had informed the Mets earlier in the day that he wanted $140 million over six years. The Mets were holding firm at $135 million. Santana flew from his Florida home to New York and joined negotiations in Wilpon's office at about 2 p.m. At 4:55 p.m. -- five minutes before the Major League Baseball-mandated deadline -- Santana told Wilpon that he was leaving and was prepared to pitch one more year for Minnesota before becoming a free agent. Mets chief operating officer Jeff Wilpon, general manager Omar Minaya and vice president Tony Bernazard were among those in attendance.

"I told you I wasn't backing off my number," Santana told Fred Wilpon. "I appreciate your offer, but I'm passing on it."

Wilpon replied, "I've been in business a long time. That's a lot of money to walk away from."

"No disrespect to you," Santana said. "But I deserve it. I'll just go back and pitch and I'll get it later. Alex Rodriguez is the highest paid player in the game. I'm the best pitcher. I'm not even asking for that [Rodriguez] kind of money."

Santana was about to walk out of the room when Wilpon and Greenberg agreed to ask Major League Baseball to extend their negotiating window by two hours. The two sides eventually agreed to split the $5 million difference, settling at $137.5 million. The deal also includes Cy Young Award bonuses that could trigger an option year. One of the sources said Santana told Minaya, "You get my clause, I'll get my Cy Young."

Minaya declined to discuss specifics of the contract negotiations. Speaking generally, Minaya said, "We're glad to have him. It is a little unusual to have the player in the room when you're negotiating a contract. It says a lot about the kind of competitor that he is."

I like the CY Young comment

[Spidey-Bat]

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20080207_Rich_Hofmann__SAINTana.html

And people wonder why Philly has the reputation it does as a sports town...

[Dark Donnie]

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20080207_Rich_Hofmann__SAINTana.html

And people wonder why Philly has the reputation it does as a sports town...

:huh: Has nothing to do with Philly at all, the article is actually making fun of himself(Hoffman), and the people in his profession

[Spidey-Bat]

I didn't get that impression.

[Dark Donnie]

I didn't get that impression.

Thats what Hoffman said, about 15 mins ago on Daily News Live.

Why must you constantly put Philly down? Like people from NY are saints, there notoriously known for being rude and angry are as well.

Philly fans are known as die hard fans, no other city would stand by there team and continue to support there teams after 20 some years of winning nothing.

[Captain Planet!]

http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080207&content_id=2367727&vkey=news_bal&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal

02/07/2008 7:28 PM ET
Deal for Bedard appears imminent
Reports have lefty en route to Seattle for trade-clinching exam
By Jim Street / MLB.com

It appears the long-awaited trade between the Mariners and Orioles could be hours away from completion.
Reports out of Baltimore and Seattle on Thursday afternoon said left-handed pitcher Erik Bedard had left his home in Ontario and was headed to Seattle for a physical, possibly the final step in finalizing the six-player trade.
The trade could be announced on Friday, although a Mariners club official told MLB.com on Thursday afternoon that there "was nothing new to report."
It is club policy, however, not to discuss any pending deal -- trade or otherwise -- until it becomes official.
The Mariners would send highly touted outfielder Adam Jones, left-handed reliever George Sherrill and Minor League pitchers Chris Tillman, Kam Mickolio and Tony Butler to the Orioles for Bedard, regarded as one of the best left-handers in Major League Baseball.
Bedard would, along with right-hander Felix Hernandez, give Seattle a terrific one-two punch at the top of the rotation and possibly make the Mariners serious threats to unseat the Angels in the AL West.
Bedard, 28, won nine of his last 10 decisions last season and posted an overall record of 13-5 with a 3.16 ERA. He was a 15-game winner in 2006.
The Mariners went into the offseason hoping to bolster the starting rotation. They added right-hander Carlos Silva via the free agent market and have been pursuing Bedard for nearly two months.
After reaching an agreement in principle -- pending physicals -- news of the deal first broke on Jan. 27 when Jones, playing for the Venezuela Winter League Lara Cardenales, told a Venezuelan reporter that he'd been traded to the Orioles and was supposed to fly to Baltimore the following day for a physical.
That sent both teams into reactionary denial mode, and the story soon spiraled out of control. There have been rumors that Orioles ownership had nixed the deal and that Jones had a medical condition causing the delay, but the deal has still progressed.
Bedard is under contractual control for two more seasons, and is eligible for salary arbitration. A hearing is scheduled for later this month. He requested an $8 million salary while the Orioles countered at $6 million.
When the trade becomes official, the Mariners would assume the salary arbitration situation, but general manager Bill Bavasi has a perfect record of never going to a hearing with one of his players.
Jones, 23, has long been regarded as the Mariners' most prized prospect. He hit .314 with 25 home runs and 84 RBIs for Triple-A Tacoma last season and was named Seattle's Minor League Player of the Year. That was the second time he's earned that designation. Jones, a former shortstop and former first-round Draft pick, made his big league debut before his 21st birthday and has hit .230 in 139 Major League at-bats.
Tillman, Seattle's Minor League Pitcher of the Year, has averaged nearly 10 strikeouts per nine innings in the Minor Leagues. The former second-round Draft pick made 20 starts in the offense-friendly California League last year, notching a 6-7 record and a 5.26 ERA. The 19-year-old rung up 105 strikeouts and walked 48 batters for Class A High Desert. Sherrill and Jones went to Baltimore earlier this week for physicals. Sherrill has been working out at the Mariners' Spring Training Complex in Peoria, Ariz., while awaiting word on the final chapter of the saga.

