Official 2008 MLB thread

[Spidey-Bat]

Phillies up 6-0. Great job by Pedro (obvious sarcasm). He's one of my favorite players ever, but he's done and should just retire. The Mets better not be dumb enough to bring him back next year.

[ih8nyy]

Phillies up 6-0. Great job by Pedro (obvious sarcasm). He's one of my favorite players ever, but he's done and should just retire. The Mets better not be dumb enough to bring him back next year.

Your GM is Omar Minya. Of course he's coming back.

[FaT_tONle]

Then report me to Mr. J and Immortalfire for disagreeing with your opinion then?

It was a joke... but I still stand by my opinion for the most part... people are wrong more times than not though... I mean who gave the Giants much more than a 0% chance of winning that Superbowl... and look at that turned out... there is hope for the Sox still.

[Nightmare]

2-1 dodgers over the dbacks in the 3rd

[Showtime]

It was a joke... but I still stand by my opinion for the most part... people are wrong more times than not though... I mean who gave the Giants much more than a 0% chance of winning that Superbowl... and look at that turned out... there is hope for the Sox still.

I didn't give the Giants zero chance of winning, I'm not really what you would call a "yahoo" or a "homer". We're talking about the Red Sox though, they are only 1.5 games behind The Rays and they are have two less wins then Anaheim. They aren't as good as last year's version of the Red Sox but they aren't a push over team in my opinion at least. I've already said Anaheim is the best team going into the playoffs, they have been the best team in the league for a large stretch. So sure they are the team to beat.

[cyborg ninja 14]

****ing dodgers :(

[Nightmare]

Nomahhhhhhhhhhh with the game ending play of the game. Dodgers sweep the D'backs. Up 1 1/2 in first now!

[BlackLantern]

did Charlie Manuel get kicked out or something??

[Spidey-Bat]

The buffet?

[Showtime]

Phillies up 6-0. Great job by Pedro (obvious sarcasm). He's one of my favorite players ever, but he's done and should just retire. The Mets better not be dumb enough to bring him back next year.

I'm glad we got to enjoy him around here in his prime. It was amazing.

Maybe the Red Sox will take him back as a 5th starter.

[Spidey-Bat]

Do you want to see a dozen balls hitting off the Green Monster or going into the RF corner every game he starts? He still has the mentality of a power pitcher which is what's killing him.

Pedro is one of my favorite players ever, but his tenure as a Met has been a bigger disappointment and disaster than Tom Glavine's. Glavine at least was always healthy and pitched 2 great playoff games for the Mets. Glavine's horrendous Sept last year is what really killed his reputation here. Pedro has only had 1 healthy season and has yet to throw a pitch in the post season for the Mets. I'd be fine if he never did.

[Showtime]

The mystique of the Red Sox will right the ship...

I wonder if it is possible for him to relieve at this point.

[Spidey-Bat]

He takes forever to warm up. Also, his first 2 innings of a game are the worst.

[Showtime]

Maybe coming in during the 6th or 7th might confuse him to do well then?

[Spidey-Bat]

I am officially off the "Delgado cannot return next year" bandwagon. 3-3, 2 HR, 4 RBI tonight. As Jerry would say....MERCY!!

[Showtime]

Del...Got It?

[FaT_tONle]

I am officially off the "Delgado cannot return next year" bandwagon. 3-3, 2 HR, 4 RBI tonight. As Jerry would say....MERCY!!

Yeah and next June when he is hitting .220 with 6 HR and 22 RBIs you'll jump right back on that bandwagon... but I agree... this team needs to land the best pitcher on the market not named C.C Sabathia... whomever that might be... before chasing after a Teixera.

[Spidey-Bat]

Everyone one will be back on that bandwagon. I give up b/c it's too hard to argue against the option now.

Mets won the final game. This is why I don't think Phillies winning 2 of 3 would be huge. They only gained 1 game and blew a chance to sweep and tie for the lead. It was nice to see Hamels throw BP.

[Kingfish]

The mystique of the Red Sox will right the ship...

Ah, a fan mentions the bulls*** "Mystique" of his team. Isn't it wonderful how you and the Sawk have completely transformed into the Yankees?

[Spidey-Bat]

They haven't transformed into the Yankees. They have a lot of homegrown players.

[ih8nyy]

They haven't transformed into the Yankees. They have a lot of homegrown players.

QFT. That and they aren't in 4th place.

[BlackLantern]

as a Mets fan....Delgados time is running short......here's hoping he doesn't go cold during the postseason if they make it in

[Spidey-Bat]

He hit well in the postseason in 2006. Probably would have won the NLCS MVP.

[Dark Donnie]

Saw Wagner is having Tommy John surgery.


Billy Wagner will have Tommy John surgery on his elbow and likely miss much of next season, the Newark Star-Ledger reports.
Newsday said that Wagner would tendon surgery, but has since altered the report to say ligament instead. This is the worst-case scenario for Wagner, but perhaps not for the Mets. With Wagner set to miss most of the final season of his four-year deal, tbey could enter the chase for Francisco Rodriguez this winter. Given that Wagner is 37 and a reliever, he'll probably attempt to rush back from surgery. The All-Star break could be a target. Sep. 8 - 2:22 pm et
Source: Newark Star-Ledger

[Raiden]

Saw Wagner is having Tommy John surgery.


Source: Newark Star-Ledger

I think Mets should get into the Rodriguez sweepstake next year; Wagner is getting too old and Mets can't depend on him to be their relief pitcher for years down the line. Same with Pedro.

[Nightmare]

So long wagner.

[Dark Donnie]

Agreed, I think they'll have K Rod at the top of the FA list.

[ih8nyy]

Agreed, I think they'll have K Rod at the top of the FA list.

They'd be nuts not to.

[Kingfish]

If any team is gonna give him the 5 years and 75 million that K-Rod wants, it'll be the Mets.

[Nightmare]

maybe the yanks will offer up 5 years 100 mill to be Mo's set up man.

[NewYorkSpider]

So this is what it feels like when you're team isn't going to be in postseason. :csad:

[NewYorkSpider]

maybe the yanks will offer up 5 years 100 mill to be Mo's set up man.

Joba is going to start in the bullpen to be Rivera's set-up man next season. Plus, they're gonna spend money on starting pitching.

[Nightmare]

I thought Joba was gonna be a starter. Maybe the yanks will go after CC?

[NewYorkSpider]

I thought Joba was gonna be a starter. Maybe the yanks will go after CC?

They're gonna put him back in the bullpen where he's needed most. Then they'll go after CC, Sheets or Burnett.

[Nightmare]

Maybe they'll resign Pavano and Sign pedro :cwink:

[NewYorkSpider]

Maybe they'll resign Pavano and Sign pedro :cwink:

Pavano has done fine since coming back. If anything he'll get a one year deal. If they sign Pedro, I'll become a Pirates fan.

[Nightmare]

I just hope they dont sign manny. I want him to stay in LA.

[NewYorkSpider]

Manny's gonna want a monster deal. Didn't he say he wanted to stay with the Dodgers for the rest of his career?

