Official 2008 MLB thread

[Dark Donnie]

One more for good measure...btw has anyone seen Jose Lima, or Mark McGwire's wife? :eek:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/12398/432482257_99ae2caf91.jpg

[sinewave]

she's a little too ripped for a middle-aged mom.

[Erzengel]

Eh. Looks like this guy was looking to set up or at least cover his ass 8 years ago if he get vials and syringes though.

Anyways, none of this is admissible, in theory he could have used the syringed on Clemens and then put steroids in it. There's no way to prove that.

The court of public opinion is a different matter.

[Jerry!]

Which is exactly where Clemens has absolutely no chance no matter what happens. Most of the people have already made their minds up on the matter.

[Spidey-Bat]

Anyways, none of this is admissible, in theory he could have used the syringed on Clemens and then put steroids in it. There's no way to prove that.

Actually, there would be. He'd have to have used the syringes to inject Clemens with something. If he did take an old syringe and fill it with some steroids or HGH, there would also have to be some traces of lidocaine and B12 which Clemens claims he was injected with.

[fu manchu]

damn, i missed the fantasy baseball league.

[E. Nygma]

I dont know, i saw the SI swimsuit that year and to me it looked only like Debbie Clemens had HGH injected into her face.

[Erzengel]

Actually, there would be. He'd have to have used the syringes to inject Clemens with something. If he did take an old syringe and fill it with some steroids or HGH, there would also have to be some traces of lidocaine and B12 which Clemens claims he was injected with.
Even if he didn't, he still could claim, he didn't know what he was being injected with. All he has to do is deny. The only thing is the court of public opinion.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Its more they don't want to shell out the money. It was brought up on a radio station "If The Twins called and said will give you Santana for Wes Helms, they would still have rejected it because the Phillies wouldn't have paid him the amount other teams offered." Until we get our own TV station of something were screwed.

LOL good luck trying to start that up on Comcast's home turf. :D

the sad part is the ownership group has a TON of money, they're just misers with it. You see it now in how theyre treating Howard

[Spidey-Bat]

Even if he didn't, he still could claim, he didn't know what he was being injected with.

Then he looks incredibly stupid. More so than ever before.

[E. Nygma]

LOL good luck trying to start that up on Comcast's home turf. :D

the sad part is the ownership group has a TON of money, they're just misers with it. You see it now in how theyre treating Howard

Dave Montgomery called the Phillies in the late 90's a "small-market" team. It's hard to say they are cheap, because they have a high payroll, now up over 100 million. But they have at times been stingy towards players, and when they do spend money it is often very foolishly.

[Showtime]

One more for good measure...btw has anyone seen Jose Lima, or Mark McGwire's wife? :eek:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/12398/432482257_99ae2caf91.jpg

http://www.umpbump.com/press/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/melissa_lima2.jpg

http://mypickspal.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/stephmcgwire.jpg

[fu manchu]

I dont know, i saw the SI swimsuit that year and to me it looked only like Debbie Clemens had HGH injected into her face.

I wonder if Mrs. Clemens bent over to have McNamee injected it into her.






:cwink:

[Erzengel]

Then he looks incredibly stupid. More so than ever before.
Not saying he won't or that people would believe him. Just stating that he probably won't be facing any jail time or conviction.

[E. Nygma]

I wonder if Mrs. Clemens bent over to have McNamee injected it into her.






:cwink:

lol, i had been thinking that too. SHE GOT IT IN THE ASS

No but apparently he injected her in the stomach.

[Dark Donnie]

Which is exactly where Clemens has absolutely no chance no matter what happens. Most of the people have already made their minds up on the matter.

I just saw that he will not be asked to supply a DNA test unless a perjury charge is brought against him.

[sinewave]

:o

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/12398/dc_pink1.jpg

photos like this one aren't going to help him in the court of public opinion. a huge, ripped up alpha-male and his bleach-blonde, bimbo of a wife, nah, they'd never use steroids. why would anyone think that? :whatever:

[steintym]

I dont know, i saw the SI swimsuit that year and to me it looked only like Debbie Clemens had HGH injected into her face.

:woot: I thought the samething. That jaw line is a little creepy.

[Jerry!]

photos like this one aren't going to help him in the court of public opinion. a huge, ripped up alpha-male and his bleach-blonde, bimbo of a wife, nah, they'd never use steroids. why would anyone think that? :whatever:

Nothing is going to help him in that. Never. It's already over as far as public opinion is concerned. There are already too many people that hate him, it doesn't matter if Clemens proves his case and wins. To these people he's basically the pitching version of Barry Bonds. Dumb, yeah, but expected. Maybe if he had stayed a Red Sox it wouldn't be like that, but unfortunately for him that is just the way it goes.

[cyborg ninja 14]

So is Clemens's wife going to testify? Cause otherwise, this is kind of useless on McNamee's end, unless he actually claims to have physical evidence of injecting her as well.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Bimbo wife??

Doesn't that mean ****ty??? I think she's been with Clemens since College, actually.

It just sounds like a low blow.

And apparently, Clemens Lawyers are saying they have proof that McNamee lied about something in the report.

If true, this will bring things to Clemens favor, finally showing someone in this case to be lying of something.

And Debbie's the hottest there. Lima's wife, was edited out of a telecast and photos on MLB.com because of how big her breasts were.

Yes. That's right. Because she's busty, they edited her out...

And Jorge Posada's wife is a hottie too. AJ Burnett's wife rings a bell too.

I don't understand why'd Debbie Clemens would use HGH to begin with, though. Wouldn't that make muscle? Muscle's bad for chicks who are hot...aren't they?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

So is Clemens's wife going to testify? Cause otherwise, this is kind of useless on McNamee's end, unless he actually claims to have physical evidence of injecting her as well.


Which, even if it was true...probably hurt McNamee's case. It doesn't sound like anything but him dragging Clemens through the dirt, and it doesn't exactly add anything to the "roids are hurting baseball" thing either.

He's gotta have proof if he was willing to say it, I think. That's the only way I could see a sensible human being willing to say this.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

she's a little too ripped for a middle-aged mom.


hahahahaha.

How old is she, really?

I don't think Clemens was even middle-aged in '03.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Oh, and I think the controversy over Pedro at the cockfight is overblown.

Unfair, as well.

[Captain Planet!]

Jay Gibbons has a cute wife.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Funny too, cause that dude looks like he got run over by a truck.

[Nightmare]

Jose's Lima wife!!! Wowza

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I'm slightly angry too, that they'd edit her out.

I mean, she wasn't dressed scandlously either..but, they...feared her breasts, I guess.

[Captain Planet!]

Funny too, cause that dude looks like he got run over by a truck.
I've always said he looks like a demon gargoyle........ On steroids.

[Spidey-Bat]

Jose's Lima wife!!! Wowza

Jose Lima has herpes :down

[ChrisBaleBatman]

He...does...?

[Kingfish]

yep. he does alright.

[Dark Donnie]

Joe Blanton-S-Athletics Feb. 11 - 12:25 am et

According to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com, the Red Sox are among the teams interested in Joe Blanton.

The Dodgers and Reds have also been linked to Blanton, but the A's demands are said to be extremely high and a midseason deal might be more likely. The A's are also reportedly shopping Alan Embree, who could be of interest to contending teams as a situational left-hander.
Source: FOXSports.com
Related: Alan Embree, Red Sox

[The Incredible Hulk]

a panic move to cover for the loss of Schilling?

[cyborg ninja 14]

Perhaps not panicking, just filling the void.

[sinewave]

Joe Blanton-S-Athletics Feb. 11 - 12:25 am et

According to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com, the Red Sox are among the teams interested in Joe Blanton.

The Dodgers and Reds have also been linked to Blanton, but the A's demands are said to be extremely high and a midseason deal might be more likely. The A's are also reportedly shopping Alan Embree, who could be of interest to contending teams as a situational left-hander.
Source: FOXSports.com
Related: Alan Embree, Red Sox

a panic move to cover for the loss of Schilling?

they still have good depth, even without schilling. i hope they don't panic and trade some good players for an overrated pitcher.

[cyborg ninja 14]

they still have good depth, even without schilling. i hope they don't panic and trade some good players for an overrated pitcher.

Sox rotation (minus Schilling)

1. Beckett
2. Dice-K
3. Wakefield
4. Buchholz
5. Lester

Perhaps insurance in case something happens to Buchholz or something. Mabye move Lester to the pen if they do trade for Blanton?

[Dark Donnie]

Boston Herald reported they've known about this injury for a while and even offered Schilling a pro-rated deal like Clemens to join the team later in the season, but Schilling preached he was ok.

[sinewave]

Sox rotation (minus Schilling)

1. Beckett
2. Dice-K
3. Wakefield
4. Buchholz
5. Lester

Perhaps insurance in case something happens to Buchholz or something. Mabye move Lester to the pen if they do trade for Blanton?

could be, but i know beane is going to be asking for the moon in return for blanton. they'd be better off with someone like lohse if they're just looking for insurance for the kids.

