Official 2008 MLB thread

[Dodger]

What's wrong with LaRoche?

His sideburns.

No, he's just in a slump and not hitting well. But I think the Dodgers are going to keep him for next year with Dewitt at 2nd.

[Captain Planet!]

Finally, the O's sunday losing streak is over.

[NewYorkSpider]

Sounds like Manny is trying to punch his ticket out of Boston...

I doubt he'll be traded. Boston really can't afford to lose his bat. He's gone after the season though.

[Spidey-Bat]

I wonder if they'd try to do a 3-team deal and get someone like Matt Holliday or Jason Bay if another team was willing to take Manny. Or just trade Manny and then go after Holliday or Bay.

[NewYorkSpider]

I think it would most likely be a trade for Jason Bay. The Rockies have asked a few teams about starting pitching. That pretty much sums up that they don't think they're too far back in the divison. Not sure if the Mets would get into a 3-team deal for Manny. The Phillies came up as a possible trade partner. I really doubt that anything happens with him.

[Spidey-Bat]

They quickly debunked their interest in Manny. Mets told Heyman they don't want him.

[Excel]

The Sox would be idiots to trade Manny right now we are just getting Ortiz back and with out Mannys bat, forget the loss in production; Ortiz looses protection, and a team would idiots to trade FOR him right now. Its be a very expensive 2 month rental for a decent player who would likely start ****.

That said, Ima be PISSED if he is traded. Even when Nomar was traded I KIND OF understoof but this? Unlike Nomar, Manhy for the mast part has produced and stayed healthy. Manny been my fave baseball player since 1995; him coming to the Sox was utterly absurd. Only psosible thing that could match that in my excitment would be something like LeBron joining the Celtics.

After such a loveable and hot start in April where everybody was all over him, its gone so far down hill...

:csad:

So much for my MVP prediction :csad:

[Dark Donnie]

I wonder if they'd try to do a 3-team deal and get someone like Matt Holliday or Jason Bay if another team was willing to take Manny. Or just trade Manny and then go after Holliday or Bay.

I doubt Holliday is getting moved now....also I don't want Manny, Burrell has been better this year.

[Spidey-Bat]

http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/torre_on_trade_possibilities.html

Apparently the Dodgers "are on the verge" of trading 3B Andy LaRoche to the A's for RP Huston Street.

Ned Colletti is a dumbass. What's next? Kemp and Ethier for Javier Vazquez?

[NewYorkSpider]

Dodgers need to trade for a bat. They could trade for Teixeira, but they probably would have to give up Loney.

[Dark Donnie]

http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/torre_on_trade_possibilities.html

Apparently the Dodgers "are on the verge" of trading 3B Andy LaRoche to the A's for RP Huston Street.

Ned Colletti is a dumbass. What's next? Kemp and Ethier for Javier Vazquez?

:csad:..funny there was a thread on another forum I go to titled worse GM Sabean or Colletti....this trade puts Colletti even closer to the win. Huston Street is average at best, another Billy Beane robbery IMO.

[NewYorkSpider]

Mariners are asking for Melkey Cabrera and Brett Gardner for Jarrod Washburn. Cashman isn't going to trade both of them. Yankees may make a last minute move for Paul Byrd if the Washburn trade talks doesn't get anywhere.

[Spidey-Bat]

:csad:..funny there was a thread on another forum I go to titled worse GM Sabean or Colletti....this trade puts Colletti even closer to the win. Huston Street is average at best, another Billy Beane robbery IMO.

Sabean is still worse than Colletti, but he's trying his best to make it to the top of the list. Ed Wade, Kenny Williams, Pat Gillick, Neal Huntington, and John Daniels are bad as well.

[Excel]

"I can play in Iraq if need be"

:hehe: :hehe:

Oh Manny...we love ya; just keep going 3-5 with couple rbis n runs against the Yankee's and addin gto your all time post season home run total :up:

[Spidey-Bat]

Manny probably couldn't pick Iraq out on a map.

[Darthphere]

He'd be with the majority of Americans sadly on that one.

[Dark Donnie]

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Raul Ibanez-OF-Mariners Jul. 28 - 11:26 am et

New York Newsday reports that "the Mets appear to have the most interest in" Raul Ibanez.

The newspaper notes that the Mets aren't likely to acquire Manny Ramirez, but are interested in Ibanez despite the fact that "the Mariners' asking price has been too high." A report on SI.com speculated that the Mariners have asked for pitching prospect Jon Niese.
Source: Newsday
Related: Mets

[Dark Donnie]

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Raul Ibanez-OF-Mariners Jul. 28 - 11:26 am et

New York Newsday reports that "the Mets appear to have the most interest in" Raul Ibanez.

The newspaper notes that the Mets aren't likely to acquire Manny Ramirez, but are interested in Ibanez despite the fact that "the Mariners' asking price has been too high." A report on SI.com speculated that the Mariners have asked for pitching prospect Jon Niese.
Source: Newsday
Related: Mets

[Spidey-Bat]

http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/torre_on_trade_possibilities.html

Apparently the Dodgers "are on the verge" of trading 3B Andy LaRoche to the A's for RP Huston Street.

Ned Colletti is a dumbass. What's next? Kemp and Ethier for Javier Vazquez?

This rumor seems to have disappeared. Good thing for the Dodgers.

[Dark Donnie]

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Rosenthal's Latest: Teixeira, Fuentes, Laird
By Tim Dierkes [July 28 at 11:45am CST]
Here's Ken Rosenthal's latest.

Rosenthal firmly believes the Braves will find a match on a Mark Teixeira trade. He finds the D'Backs and Angels as the most reasonable fits. ESPN's Keith Law says the Braves have spoken to at least four teams about Tex within the past two days.
Despite yesterday's "highly unlikely" comment from Dan O'Dowd, Rosenthal says the Rockies would trade Brian Fuentes for a young MLB-ready starter.
It's still possible that the Mets stand pat on a corner outfielder and just deal with it internally or make a minor trade in August.
Rosenthal talked to one club official who finds a 50% chance of Gerald Laird or Jarrod Saltalamacchia being traded before the deadline. The Rangers want young pitching.

[Spidey-Bat]

I don't think Teixeira will be traded. Braves want Jackson but he's the Dbacks best young hitter. Angels never trade their prospects and they've practically won the division already.

[Dark Donnie]

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Manny Ramirez-OF-Red Sox Jul. 28 - 3:50 pm et

Phillies GM Pat Gillick says that his team is not interested in acquiring Manny Ramirez.

"At this point, there’s no interest on our part," Gillick told the paper. "We have no place to play the guy." Both the Phillies and the Mets have now publicly denied interest in Ramirez, and the Dodgers and Diamondbacks remain as rumored suitors.
Source: New York Times
Related: Diamondbacks, Dodgers, Mets, Phillies

Mark Teixeira-1B-Braves Jul. 28 - 4:18 pm et

FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal believes that the Braves will ramp up efforts to trade Mark Teixeira after losing their series against the Phillies this weekend.

Rosenthal doesn't cite one of his "sources," so this seems to be a bit of speculation on his part. He suggests the Red Sox, Angels, Diamondbacks, Rays, Dodgers and Yankees as potential destinations, although he admits none are a perfect fit.
Source: FOXSports.com
Related: Angels, Diamondbacks, Red Sox, Dodgers, Rays


Jason Bay-OF-Pirates Jul. 28 - 4:12 pm et

A deal that would have sent Jason Bay to the Braves for four minor league prospects was reportedly nixed by Pirates owners.

MLB.com Braves beat reporter Mark Bowman suggests the deal would have included Brent Lillibridge, Brandon Jones, a Class A pitcher and one more positional player. Bay is owed $7.5 million during the final year of his contract next season.
Source: mlb.com
Related: Braves

[Kingfish]

The Angels won't trade Kotchman for two months of Texeira. They would only consider it if they worked out a contract extension, which won't happen because of Boras.

[Dark Donnie]

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Mark Teixeira-1B-Braves Jul. 28 - 5:58 pm et

Yahoo! Sports' Steve Henson reports that negotiations between the Diamondbacks and Braves are "pretty far along."

Henson believes the Braves are asking for either Conor Jackson or Chad Tracy, plus a prospect. Jackson is likely off the table, but if the Braves are willing to accept Tracy as the centerpiece of a deal, then the Diamondbacks have to seriously consider making the trade. Still, it could come down to the prospect. The Diamondbacks don't have much to offer besides Max Scherzer and Jarrod Parker after giving up a big portion of their system for Dan Haren, and it's doubtful that they'd part with either right-hander.
Source: Yahoo! Sports
Related: Conor Jackson, Chad Tracy, Diamondbacks

[Nightmare]

Why would the D'Backs do that for 2 months of Tex?

[Dark Donnie]

They'd probably want a window to work out a deal

[Spidey-Bat]

There won't be a window. He's a Boras agent so he will hit the FA market.

