Official 2008 MLB thread [Archive] - Page 30

FaT_tONle

08-28-2008, 10:32 PM

I wouldn't mind a trade like that if I knew the Yankees were gonna sign Sabathia and/or A.J Burnett.

Howard/A-Rod would be Ramirez/Ortiz esque... but the Yanks still need that every day lead off hitter. Damon and Jeter aren't those players any more. Plus the Yanks can't afford to trade Wang.... Hughes or Kennedy would be all they could offer along with money/prospects.

Spidey-Bat

08-28-2008, 11:16 PM

Also with Victorino, the Phillies organization are very high on him...he's been asked about by a number of teams....Colorado, and Cleveland recently. I doubt they move him now.

It's hard to think of CFs who are good and young but not franchise cornerstones.

Howard/A-Rod would be Ramirez/Ortiz esque... but the Yanks still need that every day lead off hitter. Damon and Jeter aren't those players any more. Plus the Yanks can't afford to trade Wang.... Hughes or Kennedy would be all they could offer along with money/prospects.

I can hear Yankee fans whining about how A-Rod and Howard wouldn't be clutch despite putting up monster numbers.

Wang could be expendable if they signed Sabathia. Hughes, Kenendy, and Cabrera have lost so much value they're better off keeping them though I think they want to trade Kennedy because he hasn't been as awful and he doesn't seem to have the personality to play in NY.

NewYorkSpider

08-28-2008, 11:28 PM

Howard/A-Rod would be Ramirez/Ortiz esque... but the Yanks still need that every day lead off hitter. Damon and Jeter aren't those players any more. Plus the Yanks can't afford to trade Wang.... Hughes or Kennedy would be all they could offer along with money/prospects.

Yeah, I doubt the Yankees would ever trade Wang. They are however going to make big time moves if they miss the postseason, and even if they make it, I see them doing something to help their cause in '09. I see them landing a good pitcher. Probably Sabathia, Burnett, Sheets or Dempster. Then adding another bat. Teixeira would be the only good aqcusition cause they need a first baseman. I thought I heard somewhere he didn't want to play in New York but I could be wrong. The CF market doesn't have any good people unless they risk signing Rocco Baldelli. I see he's back with the Rays, but not sure if his health is a concern. Another option would be to trade for Matt Holliday, but they would be giving up on some good prospects and Matsui. I'm real intrested to see what they do this offseason.

Kingfish

08-28-2008, 11:28 PM

The Phillies pick up Matt Stairs.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8501292/Sources:-Phils-get-Stairs-from-Blue-Jays

Showtime

08-28-2008, 11:28 PM

Pedroia is an outstanding baseball player. He's tied with Ichiro and Jose Reyes with most hits in the MLB. He's going to be a great player for years to come.

He is gritty.

Youkilis, Lowrie, Pedroia, Elsbury, Paplebon, Masterson, Lester...I am liking this trend.

The sad thing is they're just going to do the same thing they also do and buy players. They need to get a young CF badly, IMO. They have a terrible defensive OF and need someone with good range to compensate for the others. This might seem like a crazy trade but I think it could work out. I'd trade Wang and Austin Jackson (or Ian Kennedy if he has any value) to the Phillies for Ryan Howard and Shane Victorino. Phillies would get the only pitcher besides Webb who wouldn't be hurt by CBP as well as a young OF for the future. Yankees would get a good defensive CF who can hit at the top of the order and a 1B who would dominate with the short RF.

Trade does sound a little crazy, a little one sided if you ask me. Howard would be huge in Yankee Stadium. I am sure they are going to make some noise in the offseason going into this new stadium.

Showtime

08-28-2008, 11:29 PM

The Phillies pick up Matt Stairs.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8501292/Sources:-Phils-get-Stairs-from-Blue-Jays

Nice pick up. I like Stairs. I mean everytime I look at him, I picture him drinking a beer while he slugs softballs, but he some good pop left.

Spidey-Bat

08-28-2008, 11:48 PM

Yeah, I doubt the Yankees would ever trade Wang. They are however going to make big time moves if they miss the postseason, and even if they make it, I see them doing something to help their cause in '09. I see them landing a good pitcher. Probably Sabathia, Burnett, Sheets or Dempster. Then adding another bat. Teixeira would be the only good aqcusition cause they need a first baseman. I thought I heard somewhere he didn't want to play in New York but I could be wrong. The CF market doesn't have any good people unless they risk signing Rocco Baldelli. I see he's back with the Rays, but not sure if his health is a concern. Another option would be to trade for Matt Holliday, but they would be giving up on some good prospects and Matsui. I'm real intrested to see what they do this offseason.

Dempster will probably re-sign with the Cubs. I don't think the Yankees like Burnett much. The Angels and Orioles will probably be players for Teixeira. I don't think he doesn't want to go to NY but it may not be his first choice.

Why would the Rockies want Matsui? He's been injury prone the last few years and is a liability in LF.

Kingfish

08-28-2008, 11:57 PM

NewYorkSpider

08-29-2008, 12:01 AM

Dempster will probably re-sign with the Cubs. I don't think the Yankees like Burnett much. The Angels and Orioles will probably be players for Teixeira. I don't think he doesn't want to go to NY but it may not be his first choice.

Why would the Rockies want Matsui? He's been injury prone the last few years and is a liability in LF.

If Dempster doesn't sign back with the Cubs, the Yankees should look at him. I don't know if Sabathia would want out of the NL now since he's dominating everything in sight, but we know money talks. Not really sure where Sheets would play next season. Burnett might be their only choice at the moment. Yankees will have a lot of money to spend when they get rid of Giambi and Pavano. Yankees could pick up Casey Blake. He's hitting like .300 with RISP and wouldn't cost a lot. Then they could think about getting another quality pitcher.

The Holliday trade is a stretch with Matsui's past injuries. I was only laying out options.

Spider-Fan

08-29-2008, 12:03 AM

Indians win again today? I don't pay too much attention to them right now.

Why couldn't they start winning when it actually mattered? Between them, and what looks to be the Browns season, Cleveland sports look to be an utter disappointment for me :down

NewYorkSpider

08-29-2008, 12:12 AM

I had the Indians winning thr World Series this year. They've had injuries that have set them back this season. They should be better in '09.

They have had only 7 losses in the month of August.

Spider-Fan

08-29-2008, 12:21 AM

I had the Indians winning thr World Series this year. They've had injuries that have set them back this season. They should be better in '09.

They have had only 7 losses in the month of August.

Which goes to show how pathetic they've been the rest of the year. Even before the injuries when everyone was healthy, they couldn't score a run. Pathetic effort this season, and a complete disappointment. From up 3-1 on the Red Sox to this? Horrendous.

Spidey-Bat

08-29-2008, 12:29 AM

If Dempster doesn't sign back with the Cubs, the Yankees should look at him. I don't know if Sabathia would want out of the NL now since he's dominating everything in sight, but we know money talks. Not really sure where Sheets would play next season. Burnett might be their only choice at the moment. Yankees will have a lot of money to spend when they get rid of Giambi and Pavano. Yankees could pick up Casey Blake. He's hitting like .300 with RISP and wouldn't cost a lot. Then they could think about getting another quality pitcher.

I've heard Sabathia's first choice is the Giants but that's not happening. He's building a home in So Cal which could mean Dodgers. However, I've heard he'll go to the highest bidder

FaT_tONle

08-29-2008, 08:22 AM

Yeah, I doubt the Yankees would ever trade Wang. They are however going to make big time moves if they miss the postseason, and even if they make it, I see them doing something to help their cause in '09. I see them landing a good pitcher. Probably Sabathia, Burnett, Sheets or Dempster. Then adding another bat. Teixeira would be the only good aqcusition cause they need a first baseman. I thought I heard somewhere he didn't want to play in New York but I could be wrong. The CF market doesn't have any good people unless they risk signing Rocco Baldelli. I see he's back with the Rays, but not sure if his health is a concern. Another option would be to trade for Matt Holliday, but they would be giving up on some good prospects and Matsui. I'm real intrested to see what they do this offseason.

Yanks basically need 1st base, 2nd base (maybe too soon to give up on Cano though) and center field... they have zero position players in their farm to my knowledge... and that's on top of their pitching needs... unless they land these big time free agents and trade their farm for big players (going back to their old ways)... they might not be a playoff team even next year.

