Official 2008 MLB thread

[omid17]

Congratulations Dodger fans. The Angels no-hit you and you still win. Hold your heads high. I know I am.:csad::csad: Weaver had to been pissed both at himself but mostly his teammates

[Kingfish]

Good old Lackey. Always the stopper. Pitched a hell of a game to avoid the sweep.

[omid17]

Good old Lackey. Always the stopper. Pitched a hell of a game to avoid the sweep.agreed, wow the Angels only got 1 run in the entire series :csad:

[NewYorkSpider]

Jose Molina just took a fastball to the groin. :csad: Thank god for cups.

[Spidey-Bat]

I'm so tired of the media crapping on Santana. There's more to his stats than wins and losses.

[NewYorkSpider]

I'm so tired of the media crapping on Santana. There's more to his stats than wins and losses.

He has a 3.01 ERA, but 7 losses. I think most of those losses were because he had no run support. He in the top 5 for SO in the NL. He's pitching better than people think.

Yanks lose to the Rangers. Mussina pitched a great game with 8 SO. Had a few bad pitches that led to a couple of runs. Yanks offense is cold right now.

[Spidey-Bat]

Joba needs to learn he doesn't need to strike everyone out. 91 pitches in 4 innings, not good.

[NewYorkSpider]

Joba needs to learn he doesn't need to strike everyone out. 91 pitches in 4 innings, not good.

That's exactly what his problem is. He thinks he has to strike out every batter. His pitch count has been up in every game he's started. For awhile tonight he was only throwing his FB and Slider. I've heard rumors that he was tinkering with a two-seam fastball. That should help him down the stretch.

I'm so disgusted with Joe Girardi right now. Wilson Betemit walked in the 9th with 0 outs(Gonzalez came in as PR), then Melkey grounded in the double-play. Why didn't Girardi have him bunt? They're only down by 1 run. Melkey is a great bunter. Then you could have stuck with Damon to hit, or you could have had Jeter come in as a PH(Damon was the DH). Our lineup needs a shake up. Posada is allowing to many SB's and Melkey isn't hitting ****. Not having Matsui has been brutal. He was the only one that showed up to hit the ball. Yankees just have too many problems right now. We should be playing a lot better than this.

[Dark Donnie]

Chris Snyder suffers left testicular fracture

Diamondbacks placed catcher Chris Snyder on the disabled list with a left testicular fracture.

That's gotta be even worse than Kaz Matsui's anal fissures. Snyder was injured when he was hit by a foul tip last night. Miguel Montero will start and be backed up by Robby Hammock while Snyder is out. He's worth adding in NL-only leagues. Jul. 1 - 9:44 pm et


:dry:

[BlackLantern]

the Mets don't look completely hopeless

[Go Web Go!]

Rays sweep the Sawks. Everyone jump aboard the TB Bandwagon!

[Immortalfire]

Rays sweep the Sawks. Everyone jump aboard the TB Bandwagon!

It'll happen. What's TB's attendance like? I hope it's better than the Marlins' non existent crowds.

[NewYorkSpider]

It'll happen. What's TB's attendance like? I hope it's better than the Marlins' non existent crowds.

Most of the fans in Tampa were wearing Red during the Boston series.

[Spidey-Bat]

Mets came back from 4-0 to get the lead. Lead off HBP (they lead the majors in HBP with 47) then Feliciano (LOOGY who eats up lefties) gives up a 2 run HR off Chris Duncan (who cant hit let alone hit lefties) to tie the game. They don't score and give up a walk off HR to lose.

[Immortalfire]

Most of the fans in Tampa were wearing Red during the Boston series.

Why?, the Sox have this insane preoccupation with green! :wow: :huh:

[Nightmare]

Rays continue to impress. I knew Donier navarro would be good someday!

[Go Web Go!]

It'll happen. What's TB's attendance like? I hope it's better than the Marlins' non existent crowds.

I think they're the only team that's worse - atleast until this year. I'm assuming they've gotten some kind of boost in attendance with their play as of late. It's too bad that very few people care about baseball in Florida (especially in South FL with the Marlins winning 2 WS.)

[NewYorkSpider]

Why?, the Sox have this insane preoccupation with green! :wow: :huh:

I had a friend who went to the game yesterday. He said there were more Red Sox fans than Rays fans in attendance.

[Spidey-Bat]

Since 2006, Ryan Howard has struck out more times than Tony Gwynn did in his entire career.

Ryan- 495
Gwynn- 434

[omid17]

Since 2006, Ryan Howard has struck out more times than Tony Gwynn did in his entire career.

Ryan- 495
Gwynn- 434my goodness :o

[Dark Donnie]

Since 2006, Ryan Howard has struck out more times than Tony Gwynn did in his entire career.

Ryan- 495
Gwynn- 434

Somehow he still manages to lead the league in RBI's.....I bet there are alot of players who have k'd as much as Gwynn in that same stretch.

If he doesn't get his strike outs down he's certainly getting shipped out and Utley will be manning 1st.

It'll happen. What's TB's attendance like? I hope it's better than the Marlins' non existent crowds.

It was there 4th Shutout I think ESPN said:o

[Dark Donnie]

...
Matt Holliday-OF-Rockies Jul. 3 - 9:21 am et

According to the Denver Post, "a scenario involving" the Angels acquiring Matt Holliday from the Rockies "is not unrealistic."

Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com recently reported the Angels' interest in Holliday, who's under the Rockies' control through next season.
Source: Denver Post
Related: Angels

C.C. Sabathia-S-Indians Jul. 3 - 10:20 am et

According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, the Phillies are interested in C.C. Sabathia and Erik Bedard.

The newspaper notes that Sabathia is "atop their wish list," but adds that "they also have an eye on" Bedard. The Mariners reportedly had scouts in Reading to watch Phillies pitching prospect Carlos Carrasco start Wednesday, but he was scratched with a sore shoulder.
Source: Philadelphia Inquirer
Related: Erik Bedard, Mariners

[Spidey-Bat]

Bedard is a malcontent. The dark horse team for Sabathia is the Brewers. One thing with Sabathia is he's bad in big games.

Somehow he still manages to lead the league in RBI's.....I bet there are alot of players who have k'd as much as Gwynn in that same stretch.

If he doesn't get his strike outs down he's certainly getting shipped out and Utley will be manning 1st.


I don't put much into the RBI stat. A guy in a good lineup will always get them. Guys who strikeout also tend to walk a lot. Pat Burrell, Adam Dunn, and Howard all draw 100+ walks.

I can see him being traded. I don't think he wants to stay because of the arbitration case. Is Utley that bad defensively at 2B?

[Dark Donnie]

Bedard is a malcontent. The dark horse team for Sabathia is the Brewers. One thing with Sabathia is he's bad in big games.




I don't put much into the RBI stat. A guy in a good lineup will always get them. Guys who strikeout also tend to walk a lot. Pat Burrell, Adam Dunn, and Howard all draw 100+ walks.

I can see him being traded. I don't think he wants to stay because of the arbitration case. Is Utley that bad defensively at 2B?
Im not a fan of Bedard really either, plus he seems to get hurt alot.

Howard's OBP with runner's in scoring position is through the roof obviously. Power hitters always strike out at a alarming rate.

No Utley isn't really bad, he's actually made some big strides with his Defense. One of our top prospects is a 2B Cardenas (spl?). I personally would love for them to move Howard for Prospects and pitching and go after Tex....that won't happen though. K's aside, Howard's Defense is really bad, plus he's built for the AL. His arbitration number next year is going to be huge again.....not sure what but it will probably be in the 14-15 mil range at least thats what there reporting. Tex is a switch hitter and this lineup is in need of a right hand bat.

[Spidey-Bat]

Teixeira is going to cost a lot. Both NY teams will probably want him. Yankees always want the big FA and the Mets' owner likes Teixeira. I'm on the fence about him. I wouldn't want to pass up a switch hitting, gold glove 1B in his prime but the years will probably be ridiculous (money doesn't mean anything to me) and it's just continuing the same trend they have been (signing free agents) instead of rebuilding properly.

[Dark Donnie]

Teixeira is going to cost a lot. Both NY teams will probably want him. Yankees always want the big FA and the Mets' owner likes Teixeira. I'm on the fence about him. I wouldn't want to pass up a switch hitting, gold glove 1B in his prime but the years will probably be ridiculous (money doesn't mean anything to me) and it's just continuing the same trend they have been (signing free agents) instead of rebuilding properly.

Im in the same boat about the money thing I really don't care at this point. The window with Rollins, Utley, Cole, and Howard isn't open forever. We need to make the moves necessary to win now. Are farm system sucks as is...If we need to move those guys(prospects) to get a proven commodity I think we do it. The Mets are in a different position, while you guys lost some of your farm you still have some good prospects right? Plus Reyes and Wright are still young. You guys could have much more options then we do.

One thing that the Phillies don't do and never have is scout and sign Latin talent. We need to put more money in that area. We build completely through the draft.

[Spidey-Bat]

The Mets have no prospects in AAA. All their prospects are in AA or lower. Most are in Single A though. I also get the feeling that other teams do not like their prospects as much as they do.

Biggest problem with the Mets is this dependency on old players. Pedro, Delgado, Castillo, Alou. You could even count Wagner.