[Nightmare]

Yeah, but money talks.

[NewYorkSpider]

I don't want him on the Yankees. He's too unpredictable. We need to spend our money on starting pitching.

[Nightmare]

Yeah. But will they resign Abreu?

[ih8nyy]

I don't want him on the Yankees. He's too unpredictable. We need to spend our money on starting pitching.

Plus the Skanks need another DH in waiting like a hole in the head.


I see Manny going to the Mets. Omar has always coveted the guy.

[NewYorkSpider]

Yeah. But will they resign Abreu?

He's having a great season. I wouldn't mind seeing him back.

[Spidey-Bat]

I'm glad Billy is done. He was annoying and blew saves.

If any team is gonna give him the 5 years and 75 million that K-Rod wants, it'll be the Mets.
Nah, it'd be the Dodgers with the Tigers a close 2nd.

I see Manny going to the Mets. Omar has always coveted the guy.
Not anymore.

He's having a great season. I wouldn't mind seeing him back.

Wouldn't you rather have a RF who doesn't act like the wall is on fire?

[Nightmare]

Dodgers could use K-Rod :up: And it'd mean that much more to steal him from the Angels. But i see him resigning with Anaheim or bolting to somewhere east.

[BlackLantern]

I don't want Manny on the Mets....I honestly want Alou, Pedro, and Delgado gone as well

[NewYorkSpider]

Delgado? Really?

[ih8nyy]

Delgado? Really?

Delgado will be Delgone.

I could see them making a push for Texiera and losing out to the Skanks.

[Spidey-Bat]

Dodgers could use K-Rod :up: And it'd mean that much more to steal him from the Angels. But i see him resigning with Anaheim or bolting to somewhere east.

K-Rod has burned his bridges with the Angels since he said very early this year he intends to enter the FA market. The Angels also like Arredondo.

I don't want Manny on the Mets....I honestly want Alou, Pedro, and Delgado gone as well

Alou is done. Delgado will probably be back. I rather he go as well. Pedro I think is up in the air. After his 2 outings against the Phillies, I believe his career as a useful starter is over. He needs to go.

Delgado will be Delgone.

I could see them making a push for Texiera and losing out to the Skanks.

I agree but I think the Mets won't go after Teixeira. The Orioles might and should, IMO.

[BlackLantern]

Yes...I understand he is swinging the hot stick right now but he only has a couple good years left....Minaya needs to start building this team for the long haul....

[NewYorkSpider]

Wouldn't you rather have a RF who doesn't act like the wall is on fire?

If we don't sign him back then Nady will move to RF and Matsui will be back in LF. Melkey Cabrera should be brought back up to play CF because he's better than Damon in the field. Damon however has the better bat. Damon could get traded in the off-season.

[Spidey-Bat]

Melky should not be an everyday CF.


I'd like to see the Mets use Maine as a closer. I wish they'd have him develop a splitter.

[NewYorkSpider]

Melky should not be an everyday CF.

Do you know how many games we've lost because of Damon? A lot. His stupidity in the outfield is ridiculous. Melky would have done a lot better.

[Raiden]

I know that Yankees may have a knee-jerk reaction to this subpar year by wanting to sign all the old, overpaid, and expensive players on FA market, but I hope they will try to develop young, home-grown talents, and supplement them with some veteran presence instead. I do think Yanks' priority should be to strengthen their starting rotation, because pitching was the biggest reason why they won all those WS several years ago.

[BlackLantern]

The Yankees only care about putting butts in seats...big names = ticket sales...

[Spidey-Bat]

Do you know how many games we've lost because of Damon? A lot. His stupidity in the outfield is ridiculous. Melky would have done a lot better.

How many games have you lose because of Melky's bat? He's only regressed since 2006 and has a poor OBP. This year he didn't even have a 300 OBP. A guy that the Yankees could use is Willy Taveras.

[Captain Planet!]

I just want this season to be over and start next season. :(

[Captain Planet!]

I agree but I think the Mets won't go after Teixeira. The Orioles might and should, IMO.
If the Orioles signed Teixeira I would be so incredibly happy.

[Raiden]

If the Orioles signed Teixeira I would be so incredibly happy.

I think Angels will resign him, since they won't resign K-Rod.

[Spidey-Bat]

They definitely should. However, Angels need to extend Lackey.

[NewYorkSpider]

How many games have you lose because of Melky's bat? He's only regressed since 2006 and has a poor OBP. This year he didn't even have a 300 OBP. A guy that the Yankees could use is Willy Taveras.

I'll admit we've lost games because of Melky's bat, but if the offense had done what's it's supposed to do, then we wouldn't be talking about it. We've scored over 800 runs a season the past 8 years(maybe more). This year we won't even get to that mark. I wouldn't mind seeing Willy Taveras on the team.

[Spidey-Bat]

No player with a .296 OBP or even .327 OBP is worth starting. I think the Yankees could get Taveras for Kennedy and Melky. Switch to the NL might do both well.

[NewYorkSpider]

No player with a .296 OBP or even .327 OBP is worth starting. I think the Yankees could get Taveras for Kennedy and Melky. Switch to the NL might do both well.

Ryan Howard shouldn't start then? Melky has just been struggling this year. He's capable of being a good hitter. He just hasn't shown it yet.

[Showtime]

Ah, a fan mentions the bulls*** "Mystique" of his team. Isn't it wonderful how you and the Sawk have completely transformed into the Yankees?

It was obviously a joke sweetcheeks. Isn't it wonderful how a good poster turns into Fat
Tonie. :csad:

*no offense to Fat Tonie personally or anybody acting or representing Fat Tonie; past, present, and future.

[Spidey-Bat]

Ryan Howard shouldn't start then?
Yes because of his powers. Wake me up when Melky sniffs 15 HR.

Melky has just been struggling this year. He's capable of being a good hitter. He just hasn't shown it yet.
It's not the struggling this year that's the problem. It's the fact that he has only gotten worse the last 2 years. That is enough to cast doubt whether he can be a good hitter.

[Showtime]

Isn't Damon having a pretty decent offensive year anyway?

[Kingfish]

It was obviously a joke sweetcheeks. Isn't it wonderful how a good poster turns into Fat
Tonie. :csad:

*no offense to Fat Tonie personally or anybody acting or representing Fat Tonie; past, present, and future.

You're calling me out about making a joke about your joke?:whatever:

*That's not to say I don't fully believe the Red Sox have become the New Yankees or at least a similar interpretation on the same basic theme. Their constant acquisition of overpaid veterans they don't need or shouldn't sign (Lugo, Gagne, Kotsay...) and the constant mention about every premium free agent or trade target has put them at the same plateau.

[NewYorkSpider]

Yes because of his powers. Wake me up when Melky sniffs 15 HR.

I was obviously joking.


It's not the struggling this year that's the problem. It's the fact that he has only gotten worse the last 2 years. That is enough to cast doubt whether he can be a good hitter.