Someone else brought up K-Rod. Safe to assume this guy will stay on the west coast or what? I'd wish the Mets make a play at him but they have too much money wrapped up in Wagner. Yanks have Mo for like two more years as well... should be interesting to see where he ends up.

ih8nyy

08-29-2008, 10:30 AM

I do hope the Angels keep Tex. He's been money ever since the trade, and they'll need a centerpiece for the line-up since Vlad is no longer the threat he once was. It'll be expensive, but with K-Rod, Anderson, and Garland off the books, it's do-able.

It's do-able, but remember the Skanks and Mets each will have holes at 1st base after this season and with new parks opening up they will both offer him a boat load of cash. I expect Tex to be playing in NY one way or the other. Although I hope it is in the NL.

I don't see the LA Angels of Anaheim, CA letting K-Rod go anywhere. They will certainly show him the $$$$.

Spidey-Bat

08-29-2008, 10:39 AM

Unfortunately I don't see the Mets getting Teixeira because of Delgado. I'd absolutely hate it if they exercised his option. I seem to be the only one who remembers the year-and-a-half period where his career was extinct.

K-Rod has said he's becoming a FA and wants a ridiculous contract like 5 yrs/$75M. Angels have Arredondo to take over next year as closer. I wonder what team will be dumb enough to give K-Rod that money. Probably the Tigers. I could see the Mets signing him but only if Wagner has surgery.

BlackLantern

08-29-2008, 10:45 AM

I'd like to see the Mets get Teixeira.....

Raiden

08-29-2008, 11:10 AM

Thing is... I was hoping for the Yanks to finish below .500... maybe had they gotten swept they would have started to tank it here on out... I think they'll stay mathematically alive for another three weeks... but yeah I agree they are delaying the inevitable. Not a done deal yet though... it almost certainly would have been had the Sox completed the sweep.

As a Yanks fan, it's sad that they turned into this old, expensive, and injury-prone team who underperforms, but Steinbrenner's mantra to overpay for talents and trade away prospects eventually will bite them in the ass. Hopefully, they will unload the dead weights on their team, and go back to the formula that helped them won 4 consecutive WS.

ih8nyy

08-29-2008, 12:57 PM

Captain Planet!

08-29-2008, 01:13 PM

It's hard to think of CFs who are good and young but not franchise cornerstones..
Adam Jones.

Spidey-Bat

08-29-2008, 01:14 PM

I'd like to see the Mets get Teixeira.....

I'd like to see it as well. Probably not going to happen though.

I don't think they Mets will exercise Delgado's option. But then again Minaya is just dumb enough to do it. He'll probably throw a boat load of cash at Agent 99 too.

I keep hearing they're leaning towards it. If they do it's a mistake. The Mets already have one stiff in their infield (Castillo). No need for another.

FaT_tONle

08-29-2008, 01:49 PM

I don't think the Mets can bring in another slugger. Texeira is the best on the market and would command top dollar. Delgado is playing well and will be cheaper... as long as they give him a relatively short deal it won't kill their budget. They need to bring in another pitcher because they won't pay Perez. Bullpen needs retooling and I don't trust these minor league outfielders. That's where their money should go in the off season. But if it means keeping him away from the Yanks then that's a good move, but the Yanks have the chips to go after anybody.

Spidey-Bat

08-29-2008, 01:57 PM

Adam Jones.

Orioles would never trade him to the Yankees.

I don't think the Mets can bring in another slugger. Texeira is the best on the market and would command top dollar. Delgado is playing well and will be cheaper... as long as they give him a relatively short deal it won't kill their budget. They need to bring in another pitcher because they won't pay Perez. Bullpen needs retooling and I don't trust these minor league outfielders. That's where their money should go in the off season. But if it means keeping him away from the Yanks then that's a good move, but the Yanks have the chips to go after anybody.

They might keep Perez because he's so good against the Phillies, Braves, and Yankees (even though he plays them only twice a year).

With their bullpen, they need to dump a lot of guys. I'd trade Scott Schoeneweis to the Cardinals, non-tender Duaner Sanchez, and trade Aaron Heilman to an AL team for anything with a pulse. If Feliciano doesn't get his act together I'd put him on the block as well. I'd sign Bob Howry, Luis Ayala, Darren Oliver, and Chad Cordero (if he is non-tendered which the Nats have said they intend to do).

BlackLantern

08-29-2008, 02:04 PM

I'd release Schoeneweis outright......

Ziggyman

08-29-2008, 02:06 PM

Damn...Stairs is gone...I think he has the most homers on the Jays and is one of the only Canadians on the team...I hate baseball prospects...I think this is a bad move...But let's wait and see...:csad:

Captain Planet!

08-29-2008, 02:06 PM

Orioles would never trade him to the Yankees.

I know that, And I hope they never do.

Spidey-Bat

08-29-2008, 02:14 PM

I'd release Schoeneweis outright......

He has value unlike Heilman or Sanchez.

Dark Donnie

08-29-2008, 06:40 PM

Phillies got absolutely killed with two bad calls...cost us the game.

BlackLantern

08-29-2008, 06:46 PM

He has value unlike Heilman or Sanchez.

Trade him for some bats and a bag of balls....Cubbies need to beat up on Philly this weekend....and if the Mets can take the series from Florida, there will be some breathing room

Spidey-Bat

08-29-2008, 07:39 PM

Phillies got absolutely killed with two bad calls...cost us the game.

They also got lucky Theriot didn't score on the wild pitch.

BlackLantern

08-29-2008, 08:33 PM

why is there like nobody at this Marlins game?? is there a wet t-shirt contest going on at South Beach tonight?

FaT_tONle

08-29-2008, 09:03 PM

Florida could care less about baseball... you'd think there would be more interest with all the old people there, but they are wrapped up in football 24/7. Plus their baseball teams stink seven out of every eight years... and on a side note, thank God Gregg is their closer...

BlackLantern

08-29-2008, 09:05 PM

It's not like the Marlins suck or anything....even the years they won the WS, you would see empty seats during their playoff runs.......Beltran annihilated that ball...jeezus

FaT_tONle

08-29-2008, 09:11 PM

That's the problem with the game in general... it doesn't appeal to every market. Florida is a football/basketball town. The only way baseball can fix it in my opinion is to provide revenue sharing... but they seem to be content just feeding off their big markets... I guess they are bailed out when one of these surpise teams from a small market makes a run every year but that isn't the long term solution to build a steadily growing fan base.

Spidey-Bat

08-29-2008, 09:32 PM

why is there like nobody at this Marlins game?? is there a wet t-shirt contest going on at South Beach tonight?

I'd say Spring Break but it's only Fall.

Showtime

08-30-2008, 01:56 PM

Nightmare

08-30-2008, 02:33 PM

Dodgers losing streak is at 8. 4 1/2 games out of first.

BlackLantern

08-30-2008, 02:43 PM

Between both Florida and Tampa Bay....the attendance is abysmal...Tampa is leading the AL East and having their best season in forever....I think as it gets closer to the end of the season, the Rays will see more people in the stands

Spidey-Bat

08-30-2008, 02:48 PM

Dodgers losing streak is at 8. 4 1/2 games out of first.

The Dodgers and Yankees are proof you can't name trade deadline winners and losers on the day of or the after the deadline. The Yankees and Dodgers were named the winners. The Yankees have gone 13-14 and the Dodgers 27-26 since July 31st. The Mets were named a loser (for stupid reasons to boot) and have gone 17-10.

FaT_tONle

08-30-2008, 03:51 PM

FaT_tONle

08-30-2008, 09:35 PM

Captain Planet!

08-30-2008, 09:39 PM

I think Shatner's been geting a little... "high... as a kite". Rocky Cherry in the bottom of the 9th? :huh:

Spidey-Bat

08-30-2008, 09:40 PM

Who the hell walks the bases loaded in the ninth inning of a tie game with a runner on third??? That has got to be a bonehead move on Manuel's part... I mean you walk the first guy and play the infield back for the double play ball... but then you load them and play the infield in for the force? Made zero sense to me...

Because there's a guy on 3rd and one out. On a ground ball you have to go home and with a speed Ramirez, that will be hard. Walking the bases loaded gives you a force out on every base. It's the right decision. If you want to get on someone, get on Sanchez for giving up a meatball to Jacobs and Heilman for being gutless and not throwing a strike to Willingham on the 3-1 count.