The Mets are the opposite. They acquire most of their prospects from their academies in the DR. They've given up their picks from FA signings. Before this year, Pelfrey was their last 1st round pick which was in 2005 I think. They also need to utilize sabremetrics since they seem to stick primarily to traditional scouting methods.

[NewYorkSpider]

I don't see Matt Holliday getting traded. Tulowitzki is back in the lineup and their offense seems to be heating up. The other 4 teams in the divison aren't hot, so anything can happen.

I think Sabathia will end up in a Cubs or Brewers uniform. Bedard may end up in Philly. Another dark horse team for Sabathia will be the Rangers. They are in desperate need of a SP.

[Spidey-Bat]

The Cubs may not have enough to get Sabathia. Depends on how much they value their prospects. Felix Pie has done nothing and Rich Hill is like Cliff Lee last year; they demoted him to AAA.

I don't see the Rangers getting Sabathia. They aren't in contention and their best trading chips are catchers.

[BlackLantern]

The Mets don't need another outfielder...or if they do get Teixiera(sp) they could cut someone loose

[Spidey-Bat]

The Mets need another OF because they're playing 4th and 5th OFs in LF. They have the worst production from LF in the league. That is horrible considering LF is a spot for a slugger.

[BlackLantern]

It is.....It's painful to watch the Mets play these days

[Raiden]

The Mets have no prospects in AAA. All their prospects are in AA or lower. Most are in Single A though. I also get the feeling that other teams do not like their prospects as much as they do.

Biggest problem with the Mets is this dependency on old players. Pedro, Delgado, Castillo, Alou. You could even count Wagner.

The Mets are the opposite. They acquire most of their prospects from their academies in the DR. They've given up their picks from FA signings. Before this year, Pelfrey was their last 1st round pick which was in 2005 I think. They also need to utilize sabremetrics since they seem to stick primarily to traditional scouting methods.

If Mets had spent some of the millions they paid for the FA on their farm system, I'm sure it'd be one of the best in the league.

Still surprised at how well (Devil)Rays are doing, not only sweepint the Red Sox but also having the best record in MLB. I'm sure no one had seen it coming.

[BlackLantern]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3472451

The Rocket is only a sparkler

[Alex The Great]

Why did the Rays have to get so good? :csad:

[BlackLantern]

Why did the Rays have to get so good? :csad:

I think its awesome

[Alex The Great]

Clearly they had a deal with Satan. When the ''Devil'' In there names were finnaly removed, Satan Gave them great players and a new future staduim. But the "DEVIL RAYS" Had to suck for a while. Now there great.

:o:oldrazz::up:

[Raiden]

Why did the Rays have to get so good? :csad:

I heard that Rays have a terrific young GM, a great farm system, and it also helps that their owner isn't a lunatic and control freak like Hank Steinbrenner.

[Raiden]

Clearly they had a deal with Satan. When the ''Devil'' In there names were finnaly removed, Satan Gave them great players and a new future staduim. But the "DEVIL RAYS" Had to suck for a while. Now there great.

:o:oldrazz::up:

Well, devilray is a marine animal, and it has nothing to do with Satan.

But I like your theory. :cwink:

[Spidey-Bat]

If Mets had spent some of the millions they paid for the FA on their farm system, I'm sure it'd be one of the best in the league.

It's not the money, it's acquiring talent. They stick with the slotting system instead of overpaying the slot. They do put a lot to their academies in the DR which wasn't the case before Minaya.

I went to the Yankee game tonight. Was nice to see Pettitte get hit hard after he beat the Mets (a game he didn't deserve to win) last week. I had my Met hat on and was standing to stretch a bit when the Red Sox had some guys on in one of the later innings. This ***** Yankee fan kept yelling at me to sit down (she was in front of me) and saying the Mets sucked. I didn't even look at her and did the talking gesture with my hand which shut her up.

[NewYorkSpider]

The Cubs may not have enough to get Sabathia. Depends on how much they value their prospects. Felix Pie has done nothing and Rich Hill is like Cliff Lee last year; they demoted him to AAA.

The Brewers could knock away any offers the Cubs make. They have the better prospects. Cubs could try to center a deal around Gallagher and work from there. I don't see the Cubs getting an injury prone Bedard. They could go after Burnett if they're that desperate.

I don't see the Rangers getting Sabathia. They aren't in contention and their best trading chips are catchers.

I just read tonight that they're not in the running. I thought they would be since they need pitching. If the Rangers could get a couple solid SP in the near future, they're in the running for the divison.

[Dark Donnie]

Breweres are likely landing spot for C.C. according to Rosenthal.... there offering up LaportaReport: Brewers offer LaPorta for Sabathia

[Spidey-Bat]

The Brewers could knock away any offers the Cubs make. They have the better prospects. Cubs could try to center a deal around Gallagher and work from there. I don't see the Cubs getting an injury prone Bedard. They could go after Burnett if they're that desperate.
Burnett is complicated though. He can activate his option for next year. So if he pitches well, he'll walk. If he's injured and doesn't put up as nice numbers, they'll be stuck with him. I think the Cubs are trying to do too much. It seems they're interested in everyone that's available.

I just read tonight that they're not in the running. I thought they would be since they need pitching. If the Rangers could get a couple solid SP in the near future, they're in the running for the divison.
CC is a FA though. He's not going to sign with Texas, no good pitcher ever does. In the off-season, the Twins asked if Santana would accept a trade to Texas. He said he would but his response was less than enthusiastic so they didn't investigate further. Texas does have good prospects. They robbed the Braves last year (Atlanta hasn't gotten better with Teixeira).

[The Dude]

The Milwaukee Brewers are serious about trading for Indians left-hander C.C. Sabathia — more serious, perhaps, than any other club.

The Brewers' offer for Sabathia includes Class AA left fielder Matt LaPorta, according to sources with two other clubs that are interested in acquiring the pitcher.

Class AA shortstop Alcides Escobar also may be in the Brewers' proposed deal, one of the sources says.

The Brewers likely would prefer to substitute a lesser player for Escobar, or perhaps would insist upon additional talent if the Indians demanded his inclusion. But if the Brewers indeed were willing to give up both LaPorta and Escobar, the Sabathia sweepstakes might be over before they started.

"I can not imagine anyone would top that," the first source said.

The second added, "That deal should get it done."


LaPorta AND Escobar. That is a ton of talent right there, if we give up that for C.C. it's World Series or bust.

Doug Melvin confirmed that he was in town to watch C.C. last start, and Indians confimed that they were in Huntsville checking out Brewers AA talent.

I don't want to say it's a lock, but it's a "definite likelyhood".

EDIT:
Some people are reporting the Brewers are trying to get Escobar out of the deal, with SS J.J. Hardy and class A 3B Taylor Green (who the Indians are reportedly very high on) being likely replacements

[Spidey-Bat]

At the plate, Carlos Beltran is easily one of the dumbest players in baseball.

[Dark Donnie]

Phillies with the walk of win in the ninth.

[Spidey-Bat]

Mets' offense (aka Carlos Beltran) gave them that game.

[Nightmare]

Did the dbacks win today?

[Spidey-Bat]

It's scoreless going into the bottom of the 5th. You can check box scores on MLB.com or Yahoo's MLB page.

[Dark Donnie]

Mets' offense (aka Carlos Beltran) gave them that game.

Happ pitched really well and really only ran into one problem....Phillies bullpen was lights out again. That offense is pretty bad... you guys need a corner OF really bad. Btw why did Manuel take out Santana?

[Spidey-Bat]

I don't think he wanted him to lose the game. He's been taking so much crap from the NY media and fans here b/c he's gone a month without winning a game. He pitched great but of course "pitched well enough to lose". I hate that phrase because with him, he's allowed 1 more run than they've scored. It's blaming him instead of the piss-poor lineup.

I want to know why Chris Aguila batted instead of Ryan Church I think in the 5th or 6th. Then it would have put Endy in LF who has a very good arm and maybe one of those runs don't score in the 6th.

They might as well lose 100 games since they're not making the playoffs with the roster as it is. They need a real 1B and LF and a 2B that can only play as often as a backup catcher.

[Nightmare]

What a day in baseball.

Sox beat the yanks yet again.

Rockies come back on the marlins 17-16.

And My Dodgers beat the giants. With nomahhh back. (Andrew jones returned too 0-5 4 k's)

[NewYorkSpider]

Burnett is complicated though. He can activate his option for next year. So if he pitches well, he'll walk. If he's injured and doesn't put up as nice numbers, they'll be stuck with him. I think the Cubs are trying to do too much. It seems they're interested in everyone that's available.

I think the Cubs need to go out and get a pitcher before the deadline. The Brewers and Cardinals or hanging right there and could get hot at any moment. The Phillies on the other hand really don't need to persue anybody. Marlins are hanging there, but don't seem like a threat to win the divison. Mets can't seem to ignite the fire and pull themselves close enough and the Braves are falling apart fast.

CC is a FA though. He's not going to sign with Texas, no good pitcher ever does. In the off-season, the Twins asked if Santana would accept a trade to Texas. He said he would but his response was less than enthusiastic so they didn't investigate further. Texas does have good prospects. They robbed the Braves last year (Atlanta hasn't gotten better with Teixeira).

I'm hearing now that the Dodgers are in the mix for CC. Would be a good fit in the roatation there with all the injuries they have. I heard CC could be traded in the next 4 days. The deal with the Brewers must be heating up.