I doubt Teixeira will get moved.

[NewYorkSpider]

If the D-Backs trade Conor Jackson away for Mark Teixeira then they're idiots. Jackson has better numbers then Teixeira. I think it's gonna end up being Chad Tracy plus a prospect if a deal gets done.

Posada has season-ending surgery.

[Dark Donnie]

There won't be a window. He's a Boras agent so he will hit the FA market.

I doubt Teixeira will get moved.

I think he gets moved...in the end Atlanta would rather take a less offer then nothing at the end of the season.

[Spidey-Bat]

If the D-Backs trade Conor Jackson away for Mark Teixeira then they're idiots. Jackson has better numbers then Teixeira. I think it's gonna end up being Chad Tracy plus a prospect if a deal gets done.
I think he gets moved...in the end Atlanta would rather take a less offer then nothing at the end of the season.
I don't really know if Tracy and a prospect (most likely not a pitcher) are the equivalent of two draft picks which is why I think they end up keeping him.

Posada has season-ending surgery.
Smart move. No sense is losing a several months in two seasons.

[Dark Donnie]

I don't really know if Tracy and a prospect (most likely not a pitcher) are the equivalent of two draft picks which is why I think they end up keeping him.


Smart move. No sense is losing a several months in two seasons.

I gotcha...good point

[NewYorkSpider]

Just heard the Red Sox are intrested in Tejada.

[Immortalfire]

Tex probably to be traded, Chipper and Hudson go on the DL... (http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/braves/stories/2008/07/28/hudson_chipper_dl.html)hopeless are we.

[Kingfish]

Angels just jumped on Dice-K. Kotchman with a two run shot and Hunter with a three run.

[NewYorkSpider]

Yankees getting killed tonight.

[Spidey-Bat]

Brian Schneider's defense is so overrated.

[Showtime]

Just heard the Red Sox are intrested in Tejada.

Question is, does that point to a trade involving Manny?

[Excel]

Lets hope not. Nobody we can get now could come close to replacing Manny, hell nobody we get this off season could.

[Dark Donnie]

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Tim Hudson-S-Braves Jul. 28 - 11:48 pm et

An MRI on Tim Hudson's elbow revealed ligament damage that could sideline him for the rest of the season.
Hudson still believes he could have pitched through it, but the best move for the Braves now would be to shut him down for the year. Tommy John surgery isn't yet being talked about, but there's always that fear. Hudson will be looked at by Dr. James Andrews later this week.

[Showtime]

I'd be suprised if they traded him, but they aren't going to be picking up that option.

[rdh007]

Lets hope not. Nobody we can get now could come close to replacing Manny, hell nobody we get this off season could.

I don't think that's the point in a Man-Ram trade. The point is to get some value for him before dumping him. But I could be wrong.

[NewYorkSpider]

Question is, does that point to a trade involving Manny?

I've now been hearing that the Red Sox don't have any intrest in him. With Lugo going on the DL, they probably had intrest in a SS. They also had a scout in Houston this week which is probably where the rumors started.

[Excel]

We'll see.

In April, it seemed certain Manny is staying.

In July, it seems certain he is going.

How will it be in October? Who knows. If he keeps his mouth shut, plays and plays well, and is his usual clutch self in October, it will be a toss up.

Picking up Manny's option will be much bigger than Manny himself. Theyll need to find a replacement. The starting outfield will not be Crisp, Elsbury, and Drew. Hell niether Coco or Elsbury really hit well enough to warrant starting.

If they cant find a right handed power hitter they're happy with, it'll be awefuly tempting to keep Manny for 2009,especially if we find success in October. For as annoying as he is, they know they wont be able to win if they dont have somebody atleast close to his caliber, which might be tough to find.

[rdh007]

Lets hope not. Nobody we can get now could come close to replacing Manny, hell nobody we get this off season could.

I don't think that's the point in a Man-Ram trade. The point is to get some value for him before dumping him. But I could be wrong.

[Excel]

I don't think that's the point in a Man-Ram trade. The point is to get some value for him before dumping him. But I could be wrong.

You dont dump one of the leagues most feared hitters. The only way they will trade him is if the team gets better from it.

[Darthphere]

Just got back from the Marlins-Mets game. How awesome of an 8th inning, nothing like running out Mets fan from your home turf.

[Spidey-Bat]

Just got back from the Marlins-Mets game. How awesome of an 8th inning, nothing like running out Mets fan from your home turf.

I'm sure the you and the other 6 Marlins fans were pumped after that inning.



New Teixeira reports. One from Rosenthal and a more recent (by minutes) one from Olney.

Rosenthal says Dbacks have a deal centered around Chad Tracy. Micah Owings and a prospect (not Scherzer or Jarrod Parker) could be included. Dodgers and Orioles also inquired. The Dbacks would not try to re-sign Teixeira after the season.

Olney's is the same but he doesn't say Owings could be in it. He says it could be done tomorrow.

[Darthphere]

I'm sure the you and the other 6 Marlins fans were pumped after that inning.

Surprisingly enough, there were was a pretty good number of fans tonight, dare I say by my count we actually may have outnumbered the Mets fans.

[Spidey-Bat]

New Teixeira reports. One from Rosenthal and a more recent (by minutes) one from Olney.

Rosenthal says Dbacks have a deal centered around Chad Tracy. Micah Owings and a prospect (not Scherzer or Jarrod Parker) could be included. Dodgers and Orioles also inquired. The Dbacks would not try to re-sign Teixeira after the season.

Olney's is the same but he doesn't say Owings could be in it. He says it could be done tomorrow.

Now it sounds like the D'backs and Braves aren't agreeing on a deal for Teixeira. One writer says the Angels, Rays, and Yankees are more likely to acquire him.

Angels don't want to trade Kotchman and the Braves don't like Morales so they're not really likely, IMO. Rays could move Pena to DH and put Teixeira at 1B. However I would think they'd want pitching. They could move Pena but they just extended him. Yankees make no sense. They have 3 guys to play 1B (albeit not well). Their offense is really the least of their worries even after a 13-4 loss.

[NewYorkSpider]

The Yankees pitching has been pretty solid as of late. Not sure what happened to Mussina tonight. Mussina, Petitte, Chamberlain and Rasner have been pitching pretty good this year. Ponson is the only one I don't care for. I'd like for them to get Jarrod Washburn or Paul Byrd and say goodbye to Ponson.

Yankees make no sense to get Teixeira. Dodgers are another team that could land him. If the D'Backs aren't going for the trade, then I suspect that the Rays will be the front runners.

[Spidey-Bat]

Dodgers would be dumb to trade for him.

[Dark Donnie]

Phillies talking with Baltimore for George Sherrill...we'd be giving up Jason Donald(SS)....would not really be a fan of that trade if it went down.

[Spidey-Bat]

Rollins is signed through 2010 with a cheap $8.5M 2011 club option. When could Donald be up?

I'd think they'd want another starter unless they think Happ can fill in.


Heyman is saying the Braves are locked in on the D'backs with the Rays as a back up plan. Difficult to tell who is right. We'll probably hear more tomorrow but I doubt anything happens before Wednesday.

[Nightmare]

Dodgers would be dumb to trade for him.

With Colletti there, anything Dumb could happen.

[Dark Donnie]

Rollins is signed through 2010 with a cheap $8.5M 2011 club option. When could Donald be up?

I'd think they'd want another starter unless they think Happ can fill in.


Heyman is saying the Braves are locked in on the D'backs with the Rays as a back up plan. Difficult to tell who is right. We'll probably hear more tomorrow but I doubt anything happens before Wednesday.

It's more that I think Donald could get us something better, or be apart of a bigger package next year. He's a rising prospect along with Marson. Haven't really heard great things about Sherrill either.


Sounds like the D Backs don't wanna move Jackson or there two pitchers....I really can't see the deal happening without at least one in there.

[Dark Donnie]

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Manny Ramirez-OF-Red Sox Jul. 29 - 12:03 pm et

The Newark Star-Ledger reports that the Mets are interested in Manny Ramirez despite their denial.

The paper reports that the two sides have been in contact, although it's thought that GM Omar Minaya is more interested than team owners. The team is also rumored to be pursuing trades that would "overhaul" their bullpen, including names like Aaron Heilman and Scott Schoeneweis.
Source: Newark Star-Ledger
Related: Scott Schoeneweis, Aaron Heilman, Mets

[Spidey-Bat]

I highly doubt the Mets are getting Manny. The bullpen overhaul makes sense. They've been very streaky this year.

[Dark Donnie]

Jayson Stark says The Phillies are on the verge of getting Ron Mahay....


Tim Hudson-S-Braves Jul. 29 - 12:46 pm et

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports that Tim Hudson could require Tommy John surgery on his damaged ligament.