Boston Herald reported they've known about this injury for a while and even offered Schilling a pro-rated deal like Clemens to join the team later in the season, but Schilling preached he was ok.

what a jackass.

[Dark Donnie]

could be, but i know beane is going to be asking for the moon in return for blanton. they'd be better off with someone like lohse if they're just looking for insurance for the kids.



what a jackass.

How can the Red Sox know, but Schilling be unaware :huh:

Curt Schilling-S-Red Sox Feb. 11 - 3:26 pm et

According to the Boston Globe, the Red Sox were aware that Curt Schilling's shoulder injury could sideline him for a significant length of time prior to signing him to a one-year, $8 million contract.

Schilling has said that he wasn't aware of the injury prior to signing the deal, but the newspaper reports that the Red Sox tried to get Schilling to sign a half-season contract like the one that Roger Clemens played under with the Yankees last year. Instead, Schilling's status for this season is in serious doubt and the Red Sox are on the hook for the entire $8 million, as the contract isn't insured.
Source: Boston Globe

[sinewave]

How can the Red Sox know, but Schilling be unaware :huh:

sounds like the sox might have a decent case if they decide to try voiding his contract. it could get pretty ugly, though.

[cyborg ninja 14]

How can the Red Sox know, but Schilling be unaware :huh:

The second biggest conflict of stories other than Clemens/McNamee:wow:

[steintym]

Sox rotation (minus Schilling)

1. Beckett
2. Dice-K
3. Wakefield
4. Buchholz
5. Lester

Perhaps insurance in case something happens to Buchholz or something. Mabye move Lester to the pen if they do trade for Blanton?

Still a top pitching staff, no need to panic. Must be to add depth and protection.

[Spidey-Bat]

Pettitte, Knoblauch, and Radomski won't testify Wednesday. Only Clemens and McNamee will.

[Captain Planet!]

02/11/2008 4:55 PM ET
Trachsel returns with Minor League deal
O's invite righty to Spring Training to compete for rotation spot
By Spencer Fordin / MLB.com

BALTIMORE -- The Orioles welcomed Steve Trachsel back into the fold with a Minor League contract Monday, marking the second straight season that the veteran has signed with Baltimore shortly before Spring Training. Trachsel signed on to replace the injured Kris Benson last spring and will compete for a vacant back-end rotation slot this year.

The Orioles created an extra hole in the rotation with last week's trade of staff ace Erik Bedard, and team executives acknowledged immediately that they'd like to sign a veteran to take stress off the remaining youngsters. Trachsel, who has a 141-154 career record, has made 25 or more starts in each of the last 12 seasons.

Trachsel, a 15-year veteran, has played for five different big league teams. He made 25 starts for the Orioles last season, helping stabilize the staff after an early injury to Adam Loewen. Trachsel allowed three earned runs or less 17 times for Baltimore and netted Scott Moore and Rocky Cherry when he was traded to the Cubs on Aug. 31, 2007.
The Orioles currently have three rotation spots marked for incumbents -- Loewen, Jeremy Guthrie and Daniel Cabrera -- and two that appear to be open. Trachsel, 37, will compete with a group of prospects headlined by southpaws Troy Patton and Garrett Olson and featuring right-handers Hayden Penn and Matt Albers.
Baltimore's three returning starters have a combined career record of 55-60, and the Orioles don't want to flank them with a pair of even less experienced arms. Enter Trachsel, who went 6-8 with a 4.48 ERA for Baltimore last season. Trachsel will be the 18th non-roster invitee at Spring Training, which opens in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., later in the week.
He was okay last year, now at least the O's have a veteran starter.

[Spidey-Bat]

Why did the Cubs even trade for him last year?

[Nightmare]

Cubs always aquire guys who suck or choke.

[Dark Donnie]

Report: Yanks set to put Joba in pen

Team officials told the New York Post that the Yankees want to limit Joba Chamberlain to about 140 innings and will start him off in the pen as a result.

140 seems an awfully small number, but it's more realistic considering that they'd love to have him pitch an extra 30 or so during October. If they really want to keep him down that far, then he'd have to spend at least two full months in a setup role. Still, the Post believes the Yanks would still go with Chamberlain in the rotation initially if someone gets hurt during spring training. As is, Ian Kennedy would be the fifth starter. Feb. 12 - 8:34 am et
Source: New York Post

[Dark Donnie]

Livan Hernandez-S-Diamondbacks Feb. 12 - 10:11 am et

Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com reports that the Twins have signed SP Livan Hernandez to a one-year deal worth $5-$7 million.

Hernandez will turn 33 during the first week of camp, and he's only survived this long thanks to his craftiness, but he's a proven innings eater. He's also the only projected Twins starter over the age of 26. He gave up 34 home runs in Arizona last year, the second-highest total in the NL, but playing at the Metrodome should help him keep that number in check. He's still not an attractive fantasy option.
Source: FoxSports.com

:csad:

[Superman79]

Report: Yanks set to put Joba in pen

Team officials told the New York Post that the Yankees want to limit Joba Chamberlain to about 140 innings and will start him off in the pen as a result.

140 seems an awfully small number, but it's more realistic considering that they'd love to have him pitch an extra 30 or so during October. If they really want to keep him down that far, then he'd have to spend at least two full months in a setup role. Still, the Post believes the Yanks would still go with Chamberlain in the rotation initially if someone gets hurt during spring training. As is, Ian Kennedy would be the fifth starter. Feb. 12 - 8:34 am et
Source: New York Post

That is a smart move on their part...Joba would have irreversible meltdown after getting shelled as a starter...at least now they might get their money's worth for a little while before the idiotic man-child implodes...

[Spidey-Bat]

I hope he does suffer from PAPS (Post-Albert Pujols Syndrome).

[sinewave]

I hope he does suffer from PAPS (Post-Albert Pujols Syndrome).

or post-midge swarm syndrome.

[Dark Donnie]

Andy Pettitte-S-Yankees Feb. 12 - 10:35 am et

Newsday.com reports that an affidavit given by Andy Pettitte generally supports Brian McNamee's claims against Roger Clemens.

While the details in their affidavits are different, both Pettitte and McNamee are thought to have given the House Oversight Committee similar stories that indicate Clemens injected illegal substances. Clemens has filed a separate affidavit that says both Pettite and McName are mistaken. He claims that Pettitte is wrong in thinking that when they discussed medications he was referring to HGH or steroids. All of their affidavits will become public at a public hearing tomorrow.
Source: Newsday
Related: Roger Clemens

[sinewave]

Andy Pettitte-S-Yankees Feb. 12 - 10:35 am et

Newsday.com reports that an affidavit given by Andy Pettitte generally supports Brian McNamee's claims against Roger Clemens.

While the details in their affidavits are different, both Pettitte and McNamee are thought to have given the House Oversight Committee similar stories that indicate Clemens injected illegal substances. Clemens has filed a separate affidavit that says both Pettite and McName are mistaken. He claims that Pettitte is wrong in thinking that when they discussed medications he was referring to HGH or steroids. All of their affidavits will become public at a public hearing tomorrow.
Source: Newsday
Related: Roger Clemens

this'll get nasty i bet.

[Fran]

Good for Pettitte, seems like he's actually telling the truth and not wanting to side with his teammate. :up:

[cyborg ninja 14]

Quote:
Livan Hernandez-S-Diamondbacks Feb. 12 - 10:11 am et

Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com reports that the Twins have signed SP Livan Hernandez to a one-year deal worth $5-$7 million.

Hernandez will turn 33 during the first week of camp, and he's only survived this long thanks to his craftiness, but he's a proven innings eater. He's also the only projected Twins starter over the age of 26. He gave up 34 home runs in Arizona last year, the second-highest total in the NL, but playing at the Metrodome should help him keep that number in check. He's still not an attractive fantasy option.
Source: FoxSports.com

The Twins know how to fill the Johan void, that's for damn sure.

[Superman79]

or post-midge swarm syndrome.
I hope he does suffer from PAPS (Post-Albert Pujols Syndrome).


I prefer to call it simply:

Joba is a complete moron who is not that great a pitcher once he's been rocked at least once and people just don't realize it yet syndrome

[Fran]

Quote:
Livan Hernandez-S-Diamondbacks Feb. 12 - 10:11 am et

Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com reports that the Twins have signed SP Livan Hernandez to a one-year deal worth $5-$7 million.

Hernandez will turn 33 during the first week of camp, and he's only survived this long thanks to his craftiness, but he's a proven innings eater. He's also the only projected Twins starter over the age of 26. He gave up 34 home runs in Arizona last year, the second-highest total in the NL, but playing at the Metrodome should help him keep that number in check. He's still not an attractive fantasy option.
Source: FoxSports.com

The Twins know how to fill the Johan void, that's for damn sure.