[Nightmare]

I heard brewers on baseball tonight as well. Though id love to see cc on my dodgers, They just sent down 20 year old prospect Kershaw back to the minors and Penny is set to come off the dl. So i doubt they'd be willing to give a lot up for CC right now. I think they'll wait till the off season then try to make a huge run at him with them likely letting derek lowe sign elsewhere this offseason.

[Spidey-Bat]

I think the Cubs need to go out and get a pitcher before the deadline. The Brewers and Cardinals or hanging right there and could get hot at any moment. The Phillies on the other hand really don't need to persue anybody. Marlins are hanging there, but don't seem like a threat to win the divison. Mets can't seem to ignite the fire and pull themselves close enough and the Braves are falling apart fast.
Cubs probably need a pitcher but Zambrano is back. Phillies I think need someone but they don't seem to have the chips to trade. The Mets desperately need a power bat in LF. Castillo doing an Alou impersonation doesn't help. Neither does Carlos Delgado getting 9 RBI and 5 RBI in two games and doing nothing else in between.

I'm hearing now that the Dodgers are in the mix for CC. Would be a good fit in the roatation there with all the injuries they have. I heard CC could be traded in the next 4 days. The deal with the Brewers must be heating up.
Wouldn't be surprised if CC gets moved now. I remember Carlos Beltran got traded late June in 2004.

I think they'll wait till the off season then try to make a huge run at him with them likely letting derek lowe sign elsewhere this offseason.

Three bad contracts aren't enough for the Dodgers?

[Nightmare]

Three? Bad Contracts are all the dodgers live for. Dating all the way back to Kevin Brown and Darren Dreifort

Schmidt, Andruw Jones, Juan Pierre, They picked up Loaiza and released him earlier this season swallowing the 8 million they owed him. They gave Nomar 15 million on his current contract. The dodgers always over pay and dont get it in return.

[Spidey-Bat]

Then why would you want Sabathia? He's carrying a piano on his back.

[Nightmare]

Well, Lowe would be gone. So signing sabathia would be an ideal replacement. His era would go down in the NL.

[NewYorkSpider]

Cubs probably need a pitcher but Zambrano is back. Phillies I think need someone but they don't seem to have the chips to trade. The Mets desperately need a power bat in LF. Castillo doing an Alou impersonation doesn't help. Neither does Carlos Delgado getting 9 RBI and 5 RBI in two games and doing nothing else in between.

Mets should trade for Jason Bay. His contract gets done at the end of the 2009 season. Pirates will probably want a lot in return though. Mariners want to move Raul Ibanez as well. Mets could always contact Barry Bonds. :oldrazz:

Wouldn't be surprised if CC gets moved now. I remember Carlos Beltran got traded late June in 2004.

I heard somewhere(might have been from Ken Rosenthal) that CC would be traded before Tuesday.

[Spidey-Bat]

Bay would cost too much. Nady is more likely. Ibanez I wouldn't mind but he's a lefty bat and not great defensively. They need a righty bat more. I'd take Bonds on the condition that he become a mute. I'd rather see the Mets just get someone minor, hope they can turn it around. If not, I want Omar to trade for some younger guys. I'd like to see him pursue young guys who have hit but for some reason aren't anymore (Josh Barfield and Asdrubal Cabrera) or blocked prospects (Max Ramirez or Taylor Teagarden).

Wouldn't be surprised on CC. Indians probably don't want him to hit a rough patch and lose some value.

[Spidey-Bat]

Rivera should have been ejected. Two hit batsman in one inning warrants it. The umps strikezone was horribly inconsistent in that inning as well.

[Nightmare]

Is it a final? who won? yanks or boston?

[Kingfish]

Rivera should have been ejected. Two hit batsman in one inning warrants it. The umps strikezone was horribly inconsistent in that inning as well.

Maybe he was too distracted by the fact that he's already been tabbed to close the All-Star game.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8315002/Report:-D-backs'-Webb,-Indians'-Lee-will-start-ASG

Is it a final? who won? yanks or boston?

Welcome to the Internet. Where it's only slightly harder to find scores then porn.

[Dark Donnie]

If C.C. is traded to say The Brewers, what is the compensation they get if he doesn't sign?

[Spidey-Bat]

Ken Griffey Jr starting? What a ****ing joke.

I find it funny no Mets get nominated. Even with a big fan base and national attention no one gets elected in. Not like they deserve it. Carlos Beltran would just watch strike 3 down the middle and Wright and Reyes would pop up. Santana deserves to go, not his fault his team can't score 3 or more runs for him. Wagner should and probably will since the NL closers suck. Chuch deserves it but he was on the DL because the FO knows nothing about head injuries.

If C.C. is traded to say The Brewers, what is the compensation they get if he doesn't sign?
Let's say the Yankees have the 20th pick in the first round and they sign CC. The Brewers would get the Yankees' 20th pick in the first round and an additional pick in the compensation round (between the 1st and 2nd round). The Yankees have to give up that 20th pick. They can't give up a first round pick they got from another team if one of their free agents signed with a team that got a later pick.

[Dark Donnie]

Ken Griffey Jr starting? What a ****ing joke.

I find it funny no Mets get nominated. Even with a big fan base and national attention no one gets elected in. Not like they deserve it. Carlos Beltran would just watch strike 3 down the middle and Wright and Reyes would pop up. Santana deserves to go, not his fault his team can't score 3 or more runs for him. Wagner should and probably will since the NL closers suck. Chuch deserves it but he was on the DL because the FO knows nothing about head injuries.


Let's say the Yankees have the 20th pick in the first round and they sign CC. The Brewers would get the Yankees' 20th pick in the first round and an additional pick in the compensation round (between the 1st and 2nd round). The Yankees have to give up that 20th pick. They can't give up a first round pick they got from another team if one of their free agents signed with a team that got a later pick.

Thank you for the clarification. :up: That's what I figured. Someone mentioned that if The Brewers traded the prospects they would get a pick back if Sabathia signed somewhere else, same thing with Sheets.

Good to see Burrell and Cole get on there....Lidge wasn't suprising.... either was Utley. I wanted Coste:yay:

BTW Webb starting over Lincecum? How Pedroia starting over Kinsler?

[Spidey-Bat]

The Mets offense is brutal. No one knows how to hit a fly ball, line drive, or a base hit.

[Kingfish]

How Pedroia starting over Kinsler?

Thank Red Sox Nation. Just look how long it took for Varitek to finally get out of the top spot. If it were actually based on something like, oh I don't know, merit, Morneau, Kinsler and Young would be in there instead of Youkilis, Pedroia and Jeter.

And Griffey gets to start. That is just flat out ridiculous. I really wish they would take the vote out of the fan's hands.

[BlackLantern]

The Mets offense is brutal. No one knows how to hit a fly ball, line drive, or a base hit.

watching the Mets play baseball is depressing....

[Spidey-Bat]

Thank Red Sox Nation.

Doesn't help that Kinsler has made I believe 12-14 errors. He's a good hitter but a butcher at 2B.

[Spider-Fan]

I've really stopped caring about baseball this season since my Indians are just crap now.

One win away from the WS last year, and now they suck. Pitiful.

[The Dude]

Let's say the Yankees have the 20th pick in the first round and they sign CC. The Brewers would get the Yankees' 20th pick in the first round and an additional pick in the compensation round (between the 1st and 2nd round). The Yankees have to give up that 20th pick. They can't give up a first round pick they got from another team if one of their free agents signed with a team that got a later pick.

Seeing how well the Brewers draft and run the farm system that would be fine with me, as I'm sure that a there is a decent chance of a high return prospect.

Even if CC would leave in F.A. i wouldn't fault management for going for it all. All these years of losing, when you have a team this talented, you need to go for that final piece to go after a title.

[Kingfish]

You could make that arguement about Kinsler. But since when did today's voting fan give two s***s about defense?

Seriously, Kinsler is better in EVERY offensive category, in a virtually identical number of at-bats. He starts because his team is more popular. It's one of the MANY flaws in The All-Star game.

[Spidey-Bat]

Take a look at Kinsler's Home and Away splits

Home: 373/432/553, 158 OPS+
Away: 286/343/515, 136 OPS+

Here are Pedroia's
Home: 302/358/447, 111 OPS+
Away: 318/353/473, 128 OPS+

Pedroia is hitting only 16 pts better away. His OBP is very close. His SLG differences are only 26 pts difference.

Kinsler on the other hand is hitting 86 pts better at home. He's OBP'ing 89 pts better at home. His slugging 40 pts better at home than on the road.

Kinsler deserves to be on the All-Star team, but his bad defense and Home/Away splits don't really help his case for being the starting 2B.

[Kingfish]

Put Pedroia in any city besides Boston or New York and he wouldn't have gotten half the votes he did. My point is that Pedroia is probably an All-Star, but he's only the starter because of where he plays. If he didn't have the nation going for him, Kinsler would be the starter, and deservedly so, imo.

Remember, bad defense and home/road splits aren't something that influence most fans that vote for All-Stars. Those factors aren't something that hurt Kinsler in the fan vote. The number one influence among voters is the logo on their cap.

Really, this is just another complaint about fans voting for All-Stars. It's flawed plain and simple. Look at Griffey for crying out loud.