I still don't know what to think of this trade. :csad:

[Spidey-Bat]

It's a good trade for the O's They were not going to compete next year or the year after and there was no chance Bedard would re-sign with them.

[Dark Donnie]

Joe Blanton-S-Athletics Feb. 8 - 9:32 am et

The Cincinnati Enquirer confirms that the Athletics and Reds have discussed a deal for Joe Blanton.

The Athletics reportedly asked for a package including Homer Bailey or Johnny Cueto, plus Joey Votto and a third player, meaning they're going to have to tone down their request if a deal is to be worked out.
Source: Cincinnati Enquirer
Related: Homer Bailey, Joey Votto

[The Incredible Hulk]

The Reds are nuts if they give up Bailey or Votto for Blanton. I realize the last time they got a mediocre pitcher from Oakland, it was Aaron Harang who's blossomed into an ace, but I just dont see it for Blanton, and not at the price of one of their top prospects.

[sinewave]

agreed. the reds are better off holding on to their prospect. they're gonna be pretty good in a couple of years.

[Dark Donnie]

Kris Benson-S-Orioles Feb. 8 - 11:37 am et

Kris Benson is scheduled to throw for a "handful" of teams on Saturday.

Benson last put on a showcase for interested teams in December. The Phillies, who had Benson in for two private throwing sessions recently, are thought to be in serious talks with the free agent. If he impresses tomorrow it could drive his price up, so there's a chance Philadelphia won't let it get that far.
Source: The Philadelphia Enquirer

Not sure about that move.

[Dark Donnie]

Double Post

[The Incredible Hulk]

typical Phillies. Always trying to patch the hole in the dam with bubble gum. I've sort of adopted them as my NL team since moving to the area about 10years ago, and damn are they frustrating to watch. They NEVER acquire a big pitcher, they always try to "MacGuyver" their staff with guys like Lieber, Eaton, Millwood, Lohse, etc. Are they seriously going to toss Benson out there in that ballpark? He was homer prone in Shea for god's sake, I fear to see what his numbers are going to look like in Philly.

[Dark Donnie]

Kyle Lohse-S-Phillies Feb. 8 - 1:37 pm et

ESPN's Buster Olney reports that the Mets will only sign Kyle Lohse if he agrees to play for New York at a very discounted rate.

Lohse wouldn't be much of an upgrade for the Mets in terms of talent, but he would provide valuable depth for an injury-prone rotation that includes Orlando Hernandez and Pedro Martinez.
Source: espn.com

...

[Dark Donnie]

typical Phillies. Always trying to patch the hole in the dam with bubble gum. I've sort of adopted them as my NL team since moving to the area about 10years ago, and damn are they frustrating to watch. They NEVER acquire a big pitcher, they always try to "MacGuyver" their staff with guys like Lieber, Eaton, Millwood, Lohse, etc. Are they seriously going to toss Benson out there in that ballpark? He was homer prone in Shea for god's sake, I fear to see what his numbers are going to look like in Philly.