He's been moved from RF to CF to LF up and down the lineup. He went on a 18 game hit streak back in 2007. Then they changed him up again and he struggled. If they would keep him in one spot and let him steady out, he'll be fine.

Isn't Damon having a pretty decent offensive year anyway?

Yes. But he's a horrible outfielder.

[Showtime]

You're calling me out about making a joke about your joke?

Thats what the funnier of the two posters always should do?

*That's not to say I don't fully believe the Red Sox have become the New Yankees or at least a similar interpretation on the same basic theme. Their constant acquisition of overpaid veterans they don't need or shouldn't sign (Lugo, Gagne, Kotsay...) and the constant mention about every premium free agent or trade target has put them at the same plateau.

I don't think they are even close in theory. Pedroia, Lester, Youkilis, Ellsbury, Masterson, Paplebon, Lowrie, Delcarmen are all home grown talent. Also the Yankees sign 4 or 5 overpaid veterans and bring them in per season.

Gagne is gone and the Red Sox are paying a pro-rated version of Kotsay's contract which is 7 Million this season, then he is a free agent. He has been a bargain so far, 9 RBIS in 8 games. Lugo is obviously an albatross so I have to agree with you there.

[Showtime]

Yes. But he's a horrible outfielder.

He has been ever since leaving Kansas City.

[ih8nyy]

Yes. But he's a horrible outfielder.


My 10 month old daughter has a stronger arm.

[ih8nyy]

It just occured to me that, that jerk-off Gregg Easterbrook is gonna be in full fledged glee mode tomorrow in his TMQ column over this Brady deal.

God he's an a**hole.

[Captain Planet!]

Yes. But he's a horrible outfielder.
How in the world did Damon make it as a proffessional? He's half of a baseball player.

[ih8nyy]

456 straight sell outs for the Sox.

Tampa wishes they could get just one.

[Spidey-Bat]

He's been moved from RF to CF to LF up and down the lineup. He went on a 18 game hit streak back in 2007. Then they changed him up again and he struggled. If they would keep him in one spot and let him steady out, he'll be fine.

I don't think there's any legitimacy to his OF position or his spot in the lineup. Regardless of where he hits, no one is pitching around him. He's getting strikes.

18 game hitting streak is irrelevant. Lot of players have streaks like those.

[Showtime]

456 straight sell outs for the Sox.

Tampa wishes they could get just one.

...or a run tonight...:o

[ih8nyy]

...or a run tonight...:o

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[NewYorkSpider]

I don't think there's any legitimacy to his OF position or his spot in the lineup. Regardless of where he hits, no one is pitching around him. He's getting strikes.

18 game hitting streak is irrelevant. Lot of players have streaks like those.

Getting move around like that could screw with him mentaly but I could be wrong. And having an 18-game hit streak shows he can hit the ball consistently from game to game. He still needs some plate skills though.

[FaT_tONle]

I am glad Wagner is done for the rest of the year... the Tommy John is concerning though because he is useless pretty much all of next year... all the more reason to bring in a K-Rod.

[Spidey-Bat]

Getting move around like that could screw with him mentaly but I could be wrong.
Moving around in the OF doesn't have an effect. The Mets were having every OF not named Beltran play LF and RF all the time. None of them hit any differently.

And having an 18-game hit streak shows he can hit the ball consistently from game to game. He still needs some plate skills though.
What about his streaks when he's done absolutely nothing? Like from July 27 to Aug 13 when he hit 178/213/222. You can't use streaks as proof he can hit consistently. This May and June he hit 234/270/319 and 206/259/255 respectively.

I am glad Wagner is done for the rest of the year... the Tommy John is concerning though because he is useless pretty much all of next year... all the more reason to bring in a K-Rod.

Signing K-Rod would be stupid.

[Dark Donnie]

The New York Daily News reports that Ambiorix Burgos was arrested late Monday night after allegedly beating up his girlfriend.

According to the newspaper, Burgos has been charged with assault and harassment after allegedly slamming his girlfriend up against a wall, repeatedly punching her in the back, biting her and slapping her. Burgos, who's making his way back from Tommy John surgery, was on track to join the Mets' bullpen later this month.
Source: New York Daily News

[Spidey-Bat]

If I were the GM, I'd release him today. He'll more likely be traded in the off-season to a team that doesn't care about clubhouse chemistry such as Oakland or Toronto.

[Ziggyman]

Halladay is on notice now!

Will play probably twice the amount he would on regular pitching shifts if Jays stay in the playoff "hunt"...

If Jays stay in it...He could get around 24+ wins...= AL Cy Young!

[Showtime]

Not that he didn't have a good shot already.

[Spidey-Bat]

These are the games that make me hate Oliver Perez. He does great against teams like the Yankees, Phillies, and Braves. Can't do **** against crappy teams like the Nats or Giants.

[ih8nyy]

Halladay is on notice now!

Will play probably twice the amount he would on regular pitching shifts if Jays stay in the playoff "hunt"...

If Jays stay in it...He could get around 24+ wins...= AL Cy Young!

What are they gonna start him every other day?

[Ziggyman]

What are they gonna start him every other day?

No...But depending on who they play...The most rest he may get would be 3-4 days...

Again...It depends on who they play!

[cyborg ninja 14]

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mets! Mets! Mets!

[ih8nyy]

No...But depending on who they play...The most rest he may get would be 3-4 days...

Again...It depends on who they play!

3-4 rest I can see once. Not multiple times. Not even JP Riccardi is stupid enough to risk the long term ramifications of that.

Besides they aren't gonna make the playoffs. Zip, Zero, Nadda chance of that.

[Spidey-Bat]

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mets! Mets! Mets!

Don't know who the Mets' Brett Favre is.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Don't know who the Mets' Brett Favre is.

Willie Randolph, rather WAS

[Spidey-Bat]

Willie Randolph, rather WAS

I was thinking Delgado.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I was thinking Delgado.

Lawl:huh::wow::o:oldrazz::csad:

[ih8nyy]

I was thinking Delgado.

Rusty Staub.

[Spidey-Bat]

I'd love to hear a Bostonian try to say that.

[ih8nyy]

I'd love to hear a Bostonian try to say that.

So would I.

"Rawsty Stawb"

See out here in the Western End of the State we pronounce our "r's" properly.

[ih8nyy]

2 run shot Jason Bay!

[Ziggyman]

Jays...8 games back in Wild Card with a critical 4 game series against the Red Sox...

[ih8nyy]

Well that didn't last long. All tied up.

[Excel]

Pap blew it. Damn, he must be tired, but we need him.

[ih8nyy]

We need a lil walk off magic here.

[Spidey-Bat]

Mets win thanks to another big night by Delgado.

[Ziggyman]

My Jays on 10 game winning streak!

[Dark Donnie]

Astros climbing into the Wildcard picture.

[Spidey-Bat]

Thanks for killing the Yankees, Angels :o

[FaT_tONle]

Jays...8 games back in Wild Card with a critical 4 game series against the Red Sox...

Toronto pretty much needs to sweep.