[Dodger]

Well, Lowe would be gone. So signing sabathia would be an ideal replacement. His era would go down in the NL.

Dodgers don't need CC and we especially don't need to give him 100 million and have end up on the DL.

[Spidey-Bat]

Put Pedroia in any city besides Boston or New York and he wouldn't have gotten half the votes he did. My point is that Pedroia is probably an All-Star, but he's only the starter because of where he plays. If he didn't have the nation going for him, Kinsler would be the starter, and deservedly so, imo.

Remember, bad defense and home/road splits aren't something that influence most fans that vote for All-Stars. Those factors aren't something that hurt Kinsler in the fan vote. The number one influence among voters is the logo on their cap.

Really, this is just another complaint about fans voting for All-Stars. It's flawed plain and simple. Look at Griffey for crying out loud.

I wouldn't go that far.

[BlackLantern]

I still think its BS that Yankee Stadium gets the All-Star Game....while Shea hasn't had one since afros were popular

[Spidey-Bat]

Citi Field should host it next year but having an ASG in the same city consecutive years is the worst thing ever. Next year it's in St. Louis which has absolutely nothing.

[Captain Planet!]

Take a look at Kinsler's Home and Away splits

Home: 373/432/553, 158 OPS+
Away: 286/343/515, 136 OPS+

Here are Pedroia's
Home: 302/358/447, 111 OPS+
Away: 318/353/473, 128 OPS+

Pedroia is hitting only 16 pts better away. His OBP is very close. His SLG differences are only 26 pts difference.

Kinsler on the other hand is hitting 86 pts better at home. He's OBP'ing 89 pts better at home. His slugging 40 pts better at home than on the road.

Kinsler deserves to be on the All-Star team, but his bad defense and Home/Away splits don't really help his case for being the starting 2B.
If you want good defense, watch Brian Roberts play.

[Spidey-Bat]

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/all_star/y2008/roster_league.jsp#nl_starters

NL All-Star team should be called the All-Scrub team.

[Dark Donnie]

The infield is amazing, the OF is kinda meh....like Braun though....I like the NL team better

Hamels got screwed.....would have loved to seen Burrell in as well.

[Captain Planet!]

I like the fact no outfielder on either team has more than 5 assists. Of course I'm a little biased about Nick Markakis, but 8 assists, 1 error, 1 DP, fielding percentage of .995, countless gold glove plays (infact, he just made one a couple minutes ago), batting AVG of .294, 12 homers, 44 RBI, 23 2B, 52 BB, 8 SB, and he's not a reserve? I know that he hasn't hit many homeruns (which appearently is the only stat that matters), but come on.

[Dark Donnie]

Phillies sign Lidge to three-year extension

Phillies signed RHP Brad Lidge to a three-year, $37.5 million contract extension with a club option for 2012.
Lidge, who was going to be a free agent at season's end, has a 0.77 ERA with 47 strikeouts over 35 innings, including 19 saves. The price tag for the new deal isn't so bad for the Phillies. To get Lidge to sign for just three years when there's a good chance he could have gotten five on the open market makes the decision to nearly double his current $6.35 million salary easier to swallow. Jul. 6 - 11:24 am et


Good money, and pretty much means the end of Myers

[Kingfish]

I like the fact no outfielder on either team has more than 5 assists. Of course I'm a little biased about Nick Markakis, but 8 assists, 1 error, 1 DP, fielding percentage of .995, countless gold glove plays (infact, he just made one a couple minutes ago), batting AVG of .294, 12 homers, 44 RBI, 23 2B, 52 BB, 8 SB, and he's not a reserve? I know that he hasn't hit many homeruns (which appearently is the only stat that matters), but come on.

Obviously I would have wanted Guerrero over Markakis, but he was probably deserving too. I can accept neither making it though, OF is tough this year.

However, there are a number of catchers that are more deserving then Varitek. The Rays got pretty hosed too.

[Captain Planet!]

Obviously I would have wanted Guerrero over Markakis, but he was probably deserving too. I can accept neither making it though, OF is tough this year.

However, there are a number of catchers that are more deserving then Varitek. The Rays got pretty hosed too.
The only reason Varitek is on the team is because Francona is managing. a .219 batting average and 27 RBI are not all-star stats.

[Dark Donnie]

...
4:15PM EST: CastroTurf, an Indians blog at the MLB Blogs Network, takes Rosenthal's rumor one step further, citing a "Major League source," that says a trade with the Brewers and Indians for C.C. Sabathia has been "completed." If correct, the trade is indeed centered around Double-A outfielder Matt LaPorta, though the other two prospects are not yet named.

Further updates as soon as they are available.

[Spidey-Bat]

4:54PM EST: Jon Heyman weighs in on the impending Sabathia deal, stating that the Indians have been trying to pry top shortstop prospect Alcides Escobar away from the Brewers as well. Heyman re-affirms that the Brewers would like a deal complete as soon as possible, in order to get two starts from Sabathia - one Tuesday and one Sunday - before the All-Star Break.

No mention of the unconfirmed report of the deal being completed from Heyman just yet.

[Dark Donnie]

just was told by a reliable club source that the Brewers have a deal in place with Cleveland for left-hander C.C. Sabathia, contingent on the paperwork being done and medical records exchanged.

But believe me, folks, that's a deal. All that other stuff is formality.

All I know so far is that top prospect Matt LaPorta is in the deal. I was told two lower-level minor leaguers also are included. The Brewers refused to include another top prospect such as Alcides Escobar or Mat Gamel.
http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/ar...-sabathia.aspx

[BlackLantern]

unless the Indians official website, ESPN or Fox Sports reports it, it's not happening

[Spidey-Bat]

Ken Rosenthal has been talking about it for awhile. Indians site won't have anything up. It's definitely gonna happen.

[Dark Donnie]

unless the Indians official website, ESPN or Fox Sports reports it, it's not happening

haha it happened.

C.C. Sabathia-S-Indians Jul. 6 - 7:31 pm et

The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel is reporting that the Indians have acquired C.C. Sabathia from the Indians.
Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
Related: Brewers

Report: Brewers acquire Sabathia from Indians
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Updated: July 6, 2008, 6:35 PM EST 48 comments
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The Brewers have won the C.C. Sabathia sweepstakes.

The Indians have agreed to trade the ace Sabathia and two lower-level minor leaguers for a package that includes top prospect Matt LaPorta and other minor leaguers, according to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel.

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The deal is contingent on the paperwork and medical records, the paper reported.

Sabathia could make his debut as early as Tuesday for the Brewers against the Rockies.

LaPorta, a right-handed slugger who is below-average defensively, would be a better fit for the American League. He was the Brewers' first-round pick in 2007, and played first base at the University of Florida, but the Brewers converted him to left field — a position occupied by Ryan Braun, who is signed through 2015.

LaPorta was not in the lineup Sunday for Huntsville's game against Birmingham. Clubs routinely sit players to avoid the risk of injury when a trade is imminent, though the exact reason for LaPorta's absence from the lineup was unclear.

The Indians badly need power. Center fielder Grady Sizemore leads the AL with 22 home runs, but designated hitter Travis Hafner hit only four before going on the disabled list with a right shoulder strain on May 30 and catcher Victor Martinez had zero before going on the DL June 12 with a right-elbow injury.

LaPorta has 20 home runs and 66 RBIs for Class AA Huntsville.

The Phillies, Dodgers and Rays were also bidding for Sabathia.

FOXSports.com baseball writer Ken Rosenthal contributed to this report.

[Nightmare]

Dodgers don't need CC and we especially don't need to give him 100 million and have end up on the DL.

the hell. 100 million? who said that?

Dodgers take 2 of 3 from the giants. after taking 3 of 4 from houston. I like it! :up:

[Spidey-Bat]

I hate Billy Wagner. Is it too hard to get 3 ****ing outs?

[BlackLantern]

apparently so....this is retarded.....12 ****ing innings??? are you kidding me?

[Dark Donnie]

Phillies just couldn't hit today...were struggling.

[Panophobia]

Braves win in 17. :)

[Poeman]

Brett Gardner baby!

[Poeman]

Brett Gardner baby!

[Poeman]

Brett Gardner baby!

[Poeman]

Brett Gardner baby!

[Spidey-Bat]

Brett Gardner: The Next Mickey Mantle :whatever:

[The Dude]

NEW YORK -- The Milwaukee Brewers (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/teams/brewers) greatly enhanced their postseason chances by completing a blockbuster trade for star left-hander C.C. Sabathia in a deal that will be announced Monday.
The Brewers will send top slugging prospect Matt LaPorta to the Indians, along with minor-league pitchers Zach Jackson and Rob Bryson for Sabathia, SI.com has confirmed. It is believed that a fourth player to be named will also go to Cleveland.
Milwaukee has been viewed as a favorite to land Sabathia because of its superb farm system. LaPorta, a blue-chip prospect who can play a corner outfield spot or first base, has 20 homers, 66 RBIs and a .288 batting average for Double-A Huntsville, Ala.
The youthful and offensively-strong Brewers could also be viewed as a playoff favorite now, as well, thanks to their big new import. The left-handed Sabathia will team with righty Ben Sheets (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/6618) to form an excellent 1-2 pitching punch. Sabathia, the 2007 American League Cy Young winner, is only 6-8 overall with a 3.83 ERA but has an ERA of around 2 since late April.
As a player who's eligible for free agency at year's end, his trade value was diminished somewhat because he seen as a three-month rental (though possibly longer if the Brewers make the playoffs). The Indians sought to acquire players more valuable than the two draft choices Sabathia would have brought had he left as a free agent, and they accomplished that. But now the Brewers will get the benefit of the draft choices, assuming they are not able to sign Sabathia to a contract extension.
Jackson was 1-5 with a 7.85 ERA at Triple-A Nashville. Bryson, who is said to have a very good arm, was 3-2 with a 4.25 ERA at Class-A West Virginia.
The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, which first reported news of the trade, suggested that third baseman Taylor Green, who was hitting .298 at Class-A Brevard County, could be the fourth player to go to Cleveland in the deal.
The Brewers likely feel fortunate to hold onto both third baseman Matt Gamel, who's hitting .374 at Huntsville, and shortstop Alcides Eescobar, who's hitting .324 there. The Indians showed interest in both players.