Well, give them the Central. :o

[cyborg ninja 14]

Andy Pettitte-S-Yankees Feb. 12 - 10:35 am et

Newsday.com reports that an affidavit given by Andy Pettitte generally supports Brian McNamee's claims against Roger Clemens.

While the details in their affidavits are different, both Pettitte and McNamee are thought to have given the House Oversight Committee similar stories that indicate Clemens injected illegal substances. Clemens has filed a separate affidavit that says both Pettite and McName are mistaken. He claims that Pettitte is wrong in thinking that when they discussed medications he was referring to HGH or steroids. All of their affidavits will become public at a public hearing tomorrow.
Source: Newsday
Related: Roger Clemens

This gets even better :ikyn

[sinewave]

I prefer to call it simply:

Joba is a complete moron who is not that great a pitcher once he's been rocked at least once and people just don't realize it yet syndrome

it's catchy. :dry:

[Dark Donnie]

I read that Pettitte was given a dismissal from testimony because he indicated he woul be pleading the 5th.

[sinewave]

I read that Pettitte was given a dismissal from testimony because he indicated he woul be pleading the 5th.

i heard it was because he was so bad on the stand the last time they called him in to testify that they didn't want him to come back. apparently he contradicted himself several times.

[kane9321]

Pettitte backed McNamee's story

[Jerry!]

Report: Yanks set to put Joba in pen

Team officials told the New York Post that the Yankees want to limit Joba Chamberlain to about 140 innings and will start him off in the pen as a result.

140 seems an awfully small number, but it's more realistic considering that they'd love to have him pitch an extra 30 or so during October. If they really want to keep him down that far, then he'd have to spend at least two full months in a setup role. Still, the Post believes the Yanks would still go with Chamberlain in the rotation initially if someone gets hurt during spring training. As is, Ian Kennedy would be the fifth starter. Feb. 12 - 8:34 am et
Source: New York Post

Best move they've made.

[Raiden]

Best move they've made.

I agree; Yanks need a heir apparent for Rivera, and he's their best candidate.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, Clemens is dead in the water, I think.

Although, legally...he's all right. But, otherwise...yeah, he's dead in the water.

I'm surprised, actually. I thought at worse, Andy would have pleaded the 5th on it.

In the end, really...it just looks like Clemens didn't have any friends.

It'll be interesting to see how he gets railroaded tomorrow. And kinda sad, for me, too.

Joba won't be in the pen the whole year, it seems. Supposedly, they want to build up more arms in the pen before taking Joba out. I guess they could also build up his innings pitched if they want to, also.

Joba's good...but Rivera's a tough one, if at all, possible to replace. I really think the Yankees want him as a starter, and if that doesn't pan out...then for sure he's going to be groomed for the role.

[Dark Donnie]

...

Gary Sheffield-DH-Tigers Feb. 13 - 10:07 am et

Gary Sheffield said he is swinging the bat "pain-free" while recovering from surgery to repair a torn labrum.

Sheffield's recovery seems to be going without a hitch. He also said that he's throwing the ball well, meaning that by Opening Day he could be available for outfield duty when not serving as the DH.
Source: Detroit Free Press


Joel Zumaya-R-Tigers Feb. 13 - 9:58 am et

Joel Zumaya said that while he's still aiming for a July return from reconstructive surgery, "it could be sooner."

In January, Zumaya briefly got our hopes up by saying he expected to start throwing over a month ahead of schedule, but he's nearing the original early March target date and still hasn't started tossing. He might be ahead of his targeted July return, but not significantly.
Source: Detroit News

[Showtime]

I am getting the baseball package again, mainly to watch the Tigers!

[rdh007]

If the Tigers don't win the pennant, it's a disappointment.

[Showtime]

I would say so.

In regards to the Yankees, what the heck are they doing with Chamberlain? He's starting the season as a set up man, then they are sending him down in June to stretch his arm out and come back as a starter?

[Dark Donnie]

Kris Benson-S-Orioles Feb. 13 - 11:00 am et

Phillies assistant GM Ruben Amaro Jr. said the team expects a "resolution" with Kris Benson within 24-48 hours.

Benson and the Phillies have been thought to be hashing out a deal for about a week now, but his agent claims there has been significant progress made in the last 24 hours. The two sides were expected to continue talks on Wednesday morning.
Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News
Related: Phillies

World Seres here we come :dry:

[StorminNorman]

Good for Pettitte, seems like he's actually telling the truth and not wanting to side with his teammate. :up:

He is selling out a friend with questionable testimony :down

[Showtime]

World Seres here we come :dry:

Kris Benson would be a "6th Starter" on the Red Sox.

[Dark Donnie]

Considering Roger gave sworn testimony that he didn't do HGH, and McNamee did one will be having a perjury trial. I believe Roger until he's actually proven guilty, McNamee seems like a real creppy guy.

[Dark Donnie]

Kris Benson would be a "6th Starter" on the Red Sox.

Hence the :dry: he is atrocious. I would have taken Livan over him in a heartbeat, it will probably be a contract not far off from his.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Appears Andy lied, as well.

I honestly don't know who to believe anymore in this thing. Everyone seems questionable, at this point.

[Spidey-Bat]

How'd Pettitte lie?

Kris Benson would be a "6th Starter" on the Red Sox.

Pawtucket Red Sox.

[Kingfish]

http://news.bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1073143&format=text

looks like someone has had a little too much beef and beer lately...

[ChrisBaleBatman]

About his useage.

Remember, he said he'd used for only 2 days of his entire life. He said that on camera, and I believed him. We all did.

Now, he backtracked and supposedly admitted using all of the 2004 season and I think more as well.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Wow, that's a beer belly.

I assume he'll work that belly off during Spring Training.

Atleast, Red Sox Nation hopes so.

[Dark Donnie]

How'd Pettitte lie?



Pawtucket Red Sox.
:dry: Didn't you guys trade for him?

http://news.bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1073143&format=text

looks like someone has had a little too much beef and beer lately...

Ewww

[Jerry!]

Hopefully we can throw out the assumption that we can trust Pettite because he is a "god fearing, honest" man who never swears. He is a human being like everyone else.

[Superman79]

Wow, that's a beer belly.

I assume he'll work that belly off during Spring Training.

Atleast, Red Sox Nation hopes so.

Meh, he'll be fine...he was just bulking up muscle-wise. No matter haow you try if you pack on big amounts of muscle like he is said to have, then you're gonna get some fat too. It'll go away...

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah.

I was holding his words high up there, until now really. If He hadn't lied, I'd take what he said about Rocket more to heart.

[Dark Donnie]

Hopefully we can throw out the assumption that we can trust Pettite because he is a "god fearing, honest" man who never swears. He is a human being like everyone else.

Yeah Petitte is a liar plain and simple

[Spidey-Bat]

:dry: Didn't you guys trade for him?
Yes, and then he was traded for John Maine and Jorge Julio. Julio was traded for El Duque in May. So we got John Maine and El Duque for Benson.

About his useage.

Remember, he said he'd used for only 2 days of his entire life. He said that on camera, and I believed him. We all did.

Now, he backtracked and supposedly admitted using all of the 2004 season and I think more as well.
He still admitted to using them and how often he said it is not a significant issue.

[Dark Donnie]

Yes, and then he was traded for John Maine and Jorge Julio. Julio was traded for El Duque in May. So we got John Maine and El Duque for Benson.
I guess you can use that logic.


He still admitted to using them and how often he said it is not a significant issue.



:huh: he stated he used it once then changed his story to an entire season, its a lie nonetheless

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think it is.

Especially for the image they're painting of him. As a religious, God fearing man (which I'm not denying)...but he tainted himself by lying. He tried to diminish his usage, which actually did make everyone take it easy on him.

What bothers me the most about that lie, is that he said to the camera and got some sympathy. He proved to me that he can lie.

For whatever reasons he did it, but he did it.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Did they just say on ESPN through the US Representative Mark E. Souder say that McNamee admitted that the gauge pads and syringes COULD be B12 shots. Anyone see that, to confirm it?

[Fran]

I didn't see it, man... if he did, well... bye bye.

[Dark Donnie]

Then McNamee is done

[Spidey-Bat]

I guess you can use that logic.
What are you trying to get at? That the Mets were dumb for getting Benson? Not gonna deny it. Jim Duquette made the trade and it was several years ago. Minaya dumped Benson for Maine and Julio and later traded Julio for El Duque.

:huh: he stated he used it once then changed his story to an entire season, its a lie nonetheless
There's different degrees of lies. With the exception of that, he's not lied on anything else and supported McNamee over his dear friend Clemens.


I haven't had a chance to listen to it, probably never will watch all of it, just some coverage tonight. What I have heard supports McNamee. One thing I've heard is the GOP representatives were a disgrace and adamantly defending Clemens (not surprised since he's probably a GOP backer). I've heard some of Roidger and he failed to produce one coherent thought and tried so hard to not answer the question and go off on a tangent. I also like how he threw his wife under the bus. ****ing pussy.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Word of the day: Misremember

[Dark Donnie]

There's different degrees of lies. With the exception of that, he's not lied on anything else and supported McNamee over his dear friend Clemens.