Hudson is scheduled to meet with the Braves' orthopedist on Wednesday and then fly to Birmingham to see the dreaded James Andrews. Tommy John surgery would cost him most of 2009, and Hudson and the Braves have a mutual option for 2010.
Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution

[Dark Donnie]

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Manny Ramirez-OF-Red Sox Jul. 29 - 1:37 pm et

SI.com reports that the Dodgers and Red Sox are currently having discussions about Manny Ramirez.

The talks are said to be in the early stages, and there are said to be a number of obstacles that still need to be cleared. The Red Sox are probably looking for Matt Kemp or Andre Ethier, and the Dodgers would like to rid themselves of Andruw Jones' salary.
Source: SI.com
Related: Andre Ethier, Andruw Jones, Matt Kemp, Dodgers


Ron Mahay-R-Royals Jul. 29 - 1:14 pm et

ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reports that Ron Mahay could be on the verge of being traded to the Phillies.

The two clubs have been having extensive talks involving shortstop Jason Donald. Donald has followed his breakout season of 2007 with another nice year at the plate (.308/.388/.509), but projects to have limited range as a shortstop and could be moved to second base.
Source: ESPN.com
Related: Phillies

[Dark Donnie]

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Mark Teixeira-1B-Braves Jul. 29 - 1:51 pm et

FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal reports that the Angels and Diamondbacks are vying for Mark Teixeira.

The Angels are reportedly interested in making the deal even bigger and acquiring a lefty reliever like Will Ohman or Mike Gonzalez. The Angels deal is thought to center around Casey Kotchman, and the Diamondback's offer is thought to start with Chad
Source: FOXSports.com
Related: Chad Tracy, Casey Kotchman, Angels, Diamondbacks

[Captain Planet!]

If we don't trade Sherrill for a good young shortstop, every Orioles fan in the world will be pissed at MacPhail.

[Nightmare]

Ohhhhhh yesss, ethier and Andruw Jones for Manny Ramirez!!!!!! Oh pleeze! ( ya right but i can dream!)

[Spidey-Bat]

Donaldson for Mahay? That's stupid. Sherrill is a much better option.

Why would the Dodgers want to get rid of Andruw Jones' contract? :whatever:

Surprised the Angels are willing to trade Kotchman.

[Dark Donnie]

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Manny Ramirez-OF-Red Sox Jul. 29 - 4:22 pm et

The New York Post believes the Red Sox and Dodgers are still talking about a deal that would send Manny Ramirez to Los Angeles, with the cash to cover his salary, in return for Matt Kemp or Andre Ethier.

Boston would likely prefer Kemp, who is both more talented and a better fit for a lineup that would get awfully lefty heavy with Ethier. Of course, it's possible they'd just flip the one they received to the Braves as part of a Mark Teixeira deal. The most likely scenario has nothing getting done at all. For what it's worth, no one in Boston or Los Angeles has suggested there's much going on here. FOXSports.con's Ken Rosenthal believes the Dodgers are focusing on landing a shortstop.
Source: New York Post
Related: Andre Ethier, Matt Kemp, Dodgers

[fu manchu]

Sources: Braves deal Teixeira to Angels for Kotchman

One of the biggest names bandied about as Thursday's trade deadline approaches has found a new home.

Sources close to the situation told ESPN.com's Jayson Stark on Tuesday that Atlanta Braves first baseman Mark Teixeira is headed to the Los Angeles Angels for Casey Kotchman and minor league pitcher Steven Marek.

Kotchman was pulled off the field during pregame warmups at Fenway Park on Tuesday afternoon, further fueling speculation that a deal was in place.

Teixeira was traded to the Braves from the Texas Rangers in a deadline deal last season, but he is in the last year of his contract. With Atlanta falling out of contention, it seemed logical that the team would try to move him.

The switch-hitting Teixeira is batting .283 with 20 home runs and 78 RBIs this season.

Kotchman, who is known as much for his defense at first base as his bat, is batting .287 with 12 homers and 54 RBIs for the first-place Angels.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3510042

[Spidey-Bat]

Angels must be going for the jugular. I guess they're tired of being swept by the Red Sox in the first round.

[Nightmare]

Pretty suprising the Angels were willing to deal Kotchman for 2 months of tex.

[Dark Donnie]

Suprised they parted with kotchman

[Spidey-Bat]

Guess this means they're finally willing to give Kendry Morales a chance to start.

[Captain Planet!]

Daniel Cabrera gets thrown out for hitting A-Rod. That ump is an assburger.

[Spidey-Bat]

Cabrera is a punk though. He was trying to go after Gary Sheffield last year twice in one game.

[NewYorkSpider]

The ump doesn't have to give anyone a warning. A home-plate umpire is watching where the pitcher throws through the whole game. Cabrera probably wasn't throwing inside much. If he feels like it was intentional, then he throws them out.

[Spidey-Bat]

The Angels won't trade Kotchman for two months of Texeira. They would only consider it if they worked out a contract extension, which won't happen because of Boras.

Wonder if Kingfish found out yet.

[NewYorkSpider]

That's pretty funny.

[Spidey-Bat]

Heyman was on one of SNY's shows earlier today. I tivo'd it and watched it tonight and he said the Angels will probably enter the bidding for him. So it could be the Angels, Yankees, Mets, and Orioles all vying for him. I don't see the O's being successful though.

[Nightmare]

Wonder if Kingfish found out yet.

Bwahaha, thats great.

How many homers does tex have right now?

[Spidey-Bat]

20. He should be good for another 10.

Just saw these on Yahoo. Pretty cool
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AjweYGEBVBN1spJhIw5pXfwRvLYF?slug=ys-teixeirareport072908&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AjkYbopgBKxQkH6z3k8qV0MRvLYF?slug=ys-kotchmanreport&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Dark Donnie]

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Report: Pirates, Rays deep in talks over Bay

The Pittsburgh Post Gazette reports that the Pirates and Rays "are deep into trade talks" over Jason Bay.

The newspaper notes that "no truly elite prospect is being offered for Bay," but "that has not stopped management from entertaining offers." However, an unnamed sourced guessed that there's a "better than 50-50" chance of Bay remaining in Pittsburgh beyond the trading deadline. Jul. 30 - 10:33 am et
Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

[Spidey-Bat]

Yankees acquired C Ivan Rodriguez. For who is unknown. I'm a bit suspicious since this is from Buster Olney.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3511535


Marlins are close to getting Mariners RP Arthur Rhodes.

Bay could be heading to the Rays.

Will Ohman will very likely be dealt.

[Dark Donnie]

^^...I was just about to post the pudge news :cmad:

[Darthphere]

Yankees acquired C Ivan Rodriguez. For who is unknown. I'm a bit suspicious since this is from Buster Olney.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3511535


Marlins are close to getting Mariners RP Arthur Rhodes.

Bay could be heading to the Rays.

Will Ohman will very likely be dealt.

Who are the Marlins trading? Jacobs?

[Spidey-Bat]

^Hanley Ramirez or Dan Uggla

Also, according to Jon Heyman the Phillies and Marlins are in on Manny Ramirez. Philly is treating it as a salary dump and isn't offering much. Marlins are serious. Jeremy Hermida would probably be in the deal. Heyman said the Mets aren't interested but might bid since those two teams are. However, Manny may not want to go to New York b/c of the attention.



BTW, Yankees gave up Kyle Farnsworth for Rodriguez.

[Darthphere]

^Hanley Ramirez or Dan Uggla

Also, according to Jon Heyman the Phillies and Marlins are in on Manny Ramirez. Philly is treating it as a salary dump and isn't offering much. Marlins are serious. Jeremy Hermida would probably be in the deal. Heyman said the Mets aren't interested but might bid since those two teams are. However, Manny may not want to go to New York b/c of the attention.

The Marlins are not going to send Hanley out for Ray Rhodes, Uggla on the other hand....Jesus that would suck. :csad:

[Spidey-Bat]

I'm pulling your leg. It'd cost a mid-level prospect.

[Darthphere]

I'm pulling your leg. It'd cost a mid-level prospect.

You better be. I can't believe that the Marlins would give up on Uggla that quick, I mean, we keep Kevin Gregg around right?:csad:

[Dark Donnie]

Yeah, where Manny's value is right now. his value can't be more then a prospect and a starting position player. Not to mention he will only agree to a trade if the team getting him agrees to not excercise his option.

[Dark Donnie]

Ok so I was wrong...the offer is Hermida, Allison, and another prospect

[Excel]

Hanleys the only player the Sox hould have any interest in in Florida. The word from Florida is the Sox might keep him and pick up his option and THEN trade him while picking up some of his salary. It would essentially be like getting Manny Ramirez for say, 10 million a season. The Sox could get a lot more for him that way.

[NewYorkSpider]

This is from John Perrotto at Baseball Prospectus.

Multipe baseball sources say the Red Sox are on the verge of sending disgrunted left fielder Manny Ramirez to the Marlins in a trade for a package of three players that included low Class A Greensboro outfielder Mike Stanton, an 18-year-old who is hitting .275/.351/.569 with 26 home runs in 96 games.