Schneider also sucks. He can't throw Ramirez out on the ball that gets 2 inches away from him and he nearly lets a ball on a IBB go to the backstop.

BlackLantern

08-30-2008, 10:02 PM

Aaron Heilman can burn in hell....

that is all

Kingfish

08-31-2008, 12:49 AM

Ah, the nightly Mets pity party. Day wouldn't be complete without that.:whatever:

Magic number down to 9 for the Angels.

Spidey-Bat

08-31-2008, 12:51 AM

If you didn't have a closer and your division wasn't the easiest in baseball, you'd be annoyed after having so many of these types of games.

Kingfish

08-31-2008, 02:18 AM

Ah, but I do, and it is, so I'm not.:woot:

cyborg ninja 14

08-31-2008, 03:02 AM

Mets are epic fail. Continuing to bring in Heilman to not blow games hasn't worked lawl.

FaT_tONle

08-31-2008, 08:52 AM

Because there's a guy on 3rd and one out. On a ground ball you have to go home and with a speed Ramirez, that will be hard. Walking the bases loaded gives you a force out on every base. It's the right decision. If you want to get on someone, get on Sanchez for giving up a meatball to Jacobs and Heilman for being gutless and not throwing a strike to Willingham on the 3-1 count.

Schneider also sucks. He can't throw Ramirez out on the ball that gets 2 inches away from him and he nearly lets a ball on a IBB go to the backstop.

I just think it would be easier to turn two going to second and first. Bases loaded gives you no leeway. A hard hit ball that isn't field cleanly and Ramirez is going to score anyway... unless the ball is a short chopper and the only play is at home then you can get that out. I just think Manuel plays it by the book too much.

Dark Donnie

08-31-2008, 08:01 PM

If you didn't have a closer and your division wasn't the easiest in baseball, you'd be annoyed after having so many of these types of games.

Were all having bullpen problems of late(not nearly as bad as the Mets BP has been but still)......Phils would have swept The Cubs if they did blow two leads in the first two games.

There showing interest in Farnsworth....

Ziggyman

08-31-2008, 08:49 PM

My boy Halladay is the dark horse to win Al Cy Young!

Immortalfire

08-31-2008, 09:53 PM

why is there like nobody at this Marlins game?? is there a wet t-shirt contest going on at South Beach tonight?

In the southeast, baseball ends when football begins.

The Riddler

08-31-2008, 10:45 PM

ahahah.

another terrible performance by the overrated webb.

lincecum is now going to be the nl's cy young award winner.

NewYorkSpider

08-31-2008, 11:16 PM

C.C Sabathia got denied a no-hitter. It should have been ruled an error.

Excel

08-31-2008, 11:27 PM

A month after the trade, lets compare:

Manny Ramirez: .419, 9 homers, 25 rbi's, 19 runs, .743 slg%, 1.243 ops, .500 ob%
Jason Bay: .327, 4 homers, 29 rbi's, 22 runs, .533 slg%, .902 ops, .370 ob%

Bay's rbi number, and all of Mannys numbers, are eye poppingly huge for 1 month. I can live with Bay not out-homering Manny if he keeps being an RBI machine.

Nightmare

08-31-2008, 11:34 PM

Dodgers :up:

Only 2 1/2 out now.

Spidey-Bat

08-31-2008, 11:39 PM

Captain Planet!

09-01-2008, 12:10 AM

Lincecum looks like he should be working at Burger King. Seriously, the guy looks like he's 15.

Dodger

09-01-2008, 01:18 AM

The Dodgers take the series from Arizona. Even beat there two top pitchers! But, I just know in the upcoming week there going to go on a loosing streak. They just are. This team does not know how to win and we have nobody to protect Manny....

:( Baseball makes me so pessimistic.

Spidey-Bat

09-01-2008, 08:21 AM

Lincecum looks like he should be working at Burger King. Seriously, the guy looks like he's 15.

He looks that old to you?

NewYorkSpider

09-01-2008, 03:30 PM

ahahah.

another terrible performance by the overrated webb.

lincecum is now going to be the nl's cy young award winner.

I don't see how Brandon Webb is overrated. He's had 15+ win seasons in his last three years and an ERA under 3.20 in all them. He won the Cy Young Award in '06. In 2005 he went 14-12 when the D'Backs had one of lowest batting averege in MLB. So again, I really don't see how Webb is overrated.

BlackLantern

09-01-2008, 03:43 PM

...and Eric Gagne once again proves how far he has fallen....

MoPlaYa

09-01-2008, 04:01 PM

I`m still hoping for a Cubs vs Angels World Series

Excel

09-01-2008, 11:02 PM

Can Dustin Pedroia really win MVP?

Showtime

09-01-2008, 11:15 PM

No.

Kingfish

09-02-2008, 12:38 AM

God no.

Excel

09-02-2008, 12:42 AM

Then why did are Fenway fans chanting MVP when he is up?

Kingfish

09-02-2008, 12:46 AM

Because they're drunk?

Nightmare

09-02-2008, 01:03 AM

Dodgers :up: 3 in a row!

NewYorkSpider

09-02-2008, 02:42 AM

Can Dustin Pedroia really win MVP?

AL MVP will come down between Hamilton and Quentin.

cyborg ninja 14

09-02-2008, 02:52 AM

My boy Halladay is the dark horse to win Al Cy Young!

How can he be a darkhouse when he's been the best pitcher in the AL? Cliff Lee has more wins, but Halladay has better numbers and pitches like a CG per start practically.

cyborg ninja 14

09-02-2008, 02:58 AM

ahahah.

another terrible performance by the overrated webb.

lincecum is now going to be the nl's cy young award winner.

So a pitcher with the best sinker and best GB/FB ratio the last several years in the game is deemed overrated because he had a bad game in on national TV? Stop me if you've seen any good pitcher do that before:o I've seen many of Webb's starts since his debut in '03. He'll have the occasional stretch of starts where he battles his arm slot and his elbow drops, it happens to him a few times every year. But overral is still a very good pitcher who by no means is overrated. And Lincecum all along was going to be the cy young winner in my eyes because of his Ks, WHIP, and ERA

Spidey-Bat

09-02-2008, 07:28 AM

Fact: Tim Lincecum has never pitched in a big game.

Showtime

09-02-2008, 07:32 AM

Then why did are Fenway fans chanting MVP when he is up?

I didn't realize fans at Fenway were voting for MVP this year?

Darthphere

09-02-2008, 08:34 AM

I start chanting MVP at Dan Uggla at Marlins games. Does that mean he's actually an MVP candidate?

ih8nyy

09-02-2008, 09:12 AM

Can Dustin Pedroia really win MVP?

Prob. not. The guy has hit in just about every spot in the line up and has produced at ever spot in the line up. But Youk has done the same thing and has played 4 seperate positions. So in my opinion he should get the MVP consideration. But if the Chi Sox make the playoffs then it will be Quentin.

Then why did are Fenway fans chanting MVP when he is up?

I was wondering that myself and I was there on Sat. and Sun.

Because they're drunk?

Good point and QFT.

Showtime

09-02-2008, 10:34 AM

I start chanting MVP at Dan Uggla at Marlins games. Does that mean he's actually an MVP candidate?

Yes? Didn't you read what Excel said? :csad:

Darthphere

09-02-2008, 10:36 AM

Oh man, how exciting!

cyborg ninja 14

09-02-2008, 10:48 AM

Fact: Tim Lincecum has never pitched in a big game.
:o

I start chanting MVP at Dan Uggla at Marlins games. Does that mean he's actually an MVP candidate?

If a Marlins fan does that, does anyone hear him?

Darthphere

09-02-2008, 10:51 AM

No, no one else is there.

But seriously, we do have a Cody Ross chant.

cyborg ninja 14

09-02-2008, 10:56 AM

What does a Cody Ross chant sound like?

Darthphere

09-02-2008, 10:57 AM

CODY! CODY! CODY!

:huh:

Seriously, people love him.

cyborg ninja 14

09-02-2008, 11:00 AM

CODY! CODY! CODY!

:huh:

Seriously, people love him.

I thought it something creative like what the Rockies fans do for Tulowitski:o

and I assume they love him for his 19 HRs in 100 hits this year.

Darthphere

09-02-2008, 11:01 AM

He's just a loveable guy.

Captain Planet!