I haven't had a chance to listen to it, probably never will watch all of it, just some coverage tonight. What I have heard supports McNamee. One thing I've heard is the GOP representatives were a disgrace and adamantly defending Clemens (not surprised since he's probably a GOP backer). I've heard some of Roidger and he failed to produce one coherent thought and tried so hard to not answer the question and go off on a tangent. I also like how he threw his wife under the bus. ****ing pussy.

With the exception of that? That's pretty huge no?

watch then you'll see it was on both sides. The Democrats defended McNamee just the same.

Congress stated that they believe McNamee lied today.

[Spidey-Bat]

watch then you'll see it was on both sides. The Democrats defended McNamee just the same. Congress stated that they believe McNamee lied today.

From what I heard, the Republicans defended Clemens more than the Democrats defended McNamee. When did they say they think he lied today?

[Dark Donnie]

From what I heard, the Republicans defended Clemens more than the Democrats defended McNamee. When did they say they think he lied today?
Well listed to the whole thing


I was listening to it in the car, the congressman stated all the events that McNamee had been untruthful. He stated he lied to the police about a rape case, lied to investigators back in whatever year they first talked to him, and that they had lied today.

[Jerry!]

How did Clemens throw his wife under the bus? Didn't see the whole thing.

[Dark Donnie]

How did Clemens throw his wife under the bus?

:huh: haha I know he read a statement from her

[Jerry!]

Ok, how did he throw her under the bus? I honestly just missed that part of it I guess, I didn't watch the entire hearing.

[Jerry!]

double post

[cyborg ninja 14]

Best exchange of the day was between Rep. Cummings and Clemens.

[Dark Donnie]

Ok, how did he throw her under the bus? I honestly just missed that part of it I guess, I didn't watch the entire hearing.

oh, he didn't I have no clue what spidey is talking about...this is what happened.

Roger read a statement from Debbie Clemens.

She said that there had been an article about HGH being used as a natural and healthy form of use. And that Brian McNamee, being a doctor, had told Debbie Clemens about that and had offered to inject her with a test shot of HGH, and she did. She supposedly then had health problems for quite a while because of it and hadn't told Roger.

[Spidey-Bat]

Ok, how did he throw her under the bus? I honestly just missed that part of it I guess, I didn't watch the entire hearing.
He was basically saying "She's the one who did HGH, not me". He should have left her out of it all together like he did with himself.

I was listening to it in the car, the congressman stated all the events that McNamee had been untruthful. He stated he lied to the police about a rape case, lied to investigators back in whatever year they first talked to him, and that they had lied today.
The rape case is irrelevant and bringing it up is a cheap, personal attack. How did he say he lied when he first talked to him? If he eventually told the truth, it doesn't have much weight. How did he lie today? Does this congressman elaborate or did he just make these claims?

[Dark Donnie]

The rape case is irrelevant and bringing it up is a cheap, personal attack. How did he say he lied when he first talked to him? If he eventually told the truth, it doesn't have much weight. How did he lie today? Does this congressman elaborate or did he just make these claims?
Just lie McNamee bringing up Clemens wife, irrelevant. If McNamee raped someone then lied to officers about it, I think that has some bearing on his character.

If McNamee lied in the past, and they now have evidence against him its a little bit different then the way you portray it. As for the lies told today, Congress certainly wouldn't state what his false statements were.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Think it's possible that both Clemens AND McNamee were lying at some point? They both had their moments of questionable credibility.

[Dark Donnie]

Think it's possible that both Clemens AND McNamee were lying at some point? They both had their moments of questionable credibility.

Certianly, according to ChrisBaleBatman the US Rep. stated that McNamee indidcated the gauze and syringe might have B12 on it, like two hours after stating he never injected Roger with it. Thats one lie right there.

[Spidey-Bat]

Just lie McNamee bringing up Clemens wife, irrelevant. If McNamee raped someone then lied to officers about it, I think that has some bearing on his character.
This isn't about his character. Clemens is no saint either.

If McNamee lied in the past, and they now have evidence against him its a little bit different then the way you portray it.
If the evidence is before he eventually told the truth, doesn't seem like they can do anything about it.

As for the lies told today, Congress certainly wouldn't state what his false statements were.
Then it's pretty pointless until we know what they are.

Certianly, according to ChrisBaleBatman the US Rep. stated that McNamee indidcated the gauze and syringe might have B12 on it, like two hours after stating he never injected Roger with it. Thats one lie right there.

When did CBB become an expert on this?

[Spidey-Bat]

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080213&content_id=2371923&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb&partnered=rss_mlb

Phillies signed Benson to a minor league deal. Without a doubt this tops the Mets getting Santana.

[Dark Donnie]

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080213&content_id=2371923&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb&partnered=rss_mlb

Phillies signed Benson to a minor league deal. Without a doubt this tops the Mets getting Santana.
Your so bitter, I hope you guys fall to third in the East

[Dark Donnie]

This isn't about his character. Clemens is no saint either.

Never said he was just don't paint some picture that McNamme is credible when he is surely not.


If the evidence is before he eventually told the truth, doesn't seem like they can do anything about it.

Like I stated it just shows the type of character this guy has if he's lied on numerous occasions about serious crimes.

Then it's pretty pointless until we know what they are.

There building a case for a perjury charge, he had to have lied, which im sure Clemens did as well

When did CBB become an expert on this?

He never stated he was, he said ESPN reported it.

[Spidey-Bat]

I hope you guys fall to third in the East

Nice to see the inferiority complex is kicking back in.

[Dark Donnie]

Edit :)

[Immortalfire]

http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/possibilities.jpg

[Dark Donnie]

http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/possibilities.jpg

:up:

[Spidey-Bat]

Never said he was just don't paint some picture that McNamme is credible when he is surely not.

Like I stated it just shows the type of character this guy has if he's lied on numerous occasions about serious crimes.

There building a case for a perjury charge, he had to have lied, which im sure Clemens did as well

I believe you're referring to what Rep. Dan Burton was saying to McNamee. The "evidence" he has of McNamee lying is to Sports Illustrated and Daily News which is irrelevant and cannot be used as evidence in a perjury case.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Throw them both in jail, have them share a cell even.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Ha, ESPN and their polls:woot:

9) What was the biggest revelation from Wednesday's hearing?

McNamee claiming he injected Mike Stanton with HGH

Andy Pettitte's deposition being revealed in which he states Clemens told him he used HGH

Rep. Waxman saying he wanted to cancel the hearing but Clemens' attorneys talked him out of it

McNamee claiming Roger Clemens at times bled from his buttocks and began to carry band-aids

The Mike Stanton news? Hella shocking

[cyborg ninja 14]

Gentlemen, we have depositions avaliable.

[Dark Donnie]

I believe you're referring to what Rep. Dan Burton was saying to McNamee. The "evidence" he has of McNamee lying is to Sports Illustrated and Daily News which is irrelevant and cannot be used as evidence in a perjury case.

I nor you know what the Congressman was refering to. McNamee was obviously lying about things today as was Clemens.

McNamee with all his bloody gauze and syringes can't be used as well.

[Fran]

Clemens bled from his ass? :woot: LOL

[Spidey-Bat]

I nor you know what the Congressman was refering to. McNamee was obviously lying about things today as was Clemens.

McNamee with all his bloody gauze and syringes can't be used as well.

Even without the physical evidence which the hearing conveniently disregards, McNamee appears more credible just because the testimony from Pettitte and Knoblauch supports him. The Reps who were attacking McNamee weren't even paying attention. The "evidence" of McNamee lying was from newspaper articles and the instance with the nanny and Canseco party was confirmed by Waxman early on in the meeting. Then there was that idiot who called McNamee a "drug dealer". Going by his "logic" a doctor or pharmacist is a drug dealer. Even Waxman made a comment after that moron that the players involved were dealing in drugs as well. They also fail to realize these are grown men who know what they are receiving.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Game of Shadows 2: Nothing butt the truth

[cyborg ninja 14]

Even without the physical evidence which the hearing conveniently disregards, McNamee appears more credible just because the testimony from Pettitte and Knoblauch supports him. The Reps who were attacking McNamee weren't even paying attention. The "evidence" of McNamee lying was from newspaper articles and the instance with the nanny and Canseco party was confirmed by Waxman early on in the meeting. Then there was that idiot who called McNamee a "drug dealer". Going by his "logic" a doctor or pharmacist is a drug dealer. Even Waxman made a comment after that moron that the players involved were dealing in drugs as well. They also fail to realize these are grown men who know what they are receiving.

There was also the random ass kissing of Clemens

"A colleague of mine, Mr. Capuano of Massachusetts, wants to know what uniform you're going to wear to the Hall of Fame."

"Mr. Clemens," she concluded. "All I can say is, I'm sure you're going to heaven."

Wha:huh:

[Jerry!]