LaPorta is a great player. he'll be great for the Indians. But we gave up ZACK JACKSON (who is horrible) and a class A pitcher i haven't heard about for Sabathia is a steal. Yeah Taylor Green may still go, but the fact we still have Gamel and Escobar is great.

Bravo Doug Melvin. Bravo.

[jks]

I still think its BS that Yankee Stadium gets the All-Star Game....while Shea hasn't had one since afros were popular

Because shea is a crap stadium...and even literally smells like garbage?

[jks]

What's everyone's first half award picks?


AL:

Cy young: Cliff Lee

Mvp: Josh Hamilton

Roy: Evan Longoria


NL:

Cy young: Edinson Vosquez

Mvp: Chipper Jones

Roy: Jair Jurrjens

[Nightmare]

NL:

Cy Young: Chan Ho Park (check the numbers)

MVP: Russell Martin

ROY: Hideki Kuroda

[Kingfish]

Seems pretty clear that (given the chance) Poeman would gladly have Brett Gardner's baby.

A.L. :

Cy Young: Joe Saunders
MVP: Josh Hamilton
ROY: Evan Longoria

[Dark Donnie]

LaPorta is a great player. he'll be great for the Indians. But we gave up ZACK JACKSON (who is horrible) and a class A pitcher i haven't heard about for Sabathia is a steal. Yeah Taylor Green may still go, but the fact we still have Gamel and Escobar is great.

Bravo Doug Melvin. Bravo.

It's a gamble, but at least they get the picks back if/when he doesn't sign. Sheets and Sabathia is pretty awesome starting two.


Phillies in serious talks about AJ Burnett :dry: Bedard as well. Guy from MLB.com said The Phillies were one of 4 teams interested in Sabathia, but it came down to Mil and TB, and TB backed out Thursday.

[Dark Donnie]

Any confirmation on the HR Derby?

Hamilton, Uggla, Utley, Berkman are the only ones confirmed. I believe Vlad said he was doing it as well....

[BlackLantern]

Because shea is a crap stadium...and even literally smells like garbage?

and Yankee Stadium is falling apart and the neighborhood is in is basically a demilitarized zone....

[Dark Donnie]

I have no problem with Yankee Stadium hosting, it's a baseball landmark...even if the area sucks.

[Dark Donnie]

...
Report: Church's season 'seems in question'

The New York Daily News reports that Ryan Church will get additional tests on his head in New York on Monday, and that "his season seems in question."

Church was pulled from Saturday's game with migraines, and said Sunday that he's been experiencing the headaches since he was in the ninth grade. It was said the headaches were unrelated to the two concussions he's suffered this year, but he left the ballpark without talking to reporters on Sunday and the Daily News has learned he was headed to New York to see doctors. Jul. 7 - 10:19 am et
Source: New York Post

[Spidey-Bat]

He better not be another Corey Koskie. The front office handled it horribly. I hope he's not done because they already don't have a LF.

Because shea is a crap stadium...and even literally smells like garbage?

Shea doesn't smell like garbage. It's not pretty, but you don't have to mortgage your house to go to a game or wait 45 min to get food.

I remember there was a story about the worst parks. Angels Stadium was actually the worst because it had a rodent problem.

Cy Young: Joe Saunders

Saunders?

NL:

Cy Young: Chan Ho Park (check the numbers)

MVP: Russell Martin

ROY: Hideki Kuroda

We mean in the league, not on the Dodgers.

[Dark Donnie]

...
Rich Harden-S- Athletics Jul. 7 - 10:49 am et


The Chicago Sun-Times reports that the Cubs have been talking with Oakland GM Billy Beane in hopes of attaining Rich Harden.

The Cubs were looking for starting pitching before division rival Milwaukee snared C.C. Sabathia, and that move made the need slightly more pressing. Still, the A's are only six games out of first and might wait until closer to the deadline to start dealing. The Cubs are also thought to be interested in San Diego's Randy Wolf.
Source: SunTimes.com
Related: Randy Wolf, Rich Harden, Cubs

[Johnny Blaze]

It's a gamble, but at least they get the picks back if/when he doesn't sign. Sheets and Sabathia is pretty awesome starting two.


Phillies in serious talks about AJ Burnett :dry: Bedard as well. Guy from MLB.com said The Phillies were one of 4 teams interested in Sabathia, but it came down to Mil and TB, and TB backed out Thursday.

I'm glad the Rays backed out. Didn't want to see them give up one of their top prospect to get a rental player (even though it would've cemented their rotation as the best in baseball).

Seems like the Rays are more interested in Brian Fuentes anyway.

[Dark Donnie]

I'm glad the Rays backed out. Didn't want to see them give up one of their top prospect to get a rental player (even though it would've cemented their rotation as the best in baseball).

Seems like the Rays are more interested in Brian Fuentes anyway.

The guy from MLB.com said there in the market for another bat, and Relief so yeah...plus I think I read about Fuentes on another site as well.

[Johnny Blaze]

Yeah, they're (supposedly) also trying to work something out for Holliday. But the rumor is that the Rockies will only listen of Price is part of the deal.
And there's no way in hell the Rays are going to give David Price up. :o

[Kingfish]

I remember there was a story about the worst parks. Angels Stadium was actually the worst because it had a rodent problem.

Yeah, they were having a problem because the night cleanup crews weren't actually doing anything until like four in the morning. But they cleaned up their act now.

Saunders?

Absolutely

[NewYorkSpider]

Award Picks

American League:

AL MVP - Josh Hamilton

AL Cy Young - Cliff Lee

AL Rookie of the Year - Evan Longoria

AL Manager of the Year - Joe Maddon


National League:

NL MVP - Chipper Jones

NL Cy Young - Edinson Volquez

NL Rookie of the Year - Geovany Soto

NL Manager of the Year - Tony La Russa

[Superman79]

However, there are a number of catchers that are more deserving then Varitek. The Rays got pretty hosed too.
The only reason Varitek is on the team is because Francona is managing. a .219 batting average and 27 RBI are not all-star stats.

The players voted on the reserves, so the real reason Varitek is on the tema is because other player in the league felt he belonged there for reasons beyond his offensive numbers :o

[Dark Donnie]

Wow what a game in Philly tonight. down 8-1, and 10-2 and one point we fought back....couldn't finish though losing 10-9 :( ....Adam Eaton sucks btw.

[Spidey-Bat]

Tony Armas shouldn't even be on the 40-man roster let alone pitching. I have no clue why no lefty was brought in to face Jenkins or Howard before their homers. Way too many foul balls allowed by the Mets pitching. Still, the Mets won which is the 3rd straight series against they have won against the Phillies.

[Dark Donnie]

Tony Armas shouldn't even be on the 40-man roster let alone pitching. I have no clue why no lefty was brought in to face Jenkins or Howard before their homers. Way too many foul balls allowed by the Mets pitching. Still, the Mets won which is the 3rd straight series against they have won against the Phillies.

WHat is up with Billy Wagner? He stinks of late....

[NewYorkSpider]

Rockies continue their surge to the top of the NL West. Anyone see them winning the divison?

[Spidey-Bat]

WHat is up with Billy Wagner? He stinks of late....

He's a stupid hick with no guts. He's Bizarro-Rivera.

[NewYorkSpider]

Kuroda has a perfect game through 7 IP. He's on my fantasy team. :up:

[Panophobia]

Kuroda has a perfect game through 7 IP. He's on my fantasy team. :up:

Not anymore. :yay:

[Nightmare]

Spider you cursed it!!!!

[Nightmare]

Wow, Kuroda finishes with a 1 hitter. 1 batter above the minimum.

[Go Web Go!]

Nice to see the Marlins take the first game after a rough 4 gamer. Would have liked to have seen Nolasco get the complete game.

[Spidey-Bat]

The Cubs get Rich Harden and Chad Gaudin for P Sean Gallagher, OF Matt Murton, OF Eric Patterson, and catching prospect Josh Donaldson.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8325774/Cubs-land-pitcher-Harden-from-Athletics?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49

[Kingfish]

It's always nice when your main division rival trades their ace pitcher.:yay:

[Spidey-Bat]

Bad move for the Cubs. Harden's velocity was down 4-7mph in his last start. He's gonna be on the DL at least twice.

[Kingfish]

You'd think the Cubs would know a thing or two about injury-prone flamethrowers but oh well...