And someone mentioned the Astros... do they still have games left with the Brewers. Hopefully some of these teams close the gap and make it interesting.

[Spidey-Bat]

Brewers have been slipping. People talk about the Mets pen being bad. At least they don't have Eric Gagne setting up Solomon Torres.

[Raiden]

Thanks for killing the Yankees, Angels :o

I think it's safe to say that Yankees will not make the playoff, and it'll be the first time since '93. What a way to close out the final year playing in the House That Ruth Built.

[ih8nyy]

I think it's safe to say that Yankees will not make the playoff, and it'll be the first time since '93. What a way to close out the final year playing in the Half Way House That Ruth Built.

Fixed.

[BlackLantern]

I think it's safe to say that Yankees will not make the playoff, and it'll be the first time since '93. What a way to close out the final year playing in the House That Ruth Built.

Tampa Bay should be able to go into the stadium on the final day and take a dump on home plate

[Spidey-Bat]

The last home game at Yankee Stadium will be so fun to watch because it will mean nothing. Except that they're tearing down a historic ballpark just so they can add more luxury seats and b/c the Mets are getting a new one.

[Kingfish]

Angels finish off the division. Earliest the AL West has ever been clinched.

Looked like everyone was at the champagne celebration except for K-Rod. Must have been off talking to Minaya or something...

[fu manchu]

Angels clinch the West. Earliest the AL West has ever been clinched.

Yay!!! :word: Bring on the playoffs!

[Spidey-Bat]

Angels finish off the division. Earliest the AL West has ever been clinched.

Looked like everyone was at the champagne celebration except for K-Rod. Must have been off talking to Minaya or something...

He's saving his champagne for his 58th save.

[FaT_tONle]

Angels finish off the division. Earliest the AL West has ever been clinched.

Looked like everyone was at the champagne celebration except for K-Rod. Must have been off talking to Minaya or something...

Angels could probably take a vacation before October... I mean I don't think it will matter who they end up playing from the East... and homefield is never a factor in baseball.

[Spidey-Bat]

They can go to Mexico like Tony Romo did.

[FaT_tONle]

They can go to Mexico like Tony Romo did.

**** off... :cmad:... besides... that was all Jessica Simpson.

[Spidey-Bat]

And Aaron Heilman has completely lost it :o

**** off... :cmad:... besides... that was all Jessica Simpson.

I've struck a nerve. You're either a Cowboy fan or Romosexual.

[FaT_tONle]

I've struck a nerve. You're either a Cowboy fan or Romosexual.

The former... although I wouldn't rule out the latter.

By the way... Angels clinch against the Yankees... kinda poetic... I wish the Yanks could have been mathematically eliminated on the same day though... gonna have to wait another week or so.

[Excel]

Jesus Jason, come on man...0-7??? We should have ****ing swept them...but no... MEANWHILE...Manny hit ANOTHER homer tonight, that is 13 since joining the dodger a month ago, lifting his rbi total with them to 38...

[Dodger]

Jesus Jason, come on man...0-7??? MEANWHILE...Manny hit ANOTHER homer tonight, that is 13 since joining the dodger a month ago, lifting his rbi total with them to 38...

Yeah...it's pretty awesome. :)

[fu manchu]

hahahaha....manny hit another one, so its 14 homers since joining the dodgers :up:

[Kingfish]

He's saving his champagne for his 58th save.

He doesn't have champagne for that. Instead, he has a tomahawk and several small, furry animals. Plus warpaint. Lots of warpaint.

[Nightmare]

Manny hits 2 homers tonight, Dodgers up 3 1/2 over the Dbacks now.

[Bunker]

I want a Dodgers-Rays World Series.

[Nightmare]

Yeah, ratings would be huge for that

[Spidey-Bat]

I want a Dodgers-Rays World Series.

The Dodgers will be lucky to win 1 game in the playoffs.

He doesn't have champagne for that. Instead, he has a tomahawk and several small, furry animals. Plus warpaint. Lots of warpaint.

Sounds about right. What happened to his goggles/glasses?

[FaT_tONle]

Mets/Cubs/Dodgers vs Halos/Red Sox... any of those matchups would do good ratings.

[Darthphere]

Nobody other than Mets fans, want to see the Mets.

[Dark Donnie]

I'd agree with that....

[Spidey-Bat]

Nobody other than Mets fans, want to see the Mets.
That's true of any team.

MLB definitely would wants the Mets, Cubs, Dodgers, Angels, or Red Sox in the World Series because those teams have large fan bases, are big market teams, and have a national appeal. To some extent even the Rays would be appealing because of their "Worst to First" season.

I'd agree with that....

Gee, I wonder why? :whatever:

BTW, was the Phillies winning 2 of 3 against the Mets still huge?

[BlackLantern]

I think it was....the Phillies are breathing down the Mets necks right now.....maybe that's what is keeping the Mets on the ball...as opposed to last year

[Dark Donnie]

That's true of any team.

MLB definitely would wants the Mets, Cubs, Dodgers, Angels, or Red Sox in the World Series because those teams have large fan bases, are big market teams, and have a national appeal. To some extent even the Rays would be appealing because of their "Worst to First" season.



Gee, I wonder why? :whatever:

BTW, was the Phillies winning 2 of 3 against the Mets still huge?
Yes it was....were still in the hunt for the playoffs.

You guys have choked from bigger leads before :lmao: 17 to go and 3 1/2 games is better then 7 games last year. Even without the division we have a shot at the WC.

[Darthphere]

Yeah, considering the collapse the Mets had last year that culminated in them getting their asses handed to them by the Marlins of all people, it's way too early for the trash talking.

[BlackLantern]

I wouldn't trash talk considering what happened last year...any Mets fan with a lick of sense in their head is holding their breath right now and hoping to God that they can make it through the season....it's going to be tough considering the last week of the season they have to play the Cubs in a 4 game set....

[Spidey-Bat]

You guys have choked from bigger leads before :lmao: 17 to go and 3 1/2 games is better then 7 games last year.

There are a lot of things that make the Mets much different and better from last year.

I wouldn't trash talk considering what happened last year...any Mets fan with a lick of sense in their head is holding their breath right now and hoping to God that they can make it through the season....it's going to be tough considering the last week of the season they have to play the Cubs in a 4 game set....

Yeah, considering the collapse the Mets had last year that culminated in them getting their asses handed to them by the Marlins of all people, it's way too early for the trash talking.

I wasn't talking trash. I simply asked if the Phillies winning 2 of 3 against the Mets was still huge.

[Showtime]

Jesus Jason, come on man...0-7??? We should have ****ing swept them...but no... MEANWHILE...Manny hit ANOTHER homer tonight, that is 13 since joining the dodger a month ago, lifting his rbi total with them to 38...

You act like Bay has been chopped liver? Look at the Sox record since getting him. Look at his stats, not to shabby. I think you just like dudes with funky hair?

[ih8nyy]

You act like Bay has been chopped liver? Look at the Sox record since getting him. Look at his stats, not to shabby. I think you just like dudes with funky hair?