That heaven comment was basically sarcasm.

[Captain Planet!]

http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/possibilities.jpg
:hehe:

[Dark Donnie]

Back to baseball....who has the Top 5 Rotations in baseball?

[Captain Planet!]

Back to baseball....who has the Top 5 Rotations in baseball?
The Kansas City Royals
Pittsburgh Pirates
Florida Marlins
Cincinatti Reds
Houston Astros

:up:

[Fran]

lol
but seriously

[Dark Donnie]

The Kansas City Royals
Pittsburgh Pirates
Florida Marlins
Cincinatti Reds
Houston Astros

:up:

:down:

Mine:
Angels
Diamondbacks
Tigers
Red Sox
Mets

Maybe switch The Sox and Mets

Suprise will be Tampa.......

[Excel]

Red Sox easily...prediction time

1. Beckett- 22-5 3.1 era
2. Dice K - 21-4 2.45 era 275 k....this is his season!
3. Wake - 18-16 4.00 era
4. Buchholz - 17-4 3.35 era
5. Lester 16-8 3.8 era

[Dark Donnie]

Red Sox easily...prediction time

1. Beckett- 22-5 3.1 era
2. Dice K - 21-4 2.45 era 275 k....this is his season!
3. Wake - 18-16 4.00 era
4. Buchholz - 17-4 3.35 era
5. Lester 16-8 3.8 era

I love your homerism.....I love everyone being dominant then Wakefield at 18-16 :up:

[Fran]

The Tigers will challenge the Sox for the AL's best record, no doubt.

:not being a homer:

[Excel]

I love your homerism.....I love everyone being dominant then Wakefield at 18-16 :up:

Hes either on or off no in between :up:

[Dark Donnie]

The Tigers will challenge the Sox for the AL's best record, no doubt.

:not being a homer:
I think there's no doubt they'll be either the top or real close to the top team in the AL next year.
Hes either on or off no in between :up:
I think those two young guys might struggle

[Jerry!]

Red Sox easily...prediction time

1. Beckett- 22-5 3.1 era
2. Dice K - 21-4 2.45 era 275 k....this is his season!
3. Wake - 18-16 4.00 era
4. Buchholz - 17-4 3.35 era
5. Lester 16-8 3.8 era

YOU GONE!! Mercy!

[Excel]

I think there's no doubt they'll be either the top or real close to the top team in the AL next year.

I think those two young guys might struggle

This is Lesters 3rd year, and Buchholz's stuff is just DIRTY! As a 4 or 5th starter, itll just be unfair. Elsbury starting full time, Manny in contract year, Papi fully healthy...man just like the Pats next season, this years Sox team may be even better than last years :up:

[Dark Donnie]

It might be his third year, but hes only played in 27 games, and pitched 144 innnings, not likes he's seasoned. I know he had cancer....

[NewYorkSpider]

Red Sox easily...prediction time

1. Beckett- 22-5 3.1 era
2. Dice K - 21-4 2.45 era 275 k....this is his season!
3. Wake - 18-16 4.00 era
4. Buchholz - 17-4 3.35 era
5. Lester 16-8 3.8 era

All 5 pitchers winning 15+ games? That's not going to happen.

[Fran]

Excel, you're messed up... the rotation will win 94 games by themselves? :dry:

[Spidey-Bat]

:down:

Mine:
Angels
Diamondbacks
Tigers
Red Sox
Mets

Maybe switch The Sox and Mets

Suprise will be Tampa.......

Tigers rotation isn't that good.

[Excel]

Excel, you're messed up... the rotation will win 94 games by themselves? :dry:

Your right, ill fix it.

1. Beckett- 20-5 3.1 era
2. Dice K - 21-4 2.45 era 275 k....this is his season!
3. Wake - 16-15 4.00 era
4. Buchholz - 16-6 3.35 era
5. Lester 14-7 3.8 era

Thats 87-37 for a team that if its healthy will win 105 or so. Dont say I aint never told you; told yall bout Pats 16-0 and Moss's impending domiance and how Maroneyd do if he got the ball and how Ronnie Brown would do with LT's cordinator, told Santonio own but nobody listen...listen up.

Top fantasy players
1. A-Rod
2. Big Papi
3. Manny Ramirez
4. Albert Pujols
5. Ryan Howard
6. Maglio Ordonez
7. Vladimir Guerrerro
8. Carlos Pena
9. Matt Holiday
10. Prince Fielder

Break outs....hmm....they arent coming to me.

[Captain Planet!]

Red Sox easily...prediction time

1. Beckett- 19-7 3.02 era
2. Dice K - 17-6 3.06 era 220 k....this is his season!
3. Wake - 12-16 4.00 era
4. Buchholz - 10-8 3.42 era
5. Lester 11-9 3.34 era
Fixed.

[Excel]

Barring injury, Buchholz will win atleast 15 a year. His stuff is niceee.

[Jerry!]

Capt. Planet - Personally I'd put Wakefield, Dice-K Lester and Bucholz ERA higher if you want to keep those win totals what they are. If the Red Sox have the same kind of offense they had last year, which they will, there is no way Wakefield ends up losing 16 games and Lester and Buchholz only win 10-11 with those ERAs.

[Excel]

Red Sox offense will be better this season. Only one who will go down in production is Lowell.

If yall remember, Dice-K's problem last yearwas big innings. He'd cruise through 4 or 5 and then give up 5-6 runnings in one inning and when they never came, he was filthy. This season will be a lot more like the good games he had last season compared to his bad ones. Same way Beckett was "ehhh" in his first season with us but turned it on last year, thats how Dice-k will preform this season. Big old improvement.

[Kingfish]

Barring injury, Buchholz will win atleast 15 a year. His stuff is niceee.

the guys only thrown 22 innings in the big leagues. its way too early to make those kinds of claims. especially now that other teams know about him and will be expecting him. he'll be good, but in his first full year i'd expect about 10 wins.

[Captain Planet!]

Barring injury, Buchholz will win atleast 15 a year. His stuff is niceee.
He only had that no hitter because the Orioles suck.
Capt. Planet - Personally I'd put Wakefield, Dice-K Lester and Bucholz ERA higher if you want to keep those win totals what they are. If the Red Sox have the same kind of offense they had last year, which they will, there is no way Wakefield ends up losing 16 games and Lester and Buchholz only win 10-11 with those ERAs.
Honestly, I just put random numbers in there.

[Kingfish]

Honestly, I just put random numbers in there.

and yet they were monsterously more realistic...

[Fran]

Don't forget about Miguel Cabrera, Excel.

[Excel]

Psh. Those numbers are very realistic :o

Don't forget about Miguel Cabrera, Excel.

Hell be good, but not top 10. Hes switching to tougher league. Ordonez is the real talent in Detroit.

[Fran]

He's in a padded lineup; he'll still put up big numbers.

[NewYorkSpider]

Hell be good, but not top 10. Hes switching to tougher league. Ordonez is the real talent in Detroit.

He's also in a divison where the pitching isn't that great. He should do about the same.

[Dark Donnie]

Tigers rotation isn't that good.

They'll be nasty this year, there's always The Padres as well.

[Jerry!]

I'd take Cabrera over Maggs in either league. That was a career year for him. Not saying he isn't any good, he just isn't THAT good.

[Excel]

He's also in a divison where the pitching isn't that great. He should do about the same.

Carmona? Sabathia? Javy Vasquez is pretty good.

[NewYorkSpider]

Carmona? Sabathia? Javy Vasquez is pretty good.

The divison is without Santana as well. Atlanta and New York had some good pitchers in the NL East as well. Not saying Cabrera is going to do better than he did in Florida, just around the same.

[Spidey-Bat]

Hell be good, but not top 10. Hes switching to tougher league. Ordonez is the real talent in Detroit.

Cabrera will be top 10. Carols Pena won't, he'll likely regress.

They'll be nasty this year, there's always The Padres as well.

I disagree. Verlander is great but Bonderman has injury problems, Robertson is a good back rotation guy. Rogers is uncertain. Willis makes or breaks their rotation. If he can improve, they're definitely up there. If he keeps declining, then they won't.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Red Sox easily...prediction time

1. Beckett- 22-5 3.1 era
2. Dice K - 21-4 2.45 era 275 k....this is his season!
3. Wake - 18-16 4.00 era
4. Buchholz - 17-4 3.35 era
5. Lester 16-8 3.8 era

:dry:

[Jerry!]

I don't think he was being serious. But then again, he says Reggie Bush will be one of the top running backs in the NFL and he is definitely serious about that.

[Excel]

Its all about seeing the potential.

Serious bout Bush and those records, not serious bout those era's. Lester will be mid 4's as will wakes; but the offense will get them all a lot of wins.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I don't think he was being serious. But then again, he says Reggie Bush will be one of the top running backs in the NFL and he is definitely serious about that.

After reading the subsequent posts, I figured as such. I watched Bush at USC, he can outrun everyone, but not through everyone. Interesting to see how his deposition turns out with his Heisman potentially at risk.