[Dark Donnie]

Everyone talks about Santana and his run support....they had a stat line last night. In Cole Hamels 6 loses he's gotten 2 runs or less support.

[Spidey-Bat]

In 8 of Santana's starts, he's gotten an average of 2 runs or less of support. He got the L in 7 of those games and the Mets have lost all of them. In 2 of those games, he got 3 runs and 1 run, the rest he got only 2 runs.

[Raiden]

In 8 of Santana's starts, he's gotten an average of 2 runs or less of support. He got the L in 7 of those games and the Mets have lost all of them. In 2 of those games, he got 3 runs and 1 run, the rest he got only 2 runs.

Twins probably gave Santana better run support, with players not making the kind of money Mets are paying for theirs.

[Dark Donnie]

In 8 of Santana's starts, he's gotten an average of 2 runs or less of support. He got the L in 7 of those games and the Mets have lost all of them. In 2 of those games, he got 3 runs and 1 run, the rest he got only 2 runs.

Hamels run support is identical (1.5 actually over an 8 game span where he lost or ND), he's lost 6 of those starts and ND in a handful of others. Hamels got 2 runs twice, 1 run once, and no runs twice (4,4, and 3 in the othes)

[Captain Planet!]

The Bloe Jays won on a walk-off error by Freddy Bynum......


If this doesn't make the Orioles start looking for an everyday Shortstop, nothing will.

[Immortalfire]

Bloe Jays? LoL

[omid17]

Damn Angels lost in the 9th :(

[Nightmare]

Angels lost? nice.

[Kingfish]

F***ing Josh Hamilton...

Damn lead-off walks will kill you K-Rod...

[Kingfish]

Angels lost? nice.

Go watch Andruw eat a cheeseburger.

[Excel]

I wish Fran was here so I could make fun of how him for much the Tigers have underpreformed :(

[Spidey-Bat]

They're 2 games over now and just had a walk off win.


Santana finally won. There was a 42 min rain delay after the top of the 5th and he didn't come out of the game. It was against the Giants who can't hit a HR in batting practice let alone in a game so the bullpen was able to hold it.

[Nightmare]

Dodgers win again. Tied with Arizona for first.

[Dodger]

Everyone talks about Santana and his run support....they had a stat line last night. In Cole Hamels 6 loses he's gotten 2 runs or less support.

In 8 of Santana's starts, he's gotten an average of 2 runs or less of support. He got the L in 7 of those games and the Mets have lost all of them. In 2 of those games, he got 3 runs and 1 run, the rest he got only 2 runs.

I don't want to hear any one ***** about run support. Derek Lowe in his tenure with the Dodgers has around 3 runs per game. In his last 45 starts The Dodgers were shut out 10 times and only scored 1 run 14 times.

Go watch Andruw eat a cheeseburger.

Hey, he;s eating organic cheeseburgers on whoe weat buns know! Thank you very much! :)

Dodgers win again. Tied with Arizona for first.

The kids are starting to come around Why So! There starting to come around! :)

[omid17]

F***ing Josh Hamilton...

Damn lead-off walks will kill you K-Rod...K-Rods only human :cwink:

[BlackLantern]

so why do the Yankees build a promotion around Giambis' lip turd....??

[Spidey-Bat]

I don't want to hear any one ***** about run support. Derek Lowe in his tenure with the Dodgers has around 3 runs per game. In his last 45 starts The Dodgers were shut out 10 times and only scored 1 run 14 times.

Derek Lowe can give up 5+ runs in a lot of games over the course of the year. Santana and Hamels rarely have one of those games. The Mets and Phillies are also better offensive teams and when they don't score runs for their aces, it's more noticeable.

[Immortalfire]

so why do the Yankees build a promotion around Giambis' lip turd....??

Because they're the Yankees

[Spidey-Bat]

Everyone is saying that giveaway is unprofessional and not classy :whatever:

[Captain Planet!]

Because they're the Yankees
Truer words were never spoken.

[Spidey-Bat]

Holliday will replace Soriano in the NL lineup. What an unbiased decision by Clint Hurdle.

[Dark Donnie]

Holliday will replace Soriano in the NL lineup. What an unbiased decision by Clint Hurdle.

Who did you want to see get in? I can think at least three guys that deserve it more then Holliday...

[Spidey-Bat]

Anyone on the final ballot plus Reyes. Hurdle should have waited until the final balloting was done and picked the runner up instead of choosing his guy.

[BlackLantern]

my post got deleted....not cool....anyway....the Mets won again and it's not looking totally hopeless

[Dark Donnie]

Anyone on the final ballot plus Reyes. Hurdle should have waited until the final balloting was done and picked the runner up instead of choosing his guy.

That's where my choice would have came from....

[Dark Donnie]

...
GM: Moises Alou has torn hamstring

General manager Omar Minaya said Thursday that Moises Alou has a torn left hamstring and will likely undergo season-ending surgery.

Alou injured his hamstring Wednesday while playing in a minor league rehab game on his comeback from a strained calf. Even without going under the knife he's probably done for the year. With Alou out of the picture and Ryan Church's status anything but certain, the Mets are definitely in the market for an outfielder. However, Minaya has made it very clear that the team has no interest in Barry Bonds. Jul. 10 - 4:53 pm et

[Raiden]

my post got deleted....not cool....anyway....the Mets won again and it's not looking totally hopeless

Mets just might be able to catch up to Philles yet, but I think in the off-season Omar should try to get players who aren't as injury-prone as Pedro and Alou.

[Nightmare]

Wow, more bad news for the mets.

[DarthRekal]

Dodgers! :up:

[Nightmare]

Dodgers!

[The Dude]

Wow, more bad news for the mets.

My
Entire
Team
Sucks

[Nightmare]

You're a brewers fan. Brewers fans ripping mets fans. What has this come to? Next thing you know rays fans will be talking smack to the yankee fans. Oh wait...

[Dark Donnie]

At least The Mets can move on and make a move instead of waiting for the possibility of him returning.

[The Dude]

You're a brewers fan. Brewers fans ripping mets fans. What has this come to? Next thing you know rays fans will be talking smack to the yankee fans. Oh wait...

The world has gone topsy turvey.

But please Mets, take back Guillmero Mota. We don't want him any more, seeing as i didn't trust putting him in today with a ten run lead:csad:

[Raiden]

My
Entire
Team
Sucks

At least you have CC. :hehe:

[Nightmare]

CC for what 2 and half months?

[BlackLantern]

The world has gone topsy turvey.

But please Mets, take back Guillmero Mota. We don't want him any more, seeing as i didn't trust putting him in today with a ten run lead:csad:

Oh no...you can keep him its ok.....The mets just need to ditch Pedro, Alou, and a good chunk of the bullpen and things will be better next season

[The Dude]

Longoria And Hart win the fan vote


Tampa Bay third baseman Evan Longoria and Milwaukee outfielder Corey Hart have won the final roster spots for the 79th All-Star Game on Tuesday at Yankee Stadium, holding off marquee competition all the way as a record number of votes were cast in the Monster 2008 All-Star Game Final Vote.

The voting began at 3 p.m. ET on Sunday and concluded at 5 p.m. on Thursday exclusively at MLB.com, and ultimately this will be remembered not only for those two young players' selections but also for the amazing participation by baseball fans worldwide. The final vote total was more than half of the entire volume cast in the previous six years of the Final Vote, and it was more than double last year's record of 23.2 million.
Longoria won a close American League race over outfielder Jermaine Dye, who could have become the third White Sox player in four years to win the Final Vote. Yankees first baseman Jason Giambi, despite a high-profile "Support the 'Stache" campaign, finished third, followed by Baltimore second baseman Brian Roberts and Kansas City outfielder Jose Guillen -- all of whom finished with impressive vote totals.
Hart joins fellow Brewers outfielder Ryan Braun on the National League roster, and the way he was supported throughout this process was similar to the way fans pushed Braun from seemingly nowhere into the No. 1 outfield spot late in the starter voting. Finishing a close second to Hart was Mets third baseman David Wright, an All-Star the past two years. They were followed by outfielders Pat Burrell of the Phillies, Aaron Rowand of the Giants and Carlos Lee of the Astros.
There is hope yet of a non-winner from this year's Final Vote ballot making it to Yankee Stadium for the Midsummer Classic. Cubs outfielder Alfonso Soriano, voted in as a starter for the NL squad, will not be able to play because of a fractured hand and will need to be replaced by manager Clint Hurdle of the Rockies. That player could be chosen from among those outvoted by Hart.
Longoria, 22, entered Thursday's action batting .281 with 16 homers and 53 RBIs since his April callup, and on Wednesday he won the AL Rookie of the Month Award presented by Gillette for June. Longoria earned an immediate reputation for clutch hitting, becoming no stranger to walk-off reception parties at home plate. He is synonymous with the 2008 breakout of the Rays, who remain on top of the AL East standings.
"If I get the chance to come here, that would be a dream come true," Longoria said during the Rays' just-completed series at Yankee Stadium.
Hart, 26, is in his second full season with the Brewers, having appeared for parts in 2004-06. He is batting .293 with 14 homers and 56 RBIs, helping the Brewers remain in contention in the NL Central. Baseball is electric there right now, with the addition of left-handed ace CC Sabathia. The club designed a big heart into the dirt behind the batter's box this week, gave candy hearts to fans, and it turned into one of the most successful campaigns in Final Vote history. "The fans have always been great here," Hart said during an online chat on Wednesday. "You look at the support Braunie got, this town is obviously excited about the team and will do anything for us. It means a lot to me and my teammates."