I'm now hearing that a three-way trade with the Red Sox, Marlins and Pirates is being thrown around. Ramirez would go to the Marlins, while Jeremy Hermida would go to the Pirates, and Jason Bay would go to the Red Sox.

[Spidey-Bat]

Mets should be on this 3-team deal, not the Marlins.

[Nightmare]

Dodgers should be in this 3- team deal, not the Marlins.

[Spidey-Bat]

Ned Colletti would be giving up Matt Kemp, James Loney, and Chad Billingsley.

[Nightmare]

Why you gotta insult me?

[Darthphere]

Mets should be on this 3-team deal, not the Marlins.

What the hell does this mean?

[Spidey-Bat]

The Mets should be getting Manny, not the Marlins.

[Poeman]

los mets and manny sounds perfect

right omar?


btw my boys from bronx just pulled another gamebreaker....man i truly love this trade!....Ivan is a hero, did i say he is a winner?

[Darthphere]

The Mets should be getting Manny, not the Marlins.

Manny doesn't want to go to New York.

[Spidey-Bat]

It was a dumb trade, they needed relief pitching more than a catcher.

[Poeman]

It was a dumb trade, they needed relief pitching more than a catcher.

:whatever:

like you wouldnt trade farn**** for ivan rodriguez

[Spidey-Bat]

No, I wouldn't. Despite Farnsworth's reputation, he's having a good season. They already have a patchwork bullpen outside of Marte and Rivera. You don't need an offensive catcher to go far in the playoffs.

[Darthphere]

****, the Marlins making that trade makes a lot more sense than us getting Manny.

[Poeman]

No, I wouldn't. Despite Farnsworth's reputation, he's having a good season. They already have a patchwork bullpen outside of Marte and Rivera. You don't need an offensive catcher to go far in the playoffs.

we also have veras, ramirez, and when kennedy or hughes is back they will take long relief...

youre obviously a frustrated fan that hates the yankees....seriously farnsworth and a good season?...hes been medicore at best, and what are the yankees going to do with molina in the playoffs?

he looks like he needs to lay off the nachos

[Darthphere]

He's a catcher, they're like the only dudes which its ok to be fat.

[Spidey-Bat]

we also have veras, ramirez, and when kennedy or hughes is back they will take long relief...
Kennedy and Hughes sucked when they were up here. I wouldn't put much faith in Ramirez, he had a 8 ERA last year. Veras had a 5.79 ERA last year. Wouldn't be surprised if they turned back into pumpkins.

youre obviously a frustrated fan that hates the yankees....seriously farnsworth and a good season? hes been medicore at best

Frustrated? Hardly. I don't have high standards. I'll take a reliever with a 3.65 ERA.

and what are the yankees going to do with molina in the playoffs?
Play him. He'll do better than A-Rod for sure :o

[NewYorkSpider]

Here's the latest update on the FLA-BOS-PIT trade.


Marlins get Manny Ramirez, one prospect (BOS), and cash (likely Ramirez’s remaining salary)
Pirates get Jeremy Hermida and three prospects (two FLO, one BOS)
Red Sox get Jason Bay and John Grabow

[Captain Planet!]

Here's the latest update on the FLA-BOS-PIT trade.


Marlins get Manny Ramirez, one prospect (BOS), and cash (likely Ramirez’s remaining salary)
Pirates get Jeremy Hermida and three prospects (two FLO, one BOS)
Red Sox get Jason Bay and John Grabow
Trade... Too... Complicated... for brain..

[Excel]

C'mon...please dont trade Manny. Hes got 2 monster months left. :csad:

[Spidey-Bat]

2 monster months? You mean 2 months of "My knee hurts today" whenever a good pitcher is pitching.

[Excel]

2 monster months? You mean 2 months of "My knee hurts today" whenever a good pitcher is pitching.

Manny is playing for money, it is a contract year. You can bet yo ass he'll be in there. Manny is exactly right when he says the Sox are trying to paint him as the bad guy and your comments a perfect example. The word from within the Sox was that Manny knee was infact bothering him for a while, and he waited to Ortiz came back to ask for a day off. :rolleyes:

This aint how one of our all time greats is supposed to go out :(

[Spidey-Bat]

"The Red Sox don't deserve a player like me. During my years here, I've seen how they have mistreated other great players when they didn't want them to try to turn the fans against them. The Red Sox did the same with guys like Nomar Garciaparra and Pedro Martinez, and now they do the same with me. Their goal is to paint me as the bad guy. I love Boston fans, but the Red Sox don't deserve me. I'm not talking about money. Mental peace has no price, and I don't have peace here."

[Showtime]

HA HA. I feel so sorry for poor poor Manny...

[Excel]

This is ridiculous. Theyre trying to prove a personal point at the teams expense. If they trade Manny today, they will not make the playoff's. Steve Phillips agrees. This would be an idiotic move on Theos part of epic proportions. If you want him gone, than dont pick up his damn option, but we need him now, and ****ing Jason Bay isnt gonna replace him. I dont even wanna know what Ortiz thinks because the fact is, he knows hes probably next.

[NewYorkSpider]

I'm pretty much hearing that a deal IS going to get done. It's now the question of when. I think Manny played his last game in Boston tonight.

[Excel]

Which is ****ing great. ****in Theo Epstein just threw away our season because he wanted to make a point to a player. Real ****ing great. It doesnt matter how slow he runs or if his knee hurts, WE CANT WIN THIS SEASON WITHOUT HIM.

We just got our Manny-Papi duo back and Epstein wants to perminatly abolosh it. All these stupid Boston fans and writers and putting the way manny plays the game as more important than how he produces; or in other words, the way the team plays (hard, hustling) is more important than winning, if given the chouce which with Manny, we are.

Though of course, the big thing is, Manny has to waive his no trade clause.

Thank god th ePats are starting up soon; this is gonna probably be an ugly August and September.

[NewYorkSpider]

There's still a slight chance that the deal falls through, but it seems more and more likely that all the teams involved are getting what they want. I think Pittsburgh was upset about something, but they got it worked out. Even if Pittsburgh drops out, another team could get involved or the Marlins/Red Sox could just trade players.

And Excel, you should hold off on what you say about Theo Epstein. What if Jason Bay comes in and helps the Red Sox take back over the divison. The Red Sox have lost 5 of 6. I think it's all because of the Manny situation. This deal could be gold for the Red Sox.

[Spidey-Bat]

If they trade Manny today, they will not make the playoff's. Steve Phillips agrees.

You stop right there. Phillips is a dumbass. You need to wake up and smell the coffee. Manny is fixated on money and only money. When a player is essentially on strike because he's not getting what he wants, it's time to kick his ass out on the curb. Even if he's the best player on the team, it doesn't help when he's not playing.



I think this deal will fall through. I think Pittsburgh is going to be unhappy with the return they get for Bay and Grabow. They're better off trading them to the Rays.

[Kingfish]

Okay, I was wrong about Teixeira. It's so out of character for the Angels, I really didn't think they'd trade Kotch. I was mistaken.

I don't know if it was the Manny distraction or not, but the Red Sox looked pitiful in that series.

[Nightmare]

Dont worry kingfish. If the Red Sox Play the angels in the playoffs, the angels will bow down once again.

[Kingfish]

You never know. The Angels have their number right now.

I'm too tired to think up something bad to say about the Dodgers (painfully obvious as it may be), so I'll let Tracy Ringolsby do it:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8394930/Angels-willing-to-win-at-any-cost

[Nightmare]

Dude, i love your hate for the dodgers. What makes it even better and funnier is that most of it is true.

[Dark Donnie]

I'd take 2 months of Jason Bay and Grabow over Manny at this point......Marlins probably did the worst of all the teams involved...

Report: Griffey deciding on deal to White Sox

Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com reports that Ken Griffey Jr. is deciding whether or not to accept a trade to the White Sox.

Griffey has the right to block any trade, but he figures to be a free agent this winter anyway and moving to a first-place team would seemingly be plenty enticing. However, with Jermaine Dye and Carlos Quentin in the outfield corners and Jim Thome at designated hitter the White Sox don't have anywhere to play Griffey unless they move him back to center field, which would be plenty ugly defensively while also requiring reduced playing time for Nick Swisher or Paul Konerko. Jul. 31 - 8:37 am et
Source: FOXSports.com

Marlins about to send Mike Jacobs to SF for Bengie Molina

[Dark Donnie]

...
Report: Odds of Manny deal '50-50'

Jayson Stark of ESPN.com quotes "an official" from one of the three teams involved in the rumored Manny Ramirez swap as saying that the odds of a deal are "50-50."

Stark reports that Marlins outfield prospect Mike Stanton is not in the trade "although Boston asked for him" and notes that despite previous indications John Grabow would actually be headed to Florida rather than Boston. Jul. 31 - 9:18 am et
Source: ESPN.com

[Spidey-Bat]

Griffey to the White Sox is dumb. Watch Kenny Williams traded Clayton Richard (one of their best pitching prospects).