09-02-2008, 11:29 AM

I can't believe Markakis made an error on that play last night. :(

Kingfish

09-02-2008, 01:08 PM

Of course Cody Ross is well-loved. Isn't he a Mormon?

ih8nyy

09-02-2008, 03:50 PM

Of course Cody Ross is well-loved. Isn't he a Mormon?

I don't know, how many wives does he have? :oldrazz:

Kingfish

09-02-2008, 05:53 PM

That's kinda what I was impying. But thanks for spelling it out.

ih8nyy

09-03-2008, 06:26 AM

That's kinda what I was impying. But thanks for spelling it out.

I'm always here to help.

FaT_tONle

09-03-2008, 08:21 AM

Webb has stunk up the joint recently... getting his team in the playoffs wouldn't be saying much either. Lincecum should be considered for the Cy Young.

Darthphere

09-03-2008, 10:19 AM

The Marlins are the definition of under achievement. You stage a huge comeback from 10-3 down and you still end up losing 16-14? This is why no one takes them seriously. Hopefully, the core stays intact next year, and a little bit more mature they can get the job done.

Spidey-Bat

09-03-2008, 10:33 AM

This is from June but I never saw it before:

http://www.tiricosuave.com/images/manuelgangster.jpg

Dark Donnie

09-03-2008, 10:38 AM

I've seen that....There's one with him doing a gun symbol to his head and a sideways hat as well, and there's another one with him and Jose Reyes.

BlackLantern

09-03-2008, 10:47 AM

Jerry Manuel will ****ing cut you....

cyborg ninja 14

09-03-2008, 03:11 PM

Webb has stunk up the joint recently... getting his team in the playoffs wouldn't be saying much either. Lincecum should be considered for the Cy Young.

Whether or not if a pitcher for a contending team makes the playoffs shouldn't be a factor when considering the Cy Young.

Nightmare

09-03-2008, 04:02 PM

Manny Ramirez NL player of the month. :up:

BlackLantern

09-03-2008, 04:04 PM

a 3 game sweep of the Milwaukee Brewers...fantastic...now to take out those bums from Philadelphia

Excel

09-03-2008, 04:06 PM

Prob. not. The guy has hit in just about every spot in the line up and has produced at ever spot in the line up. But Youk has done the same thing and has played 4 seperate positions. So in my opinion he should get the MVP consideration. But if the Chi Sox make the playoffs then it will be Quentin.

Espn had a Youkilis-less MVP poll, and Pedey got 60% of the vote :up: :up:

I was wondering that myself and I was there on Sat. and Sun.
Same. I was there Saturday and heard MVP and was like "wtf" :huh:

But he is nasty, so...

Manny Ramirez NL player of the month. :up:

Not a real shocker.

Showtime

09-03-2008, 04:13 PM

What about the A.L. POTM?

Spidey-Bat

09-03-2008, 05:20 PM

Espn had a Youkilis-less MVP poll, and Pedey got 60% of the vote :up: :up:

Pedey? Isn't that Pedro's nickname?

Nightmare

09-03-2008, 05:32 PM

Pedroia stole it i guess.

Raiden

09-03-2008, 05:42 PM

a 3 game sweep of the Milwaukee Brewers...fantastic...now to take out those bums from Philadelphia

Looks like Mets are getting their acts together, bullpen or not.

BlackLantern

09-03-2008, 05:48 PM

well Delgado is getting hot...Wright and Beltran are lukewarm but are getting there and they are playing good baseball right now....

Nightmare

09-03-2008, 05:48 PM

This is like a Mets board.

Spidey-Bat

09-03-2008, 06:02 PM

That's because most everyone probably hates them because of me.

Showtime

09-03-2008, 07:05 PM

Pedey? Isn't that Pedro's nickname?

"Petey" was Pedro's nickname..."Pedey" just sounds wrong.

Pedroia stole it i guess.

Who the heck calls him that?

Spidey-Bat

09-03-2008, 07:06 PM

I wouldn't even call Pedroia "Dusty" since it associates him with Dusty Baker who is a horrible manager.

Showtime

09-03-2008, 07:20 PM

I wouldn't even call Pedroia "Dusty" since it associates him with Dusty Baker who is a horrible manager.

I don't think he has an official nickname yet, I think the announces call him Pedroia "The Destroyer" or something to that effect, but it's terrible.

Spidey-Bat

09-03-2008, 07:21 PM

I hate nicknames. Braves fans might be the worst with nicknames. Salty? Frency? JJ?

FaT_tONle

09-03-2008, 08:20 PM

If the Mets can somehow sweep the race will be all but over... what are the pitching matchups going into that series?

BlackLantern

09-03-2008, 08:24 PM

I believe Santana goes Friday or Saturday....

Showtime

09-03-2008, 08:35 PM

I hate nicknames. Braves fans might be the worst with nicknames. Salty? Frency? JJ?

Gross. I can't even read those names without feeling like a ball of sick.

Spidey-Bat

09-03-2008, 08:43 PM

I forgot Huddy. I don't know if you can count Chipper.

Showtime

09-03-2008, 08:50 PM

Chipper I like.

Spidey-Bat

09-03-2008, 09:07 PM

I think he had that nickname growing up. I don't think Braves fans called him that.

Alex The Great

09-03-2008, 09:33 PM

Good Lord, Thee marlins stadium is always empty every time i see there home game highlights....
Thee's like...a couple hundred there.

Dark Donnie

09-03-2008, 10:13 PM

If the Mets can somehow sweep the race will be all but over... what are the pitching matchups going into that series?

I would be very surprised if we are swept....

Myers vs Pelfrey-Both have been great of late.
Moyer vs Pedro-I like Moyer
Hamels vs Santana-The battle of no run support.

Captain Planet!

09-03-2008, 10:18 PM

"Pedey" just sounds wrong.

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd113/forgivingdurden4/runscw.gif

BlackLantern

09-03-2008, 10:19 PM

moyer vs. pedro - Grumpy Old Men...i think today proves that the Mets offensive issues are getting resolved...

Captain Planet!

09-03-2008, 10:23 PM

What about the A.L. POTM?
Melvin Mora. Woot. Too bad the big baby gets hurt every other day. :whatever:

Spidey-Bat

09-03-2008, 10:28 PM

I would be very surprised if we are swept....

Myers vs Pelfrey-Both have been great of late.
Moyer vs Pedro-I like Moyer
Hamels vs Santana-The battle of no run support.

Thankfully this one is at Shea so 99% of the fly balls hit will stay in the park unlike CPB.

FaT_tONle

09-03-2008, 10:44 PM

I would be very surprised if we are swept....

I wouldn't...

Myers vs Pelfrey-Both have been great of late.

Yeah that's a win...

Moyer vs Pedro-I like Moyer

That's a win...

Hamels vs Santana-The battle of no run support

That's a win... unless someone in the bullpen implodes... the Met bullpen is the only outlet the Phillies have on the Mets. You pray someone impodes and hope to hell Lidge can hold it.

And as crazy as it sounds... I actually don't want Wagner back... as soon as he comes back everyone will go back to stinking 200% rather than 100%... and Wagner will still blow the big names no doubt. I think if the Mets are able to build a cusion where Wagner is coming in with no pressure then you may have something to work with. Even in the playoffs... I wouldn't just hand Wagner back the closer spot even if he's healthy but has struggled.

Spidey-Bat

09-03-2008, 10:59 PM

Excel

09-03-2008, 11:04 PM

Who the heck calls him that?

All of his team mates, Tito, the Boston media...:huh:

FaT_tONle

09-03-2008, 11:06 PM

Tonie, you are either bi-polar, schizo, or just plain crazy.

A month ago you wouldn't say the Mets could sweep the Phillies.

Here's what's going to happen:

Game 1-The Mets lead by 5 runs in the bottom of the 8th. Duaner Sanchez comes in. He gives up a bloop hit. A throwing error by Wright gets another on board. Then he hits a guy. Pedro Feliciano comes in to face Matt Stairs who hits a HR off him to give the Phillies the lead. Phillies win.

Game 2- Mets bomb Jamie Moyer again. Pedro goes 6 strong and leaves with a 6-1 lead. Bullpen gives up 4 runs over 3 innings and barely hangs on to win 6-5.

Game 3- Pitching duel. Hamels will have given up 1 run in the 7th. After hit, error, and ground out, gives up a sac fly to give the Mets a 2-1 lead. Santana pitches a scoreless 7. Bullpen gives up 2 walks and a hit the next 2 innings but hang on to win.