Way to go Corey! WEAR THOSE SUNGLASSES AT NIGHT!

At least you have CC. :hehe:

Damn right we have CC for all of 3 months!

[Spidey-Bat]

Wow, more bad news for the mets.

On the contrary. This is great news. I like Alou, he's a good guy and heck of a player. This is good because the front office can finally stop counting on him to make a significant impact on this team. The only bad thing it does is take away some of what little leverage they had in trying to get a player.

Mets just might be able to catch up to Philles yet, but I think in the off-season Omar should try to get players who aren't as injury-prone as Pedro and Alou.
He will. They'll probably go after Teixeira. Maybe re-sign Pedro since he can be a 4/5th starter. I want to see him go after some blocked young guys, namely a 2B and C.

My
Entire
Team
Sucks

Actually, it's:
Must
End
The
Season

But please Mets, take back Guillmero Mota. We don't want him any more, seeing as i didn't trust putting him in today with a ten run lead:csad:
That's ok, you can keep him.

[Dark Donnie]

How did Hart beat out Burrell and Wright :down:

[Spidey-Bat]

Brewer fans must have been stuffing the ballot box as often as they stuff their faces with beer and bratwurst.

[The Dude]

Brewer fans must have been stuffing the ballot box as often as they stuff their faces with beer and bratwurst.

I only voted 25 times. The face stuffing I did much more of.

[Dark Donnie]

Brewer fans must have been stuffing the ballot box as often as they stuff their faces with beer and bratwurst.

haha...maybe I just don't watch enough Brewers games, but him getting in is suprising to me. I figured if Burrell didn't go it would be Wright, his numbers are real good, not to mention he plays in NY, same can be said about Burrell because he plays in Philly....

[BlackLantern]

Richie Sexson has been released by the Mariners

[The Dude]

Richie Sexson has been released by the Mariners

I still have my Richie Sexson bobblehead in my room...I'm so ashamed:csad:
And also i have the freakin' Lyle Overbay bobblehead

Man those where the lean years.

[NewYorkSpider]

Richie Sexson has been released by the Mariners

Someone will pick him up. Braves could always sign him if they trade Teixeira away. Indians could bring him in if they're not happy with Garko. I think he'll find a home in the next couple of weeks.

[BlackLantern]

the mets could grab him, put him on the bench as a backup OF now that Alou isn't coming back

[Spidey-Bat]

Rather see them get a real OF. They already have 3 infielders playing the OF.

[NewYorkSpider]

the mets could grab him, put him on the bench as a backup OF now that Alou isn't coming back

Yankees are now considering bringing Sexson in. Sexson is hitting great against lefties this season (.344/.423/.623). That's why a lot of teams are looking at him. He would probably split time with Giambi at first or they'll make him a DH against lefties. It really isn't a bad move bringing him in to see how he'll do.

[Captain Planet!]

Cool. We beat the Red Sox. Too bad Markakis' hit streak ended at 17, same as Ellsbury.

[Spidey-Bat]

Mets won their 7th straight. First time they've done that since August 17-24, 2006.

[Showtime]

I think it is a good idea to bring Sexson in to see what he can do, I would mind if the Red Sox brought him in. Worth a shot.

[Spidey-Bat]

8th straight for the Mets. Pedro, Muniz, Heilman, Schoeneweis, and Wagner threw a combined 1-hitter. They're the first team in MLB history (since 1900) to allow 3 hits or less in 5 straight.

[Kingfish]

Kerry Wood out of the All-Star game, only to be replaced by...

Carlos Marmol?

2-3 with a 4.13 ERA Carlos Marmol?

I realize he recieved the highest amount of player votes for relievers, but he hasn't been good for over a month. Ridiculous selection and reeks of just slapping another Cub on the roster.

[Nightmare]

Annoying cubs fans.


Last night, andruw jones struck out 5 times in one game. He reached base on the last strike out. But 5 K's in one game!?!

[Kingfish]

Maybe he should try going to the plate NOT thinking about where he's gonna get his nightly, post-game burrito platter.

[Nightmare]

mmm burrito platter. But since he's came off the DL he lost 10 pounds. It didnt help, he still sucks.

[Excel]

Last night, andruw jones struck out 5 times in one game. He reached base on the last strike out. But 5 K's in one game!?!

That signing has worked outvery well for the Dodgers, hasnt it? :hehe:

[Spidey-Bat]

Kerry Wood out of the All-Star game, only to be replaced by...

Carlos Marmol?

2-3 with a 4.13 ERA Carlos Marmol?

I realize he recieved the highest amount of player votes for relievers, but he hasn't been good for over a month. Ridiculous selection and reeks of just slapping another Cub on the roster.

Marmol hasn't been good since May. I don't get why they didn't add a lefty. Johan Santana is available. What's wrong with him? He's 4th in IP, 5th in ERA, 7th in Ks, and 3rd in H/9.

[Nightmare]

That signing has worked outvery well for the Dodgers, hasnt it? :hehe:

:cmad::o Who's your team?!?

[Spidey-Bat]

The one that gave Julio Lugo a 4 year deal.

[Kingfish]

Marmol hasn't been good since May. I don't get why they didn't add a lefty. Johan Santana is available. What's wrong with him? He's 4th in IP, 5th in ERA, 7th in Ks, and 3rd in H/9.

Glad to see we agree on something. Santana would have been fine on the All-Star team. If they really wanted a reliever, Saito would have been infinitly more deserving than Marmol.

[Nightmare]

Saito! Just more bias against the west coast.

[Kingfish]

Of course. Why should the Dodgers only All-Star be their slightly-overrated catcher with the worst haircut in the Majors?:cwink:

[Spidey-Bat]

Saito just got injured.

[Nightmare]

Of course. Why should the Dodgers only All-Star be their slightly-overrated catcher with the worst haircut in the Majors?:cwink:

Slightly overrated? :cmad:

[Kingfish]

Saito just got injured.

Hmmmmm, so he did. Alrighty then, there are still a bunch of more-deserving relievers.

Slightly overrated? :cmad:

Better then Heavily overrated...

[Excel]

The one that gave Julio Lugo a 4 year deal.

70 rbi in 1st season.

[Nightmare]

Hmmmmm, so he did. Alrighty then, there are still a bunch of more-deserving relievers.



Better then Heavily overrated...

like uh Mike Scisosa?

[Kingfish]

like uh Mike Scisosa?

Come on man, you're a Dodger fan! Spell Scioscia right for crying out loud! Have you no pride or dignity as a fan of the blue?

Try lashing out at someone who may actually be somewhat overrated and I'll take you more seriously.

[Spidey-Bat]

70 rbi in 1st season.

How many runs did his lead glove give up?

[Spidey-Bat]

If K-Rod pitches in the ASG, I hope he implodes. Enough with the war cries after you load the bases and miraculously get the save.

[Kingfish]

I wish I could whole-heartedly defend him, but that kind of behavior irks me too. Still, he did pitch himself out of one hell of a jam (in part due to a highly inconsistent strike zone) by striking the final two batters out. He deserves to let some of that energy out, I just wish he wouldn't behave like a little kid afterwards. Let Joba Chamberlain be the idiot of the league.

[Dodger]

Better then Heavily overrated...

Russell Martin is not overrated. Yeah, his defense isn't what it was last year. But he does lead all catchers in games played so I can see where the errors are coming from. How many catchers do you know play 89 games in the first half? And then for a day off they decide they ant to play 3rd base? Which Russell has done. 6 times.

He's around the top in almost all offensive categories for catchers. His numbers are down from last year just a bit. But he'll turn it around.

I've just been so impressed by Russell. His determination to win is outstanding. I love how he handles our pitching staff and he's a catcher who is a running threat! How many catcher's do you know who can do that!

Russell Martin overrated? No sir. More like the complete package.

like uh Mike Scisosa?

Dude. C'mon. There is no way you can ever call Mike Scioscia overrated. He's the best catcher the LA Dodgers have ever had. (Roy Campenella is the best catcher ever in our organization) It's a travesty that he is coaching the Angels right now. He SHOULD be coaching the Dodgers. But thanks to the FOX corporation who thought he wasn't ready to manage a team, they ran him out of LA and know he has the Angels at where they are at now. What the Angels are right now, is what the Dodgers SHOULD be.

FOX owning the team set us back 10 years and we are barely starting to come out of it know.


Mike, took the Angels from Disney wearing jokes of the MLB to an elite powerhouse. I still dislike the Angels don't get me wrong. (What was wrong with the name Anaheim Angels? Or go back to the California Angels! :cmad:)

But I have nothing for respect for Mike Scioscia. In my eyes he will forever be a Dodger.

[Dodger]

Dodgers win. :) Bills gets 13 k's. Future ace in the making.

[Showtime]

How many runs did his lead glove give up?

His lead glove is weighed down by his World Series ring.

[Kingfish]

See, Dodger knows how to spell Scioscia. True blue fan right there.:cwink:

Russell Martin is a good guy and good player. I don't rate him quite as highly as you, but he is solid. His hair is just nauseatingly ugly.