5 year rule is in effect. No complaing till five seasons after your last championship. So New Englanders can only truly complain about the Bruins.

[Raiden]

5 year rule is in effect. No complaing till five seasons after your last championship. So New Englanders can only truly complain about the Bruins.

I agree. Even with Brady out for the season, Boston fans can't really complain about anything. They are no longer the "lovable losers" anymore.

[BlackLantern]

I take it game by game....hell the 2 games against the Nationals I was ticked about because there was no excuse the Nats should have scored as much as they did....if the Mets get into the post-season playing like that, they'll be gone in the first round

[ih8nyy]

I agree. Even with Brady out for the season, Boston fans can't really complain about anything. They are no longer the "lovable losers" anymore.

No we CAN complain about the Bruins.
And we have every right to do so.

[Showtime]

5 year rule is in effect. No complaing till five seasons after your last championship. So New Englanders can only truly complain about the Bruins.

I agree. Even with Brady out for the season, Boston fans can't really complain about anything. They are no longer the "lovable losers" anymore.

No doubt about it. I mean the Red Sox played a couple tough games and the Rays beat them. The Rays are no joke, Boston fans are going to have to accept it.

A lot of people take these championships for granted around here, I think now that Brady is out some of the fans will wake up. These windows of opportunity don't last forever.

[Raiden]

No doubt about it. I mean the Red Sox played a couple tough games and the Rays beat them. The Rays are no joke, Boston fans are going to have to accept it.

A lot of people take these championships for granted around here, I think now that Brady is out some of the fans will wake up. These windows of opportunity don't last forever.

Well, I think Red Sox will still win the AL East, and Celtics (with the weak Eastern Conference) may make another trip to the Finals. Even with Bruins sucking (which they don't) and Cassel starting for Pats, Boston fans have alot to look forward to.

[Showtime]

No. The Bruins do suck.

[Kingfish]

Sounds about right. What happened to his goggles/glasses?

For a while, everyone in the Angel's pen was sporting different eyewear. K-Rod, Donnelly, even Percival tried something. Guess it's not cool anymore.

[Spidey-Bat]

I take it game by game....hell the 2 games against the Nationals I was ticked about because there was no excuse the Nats should have scored as much as they did....if the Mets get into the post-season playing like that, they'll be gone in the first round

If they lost, then you have a right to complain about the Nats scoring a lot of runs. Otherwise, quit whining. If the pitching is gonna suck, the offense might as well bail them out.

For a while, everyone in the Angel's pen was sporting different eyewear. K-Rod, Donnelly, even Percival tried something. Guess it's not cool anymore.
:(

[Nightmare]

For a while, everyone in the Angel's pen was sporting different eyewear. K-Rod, Donnelly, even Percival tried something. Guess it's not cool anymore.

Maybe they're stealing Gagne's look?

[BlackLantern]

If they lost, then you have a right to complain about the Nats scoring a lot of runs. Otherwise, quit whining. If the pitching is gonna suck, the offense might as well bail them out

....but the offense isn't always going to be there to bail them out with a 9 10 or 11 run night....honestly they should have smashed washington...the Nats should only have scored 3 or 4 runs per game

[Spidey-Bat]

....but the offense isn't always going to be there to bail them out with a 9 10 or 11 run night....honestly they should have smashed washington...the Nats should only have scored 3 or 4 runs per game

Every team has these slugfest games. Even against middling teams. There are plenty of 1-0, 2-1, 3-2 games to balance them out over the course of the season.

[Kingfish]

Maybe they're stealing Gagne's look?

At least we know which one was the real closer and which was the flash in the pan who couldn't pitch a big game to save his life.

....but the offense isn't always going to be there to bail them out with a 9 10 or 11 run night....honestly they should have smashed washington...the Nats should only have scored 3 or 4 runs per game

Win is a win, dude. They come in all shapes and sizes. Accept it, or jump off the bridge, as so many have advised you before.

[Spidey-Bat]

At least we know which one was the real closer and which was the flash in the pan who couldn't pitch a big game to save his life.
One was also a fatass juicer.

Win is a win, dude. They come in all shapes and sizes. Accept it, or jump off the bridge, as so many have advised you before.
Myself included. When they win close games, they don't score enough runs. When they win slugfests, they allow too many runs. As long as they win, it's irrelevant. Good teams will have enough of both to balance them out over 162 games.

[Kingfish]

Well, Frankie just tied the record. Beat his chest and took a little victory circle at first base. Pretty subdued for him I thought. What an explosion it's gonna be when he breaks it though...

And he now has as many saves as the Mariners have wins. Ouch.

[chamber-music]

Diary entry may offer proof that baseball came from England

Baseball is as American as ... tea and crumpets?
That may be case, according to a diary uncovered in southern England last year but only now being made public.

Julian Pooley, the manager of the Surrey History Centre, said Thursday he has authenticated a reference to baseball in a diary by English lawyer William Bray dating back to 1755 -- about 50 years before what was previously believed to have been the first known reference to what became the American pastime.

"I know his handwriting very well," Pooley told The Associated Press in a telephone interview, adding he believed the game wasn't very common at the time. "He printed it to show it was new to him. He doesn't mention baseball again. It was something that seemed special."
Bray wrote that he played the game with both men and women on the day after Easter, a traditional holiday in England.

"He was about 18 or 19 (at the time of the diary entry)," Pooley said. "He was a very social man. He enjoyed sports."
The entry reads:

"Easter Monday 31 March 1755
"Went to Stoke Ch. This morning. After Dinner Went to Miss Jeale's to play at Base Ball with her, the 3 Miss Whiteheads, Miss Billinghurst, Miss Molly Flutter, Mr. Chandler, Mr. Ford & H. Parsons & Jelly. Drank Tea and stayed till 8."

Baseball has long been thought to have been an American invention, with roots in the British games of rounders and cricket.

The first recorded competitive baseball game took place in Hoboken, New Jersey, in 1846 between the Alexander Cartwright's Knickerbocker Base Ball Club of New York and the New York Nine. The first professional team played in 1869 and the first professional league started two years later.
Bray, who died in 1832, kept a diary for much of his life and wrote a history of Surrey. He also transcribed and published the diary and writings of English writer John Evelyn.

Pooley said he first became aware of Bray's reference in July 2007 after local historian Tricia St. John Barry notified Major League Baseball to say she found a notation of the game that predated their own findings.
"She said, `... I've got a reference in a diary I found in the shed,"' Pooley said.

Pooley said St. John Barry only told MLB about the diary after researchers came to England last year working on a movie by Major League Baseball Advanced Media called "Base Ball Discovered," which examines the origins of the sport.

"She didn't realize its significance (before that)," Pooley said.
The movie is to be shown next week at the Baseball Film Festival in Cooperstown, New York, the home of the sport's Hall of Fame.
"While filming our documentary in England, we met Tricia, who responded to a BBC piece on our film crew being in country, looking at the roots of baseball," MLB.com said on its Web site. "This discovery places William Bray in a new role of importance and provides insight into baseball's beginnings."