I'd take 2 months of Jason Bay and Grabow over Manny at this point......Marlins probably did the worst of all the teams involved...
Bay isn't a FA this year. Not sure about Grabow. Red Sox are hosing the Pirates.

Marlins about to send Mike Jacobs to SF for Bengie Molina
Good trade.

Okay, I was wrong about Teixeira. It's so out of character for the Angels, I really didn't think they'd trade Kotch. I was mistaken.
I wasn't trying to stick it to you. I was surprised because of how uncharacteristic it is for the Angels.

[Darthphere]

Jesus Mike Jacobs? That's my dawg. :( Not surprised though.

[FaT_tONle]

:whatever:

like you wouldnt trade farn**** for ivan rodriguez

Yanks bullpen is shot... I am sorry but that's not a good trade... they already have a suspect backend rotation and I don't expect them to add another fourth or fifth starter.

And Manny isn't going anywhere unless the Sox get a power outfielder who can help them this year. I don't know what the Marlins are even thinking looking into a guy like that.

[Darthphere]

I don't know what the Marlins are even thinking looking into a guy like that.

$$$$$$

Attendance ^^^^^

Star Power ++++++

[BlackLantern]

could he become a nuisance to the point where the Red Sox would release him outright?

[Erzengel]

Well technically, they'd be getting Ramirez for free? The Red Sox would be paying the remaining $7 million for him to do 2 months in Florida. After Florida since they won't be looking to pay next year's $20 million, Ramirez would be a free agent and I wouldn't be surprised if the El Mets tried to get him.

[Darthphere]

Everything I read is that the Marlins would pay like $7 million of his contract and get cash from Boston, which we assume is part of Manny's salary.

[FaT_tONle]

Why would the Marlins get rid of their best prospects for a rental? Now I don't know who they have signed long term... but I am sure they'll be losing their current batch of pitchers and position players in a couple of years once their contracts are up. Makes no sense. Plus they need bullpen help more. The years that they won championships they had multiple veterans. One veteran isn't going to put them over the top.

[Darthphere]

Why would the Marlins get rid of their best prospects for a rental? Now I don't know who they have signed long term... but I am sure they'll be losing their current batch of pitchers and position players in a couple of years once their contracts are up. Makes no sense. Plus they need bullpen help more. The years that they won championships they had multiple veterans. One veteran isn't going to put them over the top.

The Marlins have one of the best farm systems in the majors, IMO, only the Twins have a better one. They can afford to lose some prospects if it means winning today. Hell, we drafted Johan Santana, lol.

[TLH]

All I can say is that if the Red Sox acquire Bay in the Manny deal, then they pretty much replaced his offense. It's a brilliant move if they can pull it off. At this point Manny isn't going to give you any offense that Bay can't replace (30 HR, 100 RBI or so). Bay is still relatively young at 29 as well. He can fill an offensive void for another 5 years if the Red Sox acquire him and resign him. He'd fit in perfect with Ortiz, Drew, and Lowell as the team's power hitters.

[FaT_tONle]

The Marlins have one of the best farm systems in the majors, IMO, only the Twins have a better one. They can afford to lose some prospects if it means winning today. Hell, we drafted Johan Santana, lol.

So Manny is gonna help their pitching??? If they have the best farm they should have went after some bull pen help... Gregg is a joke.

[Captain Planet!]

Andy MacPhail says (about trading) "I don't see anything on the horizon," MacPhail said. "That could change with a phone call, but I see nothing on the horizon for now."



....... WHAT THE HELL?! ****ing dumbass.

[Darthphere]

So Manny is gonna help their pitching??? If they have the best farm they should have went after some bull pen help... Gregg is a joke.

Josh Johnson is solid, we're getting Annibal Sanchez back tonight, now if Scott the Tasered and Nolasco could get consistent then we have a pretty good rotation. The bullpen, well other than Gregg who I still don't know why he has the closer role to this day you got a lot of solid guys Nelson, Pinto, Waechter. What we need is a catcher.

[Spidey-Bat]

Anibal Sanchez isn't anything special.

[Darthphere]

Anibal Sanchez isn't anything special.

He just has a career record of 12-4 and threw a no hitter.:huh:

I mean, I'm not expecting Sandy Koufax, but he's a solid 12-15 win guy.

[Spidey-Bat]

He just has a career record of 12-4 and threw a no hitter.:huh:

I mean, I'm not expecting Sandy Koufax, but he's a solid 12-15 win guy.

So? David Wells threw a perfect game and his ERA was always around 4.

Sanchez is a #4 starter.

[Darthphere]

So? David Wells threw a perfect game and his ERA was always around 4.

Sanchez is a #4 starter.

Yeah, but how many wins does David Wells have? And I never said he was #1 starter or anything to that effect. Look dude, you have this pension of downplaying everyone using stats that favor you to show how much you think a player stinks. It's rather annoying. It's like no player is good enough for you.:huh:

[Spidey-Bat]

Yeah, but how many wins does David Wells have? And I never said he was #1 starter or anything to that effect. Look dude, you have this pension of downplaying everyone using stats that favor you to show how much you think a player stinks. It's rather annoying. It's like no player is good enough for you.:huh:

Wells averaged 14 wins a season but he had the fortune of playing for the Blue Jays, Yankees, and Red Sox during their best years.

I don't think Sanchez stinks. I just don't think he's going to make the impact you think he will.

[Excel]

So we're gonna be losing Manny Ramirez, 2 prospects, and 9 million dollars for in exchange for Jason Bay?

Are they serious? They better throw in Hanley Ramirez instead of Bay otherwise this deal is absolutley horrible for Boston.

[Spidey-Bat]

They're also getting Grabow. You're an idiot if you think the Marlins would trade their franchise player.

[Excel]

They're also getting Grabow. You're an idiot if you think the Marlins would trade their franchise player.

:hehe:

Of course they arent trading Hanley, the deal is just ridiculously one sided against Boston.

[Spidey-Bat]

Which is why Gammons is saying the deal is close to dead.

[Dark Donnie]

:hehe:

Of course they arent trading Hanley, the deal is just ridiculously one sided against Boston.

Your just in love with Manny:cwink: Boston getting Bay and Grabow would have been better off then with Manny.

[Spidey-Bat]

Manny deal is dead.

[Excel]

The one for Bay is supposably dead; rumors still have them trading him straight up for JEREMY HERMIEDA :dry:

Theo wtf you doin?!

[Darthphere]

They clearly want to get rid of him, but they don't want to get ripped off either. From what I read The Pirates were asking for more prospects and Boston was like yo homie, we're giving you like 4 already.

[Darthphere]

Frankly, while getting Manny would be cool in a novelty way, I like Hermida so I'm glad he's staying.

[Dark Donnie]

The one for Bay is supposably dead; rumors still have them trading him straight up for JEREMY HERMIEDA :dry:

Theo wtf you doin?!

no....the deal was contigent on Boston getting Bay.

[Excel]

Manny to the Marlins would make them dangerous. Nobody handles being the man of the lineup better than Manny.

[Excel]

no....the deal was contigent on Boston getting Bay.

Not according to Will Carroll.

[Darthphere]

HAHA! The Marlins were asking for a handout. LAWL! I love my Marlins sometimes.

[Spidey-Bat]

Nobody handles being the man of the lineup better than Manny.

When he feels like being in the lineup


Marlins would have had an awful OF with Manny, Ross, and Willingham.

[Darthphere]

When he feels like being in the lineup


Marlins would have had an awful OF with Manny, Ross, and Willingham.

I will not allow you to talk **** about Cody Ross.:cmad:

[Spidey-Bat]

Dodgers are talking to the Red Sox about Manny.

[Dark Donnie]

Not according to Will Carroll.

Every other writer(Gammons, Stark, Rosenthal, Crasnick, Olney) say its dead.

[Excel]

Dodgers are talking to the Red Sox about Manny.

For Matt Kemp :dry:

[Dark Donnie]

For Matt Kemp :dry:

Boston wins that trade. Manny is gone next year no matter what. You get a major league ready talent who will continue to grow. I doubt The Dodgers do that straight up.

[Excel]

They are better off picking up his option after this year and then trading will covering about half of his salary.

[Dark Donnie]

They are better off picking up his option after this year and then trading will covering about half of his salary.

Sounds like Manny wants out of Boston, and they don't want him either.

[Excel]

No he doesnt; Manny will change his mind in a week if he stays. Watch.

[Dark Donnie]

Right now Manny wants to get traded....

[Dark Donnie]

...
According to SI.com's Jon Heyman, the Dodgers are back in on the Manny Ramirez talks, but they're offering Andre Ethier, not Matt Kemp.