And, really, I just make fun of the Dodgers to bug WhySoSerious

[Spidey-Bat]

His lead glove is weighed down by his World Series ring.

They won in spite of him. Same goes for Eric Gagne.

[Kingfish]

We call the Gagne and Lugo rings...

"We happened to be lucky enough to get rings cause we were on an incredibly powerful team that was still able to win despite the enormous deficiancies our presence caused. Nyah-nah."

Those kind of rings.

[Dodger]

See, Dodger knows how to spell Scioscia. True blue fan right there.:cwink:

Russell Martin is a good guy and good player. I don't rate him quite as highly as you, but he is solid. His hair is just nauseatingly ugly.

And, really, I just make fun of the Dodgers to bug WhySoSerious

AH. I see.

Btw Martin rocks the post apocalyptic hair cut lol.

Off topic : Does the name LA angels bug you? Do you feel it's disrespectful to the city of Anaheim?

[Kingfish]

Majorly disrespectful to the fans of the team in the area as well as the city. However, I do understand doing something like this to gain notoriety and media-attention, which has worked, even if it is for something as stupid as their ridiculous name.

Do I hate the name change for the same reasons as most Dodger fans? (i.e. "We're the only L.A. team so f*** off.") No. I hate the name change simply because of the disrepect to the vast majority of their fanbase.

[Showtime]

They won in spite of him. Same goes for Eric Gagne.

I know. He sucks, just shows how good they really were last year, and this year. :cwink:

[Excel]

How many runs did his lead glove give up?

Too many. Lugo is terrible; he seems like a chill guy but Lowrie needs to be the starter.

[Spidey-Bat]

Lowrie isn't very good defensively either.

Mets win their 9th in a row. Too bad they can't play tomorrow.

[Spidey-Bat]

Since when did Yankee Stadium become the "cathedral" of baseball? I keep hearing that with the ASG coming up.

[BlackLantern]

I've always heard it referred to in those terms.....

[Nightmare]

See, Dodger knows how to spell Scioscia. True blue fan right there.:cwink:

Russell Martin is a good guy and good player. I don't rate him quite as highly as you, but he is solid. His hair is just nauseatingly ugly.

And, really, I just make fun of the Dodgers to bug WhySoSerious

Come on man, i missed up like one letter. Martin hasnt been rockin that mo-hawk for that long anyway. Remember Speizo's (did i spell that right?) red goatee? Its not that ugly as that.

[Raiden]

Since when did Yankee Stadium become the "cathedral" of baseball? I keep hearing that with the ASG coming up.

Well, the three most storied stadiums in MLB are the Yankees stadium, Fenway Park, and Wrigley stadium, and of these 3 the Yankees stadium is the best among them due to all the legends and WS played there. So I don't think it's far-fetch to call it the "cathedral" of baseball.

[Spidey-Bat]

I've been to all 3 and Wrigley Field blows Yankee Stadium away. Wrigley makes Yankee look like the Vet.

[Nightmare]

No way, we all know Dodger Stadium is the most storied stadium in all of Baseball.

[Spidey-Bat]

Dodger Stadium? Please.

[Nightmare]

It doesnt hold Historical aura?

[Excel]

Am I the only one dissappointed by this years HRD contestants?

[Nightmare]

I stopped watching it all together. It used to be cool, now? not so much.

[Spidey-Bat]

It doesnt hold Historical aura?

It's not the most storied stadium in baseball.

[Raiden]

I've been to all 3 and Wrigley Field blows Yankee Stadium away. Wrigley makes Yankee look like the Vet.

Well, considering all the Hall-of-Famers and World Series who played at Yankees stadium compared to Wrigley, and I'd disagree with you there.

[Raiden]

EDIT: double post

[Kingfish]

Since when did Yankee Stadium become the "cathedral" of baseball? I keep hearing that with the ASG coming up.

I know it was referred to as that at least as far back as 2002. It kept coming up while the Angels were playing them.

Come on man, i missed up like one letter. Martin hasnt been rockin that mo-hawk for that long anyway.

It's Mike Scioscia. Not Mike Scisosa. That looks like more than one letter to me. And twenty minutes is two long for that style.

Remember Speizo's (did i spell that right?) red goatee? Its not that ugly as that.

Nope, it's Spiezio. And it looked like a perfectly normal dyed-red goatee.

No way, we all know Dodger Stadium is the most storied stadium in all of Baseball.

It's got history, but no way is it the most "storied" park of all time. Which is a ridiculous distinction to begin with.

[NewYorkSpider]

It's not the most storied stadium in baseball.

I thought that Shea Stadium should have hosted the All-Star game. I think they've only hosted once. Yankee Stadium has had 4 of them.

[Nightmare]

I know it was referred to as that at least as far back as 2002. It kept coming up while the Angels were playing them.



It's Mike Scioscia. Not Mike Scisosa. That looks like more than one letter to me. And twenty minutes is two long for that style.



Nope, it's Spiezio. And it looked like a perfectly normal dyed-red goatee.



It's got history, but no way is it the most "storied" park of all time. Which is a ridiculous distinction to begin with.

Oh yeah? well uh.. Martin > Mathis and Budde

[Spidey-Bat]

I thought that Shea Stadium should have hosted the All-Star game. I think they've only hosted once. Yankee Stadium has had 4 of them.

I think Yankee should host it this year. However, I think Citi Field should host it next year since Shea hosted it it's first year. However, having the ASG in the same city 2 straight years is the worst thing in the world :whatever:

Well, considering all the Hall-of-Famers and World Series who played at Yankees stadium compared to Wrigley, and I'd disagree with you there.

Yankee Stadium was remodeled in 1973 though. It was a very different park before.

[NewYorkSpider]

I think Yankee should host it this year. However, I think Citi Field should host it next year since Shea hosted it it's first year. However, having the ASG in the same city 2 straight years is the worst thing in the world :whatever:


You could argue why both stadiums deserved an All-Star game. I kinda thought that Shea Stadium should have hosted it since it only had one ASG and it's the last year for it. Yankee Stadium deserved it for the historical significance and it's last year. I agree having an All-Star game in the same city for 2 straight years is pretty dumb.

[Spidey-Bat]

I was sarcastic about it being in the same city for 2 straight years. I don't think it's dumb. It'd be better than having it in St Louis which is a ghost town in the afternoon.

[NewYorkSpider]

I don't like the fact of hosting it in the same city for 2 straight years. I don't really mind St. Louis hosting next season.

Braves offered Teixara for Youkilis and Craig Hansen. They declined.

[Panophobia]

So, who does everyone think will win the Derby tonight?

[BlackLantern]

I thought that Shea Stadium should have hosted the All-Star game. I think they've only hosted once. Yankee Stadium has had 4 of them.

Yea its total crap...She hasn't had the All Star Game since the 70's mean while every new ball park that gets built has gotten the all star game

[Nightmare]

So, who does everyone think will win the Derby tonight?

Arod. Wait who's in it again?

[Panophobia]

Arod. Wait who's in it again?

Let's see...

Chase Utley
Dan Uggla
Ryan Braun
Lance Berkman
Grady Sizemore
Josh Hamilton
Evan Longoria
Justin Morneau

[Spidey-Bat]

Yea its total crap...She hasn't had the All Star Game since the 70's mean while every new ball park that gets built has gotten the all star game

Shea heldit's only ASG in 1964 which was the first year it opened. Johnny Callison hit a walk off 3 run homer to win it for the NL. Juan Marichal got the win.

I don't like the fact of hosting it in the same city for 2 straight years. I don't really mind St. Louis hosting next season.

Braves offered Teixara for Youkilis and Craig Hansen. They declined.

Red Sox were smart to refuse that. Hansen sucks (wasn't he their future closer?) and Youkilis is having a better season offensively.

[Showtime]

Lowrie isn't very good defensively either.

Bringing back John Valentin seems like a better option than Lugo right now

Mets win their 9th in a row. Too bad they can't play tomorrow.

What was their last manager's name again?

[Nightmare]

Let's see...

Chase Utley
Dan Uggla
Ryan Braun
Lance Berkman
Grady Sizemore
Josh Hamilton
Evan Longoria
Justin Morneau

Im gonna say Longoria

[Captain Planet!]

Camden Yards is the most storied stadium in baseball!





























I wish.

[NewYorkSpider]

So, who does everyone think will win the Derby tonight?

I'm gonna say Grady Sizemore

[Spidey-Bat]

I think Hamilton will win the Derby.

Bringing back John Valentin seems like a better option than Lugo right now
True that. I've read Omar Vizquel is a possibility. I'd like to see him on a contender. He's a HoFer.

What was their last manager's name again?
Their current manager is Jerry Manuel. Their previous manager was Willie Randolph.


BTW, you guys should check out the prices for the ASG on StubHub.
http://www.stubhub.com/mlb-all-star-game-tickets/mlb-all-star-game-7-15-2008-418757/

[Showtime]

True that. I've read Omar Vizquel is a possibility. I'd like to see him on a contender. He's a HoFer.

That would be a treat. I've heard that as well. Although I think Lowrie and Cora are serviceable.

Their current manager is Jerry Manuel. Their previous manager was Willie Randolph.

I was being sarcastic, Manuel is fired up and these Mets are on fire.

[BlackLantern]

because Jerry Manuel will ****ing cut you.....that keeps people in line