The Surrey History Centre said there is a reference to baseball that came earlier than Bray's, but it appears in a fictional book by John Newberry called "A Little Pretty Pocket-Book." Jane Austen's "Northanger Abbey" also refers to baseball. It was written in 1798 but not published until 1817.
"It is a game steeped in history and now Surrey County Council's History Centre and an inquisitive local historian have provided the earliest manuscript proof that the game the Americans gave to the world came from England," said Helyn Clack, an executive member for safer and stronger communities at Surrey County Council.

A copy of the diary is to go on display at Surrey History Centre on Saturday.

I wouldn't be that surprised if its true. Baseball was based British sports Cricket and Rounders. American football is based on Soccer and Rugby. You guys took our Apple Pie too ;)

[Spidey-Bat]

Well, Frankie just tied the record. Beat his chest and took a little victory circle at first base. Pretty subdued for him I thought. What an explosion it's gonna be when he breaks it though...

And he now has as many saves as the Mariners have wins. Ouch.

Were any animals harmed in the tying of the single season saves record?

I just wasn't it. Wasn't that bad.

If the Mets sign him, since Santana has 57 I imagine K-Rod's number will be how ever many saves he gets this year. I predict 61.

[Spidey-Bat]

Manuel was stupid taking Santana out of the inning. The hits he gave up were cheap and to no surprise the bullpen blew the lead.

He also should have had Murphy pinch hit for Schneider in the 4th. While it was the 4th, Schneider is a turd and can't hit for ****. You don't want him hitting with the bases loaded and no one out when you can put up a crooked number early.

[Kingfish]

Went to the game tonight and got to see Frankie break the record. Nice moment before he leaves. He did drop to his knees, and looked like he was gonna take Jeff Mathis' head off, but still...

[Spidey-Bat]

Was there war paint and sacrifices of small animals?

Can't wait till next year when he does that for the Mets. I'm actually for signing him. Not every day you get a chance to sign a good closer at 26. I think the increase in his H/9 and BB/9 as well as decrease in K/9 are due to him reworking his mechanics a bit. He's not locking his left knee (one he lands on) which helps alleviate the stress on his arm. He's not throwing as hard as a result but can still dial it up. Usually takes a year for pitchers to get these tweaks down. Going to the NL might improve those stats as well.

[NewYorkSpider]

Where in the hell did the Astros come from? :huh: Only 2.5 games back in the Wild Card.

[Spidey-Bat]

They won't do anything. You know why? Name one of their starters besides Roy Oswalt. See? Can't do it.

[NewYorkSpider]

Wandy Rodriguez is the only other one I know. He might not even be a starter.

I can't wait for October to get here. I'm ready to watch some postseason baseball.

[Kingfish]

Was there war paint and sacrifices of small animals?

Can't wait till next year when he does that for the Mets. I'm actually for signing him. Not every day you get a chance to sign a good closer at 26. I think the increase in his H/9 and BB/9 as well as decrease in K/9 are due to him reworking his mechanics a bit. He's not locking his left knee (one he lands on) which helps alleviate the stress on his arm. He's not throwing as hard as a result but can still dial it up. Usually takes a year for pitchers to get these tweaks down. Going to the NL might improve those stats as well.

Does Jeff Mathis count as a small animal?

He gets it done more often then not, but it's generally not easy. He'll make you sweat quite a lot of the time.

They won't do anything. You know why? Name one of their starters besides Roy Oswalt. See? Can't do it.

Randy Wolf.

[Dark Donnie]

Does Jeff Mathis count as a small animal?

He gets it done more often then not, but it's generally not easy. He'll make you sweat quite a lot of the time.



Randy Wolf.

That was my answer as well....only knew it because everyone, myself included thought Wade was nuts for making these deadline deals. Seems to have paid off thus far.

[Excel]

I gotta wander if krods arm can make it through october

[Spidey-Bat]

He gets it done more often then not, but it's generally not easy. He'll make you sweat quite a lot of the time.

He'll be a sure thing compared to all of the previous Met closers. If he can save a big game, he'll instantly be top 3.

I gotta wander if krods arm can make it through october

He's no where near his career high in IP. They probably won't use him as much since they've clinched and he broke the record.

[Kingfish]

I gotta wander if krods arm can make it through october

Based on what? He's got a modified delivery that puts less stress on his body and this is the fewest number of innings he's thrown in a full season. He's pitched into plenty of Octobers and all the way through one of them.

Honestly, I'm more concerned about whether Papelbon can make it through October without making a complete ass of himself. Again.

[Panophobia]

I love the Mets bullpen.

[Spidey-Bat]

I love the Mets bullpen.

And yet it's still better than the Braves'.

[Panophobia]

And yet it's still better than the Braves'.

Perhaps, but our bullpen has no need to bolster the starting rotation.

[Spidey-Bat]

What starting rotation?

[Captain Planet!]

I hereby rename my favorite ballpark "Visiting Team's Park at Camden Yards". Last night there more Twins fans than Orioles fans. And there was this one girl with a low cut shirt and her cleavage hanging out and on the shirt it said "Twins". :up:

[Spidey-Bat]

And there was this one girl with a low cut shirt and her cleavage hanging out and on the shirt it said "Twins". :up:

Double entendre there.

[Panophobia]

What starting rotation?

Exactly my point. :yay:

[Showtime]

I hereby rename my favorite ballpark "Visiting Team's Park at Camden Yards". Last night there more Twins fans than Orioles fans. And there was this one girl with a low cut shirt and her cleavage hanging out and on the shirt it said "Twins". :up:

Pictures only.

[ih8nyy]

And there was this one girl with a low cut shirt and her cleavage hanging out and on the shirt it said "Twins". :up:

Pics or it didn't happen.

[Showtime]

Exactly.

[Captain Planet!]

Pics or it didn't happen.
I was walking to my seat and she passed by pretty fast, and I didn't have a camera. :csad:

[Caped Crusader]

Zambrano one out away from a no hitter

[Caped Crusader]

No hitter for Zambrano!

[Bunker]

Just saw it live.

[Addendum]

Great job!

[Captain Planet!]

Cool.

[NewYorkSpider]

It's weird that Zambrano pitched a no-hitter in a ballpark that neither team was from.

[Spidey-Bat]

Zambrano was more reserved after his no hitter than K-Rod has been after all of his meaningless saves.

[Nightmare]

How bout those mets :hehe:

[Dark Donnie]

Brett Myers has been absolutely dominant since the break. Easily having one of if not thee best second halfs.

Also the NL MVP is starting to be a nice race. Howard, Delgado, and Manny are certainly in the discussion with Albert.

[Spidey-Bat]

Manny and Delgado don't deserve it. Same for Howard. It's Pujols' to lose.

How bout those mets :hehe:

How about the Brewers? Mets may have their problems but at least they don't have Mota or Gagne in their bullpen.

[ih8nyy]

I was walking to my seat and she passed by pretty fast, and I didn't have a camera. :csad:

That is why you fail.