This after Heyman said last night that the Dodgers had made it clear they were willing to trade Kemp for Ramirez. The Red Sox would surely prefer the right-handed hitter and are likely to hold out for him. Jul. 31 - 2:42 pm et
Source: SI.com

[Excel]

Doubt it. Its all Boras. Manny could never come up with something like "Mental peace has no price".

[Excel]

Whatttt

[Dark Donnie]

Doubt it. Its all Boras. Manny could never come up with something like "Mental peace has no price".

I doubt it....if it wa all Boras he would want to stay and keep pushing for his option to be picked up. If he would have been traded to Florida they weren't picking up that option, and he isn't likely to see that money in FA.

[Dark Donnie]

...
Report: Rays land Bay for Brignac

A source told MLB.com that the Rays will get Jason Bay from the Pirates for Reid Brignac and Jeff Niemann.

It's a very good trade for the Rays if true. Brignac is one of the game's top infield prospects, but the Rays were able avoid surrendering a second top-notch talent for a player they'd have under control at a very modest price through the end of 2009. If the Pirates trade Bay without getting an outfielder, they could call up Nyjer Morgan to help out. Andrew McCutchen is another possibility, but there's little reason to think he's ready. Jul. 31 - 3:09 pm et
Source: MLB.com

[Excel]

I doubt it....if it wa all Boras he would want to stay and keep pushing for his option to be picked up. If he would have been traded to Florida they weren't picking up that option, and he isn't likely to see that money in FA.

Mannys been pushing for his option to get picked up for the past year. The whole cause of this "Manny vs. the front office" is he was upset they didnt pick up option quick enough like they did with Pedro.

[Spidey-Bat]

The deadline is over. Some deals may have been done that haven't been reported yet.

[Showtime]

Manny has been traded...

[Spidey-Bat]

...to the Dodgers

[Excel]

Mannys gone. Damnit. Nice season :(

[Showtime]

Seems like Bay is coming to the Sox through the Dodgers.

[Excel]

We better have gotten a ****in releaver :(

[Dark Donnie]

Tampa really f'd up

[Excel]

Manny doesnt know about it yet and has to agree.

[Showtime]

Pittsburgh: Hansen and Moss from the Red Sox. Larouche and Minor Leaguer

Dodgers: Manny Ramirez.

Boston: Bay

[Excel]

-Manny Ramirez
-Craig Hansen
-Brandon Moss
-1 prospect
-7 million
+Jason Bay

WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is absolutley HORRIBLE!

[Dark Donnie]

Manny doesnt know about it yet and has to agree.

Jayson Stark said he already agreed to a trade ot a number of teams...this had to be done yesterday and it was. Papers had to be filed by 4 yesterday.


Brandon Moss isn't in the deal I read.

[Excel]

I say again, WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Showtime]

Craig Hansen hasn't shown he can be a major league pitcher, and Brandon Moss would be relegated to a 4th outfielder in Boston. However, it is a lot to give up. They really wanted Manny out of here.

Problem is, where is the bullpen help.

[Dark Donnie]

Craig Hansen hasn't shown he can be a major league pitcher, and Brandon Moss would be relegated to a 4th outfielder in Boston. However, it is a lot to give up. They really wanted Manny out of here.

Problem is, where is the bullpen help.

Suprised Grabow wasn't going your way.....

[Showtime]

Suprised Grabow wasn't going your way.....

I'm suprised as well, I find it almost hard to believe Grabow wasn't involved.

[FaT_tONle]

Yeah Red Sox are done... I think they finish fourth in the division in all honesty... 2006 all over again.

[Excel]

Craig Hansen hasn't shown he can be a major league pitcher, and Brandon Moss would be relegated to a 4th outfielder in Boston. However, it is a lot to give up. They really wanted Manny out of here.

Problem is, where is the bullpen help.

Dont get me wrong, Hansens garbage. But I thought we were gonna ADD an arm, but instead we LOST one? Moss was also a legit good backup.

We gave up WAY TOO MUCH for a guy who hit .247 and 21 homers in a full season in Pittsburg :rolleyes:

[Spidey-Bat]

What the **** are the Dodgers thinking? They have good young talent but want to trade it for a veteran team. Ned Colletti must be fired.

[FaT_tONle]

Sox weren't winning this year anyway so I don't know why Red Sox nation is up in arms... Angels/Yanks.... heck even the Rays are better ball clubs. Theo should be gearing up for 2009.

[Showtime]

Yeah Red Sox are done... I think they finish fourth in the division in all honesty... 2006 all over again.

Or it could be 2004, the year they traded Nomar for players like Cabrera and Doug M. :cwink:

Dont get me wrong, Hansens garbage. But I thought we were gonna ADD an arm, but instead we LOST one? Moss was also a legit good backup.

I liked Moss actually, but I doubt he is even another Murphy. I agree X, they need a reliever.

We gave up WAY TOO MUCH for a guy who hit .247 and 21 homers in a full season in Pittsburg :rolleyes:

Check his stats again, he surely isn't Manny at the plate, but he certainly has a little pop.

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_stats_player.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=424726

[Showtime]

Sox weren't winning this year anyway so I don't know why Red Sox nation is up in arms... Angels/Yanks.... heck even the Rays are better ball clubs. Theo should be gearing up for 2009.

3 games back. They should definately pack it in.

[Dark Donnie]

Dont get me wrong, Hansens garbage. But I thought we were gonna ADD an arm, but instead we LOST one? Moss was also a legit good backup.

We gave up WAY TOO MUCH for a guy who hit .247 and 21 homers in a full season in Pittsburg :rolleyes:

And he had 35 and 109 the year before....

[Dark Donnie]

What the **** are the Dodgers thinking? They have good young talent but want to trade it for a veteran team. Ned Colletti must be fired.

I like the move for them...apparently Laroche has issues with his back and The Dodgers weren't sold. They can plug in Blake DeWitt. They got Manny for free for this season plus the draft picks when he becomes a FA.

[Excel]

I dont see how the Sox didnt get totally screwed today.

Or it could be 2004, the year they traded Nomar for players like Cabrera and Doug M. :cwink:

The prob. is that trade helped em. Nomar couldnt ever play. We didnt get screwed over.

I liked Moss actually, but I doubt he is even another Murphy. I agree X, they need a reliever.

Of course not, but he was a great backup.


Check his stats again, he surely isn't Manny at the plate, but he certainly has a little pop.

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_stats_player.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=424726


He has pop, but he plays in the National League on a garbage team. He isn't Manny at all; he wont be able to protect anybody in our lineup the way Manny did...

So let me get this straight. We're losing Manny Ramirez, a perenial all star and all time post season home run leader, a young flame thrower with control issues, a very solid back up outfielder, 7 million dollars, and 2 1st picks (which we would have had if we didnt trade Manny or pick up his option)...for JASON BAY :huh:

Arod, Soriano, Hanley, Pujols, Howard...they are all worth all of that stuff.

But JASON ****ING BAY :huh:

Sorry, no way to spin it, we gave up WAY too much.

[Showtime]

I dont see how the Sox didnt get totally screwed today.

They wanted Manny out at all costs.

The prob. is that trade helped em. Nomar couldnt ever play. We didnt get screwed over.

There were so many fans up in arms around here, it is revisionist history to think otherwise after the fact.

Of course not, but he was a great backup.

I don't know about great.


He has pop, but he plays in the National League on a garbage team. He isn't Manny at all; he wont be able to protect anybody in our lineup the way Manny did...


Of course he won't be able to protect anybody the way Manny did, he isn't Manny. Face it. Manny didn't want to be here. He was acting like a five year old and the Red Sox had enough.


So let me get this straight. We're losing Manny Ramirez, a perenial all star and all time post season home run leader, a young flame thrower with control issues, a very solid back up outfielder, 7 million dollars, and 2 1st picks (which we would have had if we didnt trade Manny or pick up his option)...for JASON BAY :huh:

Arod, Soriano, Hanley, Pujols, Howard...they are all worth all of that stuff.

But JASON ****ING BAY :huh:

Sorry, no way to spin it, we gave up WAY too much.

Manny is an awesome hitter, a 1st Ballot HOFamer,...but please let us not put him in the same sentence as players like A-Rod, Hanley, Pujols at this point in their careers. Manny is on the down side of his career.

[Excel]

They wanted Manny out at all costs.

Which is not how you run a business. You dont make personel decisions based personalities; you base them on whats best for what goes on on the field. We didnt improve to day, we down graded A LOT.

There were so many fans up in arms around here, it is revisionist history to think otherwise after the fact.

The problem is Nomar couldnt play. Manny has had a much larger impact this season than Nomar was.


Manny is an awesome hitter, a 1st Ballot HOFamer,...but please let us not put him in the same sentence as players like A-Rod, Hanley, Pujols at this point in their careers. Manny is on the down side of his career.


Of course 1 on 1 Manny isn't, but for everything we gave up we shoulda been getting a franchise changer. Our best hitter, 7 million, 2 1st round picks, Hansen, Moss...FOR JASON BAY?!?!