Back to baseball, my top 5 rotations (in no particular order)

1. D-Backs
2. Angels
3. Red Sox
4. Mets
5. Padres
Wild card: The Mariners

[NewYorkSpider]

Top 5 Roatations.

1. San Diego
2. Arizona
3. Boston
4. Cleveland
5. New York Mets

[Poeman]

Phil Hughes for Cy Young

:No Homer:

[Dark Donnie]

After reading the subsequent posts, I figured as such. I watched Bush at USC, he can outrun everyone, but not through everyone. Interesting to see how his deposition turns out with his Heisman potentially at risk.

Back to baseball, my top 5 rotations (in no particular order)

1. D-Backs
2. Angels
3. Red Sox
4. Mets
5. Padres
Wild card: The Mariners

Mariners could have the best 1-2 punch if Felix can stay healthy

[Dark Donnie]

...
Sabathia ends contract talks with Indians

C.C. Sabathia released a statement Thursday on his official website indicating that he will not discuss a long-term contract extension until after the season.

Sabathia and the Indians were said to be negotiating a potential extension, but the impending free agent wrote: "At this time, we haven’t been able to reach agreement. Now that the reporting date for spring training is here, it is time to put aside contract discussions so that I can focus all of my energies and attention on preparing for the upcoming season." Sabathia added that "there will be time after the season for the Indians and my representatives to discuss my contract status," but it's going to awfully tough for Cleveland to keep him once he hits the open market. Unlike what the Twins did with Johan Santana, general manager Mark Shapiro said previously that the Indians will not trade Sabathia. Feb. 14 - 9:53 am et
Source: CCSabathia52.com

[Superman79]

The Tigers will challenge the Sox for the AL's best record, no doubt.

:not being a homer:

That I could see...In fact I envision a Red Sox/ El Tigres ALCS...

Red Sox offense will be better this season. Only one who will go down in production is Lowell.

If yall remember, Dice-K's problem last yearwas big innings. He'd cruise through 4 or 5 and then give up 5-6 runnings in one inning and when they never came, he was filthy. This season will be a lot more like the good games he had last season compared to his bad ones. Same way Beckett was "ehhh" in his first season with us but turned it on last year, thats how Dice-k will preform this season. Big old improvement.

I agree to a point. I really think Dice-K's problem last year was he wasn't used to pitching inside (they don't really do that in Japan) teach him how to use the whole plate and his record is gonna get much better.

at the same time, lets temper expectations a bit, you don't want to sound like a 90's Yankees fan...or worse Ghostrider87 talking about the Cubs :csad:

the guys only thrown 22 innings in the big leagues. its way too early to make those kinds of claims. especially now that other teams know about him and will be expecting him. he'll be good, but in his first full year i'd expect about 10 wins.

True, but he DID throw a no-hitter, and look a Joba Chamberlin...Yanks fans (and ESPN the Mag) are practically heralding him as the Second Coming of Christ...and he's only pitched 24 innings...about 8 or which were much less than stellar.

For the new guys it all remains to be seen...I mean look at pre-roids Clemens striking out 20 in '86, his second season...

[Excel]

dice k had 6 LOSSES where he gave up 3 or less over 6 innings or more. He coulda easly had 20 wins LAST season.

[sinewave]

dice k had 6 LOSSES where he gave up 3 or less over 6 innings or more. He coulda easly had 20 wins LAST season.

yeah, he was better than his record dictates. he did get himself into trouble with walks, though. i think he was trying to nibble too much on the corners instead of trusting his pitches more. should be improved this season.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Mariners could have the best 1-2 punch if Felix can stay healthy

Bedard/Hernandez and Webb/Haren should be damn good.

[E. Nygma]

I dont know, if the Mets rotation is healthy i think they have the best in the majors. Assuming Perez has his head on straight.

[Spidey-Bat]

His head is fine. It's his arm angle that he needs to keep consistent.

[E. Nygma]

His head is fine. It's his arm angle that he needs to keep consistent.

Every time he gets in trouble he explodes. I've seen him walk a guy and completely tank. He loses it mentaly, thats why i've always said he's inconsistent.

[Dark Donnie]

I dont know, if the Mets rotation is healthy i think they have the best in the majors. Assuming Perez has his head on straight.

I'd be more worried about Pedro's health

[Spidey-Bat]

He proved he could pitch effectively last year and he wasn't even a full year removed from surgery. Baseball Prospects predicted 25 starts from him which is enough.

The guy you should worry about getting injured is Cole Hamels.

[Dark Donnie]

He proved he could pitch effectively last year and he wasn't even a full year removed from surgery. Baseball Prospects predicted 25 starts from him which is enough.

He only pitched 25 innings, my point was his injury is more of a concern then Perez crumbling. I think Perez will be fine.

[Spidey-Bat]

25 innings plus the record he had is promising for a 36 year old only 10 months removed from major shoulder surgery.

Plus with Santana at the front of the rotation, he can be spelled of a start when he needs some rest.

[sinewave]

top 5 rotations:

1. angels
2. boston
3. san diego
4. arizona
5. mets

[Spidey-Bat]

San Diego doesn't have a great rotation, IMO. Chris Young faded in the 2nd half, Maddux is alright, Justin Germano was bad last year. No idea who they have as their 5th starter.

[sinewave]

San Diego doesn't have a great rotation, IMO. Chris Young faded in the 2nd half, Maddux is alright, Justin Germano was bad last year. No idea who they have as their 5th starter.

i think a 1-2 punch of peavy and young combined with serviceable veterans like maddux and wolf and the potential of prior is good enough to put up some great numbers in that ballpark.

[Spidey-Bat]

young was awful in the 2nd half though. Counting on Prior as a 5th starter is too much. Wolf sucks.

[sinewave]

young was awful in the 2nd half though. Counting on Prior as a 5th starter is too much. Wolf sucks.

aww, you're just mad because i had the mets at #5 on my list. :oldrazz:

young missed a couple of starts in the second half and his strike out rate did get lower, but he still allowed much fewer hits per inning and a lower batting average against during that time frame. could be a fluke, i don't know, but he's still an excellent #2 if he ends up somewhere between the 1st and 2nd halves of last season, especially in the best pitchers park in the NL. wolf's no stud, but he's still in his early 30's and should be at least league average in that ball park, as long as he can stay relatively healthy. what more do you want out of a #4 pitcher in the NL? i'm not pinning much hope on prior either, but you never know...

[Spidey-Bat]

aww, you're just mad because i had the mets at #5 on my list. :oldrazz:
I couldn't care less.

young missed a couple of starts in the second half and his strike out rate did get lower, but he still allowed much fewer hits per inning and a lower batting average against during that time frame. could be a fluke, i don't know, but he's still an excellent #2 if he ends up somewhere between the 1st and 2nd halves of last season, especially in the best pitchers park in the NL.
Good #2, not excellent.

wolf's no stud, but he's still in his early 30's and should be at least league average in that ball park, as long as he can stay relatively healthy. what more do you want out of a #4 pitcher in the NL? i'm not pinning much hope on prior either, but you never know...
Wolf can't stay healthy. And Prior is a guarantee to be injured as well.

[sinewave]

feeling froggy today, eh? ;)

[cyborg ninja 14]

I think he's in that "I'm declaring every medicore pitcher a health risk!" mood:cwink:

[sinewave]

I think he's in that "I'm declaring every medicore pitcher a health risk!" mood:cwink:

:woot:

[cyborg ninja 14]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3246542

The truth is revealed.

[Addendum]

We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law - Edward R. Murrow

If this latest thing about Bonds is proven to be true, he's done.

[Mister J]

This is going to be interesting to see played out. [/understatement]

[cyborg ninja 14]

Unless the investigators were straight up idiots who are making this claim based upon no evidence, I hope this takes Bonds down.

[Dark Donnie]

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Barry Bonds-OF-Giants Feb. 14 - 8:50 pm et

U.S. prosecutors released a legal filing alleging that Barry Bonds failed a November 2001 steroid test.

The test came just one month after Bonds hit his record 73rd home run of the 2001 season. The assertion was made in a document asking a federal court to reject Bonds' motion to dismiss perjury charges against him. It also mentions a failed amphetamines test in 2000, but reveals few details surrounding either charge.
Source: The Toronto Star

[Fran]

Ugh, I hope that Bush doesn't give Clemens a pardon... :down

[Mister J]

The Bonds thing was a typo. :dry:
It was only supposed to reference the already reported 2000 test.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3246675

I'm going to pretend someone gets fired over this. :lmao:

[NewYorkSpider]

I just heard that the Tigers have a lineup so strong, that Renteria or Rodriguez will bat ninth.