[ih8nyy]

Zambrano was more reserved after his no hitter than K-Rod has been after all of his meaningless saves.

Especially since K-Rod hasn't had one save where he's needed to get 4 or more outs. They are all 3 or less.

The save is the most overated stat in Baseball anyway.

But kudos to Zambrano. Might as well get the Cubs fans hopes up before they suffer their next crushing playoff loss.

[Dark Donnie]

Manny and Delgado don't deserve it. Same for Howard. It's Pujols' to lose.
Pujols shouldn't be allowed to get it after the big hissy fit he threw for Howard getting when the Phillies didn't make the playoffs. Manny has helped The Dodgers improve to a playoff team, and Delgado and Howard have been crushing the ball the second half....Carrying both teams offensively, although Wright is turning it up now.


How about the Brewers? Mets may have their problems but at least they don't have Mota or Gagne in their bullpen.
The Brewers starters stunk it up this weekend.

[Dark Donnie]

Brewers fire Yost, replace him with Sveum

Brewers fired manager Ned Yost.

With two weeks left to go and the team tied for the lead in the wild-card race. This is an incredibly bold stroke, but it just might work out. Yost was a goner anyway if the Brewers failed to make it to the postseason, and it seems like everything he had tried of late has backfired. In his defense, it's not like he's had any easy choices with his bullpen. Replacing Yost will be the third-base coach, Dale Sveum. Bench coach Ted Simmons has been reassigned to an advisory role. Sep. 15 - 3:14 pm et

[NewYorkSpider]

Ted Lilly has a no-hitter through 6 innings.

[Kingfish]

When was the last time the Astros actually got a hit?

[NewYorkSpider]

Astros last hit was on Thursday. 8th inning.

edit: make that one minute ago.

[Kingfish]

Thank god. Back to back no-hitters for the Cubs probably would have brought back Ghostrider87 just to tell us that the Cubs have proved all us haters wrong.

[Showtime]

He would fly back from Columbia just to tell us that.

[Raiden]

Mets and Phillies are separated by only one game, and about 2 weeks left to go. Who will win NL East?

[Immortalfire]

He would fly back from Columbia just to tell us that.

:hehe:

[Showtime]

Mets and Phillies are separated by only one game, and about 2 weeks left to go. Who will win NL East?

If the Mets blow it again this year, they are going to have to call in a robot to manage next year.

[Spidey-Bat]

Pujols shouldn't be allowed to get it after the big hissy fit he threw for Howard getting when the Phillies didn't make the playoffs. Manny has helped The Dodgers improve to a playoff team, and Delgado and Howard have been crushing the ball the second half....Carrying both teams offensively, although Wright is turning it up now.


Pujols is a sore loser but, to me, the most feared hitter in baseball. Manny has done will with the Dodgers but I don't see him winning the NL MVP after being in the NL half a season and quitting on the Red Sox. Delgado's 2nd half has been very good but not the best. Howard's OBP is too low to be the MVP.

Mets and Phillies are separated by only one game, and about 2 weeks left to go. Who will win NL East?

The Phillies have now given themselves and the Mets the Wild Card as a safety net should one not win the division.

If the Mets blow it again this year, they are going to have to call in a robot to manage next year.

Nah. Jerry has done very well as manager and the team has shown bounce back ability which it lacked last year. Barring a NL pennant, the bullpen is going to be imploded and completely reworked in the offseason. They will also probably sign a LF slugger.

[Captain Planet!]

That is why you fail.
I know. :csad:
Thank god. Back to back no-hitters for the Cubs probably would have brought back Ghostrider87 just to tell us that the Cubs have proved all us haters wrong.
Hooter's Pimp FTW!

[Showtime]

Nah. Jerry has done very well as manager and the team has shown bounce back ability which it lacked last year.

I know. I was just writing that to get your attention.

Barring a NL pennant, the bullpen is going to be imploded and completely reworked in the offseason. They will also probably sign a LF slugger.

I think that might be their two major needs, another starter perhaps as well.

[Spidey-Bat]

I know. I was just writing that to get your attention.
I'm flattered you want my attention.

I think that might be their two major needs, another starter perhaps as well.
Assuming they re-sign Perez, they'll have to replace Pedro in the rotation. Hopefully they do see he's useless now and let him walk. I can see them going after Garland.

It only took Pedro 6 innings to give up 4 runs compared to the usual 3 innings.

[ih8nyy]

I love how the 2 Rays fans at the game are trying to Boo the Sox fans.

[Showtime]

I'm flattered you want my attention.

You're the biggest fan of the Mets here I think, so to you I go.

Assuming they re-sign Perez, they'll have to replace Pedro in the rotation. Hopefully they do see he's useless now and let him walk. I can see them going after Garland. It only took Pedro 6 innings to give up 4 runs compared to the usual 3 innings.

Pedro is progressing. Ramon is next.

[Showtime]

I love how the 2 Rays fans at the game are trying to Boo the Sox fans.

Red Sox South.

[Spidey-Bat]

Ramon who?


I didn't say anything earlier but the Brewers firing Yost is a dumb panic move. The time to fire him came and went when the Mets, Jays, and M's fired their managers. With 12 games to go, whatever damage he's done is done.

[ih8nyy]

red sox south.

qft!

[Spidey-Bat]

Ramon who?


I didn't say anything earlier but the Brewers firing Yost is a dumb panic move. The time to fire him came and went when the Mets, Jays, and M's fired their managers. With 12 games to go, whatever damage he's done is done.

[Showtime]

Ramon who?

http://www.graylaw.com/GrayLaw_newsletters/images/ramon_martinez.jpg

I didn't say anything earlier but the Brewers firing Yost is a dumb panic move. The time to fire him came and went when the Mets, Jays, and M's fired their managers. With 12 games to go, whatever damage he's done is done.

Dale Sveum disagrees!

http://cache.boston.com/images/bostondirtdogs//Headline_Archives/BDD_sveum_last.jpg

qft!

6 HR's do that to a team.

[ih8nyy]

Dale Sveum disagrees!

http://cache.boston.com/images/bostondirtdogs//Headline_Archives/BDD_sveum_last.jpg



6 HR's do that to a team.

I can see him telling his 3rd base coaches to wave EVERYONE home! Even on short hits to left!

[ih8nyy]

Edit: Double Post

[FaT_tONle]

Brewers made a good move... I mean if they choke this it will be a few notches below the Mets last year... even then so that would have been a disaster. I am hoping they choke it so the Wild Card stays opened.

[NewYorkSpider]

Brewers made a good move... I mean if they choke this it will be a few notches below the Mets last year... even then so that would have been a disaster. I am hoping they choke it so the Wild Card stays opened.

I hope all these divison races comes down to the last weekend. Gonna be very exciting. Hell, even the Marlins are in the wild card race.

[FaT_tONle]

I love how the 2 Rays fans at the game are trying to Boo the Sox fans.

Disguised Yankee fans...

[Darthphere]

I hope all these divison races comes down to the last weekend. Gonna be very exciting. Hell, even the Marlins are in the wild card race.