[Erzengel]

Are you even familiar with Bay's numbers this year? :huh:

[Spidey-Bat]

I like the move for them...apparently Laroche has issues with his back and The Dodgers weren't sold. They can plug in Blake DeWitt. They got Manny for free for this season plus the draft picks when he becomes a FA.

They also got a clubhouse cancer for free and will have to decide how they will split Juan Pierre, Andruw Jones, Andre Ethier, and Matt Kemp between 2 OF spots.

[Showtime]

Which is not how you run a business. You dont make personel decisions based personalities; you base them on whats best for what goes on on the field. We didnt improve to day, we down graded A LOT.

This wasn't based on one year, the guy has been a problem for several years or more. How can you say an one's personality doesn't matter at a place of business? If Manny was an employee at any other place of employment, he would have been fired already.


The problem is Nomar couldnt play. Manny has had a much larger impact this season than Nomar was.


No doubt about it, but obviously they felt that Manny being a cancer in the clubhouse now outweighed his production on the field. They were desperate to drop this guy, look at all they gave up.

Of course 1 on 1 Manny isn't, but for everything we gave up we shoulda been getting a franchise changer. Our best hitter, 7 million, 2 1st round picks, Hansen, Moss...FOR JASON BAY?!?!

I agree they didn't get enough, they should have, at the very least been able to get a reliever. Why do you think there wasn't as much interest in Manny in previous seasons? Remember they placed him on Waivers? NOBODY TOOK HIM. It is his personality, he is a clubhouse cancer.

[Excel]

Are you even familiar with Bay's numbers this year? :huh:

Yes :huh:

[Showtime]

Are you even familiar with Bay's numbers this year? :huh:

I imagine you are talking to Excel, and I bet you are refering to the eerie similarities found in their stats.

[Excel]

This wasn't based on one year, the guy has been a problem for several years or more. How can you say an one's personality doesn't matter at a place of business? If Manny was an employee at any other place of employment, he would have been fired already.

No he wouldnt have; Manny was the guy here. He would be too important to to simply fire.

No doubt about it, but obviously they felt that Manny being a cancer in the clubhouse now outweighed his production on the field. They were desperate to drop this guy, look at all they gave up.

I do, and theyre seriously worse off.

I agree they didn't get enough, they should have, at the very least been able to get a reliever. Why do you think there wasn't as much interest in Manny in previous seasons? Remember they placed him on Waivers? NOBODY TOOK HIM. It is his personality, he is a clubhouse cancer

Nobody took him becvause he was too much money at the time.

[Bim]

-Manny Ramirez
-Craig Hansen
-Brandon Moss
-1 prospect
-7 million
+Jason Bay

WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is absolutley HORRIBLE!
Glad to see someone's as shocked as i am :hehe:

Say what you want about Manny, but the man delivers when you need him, and having Manny and Ortiz back to back was huge. Now they lost that.

As a huge Red Sox fan i hope i'm wrong, but it's gonna be a tougher rest of the season :huh:

[Showtime]

No he wouldnt have; Manny was the guy here. He would be too important to to simply fire.

Obviously Manny isn't the guy, that is why he was traded. The only thing that kept Manny here the past couple years was John Henry, as soon as he ripped on Henry...boom he is gone.

I do, and theyre seriously worse off.

Unfortunately, that isn't how they feel. The numbers this year are a wash between Bay and Manny, if you want to actually look at stats. I wouldn't jump of the Tobin Bridge just yet.

Nobody took him becvause he was too much money at the time.

What about now though? The only serious contenders were the Marlins and Dodgers, only two teams wanted such a great player? Nobody else? Reason is because of his personality, you can't get around it.

[Erzengel]

Yes :huh:
Bay, 111 Hits, 22 HRs, 64 RBIs, .282 Average
Ramirez, 109 Hits, 20 HRs, 68 RBIs, .299 Average

[Spidey-Bat]

Bay isn't going to take himself out of the lineup either.

[Excel]

Bay, 111 Hits, 22 HRs, 64 RBIs, .282 Average
Ramirez, 109 Hits, 20 HRs, 68 RBIs, .299 Average

Risp:
Bay: .216 average
Manny: .309 average

All that matters. Hell have people on base infront of him a lot. He HAS to get it done when it counts. Say what you want about his personality, but Manny got it done, regularly. And in this game thats ALL that matters, and thats all how Mannys stint in Boston should be remembered.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/patsgofor4/Basegirl/manny-1.jpg

[Erzengel]

Fenway is also more of a hitter's park, and defensively, Ramirez only had to cover 300 ft as opposed to Dodger Stadium which I'm wondering if he's going to have more trouble.

[Excel]

And in that lineup he wont be pitched around like he was in Pitts. Like it or not, GM's everywhere are celebrating at the thought of Manny and Papi no longer being together.

Text messages from Papi and Drew express universal dissappointment.

Manny was taking a nap when he heard :hehe:

Damn, Im gonna miss this guy :csad:

http://www.masslive.com/redsox/photos/gallery.ssf?cgi-bin/view_gallery.cgi/mass/view_gallery.ata?g_id=7799&index=1

Thanks for the memories dude :up: :csad:

[Showtime]

All that matters. Hell have people on base infront of him a lot. He HAS to get it done when it counts. Say what you want about his personality, but Manny got it done, regularly. And in this game thats ALL that matters, and thats all how Mannys stint in Boston should be remembered.


He did his part, helped to win two Word Series, his place in Sox history is solidified. However, the reason he was let go was not based on production, it was based on his personality. Manny did not want to be here, why would you as a fan, want him here?

Fenway is also more of a hitter's park, and defensively, Ramirez only had to cover 300 ft as opposed to Dodger Stadium which I'm wondering if he's going to have more trouble.

The circus act is taking to the road. However, I must say, Manny certainly did play the wall very very well. Much better defender at home then on the road.

And in that lineup he wont be pitched around like he was in Pitts. Like it or not, GM's everywhere are celebrating at the thought of Manny and Papi no longer being together.

The only GMs that are celebrating are Theo and his assistants.

Text messages from Papi and Drew express universal dissappointment.

Manny was taking a nap when he heard :hehe:

Damn, Im gonna miss this guy :csad:

According to almost every writer, Drew and Ortiz are in the minority. I'll miss his bat, so will the Red Sox. However, I won't miss Manny.

[Dodger]

All I have to say is : HOLY CRAP!

I can't believe ned colletti did this? No ****ing way! He got manny by just giving up La roche? AND THERE PAYING HIS SALARY! What? Are you serious? Am I dreaming?

Laroche, was a nice player but I think Blake Dewitt is far better. So we still have him and Matt Kemp and Etiher? Thank you god! :)

The OF should be : Manny, Kemp, Ethier.

Pierre and Jones should only play when the 3 have days off. But Jones 18 million dollar contract will force him into the lineup. Eh, whatever. As long as Kemp is in the lineup I'm happy.

Only thing I'm concerned about is Manny's defense. But I think his offense will more than make up for it. I can't believe the Dodgers actually have a threat in the lineup. THE DODGERS!!! WHAT?

Seriously, I can't believe this! And just in time for the series with the Diamondbacks! All we need know is for Penny and Furcal to come back healthy and all of sudden the dodgers are some scary mother****ers.

:D :D :D :D

[Nightmare]

And they only gave up a prospect and Laroache for Manny. Beautiful.

[Kingfish]

Torii Hunter is on fire.

Manny deal was pretty surprising. The Red Sox get rid of the biggest headache in baseball by foisting him on Joe Torre. Kinda poetic.

[Nightmare]

How's Tex doing so far?

[Showtime]

"It's all part of the plan."

I am glad I have Hunter on my fantasy team.

[Captain Planet!]

I can't stand the fact we didn't trade ANYONE. :cmad:

In other news about my beloved team

BALTIMORE -- On Tuesday night, Orioles pitcher Daniel Cabrera was ejected in the eighth inning after hitting the left arm of Yankees slugger Alex Rodriguez.