Bottom line is... every bullpen has issues... I mean look at the Brewers, D-Backs, even the Phillies with their inconsistency. Unless you got Mo in there you have a bad bullpen. I mean Met fans are going to rant because the last two years haven't ended the way it should have... but with the Mets hitting and their rotation as it is this is their division to lose. They'll get 2-3 this weekend. Bullpen will blow a game I'll admit it... but I wouldn't be suprised if we start inching away here pretty soon.

BlackLantern

09-04-2008, 12:05 AM

I hope for 2 out of 3.....I think one of the games will be a blow out, but I don't know which team will get that....

Nightmare

09-04-2008, 12:07 AM

Dodgers win again! :up: still 1 1/2 back.

Darthphere

09-04-2008, 07:04 AM

Good Lord, Thee marlins stadium is always empty every time i see there home game highlights....
Thee's like...a couple hundred there.

Yeah, you should probably just get over it. It's not changing anytime soon.

Dark Donnie

09-04-2008, 07:53 AM

I wouldn't...

Yeah that's a win...

That's a win...

That's a win... unless someone in the bullpen implodes... the Met bullpen is the only outlet the Phillies have on the Mets. You pray someone impodes and hope to hell Lidge can hold it.

And as crazy as it sounds... I actually don't want Wagner back... as soon as he comes back everyone will go back to stinking 200% rather than 100%... and Wagner will still blow the big names no doubt. I think if the Mets are able to build a cusion where Wagner is coming in with no pressure then you may have something to work with. Even in the playoffs... I wouldn't just hand Wagner back the closer spot even if he's healthy but has struggled.
The Mets have been playing lights out, as much as I hate them I won't deny that.....but considering how well they played I'm amazed the Phillies are even in this at this point....I mean they've won 19 of 25...something like that.

If you actually looked Myers has pitched very well his last 3-4 starts....I think he's in store for another solid outing.

If we can get any of our starters a lead...are bullpen should be fine closing it out, although rocky the past 3 weeks, there still one of the best in the league.

Spidey-Bat

09-04-2008, 11:12 AM

The pressure is on the Phillies now. Even if they win 2 of 3, they're still 2 games back. They may think they can beat the Mets because of last year but they're 5-10 against the Mets this year (and they're lucky to have some of those 5 wins).

Immortalfire

09-04-2008, 11:23 AM

Any nickname is better than the endless line of first letter of your first name-first few letters of your last.

Dark Donnie

09-04-2008, 11:25 AM

If they won 2 of 3....that would be huge.

Spidey-Bat

09-04-2008, 11:26 AM

Not really. It's only 1 game they gained.

Dark Donnie

09-04-2008, 11:26 AM

Still it's better then losing ground....

BlackLantern

09-04-2008, 11:30 AM

I'd like for the Mets to sweep....put their foot down on Phillys throat and end this thing

Spidey-Bat

09-04-2008, 11:31 AM

Still it's better then losing ground....

It's not huge though. Phillies need to sweep for it to be huge.

ih8nyy

09-04-2008, 11:38 AM

Yeah, you should probably just get over it. It's not changing anytime soon.

They had 600 people there at first pitch on Wed. HA!

The one that is a real disgrace is Tampa. They have a 1st place team and are averaging 15,000 per game. That's just wrong.

ih8nyy

09-04-2008, 11:40 AM

Any nickname is better than the endless line of first letter of your first name-first few letters of your last.

You got that right I-Fire.

You see what I did there?

Dark Donnie

09-04-2008, 11:42 AM

It's not huge though. Phillies need to sweep for it to be huge.

It would be huge in the sense how bad this team has been playing. They were clearly the best team in the division for much of the year and have since fallen flat, while The Mets have been unstoppable. 2 out of 3 against the first place team, who have been tremendous over there last 25 games or so is huge...they haven't lost a series over that stretch....

Call it want you want...Phillies fans would be very happy with 2 out of 3.

fu manchu

09-04-2008, 07:09 PM

Angel wins 7-1. Great performance by Santana. Magic number is now down to 6. :up:

Spidey-Bat

09-04-2008, 07:15 PM

The weirdest thing about the Angels is they have a better record against AL East teams than they do against AL West teams. I'd love to see them put the final nail in the Yankees' coffin in their upcoming series by sweeping them.

Nightmare

09-04-2008, 07:26 PM

Showtime

09-04-2008, 07:50 PM

Angel wins 7-1. Great performance by Santana. Magic number is now down to 6. :up:

The weirdest thing about the Angels is they have a better record against AL East teams than they do against AL West teams. I'd love to see them put the final nail in the Yankees' coffin in their upcoming series by sweeping them.

I wonder if they could possibly lose to the Red Sox for the 4th time in like 6 seasons during the playoffs though? :csad:

Nightmare

09-04-2008, 07:57 PM

I wonder if they could possibly lose to the Red Sox for the 4th time in like 6 seasons during the playoffs though? :csad:

Nah, i think Manny was the one that killed the angels during the playoffs. The Angels will wait to choke against Manny and the dodgers in the world series. :cwink:

FaT_tONle

09-04-2008, 08:05 PM

It's gonna be wierd with Yankees elimination this year... usually the next three days following their playoff knockout (last year it was about three weeks in the New York media outlets)... every sports media shuts down all their coverage of everything except the Yankees. The soap opera with Steinbrenner, A-Rod's meltdown, Cashman's status, Torre's status... all of that is gone... this year it's been a gradual downfall... takes all the fun away. I mean no one is going to make anything out of it even when they are mathematically eliminated... luckily the Mets and Cubs give some juice to October.

ih8nyy

09-04-2008, 08:08 PM

I wonder if they could possibly lose to the Red Sox for the 4th time in like 6 seasons during the playoffs though? :csad:

Oh Snap!

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg277/cpoconnor/aheathosnap.png

Spidey-Bat

09-04-2008, 08:09 PM

I wonder if they could possibly lose to the Red Sox for the 4th time in like 6 seasons during the playoffs though? :csad:

Angels are 8-1 against Boston this year.

It's gonna be wierd with Yankees elimination this year.

If by "wierd" you mean "weird" and by "weird you mean "great", then I agree.

Nah, i think Manny was the one that killed the angels during the playoffs. The Angels will wait to choke against Manny and the dodgers in the world series. :cwink:

Dodgers couldn't even beat the Nationals. How are they making it to the WS?

ih8nyy

09-04-2008, 08:09 PM

Nah, i think Manny was the one that killed the angels during the playoffs. The Angels will wait to choke against Manny and the dodgers in the world series. :cwink:

We don't need Manny to beat them. We need Beckett pitching well. If he is good to go, I will take my chances with Beckett, Lester, Dice-K and prob. Byrd.

FaT_tONle

09-04-2008, 08:14 PM

I really think Boston has no shot of beating Anaheim... they've been dominated by them this year... you pray that you catch Tampa if you are the Sox and let the Rays do your dirty work. Boston is looking at a one series and done if the standings hold up as they are now.

Nightmare

09-04-2008, 08:15 PM

Dodgers couldn't even beat the Nationals. How are they making it to the WS?

Damn, those pesky Nats. Guess the dodgers beating Dan Haren and Brandon Webb back to back games mean nothing.

ih8nyy

09-04-2008, 08:19 PM

I really think Boston has no shot of beating Anaheim... they've been dominated by them in recent years... you pray that you catch Tampa if you are the Sox and let the Rays do your dirty work. Boston is looking at a one series and done if the standings hold up as they are now.

And a few years ago they were dead after 3 games against the skanks. Don't count them out. All it takes is a team getting hot and anyone can win it.

No doubt the Los Angeles Angels of Anahiem, CA in the US of A are a good squad, but it only takes a slump to do in a team. I have the utmost respect for the way they play the game, they do all the little things well and they have speed and defense, which is key. No doubt they are a tough challenge, but the Sox are just starting to play some good ball.

Nightmare

09-04-2008, 08:21 PM

And a few years ago they were dead after 3 games against the skanks. Don't count them out. All it takes is a team getting hot and anyone can win it.

No doubt the Los Angeles Angels of Anahiem, CA in the US of A are a good squad, but it only takes a slump to do in a team. I have the utmost respect for the way they play the game, they do all the little things well and they have speed and defense, which is key. No doubt they are a tough challenge, but the Sox are just starting to play some good ball.