[Addendum]

The Bonds thing was a typo. :dry:
It was only supposed to reference the already reported 2000 test.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3246675

I'm going to pretend someone gets fired over this. :lmao:

That's interns for ya

[Dark Donnie]

The Bonds thing was a typo. :dry:
It was only supposed to reference the already reported 2000 test.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3246675

I'm going to pretend someone gets fired over this. :lmao:

I saw that, someone is getting sued

Barry Bonds-OF-Giants Feb. 14 - 10:21 pm et

Reports that Barry Bonds failed a steroids test were the result of a typo in court papers filed by federal prosecutors.

Apparently the government meant to reference a previously reported failed drug test from November of 2000. This test had already been unsealed last year. So, uh, nevermind.
Source: Rocky Mountain News

[sinewave]

I just heard that the Tigers have a lineup so strong, that Renteria or Rodriguez will bat ninth.

that's impressive, but rodriguez is a pretty lousy hitter at this point. great lineup, though.

did you guys see this article about clemens' wife? it's ****ing hilarious. check it out. (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/mlb_experts/post/Mrs-Clemens-and-Mrs-Canseco-apparently-compare?urn=mlb%2C66822)

[steintym]

I just heard that the Tigers have a lineup so strong, that Renteria or Rodriguez will bat ninth.

Tough lineup, top to bottom. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see one of those two in the ninth spot. Right now you're probably looking at something like:

1 Granderson
2 Polanco (maybe Renteria)
3 Ordonez (3,4,5)
4 Sheffield (3,4,5)
5 Cabrera (3,4,5)
6 Guillen or Jones
7 Jones or Guillen
8 Renteria or Polanco
9 Rodriguez

[ChrisBaleBatman]

And, it loks like the Yankees might have a problem with the rotation.

Pettitte is actually getting hammered harder now, than before, by the papers in NY.

Personally, I think his lying to everyone's face about his usage was a big part of it.

I just looked at the line in the paper saying "HE'S NOT TALKIN' NOW", and him getting two or three extra days before reporting to Spring Training won't matter a lick.

Some are speculating that he might just retire, since 1) he's been thinking about doing so before this season and 2)he might not want to have to deal with the crap that Bonds endured.

[Spidey-Bat]

Pettitte won't go. His lie about his usage is irrelevant to most people. He didn't lie under oath which is all that matters. So what if he lied to the public? Who hasn't?

He'll likely take the arrows on Monday and move on. The Yankees will be strict on reporters questioning him.

[Jerry!]

I think what people are completely letting go is that Pettitte cheated. Okay he lied about it, fine. He is human. But at least for the entirety of the 2004 season he cheated. People are making a bigger deal about him lying, but seem to just let that fact pass or something. Is he going to get suspended? Should he? He admitted using a banned substance.

[Spidey-Bat]

He won't get suspended. It was banned in January of 2005. Baseball won't penalize him for using it before it was banned.

[Jerry!]

Yeah I couldn't remember the date. But even so, I think it's still a pretty big deal. It's not like it's some no name player. But for some reason I don't know if he is going to get as much back lash for it as some other players would.

[Spidey-Bat]

It's not a big deal. Baseball cares more about the guys who are getting caught now. That's why Guillermo Mota, Neifi Perez, and Mike Cameron have been suspended while Gary Matthews Jr. and Paul Byrd haven't.

As for the backlash, it's pretty much just the NY media but it won't be that bad since a) he's a Yankee, b) he's a "Yankee great", c) they rather burn Clemens. He'll be booed at other parks but he's a big boy.

[Jerry!]

Andy Pettitte cheating not a big deal. Gotcha.

[Darren Daring]

Hey, sports fan, me and my homies are setting up a Fantasy Baseball Keeper league, Serious applicants only, pm me for more details.

[DarthRekal]

Joe Torre looks good in Dodger Blue :up:

[Spidey-Bat]

Andy Pettitte cheating not a big deal. Gotcha.

It's not a big deal because he admitted to it and told Congress, under oath, about everything he knew.

[cyborg ninja 14]

It's not a big deal because he admitted to it and told Congress, under oath, about everything he knew.

True, and also, Pettitte had no obligation to talk about his HGH use in 2004 because it wasn't in the Mitchell report like his '02 usage was.

[DarthRekal]

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1817/p1torreut7.jpg

[Spidey-Bat]

I win

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2062/2268648481_e642378b96_o.jpg

[cyborg ninja 14]

Kudos on the Pedro/Santana pic.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Haren!
http://www.azcentral.com/php-bin/commphotos/view.php?id=123146

[DarthRekal]

I win

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2062/2268648481_e642378b96_o.jpg
that's what you said last season :cwink:

[DarthRekal]

I win

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2062/2268648481_e642378b96_o.jpg
that's what you said last season :cwink:

the Mets are STILL the Mets.. no matter who they have on their Roster

[Badger]

Fantasy Baseball, interest and sign-up thread. :up:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=296130

[Spidey-Bat]

that's what you said last season :cwink:

the Mets are STILL the Mets.. no matter who they have on their Roster

I didn't say it last season. And it's not as if the Mets have never had a few years of success.

[Dark Donnie]

Anyone see this
Phillies Trade Kyle Kendrick to the Yomiuri Giants (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20080217_Trade_bait__Somethings_fishy.html)


CLEARWATER, Fla. - The Phillies traded Kyle Kendrick yesterday.
To the Yomiuri Giants. In Japan. For Kobayashi Iwamura.

"Do they have good food in Japan?" a stunned Kendrick asked reporters, who circled his locker inside the clubhouse at Bright House Networks Field. "I don't know what to think right now."

Unbelievable, huh?

Indeed. The Phillies executed an elaborate prank on Kendrick, one so believable that it had their 23-year-old starting pitcher convinced that he needed to be on a 7:05 a.m. Delta Airlines flight today, connecting in Atlanta for the 14-hour, 30-minute trip to Tokyo. The accomplices in the ruse included assistant general manager Ruben Amaro Jr.; manager Charlie Manuel; Frank Coppenbarger, director of team travel and clubhouse service; Kendrick's agent, Joe Urbon; pitcher Brett Myers; and pretty much everybody else in the clubhouse.

"They got me," Kendrick said later. "I thought it was a done deal. I thought it really happened. Gosh, good thing it didn't."

Think these Phillies are a loose bunch?

The idea developed early last week, but those involved were borrowing an old idea. Phillies broadcaster Larry Andersen once pulled the same prank on former pitcher Wayne Gomes.

Amaro created an official-looking document on Phillies letterhead, spelling out the trade details, which Kendrick had to sign in triplicate. Coppenbarger also created a detailed itinerary for Kendrick's trip overseas.

After yesterday's workout, Kendrick went into the weight room, as usual, when Amaro pulled him out. He and Kendrick walked through the clubhouse together.

(Keep in mind, any time the assistant GM or GM pulls a player out of the weight room or clubhouse and walks him into the manager's office, something almost always is up.)

"Contract signed," J.D. Durbin said from across the room.

"What'd you do, Kendrick?" Myers asked.

Comcast, which had been in on the scheme from the start, had Manuel and Myers miked for the prank.

Kendrick took a seat in Manuel's office. The manager and Amaro explained that he had just been traded to Japan. (Major leaguers can't be traded to Japan, by the way.) Kendrick didn't seem to notice or care that a TV camera was filming the event because he had been told earlier that Comcast was following Manuel around for the day.

Then Coppenbarger handed Kendrick his flight schedule.

He explained to Kendrick that he tried to get him a layover for a night in Seattle (Kendrick is from Washington), but couldn't because his Japanese team needed him to arrive immediately.

Stunned, Kendrick left Manuel's office and staggered to his locker. He grabbed his cell phone and walked outside to call his agent.

"It happens," Urbon told Kendrick. "It's a chance for you to make some more money. This is going to be a big deal. This really never happens. The media over there is going to be big."

"All right," Kendrick said.

He hung up.

Kendrick returned to his locker, where Amaro brought over reporters, who didn't expect to be part of the gag. Amaro announced the trade.

"It was a deal we felt was important for us to make," he told reporters. "The fact of the matter is we're trying to get to the next level."

Then the questions started.

Did Manuel, who played in Japan, give you some tips?

"No, not at all," Kendrick said. "Um, I don't know what to think right now."

Have you had all your shots? Seriously, you need shots to go over there.

"Uh, no," Kendrick said. "I haven't. Um, I don't know. This is going to be a new little chapter I guess, huh?"

Are you upset?

Is your passport in order?

Have you talked to your agent?

Are you shocked?

"You know what I say?" Myers said, stepping in next to Kendrick. "You just got punked!"

The clubhouse erupted in laughter. Everybody could see the relief wash over Kendrick.

"I've never been so happy. Seriously," he said. "I was not getting on that flight in the morning. They got me."

And Kobayashi Iwamura? He's relieved, too.

If he only existed.

[Showtime]

Anyone see this
Phillies Trade Kyle Kendrick to the Yomiuri Giants (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20080217_Trade_bait__Somethings_fishy.html)

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[E. Nygma]

I laughed when i heard about the Kendrick prank. It's good to see the Phillies locker room loose now that they finally cracked that September choking moniker. But they still need to realize they have to take care of business more than ever this season if they want to win the east again. No terrible April starts this year, even if they are still able to beat the Mets in almost every meeting after June like last year.