Cabrera found out that pitch is going to cost him a lot more than he may have thought on Thursday.
Cabrera was suspended six games and fined an undisclosed amount for what vice president of on-field operations Bob Watson referred to in a press release as "intentionally throwing a pitch in the head area" of Rodriguez.
Yankees reliever Edwar Ramirez was suspended three games and also fined an undisclosed amount for committing the same offense one day later, throwing at Orioles first baseman Kevin Millar in the seventh inning at Yankee Stadium -- a pitch deemed to be in retaliation for Rodriguez's plunking one night earlier. The Yankees reliever appealed the suspension, putting the punishment on hold until his case can be heard.
Cabrera and the Orioles were fuming when the hurler was ejected Tuesday night. There had been no warnings issued, but home-plate umpire Chad Fairchild said he felt Rodriguez's home run in his previous at-bat in the sixth served as justification enough that Cabrera was looking for retaliation with the pitch.
"It was tough, because I know everybody in the whole stadium and every player, they know I'm not trying to hit A-Rod," Cabrera said after the game. "So he took me out, and there's nothing I can do."
Orioles manager Dave Trembley was equally mystified and stated his case to Fairchild on the field but it was to no avail.
"He was basing his decision on the previous at-bat that Rodriguez hit a home run and now the very next at-bat we pitched inside to him," Trembley said. "And I said, 'Chad, I have seen a lot of baseball games and the one thing you just did is the one thing we've been trying to avoid. You just let 54,000 people back in this game.' We can agree to disagree on that ... but I would bet the farm that Cabrera wasn't throwing [at him] in that situation."
"My thinking with the ejection is when Alex came to bat the prior time, he had hit a home run," Fairchild said on Tuesday. "And the very first pitch his next at-bat was up towards the head area. I deemed that pitch intentional and I removed Cabrera from the game."
If Cabrera does not choose to appeal the suspension, he will miss his next scheduled start, slated for Sunday, against the Mariners. After Wednesday's game, Ramirez, who was ejected after the pitch to Millar, also insisted that his pitch was unintentional, but Millar wasn't convinced, saying he felt "100 percent" sure that there was intent behind the pitch.
:dry:

[Darthphere]

If it was anyone else, this would not be an issue.

[Spidey-Bat]

I like how Cabrera gets 6 games but Ramirez gets 3 games.

[fu manchu]

damn...i thought dodgers were looking for a SS and/or pitching and they get manny?? Wow. i guess they are okay with Angel Berroa's defense because they can't be happy with his bat. and they will have a much crowded outfield. oh well, they should be able to score more runs with Manny and Blake in the lineup.

[Spidey-Bat]

Nationals released Paul Lo Duca and Felipe Lopez. Wonder if the Dodgers will pick up Lopez for SS. Can't be worse offensively than Berroa.

[Dodger]

Nationals released Paul Lo Duca and Felipe Lopez. Wonder if the Dodgers will pick up Lopez for SS. Can't be worse offensively than Berroa.

Ummm...I'd rather take my chances with an injured furcal who is going to rush back from surgery.


BTW, Manny is going to wear #99 in LA.

[Captain Planet!]

The O's were interested in Lopez about a month ago.

[Dark Donnie]

Manny Ramirez-OF-Dodgers Aug. 1 - 12:12 pm et

The Providence Journal reports that Red Sox GM Theo Epstein met with team veterans on Wednesday, and they told him that Manny Ramirez had to go.
The players were not only tired of Manny's antics and felt that he was a distraction, but they didn't trust that they could count on him during the pennant race. One story in the Boston Herald on Friday quoted a teammate as saying "He just doesn't care." Another Herald story discussed his refusal to visit with young cancer patients, calling him a "bum." It seems most everyone involved with Manny in Boston is happy to see him go.
Source: Providence Journal
Related: Red Sox

Manny is an absolute loser....

[Captain Planet!]

Wow.

[Excel]

Manny is an absolute loser....

:wow:

Whattt? We all Manny can be lazy, but every story we've heard outta Boston about Manny and dealing with fans, charity, ect. such as that above, have always portrayed as a good guy.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/view/2008_08_01_No_Dodging_it:_Manny_Ramirez_just_a_bad __bad_man/srvc=sports&position=0

Sorry, any fan whose followed the Sox would tell you that the image that article paints of Manny isnt accurate. He's an overgrown manchild, Manny doesnt mean harm to anybody. Its all a conspiracy...

http://www.sealclubbers.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/ramirez.jpg

[Spidey-Bat]

Please stop the Manny loving. It only makes you look naive.

[fu manchu]

http://www.sealclubbers.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/ramirez.jpg

the casting for Lucchino is right on. :woot:

[Kingfish]

Seriously, Excel, you're about the only person in the world defending this idiot right now. Let it go, he's a jackass.

[Showtime]

Wow...is Manny Ramirez really wearing #99?

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080801/i/r1228497925.jpg?

By the standing ovation that lasted over a minute long for Jason Bay, doesn't seem like the Red Sox fans are sad to see him go. Although he seems to think they miss him.

"I want to say from the bottom of my heart, I want to thank the fans of Boston," Ramirez said. "I love you guys. You've been with me through ups and downs."

In front of a very large media contingency, Ramirez was also peppered with questions about his controversial departure from the Red Sox. He didn't bite.

"Boston is in the past," Ramirez said. "When people ask about Boston I put my brain on pause."

Specifically, he was asked about reports that Red Sox veterans voted to trade him.

"I'm not going to waste any energy when people talk like that," he said. "I want people to judge me on what I do here, not what I did in Boston."

His agent, Scott Boras, offered the following comment on Manny's departure:

"In Boston, the fans, the organization, and the teammates were never an issue," Boras said. "He preferred another city along the lines of the lifestyle he had in Cleveland."

Don't let the door hit you on the way out #99.

[cyborg ninja 14]

When people ask about Boston I put my brain on pause."


Must be some Memory sensor trigger erase thingy...

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/9/9d/200px-Eraser_Poster.jpg

BTW: Hey Everyone. It's been a while.

[Dark Donnie]

When people ask about Boston I put my brain on pause."


Must be some Memory sensor trigger erase thingy...

http://www.impawards.com/1996/posters/eraser_ver1.jpg

BTW: Hey Everyone. It's been a while.

I was gonna post the other day asking where the hell you've been...

[cyborg ninja 14]

I was gonna post the other day asking where the hell you've been...

I've been hanging out with Fran at LSP among other former great Hypsters. I'll be back more consistently now.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Laroche, was a nice player but I think Blake Dewitt is far better. So we still have him and Matt Kemp and Etiher? Thank you god! :)



Andy LaRoche has had good Minor League numbers and is projected to be a good 3B. He only had 68 ABs with the big club

DeWitt on the other hand, has a .688 OPS in 280 career ABs. Is that enough to judge his immediate supremacy to LaRoche who hasn't gotten a chance to show his worth?

It's great to be back:o

[Zero_Vault]

Yeah! Ramirez is ours, ****ers!

BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!!!!!!

Go Dodgers!

[Zero_Vault]

What the **** are the Dodgers thinking? They have good young talent but want to trade it for a veteran team. Ned Colletti must be fired.

Please, you're just jealous.

Those three young kids did nothing for the Dodgers.

[Showtime]

Red Sox won 2-1 in the 12th. Both runs scored by Bay, scored the winning run after hitting a triple with two outs in the 12th. Not a bad night for him, reaching base 4 times.

"Just Bay Being Bay"

http://www.clevelandleader.com/files/MannyRamirez.jpg

[Spidey-Bat]

Please, you're just jealous.

Those three young kids did nothing for the Dodgers.

Yep, I'd love nothing for than a prima donna clubhouse cancer who refuses to see cancer patients, looks like a clown in LF, and pulls himself out of the lineup whenever a good pitcher is opposing him. :whatever:


Andy LaRoche never got consistent playing them. Dodgers are a better team with him for several years than Manny for 2 months.


EDIT: Manny grounded out to SS in his first at bat. How long did it take him to get to 1st? 7 seconds?

[Excel]

Bay had a nice debut. Great catch and nice triple. 2 strike outs...but the pitchers pitched like him they were afraid; good stuff. :yay:

Mannys wearing 99? What happened to 28? :huh:

And when did the dogers get such sweet uni's??

[Spidey-Bat]

Pretty sure that's a BP jersey in that picture.

[NewYorkSpider]

The one time Ponson pitches a great game, we can't score any runs.

[Excel]

Ah, Manny didnt pick the number. He wanted 34. And he got to 1st quite fast, but he was a rtad late to a gapper :hehe:

[Spidey-Bat]

The one time Ponson pitches a great game, we can't score any runs.

Rivera sucks in tie games.

[Nightmare]

Manny, 2-3 with 2 singles so far.

[Spidey-Bat]

Nice hustle of his in the field.

[Nightmare]

who won the yanks game today?

[Nightmare]

Nice hustle of his in the field.

Did the yanks win today?

[Spidey-Bat]

I don't know. The newspaper doesn't come for another 4 hours.

[NewYorkSpider]

Rivera sucks in tie games.

It's getting bad that he can't pitch in tie games. He's still having a great season.

who won the yanks game today?

There's a website called ESPN.com. I think they cover sports. You can check there.

[Excel]

Nice hustle of his in the field.

Nice double playing in the ninth, too :hehe:

[Kingfish]

What a day. A sweet 1-0 victory. Excel finally relenting on his Manny love. And WhySoSerious asking us for scores, only to be denied yet again.

B-e-a-utiful.

[Nightmare]

What a day. A sweet 1-0 victory. Excel finally relenting on his Manny love. And WhySoSerious asking us for scores, only to be denied yet again.

B-e-a-utiful.

heh. Guess all is well.