Phillies will probably never go out and get an ace from either FA or trade. They live by the mantra of home grown talent with there pitchers which has worked wonders. :cwink:

[Spidey-Bat]

They NEVER acquire a big pitcher
They probably never will acquire a big pitcher unless it's from within. The ballpark is a huge turn-off for a lot of pitchers and they don't seem to have the money to convince them to come anyway.

[Dark Donnie]

They probably never will acquire a big pitcher unless it's from within. The ballpark is a huge turn-off for a lot of pitchers and they don't seem to have the money to convince them to come anyway.

Its more they don't want to shell out the money. It was brought up on a radio station "If The Twins called and said will give you Santana for Wes Helms, they would still have rejected it because the Phillies wouldn't have paid him the amount other teams offered." Until we get our own TV station of something were screwed.

[Dark Donnie]

Erik Bedard-S-Orioles Feb. 8 - 3:11 pm et

Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com reports that "the Erik Bedard trade finally is official."

Bedard took and apparently passed his physical Thursday, so an official announcement should be coming shortly. Seattle will acquire Bedard in exchange for Adam Jones, George Sherrill, Chris Tillman, Tony Butler and Kam Mickolio.
Source: FOXSports.com
Related: Adam Jones, George Sherrill, Mariners

About time

[sinewave]

that's good for both teams.

[Spidey-Bat]

Rosenthal believes the Braves are better than the Mets AND Phillies. As I've said before, he has good connection and is my guy when it comes to rumors. But his opinions are flat out dumb.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7773614/Forgotten-Braves-figure-in-thick-of-East-race?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49

BTW, he forgot Shortstop on his position breakdown.

[Dark Donnie]

Rosenthal believes the Braves are better than the Mets AND Phillies. As I've said before, he has good connection and is my guy when it comes to rumors. But his opinions are flat out dumb.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7773614/Forgotten-Braves-figure-in-thick-of-East-race?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49

BTW, he forgot Shortstop on his position breakdown.

haha, it would be a little stretch if he said The Braves were better then The Phillies but both teams is just mad.

Wow he has Tex over Howard, and Chipper over Wright

[Spidey-Bat]

I like Tex more than Howard. He has better plate discipline and is a switch hitter.

[Dark Donnie]

I'll take the HR's and RBI's from Howard

[Spidey-Bat]

RBI's don't tell how good an individual hitter is. Even with 47 HRs, Howard had a lower OPS+ than Teixeira.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I like Tex more than Howard. He has better plate discipline and is a switch hitter.

Doesn't Tex have injury concerns?

Edit: Both do actually.

[sinewave]

it didn't sound like favored the braves over the other teams, just that they should be able to compete with them. same with the position picks. he said tex and howard are "push" and that chipper had a higher OPS than wright, not necessarily that they're better.

[Spidey-Bat]

it didn't sound like favored the braves over the other teams, just that they should be able to compete with them. same with the position picks. he said tex and howard are "push" and that chipper had a higher OPS than wright, not necessarily that they're better.

"The NL East is far from a two-team race. The Braves, position by position, are superior to the Mets and comparable to the Phillies."

First sentence of the first paragraph.

[Dark Donnie]

Roger Clemens-S-Yankees Feb. 8 - 4:17 pm et

Brian McNamee told congressional investigators Thursday that he injected Roger Clemens' wife with human growth hormone.

According to McNamee, Debbie Clemens used HGH before appearing alongside Roger in Sports Illustrated's swimsuit issue in 2003.
Source: New York Daily News

:dry:

[Spidey-Bat]

So it was a family affair?

[sinewave]

"The NL East is far from a two-team race. The Braves, position by position, are superior to the Mets and comparable to the Phillies."

First sentence of the first paragraph.

sorry, i missed that. i skimmed the article and read the position sidebar. here's how i see them shaking out, position-by-position:

c - braves
1b - braves
2b - braves
ss - mets
3b - mets
lf - tie
cf - mets
rf - braves

looks like he was right about those comparisons. their rotations matchup pretty evenly, with a slight edge to the mets, depending on pedro's health and perez's consistency. mets get the edge at closer, but the braves might edge them out with the rest of the 'pen.

:dry:

yikes! is she a house, too?

[Dark Donnie]

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[Superman79]

^ That's not HGH!! I swear!! :rolleyes: