Official 2008 MLB thread

[cyborg ninja 14]

i meant that no fielder at any other position was worse than braun was at third. he had the worst fielding percentage of any 3B since 1910. yeah, stats don't tell the whole story, but in this case, they tell more than enough.


I assumed that something to that effect was the case, just too lazy to research it. Still, http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3106779&name=Neyer_Rob&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fesp n%2fblog%2fithere is a valid argument to be made for Tulowitiski as well.

[Spidey-Bat]

Beckett deserved the AL CYA. I'm not counting post-season.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Not sure why there would be any bitterness over Beckett winning, Sabathia had one in most major categories. Not much of a suprise. Although I was hoping Beckett would win it. Sabathia sealed the deal because he was in a playoff battle and he went 3-0 vs Santana.

Yeah, and judging on playoff preformance is pretty irrelevent to regular season awards anyway.

[Showtime]

Beckett deserved the AL CYA. I'm not counting post-season.

Whys that?

[cyborg ninja 14]

Oh wait, I forgot we traded Monroe :up:

Where did the "Farmer" go:huh:

[Spidey-Bat]

Nevermind. I thought Sabathia only pitched around 210 innings.

[Showtime]

Where did the "Farmer" go:huh:

He was traded with Monroe.

[Fran]

Where did the "Farmer" go:huh:

I got promoted to Regional Farming manager.

[Showtime]

So no more free corn?

[Fran]

what?:huh:

[Showtime]

what?:huh:

You didn't get the TPS report? :huh:

[Fran]

no?:huh:

[YsoSerious]

Cubs trade Craig Monroe to twins for player to be named later.How about Tori Hunter?

[Showtime]

no?:huh:

I'd talk to upper management.

[Jerry!]

Cubs trade Craig Monroe to twins for player to be named later.How about Tori Hunter?

Isn't he a free agent?

[Superman79]

Beckett deserved the AL CYA. I'm not counting post-season.


Damn right. Beckett got hosed. :dry::csad:

[Kingfish]

Honestly anyone who thinks beckett actually got ripped off is way too biased for their own good. beckett literally had one more win. thats all he was better at.

and again, for anyone not paying attention, postseason stats do not factor into awards one way or another in any case.

[Spidey-Bat]

Honestly anyone who thinks beckett actually got ripped off is way too biased for their own good. beckett literally had one more win. thats all he was better at.

and again, for anyone not paying attention, postseason stats do not factor into awards one way or another in any case.

They're not biased. You can make a case that Beckett deserved it more. He meant more to his team (Red Sox did not have a #2 who won 19 games), he played in a much more difficult park, and he had to pitch against the Yankees (who are tough to pitch to, Sabathia hasn't since 2002 I think).

A lot of you always say it's east coast bias. It's true, the players here get more exposure, but they are under the microscope on a daily basis. The east coast is not for the feint (sp?) of heart.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I got promoted to Regional Farming manager.

Congrats, R.I.P "Farmer" of name:huh:

[Fran]

farmerfran lives in each and every one of us. :o

[cyborg ninja 14]

farmerfran lives in each and every one of us. :o

And an unexplainable love for Michigan based teams:csad:

[NewYorkSpider]

it looks like the yanks signed another foolish contract. they'll end up regretting it in two years when they're paying $13 for a 38 year old platoon catcher hitting .250 with 10 homers.


He won't be our starting catcher in two years. The idea for the extra years was for him to be a DH much like Bernie Williams was. When the Yanks have a night game then play again the next day at 1:00, he will be able to play those to give whoever our catcher is a rest. Also he would play doubleheaders. The contract should have been 3 Years for $30M though, but given his good season the only way he would sign was to get more money.

[Fran]

And an unexplainable love for Michigan based teams:csad:

Except for:
-Lions
-Michigan

[cyborg ninja 14]

Except for:
-Lions
-Michigan

Ok, then Tigers, MSU, Rams. Right?

[Fran]

Tigers, Wings, Rams, MSU, Pistons.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Just wondering, why the Rams and not Lions?

[Fran]

Kurt Warner used to be my local grocery store's bagboy.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Kurt Warner used to be my local grocery store's bagboy.

Really, how long ago was this?

[Fran]

i was joking :o

[NewYorkSpider]

Kurt Warner used to be my local grocery store's bagboy.

And Matt Millen was the manager. :o

[sinewave]

He won't be our starting catcher in two years. The idea for the extra years was for him to be a DH much like Bernie Williams was. When the Yanks have a night game then play again the next day at 1:00, he will be able to play those to give whoever our catcher is a rest. Also he would play doubleheaders. The contract should have been 3 Years for $30M though, but given his good season the only way he would sign was to get more money.

I hadn't thought about the DH possibility. That will probably extend his career, but he's probably never going to top this year's production.

[cyborg ninja 14]

i was joking :o

It could've happened:csad:

[cyborg ninja 14]

And Matt Millen was the manager. :o

Janitor mabye?

[Fran]

No, that was John L. Smith.

[Showtime]

Kurt Warner used to be my local grocery store's bagboy.

Why did he never put two and two together and put a bag over his wife's head? :huh:

[NewYorkSpider]

Janitor mabye?

True. He always has to mop up the messes he makes.

[NewYorkSpider]

Blue Jays might persue Roger Clemens and/or Andy Pettite.

Good luck with that guys. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Spidey-Bat]

To you Yankee fans: What have you heard regarding the Yankees going after Santana?

[NewYorkSpider]

I've been hearing the same thing for over two weeks now. We'd have to give up either Cabrera or Cano and a pitcher(probably Hughes or Kennedy) and another prospect. Trading Cabrera/Hughes/a prospect probably wouldn't cut it. So Cano would likely have to be the one to go. Cano would be a lot better player for them than Cabrera.

[Kingfish]

They're not biased. You can make a case that Beckett deserved it more. He meant more to his team (Red Sox did not have a #2 who won 19 games), he played in a much more difficult park, and he had to pitch against the Yankees (who are tough to pitch to, Sabathia hasn't since 2002 I think).

A lot of you always say it's east coast bias. It's true, the players here get more exposure, but they are under the microscope on a daily basis. The east coast is not for the feint (sp?) of heart.

you can make a case for beckett. however, it is biased to say that beckett got ripped off, because sabathia was just as deserving if not more so. he threw 40 more innings and still had fewer walks and a lower E.R.A. the only thing beckett had going for him was one additional win, which is one of the most overrated stats in sports. statistically, sabathia was the superior pitcher.

and we could go back and forth over who was more "valuable" to their team. thats all a matter of perspective, and it's not what the cy young is really about. hell, i can say lackey was more valuable to his team than either of them. its about the best pitcher, and in the regular season, that was sabathia.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Blue Jays might persue Roger Clemens and/or Andy Pettite.

Good luck with that guys. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

Evidence? Pettitte makes some sense, Clemens should retire.

[NewYorkSpider]

Evidence? Pettitte makes some sense, Clemens should retire.

• Could Roger Clemens be returning to Toronto?

The future Hall of Famer has decided to start collecting some of the $3-million US he’s owed by the Houston Astros, who signed him to a personal-services agreement in 2004. That may mean he’s finally ready to retire, but it could also mean he’ll extend his pitching career for a smaller base salary.

And sources tell me the Blue Jays are seriously thinking of pursuing both Clemens and his pal, Andy Pettitte. (I wonder if they’ll offer Canadian money.)


Scroll down to read the article. (http://metronews.ca/column.aspx?id=89618)

[cyborg ninja 14]

Scroll down to read the article. (http://metronews.ca/column.aspx?id=89618)

Thanks, while were discussing the Blue Jays I came across this http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2007/11/quick_go_trade.php and I'm really impressed.

[NewYorkSpider]

Thanks, while were discussing the Blue Jays I came across this http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2007/11/quick_go_trade.php and I'm really impressed.

It's too bad McGowan is in a divison where there's a lot of hitting. If he pitched in the NL West he would be an outstanding pitcher. Probably a CY Young award winning pitcher. He's still going to be a good pitcher for the Blue Jays though.

[Dark Donnie]

Couple of Rumors


Possible Glavine destinations:Braves, Phils, Mets, Astros, Cardinals, and Nats.

Jason Bay possibly on the move to the Tribe, also possibly Raul Ibanez.

Mets are Interested in Torrealba

Also read that many believe Arod could return to the Yanks...if not it will come down to the Dodgers or Angels, with the loser pursuing Cabrera.

[Showtime]

The Red Sox are opening up the regular season in Tokyo against the Athletics towards the end of March. I believe they are playing two games there, before finishing out the series in Oakland.

[Dark Donnie]

According to the New York Daily News, Alex Rodriguez and the Yankees "have been discussing a deal for the past few days to keep the two-time MVP in pinstripes."

The Yankees were seemingly very clear when they repeatedly said that Rodriguez wouldn't be playing for them again if he opted out of his contract, but the newspaper suggests that they may have changed their mind while stipulating that agent Scott Boras is kept out of negotiations. Rodriguez reportedly "approached the Yankees through a third-party intermediary," but will "have to have person-to-person talks with the Steinbrenner brothers ... before a deal can be sealed." Nov. 14 - 10:07 am et

Heres the story

[Silver Knight]

Wow, didnt see that comeing at all..

[Showtime]

They were talking about the A-Rod news all morning.

[Fran]

It's okay, stay in NY, and choke in the playoffs again.

Because Detroit's loading up once again :up:

[sinewave]

Couple of Rumors


Possible Glavine destinations:Braves, Phils, Mets, Astros, Cardinals, and Nats.

Jason Bay possibly on the move to the Tribe, also possibly Raul Ibanez.

Mets are Interested in Torrealba

Also read that many believe Arod could return to the Yanks...if not it will come down to the Dodgers or Angels, with the loser pursuing Cabrera.

glavine is pretty much worthless at this point. any team that signs him will probably regret it.

bay would be an awesome addition to the indians. he had a bad year last year due to an injury, but when he's healthy he's one of the better hitting outfielders in baseball.

[Showtime]

It's okay, stay in NY, and choke in the playoffs again.

Because Detroit's loading up once again :up:

I don't think he'll go back, I think he knows that he needs a team that will offer him big money to negotiate with other teams. It actually sounds like it's all a ploy by Boras.

[Dark Donnie]

Anyone see DJ Gallo on ESPN talking about Arod....he said Arod is writing a childrens book titled:

2 to 1 "Bases Loaded and Two Outs in October: A Pop-Up Book," by Alex Rodriguez

:)

[Dark Donnie]

I don't think he'll go back, I think he knows that he needs a team that will offer him big money to negotiate with other teams. It actually sounds like it's all a ploy by Boras.

Boras isn't included in the meetings though

[Showtime]

Boras isn't included in the meetings though

Exactly? :huh:

[Jerry!]

Anyone see DJ Gallo on ESPN talking about Arod....he said Arod is writing a childrens book titled:

2 to 1 "Bases Loaded and Two Outs in October: A Pop-Up Book," by Alex Rodriguez

:)

At least he has a sense of humor.

[Showtime]

Anyone see DJ Gallo on ESPN talking about Arod....he said Arod is writing a childrens book titled:

2 to 1 "Bases Loaded and Two Outs in October: A Pop-Up Book," by Alex Rodriguez

:)

That's awesome.

[Dark Donnie]

Exactly? :huh:

I thought you were saying that the rumor of him going back to the Yanks was a ploy by Boras....I was saying that it was reported by the newspaper that he wasn't included in the meetings, and hadn't known that the Yankees were contacted....im confused

[Showtime]

I thought you were saying that the rumor of him going back to the Yanks was a ploy by Boras....I was saying that it was reported by the newspaper that he wasn't included in the meetings, and hadn't known that the Yankees were contacted....im confused

I was saying that Boras told him to go to the Yankees and see what they offer. This way Boras can use it as a negotiating tool with other teams.

[Dark Donnie]

Gotcha

[Dark Donnie]

Mets Close To Deal With Castro

UPDATE, 11-14-07: Ken Rosenthal agrees, it looks like a Torrealba/Castro tandem for the Mets. Interestingly they're expected to split playing time about evenly. Creative!

FROM 11-13-07:

The Associated Press is reporting that the Mets are close to re-signing catcher Ramon Castro. I'd figured Castro would ask for starter money, but maybe not.

The Mets also plan on making an offer to free agent catcher Yorvit Torrealba, according to ESPN Radio (hat tip to MetsBlog). Torrealba currently has a two-year, $6MM offer on the table from the Rockies. If he's a man of his word, he'll give the Rox a chance to match the Mets' offer.

Torrealba and Castro could combine to really shut down the running game, though both had off years in that department in '07. Torrealba's problem can be attributed to a lingering strained shoulder. Castro's, I have no idea.
Here's the Torrealba article

[Spidey-Bat]

glavine is pretty much worthless at this point. any team that signs him will probably regret it.
Would you rather have Tom Glavine for 1 year or Carlos Silva for 4?

[Dark Donnie]

Wedge and Melvin won managers of the year

[sinewave]

Would you rather have Tom Glavine for 1 year or Carlos Silva for 4?

silva, easily. silva's at least a league average pitcher with a few good years left in his arm. glavine's cooked.

[Spidey-Bat]

silva, easily. silva's at least a league average pitcher with a few good years left in his arm. glavine's cooked.

Silva is on the verge of being a project. Think 2006 Oliver Perez with the Pirates. he's awful.

[sinewave]

Silva is on the verge of being a project. Think 2006 Oliver Perez with the Pirates. he's awful.

from espn.com:



Silva has All-Star potential
posted: Friday, November 9, 2007 | Feedback | Print Entry

With Curt Schilling off the market, the No. 1 free-agent starting pitcher is -- believe it or not -- Carlos Silva. Might seem a bit strange, considering that Silva racked up a 5.94 ERA in 2006 ... and he was healthy.

Patrick Sullivan is a bit less than impressed ...

He is a ground-ball pitcher, a good thing by most any account, but his ability to induce ground balls is really the only element of his game that prevents him from being an all-out disaster on the mound. See the following:

YEAR G/F HR ERA+
2004 1.58 23 112
2005 1.55 25 129
2006 1.29 38 75
2007 1.57 20 103

His consistency in 2004, 2005 and 2007 inspire confidence, but his disastrous 2006 shows that Silva walks a fine line on the mound. As you can see in 2006, when the sinker ain't sinkin' and the balls are flying out of the yard, Silva becomes a crummy pitcher pretty quickly. Any team willing to pony up the $30 million-$40 million guaranteed will have to be assured that Silva has become a surefire ground-ball machine, because minus that skill, his effectiveness all but disappears.

The ability to induce ground balls is not the only positive element of Silva's game. Silva never walks anybody. In 2005, he walked only nine batters in 188 innings. Over the last two seasons, he's walked roughly one batter per start. That, as much as all the ground balls, is how he survives. That horrible 2006? That was the exception rather than the rule. He gave up roughly 15 more homers than usual, and he also was "hit-unlucky" (more batted balls dropped for hits than we would have expected). You put Silva on a National League team with a good defense behind him, and he's solid. Give him a few breaks and he's an All-Star.

[Spidey-Bat]

from espn.com:

He says Silva is a ground ball pitcher. However, he gives up a home run about every start. He's awful. Steve Trachsel would be a better signing than Silva.

[sinewave]

you should read the whole thing. neyer makes some good points. he's one of the more intelligent baseball writers around.

[Spidey-Bat]

Edited my post. He's not intelligent if he thinks Silva is even remotely good.

Silva has a .287 BAA and a .304 BABIP (H-HR)/ (AB - SO - HR + SF). He gives up a ton of hits (229 in 200.1 IP). Silva wouldn't even be discussed if every team didn't need SP and the market sucked.

[sinewave]

He says Silva is a ground ball pitcher. However, he gives up a home run about every start. He's awful. Steve Trachsel would be a better signing than Silva.

:huh: he only gave up 20 HRs in 33 starts last year. that's not great, but it's not terrible either.

Edited my post. He's not intelligent if he thinks Silva is even remotely good.

sorry, but i'll take neyer's word over yours since he's got logic and statistical evidence on his side. silva had a lousy year in '06, but every other season he's been around league average or better. he's good for about 180-200 innings, an ERA around 3.70-4.30 and double-digit wins. plus he's only 28. he's no ace, but he's pretty decent #3 or #4 starter.

trachsel's OK, but he's 37 and last year he gave up more walks than strikeouts, had an ERA close to 5 for two straight years, gives up more flyballs than silva and gives up about the same amount of homers on a yearly basis as silva. you're fooling yourself if you think trachsel or glavine are better options at this point in their careers.

[Spidey-Bat]

:huh: he only gave up 20 HRs in 33 starts last year. that's not great, but it's not terrible either.
It is for a groundball pitcher.

sorry, but i'll take neyer's word over yours since he's got logic and statistical evidence on his side. silva had a lousy year in '06, but every other season he's been around league average or better. he's good for about 180-200 innings, an ERA around 3.70-4.30 and double-digit wins. plus he's only 28. he's no ace, but he's pretty decent #3 or #4 starter.

trachsel's OK, but he's 37 and last year he gave up more walks than strikeouts, had an ERA close to 5 for two straight years, gives up more flyballs than silva and gives up about the same amount of homers on a yearly basis as silva. you're fooling yourself if you think trachsel or glavine are better options at this point in their careers.

Glavine is a better option than Silva. Even at 41, he's better than Silva. Silva is only going to get worse. Mark my words. By the 3rd year in his contract he'll be dumped.

[Showtime]

Nobody cares about the Red Sox opening the MLB season in Tokyo vs Oakland huh?

[sinewave]

Glavine is a better option than Silva. Even at 41, he's better than Silva. Silva could easily be replaced by a pitching machine. The pitching machine would probably put up better stats.

not at this point in his career he's not. maybe 5 years ago, but glavine doesn't have much left in his tank. his velocity is way down and it was never great to begin with. it's funny, you claim that silva gave up a ton of homers and hits had a high batting average against, but look how they compared to glavine's numbers last year, with innings pitched, walks and ground ball/fly ball ratios thrown in:


silva: 202(IP) 20(HRs) 229(hits) 36(BBs) .287(BA) 1.57(GB/FB)
glavine: 200.1(IP) 23(HRs) 219(hits) 64(BBs) .281(BA) 1.18(GB/FB)


silva and glavine pitched roughly the same amount of innings last year, and while silva gave up 10 more hits, he walked almost half as many as glavine while giving up fewer home runs and getting a lot more ground balls, all while having to face much better hitters in the AL and playing in a better hitter's park than glavine. like neyer mentioned in his article, throw silva in the NL with a good defense behind him and he's pretty good pitcher, maybe even a fringe all-star.

[sinewave]

Nobody cares about the Red Sox opening the MLB season in Tokyo vs Oakland huh?

i do, but that's a long way off. besides, what time will the games air, 7AM? that's wackyness!

[Showtime]

6am!

[Immortalfire]

Nobody cares about the Red Sox opening the MLB season in Tokyo vs Oakland huh?

Here's my question.....WHY?

[Showtime]

Well the Red Sox are so good, they're trying to even the playing field. This is why they didn't use the Braves?

[Spidey-Bat]

not at this point in his career he's not. maybe 5 years ago, but glavine doesn't have much left in his tank. his velocity is way down and it was never great to begin with. it's funny, you claim that silva gave up a ton of homers and hits had a high batting average against, but look how they compared to glavine's numbers last year, with innings pitched, walks and ground ball/fly ball ratios thrown in:


silva: 202(IP) 20(HRs) 229(hits) 36(BBs) .287(BA) 1.57(GB/FB)
glavine: 200.1(IP) 23(HRs) 219(hits) 64(BBs) .281(BA) 1.18(GB/FB)


silva and glavine pitched roughly the same amount of innings last year, and while silva gave up 10 more hits, he walked almost half as many as glavine while giving up fewer home runs and getting a lot more ground balls, all while having to face much better hitters in the AL and playing in a better hitter's park than glavine. like neyer mentioned in his article, throw silva in the NL with a good defense behind him and he's pretty good pitcher, maybe even a fringe all-star.

Glavine was bad down the stretch and was raped in a lot of games but overall I would still take him over Carlos Silva. I'd rather hope for the best with 1 year of Glavine than have to do the same for 4 years with Silva. He's not a fringe All-Star. No #4 starter ever is a fringe All-Star.

Let's have a bet. I will say Silva will be 13-10 4.57 ERA, 90 K's, 45 BB's, 185 IP, 195 H

[Showtime]

So Silva would be a nice 4th starter...

[sinewave]

Glavine was bad down the stretch and was raped in a lot of games but overall I would still take him over Carlos Silva. I'd rather hope for the best with 1 year of Glavine than have to do the same for 4 years with Silva. He's not a fringe All-Star. No #4 starter ever is a fringe All-Star.

Let's have a bet. I will say Silva will be 13-10 4.57 ERA, 90 K's, 45 BB's, 185 IP, 195 H

glavine was lousy down the stretch because he's 41 and getting worse every day. enough of this "one year vs. four year" business, if i had to chose either pitcher at one year a piece, i'd still take silva.

where a guy pitches in a rotation doesn't have much bearing on his actual performance. wakefield got 17 wins last year as a #4. with the right amount of run support, defense and quality pitching a #4 starter can be as good as another team's #1.

those numbers look about right to me if he stays in the AL. that's basically an average year for him in minnesota. if he goes to the NL with a decent defense behind him, i think his numbers will be closer to:

15-9, 3.85, 100 Ks, 33 BBs, 210 IP, 220 H

So Silva would be a nice 4th starter...

yep, especially in the NL.

[Spidey-Bat]

glavine was lousy down the stretch because he's 41 and getting worse every day. enough of this "one year vs. four year" business, if i had to chose either pitcher at one year a piece, i'd still take silva.
I would too but you can't have him at 1 year. That's why Glavine is a much better option. If he sucks, he's gone at the end. If Silva sucks, get ready for 3 more years of it.

where a guy pitches in a rotation doesn't have much bearing on his actual performance. wakefield got 17 wins last year as a #4. with the right amount of run support, defense and quality pitching a #4 starter can be as good as another team's #1.
That's true with every pitcher.

those numbers look about right to me if he stays in the AL. that's basically an average year for him in minnesota. if he goes to the NL with a decent defense behind him, i think his numbers will be closer to:

15-9, 3.85, 100 Ks, 33 BBs, 210 IP, 220 H
We'll see how it turns out.

[cyborg ninja 14]

A-Rod trying to get back with the Yankees?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3109894
Damn, and I was enjoying the OJ hearings. Thanks a lot A-Rod and/or Yankees.

[sinewave]

I would too but you can't have him at 1 year. That's why Glavine is a much better option. If he sucks, he's gone at the end. If Silva sucks, get ready for 3 more years of it.

silva's only had one bad year, though, so he's not much of a risk. i don't think he should be gettin $12 mil a year, but for $8-$10 mil he's not a bad option for a team looking for a dependable starter.

That's true with every pitcher.

exactly. that negates your point that "No #4 starter ever is a fringe All-Star." but a guy with a good ground ball/fly ball ratio is going to benefit more from a better defense around him than a pitcher who gives up a lot of fly balls, and that's why i said silva could be a fringe all-star in the right situation due to his career GB/FB ratio.

We'll see how it turns out.

yep, and i predict glavine won't make it through the whole season before he throws in the towel.

[Spidey-Bat]

silva's only had one bad year, though, so he's not much of a risk. i don't think he should be gettin $12 mil a year, but for $8-$10 mil he's not a bad option for a team looking for a dependable starter.
He's not getting better I can tell you that.

exactly. that negates your point that "No #4 starter ever is a fringe All-Star." but a guy with a good ground ball/fly ball ratio is going to benefit more from a better defense around him than a pitcher who gives up a lot of fly balls, and that's why i said silva could be a fringe all-star in the right situation due to his career GB/FB ratio.
No, it doesn't. A good defense doesn't get you strikeouts and less walks. Those are the guys who are All-Stars.

yep, and i predict glavine won't make it through the whole season before he throws in the towel.
That's crazier than your Silva predictions.

[sinewave]

He's not getting better I can tell you that.

maybe, maybe not, but he doesn't have to if he moves to the NL. the difference between the leagues will be enough to make him a better pitcher. glavine's definitely not getting better, i can tell you that.

No, it doesn't. A good defense doesn't get you strikeouts and less walks. Those are the guys who are All-Stars.

not necessarily. you can be an all-star without leading the league in strikeouts. all that matters is the results.

That's crazier than your Silva predictions.

we'll see...

[Immortalfire]

Well the Red Sox are so good, they're trying to even the playing field. This is why they didn't use the Braves?

I was referring to the Tokyo part.

[Kingfish]

don't they do it like every year though? trying to make the game more popular in other areas. hell Montreal played like 7 series in Puerto Rico a few years ago...

Silva is by no means as valuable as the contact he'll get, but he's not a terrible starter. the stats that both of you predicted would make him a more than acceptable starter for alot of teams.

still, i'm very happy that my team has a solid rotation right now...

[FaT_tONle]

I swear I will lose all respect or at least the little respect I did have for the Yankees if they make this thing happen... A-Rod is a greedy bastard and knows only the Yanks will go to 29 million minimum... that's why he is doing this... any agent can get him that kind of money from the Yankees. I don't by this whole A-Rod admits he was at fault and wants to give the Yankees an apologetic hug... its a disgrace... did the Eagles take back T.O? Hell no... this is almost the same thing... but something tells me none of us should be suprised... the Yankees want to win... and A-Rod gives them the second best team in major league baseball going into next year instead of fourth or fifth. Guess I just needed to vent... I just can't stand this guy. I am praying he never wins a championship... but with all that pitching coming along... something tells me the Yankees are getting back there sooner than we think.

[Showtime]

I was referring to the Tokyo part.

I know. I was trying to be funny.

I think it's a stupid idea personally.

[Kingfish]

my gut tells me that a-rod talking to the yankees is a negotiating tactic executed by scott boras in order to drive the offer from one of the LA teams up. no one would give a-rod what the yankees initially offered, so if they can get a yankee deal back in the fold, it may force one of the teams to match or exceed that offer. thats what this feels like.

[Dark Donnie]

Yankees have now contacted Lowell

[NewYorkSpider]

I just heard A-Rod is close in signing a 10yr - $280M dollar contract with the Yanks. The deal would have a tons on incentives that would allow it to go well over $300M.

A-Rod Close To $280MM Deal With Yanks
Jon Heyman, Dan Graziano, and Ed Price are reporting it: Alex Rodriguez is nearing a ten-year, $280MM contract with the Yankees. Heyman says the deal would have tons of incentives, allowing it to go "well over $300 million."

And of course, Scott Boras is deeply involved in the negotiations. Covert talks have been going on for days, apparently. Perhaps A-Rod won't be seen as such a villain now. $28MM would be a pretty fair deal for him, maybe even a bargain.

[Dark Donnie]

Report: Yankees in contact with Lowell

The Yankees have been in contact with Mike Lowell's representatives about the idea of him signing to be their first baseman.

If they're hoping to drive up the price for the Red Sox, there's been no sign so far that the team is interested in budging of its current three-year offer. Lowell is a poor fit for Yankee Stadium (plus the new ballpark in 2009 will have similar dimensions) and much of his value comes from the belief that he's an above average defender at third. If the Yankees really want to pay $50 million-$60 million for a 34-year-old unlikely to be much more than an average regular at his new position, the Red Sox should gladly let them and take their first-round pick in return. Nov. 14 - 9:31 pm et

[Fran]

What website are you getting this info from?

[Excel]

4 teams-including the yankees-have offered lowell 4 years at 12 million or more a year.

honestly if thats what it takes...let him go.

[NewYorkSpider]

What website are you getting this info from?


This is from Yahoo Fran. At first I heard $280M, but it might be $275.

Alex_Rodriguez (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Ag2KDELFfgb6.oWeuXiKWSU5nYcB?slug=ti-arodyankees111407&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

[FaT_tONle]

my gut tells me that a-rod talking to the yankees is a negotiating tactic executed by scott boras in order to drive the offer from one of the LA teams up. no one would give a-rod what the yankees initially offered, so if they can get a yankee deal back in the fold, it may force one of the teams to match or exceed that offer. thats what this feels like.

Someone could have came up with 28 mill... its November... lets wait til December before we say every team was pretty much out of the sweepstakes due to the price tag.

[NewYorkSpider]

Some NL rumors I've been hearing.


Matt Clement and the Padres are in talks for a one year deal and incentives
If the Marlins trade away Miguel Cabrera to the Angles they would possibly get 4 players back, but the Angles may want Dan Uggla or Dontrelle Willis also in the deal.
All the Braves would have to do is offer Tom Glavine 1 year for $8 million and he should accpet.
Mets are looking at Dan Haren.

[Spidey-Bat]

Mets are looking at Dan Haren.[/LIST]
Like every potential deal between the Mets and A's, it will likely go no where.

[NewYorkSpider]

I heard the deal could start with John Maine and could include Lastings Milledge and/or Aaron Heilman.

[enterthemadness]

Some NL rumors I've been hearing.

Matt Clement and the Padres are in talks for a one year deal and incentives
If the Marlins trade away Miguel Cabrera to the Angles they would possibly get 4 players back, but the Angles may want Dan Uggla or Dontrelle Willis also in the deal.
All the Braves would have to do is offer Tom Glavine 1 year for $8 million and he should accpet.
Mets are looking at Dan Haren.

See, this is why Loria sucks.

[Showtime]

The St. Louis Cardinals are not interested in Lowell contrary to what has been reported.

[NewYorkSpider]

See, this is why Loria sucks.

Yeah, The Marlins want Howie Kendrick, Nick Adenhart, another pitcher, and an outfielder from the Angles. It's a big deal for one player, but I think it's fair enough.

[Spidey-Bat]

I heard the deal could start with John Maine and could include Lastings Milledge and/or Aaron Heilman.

I doubt Maine would be dealt since they can't spare any of their current starters. If that's what it was going to take to get Haren I would just send that deal to Tampa Bay for Kazmir. Though replace Milledge with a pitcher (probably Philip Humber).

I have this feeling in the pit of my stomach that the Mets' owners are really going to ***k this team's chances of winning multiple WS by being too cheap.

[DarthRekal]

so thats it huh??

after that all that hub-bub

A-Rod's

goin back... yeah respect for him ...declining:cmad:

[Showtime]

So Boras is out of luck on his cut?

[Spidey-Bat]

I still think it's just talk and leverage for the Angels and Dodgers to raise their offers. I have no respect for A-Rod or the Yankees. A-Rod shouldn't have gone begging and the Yankees should have just said "**** You" when he opted out.

[DarthRekal]

:huh: So Boras is out of luck on his cut?


they're sayin its a violation of the bargaining agreement if Boras isnt present.. idk.. im so lost:csad:

[Showtime]

I still think it's just talk and leverage for the Angels and Dodgers to raise their offers. I have no respect for A-Rod or the Yankees. A-Rod shouldn't have gone begging and the Yankees should have just said "**** You" when he opted out.

That was my theory as well. I posted it a page or two back.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I find the whole A-Rod/Yankees thing to be weird as hell. Mabye he figured out that Boras couldn't get a team to give up $350 mil for him?

[Showtime]

maybe he realized Boras is the devil?

[NewYorkSpider]

What else has everyone been hearing about the negotiations? I heard that A-Rod went to the Yankees without Boras and talked to the Yanks. Then I heard that Boras was deeply involved with the negotiations.:huh:

[DarthRekal]

I hear the Yanks want NOTHING to do with Boras...


I hear A-ROD technically hasnt spoken witht he yanks either... just CLOSE ppl have been acting as mediators...


i really dont know but apparently its real close:csad:

[Showtime]

I have no idea man. I am listening to JT The Brick right now.

[cyborg ninja 14]

maybe he realized Boras is the devil?

Boras bit off more than he could chew it seems, which makes sense cause A-Rod is coming off his best(?) season yet. I don't have any issue with him as an agent since it's his job to find the best deal for his clients, and he does it better than most. Look at what he did with Tom Hicks, convincing him to sign A-Rod to that deal in '01, putting the organization in financial hell cause there was no money left, and ended up paying A-Rod not to play in Texas. That right there is one hell of a deal if you're A-Rod and Boras. I think organizations (except for Brian Sabean, I assume Zito was a Boras client?) have learned from that and not wanting to give in to Boras so easily now.

[Kingfish]

Yeah, The Marlins want Howie Kendrick, Nick Adenhart, another pitcher, and an outfielder from the Angles. It's a big deal for one player, but I think it's fair enough.

um bulls***. i'll just say that if the angels even consider sending kendrick, adenhart, and 2 other players for just cabrera, then their new gm is an idiot. kendrick has the potential to be just as good a hitter as cabrera by himself. and he won't eat himself into a dh role in 2 years. god i hope they don't seriously look at that deal....

[Showtime]

4 Teams have offered Lowell 4 - Year Deals as has previously been reported.

Apparently the teams involved are Angels, Braves, Cardinals, and Yankees, although it was also reported the Cardinals are not involved.

[Dark Donnie]

What website are you getting this info from?

Rotoworld...which is reliable

[Ben Urich]

Welcome back, Alex. :up:

[Dark Donnie]

Mets offer Torrealba 2 Yrs 10 million

Phillies pursuing Shawn Chacon

Padres pursuing Geoff Jenkins

[Dodger]

I really hope the Dodgers DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT go after Miguel Caberera. What they are asking for is too much!

[Showtime]

Yankees want Lowell at 1st and Rodriguez at 3rd.

[Showtime]

*Padres want to trade for Jim Edmonds.
*Orioles want to extend the contract of Eric Bedard

[FaT_tONle]

I doubt Maine would be dealt since they can't spare any of their current starters. If that's what it was going to take to get Haren I would just send that deal to Tampa Bay for Kazmir. Though replace Milledge with a pitcher (probably Philip Humber).

I have this feeling in the pit of my stomach that the Mets' owners are really going to ***k this team's chances of winning multiple WS by being too cheap.

Multiple world series??? This is the epitomy of being a Met fan... just like Jet fans... they seem to think they are entitled to championships every few years or so. Can we at least get there first before we talk about being in the Yankees/Sox class?

Now back to the problems at hand... the team needs starting pitching... it also needs bullpen help as well... I haven't really looked at the market but it seems every year that the free agents available in the bullpen are all bums... or you strike gold with a guy for a year or two before he turns into a bum. Beside the bullpen though... the team needs a lock down starter... so you deal a Pelfre Milledge combo for a starter of that class... don't get too down if they trade Milledge... the guy will probably amount to nothing... let the kid go if you can bring in an ace.

[Superman79]

4 Teams have offered Lowell 4 - Year Deals as has previously been reported.

Apparently the teams involved are Angels, Braves, Cardinals, and Yankees, although it was also reported the Cardinals are not involved.

I'm tellin ya, Theo and Co. need to just sack up, give him 3 years gurantteed with a club option for a 4th, and Lowell would be back in a Sawx uni AND give them a hometown discount in a heartbeat. At least from what I've read.

DAMMIT THEO!!! Re-SIGN LOWELL!!!!:cmad:

[Spidey-Bat]

Multiple world series??? This is the epitomy of being a Met fan... just like Jet fans... they seem to think they are entitled to championships every few years or so. Can we at least get there first before we talk about being in the Yankees/Sox class?
Try reading what I wrote. I said the team has a chance to win multiple World Series so long as the front office isn't cheap.

Now back to the problems at hand... the team needs starting pitching... it also needs bullpen help as well... I haven't really looked at the market but it seems every year that the free agents available in the bullpen are all bums... or you strike gold with a guy for a year or two before he turns into a bum. Beside the bullpen though... the team needs a lock down starter... so you deal a Pelfre Milledge combo for a starter of that class... don't get too down if they trade Milledge... the guy will probably amount to nothing... let the kid go if you can bring in an ace.
Scott Linebrink and Francisco Cordero are available. They should go after one of them.

[sinewave]

Scott Linebrink and Francisco Cordero are available. They should go after one of them.

both would help them, but they'd most likely have to pay closer-money for cordero to get him to sign. i don't see him wanting to be a setup guy, though, if he can get as a good a deal somewhere else to close.

[Ben Urich]

Yankees want Lowell at 1st and Rodriguez at 3rd.

That sounds lovely. :yay:

[Superman79]

That sounds lovely. :yay:

Back off pinstripes!!! He's ours!! :cmad: :oldrazz:

[Spidey-Bat]

both would help them, but they'd most likely have to pay closer-money for cordero to get him to sign. i don't see him wanting to be a setup guy, though, if he can get as a good a deal somewhere else to close.

It would cost more money to get him to accept a set up role. That's why Linebrink is the better option. He's declining but he's still better than Guillermo Mota.

[Jerry!]

Barry Bonds indicted on federal charges of obstruction of justice and perjury.

[Spidey-Bat]

That sounds lovely. :yay:

Why would they put the better defensive player at 1B?

[sinewave]

Why would they put the better defensive player at 1B?

it's stupid, i know, but they did the same thing with jeter by leaving him at SS and moving a-rod to 3B.

[Jerry!]

A-Rod probably has final say on that.

[The Apocalypse]

Barry Bonds indicted on federal charges of obstruction of justice and perjury.

What else is new. :whatever:

[jks]

http://www.ktvu.com/news/14606146/detail.html

best news of the offseason.

[Jerry!]

It is new. Breaking news. A lot of people thought nothing would happen or that it would have happened a while ago.

[Excel]

I dont think arod will sign with yankees; excel thinks this is his way in biating other clubs who want him to pay up.

[The Dark Guybrush]

LOL @ Barry Bonds

[The Apocalypse]

Goodbye Mister Bonds!

[The Dark Guybrush]

they must've collected and sorted out a very solid case, a smart move when indicting a person who can afford a decent legal defense team. i can't wait to hear the dirt they've got..

[sinewave]

Barry Bonds indicted on federal charges of obstruction of justice and perjury.

i bet he'll still play next year, though probably not the whole season.

[The Apocalypse]

i bet he'll still play next year, though probably not the whole season.

I don't think anyone will want to sign him after this.

[The Dark Guybrush]

Bonds' "career" = toast

[cookiva]

Yes! Just saw the news!!! First the Sox win the Wolrd Series. Second, Bonds career is bombing....

[sinewave]

I don't think anyone will want to sign him after this.

of course they will. it might effect his price tag, but plenty of teams will want a player who puts up the kind of numbers he does for a one year deal. he already had tons of baggage to begin with, this won't be the nail in the coffin.

[FaT_tONle]

I dont think arod will sign with yankees; excel thinks this is his way in biating other clubs who want him to pay up.

U serious dude? It's pretty much a done deal... Yanks lucked out BIG time... now their lineup is set for the next eight years... they still need protection behind him... maybe Melky and Cano will develop into those guys. Or they'll just dish out the big bucks and bring someone else in one of these years.

[jks]

http://www.ktvu.com/download/2007/1115/14608977.pdf

[Dark Donnie]

Arod Signed finally....10 years $275 million!


Phillies offered Mike Lowell 4 Years 48 million

[Spidey-Bat]

Boston will end up keeping Lowell. They need a 3B and he wants to stay there. Phillies should re-sign Rowand instead since the CF market isn't as thin.

[Ben Urich]

The Barry Bonds news made my day. :yay:

[rdh007]

The Barry Bonds news made my day. :yay:
Seconded

[Dodger]

I...I wow. I'm speechless about the Barry news.

[DarthRekal]

Seconded
Thirdsies :up:

[Ben Urich]

The following is an email I sent to my dad this morning:
Subject:hahahahahahahahahahaha
Body:Boras. HAHAHA!
:o

[NewYorkSpider]

um bulls***. i'll just say that if the angels even consider sending kendrick, adenhart, and 2 other players for just cabrera, then their new gm is an idiot. kendrick has the potential to be just as good a hitter as cabrera by himself. and he won't eat himself into a dh role in 2 years. god i hope they don't seriously look at that deal....

You're in luck. The Angles have reported they don't want to trade for 4 players straight up. If they do however, the Angles would ask for Dan Uggla as well. They're the top contenders for Cabrera now that A-Rod has signed with the Yanks.

[NewYorkSpider]

4 Teams have offered Lowell 4 - Year Deals as has previously been reported.

Apparently the teams involved are Angels, Braves, Cardinals, and Yankees, although it was also reported the Cardinals are not involved.

I have heard that it was just the Yankees that offered him a contract. The Braves, Cardinals and Angles rumor was debunked.

Arod Signed finally....10 years $275 million!


Phillies offered Mike Lowell 4 Years 48 million

I haven't heard that. I heard the Phillies are more focused on pitching rather than Lowell. I'm sure that rumor came from Buster Olney.

Boston will end up keeping Lowell. They need a 3B and he wants to stay there. Phillies should re-sign Rowand instead since the CF market isn't as thin.


I think Lowell will stay with Boston as well. Same deal with Rowand about the Phillies. They're more focused on pitching at the moment.

[Spidey-Bat]

Yep, that Philly offer from Lowell was from none other than Buster Olney. The same guy who said Mark Buehrle was half way to NY for Lastings Milledge in June.

[Fran]

Hahahaha @ Barry Bonds.

[Superman79]

Hahahaha @ Barry Bonds.

agreed:

"*"

[Excel]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/15/sports/baseball/15vecsey.html?em&ex=1195275600&en=6c95cea55a09ea5d&ei=5087%0A

[Fran]

...A-Rod agreed with the Yankees on a new deal.

[Jerry!]

I retract my "he gone" statement.

[NewYorkSpider]

Yep, that Philly offer from Lowell was from none other than Buster Olney. The same guy who said Mark Buehrle was half way to NY for Lastings Milledge in June.


Pat Gillick the GM of the Phillies said "You can't believe everything you see on ESPN.com". I wonder if he was refering to Buster Olney personally?

Phillies (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071115&content_id=2301271&vkey=hotstove2007&fext=.jsp&partnered=rss_mlb)

[omid17]

Barry Bonds is ****ed

[cyborg ninja 14]

How dare Bonds be indicted at the same time A-Rod agrees to a deal with the Yankees. What an upstaging prick

But seriously, the **** really hit the fan this time.

[fu manchu]

:o found this interesting, while reading about Bonds:

So for the next five or six years, the sport of the Black Sox and Pete Rose must endure the shame of having a cheater holding its most hallowed record.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-bondsindictment111507&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Jerry!]

Its their own fault.

[Dark Donnie]

Pat Gillick and Ruben Amaro should be fired.....btw im happy the Lowell rumor is untrue...for the simple fact that 4 years is a long time...

[Kingfish]

You're in luck. The Angles have reported they don't want to trade for 4 players straight up. If they do however, the Angles would ask for Dan Uggla as well. They're the top contenders for Cabrera now that A-Rod has signed with the Yanks.

good. at least that suggests that reagins isn't a total idiot. honestly, a package of brandon wood, nick adenhart, and terry evans should be enough for the marlins. if they absolutely insist on kendrick on top of that, i hope they let the dodgers have him.

and did you know that you always say ANGLE? just curious.

[NewYorkSpider]

good. at least that suggests that reagins isn't a total idiot. honestly, a package of brandon wood, nick adenhart, and terry evans should be enough for the marlins. if they absolutely insist on kendrick on top of that, i hope they let the dodgers have him.

The Dodgers are being asked to give up 4 players as well. I'm not sure how that will turn out. If the Angels(http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif) and Dodgers go out of the running then the 4 teams that could step in are the Red Sox, White Sox, Giants and Indians.


and did you know that you always say ANGLE? just curious.

I never realized I was spelling it wrong untill you pointed it out. :o Thanks.

[Dodger]

I really hope the Dodgers don't get Miguel. They are asking for too much! :cmad:

[Kingfish]

who are they asking for from the dodgers? billingsly, kemp, loney and another pitching prospect? yeah, that is way too much for one player, even one as good as cabrera.

still, i'd much rather have the dodgers fall for that than the angels...

[NewYorkSpider]

I have been hearing some Dodgers rumors that you might want to be intrested in.


The Dodgers may persue Aaron Rowand. This rumor came from Buster Olney so it might not even be true.
Mariano Rivera has told his agents to shop him around. He wants a guaranteed 4 years from the Yankees, but is upset at Hank Steinbrenner for commenting on his age. I don't blame him here. Hank is always coming out with stupid comments. Think before you speak. This is where the Dodgers may step in.
Dodgers are intrested in Eric Bedard

[NewYorkSpider]

who are they asking for from the dodgers? billingsly, kemp, loney and another pitching prospect? yeah, that is way too much for one player, even one as good as cabrera.

still, i'd much rather have the dodgers fall for that than the angels...

They're being asked to give up 4 of these 5 players. Chad Billingsley, Clayton Kershaw, Andy LaRoche, James Loney, and Matt Kemp.

[Dodger]

who are they asking for from the dodgers? billingsly, kemp, loney and another pitching prospect? yeah, that is way too much for one player, even one as good as cabrera.

still, i'd much rather have the dodgers fall for that than the angels...

Yeah, funny thing, Ned the genius GM tht we have OFFERED Loney, Kemp, and Bills but the marlins siad "No Thanks".

:wow:

But, not only are they asking for all that, they also want Clayton Kershaw. A left-handed pitcher who is said to be the real deal.

I fear, Ned would do this trade. He did sign Juan Pierre to a 5 year contract :(.

I have been hearing some Dodgers rumors that you might want to be intrested in.


The Dodgers may persue Aaron Rowand. This rumor came from Buster Olney so it might not even be true.
Mariano Rivera has told his agents to shop him around. He wants a guaranteed 4 years from the Yankees, but is upset at Hank Steinbrenner for commenting on his age. I don't blame him here. Hank is always coming out with stupid comments. Think before you speak. This is where the Dodger's may step in.
Dodger's are intrested in Eric Bedard

I never believe anything from Buster. Even if he is a Dodger fan. :cmad:
I think the Mariano things is just a ploy so the Yanks can give him more money.
Know, the Bedard thing is intresting. Not only, do the O's want Loney and Kemp, they want Bills and Broxton! Methinks, Tejada might be offered, but any trade that leaves with more holes instead of filling them is an obvious bad one. But I don't think Ned sees this. Example B: Juan Pierre to a 5 year contract. :cmad:

It's so hard to be a loyal Dodger fan sometimes. :(

[Kingfish]

I have been hearing some Dodgers rumors that you might want to be intrested in.


The Dodgers may persue Aaron Rowand. This rumor came from Buster Olney so it might not even be true.
Mariano Rivera has told his agents to shop him around. He wants a guaranteed 4 years from the Yankees, but is upset at Hank Steinbrenner for commenting on his age. I don't blame him here. Hank is always coming out with stupid comments. Think before you speak. This is where the Dodger's may step in.
Dodger's are intrested in Eric Bedard

i've been hearing that the dodgers are interested in hunter, and that comes from rosenthal, who i consider more reliable than buster, buts its clear they want one of the center fielders. juan pierre just doesn't cut it.

and yeah, hank steinbrenner just keeps getting worse and worse. the guy is an absolute moron. i'll laugh if rivera leaves new york based on this.

heard the angels are also interested in bedard, but that the orioles are going to explore an extension first.

[NewYorkSpider]

Some other rumors I've been hearing.


Andrew Jones may return to Atlanta.
Tori Hunter may sign with the Rangers for 6yr $90milTori Hunter going to the Rangers makes sense. He has a home near the ballpark.

[NewYorkSpider]

i've been hearing that the dodgers are interested in hunter, and that comes from rosenthal, who i consider more reliable than buster, buts its clear they want one of the center fielders. juan pierre just doesn't cut it.


The Dodgers have been intrested, but as I posted above, the Rangers seem to be his destination. Hunter has met with 3 teams. White Sox, Royals and Rangers.

[Kingfish]

yeah, could be. i read somewhere that the rangers were really interested in the japanese outfielder, ***udome

and initially, i think its highly unlikely that andruw settles back in atlanta. i seem to remember that the braves didn't want hunter cause they were ready to play that kid in center field. i can't remember his name. if thats true, i doubt they'll want andruw back either.

hah they censored fu kudome

[omid17]

i heard Yanks might get johan santana

[NewYorkSpider]

yeah, could be. i read somewhere that the rangers were really interested in the japanese outfielder, ***udome

and initially, i think its highly unlikely that andruw settles back in atlanta. i seem to remember that the braves didn't want hunter cause they were ready to play that kid in center field. i can't remember his name. if thats true, i doubt they'll want andruw back either.

hah they censored fu kudome

The Braves are looking at someone to take a short-term deal for centerfield. That's why the Andrew rumor came up. There's also another rumor they may try and trade for Ken Griffey Jr. I highly doubt that though.

i heard Yanks might get johan santana

I think Santana is going to stay with the Twins and they will try and win with him next year. If the team is doing crappy, then he may get traded before the deadline.

[Kingfish]

yeah, i smell a deadline deal for johan next year. i doubt he gets traded this offseason.

[omid17]

for sure

[Spidey-Bat]

i heard Yanks might get johan santana

It's not going to happen because the Twins want Cano.

If it's a deadline deal, the price will become less which means the Mets will be bigger players for him and they need him much more than the Yankees do.

[cookiva]

Some other rumors I've been hearing.

Andrew Jones may return to Atlanta.
Tori Hunter may sign with the Rangers for 6yr $90milTori Hunter going to the Rangers makes sense. He has a home near the ballpark.

Yeah, he does live down here. His kid goes to my old school, and works out up at where I work at all the time. Hunter is a great dude.

[Dark Donnie]

It's not going to happen because the Twins want Cano.

If it's a deadline deal, the price will become less which means the Mets will be bigger players for him and they need him much more than the Yankees do.

I thought the Yanks were willing to part with Melky, Cano, and Hughes

[sinewave]

I thought the Yanks were willing to part with Melky, Cano, and Hughes

that's a big gamble since santana's a free agent at the end of next season. they'd have to work out a deal with him to ensure he's not just an expensive one-year rental.

[NewYorkSpider]

I thought the Yanks were willing to part with Melky, Cano, and Hughes

They won't trade any of those players. Cano is a good hitter and reliable in clutch situations. Melky can put up good numbers, but can fall in a slump and stay there . Hughes is too inconsistent, but can pitch good at some times.

[Spidey-Bat]

They should part with Melky if it can get them any kind of return (he's not an irreplaceable part). Hughes they probably still value highly. Maybe they will learn not to be comparing their prospects to Roger Clemens from now on.

[FaT_tONle]

They should part with Melky if it can get them any kind of return (he's not an irreplaceable part). Hughes they probably still value highly. Maybe they will learn not to be comparing their prospects to Roger Clemens from now on.

Yanks don't need to do ***** with A-Rod resigned... the offense is set... they have multiple guys they can DH... all they need is a first baseman that can play defense... and you don't trade to fill a hole like that.

[Spidey-Bat]

They need starting pitching. Though they would be smart to improve the back end which is what really sucked. Even though Wang is not an ace he's good enough to be one during the season.

[Spidey-Bat]

The Mets' had signed Torrealba, now the deal fell through, either he failed his physical or he voided his contract. Their options are limited. They could start Castro (horrible idea IMO), re-sign Lo Duca (not sure if he'd come back now), or trade for Ramon Hernandez (which may cost a top prospect).

[NewYorkSpider]

^^I heard the Rockies were looking at Paul Lo Duca.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I have been hearing some Dodgers rumors that you might want to be intrested in.


The Dodgers may persue Aaron Rowand. This rumor came from Buster Olney so it might not even be true.
Mariano Rivera has told his agents to shop him around. He wants a guaranteed 4 years from the Yankees, but is upset at Hank Steinbrenner for commenting on his age. I don't blame him here. Hank is always coming out with stupid comments. Think before you speak. This is where the Dodgers may step in.
Dodgers are intrested in Eric Bedard

Hypothetically wouldn't every team be interested in Eric Bedard? I think I've just broken Buster Olney's rumor mill. Pick a team with offseason needs, pick players who are on the market, or simply just good players and mesh them both together.

[NewYorkSpider]

Hypothetically wouldn't every team be interested in Eric Bedard? I think I've just broken Buster Olney's rumor mill. Pick a team with offseason needs, pick players who are on the market, or simply just good players and mesh them both together.

It all depends on if those teams have good enough players to trade and if they are willing to give up 2 players or more for Bedard. That's why a lot of the high market teams are in the mix. The team that gets him will have him for 2 years which most likely means teams would have to give up more than 2 players/prospects. It's easy for anyone to come up with rumors. There are a lot of teams that need a CF. That means you can pick any one of those teams and say that's where Aaron Rowand may go. With Olney, he just writes it in his blog or says it on ESPN before he hears it from a source. Take the Mike Lowell situation. Olney said the Phillies offered him a contract when they actually didn't.

[cyborg ninja 14]

It all depends on if those teams have good enough players to trade and if they are willing to give up 2 players or more for Bedard. That's why a lot of the high market teams are in the mix. The team that gets him will have him for 2 years which most likely means teams would have to give up more than 2 players/prospects. It's easy for anyone to come up with rumors. There are a lot of teams that need a CF. That means you can pick any one of those teams and say that's where Aaron Rowand may go. With Olney, he just writes it in his blog or says it on ESPN before he hears it from a source. Take the Mike Lowell situation. Olney said the Phillies offered him a contract when they actually didn't.

Yeah, what's with this David Eckstein to the Mets I keep hearing about? Are there no better 2B free agents on the market right now?

[NewYorkSpider]

Yeah, what's with this David Eckstein to the Mets I keep hearing about? Are there no better 2B free agents on the market right now?

I heard the Eckstein rumor as well. I think they'll re-sign Castillo. Kaz Matsui, Marcus Giles, Tadahito Iguchi, Mark Loretta and Jose Valentin are the other free agents from second base.

[Spidey-Bat]

Yeah, what's with this David Eckstein to the Mets I keep hearing about? Are there no better 2B free agents on the market right now?

I heard the Eckstein rumor as well. I think they'll re-sign Castillo. Kaz Matsui, Marcus Giles, Tadahito Iguchi, Mark Loretta and Jose Valentin are the other free agents from second base.

They're leery of Castillo because of his knees and arthritis. He and Eckstein are similar players except Eckstein has fewer health problems. I would rather see them trade Orlando Hudson but the need for an ace is the first trade priority. The only way I see them trading for him is if Scott Kazmir wins arbitration and becomes a free agent and signs with the Mets. I know someone who knows a pitching guy in the Mets' system. He is close to Kazmir who hates Tampa Bay and wants out. That's why the [Devil] Rays want to trade him.

The 2B FA's are pretty unimpressive which is why Eckstein is willing to play 2B.

[Spidey-Bat]

http://www.startribune.com/507/story/1558537.html

Made offer to Santana

The word in baseball circles is that the Twins have made a five-year offer to two-time Cy Young Ward winner Johan Santana calling for $93 million.

Santana will be in the final year of his four-year, $40 million contract in 2008.

It's doubtful that Santana will accept this offer, but at least it's a start in an attempt to lock up the pitcher many consider to be the best in baseball.

Meanwhile, there isn't any doubt that the Twins are waiting for free-agent outfielder Torii Hunter to get some offers, and if Hunter wants to return here as he claims, he will give the Twins a chance to match.

Twins closer Joe Nathan will become a free agent at the end of the 2008 season. The Yankees didn't make it any easier for the Twins to re-sign Nathan when they offered Mariano Rivera a three-year contract calling for $45 million. The Twins recently exercised a $6 million option on Nathan for next year.

5yr/$93M is basically what Zambrano and Zito got in terms of salary per year. I heard from Seth Evrett (MLB Insider) that Santana would at least listen to 6-year deal. He'll likely test the market unless his heart is in Minnesota which I don't think is the case.

[cyborg ninja 14]

They're leery of Castillo because of his knees and arthritis. He and Eckstein are similar players except Eckstein has fewer health problems. I would rather see them trade Orlando Hudson but the need for an ace is the first trade priority. The only way I see them trading for him is if Scott Kazmir wins arbitration and becomes a free agent and signs with the Mets. I know someone who knows a pitching guy in the Mets' system. He is close to Kazmir who hates Tampa Bay and wants out. That's why the [Devil] Rays want to trade him.

The 2B FA's are pretty unimpressive which is why Eckstein is willing to play 2B.

I prefer to keep Hudson in AZ thank you:o Who was the GM that traded away Kazmir again?

[Spidey-Bat]

Jim Duquette.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Jim Duquette.

Damn, I always assume it was Steve Phillips. Where is Duqette now?

[Spidey-Bat]

He was the Orioles GM but left a few months ago.

The only good thing Steve Phillips ever did was trade for Mike Piazza and let Mike Hampton walk (this gave the Mets a compensation pick for drafting him. This draftee was David Wright).

[cyborg ninja 14]

He was the Orioles GM but left a few months ago.

The only good thing Steve Phillips ever did was trade for Mike Piazza and let Mike Hampton walk (this gave the Mets a compensation pick for drafting him. This draftee was David Wright).

I had suspicious he was in Baltimore. If those Kazmir rumors are true, I can just imagine the D-Ray front office trying to keep around

D-Ray GM: "But Scott, you're our ace, don't you want to be the ACE of the Devil Rays? It's an honor unlike any other."

Kazmir: "Yeah...not really."

GM: "But, think about the benefits of playing in Tropicana Field! Limited distractions unless the Red Sox or Yankees are in town."

Kazmir: *has long since left the room*

[Dodger]

I hate steve phillips so much. I hate it when he's on ESPN giving advice, it's just illogical.

Rumor is that the Dodgers, are looking on trading Juan Pierre for Garland. Dodgers, want to offer Meloan and another top prospect (one not named Kershaw) so the CHISOXS can take one pierre contract.

I would give them, Pierre, Abreau, Meloan and possibly maybe Hu if they wanted to take pierre off our hands and pay his contract. This is just a rumor and I really don't post rumor's, but this one has my interest.

[Arkady Rossovich]

It looks like the baseball that Bonds hit the home run with will have an asterisk.. ->* when it goes into the hall of fame.I support that idea,because he cheated to break the record.

[Spidey-Bat]

Glavine seems to have officially signed with the Braves. The Mets will get the 18th overall pick and a sandwich pick.

[Showtime]

Roast Beef?

[Showtime]

Glavine seems to have officially signed with the Braves. The Mets will get the 18th overall pick and a sandwich pick.

He has...

1 Year/8 Million Per

[cyborg ninja 14]

I hate steve phillips so much. I hate it when he's on ESPN giving advice, it's just illogical.

.

Yeah, I remember watching a thing about the Brewers back when they were in first place. He said the key to their success down the road is their "confidence." Bleh.

[Dark Donnie]

They're leery of Castillo because of his knees and arthritis. He and Eckstein are similar players except Eckstein has fewer health problems. I would rather see them trade Orlando Hudson but the need for an ace is the first trade priority. The only way I see them trading for him is if Scott Kazmir wins arbitration and becomes a free agent and signs with the Mets. I know someone who knows a pitching guy in the Mets' system. He is close to Kazmir who hates Tampa Bay and wants out. That's why the [Devil] Rays want to trade him.

The 2B FA's are pretty unimpressive which is why Eckstein is willing to play 2B.

Report: Mets sign Castillo for four years

According to impactodeportivo.com.do, the Mets and Luis Castillo have agreed to a four-year, $25 million contract.

We've been misled by Dominican sites before, but perhaps this one is legit. Castillo was asking for four years, and the annual salary seems right. It's a very risky investment for the Mets. Castillo is only 32, but his legs are at least 35 and when second baseman go bad, it tends to happen in a hurry. The Mets have seen it happen with Carlos Baerga, Roberto Alomar and Edgardo Alfonzo. We're guessing Castillo doesn't have more than two good years left in him. Nov. 18 - 8:21 pm et


I also read the Torrealba did indeed fail his physical because of his shoulder

[El ASESINO]

I'm glad that Glavine is back with the Braves. He will be a good third pitcher for the Braves






GO BRAVES!

[Showtime]

I don't really understand that Castillo signing?

[Silver Knight]

So is A-Rod to the Yanks a done deal?

[Dark Donnie]

I hate steve phillips so much. I hate it when he's on ESPN giving advice, it's just illogical.

Rumor is that the Dodgers, are looking on trading Juan Pierre for Garland. Dodgers, want to offer Meloan and another top prospect (one not named Kershaw) so the CHISOXS can take one pierre contract.

I would give them, Pierre, Abreau, Meloan and possibly maybe Hu if they wanted to take pierre off our hands and pay his contract. This is just a rumor and I really don't post rumor's, but this one has my interest.

White Sox, Angels swap Garland for Cabrera

White Sox acquired SS Orlando Cabrera from Angels in exchange for RHP Jon Garland.

An odd trade, because the White Sox already re-signed Juan Uribe and the Angels don't have a clear replacement for Cabrera unless they think that Erick Aybar is ready. The White Sox pick up an excellent defender who batted .301/.345/.397 in 155 games for the Angels in 2007, giving them a huge upgrade over Uribe. A free agent after 2008, Cabrera will make $9 million in the final season of his contract. Uribe could slide to second base or fill a utility role, but another trade is possible. Nov. 19 - 12:29 pm et

Garland for Cabrera

[Dodger]

Garland for Cabrera

DAM! :cmad:

[Showtime]

Weird trade. Although I am a huge Cabrera fan.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Good trade for the Angels, trading a mediocre offensive SS for a middle of the rotation guy in Garland.

[Dark Donnie]

Lowell resigned for 3 yrs $37.5 Mil

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3118926

[Spidey-Bat]

The Castillo signing is horrible. I still am not sure if it's true since there's only been a report from Ken Rosenthal (he said a deal was only close, not final) and that Spanish site. However, it's not going to kill the Mets and the problem of no pitching still exists. If Dan Haren, Johan Santana, Erik Bedard, Scott Kazmir, or some starter with their level of talent are not on the Mets by Spring Training and they fail to make the playoffs, I would support Minaya being fired. He's really not been an impressive GM. All he does is little trades and big deals.

[Jerry!]

Garland for Cabrera

I like it. I hope to god the next move is to get rid of Uribe now, though I don't really know much about Cabrera.

[DarthRekal]

DAM! :cmad:
I KNow... stupid angels.. but it looks like Torii Hunter wants to be in Blue.. if thats the case... we can move Pierre to left and trade Kemp/Ethier and Kershaw for Johan???:woot:

got that from the site on my sig :cwink:

[Dark Donnie]

Hunter is meeting with The Rangers today.

[DarthRekal]

Hunter is meeting with The Rangers today.
Shush Donnie dont jinx it :cmad: :cwink:

[Dark Donnie]

Shush Donnie dont jinx it :cmad: :cwink:

I would like The Dodgers to sign him to be honest....hopefully it happens.

[Dark Donnie]

The Castillo signing is horrible. I still am not sure if it's true since there's only been a report from Ken Rosenthal (he said a deal was only close, not final) and that Spanish site. However, it's not going to kill the Mets and the problem of no pitching still exists. If Dan Haren, Johan Santana, Erik Bedard, Scott Kazmir, or some starter with their level of talent are not on the Mets by Spring Training and they fail to make the playoffs, I would support Minaya being fired. He's really not been an impressive GM. All he does is little trades and big deals.

ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3118238


Would you have rather had Eckstein at 9 million a year though?

Scutaro traded to the Blue Jays

[Spidey-Bat]

Would you have rather had Eckstein at 9 million a year though?

No, but no one is holding a gun to their head making them sign a FA. I would have gone with a platoon of Damion Easley, Ruben Gotay, and Marlon Anderson at 2B. Play Easley and Anderson when groundball pitchers are pitching and Gotay with flyball pitchers are pitching (for the Mets). This keeps the spot open next year for Orlando Hudson. If he isn't available, there's a chance Ruben Gotay becomes an adequate fielder and can be the everyday 2B. Normally I don't like banking on signing a guy who will be a FA next year but it's the best option, IMO.

I KNow... stupid angels.. but it looks like Torii Hunter wants to be in Blue.. if thats the case... we can move Pierre to left and trade Kemp/Ethier and Kershaw for Johan???:woot:

That would be a pointless trade for the Dodgers. They will have a good enough rotation next year. They should put their resources to finding a power hitter.

EDIT: Pending a physical, Castillo's signing is official.

[cyborg ninja 14]

The Castillo signing is horrible. I still am not sure if it's true since there's only been a report from Ken Rosenthal (he said a deal was only close, not final) and that Spanish site. However, it's not going to kill the Mets and the problem of no pitching still exists. If Dan Haren, Johan Santana, Erik Bedard, Scott Kazmir, or some starter with their level of talent are not on the Mets by Spring Training and they fail to make the playoffs, I would support Minaya being fired. He's really not been an impressive GM. All he does is little trades and big deals.

They're reaching Juan Pierre status with this contract.

[DarthRekal]

They're reaching Juan Pierre status with this contract.
:csad:

[cyborg ninja 14]

:csad:

At least the Mets didn't go crazy with the dollar figure, half of what Pierre got from LA. Although 4 years is way too much, perhaps 2, or 1 would've been appropriate.

[Dodger]

I KNow... stupid angels.. but it looks like Torii Hunter wants to be in Blue.. if thats the case... we can move Pierre to left and trade Kemp/Ethier and Kershaw for Johan???:woot:

got that from the site on my sig :cwink:

I don't agree with that trade at all. Any trade that involves Ethier and kershaw is a no go. I don't care who it's for. Id be willing to part with Kemp, but not Ethier and not Kershaw. I think Ethier is going to have an astounding career. His ability to adapt and drive the ball is so impressive.

They're reaching Juan Pierre status with this contract.

Hey! That was mean :(

[Spidey-Bat]

They're reaching Juan Pierre status with this contract.

Fortunately it's 4 years and not 5 and there's still the physical that needs to be passed. Hopefully the doctor doesn't like his knees.

At least the Mets didn't go crazy with the dollar figure, half of what Pierre got from LA. Although 4 years is way too much, perhaps 2, or 1 would've been appropriate.

I would have done 2 with an option for a 3rd. If he wants a 3rd or 4th guaranteed year, I wouldn't bother continuing the discussion. I'd rather overpay for 1-2 years than pay market value for 3-4.

[Dodger]

I would like The Dodgers to sign him to be honest....hopefully it happens.

As would I, he's always been a great admirer of Jackie Robinson.

[DarthRekal]

I don't agree with that trade at all. Any trade that involves Ethier and kershaw is a no go. I don't care who it's for. Id be willing to part with Kemp, but not Ethier and not Kershaw. I think Ethier is going to have an astounding career. His ability to adapt and drive the ball is so impressive.



Hey! That was mean :(

really?? cause i like Kemp better than Ethier.. but i would trade either one of them .. :oldrazz: ..Johan would RIP up the NL.... and we cant rely on Schmidt:cmad:

Rotation

would be

Santana
Penny
Lowe
Bills
Schmidt

OF would be set

Pierre
Hunter
Kemp/Ethier

[Spidey-Bat]

As would I, he's always been a great admirer of Jackie Robinson.

Would they move Noodle-Arm to LF?

really?? cause i like Kemp better than Ethier.. but i would trade either one of them .. :oldrazz: ..Johan would RIP up the NL.... and we cant rely on Schmidt:cmad:


If I was a Dodger fan, I would rather keep 2 good, young OF and a very good, young, LHP. You have control over them for a long time. Santana you may not be able to sign for an extension. I feel differently as a Met fan b/c they have a weak rotation (no one will pitch over 200 innings) and don't have the best pitching prospect in baseball.

[DarthRekal]

Would they move Noodle-Arm to LF?
would have to.. we had one there last year too :csad: (Gonzo)

[Fran]

Congratulations to Magglio Ordonez, 2nd in the MVP voting. They knew how much he means to the Tigers :up:

[cyborg ninja 14]

Fortunately it's 4 years and not 5 and there's still the physical that needs to be passed. Hopefully the doctor doesn't like his knees.

Gotcha

I would have done 2 with an option for a 3rd. If he wants a 3rd or 4th guaranteed year, I wouldn't bother continuing the discussion. I'd rather overpay for 1-2 years than pay market value for 3-4.

It's either him or David Eckstein at this point.

[Dodger]

really?? cause i like Kemp better than Ethier.. but i would trade either one of them .. :oldrazz: ..Johan would RIP up the NL.... and we cant rely on Schmidt:cmad:

Rotation

would be

Santana
Penny
Lowe
Bills
Schmidt

OF would be set

Pierre
Hunter
Kemp/Ethier

I feel our rotation is good enough with Penny, Lowe and Bills. I would like a move for a solid 4 or 5 guy. Johan WOULD dominate the NL. Worst hitting division in the MLB. But he wants Zito type of money and I feel we could not compete with NY or BOS, if we were to get him and when his contract is up.

But, yeah I would not want to give up either of them. Defensively they are both solid. Offensively I feel Ethier is better. Kemp can smash the ball, but Etiher can do it all and do it consistently and with Mattingley on board, look for Loney, Ethier and Kemp to have BIG years. This is the year, I feel, American starts to notice these 3.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I feel our rotation is good enough with Penny, Lowe and Bills. I would like a move for a solid 4 or 5 guy. Johan WOULD dominate the NL. Worst hitting division in the MLB. But he wants Zito type of money and I feel we could not compete with NY or BOS, if we were to get him and when his contract is up.

But, yeah I would not want to give up either of them. Defensively they are both solid. Offensively I feel Ethier is better. Kemp can smash the ball, but Etiher can do it all and do it consistently and with Mattingley on board, look for Loney, Ethier and Kemp to have BIG years. This is the year, I feel, American starts to notice these 3.

Rotation
Johan(?)
Penny
Lowe
Billingsley
???

Who would occupy the 5th spot? And if LA doesn't get Johan, how would those two voids be filled?

[Spidey-Bat]

It's either him or David Eckstein at this point.

Or there's the completely ludicrous idea that the Mets look within to solve the problem instead of signing someone to a long term deal.

[Dodger]

Rotation
Johan(?)
Penny
Lowe
Billingsley
???

Who would occupy the 5th spot? And if LA doesn't get Johan, how would those two voids be filled?

Schmidt is always an option but thats a huge IF. Loaiza can, but eh. he's a gas can. We have kids in the minors who can come up.

[Spidey-Bat]

Dodger fans, I thought of a wild trade a few days ago: Juan Pierre and Russell Martin for Carlos Beltran. What do you think? It'd never happen but I want to know how crazy it seems to you guys.

[omid17]

why did OC get traded :(

[Spidey-Bat]

I don't get that trade since the White Sox re-signed Juan Uribe.

[omid17]

I don't get that trade since the White Sox re-signed Juan Uribe.plus Angels have great pitchers, they need better batters

[Showtime]

A-Rod wins the MVP with 382 points. Ordonez finishes 2nd followed by Guerrero, Ortiz, and Lowell.

[Spidey-Bat]

Julio Lugo got robbed.

[Showtime]

He was the favorite among shortstops with batting averages below .240