Quit playing games with my heart.:csad:


Marlins will be playing spoiler if anything like they did last season.

[Spidey-Bat]

Brewers made a good move... I mean if they choke this it will be a few notches below the Mets last year... even then so that would have been a disaster. I am hoping they choke it so the Wild Card stays opened.

It was a dumb move. If they do choke and miss the playoffs, who will be their scapegoat?

[Darthphere]

Sabathia didn't pitch enough complete games.

[ih8nyy]

We've got a heck of a game going on here in Tampa. Or is it Fenway South?
I can't tell from the crowd noise, sounds like Fenway.

[Excel]

Since getting off the DL Becket has been lights out.

[FaT_tONle]

Mets officially suck ass... 0 runs against the Nats in the middle of a pennant race. Even if they come back this is just beyond sad. Phillies will probably end up winning the NL as much as that disgusts me. Might as well buy my Dodgers cap since the Cubs are lame as hell to root for as a casual baseball fan. You tend to root for that choke job in October. Sad thing is... between the Brewers and Mets you mgiht as well have the Mets in there. They'll probably get swept even if they make it. THey really don't belong in the post season. Get rid of the wild card and go back to the three team format right now Bud...

[Spidey-Bat]

There never was a 3-team format for the playoffs. There was 2 divisions in each league: East and West.

Mets have a chance for the WC since the Brewers are a wreck. I think the Mets will make the playoffs. Philly won't win the NL. Cubs will. Even though they haven't won in 100 years, the Phillies have only won the WS once in their entire existence so they win in the futility category. Though I'm not one to give a **** about anything beyond 4 years ago.

[NewYorkSpider]

The playoff format is fine.

[Dark Donnie]

Nice win tonight by The Phillies....Lidge sure does make it interesting. :(

[Excel]

Is Howard, despite his .249 average, a mvp candidate due to his clutchness and massive hr n rbi numbers?

[Dark Donnie]

Is Howard, despite his .249 average, a mvp candidate due to his clutchness and massive hr n rbi numbers?

He's a candidate, but would only have a real shot if they won the division I think. He's been great during this stretch run.

[Spidey-Bat]

Howard winning the MVP would be a bigger joke than Rollins last year.

[Nightmare]

Hopefully the Mets wont sniff 1st the rest of the season.

[Dark Donnie]

Howard winning the MVP would be a bigger joke than Rollins last year.

Why? If a guy carries his team to the playoffs, what's not MVP about that? The guy has 21 RBI's this month.

Who else is there? Albert, C.C.(If the Brewers get it), Delgado? Albert will probably win it, but it's not crazy to call Howard a candidate at all.

[Excel]

Manny is getting talk.

Id go Albert.

[Dark Donnie]

Manny is surely another one.

[Spidey-Bat]

Why? If a guy carries his team to the playoffs, what's not MVP about that?
He has a ridiculously low OBP. His OPS+ is 117. Jose Reyes' is 121.

Who else is there? Albert, C.C.(If the Brewers get it), Delgado? Albert will probably win it, but it's not crazy to call Howard a candidate at all.
Pujols deserves it. CC and Delgado have only played in the NL for half a season.

[amazingfantasy15]

Woohoo! Cubs magic number down to four! C'mon guys win these next two games and you'll have clinched the division two years in a row for the first time in 100 years, when you won a certain something else. Also be nice to have a week without worrying about making the playoffs to make sure everyone gets some rest before the playoffs.

[amazingfantasy15]

He has a ridiculously low OBP. His OPS+ is 117. Jose Reyes' is 121.

Pujols deserves it. CC and Delgado have only played in the NL for half a season.

Pujols' team is officially eliminated from the playoff race though. Oh wait, no they do still have a small glimmer of hope of getting the Wild Card.

[Dexter M0rgan]

If any Met doesn't win MVP then it's a tragedy.

Sincerely,
Spidey-Bat

[BlackLantern]

If any Met doesn't win MVP then it's a tragedy.

Sincerely,
Spidey-Bat

as a Mets fan...no one on that team deserves any award of any kind...maybe a Golden Glove and that's about it

[fu manchu]

^ what about manager of the year?

[BlackLantern]

if the Mets don't make the post-season, then no

[fu manchu]

yeah, thats true. i think Lou Piniella will win it anyways.

[BlackLantern]

Lou shoud win it....

[Spidey-Bat]

If any Met doesn't win MVP then it's a tragedy.

Sincerely,
Spidey-Bat

Last I checked, Albert Pujols wasn't on the Mets. In fact, no one on the Mets deserves the NL MVP. The only guy I see getting an award is Carlos Beltran who will probably win the Silver Slugger and Gold Glove. Maybe Wright will win the Silver Slugger. That's it. Those awards I couldn't care less about.



I would still give Manuel the MOTY award. What adversity has Lou had to deal with? It's pretty much just been Fukudome sucking. Manuel has had 3/5 of a rotation, a Russian Roulette bullpen, and played a good chunk of the season with 2/3 of the starting OF missing.

[BlackLantern]

I was under the impression that the Silver Slugger only went to Pitchers....

[Spidey-Bat]

I was under the impression that the Silver Slugger only went to Pitchers....

Surely you can't be serious.

[BlackLantern]

maybe because it only gets a mention when a pitcher wins it...I know Hampton won it 4 times....

[fu manchu]

I would still give Manuel the MOTY award. What adversity has Lou had to deal with? It's pretty much just been Fukudome sucking. Manuel has had 3/5 of a rotation, a Russian Roulette bullpen, and played a good chunk of the season with 2/3 of the starting OF missing.

didn't soriano missed a month? and i remember Wood also missing some time. But i don't think its much about Lou dealing with alot of adversity in comparison to Manuel, but having his team being the top team in the NL for most of the season.

if Lou doesn't win it, Manuel definitely deserves it.

[amazingfantasy15]

didn't soriano missed a month? and i remember Wood also missing some time. But i don't think its much about Lou dealing with alot of adversity in comparison to Manuel, but having his team being the top team in the NL for most of the season.

if Lou doesn't win it, Manuel definitely deserves it.

Yeah, Soriano was out twice, Wood missed about a month, he's been having a lot of issues lately with Zambrano also. He's managing a great season where everybody has been producing though, I think that's a huge accomplishment, sure the team has superstars, but they aren't carrying the team They've lead their division and maybe the entire NL since mid-May and have also done it as a complete team with no one player really dominating. Hell, half the NL All-Stars were Cubs players!

[fu manchu]

exactly.

[NewYorkSpider]

If the Mets make the playoffs, then Manuel deserves it. If they don't, Lou should get it.

[Raiden]

Do you guys think Mets can stop their slump and win their division? It looks like another collapse is coming.

[BlackLantern]

I'd sooner them not make the playoffs....considering how they've played recently, they would get knocked out in their first series

[NewYorkSpider]

Their last 7 games are at home. If their offense can come around, then I believe they can win the divison. They have to split the series with the Cubs.