[fu manchu]

0nKKqPOiJxI

:hehe:. heard on the radio yesterday. pretty funny he got traded for hot dog eater!!

[E. Nygma]

the Pat Burrell t-shirts were funnier i think.

Chase Utley printed up t-shirts with Pat Burrell's lifting weights promo when he was drafted and they said "man or machine" on it. The shirts are hilarious.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Kobayashi Iwamura!:woot:

[Dark Donnie]

0nKKqPOiJxI

Kobayashi Iwamura!:woot:

That was one of the funnier pranks I have ever seen, his expression is priceless

[cyborg ninja 14]

That was one of the funnier pranks I have ever seen, his expression is priceless

I love how "surprised" Brett Myers was during that entire sequence. I feel I've had a change of heart about him. Perhaps he didn't really hit his wife in Boston a few years ago. I bet he dressed up Utley in drag, and punched him in the face on the streets of Boston:cwink:

[FaT_tONle]

I win

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2062/2268648481_e642378b96_o.jpg

That is just too sexy...

[Spidey-Bat]

I laughed when i heard about the Kendrick prank. It's good to see the Phillies locker room loose now that they finally cracked that September choking moniker. But they still need to realize they have to take care of business more than ever this season if they want to win the east again. No terrible April starts this year, even if they are still able to beat the Mets in almost every meeting after June like last year.

That's not happening again.

[Dark Donnie]

I love how "surprised" Brett Myers was during that entire sequence. I feel I've had a change of heart about him. Perhaps he didn't really hit his wife in Boston a few years ago. I bet he dressed up Utley in drag, and punched him in the face on the streets of Boston:cwink:
Funny thing is Myers chose to do the prank on Kendrick.

That's not happening again.


Probably not, but were definately not starting slow this year either.

[NewYorkSpider]

That was one of the funnier pranks I have ever seen, his expression is priceless

The prank was hilarious. I still can't believe he fell for it. By now he should have known that players can't get traded to Japan.

[Jerry!]

Today was the 10th anniversary of broadcaster Harry Caray's death. I've always hated just about everything about the Cubs, but I've always enjoyed listening to Caray call a game. He was a fan first, broadcaster second. He had genuine passion for the game and, more importantly, genuine passion for the Cubs and before that, the White Sox. He knew when to speak for the game and when to let the game speak for itself. A lot of broadcasters today don't understand that, especially the EPSN ones. They just don't know when to shut up, they dissect every single little detail of what is going on. But Harry had that quality and was entertaining at the same time, sometimes unintentionally. One of his classic lines was when the camera was showing a couple kiss, they showed it numerous times during the game and Caray said:

"Oh I see, he kisses her on the strikes and she kisses him on the balls."

Steve Stone was laughing the rest of the inning as was everyone else while Caray was oblivious to it all, asking why they were laughing. It was great.

[Spidey-Bat]

Probably not, but were definately not starting slow this year either.

I wouldn't be too sure of that.

[Dark Donnie]

I wouldn't be too sure of that.

So the Phillies are likely to struggle in the beginning and there is no chance of them to continue there winning ways against The Mets? Gotcha

[Spidey-Bat]

So the Phillies are likely to struggle in the beginning and there is no chance of them to continue there winning ways against The Mets? Gotcha

Yes. The Phillies have serious pitching concerns. No 5th starter, no middle relief, and Lidge as a closer is going to be very scary. I don't expect those problems to be sorted out before the season starts. The Mets have Santana which means those prolonged losing streaks are going to be very rare. Plus they have Pedro a full year who is reportedly healthy for the first time in years. Duaner Sanchez is also very healthy and is looking very good which is a huge thing for the bullpen.

[Kingfish]

yep, wouldnt be the same old mlb thread without the good old phillies/mets back and forth bulls***. almost went 2 whole pages without it even.

[Jerry!]

Spring Training didn't even start yet. Can't wait to see how it is then.

[Spidey-Bat]

yep, wouldnt be the same old mlb thread without the good old phillies/mets back and forth bulls***. almost went 2 whole pages without it even.

Donnie and I are the only ones who post a lot. What else do you expect? Don't like it, bring up your own team.

[Kingfish]

it is entertaining to see all the barbs thrown, i'll admit that. but chew on this one then.

angels. best outfield in baseball. deepest rotation in baseball. there i said it. go ahead and rip it apart with your spidey-logic.

[Spidey-Bat]

What is their OF? Is Matthews gonna split with Anderson and Guerrero who will DH? Will he play LF and Anderson DH full time?

They have a good rotation. Who is going to fill in for Escobar while he's out? Any idea how long he'll be out? Will he need surgery? Who is their 5th starter?

[Kingfish]

The OF is expected to be a rotation with matthews playing either left or right, with anderson or guerrero respectively as the DH.

Escobar is expected to resume throwing at the end of march and is targeting a return in early may. without him, the rotation should be lackey, garland, weaver, santana, saunders. personally, i expect santana to be back to form after dominating during the winter, which should restore his confidence. after escobar bumps saunders, who really is no slouch, i have no doubt its the deepest rotation.

[Spidey-Bat]

It certainly could be a deep rotation if Santana does bounce back. Think Lackey will be re-signed?

[Kingfish]

well, he has a reasonably priced club option for 2009 ($9 million), so that shouldn't really be an issue until after next season. but yeah, i definately think lackey will be an angel long after that. they'll have the money with anderson likely gone after this season. k-rod too unfortunately.

[Spidey-Bat]

If K-Rod leaves, Tigers would be smart to pick him up. Zumaya can't be counted on for a full season.

[Dark Donnie]

Yes. The Phillies have serious pitching concerns. No 5th starter, no middle relief, and Lidge as a closer is going to be very scary. I don't expect those problems to be sorted out before the season starts. The Mets have Santana which means those prolonged losing streaks are going to be very rare. Plus they have Pedro a full year who is reportedly healthy for the first time in years. Duaner Sanchez is also very healthy and is looking very good which is a huge thing for the bullpen.

I will concede that the Phillies 5th starter will more then likely be awful. Im more concerned with that then Lidge closing to be honest. I think he showed some signs towards the end of last season that he may have gotten back on track.

[Albiceleste]

Today was the 10th anniversary of broadcaster Harry Caray's death. I've always hated just about everything about the Cubs, but I've always enjoyed listening to Caray call a game. He was a fan first, broadcaster second. He had genuine passion for the game and, more importantly, genuine passion for the Cubs and before that, the White Sox. He knew when to speak for the game and when to let the game speak for itself. A lot of broadcasters today don't understand that, especially the EPSN ones. They just don't know when to shut up, they dissect every single little detail of what is going on. But Harry had that quality and was entertaining at the same time, sometimes unintentionally. One of his classic lines was when the camera was showing a couple kiss, they showed it numerous times during the game and Caray said:

"Oh I see, he kisses her on the strikes and she kisses him on the balls."

Steve Stone was laughing the rest of the inning as was everyone else while Caray was oblivious to it all, asking why they were laughing. It was great.


Harry was good be he was no Vince Scully
Vince is the greatest of all time. I hope the Dodgers win it all this season

[Fran]

I wonder if we can go a full page without discussing the f***ing Mets. :down

[steintym]

Harry was good be he was no Vince Scully
Vince is the greatest of all time. I hope the Dodgers win it all this season

Nothing beats a drunk Harry in the seventh inning, though. He would just get trashed if the game went to extra innings.

[Spidey-Bat]

I wonder if we can go a full page without discussing the f***ing Mets. :down

Then bring up your own team for us to discuss.

Im more concerned with that then Lidge closing to be honest. I think he showed some signs towards the end of last season that he may have gotten back on track.

Considering where he'll be playing, I really doubt he'll do well.

[Dark Donnie]

Considering where he'll be playing, I really doubt he'll do well.

But he showed improvements at the end of last season, and the fans here aren't as tough on players as you think. We backed Pat Burrell the entire beginning of last season, even when he was atrocious, and he turned it around.

[Spidey-Bat]

Billy Wagner was constantly booed and he had very good seasons with Philly. Wagner even said Lidge needs a calm city to thrive. Plus Lidge is in a launching pad and giving up a lot of home runs, especially as a closer, will likely be damaging.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I wonder if we can go a full page without discussing the f***ing Mets. :down

Temporary ban on Spidey-Bat and Donnie:o

[cyborg ninja 14]

What is their OF? Is Matthews gonna split with Anderson and Guerrero who will DH? Will he play LF and Anderson DH full time?

They have a good rotation. Who is going to fill in for Escobar while he's out? Any idea how long he'll be out? Will he need surgery? Who is their 5th starter?

What about that Torrii Hunter guy? Perhaps he would play center, Matthews in Left, and Guerrero and Anderson will switch off between LF and DH.