To be the champs, you gotta beat the champs. Whooooo

ih8nyy

09-04-2008, 08:23 PM

To be the champs, you gotta beat the champs. Whooooo

Too true and that road will go through the Fens. Pack a lunch.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg277/cpoconnor/Flair.jpg

Spidey-Bat

09-04-2008, 08:26 PM

Damn, those pesky Nats. Guess the dodgers beating Dan Haren and Brandon Webb back to back games mean nothing.

Arizona is not the cream of the crop. Webb and Haren have not been great as of late.

ih8nyy

09-04-2008, 08:27 PM

Arizona is not the cream of the crop. Webb and Haren have not been great as of late.

The NL West is awful.

Spidey-Bat

09-04-2008, 08:32 PM

Too true and that road will go through the Fens. Pack a lunch.

Last I checked, Fenway Park was neither in the air nor between Anaheim and Chicago.

ih8nyy

09-04-2008, 08:38 PM

Last I checked, Fenway Park was neither in the air nor between Anaheim and Chicago.

Well it certainly isn't any place near NY. Enjoy the view.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg277/cpoconnor/vanwilder.jpg

Spidey-Bat

09-04-2008, 08:47 PM

Well it certainly isn't any place near NY. Enjoy the view.

Thank God. NY doesn't need a place that smells like urine with 40,000 drunks a night.

ih8nyy

09-04-2008, 08:55 PM

Thank God. NY doesn't need a place that smells like urine with 40,000 drunks a night.

I don't know of any stadium in Boston that has that many seats. Check your math.

Besides all of NYC smells like a urinal. They need one big urinal cake for that place.

NewYorkSpider

09-04-2008, 08:57 PM

I don't know of any stadium in Boston that has that many seats. Check your math.

Besides all of NYC smells like a urinal. They need one big urinal cake for that place.

Fenway has close to 40,000 seats? :huh:

ih8nyy

09-04-2008, 09:00 PM

Fenway has close to 40,000 seats? :huh:

Close, but not 40,000. I am splitting hairs here.
I think they have it up to 39,000 and change.

Spidey-Bat

09-04-2008, 09:01 PM

Fenway has close to 40,000 seats? :huh:

Employees

ih8nyy

09-04-2008, 09:04 PM

Employees

I wish. It'd be easier to get a beer.

NewYorkSpider

09-04-2008, 09:04 PM

Close, but not 40,000. I am splitting hairs here.
I think they have it up to 39,000 and change.

They had 39,928 in there this year.

Kingfish

09-04-2008, 10:54 PM

The Angel's fate against Boston in the playoffs will likely hinge on whether or not Vlad figures out how to hit in the post-season.

As far as the pitching match-ups:

Lackey vs. Beckett:
Beckett is hurt and hittable right now. Lackey is at the top of his game, and has beaten the Sawk twice this year, including coming within an out of a no-hitter. And that was with Manny. Lackey gets the edge.

Santana vs. Matsuzaka:
Tough match-up. Both pitchers have been phenomenal this year. The Sawk haven't seen Santana this year, which could be the difference since he's improved so much. I give the Angels the edge, since they beat up on Daisuke earlier this year and smoked him last playoffs.

Saunders vs. Lester:
Saunders has beaten the Sawk twice this year and has some of his best career numbers against them. He gets the edge, as the Angels did get to Lester earlier this year.

Garland vs. Byrd:
Battle of the soft-tossers. Both have been pretty average this year. Toss-up.

Spidey-Bat

09-04-2008, 11:36 PM

I'd take Lester over Saunders. Saunders does not K enough guys.

Kingfish

09-04-2008, 11:52 PM

Valid point. I still give it to Saunders in a match-up due to his track record against Boston.

BlackLantern

09-05-2008, 07:48 AM

I don't know of any stadium in Boston that has that many seats. Check your math.

Besides all of NYC smells like a urinal. They need one big urinal cake for that place.

No...that's just the Bronx

fu manchu

09-05-2008, 08:20 AM

ih8nyy

09-05-2008, 02:31 PM

There goes Quentins MVP chances.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3571240

Spidey-Bat

09-05-2008, 02:35 PM

and the White Sox' playoff chances.

Dark Donnie

09-05-2008, 02:41 PM

My fantasy died when he went down

ih8nyy

09-05-2008, 03:36 PM

And Pedroia's MVP chances just shot up big time.

Captain Planet!

09-05-2008, 03:52 PM

I went to NYC and Yankee Stadium back in July... the only things that smelled like urine were the bathrooms behind the bleacher seats.

Showtime

09-05-2008, 04:13 PM

Nah, i think Manny was the one that killed the angels during the playoffs. The Angels will wait to choke against Manny and the dodgers in the world series. :cwink:

That whole quote is funny considering Manny has gone to the Dodgers and hit great but the team is below 500 and the Red Sox are on fire...

Angels are 8-1 against Boston this year.

Regular Season?

I really think Boston has no shot of beating Anaheim... they've been dominated by them this year... you pray that you catch Tampa if you are the Sox and let the Rays do your dirty work. Boston is looking at a one series and done if the standings hold up as they are now.

How many times has the Wild Card team won the WS again?

BlackLantern

09-05-2008, 04:16 PM

the Marlins were a wild card the first time they won it, I believe the Angels were a wild card as well

Showtime

09-05-2008, 04:26 PM

1997 Florida Marlins
2002 Anaheim Angels
2003 Florida Marlins
2004 Boston Red Sox

Spidey-Bat

09-05-2008, 04:50 PM

I went to NYC and Yankee Stadium back in July... the only things that smelled like urine were the bathrooms behind the bleacher seats.

That must be the smell from the bleachers going into the bathrooms.

FaT_tONle

09-05-2008, 04:58 PM

How many times has the Wild Card team won the WS again?

Not since 04... what does that matter? Sox have already won pennants... teams will be gunning for them. THe wild card teams that have won usually get overlooked. Not the case this time. Anaheim has had their number this year.

BlackLantern

09-05-2008, 05:03 PM

I remember in '02 when the offensive juggernaut of Anaheim steamrolled the mighty Yankees

Nightmare

09-05-2008, 07:22 PM

Yeah, and since then in the playoffs they get steam rolled by the red sox.

Spidey-Bat

09-05-2008, 07:29 PM

Least they make the playoffs. This year they will go far.

Nightmare

09-05-2008, 08:02 PM

Least they make the playoffs. This year they will go far.

Says who? The Angels could be one and done just like the past seasons. The red sox own them in the playoffs. They're like the cubs once the bright lights and media come out. They fold.

Dark Donnie

09-05-2008, 08:49 PM

Myers pitched a gem tonight. Nice win for The Phils.

Spidey-Bat

09-05-2008, 08:55 PM

He must have increased his arm strength by beating his wife more.

Says who? The Angels could be one and done just like the past seasons. The red sox own them in the playoffs. They're like the cubs once the bright lights and media come out. They fold.

They beat the Red Sox 8-1 this year in the regular season. Even Lackey (who had horrible numbers against them) beat them. One year, they WILL go far again.

Dark Donnie

09-05-2008, 08:57 PM

He must have increased his arm strength by beating his wife more.

at least your not down about the loss.:whatever: . Guy dominated your team tonight...I wouldn't be surprised if Santana returned the favor sunday.

Why doesn't Murphy start....seems like a nice young player, not to mention he works the count very nice.

Spidey-Bat

09-05-2008, 09:02 PM

at least your not down about the loss.:whatever: There is no concrete evidence that even happened
I call him a wife beater whenever he starts. He's a ****bag and deserves to be treated as one.

Why doesn't Murphy start....seems like a nice young player, not to mention he works the count very nice.

He's in a lefty/righty platoon with Nick Evans.

Dark Donnie

09-05-2008, 09:06 PM

I call him a wife beater whenever he starts. He's a ****bag and deserves to be treated as one.

He's in a lefty/righty platoon with Nick Evans.
It happened...still the information was sketchy....at this point I'm more concerned with what he does on the field. He's been the 2nd or 3rd best pitcher since the all star break...hopefully he keeps it up.

Murphy, for being a young guy doesn't back down....great at bat against Lidge tonight.

BlackLantern

09-05-2008, 09:11 PM

tough loss but after a 3 game sweep over the brewers, it's not so bad.....have to make it up tomorrow

Spidey-Bat

09-05-2008, 09:12 PM

tough loss but after a 3 game sweep over the brewers, it's not so bad.....have to make it up tomorrow

Too bad Pedro sucks. But so does Moyer.

Doubt it will be played though. There's supposed to be heavy rain and 20 mph winds tomorrow.

BlackLantern

09-05-2008, 09:17 PM

Pedro vs. Moyer....god I can practically hear the joints creaking from here....here in CT its supposed to be craptastic weather tomorrow

Kingfish

09-06-2008, 12:16 AM

Says who? The Angels could be one and done just like the past seasons. The red sox own them in the playoffs. They're like the cubs once the bright lights and media come out. They fold.

Yes, Boston clearly had their number those two seasons. This year the Angels have owned the Sawk. By those very definitions, the Angels have the advantage on paper. Anything can happen.

Except of course the Dodgers making a good free-agent signing.

Nightmare

09-06-2008, 12:44 AM

Speaking of the dodgers.

Dodgers win again. Their 6th in a row. 1/2 game behind arizona now. :up:

Kingfish

09-06-2008, 12:55 AM

So, basically, they win 5 in a row, lose 8 in a row, then win 6 in a row.

Enjoy next week.

Showtime

09-06-2008, 09:21 AM

Not since 04... what does that matter? Sox have already won pennants... teams will be gunning for them. THe wild card teams that have won usually get overlooked. Not the case this time. Anaheim has had their number this year.

So it doesn't matter that Wild Cards win the World Series but it somehow matters that the Red Sox have already won pennants...so they can't win more? I don't understand.

They have two more wins then Boston and are tied for wins with Tampa Bay...

Red Sox were 6-4 vs the Angels during the 2007 season, not exactly dominating, yet they swept them in the playoffs in 2007 right?

The Red Sox were 5-4 vs the Angels during the 2004 season, not exactly dominating, and the Red Sox also swept the Angels.

Yes, Boston clearly had their number those two seasons. This year the Angels have owned the Sawk. By those very definitions, the Angels have the advantage on paper. Anything can happen.

Don't forget 2003. As above I don't really think the regular season has much bearing on how teams perform vs said team in the postseason.

Spidey-Bat

09-06-2008, 10:28 AM

Don't forget 2003. As above I don't really think the regular season has much bearing on how teams perform vs said team in the postseason.

That is true. In 1988, the Mets were 10-1 against the Dodgers in the regular season.

The Red Sox are very different from 2007. No Manny, Lowell is not having a great season, neither is Papi. Beckett has had a bad season. The bullpen is not as dominant.

Excel

09-06-2008, 11:00 AM

Rm1EOHWA-eA

Showtime

09-06-2008, 11:39 AM

That is true. In 1988, the Mets were 10-1 against the Dodgers in the regular season.

I personally think that applies to all sports.

The Red Sox are very different from 2007. No Manny, Lowell is not having a great season, neither is Papi. Beckett has had a bad season. The bullpen is not as dominant.

I agree they aren't the same team, their bullpen certainly isn't that strong. However, they don't seem to be missing Manny all that much.

Mike Lowell has only played in 102 Games and has 386 ABs. I think 15 HR, 71 RBI's is pretty damn good production. He came back last night and had 3 hits with a HR and 4 RBI's.

In regards to David Ortiz, he's only played in 90 games and has had 344 ABs with 17 HR and 70 RBIs, not that bad if you ask me. Not sure how the numbers would look if he played a full season.

Beckett is definately having an off year but looked pretty decent last night.

This might be a different Red Sox team, but they are certainly not a weak Red Sox team.

FaT_tONle

09-06-2008, 11:47 AM

So it doesn't matter that Wild Cards win the World Series but it somehow matters that the Red Sox have already won pennants...so they can't win more? I don't understand.

They have two more wins then Boston and are tied for wins with Tampa Bay...

Red Sox were 6-4 vs the Angels during the 2007 season, not exactly dominating, yet they swept them in the playoffs in 2007 right?

The Red Sox were 5-4 vs the Angels during the 2004 season, not exactly dominating, and the Red Sox also swept the Angels.

Well we'll just have to find out in October... because right now I give the Sox 0% chance of winning that series. It may go to five games but Anaheim is by far the better ball club. As I said before... hope that Tampa chokes the division...

Kingfish

09-06-2008, 01:57 PM

I say it again. Anything can happen. It's the postseason. Right now, I give the advantage to the Angels since their pitching is better, and their hitters seem to have figured out Boston starters. They beat Beckett and Lester, and smoked Daisuke and Byrd. To me, that gives them an advantage.

But it's still the postseason and it's still an extremely small amount of games, so anything can happen. Much of it will probably hinge on whether or not Vlad finally hits during a playoff series. But with everything that has happened this season, I don't see how any rational thinker can give the Sawk the advantage going in.

Spidey-Bat

09-06-2008, 02:04 PM

The thing is, they don't even need Vlad to carry the team in the post season. They have Torii Hunter who has had very good post season numbers as well as Teixeira who has been on fire since joining the Angels.

Excel

09-06-2008, 02:56 PM

The Sox dont have Manny to rock Krod either, but they have improved Pedroia, Youk, and Bay has been a an rbi machine. We dont have Lugo either :up: :up:

And Beckett will regain post season form in....you guessed it...the post season. Dice-k has been dominant, and Lester is filthy too.

Spidey-Bat

09-06-2008, 03:12 PM

And Beckett will regain post season form in....you guessed it...the off season.

Fixed

Excel

09-06-2008, 03:14 PM

Fixed

He looked pretty damn good last night :o

Spidey-Bat

09-06-2008, 03:24 PM

You're right. He's had one good game so he must be back to form. It's impossible for him to not do well the rest of the month.

Excel

09-06-2008, 03:52 PM

I didnt say that :o

Spidey-Bat

09-06-2008, 03:55 PM

Knowing you, you were at least thinking it.

Excel

09-06-2008, 04:03 PM

Knowing you, you were at least thinking it.

:nono:

Showtime

09-06-2008, 04:11 PM

Well we'll just have to find out in October... because right now I give the Sox 0% chance of winning that series. It may go to five games but Anaheim is by far the better ball club. As I said before... hope that Tampa chokes the division...

0% Chance? Wow.

Showtime

09-06-2008, 04:13 PM

BlackLantern

09-06-2008, 04:27 PM

well mathematically.....if you make the post-season you have a percentage of making the WS

Showtime

09-06-2008, 07:28 PM

well mathematically.....if you make the post-season you have a percentage of making the WS

Right. So FatTonie needs to do the math. :o

Excel

09-06-2008, 08:14 PM

Spidey-Bat

09-06-2008, 08:17 PM

Post season is never about which tream is better on paper, it ALWAYS decided by whoever simply gets hot at the right time. Thats how teans like 2001 Mariners who win 116 in the reg season get bounced in the divisional round, or...how teams like the sox go from being down 3-0 and 3-1 in the ALCS to win 7-8 games straight to sweep a ws title.

What about the Rockies? They swept the NLDS and NLCS last year including winning 10 of their last 11 to make the playoffs.

And the Tigers? After losing Game 1 of the ALDS they won the next 4 and swept the ALCS.

Captain Planet!

09-06-2008, 08:31 PM

I'll tell you who's gonna win the WS.... the Orioles. No one will see it coming.

Excel

09-06-2008, 08:34 PM

What about the Rockies? They swept the NLDS and NLCS last year including winning 10 of their last 11 to make the playoffs.

And the Tigers? After losing Game 1 of the ALDS they won the next 4 and swept the ALCS.

I was JUST about to say, the 2nd biggest thing (after getting hot) is NOT have to having a long wait...the Tigers had a week off waiting for st louis; Rockies had a wait waiting for the Sox, ect.

Nightmare

09-06-2008, 08:40 PM

The Dodgers in first place by themselves since the beginning of april!!!

Spidey-Bat

09-06-2008, 08:41 PM

When is their 6 game losing streak coming?

The Riddler

09-06-2008, 09:44 PM

anyone want to argue for webb being the cy young winner now?

lincecum will win it.

Excel

09-06-2008, 10:05 PM

lincecum will win it.

He better or that the biggest ******** award ever :o

Spidey-Bat

09-06-2008, 10:15 PM

anyone want to argue for webb being the cy young winner now?

lincecum will win it.

Your "Webb sucks. Lincecum for Cy Young" posts after Webb has a bad game are becoming a bit annoying.

BTW, how many big games has Lincecum pitched in?

He better or that the biggest ******** award ever :o
Far from it. Joe Torre winning the MVP over Willie Stargell in 1971, Andre Dawson winning the MVP in 1987, and Rollins winning the MVP last year would all be worse.

Excel

09-06-2008, 10:16 PM

I didnt even know about the top 2...Rollins was a firestarter last season...MVP might be a stretch, but it was arguable. Lincecum not winning CY would be far worse.

Spidey-Bat

09-06-2008, 10:19 PM

No, it wouldn't. Lincecum isn't a lock for the Cy Young. You can make a case for several NL pitchers.

Excel

09-06-2008, 10:21 PM

Disagree. If Lincecum and Lee dont win the Cy Young for their respective leagues (barring September collapses, of course) I'll call ********...

unless it's Dice-k for the Al :up: :up:

Spidey-Bat

09-06-2008, 10:44 PM

You're such a dumb homer.

Roy Halladay deserves the AL Cy Young more than Cliff Lee. Lee deserves the AL Comeback Player of the Year though.

Excel

09-06-2008, 10:52 PM

You're such a dumb homer.

Man quit playin :o

Roy Halladay deserves the AL Cy Young more than Cliff Lee. Lee deserves the AL Comeback Player of the Year though.

Roy: 18-9, 2.64, 185 k, 34 walks, 218 innings,
Cliff: 20-2, 2.32, 149 k, 27 walks, 195 innings,

How does Lee, who could have 20 more wins then losses, and with a lower era, lose to a guy who has almost 10 losses? If you start by start, Lee has had just 5 starts where he gave up 4 er or more. Halldays had 8.

FaT_tONle

09-06-2008, 10:56 PM

Right. So FatTonie needs to do the math. :o

That's three times you felt complied to get on my ass for a personal opinion of mine. Jeez... get over yourself... your team won't be favored going into that series.

Spidey-Bat

09-06-2008, 11:01 PM

Roy: 18-9, 2.64, 185 k, 34 walks, 218 innings,
Cliff: 20-2, 2.32, 149 k, 27 walks, 195 innings,

How does Lee, who could have 20 more wins then losses, and with a lower era, lose to a guy who has almost 10 losses? If you start by start, Lee has had just 5 starts where he gave up 4 er or more. Halldays had 8.

Wins are irrelevant. Lee only has 2 more.

Halladay has 8 complete games, twice as many as Cliff Lee. Halladay also has a lower WHIP (1.040 vs 1.050)

The thing that makes him better than Lee is his IP.

Lee has received more run support than Halladay as well.

Dodger

09-06-2008, 11:17 PM

The Dodgers are in fist place. :)

But truth be told... I saw this coming. I'm happy were in first place but we're not out of the woods. Not by a long mile. We have a ten game road trip coming up and we suck on the road. If we come out of the road trip above or at .500 then I most certainly like our chances.

I know it will never happen cause of WHY SO SERIOUS? But the Dodgers need to get some dap. They've beaten the D-backs top two aces on the road and at home and have held the potent d-back offense to 5 (5!) runs the last 6 meetings.

Hell Yeah. :)

Still...we have a ***** of a road trip coming up. Let's see what happens.

Excel

09-06-2008, 11:37 PM

Wins are irrelevant. Lee only has 2 more.

Halladay has 8 complete games, twice as many as Cliff Lee. Halladay also has a lower WHIP (1.040 vs 1.050)

The thing that makes him better than Lee is his IP.

Lee has received more run support than Halladay as well.

Halladays pitched an absurd amount of innings, but Lee will still be over the 200-210 marker so it isnt that bad. I dont think his innings will be enoughto get past Lee ridiculous record and better era.

FaT_tONle

09-06-2008, 11:41 PM

The Dodgers are in fist place. :)

Dodgers at the end of the year... "Yay we are 81-81 and we are in the playoffs... now let's go get swept in October... WOOT"

Seriously... forfeit the slot to the Cardinals or Phillies.

Excel

09-06-2008, 11:51 PM

Yes, the NL west is a joke...but it is all about who gets hot. That team has players that could carry them.

Kingfish

09-06-2008, 11:54 PM

They don't have the advantage, but I think a 0% chance is laughable.

I'd like to think I make a better argument then Fat tonie.

NewYorkSpider

09-07-2008, 12:07 AM

The thing that makes him better than Lee is his IP.

Halladay has two more starts than Lee. Plus, Lee has a better ERA on the road than Halladay and hasn't lost a home game. I think Lee wins the Cy Young unless something changes through September.

Nightmare

09-07-2008, 12:24 AM

Showtime

09-07-2008, 08:26 AM

That's three times you felt complied to get on my ass for a personal opinion of mine. Jeez... get over yourself... your team won't be favored going into that series.

I forgot, nobody can disagree with your opinion, or they're "getting on your ass". What you call "getting you on your ass" is nothing more then me disagreeing with you. I thought the purpose of the forum was to debate, not agree with everything Tonie has to say? Was I wrong?

Also, I didn't say the Red Sox were favored, I disagreed that they have had 0% chance in the series it they went head to head. That is my opinion, so maybe you're getting a little to touchy that my opinion differs from yours.

Showtime

09-07-2008, 08:26 AM

I'd like to think I make a better argument then Fat tonie.

That I won't argue.

Showtime

09-07-2008, 08:30 AM

unless it's Dice-k for the Al :up: :up:

If Dice-K didn't go down with that phantom injury, maybe he would be in consideration. Maybe. This is Halladays to lose though.

Spidey-Bat

09-07-2008, 08:51 AM

Halladay has two more starts than Lee. Plus, Lee has a better ERA on the road than Halladay and hasn't lost a home game. I think Lee wins the Cy Young unless something changes through September.

Lee has gotten more run support. Wins and Losses are irrelevant and close. Home wins and losses are meaningless. Lee has the better ERA home and away but Halladay's IP totals are too great to be put aside.

ih8nyy

09-07-2008, 08:51 AM

If Dice-K didn't go down with that phantom injury, maybe he would be in consideration. Maybe. This is Halladays to lose though.

It's Cliff Lee's to lose.

:ikyn:

Spidey-Bat

09-07-2008, 09:00 AM

Halladay. If a guy with 8 complete games loses, it's a joke. It'd be as bad as Zito winning it in 2002 or Bartolo Colon in 2005.

ih8nyy

09-07-2008, 09:05 AM

Halladay. If a guy with 8 complete games loses, it's a joke. It'd be as bad as Zito winning it in 2002 or Bartolo Colon in 2005.

Well my guess is you should be prepared for a big joke and have a laugh about it. It's like A-Rod winning MVP on a last place team.

Showtime

09-07-2008, 09:27 AM

It's Cliff Lee's to lose.

:ikyn:

He could very well win it, it isn't like it would be a huge upset, but I think Halliday deserves it.

FaT_tONle

09-07-2008, 10:52 AM

The purpose of the forum was to debate, not agree with everything Tonie has to say?

Four times and counting....

Showtime

09-07-2008, 11:52 AM

Then report me to Mr. J and Immortalfire for disagreeing with your opinion then?

Kingfish

09-07-2008, 01:51 PM

Get over yourself, tonie.

Both Lee and Halladay are deserving. It would not be a terrible sham and shock for either one to win. Right now I'd say Halladay but both have been excellent.

ih8nyy

09-07-2008, 01:55 PM

Wins are irrelevant. Lee only has 2 more.

Halladay has 8 complete games, twice as many as Cliff Lee. Halladay also has a lower WHIP (1.040 vs 1.050)

The thing that makes him better than Lee is his IP.

Lee has received more run support than Halladay as well.

If this thing is decided on WHIP stats that is ridiculous.

He has the 2 stats that EVERYONE will look at. Wins and ERA.

ih8nyy

09-07-2008, 01:58 PM

Then report me to Mr. J and Immortalfire for disagreeing with your opinion then?

That's it.

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Dodger

09-07-2008, 02:25 PM

Dodgers at the end of the year... "Yay we are 81-81 and we are in the playoffs... now let's go get swept in October... WOOT"

Seriously... forfeit the slot to the Cardinals or Phillies.

I think it's funny how you mention the Cardinals but you quickly forget that they won the world series two years ago and they were just a couple of games over .500. This is the playoffs it don't matterr how you get in as long as you're in.